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- It's shaking the drill.
- Holy smokes,
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do you have a sense
on what you're grinding on?
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It feels like you're hitting metal.
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- You find something?
- Yeah.
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Look at that. That's a lot of metal.
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I got something here.
It's this object, right there.
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That's a UFO.
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It is clear that we're seeing consistency
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as far as the type of UFO
that seems to be appearing
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- inside the bubble.
- Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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Dang.
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Look at that.
That one's not even forming.
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It's always that same spot right there.
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Yes. Inside the bubble.
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Look over there in the distance.
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- In the bottom.
- Look right there.
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- Look at that.
- Yeah. There's something there.
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Looks like a spaceship from sci-fi, man.
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There is a ranch in Northern Utah.
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It is considered the epicenter
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of the strangest and most
disturbing occurrences on Earth.
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For two decades,
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the federal government
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investigated the property.
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Their findings
have never been made public.
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Right there! We got something!
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Now a new team
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of independent scientists
and researchers are taking over.
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They are uncovering evidence
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that the countless stories...
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It came right out of the mesa.
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Of unidentified aerial phenomena...
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- UAP right there!
- Yep.
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Bizarre energies...
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It looks like there's
a heat source right above 'em.
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And portals that lead
to other dimensions...
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We're maybe looking at the anomaly
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for the first time, guys.
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Might actually be true.
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They will stop at nothing to reveal...
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The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch.
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What a historic time
to pull everyone together,
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and what an amazing year we've had.
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I want to thank everyone
for pulling this together
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for our final briefing.
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After a year of
groundbreaking new experiments
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on Skinwalker Ranch,
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Brandon has gathered our team
at his office
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in Salt Lake City, Utah,
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for a final review
of all the data we collected
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and to discuss the future
of our investigation.
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I'm very excited,
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and I also want to welcome
our special guests.
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Dr. Jan Francke, who has been with us
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- through this investigation.
- Indeed.
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I'd also like to thank Jay Stratton,
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senior intelligence official
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who has been a key part of taking
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this whole investigation forward.
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Appreciate it.
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And of course,
welcoming Dr. Hal Puthoff,
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One of the most respected
physicists on the planet.
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Dr. Puthoff, thank you
so much for joining us.
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Well, it's a pleasure.
I appreciate the-the invitation.
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And it's crazy to think,
almost 30 years ago,
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you landed at Skinwalker Ranch
with Robert Bigelow...
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- That's right.
- To launch the scientific investigation
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at that time.
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Thank you. I am glad to be
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a-a part of it t-today.
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Having Dr. Hal Puthoff
join us for this meeting
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is a chance to share
our findings with someone who,
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just like Jay Stratton,
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has his own history
on Skinwalker Ranch.
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In the 1990s and early 2000s,
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Dr. Puthoff reported to Jay
as a key member
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of the federal government's investigation
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at Skinwalker Ranch
with Robert Bigelow.
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He also worked for the CIA
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and served as a senior advisor
to the Pentagon's.
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Advanced Aerospace Threat
Identification Program,
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or AATIP.
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That was a secret government study
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of UAP phenomena
between 2007 and 2012.
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And most incredibly,
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he made worldwide headlines this year
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when he publicly stated that
our government has recovered
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physical evidence
of extraterrestrial crafts
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and beings.
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So, it's gonna be amazing
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to get his reaction to what we've found,
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and any insights he can share
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based on his years of experience
both on and off the ranch.
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As we're looking back
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and reflecting on
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the incredible,
discoveries of this last year,
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We've seen stunning evidence
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that underscores how important
this investigation is.
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Yeah. This year,
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to me, it-it stepped up a level.
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Yeah. Well, I'm gonna pass
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the, torch here to Erik.
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If you don't mind walking us through
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- the latest findings and review.
- Yeah, sure.
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Dr. Puthoff, before we get
into some of the data
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from our final experiment,
I think I'll start with
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what we call the bubble,
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because it was a main focus
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of our experiments this year.
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- Yes.
- You know, here is
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a representation of the bubble.
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We're not exactly sure what it is,
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but in our lidar reviews,
it's portrayed as a giant sphere
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in the middle of the ranch.
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It's invisible to the naked eye.
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And we've seen strange effects
all around its boundary,
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and as you can see, it appears
above and below ground.
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And dead center above the bubble
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- is the triangle.
- Really?
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So, the final experiment that we did
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was centered at the triangle,
because we've repeatedly
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seen evidence of some kind of
blob right above the triangle.
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We've only seen
the blob once, back in 2022,
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when it appeared right after
a rocket exploded
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31 feet above the triangle.
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Our high-speed camera
clearly captured something
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that materialized out of thin air.
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This year, we've seen smaller rockets
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diverted at that same level.
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We've seen smoke
that we shot through that space
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appear to trace around
something invisible
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with the same shape as the blob.
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Heck, we even saw electricity
from a Tesla coil gun
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get pulled upwards toward
something right there, too.
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We hoped that our final
experiment of the year,
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where we used explosions
from the fuel mines
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that created smoke rings,
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might get this dang thing
to reveal itself again
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so we could figure out
just what the heck it is.
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And we were detonating
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these fuel mines at the triangle
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that are supposed
to make perfect smoke rings
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and-and perfect fireballs,
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so that if something interferes
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with these rings, we would see it.
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And maybe even the blob.
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- My.
- Wow.
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This is an interesting clip of one of those
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fuel mine detonations.
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I'm gonna bring that one up.
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This is drone footage looking
straight down at the triangle.
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So, we're looking almost straight down
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the path of the lasers.
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Wow, look at that.
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Now, these are supposed
to form a perfect smoke ring,
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and they do every time anywhere else,
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but not on Skinwalker Ranch.
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That is not a smoking ring.
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- Which is really odd.
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I mean,
they've done thousands of shows,
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and it worked exactly right every time.
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So, what is stopping it
from working at the triangle?
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And so, something has
to be changing the flow dynamics
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- of the explosion.
- Yes.
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That's a key point, you know,
something about our experiments
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seems to trigger these effects.
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That's a really good point.
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The correlation is too specific
to be a coincidence.
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And they tend to coincide
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with other strange phenomena
appearing, too.
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Yeah, that'd be tr...
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Yeah, that would,
that'd be very significant.
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During this final experiment,
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we also had Dave Mason's FLIR camera.
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- My.
- Yeah, in fact,
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I've already reached out to him,
I'm connected,
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and we'll bring him up.
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Hi, Dave. Thanks for jumping on with us.
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Hey, thanks for having me.
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So, David, I'm gonna play
the clip you sent me,
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and, you can, help us to interpret
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what we're looking at.
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Okay.
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So, let's see.
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- Okay.
- So, this is the mesa looking north.
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W-While we were
conducting the experiments,
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with the explosions,
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we began to see thermal anomalies,
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particularly behind the mesa.
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So, what are we seeing happen here?
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It looks like a part
of the ridge line is heating up.
