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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:13,221 --> 00:00:15,932 ♪ Here I am, I'm Melvin Brooks ♪ 2 00:00:16,016 --> 00:00:18,977 ♪ I've come to stop the show ♪ 3 00:00:19,060 --> 00:00:20,145 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 4 00:00:20,228 --> 00:00:22,230 ♪ Just a ham who's minus looks ♪ 5 00:00:22,272 --> 00:00:24,441 ♪ But in your hearts I'll grow! ♪ 6 00:00:25,442 --> 00:00:28,111 ♪ I'll tell you gags I'll sing you songs ♪ 7 00:00:28,194 --> 00:00:31,114 ♪ Happy little snappy tunes That roll along ♪ 8 00:00:31,156 --> 00:00:33,825 ♪ I'm out of my mind So, won't you be kind ♪ 9 00:00:33,908 --> 00:00:35,118 ♪ And please love... ♪ 10 00:00:36,703 --> 00:00:39,205 ♪ Melvin Brooks ♪ 11 00:00:41,958 --> 00:00:42,959 All right. 12 00:00:43,001 --> 00:00:44,127 This is your home. 13 00:00:44,210 --> 00:00:45,503 You have a giant Buddha. 14 00:00:45,587 --> 00:00:47,213 -MEL BROOKS: Mm-hmm. -Why the Buddha? 15 00:00:47,297 --> 00:00:48,590 -Just for luck. -Just for luck. 16 00:00:48,631 --> 00:00:50,592 MEL: A house needs a Buddha, that's-- I can tell you that. 17 00:00:50,633 --> 00:00:51,926 JUDD APATOW: Every house needs a Buddha. 18 00:00:51,968 --> 00:00:53,845 How'd this get decorated? Who picked this? 19 00:00:53,928 --> 00:00:57,182 MEL: My late great wife, Anne Bancroft. 20 00:00:57,265 --> 00:00:59,768 She had good taste in everything except husbands. 21 00:00:59,809 --> 00:01:01,644 -(CHUCKLES) -♪ (GENTLE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 22 00:01:01,686 --> 00:01:04,731 JUDD: Is it important to you that people know your story? 23 00:01:04,814 --> 00:01:06,900 You care about the legacy. 24 00:01:06,983 --> 00:01:10,528 No, not so much about me, but about little, short, 25 00:01:10,612 --> 00:01:12,530 funny-looking Jews who are... 26 00:01:12,614 --> 00:01:14,991 trepidatious about entering show business. 27 00:01:15,075 --> 00:01:16,201 JUDD: Yeah. 28 00:01:16,284 --> 00:01:18,244 I said, if I can do it, you can do it. 29 00:01:18,328 --> 00:01:20,330 ♪ (THRILLING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 30 00:01:20,413 --> 00:01:23,333 Will you raise it up? Thank you, Phil. 31 00:01:27,796 --> 00:01:28,838 Mel Brooks. 32 00:01:28,922 --> 00:01:29,964 So, tell me, 33 00:01:30,006 --> 00:01:31,925 do you have any more questions about your favorite Jew? 34 00:01:32,008 --> 00:01:33,093 JUDD: Part of this for me is, 35 00:01:33,176 --> 00:01:36,221 almost everything I've done is copying you. 36 00:01:36,304 --> 00:01:37,555 -Oh, okay. Oh! -Whoa. 37 00:01:38,765 --> 00:01:41,851 JUDD: You're on TV. You're funny in the interviews. 38 00:01:41,893 --> 00:01:43,103 INTERVIEWER: It's also the first time. 39 00:01:43,186 --> 00:01:45,230 -(SNORES) -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 40 00:01:45,313 --> 00:01:46,689 I'm sorry. 41 00:01:46,773 --> 00:01:48,358 JUDD: You're doing The 2000 Year Old Man. 42 00:01:48,399 --> 00:01:50,193 You're kind of doing stand-ups. 43 00:01:50,276 --> 00:01:54,030 ...is what has kept you alive for 2,000 years? 44 00:01:54,114 --> 00:01:56,199 -An enormous fear of death. -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 45 00:01:56,282 --> 00:01:57,242 (SCREAMING) 46 00:01:57,325 --> 00:01:58,535 JUDD: You're directing the movies, 47 00:01:58,618 --> 00:02:00,370 you're acting in the movies, you're writing the movies. 48 00:02:00,411 --> 00:02:02,872 Work, work, work, work, work, work, work, work, work. 49 00:02:02,914 --> 00:02:04,374 Hello, boys. Have a good night's rest? 50 00:02:04,415 --> 00:02:05,625 I missed you. 51 00:02:05,708 --> 00:02:08,044 JUDD: To a lot of people who went into comedy... 52 00:02:08,086 --> 00:02:09,254 It's good to be the king. 53 00:02:09,337 --> 00:02:10,922 JUDD: ...they thought, "That seems 54 00:02:11,005 --> 00:02:12,382 like the best job in the world..." 55 00:02:12,465 --> 00:02:14,008 -MEL: Yeah. -JUDD: "...the Mel Brooks job." 56 00:02:14,843 --> 00:02:16,386 I'm glad nobody took it. 57 00:02:16,469 --> 00:02:17,720 -No one was as good. -MEL: Yeah. 58 00:02:17,804 --> 00:02:19,556 You couldn't be replaced, but you could be copied. 59 00:02:19,597 --> 00:02:22,058 -I'm working for Mel Brooks. -♪ (THRILLING MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 60 00:02:22,100 --> 00:02:25,270 (INDISTINCT SHOUTING) 61 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,482 ♪ (THRILLING MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 62 00:02:32,986 --> 00:02:34,404 Mel Brooks. 63 00:02:36,948 --> 00:02:38,199 (VOCALIZING) 64 00:02:39,075 --> 00:02:40,368 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 65 00:02:44,831 --> 00:02:46,624 JUDD: You've done a lot of interviews. 66 00:02:46,708 --> 00:02:50,253 How accurate are the great stories? 67 00:02:50,336 --> 00:02:52,505 -They're inaccurate completely. -JUDD: Yeah. 68 00:02:52,589 --> 00:02:54,090 And do you feel like you've had to create 69 00:02:54,132 --> 00:02:56,885 a public persona of Mel Brooks? 70 00:02:56,926 --> 00:02:58,720 I've done a lot-- I did a lot of interviews. 71 00:02:58,761 --> 00:03:00,763 Half of them were just completely fake. 72 00:03:00,805 --> 00:03:02,891 JUDD: Do you think people know who you really are? 73 00:03:02,932 --> 00:03:04,267 -No. -(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 74 00:03:04,350 --> 00:03:06,102 Mel, why did you become a comedian? 75 00:03:06,144 --> 00:03:07,228 -Sex. -MICHAEL ASPEL: I see. 76 00:03:07,270 --> 00:03:08,938 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 77 00:03:08,980 --> 00:03:11,941 I thought I'd get some if I got into show business. 78 00:03:12,025 --> 00:03:14,944 And I danced my way into the hearts of many women. 79 00:03:14,986 --> 00:03:16,196 (GUEST CHUCKLING) 80 00:03:16,279 --> 00:03:18,031 A lot of them had to go to the hospital. 81 00:03:18,114 --> 00:03:19,866 You don't dance your way into a human heart. 82 00:03:19,949 --> 00:03:22,118 There's a lot of surgery that has to be... 83 00:03:22,202 --> 00:03:24,120 (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 84 00:03:24,204 --> 00:03:27,457 MEL: The name I was born with was Melvin Kaminsky. 85 00:03:27,540 --> 00:03:29,167 JUDD: You grew up in Brooklyn. 86 00:03:29,250 --> 00:03:31,628 MEL: 365 South Third Street. 87 00:03:31,669 --> 00:03:34,297 MICHAEL: It is true, is it not, that you were from humble surroundings? 88 00:03:34,339 --> 00:03:35,298 Yes, yes. 89 00:03:35,381 --> 00:03:37,842 You lost your father at an early age, didn't you? 90 00:03:37,926 --> 00:03:38,968 No, no. 91 00:03:39,052 --> 00:03:40,637 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 92 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,222 My father died. 93 00:03:42,305 --> 00:03:44,015 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 94 00:03:44,098 --> 00:03:49,312 (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 95 00:03:49,395 --> 00:03:50,605 Michael, if we'd lost him, 96 00:03:50,647 --> 00:03:52,190 we would have sent people out to find him. 97 00:03:52,273 --> 00:03:53,816 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 98 00:03:53,900 --> 00:03:57,403 -JUDD: And who is this lady? -MEL: That's Kitty Kaminsky. 99 00:03:57,487 --> 00:04:01,366 She lost her husband when he was only 34, my father. 100 00:04:01,449 --> 00:04:03,993 Tuberculosis swept through New York 101 00:04:04,035 --> 00:04:05,495 and he was taken. 102 00:04:06,913 --> 00:04:09,123 Terrible. And so she... 103 00:04:09,999 --> 00:04:11,876 She took care of four boys by herself. 104 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,336 JUDD: She looks tough. 105 00:04:13,378 --> 00:04:14,379 MEL: She was. 106 00:04:14,462 --> 00:04:16,923 But she was good-natured, and she sang a lot. 107 00:04:17,006 --> 00:04:18,841 I remember when, in the winter, 108 00:04:18,925 --> 00:04:20,718 she dressed me under the covers 109 00:04:20,802 --> 00:04:22,595 so when I popped out of bed, I'd be warm. 110 00:04:22,679 --> 00:04:23,763 JUDD: Yeah. (CHUCKLES) 111 00:04:23,846 --> 00:04:25,348 So, she dressed me under the covers. 112 00:04:25,390 --> 00:04:27,934 I was about five years old, 113 00:04:28,017 --> 00:04:29,727 ready to go to kindergarten, 114 00:04:29,811 --> 00:04:34,524 and Bing Crosby was on from 8:00 to 8:15 on the radio. 115 00:04:34,607 --> 00:04:36,025 She'd sing along. 116 00:04:36,067 --> 00:04:37,944 -♪ She was selling china ♪ -♪ (BING CROSBY SINGING IN BACKGROUND) ♪ 117 00:04:38,027 --> 00:04:42,365 MEL: ♪ And when she caught my eye I kept buying china ♪ 118 00:04:42,448 --> 00:04:44,158 ♪ Until the crowd got... ♪ 119 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,120 BING CROSBY: ♪ I kept buying china... ♪ 120 00:04:47,203 --> 00:04:49,289 JUDD: And that put the love of that kind of music in you. 121 00:04:49,372 --> 00:04:50,415 -Right? -MEL: Oh, yeah. 122 00:04:50,498 --> 00:04:53,084 She filled me with music right from the beginning. 123 00:04:53,167 --> 00:04:57,588 She raised our spirits with her ever-positive outlook on life. 124 00:04:57,672 --> 00:04:59,590 ♪ ("I FOUND A MILLION DOLLAR BABY" BY BING CROSBY PLAYING) ♪ 125 00:04:59,674 --> 00:05:01,926 JUDD: And so, raising four kids in the Depression, 126 00:05:02,010 --> 00:05:03,720 how did your family just survive? 127 00:05:03,803 --> 00:05:05,221 MEL: Survive? Aunt Sadie. 128 00:05:05,305 --> 00:05:07,432 Aunt Sadie, God bless her. 129 00:05:07,515 --> 00:05:10,351 Sadie not only gave her part of her salary, but... 130 00:05:11,269 --> 00:05:14,063 helped my mother earn something 131 00:05:14,105 --> 00:05:16,399 like 12 or 15 dollars a week. 132 00:05:16,441 --> 00:05:18,609 And I don't know how she could do that, 133 00:05:18,693 --> 00:05:19,694 get to sleep, 134 00:05:19,736 --> 00:05:22,405 wake up before her four boys, 135 00:05:22,447 --> 00:05:24,407 and prepare breakfast, you know? 136 00:05:24,490 --> 00:05:25,992 And we had a real breakfast. 137 00:05:26,075 --> 00:05:28,411 I remember we never had bacon 138 00:05:28,494 --> 00:05:30,747 because my grandmother lived next door. 139 00:05:30,788 --> 00:05:31,831 JUDD: Yeah. (CHUCKLES) 140 00:05:31,914 --> 00:05:33,750 And if she ever walked in and saw bacon, 141 00:05:33,791 --> 00:05:35,585 we'd all be arrested, you know? 142 00:05:35,626 --> 00:05:38,755 -♪ ...and ten cent store ♪ -♪ (SONG CONCLUDES) ♪ 143 00:05:38,796 --> 00:05:42,425 ♪ (PLAYFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 144 00:05:42,467 --> 00:05:44,927 MEL: The movies to me were the great escape. 145 00:05:44,969 --> 00:05:47,472 The smell of the lamp from the screen, 146 00:05:47,555 --> 00:05:48,514 the candy. 147 00:05:48,598 --> 00:05:50,266 CONAN O'BRIEN: Who were you watching? 148 00:05:50,308 --> 00:05:52,769 Who was funny to you when you were a kid? 149 00:05:52,810 --> 00:05:54,103 MEL: Buster Keaton. 150 00:05:55,438 --> 00:05:56,564 Charlie Chaplin. 151 00:05:57,398 --> 00:05:58,649 CONAN: Did you like the Marx Brothers? 152 00:05:58,733 --> 00:06:00,985 How do you like that? I haven't been on the job five minutes 153 00:06:01,069 --> 00:06:02,362 and already she's making advances to me. 154 00:06:02,445 --> 00:06:03,363 MEL: I love them. 155 00:06:03,446 --> 00:06:05,281 Not that I care, but where is your husband? 156 00:06:05,365 --> 00:06:06,657 Why, he's dead. 157 00:06:06,741 --> 00:06:08,451 I'll bet he's just using that as an excuse. 158 00:06:08,534 --> 00:06:10,995 CONAN: There's something about what they're doing 159 00:06:11,079 --> 00:06:15,291 that always has felt evocative to me about you, which is... 160 00:06:15,333 --> 00:06:16,334 Anarchy. 161 00:06:16,417 --> 00:06:18,795 Oh, I get it! The old mortgage on the farm. 162 00:06:18,878 --> 00:06:20,129 ♪ (SINGING INDISTINCTLY) ♪ 163 00:06:20,171 --> 00:06:22,548 MEL: I also liked the Ritz Brothers. 164 00:06:23,257 --> 00:06:24,634 They were sensational. 165 00:06:24,717 --> 00:06:26,886 They danced in unison. 166 00:06:26,969 --> 00:06:28,262 They sang. 167 00:06:28,846 --> 00:06:30,431 When you watch Jerry Lewis 168 00:06:30,473 --> 00:06:33,851 or countless great physical comics, 169 00:06:33,935 --> 00:06:35,978 they're doing... (IMITATES SOUND EFFECTS) 170 00:06:36,020 --> 00:06:37,480 They're doing, "Harry..." 171 00:06:38,356 --> 00:06:39,816 "I'll tell you the truth." 172 00:06:39,899 --> 00:06:41,984 (IMITATES SQUEAK, BLOWS RASPBERRY) It's Harry Ritz. 173 00:06:42,068 --> 00:06:43,319 Here you are, sir. 174 00:06:44,821 --> 00:06:48,408 BEN STILER: Growing up in that generation in the 1930s, 175 00:06:48,491 --> 00:06:49,909 {\an8}I know on my dad's side 176 00:06:49,992 --> 00:06:51,744 {\an8}how much fighting there was about 177 00:06:51,828 --> 00:06:53,496 {\an8}you know, just paying the bills 178 00:06:53,579 --> 00:06:55,665 and just surviving. 179 00:06:55,706 --> 00:06:57,250 So, you know, 180 00:06:57,333 --> 00:07:00,962 the comedy instinct to get away from all that pain, 181 00:07:01,003 --> 00:07:03,005 I think, is a very strong thing. 182 00:07:03,047 --> 00:07:05,174 And they both came out of a background 183 00:07:05,258 --> 00:07:07,385 where nobody was probably saying to them, 184 00:07:07,468 --> 00:07:11,180 "Hey, go be a movie star and make movies." 185 00:07:11,264 --> 00:07:13,516 I know my dad's dad was saying, 186 00:07:13,558 --> 00:07:15,852 you should be a stagehand. He told him that. 187 00:07:15,893 --> 00:07:18,563 Um... 'cause that was like, it's like saying like, 188 00:07:18,646 --> 00:07:19,939 "Go and..." you know, 189 00:07:20,022 --> 00:07:21,357 "Go fly to the moon." 190 00:07:21,441 --> 00:07:22,900 You know, it was that realistic. 191 00:07:22,984 --> 00:07:25,027 Everybody's gone on about you being 192 00:07:25,111 --> 00:07:27,572 this short Jewish chap from poor tenement. 193 00:07:27,655 --> 00:07:28,698 -Right? -Right, right. 194 00:07:28,781 --> 00:07:30,199 MAVIS NICHOLSON: And so from that, 195 00:07:30,283 --> 00:07:33,077 it could be that you didn't have a superiority complex, 196 00:07:33,161 --> 00:07:35,913 or even just an ability to see yourself as you are. 197 00:07:35,997 --> 00:07:37,290 -But you did. -I did. 198 00:07:37,373 --> 00:07:39,459 I was able to make all the guys on the block laugh. 199 00:07:39,542 --> 00:07:42,712 I was able to tell the stories. I was the commentator on life. 200 00:07:42,795 --> 00:07:45,548 I was the Jiminy Cricket to their Pinocchio. 201 00:07:45,590 --> 00:07:47,800 I was the comic conscience of my neighborhood. 202 00:07:47,884 --> 00:07:49,635 And I always felt adored. 203 00:07:49,719 --> 00:07:53,389 And I think that given a lot of love as a child, 204 00:07:53,431 --> 00:07:55,558 it was the need to continue it. 205 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,602 So, I never really did feel inferior, 206 00:07:57,685 --> 00:07:59,061 though I had every right to, 207 00:07:59,103 --> 00:08:00,563 looking at myself in the mirror. 208 00:08:00,646 --> 00:08:02,899 But I never did, I never felt inferior. 209 00:08:02,940 --> 00:08:04,734 -(HORN BLARING) -♪ (UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 210 00:08:04,775 --> 00:08:06,736 MEL: 365 South Third Street 211 00:08:06,819 --> 00:08:09,030 had 22 apartments. 212 00:08:09,071 --> 00:08:11,532 Every single apartment 213 00:08:11,574 --> 00:08:14,202 contributed one or two members 214 00:08:14,243 --> 00:08:15,912 to the Garment Center. 215 00:08:16,787 --> 00:08:19,081 My friend Moshy Brown once said, 216 00:08:19,165 --> 00:08:20,750 "So, what do you think you'll be? 217 00:08:20,791 --> 00:08:22,168 You think you'll be a comic?" 218 00:08:22,710 --> 00:08:24,378 I said, "No, 219 00:08:24,420 --> 00:08:26,088 I think I'm doomed." 220 00:08:26,172 --> 00:08:27,840 "I think we're all... 221 00:08:28,716 --> 00:08:31,844 heading... for Seventh Avenue," 222 00:08:32,512 --> 00:08:34,931 which was the Garment Center. 223 00:08:35,014 --> 00:08:40,728 JUDD: So, what was the big break that got you into comedy? 224 00:08:41,938 --> 00:08:43,397 I actually got into show business 225 00:08:43,439 --> 00:08:44,815 because there was a guy in my neighborhood 226 00:08:44,899 --> 00:08:45,942 by the name of Don Appell. 227 00:08:46,025 --> 00:08:48,319 {\an8}He started in the Borscht Belt, which is, 228 00:08:48,402 --> 00:08:49,487 {\an8}for those of you 229 00:08:49,570 --> 00:08:52,406 of some exotic persuasion, 230 00:08:52,448 --> 00:08:53,449 like Catholic... 231 00:08:53,533 --> 00:08:55,284 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 232 00:08:55,368 --> 00:08:57,286 ...the Borscht Belt is a place in the Jewish Catskills, 233 00:08:57,328 --> 00:08:58,704 right outside of New York City. 234 00:08:58,788 --> 00:09:02,416 ♪ We're gonna hitchhike Up to the Catskills ♪ 235 00:09:02,458 --> 00:09:03,834 MEL: The Borscht Belt was a starting point 236 00:09:03,918 --> 00:09:05,211 for the careers 237 00:09:05,294 --> 00:09:07,463 -of a lot of Jewish comics. -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 238 00:09:07,547 --> 00:09:10,091 MEL: So, in the summer of 1941, 239 00:09:10,132 --> 00:09:13,010 Don used his influence to get me a job 240 00:09:13,094 --> 00:09:14,804 at the Butler Lodge. 241 00:09:14,845 --> 00:09:17,640 I was sent there as a busboy 242 00:09:18,224 --> 00:09:21,018 with... a caveat 243 00:09:21,102 --> 00:09:23,646 that if an actor broke a leg or something, 244 00:09:23,688 --> 00:09:25,147 I could take his place. 245 00:09:25,231 --> 00:09:26,691 You're an understudy busboy. 246 00:09:26,774 --> 00:09:27,900 Understudy busboy. 247 00:09:27,984 --> 00:09:29,902 Tonight is as appropriate as any. 248 00:09:29,986 --> 00:09:32,738 MEL: And I loved all the comics in the mountains, you know? 249 00:09:32,822 --> 00:09:34,657 People like Myron Cohen. 250 00:09:34,740 --> 00:09:36,993 For example, this adorable little eight-year-old girl... 251 00:09:37,034 --> 00:09:38,202 That was my dream. 252 00:09:38,286 --> 00:09:41,163 ...walked into a bakery shop and said to the baker, 253 00:09:41,205 --> 00:09:44,375 "My mommy found a fly in the raisin bread." 254 00:09:44,458 --> 00:09:45,501 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 255 00:09:45,585 --> 00:09:48,337 He says, "So bring back the fly, I'll give you a raisin." 256 00:09:48,379 --> 00:09:50,548 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 257 00:09:50,631 --> 00:09:52,383 JUDD: But not every kid sees that 258 00:09:52,466 --> 00:09:54,093 and says, "I want to be like them." 259 00:09:54,176 --> 00:09:56,387 Well, it was the response of it. 260 00:09:56,470 --> 00:09:58,389 The audience clapping and laughing 261 00:09:58,472 --> 00:09:59,932 and joy in their face. 262 00:10:00,016 --> 00:10:03,185 I said, "Could there be a better job than this?" 263 00:10:03,728 --> 00:10:06,522 Anyway, I got my dream. 264 00:10:07,857 --> 00:10:09,692 Life. Life is... 265 00:10:10,484 --> 00:10:11,986 can turn on you in a second. 266 00:10:12,945 --> 00:10:14,155 One of the actors 267 00:10:14,196 --> 00:10:16,449 in a play called Uncle Harry. 268 00:10:16,532 --> 00:10:18,659 Uncle Harry. He fell in a hole. 269 00:10:18,701 --> 00:10:20,411 That is the truth. He was walking. 270 00:10:20,494 --> 00:10:21,954 He didn't see the hole. He fell in the... 271 00:10:22,038 --> 00:10:23,205 Nobody really falls into a hole. 272 00:10:23,247 --> 00:10:24,915 Yeah, he fell in a hole. (CHUCKLES) Nobody-- 273 00:10:24,999 --> 00:10:26,792 And he fell in a hole. He banged himself up, 274 00:10:26,876 --> 00:10:28,628 and he couldn't do the show that night. 275 00:10:28,711 --> 00:10:29,879 So, they called me. 276 00:10:29,962 --> 00:10:30,880 I knew his lines. 277 00:10:30,963 --> 00:10:32,590 "There, there, Harry. 278 00:10:32,673 --> 00:10:34,175 Have a seat. Relax." 279 00:10:34,216 --> 00:10:35,593 (GASPS) "He knows the words!" 280 00:10:35,676 --> 00:10:37,720 I knew the words of everybody in the cast. 281 00:10:37,803 --> 00:10:40,056 -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) -I wanted to be an actor. 282 00:10:40,139 --> 00:10:41,474 MEL: So, they made me up. 283 00:10:41,557 --> 00:10:44,602 They gave me a big wig, gave me a beard. 284 00:10:44,685 --> 00:10:46,187 Play's going on. 285 00:10:46,228 --> 00:10:49,732 Curtain is up in scene two. I'm at my desk. 286 00:10:49,774 --> 00:10:51,067 "There, there, Harry." 287 00:10:51,108 --> 00:10:52,234 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 288 00:10:52,318 --> 00:10:53,778 "Don't be nervous." 289 00:10:53,861 --> 00:10:55,112 "Have some water 290 00:10:55,196 --> 00:10:57,615 and tell me in your own--" Crash! 291 00:10:57,698 --> 00:10:59,241 -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) -(CHUCKLES) 292 00:10:59,283 --> 00:11:01,118 I dropped that glass of water. 293 00:11:01,202 --> 00:11:02,995 -(CHUCKLES) -MEL: I mean.. 294 00:11:03,079 --> 00:11:05,581 I walked down to the footlights. 295 00:11:05,665 --> 00:11:09,251 I take my hump out. I take my wig off. 296 00:11:09,335 --> 00:11:12,588 Take my beard. I said, "I'm 14. I've never done this." 297 00:11:12,630 --> 00:11:14,632 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 298 00:11:14,715 --> 00:11:17,301 I knew then, "Okay, that's it." 299 00:11:17,385 --> 00:11:20,012 You got that laugh, and that's a chemical reaction. 300 00:11:20,096 --> 00:11:21,430 MEL: That's it. It said... 301 00:11:21,514 --> 00:11:24,600 (IMITATES MYSTICAL VOICE) "You were meant not for the Garment Center, 302 00:11:24,642 --> 00:11:26,602 but to make people laugh. 303 00:11:26,644 --> 00:11:29,689 Go forth from this place, Melvin, 304 00:11:29,772 --> 00:11:31,524 and make people happy. 305 00:11:31,607 --> 00:11:32,942 Make them laugh, 306 00:11:33,025 --> 00:11:35,945 and you'll get a lot more money than the Garment Center." 307 00:11:36,028 --> 00:11:37,279 (LAUGHS) 308 00:11:38,531 --> 00:11:41,575 ♪ (LIVELY MUSIC PLAYING OVER SPEAKER) ♪ 309 00:11:45,079 --> 00:11:46,747 Always keep the beat. 310 00:11:46,789 --> 00:11:48,708 I'm always in the center of the beat. 311 00:11:50,876 --> 00:11:52,586 MEL: (OVER RECORDING) I was a drummer. 312 00:11:52,628 --> 00:11:55,631 A tidbit of information, only a few blocks away, 313 00:11:55,673 --> 00:11:57,675 Buddy Rich, the famous swing drummer, 314 00:11:57,758 --> 00:12:00,720 did teach me some rudimentary paradiddles, etcetera. 315 00:12:00,803 --> 00:12:03,055 Never wrong. Born to do it. 316 00:12:03,139 --> 00:12:04,557 INTERVIEWER: When did you start drumming? 317 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,058 MEL: When I was about 14 years. 318 00:12:06,142 --> 00:12:07,309 What I'm doing now is really 319 00:12:07,393 --> 00:12:08,811 the most important thing a drummer can do. 320 00:12:08,853 --> 00:12:11,313 Not show off, just... drive. 321 00:12:11,397 --> 00:12:14,650 MEL: I played weddings, bar mitzvahs, subway platforms, 322 00:12:14,734 --> 00:12:16,902 any place that would get a couple of bucks. 323 00:12:20,740 --> 00:12:22,366 TOM SNYDER: How did you get from the drums 324 00:12:22,450 --> 00:12:23,993 to standing up and doing the jokes? 325 00:12:24,034 --> 00:12:25,870 And don't tell me the comedian got sick one night 326 00:12:25,953 --> 00:12:26,996 and they called on you. 327 00:12:27,037 --> 00:12:28,831 One night the comedian got sick and they called on me. 328 00:12:28,873 --> 00:12:30,082 -(TOM LAUGHS) -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 329 00:12:30,166 --> 00:12:32,334 MEL: "Melvin the comic is sick and going..." 330 00:12:32,418 --> 00:12:34,378 When the comic fell ill, 331 00:12:34,462 --> 00:12:35,629 I, the drummer, 332 00:12:35,671 --> 00:12:39,008 knew all that bad material and jumped to the stage, 333 00:12:39,049 --> 00:12:41,051 and I did these kinds of jokes. 334 00:12:41,135 --> 00:12:43,220 Good evening, ladies and germs. 335 00:12:43,304 --> 00:12:44,847 Welcome to a bang-up variety show presented by 336 00:12:44,930 --> 00:12:47,183 and for the boys here at the Good Luck Inn. 337 00:12:47,266 --> 00:12:49,685 We have a swell lineup for tonight, loads of talent, 338 00:12:49,769 --> 00:12:51,437 lots of girls will be out in a minute. 339 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:52,688 Girls will be coming out. 340 00:12:52,772 --> 00:12:54,690 -Wait, wait, give me a break. -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 341 00:12:54,774 --> 00:12:58,194 And I'm gonna be your MC, that's short for "mental case." 342 00:12:58,235 --> 00:12:59,653 I just flew in from Chicago and... 343 00:12:59,695 --> 00:13:01,530 "Boy, are my arms tired." 