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- At 18, I was charged with murder.
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Notorious, the teenage dominatrix.
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I was accused of killing a
respected English cricket umpire
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by throwing him bound hand
and foot into a raging river.
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I was very naive, very young, very stupid.
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- It was just an incredibly sad, sad story
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of a girl who got involved
with the wrong people.
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- [Renee] I was charged
with my then boyfriend,
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Neville Walker.
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The shocking secrets of bondage
and discipline were exposed
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for the first time in
three sensational trials
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that gripped a whole nation.
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- She looked for all the
world like a demure debutante.
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She did not look like a murderer,
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or a dominatrix for that matter.
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- I was there, so I know what happened.
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My clients knew me as Mistress Dominique.
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This is my story.
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(dramatic music)
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(suspenseful music)
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- Well, not only was it
a, you know, sensational,
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jolly trial, it had so much
media interest because of that.
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- It was just absolutely
full on with pictures.
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Good story, got everything.
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- [Anna] It was a media scrap all right.
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- Get out.
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- [Reporter] Details of a conversation
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were given to the court
by secret witness A,
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but all personal details of the witness
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have been suppressed.
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- Neville said that they couldn't
let Mr. Plumley-Walker go,
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otherwise, he'd go straight to the police
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about the hiding he'd just been given.
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He said that they had to get rid of him.
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- Did she tell you anything
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about Mr. Plumley-Walker's
condition at that time?
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- She said that he walked out to the car
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and she showed me how bent over he was,
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hands tied in the front,
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and that when they got to the falls,
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they took him out of the car
and they weighted him down.
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- Did she say anything else
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about Mr. Plumley-Walker at that time?
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- She said that she knew that he knew
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that he was going to die.
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- Disbelief.
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I knew that it was not true.
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I was angry.
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I was angry that she was up there lying.
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- There was a lot of talk
about the secret witnesses
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and, you know, who they were,
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you know, back in the newsroom,
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and, actually, in restaurants
and bars, you know,
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whenever you went out
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there was a lot of speculation
about who they were.
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And, you know, sometimes
you would hear some
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quite well-known names in New
Zealand circles mentioned.
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- [Narrator] Neville Walker
had allegedly given details
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about Peter Plumley-Walker's death
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to a man in the holding cells
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at the Auckland District Court.
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The man was a police informer.
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- He told me Ms. Chignell had
been beating Plumley-Walker
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and just generally abusing him,
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and that he'd actually
beaten him himself as well.
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And then Plumley-Walker cried out,
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"I'm fucked, I've had enough."
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- I'm fucked, I've had enough.
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- Yeah, then Walker said
him and Ms. Chignell
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went and had a coffee
and something to eat,
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but when they came back, they
found him all slumped over,
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looking a lot worse for wear.
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So they unchained him and
Walker tried to find a pulse,
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but he couldn't, so he
gave him cardiac massage.
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- What else did the
defendant, Walker, tell you?
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- Well, they decided to
take the body to Huka Falls.
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And when they got to the
falls, they dumped him over.
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- Did he tell you anything about
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Mr. Plumley-Walker's
condition at that time?
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- He said his arms were still twitching.
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- If Renee and her accomplice
had known that he was alive,
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then plainly murder at Taupo was,
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not to put too fine a point
on it, a slam dunk. (chuckles)
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- It was always going to be a case
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where any lawyer involved
was gonna make his mark.
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Either way, good or bad,
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they were gonna be in the
media every single day.
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- Well, we had our moments.
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- Christopher Harder
was just extraordinary.
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- I had a lot of admiration for Chris.
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He was a superb, determined,
perhaps obsessively so,
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private investigator.
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He was also, though, a renegade.
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- Just as the bite.
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- [Carroll] At one stage he
got a scorpion and produced it,
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and said, "What's going on
at the moment in this trial
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is as bad as a scorpion as the
fatal killer of my client."
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- He did things that were
likely to annoy the judiciary,
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and the risk was
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we just had no way of knowing
how he would impress a jury.
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- On the 1st of May, you were in court
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and you spoke to Neville
Walker, is that right?
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- [Secret Witness B] Yes.
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- [Chris] And you were bailed at
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about 10 past two in the
afternoon, weren't you?
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- Early afternoon.
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- Did you then contact Constable
Ruth requesting a meeting?
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- Yeah, to give him a
book on a car and I said
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I had something else I
wanted to talk to him about.
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- Well, I put it to you
that at this meeting
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you received money from Constable Ruth
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for previous information given to him.
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- That probably happened at the same time.
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That's not why I called him.
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I mentioned to him about the book
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that I promised to give him,
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and then I said I had something else
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that I wanted to tell him.
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By that I was referring to
what had been said to me
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by Neville Walker.
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- How much money did you receive?
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- Well, I'm not sure.
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- Take your time, think about it.
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Was it a hundred, 200, 500?
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- It wasn't that much.
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- Well, how much?
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Was it in the hundreds or the tens?
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- It was 300, sorry.
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- [Chris] You have a number
of previous convictions,
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is that right?
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- Yes.
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- Do you accept that you have
about 36 burglary convictions,
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29 for theft, 46 for false pretenses,
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nine for altering a document?
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- Yeah, I got quite a long past record,
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but over the last year that
has changed, thankfully.
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- Cellmate confessions,
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one simply cannot say they never happen
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and that they're never genuine,
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but reliability is a major issue
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because prisoners have too much to gain
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by cooperating with authorities.
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Almost invariably,
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the toughest witness
of the police officers,
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all those professional
witnesses called for the Crown
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know that they're not
there to help the defense.
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- [Stuart] You were present when Mr. Dewar
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first came into the interview
room to speak to Ms. Chignell,
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weren't you?
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- Yes, I was.
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- And you didn't take any
notes of this conversation,
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did you?
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- No, it was his interview.
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I took down her written
statement at the end.
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- And what did you do with it?
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- Gave it to DSS Dewar.
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He made the comment that it differed
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from what she'd said
in the interview room.
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- [Stuart] Did you agree with that?
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- Yes, as I was taking
the statement from her,
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I mentioned that it differed
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from what she'd earlier said to Dewar,
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but she insisted that what
she put down in the statement
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was, in fact, what she
now was saying happened.
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I was only there to record her statement.
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- Did Mr. Dewar show
you his job sheet notes?
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- Yes, he asked me to read them
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and make sure they were
correct as I record them.
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I was convinced it was a
true and correct record
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of the interview, and
I certified it as such.
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- And did you then show Ms.
Chignell the job sheet notes
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that you had just certified as correct
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so that she could see the differences?
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- No, that was done later
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by Detective Senior Sergeant Dewar.
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- Well, it might've been
fairer to show her right then
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exactly what you and
Mr. Dewar had maintained
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that she had said.