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And, it's-it's heating up
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a-at a level that's greater
than the mesa itself.
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Wow, look at that.
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Wow.
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Where is it coming from?
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That spot is heating up
or it's reflecting a source
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from somewhere inside the mesa.
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The bubble could be causing these,
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unusual measurements
and readings that we're getting
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all over the ranch.
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And, you know, the question is,
why is it doing this?
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Yep.
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Why-why, why would we have rocks
heating up like that?
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This year, our
experiments inside the bubble
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have revealed several
large masses of heat
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that were hotter than the environment
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by more than 20 degrees.
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Dave Mason has captured these
on his thermal cameras
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at various altitudes inside the bubble.
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But he's also caught them
showing up above
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or just behind the mesa.
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We have no idea yet why our activities
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seem to trigger these things.
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But our work this year
has repeatedly produced
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evidence that phenomena in the bubble
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and around the mesa may be connected.
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The kind of, group dynamics
you've put together
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and the instrumentation you put together
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and the results that are
coming out of the experiments
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are just so advanced.
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I mean, i-it's just thrilling
for me to be able to see
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that-that kind of output.
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You-you know, Dr. Puthoff,
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- t-there's a question...
- Call me Hal. I'm-I'm very...
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Sure.
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Hal, that's just the beginning
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of what we found out about this bubble.
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- Okay.
- Yeah, you need to see
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what we found much higher
above the blob.
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Yeah. I want to show you
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some of the, highlights of that exercise.
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You won't be able to believe this.
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You need to see what we found
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much higher above the blob.
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- Really? - Yes.
- Yeah.
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Erik, you know,
one thing we should do is maybe
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preface the altitudes of interest.
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Thanks to the work
we did with the drones,
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we know that between 750 to 1,000 feet,
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there's a magnetic anomaly.
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And then, at 2,000 feet
is the top of the bubble.
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Then there's another
magnetic anomaly at 3,200 feet,
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where something took control
of our instruments
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and made them suddenly
drop out of the sky.
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It's pretty amazing.
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- Wow.
- Yes.
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So, we had a follow-up exercise
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to our many drone, activities on the ranch
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scheduled over the triangle area.
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And, so, the Sky Elements
team put together
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a drone flight pattern.
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We were launching four drones at a time
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just to see how things would go,
with their system
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going higher than
they've ever gone before.
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Drones are up.
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Earlier this year,
Sky Elements launched 100 drones
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above the triangle,
and found that a giant mass
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of electromagnetic energy
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was causing a break
in their communication
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between 750 and 1,000 feet.
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Looks like the swarm
is getting movement
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all throughout the formation.
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That made us wonder
not only what it was
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but if it went even higher in the air.
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So, Sky Elements got
a special permit with the FAA
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to fly up to 4,000 feet
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to see what they would encounter.
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Looks to me like they're falling.
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Drones coming down!
Drones coming down!
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And that's what led to this crazy
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and scary event where four drones
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were taken over by something
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at 3,200 feet and fell out of the sky.
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My gosh.
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So, what in the world
could these anomalies be?
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- And what causes them?
- So, let's play this through.
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We're watching the drones ascend.
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So, what you're
seeing here is them reaching
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an altitude of 3,271 feet.
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And that's when
the drones were taken over.
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- My gosh.
- Look at that.
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Something just told them to suddenly go
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in a different direction
as fast as they could,
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and then, they turned themselves off
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and started falling
from the sky at 3,000 feet.
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Wow.
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Now, the way it was
described to us by Sky Elements
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is that something or someone
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issued a command to those drones.
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A kill command.
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- Yes.
- And the question is,
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who or what did that?
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It's important to note, as we reviewed
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the video record, we found
evidence of flashes in the sky
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continuing through this flight.
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So, you had flashing
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throughout the experiment
where all of this
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- was going crazy?
- Brandon,
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even more concerning is there's a flash
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directly over the drones at their apex.
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Let me pull up one example.
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- Do you have that?
- I do, yes.
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This is gonna require
some careful attention
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to a specific region of the screen.
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Okay.
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Here's the video of that happening.
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You'll see the drones coming.
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- There's one.
- There's one.
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You saw the flash?
I'm gonna back up just a bit
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so we can all see it.
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Flash, boom.
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- Yep.
- That's unequivocal.
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Please replay that.
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You got it.
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Tom was right.
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When Erik processed
our surveillance video
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from the ground,
he found that a star-like flash
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or some kind of UAP
appeared out of nowhere
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above the drones as they lost power.
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So, did that UAP trigger
the electromagnetic anomaly
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to make the drones drop like that?
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We studied these things
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for a long time, and I don't know
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that we ever came to a conclusion
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- as to what they were.
- Yeah.
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Out of all the data we've taken
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over the years, I think we collected
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that much data and then some
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multiple orders of magnitude
more this year.
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And the UAP activity
was higher than ever, too.
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Yes.
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Whether it's involved
electrostatic discharge,
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you know, we did
the high-voltage experiments.
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We did thermal experiments,
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rockets, of course, and Doppler radar.
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They all led to UAPs
appearing above the ranch.
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- Yeah.
- What we have on video footage
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is consistent with the reports
going back decades.
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It's almost as if every time
we probe the bubble,
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we have UFOs caught on camera.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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This year,
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we collected a lot of data that suggested
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the bubble could be the source of at least
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some of the UAP activity on the ranch.
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Look at this.
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In one instance at the triangle,
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a rocket hit something midair
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a few seconds after launch
and got destroyed.
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Erik then found an image
in the camera data
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of something glowing in the airspace
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at that very moment.
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All right.
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- We're dropping.
- Later this year,
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a team of Doppler radar experts
came to help us figure out
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if the UAPs were coming from
somewhere inside the bubble,
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like one of the electromagnetic zones.
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Wow, look at that.
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That resulted in us seeing
a large, cigar-shaped UAP
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a few hundred feet high near the triangle
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that was invisible to the naked eye.
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And then, the very next day,
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while we continued
with the Doppler experiment...
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Cameron
and Pete Kelsey saw something
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flying below the helicopter
near Homestead Two
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that looked metallic.
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So, are these things
coming from the bubble
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or from the homesteads
or somewhere else?
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But we've not only seen
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strange things in the sky from afar.
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We've also seen them appear
to chase our equipment.
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Well, Cameron experienced
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the same thing following him.
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Yeah. We saw a UAP,
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under the helicopter,
so I'm deeply concerned
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with the airspace that I'm sharing.
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'Cause I think
it could be very dangerous.
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Absolutely.
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It's one thing to see a UAP
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on Skinwalker Ranch,
but it's another thing
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to see them chase our equipment
and especially our team.
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Pete's gonna fire up the laser now.
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A couple of weeks ago,
Cameron was flying
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several hundred feet above the triangle
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while Pete Kelsey shined a laser down,
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looking for a possible source
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for where these UAPs generate from.
