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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,798 --> 00:00:08,798 [radio chatter] 2 00:00:11,636 --> 00:00:14,966 [man] You have something to tell me that you're hiding from me. 3 00:00:15,056 --> 00:00:15,886 [woman] Okay. 4 00:00:15,974 --> 00:00:18,604 [man] And it's upsetting me because you're... 5 00:00:19,394 --> 00:00:21,484 a beautiful girl, okay? 6 00:00:24,149 --> 00:00:26,899 What happened out there I don't believe was an accident. 7 00:00:28,319 --> 00:00:30,069 Deep down in your heart, Angelika, 8 00:00:30,989 --> 00:00:32,409 did you want to kill him? 9 00:00:32,490 --> 00:00:34,030 -No. -Deep down? 10 00:00:36,077 --> 00:00:38,827 I'm not gonna judge you for anything you tell me. 11 00:00:38,913 --> 00:00:41,923 It's between me and you right now, all right? 12 00:00:43,334 --> 00:00:44,254 [Angelika] Deep down... 13 00:00:45,587 --> 00:00:47,047 I wanted him gone. 14 00:01:00,810 --> 00:01:02,350 [phone ringing] 15 00:01:02,437 --> 00:01:04,227 [dispatcher] 911, where is your emergency? 16 00:01:05,523 --> 00:01:07,193 [Angelika] I'm in the Hudson River. 17 00:01:07,275 --> 00:01:08,985 My fiancé flipped over. 18 00:01:09,069 --> 00:01:11,069 He's in the water right now. 19 00:01:11,154 --> 00:01:13,534 -[dispatcher] What's your name? -Angelika. 20 00:01:14,824 --> 00:01:17,374 -Stay on the phone with me, okay? -[Angelika] I can't get to him. 21 00:01:17,452 --> 00:01:19,662 It's very windy and the waves are coming in 22 00:01:19,746 --> 00:01:21,656 and I can't paddle to him. 23 00:01:21,748 --> 00:01:24,498 He's getting further and further away. 24 00:01:25,043 --> 00:01:26,633 He's gonna drown. 25 00:01:26,711 --> 00:01:29,211 -Please call somebody. -[dispatcher] We've got help on the way. 26 00:01:30,632 --> 00:01:33,182 [male dispatcher] 411, respond down to the Hudson River. 27 00:01:33,426 --> 00:01:35,596 [Angelika] Hold on, baby! 28 00:01:37,388 --> 00:01:38,718 Oh, my God. 29 00:01:39,307 --> 00:01:40,137 [Angelika yells] 30 00:01:41,142 --> 00:01:43,062 [dispatcher] Try to calm down some, okay? 31 00:01:44,145 --> 00:01:47,105 -[Angelika] I don't see him anymore. -All right, Angelika? 32 00:01:48,066 --> 00:01:49,186 [Angelika] He's lost. 33 00:01:49,609 --> 00:01:51,029 [dispatcher] You don't see him? 34 00:01:53,071 --> 00:01:54,451 [Angelika] Oh, my God. 35 00:01:58,118 --> 00:01:59,908 [distant sirens blaring] 36 00:01:59,994 --> 00:02:01,964 [man] On Sunday evening, April 19th, 37 00:02:02,038 --> 00:02:04,958 Angelika Graswald contacted 911, 38 00:02:05,250 --> 00:02:09,800 and she reported that her fiancé, Vincent Viafore's kayak capsized 39 00:02:09,879 --> 00:02:10,919 due to choppy waters 40 00:02:11,005 --> 00:02:13,085 and she could not locate him in the river. 41 00:02:14,717 --> 00:02:18,177 She made statements that implicated herself in this crime. 42 00:02:18,263 --> 00:02:20,103 However, absent his body, 43 00:02:20,181 --> 00:02:22,271 there's a lot of work that remains to be done. 44 00:02:24,185 --> 00:02:26,185 [woman] The narrative that was coming out was that she... 45 00:02:26,938 --> 00:02:28,308 kind of planned this whole thing, 46 00:02:28,398 --> 00:02:31,228 that she took him out and planned to kill him. 47 00:02:32,235 --> 00:02:34,695 [man 2] Prosecutors say Graswald admitted to tampering 48 00:02:34,779 --> 00:02:38,739 with Viafore's kayak by pulling his drainage plug, similar to this. 49 00:02:38,825 --> 00:02:42,325 That would cause the kayak to fill with water, causing it to capsize. 50 00:02:43,121 --> 00:02:46,081 [officer] By taking that plug out, you killed Vinny. 51 00:02:46,166 --> 00:02:46,996 Correct? 52 00:02:47,584 --> 00:02:48,544 [Angelika] Correct. 53 00:02:49,961 --> 00:02:52,171 [officer] And you wanted that to happen, correct? 