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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:04:39,947 --> 00:04:41,420 Come on! 2 00:04:45,507 --> 00:04:46,500 Good pass. 3 00:04:47,993 --> 00:04:48,840 Come on! 4 00:04:49,527 --> 00:04:50,641 -Come on. -Now. 5 00:04:50,725 --> 00:04:51,660 -Go, go, go. -Coming in! 6 00:04:51,744 --> 00:04:52,720 Come on. 7 00:04:52,804 --> 00:04:54,260 Oh, girl. 8 00:04:56,833 --> 00:04:58,020 Good pass. 9 00:05:02,573 --> 00:05:04,900 Almost, Angélica. 10 00:05:24,940 --> 00:05:28,440 POLICE 11 00:05:55,933 --> 00:06:00,760 We are gathered in this trial that the Province of Tucumán carries 12 00:06:00,844 --> 00:06:03,413 against Luis Humberto Gómez, 13 00:06:03,497 --> 00:06:06,880 Eduardo José del Milagro Valdivieso Sassi, 14 00:06:06,964 --> 00:06:09,113 and Darío Luis Amín, 15 00:06:09,197 --> 00:06:14,160 for aggravated attempted homicide in real concurrence 16 00:06:14,244 --> 00:06:18,040 and illegal possession of firearms. 17 00:06:19,340 --> 00:06:22,720 Mr. Luis Humberto Gómez, please come forward. 18 00:06:22,804 --> 00:06:24,460 They are bringing you a chair. 19 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,760 -Do you have any children? -I do, three. 20 00:06:30,844 --> 00:06:32,033 How old are they? 21 00:06:32,117 --> 00:06:33,760 They are of legal age. 22 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,600 Any addictions? 23 00:06:37,684 --> 00:06:38,845 None. 24 00:06:38,929 --> 00:06:41,914 -Do you drink? -No cigarettes, no alcohol, no drugs. 25 00:06:41,998 --> 00:06:44,194 -Any other pending cases? -None. 26 00:06:44,278 --> 00:06:45,774 -Any convictions? -None. 27 00:06:45,858 --> 00:06:47,800 -No pending cases? -None. 28 00:06:47,884 --> 00:06:49,240 Very well. 29 00:06:49,820 --> 00:06:51,760 Darío Luis Amín. 30 00:06:51,844 --> 00:06:53,033 How old are you, sir? 31 00:06:53,117 --> 00:06:54,500 I'm forty-five. 32 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,226 What do you do? 33 00:06:57,310 --> 00:06:59,681 I work for the Honorable Legislature. 34 00:06:59,765 --> 00:07:00,860 Where? 35 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,100 Historical Heritage. 36 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,780 Eduardo José del Milagro Valdivieso Sassi. 37 00:07:07,507 --> 00:07:08,800 What do you do? 38 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,546 I am a retired police officer and a farmer. 39 00:07:12,630 --> 00:07:15,747 -Any pending criminal cases? -No pending cases. 40 00:07:15,831 --> 00:07:17,553 Any previous convictions? 41 00:07:17,637 --> 00:07:18,480 None. 42 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,014 It might be appropriate 43 00:07:24,098 --> 00:07:27,240 that I now clarify what the long-standing relationship is 44 00:07:27,324 --> 00:07:32,160 that I have with the two co-defendants in the case. 45 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,260 Valdivieso and I worked together in the police force. 46 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,561 Well, many here have a friend who always tags along. 47 00:07:41,645 --> 00:07:43,786 For me, that's him. 48 00:07:43,870 --> 00:07:46,754 Wherever I went, he would come. 49 00:07:46,838 --> 00:07:48,100 So, I invited him. 50 00:07:49,887 --> 00:07:52,900 I met Darío Amín about 20 years ago. 51 00:07:53,420 --> 00:07:59,220 We then developed a relationship that went beyond the personal. 52 00:07:59,773 --> 00:08:04,240 It consisted in contributing a certain amount of capital, 53 00:08:04,324 --> 00:08:07,700 to carry out a mining venture that we were developing. 54 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,840 That day we had a camera 55 00:08:10,924 --> 00:08:14,260 because we had to take pictures of what we needed to do… 56 00:08:16,126 --> 00:08:20,960 to start a mining path, and what materials we… 57 00:08:21,044 --> 00:08:23,920 To see whether we needed a bulldozer or any other thing 58 00:08:24,004 --> 00:08:27,000 to start the path again since many years had passed. 59 00:08:27,626 --> 00:08:29,081 They started taking pictures. 60 00:08:29,165 --> 00:08:32,800 I asked who these people were. I was told they were locals. 61 00:08:32,884 --> 00:08:34,640 They took photos of us. 62 00:08:34,724 --> 00:08:38,140 I asked why they were photographing the license plate and whatnot. 63 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,160 And they said 64 00:08:40,244 --> 00:08:44,240 that they were Indigenous, allegedly, and wanted to take over 65 00:08:44,324 --> 00:08:46,921 a property that supposedly belonged to Amín. 66 00:08:47,005 --> 00:08:50,673 I backed away, avoided the conflict, 67 00:08:50,757 --> 00:08:53,893 went down with Darío, and that's when they surrounded us, 68 00:08:53,977 --> 00:08:56,013 attack us, I was clearly attacked. 69 00:08:56,097 --> 00:08:58,400 I felt like death was there. 70 00:08:59,700 --> 00:09:03,960 They were never aware of the fact that I have a mother and two kids. 71 00:09:04,044 --> 00:09:06,280 They publicly called me "the murderer." 72 00:09:06,364 --> 00:09:08,240 And they labeled me as "the murderer." 73 00:09:08,324 --> 00:09:10,293 They labeled me as "the murderer." 74 00:09:10,377 --> 00:09:12,593 And I was not on trial yet. 75 00:09:12,677 --> 00:09:14,273 And I'm not a murderer either! 76 00:09:14,357 --> 00:09:15,980 I was home. 77 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,099 I am no criminal. I am a family man. 78 00:09:19,183 --> 00:09:22,020 I'm a farmer, my kids attend a religious school. 79 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:24,480 It's not as the prosecutor said. 80 00:09:24,564 --> 00:09:27,280 I'm not a crook, nor a paramilitary task force member. 81 00:09:27,364 --> 00:09:28,940 I have nothing to do with that. 82 00:09:29,024 --> 00:09:30,047 I have honorable friends, 83 00:09:30,131 --> 00:09:32,700 I cannot be accused like this. 84 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,401 The prosecutor inquires why we were armed. 85 00:09:36,485 --> 00:09:39,740 I would ask instead: "Who prohibits that I carry a gun?" 86 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,280 Us police officers do not lose our status as officers. 87 00:09:44,364 --> 00:09:48,280 I am proud to be a retired police officer. 88 00:09:48,364 --> 00:09:52,580 Thank God I had a gun, or I wouldn't be here to explain. 89 00:10:22,326 --> 00:10:23,700 It's recording now. 90 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:26,300 Hold it for me. 91 00:10:36,560 --> 00:10:37,780 Who's in charge here? 92 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:39,841 No one is in charge here. 93 00:10:39,925 --> 00:10:41,960 -No one? -No one. 94 00:10:42,044 --> 00:10:44,620 Fine, then. See you later. Take care. 95 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:56,860 Put the… 96 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,080 You need to drive down the hill. 97 00:11:10,164 --> 00:11:11,440 -No. -What? 98 00:11:11,524 --> 00:11:13,240 -I mean, you have to… -No. 99 00:11:13,324 --> 00:11:14,980 -Are you driving up? -Yeah. 100 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:24,300 Be careful with… 101 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:26,640 the ravine. 102 00:11:26,724 --> 00:11:27,841 Are you recording? 103 00:11:27,925 --> 00:11:29,401 -Their faces, I mean. -Yeah, man. 104 00:11:29,485 --> 00:11:32,500 -Point it at them, keep your cool. -I see them. 105 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:36,660 Kick the four-wheel drive in. 106 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,153 -They're taking pictures. -Yeah, let them. 107 00:11:42,237 --> 00:11:45,340 What for? No one at the court listens to them anymore. 108 00:12:04,167 --> 00:12:07,160 {\an8}POLICE 109 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,400 Today, here in this place, 110 00:13:06,484 --> 00:13:10,821 where chief Javier Chocobar was murdered nine years ago 111 00:13:10,905 --> 00:13:13,886 there will be an official re-enactment conducted by the jury. 112 00:13:13,970 --> 00:13:17,640 The Forensic Investigation Team from the Prosecutor's Office 113 00:13:17,724 --> 00:13:20,160 is handling all the technical aspects 114 00:13:20,244 --> 00:13:24,320 besides security that is handled by members of the police force… 115 00:13:30,940 --> 00:13:34,560 We were coming through here in our Land Rover, at 6 p.m. 116 00:13:34,644 --> 00:13:38,080 Darío Amín was driving, I was to his right 117 00:13:38,164 --> 00:13:39,880 and Valdivieso was in the back. 118 00:13:39,964 --> 00:13:42,720 Here, we made the first visual contact 119 00:13:42,804 --> 00:13:44,360 with these people, who were over there. 120 00:13:45,139 --> 00:13:49,880 I waved from my seat, they didn't respond, so we kept going. 121 00:13:51,847 --> 00:13:57,368 When we got here, by that post was a gate and a sign that said: 122 00:13:57,452 --> 00:14:00,026 "No Trespassing. Chuschagasta Community." 123 00:14:00,110 --> 00:14:01,001 Something like that. 124 00:14:01,085 --> 00:14:04,633 I saw in the rearview mirror people were approaching from behind. 125 00:14:04,717 --> 00:14:08,253 So when we all realize, I tell them both: 126 00:14:08,337 --> 00:14:11,560 "Don't step out of the car because they might think 127 00:14:11,644 --> 00:14:15,720 that if it's three of us, we are looking for some kind of trouble." 128 00:14:15,804 --> 00:14:18,301 So, I got out all by myself 129 00:14:18,385 --> 00:14:20,200 and went to meet them. 130 00:14:20,780 --> 00:14:24,400 I say: "Good afternoon. Who is in charge here?" 131 00:14:24,484 --> 00:14:27,400 Making these gestures. "Who is in charge here?" 132 00:14:27,484 --> 00:14:30,454 So they… Go on please, walk past me as closely as you can. 133 00:14:30,538 --> 00:14:31,932 That's it. 134 00:14:32,016 --> 00:14:35,327 So they replied: "No one is in charge, this belongs to the community." 135 00:14:35,411 --> 00:14:38,026 What did I do in response? 136 00:14:38,110 --> 00:14:39,860 "Very well, then. Good afternoon!" 137 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:44,920 And doing nothing else, we turned around and drove away. 138 00:14:45,004 --> 00:14:46,400 And that's the end of that scene. 139 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,540 Valdivieso said: "I will take a nap." 140 00:14:51,533 --> 00:14:54,040 Our intention was to make it to the mining path. 141 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,500 I suggest you stand there, I'll point that way and behind my back. 142 00:15:00,199 --> 00:15:01,041 Okay. 143 00:15:01,125 --> 00:15:04,320 When we saw that people were coming down, 144 00:15:04,404 --> 00:15:08,040 I told Darío to start recording and let me do the talking. 145 00:15:08,124 --> 00:15:10,681 And they gestured like this. You stand there. 146 00:15:10,765 --> 00:15:12,780 You can clearly see it in the video. 147 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,320 So, they forced me to turn around. 148 00:15:18,404 --> 00:15:20,801 You three, walk over there gesticulating like this. 149 00:15:20,885 --> 00:15:22,520 -This way? -Same as in the video. 150 00:15:22,604 --> 00:15:25,280 -Like this? -Yes, exactly. 151 00:15:25,364 --> 00:15:27,914 I told them: "I don't want any trouble." 152 00:15:27,998 --> 00:15:29,840 "I will report you all to the authorities." 153 00:15:29,924 --> 00:15:32,921 He then came up to me, saying: "What are you gonna do?" 154 00:15:33,005 --> 00:15:35,882 -Do it, please. -Hands outward. 155 00:15:35,966 --> 00:15:37,106 -Good. -That's it. 156 00:15:37,190 --> 00:15:40,346 So I was now seeing that he was holding a rock, 157 00:15:40,430 --> 00:15:41,840 and I was not sure about the other. 158 00:15:41,924 --> 00:15:44,300 But I couldn't let anybody grab me like this. 159 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,580 So, when he did that, I acted on instinct. 160 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,980 -I did that. -Here, take it. The gun. 161 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,460 I won't do it again. 162 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:59,687 What I did was part of my training. It's natural. 163 00:15:59,771 --> 00:16:02,480 The Argentine State trained me to do that. 164 00:16:02,564 --> 00:16:04,720 The Argentine State. 165 00:16:04,804 --> 00:16:07,481 I drew my weapon and kept it down. 166 00:16:07,565 --> 00:16:10,353 Or they would have killed me. That's what I thought. 167 00:16:10,437 --> 00:16:11,961 I kept talking to them. 168 00:16:12,045 --> 00:16:14,200 I kept talking. 169 00:16:14,284 --> 00:16:15,540 Do you believe in God? 170 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,600 Do you have any religious beliefs or any other belief 171 00:16:21,684 --> 00:16:23,100 on which you could swear? 172 00:16:24,380 --> 00:16:26,740 Do you swear to tell the truth, on your honor? 173 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:29,280 Were you able to attend school? 174 00:16:29,364 --> 00:16:31,006 PUBLIC PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE 175 00:16:31,090 --> 00:16:32,480 Mr. Cata. 176 00:16:32,564 --> 00:16:35,480 What was your relationship with Mr. Chocobar? 177 00:16:35,564 --> 00:16:38,900 He's my maternal half-brother. 178 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:40,641 Where do you live? 179 00:16:40,725 --> 00:16:45,940 In El Chorro, within the territory of the Chuschagasta Indigenous Community. 180 00:16:47,599 --> 00:16:50,580 The quarry is at the center of the territory. 181 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,200 Who are you and why do you come here? 182 00:16:56,284 --> 00:16:58,567 We are the Amín family, don't you know? 183 00:16:58,651 --> 00:17:00,280 We are the Amín family. 184 00:17:00,364 --> 00:17:02,420 You have no business here. 185 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,240 So you say, tell me who you are. 186 00:17:06,324 --> 00:17:08,560 -We are a community. -An Indigenous community. 187 00:17:08,644 --> 00:17:10,241 And we are asserting our rights, so… 188 00:17:10,325 --> 00:17:12,401 OK. Relax, calm down. 189 00:17:12,485 --> 00:17:14,881 If we talk, we might understand each other. Or maybe not. 190 00:17:14,965 --> 00:17:17,640 So I say, let's talk, and we might understand each other. 191 00:17:17,724 --> 00:17:19,720 If we don't talk, we might not. 192 00:17:19,804 --> 00:17:21,707 You know there is a court order. 193 00:17:21,791 --> 00:17:25,480 I don't mean to hurt you, but if I report what you're doing, 194 00:17:25,564 --> 00:17:26,900 we will all get in trouble. 195 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:29,720 -It's OK. -What are we doing? 196 00:17:29,804 --> 00:17:31,960 What is it that we are doing? 197 00:17:32,044 --> 00:17:33,960 -What is it? -Man. 198 00:17:34,044 --> 00:17:35,800 Stay cool, brother. 199 00:17:35,884 --> 00:17:39,160 Don't you threaten me. I'm being polite. 200 00:17:39,244 --> 00:17:40,940 Who do you think you are? 201 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:06,300 What's going on? 202 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:09,660 I will fuck you up! 203 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:23,521 No! 204 00:18:25,820 --> 00:18:27,700 Stop it, man. Stop! 205 00:18:29,607 --> 00:18:30,780 Stop it, man! 206 00:18:58,120 --> 00:18:59,620 That's Javier, see? 207 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:06,513 That's my brother. 