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And then, suddenly, Dave Mason,
Jim Royston and Brandon...
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- Look at that.
- All saw UAPs
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on a thermal camera that appeared to be
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stalking the helicopter.
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It just makes us all the more convinced
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that whatever these UAPs are,
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they seem to be possible craft
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that are being operated
by an intelligence of some kind.
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There is something within the space
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above the ranch that is active,
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intelligent, appears to have volition.
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"Effectively" intelligent.
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- Yes, yep.
- Dr. Puthoff,
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do you recall people telling stories,
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giving accounts of seeing craft
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during your investigation on the ranch?
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- Yes.
- What were some of those reports?
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Well, there were descriptions of...
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and a number of people
looking at the same time,
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and they would often describe
different shapes,
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which is really an anomaly...
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- Yeah.
- You know, coming down,
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going into the mesa, coming out.
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- So, multiple witnesses.
- Multiple witnesses.
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- Wow.
- Yeah, one of those incidents was with Robert,
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with Colin, me and another individual.
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We were all on the back deck
of the command center
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and looking at that object
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that was at the, kind of
the tip of the mesa.
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- Right, right.
- And one of us said,
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"that's pretty cool,
that it's a diamond shape."
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And the other one's like,
"I-I don't see a diamond,
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I see a square."
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You know, "I see a circle."
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So, we were all seeing different shapes.
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Yeah, that's exactly
what was reported to us
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and, you know, we couldn't
even begin to imagine
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- how that could be.
- Absolutely.
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Very good. Well,
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as fascinating as this
discussion has been so far,
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we have a special guest joining us.
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Jay, you've helped
facilitate this discussion.
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Right. I'll have him join us
on video conference.
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This is exciting.
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As fascinating as
this discussion has been so far,
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we have a special guest joining us.
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Congressman Tim Burchett,
who is standing by.
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Yeah, I'm connected,
and we'll bring him up.
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- All right. Awesome.
- Great.
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Congressman?
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Congressman, welcome.
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Well, thank y'all so much
for having me on.
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Jay, you've helped facilitate
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this, discussion with the Congressman.
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Definitely. You know,
over the last two decades,
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I've spent countless hours
with Congress,
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briefing the UAP topic
in an official capacity
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on behalf of the U.S. government.
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And Congressman Burchett,
he is a key driver
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within Congress to help push
much-needed transparency
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about everything going on
with the phenomenon.
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I appreciate that very kind introduction.
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In the past,
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we've been lucky to have members
of the Utah state government
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take an interest in our investigation.
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But for U.S. Congressman
Tim Burchett to meet with us
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is absolutely next-level.
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Based on what members of our military
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and other national security agencies
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have encountered in the skies,
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he's gone on record that he believes
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extraterrestrial life exists.
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He also thinks that our government
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knows a lot more about it
than they've told the public,
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and that it all should be disclosed.
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Thank you, Congressman.
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I'm gonna turn the time
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to our principal investigator, Erik Bard.
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Yeah, one of the events
that we want to show you
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is something we refer to
as the in-and-out incident.
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Okay.
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I'll proceed with the video
record frame by frame.
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- It's right here.
- Yep. Okay.
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Travis, would you like
to describe to the Congressman
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- what we're seeing here?
- Yeah, Congressman,
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we were conducting an experiment,
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and the helicopter was probably
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a couple hundred feet in the air.
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What's happening here, Tim,
is you see this bright object
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off to the east, a bluish-white orb,
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and it flies at a fairly high velocity
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directly into the solid-rock mesa.
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And so, we call that the "in point."
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Right.
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And then we see it exits right there,
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just below the helicopter,
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flies underneath the helicopter
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and then literally just vanishes.
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I've been briefed in the past
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by a pilot who described
something very similar to this.
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There's gonna be a scientific
explanation to this.
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Maybe it's not within
the realm of our understanding.
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And frankly, we just need
to get to the bottom of it.
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Yeah.
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It's wild to hear
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that this possible craft
we documented on the ranch
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lines up with official accounts
of strange encounters
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given by members of our own military.
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00:21:11,979 --> 00:21:15,107
And it just goes to show how
important Skinwalker Ranch is
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to understanding UAPs.
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We want the American people
and the world to realize
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that these things are real phenomenon,
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that we don't know what they are
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and where they come from
and what their intent is.
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What I've said in the past is that
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I would prefer it to be
from folks like you all
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in the scientific community,
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the funding would be there
for them to research it
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and to, and to report to us
on a regular basis.
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I think it would open
some new thought processes
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- and maybe some new avenues.
- Absolutely.
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You know, we've talked about
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things coming into our airspace,
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but there's another aspect to this.
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We are seeing what looks
like technological interference
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with all of our platforms.
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Notably, GPS, or "Global
Positioning" technology.
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Yeah, all of our instrumentation,
519
00:22:00,986 --> 00:22:03,364
so we could tell where
we're getting the data measured,
520
00:22:03,572 --> 00:22:05,908
has GPS trackers connected to it.
521
00:22:06,075 --> 00:22:07,795
Whether we're doing
ground-penetrating radar
522
00:22:07,868 --> 00:22:09,370
to look underneath the surface,
523
00:22:09,537 --> 00:22:11,163
whether we're flying the helicopter
524
00:22:11,372 --> 00:22:12,706
with instruments on it,
525
00:22:12,832 --> 00:22:14,458
whether we're just walking around
526
00:22:14,625 --> 00:22:17,461
or driving around
the property with instruments,
527
00:22:17,628 --> 00:22:20,297
we have GPS systems on them
that are supposed to be
528
00:22:20,464 --> 00:22:21,924
centimeter-accurate,
529
00:22:22,132 --> 00:22:25,094
and when we start
to collect some of the data
530
00:22:25,261 --> 00:22:26,595
that's of most interest,
531
00:22:26,762 --> 00:22:29,390
suddenly, the GPS will see
532
00:22:29,557 --> 00:22:31,517
that there are 31 satellites above
533
00:22:31,684 --> 00:22:33,102
but cannot get a GPS fix,
534
00:22:33,269 --> 00:22:35,020
and it can't tell us our location.
535
00:22:35,187 --> 00:22:39,191
So, there is clearly
a technological interaction
536
00:22:39,358 --> 00:22:41,026
taking place.
537
00:22:41,151 --> 00:22:44,238
Whether it's humans doing it
or something else doing it,
538
00:22:44,405 --> 00:22:47,283
I don't know, but that's scary
when you think about
539
00:22:47,491 --> 00:22:51,453
how many things in our culture
depend on GPS.
540
00:22:51,620 --> 00:22:54,039
And I think that's
a national security issue.
541
00:22:54,206 --> 00:22:55,666
That's exactly right.
542
00:22:56,959 --> 00:23:01,672
Congressman, we have also
encountered at Skinwalker Ranch
543
00:23:01,839 --> 00:23:07,011
a high frequency of covert
military assets deployed
544
00:23:07,177 --> 00:23:09,597
simultaneous with much of our
545
00:23:09,763 --> 00:23:12,516
experimental research activities.
