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- Other than sing in
a Broadway musical,
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I have done everything,
for better or worse.
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I started in little
movies, big movies.
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I starred in daytime soaps,
I did nighttime soaps,
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I did miniseries.
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I did Broadway,
off-Broadway, radio.
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And you come back to movies
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because when you get it right,
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it does stand alone.
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I have this belief that I've
never gotten this right.
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I either felt that
I was a useful pawn
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to a director who was
a skilled director.
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To Mike Nichols, I just
was a spatula he used
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to flip an omelet with.
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I wasn't the omelet.
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I wasn't the spinach or
the olives in the omelet,
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I was just some salt you
might have sprinkled on it.
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Or the directors were
outright obstructions
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to getting anything done.
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They were just
hideously unqualified.
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When you try to ignore
the director on the film
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and pretend he doesn't exist,
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or try to kind of
sidestep in every way,
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that's like trying to
sidestep the birth canal
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when you're coming
out of your mother,
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you know what I mean?
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It's like, how the
fuck do you do that?
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Great films with
great directors,
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that's the pinnacle.
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When I got a phone
call from my agent,
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and I was in the Tet
Offensive of my divorce,
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it was probably the
worst time of my life.
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And my phone rang, and
my agent said to me,
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he goes, "How's it going?"
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I said, "It's terrible."
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I said, "This is just a horribly
contentious and ugly day."
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And he said to me, "Well,
whatever you do," he said,
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"you go upstairs into
that conference room,"
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we were doing depositions.
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And he said, "You tell those
people that from now on,
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"they have to address
you as Juan Tripp."
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And this was his signal to me
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that Scorsese had asked me
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to do this smaller
role in the film.
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- I mean, I wish you were
up there with me, Juan,
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it was, it was exhilarating.
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- Be that as it may,
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you still have to answer
for The Spruce Goose.
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- It's called the Hercules!
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And it will fly, God dammit!
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- I certainly hope so.
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The American people deserve
something for their $13 million.
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See, people think,
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they think that
this is about money,
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and they think that
this is about fame,
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and they think
this is about ego.
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And when Scorsese
called me and asked me,
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I can't tell you
what it meant to me.
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- I want to ask
everyone in this movie,
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are you ready to die?
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Because if you're
not ready to die,
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you're not ready to live.
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And I am ready to die.
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I've been ready to
die since I was 19
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when I flipped out on
LSD for eight days.
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Making movies is the
oxygen of my being.
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It gives structure to
the chaos of my life.
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- Why do I want to
make a film with you?
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- I'm sure people have
asked you that question.
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- How could she turn
on me like that?
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I thought she liked me.
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- Can we just try to
keep our pants buttoned
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and get out of this
town in one piece?
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- I'm ready.
- Well, stay ready.
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And stay by yourself
in your room.
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- And what am I
gonna do for fun?
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- Why don't you
learn your lines?
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- I know my lines.
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- You do?
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- I just don't know
what order they come in.
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I trust you.
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But in the past,
I trusted people
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who I should not have trusted,
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like the guy that's the
dog wrangler over there.
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I should not have trusted him.
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You should fucking
whack him right now.
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- What fascinates me about
what we're going to be up to,
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and what excites me so much
is that on the one hand,
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we're doing what I regard
as not a documentary,
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not a fictional film,
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but an uncategorizable movie
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called "Seduced and Abandoned,"
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about our journey to Cannes
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to celebrate film,
and filmmaking,
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and filmmakers, and the
festival that honors them.
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And with the intention
of raising the money
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to finance this intimate
movie we're talking about
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against a big political backdrop
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without being absurdly
grandiose about it,
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our version of "Last
Tango in Paris,"
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last tango in Tikrit, for short.
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- Please give a warm welcome
to writer-director James Toback
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and a man who needs
no introduction,
actor Alec Baldwin.
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- Give me the scissors.
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- What?
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- Gimme the fingernail scissors.
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- But what do you see in Last
Tango that resonates for you
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that you want to
try to mine again
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in a film potentially
we would do?
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Ideally it would be
our analogous attempt to erase
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the line between
role player and role
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to create something bold
and dark from you for you.
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- I want you to put
your fingers up my ass.
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- What?
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- Put your fingers up
my ass, are you deaf?
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Go on.
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I'm gonna get a pig and I'm
gonna have the pig fuck you.
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And I want to pig to
vomit in your face
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and I want you to
swallow the vomit.
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You gonna do that for me?
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- Yeah.
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- Huh?
- Yeah.
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- I want the pig to die
while you're fucking,
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and then you have
to go behind him,
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I want you to smell the
dying farts of the pig.
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Are you gonna do
all of that for me?
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- Yes and more than that.
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And worse than before.
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- Clearly here, what Brando
did was become Brando
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when he was doing those scenes.
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One of the master strokes
in the history of directors
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directing actors was Bertolucci
getting this out of Brando.
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- You have pointed the
way better than anyone,
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which is to create a character
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which is this close to myself.
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And whether you have the
framework of a script,
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it's improvisatory in one way,
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but what has to happen
is it's this battery.
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And you have to have
that other woman.
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And as I said to you,
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I can put my finger on
why, but to some extent,
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what's wonderful is I
can't put my finger on why
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we have the right woman.
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Once I met you, I said to him,
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there's nobody else we
want to do this with.
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- My experience with Jim was
just, it was exploration.
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There weren't limitations.
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It was about finding
things, on the day even.
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- But here's my question,
it's gonna be difficult
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to get 20, $25 million
in Cannes for this movie.
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- Especially without
us bringing down.
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- That's right, exactly.
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So what...
- It is?
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What?
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You didn't tell me that.
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- I just wished to fuck were
coming with us, I really do.
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I mean, what fun that would
be apart from everything else.
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But we will be faithful to you
in trying to cast the movie
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and raise money with the
absolute given that either
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it's you or it's no movie.
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We will not give in
when somebody says,
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you have a movie,
as long as you use.
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- Oh my God,
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Claudia Cardinale and
Marcello Mastroianni.
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So how does it feel
to be an hour away
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from losing your Cannes
film festival virginity?
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I'm already excited about losing
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my French Riviera virginity.
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You've been all over the world
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and you've never
been to the Riviera?
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Never.
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And now that I see
it, I may never leave.
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What would you say
distinguishes Cannes
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from the other hundred
or so film festivals
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around the world?
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Two things, first, it's history.
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Not just in years, but in
the range of who's come
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with movies they've made
over the last six decades.
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Practically everyone from
practically everywhere,
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Hitchcock, Bardot, Welles,
Cocteau, Moreau, Kiarostami,
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Groucho Marx, Gregory Peck,
Wong Kar-Wai, Gary Cooper,
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Beatty, Mizoguchi,
Loren, Mickey Rourke.
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- And second?
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- The fact that it's a
market for buying and selling
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and for finding financing,
as we're gonna do,
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as well as a celebration
of film as art.
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Sort of like a split
personality festival,
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like the split personality
movie we're making about it
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even as we speak.
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We've set some meetings with all
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the major foreign sales
guys over the next week,
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as well as with
several billionaires,
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at least one of whom
I'm assuming will beg us
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to allow him to
give us his cash.
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On his knees, I hope.
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But first, we're
gonna see Bertolucci,
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then we go to the opening
ceremony and we've got a slew
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of other luminaries
we'll be seeing mixed in
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with our quest for cash.
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- First of all, Natalie,
Bernardo's assistant,
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is gonna come down
and see us here now.
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Now she is recommending that
we do the interview here
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in the Carlton Hotel.
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- In a suite or on the table?
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- We could do, probably
we could do either,
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but I would recommend
it in a suite.
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- Let's have him
do it in my room.
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Let's have him come rolling
into the Bertolucci Suite.
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- That's a great idea.
- And just then I'll say
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to him, I beg your
pardon, my lord,
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but you're in my room.
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- I think that we
got a movie in...
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- I was told I was being
evicted because you are
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taking this room from me.
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I was told this...
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- They take off your
name and they put mine.
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- It's interchangeable.
- This peels off.
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- The sexual dialogue
feels as if it's coming
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not just improvisationally,
but from him.
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- It is a kind of manipulation.
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He did all the text
that existed before.
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For example, when
he's next to the,
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he goes to the dead wife.
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I was starting with a
line from Strindberg.
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- I might be able to
comprehend the universe, but,
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I'll never discover the
truth about you, never.
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- He starts with that and then
he took that and he started
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to say, you big fucking liar.
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And he goes on with this.
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- You cheap God damn
fucking God forsaken whore,
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I hope you'll rot in hell.
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You're worse than the
dirtiest street pig
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that anybody could
ever find anywhere.
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And you know why, you know why?
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Because you lied.
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You lied to me and I
trusted you, you lied.
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- You know, it starts with
something which is written
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and then he changed
it completely but
he makes it his own.
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- Did he feel grateful that
he had a chance to do that?
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- He didn't speak to
me for five years.
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I was calling him, I was saying,
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Marlon, I know you're there.
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Why do you
think he did that, why?
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- Maybe he felt betrayed
by me because I stole
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from him so many sincere
things of himself.
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So many real,
- The real Marlon.
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- Real things of him.
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Maybe he felt tricked
by me, but I said,
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but he was a 49-, 50-years-old
man, I was 30, 31.
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- When I came first
time, I slept in my car,
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and from Jeune it was easy.
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So I came in car,
I was a student
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and I just didn't know how
to be able to watch a film.
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But I was here.
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- In 1970, when I came
here the first time,
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there were exactly three
American journalists in Cannes.
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It was very rare.
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- People here from the
first coffee in the morning
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'til the last whiskey in the
night, they talk about film.
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- You know, here is a
really amazing combination
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of the high art of cinema,
there's a reverence for it here.
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There's a respect
for it, I mean,
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the whole tradition of how
they receive movies here
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and how they honor
the filmmakers here,
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it's just, it's not like
anywhere else in the world.
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- I was very young, I was 24.
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And "Before the
Revolution," my second film,
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I was invited to La Semaine
de la Critique and here we go.
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And the movie is seen, and
all Italian critics hate it.
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And all the French loved it.
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So I decided to become French.
- French, yeah.
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- You've had in
France for decades,
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this very entrenched divide
between Cahiers du Cinema
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and Positif, Cahiers
du Cinema is famous
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for in the late '50s
having had, as writers,
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all of the filmmakers
who went on to become
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the French new wave.
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They were at the time
huge enthusiasts of a lot
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of American genre films, like
Sam Fuller, and Nicholas Ray,
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sort of B cinema that
hadn't really gotten
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its due in America.
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And very against what
Truffaut famously called
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the Cinema de Papa,
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the sort of French
tradition of quality movies.
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- When the French and the
Italian new wave films started,
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I mean, we always heard about
the Cannes Film Festival,
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the Cannes Film
Festival, and so it was
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like a Valhalla of
cinema in a way.
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This was the place.
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- And I never missed a festival.
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It's kind of adrenaline for me.
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It's where you plan
almost the whole year.
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You see in 10 days, about half
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of the important
films of the year.
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So it's essential.
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- Le Film Francais runs
a daily guide as to what,
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a checklist of what
the critics thought.
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And if you go down the
list looking at Positif
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and Cahiers, they're
99% opposite.
300
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And it's almost like they
consult each other ahead of time
301
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to make sure that
they're not gonna agree
302
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because they almost never do.
303
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- Thank you very
much for doing this.
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My great pleasure to see you.
305
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- Thank you.
- Thank you.
306
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I was invited to
the festival to participate
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in the jury in famous '68,
was Francois Truffaut ran,
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and he said you must
come right away.
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We are gathering here to
support our Henri Langlois,
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to have him reinstated
into the cinematic.
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He was men adored by
youth, me included.
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But he was a very messy
director of this cinematic.
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He kept some copies of
some movies under his bed.
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Langlois was an icon,
I loved Henri Langlois.
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But he was not what
the government of
that period wanted.
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And that started an unrest
among the students in Paris.
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And it spread out
and finally became
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the whole May '68 revolution
or whatever you call it.
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When I came, I realized they
wanted to disrupt the festival.
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They said that this
thing has to be stopped.
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I remember Godard
shouting cameras, cameras,
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the students from Nice
are just arriving.
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Festival, as the word
suggests, is to have fun.
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So they were in this mood
and stopping festival
325
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couldn't change it, in fact,
326
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added a kind of
absurd joy to it all.
327
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- When "Mean Streets" was
there, it was a real joy.
328
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And I went there and
I had a great time.
329
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We had the Carlton terrace.
330
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You'd be meeting all these
different people, all kinds of,
331
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you know it's like, and
all these interviews,
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talk, talk, talk to
everybody, me, me, me, etc.
333
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- I came back with
when "Novecento," 1900,
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which was very difficult to
handle because it was five hour,
335
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little bit more than five hours.
336
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They said, okay, we do one day
all dedicated to this film.
337
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So the festival stopped.
338
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There was only "Novecento",
the first part in the afternoon
339
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and the second part
in the evening.
340
00:19:10,106 --> 00:19:14,903
That was the peak
of my megalomania.
341
00:19:14,945 --> 00:19:17,572
If I see the movie again
or a piece of the movie,
342
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I can see myself in the
kind of ocean of pleasure
343
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of one year shooting.
344
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I was young, I was desiring,
345
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and I was seeing my
desires accomplished.
346
00:19:33,129 --> 00:19:37,342
- We went there for two days,
it was DeNiro, Jodie Foster,
347
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I think Harvey was with us.
348
00:19:38,635 --> 00:19:39,904
Tennessee Williams was
the head of the jury.
349
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He came out, he said he
didn't like the picture,
350
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it was too violent
351
00:19:42,639 --> 00:19:45,767
But we had dinner with
Sergio Leone and Costa Gavras
352
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and they liked the film very
much, they were on the jury.
353
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And so we had a nice dinner at
Lo Acis, it was a restaurant,
354
00:19:50,188 --> 00:19:54,151
and we all talked to Leone
and Costa, it was terrific,
355
00:19:54,192 --> 00:19:56,486
and we thanked them very
much, and we went home.
356
00:19:56,528 --> 00:20:00,282
And the picture won.
357
00:20:00,323 --> 00:20:01,992
Fuck Tennessee Williams.
358
00:20:02,033 --> 00:20:03,678
- I mean, what's the matter
with Tenn, it's too violent?
359
00:20:03,702 --> 00:20:04,578
What the fuck
does he know about movies?
360
00:20:04,619 --> 00:20:05,829
- I love his stuff. I never,
361
00:20:05,871 --> 00:20:07,711
I only say good things
about him, I don't know.
362
00:20:09,541 --> 00:20:13,670
♪ Well you never can tell,
but you're looking so well ♪
363
00:20:13,712 --> 00:20:15,312
- When I was a kid
and we went to Cannes,
364
00:20:15,338 --> 00:20:17,340
I had done a film called
"You're a Big Boy Now."
365
00:20:17,382 --> 00:20:21,720
It was just with Elizabeth
Hartman, who was a wonderful,
366
00:20:21,761 --> 00:20:26,516
wonderful young woman, and
Tony Bill, when he was a kid,
367
00:20:26,558 --> 00:20:28,018
it was a dream.
368
00:20:28,059 --> 00:20:30,645
And then little by little it
started to just become mean
369
00:20:30,687 --> 00:20:33,356
and it wasn't any
more a film festival,
370
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it was a film market.
371
00:20:34,858 --> 00:20:37,861
It was one in which all
the people were in the know
372
00:20:37,903 --> 00:20:41,698
and they knew whether your
movie was gonna go good or not,
373
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even before you did.
374
00:20:43,408 --> 00:20:46,495
And it became very
mean spirited, I felt.
375
00:20:46,536 --> 00:20:48,264
And you never had to
avail yourself of that market
376
00:20:48,288 --> 00:20:50,207
to raise money for...
- No, and I never wanted
377
00:20:50,248 --> 00:20:52,083
to go back to it again.
- And you didn't?
378
00:20:52,125 --> 00:20:53,502
- I didn't.
379
00:20:53,543 --> 00:20:55,629
It's not the administrators
of Cannes's fault.
380
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It's the people it attracts,
381
00:21:00,133 --> 00:21:01,927
the press that is
attracted there.
382
00:21:01,968 --> 00:21:04,304
It's the game, it's
like a bullfight.
383
00:21:04,346 --> 00:21:08,099
- It was after, at the end
of the 1977 film festival,
384
00:21:08,141 --> 00:21:10,644
when Robert Altman's film
"Three Women" was here,
385
00:21:10,685 --> 00:21:13,271
Pauline Kael was on the
jury, was the only time
386
00:21:13,313 --> 00:21:15,649
she ever came to the
Cannes Film Festival.
387
00:21:15,690 --> 00:21:18,401
The film won the
best actress award,
388
00:21:18,443 --> 00:21:20,946
but didn't get
anything for Altman.
389
00:21:20,987 --> 00:21:23,907
I was at the Nice airport the
day after the festival ended.
390
00:21:23,949 --> 00:21:27,077
Pauline is there,
Altman shows up,
391
00:21:27,118 --> 00:21:32,123
sees Pauline, and his great
friend for seven years,
392
00:21:33,583 --> 00:21:35,269
you fucking cunt, you were
supposed to like my film,
393
00:21:35,293 --> 00:21:38,004
you're supposed to
be my supporter and
you didn't like it,
394
00:21:38,046 --> 00:21:40,024
you didn't get me an award,
blah, blah, blah, blah.
395
00:21:40,048 --> 00:21:42,509
In front of everyone, it
was a massive explosion
396
00:21:42,551 --> 00:21:43,844
that was excruciating.
397
00:21:45,262 --> 00:21:46,805
- Talk to me about Damon.
398
00:21:46,847 --> 00:21:51,726
- He's a legendary figure in
this world of film finance.
399
00:21:53,019 --> 00:21:53,520
- Truly, you use that
wording specifically?
400
00:21:53,562 --> 00:21:54,688
- I do.
401
00:21:54,729 --> 00:21:56,565
He's really the pioneer.
- Legendary how?
402
00:21:56,606 --> 00:21:57,566
What did he pioneer?
403
00:21:57,607 --> 00:22:00,318
- The process of foreign sales
404
00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:05,365
where you get a movie
financed based on cast names
405
00:22:06,658 --> 00:22:08,535
with a projection of what...
- For pre-sale.
406
00:22:08,577 --> 00:22:09,786
- That's right.
407
00:22:09,828 --> 00:22:11,348
- Show 'em a business
plan that'll work
408
00:22:12,622 --> 00:22:17,252
and if I can project what my
sales will be and I can show
409
00:22:18,753 --> 00:22:20,773
them what I think the US should
be, if I can project that
410
00:22:20,797 --> 00:22:22,883
they'll get their
monies back in a profit,
411
00:22:22,924 --> 00:22:25,427
I can probably finance any
picture that I want to.
412
00:22:27,012 --> 00:22:29,806
I just finished funding
an $80 million picture
413
00:22:29,848 --> 00:22:33,101
with Denzel Washington
and Mark Wahlberg.
414
00:22:33,143 --> 00:22:34,287
- Where's the money
coming from now?
415
00:22:34,311 --> 00:22:35,937
Where do you go get money now?
416
00:22:35,979 --> 00:22:37,623
Different parts of the
world, different kind of...?
417
00:22:37,647 --> 00:22:39,107
- It comes from
all over, all over.
418
00:22:40,609 --> 00:22:43,612
My next picture, I have
some Saudi Arabian money
419
00:22:43,653 --> 00:22:45,780
and some Russian money.
420
00:22:45,822 --> 00:22:48,241
- Is there more money
available now than,
421
00:22:48,283 --> 00:22:51,495
proportionately, allowing
for inflation or less money?
422
00:22:51,536 --> 00:22:52,954
- I'd say less money.
423
00:22:52,996 --> 00:22:54,915
- Do me a favor, 'cause
I'm gonna go text,
424
00:22:54,956 --> 00:22:57,018
'cause we have to let them
know that we're running behind,
425
00:22:57,042 --> 00:22:59,294
bear with me, I'll
be right back.
426
00:22:59,336 --> 00:23:02,255
- I would like to ask you,
427
00:23:02,297 --> 00:23:04,132
I have Alec for this next film.
428
00:23:04,174 --> 00:23:07,177
It's a political
romantic adventure.
429
00:23:07,219 --> 00:23:09,054
We're gonna be shooting
in the Middle East.