54 00:02:53,256 --> 00:02:54,506 [Angelika] Correct. 55 00:02:55,550 --> 00:02:57,800 She really trusted the New York State Police, 56 00:02:57,886 --> 00:03:01,966 and she felt like these men were out to help her. 57 00:03:02,056 --> 00:03:06,386 But they thought that she was here from this poor Eastern Bloc country 58 00:03:06,895 --> 00:03:08,475 to marry an American 59 00:03:08,563 --> 00:03:11,403 and kill him and inherit his money, and she was like this black widow. 60 00:03:12,984 --> 00:03:15,154 [woman] They were trying to paint her as the villain 61 00:03:15,236 --> 00:03:18,156 because she didn't seem like a grieving girlfriend. 62 00:03:18,239 --> 00:03:20,159 She didn't seem like a grieving fiancée. 63 00:03:20,992 --> 00:03:23,082 I don't think she could have planned it, 64 00:03:23,161 --> 00:03:25,461 but I still have doubts. Yes, I do. 65 00:03:35,590 --> 00:03:38,510 [thunder rumbles] 66 00:03:46,935 --> 00:03:49,395 [woman 2] The relationship was not perfect. 67 00:03:51,105 --> 00:03:53,685 So I did feel a certain sense of relief... 68 00:03:54,817 --> 00:03:55,817 after... 69 00:03:56,736 --> 00:03:57,856 everything happened. 70 00:04:05,119 --> 00:04:06,499 [Angelika] We met at a bar. 71 00:04:07,205 --> 00:04:08,825 It was just instant connection. 72 00:04:09,457 --> 00:04:12,537 Just a laid-back, cool, down-to-earth guy. 73 00:04:13,044 --> 00:04:15,764 Very cheerful, very social. 74 00:04:17,215 --> 00:04:18,465 Anything you would want. 75 00:04:19,676 --> 00:04:22,796 We actually both had been married twice and no children. 76 00:04:23,221 --> 00:04:24,931 But he loved children. 77 00:04:25,014 --> 00:04:26,224 He was great with them. 78 00:04:26,391 --> 00:04:29,641 You know how it melts your heart when you see your guy with a kid? 79 00:04:30,270 --> 00:04:31,310 It was like that. 80 00:04:33,022 --> 00:04:36,402 But we also had a lot of friction and... 81 00:04:38,111 --> 00:04:40,111 fighting and misunderstanding. 82 00:04:49,872 --> 00:04:52,462 [Angelika] Bannerman's Island reminds me of Europe. 83 00:04:53,251 --> 00:04:55,841 That's why I kind of fell in love with it instantly. 84 00:04:56,546 --> 00:04:58,586 What took my breath away mostly 85 00:04:58,673 --> 00:05:01,223 was the view of the Hudson from there. 86 00:05:02,302 --> 00:05:04,762 The southern side, like, the mountains coming in, 87 00:05:04,846 --> 00:05:06,386 and then just the river. 88 00:05:06,681 --> 00:05:07,811 It's just stunning. 89 00:05:07,890 --> 00:05:09,270 I can't explain it. 90 00:05:10,852 --> 00:05:12,232 We wanted to get married there. 91 00:05:12,312 --> 00:05:14,942 We wanted to take our wedding pictures by the arsenal. 92 00:05:18,067 --> 00:05:20,527 [woman] Angelika was one of our volunteers on the island. 93 00:05:21,654 --> 00:05:25,834 She was always very happy, very friendly, very helpful. 94 00:05:25,908 --> 00:05:29,118 She would always volunteer to do anything that needed to be done. 95 00:05:32,832 --> 00:05:34,082 My husband and I, 96 00:05:34,500 --> 00:05:36,420 we have a telescope that happens to be aimed 97 00:05:36,502 --> 00:05:40,132 at the island so we can clearly see it from our window. 98 00:05:40,923 --> 00:05:43,513 The day that this happened, Wes happened to be looking out 99 00:05:43,593 --> 00:05:45,723 and noticed two people on the dock. 100 00:05:45,803 --> 00:05:47,513 You could see that it was getting rough, 101 00:05:47,597 --> 00:05:51,477 and it was cold. I mean, it was April 19th, so the water was... 102 00:05:51,934 --> 00:05:53,314 maybe upper 30s? 103 00:05:54,228 --> 00:05:58,648 They say five minutes in that temperature would lead to hypothermia, 104 00:05:58,733 --> 00:06:02,153 that you could not physically move your hands or your legs. 105 00:06:03,738 --> 00:06:07,078 I don't see how she could have helped him, even if she wanted to. 106 00:06:12,497 --> 00:06:14,537 [man] I was actually off that day, honestly, 107 00:06:14,624 --> 00:06:17,594 and I got a phone call and asked if I wanted to come in and work overtime. 