208 00:19:06,597 --> 00:19:08,660 And this is Javier's brother. 209 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,568 That was in the city, when they were harvesting. 210 00:19:12,652 --> 00:19:14,220 Cutting sugar cane. 211 00:19:16,486 --> 00:19:20,060 What you see there is a pen. 212 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,700 This one is from when Javier was drafted. 213 00:19:29,059 --> 00:19:30,833 He served for three months. 214 00:19:31,386 --> 00:19:32,940 On account of his good behavior. 215 00:19:36,847 --> 00:19:39,100 That was the fashion back then. 216 00:19:39,633 --> 00:19:40,880 The jacket and… 217 00:19:42,773 --> 00:19:44,100 the sunglasses. 218 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,100 That's a small badge, like a button. 219 00:19:49,867 --> 00:19:51,374 The Argentine badge 220 00:19:51,458 --> 00:19:55,020 like the ones that the kids wear on their school uniforms. 221 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,140 He would carry the pen around, I don't know why. 222 00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:07,380 They used to wear jackets, suits. 223 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,060 They went on horseback. 224 00:20:12,926 --> 00:20:14,020 They went dancing. 225 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:19,340 Chacarera, zamba, gato, escondido, bailecito. 226 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,886 Those dances were frequent here. 227 00:20:22,970 --> 00:20:26,180 There are still. Chamamé, pasodoble. 228 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,120 That girl who is dancing was a member of his family. 229 00:20:31,204 --> 00:20:34,340 He was single. We were not dating yet. 230 00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:38,901 He ironed his handkerchief himself. 231 00:20:38,985 --> 00:20:42,420 With the corners out. Really tidy. 232 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,380 They used to dress up a lot back then. 233 00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:49,940 All these were taken with his camera. 234 00:20:52,293 --> 00:20:54,060 He took pictures of everything. 235 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,460 It was a white camera, I don't remember well. 236 00:21:02,206 --> 00:21:04,300 He already had it when we got married. 237 00:21:11,360 --> 00:21:13,220 There is a tree over there. 238 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,681 He would send a message calling me. 239 00:21:18,765 --> 00:21:20,294 My dad didn't know, 240 00:21:20,378 --> 00:21:24,259 he worked harvesting sugar cane, too. 241 00:21:24,343 --> 00:21:27,440 He would go cut cane with my mom. 242 00:21:27,524 --> 00:21:30,300 My brother and I stayed home. 243 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,500 He would send me letters through his sister, 244 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,140 saying he wanted to see me 245 00:21:39,693 --> 00:21:41,260 and I would go right away. 246 00:21:42,733 --> 00:21:46,654 No talking, he'd just stare at me for a little while, 247 00:21:46,738 --> 00:21:49,280 and then we would leave, we wouldn't talk much. 248 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,740 That's the day after I got married. 249 00:21:56,126 --> 00:21:57,580 I was 21. 250 00:21:58,173 --> 00:21:59,240 I wore a little suit. 251 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,560 I don't know the name of that fabric, it was light blue. 252 00:22:03,644 --> 00:22:06,100 It wasn't thin, it was rather thick. 253 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,820 And what is this one? 254 00:22:10,326 --> 00:22:12,460 That's what he looked like when we met. 255 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,713 Your dad and me. 256 00:22:21,086 --> 00:22:24,340 Javier got up every morning to go cut cane, 257 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,280 until 8 a.m., then he'd come back, 258 00:22:27,364 --> 00:22:29,880 have breakfast and go back until 12 p.m. 259 00:22:29,964 --> 00:22:33,633 And around 9 p.m., he'd already be in bed. 260 00:22:33,717 --> 00:22:36,340 And he would get up again at 2 a.m. 261 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:41,480 He would go when the moon was shining bright. 262 00:22:41,564 --> 00:22:44,520 But if there was no moon, he wouldn't go. 263 00:22:44,604 --> 00:22:46,180 He'd just go the following day. 264 00:22:49,126 --> 00:22:51,579 That's Gabriel when he was a baby. 265 00:22:51,663 --> 00:22:52,960 He was angry. 266 00:22:53,044 --> 00:22:55,200 So I laid him down 267 00:22:55,284 --> 00:22:57,300 and Javier took the photo. 268 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,020 He took photos of all the kids. 269 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,080 Women were not so much into photographs. 270 00:23:10,164 --> 00:23:11,380 Men were. 271 00:23:14,219 --> 00:23:18,680 "You've kept the best one for yourself," he used to say. 272 00:23:18,764 --> 00:23:20,180 He was a jokester. 273 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,140 He made saddles, you know? 274 00:23:25,646 --> 00:23:28,700 Headstalls, reins, all that. 275 00:23:29,260 --> 00:23:30,734 They sold well. 276 00:23:31,433 --> 00:23:32,860 The festival of… 277 00:23:32,944 --> 00:23:34,720 What was it called? 278 00:23:34,804 --> 00:23:36,680 Festival, Festival of… 279 00:23:36,764 --> 00:23:38,440 Tradition! 280 00:23:38,524 --> 00:23:39,780 We are… 281 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,860 The Hope of Chamamé! 282 00:23:43,726 --> 00:23:48,220 We come from up there where the air is pure. 283 00:23:49,093 --> 00:23:52,580 For all of you, we bring the rhythm of… 284 00:23:53,306 --> 00:23:55,340 chamamé! 285 00:23:55,424 --> 00:23:57,700 And it goes like this! 286 00:24:01,986 --> 00:24:04,540 Let's hear that sapucai, gauchos! 287 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,140 You are Delfín Cata, is that right sir? 288 00:24:14,172 --> 00:24:15,340 That's me. 289 00:24:15,866 --> 00:24:18,820 You were taking photos. What is that camera? 290 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,660 That camera belonged to a community member. 291 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:25,900 A camera that uses film. 292 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,860 See you later. Take care. 293 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,220 They're taking pictures. 294 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:34,880 You are recording, right? 295 00:24:34,964 --> 00:24:36,327 -Their faces, I mean. -Yes, man. 296 00:24:36,411 --> 00:24:39,160 -Point it at them, keep your cool. -I see them. 297 00:24:39,244 --> 00:24:41,540 Darío Amín was recording that day. 298 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,220 He had the video camera and a revolver. 299 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,600 That's Uncle Javier. 300 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:52,980 That's Andrés. 301 00:24:54,620 --> 00:24:57,280 Emilio, that's me, 302 00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,833 and the one coming down here is Beto. 303 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:01,520 Beto Cata. 304 00:25:03,260 --> 00:25:05,481 That's Nico, Adriana's son. 305 00:25:05,565 --> 00:25:08,560 That's Lucrecia, Delfín Cata's daughter. 306 00:25:09,140 --> 00:25:10,880 That's Francisca. 307 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,380 And that's Uncle Javier standing there. 308 00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:20,400 Why take photos? No one at the court listens to them anymore. 309 00:25:20,484 --> 00:25:22,920 If we talk, we might understand each other. Or maybe not. 310 00:25:23,004 --> 00:25:25,680 So I say, let's talk, and we might understand each other. 311 00:25:25,764 --> 00:25:27,700 Or we might not. You know there is a court order… 312 00:25:27,784 --> 00:25:29,326 Uncle Javier is coming from the back. 313 00:25:31,020 --> 00:25:32,500 He's coming down over there. 314 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,780 Who do you think you are? 315 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,907 We were wrestling with Gómez and I went like… 316 00:26:04,991 --> 00:26:06,100 Excuse me. 317 00:26:06,901 --> 00:26:08,179 Like this. 318 00:26:08,263 --> 00:26:09,660 So I picked up the gun 319 00:26:09,744 --> 00:26:11,013 and flung it over there. 320 00:26:11,097 --> 00:26:12,440 Where was Javier? 321 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,380 Javier was lying over there. 322 00:26:14,464 --> 00:26:16,040 And that's when he said: 323 00:26:16,124 --> 00:26:18,187 "Turk, you motherfucker. You shot me." 324 00:26:19,966 --> 00:26:21,500 This memorial wasn't here. 325 00:26:23,539 --> 00:26:25,540 Then I heard another shot. 326 00:26:25,624 --> 00:26:27,220 Gómez didn't have the gun anymore. 327 00:26:27,746 --> 00:26:30,507 And then, Gómez tried to escape 328 00:26:30,591 --> 00:26:32,447 and he fell here. 329 00:26:32,953 --> 00:26:34,800 A little farther ahead. 330 00:26:34,884 --> 00:26:36,453 There. 331 00:26:36,537 --> 00:26:39,353 That's when Gómez reached for his ankle. 332 00:26:39,953 --> 00:26:43,687 So, I pulled on his leg like this 333 00:26:43,771 --> 00:26:45,380 and I took his other gun. 334 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:47,480 Gómez was disarmed. 335 00:26:48,159 --> 00:26:49,553 I flung it far. 336 00:26:49,637 --> 00:26:50,980 Over there. 337 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,440 Please state your full name, please. 338 00:26:57,524 --> 00:26:59,180 Alberto Orlando Cata. 339 00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:01,427 How old are you? 340 00:27:01,511 --> 00:27:02,620 Twenty-two. 341 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,353 What do you do? 342 00:27:05,437 --> 00:27:06,421 I'm an athlete. 343 00:27:06,505 --> 00:27:08,462 -I can't hear you. -I'm an athlete. 344 00:27:08,546 --> 00:27:10,260 -An athlete? -Yes. 345 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,694 -Were you able to attend school? -Yes. 346 00:27:14,778 --> 00:27:17,539 -How far did you get? -High school. 347 00:27:17,623 --> 00:27:19,401 -Did you graduate? -Yes. 348 00:27:19,485 --> 00:27:22,700 I was standing here, and my uncle came this way. 349 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,520 So I saw Amín shooting from over there. 350 00:27:28,273 --> 00:27:29,840 Around here. 351 00:27:29,924 --> 00:27:32,360 -Amín was there. -Right. 352 00:27:32,444 --> 00:27:34,260 -Go on. Lead the way. -Uh-huh. 353 00:27:35,566 --> 00:27:37,026 He came from the back. 354 00:27:40,053 --> 00:27:42,800 I turned around and I saw Valdivieso coming. 355 00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:51,066 I am aware that the weapons have been seized… 356 00:27:51,150 --> 00:27:54,160 Could you please show them to the plaintiff? 357 00:27:54,244 --> 00:27:56,139 We have never seen them. 358 00:27:56,223 --> 00:27:59,241 -Of course. -If we may. 359 00:27:59,325 --> 00:28:01,447 Are they unloaded, Mr. Secretary? 360 00:28:01,531 --> 00:28:04,946 -Hold them downwards, please. -Very well. 361 00:28:05,030 --> 00:28:07,593 A Taurus .40 pistol, 362 00:28:07,677 --> 00:28:10,426 a Beretta, 9mm caliber 363 00:28:10,510 --> 00:28:12,360 and a .32 revolver. 364 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,813 I drop the gun and all I manage to do 365 00:28:19,897 --> 00:28:21,160 is run over here. 366 00:28:22,073 --> 00:28:24,040 I go look for Valdivieso. 367 00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:28,340 And then I pass out. 368 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,020 I can't remember anything else. 369 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,580 Four people, please. 370 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:39,500 Stand here. 371 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:42,580 Someone, stand here. 372 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,160 Someone behind me, please. 373 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,240 From the sides, they kicked my gut. 374 00:28:49,324 --> 00:28:52,280 The guy behind me hit my head with a stick. 375 00:28:52,364 --> 00:28:55,480 I got up and warned them they would kill me. 376 00:28:55,564 --> 00:28:58,201 I fire and shout: "Stop! Police!" 377 00:28:58,285 --> 00:29:00,721 "You're gonna kill him! Enough!" 378 00:29:00,805 --> 00:29:03,520 "I'm a police officer. What are you doing?" 379 00:29:04,100 --> 00:29:06,860 I turn around. A fat one starts strangling me. 380 00:29:07,780 --> 00:29:11,106 I thought I'd get shot from the way they were punching me. 381 00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:14,080 So I stay down, and when I get up, 382 00:29:14,660 --> 00:29:17,620 there was silence, and blood is coming over my eyes. 383 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,800 It's true that they received blows, but no gunshots. 384 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,766 We could have done the same as them, 385 00:29:29,850 --> 00:29:31,180 with the same weapons. 386 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,040 But we didn't… 387 00:29:34,124 --> 00:29:38,680 Javier received a fatal shot and lost his life. 388 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,820 Emilio got shot in the shin, which broke his leg. 389 00:29:44,772 --> 00:29:48,220 And Andrés was shot in the abdomen. 390 00:29:55,446 --> 00:29:59,760 Right when the trial began, he started feeling unwell 391 00:29:59,844 --> 00:30:03,520 and they found a tumor in his head. 392 00:30:03,604 --> 00:30:06,973 He wants to speak, some words come out right, 393 00:30:07,057 --> 00:30:12,220 but he cannot express what he feels, what he wants to say. 394 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,120 Meanwhile, we kept waiting for the trial 395 00:30:21,204 --> 00:30:23,580 against these crooks. 396 00:30:23,664 --> 00:30:24,673 Nine years. 397 00:30:24,757 --> 00:30:26,120 Yes, nine years 398 00:30:26,204 --> 00:30:28,461 until the trial finally took place. 399 00:30:28,545 --> 00:30:33,880 CHUSCHAGASTA COMMUNITY 400 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,420 Javier Chocobar! 401 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,781 Now and forever! 402 00:30:39,865 --> 00:30:41,840 WE DEMAND PROSECUTOR DEMITRI'S RESIGNATION 403 00:30:41,924 --> 00:30:44,460 See? He has a pen there too. 404 00:30:47,939 --> 00:30:49,340 In his shirt pocket. 405 00:30:51,906 --> 00:30:53,400 It was Manolo's birthday. 406 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,220 They popped the piñata. 407 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,841 This is Chanito, he was so little! 408 00:31:03,925 --> 00:31:05,660 Chanito. 409 00:31:06,252 --> 00:31:09,160 What was this old man's name? 410 00:31:09,244 --> 00:31:10,426 He was always around. 411 00:31:10,510 --> 00:31:14,500 When they branded cattle, he would play music. 412 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:16,860 He was friends with Javier. 413 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,300 Mariela, Gabriel's wife, baked the cake. 414 00:31:22,833 --> 00:31:24,260 She bakes. 415 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,540 The whole family is in that photo, everyone wanted to be in the picture. 