546
00:23:12,683 --> 00:23:17,271
Erik is going to show you
what we have encountered.
547
00:23:18,272 --> 00:23:20,232
Here's an example.
548
00:23:20,399 --> 00:23:23,444
For context, this video is from 2023.
549
00:23:23,652 --> 00:23:25,362
I'll go ahead and play this through.
550
00:23:26,989 --> 00:23:28,991
Probably a hundred feet
from the top of the mesa.
551
00:23:29,158 --> 00:23:31,410
That's clearly not a commercial aircraft.
552
00:23:31,577 --> 00:23:33,537
Clearly not a high-altitude flight.
553
00:23:33,704 --> 00:23:35,164
- No.
- Right. And that was
554
00:23:35,372 --> 00:23:36,790
very close to the-the surface.
555
00:23:36,957 --> 00:23:39,418
- Yeah.
- Low-altitude
556
00:23:39,585 --> 00:23:41,295
military assets,
557
00:23:41,462 --> 00:23:45,424
in nearly every case, non-transponding.
558
00:23:45,591 --> 00:23:47,760
In other words, cloaking their identity.
559
00:23:47,927 --> 00:23:50,512
- I don't think it's coincidental.
- Right.
560
00:23:50,679 --> 00:23:52,806
Yeah. And I'd like to state,
561
00:23:53,015 --> 00:23:54,367
when you're flying over a civilian area,
562
00:23:54,391 --> 00:23:55,643
such as this area,
563
00:23:55,851 --> 00:23:57,811
you're not in r-restricted airspace,
564
00:23:57,978 --> 00:23:59,605
so you're supposed to, by law,
565
00:23:59,813 --> 00:24:02,608
have your transponders on,
as a safety issue.
566
00:24:03,651 --> 00:24:05,486
So, we can't understand
567
00:24:05,694 --> 00:24:08,530
how they are justifying
these continuous flyovers.
568
00:24:08,697 --> 00:24:10,074
It just begs the question,
569
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,910
is it in coordination with the UAP activity,
570
00:24:13,077 --> 00:24:16,455
or are they researching
that UAP activity?
571
00:24:16,622 --> 00:24:18,582
Yes, and we believe
572
00:24:18,749 --> 00:24:20,918
that that is just the tip of the iceberg
573
00:24:21,085 --> 00:24:22,920
relative to the high strangeness
574
00:24:23,087 --> 00:24:25,047
that is happening and being monitored
575
00:24:25,255 --> 00:24:27,049
by even our own government.
576
00:24:27,257 --> 00:24:29,093
The longer I serve at the federal level,
577
00:24:29,259 --> 00:24:32,388
the more layers to this onion
I see need to be peeled back,
578
00:24:32,513 --> 00:24:36,600
and I think y'all have opened up
s-some questions that I have,
579
00:24:36,767 --> 00:24:40,270
and I'll be following up
with the Pentagon about this.
580
00:24:40,437 --> 00:24:42,439
To have Congressman Burchett say
581
00:24:42,606 --> 00:24:45,109
that he'll look into
what we're finding at the ranch
582
00:24:45,234 --> 00:24:47,945
with officials at the Pentagon is huge.
583
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:51,365
We need more allies within
our government to help us.
584
00:24:51,573 --> 00:24:53,534
So, this could be
a very important development
585
00:24:53,701 --> 00:24:55,202
for our investigation.
586
00:24:55,369 --> 00:24:57,830
We really appreciate your attention
587
00:24:57,997 --> 00:25:00,165
to these matters, Congressman.
588
00:25:00,374 --> 00:25:02,292
We'd like to invite you,
at your convenience,
589
00:25:02,459 --> 00:25:04,294
to come out to Skinwalker Ranch
590
00:25:04,461 --> 00:25:07,923
to see firsthand
what we are documenting.
591
00:25:08,090 --> 00:25:10,175
I'd be honored to be out there.
592
00:25:10,342 --> 00:25:11,695
I would love to go out there and scratch
593
00:25:11,719 --> 00:25:13,345
a little of that dirt with y'all.
594
00:25:13,470 --> 00:25:15,681
Thank you, Congressman.
We'll let you go.
595
00:25:15,848 --> 00:25:18,225
- Thank you, sir.
- Thank y'all very much.
596
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,146
Tim joining us was monumental, right?
597
00:25:22,271 --> 00:25:24,606
- I mean...
- I think it speaks volumes
598
00:25:24,815 --> 00:25:26,495
that he says
he's been briefed on phenomena
599
00:25:26,567 --> 00:25:28,753
that looked a lot like some
of the things we showed him.
600
00:25:28,777 --> 00:25:31,780
Which-which is outside
of our investigation.
601
00:25:31,947 --> 00:25:34,825
Yeah. I really hope it leads to answers
602
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:37,870
about what the government
might know about this place.
603
00:25:38,037 --> 00:25:39,663
Travis, you know, speaking of that,
604
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:41,957
Pete Kelsey has alerted me
about a discovery he made
605
00:25:42,124 --> 00:25:44,043
on top of the mesa
that might shed some light.
606
00:25:44,251 --> 00:25:45,669
All right, awesome.
607
00:25:45,794 --> 00:25:47,063
I've actually connected
with him, and I'd like
608
00:25:47,087 --> 00:25:49,214
- to bring him up now.
- Please.
609
00:25:55,888 --> 00:25:58,724
Greetings, Pete Kelsey.
Thank you for joining us.
610
00:25:58,932 --> 00:26:01,560
Hey, everyone. Good to see you.
611
00:26:01,727 --> 00:26:03,645
We're anxious to see
what you have to present.
612
00:26:03,854 --> 00:26:06,231
All right, so, during our drilling operation
613
00:26:06,356 --> 00:26:08,776
this year on top of the mesa,
614
00:26:08,942 --> 00:26:11,361
one of the things that I did
615
00:26:11,528 --> 00:26:14,448
was conduct multiple surveys with lidar.
616
00:26:15,491 --> 00:26:19,203
Well, during the last one,
I noticed something interesting
617
00:26:19,369 --> 00:26:21,455
- sticking out of the ground.
- Wow.
618
00:26:21,622 --> 00:26:23,540
This is, incredible.
619
00:26:23,707 --> 00:26:26,752
One mystery on the ranch
that only got stronger this year
620
00:26:26,877 --> 00:26:29,713
is the huge, possibly metallic object
621
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,381
and several smaller anomalies
622
00:26:31,548 --> 00:26:34,051
that data suggest are buried in the mesa.
623
00:26:35,052 --> 00:26:37,554
We drilled four large-diameter boreholes
624
00:26:37,721 --> 00:26:39,556
that we thought would hit the main object
625
00:26:39,723 --> 00:26:43,185
based on previous
ground-penetrating radar scans.