430
00:23:09,095 --> 00:23:11,723
Would you be interested in
getting involved financing
431
00:23:11,765 --> 00:23:13,391
a movie with Alec,
with Neve Campbell,
432
00:23:13,433 --> 00:23:15,352
with four, three or
four other names,
433
00:23:15,393 --> 00:23:19,314
political, romantic adventure
at 15 to 20 million?
434
00:23:19,356 --> 00:23:24,152
- Neve Campbell is wonderful
435
00:23:25,278 --> 00:23:28,990
but doesn't have
marquee value today.
436
00:23:29,032 --> 00:23:30,158
Right, right.
437
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,536
- Alec Baldwin is sensational.
- Right.
438
00:23:33,787 --> 00:23:38,458
- But does not denote
a theatrical movie.
439
00:23:39,334 --> 00:23:40,585
- Just for argument's sake,
440
00:23:40,627 --> 00:23:41,586
the kind of movie
we're thinking of
441
00:23:41,628 --> 00:23:42,855
couldn't go much
lower than that.
442
00:23:42,879 --> 00:23:45,423
But what would be the
number that that cast
443
00:23:45,465 --> 00:23:47,300
would be feasible at?
444
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:54,808
- Four to five million.
445
00:23:56,685 --> 00:23:58,329
- I'm too old for that,
you know, it's like.
446
00:23:58,353 --> 00:24:01,106
- No kidding.
- Yeah, I don't have the,
447
00:24:01,148 --> 00:24:03,066
- It's horrendous.
- It is horrendous.
448
00:24:03,108 --> 00:24:06,319
- It's either very, very
big or very, very small.
449
00:24:06,361 --> 00:24:07,279
There's nothing in between.
450
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:08,572
- There's never enough money.
451
00:24:08,613 --> 00:24:10,133
- Never enough money.
- Never enough money.
452
00:24:10,157 --> 00:24:11,592
Fighting with them,
perhaps about money or no.
453
00:24:11,616 --> 00:24:14,077
- Never enough money,
with "Repulsion,"
454
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,329
I had lot of problems
shooting the film
455
00:24:16,371 --> 00:24:20,584
because we doubled the
budget, unfortunately.
456
00:24:20,625 --> 00:24:24,796
The budget of "Repulsion"
was 41,000 pounds
457
00:24:27,716 --> 00:24:32,053
and it cost at the
end close to 90.
458
00:24:32,095 --> 00:24:33,889
- Why?
- Well, try to make a film
459
00:24:33,930 --> 00:24:36,850
for 90,000 pounds.
460
00:24:36,892 --> 00:24:39,728
- I happen to have an
Australian distributor
461
00:24:39,769 --> 00:24:41,146
and a Russian distributor.
462
00:24:41,188 --> 00:24:43,231
- These look like two
gentlemen who've been waiting
463
00:24:43,273 --> 00:24:44,733
to give me money.
464
00:24:44,774 --> 00:24:47,569
There's politics, there's
adventure, there's sex.
465
00:24:47,611 --> 00:24:49,237
- It's supposed to be comedy?
466
00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:50,405
- And there Will def...
467
00:24:50,447 --> 00:24:51,865
- No, no, no, no.
- No comedy.
468
00:24:51,907 --> 00:24:54,034
- There will be humor
built into a serious movie.
469
00:24:54,075 --> 00:24:55,368
- It needs to be comedy.
470
00:24:55,410 --> 00:24:56,286
- Oh, you think so?
471
00:24:56,328 --> 00:24:57,412
- Of course.
- Okay.
472
00:24:57,454 --> 00:24:58,830
- Why are you wearing a tux?
473
00:25:00,415 --> 00:25:02,667
- It's after six,
what am I, a farmer?
474
00:25:03,627 --> 00:25:05,587
- I'm familiar with "30 Rock."
475
00:25:05,629 --> 00:25:10,634
- But here's the thing,
submarines are your thing.
476
00:25:13,345 --> 00:25:14,805
How close is that alpha, Jonesy?
477
00:25:14,846 --> 00:25:16,807
- 1,000 yards.
- It's been a long time
478
00:25:16,848 --> 00:25:18,308
since you did the
submarine picture.
479
00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:20,435
We need action and
we need submarine.
480
00:25:20,477 --> 00:25:22,062
Listen, you can
have sex, as well.
481
00:25:22,103 --> 00:25:23,396
I don't have a problem.
482
00:25:23,438 --> 00:25:24,957
That's what was missing
in the other one.
483
00:25:24,981 --> 00:25:26,650
- Last tango in the missile bay.
484
00:25:26,691 --> 00:25:28,318
- Well, absolutely.
485
00:25:31,196 --> 00:25:34,825
- Unless it's a gangster
movie or some genre
486
00:25:34,866 --> 00:25:37,744
that you're associated
with, unless you do that,
487
00:25:37,786 --> 00:25:39,329
you have to scratch, I said,
488
00:25:39,371 --> 00:25:40,914
how am I gonna get
to make this movie?
489
00:25:40,956 --> 00:25:42,916
I don't know where to begin,
490
00:25:42,958 --> 00:25:44,709
Who's gonna let,
no one wanted me
491
00:25:44,751 --> 00:25:46,628
to do "Apocalypse Now."
492
00:25:46,670 --> 00:25:50,173
I had finished two Godfather
films, won a ton of Oscars.
493
00:25:50,215 --> 00:25:52,467
In fact, I took the
Oscars, I had six of them
494
00:25:52,509 --> 00:25:54,803
and I threw 'em out
the window and they all
495
00:25:54,845 --> 00:25:56,847
went down and got all
broken and everything.
496
00:25:56,888 --> 00:25:59,224
And my mother went and
said you shouldn't do that.
497
00:25:59,266 --> 00:26:02,519
And she gathered the
pieces of the objects,
498
00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:04,521
- The shards.
- And she went down
499
00:26:04,563 --> 00:26:08,400
to LA and she went to
the Academy and she said,
500
00:26:08,441 --> 00:26:10,819
oh my son, the poor
boy, says the maid
501
00:26:10,861 --> 00:26:12,696
was dusting the Oscars.
502
00:26:12,737 --> 00:26:14,531
So I was so frustrated.
503
00:26:14,573 --> 00:26:17,075
I said, what do you
have to do to get
504
00:26:17,117 --> 00:26:20,745
to be able to make the movies
that you have in your heart?
505
00:26:20,787 --> 00:26:23,415
- Can we help 'em
out with the actress,
506
00:26:23,456 --> 00:26:25,917
a hot new star,
Jessica Chastain?
507
00:26:25,959 --> 00:26:28,211
- Listen, here's my feeling,
'cause I don't want to throw
508
00:26:28,253 --> 00:26:31,214
Neve under the bus, I love
Neve, I did a movie with her.
509
00:26:31,256 --> 00:26:35,093
What I could do is invent a
role for Neve, another role.
510
00:26:35,135 --> 00:26:37,304
- Have her play the spy.
- And we can,
511
00:26:37,345 --> 00:26:39,055
yes, we can use Jessica.
512
00:26:39,097 --> 00:26:40,348
- So we kill Neve.
513
00:26:41,516 --> 00:26:42,434
- We don't kill
her, we wound her,
514
00:26:42,476 --> 00:26:43,661
we wound her and she makes it...
515
00:26:43,685 --> 00:26:45,604
- I seduce Neve and
then I murder her.
516
00:26:45,645 --> 00:26:46,771
- Her arm in a sling.
517
00:26:46,813 --> 00:26:48,398
- Neve's in the movie
and I'll kill her.
518
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:49,399
We'll murder Neve.
- Which will make you
519
00:26:49,441 --> 00:26:50,692
an action star.
- Yeah.
520
00:26:52,777 --> 00:26:54,654
So what do you make
of the odds of Damon
521
00:26:54,696 --> 00:26:56,114
coming through for us?
522
00:26:56,156 --> 00:26:58,116
- Two to one against.
- Really?
523
00:26:58,158 --> 00:27:00,452
I say six to one against.
524
00:27:00,494 --> 00:27:02,204
Well, even if you're right,
525
00:27:02,245 --> 00:27:04,956
don't worry 'cause we're
meeting Avi Lerner tomorrow
526
00:27:04,998 --> 00:27:06,350
and he's gotten
more stuff shooting
527
00:27:06,374 --> 00:27:08,293
than all the other
sales guys combined.
528
00:27:09,461 --> 00:27:12,923
- The way you make
it in this business
529
00:27:12,964 --> 00:27:15,842
is you have to become a
really selfish motherfucker.
530
00:27:15,884 --> 00:27:17,803
You gotta, this is it,
531
00:27:17,844 --> 00:27:20,889
and you tell your mother,
and your wife, and your kids,
532
00:27:20,931 --> 00:27:24,518
and everybody, when necessary,
you don't do it gratuitously,
533
00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:26,978
you don't do it purposelessly,
534
00:27:28,271 --> 00:27:30,482
but you tell everybody
that this is my thing,
535
00:27:30,524 --> 00:27:31,691
this is who I am.
536
00:27:33,443 --> 00:27:38,240
And along the way I was
incapable of doing that.
537
00:27:41,910 --> 00:27:43,012
- And here is Alec Baldwin.
- What are you doing
538
00:27:43,036 --> 00:27:44,913
in Cannes?
- We're making a film.
539
00:27:44,955 --> 00:27:45,997
- You are?
- Yeah.
540
00:27:46,039 --> 00:27:47,415
- During the festival?
- Yes,
541
00:27:47,457 --> 00:27:50,126
we're making a documentary
that the festival
542
00:27:50,168 --> 00:27:52,087
is a backdrop of the film.
543
00:27:52,128 --> 00:27:53,839
- What's happening in it?
544
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,217
- Well, everything you see,
the film is about the festival.
545
00:27:57,259 --> 00:27:58,426
- Is it a documentary?
546
00:27:58,468 --> 00:28:00,971
- No, my partner Jimmy
Toback is the director.
547
00:28:01,012 --> 00:28:01,972
- James Toback?
- Yes.
548
00:28:02,013 --> 00:28:03,473
- The James Toback?
- Yes,
549
00:28:03,515 --> 00:28:05,600
excuse me one second here,
let's go, be careful.
550
00:28:05,642 --> 00:28:06,601
I don't want her in the street.
551
00:28:06,643 --> 00:28:07,811
- Let's be careful.
552
00:28:07,853 --> 00:28:09,938
What do you expect
from this festival?
553
00:28:09,980 --> 00:28:13,817
- This is my first time
here, so I'm very excited.
554
00:28:13,859 --> 00:28:14,919
I'm very excited.
- Thank you very much.
555
00:28:14,943 --> 00:28:16,111
Thank you, Alec Baldwin.
556
00:28:18,029 --> 00:28:20,323
- Is the film about the
Cannes Film Festival?
557
00:28:20,365 --> 00:28:21,759
The reason I wanted
to do this with him
558
00:28:21,783 --> 00:28:23,910
is that the movie business,
to me, has changed.
559
00:28:23,952 --> 00:28:25,620
It seems very fragile.
560
00:28:25,662 --> 00:28:28,206
I don't know how much longer
the film business can go
561
00:28:28,248 --> 00:28:30,208
in the age of this splintering.
562
00:28:30,250 --> 00:28:32,627
The technology is
splintering the audience
563
00:28:32,669 --> 00:28:34,004
and it's happening slowly,
564
00:28:34,045 --> 00:28:36,965
but something tells
me it's gonna shatter.
565
00:28:37,007 --> 00:28:39,026
The movie business is the
worst lover you've ever had
566
00:28:39,050 --> 00:28:43,722
in terms of you go back
again and again and again,
567
00:28:45,182 --> 00:28:47,726
and you go back seeking to
recreate this experience
568
00:28:47,767 --> 00:28:48,852
you want to have.
569
00:28:48,894 --> 00:28:51,730
You go back with another chance
570
00:28:51,771 --> 00:28:55,400
to do something that you
want to do in movie making
571
00:28:55,442 --> 00:28:56,442
and movie going.
572
00:28:57,777 --> 00:29:00,405
You are seduced and abandoned
over and over and over again.
573
00:29:04,868 --> 00:29:06,161
- Why were you making films?
574
00:29:06,203 --> 00:29:08,872
What did it give you as opposed
575
00:29:08,914 --> 00:29:10,707
to other options in your life?
576
00:29:10,749 --> 00:29:12,143
- I don't think I
had much of a choice.
577
00:29:12,167 --> 00:29:14,836
The other option was
certainly a religious one,
578
00:29:14,878 --> 00:29:16,588
which was the priesthood.
579
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:18,423
And I certainly wasn't,
580
00:29:18,465 --> 00:29:19,925
- Literally?
- Yeah.
581
00:29:19,966 --> 00:29:21,444
Literally I was in a
preparatory seminary
582
00:29:21,468 --> 00:29:23,428
and I didn't make it
through the first year.
583
00:29:23,470 --> 00:29:25,305
Between the world I was in,
584
00:29:25,347 --> 00:29:28,809
which was the asthmatic
situation where the parents,
585
00:29:28,850 --> 00:29:31,645
my working class family, the
doctor said, don't let him run,
586
00:29:31,686 --> 00:29:33,414
I didn't run, don't let
him laugh, don't let him,
587
00:29:33,438 --> 00:29:34,731
I couldn't laugh, don't do this,
588
00:29:34,773 --> 00:29:36,817
don't do, so I was in a room.
589
00:29:36,858 --> 00:29:38,902
You started
as an assistant director
590
00:29:38,944 --> 00:29:40,612
to Pasolini, right?
591
00:29:40,654 --> 00:29:44,282
- Pasolini was before being
a director, was a poet,
592
00:29:44,324 --> 00:29:45,867
a great poet.
593
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:48,161
Then he came to live
in the same building
594
00:29:48,203 --> 00:29:49,412
my family was living.
595
00:29:49,454 --> 00:29:52,541
I was 17 and I was in
love with his poems.
596
00:29:53,875 --> 00:29:57,254
I was writing poems,
I was writing a poem,
597
00:29:57,295 --> 00:29:59,506
and running downstairs
to show him.
598
00:29:59,548 --> 00:30:02,342
Then one day when I was 27,
599
00:30:02,384 --> 00:30:05,846
so I will do a movie soon,
you will be my assistant.
600
00:30:07,722 --> 00:30:10,016
I said, Pier Paolo,
I've never done a movie,
601
00:30:10,058 --> 00:30:13,061
I've never done anything,
I've never been on a set.
602
00:30:13,103 --> 00:30:14,563
Me neither, he said.
603
00:30:14,604 --> 00:30:17,482
- I found a kind
of peace in a way,
604
00:30:17,524 --> 00:30:20,235
in the cathedral there, the
old St. Patrick's Cathedral
605
00:30:20,277 --> 00:30:23,238
as an altar boy, and just as a
kid I enjoyed being in there.
606
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,533
And it was a respite from the
streets and from the Bowery,
607
00:30:26,575 --> 00:30:28,618
which was very, very ugly,
608
00:30:28,660 --> 00:30:32,289
ugly, and crude, and
unfortunate, tragic,
609
00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:37,335
and what's the word, sordid,
what was going on around me.
610
00:30:38,503 --> 00:30:40,046
But then you had
this movie theater
611
00:30:40,088 --> 00:30:41,590
and that was like America.
612
00:30:41,631 --> 00:30:43,276
There was something about
this place called America
613
00:30:43,300 --> 00:30:46,219
was out there and there were
people, they had houses,
614
00:30:46,261 --> 00:30:47,554
they had fences,
I'm not kidding.
615
00:30:47,596 --> 00:30:49,764
I mean, then there
were westerns.
616
00:30:49,806 --> 00:30:51,475
You could, oh man,
you go and you see,
617
00:30:51,516 --> 00:30:54,478
you weren't in like a hallway,
you were in like this.
618
00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:58,482
- But these were the
hard times, as you know,
619
00:30:58,523 --> 00:31:01,067
probably needless to
talk about the Communist,
620
00:31:01,109 --> 00:31:03,570
Stalinist period of Poland.
621
00:31:03,612 --> 00:31:06,114
As with everything that
I said, the advantages,
622
00:31:06,156 --> 00:31:08,450
and one of them was film school
623
00:31:08,492 --> 00:31:13,246
due to one line of
Lenin, among all arts,
624
00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:18,627
film is the most important
for us, us meaning socialism.
625
00:31:19,794 --> 00:31:22,297
That school was
fantastic, really,
626
00:31:22,339 --> 00:31:24,341
and I have great memories.
627
00:31:24,382 --> 00:31:27,803
- When I was a young guy, I
was a writer for Seven Arts.
628
00:31:27,844 --> 00:31:31,306
And Seven Arts was a company
that bought Warner Brothers
629
00:31:31,348 --> 00:31:34,226
from Warner, so I
was so enthusiastic
that they had bought
630
00:31:34,267 --> 00:31:36,061
Warner Brothers that
I just showed up
631
00:31:36,102 --> 00:31:38,021
on the Warner Brothers
lot and everyone thought
632
00:31:38,063 --> 00:31:40,357
I was the new taking-over guy.
633
00:31:40,398 --> 00:31:43,902
So I went and I went to
Errol Flynn's dressing room,
634
00:31:43,944 --> 00:31:45,654
which was the greatest one,
635
00:31:45,695 --> 00:31:48,073
and I just took it
over as my office.
636
00:31:48,114 --> 00:31:49,616
It was a month
before they realized
637
00:31:49,658 --> 00:31:51,743
I wasn't the
incoming management.
638
00:31:53,203 --> 00:31:57,082
- I loved sailing then in the
most beautiful part of Poland,
639
00:31:57,123 --> 00:31:58,583
which is called Masurian,
640
00:31:58,625 --> 00:32:02,254
which has about 200
lakes somehow connecting.
641
00:32:03,296 --> 00:32:06,258
And I love that part of nature.
642
00:32:06,299 --> 00:32:07,884
That was a dream for me.
643
00:32:07,926 --> 00:32:11,471
So I started writing a
little thing on that.
644
00:32:30,115 --> 00:32:32,868
It was very badly
received in Poland,
645
00:32:32,909 --> 00:32:35,245
particularly by the party.
646
00:32:35,287 --> 00:32:37,455
The head of the party, Gomulka,
647
00:32:37,497 --> 00:32:42,502
was pissed off and threw
the ashtray at the screen.
648
00:32:43,670 --> 00:32:47,632
I went to Paris
to try in the West
649
00:32:47,674 --> 00:32:51,303
and that was my dream anyway.
650
00:32:51,344 --> 00:32:54,848
I never wanted to
stay put in Poland.
651
00:32:54,890 --> 00:32:57,184
- By the time we were
able to say to myself,
652
00:32:57,225 --> 00:32:58,685
I might be able
to express myself,
653
00:32:58,727 --> 00:33:00,204
telling a story of the
stories that I know
654
00:33:00,228 --> 00:33:01,688
that I heard my father tell,
655
00:33:01,730 --> 00:33:03,541
that I see what goes on
with my father and my uncle,
656
00:33:03,565 --> 00:33:05,317
that became "Mean
Streets" in actuality,
657
00:33:05,358 --> 00:33:06,651
that goes on with my friends.
658
00:33:06,693 --> 00:33:08,004
- That was your first story.
- Yeah, that was
659
00:33:08,028 --> 00:33:09,988
the first one, but
it's always about
660
00:33:10,030 --> 00:33:11,990
obligation to the brother.
661
00:33:12,032 --> 00:33:14,075
That's what I've discovered
after 35, 40 years,
662
00:33:14,117 --> 00:33:15,911
it's the same picture.
663
00:33:15,952 --> 00:33:17,913
It's about my father
and his brother.
664
00:33:17,954 --> 00:33:19,748
- What was his obligation
to his brother?
665
00:33:19,789 --> 00:33:21,541
- To make sure he
didn't get killed.
666
00:33:22,959 --> 00:33:24,628
- Literally.
- Pay the debts,
667
00:33:24,669 --> 00:33:28,048
sign the loans, go
to the sit downs.
668
00:33:28,089 --> 00:33:29,883
He was just one of those guys.
669
00:33:29,925 --> 00:33:33,428
- Look, on payday,
at least show up
670
00:33:33,470 --> 00:33:35,138
at Tony's place
to meet him, okay.