344 00:13:01,614 --> 00:13:04,742 "I met a girl in Chicago that was so skinny..." 345 00:13:04,825 --> 00:13:06,035 So skinny, 346 00:13:06,076 --> 00:13:08,287 that I took her to a restaurant and the waiter said, 347 00:13:08,370 --> 00:13:09,538 "Check their umbrella." 348 00:13:09,580 --> 00:13:12,875 -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) -That's all. Lousy jokes, lousy. 349 00:13:12,958 --> 00:13:15,211 But I loved it. It was all junk, 350 00:13:15,961 --> 00:13:18,172 terrible stuff, but I loved it. 351 00:13:19,131 --> 00:13:20,674 ALAN YENTOB: Was there something special 352 00:13:20,716 --> 00:13:22,593 about being Jewish in Brooklyn at that time? 353 00:13:22,676 --> 00:13:23,886 No, everybody was. 354 00:13:23,928 --> 00:13:24,970 (ALAN CHUCKLING) 355 00:13:25,054 --> 00:13:26,388 Every single human being in Brooklyn 356 00:13:26,430 --> 00:13:27,598 was a Jew at that point, 357 00:13:27,681 --> 00:13:29,099 so there was nothing special about it. 358 00:13:29,183 --> 00:13:32,686 It was quite ordinary. It was a pedestrian thing to be. 359 00:13:32,728 --> 00:13:35,606 I mean, I went to Manhattan, and I met all these Gentiles, 360 00:13:35,689 --> 00:13:37,066 and it was a little frightening. 361 00:13:37,149 --> 00:13:38,734 That was frightening. I said, "My God, 362 00:13:38,818 --> 00:13:40,736 you mean there are other people besides Jews in the world?" 363 00:13:40,820 --> 00:13:41,862 I mean... 364 00:13:41,904 --> 00:13:45,324 So, we never felt any-- any, uh, anti-Semitism 365 00:13:45,407 --> 00:13:47,701 or any strangeness. 366 00:13:47,743 --> 00:13:50,371 Had we been transported to Nebraska or Kansas 367 00:13:50,412 --> 00:13:51,914 or Abilene, Texas, 368 00:13:51,956 --> 00:13:54,333 yes, we would have felt. They would have said, 369 00:13:54,416 --> 00:13:56,919 (WITH SOUTHERN ACCENT) "What the hell are that thing there talking in? 370 00:13:57,002 --> 00:13:58,420 In that Jew talk. 371 00:13:58,462 --> 00:14:00,840 And little. What the hell, so little itty-bitty people. 372 00:14:00,923 --> 00:14:04,051 They're so short, so funny. And they can count." 373 00:14:05,344 --> 00:14:06,971 "I got myself a Jew. 374 00:14:07,054 --> 00:14:10,432 I wanted an Airedale, but I got myself a Jew instead. 375 00:14:11,100 --> 00:14:13,102 And, uh, it do everything. 376 00:14:13,143 --> 00:14:14,603 It... It... 377 00:14:14,687 --> 00:14:16,355 Ostensibly, it's my accountant, 378 00:14:16,438 --> 00:14:18,148 but it's cuter than an accountant. 379 00:14:18,232 --> 00:14:20,609 It can count. It don't even need a pencil. 380 00:14:20,693 --> 00:14:22,695 It can count. You just... 381 00:14:22,778 --> 00:14:25,114 All you-- Every night, you just take a little matzos. 382 00:14:25,197 --> 00:14:27,533 That's what they eat, unleavened bread. 383 00:14:27,616 --> 00:14:30,119 You put that in their dish in a little water to soften up 384 00:14:30,202 --> 00:14:31,620 because they'll cut their gums. 385 00:14:31,704 --> 00:14:35,332 You don't want a little Jew bleeding all over your carpet. 386 00:14:35,416 --> 00:14:38,002 You give them the matzos, and the little Jews, 387 00:14:38,085 --> 00:14:39,378 and they love you for it. 388 00:14:39,461 --> 00:14:41,881 They love you for it. They're wonderful people." 389 00:14:41,964 --> 00:14:43,215 (FILM REEL WHIRRING) 390 00:14:43,299 --> 00:14:45,467 (AIRPLANE ENGINES ROARING) 391 00:14:45,551 --> 00:14:48,554 MEL: I knew I wanted to go into show business, 392 00:14:48,637 --> 00:14:50,848 but Hitler had started a war. 393 00:14:50,931 --> 00:14:53,684 -♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -MEL: I was 17 years old, 394 00:14:53,767 --> 00:14:55,603 and in my senior year, 395 00:14:55,644 --> 00:14:59,815 when I joined the Army Reserve trainees. 396 00:14:59,899 --> 00:15:02,484 JUDD: Everyone goes off to war. Did all your brothers go? 397 00:15:02,568 --> 00:15:06,363 Four blue stars on a flag in the window. 398 00:15:06,447 --> 00:15:07,823 -JUDD: Wow. -Can you believe that? 399 00:15:07,865 --> 00:15:09,617 -JUDD: And your mom is suddenly alone. -And... 400 00:15:09,658 --> 00:15:11,869 Suddenly she's alone and she's... 401 00:15:11,952 --> 00:15:14,330 praying every night for her boys... 402 00:15:14,413 --> 00:15:16,332 -JUDD: Wow. -...to survive the war. 403 00:15:18,167 --> 00:15:22,463 My brother Lenny was a hero, literally. 404 00:15:22,504 --> 00:15:26,050 He was a waist gunner in a B-17 bomber. 405 00:15:26,133 --> 00:15:29,345 He was shot down and he was a prisoner of war for 18 months. 406 00:15:29,428 --> 00:15:30,846 -JUDD: Wow. -It was difficult. 407 00:15:32,348 --> 00:15:34,850 I enlisted. That was the last good war. 408 00:15:34,892 --> 00:15:36,936 And I was going to kill all the Nazis. 409 00:15:37,019 --> 00:15:39,188 And I was sent by the army to VMI, 410 00:15:39,271 --> 00:15:42,066 the West Point of the South, Virginia Military Institute. 411 00:15:42,149 --> 00:15:43,817 And I was the only Jew 412 00:15:43,859 --> 00:15:46,195 that ever rode a horse and flashed a saber. 413 00:15:46,278 --> 00:15:48,447 INTERVIEWER: You're acutely aware of being Jewish. 414 00:15:48,530 --> 00:15:49,531 MEL: Yes, I am. 415 00:15:49,573 --> 00:15:52,242 And I was very aware of being different. 416 00:15:52,326 --> 00:15:54,870 I was very aware of our being treated differently. 417 00:15:54,954 --> 00:15:55,913 It was shocking 418 00:15:55,996 --> 00:15:57,539 because I didn't think we were different. 419 00:15:57,581 --> 00:15:59,249 INTERVIEWER: How were you treated differently? 420 00:15:59,333 --> 00:16:02,127 MEL: "You Jew bastard!" How's that for being treated? 421 00:16:02,211 --> 00:16:03,379 And a punch in the eye 422 00:16:03,462 --> 00:16:05,130 from a kid that I extended my hand to, 423 00:16:05,214 --> 00:16:06,799 I was gonna shake hands with. 424 00:16:06,882 --> 00:16:08,676 But I didn't flee and I didn't cry. 425 00:16:09,385 --> 00:16:10,636 I grabbed him 426 00:16:11,220 --> 00:16:12,596 and I hit him. 427 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,058 I beat him so badly that no one ever, 428 00:16:16,100 --> 00:16:18,060 ever again in that school 429 00:16:18,143 --> 00:16:20,020 went near me in a negative manner. 430 00:16:21,397 --> 00:16:26,068 I was sent from a provincial tenement in Brooklyn 431 00:16:26,110 --> 00:16:27,403 to France. 432 00:16:27,444 --> 00:16:31,407 1104th Engineer Combat Battalion. 433 00:16:31,448 --> 00:16:33,492 JUDD: And the Germans had just left France? 434 00:16:33,575 --> 00:16:34,576 MEL: Yeah. 435 00:16:34,660 --> 00:16:36,328 JUDD: And so your job was to make sure 436 00:16:36,412 --> 00:16:38,580 -they didn't leave behind booby traps? -MEL: Right. 437 00:16:38,664 --> 00:16:41,250 Forty-five degree angle with your bayonet, 438 00:16:41,291 --> 00:16:42,960 go through the soil, 439 00:16:43,043 --> 00:16:45,587 find, find, find. Dink, dink. 440 00:16:45,671 --> 00:16:46,922 Uh-oh. 441 00:16:47,006 --> 00:16:49,133 The first thing we learned, 442 00:16:49,216 --> 00:16:52,094 if you go to the bathroom, never pull the chain. 443 00:16:52,177 --> 00:16:53,971 -(JUDD CHUCKLES) -'Cause... 444 00:16:54,054 --> 00:16:56,265 that's one way ticket to death. 445 00:16:56,306 --> 00:17:01,186 They put dynamite attached to, you know, in the water closet. 446 00:17:01,270 --> 00:17:04,064 -JUDD: Yeah. -You pull that, boom. 447 00:17:04,106 --> 00:17:07,401 Had I been born six months earlier, 448 00:17:07,443 --> 00:17:10,446 I would have been in the Battle of the Bulge. 449 00:17:10,487 --> 00:17:12,614 So, we're very, very lucky. 450 00:17:13,157 --> 00:17:14,116 JUDD: And were you aware 451 00:17:14,199 --> 00:17:16,160 what was happening with the Holocaust? 452 00:17:16,243 --> 00:17:17,786 MEL: I heard rumors, but... 453 00:17:17,828 --> 00:17:20,330 no, not at all. 454 00:17:20,414 --> 00:17:22,958 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 455 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,627 JUDD: Now, you're in the paper during the war. 456 00:17:25,711 --> 00:17:27,296 It says, "A Star is Born." 457 00:17:27,379 --> 00:17:30,591 I left the engineers and went into show business, 458 00:17:30,632 --> 00:17:32,801 you know, army show business. 459 00:17:32,885 --> 00:17:34,136 JUDD: Head of the entertainment crew 460 00:17:34,219 --> 00:17:36,555 -for special services. -Exactly. 461 00:17:36,638 --> 00:17:38,974 JUDD: So, you recreated the Borscht Belt in Germany. 462 00:17:39,058 --> 00:17:41,769 MEL: I surrounded myself with German entertainers. 463 00:17:41,810 --> 00:17:43,062 JUDD: Were they upset with you 464 00:17:43,145 --> 00:17:44,521 'cause the city had been bombed, 465 00:17:44,605 --> 00:17:47,024 or were they happy to be freed from Hitler? 466 00:17:47,107 --> 00:17:48,484 MEL: They were happy to be freed 467 00:17:48,525 --> 00:17:49,818 from not having to send 468 00:17:49,860 --> 00:17:52,404 another boy to his grave. 469 00:17:52,488 --> 00:17:53,739 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 470 00:17:53,822 --> 00:17:54,823 The war changed me. 471 00:17:54,865 --> 00:17:58,160 Little by little, I would see where people lived, 472 00:17:58,202 --> 00:18:01,455 and I'd hear stories where families... 473 00:18:01,497 --> 00:18:03,916 were decimated, you know, the whole family. 474 00:18:04,500 --> 00:18:06,502 It wasn't good. 475 00:18:06,585 --> 00:18:09,171 JUDD: And how does that affect your sense of humor, 476 00:18:09,254 --> 00:18:10,881 to see so much tragedy? 477 00:18:11,965 --> 00:18:15,260 I don't know. Maybe I just tried to, uh... 478 00:18:16,553 --> 00:18:18,972 tried to... stuff it somewhere, 479 00:18:19,014 --> 00:18:20,182 you know? 480 00:18:21,308 --> 00:18:23,602 Finally, at 20, I was discharged. 481 00:18:24,353 --> 00:18:26,980 I missed my brothers, my mother. 482 00:18:27,022 --> 00:18:29,942 Twenty, you're still a baby boy. You're just a kid, you know? 483 00:18:30,025 --> 00:18:31,777 JUDD: That's a lot of life before 20. 484 00:18:31,860 --> 00:18:33,904 MEL: Yeah, it's a lot of life, right. 485 00:18:35,864 --> 00:18:37,282 NICHOLAS BROOKS: I remember my dad 486 00:18:37,366 --> 00:18:40,494 in my Grandma Kitty's apartment. 487 00:18:40,536 --> 00:18:44,039 {\an8}There was a little box of his war memorabilia, 488 00:18:44,081 --> 00:18:46,875 {\an8}and I remember he tried to put on his jacket 489 00:18:46,959 --> 00:18:48,752 that he had worn as a corporal. 490 00:18:48,836 --> 00:18:50,212 Didn't quite fit him. 491 00:18:50,254 --> 00:18:53,215 There was things he was able to share with me. 492 00:18:53,257 --> 00:18:56,051 For years after he, um-- 493 00:18:56,093 --> 00:18:58,720 he got back from Europe, 494 00:18:58,762 --> 00:19:01,557 when there was like a truck backfire, 495 00:19:01,598 --> 00:19:05,644 he would just have to fight not to hit the ground, you know? 496 00:19:06,562 --> 00:19:09,982 There was a little bit of that PTSD. 497 00:19:10,065 --> 00:19:12,442 I think that was part of his journey. 498 00:19:15,612 --> 00:19:17,990 MEL: (OVER RECORDING) My name is Melvin Kaminsky, 499 00:19:18,073 --> 00:19:21,243 and today is February 24th, 1947... 500 00:19:21,326 --> 00:19:22,911 MEL: If you don't get killed in the army, 501 00:19:22,995 --> 00:19:24,496 you can learn a lot. 502 00:19:24,580 --> 00:19:27,249 I reconnected with Don Appell. 503 00:19:27,291 --> 00:19:30,335 One of his discoveries when he was a social director, 504 00:19:30,419 --> 00:19:33,088 Sid Caesar was opening 505 00:19:33,172 --> 00:19:36,675 at the Copacabana as the leading comic. 506 00:19:36,758 --> 00:19:39,094 We bonded immediately. 507 00:19:39,178 --> 00:19:41,180 And if there was no Sid Caesar, 508 00:19:41,263 --> 00:19:43,807 there would never have been a Mel Brooks. 509 00:19:43,891 --> 00:19:45,100 Why don't you answer the phone? 510 00:19:45,142 --> 00:19:47,227 {\an8}What are you guys, a bunch of mice? 511 00:19:47,269 --> 00:19:49,146 {\an8}I'll answer the phone. 512 00:19:49,229 --> 00:19:50,772 {\an8}MEL: One day, Sid called me. 513 00:19:50,856 --> 00:19:52,024 "Mel, they want me 514 00:19:52,107 --> 00:19:53,817 to do this thing called television." 515 00:19:53,901 --> 00:19:55,068 Oh. 516 00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:56,945 Well, look, honey, we're right in the middle of a poker game. 517 00:19:56,987 --> 00:19:58,488 -That's right. -FRIEND 1: That's telling her. 518 00:19:58,572 --> 00:20:00,532 -FRIEND 2: Atta boy, Charlie. -FRIEND 3: That's telling her. 519 00:20:00,616 --> 00:20:02,576 Now, look, I can't do anything about that. 520 00:20:02,618 --> 00:20:04,786 Now, look, I... No, I'm sorry. Look. 521 00:20:04,828 --> 00:20:06,663 Look, we're in the middle of a poker game. 522 00:20:06,747 --> 00:20:08,123 Will you understand that? 523 00:20:08,165 --> 00:20:10,542 -FRIEND 1: That's telling her! -FRIEND 2: Tell her you're gonna be... 524 00:20:10,626 --> 00:20:13,378 Now, look. Look, once in a mile, 525 00:20:13,462 --> 00:20:16,506 a guy's got a right to a night to play poker, right? 526 00:20:16,590 --> 00:20:18,508 Now, look. Now, just don't call up again. 527 00:20:18,592 --> 00:20:19,760 Goodbye. 528 00:20:19,801 --> 00:20:23,222 Atta boy, Charlie. (CHUCKLES) You told her, Charlie boy, huh? 529 00:20:23,305 --> 00:20:24,514 Yes, sir. 530 00:20:25,724 --> 00:20:26,975 That was your wife, Danny. 531 00:20:27,017 --> 00:20:29,853 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 532 00:20:29,937 --> 00:20:32,105 CONAN: As televisions are making their way 533 00:20:32,147 --> 00:20:34,149 across the United States... 534 00:20:34,233 --> 00:20:35,651 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 535 00:20:35,692 --> 00:20:38,403 ...people are figuring out what the format is. 536 00:20:38,487 --> 00:20:40,489 {\an8}These guys know the stuff they loved, 537 00:20:40,530 --> 00:20:42,366 {\an8}which is Marx Brothers, Ritz Brothers, 538 00:20:42,449 --> 00:20:43,617 {\an8}Borscht Belt. 539 00:20:43,659 --> 00:20:45,327 {\an8}There is a tradition. 540 00:20:45,410 --> 00:20:47,329 There's a tradition that's been around. 541 00:20:47,412 --> 00:20:49,706 It's just now there's a new technology. 542 00:20:49,790 --> 00:20:50,832 (CLATTER) 543 00:20:50,874 --> 00:20:52,793 No one will notice that. It'll come right out in editing. 544 00:20:52,834 --> 00:20:54,836 Look, boy. 545 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,755 -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) -We don't like your boy. 546 00:20:56,838 --> 00:20:59,508 CONAN: If you are Jewish 547 00:20:59,591 --> 00:21:01,218 and it's the late '40s, 548 00:21:01,802 --> 00:21:02,886 and you wanna make it, 549 00:21:02,970 --> 00:21:04,513 and you've got some comedy talent, 550 00:21:04,554 --> 00:21:05,681 there's a lot of things 551 00:21:05,722 --> 00:21:07,724 that probably aren't open to you. 552 00:21:07,808 --> 00:21:09,935 But this is the way 553 00:21:10,018 --> 00:21:11,812 for a Mel Brooks to make it. 554 00:21:11,853 --> 00:21:13,689 Now hear this! 555 00:21:13,730 --> 00:21:14,773 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 556 00:21:14,856 --> 00:21:17,776 {\an8}Mel Brooks was not on camera on Your Show of Shows. 557 00:21:17,859 --> 00:21:20,195 {\an8}He was behind the scenes. He was in the writer's room. 558 00:21:21,196 --> 00:21:22,823 And he was staying out of the view 559 00:21:22,864 --> 00:21:25,033 {\an8}of producer Max Liebman 560 00:21:25,075 --> 00:21:27,828 {\an8}'cause he technically wasn't supposed to be there. 561 00:21:27,869 --> 00:21:31,581 He was being paid under the table by Sid Caesar. 562 00:21:32,791 --> 00:21:34,835 -MEL: I belonged to Sid. -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 563 00:21:34,876 --> 00:21:36,044 I didn't belong to the show, 564 00:21:36,128 --> 00:21:37,546 I didn't belong to Max Liebman... 565 00:21:37,587 --> 00:21:39,298 -SID CAESAR: That's right. -...I belonged to Sid. 566 00:21:39,381 --> 00:21:41,216 Max wouldn't pay him the 40 dollars a week, 567 00:21:41,258 --> 00:21:42,718 so I paid him the 40 dollars a week. 568 00:21:42,801 --> 00:21:46,013 {\an8}And then Mel pleaded with me, said he needed 45 to live. 569 00:21:46,054 --> 00:21:47,597 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 570 00:21:47,681 --> 00:21:49,683 And Max didn't care if you lived or not. 571 00:21:49,725 --> 00:21:50,851 And Max said no. 572 00:21:50,892 --> 00:21:55,439 Max Liebman was not exactly thrilled 573 00:21:56,023 --> 00:21:57,482 to have me around. 574 00:21:57,566 --> 00:21:59,234 When he saw me... 575 00:21:59,318 --> 00:22:03,405 he assessed my character and personality immediately. 576 00:22:03,488 --> 00:22:05,282 -He was absolutely right. -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 577 00:22:05,365 --> 00:22:06,491 You know? 578 00:22:06,575 --> 00:22:08,577 He saw a very... an arrogant, 579 00:22:08,660 --> 00:22:10,579 obnoxious little shithead... 580 00:22:10,662 --> 00:22:11,747 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 581 00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:13,248 ...who thought he knew everything 582 00:22:13,332 --> 00:22:17,669 and had patience for nothing but his own thoughts. 583 00:22:17,753 --> 00:22:19,338 We had terrible fights, 584 00:22:19,421 --> 00:22:21,423 and he said, "You're nothing. 585 00:22:21,506 --> 00:22:24,301 You got a big mouth, but you're nothing. 586 00:22:24,384 --> 00:22:27,095 You talk a lot, but you're nothing. 587 00:22:27,137 --> 00:22:30,223 Make a lot of noise, but you're nothing." 588 00:22:31,058 --> 00:22:32,392 And I said, "And you're the boss, 589 00:22:32,434 --> 00:22:34,061 and you're the boss over nothing!" 590 00:22:34,102 --> 00:22:36,521 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 591 00:22:36,605 --> 00:22:38,273 MEL: Max hated me. 592 00:22:38,357 --> 00:22:41,651 He said, "Mel Brooks is a living interruption." 593 00:22:41,735 --> 00:22:44,196 Sometimes I would interrupt, you know, 594 00:22:44,279 --> 00:22:46,531 Jimmy Starbuck, our choreographer, 595 00:22:46,615 --> 00:22:48,116 would get them all lined up 596 00:22:48,158 --> 00:22:51,495 and give them a step that they could do together. 597 00:22:51,578 --> 00:22:53,914 And suddenly, I appeared from nowhere 598 00:22:53,955 --> 00:22:56,958 because I could not resist the shiny, 599 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,003 beautiful wooden floors. 600 00:23:00,087 --> 00:23:01,797 I would run in, 601 00:23:01,838 --> 00:23:04,716 slide all the way across the dance floor, 602 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,761 hit the opposite wall and shout, "Safe." 603 00:23:07,803 --> 00:23:10,263 LARRY GELBART: I remember when I went to work for Sid, 604 00:23:10,305 --> 00:23:12,474 {\an8}most everybody here was there 605 00:23:12,516 --> 00:23:13,850 {\an8}a little younger at the time. 606 00:23:13,934 --> 00:23:14,893 {\an8}(GUESTS CHUCKLING) 607 00:23:14,976 --> 00:23:16,812 The late Selma Diamond was there. 608 00:23:16,853 --> 00:23:19,022 The late Mel Brooks was there. Mel was always late. 609 00:23:19,106 --> 00:23:20,816 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 610 00:23:20,857 --> 00:23:22,025 Always, yeah. 611 00:23:22,567 --> 00:23:23,777 {\an8}And the door would open, 612 00:23:23,819 --> 00:23:26,238 {\an8}and Mel would come in with a straw hat 613 00:23:26,321 --> 00:23:27,739 {\an8}and he'd fling it across the room, 614 00:23:27,823 --> 00:23:29,241 and he said, "Lindy made it!" 615 00:23:29,324 --> 00:23:30,867 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 616 00:23:30,951 --> 00:23:33,829 -♪ (UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -MEL: The writing staff. Listen to this staff. 617 00:23:33,912 --> 00:23:35,664 Larry Gelbart, who wrote M.A.S.H., 618 00:23:36,289 --> 00:23:37,499 there was Neil Simon, 619 00:23:37,582 --> 00:23:40,001 Mel Tolkin, Lucille Kallen, 620 00:23:40,085 --> 00:23:42,254 and later, there was Woody Allen. 621 00:23:42,337 --> 00:23:44,172 This is your roving reporter, Carl Reiner, 622 00:23:44,256 --> 00:23:47,717 -here at LaGuardia Airport... -MEL: And then we discovered Carl Reiner. 623 00:23:47,801 --> 00:23:49,928 He was my best friend in the world, 624 00:23:50,554 --> 00:23:51,805 and I loved him. 625 00:23:51,847 --> 00:23:53,432 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 626 00:23:53,515 --> 00:23:57,185 {\an8}Mel has some kind of problem with getting up. 627 00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:59,354 {\an8}Low blood sugar, we don't know. 628 00:23:59,396 --> 00:24:01,189 He couldn't get up till twelve, one o'clock, 629 00:24:01,273 --> 00:24:03,567 and he would call the Carnegie Delicatessen 630 00:24:03,650 --> 00:24:07,028 and have his bagel and coffee preceded him. 631 00:24:07,070 --> 00:24:08,613 When the bagel and coffee came, 632 00:24:08,697 --> 00:24:10,699 we knew Mel would be soon behind. 633 00:24:10,740 --> 00:24:13,410 I usually came about 45 minutes late. 634 00:24:13,493 --> 00:24:15,996 -SHELDON KELLER: One o'clock in the afternoon. -No, no, no, no. 635 00:24:16,037 --> 00:24:18,039 -Everybody got in, what? -10:00. 636 00:24:18,081 --> 00:24:19,332 -10:00. -About 10:00. And I would-- 637 00:24:19,374 --> 00:24:21,751 -SID: Not about 10:00, 10:00! -They-- Hold on. 638 00:24:21,835 --> 00:24:22,878 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 639 00:24:22,961 --> 00:24:24,421 MEL: I had trouble-- 640 00:24:24,504 --> 00:24:26,715 I had insomnia, I had trouble sleeping. 641 00:24:26,756 --> 00:24:29,718 I was a World War II combat veteran. 642 00:24:29,801 --> 00:24:30,802 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 643 00:24:30,886 --> 00:24:34,931 Sid was in the Coast Guard. He went to Coney Island. 644 00:24:35,015 --> 00:24:36,766 -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) -(GUESTS LAUGHING) 645 00:24:36,850 --> 00:24:38,518 MEL: But one day, I go to Sid. 646 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,228 I said, "Thank you for paying, Sid." 647 00:24:40,312 --> 00:24:41,897 And I give him two dollars. He said... 648 00:24:42,814 --> 00:24:44,357 "No, no, no. It's a little more than that." 649 00:24:44,399 --> 00:24:45,650 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 650 00:24:45,734 --> 00:24:46,902 I said, "How much?" 651 00:24:46,985 --> 00:24:49,321 He said, "I gave the guy a 25-dollar tip." 652 00:24:49,404 --> 00:24:52,407 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 653 00:24:52,491 --> 00:24:53,575 Well, he did. 654 00:24:53,617 --> 00:24:55,660 He did. He gave the guy a 25-dollar tip 655 00:24:55,744 --> 00:24:57,704 to teach me a lesson not to come late. 656 00:24:58,371 --> 00:25:00,332 And the coffee was cold. 657 00:25:00,415 --> 00:25:02,834 -(GUEST LAUGHING) -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 658 00:25:02,918 --> 00:25:04,503 Two German planes go down. 659 00:25:04,586 --> 00:25:06,838 (IMITATES PLANE ENGINES SPUTTERING) 660 00:25:06,922 --> 00:25:08,423 But still the Germans come on. 661 00:25:08,465 --> 00:25:09,508 (IMITATES HEAVY GUNFIRE) 662 00:25:09,591 --> 00:25:10,675 And the American... 663 00:25:10,759 --> 00:25:12,844 -(VOCALIZES) -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 664 00:25:12,928 --> 00:25:14,763 JUDD: All of your compatriots 665 00:25:15,222 --> 00:25:16,473 always say 666 00:25:16,556 --> 00:25:18,975 he was the funniest performer of everybody. 667 00:25:19,059 --> 00:25:20,602 Two more German planes go down. 668 00:25:20,644 --> 00:25:21,853 (IMITATES PLANE ENGINES ROARING) 669 00:25:21,937 --> 00:25:25,190 -(IMITATES ENGINES SPUTTERING) -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 670 00:25:25,273 --> 00:25:28,944 (BLOWING RASPBERRY) 671 00:25:30,862 --> 00:25:31,863 He's in trouble. 672 00:25:31,947 --> 00:25:33,448 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 673 00:25:34,115 --> 00:25:36,243 Sid never came on as funny. 674 00:25:36,284 --> 00:25:38,662 Funny was always a bit of a surprise. 675 00:25:38,745 --> 00:25:42,999 He came on as being sincere and earnest. 676 00:25:43,083 --> 00:25:44,709 And then he'd say things 677 00:25:44,793 --> 00:25:48,547 that nobody who was sincere or earnest would ever say. 678 00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:50,799 (SPEAKING GERMAN) 679 00:25:50,882 --> 00:25:51,967 Nose crooked... 