416 00:31:31,713 --> 00:31:35,420 Javier is playing the old man's accordion. 417 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,860 I was here when they came. 418 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:48,700 Javier told me he'd walk down to the plot with the rest and come back. 419 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,820 And that's when I heard a gunshot. 420 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,580 I fell down, got up, fell down and got up… 421 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,040 They said I was rolling around and screaming. 422 00:32:05,124 --> 00:32:06,580 I don't remember anything. 423 00:32:09,527 --> 00:32:13,354 "Mama, let's go home, Dad's already dead," they said. 424 00:32:13,438 --> 00:32:15,380 I kept repeating: "No, he is not dead." 425 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,500 They couldn't take me away. I was there, holding onto him. 426 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,920 This news story begins 427 00:32:36,004 --> 00:32:39,640 with a brutal armed confrontation between two gangs 428 00:32:39,724 --> 00:32:43,520 in the town of Chuscha, in the Trancas department. 429 00:32:43,604 --> 00:32:45,880 As a consequence, a man died 430 00:32:45,964 --> 00:32:48,021 and three people were injured. 431 00:32:48,105 --> 00:32:50,260 In the afternoon… 432 00:32:57,340 --> 00:32:58,820 Why were you there? 433 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,940 We were looking after our land. 434 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:12,220 To prevent strangers from taking it. 435 00:33:14,046 --> 00:33:17,260 Since when have you been looking after the land? 436 00:33:19,786 --> 00:33:22,900 We used to live there. 437 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,200 Our ancestors, my grandfather, my great-grandfather. 438 00:33:27,284 --> 00:33:29,179 How old are you, sir? 439 00:33:29,263 --> 00:33:30,173 Forty-six. 440 00:33:30,257 --> 00:33:32,980 Have you been looking after the land for 46 years? 441 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:34,806 Even before that. 442 00:33:34,890 --> 00:33:37,780 -Counsel, the prosecutor is right. -Long before that. 443 00:33:37,864 --> 00:33:39,720 -It is not relevant. -No, it's not. 444 00:33:39,804 --> 00:33:43,967 He said he had always lived there, his grandparents, too. 445 00:33:44,051 --> 00:33:47,340 I want to know how long they have been protecting the land. 446 00:33:48,019 --> 00:33:50,400 Then ask him that specifically. 447 00:33:50,484 --> 00:33:53,280 Since when have you been gathering around 448 00:33:53,364 --> 00:33:56,500 in that area or at the gate to protect the land? 449 00:33:58,826 --> 00:34:00,440 "We did not have weapons, 450 00:34:00,524 --> 00:34:03,040 we acted peacefully from the beginning 451 00:34:03,124 --> 00:34:05,360 to prevent them from taking control." 452 00:34:05,444 --> 00:34:08,321 "But problems arose and they began to shoot." 453 00:34:08,405 --> 00:34:12,180 "We had to defend ourselves with sticks and stones." 454 00:34:20,533 --> 00:34:21,820 Truth is… 455 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,000 yes, with stones, because the truth is we… 456 00:34:26,084 --> 00:34:28,140 we didn't have any weapons. 457 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,180 Do you know me, sir? 458 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:34,540 No. 459 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:36,660 I want you to look at me. 460 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,441 Do you know the defendants? Whom you mentioned as Amín, 461 00:34:40,525 --> 00:34:43,280 the one wearing the white cap, and the gray-haired one. 462 00:34:44,986 --> 00:34:45,847 I know him. 463 00:34:45,931 --> 00:34:47,881 -Who is he? -Darío Amín. 464 00:34:47,965 --> 00:34:50,000 And in that sector to your right, 465 00:34:50,084 --> 00:34:51,700 do you know anybody? 466 00:34:54,779 --> 00:34:59,240 -The question from the defense… -That's up to our defense. 467 00:34:59,324 --> 00:35:01,414 I won't discuss my strategy with you. 468 00:35:01,498 --> 00:35:03,641 -But the question… -It won't cause any harm. 469 00:35:03,725 --> 00:35:07,380 So as not to be repetitive, do you have good eyesight? 470 00:35:08,967 --> 00:35:11,500 -Excuse me? -If you have good eyesight. 471 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,260 -Do you wear glasses? -No, I don't. I have good eyesight. 472 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:21,240 When you saw Mr. Amín, was he standing, sitting, kneeling? 473 00:35:21,324 --> 00:35:23,019 He was standing. 474 00:35:23,103 --> 00:35:24,880 And, when my uncle came by, 475 00:35:24,964 --> 00:35:28,680 he pointed the weapon at him and fired, I saw him… 476 00:35:28,764 --> 00:35:31,460 Who determined Mr. Chocobar was dead? 477 00:35:35,626 --> 00:35:39,498 You said you saw Mr. Valdivieso firing his gun. 478 00:35:39,582 --> 00:35:40,423 I did. 479 00:35:40,507 --> 00:35:43,181 -When was that? -It was… 480 00:35:43,265 --> 00:35:46,460 When in your story? 481 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:49,760 I'd say, when people were… 482 00:35:49,844 --> 00:35:51,314 Closer to the microphone. 483 00:35:51,398 --> 00:35:54,393 People were retreating, and he aimed 484 00:35:54,477 --> 00:35:58,001 towards the people who were climbing, 485 00:35:58,085 --> 00:36:00,208 to reach another path farther up. 486 00:36:00,292 --> 00:36:02,659 -He aimed towards people. -Yes. 487 00:36:02,743 --> 00:36:06,547 Do you remember the statement you gave to the police after the event? 488 00:36:06,631 --> 00:36:07,921 Excuse me, I consider 489 00:36:08,005 --> 00:36:11,540 the defense attorney's remarks are witness harassment. 490 00:36:11,624 --> 00:36:13,700 This is an oral debate! 491 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,041 And this is what oral proceedings are for. 492 00:36:17,125 --> 00:36:21,002 So that the witnesses can explain in detail, 493 00:36:21,086 --> 00:36:24,360 not to repeat verbatim what they told a computer… 494 00:36:24,444 --> 00:36:25,786 I request the floor. 495 00:36:25,870 --> 00:36:30,360 I do not intend to intimidate the witness, Your Honor. 496 00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:34,886 His previous statement was different. 497 00:36:34,970 --> 00:36:37,481 He was 13 years old, he was a minor. 498 00:36:37,565 --> 00:36:42,960 Based on what he says now, I hereby request a confrontation. 499 00:36:44,826 --> 00:36:46,853 You get me? And there was no weapon in my hand 500 00:36:46,937 --> 00:36:50,793 because you stole it from me and took it away. 501 00:36:50,877 --> 00:36:52,893 You hear me? The weapon is a pistol. 502 00:36:52,977 --> 00:36:54,941 -What's it like? -The weapon was… 503 00:36:55,025 --> 00:36:56,955 -You say you know it so well. -…a small weapon… 504 00:36:57,039 --> 00:36:59,047 You're wrong, my weapon is big! 505 00:36:59,131 --> 00:37:00,648 You're dead wrong, it's big! 506 00:37:00,732 --> 00:37:02,180 It's a big pistol! 507 00:37:03,173 --> 00:37:06,033 -Be respectful, Mr. Valdivieso. -Don't raise your voice. 508 00:37:06,117 --> 00:37:08,434 -All right. -I haven't given you the floor. 509 00:37:08,518 --> 00:37:10,681 -I apologize, Your Honor. -Be respectful. 510 00:37:10,765 --> 00:37:12,300 The weapon… 511 00:37:12,384 --> 00:37:14,181 It wasn't big, it was… 512 00:37:14,265 --> 00:37:16,634 If you know the weapon… 513 00:37:16,718 --> 00:37:19,586 I would like the Court to show the weapons and see if he recognizes… 514 00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:22,160 No, address him, not the Court. 515 00:37:22,244 --> 00:37:23,900 And when you were leaving… 516 00:37:23,984 --> 00:37:27,341 -No interruptions. -…you came back, so I found it. 517 00:37:27,425 --> 00:37:28,673 My weapon? 518 00:37:28,757 --> 00:37:30,580 -Well… -My weapon? 519 00:37:31,193 --> 00:37:32,300 Was it my weapon? 520 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,280 Why didn't you pick up another weapon? 521 00:37:35,364 --> 00:37:36,441 -Because… -Why? 522 00:37:36,525 --> 00:37:40,699 -Why would I? -So, why take my weapon? 523 00:37:40,783 --> 00:37:43,660 -Excuse me? -Why take my other weapon, then? 524 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,746 So you don't mess up again like-- 525 00:37:46,830 --> 00:37:49,100 You're saying I picked up a weapon 526 00:37:49,184 --> 00:37:50,520 and that I messed up… 527 00:37:50,604 --> 00:37:53,306 You say I presumably picked up a weapon. 528 00:37:53,390 --> 00:37:54,722 What weapon did I pick up? 529 00:37:54,806 --> 00:37:57,486 Do you think that, had I found another gun, 530 00:37:57,570 --> 00:38:01,120 I'd leave without my gun, which you stole from me? 531 00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:14,620 Why were you there? 532 00:38:15,813 --> 00:38:18,180 I asked him why he was there. 533 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:20,940 It won't do any harm, answer. 534 00:38:21,913 --> 00:38:25,060 Why were you in that place? 535 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:30,500 Do you believe in God? 536 00:38:33,486 --> 00:38:36,220 Do you swear to tell the truth, so help you God? 537 00:38:38,499 --> 00:38:40,500 You said that you got together 538 00:38:41,227 --> 00:38:43,580 in order to protect the land. 539 00:38:44,767 --> 00:38:49,980 Why did you think that someone would take over your land? 540 00:38:53,820 --> 00:38:56,520 How many families live there? 541 00:38:56,604 --> 00:38:59,201 Did you ever think of defending yourselves? 542 00:38:59,285 --> 00:39:01,540 Stick to the facts, counsel. 543 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,020 Did you know that the land belonged to Amín? 544 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,160 I'll be straightforward. 545 00:39:13,244 --> 00:39:15,820 Why were you there that day 546 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,380 instead of being home drinking mate tea or sowing the land? 547 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,840 An athlete from the town of Trancas, La Higuera! 548 00:39:28,924 --> 00:39:33,640 Coming in, athlete number 20 from La Higuera! 549 00:39:33,724 --> 00:39:36,880 Representing Trancas! 550 00:39:54,027 --> 00:39:55,093 Come on. 551 00:39:55,177 --> 00:39:56,018 Here. 552 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,920 I really liked 553 00:40:09,004 --> 00:40:12,340 doing that, taking pictures. 554 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,380 Fly away, little one. 555 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,440 When I served in the military, 556 00:40:22,524 --> 00:40:23,960 I had several photos taken. 557 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,820 I wanted to keep a record, so it wouldn't fade away. 558 00:40:42,853 --> 00:40:45,680 I had one of those cardboard cameras. 559 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,007 Nowadays, the phone helps. 560 00:40:55,091 --> 00:40:58,080 But in the community, not all of us have good phones. 561 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,900 I took these photos to keep a record 562 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,921 of the times of trouble 563 00:41:24,005 --> 00:41:27,440 that the community was going through. 564 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,920 Like when Darío Amín built that shack. 565 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,840 Chief Balderrama is showing the injunction 566 00:41:39,924 --> 00:41:42,480 asking them to leave the community 567 00:41:42,564 --> 00:41:43,980 as they were not allowed there. 568 00:41:55,586 --> 00:41:58,460 People were tired of lawsuits. 569 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:03,406 We had to defend ourselves somehow, how did we do it? 570 00:42:03,490 --> 00:42:05,400 By filing reports. 571 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:11,320 Whether they did something about it or not, 572 00:42:11,404 --> 00:42:13,420 without a report, there's no evidence. 573 00:42:16,140 --> 00:42:19,620 Realizing that you are… 574 00:42:20,793 --> 00:42:22,940 erm… 575 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,700 a descendant of our ancestors 576 00:42:27,780 --> 00:42:31,260 hasn't been easy for me. 577 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,840 But I finally did realize. 578 00:42:36,924 --> 00:42:39,081 We don't come from far away. 579 00:42:39,165 --> 00:42:41,094 We're not from Germany, 580 00:42:41,178 --> 00:42:44,780 we don't come from the U.S., we don't come from Italy. 581 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:50,380 Here, our grandparents, great-grandparents, parents… 582 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,300 and us, we were all born here, and our children are being born here. 583 00:42:57,707 --> 00:43:01,580 These are the steps to follow to build a case file. 584 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,180 You need to analyze the problem 585 00:43:06,264 --> 00:43:09,920 and see where to elevate it. 586 00:43:10,004 --> 00:43:13,406 Whether it's the local Congress, or the Prosecutor's Office 587 00:43:13,490 --> 00:43:17,801 or some other institution, like the Land Registry Office. 588 00:43:17,885 --> 00:43:21,380 Meaning, wherever the complaint needs to be addressed. 589 00:43:22,220 --> 00:43:26,560 And always better if it's signed by the entire community, 590 00:43:26,644 --> 00:43:29,120 but it doesn't end there. 591 00:43:29,204 --> 00:43:32,880 'Cause if you don't follow up, they will shelve it, 592 00:43:32,964 --> 00:43:36,640 new files come in and it gets buried 593 00:43:36,724 --> 00:43:38,980 and then nobody can find it. 594 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,280 Day after day, endless commutes. 595 00:43:46,364 --> 00:43:49,360 They'd tell us to go back the following week, month, 15 days… 596 00:43:49,444 --> 00:43:55,480 I… constantly followed up on that that file, periodically, 597 00:43:55,564 --> 00:43:58,420 in order to make progress. 598 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,300 Sometimes, also, 599 00:44:01,846 --> 00:44:05,120 you have to send them something like a chicken, a gift, 600 00:44:05,204 --> 00:44:09,181 for those at the front desk 601 00:44:09,265 --> 00:44:14,320 because they are the ones who really control the case files. 602 00:44:14,404 --> 00:44:15,720 Right. 603 00:44:15,804 --> 00:44:17,173 Sometimes they understand 604 00:44:17,257 --> 00:44:20,226 because they are workers and people like us. 605 00:44:20,310 --> 00:44:21,340 Right. 606 00:44:22,340 --> 00:44:25,140 There's another important thing. 607 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,700 When the counterparty 608 00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:32,314 asks to talk, 609 00:44:32,398 --> 00:44:35,300 that's not good for the community. 610 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,560 Yes, communication is important, 611 00:44:39,644 --> 00:44:43,066 but it's not convenient for us 612 00:44:43,150 --> 00:44:47,740 because if we agree to talk, we know we'll end up losing, 613 00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:51,120 because we'll have to concede something. 614 00:44:51,204 --> 00:44:55,166 Dialogue means giving up something. 615 00:44:55,250 --> 00:44:57,760 Which means giving up a part of the land. 616 00:46:05,832 --> 00:46:10,346 Let's give a warm welcome to our pilgrims, 617 00:46:10,430 --> 00:46:13,521 to the gaucho troop from Chuscha and La Higuera. 