671
00:33:35,180 --> 00:33:36,616
This way he doesn't
think that you're trying
672
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,225
to make a jerkoff out of him.
673
00:33:38,266 --> 00:33:39,476
- Yeah, all right.
674
00:33:39,518 --> 00:33:41,770
- Hey, I'm not asking
you, I'm telling you.
675
00:33:41,812 --> 00:33:42,938
- Yeah.
676
00:33:42,979 --> 00:33:45,315
- Bob Evans saw my films.
677
00:33:45,357 --> 00:33:47,901
- So Bob Evans is your rabbi.
- Yeah, Bob Evans
678
00:33:47,943 --> 00:33:49,319
was my rabbi and he called me
679
00:33:49,361 --> 00:33:52,322
and he said that
he has a script.
680
00:33:52,364 --> 00:33:56,910
So I came to the studio and
he had the script and he said,
681
00:33:56,952 --> 00:33:59,162
wait, but also I have this
682
00:33:59,204 --> 00:34:03,458
and he had galleys
of "Rosemary's Baby."
683
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,294
- What have you done to it?
684
00:34:07,546 --> 00:34:09,506
What have you done to its eyes?
685
00:34:09,548 --> 00:34:11,299
- He has his father's eyes.
686
00:34:12,717 --> 00:34:14,153
- When I finally went to
Washington Square College,
687
00:34:14,177 --> 00:34:16,346
NYU, it was great.
- And then you met Hague.
688
00:34:16,388 --> 00:34:17,657
- That was the man,
Haig Manoogian.
689
00:34:17,681 --> 00:34:19,057
What did Haig do for you?
690
00:34:19,099 --> 00:34:22,519
- He had this extraordinary
passion that combined
691
00:34:22,561 --> 00:34:25,522
with yours will make you
go out and do anything.
692
00:34:25,564 --> 00:34:27,364
But he was very different,
we disagreed a lot.
693
00:34:27,399 --> 00:34:28,900
And his idea,
- About what?
694
00:34:28,942 --> 00:34:30,485
- Well, what cinema
should be, he said,
695
00:34:30,527 --> 00:34:32,904
if I see any of these kids
come in and there's a gun
696
00:34:32,946 --> 00:34:35,198
in the movie, I'm
throwing you out.
697
00:34:35,240 --> 00:34:37,200
I said, yeah, but
where I come from,
698
00:34:37,242 --> 00:34:39,202
Well, you really
must have broken his heart.
699
00:34:39,244 --> 00:34:41,079
You really, really
betrayed Haig, didn't you?
700
00:34:41,121 --> 00:34:42,807
- Well, with "Mean Streets,"
well, he saw "Mean Streets."
701
00:34:42,831 --> 00:34:45,125
So we argued, he loved Truffaut.
702
00:34:45,167 --> 00:34:47,502
- But not Godard, all you
need is a gun and a girl.
703
00:34:47,544 --> 00:34:48,628
- Yeah, exactly.
704
00:34:49,963 --> 00:34:51,440
Not in my pictures,
no he'd eliminate it,
705
00:34:51,464 --> 00:34:53,258
that's it, out, don't
come in here with that.
706
00:34:58,180 --> 00:34:59,639
- Where do we go?
707
00:35:02,517 --> 00:35:04,811
- This is the world
film business.
708
00:35:08,648 --> 00:35:09,750
- All these people
are here doing what?
709
00:35:09,774 --> 00:35:11,401
Selling films they have?
710
00:35:11,443 --> 00:35:13,987
- Or trying to find
a film to grab,
711
00:35:14,029 --> 00:35:18,909
to set up, to become a partner
in, to get a distributor for.
712
00:35:20,410 --> 00:35:23,288
I mean this is like the
Diamond Center on 47th Street.
713
00:35:26,041 --> 00:35:27,709
You lost weight.
- I wish.
714
00:35:29,044 --> 00:35:31,171
- No, you look, or I
gained, so by relative.
715
00:35:31,213 --> 00:35:32,589
This is Alec.
- Of course.
716
00:35:32,631 --> 00:35:33,507
How are you?
717
00:35:33,548 --> 00:35:34,841
Come in, come in.
718
00:35:34,883 --> 00:35:36,635
I don't like the
Cannes Film Festival.
719
00:35:36,676 --> 00:35:39,179
I don't believe in the
Cannes Film Festival.
720
00:35:39,221 --> 00:35:40,722
There's two things, the market,
721
00:35:40,764 --> 00:35:43,141
which I been here all the
time, and the festival.
722
00:35:43,183 --> 00:35:45,560
Most of the movie in the
festival are movie that
723
00:35:46,603 --> 00:35:48,355
if the only person will go is
724
00:35:48,396 --> 00:35:51,233
their mothers and
cousins, that's all.
725
00:35:51,274 --> 00:35:53,318
- What is fantastic
about Cannes is that
726
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,238
a Romanian film,
or a Belgian film,
727
00:35:56,279 --> 00:35:59,533
or a Danish film, or a
Uruguayan film is shown
728
00:35:59,574 --> 00:36:02,369
at the same time with the
same number of journalists.
729
00:36:02,410 --> 00:36:03,870
- Therefore, it has a chance.
730
00:36:03,912 --> 00:36:07,249
- Exactly, as a big American
production with big stars.
731
00:36:07,290 --> 00:36:11,127
- The big films protect
the small films.
732
00:36:11,169 --> 00:36:14,381
The stars protect
the unknown actors.
733
00:36:14,422 --> 00:36:16,007
- When I make a movie,
734
00:36:16,049 --> 00:36:18,593
all I think is
what's the profit.
735
00:36:18,635 --> 00:36:19,886
Before I make a movie,
736
00:36:19,928 --> 00:36:21,638
I know how much I'm
going to sell it.
737
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:26,101
So it's got nothing to do
with the creative part of it.
738
00:36:26,143 --> 00:36:28,979
I look at it as purely business.
739
00:36:29,020 --> 00:36:31,398
- Cinema is not poetry,
it's not painting.
740
00:36:31,439 --> 00:36:32,899
You need money.
741
00:36:32,941 --> 00:36:36,653
And we had sometime
people saying, well,
742
00:36:36,695 --> 00:36:40,115
it's a big commercial
Barnum Circus here,
743
00:36:40,157 --> 00:36:42,951
say, but please,
it's very important.
744
00:36:42,993 --> 00:36:46,830
The day we won't have anymore
advertising everywhere
745
00:36:46,872 --> 00:36:48,874
will mean that there
is no money anymore.
746
00:36:48,915 --> 00:36:50,542
No money, no films.
747
00:36:50,584 --> 00:36:53,044
So we don't have to
be naive with that.
748
00:36:53,086 --> 00:36:55,672
- But I think this is what
is great about Cannes,
749
00:36:55,714 --> 00:36:58,967
it's an hybrid. I mean, Melhor
wrote an essay on cinema
750
00:36:59,009 --> 00:37:01,845
and the famous last
sentence of the essay,
751
00:37:01,887 --> 00:37:04,514
besides cinema is an industry.
752
00:37:04,556 --> 00:37:07,184
And I think the fact that
Cannes has always remembered
753
00:37:07,225 --> 00:37:10,562
that line, it was also an
industry, to combine the two
754
00:37:10,604 --> 00:37:13,899
because this is the nature
of cinema, it's imperfect.
755
00:37:13,940 --> 00:37:17,569
- We wanna make a movie,
which is set in Iraq.
756
00:37:17,611 --> 00:37:19,571
It is something very polarizing.
757
00:37:19,613 --> 00:37:21,072
We come together and we have
758
00:37:21,114 --> 00:37:23,867
these bizarre sexual encounters.
759
00:37:23,909 --> 00:37:26,703
- Do you want me to send
you a movie that we've done?
760
00:37:26,745 --> 00:37:28,055
- Oh, you already
made this movie, okay.
761
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:30,165
That's a wrap, let's go.
762
00:37:30,207 --> 00:37:33,835
And now I am coming off
the TV show, six years,
763
00:37:33,877 --> 00:37:35,212
next year I have a half season,
764
00:37:35,253 --> 00:37:37,005
seven years, then we're done.
765
00:37:37,047 --> 00:37:39,591
And I'm going to, I
don't like to say this
766
00:37:39,633 --> 00:37:41,760
in some lofty way,
but I'm going to
767
00:37:41,802 --> 00:37:44,429
reenter filmmaking as a career.
768
00:37:44,471 --> 00:37:45,948
Do you think you could
be in the movie business
769
00:37:45,972 --> 00:37:46,972
with me again?
770
00:37:47,974 --> 00:37:49,643
- Definitely, but
not by yourself.
771
00:37:49,684 --> 00:37:50,936
I will have to support you.
772
00:37:50,977 --> 00:37:52,288
- You lay out all
the cards, exactly.
773
00:37:52,312 --> 00:37:53,563
- Listen.
774
00:37:53,605 --> 00:37:54,731
- There's gotta be a woman.
775
00:37:54,773 --> 00:37:55,792
- That's what they
know me about.
776
00:37:55,816 --> 00:37:57,567
I tell people what I,
777
00:37:57,609 --> 00:38:01,071
you need to get
support with other
778
00:38:01,112 --> 00:38:02,948
movie style people around you.
779
00:38:02,989 --> 00:38:06,201
Like Gerard Butler
supported with another four
780
00:38:07,369 --> 00:38:08,453
and what's his name.
781
00:38:08,495 --> 00:38:09,722
- So you want my
character to go to Iraq,
782
00:38:09,746 --> 00:38:11,498
you want me to fuck
four women in a hotel.
783
00:38:11,540 --> 00:38:12,666
- Five, if possible.
784
00:38:12,707 --> 00:38:14,668
- Five.
- Make it better.
785
00:38:14,709 --> 00:38:19,005
That in today world, very
difficult or nearly impossible,
786
00:38:19,047 --> 00:38:22,676
one man to make the
movie on his own name.
787
00:38:22,717 --> 00:38:24,052
- You know, years ago,
788
00:38:26,179 --> 00:38:28,390
people would go
to movies to see,
789
00:38:28,431 --> 00:38:31,059
oh, it's a Johnny Depp
movie, I'm gonna go see it.
790
00:38:32,435 --> 00:38:33,913
It's a Marlon Brandon
film, I'm gonna go see it.
791
00:38:33,937 --> 00:38:36,022
Or even when I was popular,
792
00:38:36,064 --> 00:38:37,524
we're gonna see Jimmy, okay.
793
00:38:39,025 --> 00:38:40,485
That don't work today anymore.
794
00:38:40,527 --> 00:38:42,338
If you look at the reasons
they go and they make money,
795
00:38:42,362 --> 00:38:45,407
those are all those
franchise movies.
796
00:38:52,372 --> 00:38:54,875
Johnny Depp, who I
think is wonderful,
797
00:38:54,916 --> 00:38:57,127
he'll make a movie that
he wants to make and
798
00:38:58,545 --> 00:38:59,421
they don't care.
- Oh my God,
799
00:38:59,462 --> 00:39:01,298
it's the cop we set on fire.
800
00:39:05,469 --> 00:39:06,470
- Try and look normal.
801
00:39:07,637 --> 00:39:09,157
- Usually that picture
would make as much
802
00:39:09,181 --> 00:39:12,017
as the franchise movie because
they were Johnny Depp fans.
803
00:39:12,976 --> 00:39:14,478
- You will not like me.
804
00:39:15,479 --> 00:39:16,897
The gentleman will be envious
805
00:39:16,938 --> 00:39:18,607
and the ladies will be repelled.
806
00:39:22,694 --> 00:39:24,738
- What about Neve Campbell?
807
00:39:24,779 --> 00:39:26,114
- Neve Campbell.
808
00:39:26,156 --> 00:39:28,658
I like Neve Campbell,
she's a great this,
809
00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:30,577
but you cannot sell that.
810
00:39:30,619 --> 00:39:33,163
- In France, we use
the word bankable.
811
00:39:33,205 --> 00:39:35,081
Do you use that in America?
- Yes, of course.
812
00:39:35,123 --> 00:39:36,666
- Yeah, it doesn't
mean anything.
813
00:39:36,708 --> 00:39:39,503
I mean, today, I would
receive all the script,
814
00:39:39,544 --> 00:39:41,505
let's say, lots of scripts.
815
00:39:41,546 --> 00:39:44,174
I can read the script
and see it's not me,
816
00:39:44,216 --> 00:39:46,676
but because you're top of the
wave, you got the scripts.
817
00:39:46,718 --> 00:39:49,054
I think people don't care
about the bankable anymore.
818
00:39:49,095 --> 00:39:50,555
They care about the story.
819
00:39:50,597 --> 00:39:52,867
When you have a good story,
then they go and see the movie.
820
00:39:52,891 --> 00:39:54,392
- I don't read script.
821
00:39:54,434 --> 00:39:56,019
- What do you think about Bejo,
822
00:39:56,061 --> 00:39:58,522
if it was Bejo and I
together in a film?
823
00:39:58,563 --> 00:40:00,690
- Who is Bejo?
- Berenice Bejo.
824
00:40:02,776 --> 00:40:04,003
- I don't know.
- You can't raise
825
00:40:04,027 --> 00:40:05,254
a lot of money with her,
she was in "The Artist?"
826
00:40:05,278 --> 00:40:06,404
- I know, no.
827
00:40:06,446 --> 00:40:07,715
- They won the
Oscar for last year.
828
00:40:07,739 --> 00:40:09,199
- I don't care.
- She's gorgeous.
829
00:40:09,241 --> 00:40:11,618
- She's gorgeous, so is...
- She's heart-stopping.
830
00:40:11,660 --> 00:40:15,205
- She's beautiful, but she's
not a girl I can sell on her.
831
00:40:15,247 --> 00:40:18,708
- The thing is, I'm not
20 years old anymore.
832
00:40:18,750 --> 00:40:21,670
And I know today I'm
on top of the wave,
833
00:40:21,711 --> 00:40:22,921
tomorrow I won't.
834
00:40:22,963 --> 00:40:26,091
Especially actresses,
and I know how it is.
835
00:40:26,132 --> 00:40:28,760
I mean I know the business,
so I don't expect anything.
836
00:40:28,802 --> 00:40:30,262
- The one that
I'll do it with you
837
00:40:30,303 --> 00:40:32,264
if you can get is,
what's her name,
838
00:40:32,305 --> 00:40:35,767
Natalie Portman or Mila Kunis.
839
00:40:37,185 --> 00:40:40,772
- So both me and Neve
Campbell having incredibly,
840
00:40:42,107 --> 00:40:43,775
just kind of exploratory,
841
00:40:43,817 --> 00:40:47,320
I'm not gonna say animal
sex, it's exploratory sex,
842
00:40:47,362 --> 00:40:50,490
new sex, new frontiers
of sex in a hotel room.
843
00:40:50,532 --> 00:40:53,285
You're gonna give us what, like
50 cents to make the movie?
844
00:40:54,995 --> 00:40:58,290
- Your name and her
name, something like
four or $5 million.
845
00:40:59,916 --> 00:41:01,168
- Okay.
- We may have to
846
00:41:01,209 --> 00:41:03,461
adjust the concept of
this movie a little bit.
847
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:09,968
Fuck these foreign sales guys.
848
00:41:10,010 --> 00:41:11,136
We don't need them anyway,
849
00:41:11,178 --> 00:41:12,679
we've got our
billionaires lined up,
850
00:41:12,721 --> 00:41:15,807
Taki Theodoracopulos, the
huge Greek shipping heir,
851
00:41:15,849 --> 00:41:18,685
Johnny Pigozzi, one of
the richest guys in Italy,
852
00:41:18,727 --> 00:41:21,021
whom Brett Ratner is
gonna introduce me to.
853
00:41:21,062 --> 00:41:23,356
We have Denise Rich's
party on her yacht.
854
00:41:23,398 --> 00:41:25,400
She's got a massive
settlement from her husband
855
00:41:25,442 --> 00:41:26,651
before he went on the lam.
856
00:41:26,693 --> 00:41:27,753
I know all that, there seems
857
00:41:27,777 --> 00:41:28,987
to be billionaires everywhere.
858
00:41:29,029 --> 00:41:30,739
But what makes you
think they're dying
859
00:41:30,780 --> 00:41:32,199
to give any of it to us?
860
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:33,867
All we need is one.
861
00:41:33,909 --> 00:41:35,494
And we still have Jeremy Thomas,
862
00:41:35,535 --> 00:41:37,537
we still have Asha Armitage,
863
00:41:37,579 --> 00:41:39,664
and we have several
other foreign sales guys
864
00:41:39,706 --> 00:41:41,208
we haven't met yet.
865
00:41:41,249 --> 00:41:43,585
I thought you said
fuck the foreign sales guys.
866
00:41:43,627 --> 00:41:45,712
Yeah, fuck the
ones who didn't say yes.
867
00:41:45,754 --> 00:41:47,631
But I always try to
keep an open mind.
868
00:41:49,758 --> 00:41:53,220
There's a history
of coming to the Riviera
869
00:41:53,261 --> 00:41:56,264
of people of great wealth
when they're in trouble.
870
00:41:56,306 --> 00:41:59,601
King Farouk left Egypt,
Duvalier left Haiti
871
00:41:59,643 --> 00:42:02,646
when he was in trouble,
Yeltsin left Russia
872
00:42:02,687 --> 00:42:05,732
when he was in trouble, and
they all came to the Riviera.
873
00:42:05,774 --> 00:42:06,942
It's not a bad place.
874
00:42:06,983 --> 00:42:08,735
- Best buy in the
world to bump into.
875
00:42:08,777 --> 00:42:09,736
You don't wanna
makes plans with him,
876
00:42:09,778 --> 00:42:12,280
but you can bump into him.
877
00:42:12,322 --> 00:42:13,448
Sit down, sit down.
878
00:42:13,490 --> 00:42:14,407
Don't forget the
stars we're shooting
879
00:42:14,449 --> 00:42:15,617
for "Seduced and Abandoned."
880
00:42:15,659 --> 00:42:18,286
Gosling, Chastain,
we can sow the seeds
881
00:42:18,328 --> 00:42:20,539
for "Last Tango in
Tikrit" with them.
882
00:42:20,580 --> 00:42:22,833
Jimmy, your
optimism astonishes me
883
00:42:22,874 --> 00:42:25,210
because I expect
nothing but frustration
884
00:42:25,252 --> 00:42:27,128
and disappointment from
the movie business.
885
00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:29,965
I know, but not
this time, believe me.
886
00:42:30,006 --> 00:42:32,175
Of all the
male movie stars in the world,
887
00:42:32,217 --> 00:42:33,635
who's your favorite?
888
00:42:33,677 --> 00:42:36,346
Which actor do you
fantasize about the most?
889
00:42:36,388 --> 00:42:39,057
Who is the hottest
leading actor?
890
00:42:39,099 --> 00:42:41,309
Which actor would you
most like to be stuck
891
00:42:41,351 --> 00:42:42,519
in an elevator with?
892
00:42:42,561 --> 00:42:44,896
Ryan Gosling.
893
00:42:46,857 --> 00:42:48,525
- Fuck, seriously.
894
00:42:48,567 --> 00:42:50,777
It's like you're photoshopped.
895
00:42:50,819 --> 00:42:52,320
- I get it, so the film,
896
00:42:52,362 --> 00:42:54,423
you're making a documentary
about trying to get financing.
897
00:42:54,447 --> 00:42:56,491
- That's right.
- We have a film
898
00:42:56,533 --> 00:42:58,743
we wanna make.
- So you still have that,
899
00:42:58,785 --> 00:43:01,329
but would this turn into just
a film about making films?
900
00:43:01,371 --> 00:43:03,248
- We're gonna make this
movie no matter what.
901
00:43:03,290 --> 00:43:04,541
But "Seduced and Abandoned,"
902
00:43:04,583 --> 00:43:06,042
the celebratory
movie about film,
903
00:43:06,084 --> 00:43:07,603
- But the narrative of
that is that you're trying
904
00:43:07,627 --> 00:43:09,754
to get funding for this
other film you wanna make.
905
00:43:09,796 --> 00:43:10,940
- That's right.
- Which is like
906
00:43:10,964 --> 00:43:13,758
a $50 million drama?
- Probably,
907
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,760
probably, probably, probably.