108 00:06:17,668 --> 00:06:21,008 My dispatcher said, "Don't get too comfortable. 109 00:06:21,089 --> 00:06:23,509 We have an overturned kayak in the river." 110 00:06:27,011 --> 00:06:28,471 We made our way to the shoreline. 111 00:06:29,263 --> 00:06:32,143 After several minutes, they were able to pick a woman, 112 00:06:32,225 --> 00:06:33,725 a female, out of the water, 113 00:06:33,810 --> 00:06:36,270 later identified as Angelika Graswald. 114 00:06:37,063 --> 00:06:39,073 Her fiancé, he's missing. 115 00:06:39,732 --> 00:06:41,732 He went under, and that was the last we saw of him. 116 00:06:42,568 --> 00:06:44,148 She sat on a gurney at that point 117 00:06:44,237 --> 00:06:46,527 and then started getting attended to medically. 118 00:06:46,823 --> 00:06:48,323 As I'm sitting there looking at her, 119 00:06:48,408 --> 00:06:50,368 she seemed just emotionless. 120 00:06:50,701 --> 00:06:52,161 She wasn't crying, 121 00:06:52,245 --> 00:06:54,155 she wasn't smiling, she wasn't... 122 00:06:54,247 --> 00:06:55,497 Didn't seem sad. 123 00:06:55,581 --> 00:06:58,541 She seemed very emotionless to me, which was odd to me. 124 00:06:59,001 --> 00:07:00,631 [interviewer] Have you heard the 911 call? 125 00:07:00,711 --> 00:07:01,551 Yes. 126 00:07:03,798 --> 00:07:05,718 She seemed awfully calm to me. 127 00:07:06,551 --> 00:07:10,221 For somebody whose boyfriend just went over and, you know, is drowning, 128 00:07:11,013 --> 00:07:12,563 she seemed awfully calm. 129 00:07:13,349 --> 00:07:18,229 I don't know. There was a space of time between the time they left 130 00:07:18,729 --> 00:07:21,149 and the time the 911 call was made 131 00:07:21,691 --> 00:07:23,691 and... I don't know. 132 00:07:23,776 --> 00:07:25,896 It might have been longer than it should have been. 133 00:07:28,906 --> 00:07:32,866 From Bannerman's Island to Plum Point would be about a half hour. 134 00:07:34,996 --> 00:07:35,826 It's only a mile. 135 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,500 Angelika sent me a text message around 7:04. 136 00:07:42,837 --> 00:07:45,257 The 911 call was made at 7:40, 137 00:07:45,965 --> 00:07:47,675 and that's 36 minutes, 138 00:07:47,758 --> 00:07:50,468 and they weren't all the way across, either, when this happened. 139 00:07:52,054 --> 00:07:54,474 So she's thinking, "Okay, he went in the river 140 00:07:54,849 --> 00:07:58,729 and let's just sit here and wait a few minutes before we call for help." 141 00:07:59,812 --> 00:08:02,942 Could have been ten minutes. Could have been 15 minutes. 142 00:08:03,024 --> 00:08:05,154 You know, it just makes you wonder. 143 00:08:07,904 --> 00:08:11,164 Talking to the state police investigators, 144 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,330 they really believe that it was premeditated. 145 00:08:15,411 --> 00:08:18,121 Even my nephew said, "There's something wrong. 146 00:08:19,248 --> 00:08:21,958 Uh, she... I think she did something." 147 00:08:25,838 --> 00:08:28,548 Vinny brought Angelika to my home. 148 00:08:29,133 --> 00:08:31,093 I wasn't very impressed. 149 00:08:31,177 --> 00:08:33,847 You can tell sometimes when a person is warm. 150 00:08:34,305 --> 00:08:37,135 You know, they have that kind of personality, 151 00:08:37,225 --> 00:08:40,185 and, uh, I don't really think she had that. 152 00:08:41,270 --> 00:08:42,810 I found out later 153 00:08:42,897 --> 00:08:45,687 that the relationship was very tumultuous, you know. 154 00:08:45,775 --> 00:08:47,485 They would go back and forth. 