626
00:26:43,352 --> 00:26:44,603
We're far enough down that hole
627
00:26:44,770 --> 00:26:46,690
that we should have hit
what we were looking for.
628
00:26:46,897 --> 00:26:48,941
That just doesn't make any sense to me.
629
00:26:49,108 --> 00:26:51,026
But every single one of them missed it.
630
00:26:51,151 --> 00:26:53,529
That was really frustrating,
631
00:26:53,737 --> 00:26:56,532
especially since our smaller
drilling operation last year
632
00:26:56,698 --> 00:26:58,158
recovered ceramic materials
633
00:26:58,325 --> 00:27:00,244
that might be related to spacecraft.
634
00:27:00,452 --> 00:27:02,955
So, we're beyond curious
to see what Pete found
635
00:27:03,122 --> 00:27:04,957
on top of the mesa.
636
00:27:05,124 --> 00:27:06,875
When I was out surveying
637
00:27:07,042 --> 00:27:09,044
on top of the mesa,
638
00:27:09,211 --> 00:27:12,881
I came across
a permanent survey marker
639
00:27:13,048 --> 00:27:15,217
that had been left there many years ago.
640
00:27:15,384 --> 00:27:18,053
Here is that survey marker.
641
00:27:20,597 --> 00:27:26,144
This one is labeled "USB,"
642
00:27:26,311 --> 00:27:28,313
as in "bravo."
643
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,149
So, I did a little digging, and it turns out
644
00:27:31,275 --> 00:27:33,610
that is an indicator
645
00:27:33,819 --> 00:27:36,822
for the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.
646
00:27:36,989 --> 00:27:39,157
The Department of Defense.
647
00:27:40,158 --> 00:27:42,452
How about that?
648
00:27:42,619 --> 00:27:46,081
And the key thing is I hope
you guys can read the date.
649
00:27:46,248 --> 00:27:48,792
It's 1963.
650
00:27:48,959 --> 00:27:50,544
Are you kidding me?
651
00:27:50,711 --> 00:27:53,881
That's interesting, as it relates
652
00:27:54,047 --> 00:27:57,134
to the 1964 nickel
653
00:27:57,301 --> 00:28:00,220
that Chris pulled out of the tailings.
654
00:28:00,387 --> 00:28:02,180
That's crazy.
655
00:28:02,347 --> 00:28:03,557
Besides the ceramic material
656
00:28:03,724 --> 00:28:05,517
we pulled out of the mesa last year...
657
00:28:05,684 --> 00:28:07,603
U.S. nickel.
658
00:28:07,769 --> 00:28:09,980
We also found a 1964 nickel
659
00:28:10,147 --> 00:28:11,857
in our drilling spoils.
660
00:28:12,024 --> 00:28:14,109
At first, we just shrugged.
661
00:28:14,234 --> 00:28:16,653
But then archaeologist
Chris Roberts informed us
662
00:28:16,820 --> 00:28:19,907
that it's general practice and protocol
663
00:28:20,073 --> 00:28:22,284
to conclude an official archaeological dig
664
00:28:22,451 --> 00:28:24,620
by leaving a coin in the back fill
665
00:28:24,786 --> 00:28:26,538
to serve as a time stamp.
666
00:28:26,705 --> 00:28:29,708
That gives us a period
to look through records.
667
00:28:29,833 --> 00:28:32,461
That made Erik and me decide
to look through aerial photos
668
00:28:32,628 --> 00:28:36,924
from government archives
that were taken in the 1960s
669
00:28:37,132 --> 00:28:39,843
to look for any evidence
of digging on the mesa.
670
00:28:40,010 --> 00:28:41,470
Guess what.
671
00:28:41,595 --> 00:28:46,266
The photos from 1964
through 1968 were missing.
672
00:28:46,433 --> 00:28:51,772
And when we compared one
from 1963 to another from 1969,
673
00:28:51,939 --> 00:28:55,400
the 1969 photo looked doctored.
674
00:28:57,277 --> 00:28:59,446
So, somebody was surveying
675
00:28:59,655 --> 00:29:01,448
in 1963
676
00:29:01,657 --> 00:29:03,784
at the top of the mesa,
right at the northern boundary
677
00:29:03,951 --> 00:29:05,994
of Skinwalker Ranch.
678
00:29:06,161 --> 00:29:10,540
That means
whoever placed this monument
679
00:29:10,707 --> 00:29:13,168
was only interested in what was south
680
00:29:13,377 --> 00:29:15,504
of the boundary line.
681
00:29:15,671 --> 00:29:17,506
I'm in a state of shock, because, to have
682
00:29:17,673 --> 00:29:20,968
a survey marker right on top of the mesa
683
00:29:21,176 --> 00:29:24,346
within close proximity to where
all of our drilling activity
684
00:29:24,513 --> 00:29:28,392
and some of the-the strangest
anomalies have been occurring,
685
00:29:28,558 --> 00:29:33,271
and it's within that date range where...
686
00:29:33,438 --> 00:29:37,943
all aerial imagery of the ranch
disappeared from the record.
687
00:29:38,110 --> 00:29:39,319
So, this is by the drill site?
688
00:29:39,486 --> 00:29:40,862
Yes.
689
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:43,740
This is only about 100 meters north
690
00:29:43,907 --> 00:29:45,951
of the mesa drill site.
691
00:29:46,076 --> 00:29:47,452
Wow.
692
00:29:47,619 --> 00:29:49,287
Man, that-that's, that's a...
693
00:29:49,496 --> 00:29:51,581
that's certainly a smoking gun.
694
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,085
Could this survey marker be evidence
695
00:29:55,252 --> 00:29:57,045
connecting
the U.S. Department of Defense
696
00:29:57,254 --> 00:29:59,006
to a possible excavation
697
00:29:59,214 --> 00:30:01,466
where we've detected
these objects in the mesa?
698
00:30:01,633 --> 00:30:03,385
And if so, what did they find
699
00:30:03,552 --> 00:30:05,470
that made them go to such lengths
700
00:30:05,637 --> 00:30:07,389
to possibly cover it up?
701
00:30:07,514 --> 00:30:09,224
Thank you, Pete Kelsey.
702
00:30:09,391 --> 00:30:12,477
We appreciate all of your great
work at Skinwalker Ranch.
703
00:30:12,644 --> 00:30:14,563
Thank you, Brandon.
704
00:30:14,730 --> 00:30:16,231
As we all know,
705
00:30:16,398 --> 00:30:19,192
studying what's going on inside the mesa
706
00:30:19,359 --> 00:30:21,069
is one of our main objectives, and Jan,
707
00:30:21,194 --> 00:30:23,905
I know you have some things
to reveal to this group,
708
00:30:24,072 --> 00:30:25,907
- some form of data.
- I do.
709
00:30:26,074 --> 00:30:27,951
Another thing that makes us believe
710
00:30:28,076 --> 00:30:30,871
there could be something
really incredible in the mesa
711
00:30:31,038 --> 00:30:33,582
is what Jan's GPR scans
have shown this year.