908
00:43:15,802 --> 00:43:17,387
- No, no, no, for that film,
909
00:43:17,429 --> 00:43:20,390
we're gonna go in a time
machine and go back to 1990
910
00:43:20,432 --> 00:43:22,267
and do the 50 million.
911
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:23,828
Now it's like a three and a
half million-dollar drama.
912
00:43:23,852 --> 00:43:27,272
- Or, no, or it's a 12 to
15 million-dollar movie
913
00:43:27,314 --> 00:43:29,941
unless you want to
be written into it,
914
00:43:29,983 --> 00:43:31,252
which I'll be happy to
do, and then it becomes
915
00:43:31,276 --> 00:43:32,152
a 35 to $50 million one.
- If you do it with us,
916
00:43:32,194 --> 00:43:33,862
it's 150 million project.
917
00:43:35,864 --> 00:43:37,991
- Hi, guys.
- What a dress.
918
00:43:38,033 --> 00:43:40,368
- I just did the photo
call for "Madagascar,"
919
00:43:40,410 --> 00:43:41,745
so I'm all Madagascar-ed out.
920
00:43:41,786 --> 00:43:42,786
Hi.
- Beautiful.
921
00:43:44,289 --> 00:43:45,540
I don't want to touch you.
922
00:43:45,582 --> 00:43:47,626
- Oh.
- 'Cause you look too good.
923
00:43:47,667 --> 00:43:50,003
I know we only
have you for 10 minutes.
924
00:43:50,045 --> 00:43:51,230
- Do I need to get mic'ed
or anything or are we good?
925
00:43:51,254 --> 00:43:52,273
- We're gonna boom
you, I think, correct?
926
00:43:52,297 --> 00:43:54,341
- Ooh, you okay, you okay?
927
00:43:54,382 --> 00:43:55,801
- Yeah, that works quite well.
928
00:43:55,842 --> 00:43:57,028
We get her for 10 minutes
and you step on her,
929
00:43:57,052 --> 00:43:58,345
that's great, thank you.
930
00:43:58,386 --> 00:44:00,514
- I loved going to school.
931
00:44:00,555 --> 00:44:02,307
A lot of people don't
like drama school.
932
00:44:02,349 --> 00:44:03,892
I loved,
- You went to Julliard.
933
00:44:03,934 --> 00:44:05,185
- I went to Julliard.
934
00:44:05,227 --> 00:44:08,855
It encouraged you to be
crazy and be outlandish
935
00:44:08,897 --> 00:44:10,982
and try the most
outrageous things
936
00:44:11,024 --> 00:44:13,819
and then fail,
like fail terribly.
937
00:44:13,860 --> 00:44:15,588
But you would learn so
much every time you fail.
938
00:44:15,612 --> 00:44:16,905
And now what's different?
939
00:44:16,947 --> 00:44:18,740
- Well, I try to,
- We have a result
940
00:44:18,782 --> 00:44:20,325
that we have to get to.
- We do.
941
00:44:20,367 --> 00:44:22,386
But what I try to do is I
try now with the director,
942
00:44:22,410 --> 00:44:24,371
I try to make the
director my teacher.
943
00:44:24,412 --> 00:44:26,122
- To recreate that.
- So every film
944
00:44:26,164 --> 00:44:28,083
is like a master class.
945
00:44:28,124 --> 00:44:29,918
- I just love movies.
946
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,044
I always loved movies.
947
00:44:31,086 --> 00:44:34,756
Movies were like
friends of mine.
948
00:44:34,798 --> 00:44:35,900
My mother wanted to punish me,
949
00:44:35,924 --> 00:44:37,300
she'd take them away from me.
950
00:44:38,635 --> 00:44:40,279
Sometimes I put 'em down
the front of my pants
951
00:44:40,303 --> 00:44:42,597
'cause I liked
the way they felt.
952
00:44:42,639 --> 00:44:43,890
- When I was little, my parents
953
00:44:43,932 --> 00:44:45,934
showed me movies, old movies.
954
00:44:45,976 --> 00:44:47,978
And that's how I grew
up, I couldn't watch TV,
955
00:44:48,019 --> 00:44:49,479
I was not allowed.
956
00:44:49,521 --> 00:44:52,607
And then what I was doing
is I would take books
957
00:44:52,649 --> 00:44:56,069
and watch the pictures so
I could see Robert Mitchum,
958
00:44:56,111 --> 00:44:58,738
Joan Crawford, and
everybody was very glamour.
959
00:44:58,780 --> 00:45:00,282
That's what I liked.
960
00:45:00,323 --> 00:45:02,659
Just the dream that you give
to the people and the pleasure
961
00:45:02,701 --> 00:45:04,786
you have when you go and
see a movie in the theater.
962
00:45:04,828 --> 00:45:06,288
That's why I wanna
be an actress.
963
00:45:06,329 --> 00:45:07,515
- Because I knew I didn't
wanna go to the meat market.
964
00:45:07,539 --> 00:45:08,582
You know, that was my,
965
00:45:09,791 --> 00:45:11,918
I didn't wanna lug meat
down in 14th Street
966
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,003
the rest of my life.
967
00:45:13,044 --> 00:45:14,504
So the only thing that was left,
968
00:45:14,546 --> 00:45:16,840
I mean was I walked into
the neighborhood playhouse.
969
00:45:16,882 --> 00:45:18,776
- I'm from a very, very
small village in Germany,
970
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,511
with 2,000 people, we
don't even have a bar.
971
00:45:21,553 --> 00:45:23,472
I started out dancing,
I was a ballet dancer.
972
00:45:23,513 --> 00:45:25,390
I studied with the
Royal Academy of London.
973
00:45:25,432 --> 00:45:28,226
From a very young age,
I grew up learning
974
00:45:28,268 --> 00:45:33,356
how to express emotions and
whatever anger or anxieties
975
00:45:36,860 --> 00:45:37,736
I would have, because I was
976
00:45:37,777 --> 00:45:39,571
definitely an angry teenager.
977
00:45:39,613 --> 00:45:41,406
- My uncle was an
Elvis impersonator,
978
00:45:42,616 --> 00:45:45,076
so I was in his act
when I was, like, three.
979
00:45:45,118 --> 00:45:47,245
He had the jumpsuit,
he had the sequins.
980
00:45:47,287 --> 00:45:48,872
He was sequining
the thing himself.
981
00:45:48,914 --> 00:45:51,416
He was standing in the mirror,
he was working on the voice,
982
00:45:51,458 --> 00:45:53,668
he's working on the songs.
983
00:45:53,710 --> 00:45:55,629
- And you're watching this.
- I'm watching him
984
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:57,297
create the character.
985
00:45:57,339 --> 00:46:00,258
- I'm always working
on something, but
I don't mind that.
986
00:46:00,300 --> 00:46:02,594
Like I was the student at
school that during critiques,
987
00:46:02,636 --> 00:46:05,764
my teachers, their critique
was, you work too hard,
988
00:46:05,806 --> 00:46:07,098
you should play more.
989
00:46:07,140 --> 00:46:08,659
- And at a certain point,
because I was there,
990
00:46:08,683 --> 00:46:11,478
he thought, they should put
me in the act, it'd be funny.
991
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:12,955
- And what did you do?
- They made me
992
00:46:12,979 --> 00:46:14,731
the head of security.
993
00:46:14,773 --> 00:46:16,608
They pushed me out ahead of him
994
00:46:16,650 --> 00:46:18,985
and there's hundreds of people,
995
00:46:19,027 --> 00:46:22,489
and he's Elvis, I
mean Elvis Perry.
996
00:46:23,698 --> 00:46:25,492
And he has no hair, a mustache,
997
00:46:25,534 --> 00:46:26,827
and a big birthmark on his face.
998
00:46:26,868 --> 00:46:28,370
But I swear to God,
he became Elvis.
999
00:46:28,411 --> 00:46:31,122
Or at least he did to
all of us at that time.
1000
00:46:31,164 --> 00:46:36,169
- Being able to allow myself
to be so vulnerable and so open
1001
00:46:37,754 --> 00:46:42,467
to so many people staring at
you and being able to feel,
1002
00:46:42,509 --> 00:46:46,805
and the process of getting
to a certain level of emotion
1003
00:46:46,847 --> 00:46:49,724
is very, it makes me feel alive.
1004
00:46:49,766 --> 00:46:52,060
- I have an idea of
what my journey is
1005
00:46:52,102 --> 00:46:54,020
as the character in the film,
1006
00:46:54,062 --> 00:46:56,481
but I don't know exactly what
I'm gonna do in the scene
1007
00:46:56,523 --> 00:46:59,109
until I look into the eyes
of the person speaking to me
1008
00:46:59,151 --> 00:47:00,569
and what they're doing.
1009
00:47:00,610 --> 00:47:02,338
I always try to act with
people who are better than me
1010
00:47:02,362 --> 00:47:04,739
because it really
puts me on my toes.
1011
00:47:04,781 --> 00:47:06,408
I have to rise to the occasion.
1012
00:47:06,449 --> 00:47:09,494
It's this moment of
panic, I have to keep up.
1013
00:47:09,536 --> 00:47:13,248
- It's so rare to, as
an actor, to do a scene
1014
00:47:13,290 --> 00:47:16,334
and allow yourself
to get lost in it
1015
00:47:16,376 --> 00:47:18,062
to the point where you
don't know what you did
1016
00:47:18,086 --> 00:47:19,087
when you're way out.
1017
00:47:21,047 --> 00:47:23,383
And if Francis would
say, great, let's go,
1018
00:47:23,425 --> 00:47:27,429
I knew it was great, or good,
or at least satisfied him.
1019
00:47:27,471 --> 00:47:29,097
- And you just do
what I tell you to do.
1020
00:47:29,139 --> 00:47:30,891
God dammit, if I had
a wartime consigliere,
1021
00:47:30,932 --> 00:47:33,435
a Sicilian, I wouldn't
be in this shape.
1022
00:47:33,477 --> 00:47:34,978
Pop had Genco, look what I got.
1023
00:47:39,191 --> 00:47:41,109
I'm sorry, I didn't mean that.
1024
00:47:41,151 --> 00:47:43,737
- But most of the time
figuratively speaking,
1025
00:47:43,778 --> 00:47:45,822
you have to sort of keep
an eye outside of yourself
1026
00:47:45,864 --> 00:47:47,175
pointing at the
woods, so that's 10%
1027
00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:48,783
that's not really involved.
1028
00:47:48,825 --> 00:47:51,119
- Your job is to make it
seem like something new
1029
00:47:51,161 --> 00:47:52,329
is happening every time.
1030
00:47:53,705 --> 00:47:55,665
And that's out the window
when you come to set
1031
00:47:55,707 --> 00:47:57,292
and everyone's got
sides in their pocket
1032
00:47:57,334 --> 00:47:59,920
and even the electrician knows
what you're going to say.
1033
00:47:59,961 --> 00:48:02,839
You're stumbling through
this blocking rehearsal,
1034
00:48:02,881 --> 00:48:05,634
suddenly some guy's
putting tape on the floor
1035
00:48:05,675 --> 00:48:07,195
and now for the rest of
the day, you're married
1036
00:48:07,219 --> 00:48:08,678
to where you stood at 6:00 a.m.
1037
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:09,864
They start with the wide shot,
1038
00:48:09,888 --> 00:48:12,390
which in most things
they never use.
1039
00:48:12,432 --> 00:48:14,726
And you're spending
all of the newness
1040
00:48:14,768 --> 00:48:16,186
of it on the wide shots.
1041
00:48:16,228 --> 00:48:17,705
Then they get closer
and closer and closer.
1042
00:48:17,729 --> 00:48:19,540
And by the end of the day
they're on the closeup,
1043
00:48:19,564 --> 00:48:21,525
which is all they ever use.
1044
00:48:21,566 --> 00:48:24,486
And they use the last one
because that's when you got it.
1045
00:48:24,528 --> 00:48:25,654
That's when you nailed it.
1046
00:48:25,695 --> 00:48:28,532
But it's now you're
talking like a robot and
1047
00:48:29,908 --> 00:48:31,409
you leave set feeling
like a failure
1048
00:48:31,451 --> 00:48:34,496
because you feel
like nothing changed.
1049
00:48:34,538 --> 00:48:35,789
- If we have the dialogue,
1050
00:48:35,831 --> 00:48:37,308
yes, there's a script
for "Mean Streets,"
1051
00:48:37,332 --> 00:48:40,418
but the reality is that
if you have Bob and Harvey
1052
00:48:40,460 --> 00:48:42,045
and the other
people on the scene,
1053
00:48:42,087 --> 00:48:44,089
they know the people that
they're dealing with.
1054
00:48:44,130 --> 00:48:46,925
I hope that they bring
something, I'm afraid,
1055
00:48:46,967 --> 00:48:51,221
at the same time I'm afraid,
can I, how should I put it,
1056
00:48:51,263 --> 00:48:54,975
can I create an atmosphere
that will bring out something
1057
00:48:55,016 --> 00:48:56,309
that I think is wonderful,
1058
00:48:56,351 --> 00:48:58,270
something I hadn't
expected at all?
1059
00:48:58,311 --> 00:49:00,272
- The best experiences
I've ever had,
1060
00:49:00,313 --> 00:49:02,107
it was the environment
that I was in
1061
00:49:02,149 --> 00:49:05,068
that got the best
work out of me.
1062
00:49:05,110 --> 00:49:09,614
Michelle and I, although
involved in the film for years,
1063
00:49:11,199 --> 00:49:13,118
didn't know each other at all.
1064
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,704
And he structured
it so that we would
1065
00:49:15,745 --> 00:49:17,455
get to know one another on film.
1066
00:49:18,623 --> 00:49:20,208
So when we're walking
around, I mean,
1067
00:49:20,250 --> 00:49:22,335
we're dictating where we go.
1068
00:49:22,377 --> 00:49:24,045
And we wanna walk this way,
1069
00:49:24,087 --> 00:49:25,839
we walk that way,
we schedule a night,
1070
00:49:25,881 --> 00:49:27,966
we're just gonna walk around
and do whatever we want
1071
00:49:28,008 --> 00:49:29,176
and they're going to film it.
1072
00:49:29,217 --> 00:49:32,512
And that's us getting
to know one another.
1073
00:49:32,554 --> 00:49:36,892
- The good directors,
they're supervisors.
1074
00:49:36,933 --> 00:49:39,186
If I know my relationship,
I know what I want from you,
1075
00:49:39,227 --> 00:49:41,021
I know what the conflict is.
1076
00:49:41,062 --> 00:49:42,689
If I have trouble memorizing,
1077
00:49:42,731 --> 00:49:45,066
it's pretty much written wrong.
1078
00:49:45,108 --> 00:49:47,086
- For example, in that
"Goodfellas" where Joe Pesci
1079
00:49:47,110 --> 00:49:49,529
does, what do you
think I'm funny?
1080
00:49:50,947 --> 00:49:53,492
Literally, was something
that had happened to Joe.
1081
00:49:53,533 --> 00:49:56,328
He said, I'd do the picture
if you put the scene in.
1082
00:49:59,289 --> 00:50:00,248
- The fuckers.
1083
00:50:00,290 --> 00:50:01,958
Gee, I wish I was big just once.
1084
00:50:04,044 --> 00:50:05,921
We're the big cops.
- You're a pisser.
1085
00:50:05,962 --> 00:50:07,172
You're really funny.
1086
00:50:07,214 --> 00:50:09,257
You're really funny.
1087
00:50:09,299 --> 00:50:10,459
- What do you mean I'm funny?
1088
00:50:11,802 --> 00:50:14,221
- It's funny, you know,
it's a good story.
1089
00:50:14,262 --> 00:50:15,806
It's funny, you're a funny guy.
1090
00:50:17,182 --> 00:50:19,059
- What do you mean, you
mean the way I talk?
1091
00:50:20,519 --> 00:50:23,063
- It's just, you know, it's,
you're just funny, it's,
1092
00:50:24,648 --> 00:50:26,292
funny, you know, the way you
tell the story and everything.
1093
00:50:26,316 --> 00:50:29,820
- Funny how, I mean,
what's funny about it?
1094
00:50:29,861 --> 00:50:30,821
- Tommy, no, you
got it all wrong.
1095
00:50:30,862 --> 00:50:33,448
- Whoa, Anthony, he's a big boy.
1096
00:50:33,490 --> 00:50:35,075
He knows what he
said, what'd you say?
1097
00:50:35,116 --> 00:50:36,326
- You're right.
- Funny how?
1098
00:50:36,368 --> 00:50:38,912
- It's two cameras and
it's two medium shots
1099
00:50:38,954 --> 00:50:41,206
with everybody around
him because as the tone
1100
00:50:41,248 --> 00:50:45,627
of the scene changes,
the people's faces
around them change,
1101
00:50:45,669 --> 00:50:46,962
the atmosphere changes.
1102
00:50:48,380 --> 00:50:51,466
But I had to work it
with Joe so that he did
1103
00:50:51,508 --> 00:50:54,803
five or six
improvisations with Ray
1104
00:50:54,845 --> 00:50:58,557
and we were fooling around
with it and I typed up stuff.
1105
00:50:58,598 --> 00:51:00,517
But we had to hit certain levels
1106
00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:02,245
and I had to keep guiding
Joe to that level.
1107
00:51:02,269 --> 00:51:03,687
- Oh no, you said it.
1108
00:51:03,728 --> 00:51:05,522
How do I know, you
said I'm funny.
1109
00:51:05,564 --> 00:51:06,857
How the fuck am I funny?
1110
00:51:06,898 --> 00:51:09,025
What the fuck is
so funny about me?
1111
00:51:09,067 --> 00:51:10,569
Tell me, tell me what's funny.
1112
00:51:16,575 --> 00:51:19,244
- Get the fuck out
of here, Tommy.
1113
00:51:19,286 --> 00:51:20,954
- The motherfucker,
I almost had him.
1114
00:51:20,996 --> 00:51:22,205
I almost had him.
1115
00:51:22,247 --> 00:51:24,332
- Woody Allen is the
perfect director.
1116
00:51:24,374 --> 00:51:27,210
And who he reminds me of,
oddly enough, in the moment,
1117
00:51:27,252 --> 00:51:31,548
in the actual work is John
Hughes, the late John Hughes.
1118
00:51:31,590 --> 00:51:34,885
'Cause Hughes was a very
successful writer-director.
1119
00:51:34,926 --> 00:51:36,386
And yet, when I did one of the,
1120
00:51:36,428 --> 00:51:39,097
I did the first real movie
I did was with Hughes,
1121
00:51:39,139 --> 00:51:41,141
this movie "She's Having
a Baby" with Kevin Bacon
1122
00:51:41,183 --> 00:51:43,435
and Elizabeth McGovern,
and Hughes would sit there
1123
00:51:43,477 --> 00:51:44,936
and we would do a scene.
1124
00:51:44,978 --> 00:51:47,123
And if he wasn't satisfied
with the way it was playing,
1125
00:51:47,147 --> 00:51:49,399
he would jokingly stand up
and say, who wrote this shit?
1126
00:51:49,441 --> 00:51:51,276
And he'd throw the
script on the ground.
1127
00:51:51,318 --> 00:51:52,819
And Woody's the same way.
1128
00:51:52,861 --> 00:51:57,157
You think of all the awards
he's been nominated for and won.
1129
00:51:57,199 --> 00:52:00,243
And you think of how
essential his career is
1130
00:52:00,285 --> 00:52:02,829
and the first words out
of his mouth are, he goes,
1131
00:52:02,871 --> 00:52:06,041
and if you don't wanna say
any of this, of course,
1132
00:52:06,082 --> 00:52:07,626
don't say any of it.
1133
00:52:07,667 --> 00:52:11,254
You say as much of it or as
little of it as you care to.
1134
00:52:11,296 --> 00:52:13,507
And you're sitting
there going, my God,
1135
00:52:13,548 --> 00:52:14,841
I mean, the ego.
1136
00:52:14,883 --> 00:52:17,385
And I've worked with
guys who don't have,
1137
00:52:18,845 --> 00:52:22,474
Woody Allen has more talent
in his toenail clippings
1138
00:52:22,516 --> 00:52:25,018
than these motherfuckers
have in their whole body.
1139
00:52:25,060 --> 00:52:28,396
And they're sitting they're
going, you said perhaps,
1140
00:52:29,898 --> 00:52:33,819
but I think you should say
maybe we'll go to the party.