155 00:08:48,194 --> 00:08:49,454 Being his mother, 156 00:08:49,529 --> 00:08:51,949 he doesn't always tell you everything. 157 00:08:52,031 --> 00:08:54,951 So there's a lot of things I didn't know 158 00:08:55,034 --> 00:08:58,004 and I found out after everything happened. 159 00:09:02,166 --> 00:09:03,956 On the day that it happened, 160 00:09:04,043 --> 00:09:05,883 Vinny sent a text to his sister, 161 00:09:05,962 --> 00:09:09,882 letting her know that he was going kayaking with Angelika. 162 00:09:10,550 --> 00:09:13,470 So that was very, very odd 163 00:09:13,886 --> 00:09:15,886 because he'd never done that before. 164 00:09:17,306 --> 00:09:21,056 He said what time they were leaving and what time they should be home. 165 00:09:21,894 --> 00:09:22,984 But, um... 166 00:09:23,062 --> 00:09:24,312 But he never came home. 167 00:09:25,398 --> 00:09:28,228 I don't know what she did, but I believe she did something... 168 00:09:28,943 --> 00:09:30,283 to cause his death. 169 00:09:34,156 --> 00:09:36,446 [man] We have a state police marine unit in the water right now. 170 00:09:36,534 --> 00:09:38,334 They have side-scanning sonar. 171 00:09:38,411 --> 00:09:42,081 When the water is this rough, it's very difficult to operate 172 00:09:42,164 --> 00:09:44,174 and keep your grid line searches. 173 00:09:44,584 --> 00:09:47,504 And probably have to call it here in a little bit, 174 00:09:47,587 --> 00:09:50,127 and then we'll be back out tomorrow if the weather turns. 175 00:09:52,883 --> 00:09:55,303 [man 2] I was completely crushed, along with everybody else 176 00:09:55,511 --> 00:09:57,511 'cause everyone had been looking on the Hudson River, 177 00:09:57,597 --> 00:10:01,927 hoping Vinny was, you know, maybe unconscious or just out there. 178 00:10:02,143 --> 00:10:05,733 And you don't know whether or not he's alive or dead 'cause no one knew. 179 00:10:10,109 --> 00:10:13,699 Vinny was probably the greatest human being I've ever met. 180 00:10:14,405 --> 00:10:15,405 He'd walk in a room, 181 00:10:15,698 --> 00:10:18,488 something like out of Goodfellas, the movie. He'd be like Jimmy the Gent. 182 00:10:18,576 --> 00:10:22,456 When he walked into a room, the whole-- you were just attracted to Vinny. 183 00:10:24,999 --> 00:10:27,169 See, now, this is the strange part. 184 00:10:27,543 --> 00:10:28,923 People grieve differently, 185 00:10:29,295 --> 00:10:32,415 but Angelika, the day after he was missing, 186 00:10:32,506 --> 00:10:34,626 she posted on social media 187 00:10:34,717 --> 00:10:36,717 a photograph of her doing shots. 188 00:10:37,553 --> 00:10:40,013 And that's when I was like, "What is going on here?" 189 00:10:40,097 --> 00:10:42,637 And then, like, the third day, she's doing cartwheels. 190 00:10:44,226 --> 00:10:45,596 [woman] Woo! 191 00:10:45,686 --> 00:10:47,806 Yay! 192 00:10:50,900 --> 00:10:53,110 [Angelika] Well, I felt like I had to put on... 193 00:10:53,653 --> 00:10:54,703 a face. 194 00:10:55,071 --> 00:10:58,071 I don't know if it's just my culture, my background, 195 00:10:58,157 --> 00:11:00,027 you know, not showing your emotions. 196 00:11:00,284 --> 00:11:02,664 But I felt like I needed to hold it together... 197 00:11:03,663 --> 00:11:05,043 for others. 198 00:11:05,706 --> 00:11:08,876 I just behaved the way I-- the best I knew how. 199 00:11:10,127 --> 00:11:13,007 It was wrong, in public's opinion, but... 200 00:11:14,465 --> 00:11:15,415 that's me. 201 00:11:25,976 --> 00:11:27,396 [woman] It was Wednesday. 202 00:11:27,478 --> 00:11:29,228 All the gardeners are together. 