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- I could've done that,
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but I knew Ms. Chignell
was an achieved liar.
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I wasn't gonna push her
or lose her confidence
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when we'd at least got her talking.
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- She had been encouraged to talk.
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Payn took the statement,
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which didn't have the oral material
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that Dewar later recorded.
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- Even Detective Payn was quite shocked
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when he came back in with a statement
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and banged it on the desk.
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You know, Renee, you're to sign this now.
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And I was shocked.
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I was absolutely shocked
and just angry as well,
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that, you know, he's a detective
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and he's wanting me to sign
something I have not said.
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- He had alleged a number of admissions
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that weren't recorded on a job sheet.
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- And he was a bully.
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- Our in was to try and drive a wedge
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between the testimony of
the two police officers.
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- Were you critical of Mr. Payn
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after reading the statement
he took from Ms. Chignell
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after your interview?
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- I was obviously disappointed.
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It was missing one important point.
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- What important point?
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- Well, admission
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with regards to the murder
of Mr. Plumley-Walker.
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- You said that she told you three times,
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I knew what was happening to him.
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- A number of times, yes.
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- She said something like,
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I taught you bloody bastard.
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I decided to leave the
bastard hanging there.
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Is that what you're saying?
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- No, that's what she told me.
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- Well, I suggest to you that
she said none of these things
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and that they're total fabrication.
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What do you say to that?
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- Well, if your defense
is attacking the police,
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I think that's pretty pathetic.
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See, I don't work on commission.
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I don't rely for the future of my success
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on convictions and acquittals,
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and I don't have to tell lies,
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and I don't run that
risk of perjuring myself.
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Now, your client clearly
told me her involvement
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in the presence of Payn,
and he substantiates that.
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- And yet when she sees your
record for the first time
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and she comes to the place where you say
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that she said it was murder,
she immediately says to you,
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"No, I didn't say that."
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- Yes, that's right.
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- I suggest to you that in
the midst of all the activity,
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you simply got it wrong,
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and you misunderstood what
she was trying to say to you.
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- No.
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There is absolutely no doubt in my mind
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that your client said it was murder then.
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Now it really was a bombshell.
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And I knew by her demeanor,
which had changed at that point,
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that she'd had a moment of
weakness that had dropped
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and that remark just came out.
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Now, I am absolutely certain
that is what she said.
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- What was surprising was that
Renee actually never spoke.
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She never gave any, you know,
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she didn't take the stand at all.
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And I think a lot of us were
quite surprised by that.
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- I don't mean to demean her
her intelligence or anything,
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but she was confused as a young woman,
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confused by the process.
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She would've been a lamb to the slaughter
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of cross-examination
had we ever called her,
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and so she was never going to be called.
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- [Reporter] When
19-year-old Renee Chignell
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arrived for the final day
of her High Court trial,
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she followed her lawyer's
instructions and said nothing.
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- [Reporter] Are you feeling confident?
258
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- When the jury came back
in it was absolute silence.
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I remember looking at this
one particular older woman,
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and she didn't look at me, you know.
261
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We'd had days and days of looking
at each other and smiling,
262
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and she didn't look at me.
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- All rise.
264
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(suspenseful music)
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In relation to the accused,
Neville George Walker,
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how do you find him guilty, or not guilty?
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- [Juror] Guilty.
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(gasping)
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- [Public Gallery Member] Bullshit.
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- And in relation to the
accused, Renee Melanie Chignell,
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guilty or not guilty?
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- Guilty.
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- [Ngaire] She didn't do it.
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- She didn't kind of react
the way I thought she would.
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And later she told me that
she just didn't believe it.
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She thought it just couldn't be true.
277
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- I can hear my mother calling out to me,
278
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telling me that she loves me
and other people talking to me.
279
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That was a really, really painful memory
280
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just to feel just the hurt from,
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you know, friends and family, yeah.
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It will stay with me for a long time.
283
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- When the first verdict
and the first trial came out
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that they were guilty,
285
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everyone was absolutely astonished.
286
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You know, they just couldn't believe
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that it was a guilty verdict.
288
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- I was very sorry, really.
289
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I thought it was wrong.
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I thought manslaughter at most,
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but murder seemed way off the mark.
292
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- Whatever went down I
don't think personally,
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and I think a lot of people
agreed with me at the time,
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there was the intent there to kill him.
295
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- [Reporter] There were gasps of surprise
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as the two were given
the mandatory sentence,
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life imprisonment.
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- No comment to make at all.
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- [Reporter] The two convicted murderers
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were rushed away under tight
security to Mount Eden Prison.
301
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- And we got taken away so quickly
302
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back down to the holding
cells and I just lost it.
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(chains rattling)
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I put a dog collar around his neck
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and clipped it to a
chain from the ceiling.
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I asked him if it was
tight enough and he said,
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"No, Mistress, I want tight bondage."
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So I put everything up a couple of notches
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and the collar slipped up his neck.
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He didn't have anything in his mouth,
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so he was able to talk.
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He wasn't blindfolded.
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He was absolutely fine.
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He was on his tiptoes by this point.
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If he stood flat-footed,
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the chain around his
neck would've tightened.
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I asked him if he was okay and he said.
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- Yes, Mistress.
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- He was getting right
into it, enjoying it.
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He was all for tight bondage.
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- What happened then?
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- I left the room.
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I would say, slave, I'm
going out of the room.
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You are to behave, you
know, I will be back soon.
325
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And I would sometimes
go out, sometimes not.
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I would open the door, shut
the door, still be there,
327
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and then come up and give him a smack.
328
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And it's just that
heightened sense of arousal
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that they're going through.
330
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I was quite taken back by
what Peter had told me.
331
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I had a coffee and a cigarette
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and told Neville all about it,
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that Peter was a sick-minded person.
334
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Neville agreed.
335
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(suspenseful music)
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I was gone about 20 minutes,
I suppose, longer than usual.
337
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I would've thought that if
he was having any problems
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he would've yelled out,
or made some noise.
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I would've heard the chains shaking
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because they were down
and would've made a noise
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if he was trying to get my attention.
342
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I came back in, it was absolutely,
343
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I can't even put words into
how I felt when I saw him.
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Neville!
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I remember screaming out
to Neville to come in.
346
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I was getting him down onto the floor.
347
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(loud thump and Renee crying)
348
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- [Neville] What the fuck is going on?
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Fuckin' help him, mate.
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(Renee crying)
351
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- [Reporter] Dominatrix
Renee Chignell and her lover,
352
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Neville Walker, are still behind bars
353
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for the murder of Peter Plumley-Walker.
354
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Elsewhere today, lawyers
were filing a formal appeal
355
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against the verdict.
356
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Questions were being raised
about lawyers' conduct
357
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and controversy was raging over
the use of police informers
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in the trial.