1141
00:52:33,860 --> 00:52:36,071
Not, you said perhaps,
we're gonna go again.
1142
00:52:36,112 --> 00:52:38,824
- I'm not precious
about my scripts.
1143
00:52:38,865 --> 00:52:41,827
I still feel like
a novice writer.
1144
00:52:41,868 --> 00:52:43,954
I'd certainly feel
like a novice director.
1145
00:52:43,995 --> 00:52:46,957
And I'm open to suggestions.
1146
00:52:46,998 --> 00:52:49,835
I like improvisation, you
know, once in a while,
1147
00:52:51,044 --> 00:52:52,480
your an idea that's
just totally fucked
1148
00:52:52,504 --> 00:52:54,589
and you have to humor.
1149
00:52:55,966 --> 00:52:57,467
- That ain't no Etch-a-Sketch.
1150
00:52:58,802 --> 00:53:01,054
This is one doodle that
can't be undid, home skillet.
1151
00:53:02,264 --> 00:53:04,307
- But I had a really
conventional upbringing,
1152
00:53:04,349 --> 00:53:07,269
Catholic, so that messes you up.
1153
00:53:07,310 --> 00:53:11,106
I went to college, I started
working at an ad agency,
1154
00:53:11,148 --> 00:53:12,416
answering phones, making coffee,
1155
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,276
making coffees,
totally miserable.
1156
00:53:14,317 --> 00:53:17,237
And I realized I was
bored with my life.
1157
00:53:17,279 --> 00:53:21,658
I wanted to try something
that seemed kind of bizarre
1158
00:53:21,700 --> 00:53:25,537
and out of my comfort zone,
so I started stripping.
1159
00:53:25,579 --> 00:53:27,557
That was the first time my
writing got any attention
1160
00:53:27,581 --> 00:53:29,833
because I was writing
about it on a regular basis
1161
00:53:29,875 --> 00:53:32,460
and suddenly people wanted
to hear what I had to say.
1162
00:53:32,502 --> 00:53:34,087
- I always wanted to be a writer
1163
00:53:35,547 --> 00:53:37,090
from the time I began.
1164
00:53:37,132 --> 00:53:39,009
And so what I was going to use
1165
00:53:39,050 --> 00:53:44,055
with my better financial
situation was to really do
1166
00:53:45,765 --> 00:53:47,017
a great big art film.
1167
00:53:48,351 --> 00:53:50,854
I made some films that,
of course, I'm proud of,
1168
00:53:50,896 --> 00:53:54,316
but the kind of of film
that I have in my mind
1169
00:53:54,357 --> 00:53:57,569
or in my heart,
the kind of emotion
1170
00:53:57,611 --> 00:53:59,529
that I would love to get at,
1171
00:54:00,780 --> 00:54:03,033
I haven't quite ever
gotten to do that.
1172
00:54:03,074 --> 00:54:05,327
- Honestly, I'd been
writing since childhood,
1173
00:54:05,368 --> 00:54:07,204
but I was always
interested in prose.
1174
00:54:07,245 --> 00:54:09,873
I went through the
sort of standard
1175
00:54:09,915 --> 00:54:12,250
Anne Sexton, Sylvia Plath phase.
1176
00:54:12,292 --> 00:54:15,253
- Does the choice of Anne
Sexton and Sylvia Plath
1177
00:54:15,295 --> 00:54:19,216
suggest that you had
early suicidal thoughts?
1178
00:54:19,257 --> 00:54:22,260
- Yeah, early, middle, recent.
1179
00:54:22,302 --> 00:54:23,762
- Yeah, right.
- Yeah.
1180
00:54:23,804 --> 00:54:27,599
- What do you use to block
yourself from acting it out?
1181
00:54:27,641 --> 00:54:30,227
- I think that is, I mean,
I think for a lot of people,
1182
00:54:30,268 --> 00:54:32,145
and probably for
yourself as well,
1183
00:54:32,187 --> 00:54:34,773
creating and writing
are a catharsis.
1184
00:54:34,815 --> 00:54:36,817
It's a form of self-medicating.
1185
00:54:36,858 --> 00:54:38,985
I am actually a
very driven person.
1186
00:54:39,027 --> 00:54:40,505
I'm always trying to
think of the next thing
1187
00:54:40,529 --> 00:54:41,655
I'm going to do.
1188
00:54:41,696 --> 00:54:43,990
And I think that knowing
that you're building
1189
00:54:44,032 --> 00:54:47,244
to something prevents you
from being totally nihilistic.
1190
00:54:48,537 --> 00:54:51,248
- We started shooting
without the end scene
1191
00:54:52,415 --> 00:54:54,835
because I had the
argument with Bob Towne.
1192
00:54:54,876 --> 00:54:59,631
Bob wanted the happy end.
1193
00:54:59,673 --> 00:55:01,258
When I say this is impossible,
1194
00:55:01,299 --> 00:55:05,804
if you want this film to have
any impact on the audience,
1195
00:55:05,846 --> 00:55:08,014
she has to die, there
must be some kind of,
1196
00:55:08,932 --> 00:55:10,851
the evil has to win.
1197
00:55:12,269 --> 00:55:13,854
- Forget it, Jake,
it's Chinatown
1198
00:55:15,397 --> 00:55:17,941
- It's a quick, what Mickey
Cohen used to call ankedote.
1199
00:55:19,401 --> 00:55:21,903
There's a great story that
Charlotte Chandler tells
1200
00:55:21,945 --> 00:55:26,408
about Mastroianni and
Fellini on "La Dolce Vita."
1201
00:55:27,576 --> 00:55:29,119
Fellini wanted him to do it,
1202
00:55:29,161 --> 00:55:32,164
offered him the part,
Mastroianni wanted
to see a script.
1203
00:55:32,205 --> 00:55:34,082
Fellini said there is no script.
1204
00:55:34,124 --> 00:55:35,667
Mastroianni said I need one.
1205
00:55:35,709 --> 00:55:38,170
Fellini handed him a manuscript,
1206
00:55:38,211 --> 00:55:41,673
a thick one with all blank
pages except for one page
1207
00:55:41,715 --> 00:55:43,592
in which there's a
drawing of Mastroianni
1208
00:55:43,633 --> 00:55:45,760
on a boat in the ocean.
1209
00:55:45,802 --> 00:55:48,597
And his prick was hanging down,
1210
00:55:48,638 --> 00:55:50,974
sticking down into the
bottom of the ocean
1211
00:55:51,016 --> 00:55:53,768
with a beautiful
mermaid swimming around
1212
00:55:53,810 --> 00:55:55,312
the shaft of his prick.
1213
00:55:55,353 --> 00:55:58,273
And Mastroianni looked at it
and said, I'm gonna do it,
1214
00:55:58,315 --> 00:55:59,774
that's an interesting part.
1215
00:56:01,860 --> 00:56:03,403
- The film we wanna make is
1216
00:56:03,445 --> 00:56:08,200
I am a government operative
and the woman is a reporter,
1217
00:56:09,117 --> 00:56:10,285
kind of a lefty journalist
1218
00:56:10,327 --> 00:56:11,967
and the two of them
are complete opposites
1219
00:56:11,995 --> 00:56:14,414
and they meet in
Iraq during the war.
1220
00:56:14,456 --> 00:56:17,000
So basically we come
together and it's like,
1221
00:56:17,042 --> 00:56:19,336
the world is ending, let's fuck.
1222
00:56:19,377 --> 00:56:23,173
And then they have this crazy,
1223
00:56:23,215 --> 00:56:25,425
we call the movie
"Last Tango in Tikrit."
1224
00:56:25,467 --> 00:56:26,694
- Okay, okay, wow.
- Two of them
1225
00:56:26,718 --> 00:56:28,196
in the same hotel room.
- It's deep, man.
1226
00:56:28,220 --> 00:56:31,348
- We wanna explore what
happens between men and women.
1227
00:56:31,389 --> 00:56:34,184
Now would that kind of
a film interest you?
1228
00:56:34,226 --> 00:56:35,727
- You know, I couldn't tell you.
1229
00:56:35,769 --> 00:56:38,396
I would be happy
to read the script.
1230
00:56:38,438 --> 00:56:40,398
Your pitch has not
convinced me yet,
1231
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,484
but I'm willing
to give it a shot.
1232
00:56:44,444 --> 00:56:46,571
- This has been invaluable.
1233
00:56:46,613 --> 00:56:49,241
And it shows that we
have to polish the pitch.
1234
00:56:50,742 --> 00:56:54,996
We need to, we'll set up
another bevy of sales agents.
1235
00:56:55,038 --> 00:56:56,498
We need three or four more.
1236
00:56:56,540 --> 00:56:57,975
- We have one set up for
tomorrow morning at nine.
1237
00:56:57,999 --> 00:56:59,417
And you'll bring cash.
1238
00:56:59,459 --> 00:57:01,753
- Yeah, in a brown envelope.
1239
00:57:01,795 --> 00:57:04,798
I assume there's no car chases.
1240
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:06,675
- No.
- Or explosions in there.
1241
00:57:06,716 --> 00:57:08,218
- No.
- I absolutely think
1242
00:57:08,260 --> 00:57:10,720
that Alec has the capabilities,
1243
00:57:10,762 --> 00:57:14,266
one of those few actors
who can kind of cut across
1244
00:57:14,307 --> 00:57:17,602
all of the genres and
has done it, obviously,
1245
00:57:17,644 --> 00:57:19,104
over his career.
1246
00:57:19,146 --> 00:57:21,439
Can you shoot the movie in
Russia and then maybe do
1247
00:57:21,481 --> 00:57:24,067
a part of it in China
and have perhaps
1248
00:57:24,109 --> 00:57:28,321
a Chinese, Japanese, Russian,
and Brazilian star in it?
1249
00:57:28,363 --> 00:57:31,324
Then you could perhaps
surround him with them.
1250
00:57:31,366 --> 00:57:32,868
- Yes, the answer's yes.
1251
00:57:32,909 --> 00:57:35,287
- And work with the emerging
markets in such a way
1252
00:57:35,328 --> 00:57:37,080
that your movie would
be financed to the,
1253
00:57:37,122 --> 00:57:39,166
- Yes.
- At one market.
1254
00:57:39,207 --> 00:57:43,795
- I can justify
just about anything.
1255
00:57:43,837 --> 00:57:46,006
- It's very hard to find
anybody today who says,
1256
00:57:46,047 --> 00:57:48,467
I want to do that,
I want to do that.
1257
00:57:48,508 --> 00:57:50,177
No, let's run the numbers.
1258
00:57:50,218 --> 00:57:53,472
So it's not anybody who's
got a vision anymore.
1259
00:57:53,513 --> 00:57:56,057
The visionary studio boss
is a thing of the past.
1260
00:57:56,099 --> 00:57:59,853
- Is the funding that we
potentially might be able
1261
00:57:59,895 --> 00:58:02,856
to get from you coming from you
1262
00:58:02,898 --> 00:58:05,692
or is it coming from sources
to which you have access?
1263
00:58:05,734 --> 00:58:07,819
Am I sitting with the one,
1264
00:58:07,861 --> 00:58:10,739
is this something that you
can do by your own fiat?
1265
00:58:10,780 --> 00:58:12,199
- I need my partners involved.
1266
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:13,366
- You do?
- Yeah.
1267
00:58:13,408 --> 00:58:16,161
- But are you the,
I swear to you
1268
00:58:16,203 --> 00:58:18,371
I will not repeat this,
1269
00:58:18,413 --> 00:58:20,916
are you the strongest
voice in that partnership,
1270
00:58:22,459 --> 00:58:27,088
assuming we need between
15 and, say, $18 million?
1271
00:58:27,130 --> 00:58:28,381
- 15, 20 million too much.
1272
00:58:28,423 --> 00:58:31,092
- It shouldn't
exceed 10 million.
1273
00:58:31,134 --> 00:58:32,928
- Film has to have
better relation
1274
00:58:32,969 --> 00:58:34,763
to what you can get back for it.
1275
00:58:34,805 --> 00:58:36,616
- Five is always the best
because that's always,
1276
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:40,477
I find that the threshold
is when that's the limit
1277
00:58:40,519 --> 00:58:41,937
when people still make money
1278
00:58:41,978 --> 00:58:43,480
and then when they
start losing money.
1279
00:58:43,522 --> 00:58:44,773
- When you said what you did
1280
00:58:44,815 --> 00:58:47,400
about an international
cast and locations,
1281
00:58:47,442 --> 00:58:50,403
was that 100% serious
or was it metaphorical?
1282
00:58:50,445 --> 00:58:52,572
- It was metaphorical.
- Okay, but I'm
1283
00:58:52,614 --> 00:58:53,865
a flexible guy.
1284
00:58:57,202 --> 00:58:59,454
Put it this way, I'm a
prostitute who would've done
1285
00:58:59,496 --> 00:59:01,414
what I'm doing as a
prostitute anyway.
1286
00:59:05,794 --> 00:59:09,047
What we can find out
here is logistically
1287
00:59:09,089 --> 00:59:12,008
what kind of cooperation
we can expect,
1288
00:59:12,050 --> 00:59:13,677
what kind of tax breaks,
1289
00:59:13,718 --> 00:59:16,179
what kind of advantages
to shoot in one place
1290
00:59:16,221 --> 00:59:19,933
as opposed to another,
Iraq, Tunisia, Abu Dhabi.
1291
00:59:22,894 --> 00:59:24,563
- Tunisia.
- Welcome.
1292
00:59:24,604 --> 00:59:26,189
- Bon jour, bon jour.
1293
00:59:26,231 --> 00:59:27,065
- Bon jour.
- Bon jour.
1294
00:59:27,107 --> 00:59:28,358
- Hi.
- Hi.
1295
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,569
And she says, ay, ay, ay.
1296
00:59:30,610 --> 00:59:32,338
- We don't need a translator,
you speak perfect English.
1297
00:59:32,362 --> 00:59:33,572
- I certainly do.
1298
00:59:33,613 --> 00:59:35,699
- We are here looking
for film finance,
1299
00:59:35,740 --> 00:59:37,909
because the film we're
shooting is in Iraq.
1300
00:59:37,951 --> 00:59:40,871
Our film requires
a backdrop of war.
1301
00:59:40,912 --> 00:59:45,959
I am an American government
operative in the Bush era,
1302
00:59:47,460 --> 00:59:48,795
the war maker.
1303
00:59:48,837 --> 00:59:51,006
He's a CIA operator
who's a conservative,
1304
00:59:51,047 --> 00:59:53,758
he's a hawk in the
purest American terms,
1305
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:55,594
who meets a liberal journalist.
1306
00:59:55,635 --> 00:59:58,889
- We could shoot Tunisia for
Iraq and make it believable,
1307
00:59:58,930 --> 01:00:00,098
right?
- Yeah.
1308
01:00:00,140 --> 01:00:01,617
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- Yeah, it's the same.
1309
01:00:01,641 --> 01:00:02,601
- Which do you think is
better, Tunisia or Morocco?
1310
01:00:02,642 --> 01:00:04,102
- Yeah, yeah.
1311
01:00:04,144 --> 01:00:05,812
So if I'm in Abu
Dhabi, which is a city.
1312
01:00:05,854 --> 01:00:09,399
- Yeah, it's an Emirate,
it's kind one of several...
1313
01:00:09,441 --> 01:00:10,793
- It's like New York,
New York is in Emirate.
1314
01:00:10,817 --> 01:00:13,570
I live in New York.
- Okay.
1315
01:00:13,612 --> 01:00:14,672
It's a large area.
- Yeah, I live
1316
01:00:14,696 --> 01:00:15,822
in an Emirate, too.
- Right.
1317
01:00:15,864 --> 01:00:17,824
- We're trying to
get an idea of what's
1318
01:00:17,866 --> 01:00:20,327
the most physically beautiful
1319
01:00:20,368 --> 01:00:24,289
and also the greatest
governmental cooperation.
1320
01:00:24,331 --> 01:00:26,333
- Today, we just announced
an incentive package.
1321
01:00:26,374 --> 01:00:28,543
- We have an incentive,
a financial incentive.
1322
01:00:28,585 --> 01:00:30,921
- Do you have a film
fund that's similar,
1323
01:00:30,962 --> 01:00:32,422
that's government funded?
- We do.
1324
01:00:32,464 --> 01:00:35,091
- Does the government invest
in an American production?
1325
01:00:35,133 --> 01:00:37,677
Do they become partners?
- Yeah.
1326
01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:39,513
- Yeah, it could, it
could be possible, yes.
1327
01:00:39,554 --> 01:00:41,306
Yes, for sure.
- Yeah, Tunisia's beautiful.
1328
01:00:41,348 --> 01:00:42,974
We have walked the,
1329
01:00:43,016 --> 01:00:45,811
we have walked this complex
for a couple days now,
1330
01:00:45,852 --> 01:00:47,687
looking for the Iraqi
Film Commission.
1331
01:00:47,729 --> 01:00:49,564
Where is the Iraqi
Film Commission?
1332
01:00:49,606 --> 01:00:51,316
I don't know.
- Why don't they have one?
1333
01:00:51,358 --> 01:00:52,818
- No, I don't think
there are any.
1334
01:00:52,859 --> 01:00:54,319
- Why?
1335
01:00:54,361 --> 01:00:56,571
Are there films
shooting in Iraq?
1336
01:00:56,613 --> 01:00:58,156
- I'm not aware of any.
1337
01:00:58,198 --> 01:01:00,092
- Why don't the Iraqis have
a film commission to shoot?
1338
01:01:00,116 --> 01:01:01,427
- I think, again,
I think you need
1339
01:01:01,451 --> 01:01:03,328
to put the question
to the Iraqis.
1340
01:01:03,370 --> 01:01:04,246
- Okay, you're very good.
1341
01:01:04,287 --> 01:01:06,373
- This is a highly sexual movie.
1342
01:01:06,414 --> 01:01:07,767
Political drama,
- It's an examination
1343
01:01:07,791 --> 01:01:11,711
of the exchange of
energy, if you will.
1344
01:01:11,753 --> 01:01:14,422
- There is a lot of specific
sexual behavior in the movie.
1345
01:01:14,464 --> 01:01:16,508
- Eroticism, love scenes.
1346
01:01:16,550 --> 01:01:19,678
- Is there any
chance, even a sliver,
1347
01:01:19,719 --> 01:01:22,264
- I don't want to be in
a bed with Neve Campbell
1348
01:01:22,305 --> 01:01:24,933
with a camera rolling
and the Jordanian censors
1349
01:01:24,975 --> 01:01:26,101
kick the door down.
1350
01:01:26,143 --> 01:01:27,245
- It's me that reads the script
1351
01:01:27,269 --> 01:01:28,770
in the Moroccan Cinema Center.
1352
01:01:28,812 --> 01:01:31,940
- So if we make a very
sexually exploratory film
1353
01:01:31,982 --> 01:01:33,292
and you read the script,
- Yes, I would.
1354
01:01:33,316 --> 01:01:34,956
- And you agree that
we can make the film,
1355
01:01:34,985 --> 01:01:36,825
that's gonna tell us a
lot about you, isn't it?
1356
01:01:36,862 --> 01:01:37,862
- Yes.
1357
01:01:45,495 --> 01:01:48,957
Ultimately, immortality
is the goal of many,
1358
01:01:48,999 --> 01:01:52,002
if not most, of the people
who spend their lives
1359
01:01:52,043 --> 01:01:56,256
in the movie business, the
chance to live forever.
1360
01:01:56,298 --> 01:01:58,008
And I'm not talking
about in the minds
1361
01:01:58,049 --> 01:02:02,012
of those close to them, but
in the cinematic memories
1362
01:02:02,053 --> 01:02:03,889
of generations to come.
1363
01:02:05,015 --> 01:02:06,015
- Stella!
1364
01:02:07,893 --> 01:02:10,896
It's no coincidence
that Marilyn Monroe
1365
01:02:10,937 --> 01:02:14,024
is on the poster for
this year's festival.
1366
01:02:14,065 --> 01:02:19,029
Monroe, the greatest example
of immortality through death.
1367
01:02:24,743 --> 01:02:27,037
Johnny Pigozzi's a car magnate,
1368
01:02:27,078 --> 01:02:28,997
his father owns Simca.
1369
01:02:29,039 --> 01:02:30,499
He's got an island in Panama.