618 00:46:13,605 --> 00:46:16,160 They brought their figurines. 619 00:46:16,244 --> 00:46:19,246 It's a day for family, a day for faith. 620 00:46:19,330 --> 00:46:21,567 My dad was from Chasquivil. 621 00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,500 My mom was from Rodeo Grande. 622 00:46:25,453 --> 00:46:28,361 I don't know what the processions were like back then, 623 00:46:28,445 --> 00:46:30,380 the Lord of Health, all that… 624 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,727 My mom and dad met there 625 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,280 and they got married. 626 00:46:36,364 --> 00:46:38,280 Happy Day of the Virgin to everyone. 627 00:46:40,306 --> 00:46:43,000 This procession was in Anca Juli. 628 00:46:43,084 --> 00:46:45,480 I'm not sure what part exactly, 629 00:46:45,564 --> 00:46:47,460 or what saint they were carrying. 630 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,300 That's my dad 631 00:46:51,812 --> 00:46:54,460 playing the drum and probably singing. 632 00:46:55,273 --> 00:46:57,200 They must be singing coplas. 633 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,206 His grandparents were from Amaicha. 634 00:47:01,740 --> 00:47:06,020 My grandfather used to say he was the son of Indigenous peoples. 635 00:47:07,553 --> 00:47:10,934 But my grandmother, Pistán, she said she was mixed blood. 636 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,580 We are not pure, I guess. 637 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,020 This one is the oldest. 638 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,300 That's the first house they had in Anca Juli. 639 00:47:29,293 --> 00:47:32,940 It was more like a small shed, made of cane and sticks. 640 00:47:35,373 --> 00:47:37,380 My mom is holding my hand. 641 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,481 Women came and asked her 642 00:47:41,565 --> 00:47:45,280 to make them a dress, a skirt, a blouse. 643 00:47:46,506 --> 00:47:49,220 "That's how I learned to sew," my mom used to say. 644 00:47:49,746 --> 00:47:51,800 She would wash the fabric and then measure 645 00:47:51,884 --> 00:47:55,913 the shoulders, the inseam. 646 00:47:55,997 --> 00:47:57,340 All of that. 647 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,801 My mom used to assist in births. 648 00:48:02,885 --> 00:48:07,180 In emergencies, I stepped in, I helped with three. 649 00:48:09,133 --> 00:48:11,960 But I only helped them come out. 650 00:48:12,044 --> 00:48:16,280 I cut the umbilical cord, helped with the placenta, 651 00:48:16,364 --> 00:48:17,380 no more than that. 652 00:48:20,553 --> 00:48:22,140 This is Silvia. 653 00:48:22,224 --> 00:48:24,940 She wasn't their biological child. 654 00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:27,947 Her mother left her at home as a baby 655 00:48:28,031 --> 00:48:32,220 so the judge told my parents to register her as their own. 656 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,140 That's me. 657 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,340 "Chuscha" means thick hair. 658 00:48:43,326 --> 00:48:45,693 It's a word… 659 00:48:45,777 --> 00:48:47,580 an Indigenous word, I was told. 660 00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:54,580 My family always received visitors. 661 00:48:55,081 --> 00:48:59,680 The hunters would come, one would tell the other, and so on. 662 00:48:59,764 --> 00:49:02,600 They spoke well of my parents. 663 00:49:03,433 --> 00:49:09,140 They brought their photo cameras, those small, square ones. 664 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,900 They'd give them to my mom as a gift. 665 00:49:13,219 --> 00:49:14,860 And so, they made friends. 666 00:49:18,533 --> 00:49:20,180 We are six. 667 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,380 The eldest was Antonia, Braulio, Luisa, Francisco, Delfina and myself. 668 00:49:26,767 --> 00:49:30,380 Mom and Dad taught us to be articulate. 669 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:32,580 Not to just stand there in silence. 670 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,460 They used to tell us we had Indigenous heritage. 671 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,580 "The children of Indians." 672 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,240 Indigenous peoples were not liked. 673 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:54,140 It was embarrassing because it was derogative 674 00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:57,220 to call somebody "Indian." 675 00:50:02,973 --> 00:50:05,740 There were problems. My dad used to tell me that. 676 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,720 He went to trial, I remember. 677 00:50:09,804 --> 00:50:12,880 They wanted him to pay to work the land. 678 00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,820 He had to pay with labor. 679 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,260 Working for them, 680 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,220 but without compensation. 681 00:50:23,420 --> 00:50:26,741 If he refused, they would threaten, 682 00:50:26,825 --> 00:50:28,260 erm, 683 00:50:28,344 --> 00:50:30,780 to take away a year-old animal 684 00:50:31,546 --> 00:50:34,620 and give him two newborns instead. 685 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,561 So, the way I see it, it was like a scam 686 00:50:39,645 --> 00:50:43,000 because he didn't know if those newborns 687 00:50:43,084 --> 00:50:45,874 would grow up healthy, whereas he'd give the boss 688 00:50:45,958 --> 00:50:48,220 an animal that was already a year old. 689 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,460 My mom didn't like having problems with anybody. 690 00:50:56,240 --> 00:51:00,780 So she asked my dad to come and find a place to move. 691 00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:08,467 It made me very sad to leave the place where I was born, 692 00:51:08,551 --> 00:51:10,633 where I grew up, 693 00:51:10,717 --> 00:51:11,980 where I had everything. 694 00:51:13,193 --> 00:51:14,940 We packed everything up in boxes. 695 00:51:15,819 --> 00:51:18,780 There were no roads, no paths whatsoever. 696 00:51:19,433 --> 00:51:21,220 We carried all by mule. 697 00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:25,200 It took us about three or four months. 698 00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,780 The goats, the sheep, the cows, the horses. 699 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,360 We had to carry it all. Even the chickens. 700 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,920 Meanwhile, we built the house here 701 00:51:38,780 --> 00:51:43,080 cutting the adobe and the straw to make the roof. 702 00:51:43,164 --> 00:51:45,000 First a bedroom, 703 00:51:45,084 --> 00:51:47,880 then, a kitchen resembling a small hut. 704 00:51:50,060 --> 00:51:51,860 We did it together, as a family. 705 00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,260 That's how it came together. 706 00:51:59,667 --> 00:52:01,740 You know, you see these like this, 707 00:52:02,479 --> 00:52:03,780 quite weathered, 708 00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:06,473 but they are here. 709 00:52:06,557 --> 00:52:07,780 I've kept them. 710 00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,100 I don't know what will happen 711 00:52:14,873 --> 00:52:17,460 when I die, what will happen to these. 712 00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:20,860 What they'll do with them. 713 00:52:41,913 --> 00:52:43,920 That's what happened. 714 00:52:44,004 --> 00:52:48,780 There is a historian who clearly states that they disappeared in 1807. 715 00:52:49,540 --> 00:52:51,127 Let's be very clear about that. 716 00:52:51,211 --> 00:52:52,133 Great. 717 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,420 I have a blind faith in justice 718 00:52:57,773 --> 00:53:00,080 and also in the justice of God. 719 00:53:00,164 --> 00:53:01,320 I believe that my son, 720 00:53:01,404 --> 00:53:06,160 after seven years of seeing a psychiatrist… 721 00:53:06,244 --> 00:53:10,220 Both of them, actually, my grandson as well… 722 00:53:11,086 --> 00:53:16,840 It's very hard for a mother to see your son hurting and in such bad shape… 723 00:53:16,924 --> 00:53:22,706 The lands absolutely have… a deed and a title. 724 00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:25,427 They were bought at a judicial auction from the National Bank. 725 00:53:25,511 --> 00:53:27,786 They have perfect legal titles. 726 00:53:27,870 --> 00:53:31,900 That's why I was able to register as a mining entrepreneur. 727 00:53:32,953 --> 00:53:37,360 In 2006, I offered them one acre each, 728 00:53:37,444 --> 00:53:40,880 total ownership, but not as an Indigenous community, 729 00:53:40,964 --> 00:53:42,714 and they said no. 730 00:53:42,798 --> 00:53:46,360 I offered work in the quarry, they said they were on welfare. 731 00:53:46,444 --> 00:53:48,867 They received a payment of 200 pesos a month 732 00:53:48,951 --> 00:53:51,500 and in the quarry we offered 600 per week. 733 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,600 But no one wanted to work. 734 00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,754 How can anyone even imagine that if I wished to kill someone, 735 00:53:58,838 --> 00:54:01,340 I would shoot them in the leg? 736 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:07,400 It's way easier to lift the weapon six inches and hit the abdomen. 737 00:54:07,484 --> 00:54:11,260 Or nine more and hit the chest. Twelve more and hit the head. 738 00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,626 But of course: "Who is the author?" "Luis Gómez." "Why?" 739 00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:17,640 "Whatever, he's paramilitary and he's this and that," and so on. 740 00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,560 The truth will be revealed. 741 00:54:22,644 --> 00:54:24,480 We had genuine interest in going 742 00:54:24,564 --> 00:54:28,361 and I was not, in any way, a hitman, as the lawyers say. 743 00:54:28,445 --> 00:54:29,580 I have genuine interest. 744 00:54:29,664 --> 00:54:33,880 Darío Amín and myself formed an LLC before the event even took place. 745 00:54:35,240 --> 00:54:39,041 So they can't say that we went to evict them carrying weapons. 746 00:54:39,125 --> 00:54:41,820 They were living there together with us. 747 00:54:41,904 --> 00:54:44,720 Some were born and raised there, 748 00:54:44,804 --> 00:54:47,320 they are still there! 749 00:54:47,404 --> 00:54:49,020 Nobody was looking to evict them. 750 00:54:50,899 --> 00:54:53,540 Here, we are all equal under the law. 751 00:54:53,624 --> 00:54:56,660 So, the whole thing about being Indigenous, not Indigenous… 752 00:54:57,540 --> 00:54:59,160 The Vikings were Indigenous too 753 00:54:59,244 --> 00:55:02,727 and today we travel to their country, and it is the First World. 754 00:55:02,811 --> 00:55:04,120 Thank you, Your Honor. 755 00:55:29,066 --> 00:55:31,200 What did "Campo Amigo LLC" mean? 756 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,201 It was the combination of the two surnames. 757 00:55:34,285 --> 00:55:37,600 "Ami" for Amín, and "go" for Gómez. 758 00:55:37,684 --> 00:55:42,340 The purpose was to exploit that quarry. 759 00:55:43,460 --> 00:55:47,560 The video captures the entire event. 760 00:55:47,644 --> 00:55:53,440 Not only do the images capture it, but so does the audio recording. 761 00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:56,673 What was Gómez's threat? 762 00:55:56,757 --> 00:55:58,307 "I'll bring you to justice." 763 00:55:58,391 --> 00:56:02,300 Not, "I'll take a gun and shoot you." 764 00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:09,660 Gómez had been carrying a gun since 1979. 765 00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,080 He is the founder of Grupo Cero in Tucumán. 766 00:56:14,164 --> 00:56:19,080 A task force which trained abroad. 767 00:56:19,720 --> 00:56:22,520 Consequently, had Gómez intended to kill, 768 00:56:22,604 --> 00:56:24,020 he would have done so. 769 00:56:28,466 --> 00:56:29,313 What's going on? 770 00:56:29,397 --> 00:56:31,133 I will fuck you up! 771 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,160 We are trained to develop different brain hemispheres. 772 00:56:38,244 --> 00:56:39,213 What does this mean? 773 00:56:39,297 --> 00:56:43,280 I can talk, think, look, 774 00:56:43,364 --> 00:56:44,921 and analyze at the same time. 775 00:56:45,005 --> 00:56:49,153 Speech is controlled by one part, thought by another part, 776 00:56:49,237 --> 00:56:51,194 and my movements by another part. 777 00:56:51,278 --> 00:56:55,626 If I don't learn to do two or three things at the same time, 778 00:56:55,710 --> 00:56:57,380 I won't have… 779 00:56:58,700 --> 00:57:00,800 what I need to be in a special task force. 780 00:57:00,884 --> 00:57:04,960 Out of 100 people who enroll in a special forces course, 781 00:57:05,044 --> 00:57:07,287 only three to five graduate, eight at most. 782 00:57:07,371 --> 00:57:11,520 In that sense, I ask you this: couldn't Gómez have backed up, 783 00:57:11,604 --> 00:57:14,640 walking backwards without losing sight of the people coming his way? 784 00:57:14,724 --> 00:57:17,421 Couldn't he have moved away…? 785 00:57:17,505 --> 00:57:21,900 Walking backwards is impossible on the surface I see. 786 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,760 We have a technique to move backwards 787 00:57:25,844 --> 00:57:27,560 where we drag one leg. 788 00:57:28,247 --> 00:57:32,900 If I may, I'll show you our technique to avoid tripping while walking backwards. 789 00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,220 Amín decides to turn to Gómez. 790 00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,840 He sees that the legal methods are going nowhere, 791 00:57:54,924 --> 00:57:59,700 so, at some point, he resolves to do this through other means. 792 00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,160 He doesn't call an engineer or a geologist. 793 00:58:07,244 --> 00:58:10,040 No, he calls a retired police officer 794 00:58:10,124 --> 00:58:15,541 who, at 31, had been formally accused eight times of illegal coercion, 795 00:58:15,625 --> 00:58:19,502 threats, robbery, fraud, aggravated robbery on two occasions 796 00:58:19,586 --> 00:58:20,980 and of very serious injuries. 797 00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,900 Gómez brings Valdivieso along. 798 00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,720 "The operation is today at 4 p.m. 799 00:58:31,804 --> 00:58:34,606 "Don't tell Mom. I'm shaking all over, 800 00:58:34,690 --> 00:58:36,700 but I trust Luis." 801 00:58:39,546 --> 00:58:41,381 "I trust Luis, four more cops are coming." 802 00:58:41,465 --> 00:58:42,933 "Don't say a word, 803 00:58:43,017 --> 00:58:44,580 only you and I know." 804 00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:50,400 This is a text message that Amín sent to his brother. 805 00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,080 Are you friends or enemies with the parties in this trial? 806 00:58:58,164 --> 00:59:02,480 I have been a friend of the mother for 35 years. 807 00:59:02,564 --> 00:59:04,120 Of Mr. Amín's mother? 