359
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- Well, the submission
to the Court of Appeal
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was that the trial judge,
the summing up was erroneous.
361
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You could not tell from the verdict
362
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whether there were some jurors
363
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who were satisfied beyond reasonable doubt
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of murder at Auckland,
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or whether they were satisfied
beyond reasonable doubt
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of murder at Taupo.
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And the law required
that they had to be sure.
368
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- [Reporter] The appeal
judge is saying the jury
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wasn't clearly told their
decision on where he died
370
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must be unanimous before they
could return a guilty verdict.
371
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They also declared Walker's conviction
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a miscarriage of justice
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because the police didn't
disclose damaging information
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on a controversial crown witness,
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secret witness B.
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He referred the Court of
Appeal to an affidavit
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from an old friend of secret witness B's,
378
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who said, "B told him that he lied
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about the twitching at the falls.
380
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He lied about the beating, and
that he'd done it for greed."
381
00:19:18,264 --> 00:19:20,203
- That's what caused the Court of Appeal
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to order a new trial.
383
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- The Plumley-Walker murder trial
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begins all over again tomorrow.
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It'll be the second trial
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for Renee Chignell and Neville Walker.
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- [Reporter] On the eve of this new trial,
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Neville Walker is a free man
after his successful appeal,
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but Renee Chignell is still in prison.
390
00:19:42,007 --> 00:19:45,204
- The superintendent
of the jail said to me,
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"Renee, you have a visitor here."
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I thought, well, great,
I've got a visitor.
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She said, "Well, the visitor
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is actually in one of the other wings."
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00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:59,117
And for the life of me, I
couldn't think who on earth
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00:19:59,117 --> 00:20:02,869
she was talking about,
you know, friend or who?
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00:20:02,869 --> 00:20:05,961
Mom, oh, my God, oh, my God.
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00:20:05,961 --> 00:20:07,688
I can't believe they let you in here.
399
00:20:07,688 --> 00:20:09,221
They never do that.
400
00:20:09,221 --> 00:20:11,317
- [Ngaire] I'm not a visitor, sweetie.
401
00:20:11,317 --> 00:20:12,506
- What?
402
00:20:12,506 --> 00:20:15,037
- Parking tickets finally
caught up with me.
403
00:20:15,037 --> 00:20:17,573
They slapped me with a
ridiculous finding cost,
404
00:20:17,573 --> 00:20:19,607
10,000 bucks.
405
00:20:19,607 --> 00:20:21,577
- Can you have got the money?
406
00:20:21,577 --> 00:20:22,860
You should have asked.
407
00:20:22,860 --> 00:20:23,861
- I could've got it,
408
00:20:23,861 --> 00:20:27,239
but my other choice was a
few weeks in here with you.
409
00:20:27,239 --> 00:20:28,108
- Oh, mom.
410
00:20:29,836 --> 00:20:32,685
- So tell me what's going on.
411
00:20:34,559 --> 00:20:36,812
I heard Neville's out on bail.
412
00:20:36,812 --> 00:20:38,532
- Have to wait for the second trial.
413
00:20:38,532 --> 00:20:41,034
- [Ngaire] So why are you still in here?
414
00:20:41,034 --> 00:20:42,755
- 'Cause I didn't apply.
415
00:20:42,755 --> 00:20:44,068
I don't want bail.
416
00:20:44,068 --> 00:20:45,806
- Oh, baby, why not?
417
00:20:47,279 --> 00:20:48,148
- Before he got out,
418
00:20:48,148 --> 00:20:51,232
he used to smuggle notes to
move from the men's prison.
419
00:20:51,232 --> 00:20:52,139
He worked in the kitchens.
420
00:20:52,139 --> 00:20:54,235
It's where they make our food.
421
00:20:54,235 --> 00:20:56,268
- [Ngaire] What did he say to you?
422
00:20:56,268 --> 00:20:58,990
- He wants me to take all the blame.
423
00:20:58,990 --> 00:21:01,649
He reckons the courts will go easy on me.
424
00:21:01,649 --> 00:21:02,900
Give me a shorter sentence
425
00:21:02,900 --> 00:21:05,249
'cause I'm a young white
girl with no record.
426
00:21:06,497 --> 00:21:09,969
Says he loves me and he'll
come and see me in prison.
427
00:21:09,969 --> 00:21:11,064
- No, he's just using you.
428
00:21:11,064 --> 00:21:12,694
You can't listen to that.
429
00:21:13,692 --> 00:21:16,820
- If I'm out on bail, he
can try and get to me,
430
00:21:16,820 --> 00:21:18,947
control me even more.
431
00:21:18,947 --> 00:21:21,074
- Not if you came home with me.
432
00:21:21,074 --> 00:21:24,202
- The news and TV reporters,
they'd never leave us alone.
433
00:21:24,202 --> 00:21:25,488
- [Ngaire] I don't care.
434
00:21:27,456 --> 00:21:28,863
- I'll just get used to it.
435
00:21:29,989 --> 00:21:34,338
Being out, what if I
was found guilty again?
436
00:21:34,338 --> 00:21:35,999
They'd just lock me back up.
437
00:21:37,747 --> 00:21:38,738
It's too hard, mom.
438
00:21:40,344 --> 00:21:41,285
I can't face it.
439
00:21:42,690 --> 00:21:47,163
I didn't want to put any
more stress on my family
440
00:21:47,163 --> 00:21:49,415
and friends, you know.
441
00:21:49,415 --> 00:21:51,542
I explained to everyone that I'm fine.
442
00:21:51,542 --> 00:21:52,856
I'm safe here.
443
00:21:52,856 --> 00:21:54,955
No one's going to pester them.
444
00:21:56,817 --> 00:21:58,487
- Dramatic new developments
445
00:21:58,487 --> 00:22:00,551
in the Plumley-Walker murder trial.
446
00:22:00,551 --> 00:22:01,990
There's no verdict.
447
00:22:01,990 --> 00:22:05,275
After 15 hours, the jury
couldn't reach a conclusion
448
00:22:05,275 --> 00:22:08,997
and so the judge dismissed
the 12 men and women.
449
00:22:08,997 --> 00:22:11,093
- [Reporter] Defense lawyers
were warned by the judge
450
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not to discuss the case with the media
451
00:22:13,189 --> 00:22:15,566
because there could be a new trial.
452
00:22:15,566 --> 00:22:17,349
- I've got no comment to make.
453
00:22:17,349 --> 00:22:19,445
And then we had, of
course, the third trial
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in front of Justice Noel Anderson.
455
00:22:22,861 --> 00:22:25,989
(suspenseful music)
456
00:22:30,738 --> 00:22:33,709
The question was,
particularly the third trial,
457
00:22:33,709 --> 00:22:38,561
how did we convey these
evidential issues to the jury?
