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The thing
inside of me, it's like...
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the appetite,
it's like a wolf that's...
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feeling...
the hunger.
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On the surface, he seems to be
a cleaned-up member of society.
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He's clean-cut, looks like
the boy next door.
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And yet, if we just dig,
not very hard,
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we figure out this is someone
who's gotten himself
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in and out of trouble.
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I think Moulton is somebody
who engages in congenial ways
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of interacting with people.
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It's what we think of
in psychopathic individuals
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as superficial charm.
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He's glib.
He's easily relatable.
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He talks to people
in a friendly way.
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And so he can pass in a very
chameleon-like way.
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He passes as somebody
who's a law-abiding,
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upstanding member of society
when we know that his history
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really doesn't support that.
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By now, he could easily have
just said, "I did this."
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"Doesn't matter why I did it.
I just did it."
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But instead, he is trying
to convince other people
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that he's not such a bad guy
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because it was
all of these other
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external influencers
that were compelling him
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to engage in this behavior.
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But he was administering
his steroids to himself.
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He was using drugs himself.
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He's just using these things
as a way of explaining away
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his behavior rather than
taking responsibility.
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It's just a tool.
It's just a tactic.
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He knows he's going to prison.
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He just wants the least amount
of time in it.
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When Moulton introduces
his son as a concept
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in this interview, he's not
being asked about his family.
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What he's doing is what we call
impression management.
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Again, as he goes right up
to the line with detectives
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about this awful,
sadistic crime he committed,
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he's backpedaling and saying,
"But I'm a nice guy."
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Like, "You can trust me.
I'm a family man."
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There's a little bit
of self-awareness there,
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like where he said,
"I had this void."
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And that is probably
a real reflection
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of what he actually feels.
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And this is something that
has been said multiple times
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about the way psychopaths feel
when they're actually willing
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to state their true feelings.
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The void is
from not feeling empathy.
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If you don't feel close
to any person,
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'cause you can't feel love,
imagine the void you would feel.
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Certainly, Moulton would not
be the first psychopath that
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conveniently found God
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as a way of helping to
just cleanse themselves
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and distance themselves
from their actions.
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It's a way of saying,
"I did this horrific thing,
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but you can't think of me
as a horrific person,"
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which is that
image manipulation.
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And if I take it and put it
behind me on my terms,
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I control the narrative,
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I control the way
this goes down,
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and I can probably even
control the consequences.
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He's talking about squeezing
the life out of Nicole,
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that she just goes limp.
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That is the one time that
he's actually being descriptive
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without prompting.
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That was the piece that
excited him the most.
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His deviancy is about
pushing life to its very limit.
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It wasn't about anger.
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It wasn't about these
crimes-of-passion moments.
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It was simply about satisfying
and gratifying his own needs
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and by taking the life
of someone else.
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When we look at the different
categories of psychopathy,
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there's always an element
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of boundary crossing
and antisociality.
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But the sexual psychopath is
a little bit different in that
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the primary boundary that
they're looking to cross
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is the sexual boundary.
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Other people can certainly
achieve their full gratification
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just through the act
of strangulation itself,
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but I think Moulton has
progressed in his deviancy
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where just doing the behavior
isn't enough.
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There's a lack of remorse
and a shallow affect.
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And this is what we're
seeing in Moulton,
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is that while on the surface
it sounds like he's
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taking responsibility
for his actions
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and he's also expressing
some very pro-social attitudes,
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you know,
"I'm concerned for them
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and the dangerous people
that are out there,"
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but if you listen closely
to what he's saying,
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he's actually blaming
the victims.
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They shouldn't be getting
into cars with strangers,
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not, "I shouldn't be out there
preying on women."
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I want people to understand
that the psychopath
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can feel fear,
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and they can feel fear similar
to those around them
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who are not psychopaths.
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They just can't read the fear
from other people.
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And so it is a feeling
that is wholly unique,
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and they're unable
to truly deal with
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and they mask it with anger
and violence, right?
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They mask it with
drugs and alcohol.
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The constant paranoia of having
to look over your shoulder.
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"Are the police gonna come
arrest me now?"
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All of these thoughts can
kind of rattle in your head,
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and maybe those things broke
containment and escaped
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their compartmentalization
to the point where now he has
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to reveal this kind of stuff.
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The importance is exactly
in the point she makes
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that he's had a decade
to think about this.
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And you don't just
develop empathy and remorse
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over slow periods of time.
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You either have it or you don't
by the time you're in your 40s.
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Empathy, conscience,
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that sort of understanding
of right versus wrong,
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and the concept of consequences
when you harm another
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human being, most children
develop before the age of five.
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So if you don't have it
by the time you're 10, 15,
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20 years old,
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you don't just wake up
one day at 40 or 41,
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pick up a religious text
and, "aha," you have it.
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The religion is nothing other
than a convenient explanation
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and a way of trying to minimize
the consequences to himself.
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For any of us,
the reasonable question is,
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why would you tell
your child this?
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It's a completely
inappropriate topic to have.
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But again, what you hear is,
he's blaming
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everyone but himself.
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He's not taking responsibility
for his actions.
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And Moulton is in many ways
a textbook narcissist.
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He's focused on himself.
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And his attempts to talk
to his son about his crimes
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are, again, about
impression management.
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He's explaining away
his behavior.
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He's not saying, "I didn't have
sex with these women."
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He's not challenging
in his own head as a parent,
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"I have a teenage son
who's coming of age,
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"and I'm communicating a lot
of messages about sex,
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sexuality, and how you treat
the opposite gender."
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But instead, he's just
making it about himself.
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