680 00:25:52,008 --> 00:25:53,134 (INDISTINCT SHOUTING) 681 00:25:53,218 --> 00:25:56,179 MEL: He was a very crazy combination 682 00:25:56,263 --> 00:25:57,806 -(SOBS) -MEL: ...of poetry... 683 00:25:57,889 --> 00:25:58,890 (SPEAKING GIBBERISH) 684 00:25:58,974 --> 00:26:00,058 Food... (SPEAKS GIBBERISH) 685 00:26:00,141 --> 00:26:01,393 MEL: And caveman. 686 00:26:01,476 --> 00:26:03,061 ...knife and fork... 687 00:26:03,144 --> 00:26:04,396 (SPEAKING GIBBERISH) 688 00:26:04,479 --> 00:26:06,022 Knife and fork, get in my eye. 689 00:26:06,106 --> 00:26:08,316 I would have been a comic ten years earlier, 690 00:26:08,358 --> 00:26:10,986 but he was such a great vehicle for my passion. 691 00:26:11,069 --> 00:26:13,280 He could do anything. He mimicked people. 692 00:26:13,321 --> 00:26:15,073 I mean, he didn't do Bogart, he didn't do Cagney, 693 00:26:15,156 --> 00:26:17,409 he just did people, recognizable types. 694 00:26:17,492 --> 00:26:19,536 He really was incredibly talented. 695 00:26:19,619 --> 00:26:22,163 (SPEAKING GIBBERISH WITH ITALIAN ACCENT) 696 00:26:22,205 --> 00:26:24,291 (SPEAKING ITALIAN) 697 00:26:24,332 --> 00:26:30,505 (BOTH SPEAKING GIBBERISH) 698 00:26:30,547 --> 00:26:31,840 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 699 00:26:31,881 --> 00:26:38,013 (SPEAKING GIBBERISH WITH FRENCH ACCENT) 700 00:26:38,096 --> 00:26:41,558 (SPEAKING GIBBERISH WITH FRENCH ACCENT) 701 00:26:41,641 --> 00:26:45,353 (BOTH SPEAKING GIBBERISH WITH FRENCH ACCENT) 702 00:26:45,437 --> 00:26:47,188 (BOTH SPEAKING GIBBERISH WITH FRENCH ACCENT) 703 00:26:47,230 --> 00:26:52,193 (BOTH SPEAKING GIBBERISH WITH FRENCH ACCENT) 704 00:26:54,362 --> 00:26:55,530 -En garde! -En garde! 705 00:26:55,614 --> 00:26:56,698 (GUNSHOT) 706 00:26:56,740 --> 00:27:00,368 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 707 00:27:00,410 --> 00:27:04,039 Sid was also the strongest human being. 708 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,540 -The strongest-- -JOHNNY CARSON: Physically? 709 00:27:05,624 --> 00:27:07,292 Physically, the golden boy. 710 00:27:07,375 --> 00:27:09,753 He didn't like a joke, he lifted the metal desk and the typewriter. 711 00:27:09,836 --> 00:27:11,421 "I don't like it!" he said. "Okay." 712 00:27:11,504 --> 00:27:12,922 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 713 00:27:13,006 --> 00:27:15,884 "No-- Don't have to be in. Don't have to be in." Right? 714 00:27:15,925 --> 00:27:19,220 He took out a joke of mine from a sketch 715 00:27:19,262 --> 00:27:21,264 and I got very angry. 716 00:27:21,348 --> 00:27:23,266 Mel fought for this joke for a week. 717 00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:24,851 I said, "I want you to do that joke. 718 00:27:24,893 --> 00:27:25,852 You're an idiot! 719 00:27:25,894 --> 00:27:27,520 You've got to do that joke because it's funny." 720 00:27:27,562 --> 00:27:28,980 "You do the joke." 721 00:27:29,064 --> 00:27:31,650 And I punched him in the face, knocked him against the car. 722 00:27:31,733 --> 00:27:35,028 I realized slowly... "What have I done?" 723 00:27:35,070 --> 00:27:37,197 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 724 00:27:37,238 --> 00:27:39,199 He could have done this and sent me to Chicago. 725 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,242 -(GUESTS LAUGHING) -He looked at me and said, 726 00:27:41,326 --> 00:27:43,328 "Well, if you feel that strong about it, let's try it." 727 00:27:43,411 --> 00:27:44,579 (GUESTS LAUGHING) 728 00:27:44,621 --> 00:27:47,582 Very early on, when we did the Show of Shows, 729 00:27:47,666 --> 00:27:49,167 we went to Chicago. 730 00:27:49,250 --> 00:27:51,211 And I was writing for Sid. 731 00:27:51,252 --> 00:27:52,545 We played the Palmer House, 732 00:27:52,587 --> 00:27:54,005 the Empire Room at the Palmer House. 733 00:27:54,089 --> 00:27:56,424 And Sid rented a car, and we were driving in the car. 734 00:27:56,508 --> 00:27:57,592 Cab cut us off. 735 00:27:57,634 --> 00:27:59,803 Cab driver said things you cannot say on television. 736 00:27:59,886 --> 00:28:02,764 Sid said, "Moment, moment, sir, moment." 737 00:28:02,806 --> 00:28:04,391 Got out of the car, went to the cab driver. 738 00:28:04,432 --> 00:28:07,560 Cab driver wearing a yellow hat and a little leather bow tie. 739 00:28:08,228 --> 00:28:09,729 He's... And the cab driver 740 00:28:09,771 --> 00:28:11,648 was looking through this little clipper window. 741 00:28:11,731 --> 00:28:12,941 Remember those? It had a little clip-- 742 00:28:12,982 --> 00:28:16,361 And he says to Sid, more invectives, more, 743 00:28:16,444 --> 00:28:18,780 you know, very bad cursing. 744 00:28:18,863 --> 00:28:21,533 And Sid just said to him, "Do you remember birth? 745 00:28:21,616 --> 00:28:22,909 JOHNNY: "Do you remember birth?" 746 00:28:22,951 --> 00:28:24,953 Birth. He said, "What?" "Do you remember being born?" 747 00:28:25,036 --> 00:28:26,621 "Do you remember birth, your birth?" 748 00:28:26,705 --> 00:28:27,789 He said, "No. What?" 749 00:28:27,872 --> 00:28:29,165 He said, "We're going to reenact it." 750 00:28:29,249 --> 00:28:31,960 He grabbed him by the leather bow tie, 751 00:28:32,043 --> 00:28:33,211 and began pulling him. 752 00:28:33,294 --> 00:28:36,673 -(SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY) -(JOHNNY AND AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 753 00:28:36,756 --> 00:28:42,637 -(LAUGHING) -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING, APPLAUDING) 754 00:28:42,721 --> 00:28:43,847 It was so... 755 00:28:45,390 --> 00:28:48,017 Pulling him through the little window? 756 00:28:48,101 --> 00:28:50,603 And I promise you Sid could have got him through, 757 00:28:50,645 --> 00:28:51,730 but I bit his hand. 758 00:28:51,813 --> 00:28:53,481 -(INAUDIBLE) -(JOHNNY LAUGHING) 759 00:28:53,523 --> 00:28:55,817 JOHNNY: Somewhere there's a very long cab driver 760 00:28:55,859 --> 00:28:58,153 back in Chicago, to this day. 761 00:28:58,194 --> 00:29:00,488 INTERVIEWER: Your showbiz dream is coming true, 762 00:29:00,572 --> 00:29:02,824 but there's so much pressure doing this weekly show 763 00:29:02,907 --> 00:29:04,993 that you started getting anxiety attacks. 764 00:29:05,034 --> 00:29:07,829 MEL: I started to get nervous, 765 00:29:07,871 --> 00:29:10,248 and I thought I wasn't holding my end up. 766 00:29:10,331 --> 00:29:14,043 So, I began getting very anxious, 767 00:29:14,127 --> 00:29:16,171 acutely depressed, nervous. 768 00:29:16,212 --> 00:29:18,423 And I remember saying to Mel Tolkin, 769 00:29:18,506 --> 00:29:21,426 "Mel, I'm vomiting between parked cars. 770 00:29:21,509 --> 00:29:23,511 I can't do this. I can't sleep. 771 00:29:24,012 --> 00:29:25,305 It's impossible." 772 00:29:25,346 --> 00:29:28,516 He said, "Relax. You're an animal. 773 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,101 You're not a person yet. 774 00:29:30,185 --> 00:29:34,272 But you have the makings of a very bright human being." 775 00:29:34,355 --> 00:29:37,400 And he got me into psychoanalysis. 776 00:29:38,526 --> 00:29:41,362 I had a dream about being at the wheel of a car 777 00:29:41,446 --> 00:29:43,156 and the car was out of control. 778 00:29:43,948 --> 00:29:45,742 "They're going to find me out. 779 00:29:45,825 --> 00:29:49,329 I'm not a genius. I'm not smart. I'm not funny. 780 00:29:49,370 --> 00:29:50,413 I don't deserve it. 781 00:29:50,497 --> 00:29:51,956 They're going to find me out and fire me." 782 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,082 He said to me, 783 00:29:53,166 --> 00:29:54,584 "So they're going to find you out. 784 00:29:55,877 --> 00:30:00,048 They're liable to find out that you're really who you are, 785 00:30:00,089 --> 00:30:04,135 that you're really talented, that you really had a big hand 786 00:30:04,219 --> 00:30:07,931 in making the show successful and popular. 787 00:30:08,014 --> 00:30:10,683 Tomorrow, when you go into work, 788 00:30:10,725 --> 00:30:12,977 you're going to ask for a raise 789 00:30:13,061 --> 00:30:14,229 because you think 790 00:30:14,896 --> 00:30:15,939 you deserve it." 791 00:30:16,815 --> 00:30:18,566 The next morning, 792 00:30:18,608 --> 00:30:21,945 I went into Max Liebman's office. 793 00:30:22,028 --> 00:30:24,906 Max said, "Absolutely not. Get out." 794 00:30:24,989 --> 00:30:28,618 Ten minutes later, after I told my story to Sid, 795 00:30:28,701 --> 00:30:30,578 -Sid marched into Max's. -Yeah. 796 00:30:31,329 --> 00:30:32,413 "He gets it. 797 00:30:33,748 --> 00:30:34,916 He's good. 798 00:30:35,625 --> 00:30:36,835 He's earned it. 799 00:30:38,336 --> 00:30:41,381 Give it to him. If you don't, I will. 800 00:30:41,422 --> 00:30:43,800 And if I have to, I'll be very angry at you." 801 00:30:44,551 --> 00:30:45,552 And I got it. 802 00:30:46,636 --> 00:30:48,596 {\an8}JUDD: And did that help your insomnia? 803 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:49,764 {\an8}MEL: Absolutely. 804 00:30:49,806 --> 00:30:51,432 JUDD: So, your insomnia got a little better? 805 00:30:51,474 --> 00:30:53,101 MEL: A little better, a little better. 806 00:30:53,184 --> 00:30:54,435 JUDD: 'Cause you're still a night owl. 807 00:30:54,477 --> 00:30:55,812 Yeah. 808 00:30:55,895 --> 00:30:58,565 JUDD: What are your hours that you keep now? 809 00:30:58,606 --> 00:31:01,651 I don't go to sleep until 4:00 or 5:00 in the morning. 810 00:31:01,734 --> 00:31:02,777 JUDD: What are you doing? 811 00:31:02,819 --> 00:31:04,445 What's happening at 3:30 in this house? 812 00:31:04,487 --> 00:31:06,281 -I'm shaking. -(JUDD LAUGHS) 813 00:31:06,364 --> 00:31:09,742 ♪ (GENTLE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 814 00:31:19,127 --> 00:31:21,588 {\an8}JUDD: At this time, is that when you got married for the first time 815 00:31:21,629 --> 00:31:22,964 {\an8}during Your Show of Shows? 816 00:31:23,006 --> 00:31:24,132 {\an8}MEL: Yeah. 817 00:31:28,177 --> 00:31:32,140 She was a dancer on the Show of Shows. 818 00:31:32,223 --> 00:31:35,143 I got to meet her. I got to like her very much. 819 00:31:35,226 --> 00:31:36,603 And she got to like me. 820 00:31:36,644 --> 00:31:40,773 And... when I was 23 or 24, we got married. 821 00:31:40,815 --> 00:31:41,983 JUDD: That's so young. 822 00:31:43,610 --> 00:31:45,653 (INAUDIBLE) 823 00:31:47,572 --> 00:31:50,825 NICHOLAS: My mom at one point was... 824 00:31:50,909 --> 00:31:53,661 {\an8}dancing for the Colgate Comedy Hour. 825 00:31:53,703 --> 00:31:55,413 {\an8}That was Martin and Lewis. 826 00:31:55,496 --> 00:31:56,497 {\an8}And Dean Martin 827 00:31:56,581 --> 00:31:59,375 had such a case of the hots for her, 828 00:31:59,459 --> 00:32:00,501 just loved her. 829 00:32:00,585 --> 00:32:02,962 She was a beautiful woman. 830 00:32:03,004 --> 00:32:06,215 And he used to go up to her and try to woo her. 831 00:32:06,299 --> 00:32:08,217 And one of the things he used to say to her was, 832 00:32:08,301 --> 00:32:09,761 you know, "Why are you hanging out 833 00:32:09,844 --> 00:32:13,514 with that schleppy little," you know, "Jewish guy?" 834 00:32:13,556 --> 00:32:15,016 You know, "You can have me. 835 00:32:15,725 --> 00:32:17,602 He's a dead-ender," you know? 836 00:32:17,685 --> 00:32:19,312 And my mom said, 837 00:32:19,354 --> 00:32:21,606 "I'm sorry, but I really like him." 838 00:32:21,689 --> 00:32:22,732 "I really dig him." 839 00:32:22,815 --> 00:32:24,776 So she took a pass. 840 00:32:28,363 --> 00:32:32,742 JUDD: And you had three kids in pretty quick succession. 841 00:32:33,952 --> 00:32:35,370 And did she want a big family? 842 00:32:35,870 --> 00:32:36,871 Not particularly. 843 00:32:36,913 --> 00:32:38,665 It was thrust upon her 844 00:32:39,624 --> 00:32:42,669 by her ever-loving husband. 845 00:32:43,878 --> 00:32:45,380 I married her out of show business 846 00:32:45,421 --> 00:32:47,674 because I kept getting her pregnant. 847 00:32:48,174 --> 00:32:49,467 And that meant 848 00:32:49,550 --> 00:32:52,178 that she could not pursue her career. 849 00:32:53,179 --> 00:32:54,389 But I could pursue mine. 850 00:32:54,430 --> 00:32:56,808 ♪ (GENTLE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 851 00:33:03,147 --> 00:33:05,650 {\an8}STEFANIE BROOKS: My father made my mother stop working 852 00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:07,902 {\an8}because she was his wife. 853 00:33:09,237 --> 00:33:11,072 {\an8}It was a dynamic 854 00:33:11,114 --> 00:33:14,200 {\an8}that was very common at the time. 855 00:33:16,828 --> 00:33:20,915 But he was much more fun than my mother was. 856 00:33:23,918 --> 00:33:27,714 They both really wanted to be nurtured, 857 00:33:28,339 --> 00:33:30,216 and neither of them 858 00:33:30,258 --> 00:33:33,261 was... very nurturing. 859 00:33:36,305 --> 00:33:37,932 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 860 00:33:38,016 --> 00:33:39,475 STEPHANIE: He used to say, 861 00:33:40,685 --> 00:33:42,687 "I'm known in the industry. 862 00:33:43,521 --> 00:33:44,564 I'm not famous, 863 00:33:44,605 --> 00:33:46,691 but they know me in the business," 864 00:33:47,316 --> 00:33:48,526 he would say. 865 00:33:51,863 --> 00:33:53,406 JUDD: What was your vision for your career? 866 00:33:53,448 --> 00:33:54,991 MEL: Movies. 867 00:33:55,074 --> 00:33:57,368 -JUDD: "I'm gonna write movies." -MEL: "I'm gonna write movies." 868 00:33:57,452 --> 00:33:59,287 JUDD: And you tried to get Sid to make movies with you? 869 00:33:59,370 --> 00:34:00,913 MEL: Yeah, I said, "Sid... 870 00:34:02,457 --> 00:34:05,960 you do a show on Saturday night, 871 00:34:06,002 --> 00:34:07,670 and by Monday... 872 00:34:08,671 --> 00:34:10,590 it's forgotten." 873 00:34:10,631 --> 00:34:16,888 You can't just do television 'cause television evaporates. 874 00:34:17,930 --> 00:34:20,975 And I pitched this idea. 875 00:34:23,019 --> 00:34:24,479 "I quit, you quit. 876 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,273 We don't do the third year of the Show of Shows. 877 00:34:28,107 --> 00:34:30,568 We do the first year 878 00:34:30,651 --> 00:34:34,489 of a picture starring Sid Caesar, 879 00:34:34,572 --> 00:34:37,366 a never-to-be-forgotten comedy 880 00:34:37,450 --> 00:34:40,828 by that incredible comedy writer Mel Brooks." 881 00:34:41,537 --> 00:34:43,664 And I convinced him. 882 00:34:43,706 --> 00:34:45,083 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 883 00:34:45,166 --> 00:34:46,918 MEL: A month goes by. 884 00:34:47,001 --> 00:34:49,670 He said, "I got bad news. 885 00:34:49,754 --> 00:34:52,673 They offered me something I couldn't refuse. 886 00:34:52,715 --> 00:34:55,760 A million dollars a season. 887 00:34:55,843 --> 00:35:00,598 I'm big, but I'm not that big that I can say no to that." 888 00:35:01,307 --> 00:35:03,309 He said, "I can get you a raise." 889 00:35:04,727 --> 00:35:08,356 I said, "I don't want a raise. I want movies." 890 00:35:08,439 --> 00:35:10,358 JUDD: So, your escape did not work. 891 00:35:10,858 --> 00:35:12,193 MEL: No, no escape. 892 00:35:12,235 --> 00:35:14,237 (INAUDIBLE) 893 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,239 MEL: The Show of Shows was good for me for three years 894 00:35:16,322 --> 00:35:17,907 and good for Sid Caesar for three years. 895 00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:20,618 And we were funny and brave and outrageous. 896 00:35:20,701 --> 00:35:22,912 But we went on, we did that show for nine years 897 00:35:22,995 --> 00:35:24,372 until we were no longer welcome 898 00:35:24,455 --> 00:35:26,541 and we no longer really had any enthusiasm 899 00:35:26,582 --> 00:35:27,667 for the material. 900 00:35:28,626 --> 00:35:31,045 If you get stuck in any kind of a hit, 901 00:35:31,087 --> 00:35:32,672 that in itself is a trap. 902 00:35:33,631 --> 00:35:35,383 You must have the courage 903 00:35:36,008 --> 00:35:37,385 to break out 904 00:35:37,468 --> 00:35:38,970 and really discover 905 00:35:39,053 --> 00:35:42,098 the parameters of your own creativity, 906 00:35:42,181 --> 00:35:43,349 your own talent. 907 00:35:44,308 --> 00:35:46,644 Sid Caesar was a genius. He really was. 908 00:35:46,727 --> 00:35:50,857 The harder you work, the more fierce the flame, 909 00:35:50,898 --> 00:35:53,067 and the more quickly you are consumed 910 00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:54,235 by that very flame. 911 00:35:54,277 --> 00:35:57,405 So it's a very difficult thing to, uh... 912 00:35:57,989 --> 00:35:59,699 He... he was used up. 913 00:36:01,242 --> 00:36:02,493 JUDD: So, the show ended. 914 00:36:02,577 --> 00:36:05,079 How much money were you making when the show ended? 915 00:36:05,121 --> 00:36:07,165 -Five thousand. -JUDD: Wow. 916 00:36:07,248 --> 00:36:09,041 -Five thousand a show. -JUDD: That's real money. 917 00:36:09,083 --> 00:36:11,210 That was real money. 918 00:36:11,919 --> 00:36:13,129 And then I wasn't working. 919 00:36:13,212 --> 00:36:15,214 JUDD: And your salary went from 5,000 dollars 920 00:36:15,256 --> 00:36:16,591 to 85 dollars a week. 921 00:36:16,674 --> 00:36:17,758 MEL: Yep. 922 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,802 JUDD: I heard you had to stop your analysis 923 00:36:19,886 --> 00:36:21,304 because you couldn't afford it anymore. 924 00:36:21,387 --> 00:36:23,472 And then the car went out of control again. 925 00:36:23,556 --> 00:36:25,057 -(BOTH LAUGH) -♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 926 00:36:25,099 --> 00:36:26,100 ALAN: As a writer, 927 00:36:26,184 --> 00:36:27,643 you found success with Show of Shows. 928 00:36:27,727 --> 00:36:28,895 I mean, great success. 929 00:36:28,936 --> 00:36:32,690 And yet then... that all went. I mean, how did that affect you? 930 00:36:33,399 --> 00:36:34,483 Um... 931 00:36:36,319 --> 00:36:37,445 I cried. 932 00:36:38,613 --> 00:36:40,656 I cried. I mean, I cried for two years. 933 00:36:41,407 --> 00:36:43,284 Thanks, Lee. All I did was cry. 934 00:36:43,367 --> 00:36:45,036 For two years, I did nothing but sob. 935 00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:46,370 I mean, I was broke. 936 00:36:47,455 --> 00:36:48,789 I mean, I didn't have a nickel. 937 00:36:50,082 --> 00:36:53,419 NICHOLAS: My dad was very hungry for stardom. 938 00:36:53,461 --> 00:36:58,132 He really wanted desperately to be a somebody, 939 00:36:58,174 --> 00:37:01,302 not just to be a kind of industry success 940 00:37:01,344 --> 00:37:04,180 in some, you know, abstract way, 941 00:37:04,263 --> 00:37:09,352 but to be recognized and noticed and appreciated. 942 00:37:09,435 --> 00:37:13,981 And my dad tended to express anxiety, 943 00:37:14,065 --> 00:37:17,109 stress, uh, through anger. 944 00:37:17,151 --> 00:37:20,404 And he became a very angry person, 945 00:37:20,488 --> 00:37:23,366 very volatile mood-wise. 946 00:37:23,449 --> 00:37:26,410 And it was difficult for my mom, you know, 947 00:37:26,494 --> 00:37:28,788 trying to raise these babies. 948 00:37:28,829 --> 00:37:31,916 And I think it just reached a point 949 00:37:31,999 --> 00:37:35,169 where my dad was just, 950 00:37:35,253 --> 00:37:39,090 frankly, so difficult to live with. 951 00:37:40,383 --> 00:37:42,385 It was just intolerable. 952 00:37:42,468 --> 00:37:45,346 ♪ (MELANCHOLIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 953 00:37:45,388 --> 00:37:47,598 MEL: The marriage suffered because... 954 00:37:47,682 --> 00:37:49,600 I was very difficult to live with. 955 00:37:50,851 --> 00:37:53,980 'Cause I was just disgusted of... 956 00:37:54,021 --> 00:37:56,649 a dead end to my creativity. 957 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,446 And I don't blame her for divorcing me and... 958 00:38:03,114 --> 00:38:04,198 It was just... 959 00:38:04,991 --> 00:38:06,200 hell living with me. 960 00:38:06,242 --> 00:38:07,868 -I wasn't happy. -JUDD: You were just unhappy. 961 00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:09,203 MEL: Very unhappy. 962 00:38:12,248 --> 00:38:14,500 JUDD: What would she ask of you? 963 00:38:14,542 --> 00:38:16,752 Like when she said, "Can you just do this?" 964 00:38:16,836 --> 00:38:17,962 What would it be? 965 00:38:18,796 --> 00:38:21,215 "All right, get home." Certainly get... 966 00:38:21,299 --> 00:38:23,718 you know, "Don't stop for a drink anywhere." 967 00:38:23,759 --> 00:38:25,428 -JUDD: Yeah. -"Get home." 968 00:38:25,511 --> 00:38:27,388 -JUDD: Yeah. -Have dinner-- 969 00:38:27,972 --> 00:38:29,348 You know, six o'clock, 970 00:38:29,390 --> 00:38:31,392 sit down with the kids and have dinner. 971 00:38:31,475 --> 00:38:32,601 JUDD: Yeah. 972 00:38:32,685 --> 00:38:34,478 And most of the time I could do that, 973 00:38:34,562 --> 00:38:35,730 and sometimes I couldn't. 974 00:38:37,398 --> 00:38:39,108 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 975 00:38:39,191 --> 00:38:42,111 -Carl, are you there? -HOST: Oh, yeah, he's there. 976 00:38:42,194 --> 00:38:44,155 Where is-- You got a mic near, Carl? 977 00:38:44,238 --> 00:38:45,573 (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 978 00:38:45,614 --> 00:38:47,116 Carl, tell us how it all began, 979 00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:49,910 because it wasn't my fault at all. 980 00:38:49,952 --> 00:38:51,245 It was all his doing. 981 00:38:51,329 --> 00:38:53,247 -HOST: No kidding. -He was-- really. 982 00:38:53,289 --> 00:38:54,415 CARL REINER: Are we interested 983 00:38:54,457 --> 00:38:56,625 in the genesis of The 2000 Year Old Man? 984 00:38:56,709 --> 00:38:58,252 -Yes. -CARL: Okay. 985 00:38:58,336 --> 00:38:59,962 There was a show called We the People Speak 986 00:39:00,046 --> 00:39:01,172 with Dan Seymour. 987 00:39:01,255 --> 00:39:02,423 "We the People Speak." 988 00:39:02,506 --> 00:39:06,427 They recreated the news, and I heard it one Sunday. 989 00:39:06,510 --> 00:39:08,804 "Here's a man who was actually in Stalin's toilet, 990 00:39:08,888 --> 00:39:10,264 and he heard Stalin say, 991 00:39:10,348 --> 00:39:12,600 'Going to blow up the world Thursday.'" 992 00:39:12,641 --> 00:39:15,269 -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) -I said, "Oh, what a good idea for a sketch." 993 00:39:15,311 --> 00:39:18,606 I came and presented it to Max Liebman and Sid. 994 00:39:18,647 --> 00:39:20,066 And they thought it was all right, 995 00:39:20,107 --> 00:39:21,108 but they didn't do it. 996 00:39:21,192 --> 00:39:23,444 And I was so sure it was a great idea. 997 00:39:23,527 --> 00:39:25,696 Mel was sitting just as we're sitting, 998 00:39:25,780 --> 00:39:28,324 you're sitting on a couch. 999 00:39:28,407 --> 00:39:30,284 I was sitting on his left and I said, 1000 00:39:30,368 --> 00:39:32,244 "Here's a man who was actually 1001 00:39:32,286 --> 00:39:34,288 at the scene of the crucifixion, 1002 00:39:34,330 --> 00:39:36,290 2,000 years ago. 1003 00:39:36,374 --> 00:39:38,209 Is that not true, sir?" 1004 00:39:38,292 --> 00:39:39,418 And he said... 1005 00:39:40,211 --> 00:39:42,088 "Oh, boy," that's all he said. 1006 00:39:42,129 --> 00:39:43,464 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1007 00:39:43,547 --> 00:39:45,299 CARL: (OVER RECORDING) Those were the first words. 1008 00:39:45,341 --> 00:39:46,384 And I said, 1009 00:39:46,467 --> 00:39:48,302 "You were actually at the scene of the crucifixion." 1010 00:39:48,344 --> 00:39:50,304 MEL: Oh, what yelling, what yelling. 1011 00:39:50,388 --> 00:39:51,389 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1012 00:39:51,472 --> 00:39:53,724 At parties for the next ten years, 1013 00:39:53,808 --> 00:39:56,394 I had a little tape recorder, wire recorder. 1014 00:39:56,477 --> 00:39:57,812 I didn't want to lose these gems. 1015 00:39:57,853 --> 00:40:00,981 I wanted to be able to tell people, "Look what he said." 1016 00:40:01,065 --> 00:40:03,234 CARL: (OVER RECORDING) One, two, three, four. One, two. 1017 00:40:04,110 --> 00:40:05,444 Now, sir, are you telling us 1018 00:40:05,486 --> 00:40:08,155 that you actually knew Jesus Christ? 1019 00:40:08,197 --> 00:40:10,825 MEL: Yes, yes. Thin, nervous. 1020 00:40:10,866 --> 00:40:12,660 Used to come in the store for water. 1021 00:40:12,743 --> 00:40:13,744 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1022 00:40:13,828 --> 00:40:15,996 -CARL: You had a store then? -MEL: Yeah, sure. 1023 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:20,000 CARL: But remember, 1950 was five years after the war. 1024 00:40:20,084 --> 00:40:22,002 The Jews are pretty well maligned, 1025 00:40:22,086 --> 00:40:24,505 and he's doing a middle European Jewish accent. 