458
00:22:39,872 --> 00:22:44,627
The defense contention
was death at Auckland
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00:22:44,627 --> 00:22:48,161
and at worst manslaughter.
460
00:22:48,161 --> 00:22:50,664
And the prosecution contention was
461
00:22:50,664 --> 00:22:53,479
death by drowning at Taupo.
462
00:22:53,479 --> 00:22:56,626
And so there laid the
seeds of a real battle
463
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in terms of the forensic pathology.
464
00:23:00,424 --> 00:23:03,020
- [Reporter] A postmortem on
Peter Plumley-Walker was done
465
00:23:03,020 --> 00:23:06,774
soon after his body was
pulled from the Waikato River.
466
00:23:06,774 --> 00:23:07,900
That medical evidence
467
00:23:07,900 --> 00:23:10,183
was called as part of the Crown's case,
468
00:23:10,183 --> 00:23:12,967
which hinges on proving
Plumley-Walker was alive
469
00:23:12,967 --> 00:23:15,223
when he was thrown over the Huka Falls.
470
00:23:16,189 --> 00:23:20,913
- Dr. Taylor, did you
examine the deceased's heart?
471
00:23:20,913 --> 00:23:22,205
- [Dr. Taylor] Yes.
472
00:23:22,205 --> 00:23:23,073
- What did you see?
473
00:23:23,073 --> 00:23:24,385
- I saw the small atheroma bump
474
00:23:24,385 --> 00:23:27,701
in an otherwise normal artery
for the age of the patient.
475
00:23:27,701 --> 00:23:30,767
- Did you reveal that detail
in your pathology report?
476
00:23:30,767 --> 00:23:33,613
- Yes, I said I considered
the atheroma to be normal.
477
00:23:33,613 --> 00:23:36,898
- But now you're saying normal for age?
478
00:23:36,898 --> 00:23:37,766
- Yes.
479
00:23:38,681 --> 00:23:40,279
- How closed was the artery?
480
00:23:41,449 --> 00:23:44,095
- To a moderate degree.
481
00:23:45,093 --> 00:23:48,034
- You're aware the heart
slide has been examined
482
00:23:48,034 --> 00:23:50,411
by Sir Brian Barratt-Boyes.
483
00:23:50,411 --> 00:23:51,280
- Yes.
484
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,696
- And that he will give
evidence for the defense to say
485
00:23:53,696 --> 00:23:55,823
that it was the main heart artery
486
00:23:55,823 --> 00:23:57,887
and that it was 50% closed.
487
00:23:57,887 --> 00:23:58,756
What do you say to that?
488
00:23:58,756 --> 00:24:00,890
- In my view, the deceased
had no disease of the heart
489
00:24:00,890 --> 00:24:03,205
that could have contributed to his death.
490
00:24:03,205 --> 00:24:06,009
- You're not disagreeing
with Sir Brian Barratt-Boyes,
491
00:24:06,009 --> 00:24:07,244
are you?
492
00:24:09,649 --> 00:24:11,161
- I'm telling you my opinion.
493
00:24:12,558 --> 00:24:15,374
No doubt he would tell
the court his opinion.
494
00:24:15,374 --> 00:24:18,502
- When you start getting
professional people in,
495
00:24:18,502 --> 00:24:20,691
like Sir Barratt-Boyes,
496
00:24:20,691 --> 00:24:24,883
you know, it makes a huge difference.
497
00:24:24,883 --> 00:24:29,419
- Question then was, well,
what was the mechanism
498
00:24:29,419 --> 00:24:33,423
by which Plumley-Walker
had, in fact, died?
499
00:24:33,423 --> 00:24:35,675
And was it strangulation,
500
00:24:35,675 --> 00:24:40,889
or was it pressure on the vagus nerve
501
00:24:41,462 --> 00:24:45,122
caused by the ligature
when he was strung up?
502
00:24:45,122 --> 00:24:48,688
- Dr. Taylor, if a person
were to die by hanging
503
00:24:48,688 --> 00:24:50,940
in unusual circumstances,
504
00:24:50,940 --> 00:24:54,037
what evidence would you
require as a pathologist?
505
00:24:54,037 --> 00:24:55,601
- A rope.
506
00:24:55,601 --> 00:24:56,897
- Did the police tell you
507
00:24:56,897 --> 00:25:00,294
that the deceased was more
upset on the day he died
508
00:25:00,294 --> 00:25:01,983
than he'd ever been before?
509
00:25:01,983 --> 00:25:02,851
- No.
510
00:25:02,851 --> 00:25:03,720
- [Chris] Did the police tell you
511
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,081
that he had been rejected by his wife
512
00:25:06,081 --> 00:25:07,864
after the divorce that morning?
513
00:25:07,864 --> 00:25:08,732
- No.
514
00:25:08,732 --> 00:25:09,601
- [Chris] Did the police tell you
515
00:25:09,601 --> 00:25:12,180
that he had a nine year
matrimonial separation?
516
00:25:12,180 --> 00:25:13,049
- No.
517
00:25:13,049 --> 00:25:13,918
- Did the police tell you
518
00:25:13,918 --> 00:25:16,059
that he did not want to
be divorced on that day?
519
00:25:16,059 --> 00:25:17,625
- [Dr. Taylor] No.
520
00:25:17,625 --> 00:25:21,909
- Can you describe to us how
the police first suggested
521
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:23,942
he may have died?
522
00:25:23,942 --> 00:25:24,811
- In bondage.
523
00:25:24,811 --> 00:25:26,820
He was tied with his feet
and arms stretched out
524
00:25:26,820 --> 00:25:27,759
and a noose around the neck.
525
00:25:27,759 --> 00:25:29,260
He was suspended from the ceiling.
526
00:25:29,260 --> 00:25:32,127
- Did they tell you how they
suspected he was standing?
527
00:25:33,108 --> 00:25:34,359
- Possibly on tiptoe.
528
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,079
- [Chris] Balls of his feet?
529
00:25:36,079 --> 00:25:37,080
- Yes.
530
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:38,770
- Ever tried to stand on
the balls of your feet
531
00:25:38,770 --> 00:25:40,302
for 20 minutes?
532
00:25:40,302 --> 00:25:41,171
- No.
533
00:25:44,338 --> 00:25:46,058
- If a person became tired,
534
00:25:46,058 --> 00:25:50,062
or lost concentration for a
moment in a situation like that,
535
00:25:50,062 --> 00:25:52,658
could the bonds on the
neck have caused vasovagal,
536
00:25:52,658 --> 00:25:57,132
or compression of the neck
causing acute heart failure?
537
00:25:57,132 --> 00:25:59,105
- Mr. Harder.
538
00:26:01,355 --> 00:26:02,223
- Yes.