1370
01:02:30,540 --> 01:02:33,293
He's got an apartment in New
York, apartment in London,
1371
01:02:33,335 --> 01:02:34,586
an apartment in Switzerland.
1372
01:02:34,628 --> 01:02:36,397
He's got a lot of money
and he's a big investor.
1373
01:02:36,421 --> 01:02:38,256
He takes risks.
- So getting 15 million
1374
01:02:38,298 --> 01:02:40,383
from him for a movie
should be no problem.
1375
01:02:40,425 --> 01:02:41,510
- No problem, absolutely.
1376
01:02:41,551 --> 01:02:42,928
Johnny.
1377
01:02:42,969 --> 01:02:45,555
It's my friend James Toback
I was telling you about.
1378
01:02:45,597 --> 01:02:48,058
- How much time do you
spend here during the year?
1379
01:02:48,099 --> 01:02:49,935
- About a month a year.
1380
01:02:49,976 --> 01:02:52,103
- This is so beautiful.
- It is.
1381
01:02:52,145 --> 01:02:53,814
But I have to thank
my father for this.
1382
01:02:53,855 --> 01:02:55,774
I'm not responsible for
any of what is here.
1383
01:02:55,816 --> 01:02:58,944
- Well, I think it's
wonderful to have a father
1384
01:02:58,985 --> 01:02:59,986
who took care of you.
1385
01:03:00,028 --> 01:03:01,738
- Yeah, he did very well.
1386
01:03:01,780 --> 01:03:03,615
- And you'll do the same for us.
1387
01:03:05,033 --> 01:03:07,494
What do you take your real
sense of identity from?
1388
01:03:07,536 --> 01:03:11,289
What makes you just a
general lover of life?
1389
01:03:11,331 --> 01:03:14,543
Or is there one specific thing
that makes you feel the way,
1390
01:03:14,584 --> 01:03:17,462
I would say a filmmaker,
without which I have
1391
01:03:17,504 --> 01:03:19,005
no real sense of identity?
1392
01:03:19,047 --> 01:03:23,009
- Because in addition to that,
you have tried many things.
1393
01:03:23,051 --> 01:03:26,471
You've been writing and
you've been the tennis,
1394
01:03:26,513 --> 01:03:30,225
and the martial arts,
and everything, and
the writing books.
1395
01:03:30,267 --> 01:03:31,577
You're someone who
could have sat back
1396
01:03:31,601 --> 01:03:32,870
and you didn't have to
do anything, correcT?
1397
01:03:32,894 --> 01:03:35,188
- Well, unfortunately,
I hate to say this,
1398
01:03:35,230 --> 01:03:39,025
but without my father,
I would've been nothing.
1399
01:03:39,067 --> 01:03:41,069
Couldn't, you know,
let's face it.
1400
01:03:41,111 --> 01:03:43,488
It's held me back in writing
because a lot of people,
1401
01:03:43,530 --> 01:03:47,826
nobody wants to hire somebody
who can afford not to write.
1402
01:03:47,868 --> 01:03:49,035
I think it's terrible.
1403
01:03:49,077 --> 01:03:50,370
It's prejudice against blacks.
1404
01:03:50,412 --> 01:03:51,621
It's prejudice against gays.
1405
01:03:51,663 --> 01:03:53,165
It's prejudice against rich.
1406
01:03:53,206 --> 01:03:54,642
- It's prejudice
against trust funds.
1407
01:03:54,666 --> 01:03:56,102
- Yeah, trust funds, I mean,
I think that's terrible.
1408
01:03:56,126 --> 01:03:57,586
- Yeah, all prejudice is wrong.
1409
01:03:57,627 --> 01:03:59,379
- I'm for freedom.
1410
01:03:59,421 --> 01:04:01,798
- You're the victim
of a hate crime.
1411
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:03,109
- They should make
it a hate crime.
1412
01:04:03,133 --> 01:04:05,260
- What I'm trying to
do here is talk you
1413
01:04:05,302 --> 01:04:08,430
into being part of a legacy
of a great work of art,
1414
01:04:08,472 --> 01:04:09,931
'cause you're an art collector.
1415
01:04:09,973 --> 01:04:13,477
This is, this film is
going to be a work of art,
1416
01:04:13,518 --> 01:04:16,146
and I need you to come in as,
1417
01:04:16,188 --> 01:04:18,440
were you ready to
put up 15 million?
1418
01:04:18,482 --> 01:04:19,482
- What?
1419
01:04:21,276 --> 01:04:24,404
- It was the right place
to go, in the Riviera.
1420
01:04:24,446 --> 01:04:26,406
Somerset Maugham
had described it,
1421
01:04:26,448 --> 01:04:28,658
sunny place for shady people.
1422
01:04:28,700 --> 01:04:31,286
But in the summer we
all came here because
1423
01:04:31,328 --> 01:04:34,581
they went to the casinos,
and there was dancing.
1424
01:04:34,623 --> 01:04:36,208
At, Sidney Bechet was playing
1425
01:04:36,249 --> 01:04:37,834
the clarinet in.
1426
01:04:38,668 --> 01:04:40,128
He was very glamorous.
1427
01:04:40,170 --> 01:04:43,340
And Monte Carlo didn't look
like Las Vegas on the sea.
1428
01:04:43,381 --> 01:04:45,967
It was sort of the magical place
1429
01:04:46,009 --> 01:04:48,136
which Fitzgerald had described.
1430
01:04:48,178 --> 01:04:52,015
And the Murphys had invented
actually in the '20s,
1431
01:04:53,058 --> 01:04:55,018
Picasso, Hemingway, Fitzgerald.
1432
01:04:56,394 --> 01:04:58,522
Picasso came here, and
de Stael and all of them,
1433
01:04:58,563 --> 01:05:01,191
because of the light.
1434
01:05:01,233 --> 01:05:04,402
And now, of course,
all these people
1435
01:05:04,444 --> 01:05:07,739
who are anchored around us,
they all should be in jail,
1436
01:05:07,781 --> 01:05:10,742
but they're all Russian
oligarch crooks.
1437
01:05:11,952 --> 01:05:13,537
- Why did you think
he was a good shot?
1438
01:05:13,578 --> 01:05:15,705
- You know, he's a risk taker.
1439
01:05:15,747 --> 01:05:16,540
I don't know, but maybe.
1440
01:05:16,581 --> 01:05:17,582
- Are you a risk taker?
1441
01:05:17,624 --> 01:05:18,624
- Not in the movies.
1442
01:05:19,793 --> 01:05:21,562
- Well, I hate to say,
but I was a good friend
1443
01:05:21,586 --> 01:05:24,548
of President Nixon's and he
liked me and he wrote to me
1444
01:05:24,589 --> 01:05:27,592
when I was in prison
and he wrote me
1445
01:05:27,634 --> 01:05:30,679
a very nice letter,
and the screw came in.
1446
01:05:32,139 --> 01:05:34,599
I was just doing four months
for cocaine possession.
1447
01:05:34,641 --> 01:05:35,976
And a screw came in, he said,
1448
01:05:36,017 --> 01:05:38,311
censors wanna know if
this is true or not,
1449
01:05:38,353 --> 01:05:40,313
it was a letter from
President Nixon.
1450
01:05:40,355 --> 01:05:45,360
I sold the envelope for some
food to one of the screws.
1451
01:05:46,319 --> 01:05:47,654
- Wow.
- And I told him that
1452
01:05:47,696 --> 01:05:49,340
afterwards and he thought
it was very funny.
1453
01:05:49,364 --> 01:05:51,616
- Where were you incarcerated?
- In Pentonville.
1454
01:05:51,658 --> 01:05:54,619
- If Johnny's not gonna,
obviously not gonna invest,
1455
01:05:54,661 --> 01:05:57,080
there's a guy over
there, Arki Busson.
1456
01:05:57,122 --> 01:05:58,474
- He's big.
- Very big, successful.
1457
01:05:58,498 --> 01:05:59,457
And he's in the movie business.
1458
01:05:59,499 --> 01:06:00,834
He loves the movie business.
1459
01:06:00,876 --> 01:06:02,711
- What did he do?
- He financed
1460
01:06:02,752 --> 01:06:05,172
Walters Salas's new film
that's in competition here now.
1461
01:06:05,213 --> 01:06:06,673
- "On the Road?"
- Yeah.
1462
01:06:06,715 --> 01:06:09,843
- I'm proposing that you
take a serious step up
1463
01:06:09,885 --> 01:06:13,346
if we do this next movie and
maybe be the sole investor.
1464
01:06:13,388 --> 01:06:16,725
You are young, and
vigorous, and healthy,
1465
01:06:16,766 --> 01:06:20,353
but even if you live
another 20, 25 years,
1466
01:06:20,395 --> 01:06:21,855
you're in your last lap.
1467
01:06:21,897 --> 01:06:23,190
- Yes.
- I am, too.
1468
01:06:23,231 --> 01:06:24,375
- Definite, no, no you're not.
1469
01:06:24,399 --> 01:06:25,358
- So you can afford to make...
1470
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:26,818
- We have a phrase we're using,
1471
01:06:26,860 --> 01:06:28,236
which is you're in the second
1472
01:06:28,278 --> 01:06:30,906
to the last reel of the movie.
- Right, yeah.
1473
01:06:30,947 --> 01:06:34,367
200 years after you're
dead, quite seriously,
1474
01:06:34,409 --> 01:06:37,913
the reason people will
know you are here and care
1475
01:06:37,954 --> 01:06:40,165
is that your name
will be on the screen
1476
01:06:40,207 --> 01:06:43,084
as the producer of my next film.
1477
01:06:43,126 --> 01:06:46,546
Next time it's a Taki
Theodoracopulos production.
1478
01:06:46,588 --> 01:06:51,176
You put up the 10, $15 million
necessary, maybe even less.
1479
01:06:51,218 --> 01:06:52,528
- Please bring me
some cigarettes quick
1480
01:06:52,552 --> 01:06:55,263
- Who has more
money, you or Johnny?
1481
01:06:55,305 --> 01:06:57,098
- Johnny by far.
- By far.
1482
01:06:57,140 --> 01:07:00,477
I wanted to set the
stage for a future lunch
1483
01:07:00,519 --> 01:07:03,605
in which the investment
is made on the spot.
1484
01:07:03,647 --> 01:07:05,166
- The investment will
be made on the spot
1485
01:07:05,190 --> 01:07:07,651
but depends who you
will bring at the table.
1486
01:07:07,692 --> 01:07:08,610
- Alex Baldwin?
- And seriously,
1487
01:07:08,652 --> 01:07:10,237
so Alec, yeah.
- Alec Baldwin.
1488
01:07:10,278 --> 01:07:12,405
- Yes.
- In Last Tango?
1489
01:07:12,447 --> 01:07:14,342
- Well, in our version.
- He can't do that remake,
1490
01:07:14,366 --> 01:07:16,159
he's a TV actor.
1491
01:07:26,670 --> 01:07:28,463
- So what's the one
thing you'd like to do
1492
01:07:28,505 --> 01:07:31,508
that you can't do or the
one place you'd like to go
1493
01:07:31,550 --> 01:07:33,343
that you can't go?
1494
01:07:33,385 --> 01:07:35,512
- I'm still figuring
out all the things
1495
01:07:35,554 --> 01:07:37,973
that I wanna do that I can do.
1496
01:07:38,014 --> 01:07:40,034
So that's tough to figure out.
- You can do a lot of things.
1497
01:07:40,058 --> 01:07:44,521
- But I've always wanted to
go to space and I guess if you
1498
01:07:44,563 --> 01:07:47,399
would say the one thing
that I really want to do
1499
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:48,668
that I can say that I can't do,
1500
01:07:48,692 --> 01:07:50,527
but that I would
really want to do,
1501
01:07:50,569 --> 01:07:52,821
one would be to cure cancer,
1502
01:07:52,863 --> 01:07:55,240
so that nobody would ever
have to suffer from it.
1503
01:07:55,282 --> 01:07:57,701
The other thing would be
to have peace in the world.
1504
01:07:57,742 --> 01:08:02,747
- You know, Alec and I are
planning a film next year.
1505
01:08:03,957 --> 01:08:05,959
Would it interest
you independently
1506
01:08:06,001 --> 01:08:08,712
to think of investing
in our movie?
1507
01:08:08,753 --> 01:08:10,922
- I don't really get
involved in anything
1508
01:08:10,964 --> 01:08:13,341
that I'm not really
totally involved with.
1509
01:08:21,141 --> 01:08:22,809
- Ben Schneider.
- Hey, how are you?
1510
01:08:22,851 --> 01:08:24,644
Nice to meet you.
- Great to meet you
1511
01:08:24,686 --> 01:08:26,521
I'm actually the son
of Neil Schneider,
1512
01:08:26,563 --> 01:08:27,981
who's a big financier
on the film.
1513
01:08:28,023 --> 01:08:32,277
- Ah, I've been hearing
about you and about your dad.
1514
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:36,990
He's the silent investor.
1515
01:08:37,032 --> 01:08:41,286
The other guys were
there with some fanfare.
1516
01:08:41,328 --> 01:08:43,121
What are you up to in life?
1517
01:08:43,163 --> 01:08:45,624
- Well, currently I moved
out to LA about a year ago.
1518
01:08:45,665 --> 01:08:46,851
I've been part of a
sketch comedy group
1519
01:08:46,875 --> 01:08:48,502
for the past six, seven months.
1520
01:08:48,543 --> 01:08:50,629
- Ah, I'm gonna
grab a shrimp here.
1521
01:08:50,670 --> 01:08:51,796
- Oh yeah, go for it.
1522
01:08:51,838 --> 01:08:52,964
- Where are you living?
1523
01:08:53,006 --> 01:08:54,841
- Currently, I'm living
in West Hollywood,
1524
01:08:54,883 --> 01:08:57,511
just down the street
from the Viper Room.
1525
01:08:57,552 --> 01:08:58,762
- And you want to be an actor?
1526
01:08:58,804 --> 01:09:00,514
- Absolutely, oh,
without a doubt.
1527
01:09:00,555 --> 01:09:02,516
- How old were you when
you moved to California?
1528
01:09:02,557 --> 01:09:03,725
- 16.
1529
01:09:03,767 --> 01:09:05,560
- Where'd you stay?
- West Hollywood.
1530
01:09:06,895 --> 01:09:08,897
- I could write an
interesting role for you.
1531
01:09:08,939 --> 01:09:11,191
Maybe we should try
to seduce your father
1532
01:09:11,233 --> 01:09:12,484
into being a partner.
1533
01:09:12,526 --> 01:09:14,236
I'm trying to put some
money together here.
1534
01:09:14,277 --> 01:09:16,238
- Was where you are
now, was that a goal?
1535
01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:17,489
Did you have a sense of that?
1536
01:09:17,531 --> 01:09:19,008
- But that's the best
part about Los Angeles.
1537
01:09:19,032 --> 01:09:22,369
It's filled with all these
Don Quixote-type characters.
1538
01:09:22,410 --> 01:09:25,247
People who have come from,
everyone's left their families,
1539
01:09:25,288 --> 01:09:28,458
their homes, their
friends, their jobs
1540
01:09:28,500 --> 01:09:31,503
to pursue a dream where they
know that the percentage
1541
01:09:31,545 --> 01:09:35,924
of them achieving that dream
is never and they do it anyway.
1542
01:09:35,966 --> 01:09:38,760
And everyone has shared the
same dream and no one's sure
1543
01:09:38,802 --> 01:09:42,389
if it was a premonition
or a delusion.
1544
01:09:42,430 --> 01:09:44,933
And there's only
one way to find out.
1545
01:09:44,975 --> 01:09:46,393
- Ben Schneider.
1546
01:09:46,434 --> 01:09:48,562
- Ben is the son.
- I know.
1547
01:09:48,603 --> 01:09:50,939
- Yeah, and he's
a budding actor.
1548
01:09:50,981 --> 01:09:52,959
And I said he's a handsome...
- You wanna be an actor?
1549
01:09:52,983 --> 01:09:54,484
- Yes, I've been
acting since I...
1550
01:09:54,526 --> 01:09:55,526
- Why?
- Why?
1551
01:09:57,612 --> 01:10:00,240
- You know you're lucky to get
an audition, then you get it,
1552
01:10:00,282 --> 01:10:02,284
you get there, you walk
into a room full of guys
1553
01:10:02,325 --> 01:10:03,660
that look just like you.
1554
01:10:03,702 --> 01:10:04,762
You realize you're
not the only one
1555
01:10:04,786 --> 01:10:06,288
that wore the cowboy hat.
1556
01:10:06,329 --> 01:10:08,015
Then you can hear the
other guy in the other room
1557
01:10:08,039 --> 01:10:10,667
auditioning and now you're
thinking about not doing it
1558
01:10:10,709 --> 01:10:12,252
like him as opposed
to doing it the way
1559
01:10:12,294 --> 01:10:14,045
that you wanted to do it.
1560
01:10:14,087 --> 01:10:15,422
Then before you go in,
1561
01:10:15,463 --> 01:10:16,732
you hear the casting
director negotiating the deal
1562
01:10:16,756 --> 01:10:18,341
for the guy that
already got the part.
1563
01:10:18,383 --> 01:10:20,135
Turns out Jared
Leto already got it.
1564
01:10:21,386 --> 01:10:22,864
Then you go in, you
think you're doing an,
1565
01:10:22,888 --> 01:10:25,515
you just think I'll do
it as an acting exercise.
1566
01:10:25,557 --> 01:10:27,225
I know I'm not gonna get it,
1567
01:10:27,267 --> 01:10:29,394
I'll just stick it
as an experience.
1568
01:10:29,436 --> 01:10:31,080
And then you get to the scene
where you're supposed to cry
1569
01:10:31,104 --> 01:10:34,065
over your friend and
you get the tears going,
1570
01:10:34,107 --> 01:10:36,318
and you're emotional,
and then she gets a call
1571
01:10:36,359 --> 01:10:37,819
and asks you to leave the room.
1572
01:10:37,861 --> 01:10:40,006
You're trying to keep the
tears up, but it's 10 minutes
1573
01:10:40,030 --> 01:10:41,507
'cause you're waiting out
there and you're trying
1574
01:10:41,531 --> 01:10:43,259
to keep in the zone and you
lose it, and you come back
1575
01:10:43,283 --> 01:10:45,744
and you want to pick it
up, you wanna start again,
1576
01:10:45,785 --> 01:10:47,746
but she makes you pick
it up where you left off.
1577
01:10:47,787 --> 01:10:50,373
You go to your car, you
got a parking ticket
1578
01:10:50,415 --> 01:10:52,751
because the street cleaning
sign has been covered
1579
01:10:52,792 --> 01:10:54,544
by the auditions this way sign.
1580
01:10:56,046 --> 01:10:58,798
Then you get in your car,
you change, you muster up
1581
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:00,300
the guts to go back to
1582
01:11:00,342 --> 01:11:02,427
until you go to another
one, and you wait in traffic
1583
01:11:02,469 --> 01:11:04,596
for two hours and you
go through it again.
1584
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:07,933
I think we
had a nice connection,
1585
01:11:07,974 --> 01:11:09,643
the three of us, don't you?
1586
01:11:09,684 --> 01:11:12,979
I bet if I write an ambitious
original role for him,
1587
01:11:13,021 --> 01:11:14,815
he'll jump on board right away
1588
01:11:14,856 --> 01:11:16,775
and the money will
click in immediately.
1589
01:11:16,817 --> 01:11:18,252
'Cause the one thing
we're seeing here
1590
01:11:18,276 --> 01:11:21,112
is that money
follows stars, right.
1591
01:11:21,154 --> 01:11:24,407
Jessica Chastain could be the
woman and Neve can be the wife
1592
01:11:24,449 --> 01:11:27,828
you divorced or who divorced
you before you left.
1593
01:11:32,874 --> 01:11:34,417
- Cover sales and magazines are
1594
01:11:34,459 --> 01:11:35,961
a very dodgy thing right now.
1595
01:11:36,002 --> 01:11:40,465
And so we had to retreat and
we talked about we could put
1596
01:11:40,507 --> 01:11:43,260
on the cover and how
we would change the way
1597
01:11:43,301 --> 01:11:46,847
we do our covers
and the number-one
person by a long shot.