1026 00:40:24,588 --> 00:40:26,298 CARL: (OVER RECORDING) Did you like him personally? 1027 00:40:26,340 --> 00:40:27,675 MEL: Lovely lad, nice, well-mannered. 1028 00:40:27,758 --> 00:40:28,759 I'd never know 1029 00:40:28,843 --> 00:40:30,344 if we figured he'd be a hit. Never. 1030 00:40:30,386 --> 00:40:31,554 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1031 00:40:31,637 --> 00:40:33,722 And we figured that The 2000 Year Old Man 1032 00:40:33,806 --> 00:40:37,351 was only for Jews and non-antisemitic Gentiles. 1033 00:40:37,435 --> 00:40:38,561 Like you, sir. 1034 00:40:38,644 --> 00:40:41,522 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1035 00:40:41,564 --> 00:40:43,858 {\an8}They did it for friends. They would do it at a party. 1036 00:40:43,899 --> 00:40:45,359 {\an8}"Come on, do The 2000 Year Old Man." 1037 00:40:45,401 --> 00:40:48,070 {\an8}And they'd just do schtick, and they'd record it sometimes. 1038 00:40:48,154 --> 00:40:49,238 It would be on tape recording, 1039 00:40:49,321 --> 00:40:50,865 but they just did it for themselves. 1040 00:40:50,948 --> 00:40:52,158 And at one party, 1041 00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:54,034 Steve Allen was there, 1042 00:40:54,118 --> 00:40:55,453 and he said, "You know, you guys, 1043 00:40:55,536 --> 00:40:57,371 you gotta put this on record. Put it on record." 1044 00:40:57,455 --> 00:40:59,540 Let's have a nice hand for Carl Reiner and Mel Brooks. 1045 00:40:59,582 --> 00:41:00,624 Here they are. 1046 00:41:00,708 --> 00:41:03,043 {\an8}ROB REINER: And that was the first 2000 Year Old Man. 1047 00:41:03,085 --> 00:41:05,463 {\an8}(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 1048 00:41:06,172 --> 00:41:07,214 Thank you. 1049 00:41:08,549 --> 00:41:11,385 Ladies and gentlemen, I feel indeed fortunate 1050 00:41:11,427 --> 00:41:14,388 to be able to discuss with a man tonight 1051 00:41:14,972 --> 00:41:16,557 his history. 1052 00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:18,809 And it is fortunate because this man 1053 00:41:18,893 --> 00:41:22,897 is actually 2,001 years old. 1054 00:41:22,938 --> 00:41:25,983 He came to us a year ago from the Middle East. 1055 00:41:26,066 --> 00:41:27,485 He went to the Mayo Clinic. 1056 00:41:27,568 --> 00:41:29,278 They tested him and it was proved 1057 00:41:29,361 --> 00:41:32,740 that he has lived for 2,000 years. 1058 00:41:32,781 --> 00:41:34,575 He is 2,001 now, 1059 00:41:34,658 --> 00:41:36,744 and I'd like for him to say hello to you 1060 00:41:36,827 --> 00:41:40,080 and tell us about the world as he has seen it. 1061 00:41:40,122 --> 00:41:41,790 The 2000 Year Old Man. 1062 00:41:41,874 --> 00:41:48,797 (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 1063 00:41:49,423 --> 00:41:51,383 Sir, I am applauding you 1064 00:41:51,425 --> 00:41:53,302 because you have lived this long. 1065 00:41:53,385 --> 00:41:54,428 Hello there. 1066 00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:55,596 (LAUGHS) 1067 00:41:55,638 --> 00:41:57,681 -Would you sit down, sir? -How are you? Nice to see you. 1068 00:41:57,765 --> 00:41:59,266 -Nice to see you. -How old are you? 1069 00:41:59,350 --> 00:42:02,144 -Well, I am just 39. -You're a punk. All right. 1070 00:42:02,228 --> 00:42:03,354 (LAUGHS) 1071 00:42:03,437 --> 00:42:07,358 Yes. Well, sir, you are 2,001 now, isn't it? 1072 00:42:07,441 --> 00:42:09,276 Two thousand and one years young, 1073 00:42:09,318 --> 00:42:11,111 how we say, not to curse ourselves. 1074 00:42:11,195 --> 00:42:13,197 CARL: Yes, you don't use the word old, I see. 1075 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:14,365 -Old? No... -CARL: It frightens you. 1076 00:42:14,448 --> 00:42:16,116 ...because we're too close to end there. 1077 00:42:16,158 --> 00:42:17,952 I see. Well, you're not an old man. 1078 00:42:18,035 --> 00:42:19,828 You don't look like an old man to me, sir. 1079 00:42:19,912 --> 00:42:23,332 No, I keep myself young, and I keep it by exercise. 1080 00:42:23,415 --> 00:42:25,960 -Exercising. -Yes, that's the key to my door. 1081 00:42:26,377 --> 00:42:27,419 (LAUGHS) 1082 00:42:27,461 --> 00:42:29,129 The key to your door to health, you're trying to say. 1083 00:42:29,213 --> 00:42:30,256 -To health, yes. -I see. 1084 00:42:30,297 --> 00:42:32,007 Thanks for the ending of that. Yes. 1085 00:42:32,091 --> 00:42:33,217 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1086 00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:37,012 I met Mel when I was, I think, four or five. 1087 00:42:37,096 --> 00:42:39,181 That was the first time I ever met Mel. 1088 00:42:39,265 --> 00:42:41,809 Yeah, Mel was gonna come visit. 1089 00:42:41,850 --> 00:42:43,686 You know, at night, he was coming in, 1090 00:42:43,769 --> 00:42:46,021 and he was gonna visit for the weekend. 1091 00:42:46,105 --> 00:42:48,232 And the night before, my dad says to me... 1092 00:42:48,315 --> 00:42:50,568 -"There's gonna be a man..." -"There's a man..." 1093 00:42:50,651 --> 00:42:52,570 "...seated in that little alcove, 1094 00:42:52,653 --> 00:42:54,154 so, don't be frightened." 1095 00:42:54,238 --> 00:42:55,489 "And just don't get nervous." 1096 00:42:55,531 --> 00:42:58,075 "The man is a friend, so, in the morning, 1097 00:42:58,158 --> 00:42:59,827 don't wake him up if you see him." 1098 00:42:59,868 --> 00:43:03,664 About 6:00 in the morning or 7:00 or 8:00, I heard... 1099 00:43:03,706 --> 00:43:05,165 "Is that the man?" 1100 00:43:05,207 --> 00:43:07,167 -"That's the man." -"That the man?" 1101 00:43:07,209 --> 00:43:08,711 "That's the man. That's the man." 1102 00:43:08,794 --> 00:43:09,920 "I think that's the man." 1103 00:43:10,004 --> 00:43:12,047 "Mom said don't wake up the man." 1104 00:43:12,131 --> 00:43:13,173 And Mel's eyes open, 1105 00:43:13,257 --> 00:43:14,717 and he sees these two little kids. 1106 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,510 "Are you the man? You're the man, right?" 1107 00:43:16,552 --> 00:43:19,555 And then he went to poke a finger in his eye. 1108 00:43:19,638 --> 00:43:22,641 He goes, "I'm up. I'm the man. I'm the man. I'm up. I'm up." 1109 00:43:22,683 --> 00:43:24,226 (CHUCKLES) That's... 1110 00:43:24,310 --> 00:43:26,353 So, to me, that's who Mel was. 1111 00:43:26,437 --> 00:43:29,106 He was the man. He was the man at age four. 1112 00:43:29,189 --> 00:43:30,691 -CARL: Sir Isaac Newton. -MEL: I knew him. 1113 00:43:30,774 --> 00:43:32,109 -CARL: You knew him? -MEL: Oh, sure. 1114 00:43:32,192 --> 00:43:34,361 ROB: My father was like a second banana. 1115 00:43:34,403 --> 00:43:37,698 He never felt he needed to be the star. 1116 00:43:37,781 --> 00:43:39,116 Mel is the star. 1117 00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:40,868 Of all the discoveries of all time... 1118 00:43:40,951 --> 00:43:42,953 ROB: My dad felt very comfortable 1119 00:43:43,037 --> 00:43:44,788 feeding the star. 1120 00:43:44,872 --> 00:43:47,541 -...fire? -Fire, fire, far and away fire. 1121 00:43:47,625 --> 00:43:49,084 Fire was the hottest thing going. 1122 00:43:49,168 --> 00:43:50,878 -Fire, you can't beat fire. -Really? 1123 00:43:50,961 --> 00:43:53,213 Fire used to warm us and light up our caves, 1124 00:43:53,297 --> 00:43:54,673 so we wouldn't walk into a wall, 1125 00:43:54,715 --> 00:43:56,300 so we wouldn't marry our brother Bernie. 1126 00:43:56,383 --> 00:43:57,384 Fire. 1127 00:43:57,468 --> 00:43:59,219 -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) -(OVERLAPPING CHATTER) 1128 00:43:59,303 --> 00:44:00,929 And cooking. Oh, fire. You can't beat fire. 1129 00:44:01,013 --> 00:44:02,765 When did they first learn to cook with fire? 1130 00:44:02,848 --> 00:44:04,058 -It was an accident. -Really? 1131 00:44:04,141 --> 00:44:05,351 -That was an accident. -It was? 1132 00:44:05,392 --> 00:44:07,478 A chicken. Chicken walked into the fire by mistake and... 1133 00:44:07,561 --> 00:44:08,896 (SPUTTERS, BLOWS RASPBERRY) And over. 1134 00:44:08,979 --> 00:44:10,064 Burnt. Burnt up. 1135 00:44:10,147 --> 00:44:12,232 -What, a pet chicken? -Yes. We didn't use them. 1136 00:44:12,316 --> 00:44:13,901 We kept them around the cave as pets. 1137 00:44:13,984 --> 00:44:15,903 We loved to hear... (IMITATES CHICKEN) ...We loved that. 1138 00:44:15,944 --> 00:44:16,987 (CHUCKLES) Okay, ladies and gents. 1139 00:44:17,071 --> 00:44:19,323 So, we took it out to give it a funeral, 1140 00:44:19,406 --> 00:44:21,742 you know, and bury it 'cause it was a pet. 1141 00:44:21,784 --> 00:44:24,370 And we all went... (SNIFFS) "Hey, that smells good." 1142 00:44:25,037 --> 00:44:26,246 So, we ate him up, 1143 00:44:26,330 --> 00:44:27,748 and since then we've been eating chickens. 1144 00:44:27,790 --> 00:44:30,167 You know, I've heard this story, but I've heard that the animal 1145 00:44:30,250 --> 00:44:32,252 that wandered into the fire accidentally 1146 00:44:32,336 --> 00:44:33,420 was a pig. 1147 00:44:33,837 --> 00:44:35,172 Not in my cave. 1148 00:44:35,255 --> 00:44:37,132 -(SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY) -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1149 00:44:37,216 --> 00:44:39,259 He would push Mel into a corner, 1150 00:44:39,301 --> 00:44:42,680 and that would make Mel... 1151 00:44:42,763 --> 00:44:45,265 explode with creativity and humor. 1152 00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:46,308 Two thousand years ago, 1153 00:44:46,392 --> 00:44:47,976 what was the main means of transportation? 1154 00:44:48,060 --> 00:44:49,103 -ROB: He talks about... -Fear. 1155 00:44:49,186 --> 00:44:50,145 ROB: ...fear. 1156 00:44:50,229 --> 00:44:51,188 -Fear. -Fear? 1157 00:44:51,271 --> 00:44:52,898 An animal would growl and give your leg a bite, 1158 00:44:52,940 --> 00:44:54,942 -you'd run a mile in a minute. -So, fear transports you? 1159 00:44:54,983 --> 00:44:56,985 -Fear kept you moving, Charlie. -I see. 1160 00:44:57,069 --> 00:45:00,989 That fear is the main motivator for what he does. 1161 00:45:01,073 --> 00:45:02,700 The fear of not being funny, 1162 00:45:02,783 --> 00:45:04,785 the fear of not being liked, whatever the fear is. 1163 00:45:04,868 --> 00:45:08,664 And because of that, he becomes a lovable person. 1164 00:45:08,747 --> 00:45:10,290 INTERVIEWER: The Jewish timing 1165 00:45:10,374 --> 00:45:12,626 dictated most of modern comedy. 1166 00:45:12,668 --> 00:45:15,129 MEL: Yeah, you know, it has to do with fear. 1167 00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:16,880 -INTERVIEWER: Yeah. -MEL: There's a great energy 1168 00:45:16,964 --> 00:45:19,216 that fear can create. 1169 00:45:19,299 --> 00:45:20,551 Is that guy coming for me? 1170 00:45:20,634 --> 00:45:23,303 Is that... Is that a fucking swastika? 1171 00:45:23,345 --> 00:45:24,805 You know, the-- like fear. 1172 00:45:24,847 --> 00:45:26,640 It's always lurking. 1173 00:45:26,682 --> 00:45:29,601 -INTERVIEWER: Yeah, yeah. -MEL: So, I mean, and it creates an energy, you know. 1174 00:45:29,643 --> 00:45:32,146 Fight or flight is right there for every Jew. 1175 00:45:32,229 --> 00:45:33,355 Yeah, how about an anthem? 1176 00:45:33,439 --> 00:45:35,149 -We had a national anthem. -What was the anthem? 1177 00:45:35,232 --> 00:45:37,317 Well, you see, it was very fragmented. 1178 00:45:37,359 --> 00:45:39,153 -Yes. Yes. -But it wasn't nations. 1179 00:45:39,236 --> 00:45:41,655 It was caves. Each cave had a national anthem. 1180 00:45:41,697 --> 00:45:43,157 INTERVIEWER: Yes. Well, do you remember 1181 00:45:43,198 --> 00:45:46,034 {\an8}the national anthem of your cave? 1182 00:45:46,118 --> 00:45:51,331 {\an8}♪ Let them all go to hell Except Cave 76 ♪ 1183 00:45:51,373 --> 00:45:52,916 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1184 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,419 {\an8}I had 2000 Year Old Man. I had that. 1185 00:45:55,502 --> 00:45:57,838 {\an8}I listened to it all the time as a kid. 1186 00:45:57,921 --> 00:45:59,173 That voice he had was 1187 00:45:59,256 --> 00:46:01,842 100 percent like every uncle I had 1188 00:46:01,925 --> 00:46:04,094 in Fort Lauderdale when I would swim in the pool. 1189 00:46:04,178 --> 00:46:06,722 There were like 40 Mel voices coming at you 1190 00:46:06,805 --> 00:46:08,682 from every one of my father's friends. 1191 00:46:08,766 --> 00:46:11,727 {\an8}I had the box set in my car in high school 1192 00:46:11,810 --> 00:46:17,441 {\an8}and that patter and that rhythm really got in deep for me. 1193 00:46:17,524 --> 00:46:20,527 And eventually when we did Oh, Hello... 1194 00:46:20,611 --> 00:46:22,362 {\an8}You got the chills? Are you sick? 1195 00:46:22,446 --> 00:46:23,614 {\an8}No, I got the chills 1196 00:46:23,697 --> 00:46:25,741 {\an8}from your magnificent performance. 1197 00:46:25,824 --> 00:46:27,910 NICK KROLL: So much of it is based on Carl Reiner, 1198 00:46:27,993 --> 00:46:29,369 Mel Brooks. 1199 00:46:29,453 --> 00:46:31,288 You know, I have mesothelioma. 1200 00:46:31,371 --> 00:46:33,540 -How did you get it? -From a commercial. 1201 00:46:33,624 --> 00:46:34,750 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1202 00:46:34,833 --> 00:46:36,627 Did you practice polygamy in those days? 1203 00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:39,379 I never practiced it. I was perfect at it. 1204 00:46:39,421 --> 00:46:40,547 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1205 00:46:40,589 --> 00:46:43,217 NICK: You watch two people so in sync 1206 00:46:43,300 --> 00:46:46,303 to the absolute pinnacle of what they could be, 1207 00:46:46,386 --> 00:46:48,889 and you feel the spark of improvisation in there. 1208 00:46:48,972 --> 00:46:51,767 It was absolutely the worst thing that ever happened to me. 1209 00:46:51,850 --> 00:46:53,519 -Why? -I used to come home from work 1210 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,270 and I'd open that door and I'd hear, 1211 00:46:55,354 --> 00:46:58,190 "You're late for supper, supper, supper, supper, supper." 1212 00:46:59,149 --> 00:47:02,319 {\an8}I was obsessed and mystified 1213 00:47:02,402 --> 00:47:05,405 {\an8}by how did they do that? 1214 00:47:05,447 --> 00:47:07,407 How did-- He just talks. 1215 00:47:07,491 --> 00:47:10,327 Carl Reiner just interviews him as this character, 1216 00:47:10,410 --> 00:47:12,246 and he has all these funny things to say. 1217 00:47:12,287 --> 00:47:13,288 We didn't-- 1218 00:47:13,372 --> 00:47:16,458 We were trying to figure out where funny came from. 1219 00:47:16,542 --> 00:47:17,960 Robin Hood, did he exist? 1220 00:47:18,043 --> 00:47:19,336 -A real person. -Really? 1221 00:47:19,419 --> 00:47:22,256 A real person with long hair and a green sunsuit, 1222 00:47:22,297 --> 00:47:25,592 and he ran around in the forest with a band of merry gentlemen. 1223 00:47:25,634 --> 00:47:27,427 JERRY SEINFELD: Here's what we didn't understand... 1224 00:47:27,469 --> 00:47:29,429 So, had he lived today, 1225 00:47:29,513 --> 00:47:31,765 he would have been a dress designer. 1226 00:47:31,849 --> 00:47:33,767 JERRY: When two very funny people... 1227 00:47:33,851 --> 00:47:35,060 Genghis Khan. 1228 00:47:35,102 --> 00:47:36,645 Genghis Cohen was his real name. 1229 00:47:36,728 --> 00:47:38,355 JERRY: ...look into each other's eyes... 1230 00:47:38,438 --> 00:47:40,357 -For what reason? -Business purposes. 1231 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,403 JERRY: ...it's like a third universe is created 1232 00:47:44,444 --> 00:47:46,613 just because they're together 1233 00:47:46,655 --> 00:47:49,700 and they're so happy to be together. 1234 00:47:49,783 --> 00:47:51,243 How long have you had that cane? 1235 00:47:51,285 --> 00:47:52,953 I've had this cane for three years. 1236 00:47:53,036 --> 00:47:54,663 -Who gave it to you? -I went to the opera 1237 00:47:54,746 --> 00:47:56,123 and I came home with it. 1238 00:47:56,206 --> 00:47:58,041 Are you trying to say you stole? 1239 00:47:58,125 --> 00:48:00,961 JUDD: Is that the first time the public saw you perform? 1240 00:48:01,044 --> 00:48:02,963 Just wipe it off just like that. That's wonderful. 1241 00:48:03,005 --> 00:48:04,256 MEL: No. The first appearance... 1242 00:48:04,298 --> 00:48:05,549 You missed a fingerprint over there. 1243 00:48:05,632 --> 00:48:06,800 Thank you so much, kid. That's fine. 1244 00:48:06,842 --> 00:48:09,636 MEL: ...it was on The Milton Berle Show. It was crazy. 1245 00:48:09,678 --> 00:48:12,848 And it was years before I got on to TV again. 1246 00:48:12,931 --> 00:48:14,474 And I don't know why I was on TV again. 1247 00:48:14,558 --> 00:48:15,893 Maybe because of Carl. 1248 00:48:15,976 --> 00:48:17,352 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1249 00:48:17,436 --> 00:48:19,229 That's an antisocial act. 1250 00:48:19,313 --> 00:48:20,814 -Well, that's me. -(LAUGHS) 1251 00:48:20,856 --> 00:48:22,190 Antisocial act. 1252 00:48:22,274 --> 00:48:26,194 MEL: Carl was a natural straight man in the world. 1253 00:48:26,278 --> 00:48:29,948 He had opportunities to score. He never did. 1254 00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:32,659 He always threw the big punchlines, 1255 00:48:32,743 --> 00:48:34,745 the big jokes to me. Always... 1256 00:48:34,828 --> 00:48:36,997 -He was so kind. -JUDD: Why was he so kind? 1257 00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,081 I don't know. 1258 00:48:38,165 --> 00:48:40,083 It was just a fault of his nature. You know... 1259 00:48:40,918 --> 00:48:42,669 JUDD: It's a thing you do at parties. 1260 00:48:42,753 --> 00:48:44,796 You put out the record without expectation. 1261 00:48:44,838 --> 00:48:45,797 MEL: Right. 1262 00:48:45,839 --> 00:48:47,215 JUDD: And was it something that was like 1263 00:48:47,299 --> 00:48:49,301 saving your ass in some way that this party-- 1264 00:48:49,343 --> 00:48:50,844 No, no saving any. 1265 00:48:50,886 --> 00:48:53,263 We just... joy, the joy of doing it. 1266 00:48:53,347 --> 00:48:55,349 -JUDD: Yeah. -And having people 1267 00:48:55,432 --> 00:48:57,017 grab their stomachs, tumble over, 1268 00:48:57,059 --> 00:48:58,435 and fall on the ground. 1269 00:48:58,518 --> 00:49:00,354 -JUDD: Yeah. -That was worth everything. 1270 00:49:00,437 --> 00:49:02,856 -JUDD: Yeah. -Carl, I used to knock Carl down 1271 00:49:02,940 --> 00:49:04,024 -once in a while. -JUDD: Yep. 1272 00:49:04,066 --> 00:49:06,068 By the way, how long have you been wearing this suit? 1273 00:49:06,151 --> 00:49:07,611 This is not a suit from 2,000 years ago. 1274 00:49:07,694 --> 00:49:09,363 -No, no. -This is a modern suit. Yes. 1275 00:49:09,404 --> 00:49:11,531 This is a new suit. Yes, I had this 100 years. 1276 00:49:11,615 --> 00:49:12,699 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1277 00:49:12,783 --> 00:49:15,911 -Yeah, about 100 years. -It looks rather well, sir. 1278 00:49:15,994 --> 00:49:17,204 -Is it really a-- -What's this year? 1279 00:49:17,287 --> 00:49:18,872 This year is 18-- 1961. 1280 00:49:18,914 --> 00:49:20,248 -Get out of there. -Yes. 1281 00:49:20,332 --> 00:49:21,458 -It is? -It is. 1282 00:49:21,541 --> 00:49:22,668 I bought this suit 1283 00:49:22,709 --> 00:49:25,128 in the beginning of the Civil War in 1861. 1284 00:49:25,212 --> 00:49:27,130 I bought canned goods and this suit 1285 00:49:27,214 --> 00:49:29,132 to get through the war, I knew I'd have something. 1286 00:49:29,216 --> 00:49:32,052 Yes. Well, I don't like to doubt you, sir, because... 1287 00:49:32,135 --> 00:49:33,679 -That's all right. -...the Mayo Clinic has said 1288 00:49:33,720 --> 00:49:35,806 -that you are 2,000-- -Yes, they've authenticated me. 1289 00:49:35,889 --> 00:49:37,057 -Yes. -Yes. 1290 00:49:37,140 --> 00:49:38,684 But how can we authenticate the suit? 1291 00:49:38,725 --> 00:49:40,852 Take a look at the tag. 1292 00:49:40,894 --> 00:49:42,729 Read the tag. Read it to the people. 1293 00:49:42,771 --> 00:49:45,232 -"This suit is 100 years old." -That's what it is. 1294 00:49:45,315 --> 00:49:48,902 -(LAUGHING) -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1295 00:49:48,944 --> 00:49:50,696 Well, who put that tag in there, sir? 1296 00:49:50,737 --> 00:49:51,738 When I bought it, I did, 1297 00:49:51,822 --> 00:49:54,074 because I knew I would get these questions. 1298 00:49:54,116 --> 00:49:55,617 Well, if you put that tag in there, 1299 00:49:55,701 --> 00:49:57,119 you knew it would last a hundred years. 1300 00:49:57,202 --> 00:49:58,578 JUDD: Did it strike you at the time, 1301 00:49:58,620 --> 00:50:00,747 like, how weird that this is the thing, 1302 00:50:00,831 --> 00:50:02,582 The 2000 Year Old Man, 1303 00:50:02,624 --> 00:50:04,918 that broke the whole thing through? 1304 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:06,461 Did it seem surprising? 1305 00:50:06,545 --> 00:50:08,171 Yeah, well, it was surprising to me. 1306 00:50:08,255 --> 00:50:09,756 I said, "Funny that, 1307 00:50:09,798 --> 00:50:12,926 you know, that this strange little Jewish character 1308 00:50:12,968 --> 00:50:14,678 would be my way 1309 00:50:15,470 --> 00:50:16,555 to comedy fame. 1310 00:50:16,596 --> 00:50:18,140 INTERVIEWER: Now to our story with Mel Brook, 1311 00:50:18,223 --> 00:50:19,766 whose-- Mel Brooks, 1312 00:50:19,850 --> 00:50:23,520 whose new hit funny record is 2000 Years with Carl Reiner. 1313 00:50:23,603 --> 00:50:24,604 MEL: Here, this one. 1314 00:50:24,688 --> 00:50:26,023 INTERVIEWER: Just how and when 1315 00:50:26,106 --> 00:50:28,150 did the desire to be a funny man hit you? 1316 00:50:28,233 --> 00:50:29,776 MEL: You're not interested in the psychodynamics 1317 00:50:29,860 --> 00:50:31,445 -of why somebody becomes funny. -INTERVIEWER: Yeah. 1318 00:50:31,528 --> 00:50:34,031 -MEL: I just tell you, funny. -INTERVIEWER: You could've been a shoe salesman. 1319 00:50:34,114 --> 00:50:36,158 -MEL: I could've been. -INTERVIEWER: You could've been a dentist. 1320 00:50:36,241 --> 00:50:38,493 You could've been all kinds of things. You decided to be a funny man. 1321 00:50:38,577 --> 00:50:40,454 -You wanted people to laugh at you. -MEL: I decided... Yes. 1322 00:50:40,537 --> 00:50:41,455 INTERVIEWER: Why? 1323 00:50:41,538 --> 00:50:42,789 MEL: Because I was little and I thought 1324 00:50:42,831 --> 00:50:44,291 that the-- that I could overcompensate 1325 00:50:44,374 --> 00:50:45,834 by getting love this way, 1326 00:50:45,917 --> 00:50:47,502 because I wasn't tall and blonde, 1327 00:50:47,586 --> 00:50:49,129 because I was short and ugly, 1328 00:50:49,171 --> 00:50:50,797 and I thought I'd get my love that way. 1329 00:50:50,881 --> 00:50:52,466 INTERVIEWER: Your family loved you, didn't they? 1330 00:50:52,507 --> 00:50:54,801 MEL: Well, what does that mean to me? My family is nothing. 1331 00:50:54,843 --> 00:50:56,136 INTERVIEWER: You wanted-- 1332 00:50:56,178 --> 00:50:57,888 MEL: I wanted the love of strangers, if you know what I mean. 1333 00:50:57,971 --> 00:50:59,639 -Would you like to hear a cat? -INTERVIEWER: Uh-huh. 1334 00:50:59,681 --> 00:51:01,016 MEL: (IMITATES CAT SHRIEKING) That's a cat. 1335 00:51:01,099 --> 00:51:03,143 -INTERVIEWER: How about a dog? -MEL: A dog? Ruff. 1336 00:51:03,185 --> 00:51:05,979 He is the original 2000 Year Old Man. 1337 00:51:06,063 --> 00:51:07,814 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome my co-host, 1338 00:51:07,856 --> 00:51:08,940 Mr. Mel Brooks. 1339 00:51:08,982 --> 00:51:10,150 (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 1340 00:51:10,233 --> 00:51:12,235 MEL: But this was not a great time for me 1341 00:51:12,319 --> 00:51:14,362 as far as making money was concerned. 1342 00:51:14,988 --> 00:51:16,573 My only income 1343 00:51:16,656 --> 00:51:19,242 was from the 2000 Year Old Man record 1344 00:51:19,326 --> 00:51:21,328 and a couple of TV appearances. 1345 00:51:21,411 --> 00:51:23,997 MEL: I was with the 1104th Engineer Combat Battalion. 1346 00:51:24,081 --> 00:51:25,457 JOHNNY CARSON: I'm surprised we won the war 1347 00:51:25,499 --> 00:51:26,666 with you over there. 1348 00:51:26,750 --> 00:51:28,668 MEL: I was on the very first Tonight Show, 1349 00:51:28,752 --> 00:51:30,045 starring Johnny Carson. 1350 00:51:30,128 --> 00:51:33,173 MEL: Did the shoot open or are you just short all the time? 1351 00:51:33,215 --> 00:51:35,258 You cannot write a love letter with a ballpoint. 