203 00:11:29,730 --> 00:11:33,280 Angelika was on the dock, getting ready to come on up. 204 00:11:33,776 --> 00:11:35,146 She seemed down. 205 00:11:35,236 --> 00:11:38,656 She said, "Yes, I'm feeling very bad." 206 00:11:42,451 --> 00:11:44,041 And to my surprise, 207 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,750 there was a bunch of policemen coming up on the island as well. 208 00:11:48,958 --> 00:11:52,588 At this point, it's April 29th, so it's ten days after Vince goes missing. 209 00:11:52,670 --> 00:11:54,090 They do not have a body. 210 00:11:54,171 --> 00:11:56,591 They don't know truly the cause of death. 211 00:11:59,385 --> 00:12:01,755 Waiting for her on the island 212 00:12:01,846 --> 00:12:02,966 was a pack of wolves 213 00:12:03,055 --> 00:12:06,845 and their names were DaSilva, Moscato and DeQuarto. 214 00:12:07,852 --> 00:12:10,692 They swore up and down that this was a coincidence, 215 00:12:10,771 --> 00:12:12,191 and that they weren't there for her, 216 00:12:12,273 --> 00:12:16,193 and that they were on the island kind of just like looking for clues. 217 00:12:17,903 --> 00:12:18,743 It was comical. 218 00:12:19,447 --> 00:12:22,367 We have photos that they took on the island, 219 00:12:22,450 --> 00:12:24,540 and they were there posing together, 220 00:12:24,618 --> 00:12:26,908 like, embracing each other, taking selfies. 221 00:12:27,413 --> 00:12:31,633 In one picture, Investigator Moscato was faking reaching down 222 00:12:31,709 --> 00:12:33,289 and collecting a piece of evidence. 223 00:12:33,377 --> 00:12:34,747 He was posing. He looked like OJ. 224 00:12:34,837 --> 00:12:36,167 Really, he looked like OJ. 225 00:12:40,301 --> 00:12:43,801 [Joyce] As I was sitting on the ground doing my gardening, 226 00:12:43,888 --> 00:12:46,268 I did hear one gentleman, 227 00:12:46,348 --> 00:12:49,268 a very loud voice, strong. 228 00:12:49,602 --> 00:12:51,812 He said, "It's your turn, 229 00:12:51,896 --> 00:12:54,816 and get that bitch to tell you the story." 230 00:12:55,941 --> 00:12:59,111 They were taking turns at questioning her, 231 00:12:59,487 --> 00:13:02,237 to the point that she would break down and cry. 232 00:13:02,615 --> 00:13:04,735 So that was kind of scary, 233 00:13:04,825 --> 00:13:09,495 knowing the interrogation was happening right in front of our eyes. 234 00:13:13,292 --> 00:13:15,382 [Richard] At this point, she's had no grief counseling. 235 00:13:15,461 --> 00:13:18,051 She's had no one to talk to. Hadn't slept in days. 236 00:13:18,339 --> 00:13:22,259 So Investigator DeQuarto takes up the role of kind of a therapist. 237 00:13:22,593 --> 00:13:24,683 She says, "Well, the plug was out," 238 00:13:24,762 --> 00:13:27,522 and it caused her incredible stress. 239 00:13:27,723 --> 00:13:31,273 He's like, "What do you mean?" He has no idea what she's talking about. 240 00:13:32,144 --> 00:13:34,654 Investigator DeQuarto doesn't even know 241 00:13:34,730 --> 00:13:36,980 where it was located on the vessel. 242 00:13:37,066 --> 00:13:38,856 He thinks it's at the bottom. 243 00:13:38,943 --> 00:13:40,243 So, in his mind, 244 00:13:40,319 --> 00:13:42,859 when she says, "The plug was out," 245 00:13:42,947 --> 00:13:45,567 he thinks that she confessed to killing Vince, 246 00:13:45,658 --> 00:13:48,698 to taking the plug out with the intention that he'd drown and die. 247 00:13:49,203 --> 00:13:50,963 Well, I knew it wasn't in, 248 00:13:51,038 --> 00:13:54,498 and I remember telling Vince about it when we got on the water. 249 00:13:55,167 --> 00:13:57,247 I remember being, like, mad at him 250 00:13:57,336 --> 00:13:59,756 for not paying attention that it was missing. 251 00:13:59,839 --> 00:14:02,089 It was his kayak, his equipment. 252 00:14:02,174 --> 00:14:05,724 He should have taken care of it, but he didn't, and I should have... 253 00:14:06,637 --> 00:14:10,217 done that for him because I knew he was forgetful. 