808 00:59:04,204 --> 00:59:07,040 And I've known the kids since they were little. 809 00:59:07,124 --> 00:59:10,340 Do you have any interest in the outcome of the trial? 810 00:59:11,220 --> 00:59:14,420 Only for justice to be served, nothing personal. 811 00:59:17,786 --> 00:59:23,240 Were the slabs located within Amín's claimed property? 812 00:59:23,324 --> 00:59:24,300 They were. 813 00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,960 As a land surveyor, along with my topographer, 814 00:59:29,044 --> 00:59:34,580 we took measurements and determined that the place was within the property. 815 00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,220 -Did you see those papers? -I did. 816 00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,440 There were clear legal titles for that property. 817 00:59:43,524 --> 00:59:45,620 I can attest they are the owners. 818 00:59:48,426 --> 00:59:50,020 Have you seen a house there? 819 00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,520 I know people lived further up, yes. 820 00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,520 When you say further up, how far exactly? 821 00:59:57,604 --> 00:59:59,220 I can't say. 822 01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,180 I can't say. 823 01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:05,820 An estimate. 824 01:00:07,020 --> 01:00:08,780 I have no idea. 825 01:00:08,864 --> 01:00:10,520 I haven't analyzed that. 826 01:00:10,604 --> 01:00:12,100 What do you do? 827 01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,440 -I'm a public servant. -Where? 828 01:00:16,524 --> 01:00:18,520 In the Choromoro rural community. 829 01:00:18,604 --> 01:00:24,460 Please state if you are certain of who the owners of the property are. 830 01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:26,900 The Amín family. 831 01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:31,780 How do you know that it belongs to the Amín family? 832 01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,040 I'm 47, for as long as I can remember, 833 01:00:36,124 --> 01:00:38,300 I've known the property belongs to them. 834 01:00:39,100 --> 01:00:40,820 Right, but how? 835 01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,340 Because of what people say… 836 01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,640 People say they own it. 837 01:00:50,646 --> 01:00:52,441 Is the last witness your brother? 838 01:00:52,525 --> 01:00:54,737 -A relative? -He is my brother. 839 01:00:54,817 --> 01:00:57,640 -Your brother. What do you do? -I'm a public servant. 840 01:00:57,724 --> 01:00:58,740 Where? 841 01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,380 The rural community of Anca Juli. 842 01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,960 Let me ask you, if you live there… 843 01:01:06,044 --> 01:01:08,374 You said you were born and raised there. 844 01:01:08,458 --> 01:01:11,780 Is it a choice whether to belong to the community or not? 845 01:01:13,406 --> 01:01:16,080 I've never been… 846 01:01:16,164 --> 01:01:18,860 I've never agreed to be part of the community. 847 01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:24,280 So simply living there and being born there 848 01:01:24,364 --> 01:01:26,440 doesn't make you a member. 849 01:01:26,524 --> 01:01:28,200 -I'm not a member. -You are not. 850 01:01:28,284 --> 01:01:30,220 -I'm not. -What about other people? 851 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,920 Do you understand the question? 852 01:01:34,004 --> 01:01:37,160 For example, if a child of yours is born, 853 01:01:37,244 --> 01:01:41,380 are they part or should they do something to become a member? 854 01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,606 -Of the Chuscha community where I live? -Yes. 855 01:01:45,690 --> 01:01:48,468 I'm part of the community because I live there. 856 01:01:48,552 --> 01:01:52,040 But I don't belong to the Chuschagasta Community. 857 01:01:52,124 --> 01:01:54,800 Do you need to enroll or…? 858 01:01:54,884 --> 01:01:57,480 Do you need to engage in activities? 859 01:01:57,564 --> 01:02:00,660 What do you need to do to be part of the community? 860 01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,634 Do you have to share the work and the yield? 861 01:02:03,718 --> 01:02:04,980 I don't understand. 862 01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:07,240 You are from there. 863 01:02:07,324 --> 01:02:10,880 I was never part of the Chuschagasta Indigenous Community 864 01:02:10,964 --> 01:02:13,160 as they call themselves. 865 01:02:13,244 --> 01:02:16,640 Honestly, I don't know if they are truly a community. 866 01:02:16,724 --> 01:02:18,400 I was never a part of it. 867 01:02:19,213 --> 01:02:21,700 Is it by birth or by choice? 868 01:02:22,387 --> 01:02:24,220 Do you understand what I'm asking? 869 01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:27,340 No, no, it's by… 870 01:02:27,886 --> 01:02:30,080 It's by choice. 871 01:02:30,164 --> 01:02:31,180 It's optional. 872 01:02:33,806 --> 01:02:36,213 Mrs. Chiarello. 873 01:02:36,297 --> 01:02:39,340 Silvia Chiarello. 874 01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,373 What do you do? 875 01:02:42,457 --> 01:02:46,040 I'm retired but I still work at the Anca Juli rural community 876 01:02:46,124 --> 01:02:48,640 -I keep collaborating… -Retired from what? 877 01:02:48,724 --> 01:02:50,620 The Ministry of Interior. 878 01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:54,380 Do you know the parties in the trial? 879 01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,600 Only Mr. Amín. 880 01:02:57,684 --> 01:02:59,720 Do you have a friendship, an enmity, 881 01:02:59,804 --> 01:03:03,093 or a vested interest in the outcome of the case? 882 01:03:03,177 --> 01:03:05,900 None. Absolutely none. 883 01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,160 -Madam President? -Yes? 884 01:03:08,244 --> 01:03:10,400 -Regarding the witness… -Yes. 885 01:03:10,484 --> 01:03:15,680 The complaints filed against her are still active. 886 01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:18,920 Let me repeat the question: 887 01:03:19,004 --> 01:03:21,120 -Are you a friend or enemy…? -No. 888 01:03:21,204 --> 01:03:24,320 -Do you have a stake in either party? -None. 889 01:03:24,404 --> 01:03:25,720 But I do have to say-- 890 01:03:25,804 --> 01:03:28,120 -Are you being sued by a party? -Yes. 891 01:03:28,204 --> 01:03:29,654 -That part is true. -Let's see. 892 01:03:29,738 --> 01:03:31,740 The Chuschagasta Community 893 01:03:31,824 --> 01:03:38,000 is suing my brother and me before the Federal Court. 894 01:03:38,084 --> 01:03:40,720 -What is your brother's name? -Dante Chiarello. 895 01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,334 Are you in any territorial dispute with the community? 896 01:03:44,418 --> 01:03:49,326 -Maybe a border issue… -No, none whatsoever. 897 01:03:49,410 --> 01:03:52,800 We have always lived in peace and harmony. 898 01:03:52,884 --> 01:03:57,440 Everybody knows what the limits are, where the borders are. 899 01:03:57,524 --> 01:04:01,240 They were always good, hardworking people, 900 01:04:01,324 --> 01:04:03,800 just normal folks, equals. 901 01:04:03,884 --> 01:04:05,080 We are all equal. 902 01:04:05,164 --> 01:04:08,360 So, everyone did their thing, focused on their own work. 903 01:04:08,444 --> 01:04:10,920 But fundamentally, good people. 904 01:04:11,004 --> 01:04:13,920 Yet the community filed the complaint against you? 905 01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:16,534 Saying that we weren't the rightful owners 906 01:04:16,618 --> 01:04:20,207 and that we were usurping was an euphemism. 907 01:04:20,291 --> 01:04:23,400 They called us crooks, abusers, oppressors. 908 01:04:23,484 --> 01:04:26,580 And for me personally, when I was the commissioner, 909 01:04:26,664 --> 01:04:29,100 who voted for me to win? 910 01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:31,960 Who voted for me to win? 911 01:04:32,044 --> 01:04:37,480 And I've won many times with the people's vote, 912 01:04:37,564 --> 01:04:40,873 and my elections were absolutely transparent, 913 01:04:40,957 --> 01:04:42,960 just like my life, counsel. 914 01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:54,220 Mrs. Chiarello was highly regarded by Mr. Salvador. 915 01:04:56,066 --> 01:05:01,820 He didn't know how to read, he signed with his fingerprint. 916 01:05:03,293 --> 01:05:07,300 For them, a person like that was easy to deceive. 917 01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:15,760 They befriend people, build rapport, and then begin to inquire 918 01:05:15,844 --> 01:05:18,966 about the state of the land, who owns it 919 01:05:19,050 --> 01:05:21,160 and before you know it, it's too late. 920 01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:34,667 If there is no further matter… 921 01:05:34,751 --> 01:05:36,240 Indeed, counsel. 922 01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,760 The defense was not informed at any time 923 01:05:40,844 --> 01:05:43,640 that a movie was being filmed. 924 01:05:43,724 --> 01:05:48,920 So, we are working in a kind of circus for a movie to be made. 925 01:05:49,004 --> 01:05:53,600 I think it would have been prudent for all of us to have known 926 01:05:53,684 --> 01:05:56,080 that a movie about the case was being made, 927 01:05:56,164 --> 01:05:58,040 so that this isn't regarded as a circus, 928 01:05:58,124 --> 01:06:02,161 but treated with the seriousness that this hearing deserves. 929 01:06:02,245 --> 01:06:06,800 No one in this Court or in this room gives this trial, 930 01:06:06,884 --> 01:06:10,520 which has a unique importance compared to other processes, 931 01:06:10,604 --> 01:06:13,647 the treatment or tone of a circus. 932 01:06:13,731 --> 01:06:16,120 Let me clarify that with all seriousness. 933 01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:21,980 It's inappropriate to believe that this Court behaves as such. 934 01:06:22,573 --> 01:06:26,214 This courtroom is open, as the law mandates, 935 01:06:26,298 --> 01:06:28,560 during an oral and public trial. 936 01:06:28,644 --> 01:06:30,240 It is not for us to decide 937 01:06:30,324 --> 01:06:34,080 what press we like or not in order to let them in. 938 01:06:34,164 --> 01:06:37,954 In fact, I don't know the names of the journalists, 939 01:06:38,038 --> 01:06:40,080 nor what outlets they work for. 940 01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:06,100 Never have I pondered life itself. 941 01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:13,220 I only thought about what I needed to get by. 942 01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:16,080 Not about life itself. 943 01:07:16,164 --> 01:07:17,620 Later on, I did. 944 01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:19,547 As years went by, 945 01:07:19,631 --> 01:07:25,060 I came to understand how I lived and what life had been like for me. 946 01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,446 I worked selling brooms. 947 01:07:38,530 --> 01:07:40,300 And I also shined shoes. 948 01:07:41,113 --> 01:07:44,620 If I made more than three pesos, that was good money. 949 01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:46,820 I gave it to my mother. 950 01:07:46,904 --> 01:07:48,480 And if the weekend came 951 01:07:48,564 --> 01:07:52,080 and I wanted to go to the movies, or to the circus, 952 01:07:52,164 --> 01:07:53,820 she would give me money for that. 953 01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:59,580 My favorite was the one in Ben-Hur. 954 01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:03,860 Charlton Heston. 955 01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:15,300 When I was nine or ten, I lost my mother. 956 01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:19,080 I was left like a ship without a rudder. 957 01:08:21,509 --> 01:08:23,682 In her room, 958 01:08:23,766 --> 01:08:26,940 I had dug up a hole and hidden a can. 959 01:08:27,500 --> 01:08:28,840 When I returned every afternoon, 960 01:08:28,924 --> 01:08:32,020 I would put the two or three pesos I had left over in it. 961 01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:34,740 I started saving. 962 01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:41,720 Since the trains came into the station, it was full of vendors. 963 01:08:41,804 --> 01:08:47,620 I'd sell newspapers, magazines, or even apples. 964 01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:53,280 I remember that when I turned 13, I started cutting sugar cane. 965 01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:00,240 The closure will mean the loss of land 966 01:09:00,324 --> 01:09:03,520 and the migration of thousands of people from Tucumán 967 01:09:03,604 --> 01:09:06,940 who won't be able to do anything in the province… 968 01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:13,540 I moved to Buenos Aires after the sugar mills closed in 1966. 969 01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,880 And there began my pilgrimage to find work. 970 01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:22,720 I moved to a boarding house. 971 01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:27,733 There were many old boarding houses that were inexpensive, 972 01:09:27,817 --> 01:09:30,260 but you had to share a room with five people 973 01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:35,900 who would come for work and then stay. 974 01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:41,801 I first worked with a Chilean, then with someone from Tucumán. 975 01:09:41,885 --> 01:09:45,466 "The kid knows a bit about plaster, take him along." 976 01:09:45,550 --> 01:09:47,193 "He's looking for a job." 977 01:09:47,277 --> 01:09:49,540 "Alright, be ready tomorrow." 978 01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:57,900 I made a fortune building plaster wardrobes. 979 01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:02,300 Of course, I liked making money, 980 01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,060 but I also began to like the trade. 981 01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:10,720 I didn't find it heavy going. 982 01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:17,240 I had already done harder things. 983 01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,200 That trade could lead me anywhere. 984 01:10:28,026 --> 01:10:32,320 The bigger the town, the more work I had, 985 01:10:33,633 --> 01:10:35,460 because there was more construction. 986 01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:44,380 There were these Uruguayans 987 01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:47,080 with whom I played soccer. 988 01:10:47,164 --> 01:10:51,580 I told them I was from Tucumán, so they called me "Diaguita." 989 01:10:56,267 --> 01:11:00,613 That was the first time I thought 990 01:11:00,697 --> 01:11:02,740 that I could be Indigenous. 991 01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:11,280 The problem started in 1975 992 01:11:11,364 --> 01:11:13,880 with the inflation and the price spikes. 993 01:11:13,964 --> 01:11:18,500 To get away from it, I decided to spend a month in Tucumán. 994 01:11:20,178 --> 01:11:24,260 I came on my own, as I usually did. 995 01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:29,580 Cirilo Balderrama. 996 01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:32,620 My father. 