1352 00:51:35,342 --> 00:51:36,968 MEL: I took almost any job I could get. 1353 00:51:37,010 --> 00:51:39,179 MEL: (AS ANNOUNCER) If you must express yourself, get a Bic Banana. 1354 00:51:39,221 --> 00:51:42,099 MEL: Even doing the voiceover for a commercial. 1355 00:51:42,724 --> 00:51:44,851 CAMERA ASSISTANT: Take 27. 1356 00:51:44,935 --> 00:51:46,853 MEL: And a Ballantine Beer commercial 1357 00:51:46,937 --> 00:51:48,105 with Dick Cavett. 1358 00:51:48,188 --> 00:51:50,065 DICK CAVETT: (OVER RECORDING) We're here at the beer festival, 1359 00:51:50,148 --> 00:51:52,067 and the 2,500 year old brew master 1360 00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:53,568 has tasted all the beers. 1361 00:51:53,652 --> 00:51:55,695 Can you tell us, sir, which one tasted best? 1362 00:51:55,779 --> 00:51:57,280 MEL: (WITH GERMAN ACCENT) Well, unfortunately, 1363 00:51:57,364 --> 00:51:59,533 just before I came to the beer festival, 1364 00:51:59,574 --> 00:52:01,701 I was at the garlic festival, 1365 00:52:01,743 --> 00:52:04,955 and I can't tell the difference between beer and coffee. 1366 00:52:05,038 --> 00:52:06,706 (DICK LAUGHS) 1367 00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:09,376 {\an8}MEL: (WITH NORMAL ACCENT) You can use some of that, right? 1368 00:52:09,459 --> 00:52:12,796 {\an8}It's possible that I first met him 1369 00:52:12,879 --> 00:52:15,841 {\an8}when we did the Ballantine Beer commercials. 1370 00:52:17,134 --> 00:52:18,635 Yeah, that had to be it 1371 00:52:18,718 --> 00:52:20,804 because I remember where there was a studio 1372 00:52:20,887 --> 00:52:25,559 and he pronounced me to be spectacularly gentile. 1373 00:52:25,642 --> 00:52:27,310 DICK: Here's a Neanderthal man right here 1374 00:52:27,394 --> 00:52:29,479 wearing some typical caveman clothes. 1375 00:52:29,563 --> 00:52:31,898 MEL: Yes, you'll notice the two darts in the side. 1376 00:52:31,982 --> 00:52:35,277 Those darts were hurled at me by Murray the Maniac. 1377 00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:36,653 He lives in the next cave. 1378 00:52:36,736 --> 00:52:37,904 DICK: Could it be something you said? 1379 00:52:37,988 --> 00:52:40,073 MEL: Well, I did call him a son of a bitch. 1380 00:52:40,115 --> 00:52:41,783 (MEL AND DICK LAUGH) 1381 00:52:41,867 --> 00:52:44,619 JUDD: You were rewriting Ladies' Man 1382 00:52:44,703 --> 00:52:45,912 for Jerry Lewis. 1383 00:52:45,996 --> 00:52:47,956 MEL: Yeah. I was warned. 1384 00:52:48,039 --> 00:52:49,416 They said he's a tough guy to work for. 1385 00:52:49,499 --> 00:52:50,625 He's very demanding. 1386 00:52:50,709 --> 00:52:52,627 I said, "I can... I work with Sid Caesar. 1387 00:52:52,711 --> 00:52:54,045 I can handle anybody." 1388 00:52:55,213 --> 00:52:56,756 But I really couldn't handle Jerry. 1389 00:52:56,798 --> 00:52:58,133 -He was-- -JUDD: Frustrating work. 1390 00:52:58,216 --> 00:53:01,094 It was very frustrating because... 1391 00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:05,682 I'd say, "Jerry, that's... that's a good joke. 1392 00:53:05,765 --> 00:53:07,726 I know jokes. It's my life. 1393 00:53:07,767 --> 00:53:10,187 I know what works. I know what gets laughs." 1394 00:53:11,313 --> 00:53:13,607 And... But I couldn't do it anymore. 1395 00:53:13,690 --> 00:53:14,733 JUDD: Yeah. 1396 00:53:15,567 --> 00:53:17,569 MEL: I couldn't take "No" anymore. 1397 00:53:20,488 --> 00:53:22,407 I came out to Hollywood to write a movie. 1398 00:53:22,449 --> 00:53:24,326 I was at Universal Studios. 1399 00:53:24,409 --> 00:53:26,286 There was another bungalow. We were working in a bungalow. 1400 00:53:26,328 --> 00:53:28,121 And on the top of the bungalow, it said, "Grant Art." 1401 00:53:28,163 --> 00:53:30,373 I said, "What does that mean? What the hell is Grant Art?" 1402 00:53:30,457 --> 00:53:32,334 He said, "Well, that's Cary Grant's company. 1403 00:53:32,417 --> 00:53:34,586 Grant Art, Grant Art." 1404 00:53:34,628 --> 00:53:38,215 I said, "Does Cary Grant ever come to that bungalow?" 1405 00:53:38,298 --> 00:53:39,633 He said, "Yeah, sure." 1406 00:53:39,716 --> 00:53:40,967 I'm walking down the steps, and I hear, 1407 00:53:41,009 --> 00:53:42,677 (IMITATES CARY GRANT) "Well, I don't believe it. 1408 00:53:42,761 --> 00:53:45,305 It's Mel Brooks. Mel Brooks, is that you?" 1409 00:53:45,388 --> 00:53:49,059 I said, "Oh my God. Oh my God. It's Cary Grant. 1410 00:53:49,142 --> 00:53:51,061 He's talking to me. I heard my name." 1411 00:53:51,144 --> 00:53:52,312 He said, 1412 00:53:52,354 --> 00:53:55,649 "I've spent a thousand dollars yesterday buying your record. 1413 00:53:55,690 --> 00:53:57,859 I've sent your records to all my friends. 1414 00:53:57,943 --> 00:54:00,153 It's the funniest damn record I've ever heard in my life. 1415 00:54:00,195 --> 00:54:01,196 I can't-- (SPEAKS GIBBERISH)" 1416 00:54:01,279 --> 00:54:02,864 And he said, "Come on, what are you doing?" 1417 00:54:02,948 --> 00:54:04,991 I said, "Well, I'm going into the lunchroom there." 1418 00:54:05,075 --> 00:54:06,451 He said, "Oh, the commissary, yeah, 1419 00:54:06,493 --> 00:54:07,911 come with me, bud, I'll buy you lunch." 1420 00:54:07,994 --> 00:54:09,913 "Oh my God, Cary Grant is going to buy me lunch." 1421 00:54:09,996 --> 00:54:10,914 (EXCLAIMS) 1422 00:54:10,997 --> 00:54:12,624 So, we go to the commissary together. 1423 00:54:12,666 --> 00:54:15,043 I walked past the guy, my friend Murray. 1424 00:54:15,126 --> 00:54:17,545 I said, "Murray, me and Cary are going to lunch." 1425 00:54:17,629 --> 00:54:18,755 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1426 00:54:18,838 --> 00:54:20,966 We left together and he said, walking down the path, 1427 00:54:21,007 --> 00:54:22,175 he said, "What's your favorite color?" 1428 00:54:22,259 --> 00:54:23,343 I said, "Blue." He said, "Yellow." 1429 00:54:23,385 --> 00:54:25,220 I said, "Yellow is yours, blue is mine." 1430 00:54:25,303 --> 00:54:27,430 "What's your favorite car?" I said, "A Buick." 1431 00:54:27,514 --> 00:54:29,266 He said, "A Rolls Royce." I said, "That's nice." 1432 00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:31,434 And we talked like that, you know. 1433 00:54:31,518 --> 00:54:34,020 He goes to Grant Art, I go to Schwartz. 1434 00:54:34,104 --> 00:54:35,981 Go into the bungalow. Everything is gone. 1435 00:54:36,022 --> 00:54:37,899 Next day. Ring. 1436 00:54:37,983 --> 00:54:39,609 "Is Mel Brooks there?" "Yeah, he's there." 1437 00:54:39,693 --> 00:54:40,777 "It's Cary Grant." 1438 00:54:40,860 --> 00:54:43,405 "It's Cary Grant for me." "Right. We, uh, going to lunch?" 1439 00:54:43,488 --> 00:54:45,407 "Yes, Cary. I'll meet you just outside." 1440 00:54:45,490 --> 00:54:46,866 "Okay, buddy." "Okay, pal." 1441 00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:48,118 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1442 00:54:48,201 --> 00:54:50,870 "We going to lunch?" Cary Grant walking around. "How you doing?" 1443 00:54:50,954 --> 00:54:52,330 "What do you like, double-breasted? 1444 00:54:52,372 --> 00:54:53,456 I like single-breasted, yeah." 1445 00:54:53,540 --> 00:54:55,083 "I like a red tie, you like a blue tie. 1446 00:54:55,166 --> 00:54:56,167 Isn't that great? 1447 00:54:56,209 --> 00:54:57,460 I love your hair. You like my hair? 1448 00:54:57,544 --> 00:54:58,670 Great, okay." 1449 00:54:58,712 --> 00:55:00,797 We go in, he has a boiled egg. I have a tuna fish sandwich. 1450 00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:01,881 We finish lunch. 1451 00:55:01,923 --> 00:55:04,217 Next day. Ring. "Mel, Car!" 1452 00:55:04,301 --> 00:55:07,387 Now, this time, by this time, we meet outside. 1453 00:55:07,470 --> 00:55:09,097 We're skipping to the lunchroom. 1454 00:55:09,180 --> 00:55:12,976 -(SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY) -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1455 00:55:13,059 --> 00:55:14,477 Me and Cary Grant, 1456 00:55:14,561 --> 00:55:17,147 Mel Brooks and Cary Grant, we're holding hands. 1457 00:55:17,230 --> 00:55:19,149 We-- We don't know what to do for each other. 1458 00:55:19,232 --> 00:55:21,776 We don't know what to say to each other. 1459 00:55:21,860 --> 00:55:23,945 Anyway, let me tell you the punchline. 1460 00:55:24,029 --> 00:55:28,616 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1461 00:55:28,700 --> 00:55:30,118 Comes Friday. 1462 00:55:30,702 --> 00:55:31,703 The phone rings. 1463 00:55:31,745 --> 00:55:33,580 It's Cary Grant. I said, "I'm not in." 1464 00:55:33,663 --> 00:55:40,503 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING, APPLAUDING) 1465 00:55:44,090 --> 00:55:46,426 Doctor, how do you know you've met the right one? 1466 00:55:46,509 --> 00:55:49,429 Well, you know when somebody's old enough, if you don't have to say, 1467 00:55:49,512 --> 00:55:52,307 "George, put your rattle down, we're eating now." 1468 00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:54,851 Seriously, how do you know you've met the right one? 1469 00:55:54,934 --> 00:55:56,061 You don't, um, 1470 00:55:56,102 --> 00:55:57,604 and that's why it's so difficult. 1471 00:55:57,687 --> 00:55:59,356 Theodore Reich said-- Excuse me. Theodore Reich said 1472 00:55:59,439 --> 00:56:01,107 that we marry each other 1473 00:56:01,191 --> 00:56:05,820 because we envy those traits in our partners and wish to, 1474 00:56:05,904 --> 00:56:07,447 you know, actually make them 1475 00:56:07,489 --> 00:56:09,032 part of our own character makeup. 1476 00:56:09,115 --> 00:56:10,367 And, so, we marry, 1477 00:56:10,450 --> 00:56:11,951 hoping to inculcate 1478 00:56:12,535 --> 00:56:14,871 their strange profile. 1479 00:56:14,954 --> 00:56:16,790 Marriage is really... 1480 00:56:16,831 --> 00:56:18,291 a good marriage should be 1481 00:56:18,333 --> 00:56:21,044 a good blend of the concavities and convexities 1482 00:56:21,127 --> 00:56:23,129 of our different emotional profiles 1483 00:56:23,213 --> 00:56:24,839 and our different character traits. 1484 00:56:24,923 --> 00:56:26,299 I'll tell you later at home, folks. 1485 00:56:26,383 --> 00:56:27,634 I don't want to get in the way. 1486 00:56:27,717 --> 00:56:29,052 Let's get back to the subject, shall we? 1487 00:56:29,135 --> 00:56:30,303 People get married... 1488 00:56:30,345 --> 00:56:31,638 -We love it. -Stop that! 1489 00:56:31,679 --> 00:56:33,306 People get married to keep them out of jail. 1490 00:56:33,348 --> 00:56:35,141 HOST: Oh, I see. 1491 00:56:35,183 --> 00:56:37,894 Because you're aroused and you get a little crazy, 1492 00:56:37,977 --> 00:56:39,396 you get married and it's legal. 1493 00:56:39,479 --> 00:56:42,065 -Now, seriously, I find that-- -(HOST LAUGHS LOUDLY) 1494 00:56:42,148 --> 00:56:43,566 Seriously, folks. 1495 00:56:43,650 --> 00:56:46,444 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1496 00:56:46,486 --> 00:56:48,238 Dr. Brothers, the age-old question, 1497 00:56:48,321 --> 00:56:50,615 how do you know when you're in love? 1498 00:56:50,657 --> 00:56:51,866 -Uh, we... -MEL: I know. 1499 00:56:51,950 --> 00:56:53,326 Can I answer that? 1500 00:56:53,410 --> 00:56:54,911 Just that. Just that. 1501 00:56:55,662 --> 00:56:57,038 You know when you know? 1502 00:56:57,122 --> 00:56:58,665 I'll tell you when you know when you're in love. 1503 00:56:58,748 --> 00:57:01,501 When your knees turn to jelly, and you begin to tremble, 1504 00:57:01,543 --> 00:57:03,002 and there's cotton in your mouth, 1505 00:57:03,086 --> 00:57:04,712 and you begin to shake and you begin to vibrate... 1506 00:57:04,796 --> 00:57:07,257 -HOST: You're over 65 then. -...and you begin to throb. 1507 00:57:07,340 --> 00:57:09,008 -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) -MEL: You're right. 1508 00:57:09,050 --> 00:57:11,886 I think I was describing Parkinson's disease. 1509 00:57:11,970 --> 00:57:13,680 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1510 00:57:13,763 --> 00:57:16,683 (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 1511 00:57:21,688 --> 00:57:24,232 What do you feel constitutes a good marriage? 1512 00:57:25,024 --> 00:57:26,109 Love. 1513 00:57:27,068 --> 00:57:28,528 -I'm serious. -Yeah. Okay. 1514 00:57:28,611 --> 00:57:29,863 -That's absolutely true. -Yes. 1515 00:57:29,946 --> 00:57:31,739 -I really think you have to-- -Like is important, too. 1516 00:57:31,823 --> 00:57:33,408 Oh, like is very important, but I mean, 1517 00:57:33,491 --> 00:57:35,535 I really feel that when you love someone, 1518 00:57:35,618 --> 00:57:37,036 like is an ingredient of love. 1519 00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,372 Exactly. And I... 1520 00:57:39,456 --> 00:57:41,708 -(CHUCKLES) -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1521 00:57:41,791 --> 00:57:44,335 -HOST: You did that so well. -(CHUCKLES) 1522 00:57:44,377 --> 00:57:46,254 HOST: Well, where did you and Mel first meet? 1523 00:57:46,337 --> 00:57:47,297 Um... 1524 00:57:47,380 --> 00:57:49,966 I was working with a guy called Charles Strouse 1525 00:57:50,049 --> 00:57:51,301 and Lee Adams, 1526 00:57:51,384 --> 00:57:53,887 and we were doing a show on Broadway 1527 00:57:53,970 --> 00:57:55,388 that didn't really make it. 1528 00:57:55,472 --> 00:57:56,556 It wasn't so bad. 1529 00:57:57,223 --> 00:57:58,558 {\an8}It wasn't so good. 1530 00:57:58,600 --> 00:57:59,726 {\an8}(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1531 00:57:59,809 --> 00:58:02,145 {\an8}MEL: It was called All American, starring Ray Bolger. 1532 00:58:04,439 --> 00:58:06,232 Charles Strouse said, "Come with me, 1533 00:58:06,274 --> 00:58:08,318 I have to go to a Perry Como rehearsal." 1534 00:58:09,277 --> 00:58:11,571 And there on stage, in a white dress, 1535 00:58:11,613 --> 00:58:12,739 is Anne Bancroft. 1536 00:58:12,822 --> 00:58:15,116 -♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -♪ It's not my cup of tea ♪ 1537 00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,077 ♪ They won't throw rice at me ♪ 1538 00:58:18,161 --> 00:58:19,621 ♪ For a while yet ♪ 1539 00:58:23,124 --> 00:58:25,543 ♪ I have no plan to wed ♪ 1540 00:58:26,294 --> 00:58:28,588 ♪ Be resolutely led ♪ 1541 00:58:29,255 --> 00:58:31,049 ♪ Down the aisle yet ♪ 1542 00:58:31,674 --> 00:58:33,551 ♪ With a smile yet ♪ 1543 00:58:34,886 --> 00:58:39,224 {\an8}♪ When the organ plays Oh, promise me ♪ 1544 00:58:39,265 --> 00:58:43,978 ♪ I will be an absentee ♪ 1545 00:58:44,062 --> 00:58:49,108 ♪ For the months I choose to be fancy free ♪ 1546 00:58:49,150 --> 00:58:52,111 ♪ They can throw old shoes ♪ 1547 00:58:52,195 --> 00:58:53,947 ♪ But they won't ♪ 1548 00:58:53,988 --> 00:58:55,281 ♪ (MUSIC TURNS UPBEAT) ♪ 1549 00:58:55,365 --> 00:58:56,783 ♪ Hit ♪ 1550 00:58:57,450 --> 00:58:58,618 ♪ Me ♪ 1551 00:58:58,701 --> 00:59:01,704 ANNE BANCROFT: I was singing "Married I Could Always Get." 1552 00:59:01,788 --> 00:59:05,291 ♪ I live the life That I'm used to ♪ 1553 00:59:05,375 --> 00:59:07,794 He was in the audience, and I was singing that, 1554 00:59:07,835 --> 00:59:11,047 and then he stood up and he said, 1555 00:59:11,130 --> 00:59:14,634 "Anne Bancroft? I'm Mel Brooks." 1556 00:59:14,676 --> 00:59:16,678 And I think she said, "Who gives a shit?" 1557 00:59:16,761 --> 00:59:19,847 I don't know, I'm not sure how she responded. 1558 00:59:19,931 --> 00:59:21,849 ♪ Married, I can always... ♪ 1559 00:59:21,933 --> 00:59:24,185 And then he followed me everywhere I went 1560 00:59:24,269 --> 00:59:25,520 for the next five days. 1561 00:59:25,603 --> 00:59:26,938 Where does she eat? Where does she go? 1562 00:59:26,980 --> 00:59:27,981 Where does she...? 1563 00:59:28,064 --> 00:59:29,357 Every night that week, 1564 00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:30,900 I checked on where she would be. 1565 00:59:30,984 --> 00:59:32,819 "Anne, I'm there at the Village--" 1566 00:59:32,902 --> 00:59:34,821 I'd show up at a restaurant she was at, 1567 00:59:34,862 --> 00:59:35,989 or a nightclub. 1568 00:59:36,030 --> 00:59:37,657 "Anne, every night--" 1569 00:59:37,699 --> 00:59:38,992 What the hell is going... 1570 00:59:39,033 --> 00:59:40,743 (HESITATES) I would end up everywhere she was. 1571 00:59:40,827 --> 00:59:41,911 I said, "It's kismet." 1572 00:59:41,995 --> 00:59:43,621 She said, "You're following me, it's not kismet. 1573 00:59:43,663 --> 00:59:44,998 You're following me. 1574 00:59:45,081 --> 00:59:46,249 No kismet here." 1575 00:59:46,332 --> 00:59:47,333 ♪ (UPLIFTING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1576 00:59:47,417 --> 00:59:49,335 ANNE: No matter where I said I was going, 1577 00:59:49,377 --> 00:59:51,045 he said he was going there. 1578 00:59:51,129 --> 00:59:52,589 It just went on and on. 1579 00:59:52,672 --> 00:59:55,383 The man never left me alone. Thank God. 1580 00:59:56,050 --> 00:59:57,218 ♪ Married ♪ 1581 00:59:58,761 --> 01:00:04,350 ♪ Give me the single life ♪ 1582 01:00:07,687 --> 01:00:10,732 -♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ -(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 1583 01:00:14,110 --> 01:00:16,195 JUDD: Right away, you thought, "I've met my match." 1584 01:00:16,279 --> 01:00:17,405 Yeah. 1585 01:00:18,823 --> 01:00:20,700 JUDD: And it's like where someone just gets you? 1586 01:00:20,742 --> 01:00:22,285 Yeah, she got... Exactly. 1587 01:00:22,368 --> 01:00:23,620 Eee... 1588 01:00:23,703 --> 01:00:25,371 -You said it. -JUDD: Yeah. 1589 01:00:25,413 --> 01:00:26,539 You said it. 1590 01:00:26,623 --> 01:00:28,708 -JUDD: Was she as funny as you? -She got me, she gets me. 1591 01:00:28,791 --> 01:00:30,460 JUDD: It seems like she was crazy funny. 1592 01:00:30,543 --> 01:00:31,878 She was crazy funny. 1593 01:00:31,919 --> 01:00:32,962 JUDD: Yeah. 1594 01:00:33,755 --> 01:00:35,381 (SIGHS) 1595 01:00:35,423 --> 01:00:39,010 -♪ (PIANO MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -♪ Hey, hey, hey Time after time ♪ 1596 01:00:40,219 --> 01:00:45,224 ♪ I tell myself That I am lucky ♪ 1597 01:00:45,308 --> 01:00:48,895 ♪ To be loving you ♪ 1598 01:00:48,978 --> 01:00:50,730 Don't be afraid, I don't fool around. 1599 01:00:50,772 --> 01:00:52,398 CARL: Remember Annie, remember Annie. 1600 01:00:52,482 --> 01:00:53,816 I had a tennis tournament, 1601 01:00:53,900 --> 01:00:56,444 and there was a guy named Don Meredith 1602 01:00:56,527 --> 01:00:57,695 in the audience, 1603 01:00:57,737 --> 01:00:59,280 and Mel Brooks got up to perform, 1604 01:00:59,364 --> 01:01:01,324 and Anne Bancroft was in the audience. 1605 01:01:03,409 --> 01:01:05,578 Don said it for all people. 1606 01:01:05,662 --> 01:01:07,997 He looked at Mel, he looked at Anne, 1607 01:01:08,581 --> 01:01:09,624 and he just said... 1608 01:01:11,668 --> 01:01:12,877 "I don't get that deal." 1609 01:01:14,045 --> 01:01:16,297 And most people just didn't get that deal. 1610 01:01:17,674 --> 01:01:20,385 But Mel and Anne, when they met, 1611 01:01:20,426 --> 01:01:21,969 it was just the opposite. 1612 01:01:22,053 --> 01:01:24,097 MEL: ♪ Time after time ♪. 1613 01:01:24,180 --> 01:01:26,766 ♪ I tell myself that I... ♪ 1614 01:01:26,808 --> 01:01:28,768 She came from the Bronx. I came from Brooklyn. 1615 01:01:28,810 --> 01:01:30,937 We both like scrambled eggs. Everything was terrific. 1616 01:01:30,978 --> 01:01:33,898 When were you aware that he, as he claims, 1617 01:01:33,940 --> 01:01:36,651 was in love with you instantly? 1618 01:01:36,734 --> 01:01:39,112 When was I aware that he was in love with me instantly? 1619 01:01:39,153 --> 01:01:40,613 INTERVIEWER: Yeah, that he had fallen in love-- 1620 01:01:40,697 --> 01:01:42,365 This moment. I had no idea 1621 01:01:42,448 --> 01:01:44,158 that he was in love with me instantly. 1622 01:01:44,242 --> 01:01:45,910 INTERVIEWER: No, that's what he said, that he-- 1623 01:01:45,952 --> 01:01:48,162 Oh, no, I was in love with him instantly. 1624 01:01:48,246 --> 01:01:50,039 -Really? Well, then both-- Yeah. -Instantly. 1625 01:01:50,123 --> 01:01:52,458 Because, you see, he looked like my father, 1626 01:01:52,542 --> 01:01:54,293 and he acted like my mother. 1627 01:01:54,377 --> 01:01:57,380 ♪ So lucky to be loving ♪ 1628 01:01:57,463 --> 01:01:59,465 Higher, higher. 1629 01:01:59,507 --> 01:02:01,926 (IN HIGH-PITCHED VOICE) ♪ Time after time ♪ 1630 01:02:01,968 --> 01:02:03,970 ♪ It's always you ♪ 1631 01:02:04,011 --> 01:02:09,225 (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 1632 01:02:09,308 --> 01:02:12,812 I knew the moment that I saw him that I was going to marry him. 1633 01:02:12,895 --> 01:02:13,980 I was madly in love 1634 01:02:14,063 --> 01:02:15,690 and I was going to marry that man. 1635 01:02:15,773 --> 01:02:17,567 But the thing about Mel is 1636 01:02:17,650 --> 01:02:21,654 that Mel is so funny and he knows all the answers, 1637 01:02:21,738 --> 01:02:22,989 but he's so vulnerable. 1638 01:02:23,030 --> 01:02:24,824 He's like a child every once in a while. 1639 01:02:24,907 --> 01:02:28,161 No, don't cry. Promise me you won't cry. 1640 01:02:28,244 --> 01:02:30,580 -That's true. Yes. Yes. Yes. -INTERVIEWER: But it's true. 1641 01:02:30,663 --> 01:02:31,831 And you think Mel Brooks, 1642 01:02:31,873 --> 01:02:33,583 when you're with somebody as witty 1643 01:02:33,666 --> 01:02:35,376 and as bright and sharp as Mel, 1644 01:02:35,460 --> 01:02:37,336 it's a little frightening every once in a while. 1645 01:02:37,378 --> 01:02:38,546 And you sit down with him. 1646 01:02:38,629 --> 01:02:40,673 I've never known anybody that's more interested 1647 01:02:40,715 --> 01:02:42,508 or more caring about other people than him. 1648 01:02:42,550 --> 01:02:45,011 Yeah. He's a very, very sweet man. 1649 01:02:47,013 --> 01:02:50,016 NICHOLAS: When my dad met Anne, 1650 01:02:50,516 --> 01:02:52,185 I did see my dad. 1651 01:02:52,226 --> 01:02:54,270 You know, to my mom's credit, 1652 01:02:54,353 --> 01:02:57,523 she never shut him out of our lives. 1653 01:02:57,607 --> 01:03:01,319 So, he would come to visit two, three, four times a week. 1654 01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:05,907 He would take us, you know, to the park or the movies 1655 01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:08,701 and, uh, spend time with us. 1656 01:03:08,743 --> 01:03:13,414 {\an8}But my parents separated when I was like, six months old. 1657 01:03:13,498 --> 01:03:16,542 {\an8}-♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -So, when I was, like, three... 1658 01:03:17,543 --> 01:03:20,171 and my mother remarried, 1659 01:03:20,213 --> 01:03:22,048 I had this stepfather, Ed, right? 1660 01:03:22,965 --> 01:03:23,966 Uh... 1661 01:03:24,050 --> 01:03:25,384 I thought he was my dad, 1662 01:03:26,093 --> 01:03:27,053 you know? 1663 01:03:27,136 --> 01:03:28,805 Now, there was this other guy 1664 01:03:28,888 --> 01:03:33,226 that came to take Steffie and Nicky out. 1665 01:03:33,267 --> 01:03:35,228 And I knew that was their father, 1666 01:03:36,062 --> 01:03:38,606 but... my father was Ed. 1667 01:03:39,899 --> 01:03:42,485 And then my mother sat me down and said... 1668 01:03:43,653 --> 01:03:45,112 "Oh, Ed's not your father. 1669 01:03:45,905 --> 01:03:47,240 Mel's your father." 1670 01:03:48,199 --> 01:03:49,784 I was like, "You mean the twitchy guy?" 1671 01:03:49,867 --> 01:03:50,952 You know? 1672 01:03:52,078 --> 01:03:54,831 MAX BROOKS: And when my mother met him, 1673 01:03:54,914 --> 01:03:58,584 {\an8}she understood that he comes with three kids. 1674 01:03:59,252 --> 01:04:00,670 So, when he left work, 1675 01:04:00,753 --> 01:04:03,297 there was going to be a couple hour delay 1676 01:04:03,381 --> 01:04:04,465 before he got home 1677 01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:06,259 because he always stopped to see those kids 1678 01:04:06,342 --> 01:04:07,969 before he came home. 1679 01:04:08,678 --> 01:04:10,137 But when they moved in together, 1680 01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:12,098 he was on his ass. 1681 01:04:12,139 --> 01:04:13,099 He had nothing. 1682 01:04:13,140 --> 01:04:14,600 My father didn't have a pot to piss in 1683 01:04:14,684 --> 01:04:15,768 when my mother met him. 1684 01:04:15,810 --> 01:04:17,520 He talks about how one time 1685 01:04:17,603 --> 01:04:19,272 they were at a Chinese restaurant, 1686 01:04:19,313 --> 01:04:21,774 and she'd slip him money under the table to pay, 1687 01:04:21,858 --> 01:04:23,442 so he could still be the man. 1688 01:04:23,484 --> 01:04:24,485 And he tipped, 1689 01:04:24,569 --> 01:04:26,112 and he tipped a little bit too much. 1690 01:04:26,153 --> 01:04:27,780 And she kicked him under the table and said, 1691 01:04:27,822 --> 01:04:29,490 "Oh, you're really generous with my money." 