1598
01:11:46,888 --> 01:11:50,183
But with men and
women in this culture,
1599
01:11:50,225 --> 01:11:51,702
it's harder and harder
to find somebody
1600
01:11:51,726 --> 01:11:54,521
who's both well known
enough to move the freight
1601
01:11:54,563 --> 01:11:58,191
around the world and who will
reflect well on the magazine
1602
01:11:58,233 --> 01:12:00,861
but it'll be something that
people wanna read about.
1603
01:12:03,196 --> 01:12:05,740
- Vanity Fair is not a
movie magazine, per se,
1604
01:12:05,782 --> 01:12:08,535
but it's become
the movie magazine.
1605
01:12:08,577 --> 01:12:10,036
Was that an intention of yours?
1606
01:12:10,078 --> 01:12:13,039
- No, I think that the one
thing that people in the east
1607
01:12:13,081 --> 01:12:16,710
may have is a fascination with
the, quote unquote, romance
1608
01:12:16,751 --> 01:12:18,795
of Hollywood, specifically
old Hollywood.
1609
01:12:18,837 --> 01:12:20,463
And maybe we see
it in a different,
1610
01:12:20,505 --> 01:12:22,757
through a different
prism than somebody
1611
01:12:22,799 --> 01:12:24,092
who actually lives there.
1612
01:12:24,134 --> 01:12:25,886
I mean, most of Hollywood,
it looks like a,
1613
01:12:25,927 --> 01:12:28,430
you go to a Hollywood party,
it looks like a casting call
1614
01:12:28,472 --> 01:12:30,765
for "Jersey Shore," I mean.
1615
01:12:31,766 --> 01:12:32,934
- You mean now?
1616
01:12:32,976 --> 01:12:33,894
- Now, yeah.
1617
01:12:33,935 --> 01:12:35,312
I mean, look, this weekend,
1618
01:12:35,353 --> 01:12:37,814
I mean the movies have
degenerated to the point
1619
01:12:37,856 --> 01:12:41,401
where you had a comic
book movie going up
1620
01:12:41,443 --> 01:12:42,819
against a board game movie.
1621
01:12:45,530 --> 01:12:48,408
So many people
with so much money.
1622
01:12:48,450 --> 01:12:50,202
You know what might
be a good idea?
1623
01:12:51,328 --> 01:12:52,454
Theft.
1624
01:12:52,496 --> 01:12:53,663
Just kidding.
1625
01:12:53,705 --> 01:12:56,124
Although, you know, maybe not.
1626
01:12:56,166 --> 01:12:59,294
The problem is it's so
crowded, so many witnesses.
1627
01:13:00,795 --> 01:13:03,024
The touching thing is that
they're gliding around oblivious
1628
01:13:03,048 --> 01:13:06,301
to the one undeniable
certainty that unites them.
1629
01:13:06,343 --> 01:13:08,512
That they're all gonna be dead.
1630
01:13:08,553 --> 01:13:10,680
What good is their money
gonna do them then?
1631
01:13:10,722 --> 01:13:13,308
They might as well
have financed us.
1632
01:13:13,350 --> 01:13:16,561
At least they'd have their
name on a great work of art.
1633
01:13:16,603 --> 01:13:19,022
I gotta be careful
or I'm gonna go nuts.
1634
01:13:28,865 --> 01:13:30,325
- I was actually quoted recently
1635
01:13:30,367 --> 01:13:32,619
and it was a bit of a
misquote, 'cause I said,
1636
01:13:34,079 --> 01:13:35,556
we make a lot of shitty
movies, I did not say that.
1637
01:13:35,580 --> 01:13:37,040
I said, as an industry,
1638
01:13:37,082 --> 01:13:39,018
we make some shitty movies
and we make some great movies.
1639
01:13:39,042 --> 01:13:42,170
The real problem in
this business, if you
make a great film,
1640
01:13:42,212 --> 01:13:43,421
if you really get down to it,
1641
01:13:43,463 --> 01:13:45,191
you make a great film
that no one goes to see
1642
01:13:45,215 --> 01:13:48,218
versus a bad film that
everyone has gone to see.
1643
01:13:48,260 --> 01:13:50,262
The way you keep your job
is you make that bad film
1644
01:13:50,303 --> 01:13:51,721
that everyone went to see.
1645
01:13:51,763 --> 01:13:54,099
You don't get points
for the good film
1646
01:13:54,141 --> 01:13:55,433
that no one went to see.
1647
01:13:55,475 --> 01:13:57,477
- It's not the
distributors who say, oh,
1648
01:13:57,519 --> 01:14:00,605
we're not gonna put
your your film out
1649
01:14:00,647 --> 01:14:02,816
because the truth is
no one will come in
1650
01:14:02,858 --> 01:14:06,236
the numbers sufficient to
justify the making of the film.
1651
01:14:06,278 --> 01:14:08,655
- Very important to me
what marketing thinks
1652
01:14:08,697 --> 01:14:10,657
and what they believe
can be accomplished
1653
01:14:10,699 --> 01:14:12,409
in the campaign for that movie.
1654
01:14:12,450 --> 01:14:15,203
- The marketability of a
movie has somehow or another
1655
01:14:15,245 --> 01:14:18,456
become more important
than the story.
1656
01:14:18,498 --> 01:14:21,501
- Very important what
international distribution
1657
01:14:21,543 --> 01:14:24,171
and home video thinks
about this movie.
1658
01:14:24,212 --> 01:14:28,592
- And that's driven so many
of the decisions today.
1659
01:14:28,633 --> 01:14:32,053
- Very important what
domestic home video
1660
01:14:32,095 --> 01:14:33,513
thinks about this movie.
1661
01:14:33,555 --> 01:14:38,185
- How do you think that
affects the quality of movies?
1662
01:14:38,226 --> 01:14:39,686
Because the way I see it,
1663
01:14:39,728 --> 01:14:42,564
one person making the final
decision affords a chance
1664
01:14:42,606 --> 01:14:45,192
at boldness and originality,
1665
01:14:45,233 --> 01:14:49,488
a committee decision guarantees
timidity and convention,
1666
01:14:49,529 --> 01:14:53,074
which is why people with
fresh ideas need to run around
1667
01:14:53,116 --> 01:14:55,744
chasing money outside
the system all the time.
1668
01:14:55,785 --> 01:14:58,205
- What it does to
you as a filmmaker,
1669
01:14:58,246 --> 01:15:00,916
what it does to the
sort of agent community,
1670
01:15:00,957 --> 01:15:04,252
it stops their ability,
when I was a an agent,
1671
01:15:04,294 --> 01:15:06,254
I could go in to
see Tom Pollock,
1672
01:15:06,296 --> 01:15:09,716
and I could convince Tom
Pollock or Casey Silver
1673
01:15:09,758 --> 01:15:14,721
to say yes to a movie
based on my enthusiasm,
1674
01:15:15,931 --> 01:15:17,074
my saying I'm gonna
take this to the studio
1675
01:15:17,098 --> 01:15:18,725
if you don't say
yes to me right now,
1676
01:15:18,767 --> 01:15:20,620
I could do it at that
moment, I could get people.
1677
01:15:20,644 --> 01:15:23,438
And those, by the way,
not just them, any studio.
1678
01:15:23,480 --> 01:15:25,124
I don't believe you could
do that at any studio today.
1679
01:15:25,148 --> 01:15:26,292
I certainly couldn't
do it at Universal,
1680
01:15:26,316 --> 01:15:27,460
but you couldn't do
it at any studio.
1681
01:15:27,484 --> 01:15:29,986
- But why, why?
- If I love something
1682
01:15:30,028 --> 01:15:32,489
and everyone else hates
it, we don't make it.
1683
01:15:32,531 --> 01:15:35,492
- I mean, all the movies that
won the Academy Award for us,
1684
01:15:35,534 --> 01:15:38,370
and I use the word us, so
it's never really about me,
1685
01:15:39,538 --> 01:15:41,164
were pictures that
nobody else wanted,
1686
01:15:41,206 --> 01:15:43,959
whether it was "Cuckoo's
Nest" or "Dances with Wolves."
1687
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:45,669
- There was a wide
margin at the time
1688
01:15:45,710 --> 01:15:48,046
where pictures could get
made like a 'Taxi Driver"
1689
01:15:48,088 --> 01:15:50,382
and ultimately a "Raging
Bull" to a certain extent.
1690
01:15:50,423 --> 01:15:52,592
And also UA at the
time was fantastic.
1691
01:15:52,634 --> 01:15:55,095
- And we weren't forced
into doing those movies.
1692
01:15:55,137 --> 01:15:57,013
We knew we wanted to do them.
1693
01:15:57,055 --> 01:15:59,808
- All of that group at UA
were very, very supportive
1694
01:15:59,850 --> 01:16:01,726
of making the kinds
of pictures we thought
1695
01:16:01,768 --> 01:16:03,687
were gonna be the the norm.
1696
01:16:03,728 --> 01:16:06,022
- I mean, when we did
"Apocalypse" and "Raging Bull"
1697
01:16:06,064 --> 01:16:08,191
and all those things,
it was a different era.
1698
01:16:08,233 --> 01:16:13,238
There was a time when you
did one or two big movies
1699
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:15,574
which anchored your
program of movies.
1700
01:16:15,615 --> 01:16:19,202
Now they make five of
them, and so what's left?
1701
01:16:19,244 --> 01:16:24,166
- But I've been able
somehow to navigate
1702
01:16:25,584 --> 01:16:27,794
that very, very thin margin
now of doing pictures
1703
01:16:27,836 --> 01:16:32,424
that I think I could put
myself into for two years
1704
01:16:32,465 --> 01:16:37,387
and devote that time and
get the backing for it.
1705
01:16:37,429 --> 01:16:39,931
The thing to tell very often
is that I could probably get
1706
01:16:39,973 --> 01:16:41,409
the backing now for
a number of pictures,
1707
01:16:41,433 --> 01:16:42,976
but it has to be their pictures.
1708
01:16:44,144 --> 01:16:45,329
- We were always
trying to make films,
1709
01:16:45,353 --> 01:16:46,956
we make a lot of money
so we could be rich
1710
01:16:46,980 --> 01:16:49,274
and then finance our
own little art films.
1711
01:16:49,316 --> 01:16:51,943
That was always the model
that we were trying.
1712
01:16:51,985 --> 01:16:55,530
- How can I just, I was
telling myself, survive
1713
01:16:57,115 --> 01:16:58,783
in that milieu?
1714
01:16:58,825 --> 01:17:00,327
How can I do that?
1715
01:17:00,368 --> 01:17:02,430
And has that margin that we
talked about in the beginning
1716
01:17:02,454 --> 01:17:03,955
gotten even thinner?
1717
01:17:03,997 --> 01:17:07,584
And by doing that, when you
do that and there's that much
1718
01:17:07,626 --> 01:17:09,002
involved in selling a picture,
1719
01:17:09,044 --> 01:17:11,505
you have to be very careful
or you have to fight
1720
01:17:11,546 --> 01:17:15,008
very, very, very hard
to do what you want,
1721
01:17:15,050 --> 01:17:17,177
to do what you think is
right for the picture.
1722
01:17:17,219 --> 01:17:19,179
And that means you
battle everyone.
1723
01:17:19,221 --> 01:17:22,849
And very often the battling
is very, very civilized,
1724
01:17:22,891 --> 01:17:24,851
which is even harder sometimes,
1725
01:17:24,893 --> 01:17:28,563
because it always comes
down to the money.
1726
01:17:35,278 --> 01:17:36,506
- They're never gonna
give you the money with me
1727
01:17:36,530 --> 01:17:38,740
in the movie, you, me, and Neve,
1728
01:17:38,782 --> 01:17:41,076
what we've learned is
that ain't gonna happen.
1729
01:17:41,117 --> 01:17:44,621
I mean, they'll give us $4 and
50 cents to make that movie.
1730
01:17:48,041 --> 01:17:50,377
Those people who really
excel at this business,
1731
01:17:50,418 --> 01:17:54,589
and whether they're the creative
forces, behind the camera
1732
01:17:54,631 --> 01:17:56,511
or on camera, and even
in the business community
1733
01:17:56,550 --> 01:17:59,094
even more importantly,
how they thrive,
1734
01:17:59,136 --> 01:18:01,263
could they have achieved
this level of zen
1735
01:18:01,304 --> 01:18:04,933
where they move beyond all
information is good information,
1736
01:18:04,975 --> 01:18:06,285
whatever you give
me, I'm gonna deal,
1737
01:18:06,309 --> 01:18:08,270
I'm gonna judo what
you do in order for me
1738
01:18:08,311 --> 01:18:10,647
to move forward with
my course and my path.
1739
01:18:10,689 --> 01:18:12,649
When I was
around in the old days,
1740
01:18:12,691 --> 01:18:15,569
there were some people at
the top who supported me.
1741
01:18:16,528 --> 01:18:18,572
- John Calley.
- John Calley,
1742
01:18:18,613 --> 01:18:20,073
a number of people.
1743
01:18:20,115 --> 01:18:24,286
I don't feel that those in
power, not that they're bad,
1744
01:18:24,327 --> 01:18:27,164
it's they come from a
different time and place.
1745
01:18:27,205 --> 01:18:28,415
Absolutely.
1746
01:18:28,456 --> 01:18:30,333
How have those guys changed?
1747
01:18:30,375 --> 01:18:32,210
- They're not, they don't exist.
1748
01:18:32,252 --> 01:18:34,838
- It's like what Scorsese said.
1749
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:37,257
We have to learn to make
movies around these people.
1750
01:18:37,299 --> 01:18:39,509
- You see what's gonna
happen now, though,
1751
01:18:39,551 --> 01:18:40,778
is that we gotta get past them.
1752
01:18:40,802 --> 01:18:42,196
I mean, maybe not me,
I'm too old for it.
1753
01:18:42,220 --> 01:18:44,681
I've got my own thing,
I'm lucky to get a picture
1754
01:18:44,723 --> 01:18:45,849
made one more time, I mean,
1755
01:18:45,891 --> 01:18:47,642
to live and keep going
for a little while
1756
01:18:47,684 --> 01:18:49,144
and see what I can do.
1757
01:18:49,186 --> 01:18:51,038
Now you, there's gotta be
a way to make pictures.
1758
01:18:51,062 --> 01:18:54,191
You did it and you
continue to do it.
1759
01:18:54,232 --> 01:18:56,485
- Find individuals,
new individuals.
1760
01:18:56,526 --> 01:18:58,904
- New individuals, but
also new technology.
1761
01:18:58,945 --> 01:19:01,823
- Cinema is bigger than
all of this other stuff.
1762
01:19:01,865 --> 01:19:06,786
Cinema truly is an art form
given to us by the gods.
1763
01:19:07,954 --> 01:19:10,749
I've seen grown-up
men, people like, well,
1764
01:19:10,790 --> 01:19:13,835
Marty, or my friend
George, I mean,
1765
01:19:13,877 --> 01:19:16,671
just take two pieces of
film and put them together
1766
01:19:16,713 --> 01:19:18,882
differently than they
were and see that it means
1767
01:19:18,924 --> 01:19:21,009
something else and
just jump up and down,
1768
01:19:21,051 --> 01:19:24,262
enjoy with the magic of it.
1769
01:19:24,304 --> 01:19:27,390
So as long as it's
that, you follow that,
1770
01:19:27,432 --> 01:19:29,267
the other stuff isn't important.
1771
01:19:29,309 --> 01:19:33,271
- You find there are things
in the way and to stay angry
1772
01:19:33,313 --> 01:19:35,315
in a good way, which
is to, what is this,
1773
01:19:35,357 --> 01:19:37,335
this is getting in the way,
get rid of it, get rid of this,
1774
01:19:37,359 --> 01:19:38,586
get rid of that,
get rid of this.
1775
01:19:38,610 --> 01:19:40,821
You have to stay
true to that impulse
1776
01:19:40,862 --> 01:19:43,490
'cause there's nothing else,
especially as you get older.
1777
01:19:43,532 --> 01:19:46,076
- What's filmmaking
like for you now?
1778
01:19:46,117 --> 01:19:51,164
- Well, I would say it's
easier and easier to make it.
1779
01:19:53,166 --> 01:19:55,168
What's always
difficult is to get
1780
01:19:55,210 --> 01:19:59,089
the financing going
for everybody else.
1781
01:19:59,130 --> 01:20:01,550
- I'm looking forward
next to get to
1782
01:20:01,591 --> 01:20:03,260
different kinds of
equipment again.
1783
01:20:03,301 --> 01:20:05,470
To move away the
equipment, to move freer.
1784
01:20:05,512 --> 01:20:09,182
- Once I'm on the set,
once I start working
1785
01:20:09,224 --> 01:20:12,811
on the preparation, on
the editing, it flows.
1786
01:20:12,853 --> 01:20:15,355
And I try to simplify,
1787
01:20:15,397 --> 01:20:20,402
I don't have to look for some
kind of astonishing effect.
1788
01:20:21,862 --> 01:20:23,339
- Cinema now, luckily I
think, there are no more,
1789
01:20:23,363 --> 01:20:24,590
I don't think there
are any more categories
1790
01:20:24,614 --> 01:20:25,758
like a documentary, non-fiction.
1791
01:20:25,782 --> 01:20:27,242
It doesn't matter.
1792
01:20:27,284 --> 01:20:30,662
The idea of the shot, the
solid shot with a Bertolucci
1793
01:20:30,704 --> 01:20:35,250
or a Kubrick, or any great
cinema master is gone.
1794
01:20:38,170 --> 01:20:40,130
- Gone, yeah.
- It's been shattered.
1795
01:20:40,172 --> 01:20:42,507
Shattered, the shot
means nothing anymore.
1796
01:20:42,549 --> 01:20:44,092
You caught onto this quickly.
1797
01:20:44,134 --> 01:20:45,445
You understood it 'cause
you started doing it
1798
01:20:45,469 --> 01:20:48,138
with the video you went
to, you caught onto it.
1799
01:20:48,180 --> 01:20:49,598
- In black and white.
1800
01:20:49,639 --> 01:20:51,117
- It's a kind of a thing
where you never stop learning
1801
01:20:51,141 --> 01:20:53,810
because you physically
change, things happen.
1802
01:20:57,981 --> 01:20:59,941
But it's there's
such a difference
1803
01:20:59,983 --> 01:21:02,402
when it's a great
experience when you would,
1804
01:21:02,444 --> 01:21:03,838
- Is that what
you're still chasing?
1805
01:21:03,862 --> 01:21:05,462
- A good script, you
have to do shit now.
1806
01:21:05,489 --> 01:21:06,907
I mean, not shit, excuse me.
1807
01:21:06,948 --> 01:21:08,742
You know, I get down
on myself, I go,
1808
01:21:08,783 --> 01:21:12,204
Jesus Christ, you know,
I've never cheated anybody,
1809
01:21:13,747 --> 01:21:15,558
And I start going through
all this, oh, woe is me shit.
1810
01:21:15,582 --> 01:21:19,294
And what am I walking
around like a beggar here?
1811
01:21:20,504 --> 01:21:22,005
Why isn't anybody calling me?
1812
01:21:22,047 --> 01:21:23,465
I mean, you go through all that.
1813
01:21:23,507 --> 01:21:25,842
I mean, the bottom
line now is that
1814
01:21:25,884 --> 01:21:27,344
I'm happiest when I'm working,
1815
01:21:28,553 --> 01:21:30,031
And especially if it's
not something that
1816
01:21:30,055 --> 01:21:33,683
I can walk through, you know,
something, I like to work.
1817
01:21:33,725 --> 01:21:36,978
So obviously you have
struggled your health lately,
1818
01:21:37,020 --> 01:21:38,748
as you say, you didn't
make a movie for 10 years.
1819
01:21:38,772 --> 01:21:40,541
Was it part of it because
of your back problem?
1820
01:21:40,565 --> 01:21:41,525
- Yeah.
- Or was it all of it?
1821
01:21:41,566 --> 01:21:43,985
- It sounds a bit stupid.
1822
01:21:44,027 --> 01:21:49,032
I mean, I was obsessed
by recouping my back,
1823
01:21:49,783 --> 01:21:51,868
which was strange.
1824
01:21:51,910 --> 01:21:56,748
So I had three operations I
wanted to have and here I am.
1825
01:21:56,790 --> 01:22:00,085
Every operation was
worse and more pain
1826
01:22:01,419 --> 01:22:03,672
But who cares, now I
found out that I can do
1827
01:22:03,713 --> 01:22:05,298
a movie even on that.