539
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,486
(thump)
540
00:26:07,796 --> 00:26:13,010
(door opens)
(somber music)
541
00:26:15,295 --> 00:26:19,591
- I insisted to Neville
that we phone the ambulance.
542
00:26:19,591 --> 00:26:24,804
This man needed help, you know,
he definitely needed help.
543
00:26:24,972 --> 00:26:30,186
Neville was also trying to help
with the chest compressions.
544
00:26:31,385 --> 00:26:32,323
To this day,
545
00:26:32,323 --> 00:26:36,893
I don't know what stopped
making that phone call.
546
00:26:38,204 --> 00:26:40,738
If I could turn everything back,
547
00:26:40,738 --> 00:26:43,866
by God, we would've been
on the phone straight away,
548
00:26:43,866 --> 00:26:44,734
you know.
549
00:26:46,462 --> 00:26:50,873
I don't understand why
I listened, you know,
550
00:26:50,873 --> 00:26:54,877
and it's my fault as
well for just not doing
551
00:26:54,877 --> 00:26:56,941
what I knew was the right thing to do.
552
00:26:56,941 --> 00:26:59,392
Picking up the phone and
ringing the ambulance.
553
00:27:03,511 --> 00:27:05,294
We were in shock.
554
00:27:05,294 --> 00:27:07,236
We didn't know what to do.
555
00:27:08,781 --> 00:27:11,206
(phone ringing)
556
00:27:11,206 --> 00:27:13,302
And then the phone rang and it was mom
557
00:27:13,302 --> 00:27:16,868
saying she was bringing
around fish and chips for tea.
558
00:27:16,868 --> 00:27:17,754
I sort of agreed.
559
00:27:19,115 --> 00:27:24,328
(phone ringing)
(somber music)
560
00:27:35,417 --> 00:27:36,286
Mom was late.
561
00:27:36,286 --> 00:27:38,559
I kept going back into the room
562
00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:40,454
seeing if Peter was coming around,
563
00:27:40,454 --> 00:27:42,143
but there was no sign of it.
564
00:27:43,457 --> 00:27:46,960
She finally turned up about nine o'clock.
565
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,524
- [Ngaire] Is everything okay?
566
00:27:49,528 --> 00:27:51,010
- Yes, mom.
567
00:27:51,010 --> 00:27:54,138
(suspenseful music)
568
00:27:58,779 --> 00:28:01,733
- [Neville] It's getting late, eh?
569
00:28:08,464 --> 00:28:09,333
- According to witness A,
570
00:28:09,333 --> 00:28:11,798
Plumley-Walker was alive and well
571
00:28:11,798 --> 00:28:14,550
after the incident in Auckland.
572
00:28:14,550 --> 00:28:17,772
So our strategy was to
demonstrate to the jury
573
00:28:17,772 --> 00:28:20,184
at trial number three
574
00:28:20,184 --> 00:28:24,341
that she had received a huge benefit
575
00:28:24,341 --> 00:28:27,782
for cooperating with the police,
576
00:28:27,782 --> 00:28:30,601
that she had made this up all along.
577
00:28:31,661 --> 00:28:33,538
- You say that the accused, Chignell,
578
00:28:33,538 --> 00:28:37,201
told you that Plumley-Walker
walked naked to the car?
579
00:28:37,201 --> 00:28:39,200
- No, no, I never said naked.
580
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,078
I said he walked to the car.
581
00:28:42,078 --> 00:28:45,581
- The jury has been told that
the deceased was bound up,
582
00:28:45,581 --> 00:28:47,489
wrapped in a blanket
and placed in the car.
583
00:28:47,489 --> 00:28:49,210
Do you understand that?
584
00:28:49,210 --> 00:28:51,994
- Yes, but I distinctly
remember Renee showing me
585
00:28:51,994 --> 00:28:54,593
how he walked, bent over.
586
00:28:56,123 --> 00:28:59,140
- This was all in mid-February 1989
587
00:28:59,140 --> 00:29:02,442
when you were under some stress in prison,
588
00:29:02,442 --> 00:29:05,466
given your situation, weren't you?
589
00:29:05,466 --> 00:29:06,818
- Yes.
590
00:29:06,818 --> 00:29:10,450
- [Stuart] You desperately
wanted to get out, didn't you?
591
00:29:10,450 --> 00:29:13,203
- Not desperately, no, I wasn't desperate.
592
00:29:13,203 --> 00:29:14,767
- You knew that your boyfriend was facing
593
00:29:14,767 --> 00:29:17,394
a very long term of imprisonment?
594
00:29:17,394 --> 00:29:19,021
- Yes.
595
00:29:19,021 --> 00:29:19,959
- So I suggest to you
596
00:29:19,959 --> 00:29:21,742
that the state of mind that you were in,
597
00:29:21,742 --> 00:29:23,619
you simply got it wrong from the outset,
598
00:29:23,619 --> 00:29:26,403
and once you'd given your
information to the police,
599
00:29:26,403 --> 00:29:28,343
you quickly realized
there was some advantage
600
00:29:28,343 --> 00:29:29,938
in you maintaining your story.
601
00:29:29,938 --> 00:29:31,440
What do you say to that?
602
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,601
- No, I never received any advantage.
603
00:29:37,227 --> 00:29:39,917
- Am I right that you gave evidence
604
00:29:39,917 --> 00:29:43,514
at Ms. Chignell's
depositions in June 1989?
605
00:29:43,514 --> 00:29:44,734
- Yes.
606
00:29:44,734 --> 00:29:47,104
- The following day you
were released on bail?
607
00:29:48,144 --> 00:29:49,012
- Yes.
608
00:29:51,428 --> 00:29:54,452
- You had twice before been
refused bail, is that correct?
609
00:29:57,122 --> 00:29:58,404
- Yes.
610
00:29:58,404 --> 00:30:00,628
- Did you know that when
you gave your evidence
611
00:30:00,628 --> 00:30:04,097
that the police would not oppose
your application this time?
612
00:30:04,097 --> 00:30:05,005
- No.
613
00:30:05,005 --> 00:30:06,819
- So you're saying your release
614
00:30:06,819 --> 00:30:08,477
the day after you gave evidence
615
00:30:08,477 --> 00:30:11,011
came as a complete surprise to you?
616
00:30:11,011 --> 00:30:11,879
- Yes.
617
00:30:14,577 --> 00:30:17,799
- Your boyfriend was sentenced
to 13 years imprisonment
618
00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:20,617
for conspiring to import in
the importation of heroin.
619
00:30:22,178 --> 00:30:25,153
You were convicted and
sentenced on the same charges.
620
00:30:28,028 --> 00:30:28,914
What did you get?
621
00:30:30,342 --> 00:30:33,536
- Three years on both counts.
622
00:30:41,979 --> 00:30:43,734
- It was about 11:30 by then.