997 01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:36,313 I didn't know where he lived, or who he was. 998 01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:39,067 He sent me half a cheese wheel. 999 01:11:39,627 --> 01:11:40,914 And I took it. 1000 01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:45,180 "Go meet him, he's your family," they said. 1001 01:11:49,146 --> 01:11:53,540 I was born in Zárate Norte, right at the exit of San Pedro. 1002 01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,700 So I was familiar with the area. 1003 01:12:00,686 --> 01:12:06,186 Thanks to the directions I had, I made it to Cirilo's house. 1004 01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:11,547 It wasn't a grand ceremony, so to speak. 1005 01:12:11,631 --> 01:12:14,940 We shook hands and that was it. 1006 01:12:18,253 --> 01:12:21,300 I had come just to meet him and then leave. 1007 01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:28,000 But they mentioned some problems with Amín 1008 01:12:28,084 --> 01:12:31,700 who was charging grazing fees and taking their animals away. 1009 01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:42,140 This is the remainder of La Higuera Estate 1010 01:12:42,973 --> 01:12:47,380 which was supposedly owned by Francisco Colombres. 1011 01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:55,020 He would order: "Go put a marker on that tree, 1012 01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,613 and on that other," and so on. 1013 01:12:58,697 --> 01:13:00,153 That's how they seized it. 1014 01:13:03,253 --> 01:13:07,540 They behaved like landowners, but didn't have the deeds. 1015 01:13:13,093 --> 01:13:16,254 Part of this estate was sold over and over 1016 01:13:16,338 --> 01:13:18,540 until it landed in the hands of the Amín family. 1017 01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:24,320 We spent more than 40 years 1018 01:13:24,404 --> 01:13:28,860 filing requests and writing letters 1019 01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:35,380 to different entities asking to solve the land issues. 1020 01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:42,500 Everyone was getting lawsuits and threats, eviction attempts. 1021 01:13:43,133 --> 01:13:45,400 They took everything they could. 1022 01:13:45,484 --> 01:13:48,840 They confiscated goats, cows, horses. 1023 01:13:49,620 --> 01:13:51,860 Later, they came for the crops. 1024 01:13:51,944 --> 01:13:54,760 We started sharing the harvest. 1025 01:13:54,844 --> 01:13:58,320 They did give us materials to sow, it's true, 1026 01:13:58,404 --> 01:14:02,740 but they took advantage of people and kept the harvest, the profits. 1027 01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:10,680 Cirilo, my father, told me, 1028 01:14:10,764 --> 01:14:15,940 they had spoken many times to the Governor, Juri "the Turk," 1029 01:14:16,446 --> 01:14:20,667 who said he would expropriate the estate in favor of the people here. 1030 01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:26,573 They would not give up the land for free. Payment was required. 1031 01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,420 The land was indeed expropriated, 1032 01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:34,220 but despite that, they never handed it over. 1033 01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:42,394 I started investigating until I got the plans 1034 01:14:42,478 --> 01:14:44,780 from the Bureau of State-Owned Real Estate. 1035 01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:49,146 There, I saw that all the families 1036 01:14:49,230 --> 01:14:53,060 were located within government-owned land. 1037 01:14:53,566 --> 01:14:54,860 State-owned estate. 1038 01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:02,060 I already had a ticket to go back to Buenos Aires. 1039 01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:06,740 I could have left them on their own, said it was their problem. 1040 01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:10,180 But I felt that I was part of this. 1041 01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:12,900 So I decided to stay. 1042 01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:19,660 It's something intangible. 1043 01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:22,880 It's a feeling 1044 01:15:22,964 --> 01:15:25,340 that's been welling up inside me, I don't know when. 1045 01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:04,660 Look up. 1046 01:17:05,253 --> 01:17:08,640 That painting shows 1047 01:17:08,724 --> 01:17:12,260 when the Indigenous attempted to break into the city. 1048 01:17:12,773 --> 01:17:15,240 See how these angels 1049 01:17:15,324 --> 01:17:18,640 fought to keep the Indigenous out, 1050 01:17:18,724 --> 01:17:22,680 and they sent these beams to scare them away. 1051 01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:26,640 Tucumán was inhabited by different peoples. 1052 01:17:26,724 --> 01:17:30,840 They practiced agriculture, but war was their passion. 1053 01:17:30,924 --> 01:17:32,360 They loved fighting. 1054 01:17:32,444 --> 01:17:34,600 It is also said they were good athletes. 1055 01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:38,960 Back then, the North of Argentina was one big province 1056 01:17:39,044 --> 01:17:41,080 called Salta de Tucumán. 1057 01:17:41,164 --> 01:17:44,781 It was composed by Jujuy, Salta, Tucumán… 1058 01:17:44,865 --> 01:17:51,280 Listening to him, you realize how convinced he is 1059 01:17:51,364 --> 01:17:55,980 that even God wants to erase us for good. 1060 01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:58,920 The same God we believe in now 1061 01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:04,060 was against us, like the painting shows. 1062 01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:09,620 It's hard to make these people understand. 1063 01:18:09,704 --> 01:18:14,060 It's sad because the Argentine State was created that way. 1064 01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:18,260 Establishing that we are bad. 1065 01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:25,420 Members from other communities 1066 01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:27,020 don't believe in God. 1067 01:18:27,104 --> 01:18:30,400 -They don't… -Exactly. 1068 01:18:30,484 --> 01:18:33,020 Meaning, they have other beliefs. 1069 01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,540 José was baptized there. 1070 01:19:17,140 --> 01:19:19,641 -How far did you go in school? -Second grade. 1071 01:19:19,725 --> 01:19:22,101 -Second grade? -Javier finished third grade. 1072 01:19:22,813 --> 01:19:24,300 There were no more grades. 1073 01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:29,380 It would take us an hour, an hour and a half on foot. 1074 01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:31,140 We would walk there. 1075 01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:47,873 "What can you draw that starts with letter 'I'?" 1076 01:19:48,440 --> 01:19:49,500 "An Indian." 1077 01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:53,820 "So, draw a person. An Indian." 1078 01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:59,540 Some of us would draw it standing with the bow and arrow. 1079 01:20:00,059 --> 01:20:02,373 Others with the Argentine bola. 1080 01:20:02,457 --> 01:20:06,860 The more skilled ones would draw him riding a horse. 1081 01:20:10,433 --> 01:20:11,773 Back then, 1082 01:20:11,857 --> 01:20:16,220 my mom, my older brothers and grown-ups would handle the lawsuits. 1083 01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:19,240 People would try to evict us, 1084 01:20:19,324 --> 01:20:23,880 while at school we were being taught about who discovered America. 1085 01:20:23,964 --> 01:20:26,688 About the Santa María, La Niña and La Pinta. 1086 01:20:26,772 --> 01:20:28,980 The heroes of the Nation. 1087 01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:36,980 They never taught us that we were actually Indigenous. 1088 01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:40,660 They never taught us about our rights. 1089 01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:55,180 We were taught what the books said. 1090 01:20:56,920 --> 01:21:01,620 That this country had been inhabited by Indigenous peoples. 1091 01:21:04,306 --> 01:21:07,660 Very little was said about the fact that Indigenous peoples still inhabit it. 1092 01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:10,980 That we are still here. 1093 01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:19,700 The river has been swollen for three days. 1094 01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:24,760 The kids are sheltering at the Ñorco school. 1095 01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:28,380 They couldn't cross the river. 1096 01:21:33,313 --> 01:21:37,640 We come from a people that has been erased for years. 1097 01:21:37,724 --> 01:21:40,547 Our history has been distorted, turned upside-down. 1098 01:21:40,631 --> 01:21:44,160 They have even stripped us of our language, 1099 01:21:44,244 --> 01:21:45,880 but we do exist. 1100 01:21:45,964 --> 01:21:52,760 That teacher has made sacrifices to be able to graduate and work. 1101 01:21:52,844 --> 01:21:57,240 Sadly, he needs to teach this because that's what the job mandates. 1102 01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:03,473 It's likely that we don't teach a lot about Indigenous peoples 1103 01:22:03,557 --> 01:22:07,160 because the priority is world history. 1104 01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:11,960 We must teach the curriculum provided by the State. 1105 01:22:12,044 --> 01:22:16,540 So what they tell us to prioritize, that's what we have to teach. 1106 01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:21,660 We see nowadays that kids do finish high-school. 1107 01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:25,753 But then you see a marked depopulation. 1108 01:22:25,837 --> 01:22:31,120 And I see an inconsistency, like a contradiction, right? 1109 01:22:31,204 --> 01:22:33,000 The struggle for the land 1110 01:22:33,084 --> 01:22:35,459 and at the same time, the depopulation. 1111 01:22:35,543 --> 01:22:38,820 Why would you fight for a land that you are not going to use? 1112 01:22:47,246 --> 01:22:51,540 We Indigenous peoples do exist and we have the right to live on our land. 1113 01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:56,100 And that's how the community began. 1114 01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:03,460 First, by obtaining the legal entity. 1115 01:23:04,353 --> 01:23:06,340 Holding the actual documents, 1116 01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:09,180 and not giving up. 1117 01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:14,380 Not leaving our land. 1118 01:23:15,906 --> 01:23:17,573 Having discussions. 1119 01:23:19,480 --> 01:23:21,460 Listening to the someone's opinion. 1120 01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:23,940 And then someone else's. 1121 01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:27,500 Knowing where we all stand. 1122 01:23:29,133 --> 01:23:31,300 Because history starts here. 1123 01:23:34,873 --> 01:23:37,340 They say: "We own this land." 1124 01:23:39,060 --> 01:23:41,980 But, as I say, the paper doesn't question the pen. 1125 01:23:44,493 --> 01:23:48,060 To me, they took advantage of other people's labor. 1126 01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:52,740 That's what Cafrune says in his song. 1127 01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:57,660 Work is a good thing 1128 01:23:57,744 --> 01:23:59,900 It's life's best 1129 01:24:00,419 --> 01:24:04,920 But life is lost at work In someone else's ranch 1130 01:24:05,004 --> 01:24:10,060 Some work like thunder While others enjoy the rain 1131 01:24:10,639 --> 01:24:14,767 The rancher boasts Of gaucho ways and arrogance 1132 01:24:14,851 --> 01:24:18,920 He believes it's extravagance For his ranch hand to live a cut above 1133 01:24:19,004 --> 01:24:20,839 But the gentleman doesn't know 1134 01:24:20,923 --> 01:24:24,020 That his ranch hand is the reason His ranch endures its season 1135 01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:28,580 That's the way of the land. It belongs to those who work it. 1136 01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,540 They might say: "They are lazy, they don't work." 1137 01:24:34,139 --> 01:24:37,640 I think that those who live with us, 1138 01:24:37,724 --> 01:24:42,860 they know how we live, what we do and why we do it. 1139 01:24:44,073 --> 01:24:47,380 And those who don't live here, they don't know. 1140 01:24:50,073 --> 01:24:50,973 They don't know. 1141 01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:04,540 Come here, little one. 1142 01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:34,100 These are my sisters, Luisa and Antonia. 1143 01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:40,294 The older one got married and moved to Buenos Aires. 1144 01:25:40,378 --> 01:25:42,840 She left in 1954. 1145 01:25:44,020 --> 01:25:47,620 Her husband worked at a foundry. 1146 01:25:48,500 --> 01:25:49,880 He was a metalworker. 1147 01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,340 She worked in a sewing workshop. 1148 01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:58,860 They used to send clothes to Tucumán. 1149 01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:02,180 Stores like Casa Heredia or Gath & Chaves… 1150 01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:04,180 They don't exist anymore. 1151 01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:06,700 They were good clothes. 1152 01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:12,400 My sister Luisa was a Peronist. 1153 01:26:12,484 --> 01:26:13,900 Antonia too. 1154 01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:19,880 She complained, saying she hadn't had a breaded cutlet 1155 01:26:19,964 --> 01:26:21,420 since Perón's times. 1156 01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:28,740 "The last breaded cutlet I had was with Perón," she said. 1157 01:26:31,887 --> 01:26:35,500 I was 12 or 13 when I left, I don't remember. 1158 01:26:36,026 --> 01:26:38,060 That's when they sent me to Buenos Aires. 1159 01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:42,860 Since my sister was pregnant, I had to take care of the other baby. 1160 01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:50,020 I had to wash his diapers, his baby clothes, and bathe him. 1161 01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:54,920 But I didn't hang out or play with him. 1162 01:26:55,004 --> 01:26:56,060 I didn't like that. 1163 01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:05,160 Then, I looked for another job cleaning houses. 1164 01:27:06,019 --> 01:27:09,200 The neighborhood was Villa Urquiza, in the city of Buenos Aires. 1165 01:27:11,440 --> 01:27:17,180 I had to work in different houses for three, four, two hours and so on. 1166 01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:23,060 I was always running to catch the bus or the train. 1167 01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:26,020 But it paid well. 1168 01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:30,900 They are Clarisa and Fermina. 