1692 01:04:30,157 --> 01:04:31,200 And... 1693 01:04:32,243 --> 01:04:34,787 my mother tells the story that... 1694 01:04:35,788 --> 01:04:37,915 when she started dating him, 1695 01:04:37,957 --> 01:04:40,084 someone else from the Show of Shows, 1696 01:04:40,626 --> 01:04:42,128 who resented my dad, 1697 01:04:42,169 --> 01:04:44,255 said, "Oh, I understand you're dating Mel. 1698 01:04:44,297 --> 01:04:46,716 You know he's over. Never going to work again." 1699 01:04:47,300 --> 01:04:49,051 Which everybody felt. 1700 01:04:49,135 --> 01:04:50,970 So, he was done. 1701 01:04:51,012 --> 01:04:52,638 And my mother saw something in him 1702 01:04:53,598 --> 01:04:54,974 and took care of him. 1703 01:04:58,394 --> 01:04:59,937 INTERVIEWER: When you were struggling, 1704 01:04:59,979 --> 01:05:01,480 really, not so successful, 1705 01:05:01,522 --> 01:05:02,732 at that time, 1706 01:05:02,815 --> 01:05:04,358 a lot of men really don't like it 1707 01:05:04,442 --> 01:05:06,319 if the woman is making more money than them, 1708 01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:07,987 if the woman is more successful than them. 1709 01:05:08,029 --> 01:05:09,530 How did you cope? Did you cope? 1710 01:05:09,614 --> 01:05:11,407 I didn't like it. I'm going to tell you the truth. 1711 01:05:11,490 --> 01:05:12,491 I didn't like it. 1712 01:05:12,533 --> 01:05:14,201 I didn't like her being the breadwinner. 1713 01:05:14,285 --> 01:05:17,663 I wanted to be the breadwinner. And it bothered me. 1714 01:05:17,705 --> 01:05:19,498 It bothered me financially, not artistically, 1715 01:05:19,540 --> 01:05:21,042 because she was a great artist, 1716 01:05:21,125 --> 01:05:23,628 and I didn't think, really, that her... 1717 01:05:25,004 --> 01:05:27,798 her great art should be, um.. 1718 01:05:28,758 --> 01:05:30,092 hidden under a bushel, 1719 01:05:30,176 --> 01:05:32,386 or I should deprive the world of that. 1720 01:05:32,470 --> 01:05:34,347 But the money bothered me. 1721 01:05:34,430 --> 01:05:37,224 We would often go out to dinner when I was broke. 1722 01:05:37,308 --> 01:05:39,268 I didn't have a penny, a sou, mind you, 1723 01:05:39,352 --> 01:05:41,187 and she'd have to pay. 1724 01:05:41,228 --> 01:05:42,772 Even The 2000 Year Old Man, 1725 01:05:42,855 --> 01:05:44,607 the records I made with Carl Reiner, 1726 01:05:44,690 --> 01:05:46,609 didn't really make a lot of money for a while 1727 01:05:46,692 --> 01:05:47,944 until they caught on. 1728 01:05:48,027 --> 01:05:49,862 And so, I was penniless for a while, 1729 01:05:49,904 --> 01:05:51,238 and Anne kept me going. 1730 01:05:52,323 --> 01:05:55,117 Those were pretty rough days, very rough for me. 1731 01:05:55,201 --> 01:05:58,454 It was heartbreaking that, you know, but... 1732 01:05:58,537 --> 01:06:01,874 Finally, Get Smart happened with Don Adams. 1733 01:06:01,916 --> 01:06:03,209 I began to make some money. 1734 01:06:03,250 --> 01:06:05,127 {\an8}Maxwell Smart, Agent 86. 1735 01:06:05,211 --> 01:06:06,837 {\an8}86, report to headquarters immediately. 1736 01:06:06,879 --> 01:06:08,756 {\an8}Just a minute. Who is this? 1737 01:06:08,839 --> 01:06:09,882 Get in here, Max, 1738 01:06:09,966 --> 01:06:12,134 or I'll personally tear you apart. 1739 01:06:12,218 --> 01:06:13,928 That's good enough for me, Chief. 1740 01:06:14,011 --> 01:06:15,096 I'll be right over. 1741 01:06:15,179 --> 01:06:17,223 How did Get Smart come about? 1742 01:06:17,306 --> 01:06:19,642 Well, we wanted to do, Buck Henry and I, 1743 01:06:19,725 --> 01:06:21,060 who's the co-creator of Get Smart... 1744 01:06:21,102 --> 01:06:22,895 This is 86 reporting into control. 1745 01:06:22,937 --> 01:06:24,355 MEL: We wanted to do something about... 1746 01:06:24,397 --> 01:06:25,439 Allow me, Princess. 1747 01:06:26,482 --> 01:06:28,109 MEL: ...the James Bond thing. 1748 01:06:28,192 --> 01:06:29,986 But we wanted to have an inept agent. 1749 01:06:30,069 --> 01:06:31,570 A stumblebum agent. 1750 01:06:31,654 --> 01:06:32,655 -99? -Yes, 86? 1751 01:06:32,738 --> 01:06:34,573 Put plan 49K into effect immediately. 1752 01:06:34,615 --> 01:06:35,741 That's 49K. 1753 01:06:35,783 --> 01:06:37,368 Somebody who would screw a silencer in 1754 01:06:37,410 --> 01:06:38,995 and make a louder sound. 1755 01:06:39,078 --> 01:06:41,414 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1756 01:06:41,497 --> 01:06:42,790 MEL: We got Don Adams and it's... 1757 01:06:42,873 --> 01:06:44,166 Actually, Chief, I don't think 1758 01:06:44,250 --> 01:06:46,210 I'll be needing the smoke pellet. 1759 01:06:46,252 --> 01:06:47,545 Would you believe it's a hit? 1760 01:06:49,755 --> 01:06:52,925 MEL: Get Smart freed me from the tyranny 1761 01:06:52,967 --> 01:06:56,012 of having to do like the Victor Borge special. 1762 01:06:56,095 --> 01:06:58,639 And I didn't want my agent to call me and say, 1763 01:06:58,723 --> 01:07:01,100 "Mitzi Gaynor needs a big joke," you know? 1764 01:07:01,142 --> 01:07:02,810 (INTERVIEWER LAUGHS) 1765 01:07:02,893 --> 01:07:04,812 Because she just wasn't Sid Caesar. 1766 01:07:04,895 --> 01:07:06,105 Let's face it. 1767 01:07:06,188 --> 01:07:09,150 ♪ (UPBEAT JAZZ MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1768 01:07:23,664 --> 01:07:26,959 MEL: So, Get Smart came along, paid the rent for a while. 1769 01:07:27,001 --> 01:07:29,003 {\an8}I was able to marry Anne. 1770 01:07:29,086 --> 01:07:31,297 {\an8}I was able to write The Producers 1771 01:07:31,380 --> 01:07:32,548 on the side. 1772 01:07:36,469 --> 01:07:38,971 The Producers was called "Springtime for Hitler." 1773 01:07:39,055 --> 01:07:41,515 That was its original title. 1774 01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:43,476 JUDD: And in that period after the war, 1775 01:07:43,517 --> 01:07:45,186 before Your Show of Shows, 1776 01:07:45,269 --> 01:07:47,563 didn't you work for a producer at that time? 1777 01:07:47,646 --> 01:07:49,356 I worked for Benjamin Kutcher. 1778 01:07:50,608 --> 01:07:52,693 {\an8}JUDD: Is that what The Producers is based on? 1779 01:07:52,777 --> 01:07:54,320 {\an8}MEL: Based on that guy. 1780 01:07:54,653 --> 01:07:55,821 (MOANING) 1781 01:07:55,905 --> 01:07:58,157 -Mr. Bialystock? Mr. Bialystock? -MEL: I knocked at the door 1782 01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:01,202 -and I entered. -Oh, how do you do? Oh my God. 1783 01:08:01,285 --> 01:08:02,828 He said, "What are you doing? 1784 01:08:02,870 --> 01:08:03,996 We're busy here." 1785 01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,582 Don't you just say oops and get out. 1786 01:08:06,665 --> 01:08:07,708 (HESITATES) 1787 01:08:07,792 --> 01:08:09,293 MEL: Wait for "Enter" 1788 01:08:09,335 --> 01:08:13,089 before you stumble in and destroy everything. 1789 01:08:13,172 --> 01:08:14,673 -(DOOR SLAMS) -(GIGGLES) 1790 01:08:14,715 --> 01:08:17,259 -MEL: And then Mr. Kutcher, he says... -Oops. 1791 01:08:17,343 --> 01:08:18,969 Who are you? What do you want? 1792 01:08:19,011 --> 01:08:20,805 Why are you loitering in my hallway? 1793 01:08:21,347 --> 01:08:22,389 Speak, dummy, speak! 1794 01:08:22,473 --> 01:08:25,476 "Tell me, what did you see when you first came in?" 1795 01:08:26,977 --> 01:08:29,105 "What did I see? Nothing. 1796 01:08:29,188 --> 01:08:31,941 I saw nothing. I didn't see a thing." 1797 01:08:32,024 --> 01:08:34,819 Come in, Mr. Tech. 1798 01:08:34,860 --> 01:08:37,863 MEL: So, I took from life and threw it right in. 1799 01:08:38,447 --> 01:08:39,490 JUDD: Was he shady? 1800 01:08:39,532 --> 01:08:40,699 Oh, yeah, oh. 1801 01:08:41,826 --> 01:08:43,911 He was Mr. Shady. 1802 01:08:43,994 --> 01:08:45,287 Don't forget the checky. 1803 01:08:45,371 --> 01:08:47,289 Can't produce plays without checky. 1804 01:08:47,373 --> 01:08:49,083 You can count on me. 1805 01:08:49,750 --> 01:08:50,918 MEL: Every day, 1806 01:08:51,001 --> 01:08:52,545 there'd be three or four little old ladies 1807 01:08:52,628 --> 01:08:55,214 who could just about manage to get up the steps. 1808 01:08:55,798 --> 01:08:57,258 He would invariably 1809 01:08:57,341 --> 01:09:00,219 make love to them on a cracked leather couch. 1810 01:09:00,302 --> 01:09:02,012 And they'd always write out 1811 01:09:02,054 --> 01:09:03,722 a check to his current production, 1812 01:09:03,806 --> 01:09:06,016 which was always named "Cash." 1813 01:09:06,058 --> 01:09:07,893 That was the name of his current play, 1814 01:09:07,977 --> 01:09:09,895 -"Cash." They'd come with-- -HOST: Cash the Musical. 1815 01:09:09,979 --> 01:09:11,897 Cash the Musical, Cash the Drama, 1816 01:09:11,981 --> 01:09:13,482 Cash the Comedy. It was always "Cash." 1817 01:09:13,566 --> 01:09:15,484 Is it all right? I made it out to "Cash." 1818 01:09:15,568 --> 01:09:17,069 You didn't tell me the name of the play. 1819 01:09:17,153 --> 01:09:20,072 Fine. Fine. Good. Good. 1820 01:09:20,114 --> 01:09:22,241 MEL: And he was the character that was in my mind. 1821 01:09:22,283 --> 01:09:23,409 Call me Max. 1822 01:09:23,450 --> 01:09:25,369 You know, I don't let everybody call me Max. 1823 01:09:25,411 --> 01:09:27,163 It's only those people I like. 1824 01:09:27,246 --> 01:09:29,415 MEL: And I was the Leo Bloom, the little caterpillar. 1825 01:09:29,498 --> 01:09:32,001 -And you can call me Leo. -I already have. 1826 01:09:32,084 --> 01:09:33,586 MEL: Then I began to write it as that. 1827 01:09:33,669 --> 01:09:36,005 LEO: I want everything I've ever seen in the movies! 1828 01:09:36,088 --> 01:09:38,924 MEL: And the movie is the result of a dream that came true. 1829 01:09:39,008 --> 01:09:40,217 LEO: I'll do it! 1830 01:09:41,427 --> 01:09:43,304 By God, I'll do it! 1831 01:09:43,387 --> 01:09:46,390 He'll do it! He'll do it! 1832 01:09:47,641 --> 01:09:49,643 ♪ (LIVELY MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1833 01:09:53,022 --> 01:09:55,149 Now, you're a writer and you're a director. 1834 01:09:55,232 --> 01:09:58,194 Yes, I've written and directed a new motion flick 1835 01:09:58,277 --> 01:09:59,820 called The Producers, 1836 01:09:59,904 --> 01:10:03,490 starring Zero Mostel and introducing Gene Wilder. 1837 01:10:03,574 --> 01:10:06,118 -Gene Wilder? -Yes, I liked him immediately. 1838 01:10:06,202 --> 01:10:08,454 He was talented and he worked for a dollar-eighty. 1839 01:10:08,537 --> 01:10:10,664 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 1840 01:10:10,748 --> 01:10:12,082 INTERVIEWER: I would have thought 1841 01:10:12,124 --> 01:10:13,292 a watershed in your career came 1842 01:10:13,334 --> 01:10:15,336 when you met Mel Brooks. 1843 01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:16,962 Did you see it 1844 01:10:17,004 --> 01:10:18,380 as an important meeting right away? 1845 01:10:18,797 --> 01:10:20,049 (LAUGHS) 1846 01:10:21,258 --> 01:10:22,426 INTERVIEWER: What's so funny? 1847 01:10:22,468 --> 01:10:25,471 -(LAUGHS) -(INTERVIEWER LAUGHS) 1848 01:10:25,554 --> 01:10:28,807 When God spoke to Moses the first time, if you ask him, 1849 01:10:28,891 --> 01:10:30,726 "Was that significant in your life?" 1850 01:10:30,809 --> 01:10:32,686 (LAUGHS) 1851 01:10:32,770 --> 01:10:33,938 INTERVIEWER: It was like that, was it? 1852 01:10:33,979 --> 01:10:36,190 Yes, when the bush actually went on fire. 1853 01:10:36,273 --> 01:10:37,650 (LAUGHS) 1854 01:10:37,733 --> 01:10:40,152 I would say it had some minor importance, yes. 1855 01:10:40,236 --> 01:10:41,195 (INTERVIEWER LAUGHS) 1856 01:10:41,278 --> 01:10:42,696 It's absolutely amazing. 1857 01:10:43,739 --> 01:10:45,074 But under the right circumstances, 1858 01:10:45,157 --> 01:10:46,825 a producer could make more money with a flop 1859 01:10:46,867 --> 01:10:48,118 than he could with a hit. 1860 01:10:49,119 --> 01:10:50,621 The Producers is a story about 1861 01:10:50,663 --> 01:10:52,539 a producer and an accountant. 1862 01:10:52,623 --> 01:10:53,707 Yes. 1863 01:10:53,791 --> 01:10:55,584 MEL: And they devise a scheme, 1864 01:10:55,668 --> 01:10:57,670 and their scheme is to produce a flop. 1865 01:10:57,711 --> 01:10:59,838 A-ha! So, in order for this scheme to work, 1866 01:10:59,922 --> 01:11:02,174 we'd have to find a surefire flop. 1867 01:11:02,258 --> 01:11:03,342 What scheme? 1868 01:11:03,384 --> 01:11:06,845 So, they're looking for the worst play in the world. 1869 01:11:06,929 --> 01:11:09,431 How do you make the worst play in the world? 1870 01:11:09,515 --> 01:11:12,017 First, you gotta get the worst script in the world. 1871 01:11:12,059 --> 01:11:14,353 "Springtime for Hitler." 1872 01:11:14,436 --> 01:11:18,274 "A gay romp with Adolf and Eva at Berchtesgaden." 1873 01:11:19,233 --> 01:11:21,026 -Wow. -Wow. 1874 01:11:21,068 --> 01:11:24,071 MEL: I loved the idea. I loved the idea. 1875 01:11:24,154 --> 01:11:25,739 Hello, boys. 1876 01:11:25,823 --> 01:11:30,202 Can make more money with a flop than you can with a hit. Boom. 1877 01:11:30,244 --> 01:11:31,370 What do you want? 1878 01:11:31,453 --> 01:11:34,373 Relax, relax, Mr. Liebkind. We're not from the government. 1879 01:11:34,415 --> 01:11:36,041 We came here to talk about your play. 1880 01:11:36,125 --> 01:11:37,710 My play? 1881 01:11:37,793 --> 01:11:40,879 You mean Springtime for... you know who? 1882 01:11:40,921 --> 01:11:42,381 -MAX: Yes. -What about it? 1883 01:11:42,423 --> 01:11:44,383 DANA GOULD: When they were getting ready to make The Producers... 1884 01:11:44,466 --> 01:11:45,718 We love it. We think it's a masterpiece. 1885 01:11:45,759 --> 01:11:46,802 That's why we're here. 1886 01:11:46,885 --> 01:11:48,554 We wish to produce it on Broadway. 1887 01:11:48,595 --> 01:11:52,224 {\an8}...Dustin Hoffman was signed to play the playwright. 1888 01:11:52,308 --> 01:11:54,893 (EXCLAIMS) Oh, joy of joys. 1889 01:11:54,935 --> 01:11:57,563 -DANA: And Mel told me... -Oh, dream of dreams. 1890 01:11:57,604 --> 01:12:01,525 I'm in my apartment and I hear, "Mel! Mel!" 1891 01:12:01,567 --> 01:12:04,028 And I look down onto Bleecker Street, 1892 01:12:04,069 --> 01:12:05,738 and there's Dustin Hoffman. 1893 01:12:05,779 --> 01:12:07,781 I open the window. I go, "Hey, what's going on?" 1894 01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:09,241 And he goes, 1895 01:12:09,283 --> 01:12:11,577 "I might have a problem with The Producers." 1896 01:12:11,618 --> 01:12:13,078 And I go, "Why? What's the problem?" 1897 01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:15,873 He goes, "Well, they're flying me out to the coast, 1898 01:12:15,914 --> 01:12:18,792 and I'm going to audition for a Mike Nichols movie." 1899 01:12:19,501 --> 01:12:21,253 And I go, "The one Anne's in?" 1900 01:12:21,754 --> 01:12:23,255 He goes, "Yeah." 1901 01:12:23,297 --> 01:12:25,090 I go, "What-- What role?" 1902 01:12:25,632 --> 01:12:27,760 He goes, "The lead." 1903 01:12:27,801 --> 01:12:31,764 And I think, "Oh, well, just let me know. Good luck." 1904 01:12:31,847 --> 01:12:33,474 And I closed the window and I thought, 1905 01:12:33,557 --> 01:12:34,475 "I'm not worried." 1906 01:12:34,558 --> 01:12:36,769 {\an8}Mrs. Robinson, you're trying to seduce me. 1907 01:12:36,852 --> 01:12:38,103 {\an8}(LAUGHS) 1908 01:12:39,355 --> 01:12:40,439 Aren't you? 1909 01:12:40,481 --> 01:12:43,108 But we got Kenny Mars. (LAUGHS) 1910 01:12:43,192 --> 01:12:45,444 ♪ (UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1911 01:12:46,945 --> 01:12:48,614 JUDD: How'd you study up to even know 1912 01:12:48,697 --> 01:12:49,948 how to be a director? 1913 01:12:49,990 --> 01:12:52,159 MEL: I didn't. I didn't do a thing. 1914 01:12:52,242 --> 01:12:53,577 I just said, 1915 01:12:53,619 --> 01:12:57,373 "I'm going to say... 'Action' and see what happens." 1916 01:12:58,957 --> 01:13:01,460 I only need one word. Courage. 1917 01:13:02,294 --> 01:13:03,629 The courage to do it. 1918 01:13:05,047 --> 01:13:06,382 I was just a traffic cop. 1919 01:13:06,465 --> 01:13:08,175 I mean, I did very little directing. 1920 01:13:08,258 --> 01:13:12,012 With Gene, I did very soft and quiet lying 1921 01:13:12,096 --> 01:13:13,806 and told him that he was a genius 1922 01:13:13,889 --> 01:13:16,058 and that we were so fortunate to have him. 1923 01:13:16,141 --> 01:13:18,602 And then I would go to Zero and I would scream, 1924 01:13:18,644 --> 01:13:20,354 "Without you, we're finished!" 1925 01:13:20,437 --> 01:13:22,189 (SCREAMS, GASPS) My-- 1926 01:13:22,272 --> 01:13:24,775 My blanket, my blue blanket! Give me my blue blanket! 1927 01:13:24,817 --> 01:13:25,859 (BABBLING) 1928 01:13:25,943 --> 01:13:27,778 MATTHEW BRODERICK: Gene was, aside from being 1929 01:13:27,820 --> 01:13:29,571 just the greatest at everything, 1930 01:13:29,655 --> 01:13:32,950 he was particularly good at any kind of hysterics. 1931 01:13:32,991 --> 01:13:36,286 (WHINGING) 1932 01:13:36,328 --> 01:13:37,413 {\an8}Nobody can do that. 1933 01:13:37,496 --> 01:13:39,039 {\an8}I mean, you can't really touch it. 1934 01:13:39,123 --> 01:13:42,668 {\an8}-At least I can't, you know? -And famously, they were filming 1935 01:13:42,751 --> 01:13:45,546 that scene, the blue blanket scene... 1936 01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:48,048 I'm wet. 1937 01:13:48,674 --> 01:13:49,716 I'm wet. 1938 01:13:50,426 --> 01:13:52,136 I'm hysterical and I'm wet. 1939 01:13:53,470 --> 01:13:56,515 I'm in pain and I'm wet. 1940 01:13:56,598 --> 01:13:58,642 Mel decided, you know, 1941 01:13:58,684 --> 01:14:01,395 it was just a little small budget film and they-- 1942 01:14:01,478 --> 01:14:04,565 you know, and he said, at the end of the day, 1943 01:14:04,648 --> 01:14:06,358 they had been filming all day, he said, 1944 01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:09,611 "We're gonna try to do the scene in the office." 1945 01:14:09,695 --> 01:14:11,029 And Gene was like, 1946 01:14:11,071 --> 01:14:14,032 "Oh, Mel, can we wait and do it in the morning when I'm fresh? 1947 01:14:14,074 --> 01:14:17,536 I'm so tired. I don't think I have the energy to do that." 1948 01:14:17,578 --> 01:14:19,997 And he sent out for candy bars. 1949 01:14:20,038 --> 01:14:22,583 He gave him a lot of coffee and candy bars, 1950 01:14:22,666 --> 01:14:24,042 and then they shot that scene. 1951 01:14:24,126 --> 01:14:26,795 I'm an honest man. You don't understand. 1952 01:14:26,879 --> 01:14:29,047 No, Bloom, you don't understand. This is fate! 1953 01:14:29,131 --> 01:14:31,258 This is destiny! This is kismet! 1954 01:14:31,341 --> 01:14:32,593 There's no avoiding it. 1955 01:14:32,676 --> 01:14:34,636 Mr. Bialystock, not more than five minutes ago, 1956 01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:35,762 I doctored your books. 1957 01:14:35,846 --> 01:14:37,431 MEL: It wasn't in the script originally, 1958 01:14:37,514 --> 01:14:39,933 but when Gene fell, I yelled down at him. 1959 01:14:40,017 --> 01:14:42,060 (YELLING) Oh! 1960 01:14:42,102 --> 01:14:43,937 I want that money! 1961 01:14:44,021 --> 01:14:46,899 -MEL: Say... -Ooh, I fell on my keys. 1962 01:14:46,982 --> 01:14:49,693 It's nonsense. It doesn't help the movie. 1963 01:14:49,735 --> 01:14:51,904 -But it's so unique. -(JUDD CHUCKLES) 1964 01:14:51,945 --> 01:14:54,698 And so... Why would he confer? 1965 01:14:54,740 --> 01:14:56,200 Why would he tell us? 1966 01:14:56,241 --> 01:15:00,245 So, I decided to split the difference between 1967 01:15:00,287 --> 01:15:02,748 smart comedy and cheap comedy. 1968 01:15:02,831 --> 01:15:05,042 -JUDD: Yeah. -And cheap always won. 1969 01:15:05,083 --> 01:15:10,172 (INDISTINCT CLAMOR) 1970 01:15:14,051 --> 01:15:16,178 This is bedlam. Bedlam! 1971 01:15:17,304 --> 01:15:19,056 We must have some order! 1972 01:15:21,058 --> 01:15:24,144 -(INDISTINCT CLAMOR) -(ROGER DE BRIS YELLING) 1973 01:15:24,228 --> 01:15:27,773 Will the dancing Hitlers please wait in the wings? 1974 01:15:27,856 --> 01:15:30,108 We are only seeing singing Hitlers. 1975 01:15:30,192 --> 01:15:32,277 (GROUP GROANING) 1976 01:15:32,361 --> 01:15:34,279 INTERVIEWER: Well, you're a famous writer, 1977 01:15:34,363 --> 01:15:36,615 and you're a great composer, too. 1978 01:15:36,698 --> 01:15:38,325 Oh. (CHUCKLES) 1979 01:15:38,408 --> 01:15:41,161 It's nothing, but I mean it's nothing. 1980 01:15:41,245 --> 01:15:44,122 INTERVIEWER: No, you wrote that Vinerian masterpiece, 1981 01:15:44,206 --> 01:15:46,625 which is called "Springtime for Hitler." 1982 01:15:46,667 --> 01:15:47,960 Yes, it's... (LAUGHS) 1983 01:15:48,043 --> 01:15:50,587 INTERVIEWER: Maybe you could sing it for the French TV viewers, no? 1984 01:15:51,380 --> 01:15:53,674 (MUTTERING INDISTINCTLY) 1985 01:15:53,757 --> 01:15:55,300 ♪ Germany was having trouble ♪ 1986 01:15:55,384 --> 01:15:56,552 Yeah, that's it. 1987 01:15:56,635 --> 01:15:58,637 ♪ (SINGING IN FRENCH) ♪ Okay, Germany. 1988 01:15:58,679 --> 01:16:01,515 ♪ Germany was having trouble What a sad, sad story ♪ 1989 01:16:01,598 --> 01:16:04,601 ♪ Needed a new leader To restore its former glory ♪ 1990 01:16:04,643 --> 01:16:08,146 ♪ Where or where was he? Where could that man be? ♪ 1991 01:16:08,230 --> 01:16:10,816 ♪ We looked around Until we found ♪ 1992 01:16:10,857 --> 01:16:13,819 ♪ The man for you and me ♪ 1993 01:16:13,860 --> 01:16:16,655 ♪ And now it's... ♪ 1994 01:16:16,738 --> 01:16:19,825 ♪ Springtime for Hitler ♪ 1995 01:16:19,908 --> 01:16:22,828 ♪ And Germany ♪ 1996 01:16:23,704 --> 01:16:29,626 ♪ Deutschland is happy and gay ♪ 1997 01:16:30,544 --> 01:16:35,799 ♪ We're marching To a faster pace ♪ 1998 01:16:37,384 --> 01:16:42,848 ♪ Look out Here comes the master race ♪ 1999 01:16:42,931 --> 01:16:45,058 MEL: What makes The Producers work 2000 01:16:45,142 --> 01:16:46,268 is humanity. 2001 01:16:47,352 --> 01:16:49,021 Bloom is a caterpillar, 2002 01:16:49,104 --> 01:16:51,398 afraid to become a butterfly. 2003 01:16:51,481 --> 01:16:53,692 He's scared, like a lot of people are scared. 2004 01:16:53,775 --> 01:16:56,069 He's the hidden ego. 2005 01:16:56,153 --> 01:16:57,946 And then you got this other character, 2006 01:16:58,030 --> 01:16:59,281 who's a monster, 2007 01:16:59,823 --> 01:17:01,366 but he's beloved. 2008 01:17:01,408 --> 01:17:03,243 He's the id, he's the animal. 2009 01:17:03,327 --> 01:17:05,537 And that's Max Bialystock. 2010 01:17:05,579 --> 01:17:07,372 And they need each other, they're symbiotic, 2011 01:17:07,414 --> 01:17:08,749 they help each other. 2012 01:17:08,832 --> 01:17:11,126 And that's really the love story. 2013 01:17:11,209 --> 01:17:13,795 ♪ ("SPRINGTIME FOR HITLER" BY MEL BROOKS PLAYING) ♪ 2014 01:17:13,879 --> 01:17:15,380 ♪ I was born in Dusseldorf ♪ 2015 01:17:15,464 --> 01:17:17,299 ♪ And that is why They call me Rolf ♪ 2016 01:17:19,468 --> 01:17:23,555 ♪ Don't be stupid, be a smarty Come and join the Nazi party ♪ 2017 01:17:23,597 --> 01:17:24,723 MEL: And then, of course, 2018 01:17:24,806 --> 01:17:27,559 you add a brushstroke of Hitler to anything. 2019 01:17:27,601 --> 01:17:28,894 It's magic. 2020 01:17:28,935 --> 01:17:34,358 ♪ Springtime for Hitler And Germany ♪ 2021 01:17:36,193 --> 01:17:39,946 ♪ U-boats are sailing Once more ♪ 2022 01:17:40,030 --> 01:17:43,575 Well! Talk about bad taste. 2023 01:17:43,617 --> 01:17:47,079 ♪ Springtime for Hitler ♪ 2024 01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:51,124 ♪ And Germany ♪ 2025 01:17:51,208 --> 01:17:54,544 ♪ Means that soon We'll be going ♪ 2026 01:17:54,586 --> 01:17:57,422 ♪ We've got to be going ♪ 2027 01:17:57,464 --> 01:18:00,842 ♪ You know we'll be going ♪ 2028 01:18:00,926 --> 01:18:06,932 ♪ To war ♪ 2029 01:18:06,973 --> 01:18:08,600 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLDUES) ♪ 2030 01:18:15,524 --> 01:18:20,028 -(CHEERRING) -(ANGRY CHATTER) 2031 01:18:20,112 --> 01:18:22,531 JUDD: After World War II, 2032 01:18:22,614 --> 01:18:25,826 did people make fun of Hitler in that way? 2033 01:18:25,909 --> 01:18:27,369 No. 2034 01:18:27,452 --> 01:18:29,496 I think I was the only one doing it. 2035 01:18:30,622 --> 01:18:31,665 You know? 2036 01:18:31,748 --> 01:18:34,334 I don't know why I should be proud, 2037 01:18:34,418 --> 01:18:36,336 but I have a feeling of pride 2038 01:18:36,420 --> 01:18:39,506 when I say I was the only one doing Hitler jokes. 2039 01:18:39,589 --> 01:18:42,551 Did the importance of it come up later? 