254 00:14:10,307 --> 00:14:13,267 But I didn't, so I felt guilty and conflicted about it. 255 00:14:19,316 --> 00:14:21,776 Well, they asked me to come to barracks with them. 256 00:14:21,861 --> 00:14:24,031 They said, "Would you come down and give us a statement?" 257 00:14:24,113 --> 00:14:25,913 I'm like, "Sure. No problem." 258 00:14:27,408 --> 00:14:28,948 I didn't think anything of it. 259 00:14:31,495 --> 00:14:34,285 -[DeQuarto] So we had a good discussion. -[Angelika] We did. 260 00:14:34,373 --> 00:14:36,753 -[DeQuarto] I think you feel a lot better. -Yeah, I do. 261 00:14:37,668 --> 00:14:39,418 -[DeQuarto] It's therapy for you. -Of course. 262 00:14:39,503 --> 00:14:42,173 -[DeQuarto] You'll feel better. -[Angelika] You will too. 263 00:14:42,256 --> 00:14:44,546 -May I sit closer? -Absolutely. Come on in. 264 00:14:44,967 --> 00:14:47,177 [Angelika] I don't know. He just made me feel comfortable, 265 00:14:47,261 --> 00:14:50,311 and I thought that I could open up to him. 266 00:14:50,389 --> 00:14:52,769 I couldn't talk to anybody else about it. 267 00:14:53,767 --> 00:14:57,267 And, you know, you just go through a million things in your mind. 268 00:14:57,730 --> 00:15:00,400 You think and you blame yourself, you blame somebody else, 269 00:15:00,482 --> 00:15:02,112 you blame him, you're angry at him, 270 00:15:02,192 --> 00:15:03,442 you're angry at yourself. 271 00:15:04,028 --> 00:15:06,028 All of that. The whole... 272 00:15:06,697 --> 00:15:08,867 cocktail of feelings and emotions. 273 00:15:09,325 --> 00:15:10,615 I went through it all. 274 00:15:11,535 --> 00:15:13,405 So when he offered, 275 00:15:13,495 --> 00:15:15,285 when he said the word "therapy," 276 00:15:15,372 --> 00:15:18,712 I was like, "Okay, maybe this is it. Maybe this is the outlet. 277 00:15:18,792 --> 00:15:22,712 Maybe I could open up and get it off my chest, like they want me to." 278 00:15:27,259 --> 00:15:32,179 [DeQuarto] So we're gonna start from your relationship with Vinny. 279 00:15:32,264 --> 00:15:33,104 [Angelika] Hm-mm. 280 00:15:34,224 --> 00:15:37,274 [Angelika] Just like any couple, we had our issues. 281 00:15:37,353 --> 00:15:39,863 -[DeQuarto] And what issues would that be? -[Angelika] Um... 282 00:15:40,397 --> 00:15:41,647 He kept pushing me. 283 00:15:41,732 --> 00:15:43,442 [DeQuarto] What do you mean he was pushing? 284 00:15:43,525 --> 00:15:47,855 [Angelika] He pushed for everything. He pushed for sex, for sexual stuff. 285 00:15:47,947 --> 00:15:50,407 -[DeQuarto] Okay. He always wanted sex? -Yeah. 286 00:15:50,491 --> 00:15:51,871 [DeQuarto] Sexual things? 287 00:15:51,951 --> 00:15:55,581 [Angelika] Well, yeah. He wanted threesomes, porno, everything. 288 00:15:55,663 --> 00:15:57,673 -[DeQuarto] Okay. -And I was not ready. 289 00:15:59,500 --> 00:16:03,130 Well, kind of very early into the relationship, 290 00:16:03,212 --> 00:16:05,132 he just had certain requests. 291 00:16:06,507 --> 00:16:09,217 And I was willing to do some things, but... 292 00:16:09,843 --> 00:16:13,263 other things made me very uncomfortable,* and I didn't want to do them. 293 00:16:15,808 --> 00:16:17,058 He was obsessed. 294 00:16:19,895 --> 00:16:22,555 He would text me daily. 295 00:16:22,648 --> 00:16:23,518 Things like... 296 00:16:25,025 --> 00:16:27,315 a certain pornographic image or something, 297 00:16:27,403 --> 00:16:31,703 and he would be thinking of me in that form, 298 00:16:31,782 --> 00:16:33,702 and I would be, like, disgusted by it. 299 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,710 So, yeah, I felt like there was a battle going on within me. 300 00:16:39,707 --> 00:16:42,627 I wanted to please him and make him happy, 301 00:16:43,168 --> 00:16:46,378 and at the same time, I didn't want to do what he asked me to do. 302 00:16:48,090 --> 00:16:49,930 [interviewer] Did he ever force himself on you? 303 00:16:50,050 --> 00:16:51,890 Yeah, he did. 304 00:16:51,969 --> 00:16:53,759 [rain tapping on roof] 305 00:16:56,849 --> 00:16:57,679 [sighs] 306 00:16:58,559 --> 00:16:59,769 [whispers] Excuse me. 307 00:17:03,313 --> 00:17:04,523 [sighs] 308 00:17:04,606 --> 00:17:05,436 [switch clicks] 309 00:17:11,780 --> 00:17:14,070 He pushed you past your breaking point, didn't he? 310 00:17:14,158 --> 00:17:15,028 Yeah. 311 00:17:15,868 --> 00:17:17,198 How did it make you feel? 312 00:17:18,662 --> 00:17:19,502 I was angry. 