1169 01:27:31,700 --> 01:27:33,420 They were from Chasquivil. 1170 01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:37,120 Right after school, they moved to the city to work. 1171 01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:42,500 They didn't play, but took a photo pretending to. 1172 01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:49,420 Guillermina Olivar. 1173 01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:52,180 What a dress, right? 1174 01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:56,479 She was also raised with us in the house. 1175 01:27:56,563 --> 01:27:59,820 She became a domestic worker, I don't know what became of her. 1176 01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:03,500 That's me. 1177 01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:08,420 I might be 17 or 18, I'm not sure. 1178 01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:11,020 I was a housekeeper. 1179 01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:19,299 Those of us who lived in had Thursday afternoons off 1180 01:28:19,383 --> 01:28:21,860 to do some shopping or go out. 1181 01:28:24,396 --> 01:28:27,900 And back to work in the evening. 1182 01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:34,420 Work in the mountain is very different from the city. 1183 01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:37,920 I felt embarrassed because I didn't know how to clean well. 1184 01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:43,300 There was no flooring in rural homes. There is now! 1185 01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:45,380 But not back then. 1186 01:28:47,140 --> 01:28:51,080 The boss one day came to me and said: "Hi, María, here's your payment, 1187 01:28:51,164 --> 01:28:52,840 but you can't work here anymore." 1188 01:28:52,924 --> 01:28:54,260 I asked her why. 1189 01:28:57,040 --> 01:29:00,380 The front door was white. 1190 01:29:01,540 --> 01:29:04,140 And I didn't know it needed cleaning every day. 1191 01:29:05,480 --> 01:29:08,860 "Tell me how to do it, and I will do as you say, 1192 01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:11,393 if you want me to continue." 1193 01:29:11,477 --> 01:29:12,860 And I kept working. 1194 01:29:13,440 --> 01:29:15,680 From then on, I did as she said. 1195 01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:20,700 Francisco, my brother. 1196 01:29:21,440 --> 01:29:23,780 He also went to Buenos Aires to work. 1197 01:29:23,864 --> 01:29:26,500 In Sudamtex, a textile factory. 1198 01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:30,180 He worked there for like 15 years. 1199 01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:34,660 Now he lives in Chuscha with his family. 1200 01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:38,561 That's you, Dad. 1201 01:29:38,645 --> 01:29:39,846 Is that me? 1202 01:29:39,930 --> 01:29:41,020 Of course! 1203 01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:43,193 Yes. 1204 01:29:43,277 --> 01:29:44,400 That's me. 1205 01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:47,340 That's also me. 1206 01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:52,060 It wasn't hard to find a job. 1207 01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:56,173 Many used to leave. 1208 01:29:56,257 --> 01:29:57,560 Many young people. 1209 01:29:58,926 --> 01:30:02,120 Not only from Tucumán, but also from other provinces. 1210 01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:12,380 This man in the white shirt used to live up in the mountains. 1211 01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:16,060 He was a police officer in Buenos Aires. 1212 01:30:17,686 --> 01:30:20,380 He died a long time ago. 1213 01:30:23,859 --> 01:30:26,620 That's a friend of mine from Corrientes. 1214 01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:29,620 We became friends. 1215 01:30:36,066 --> 01:30:39,220 We celebrated together, we visited each other. 1216 01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:43,060 We were homesick. 1217 01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:57,100 -That's Aunt María. -Auntie. 1218 01:30:58,173 --> 01:31:01,520 Because we learned that it's harder on our own. 1219 01:31:01,604 --> 01:31:02,701 She looks so pretty. 1220 01:31:02,785 --> 01:31:07,920 We need each other to start building national unity… 1221 01:31:08,004 --> 01:31:09,700 I don't like Buenos Aires. 1222 01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:11,820 I don't like the weather. 1223 01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:18,600 That's my sister Delfina. 1224 01:31:18,684 --> 01:31:20,260 Nancy's mother. 1225 01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:23,680 My brother gave her that fabric. 1226 01:31:23,764 --> 01:31:27,567 I guess they must have sold him the remnants from the factory. 1227 01:31:27,651 --> 01:31:30,000 It was pink. 1228 01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:33,540 She died. 1229 01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:39,300 So I raised my son and Nancy together. 1230 01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:46,660 I bartered knitted garments for the tuition fees. 1231 01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:52,340 Young girls aren't like that now. 1232 01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:54,794 They aren't interested in crafts. 1233 01:31:54,878 --> 01:31:56,213 Can you weave? 1234 01:31:56,297 --> 01:31:58,793 -No. -What about knitting? 1235 01:31:58,877 --> 01:32:00,980 -What about you? -I can't. 1236 01:32:01,653 --> 01:32:04,321 -You both work as maids, right? -Yes. 1237 01:32:04,405 --> 01:32:06,113 But I've always been treated well. 1238 01:32:06,197 --> 01:32:08,320 -I've never had any problems. -Right. 1239 01:32:08,404 --> 01:32:09,520 Yeah. 1240 01:32:09,604 --> 01:32:12,360 Now I work in Chuscha. 1241 01:32:12,444 --> 01:32:15,020 And I come home on the weekends. 1242 01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:18,280 -Have you finished high school? -I have. 1243 01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:23,340 Grandma. 1244 01:32:26,106 --> 01:32:27,700 That's life. 1245 01:32:29,020 --> 01:32:32,899 You learn to move around in the city, working there. 1246 01:32:32,983 --> 01:32:35,926 Judges' houses, lawyers', 1247 01:32:36,010 --> 01:32:40,506 teachers', doctors' houses. 1248 01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:45,120 When I turned 18, I wanted to leave that behind 1249 01:32:45,204 --> 01:32:47,680 and work on my own. 1250 01:32:51,240 --> 01:32:56,380 I'd go to the cemetery at 5 a.m. to sell flowers. 1251 01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:00,540 On Father's Day and Mother's Day, 1252 01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:02,740 I'd sell a lot of carnations. 1253 01:33:04,286 --> 01:33:08,460 Then, I worked selling ice cream. 1254 01:33:18,879 --> 01:33:21,700 -Where's your house? -Over there. 1255 01:33:21,784 --> 01:33:24,140 -Huh? -It is over there. 1256 01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:26,601 Here's the turn, look. 1257 01:33:26,685 --> 01:33:29,273 -Oh, you're right. -That way. 1258 01:33:29,357 --> 01:33:31,920 All the way, I used to go all the way. 1259 01:33:32,004 --> 01:33:34,040 And from there, down. 1260 01:33:34,124 --> 01:33:36,100 The path to go see you. 1261 01:33:38,047 --> 01:33:39,480 All that. 1262 01:33:57,160 --> 01:34:00,440 I hope that our children and those to come 1263 01:34:00,524 --> 01:34:03,980 don't have to go through what we faced. 1264 01:34:05,027 --> 01:34:06,133 And that would be… 1265 01:34:06,217 --> 01:34:07,580 And we're all together. 1266 01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:17,520 I'm tired. 1267 01:34:18,873 --> 01:34:20,700 Let's rest up a bit. It's hot. 1268 01:34:21,966 --> 01:34:25,180 -Where should we build our house? -Over there I think. 1269 01:34:25,264 --> 01:34:27,580 Close to that one but farther up. 1270 01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:32,260 See how the grass is growing? Look. 1271 01:34:32,344 --> 01:34:34,361 -Where? -Over there, that's it. 1272 01:34:34,445 --> 01:34:36,681 -I see. It's dry. -Yes. 1273 01:34:36,765 --> 01:34:39,280 You have to dig that little edge. 1274 01:34:39,364 --> 01:34:42,320 But I was thinking of a small excavation first. 1275 01:34:42,404 --> 01:34:45,060 And from there, then… fill all that in. 1276 01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:46,820 Then we can build. 1277 01:34:47,480 --> 01:34:51,020 We should take the way up like the school kids, look. 1278 01:34:51,104 --> 01:34:52,540 From there, the plateau, 1279 01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:56,160 you can see everything, 1280 01:34:56,244 --> 01:34:58,841 when they go to school and when they leave. 1281 01:34:58,925 --> 01:35:02,300 We can build two rooms… 1282 01:35:12,940 --> 01:35:15,200 Was there phone reception? How far did it go? 1283 01:35:15,284 --> 01:35:17,860 -How far did it go? -Up to the churqui tree. 1284 01:35:18,946 --> 01:35:20,726 -Up to the churqui. -All the way there? 1285 01:35:20,810 --> 01:35:22,560 -Here too. -Here too? 1286 01:35:22,644 --> 01:35:24,800 -The whole area. -But is it good? 1287 01:35:24,884 --> 01:35:26,060 Yes, 4G. 1288 01:35:26,144 --> 01:35:28,511 -Really? -But it doesn't work very well. 1289 01:35:28,595 --> 01:35:30,132 You're out of credit. 1290 01:35:30,216 --> 01:35:33,380 -No credit? -I topped it up yesterday. 1291 01:35:34,180 --> 01:35:36,720 Remember the goats you saw over there? 1292 01:35:36,804 --> 01:35:39,334 -Whose were they? -Ovando's, they left. 1293 01:35:39,418 --> 01:35:42,840 -I think there's two still here. -Over there, look. 1294 01:35:53,333 --> 01:35:55,060 Good afternoon, everyone. 1295 01:35:56,960 --> 01:35:58,587 Can you hear me? 1296 01:35:58,671 --> 01:35:59,512 Yes. 1297 01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:01,300 Is it recording? 1298 01:36:03,353 --> 01:36:04,887 -Yes? -Take the floor, counsel. 1299 01:36:04,971 --> 01:36:06,340 Thank you very much. 1300 01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:11,400 I will try to get to the point, it's been a long day 1301 01:36:11,484 --> 01:36:14,880 and we have gone over the events multiple times. 1302 01:36:14,964 --> 01:36:19,161 At this trial we all know what happened 1303 01:36:19,245 --> 01:36:23,940 and we saw it play out in this Court. 1304 01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:28,040 We have had the chance to see people pass through 1305 01:36:28,124 --> 01:36:31,361 trying to highlight the rights of the Indigenous. 1306 01:36:31,445 --> 01:36:34,759 I greatly respect the rights they might have, 1307 01:36:34,843 --> 01:36:37,200 but in this case, the subject of debate 1308 01:36:37,284 --> 01:36:39,760 is not their right to the lands. 1309 01:36:39,844 --> 01:36:42,980 In fact, it's not proven that they own the land. 1310 01:36:44,486 --> 01:36:46,800 These people arrived peacefully, 1311 01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:52,120 and they found themselves cornered, locked in and besieged, 1312 01:36:52,204 --> 01:36:56,060 by those who now call themselves a community. 1313 01:36:57,280 --> 01:36:58,921 Who took away their weapons? 1314 01:36:59,005 --> 01:37:03,860 Was it only Superman Cata who took them all? 1315 01:37:05,480 --> 01:37:08,000 During the reconstruction, 1316 01:37:08,084 --> 01:37:11,220 he clearly states that he grabbed the weapon. 1317 01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:15,905 Delfín Cata could have easily pulled the trigger 1318 01:37:15,989 --> 01:37:18,740 that caused the death of Mr. Chocobar. 1319 01:37:23,266 --> 01:37:28,060 To paraphrase historian Carlos Páez de la Torre Jr., 1320 01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:32,720 in an article from the newspaper La Gaceta 1321 01:37:32,804 --> 01:37:37,237 this historian expresses that in 1807 1322 01:37:37,321 --> 01:37:39,480 it was officially declared 1323 01:37:39,564 --> 01:37:42,460 that the Chuschagasta Community was extinct. 1324 01:37:43,593 --> 01:37:44,940 Did I write that? 1325 01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:50,080 It's the first time that I hear that this article 1326 01:37:50,164 --> 01:37:54,313 has had an impact other than somebody reading it. 1327 01:37:54,397 --> 01:37:55,240 How remarkable! 1328 01:37:57,320 --> 01:37:59,200 I wrote it just to add some flair, 1329 01:37:59,284 --> 01:38:01,541 to depict an auction back in those days. 1330 01:38:01,625 --> 01:38:04,086 But I don't remember the moment I wrote it. 1331 01:38:04,170 --> 01:38:06,480 I write every day, imagine that. 1332 01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:12,360 If I had to research every day to write this stuff, I would die. 1333 01:38:17,193 --> 01:38:21,487 The lands were vacant, completely uninhabited. 1334 01:38:21,571 --> 01:38:22,800 And… 1335 01:38:22,884 --> 01:38:24,640 we are talking about the Chuschas, 1336 01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:29,320 as they were called Chuschas, not Chuschagasta. 1337 01:38:29,404 --> 01:38:31,913 It was a place where nothing existed. 1338 01:38:31,997 --> 01:38:35,000 This is confirmed by the Registry of the Title III 1339 01:38:35,084 --> 01:38:37,373 in the Historical Provincial Archives. 1340 01:38:37,457 --> 01:38:42,120 It's certified and included in the book written by Perilli de Colombres, 1341 01:38:42,204 --> 01:38:45,147 whom this defense tried to get to come here to explain. 1342 01:38:45,231 --> 01:38:47,607 There's not much to explain about 1343 01:38:47,691 --> 01:38:50,460 where the name Chuschagasta comes from. 1344 01:38:52,980 --> 01:38:54,640 It comes from "chuschas," 1345 01:38:54,724 --> 01:38:58,720 we say "chuschar" when we want to pull someone's hair. 1346 01:38:58,804 --> 01:39:01,540 And for the Indigenous peoples, 1347 01:39:02,120 --> 01:39:04,813 their hair was a symbol of… 1348 01:39:04,897 --> 01:39:06,720 pride. 1349 01:39:06,804 --> 01:39:09,301 So they were called the Chuschagasta, 1350 01:39:09,385 --> 01:39:13,440 which means "the people with the hair." 1351 01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:20,960 We try to follow the evolution of the lands 1352 01:39:21,044 --> 01:39:23,840 from the first owners. 1353 01:39:23,924 --> 01:39:26,600 We are talking about when the… 1354 01:39:26,684 --> 01:39:28,507 First there were Indigenous towns, 1355 01:39:28,591 --> 01:39:33,320 but later there were the Spanish owners and their descendants. 1356 01:39:33,404 --> 01:39:36,300 And we try to trace it to the present day 1357 01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:42,080 because many families still own those lands. 1358 01:39:50,347 --> 01:39:56,940 The Trancas area was populated by many Indigenous groups. 1359 01:39:59,440 --> 01:40:02,160 According to the Spanish colonial law, 1360 01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:07,620 all Indigenous peoples were to have land. 1361 01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:14,200 Jacinto Chocobar is the flag bearer! 1362 01:40:14,284 --> 01:40:17,841 The banner is carried by Daniel Mamani! 1363 01:40:17,925 --> 01:40:19,640 Perico Balderrama! 1364 01:40:19,724 --> 01:40:21,460 Julián Balderrama! 