1828
01:22:05,340 --> 01:22:06,883
So you're ready
to go back to work?
1829
01:22:06,925 --> 01:22:08,593
- I want to find
immediately another film
1830
01:22:08,635 --> 01:22:13,223
because I never felt
as good for 10 years.
1831
01:22:13,265 --> 01:22:15,600
Like in the shooting
this, me and you.
1832
01:22:17,144 --> 01:22:18,937
Going back to what I like to do,
1833
01:22:18,979 --> 01:22:22,149
going back to my
normalities to do film.
1834
01:22:22,190 --> 01:22:25,610
- I had in mind for years
and years doing a film
1835
01:22:25,652 --> 01:22:28,780
about my childhood on
the German occupation.
1836
01:22:28,822 --> 01:22:33,451
And I found "The Pianist"
book and I thought
1837
01:22:33,493 --> 01:22:38,498
that's quite well connected
with what I remember
1838
01:22:39,624 --> 01:22:43,086
without being
exactly what I know
1839
01:22:43,128 --> 01:22:47,424
because it was not the
Krakow ghetto where I was,
1840
01:22:48,341 --> 01:22:51,011
it was about Warsaw ghetto.
1841
01:22:51,052 --> 01:22:53,972
And I would never make the
film about Krakow ghetto.
1842
01:22:54,014 --> 01:22:56,850
- Why is that?
- Too close to home.
1843
01:22:56,892 --> 01:23:01,480
Once you make a movie
somewhere, you ruin it.
1844
01:23:01,521 --> 01:23:03,899
It's normal, your memory.
1845
01:23:03,940 --> 01:23:08,570
A memory, it's an
important part of my life.
1846
01:23:10,197 --> 01:23:12,073
- I'm never gonna make
a film as successful
1847
01:23:12,115 --> 01:23:14,409
as "The Godfather"
again, that's a fluke
1848
01:23:14,451 --> 01:23:16,203
for many reasons that happened.
1849
01:23:16,244 --> 01:23:19,247
So basically I started
anew from nothing.
1850
01:23:19,289 --> 01:23:21,875
"Twixt" was funny
because it bit me
1851
01:23:21,917 --> 01:23:23,752
because "Twixt" was
just gonna be fun.
1852
01:23:23,793 --> 01:23:26,838
But then the movie got
serious on me and that's when
1853
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:30,425
the film took its more
tragic turn as it were.
1854
01:23:30,467 --> 01:23:31,802
So I didn't have an ending.
1855
01:23:33,887 --> 01:23:35,555
In the script, I kept asking,
1856
01:23:35,597 --> 01:23:36,932
what's the end, what's the end?
1857
01:23:36,973 --> 01:23:39,601
He says, do you want
to really go there?
1858
01:23:39,643 --> 01:23:42,437
Because if you want to go
there, you can't come back.
1859
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:43,956
And I said, what are
you talking about?
1860
01:23:43,980 --> 01:23:47,108
He says, you are the ending
and you look in yourself
1861
01:23:47,150 --> 01:23:49,110
and you know what
I'm talking about.
1862
01:23:49,152 --> 01:23:50,987
- Then it is time
to face the truth,
1863
01:23:52,781 --> 01:23:56,535
to end this story
there is no other way.
1864
01:23:58,286 --> 01:24:00,872
- I never admitted to myself
1865
01:24:04,084 --> 01:24:07,170
what that scene is that
I should have gone,
1866
01:24:07,212 --> 01:24:08,463
I should have been there.
1867
01:24:08,505 --> 01:24:11,258
It was the weekend and I
was working on a movie,
1868
01:24:11,299 --> 01:24:13,510
and said, let's go,
we're gonna have boats.
1869
01:24:13,552 --> 01:24:14,695
I thought they
were little boats.
1870
01:24:14,719 --> 01:24:16,221
I thought they were pedal boats.
1871
01:24:18,348 --> 01:24:19,391
Had I been there,
1872
01:24:23,770 --> 01:24:25,939
had I been there, I don't
think it would've happened.
1873
01:24:29,901 --> 01:24:31,736
- And now you've had your drink.
1874
01:24:37,951 --> 01:24:39,953
- They shot Sonny
on the causeway.
1875
01:24:41,079 --> 01:24:42,079
He's dead.
1876
01:24:49,379 --> 01:24:53,258
- An alternative to
what you and I have been
1877
01:24:53,300 --> 01:24:58,221
talking about here is a movie
in which the essential subject
1878
01:24:59,639 --> 01:25:01,933
is the same, the characters,
the politics, the sex,
1879
01:25:01,975 --> 01:25:03,810
the background, the romance,
1880
01:25:03,852 --> 01:25:07,439
and all of the things
psychologically and emotionally,
1881
01:25:07,481 --> 01:25:08,607
- Psychology.
- But,
1882
01:25:09,858 --> 01:25:14,738
it is played against
a far more intimately
1883
01:25:14,779 --> 01:25:16,656
scaled down background.
1884
01:25:16,698 --> 01:25:19,993
In other words, it could
be that it's two people
1885
01:25:20,035 --> 01:25:23,330
who have come back from
the war and who are both
1886
01:25:23,371 --> 01:25:26,917
sort of lost and they are
living in whatever location
1887
01:25:26,958 --> 01:25:28,543
you want to put them in.
1888
01:25:28,585 --> 01:25:32,839
It is basically a domestic
setting, it is a local setting.
1889
01:25:32,881 --> 01:25:35,842
Work within a
financial framework.
1890
01:25:35,884 --> 01:25:39,012
Tell me how much money
you are going to give me
1891
01:25:39,054 --> 01:25:41,515
and I will devise the film.
1892
01:25:41,556 --> 01:25:46,561
It's a considerably larger
investment than the current one.
1893
01:25:48,230 --> 01:25:53,026
But would you guys be
interested in jumping in
1894
01:25:53,068 --> 01:25:58,031
and becoming either part
of or all of the financing
1895
01:26:00,367 --> 01:26:04,412
we seem to be pretty close to
getting for this next movie?
1896
01:26:05,580 --> 01:26:07,374
I'm looking at three guys, look,
1897
01:26:07,415 --> 01:26:10,126
it's as if this is
the parole board
1898
01:26:10,168 --> 01:26:12,087
and they've been told that I,
1899
01:26:12,128 --> 01:26:13,755
- And you're Sirhan Sirhan.
1900
01:26:13,797 --> 01:26:15,215
That's right, exactly.
1901
01:26:15,257 --> 01:26:16,007
- And you're never getting out.
1902
01:26:16,049 --> 01:26:16,925
- That's right.
1903
01:26:16,967 --> 01:26:19,886
For all I know, you would be
1904
01:26:19,928 --> 01:26:23,265
deeply damaged by a loss
of money in that area
1905
01:26:23,306 --> 01:26:25,267
or it might not
even be noticeable.
1906
01:26:25,308 --> 01:26:26,768
It's not for me to say.
1907
01:26:26,810 --> 01:26:30,313
Money is the one thing people
lie about, people conceal,
1908
01:26:30,355 --> 01:26:31,815
everything else is open.
1909
01:26:31,857 --> 01:26:34,442
They'll talk about their
gallbladder, their affairs,
1910
01:26:34,484 --> 01:26:37,487
the crimes they committed,
the drugs they've taken,
1911
01:26:37,529 --> 01:26:41,324
the times they passed out
from alcoholic poisoning.
1912
01:26:41,366 --> 01:26:43,743
- Originally, we were
gonna do it in Iraq.
1913
01:26:43,785 --> 01:26:46,997
And finally Jimmy has
this brainstorm, he says,
1914
01:26:47,038 --> 01:26:48,248
we don't need to go to Tikrit.
1915
01:26:48,290 --> 01:26:49,892
He goes, let's have them
come back from Iraq.
1916
01:26:49,916 --> 01:26:51,185
And they're completely
shell shocked
1917
01:26:51,209 --> 01:26:52,752
and ravaged by the experience.
1918
01:26:52,794 --> 01:26:54,212
We wanna make that film.
1919
01:26:54,254 --> 01:26:55,398
Jimmy's gonna write this film.
1920
01:26:55,422 --> 01:26:57,048
- Are you gonna finance that?
1921
01:26:57,090 --> 01:27:01,261
- Let's face it, this is much
more sexy and emotionally,
1922
01:27:01,303 --> 01:27:02,512
sure, I want to do it.
1923
01:27:02,554 --> 01:27:04,031
- With you, it is all,
- It's a lot more fun.
1924
01:27:04,055 --> 01:27:06,850
- Yeah, it is more fun.
- It is more fun.
1925
01:27:06,892 --> 01:27:08,035
- There's two ways of doing it,
1926
01:27:08,059 --> 01:27:09,978
from the emotional standpoint
1927
01:27:10,020 --> 01:27:12,063
and from the
risk-reward standpoint.
1928
01:27:12,105 --> 01:27:14,733
So you have to do due
diligence on everything.
1929
01:27:14,774 --> 01:27:16,860
- Sounds like a
good idea. I mean,
1930
01:27:16,902 --> 01:27:18,361
I think I'd have
to sit down and...
1931
01:27:18,403 --> 01:27:20,155
How much will you
give us to make the movie?
1932
01:27:20,197 --> 01:27:23,408
You know,
you could get $25 million
1933
01:27:23,450 --> 01:27:24,576
for that movie just by...
1934
01:27:24,618 --> 01:27:25,761
- Let's square the
deal right now.
1935
01:27:25,785 --> 01:27:27,204
- Oh my God.
1936
01:27:27,245 --> 01:27:28,955
- Let me write,
1937
01:27:31,416 --> 01:27:33,376
let me write the amount
of money that I'm willing
1938
01:27:33,418 --> 01:27:34,669
to give it to you.
- Okay.
1939
01:27:34,711 --> 01:27:36,379
- But you can't open
it until afterwards.
1940
01:27:36,421 --> 01:27:37,672
- Okay.
- Okay.
1941
01:27:37,714 --> 01:27:40,675
- Okay.
- Yeah.
1942
01:27:47,808 --> 01:27:50,227
- How much more of this
are we gonna do, fellas?
1943
01:27:50,268 --> 01:27:51,728
You get that lightning
bolt in there?
1944
01:27:51,770 --> 01:27:52,938
I bet you did.
1945
01:27:52,979 --> 01:27:54,147
How do you feel?
1946
01:27:54,189 --> 01:27:56,441
I must tell you, I'm optimistic.
1947
01:27:56,483 --> 01:27:57,609
Of course you are.
1948
01:27:57,651 --> 01:27:59,152
What else would I
expect from you?
1949
01:28:00,695 --> 01:28:04,908
I need to balance
your, how would you put it?
1950
01:28:04,950 --> 01:28:06,827
- Fondness for reality.
1951
01:28:06,868 --> 01:28:10,455
- Okay, look, Taki wrote
as much as you need.
1952
01:28:10,497 --> 01:28:11,873
- And you take him literally?
1953
01:28:11,915 --> 01:28:14,292
You don't think there's
a very large measure
1954
01:28:14,334 --> 01:28:16,586
of mischievousness
in his personality?
1955
01:28:16,628 --> 01:28:18,213
Absolutely,
but that doesn't mean
1956
01:28:18,255 --> 01:28:20,423
it extends to
funding our moving.
1957
01:28:20,465 --> 01:28:21,967
But even if it does,
1958
01:28:22,008 --> 01:28:25,345
we have our three "Seduced
and Abandoned" investors.
1959
01:28:25,387 --> 01:28:27,806
We have Medavoy's 25 million.
1960
01:28:27,848 --> 01:28:31,143
We have the prospect of
Gosling and Chastain.
1961
01:28:31,184 --> 01:28:33,562
What we have is
what we came here with,
1962
01:28:33,603 --> 01:28:35,689
which is hope.
1963
01:28:35,730 --> 01:28:38,692
That's not bad,
people lose hope all the time
1964
01:28:38,733 --> 01:28:40,527
and ours is intact.
- By the way,
1965
01:28:40,569 --> 01:28:45,073
the music for "Seduced
and Abandoned" must be
1966
01:28:45,115 --> 01:28:48,743
Shostakovich, the dark
poetic beauty of the fifth,
1967
01:28:48,785 --> 01:28:52,372
juxtaposed with the
perversely playful waltzes.
1968
01:28:52,414 --> 01:28:56,418
It's as if Shostakovich
wrote these for you.
1969
01:28:56,459 --> 01:28:59,462
Fatality and elegance made one.
1970
01:29:11,808 --> 01:29:12,976
- I love you.
1971
01:29:17,147 --> 01:29:19,149
I wanna know your name.
1972
01:29:30,702 --> 01:29:32,120
- Let me ask you that,
1973
01:29:32,162 --> 01:29:34,372
I've been asking everybody
in the movie that,
1974
01:29:34,414 --> 01:29:38,376
and it's, I think of
it myself all the time,
1975
01:29:38,418 --> 01:29:41,671
are you, I know you love life
obviously, and you wanna live,
1976
01:29:41,713 --> 01:29:44,549
but are you afraid of death
or are you ready for death?
1977
01:29:45,550 --> 01:29:46,551
- Thanks a lot.
1978
01:29:50,472 --> 01:29:51,472
At 11:45.
1979
01:29:53,058 --> 01:29:55,143
- No, because I wanna be a mom.
1980
01:29:55,185 --> 01:29:57,562
- I don't think about
it, so I guess, must be.
1981
01:29:57,604 --> 01:29:59,540
- You're ready for death,
you can handle it, right?
1982
01:29:59,564 --> 01:30:01,817
You don't want it, but
you're not afraid of it.
1983
01:30:02,734 --> 01:30:04,736
- Yes, of course, if you say so.
1984
01:30:06,112 --> 01:30:07,715
- I mean, I know I could make
it into that death montage
1985
01:30:07,739 --> 01:30:08,990
and that's all I care about.
1986
01:30:09,032 --> 01:30:10,700
- I wanna make
another 50 movies.
1987
01:30:12,035 --> 01:30:14,079
Would you settle for four?
1988
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:17,040
- Not four, because
I make three a year.
1989
01:30:17,082 --> 01:30:19,000
- You're not gonna live
for another 60 years,
1990
01:30:19,042 --> 01:30:22,212
for another 50.
- What, get out of here.
1991
01:30:22,254 --> 01:30:26,633
- I was never really
willing to die
1992
01:30:26,675 --> 01:30:29,761
but I was always ready.
1993
01:30:29,803 --> 01:30:32,013
- To die, no, I'm
not ready to die.
1994
01:30:32,055 --> 01:30:33,783
- Still like to do a couple
things here and there.
1995
01:30:33,807 --> 01:30:35,559
- Maybe a little bit later on.
1996
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:36,953
- I don't like to
worry about my death.
1997
01:30:36,977 --> 01:30:40,105
It's gonna happen and
interrupt what it is I'm doing.
1998
01:30:41,523 --> 01:30:45,193
- Still struggling with the
religious aspects of it, yeah.
1999
01:30:47,445 --> 01:30:49,823
- No, I don't think I'm
ever gonna be ready to die.
2000
01:30:49,865 --> 01:30:51,700
Are you ready for death?
2001
01:30:52,951 --> 01:30:53,951
- No.
2002
01:30:54,703 --> 01:30:55,954
- Now shut up.
2003
01:30:55,996 --> 01:30:57,265
- He's asked every
God damn person.
2004
01:30:57,289 --> 01:30:59,082
- How the fuck could
you be ready to die?
2005
01:30:59,124 --> 01:31:01,751
I'd be awkward, though,
crack pipe and fucking.
2006
01:31:03,211 --> 01:31:04,462
What are you talking about?
2007
01:31:04,504 --> 01:31:05,898
- The only thing missing
from this movie is us
2008
01:31:05,922 --> 01:31:09,342
actually being in the intensive
care ward of a hospital
2009
01:31:09,384 --> 01:31:11,845
with some 95-year-old fucking
guy with tubes coming out
2010
01:31:11,887 --> 01:31:15,640
and Jimmy goes, are
you ready to die?
2011
01:31:15,682 --> 01:31:17,142
- I'm aware of it,
2012
01:31:17,184 --> 01:31:19,561
but I'm doing my best to put
it off as long as possible.
2013
01:31:19,603 --> 01:31:23,190
- I was on a plane and it
started to go down for a minute
2014
01:31:23,231 --> 01:31:24,417
and the things came out of the,
2015
01:31:24,441 --> 01:31:27,360
people were looking to
the person next to them
2016
01:31:27,402 --> 01:31:29,404
and trying to bond with that,
2017
01:31:29,446 --> 01:31:31,490
you're the person I die with.
2018
01:31:31,531 --> 01:31:34,326
And people were crying,
it was very dramatic.
2019
01:31:34,367 --> 01:31:37,287
And my instinct was
to finish my steak.
2020
01:31:38,538 --> 01:31:43,460
And I just started
really shoving my face.
2021
01:31:44,419 --> 01:31:46,755
- John Updike, very, very fine,
2022
01:31:46,796 --> 01:31:49,800
wonderful poet as well
as novelist, obviously,
2023
01:31:49,841 --> 01:31:51,468
and critic for that matter,
2024
01:31:51,510 --> 01:31:55,931
who died in his 70s, without
complaint, of cancer.
2025
01:31:55,972 --> 01:31:58,225
No one knew he was
sick, no, he knew.
2026
01:31:58,266 --> 01:32:00,936
This is what he wrote
shortly before he died.
2027
01:32:00,977 --> 01:32:02,604
It's called "Requiem."
2028
01:32:02,646 --> 01:32:06,441
It came to me the other
day, were I to die,
2029
01:32:06,483 --> 01:32:08,485
no one would say,
oh, what a shame,
2030
01:32:08,527 --> 01:32:13,490
so young, so full of
promise, depths, unplumbable.
2031
01:32:13,532 --> 01:32:17,077
Instead, a shrug
and tearless eyes
2032
01:32:17,118 --> 01:32:20,121
will greet my overdue demise.
2033
01:32:20,163 --> 01:32:22,999
The wide response
will be, I know,
2034
01:32:23,041 --> 01:32:25,085
I thought he died a while ago.
2035
01:32:25,126 --> 01:32:28,588
For life's a shabby subterfuge
2036
01:32:28,630 --> 01:32:33,468
and death is real
and dark and huge.
2037
01:32:33,510 --> 01:32:36,847
The shock of it will
register nowhere
2038
01:32:36,888 --> 01:32:38,390
but where it will occur.
2039
01:32:39,391 --> 01:32:40,642
- You know I love you.
2040
01:32:40,684 --> 01:32:42,477
- Yes.
- You know I have
2041
01:32:42,519 --> 01:32:43,579
deep feelings
- I know, I know.
2042
01:32:43,603 --> 01:32:44,396
- Of great, tremendous
love for you.
2043
01:32:44,437 --> 01:32:45,313
- Yes.
- And you just
2044
01:32:45,355 --> 01:32:46,565
added to the menu why.
2045
01:32:46,606 --> 01:32:49,067
You know, you're a very
good reader of poetry.
2046
01:32:49,109 --> 01:32:50,402
- Thank you.
- You're very good.
2047
01:32:50,443 --> 01:32:51,712
You read that beautifully.
- Thank you.
2048
01:32:51,736 --> 01:32:53,214
- You read that beautifully.
- Thank you.
2049
01:32:53,238 --> 01:32:55,490
Thank you.
- In spite of all your
2050
01:32:55,532 --> 01:32:58,493
self-destructive tendencies,
- Thank you.
2051
01:32:58,535 --> 01:33:00,412
- I adore you.
- Well, thank you.
2052
01:33:00,453 --> 01:33:02,080
Come on, you
know, you want to kiss him.
2053
01:33:04,291 --> 01:33:06,371
- I said, I adore you, I
didn't say I wanna fuck you.
2054
01:33:10,672 --> 01:33:14,843
- But that's part of
the beauty of film
2055
01:33:14,885 --> 01:33:19,723
is it conjures up notions
of finality, of death.
2056
01:33:20,932 --> 01:33:23,268
The movie ends and
it's like, it's over.
2057
01:33:23,310 --> 01:33:24,936
You're sitting
there in the dark,
2058
01:33:24,978 --> 01:33:28,106
but there's light and you are
alive as long as the movie
2059
01:33:28,148 --> 01:33:30,609
is on, and then all of a sudden.
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