313 00:17:19,580 --> 00:17:20,710 -Very angry? -Yeah. 314 00:17:22,041 --> 00:17:24,751 [DeQuarto] So why didn't you just break up with him? 315 00:17:25,294 --> 00:17:27,844 'Cause I loved him. I wanted a kid. I wanted a family. 316 00:17:28,213 --> 00:17:29,843 I wanted all of it. 317 00:17:30,382 --> 00:17:32,722 [DeQuarto] And you love him a lot. I see that. 318 00:17:33,177 --> 00:17:34,967 But when you watched him 319 00:17:35,054 --> 00:17:36,264 in the water... 320 00:17:36,346 --> 00:17:37,806 [static] 321 00:17:37,890 --> 00:17:41,770 ...was a part of you saying, "My worries are gone away now"? 322 00:17:41,852 --> 00:17:43,352 -Yeah. -"And I'm free"? 323 00:17:43,437 --> 00:17:45,437 -Yeah. -And were you almost... 324 00:17:47,107 --> 00:17:50,567 -[Angelika] Euphoric? -Euphoric that he was gonna be gone? 325 00:17:50,652 --> 00:17:52,532 I do. I did. 326 00:17:52,613 --> 00:17:53,993 -You felt that way? -Yeah. 327 00:17:55,157 --> 00:17:56,197 I still do. 328 00:17:58,786 --> 00:18:01,656 [Richard] This was Investigator DeQuarto's first homicide. 329 00:18:02,414 --> 00:18:07,214 He was absolutely fixated on her as having been a killer. 330 00:18:07,294 --> 00:18:09,514 To me, he wanted to make a murder out of this. 331 00:18:09,922 --> 00:18:12,342 You know exactly what took place, 332 00:18:12,424 --> 00:18:14,644 and that's all I'm trying to get at 333 00:18:14,718 --> 00:18:20,428 so I can say, "Listen, this girl felt like a trapped person. 334 00:18:21,266 --> 00:18:22,266 She..." 335 00:18:23,143 --> 00:18:25,653 [Angelika] Dealt with a lot of anger issues. 336 00:18:25,729 --> 00:18:28,689 [DeQuarto] "She was forced to do things 337 00:18:29,274 --> 00:18:30,864 that she did not want to do, 338 00:18:31,777 --> 00:18:33,817 and this is why this took place," 339 00:18:33,904 --> 00:18:35,454 and I can explain that. 340 00:18:37,491 --> 00:18:39,331 [DeQuarto] You need to be honest with me. 341 00:18:39,409 --> 00:18:43,079 Did you intentionally take that plug out because you wanted to set yourself free? 342 00:18:43,497 --> 00:18:44,667 [Angelika] Could be. 343 00:18:44,748 --> 00:18:46,328 [DeQuarto] Could be or yes? 344 00:18:47,376 --> 00:18:50,796 [Angelika] Well, it's psychological. I'm just trying to understand... 345 00:18:51,171 --> 00:18:54,261 myself, like how and why would I do that. 346 00:18:54,341 --> 00:18:55,221 [DeQuarto] Right. 347 00:18:55,300 --> 00:18:56,640 [static] 348 00:18:57,010 --> 00:18:58,760 I didn't want anybody hurt. 349 00:18:59,930 --> 00:19:01,770 I never would want anybody hurt. 350 00:19:01,849 --> 00:19:02,719 [DeQuarto] Right. 351 00:19:04,268 --> 00:19:05,558 So why do you feel guilt? 352 00:19:07,104 --> 00:19:09,064 Because of that thought that I had. 353 00:19:09,148 --> 00:19:10,188 [DeQuarto] That you-- 354 00:19:10,274 --> 00:19:11,694 [Angelika] That I wanted to be free, 355 00:19:11,775 --> 00:19:13,815 -that I wanted him to be gone. -Okay. 356 00:19:13,902 --> 00:19:15,742 So I feel guilty about that. 357 00:19:15,821 --> 00:19:17,281 [DeQuarto] That's understandable. 358 00:19:18,532 --> 00:19:22,792 [Richard] Investigator DeQuarto, his ultimate goal was to convince her 359 00:19:22,870 --> 00:19:24,540 that, subconsciously, 360 00:19:24,788 --> 00:19:27,578 she had taken the plug out to kill Vince. 