2040 01:18:42,634 --> 01:18:45,887 The significance of making fun of fascism and Nazis? 2041 01:18:45,971 --> 01:18:46,930 MEL: No. 2042 01:18:46,972 --> 01:18:48,432 Or did you know the whole time, like, 2043 01:18:48,473 --> 01:18:50,517 this is significant to do this? 2044 01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,770 It's significant to do it because it got a lot of laughs. 2045 01:18:54,396 --> 01:18:55,647 I made a comedy 2046 01:18:56,440 --> 01:18:57,607 and they're laughing. 2047 01:18:57,649 --> 01:18:59,526 -JUDD: Mm-hmm. -Therefore, 2048 01:19:00,152 --> 01:19:02,654 maybe I can continue 2049 01:19:03,488 --> 01:19:05,407 to make comedies. 2050 01:19:05,490 --> 01:19:06,742 That's what I wanted to do. 2051 01:19:07,951 --> 01:19:09,995 MEL: (OVER RECORDING) I really do want to be a writer. 2052 01:19:10,078 --> 01:19:12,748 I feel that I have made some minor contributions 2053 01:19:12,831 --> 01:19:14,124 in that direction. 2054 01:19:14,791 --> 01:19:15,834 Before I die, 2055 01:19:15,917 --> 01:19:17,377 I would like to make a lot of noise. 2056 01:19:17,461 --> 01:19:19,087 And you really can't make noise 2057 01:19:19,171 --> 01:19:20,756 if you fit into prescribed grooves. 2058 01:19:20,839 --> 01:19:22,466 You really have to be a little dangerous. 2059 01:19:22,507 --> 01:19:24,509 So hence, "Springtime for Hitler." 2060 01:19:24,593 --> 01:19:26,178 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 2061 01:19:26,261 --> 01:19:29,806 NICHOLAS: The Producers premiered in early 1968, 2062 01:19:29,848 --> 01:19:31,099 in Philadelphia. 2063 01:19:31,808 --> 01:19:34,019 And it was a big movie house. 2064 01:19:34,102 --> 01:19:38,023 And, um, we were it. 2065 01:19:38,815 --> 01:19:41,359 There were only two people, 2066 01:19:41,443 --> 01:19:43,653 two other humans in the theater 2067 01:19:43,695 --> 01:19:45,530 when we saw The Producers. 2068 01:19:45,572 --> 01:19:49,576 One was a tall old man in a raincoat, 2069 01:19:49,659 --> 01:19:51,244 and the other was a woman 2070 01:19:51,328 --> 01:19:53,205 surrounded by a kind of phalanx, 2071 01:19:53,288 --> 01:19:55,749 a fortress of shopping bags. 2072 01:19:56,416 --> 01:19:58,960 And when the lights came on... 2073 01:20:00,337 --> 01:20:02,839 the old man was asleep 2074 01:20:02,881 --> 01:20:04,466 and the old lady with the shopping bags 2075 01:20:04,549 --> 01:20:05,550 was gone. 2076 01:20:06,885 --> 01:20:08,845 And I said to myself at the time, 2077 01:20:09,471 --> 01:20:10,764 "Oh, my God, 2078 01:20:10,847 --> 01:20:13,892 this is not just a flop, 2079 01:20:13,934 --> 01:20:17,729 but... a kind of epic failure." 2080 01:20:17,813 --> 01:20:20,982 INTERVIEWER: The Producers is now regarded by most people as a classic, 2081 01:20:21,066 --> 01:20:22,359 but when it was first released, 2082 01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:23,902 the critics weren't so nice to it, right? 2083 01:20:23,985 --> 01:20:26,571 MEL: Yes. One bad review. 2084 01:20:27,405 --> 01:20:28,907 You never forget it. 2085 01:20:28,949 --> 01:20:29,908 You always do. 2086 01:20:29,950 --> 01:20:31,618 In your heart of hearts, you always agree 2087 01:20:31,701 --> 01:20:34,329 with the most negative reviews because you know you're a fake. 2088 01:20:34,412 --> 01:20:36,164 You know you're a fraud. You know you're no good. 2089 01:20:36,248 --> 01:20:38,458 You know what I mean? And they just point that out and you say, 2090 01:20:38,542 --> 01:20:40,919 "Right, you caught me, you son of a bitch." 2091 01:20:41,002 --> 01:20:42,462 -(INTERVIEWER LAUGHS) -You know? 2092 01:20:42,546 --> 01:20:44,506 And it's true. I mean, you never... 2093 01:20:44,589 --> 01:20:46,091 One part of you is arrogant, 2094 01:20:46,132 --> 01:20:48,426 but then there is the other pendulum swing 2095 01:20:48,510 --> 01:20:50,053 that brings you, you know, 2096 01:20:50,095 --> 01:20:52,597 down to your worst paranoid fears, 2097 01:20:52,639 --> 01:20:54,432 that you really were never meant to do it, 2098 01:20:54,474 --> 01:20:55,892 that you're not gifted, 2099 01:20:55,934 --> 01:20:58,270 that you have no talent, you know. 2100 01:21:00,272 --> 01:21:03,066 The night The Times came out, 2101 01:21:03,108 --> 01:21:05,527 my wife, Anne, and I were sitting... 2102 01:21:05,610 --> 01:21:06,695 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUES) ♪ 2103 01:21:06,778 --> 01:21:07,988 ...and crying, 2104 01:21:08,071 --> 01:21:09,823 holding each other's hands. 2105 01:21:10,323 --> 01:21:11,283 I said, "Look, 2106 01:21:11,366 --> 01:21:14,411 I was a hit writer in television." 2107 01:21:14,452 --> 01:21:15,996 "I can always go back to television," 2108 01:21:16,079 --> 01:21:16,997 you know? 2109 01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:18,123 Yeah. 2110 01:21:18,999 --> 01:21:20,917 She slapped me and she said, "Don't. 2111 01:21:21,710 --> 01:21:23,128 That's a great movie. 2112 01:21:23,962 --> 01:21:26,631 And you created great characters, 2113 01:21:26,673 --> 01:21:29,342 Bialystok and Bloom, they'll live forever. 2114 01:21:30,218 --> 01:21:33,513 Now you just keep making those movies. 2115 01:21:33,597 --> 01:21:36,057 You stop making the movies, I drop you like a stone." 2116 01:21:36,141 --> 01:21:37,976 {\an8}♪ (UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 2117 01:21:38,059 --> 01:21:42,606 {\an8}MEL: Somehow, Peter Sellers took out a review. 2118 01:21:42,647 --> 01:21:45,358 {\an8}He said, "This is the greatest comedy ever..." 2119 01:21:45,442 --> 01:21:47,694 {\an8}He went on and on about it. 2120 01:21:47,777 --> 01:21:50,780 Two full pages, it cost him a lot of money. 2121 01:21:50,822 --> 01:21:54,034 And then the word of mouth jumped right in. 2122 01:21:54,117 --> 01:21:55,702 -Word of mouth was great. -(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 2123 01:21:55,785 --> 01:21:57,537 FRANK SINATRA: For the best story and screenplay 2124 01:21:57,621 --> 01:21:59,623 written directly for the screen, 2125 01:21:59,664 --> 01:22:01,583 the winner is Mel Brooks for The Producers. 2126 01:22:04,044 --> 01:22:05,253 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 2127 01:22:05,337 --> 01:22:06,922 I didn't trust myself in case I won, 2128 01:22:07,005 --> 01:22:10,050 so I wrote a couple of things here. 2129 01:22:10,133 --> 01:22:12,010 I want to thank the Academy of Arts, 2130 01:22:12,052 --> 01:22:13,970 Sciences, and Money 2131 01:22:14,012 --> 01:22:16,389 -for this wonderful award. -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 2132 01:22:17,474 --> 01:22:20,352 Um... Well, I'll just say what's in my heart. 2133 01:22:21,394 --> 01:22:24,856 Ba-bump, ba-bump, ba-bump, ba-bump. 2134 01:22:24,898 --> 01:22:26,691 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING, APPLAUDING) 2135 01:22:26,733 --> 01:22:30,028 {\an8}♪ (THEME MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 2136 01:22:30,070 --> 01:22:33,531 Tonight our show is called, "How to Be a Jewish Son," 2137 01:22:33,615 --> 01:22:35,492 or "My Son the Success." 2138 01:22:35,992 --> 01:22:37,077 Um... 2139 01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:41,247 It should be an evening of fun. Now, about Jewish mothers. 2140 01:22:41,331 --> 01:22:43,875 Forget about Jewish mothers, let's talk about sharks. 2141 01:22:43,917 --> 01:22:44,960 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 2142 01:22:45,043 --> 01:22:46,419 DAVID SUSSKIND: Sharks? 2143 01:22:46,503 --> 01:22:47,963 MEL: Let me tell you about my mother. 2144 01:22:48,046 --> 01:22:49,089 I like my mother. 2145 01:22:49,631 --> 01:22:51,424 I love my mother. 2146 01:22:51,508 --> 01:22:53,385 If I could... 2147 01:22:53,426 --> 01:22:55,136 I would go skinny dipping with my mother. 2148 01:22:55,220 --> 01:22:57,097 (GUESTS LAUGHING) 2149 01:22:57,180 --> 01:22:59,391 DAVID: But you're talking about-- What's it like being an... 2150 01:22:59,432 --> 01:23:00,934 Shut up, David. I mean... 2151 01:23:01,017 --> 01:23:02,310 (AUDIENCE AND GUEST LAUGHING) 2152 01:23:02,894 --> 01:23:03,895 Okay, go ahead. 2153 01:23:03,979 --> 01:23:06,398 When I introduced my mother to my present wife, 2154 01:23:06,481 --> 01:23:07,649 who is not Jewish, 2155 01:23:07,732 --> 01:23:09,401 -I said... -DAVID: Oh,. that must have been 2156 01:23:09,442 --> 01:23:11,111 -an interesting trauma... -Yes. I said, "Mom, 2157 01:23:11,194 --> 01:23:14,406 I want you to meet Annie," and, um... 2158 01:23:14,489 --> 01:23:17,534 She knew that my wife was Catholic and not Jewish. 2159 01:23:17,575 --> 01:23:19,077 And she said, 2160 01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:21,121 "Sit down, make yourself comfortable, 2161 01:23:21,204 --> 01:23:22,247 you know, 2162 01:23:22,288 --> 01:23:23,915 take a piece of fruit and relax, 2163 01:23:23,957 --> 01:23:25,333 and I'll be in the kitchen, 2164 01:23:25,417 --> 01:23:26,584 my head'll be in the oven 2165 01:23:26,626 --> 01:23:28,253 -if you need me." -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 2166 01:23:28,336 --> 01:23:30,130 She says it quietly, you know. 2167 01:23:30,213 --> 01:23:32,298 It was... a big disaster. 2168 01:23:32,382 --> 01:23:34,092 And then they came to know each other, 2169 01:23:34,175 --> 01:23:36,594 and my mother's head over heels in love with Annie, 2170 01:23:36,678 --> 01:23:37,929 and they're best friends now. 2171 01:23:38,013 --> 01:23:39,764 His wife is one of... the gracious, 2172 01:23:39,848 --> 01:23:41,683 beautiful, talented, Anne Bancroft. 2173 01:23:41,766 --> 01:23:42,851 It was nothing. 2174 01:23:43,643 --> 01:23:45,103 -But... -GUEST: Did she convert? 2175 01:23:45,186 --> 01:23:46,855 Did she convert? Are you kidding? 2176 01:23:46,938 --> 01:23:48,940 She don't have to convert. She's a star. 2177 01:23:49,024 --> 01:23:50,358 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 2178 01:23:50,442 --> 01:23:52,027 GUEST: You changed your name, too. 2179 01:23:52,110 --> 01:23:53,319 MEL: I never changed my name. 2180 01:23:53,403 --> 01:23:56,031 -DAVID: Were you born Mel Brooks? -No, sir, I was not. 2181 01:23:56,114 --> 01:23:58,366 -DAVID: What were you born? -George M. Cohan. 2182 01:23:58,450 --> 01:24:01,119 -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) -(GUESTS LAUGHING) 2183 01:24:02,287 --> 01:24:03,955 There was, you know, that cute... 2184 01:24:04,039 --> 01:24:05,665 I didn't want to run into trouble, 2185 01:24:05,749 --> 01:24:07,167 so I changed it for Brooks. 2186 01:24:07,250 --> 01:24:09,002 Actually, my mother's maiden name is Brookman, 2187 01:24:09,085 --> 01:24:10,170 so I took Brooks. 2188 01:24:10,253 --> 01:24:12,630 My father's name is Kaminsky, and I was Melvin Kaminsky, 2189 01:24:12,714 --> 01:24:15,133 and I played the drums, and I was booked on a date. 2190 01:24:15,216 --> 01:24:16,718 You remember Max Kaminsky, the trumpet player? 2191 01:24:16,801 --> 01:24:19,471 -DAVID: Yes, very well. -So, when I showed up, they said, 2192 01:24:19,512 --> 01:24:21,514 "Where's your trumpet?" I said, "I play drums." 2193 01:24:21,598 --> 01:24:22,766 And they had booked Max Kaminsky, 2194 01:24:22,807 --> 01:24:23,850 and they got me. 2195 01:24:23,933 --> 01:24:25,310 So, I figured Kaminsky with Kaminsky... 2196 01:24:25,393 --> 01:24:26,811 (BLOWS RASPBERRY) ...no good, right? 2197 01:24:26,895 --> 01:24:28,813 So, I was Brookman for a while, 2198 01:24:28,855 --> 01:24:30,356 but I couldn't get it all on a drum. 2199 01:24:30,440 --> 01:24:32,358 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 2200 01:24:32,442 --> 01:24:34,152 So, I made it Brooks, Mel Brooks. 2201 01:24:34,194 --> 01:24:35,361 It was a dopey name. 2202 01:24:35,445 --> 01:24:37,197 Now, think of me now as a filmmaker. 2203 01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:39,115 Thirty-three years later, a filmmaker. 2204 01:24:39,157 --> 01:24:40,909 Ba-dum, ba-dum, Mel Brooks. 2205 01:24:40,992 --> 01:24:42,660 Now that's a dopey name for a filmmaker. 2206 01:24:42,702 --> 01:24:44,996 Mel Brooks is good for "Th--Th-- That's all, folks." 2207 01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:46,247 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 2208 01:24:46,331 --> 01:24:47,832 That's a good name for that. 2209 01:24:47,874 --> 01:24:48,875 But for Kaminsky, 2210 01:24:48,958 --> 01:24:50,502 if I'd stuck to my original name... 2211 01:24:50,585 --> 01:24:52,295 (SHOUTING INDISTINCTLY) 2212 01:24:52,337 --> 01:24:55,340 (SPEAKING GERMAN) 2213 01:24:55,423 --> 01:24:57,425 Kaminsky. (MUMBLING) 2214 01:24:57,509 --> 01:24:59,177 Would've been fantastic. 2215 01:24:59,219 --> 01:25:01,054 {\an8}You look to me like a Muscovite. 2216 01:25:01,137 --> 01:25:03,681 {\an8}Listen, tell me, who lived here in the old days? 2217 01:25:03,765 --> 01:25:07,185 Oh, in the old days was my master. 2218 01:25:07,227 --> 01:25:10,647 Ippolit Matveyevich Vorobyaninov. 2219 01:25:10,688 --> 01:25:13,483 He was a marshal of the nobility. 2220 01:25:14,109 --> 01:25:15,527 I loved him. 2221 01:25:15,568 --> 01:25:17,570 He hardly ever beat us. 2222 01:25:17,654 --> 01:25:20,782 Ah. Whatever became of your lovable master? 2223 01:25:20,865 --> 01:25:24,452 One night, about ten years ago, was a fearful noise. 2224 01:25:24,536 --> 01:25:27,455 It was bombs and cannons and soldiers shooting. 2225 01:25:27,539 --> 01:25:29,207 It was terrible, terrible. 2226 01:25:29,249 --> 01:25:30,208 Oh, yes. 2227 01:25:30,291 --> 01:25:31,709 I think it was called The Revolution. 2228 01:25:31,751 --> 01:25:34,212 -That was it. The Revolution. -♪ (SOFT GLOOMY MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 2229 01:25:34,796 --> 01:25:36,381 You're smart. 2230 01:25:36,422 --> 01:25:38,383 You're smart and you're gorgeous. 2231 01:25:38,424 --> 01:25:39,717 You're okay. 2232 01:25:39,759 --> 01:25:40,885 Privately, 2233 01:25:40,969 --> 01:25:42,595 I'm ashamed to say this, 2234 01:25:42,679 --> 01:25:45,056 but when I saw the final cut of... 2235 01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:47,225 The Twelve Chairs... 2236 01:25:47,267 --> 01:25:49,060 ♪ (SOFT GLOOMY MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 2237 01:25:49,144 --> 01:25:51,604 ...I said, "Mel... 2238 01:25:51,688 --> 01:25:54,232 you've created a masterpiece." 2239 01:25:54,274 --> 01:25:56,568 Why are you after my chair? 2240 01:25:56,651 --> 01:25:59,070 -It's not yours. -Then whose is it? 2241 01:25:59,112 --> 01:26:00,905 It's nationalized property. 2242 01:26:00,947 --> 01:26:03,032 -It belongs to the workers. -Did you say the workers? 2243 01:26:03,074 --> 01:26:05,743 MEL: The book was from two Russian writers, 2244 01:26:05,827 --> 01:26:07,745 Ilf and Petrov. 2245 01:26:07,829 --> 01:26:11,416 I remember it was Mel Tolkin on the Show of Shows. 2246 01:26:11,457 --> 01:26:12,584 He said to me, 2247 01:26:12,667 --> 01:26:15,170 "Somewhere in you is a bit of genius." 2248 01:26:15,253 --> 01:26:18,214 "You get near it and then you hide." 2249 01:26:18,256 --> 01:26:20,175 He said, "You got to let it all out. 2250 01:26:20,258 --> 01:26:22,427 You got to be brave." 2251 01:26:22,468 --> 01:26:24,429 "But what you're missing 2252 01:26:24,512 --> 01:26:27,223 are contemporaries of you and your mind." 2253 01:26:27,765 --> 01:26:28,892 He wanted me to read 2254 01:26:28,933 --> 01:26:32,770 a lot of Dostoevsky, Gogol, and Chekhov. 2255 01:26:32,854 --> 01:26:35,899 These, uh-- I always called them scholars. 2256 01:26:35,940 --> 01:26:38,443 They were probably street urchins like me, 2257 01:26:38,484 --> 01:26:40,695 but they came up with good, 2258 01:26:41,196 --> 01:26:43,031 solid comedy ideas. 2259 01:26:44,199 --> 01:26:45,325 So, it was Mel 2260 01:26:45,408 --> 01:26:49,370 who got me on the track of reading great writing. 2261 01:26:49,454 --> 01:26:52,207 Listen, scum, I want those chairs. 2262 01:26:52,290 --> 01:26:55,293 Do you hear me? I want those chairs! 2263 01:26:55,376 --> 01:26:56,961 PATTON OSWALT: The first time I saw Twelve Chairs, 2264 01:26:57,045 --> 01:26:58,713 I didn't know enough about Russian literature. 2265 01:26:58,796 --> 01:27:01,007 -I just thought... -Get out of here! 2266 01:27:01,090 --> 01:27:03,927 ...this is a really funny movie. DeLuise is hilarious. 2267 01:27:03,968 --> 01:27:05,929 {\an8}And then if you go and read 2268 01:27:05,970 --> 01:27:08,223 {\an8}Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Gogol, 2269 01:27:08,306 --> 01:27:11,100 {\an8}all these deep, dark Russian thinkers, 2270 01:27:11,142 --> 01:27:13,811 and you see Mel Brooks is dinging riffs 2271 01:27:13,853 --> 01:27:17,065 off of some of the darkest shit out there. 2272 01:27:18,775 --> 01:27:22,153 So, I think that movie goes a little bit unappreciated. 2273 01:27:22,195 --> 01:27:24,530 ♪ (SOFT GLOOMY MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 2274 01:27:28,034 --> 01:27:29,327 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 2275 01:27:29,369 --> 01:27:30,495 What can I tell you? 2276 01:27:30,578 --> 01:27:31,955 I could use a little gin in this, 2277 01:27:31,996 --> 01:27:32,997 I'll tell you the truth. 2278 01:27:33,081 --> 01:27:35,166 -The Twelve Chairs. -Yeah. That smells good. 2279 01:27:35,208 --> 01:27:36,584 The Twelve Chairs. 2280 01:27:36,668 --> 01:27:37,919 Twelve Chairs was a failure. 2281 01:27:39,379 --> 01:27:41,339 The Twelve Chairs was a failure, Tony. 2282 01:27:41,381 --> 01:27:43,549 -You wanna talk about it or not? -TONY BILBOW: Hmm. 2283 01:27:43,633 --> 01:27:45,510 And you're still nodding your head. 2284 01:27:45,551 --> 01:27:47,345 Look how he don't take a hint. 2285 01:27:47,387 --> 01:27:48,721 TONY: Why was it a failure? 2286 01:27:48,805 --> 01:27:50,807 It was a failure. It was too good. 2287 01:27:50,848 --> 01:27:52,684 Sometimes I'm terrific and sometimes I'm rotten. 2288 01:27:52,725 --> 01:27:55,103 You sure you want to stay with those mauve socks? 2289 01:27:55,186 --> 01:27:56,688 No offense, Tony. 2290 01:27:56,771 --> 01:27:57,855 They are mauve. 2291 01:27:57,897 --> 01:28:00,650 Either they're mauve or they're red that's gone... 2292 01:28:00,692 --> 01:28:02,694 Little borscht socks. Folks, I swear to God, 2293 01:28:02,735 --> 01:28:04,445 I'm not making it up. Here it is, borscht. 2294 01:28:04,529 --> 01:28:07,532 No offense. Yes, Tony. Do go on. 2295 01:28:08,491 --> 01:28:09,450 You ever see the guys, 2296 01:28:09,534 --> 01:28:12,370 you ever have interviews with these types? "Yes." 2297 01:28:12,412 --> 01:28:13,621 TONY: Always very intense. 2298 01:28:13,705 --> 01:28:15,581 You know, with your kind of introspection, 2299 01:28:15,665 --> 01:28:16,666 it's very difficult 2300 01:28:16,708 --> 01:28:19,711 to get to the heart of what really is Mel Brooks. 2301 01:28:19,752 --> 01:28:21,587 What am I really? 2302 01:28:21,671 --> 01:28:23,298 I'm a coalescence of vapor. 2303 01:28:23,381 --> 01:28:26,592 Sometimes, sometimes I think of myself... 2304 01:28:27,593 --> 01:28:29,137 as a wraith. 2305 01:28:29,220 --> 01:28:31,931 A wraith... make that a wreath. 2306 01:28:32,015 --> 01:28:33,391 It's easy to think 'cause if there's a... 2307 01:28:33,433 --> 01:28:35,310 you can hang a wreath, you can't hang a wraith. 2308 01:28:35,393 --> 01:28:36,394 Yes, well, it's hard. 2309 01:28:36,477 --> 01:28:38,271 I don't know what the essence of myself is, 2310 01:28:38,354 --> 01:28:40,732 but I know that everybody who loves me has good taste. 2311 01:28:40,773 --> 01:28:42,775 You know what I mean? (SMACKS) 2312 01:28:42,859 --> 01:28:45,570 And those who don't like me are tasteless bores. 2313 01:28:46,446 --> 01:28:48,573 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 2314 01:28:48,656 --> 01:28:50,742 MEL: Here I was, a movie maker, right? 2315 01:28:50,783 --> 01:28:53,703 I'd made The Producers, I'd made The Twelve Chairs, 2316 01:28:53,745 --> 01:28:55,413 and I was starving to death 2317 01:28:55,455 --> 01:28:56,998 I mean, I was really low. 2318 01:28:57,081 --> 01:29:00,126 I was walking with my head down, and I heard a voice say, 2319 01:29:00,209 --> 01:29:02,503 "Hi Mel, looking for change?" 2320 01:29:02,587 --> 01:29:03,838 {\an8}(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 2321 01:29:03,921 --> 01:29:05,757 {\an8}MEL: And I looked up and it was David Begelman. 2322 01:29:05,798 --> 01:29:08,634 {\an8}He says, "What are you doing?" I said, "Zip. How's that? 2323 01:29:08,718 --> 01:29:09,802 I don't have a job." 2324 01:29:09,886 --> 01:29:12,138 He says, "I got a job for you." I said, "What?" 2325 01:29:12,221 --> 01:29:13,348 He says, "Andrew Bergman..." 2326 01:29:13,431 --> 01:29:17,143 {\an8}He had written this outline for a screenplay called "Tex-Ex" 2327 01:29:17,226 --> 01:29:18,478 about a Black sheriff. 2328 01:29:18,561 --> 01:29:22,774 He said, "If you do it, I will get you 100,000 dollars." 2329 01:29:22,815 --> 01:29:25,193 I said, "David, I only do my own stuff. 2330 01:29:25,276 --> 01:29:27,278 I have pride. 2331 01:29:27,362 --> 01:29:28,446 I believe in my own art. 2332 01:29:28,529 --> 01:29:29,989 I'll do it." 2333 01:29:30,073 --> 01:29:31,449 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 2334 01:29:31,491 --> 01:29:35,370 Mel had done two flops and he couldn't get arrested. 2335 01:29:35,453 --> 01:29:38,956 I was a graduate student. I knew nothing from nothing. 2336 01:29:38,998 --> 01:29:41,876 Standard operating procedure is you fire the original writer. 2337 01:29:41,959 --> 01:29:44,253 That's just... that's traditional in Hollywood, 2338 01:29:44,295 --> 01:29:45,630 to get rid of that guy. 2339 01:29:45,713 --> 01:29:47,298 To Mel's credit, 2340 01:29:47,340 --> 01:29:49,634 He said, "No, let's see what happens." 2341 01:29:49,717 --> 01:29:51,636 I said, "Let me do it like the Show of Shows. 2342 01:29:51,719 --> 01:29:54,555 Let me get a gang of writers that I love and respect." 2343 01:29:54,639 --> 01:29:56,182 And I got... 2344 01:29:56,265 --> 01:29:58,726 The first writer I got was Richard Pryor. 2345 01:29:58,810 --> 01:30:01,104 INTERVIEWER: I don't know how you feel about the title of your album, 2346 01:30:01,145 --> 01:30:02,522 but I find it difficult to say. 2347 01:30:02,605 --> 01:30:05,608 You do? Most White people, it's hard to say "Crazy." 2348 01:30:05,650 --> 01:30:06,818 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 2349 01:30:06,859 --> 01:30:09,153 MEL: We all had bagels and lox for breakfast. 2350 01:30:09,237 --> 01:30:11,906 Pryor had Rémy Martin. 2351 01:30:11,989 --> 01:30:13,157 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 2352 01:30:13,199 --> 01:30:16,577 The title of the album is That Nigger's Crazy. 2353 01:30:16,661 --> 01:30:18,246 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 2354 01:30:18,329 --> 01:30:20,957 -Don't that nigga look crazy? -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 2355 01:30:20,998 --> 01:30:22,834 See, now, you can just say that on television. 2356 01:30:22,917 --> 01:30:25,086 -Yeah, look, it used to be... -If I said that, wouldn't you get mad? 2357 01:30:25,169 --> 01:30:26,295 I'd punch you out. 2358 01:30:26,337 --> 01:30:28,631 (INTERVIEW AND AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 2359 01:30:28,673 --> 01:30:31,426 And as funny as the picture was, that room was even funnier. 2360 01:30:31,509 --> 01:30:32,718 Richie Pryor and Mel Brooks, 2361 01:30:32,802 --> 01:30:34,554 it's like saying, "Okay, you want to play tennis? 2362 01:30:34,637 --> 01:30:38,099 Here's McEnroe and Borg. Why don't you hit with them for a while? 2363 01:30:39,058 --> 01:30:41,227 {\an8}I mean, the script was so outrageous. 2364 01:30:41,310 --> 01:30:43,104 First of all, that they were letting it get made 2365 01:30:43,187 --> 01:30:45,690 was amazing to us every day. 2366 01:30:45,773 --> 01:30:49,026 We redefined bad taste according to our standards. 2367 01:30:49,068 --> 01:30:51,237 {\an8}Excuse me while I whip this out. 2368 01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:53,114 {\an8}-(CROWD CLAMORING) -(WOMAN SCREAMING) 2369 01:30:53,197 --> 01:30:54,198 {\an8}(CROWD SIGHS) 2370 01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:55,533 -(HEAVY CLANG) -Ow! 2371 01:30:55,616 --> 01:30:58,578 Boris, I've got a special. When can you work him in? 2372 01:30:58,661 --> 01:31:01,998 I couldn't possibly sneak him in until Monday, sir. 2373 01:31:02,039 --> 01:31:03,332 I'm booked solid. 