712
00:30:33,749 --> 00:30:35,500
After he ran one set
713
00:30:35,667 --> 00:30:37,461
of new scans inside Borehole 1,
714
00:30:37,627 --> 00:30:39,838
which runs through the mesa to the east
715
00:30:40,005 --> 00:30:41,590
of the buried anomalies,
716
00:30:41,715 --> 00:30:44,634
something in the mesa
warped his GPR signal,
717
00:30:44,801 --> 00:30:47,679
preventing him
from getting any data at all.
718
00:30:47,846 --> 00:30:49,514
Like whatever's in there
719
00:30:49,681 --> 00:30:52,350
is operating on some
kind of advanced technology.
720
00:30:52,476 --> 00:30:56,354
That made Jan redesign
his device to encrypt his signal
721
00:30:56,521 --> 00:30:58,148
and shield it from interference.
722
00:30:58,273 --> 00:31:00,108
And after that scan in Borehole 1,
723
00:31:00,233 --> 00:31:03,320
the data confirmed the objects
were right where we drilled.
724
00:31:03,487 --> 00:31:05,489
That makes it even more unbelievable
725
00:31:05,697 --> 00:31:09,409
that all our vertical boreholes
this year missed the big object.
726
00:31:09,618 --> 00:31:11,244
We're ready.
727
00:31:11,411 --> 00:31:12,871
So, last week,
728
00:31:13,038 --> 00:31:15,624
Jan returned to conduct
one last round of scans
729
00:31:15,791 --> 00:31:18,376
from inside the first
of our new vertical boreholes.
730
00:31:18,543 --> 00:31:19,878
It was drilled right in line
731
00:31:20,045 --> 00:31:21,797
with horizontal Borehole 2
732
00:31:21,963 --> 00:31:24,132
where we hit something incredibly hard
733
00:31:24,299 --> 00:31:27,969
about 33 feet down,
which stopped the borehole.
734
00:31:28,178 --> 00:31:30,013
That's also where
we found the ceramics.
735
00:31:30,180 --> 00:31:32,641
All we can hope now
is that this new data
736
00:31:32,808 --> 00:31:35,352
will show us where we need to drill next
737
00:31:35,477 --> 00:31:38,605
to finally figure out just
what in the heck is in there.
738
00:31:38,772 --> 00:31:42,275
So, I want to show you
some new data that we got.
739
00:31:42,442 --> 00:31:44,611
What's really interesting
is when we look at
740
00:31:44,778 --> 00:31:46,822
the south wall on the borehole.
741
00:31:46,988 --> 00:31:51,159
What I want you to look at
is this anomaly right here.
742
00:31:51,326 --> 00:31:54,913
That is absolutely characteristic of a void,
743
00:31:55,038 --> 00:31:57,374
which is what the end
of a borehole would be.
744
00:31:57,541 --> 00:32:00,710
- So, that's the end of Borehole 2?
- Yes.
745
00:32:00,877 --> 00:32:02,129
But here's the weird part.
746
00:32:02,337 --> 00:32:06,591
The depth is actually only at about
747
00:32:06,716 --> 00:32:08,927
18 to 20 feet.
748
00:32:09,136 --> 00:32:10,470
Really?
749
00:32:10,595 --> 00:32:12,347
Not 33 feet.
750
00:32:12,472 --> 00:32:15,058
- Wow.
- So, now explain that.
751
00:32:15,183 --> 00:32:17,060
Wow.
752
00:32:17,227 --> 00:32:18,478
It suggests that,
753
00:32:18,645 --> 00:32:20,480
we're looking in the wrong place.
754
00:32:20,647 --> 00:32:22,440
This is mind-boggling.
755
00:32:22,607 --> 00:32:25,902
Jan's new scans, taken from
inside the vertical borehole,
756
00:32:26,069 --> 00:32:28,446
are showing that our drilling
operation last year
757
00:32:28,655 --> 00:32:32,159
in Borehole 2 didn't stop
33 feet from the surface,
758
00:32:32,325 --> 00:32:36,746
but instead at a much shallower
depth of around 20 feet.
759
00:32:36,913 --> 00:32:39,207
So, is Jan's new GPR device wrong
760
00:32:39,416 --> 00:32:41,918
or was the drilling beacon
from last year interfered with?
761
00:32:42,085 --> 00:32:43,753
Because it showed that Borehole 2
762
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,881
stopped at 33 feet deep.
763
00:32:46,047 --> 00:32:48,175
Either way, it looks like whatever is
764
00:32:48,341 --> 00:32:51,261
inside the mesa messed
with our instruments again.
765
00:32:51,428 --> 00:32:53,889
This has been a really vexing issue,
766
00:32:54,097 --> 00:32:56,141
trying to figure out where we are.
767
00:32:56,308 --> 00:32:57,988
We have something
going on here that's like
768
00:32:58,059 --> 00:33:00,854
an active stealth application.
769
00:33:01,021 --> 00:33:03,231
You have stealth by design,
770
00:33:03,398 --> 00:33:05,400
you have stealth by application.
771
00:33:05,567 --> 00:33:07,194
You know, design is throwing off things
772
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,154
that interfere with the signal.
773
00:33:09,321 --> 00:33:13,200
So, what or who
designed whatever's in there?
774
00:33:18,830 --> 00:33:20,832
So, what or who
designed whatever's in there?
775
00:33:20,957 --> 00:33:24,002
It's exactly like a missile system
776
00:33:24,169 --> 00:33:27,464
that is a-a jammer for GPS.
777
00:33:27,631 --> 00:33:31,134
It basically sends signals out that causes
778
00:33:31,301 --> 00:33:34,137
any GPS systems to think
they're somewhere else.
779
00:33:34,304 --> 00:33:35,722
And how many times do we see that
780
00:33:35,889 --> 00:33:37,557
- on Skinwalker Ranch?
- Yep.
781
00:33:37,724 --> 00:33:40,518
- Yep. - Right?
- Well, this could be
782
00:33:40,685 --> 00:33:44,940
part of why we're seeing
covert military assets
783
00:33:45,106 --> 00:33:47,817
- deployed over Skinwalker Ranch.
- Right.
784
00:33:47,984 --> 00:33:49,861
Whatever is in the mesa
785
00:33:50,028 --> 00:33:51,863
seems to have a similar capability
786
00:33:52,030 --> 00:33:53,615
as our own military defense systems
787
00:33:53,782 --> 00:33:55,992
that can jam enemy radar
788
00:33:56,117 --> 00:33:57,953
and do things like make our vehicles
789
00:33:58,078 --> 00:34:00,080
impossible to track or locate.
790
00:34:00,247 --> 00:34:03,166
So, after all the strange clues
we've found
791
00:34:03,333 --> 00:34:05,168
around and in the mesa drill site,
792
00:34:05,377 --> 00:34:07,057
could that mean
there's something connected
793
00:34:07,128 --> 00:34:09,255
to our military buried in there?