1365 01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:32,120 Trancas and Burruyacu 1366 01:40:32,204 --> 01:40:36,480 were the defense zones against the Indigenous peoples. 1367 01:40:39,006 --> 01:40:41,626 They would raid the estates, take the livestock, 1368 01:40:41,710 --> 01:40:44,140 steal women, children. 1369 01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:46,320 They were ferocious. 1370 01:40:46,404 --> 01:40:49,160 The gauchos of our motherland! 1371 01:40:49,244 --> 01:40:50,800 Of our Argentina! 1372 01:40:55,573 --> 01:41:00,580 The Indigenous peoples took part in the Independence struggles, 1373 01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:03,640 but they were somehow silenced. 1374 01:41:03,724 --> 01:41:06,260 Their voice doesn't appear again. 1375 01:41:18,300 --> 01:41:22,760 In 1808, a man, Nicolás Molina, 1376 01:41:22,844 --> 01:41:27,180 came forward demanding that the lands be sold to him. 1377 01:41:28,460 --> 01:41:33,340 He claimed that there were no more Chuschagasta Indigenous peoples. 1378 01:41:34,520 --> 01:41:39,780 That the lands were in the hands of tramps and bandits. 1379 01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:46,840 So he ordered to call the Chuschagasta to see if there were any left. 1380 01:41:47,340 --> 01:41:49,780 But none came forward. 1381 01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:55,960 According to this file, no representative did. 1382 01:42:02,360 --> 01:42:04,280 We are a republic. 1383 01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:08,234 And since the moment we became a republic 1384 01:42:08,318 --> 01:42:11,001 the territories were delimited and marked. 1385 01:42:11,085 --> 01:42:12,833 We have a Land Registry, 1386 01:42:12,917 --> 01:42:15,966 so we must respect the institutions 1387 01:42:16,050 --> 01:42:18,760 and respect the records created. 1388 01:42:21,560 --> 01:42:24,094 When the period of independence began, 1389 01:42:24,178 --> 01:42:27,280 the Indigenous towns became somewhat displaced 1390 01:42:27,364 --> 01:42:29,520 because individual property started being consolidated. 1391 01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:35,960 You see deed papers and… 1392 01:42:36,044 --> 01:42:40,900 well, you think they legitimize the owner. 1393 01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:45,360 The Indigenous peoples didn't have them. 1394 01:42:47,373 --> 01:42:53,020 In that sense, the communities were not protected by the documents. 1395 01:42:55,200 --> 01:42:57,720 That's what piques my interest. 1396 01:42:57,804 --> 01:43:00,180 The existence of the documents. 1397 01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:02,693 All those studies on the Indigenous peoples 1398 01:43:02,777 --> 01:43:04,800 seem like fantasy to me. 1399 01:43:04,884 --> 01:43:06,334 And on the Indigenous language. 1400 01:43:06,418 --> 01:43:09,987 "Turns out this word is Kakán, there's a Kakán lexicon…" 1401 01:43:10,071 --> 01:43:12,280 That depresses me greatly. 1402 01:43:15,173 --> 01:43:18,960 For a long time, nobody talked about Indigenous communities. 1403 01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:24,300 And suddenly, they surfaced. 1404 01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:28,780 Now they are all demanding land, 1405 01:43:29,440 --> 01:43:32,333 quite violently, in some cases. 1406 01:43:32,833 --> 01:43:35,021 There are now some problems with the Chuschagasta, 1407 01:43:35,105 --> 01:43:36,980 the chief who was killed… 1408 01:43:42,160 --> 01:43:49,100 How could they prove their Indigenous community identity? 1409 01:43:50,660 --> 01:43:53,080 They no longer speak the language, 1410 01:43:53,164 --> 01:43:57,660 they don't have distinctive traits. 1411 01:43:59,100 --> 01:44:01,160 But we have to think 1412 01:44:01,244 --> 01:44:03,880 that even Indigenous peoples couldn't keep their name. 1413 01:44:03,964 --> 01:44:06,000 Let that sink in. 1414 01:44:08,360 --> 01:44:09,740 One must write the truth. 1415 01:44:11,886 --> 01:44:12,973 So to speak. 1416 01:44:13,479 --> 01:44:14,980 What is the truth? 1417 01:44:17,146 --> 01:44:21,160 In the film The Devil's Disciple, with Laurence Olivier, 1418 01:44:21,244 --> 01:44:24,813 at the end, they say: "What will history say, General?" 1419 01:44:24,897 --> 01:44:29,260 So Laurence Olivier turns and says: "History will lie, as it always has." 1420 01:44:36,720 --> 01:44:40,540 Cirilo, my father, told me there was a peach tree there. 1421 01:44:41,213 --> 01:44:43,620 My grandfather was born there. 1422 01:44:44,733 --> 01:44:49,107 They were farmhands who worked gathering the livestock, 1423 01:44:49,191 --> 01:44:55,093 either for sale, for branding, to milk, to make cheese. 1424 01:44:55,177 --> 01:44:57,554 There, the gang of laborers, as they were labeled, 1425 01:44:57,638 --> 01:44:59,380 did all the work. 1426 01:45:00,986 --> 01:45:02,380 They were Indigenous, 1427 01:45:03,133 --> 01:45:06,687 but their name was changed. 1428 01:45:06,771 --> 01:45:08,260 They called them "gang of laborers." 1429 01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:11,220 Then they called them "gauchos." 1430 01:45:13,553 --> 01:45:15,447 Everyone who wants a piece of the land 1431 01:45:15,531 --> 01:45:18,300 says that the Indigenous peoples have all disappeared. 1432 01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:22,900 That they have all gone, the Chuschagastas too. 1433 01:45:24,446 --> 01:45:27,327 They represented an obstacle 1434 01:45:27,411 --> 01:45:30,100 to them seizing the land, as always. 1435 01:45:56,040 --> 01:45:57,380 Your Honor, 1436 01:45:58,313 --> 01:45:59,380 can you hear me? 1437 01:46:02,520 --> 01:46:06,340 It's been 350 years since the Chuschas have been here. 1438 01:46:07,767 --> 01:46:09,880 After the Calchaquí Wars, 1439 01:46:09,964 --> 01:46:13,220 they were forced by the king to come to this valley 1440 01:46:14,293 --> 01:46:16,700 just like the Tolombón and the Colalao. 1441 01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:21,120 They were registered as "Chuchingasta," 1442 01:46:21,204 --> 01:46:22,680 "Chachagasta," 1443 01:46:22,764 --> 01:46:24,160 "Chuchagasti," 1444 01:46:24,244 --> 01:46:25,680 "Chugasta," 1445 01:46:25,764 --> 01:46:27,080 "Chuscas," 1446 01:46:27,164 --> 01:46:28,260 "Chujcha." 1447 01:46:29,080 --> 01:46:30,660 Or sometimes just "Indians." 1448 01:46:33,480 --> 01:46:36,353 They raised oxen to replace cart animals 1449 01:46:36,859 --> 01:46:39,740 and livestock to feed caravaners. 1450 01:46:41,560 --> 01:46:45,860 Where Route 9 now runs, the Royal Road once passed. 1451 01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:50,420 Along that road, carts traveled to the silver mines of Potosí. 1452 01:46:55,160 --> 01:46:59,500 It has been said that the Chuschas became extinct in 1807, 1453 01:47:00,440 --> 01:47:04,940 but in 1807 the Chuschas were paying rent to a certain Alurralde. 1454 01:47:06,199 --> 01:47:08,660 They were charged without the king's permission. 1455 01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:13,700 The Cabildo removed the Alurralde family from there. 1456 01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:17,880 Their descendants, whose last name was Colombres, 1457 01:47:17,964 --> 01:47:19,867 had been collecting documents: 1458 01:47:19,951 --> 01:47:23,860 testaments, land surveys, land sales within families. 1459 01:47:24,920 --> 01:47:26,360 They made a clever move. 1460 01:47:26,444 --> 01:47:30,300 They claimed that an Alurralde had bequeathed the estate to them. 1461 01:47:31,320 --> 01:47:33,660 They called it La Higuera Estate. 1462 01:47:34,713 --> 01:47:37,660 And they kept charging the Chuschas. 1463 01:47:40,540 --> 01:47:43,721 Records show cooks, laundresses, farmhands worked there 1464 01:47:43,805 --> 01:47:49,780 under the surnames Balderrama, Mamani, Cata, Vargas, Pistán, Chocobar. 1465 01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:52,780 No longer registered as "Chuschas." 1466 01:47:57,160 --> 01:48:00,780 The Colombres family sold part of that land. 1467 01:48:01,406 --> 01:48:05,100 That's what the Amín family got in 1959. 1468 01:48:07,446 --> 01:48:10,607 The Chuschas wrote to the Government of Tucumán 1469 01:48:10,691 --> 01:48:13,267 to have their land situation reviewed. 1470 01:48:16,200 --> 01:48:19,313 This alerted the Colombres. 1471 01:48:19,397 --> 01:48:21,220 They needed a document. 1472 01:48:23,272 --> 01:48:26,260 What did the Colombres show as evidence in court? 1473 01:48:28,120 --> 01:48:31,667 The rent receipts they collected from the Chuschas, Your Honor. 1474 01:48:33,560 --> 01:48:36,500 Behold, the history of property in this valley. 1475 01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:42,540 Governor Juri expropriated the Colombres. 1476 01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:46,420 It seems like good news for the Chuscha families. 1477 01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:48,460 But you'll see. 1478 01:48:51,320 --> 01:48:55,700 Colombres received a hefty payout for the expropriation. 1479 01:48:56,840 --> 01:49:02,340 Amín and a neighbor, Critto, move forward on the expropriated land. 1480 01:49:04,900 --> 01:49:09,786 A certain Araujo, public servant Chiarello and her brother Dante 1481 01:49:09,870 --> 01:49:13,820 claimed they own the lands of community member Salvador Cata. 1482 01:49:17,840 --> 01:49:22,740 Which national institution cares about the legitimacy of property? 1483 01:49:27,380 --> 01:49:29,900 Some things are simply shameful, Your Honor. 1484 01:49:30,793 --> 01:49:34,480 The accused and their main witnesses, 1485 01:49:34,564 --> 01:49:37,840 and all the alleged owners of this territory 1486 01:49:37,924 --> 01:49:41,900 hold or have held positions in the Government of Tucumán. 1487 01:49:42,720 --> 01:49:44,340 Except for the Chuschas. 1488 01:49:46,080 --> 01:49:49,160 The Chuschas have spent years doing paperwork, 1489 01:49:49,244 --> 01:49:53,627 writing letters, waiting in hallways, in front desks, 1490 01:49:53,711 --> 01:49:56,980 respecting the country's institutions like no other. 1491 01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:03,001 The Republic has shown greater respect for the colonial records 1492 01:50:03,085 --> 01:50:04,900 than for Argentine citizens. 1493 01:50:10,120 --> 01:50:12,020 Do you believe in God, Your Honor? 1494 01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:16,660 Is God seeing all of this? 1495 01:50:24,360 --> 01:50:25,620 Don't be afraid. 1496 01:50:26,440 --> 01:50:29,180 Don't be upset, nothing bad will happen to you. 1497 01:50:31,360 --> 01:50:32,660 Don't be afraid. 1498 01:50:33,160 --> 01:50:36,114 Don't be afraid. Nothing bad will happen to you. 1499 01:50:36,198 --> 01:50:37,454 You are with your mommy. 1500 01:50:41,120 --> 01:50:46,380 The movie depicted Christian characters, 1501 01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:51,540 and they suffered under the rule of the Roman Empire. 1502 01:50:52,487 --> 01:50:55,700 -Ben-Hur? -Ben-Hur, yes. 1503 01:50:57,720 --> 01:51:00,279 If we bring that to the present day, 1504 01:51:00,363 --> 01:51:02,586 the members of our communities 1505 01:51:02,670 --> 01:51:05,340 have endured a similar fate. 1506 01:51:06,920 --> 01:51:11,240 The life of a mule was worth more than a human's 1507 01:51:11,880 --> 01:51:14,180 because they had to pay for the mule. 1508 01:51:17,960 --> 01:51:21,860 The movie showed the true colors of the empire. 1509 01:51:23,480 --> 01:51:28,500 Many empires have fallen, and other empires are rising. 1510 01:51:32,526 --> 01:51:36,140 That is the core meaning of the movie. 1511 01:51:37,880 --> 01:51:42,340 It awoke this feeling in me in relation to us. 1512 01:51:47,706 --> 01:51:50,860 I own all those colors. 1513 01:51:52,800 --> 01:51:53,980 Don't be afraid. 1514 01:51:54,666 --> 01:51:57,420 I love them all. All of them. 1515 01:51:59,753 --> 01:52:01,013 Don't be afraid. 1516 01:52:01,660 --> 01:52:02,940 You are with mommy. 1517 01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:25,580 Present! 1518 01:52:26,227 --> 01:52:28,480 -Javier Chocobar! -Is present! 1519 01:53:19,800 --> 01:53:23,560 EMERGENCY EXIT 1520 01:53:27,227 --> 01:53:30,340 By unanimous vote, the Court rules 1521 01:53:30,920 --> 01:53:33,400 to condemn Darío Luis Amín 1522 01:53:33,484 --> 01:53:35,920 for considering him the principal author 1523 01:53:36,004 --> 01:53:39,760 of the crime of aggravated homicide by the use of a firearm, 1524 01:53:39,844 --> 01:53:43,720 sentencing him to serve 22 years in prison. 1525 01:53:43,804 --> 01:53:46,234 To sentence Luis Humberto Gómez, 1526 01:53:46,318 --> 01:53:49,640 secondary participant, to serve 18 years. 1527 01:53:50,726 --> 01:53:54,960 To sentence Eduardo José del Milagro Valdivieso Sassi 1528 01:53:55,044 --> 01:53:56,660 to serve ten years in prison. 1529 01:53:57,260 --> 01:53:58,880 INFANTRY 1530 01:54:09,480 --> 01:54:13,347 Never give up on the people's fight! 1531 01:54:16,852 --> 01:54:18,560 Javier Chocobar! 1532 01:54:18,644 --> 01:54:22,560 -Justice for Javier Chocobar! -Justice! 1533 01:54:22,644 --> 01:54:26,140 -Javier Chocobar! -Present! 1534 01:54:26,224 --> 01:54:28,360 -Javier Chocobar! -Present! 1535 01:54:28,444 --> 01:54:30,721 -Javier Chocobar! -Present! 1536 01:54:30,805 --> 01:54:33,500 -Now! -And forever! 1537 01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:17,420 Cinema? I think I have never been to one. 1538 01:55:21,640 --> 01:55:28,340 I've listened to the radio, but only since 1963 or 1964. 1539 01:55:32,019 --> 01:55:34,439 And I only just started watching TV recently. 1540 01:55:35,706 --> 01:55:37,540 A few years ago. 1541 01:55:53,640 --> 01:55:58,780 Surely our generations will keep fighting with the hope 1542 01:55:59,360 --> 01:56:05,020 that many people are working for the good of humanity. 1543 01:56:06,320 --> 01:56:10,260 This world would be so beautiful 1544 01:56:10,344 --> 01:56:12,860 if all of us could see 1545 01:56:13,406 --> 01:56:17,340 the wonder that we are as human beings. 1546 01:56:18,680 --> 01:56:23,260 When we sing, when we smile, when we make music, 1547 01:56:24,040 --> 01:56:30,700 when we look into the eyes of each wonderful person. 1548 01:56:32,800 --> 01:56:36,940 But it's so sad when someone ravages, kills, destroys. 1549 01:56:37,793 --> 01:56:41,253 I believe that if they found another planet in the universe 1550 01:56:41,337 --> 01:56:42,940 they would also tear it apart. 1551 01:56:55,440 --> 01:56:58,400 The convicts appealed the verdict. 1552 01:56:58,484 --> 01:57:02,960 Two years later, in 2020, they were released. 1553 01:57:04,360 --> 01:57:10,520 Darío Amín passed away in 2021 due to COVID-19. 1554 01:57:11,660 --> 01:57:14,800 In 2025, the sentence was upheld. 1555 01:57:14,884 --> 01:57:20,280 Luis Humberto Gómez and Eduardo Valdivieso returned to prison. 1556 01:57:21,400 --> 01:57:24,360 The Chuschagasta Indigenous Community 1557 01:57:24,444 --> 01:57:28,173 continues to demand the restitution of their territory 1558 01:57:28,257 --> 01:57:29,794 from the Argentine State 1559 01:57:29,878 --> 01:57:34,720 and keeps the memory of Javier Chocobar alive. 1560 01:59:18,000 --> 01:59:20,680 Dedicated to the Chuschagasta Indigenous Community 1561 01:59:20,764 --> 01:59:23,207 and their current appointed leader, Azucena Cata, 1562 01:59:23,291 --> 01:59:26,440 without whom this film would not have been possible. 115991

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