623
00:30:45,295 --> 00:30:49,521
Neville and I sat down and
talked about what we would do.
624
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,886
We thought we had to get rid of the body
625
00:30:53,991 --> 00:30:55,402
as far away as possible.
626
00:30:56,881 --> 00:31:00,010
(suspenseful music)
627
00:31:07,831 --> 00:31:08,699
I guess the next thing I knew
628
00:31:08,699 --> 00:31:11,665
that we were in the car driving down.
629
00:31:11,665 --> 00:31:12,979
I remember a lot of crying,
630
00:31:12,979 --> 00:31:18,192
a lot of just being so overwhelmed
with the whole situation,
631
00:31:19,235 --> 00:31:22,454
just being so surreal that this was,
632
00:31:22,454 --> 00:31:27,472
was just far too much going
on to really take on board
633
00:31:28,901 --> 00:31:33,096
the enormity of the situation.
634
00:31:35,689 --> 00:31:37,910
- After you told Ms. Chignell
there were differences
635
00:31:37,910 --> 00:31:41,104
between her statement and
Mr. Dewar's job sheet,
636
00:31:42,571 --> 00:31:45,292
did she make any amendments
to her statement?
637
00:31:45,292 --> 00:31:46,578
- She added one thing.
638
00:31:47,482 --> 00:31:52,268
She said, "I tell all my
customers when they arrive
639
00:31:52,268 --> 00:31:54,583
that if I tie the knots
too tight or hit too hard,
640
00:31:54,583 --> 00:31:58,399
all they have to do is say,
"Mercy, Mistress, mercy."
641
00:31:58,399 --> 00:32:00,747
- So you're saying that
she told the deceased
642
00:32:00,747 --> 00:32:04,319
that if things were too
tight, all he had to say was
643
00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:07,127
"Mercy, Mistress, mercy,"
644
00:32:07,127 --> 00:32:08,910
and something would be done about it?
645
00:32:08,910 --> 00:32:11,464
- That's what she said,
so I feel he recorded it.
646
00:32:17,356 --> 00:32:20,953
- In your evidence you
suggested that Plumley-Walker
647
00:32:20,953 --> 00:32:26,167
was happy and out celebrating his divorce.
648
00:32:26,521 --> 00:32:27,390
- That's correct.
649
00:32:27,390 --> 00:32:29,086
- [Chris] Did you put
that up as a red herring?
650
00:32:29,086 --> 00:32:29,955
- No.
651
00:32:29,955 --> 00:32:32,777
- Where did you get the
information he was out celebrating?
652
00:32:32,777 --> 00:32:36,312
- At a briefing when I
first joined the inquiry.
653
00:32:36,312 --> 00:32:38,255
- Who gave you that information?
654
00:32:39,378 --> 00:32:41,150
- Detective Senior Sergeant Dewar.
655
00:32:43,194 --> 00:32:46,260
- Have you ever suggested
to Inspector Cooper,
656
00:32:46,260 --> 00:32:48,480
the officer in charge of the case
657
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,171
that other information you had obtained
658
00:32:51,171 --> 00:32:56,207
might be used as a red herring
to suggest drowning at Taupo?
659
00:32:56,207 --> 00:32:57,615
- Definitely not.
660
00:32:57,615 --> 00:32:59,401
- May I approach the witness, Sir?
661
00:33:00,586 --> 00:33:03,280
This is a letter to Inspector Cooper.
662
00:33:04,528 --> 00:33:06,144
Do you recognize the signature?
663
00:33:10,221 --> 00:33:11,222
- It's my signature.
664
00:33:11,222 --> 00:33:14,103
- Do you see the line
with red herring in it?
665
00:33:15,132 --> 00:33:16,001
- I do.
666
00:33:17,854 --> 00:33:18,722
- [Chris] Read it.
667
00:33:18,722 --> 00:33:19,824
- Objection, Your Honor.
668
00:33:19,824 --> 00:33:21,451
The question is not fair to the witness.
669
00:33:21,451 --> 00:33:23,988
The whole document should be read.
670
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,852
- Yes, agreed, the whole document.
671
00:33:29,052 --> 00:33:30,304
- Read the whole letter.
672
00:33:33,557 --> 00:33:36,497
- Ron, I enclose a
statement I took off a woman
673
00:33:36,497 --> 00:33:38,315
in relation to the above homicide.
674
00:33:39,907 --> 00:33:41,221
In view of recent publicity,
675
00:33:41,221 --> 00:33:42,535
she has decided to come forward
676
00:33:42,535 --> 00:33:44,067
with this gem of information.
677
00:33:44,067 --> 00:33:46,604
Does not sound as though
it has any relevance.
678
00:33:48,509 --> 00:33:50,230
At brightest, we may be able to use it
679
00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:53,765
as a red herring at any subsequent
retrial as a possibility
680
00:33:53,765 --> 00:33:56,142
it may have been Plumley-Walker
screaming for help
681
00:33:56,142 --> 00:34:00,052
from the river, some eight
hours after he was tossed over.
682
00:34:00,052 --> 00:34:01,025
Regards, Les.
683
00:34:02,023 --> 00:34:05,370
- My understanding of a
red herring, detective,
684
00:34:05,370 --> 00:34:10,031
is that perhaps you'd like to
indicate if it's yours also,
685
00:34:10,031 --> 00:34:13,534
something lays a false trail and misleads.
686
00:34:13,534 --> 00:34:16,196
- I would call it more
of a diversion, Sir, yes.
687
00:34:17,351 --> 00:34:18,320
- I'm just trying to understand
688
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:19,724
why you would want to suggest
689
00:34:19,724 --> 00:34:22,794
that a court should be
diverted or misled in a retrial
690
00:34:22,794 --> 00:34:24,455
by a red herring?
691
00:34:25,359 --> 00:34:27,145
Can you assist us with this?
692
00:34:31,234 --> 00:34:32,804
- It was a bit of a snide comment.
693
00:34:32,804 --> 00:34:35,028
One I obviously regret now.
694
00:34:35,028 --> 00:34:36,905
- Now, facetious aside.
695
00:34:38,528 --> 00:34:39,727
- Most definitely, Sir.
696
00:34:45,910 --> 00:34:48,978
- You know, police were
pillars of society, you know.
697
00:34:48,978 --> 00:34:50,540
What they said went.
698
00:34:50,540 --> 00:34:53,480
No one ever questioned what the police did
699
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,952
because, you know, their word was law.
700
00:34:55,952 --> 00:34:58,897
You never questioned their
behavior or their morals.
701
00:34:58,897 --> 00:35:00,722
And that was a mistake
702
00:35:00,722 --> 00:35:03,303
as we have discovered over the years,
703
00:35:03,303 --> 00:35:04,366
and you only need to ask
704
00:35:04,366 --> 00:35:07,154
Louise Nicholas about
that really to, you know.