794
00:34:09,422 --> 00:34:11,841
Or is it something much stranger
that our military
795
00:34:12,007 --> 00:34:15,428
and government
have known about for decades?
796
00:34:15,594 --> 00:34:17,013
Dr. Puthoff,
797
00:34:17,179 --> 00:34:18,619
when you launched your investigation
798
00:34:18,764 --> 00:34:21,726
with Robert Bigelow decades ago,
799
00:34:21,893 --> 00:34:24,187
did you have any suspicion
that there was
800
00:34:24,353 --> 00:34:26,063
something unusual in the mesa?
801
00:34:26,231 --> 00:34:28,525
No, this is, this is a new revelation.
802
00:34:28,692 --> 00:34:32,737
We-we didn't, think
of that option at the time.
803
00:34:32,904 --> 00:34:35,132
You didn't have the technology
available at the time, right?
804
00:34:35,156 --> 00:34:36,992
- Exactly.
- This could be
805
00:34:37,117 --> 00:34:39,703
a conglomeration
of some very complex piece
806
00:34:39,869 --> 00:34:43,039
of equipment that has been distributed,
807
00:34:43,206 --> 00:34:45,958
maybe through a crash, there at the mesa.
808
00:34:46,126 --> 00:34:48,253
So, until we either get more of it
809
00:34:48,460 --> 00:34:50,588
or some other test that we can do
810
00:34:50,755 --> 00:34:52,090
without d-damaging it,
811
00:34:52,299 --> 00:34:53,967
we have to be very cautious.
812
00:34:54,134 --> 00:34:55,635
And then the obvious question is
813
00:34:55,802 --> 00:34:57,929
- how did it get there?
- Right.
814
00:34:58,138 --> 00:34:59,806
And how do we get better images
815
00:34:59,973 --> 00:35:01,433
or data from inside the mesa?
816
00:35:01,558 --> 00:35:03,810
- Yes.
- Yeah, there's, other technologies
817
00:35:04,019 --> 00:35:05,604
that we can bring to bear as well.
818
00:35:05,770 --> 00:35:08,732
I'm thinking of the, work
done by the Italian group
819
00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:11,067
led by Dr. Filippo Biondi
820
00:35:11,234 --> 00:35:14,529
that, used satellite
synthetic aperture radar
821
00:35:14,696 --> 00:35:17,073
to look at the ground
underneath the pyramids
822
00:35:17,198 --> 00:35:18,450
there in Giza.
823
00:35:18,658 --> 00:35:20,136
The technology is really fascinating.
824
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,329
- Yeah.
- Erik and I,
825
00:35:22,537 --> 00:35:24,181
- we've been talking to him.
- Yeah, I've connected
826
00:35:24,205 --> 00:35:26,499
with Dr. Biondi,
and he is waiting for us now.
827
00:35:26,666 --> 00:35:28,627
- I'll bring him up.
- Very good.
828
00:35:28,793 --> 00:35:31,004
Hello, Dr. Biondi. How are you?
829
00:35:31,171 --> 00:35:33,590
- Fine, thank you. And you?
- Doing great.
830
00:35:33,715 --> 00:35:35,634
In March 2025,
831
00:35:35,759 --> 00:35:37,969
Dr. Filippo Biondi and his colleagues
832
00:35:38,178 --> 00:35:39,846
from the Khafre Project team
833
00:35:40,013 --> 00:35:42,098
reported the discovery of extensive
834
00:35:42,265 --> 00:35:43,767
pillar-like structures hidden beneath
835
00:35:43,933 --> 00:35:46,144
the Great Pyramid of Giza in Egypt.
836
00:35:46,311 --> 00:35:49,606
They discovered it using
Dr. Biondi's cutting-edge method
837
00:35:49,773 --> 00:35:51,608
of analyzing satellite-based
838
00:35:51,775 --> 00:35:53,318
synthetic aperture radar imagery,
839
00:35:53,485 --> 00:35:55,528
also known as H-SAR.
840
00:35:55,737 --> 00:35:58,615
We're really interested in the technology.
841
00:35:58,782 --> 00:36:00,617
So, tell us a little bit about how it works
842
00:36:00,784 --> 00:36:02,661
and what you would need to do that.
843
00:36:22,472 --> 00:36:23,973
Okay.
844
00:36:35,985 --> 00:36:38,154
Just from everyday human activity
845
00:36:38,279 --> 00:36:40,115
and things in nature like weather,
846
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:42,742
the surface of the Earth
is constantly vibrating.
847
00:36:42,909 --> 00:36:46,079
When a satellite
flies over taking radar data,
848
00:36:46,246 --> 00:36:48,957
those vibrations
slightly alter the radar signal
849
00:36:49,124 --> 00:36:50,625
that bounces back up.
850
00:36:50,792 --> 00:36:52,377
Dr. Biondi's team has figured out
851
00:36:52,544 --> 00:36:54,713
how to use that information
to scan for voids
852
00:36:54,879 --> 00:36:56,965
and structures deep underground.
853
00:36:57,132 --> 00:36:59,592
This is how they imaged
all the possible structures
854
00:36:59,718 --> 00:37:01,553
under the Great Pyramid in Egypt.
855
00:37:01,678 --> 00:37:03,805
So, it would be incredibly interesting
856
00:37:03,972 --> 00:37:06,224
to see what it might show us in the mesa
857
00:37:06,391 --> 00:37:08,101
and below Skinwalker Ranch.
858
00:37:08,268 --> 00:37:11,271
What's the maximum depth
you think you can see
859
00:37:11,396 --> 00:37:13,231
with this technology?
860
00:37:18,361 --> 00:37:21,281
- So, that's up to three miles deep.
- Yes.
861
00:37:21,448 --> 00:37:23,366
That sounds fascinating.
862
00:37:23,533 --> 00:37:25,452
You know, we've got objects, potentially,
863
00:37:25,660 --> 00:37:27,162
underneath the property here,
864
00:37:27,328 --> 00:37:29,247
- Yes.
- And, it would be great
865
00:37:29,414 --> 00:37:33,626
- if we got any kind of return to verify these things.
- Yes.
866
00:37:33,793 --> 00:37:35,920
We would really like to see
867
00:37:36,087 --> 00:37:38,256
that technology brought to bear here,
868
00:37:38,423 --> 00:37:41,593
In Utah at Skinwalker Ranch.
869
00:37:45,930 --> 00:37:48,641
- Great.
- So, all you need, then,
870
00:37:48,808 --> 00:37:52,437
is for us to commission, data from
871
00:37:52,604 --> 00:37:55,190
- a satellite that will pass over the ranch?
- Yeah.
872
00:37:55,356 --> 00:37:57,400
- Yes.
- Now, once you get the data,
873
00:37:57,567 --> 00:37:59,861
how long does it take you
to do the analysis
874
00:38:00,028 --> 00:38:03,948
and all the-the number crunching
to get, the results?