2374 01:31:03,374 --> 01:31:05,543 ♪ (THRILLING DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 2375 01:31:05,585 --> 01:31:08,296 MEL: I said to these guys, "This is gonna go nowhere. 2376 01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:09,797 It's a western." 2377 01:31:09,881 --> 01:31:11,424 Well, that's the end of this suit. 2378 01:31:11,507 --> 01:31:13,593 MEL: People haven't seen a western in 35 years, 2379 01:31:13,676 --> 01:31:16,095 they don't give a shit about westerns. 2380 01:31:16,179 --> 01:31:18,431 They didn't give a fuck about horses. 2381 01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:21,100 This is not gonna work. 2382 01:31:21,184 --> 01:31:23,227 -Ooh! Ow! -♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 2383 01:31:23,269 --> 01:31:25,563 Have you ever seen such cruelty? 2384 01:31:25,646 --> 01:31:27,690 So, let's do everything 2385 01:31:27,732 --> 01:31:32,236 that we weren't allowed to do as comedy writers, as kids. 2386 01:31:32,278 --> 01:31:34,447 Let's just, you know, all bets are off. 2387 01:31:34,530 --> 01:31:36,782 We go nuts. And that's the way we wrote it. 2388 01:31:36,866 --> 01:31:39,243 JUDD: Did you know you were being that bold at the time? 2389 01:31:39,285 --> 01:31:40,328 I didn't. 2390 01:31:40,411 --> 01:31:42,330 -I was just being me. -JUDD: Yeah. 2391 01:31:42,413 --> 01:31:44,081 But I didn't know that I was bold. 2392 01:31:44,123 --> 01:31:45,082 JUDD: Yeah. 2393 01:31:45,124 --> 01:31:47,168 Anything that I thought was different and funny, 2394 01:31:47,919 --> 01:31:49,420 I threw into the movie. 2395 01:31:49,504 --> 01:31:51,923 -(FARTS) -(COWBOY BURPS) 2396 01:31:52,006 --> 01:31:53,758 (FARTS) 2397 01:31:54,675 --> 01:32:00,097 (COWBOYS FARTING) 2398 01:32:01,015 --> 01:32:03,100 (FARTS) 2399 01:32:03,142 --> 01:32:08,439 (COWBOYS BURPING AND FARTING) 2400 01:32:08,523 --> 01:32:09,732 MEL: John Kelly, 2401 01:32:09,774 --> 01:32:12,151 he was in charge of production at Warner Bros. 2402 01:32:12,235 --> 01:32:15,196 He said, "Mel, if you're going to go up to the bell, ring it." 2403 01:32:15,780 --> 01:32:17,031 I never forgot that. 2404 01:32:17,114 --> 01:32:19,283 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 2405 01:32:19,325 --> 01:32:21,702 MEL: Strangely enough, Richard Pryor fell in love with Mongo. 2406 01:32:22,286 --> 01:32:24,038 Mongo only pawn 2407 01:32:24,872 --> 01:32:26,707 in game of life. 2408 01:32:26,791 --> 01:32:29,085 Richard Pryor was supposed to play 2409 01:32:29,126 --> 01:32:31,546 -the Cleavon Little part. -He was gonna be, yeah. -I always thought... 2410 01:32:31,629 --> 01:32:33,923 -CONAN: He was gonna be the sheriff. -He was gonna be Black Bart, 2411 01:32:33,965 --> 01:32:35,341 but they wouldn't have him. 2412 01:32:35,424 --> 01:32:37,718 -♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ -I was troublesome, I guess. 2413 01:32:37,802 --> 01:32:41,055 I don't know. I just-- hey, it's over. 2414 01:32:41,138 --> 01:32:43,808 So... I got to work with Mel Brooks, though. 2415 01:32:43,849 --> 01:32:44,976 You understand that? 2416 01:32:45,059 --> 01:32:47,562 I was in a room with him for about seven weeks. 2417 01:32:47,645 --> 01:32:50,898 LARRY KING: Another old friend. There is insanity, right? 2418 01:32:50,982 --> 01:32:53,568 That is a man who has lost it. 2419 01:32:53,651 --> 01:32:55,486 -(LAUGHS) -(LARRY LAUGHS) 2420 01:32:55,570 --> 01:32:58,030 He is a man who has lost it. But he's a loving man. 2421 01:32:58,114 --> 01:33:01,742 I mean, his losing it is loving. It's about love with him. 2422 01:33:02,577 --> 01:33:03,911 Good morning, ma'am. 2423 01:33:05,079 --> 01:33:07,582 And isn't it a lovely morning? 2424 01:33:07,665 --> 01:33:09,292 Up yours, nigger. 2425 01:33:10,751 --> 01:33:13,129 {\an8}Obviously, the movie is brazen. 2426 01:33:13,170 --> 01:33:15,548 {\an8}But to me, it just felt joyful. 2427 01:33:15,631 --> 01:33:17,174 Look what I got here. 2428 01:33:19,468 --> 01:33:20,886 Hey, where are the white women at? 2429 01:33:23,556 --> 01:33:24,890 "Where are all the white women at?" 2430 01:33:24,974 --> 01:33:26,350 As a kid, I understood that joke. 2431 01:33:26,392 --> 01:33:27,351 (CHUCKLES) 2432 01:33:27,435 --> 01:33:28,853 You're not supposed to fuck with them. 2433 01:33:28,894 --> 01:33:31,230 And at that time, I don't... 2434 01:33:31,314 --> 01:33:33,190 I mean, I was growing up in D.C. 2435 01:33:33,232 --> 01:33:34,692 I don't know that I didn't know 2436 01:33:34,775 --> 01:33:37,820 you weren't supposed to talk about these things. 2437 01:33:37,862 --> 01:33:39,905 Black people talk about this shit all the time. 2438 01:33:40,740 --> 01:33:42,158 White people were in denial of it. 2439 01:33:42,199 --> 01:33:44,535 So, how courageous is Mel... 2440 01:33:44,577 --> 01:33:46,412 -Governor! -DAVE CHAPPELLE: ...to use his platform... 2441 01:33:46,495 --> 01:33:47,622 Yes? 2442 01:33:47,705 --> 01:33:49,540 -Official business, sir. -DAVE: ...to just talk about it. 2443 01:33:49,582 --> 01:33:50,666 Is it important? 2444 01:33:50,708 --> 01:33:52,293 It's very crucial. 2445 01:33:52,376 --> 01:33:54,420 (SIGHS) Be with you in a minute. 2446 01:33:55,421 --> 01:33:57,548 Throw something on and stay in that position. 2447 01:33:57,632 --> 01:33:59,216 -DAVE: At the time... -Wow! 2448 01:33:59,300 --> 01:34:00,968 DAVE: I mean, the N-word is so different 2449 01:34:01,052 --> 01:34:02,595 in the world and the culture now. 2450 01:34:02,678 --> 01:34:03,679 Have you gone berserk? 2451 01:34:03,721 --> 01:34:07,224 Can't you see that that man is a ni-- 2452 01:34:07,308 --> 01:34:10,561 -JUDD: Were you all talking about... -Wrong person. Forgive me. 2453 01:34:10,603 --> 01:34:12,855 JUDD: ...the reason to make jokes like that? 2454 01:34:13,898 --> 01:34:15,191 Have you gone berserk? 2455 01:34:15,232 --> 01:34:17,234 Can't you see that that man is a ni-- 2456 01:34:17,318 --> 01:34:20,905 Actually, I was spurred on by Richard. 2457 01:34:20,946 --> 01:34:22,990 He said, "You got to tell the truth." 2458 01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:25,242 He said, "It's used. 2459 01:34:25,326 --> 01:34:27,536 Sometimes it's used sweetly by brothers. 2460 01:34:28,371 --> 01:34:30,706 And sometimes it's just a vicious... 2461 01:34:32,249 --> 01:34:35,086 terrible curse which breaks your heart." 2462 01:34:35,127 --> 01:34:37,046 I said, "Well, I'm going to tell the world. 2463 01:34:37,088 --> 01:34:38,923 I'm going to tell them the truth. 2464 01:34:39,006 --> 01:34:41,258 I'm going to tell them that it's your fault 2465 01:34:41,300 --> 01:34:44,261 that there are so many N-words used in this movie." 2466 01:34:44,345 --> 01:34:47,223 HOWARD JOHNSON: As chairman of the welcoming committee, 2467 01:34:47,264 --> 01:34:48,766 it is my privilege 2468 01:34:48,849 --> 01:34:52,144 to extend a laurel and hearty handshake 2469 01:34:52,228 --> 01:34:53,771 to our new... 2470 01:34:56,399 --> 01:34:57,441 nigger. 2471 01:34:58,693 --> 01:35:00,111 MEL: If you want a comedy to last, 2472 01:35:00,194 --> 01:35:01,821 {\an8}you have to have an engine driving it. 2473 01:35:04,031 --> 01:35:06,325 And in Blazing Saddles, racial prejudice 2474 01:35:06,409 --> 01:35:08,202 is the engine that really drives the film. 2475 01:35:08,285 --> 01:35:10,162 Hold it. 2476 01:35:10,246 --> 01:35:12,707 The next man makes a move, the nigger gets it. 2477 01:35:12,790 --> 01:35:14,542 (CROWD MURMURING) 2478 01:35:17,628 --> 01:35:19,046 Hold it, men. 2479 01:35:19,130 --> 01:35:20,172 He's not bluffing. 2480 01:35:20,256 --> 01:35:23,592 Listen to him, men. He's just crazy enough to do it. 2481 01:35:23,634 --> 01:35:26,804 Drop it, or I swear I'll blow this nigger's head 2482 01:35:26,846 --> 01:35:28,514 all over this town! 2483 01:35:28,597 --> 01:35:30,683 Oh, Lordy, Lord, he's desperate! 2484 01:35:30,766 --> 01:35:33,936 Do what he say! Do what he say! 2485 01:35:38,649 --> 01:35:40,818 {\an8}It takes courage to go there. 2486 01:35:40,860 --> 01:35:42,445 {\an8}'Cause you're dealing with dynamite. 2487 01:35:42,486 --> 01:35:44,029 {\an8}'Cause it could have gone the wrong way 2488 01:35:44,113 --> 01:35:46,323 and the NAACP would have picketed the film 2489 01:35:46,365 --> 01:35:48,743 and everything would have been upside down. 2490 01:35:48,826 --> 01:35:51,162 But because he did it with love, 2491 01:35:51,245 --> 01:35:52,830 there's a healing that comes with it. 2492 01:35:52,872 --> 01:35:56,834 If you can attack race straight on, 2493 01:35:56,876 --> 01:35:58,544 then people kind of go like, 2494 01:35:58,627 --> 01:36:00,838 "Oh, that's really true." 2495 01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:02,381 And of course now you look at it 2496 01:36:02,465 --> 01:36:04,425 and you're like, "Oh my god, this movie." 2497 01:36:04,508 --> 01:36:05,676 You know, people like to say, like, 2498 01:36:05,718 --> 01:36:07,136 "Oh, you couldn't make Tropic Thunder today." 2499 01:36:07,178 --> 01:36:10,014 Like, you really couldn't make Blazing Saddles today. 2500 01:36:10,055 --> 01:36:11,390 Or ever, I think. 2501 01:36:11,474 --> 01:36:13,267 But what's behind it, 2502 01:36:13,350 --> 01:36:14,769 what you realize is, like, you know, 2503 01:36:14,852 --> 01:36:17,438 he's doing this satire, you know, 2504 01:36:17,521 --> 01:36:19,398 but he's really going for it. 2505 01:36:19,482 --> 01:36:22,026 Trying to expose the hypocrisy 2506 01:36:22,067 --> 01:36:23,569 and how screwed up our world is 2507 01:36:23,652 --> 01:36:25,571 in terms of how people treat other people. 2508 01:36:25,654 --> 01:36:27,531 I am depressed. 2509 01:36:27,573 --> 01:36:29,742 Excuse me, Mr. Taggart, sir, but... 2510 01:36:29,825 --> 01:36:31,535 I sure do hate to see you like this. 2511 01:36:31,577 --> 01:36:34,371 What if me and the boys was to shoot that nigger dead? 2512 01:36:34,455 --> 01:36:37,500 -Would that pep you up some? -That might help. 2513 01:36:37,541 --> 01:36:39,752 Could you make Blazing Saddles today in the same way? 2514 01:36:39,835 --> 01:36:42,296 No, but I think what's... 2515 01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:44,215 but I think you... 2516 01:36:45,508 --> 01:36:47,676 Well, let me think about this for a second. 2517 01:36:48,761 --> 01:36:49,762 Um... 2518 01:36:51,764 --> 01:36:54,517 Nah, you couldn't make it with them saying the N-word 2519 01:36:54,558 --> 01:36:55,935 all the time like that. (LAUGHS) 2520 01:36:56,018 --> 01:36:59,897 Man, you can do damn near anything 2521 01:36:59,939 --> 01:37:01,565 if it's funny. 2522 01:37:01,607 --> 01:37:04,610 So no, most people can't make that movie, ever. 2523 01:37:05,736 --> 01:37:08,572 Today or even back then, but Mel Brooks could. 2524 01:37:08,614 --> 01:37:09,573 You gotta remember 2525 01:37:09,615 --> 01:37:11,492 that these are just simple farmers. 2526 01:37:12,952 --> 01:37:15,120 These are people of the land. 2527 01:37:16,247 --> 01:37:19,375 The common clay of the New West. 2528 01:37:21,210 --> 01:37:22,253 You know. 2529 01:37:24,547 --> 01:37:26,298 -Morons. -(CHUCKLES) 2530 01:37:26,382 --> 01:37:28,926 JUDD: Gene Wilder was a last-minute replacement, right? 2531 01:37:29,009 --> 01:37:29,969 Oh, yeah. 2532 01:37:30,052 --> 01:37:32,429 I was looking for a real, 2533 01:37:32,471 --> 01:37:35,432 deep actor who had suffered alcoholism 2534 01:37:35,516 --> 01:37:36,934 to play the Waco Kid. 2535 01:37:37,017 --> 01:37:38,435 So, I got Gig Young, 2536 01:37:38,519 --> 01:37:41,438 who was a great actor, and he'd won an Academy Award 2537 01:37:41,522 --> 01:37:43,190 for They Shoot Horses, Don't They? 2538 01:37:43,274 --> 01:37:46,777 -And was a genuine alcoholic. -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 2539 01:37:46,819 --> 01:37:48,988 Look, for God's sakes, I'm trying to help you a little. 2540 01:37:49,071 --> 01:37:50,447 MEL: In the first scene, 2541 01:37:50,489 --> 01:37:53,784 he's struggling to gain equilibrium. 2542 01:37:53,826 --> 01:37:55,953 He's hanging over the bed in the jailhouse. 2543 01:37:56,453 --> 01:37:57,454 "Are we awake?" 2544 01:37:57,496 --> 01:37:59,623 And Gig Young says, "I don't know." 2545 01:37:59,665 --> 01:38:02,251 -(IMITATES RETCHING) -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 2546 01:38:02,293 --> 01:38:03,460 I said, "All right." 2547 01:38:03,502 --> 01:38:05,296 I turned to my assistant director, and I say, 2548 01:38:05,337 --> 01:38:07,631 -"This guy is fucking great." -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 2549 01:38:08,632 --> 01:38:10,301 He started talking 2550 01:38:10,342 --> 01:38:11,760 and then tornadoing. 2551 01:38:12,386 --> 01:38:13,429 Stuff came out of him. 2552 01:38:13,470 --> 01:38:16,140 Green material spews from his mouth. 2553 01:38:16,181 --> 01:38:17,266 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 2554 01:38:17,308 --> 01:38:20,185 It's like... It's like I'm shooting The Exorcist here. 2555 01:38:20,269 --> 01:38:21,395 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 2556 01:38:21,478 --> 01:38:23,147 MEL: I said, "Well, this is a little too much. 2557 01:38:23,230 --> 01:38:25,816 -Call an ambulance." (CHUCKLES) -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 2558 01:38:25,858 --> 01:38:26,984 MEL: I called Gene that night, 2559 01:38:27,067 --> 01:38:30,154 literally in tears, crying. I said, "Gene." 2560 01:38:30,195 --> 01:38:31,655 And he said, "I'll be out tomorrow morning." 2561 01:38:31,739 --> 01:38:33,908 I said, "What do you mean?" He said, "I can do that." 2562 01:38:34,867 --> 01:38:38,871 "I can play that part to a T. I will save you. 2563 01:38:38,954 --> 01:38:40,080 (GROANING) 2564 01:38:40,164 --> 01:38:42,082 MEL: I will be magnificent 2565 01:38:42,166 --> 01:38:43,709 as the Waco Kid." 2566 01:38:43,792 --> 01:38:45,294 Are we awake? 2567 01:38:49,506 --> 01:38:50,966 We're not sure. 2568 01:38:52,718 --> 01:38:55,095 Are we... Black? 2569 01:38:55,179 --> 01:38:56,639 Yes, we are. 2570 01:38:58,307 --> 01:38:59,683 Then we're awake, 2571 01:39:00,851 --> 01:39:02,853 but we're very puzzled. 2572 01:39:02,937 --> 01:39:06,231 Okay, finished the movie, showed it to the studio. 2573 01:39:06,315 --> 01:39:07,816 -♪ (UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -I tell you, 2574 01:39:07,858 --> 01:39:10,069 I don't know why my heart is beating today. 2575 01:39:10,152 --> 01:39:11,695 Ted Ashley catches me. 2576 01:39:11,737 --> 01:39:14,531 Ted Ashley was head of the studio. 2577 01:39:14,615 --> 01:39:16,575 He says to me, "Farting scene out." 2578 01:39:16,659 --> 01:39:17,868 I have a little pad. I say, 2579 01:39:17,952 --> 01:39:19,495 "Farting scene is out. You got it." 2580 01:39:19,536 --> 01:39:20,704 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 2581 01:39:20,788 --> 01:39:22,539 "Punching the horse. Punching the horse." 2582 01:39:22,581 --> 01:39:25,042 "Punching the horse is out. You got it." 2583 01:39:25,125 --> 01:39:27,544 He says, "The Lili Von Shtupp with the Black sheriff 2584 01:39:27,628 --> 01:39:29,588 and the thing about the fashten-schnugger." 2585 01:39:29,672 --> 01:39:31,548 Would you care for another schnitzen-gruben? 2586 01:39:31,632 --> 01:39:34,051 "Absolutely. You got it. It's out." 2587 01:39:34,134 --> 01:39:37,179 He gave about 30 or 40 notes. 2588 01:39:37,221 --> 01:39:39,515 If I listened to every note that he gave me, 2589 01:39:39,556 --> 01:39:42,309 I would have an 18-minute picture. 2590 01:39:42,393 --> 01:39:44,436 So after he finished, 2591 01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:46,313 John Calley was sitting next to me. 2592 01:39:46,397 --> 01:39:48,399 I took all the notes that I had taken down 2593 01:39:48,482 --> 01:39:50,526 diligently in front of him. 2594 01:39:50,567 --> 01:39:52,903 And after he left, I crumpled it up 2595 01:39:53,988 --> 01:39:55,864 and threw it in a wastepaper basket. 2596 01:39:55,906 --> 01:39:57,074 And Calley said, 2597 01:39:57,866 --> 01:39:58,951 "Three points." 2598 01:39:59,034 --> 01:40:02,162 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 2599 01:40:02,246 --> 01:40:05,416 MEL: It was just an immediate success. 2600 01:40:05,499 --> 01:40:07,751 ♪ (MUSIC TURNS THRILLING) ♪ 2601 01:40:07,835 --> 01:40:09,086 (HORSE NEIGHING) 2602 01:40:10,963 --> 01:40:12,923 -Student. -Are you kidding? 2603 01:40:15,592 --> 01:40:16,635 Pain in the ass. 2604 01:40:16,719 --> 01:40:18,721 Let's wipe them out! 2605 01:40:18,762 --> 01:40:21,849 (INDISTINCT CLAMOR) 2606 01:40:21,932 --> 01:40:24,977 (HORSES NEIGHING) 2607 01:40:25,060 --> 01:40:27,521 LARRY KARASZEWSKI: The moment where the fight is happening... 2608 01:40:31,358 --> 01:40:33,527 and you realize that you're in a studio lot. 2609 01:40:34,778 --> 01:40:37,281 {\an8}The effect that had on an audience back in 1974 2610 01:40:37,364 --> 01:40:39,491 {\an8}was just jaw-dropping. You're like, "Oh, my gosh." 2611 01:40:39,575 --> 01:40:41,035 This movie is taking you in a place 2612 01:40:41,118 --> 01:40:42,327 that movies hadn't taken you before. 2613 01:40:44,621 --> 01:40:49,334 -♪ (MUSIC STOPS)♪ -(INDISTINCT CLAMOR) 2614 01:40:51,086 --> 01:40:53,589 {\an8}We looked at Blazing Saddles and said... 2615 01:40:54,298 --> 01:40:56,467 {\an8}"Those are our kind of jokes." 2616 01:40:56,508 --> 01:40:58,635 {\an8}My God, you can do a whole movie 2617 01:40:58,719 --> 01:41:02,973 that doesn't really rely on an intricate plot, 2618 01:41:03,057 --> 01:41:06,393 and there's an audience full of people laughing. 2619 01:41:06,477 --> 01:41:08,312 It also kind of paved the way for, 2620 01:41:08,353 --> 01:41:09,772 "Hey, you can do anything." 2621 01:41:09,813 --> 01:41:11,148 You can break boundaries. 2622 01:41:12,191 --> 01:41:15,152 -And what always struck me... -Cut! 2623 01:41:15,235 --> 01:41:17,696 What in the hell do you think you're doing here? 2624 01:41:17,780 --> 01:41:19,740 -...is how fearless he was. -This is a closed set! 2625 01:41:20,949 --> 01:41:23,660 Piss on you! I'm working for Mel Brooks. 2626 01:41:23,744 --> 01:41:24,912 Not in the face! 2627 01:41:25,996 --> 01:41:27,581 -(CROWD GASPING) -♪ (PLAYFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 2628 01:41:27,664 --> 01:41:28,707 Thank you. 2629 01:41:28,791 --> 01:41:32,377 (INDISTINCT CLAMOR) 2630 01:41:32,461 --> 01:41:34,630 HITLER ACTOR: They lose me right after the bunker scene. 2631 01:41:37,132 --> 01:41:38,258 What the hell was that? 2632 01:41:38,342 --> 01:41:41,345 ♪ (THRILLING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 2633 01:41:42,554 --> 01:41:45,974 (INDISTINCT CLAMOR) 2634 01:41:46,016 --> 01:41:47,184 CONAN: Mel wasn't content 2635 01:41:47,226 --> 01:41:49,353 with just breaking the fourth wall. 2636 01:41:49,436 --> 01:41:53,524 He exploded it and hundreds and hundreds of people 2637 01:41:53,607 --> 01:41:55,692 come running through the movie screen. 2638 01:41:56,568 --> 01:41:57,611 Taxi! 2639 01:41:57,694 --> 01:41:59,446 CONAN: And Harvey Korman crosses the street and says, 2640 01:41:59,530 --> 01:42:01,532 "Get me out of this picture." 2641 01:42:01,573 --> 01:42:04,827 Mel's movie can't even contain the actors who are in it. 2642 01:42:06,203 --> 01:42:07,704 PETER FARRELLY: We went to that movie 2643 01:42:07,788 --> 01:42:09,206 like it was a concert. 2644 01:42:09,289 --> 01:42:11,583 {\an8}It broke the mold for comedies up to that point. 2645 01:42:11,667 --> 01:42:13,585 Come on, let's check out the end of the flick. 2646 01:42:13,669 --> 01:42:14,795 PETER: 'Cause of that story... 2647 01:42:14,878 --> 01:42:16,547 Gee, I sure hope there's a happy ending. 2648 01:42:16,630 --> 01:42:18,173 ...and because of the relationship 2649 01:42:18,215 --> 01:42:20,384 between Gene Wilder and Cleavon Little, 2650 01:42:20,467 --> 01:42:22,261 -that was the heart of that movie. -♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 2651 01:42:22,344 --> 01:42:25,681 Sheriff, you can't go now. We need you. 2652 01:42:25,722 --> 01:42:27,641 My work here is done. 2653 01:42:28,392 --> 01:42:30,561 I'm needed elsewhere now. 2654 01:42:30,644 --> 01:42:33,605 I'm needed wherever outlaws rule the West. 2655 01:42:33,689 --> 01:42:35,732 Wherever innocent women and children 2656 01:42:35,774 --> 01:42:38,235 are afraid to walk the streets. 2657 01:42:38,277 --> 01:42:41,405 Wherever a man cannot live in simple dignity. 2658 01:42:41,446 --> 01:42:44,241 And wherever a people cry out 2659 01:42:44,324 --> 01:42:45,742 for justice. 2660 01:42:45,826 --> 01:42:47,661 CROWD: Bullshit. 2661 01:42:47,744 --> 01:42:51,415 ♪ ("BLAZING SADDLES MAIN TITLE" BY JOHN MORRIS PLAYING) ♪ 2662 01:42:54,585 --> 01:42:56,795 MEL: As long as I make crazy funny pictures, 2663 01:42:56,879 --> 01:42:58,130 I'll be all right. 2664 01:42:58,213 --> 01:43:01,258 Because I think that I can say anything serious 2665 01:43:01,300 --> 01:43:02,634 via comedy. 2666 01:43:03,260 --> 01:43:04,303 (SCREAMS) 2667 01:43:05,220 --> 01:43:07,472 MEL: My job, my first duty, 2668 01:43:07,556 --> 01:43:10,601 is to the flag of laughter and entertainment. 2669 01:43:11,476 --> 01:43:12,477 Pull! 2670 01:43:12,561 --> 01:43:15,147 -(GUNSHOT) -(PEASANT YELLING) 2671 01:43:15,230 --> 01:43:16,356 Drifting to the left. 2672 01:43:16,440 --> 01:43:17,983 MEL: I do the things 2673 01:43:18,066 --> 01:43:19,776 we all dream of doing. 2674 01:43:19,818 --> 01:43:22,446 DARK HELMET: I see your schwartz is as big as mine. 2675 01:43:22,529 --> 01:43:25,657 MEL: And that's why I am so loved... 2676 01:43:25,741 --> 01:43:26,742 (SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY) 2677 01:43:26,783 --> 01:43:27,993 ...and so hated. 2678 01:43:28,994 --> 01:43:31,163 INTERVIEWER: Do you have everything you want? 2679 01:43:31,246 --> 01:43:32,664 MEL: No, of course I don't. 2680 01:43:32,748 --> 01:43:34,208 I want to conquer other fields of thought. 2681 01:43:34,291 --> 01:43:36,418 I want to examine, in movies, 2682 01:43:36,460 --> 01:43:39,296 various aspects of human endeavor. 2683 01:43:39,379 --> 01:43:41,673 All I'm doing is what Shakespeare told me to do. 2684 01:43:41,757 --> 01:43:43,008 There's a mandate there. 2685 01:43:43,091 --> 01:43:45,260 Hold the mirror up to life, as it were. 2686 01:43:45,302 --> 01:43:47,137 And that's what I do. 2687 01:43:47,179 --> 01:43:48,847 -♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ -(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 2688 01:43:48,931 --> 01:43:51,642 Can I tell you one private thing and you won't repeat it? 2689 01:43:51,683 --> 01:43:52,809 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 2690 01:43:52,851 --> 01:43:54,478 This is really between me and you 2691 01:43:54,561 --> 01:43:55,646 and nobody else. 2692 01:43:56,563 --> 01:43:58,857 I only cut one... 2693 01:43:59,983 --> 01:44:01,401 scene. I didn't cut the scene. 2694 01:44:01,485 --> 01:44:02,861 I cut the scene down. 2695 01:44:02,945 --> 01:44:04,947 It's a scene where Madeleine Kahn 2696 01:44:04,988 --> 01:44:07,658 asks the sheriff to come visit her 2697 01:44:07,699 --> 01:44:08,742 in her dressing room. 2698 01:44:08,825 --> 01:44:10,410 I feel refreshed. 2699 01:44:10,494 --> 01:44:12,162 MEL: And she says in the dark... 2700 01:44:12,204 --> 01:44:13,914 LILI VON SHTUPP: Is it true what they say 2701 01:44:13,997 --> 01:44:16,541 about the way you people are gifted? 2702 01:44:16,625 --> 01:44:18,335 "Is it true? Is it true?" 2703 01:44:18,377 --> 01:44:21,672 (IMITATES MOANING) 2704 01:44:21,713 --> 01:44:22,881 "It's true." 2705 01:44:22,965 --> 01:44:25,259 (IMITATES PANTING, MOANING) 2706 01:44:25,342 --> 01:44:29,012 "It's true. It's true. It's true!" 2707 01:44:30,222 --> 01:44:32,224 And Cleavon says to her, 2708 01:44:32,307 --> 01:44:34,142 "I don't mean to disillusion you, 2709 01:44:34,184 --> 01:44:35,519 Miss Von Shtupp, 2710 01:44:35,602 --> 01:44:37,229 but you're sucking on my arm." 2711 01:44:37,312 --> 01:44:39,439 -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) -(CHUCKLES) 2712 01:44:41,024 --> 01:44:42,943 I... It's not... 2713 01:44:43,026 --> 01:44:45,862 It's-- It's a bit too much. 2714 01:44:45,946 --> 01:44:48,407 It's a bit too much. I took it out of the picture. 2715 01:44:48,490 --> 01:44:55,372 ♪ ("BLAZING SADDLES MAIN TITLE" BY JOHN MORRIS PLAYING) ♪ 2716 01:46:03,690 --> 01:46:06,151 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 197268

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