705
00:35:08,527 --> 00:35:10,404
- After Ms. Chignell's comment,
706
00:35:10,404 --> 00:35:11,843
well, in that case, it's murder.
707
00:35:11,843 --> 00:35:13,633
I continued to question her and she said,
708
00:35:13,633 --> 00:35:15,127
"She lifted the deceased up
709
00:35:15,127 --> 00:35:17,647
until his feet were almost
hanging off the ground."
710
00:35:18,537 --> 00:35:21,915
She said that she knew what was happening,
711
00:35:21,915 --> 00:35:26,044
and she left the bloody
bastard hanging there.
712
00:35:26,044 --> 00:35:28,672
Now at this point, I cautioned her
713
00:35:28,672 --> 00:35:31,831
and then I asked her to
continue if she wished.
714
00:35:31,831 --> 00:35:34,303
- Did she tell you anything else?
715
00:35:34,303 --> 00:35:36,492
- She said she went
and had a cup of coffee
716
00:35:36,492 --> 00:35:37,775
in another part of the house.
717
00:35:37,775 --> 00:35:40,684
And when she came back into the B&D room,
718
00:35:40,684 --> 00:35:42,217
Plumley-Walker had turned blue.
719
00:35:42,217 --> 00:35:44,754
And she thought, you stupid bastard.
720
00:35:46,064 --> 00:35:49,693
She thought he looked funny hanging there,
721
00:35:49,693 --> 00:35:53,415
and Neville wanted to go and
get a camera and photograph.
722
00:35:53,415 --> 00:35:57,701
- Well, we had to try and
show that he was a liar
723
00:35:57,701 --> 00:36:01,739
and to use the old vernacular
that he had verbaled her.
724
00:36:02,987 --> 00:36:05,334
When I'm approaching a cross-examination,
725
00:36:05,334 --> 00:36:07,836
I go through in my mind a process
726
00:36:07,836 --> 00:36:10,780
which I call closing the gates.
727
00:36:11,746 --> 00:36:13,686
It's not an original phrase.
728
00:36:13,686 --> 00:36:18,409
So you anticipate what the
witness is going to say
729
00:36:18,409 --> 00:36:22,069
and ask all the questions
that might enable
730
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:25,228
a particular witness to
avoid a direct answer.
731
00:36:25,228 --> 00:36:29,764
And you do that without giving away
732
00:36:29,764 --> 00:36:31,923
what the crucial question is.
733
00:36:31,923 --> 00:36:34,331
And once you've decided
to close the gates,
734
00:36:34,331 --> 00:36:37,212
you then ask the crucial question.
735
00:36:43,278 --> 00:36:45,655
- When Ms. Chignell saw
your job sheet notes
736
00:36:45,655 --> 00:36:49,537
for the first time, she took
issue with it, didn't she?
737
00:36:50,441 --> 00:36:54,383
- Yes, she refused to sign in
that case, its murder remark.
738
00:36:54,383 --> 00:36:56,979
- And was Mr. Payn present
when she made these remarks?
739
00:36:56,979 --> 00:36:57,848
- Yes.
740
00:36:57,848 --> 00:36:59,826
- So what prevented him
from writing it in his book
741
00:36:59,826 --> 00:37:00,694
at the time?
742
00:37:00,694 --> 00:37:02,391
- Well, I didn't ask him to,
743
00:37:02,391 --> 00:37:03,861
and I didn't personally take notes.
744
00:37:03,861 --> 00:37:06,676
See, I find that that
impedes free discussion.
745
00:37:06,676 --> 00:37:07,834
- You have said that Ms. Chignell
746
00:37:07,834 --> 00:37:10,555
was apparently cooperative
and willing to talk to you.
747
00:37:10,555 --> 00:37:11,424
- Yes.
748
00:37:11,424 --> 00:37:14,403
- And Mr. Payn had made jottings
of less important matters
749
00:37:14,403 --> 00:37:16,436
with previous discussions with her.
750
00:37:16,436 --> 00:37:17,687
You were aware of that?
751
00:37:17,687 --> 00:37:18,719
- Yes.
752
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,535
- So I suggest to you there
was no reason that Mr. Payn
753
00:37:21,535 --> 00:37:24,819
could not have taken note of
such an important statement.
754
00:37:24,819 --> 00:37:25,688
- No.
755
00:37:25,688 --> 00:37:27,040
- I further put to you
756
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,449
that for you to create
your job sheet accurately
757
00:37:29,449 --> 00:37:32,733
without notes an hour after
the interview concluded
758
00:37:32,733 --> 00:37:34,172
is a remarkable feat in memory.
759
00:37:34,172 --> 00:37:35,205
What do you say to that?
760
00:37:35,205 --> 00:37:36,675
- Yes.
761
00:37:36,675 --> 00:37:39,177
- So do you accept there are
certain parts of your memory
762
00:37:39,177 --> 00:37:41,305
that might be in error?
763
00:37:41,305 --> 00:37:45,434
- There'd be parts, yes,
but it's only minor parts.
764
00:37:45,434 --> 00:37:49,062
- The adrenaline runs when
you're cross-examining,
765
00:37:49,062 --> 00:37:53,288
and, yes, it is an enjoyable process.
766
00:37:54,724 --> 00:37:56,320
- Detective Senior Sergeant Dewar,
767
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,947
you were determined to win
this trial from the start,
768
00:37:58,947 --> 00:37:59,816
weren't you?
769
00:37:59,816 --> 00:38:00,779
- No, no.
770
00:38:00,779 --> 00:38:03,483
We're talking about a
homicide investigation,
771
00:38:03,483 --> 00:38:05,172
not someone taking the milk money.
772
00:38:05,172 --> 00:38:06,736
- Come hell or high water.
773
00:38:06,736 --> 00:38:08,113
- Yeah, man, that's absurd.
774
00:38:08,113 --> 00:38:11,838
You get paid for results,
Mr. Harder, I don't.
775
00:38:13,055 --> 00:38:15,213
Your future and reputation
probably suggests that you should
776
00:38:15,213 --> 00:38:16,809
when, see, it makes no difference to me.
777
00:38:16,809 --> 00:38:20,218
- Counsel is suggesting
that you or the police
778
00:38:20,218 --> 00:38:22,784
have become emotionally committed
779
00:38:22,784 --> 00:38:26,224
to securing a conviction in this trial,
780
00:38:26,224 --> 00:38:31,261
which has led to over-zealousness,
misrepresentation,
781
00:38:31,261 --> 00:38:32,640
and wishful thinking.
782
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:38,455
- I had no interest in the
outcome of this trial personally.
783
00:38:38,455 --> 00:38:40,864
- How many homicide
cases have you overseen
784
00:38:40,864 --> 00:38:42,494
in the past two years?