875
00:38:14,959 --> 00:38:16,336
That sounds great.
876
00:38:16,503 --> 00:38:18,546
We're very excited to engage with you,
877
00:38:18,713 --> 00:38:20,924
and, we really appreciate your,
878
00:38:21,090 --> 00:38:22,842
your availability, Doctor.
879
00:38:23,009 --> 00:38:24,511
Thank you.
880
00:38:24,636 --> 00:38:26,513
Dr. Biondi, thank you very much.
881
00:38:26,638 --> 00:38:28,431
We're looking forward to,
882
00:38:28,556 --> 00:38:31,142
getting moving on this and
seeing some of the data results.
883
00:38:31,309 --> 00:38:32,852
We'll be in touch.
884
00:38:33,061 --> 00:38:34,246
- Thank you.
- It's nice meeting you.
885
00:38:34,270 --> 00:38:36,231
- Ciao.
- Ciao. -Ciao.
886
00:38:36,356 --> 00:38:37,816
That's awesome.
887
00:38:38,024 --> 00:38:39,609
What could possibly be better?
888
00:38:43,738 --> 00:38:45,198
Wow, what an incredible year.
889
00:38:45,365 --> 00:38:48,159
As we look forward to the future
890
00:38:48,326 --> 00:38:50,578
and we close
the chapter on this last year,
891
00:38:50,745 --> 00:38:53,706
I would love for us to set up
892
00:38:53,873 --> 00:38:57,627
the next phase of experiments
and our work in the mesa.
893
00:38:57,794 --> 00:38:59,629
Yeah, I think it's imperative
894
00:38:59,796 --> 00:39:03,174
that we-we continue to probe
895
00:39:03,383 --> 00:39:05,677
and experiment with the bubble
boundary and the triangle.
896
00:39:05,802 --> 00:39:08,346
- Yes.
- Yep.
897
00:39:08,513 --> 00:39:11,307
And the possibility
of the bubble connecting
898
00:39:11,474 --> 00:39:13,309
distant places on the ranch.
899
00:39:13,476 --> 00:39:16,062
We need to identify
what we're dealing with
900
00:39:16,229 --> 00:39:18,022
- at these locations.
- Yeah.
901
00:39:18,189 --> 00:39:19,858
And we want to connect with others
902
00:39:20,024 --> 00:39:22,527
investigating similar types of UAPs
903
00:39:22,694 --> 00:39:25,071
- and push for more transparency.
- Yeah.
904
00:39:25,238 --> 00:39:26,489
The exploration
905
00:39:26,656 --> 00:39:28,199
has been going on
for many, many years,
906
00:39:28,366 --> 00:39:30,910
and I feel like we're making
extraordinary progress.
907
00:39:31,077 --> 00:39:32,829
- Absolutely.
- Dr. Puthoff,
908
00:39:32,996 --> 00:39:35,081
as the senior science advisor,
909
00:39:35,248 --> 00:39:39,669
and the one with the longest
tenure at Skinwalker Ranch,
910
00:39:39,836 --> 00:39:43,965
do you have advice
as we open this next chapter?
911
00:39:44,132 --> 00:39:46,759
Well, the thing that I have seen
912
00:39:46,926 --> 00:39:50,430
which has been the movement
from where we were
913
00:39:50,597 --> 00:39:53,516
when we did investigate the ranch
914
00:39:53,641 --> 00:39:57,228
with, Bigelow's, assets and so on
915
00:39:57,395 --> 00:40:01,399
and then to see how you've
brought in such a team of people
916
00:40:01,566 --> 00:40:03,985
and increased the kinds of equipment
917
00:40:04,152 --> 00:40:06,112
that you've, brought to bear,
918
00:40:06,237 --> 00:40:08,907
I mean, I'm absolutely in-in awe
919
00:40:09,073 --> 00:40:12,327
of what you and your team
have, brought to this.
920
00:40:12,493 --> 00:40:15,830
So, all I can do is say, you know, I-I...
921
00:40:15,997 --> 00:40:18,833
vote for you to continue,
doing what you're doing
922
00:40:18,958 --> 00:40:21,461
because you're actually
making... making a difference.
923
00:40:21,628 --> 00:40:22,795
- Thank you.
- Awesome.
924
00:40:22,962 --> 00:40:24,505
Well, I love this team.
925
00:40:24,672 --> 00:40:27,508
We, we've become
like family over the years.
926
00:40:27,675 --> 00:40:31,721
I don't think anyone anticipated
the journey that would unfold.
927
00:40:31,888 --> 00:40:35,475
And I think we're just finally getting
928
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,101
not only some real answers
929
00:40:37,268 --> 00:40:40,146
or, at least,
being guided toward the answers,
930
00:40:40,313 --> 00:40:42,857
but, we have the world watching.
931
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,235
I applaud everyone's efforts,
932
00:40:46,361 --> 00:40:49,072
and I-I challenge you to continue,
933
00:40:49,238 --> 00:40:53,284
To map out the way forward
to help us get the answers.
934
00:40:53,451 --> 00:40:55,036
- Absolutely.
- All right.
935
00:40:55,203 --> 00:40:59,082
Congratulations on an incredible
year at Skinwalker Ranch.
936
00:40:59,248 --> 00:41:01,459
- Thank you, Brandon.
- Thank you.
937
00:41:04,712 --> 00:41:06,255
I want to understand
938
00:41:06,464 --> 00:41:09,759
the nature and agenda
of the phenomenon.
939
00:41:09,926 --> 00:41:13,054
I don't think any of us is content
940
00:41:13,262 --> 00:41:16,265
to let the mystery
at the ranch remain a secret.
941
00:41:18,267 --> 00:41:21,354
What lies both above
and beneath the property
942
00:41:21,479 --> 00:41:23,773
is a continued focus
943
00:41:23,982 --> 00:41:26,192
of our efforts as we map out
944
00:41:26,359 --> 00:41:30,154
the future of this
most unique investigation.
945
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:32,907
Our experiments this year
946
00:41:33,074 --> 00:41:35,118
pushed the boundaries
and expanded on everything
947
00:41:35,284 --> 00:41:37,537
we thought we knew about
Skinwalker Ranch.
948
00:41:37,745 --> 00:41:40,581
And I believe our work
has never been more timely
949
00:41:40,748 --> 00:41:42,083
than it is right now.
950
00:41:43,042 --> 00:41:44,836
The mysteries we're investigating
951
00:41:44,961 --> 00:41:48,339
are the same ones being
routinely discussed everywhere,
952
00:41:48,506 --> 00:41:50,675
from the general public
to the most classified meetings
953
00:41:50,842 --> 00:41:52,301
of government officials.
954
00:41:53,386 --> 00:41:56,806
So, I think we owe it
to ourselves and the whole world
955
00:41:56,973 --> 00:42:00,143
to keep on going
until we find the answers.
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