785
00:38:44,837 --> 00:38:45,705
- Four.
786
00:38:47,527 --> 00:38:49,126
- And what were the verdicts?
787
00:38:51,687 --> 00:38:56,445
- On the murder counts of
all four it was not guilty.
788
00:38:59,789 --> 00:39:00,988
- Thank you, Mr. Dewar.
789
00:39:03,825 --> 00:39:06,765
- It was like all the baggage had gone.
790
00:39:06,765 --> 00:39:11,979
All the planted evidence had
been disposed of, had gone.
791
00:39:13,428 --> 00:39:16,306
- The former wife of cricket
umpire, Peter Plumley-Walker,
792
00:39:16,306 --> 00:39:20,341
has revealed her husband's long
history of sexual deviance.
793
00:39:20,341 --> 00:39:21,874
- [Reporter] The witness
didn't come forward
794
00:39:21,874 --> 00:39:23,063
at the first trial,
795
00:39:23,063 --> 00:39:25,826
but decided she had
something to offer this time.
796
00:39:25,826 --> 00:39:28,954
(suspenseful music)
797
00:39:34,793 --> 00:39:38,359
- You were previously married
to Peter Plumley-Walker.
798
00:39:38,359 --> 00:39:40,205
- Yes, in 1958.
799
00:39:40,205 --> 00:39:42,613
We separated in 1980.
800
00:39:42,613 --> 00:39:45,432
- What was his reaction to the separation?
801
00:39:47,712 --> 00:39:48,904
- He was very upset.
802
00:39:50,746 --> 00:39:52,748
For the next nine years,
803
00:39:52,748 --> 00:39:55,723
he tried everything to keep
us together as a family.
804
00:39:57,347 --> 00:39:58,723
His mail kept coming to our home
805
00:39:58,723 --> 00:40:00,287
right up 'til the day he died.
806
00:40:02,884 --> 00:40:05,730
- The last time you saw
Peter alive was when?
807
00:40:05,730 --> 00:40:07,297
- Straight after our divorce.
808
00:40:08,671 --> 00:40:10,443
We came out of the court together.
809
00:40:12,018 --> 00:40:13,801
He asked me if I wanted
to go for a coffee,
810
00:40:13,801 --> 00:40:15,897
but I'd said I couldn't.
811
00:40:15,897 --> 00:40:18,399
I had a friend waiting for me.
812
00:40:18,399 --> 00:40:20,714
- [Chris] What was
Peter's reaction to this
813
00:40:20,714 --> 00:40:22,031
from your observations?
814
00:40:25,218 --> 00:40:26,692
- He was very distressed.
815
00:40:29,348 --> 00:40:31,694
The most upset I've ever
seen him in my life.
816
00:40:33,883 --> 00:40:35,072
He had tears in his eyes,
817
00:40:35,072 --> 00:40:37,421
and was holding himself very tightly.
818
00:40:39,045 --> 00:40:41,203
- [Chris] Did you have
concerns about how Peter
819
00:40:41,203 --> 00:40:45,051
might react to the divorce
when it finally happened?
820
00:40:45,051 --> 00:40:48,398
- Yes, I was very concerned.
821
00:40:48,398 --> 00:40:51,557
- Were you told at some
stage by the police
822
00:40:51,557 --> 00:40:54,720
that they thought Peter
might have died in bondage?
823
00:40:57,707 --> 00:40:58,576
- Yes.
824
00:41:00,785 --> 00:41:02,467
- [Chris] What was your reaction?
825
00:41:06,322 --> 00:41:09,794
- I felt awful because of the divorce
826
00:41:09,794 --> 00:41:12,641
and because he was just so upset.
827
00:41:12,641 --> 00:41:17,854
I feel that's what I thought
that he might have just
828
00:41:18,053 --> 00:41:19,627
given in in bondage.
829
00:41:21,426 --> 00:41:22,555
I don't know.
830
00:41:25,492 --> 00:41:26,535
- Thank you.
831
00:41:28,543 --> 00:41:31,237
(somber music)
832
00:41:49,757 --> 00:41:52,625
(flames roaring)
833
00:41:55,460 --> 00:41:57,198
- [Neville] Come on.
834
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:05,638
(door closes)
835
00:42:05,638 --> 00:42:07,773
(Renee sobbing)
836
00:42:07,773 --> 00:42:09,598
- [Neville] Fuck off.
837
00:42:16,126 --> 00:42:19,254
(suspenseful music)
838
00:42:24,682 --> 00:42:29,030
- I could read when the
jurors came back in,
839
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:31,939
it was a totally different courtroom.
840
00:42:31,939 --> 00:42:36,698
The environment, it was
charged in a different way.
841
00:42:36,698 --> 00:42:39,826
(suspenseful music)
842
00:42:43,450 --> 00:42:48,083
- In relation to the accused,
Neville George Walker,
843
00:42:49,144 --> 00:42:53,151
how do you find him, guilty or not guilty?
844
00:42:54,806 --> 00:42:55,904
- [Juror] Not guilty.
845
00:43:05,347 --> 00:43:07,256
- And in relation to the accused,
846
00:43:07,256 --> 00:43:12,469
Renee Melanie Chignell, guilty
or not guilty of murder?
847
00:43:15,952 --> 00:43:17,018
- Not guilty.
848
00:43:18,003 --> 00:43:19,860
(indistinct murmuring)
849
00:43:19,860 --> 00:43:22,641
(Renee sobbing)
850
00:43:36,104 --> 00:43:36,973
Oh.
851
00:43:39,913 --> 00:43:45,127
Oh, when they read out the not guilty,
852
00:43:47,952 --> 00:43:51,021
just being so thankful, so thankful.
853
00:43:51,988 --> 00:43:55,371
- You are both free to go. (bangs gavel)
854
00:43:55,371 --> 00:43:58,366
(soft music)
855
00:43:58,366 --> 00:44:01,841
(indistinct chattering)
856
00:44:06,346 --> 00:44:07,444
- It was wonderful.
857
00:44:10,027 --> 00:44:13,134
It was just a great, just
being washed over me,
858
00:44:13,134 --> 00:44:18,347
it was just that life could
start again, you know.
859
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,415
(melodramatic music)
860
00:44:28,739 --> 00:44:31,693
(music continues)
861
00:44:39,745 --> 00:44:42,699
(music continues)
862
00:44:49,653 --> 00:44:52,607
(music continues)
863
00:44:59,893 --> 00:45:02,847
(music continues)
864
00:45:10,726 --> 00:45:13,680
(music continues)
865
00:45:20,836 --> 00:45:23,790
(music continues)
866
00:45:31,345 --> 00:45:33,952
(music fades)
867
00:45:41,676 --> 00:45:44,369
(bright music)
65844
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