361 00:19:28,917 --> 00:19:30,917 [birds chirping] 362 00:19:32,421 --> 00:19:36,181 [man] Most of the headlines alluded to "killing fiancé with kayak," 363 00:19:36,967 --> 00:19:38,717 and that's really what caught my attention. 364 00:19:38,802 --> 00:19:41,472 I was like, "Hm, how do you kill someone with a kayak?" 365 00:19:44,433 --> 00:19:46,443 I started working with Richard Portale 366 00:19:46,518 --> 00:19:51,018 and the defense team, specifically around the mechanics of paddle sport, 367 00:19:51,273 --> 00:19:54,193 boat design and how boats work 368 00:19:54,276 --> 00:19:56,696 in complex environments like the Hudson River. 369 00:19:57,237 --> 00:19:58,657 In the Graswald case, 370 00:19:59,656 --> 00:20:04,326 if we're hinging on intentionally removing the drain plug 371 00:20:04,870 --> 00:20:07,160 so that water would 372 00:20:07,247 --> 00:20:08,997 come in through this part of the boat, 373 00:20:10,542 --> 00:20:12,632 that would be a really complex way to kill someone. 374 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:13,800 To... 375 00:20:14,713 --> 00:20:19,133 build a plan around something that is about a half-inch in diameter, 376 00:20:19,593 --> 00:20:21,973 that's like a James Bond villain plan, 377 00:20:22,054 --> 00:20:24,854 like sharks with laser beams on their head-type plan. 378 00:20:24,932 --> 00:20:28,892 Um, because so many things have to be constructively aligned 379 00:20:28,977 --> 00:20:30,307 in order to achieve an outcome. 380 00:20:32,481 --> 00:20:33,981 So, as I'm paddling, 381 00:20:34,733 --> 00:20:37,113 just look at the distance of the drain plug... 382 00:20:37,903 --> 00:20:38,953 to the water. 383 00:20:43,283 --> 00:20:46,833 The prosecution, they were really sticking to the drain plug 384 00:20:46,912 --> 00:20:48,582 as their primary angle. 385 00:20:49,581 --> 00:20:51,581 And so there's a lot of video footage. 386 00:20:51,667 --> 00:20:54,377 They were trying to show that you could sink a boat 387 00:20:54,461 --> 00:20:55,671 by removing the drain plug. 388 00:20:55,754 --> 00:20:57,054 [man 1] Camera's recording. 389 00:20:57,130 --> 00:20:58,420 -[whistle blows] -[man 2] Go! 390 00:21:02,302 --> 00:21:05,642 One video was a variety of different-sized people 391 00:21:05,722 --> 00:21:07,522 really aggressively paddling 392 00:21:07,599 --> 00:21:10,099 in order to get the stern to submerge. 393 00:21:10,686 --> 00:21:11,516 [man] Start. 394 00:21:12,771 --> 00:21:13,861 [man] No, no, no. 395 00:21:13,939 --> 00:21:16,189 No, we didn't... I'm gonna say, "Ready, set, go." 396 00:21:17,818 --> 00:21:19,648 [Todd] Looking at that footage, 397 00:21:19,736 --> 00:21:22,606 my gut response was, "Wow, they're trying really hard 398 00:21:22,864 --> 00:21:24,874 to get the stern to go underwater." 399 00:21:25,367 --> 00:21:28,077 You can get anything to happen if you try hard enough. 400 00:21:32,416 --> 00:21:34,666 [engine roars] 401 00:21:34,751 --> 00:21:37,501 I went on the Hudson, and they had the powerboat go around, 402 00:21:37,587 --> 00:21:39,507 and they said, "Let's swamp the boat." 403 00:21:41,258 --> 00:21:44,338 The cockpit is relatively close to the water. 404 00:21:44,428 --> 00:21:47,058 With a little bit of wave action and a bit of wind, 405 00:21:47,347 --> 00:21:50,767 waves are gonna come over the deck of that boat and enter through the cockpit. 406 00:21:51,768 --> 00:21:54,018 The boat, essentially, is a bathtub. 407 00:21:54,563 --> 00:21:56,023 There really isn't a bulkhead. 408 00:21:56,732 --> 00:21:58,072 And if we look sideways, 409 00:21:58,817 --> 00:22:00,817 we can see very clearly... 410 00:22:06,033 --> 00:22:09,623 a small wave lapping is gonna cause water to go into... 411 00:22:10,746 --> 00:22:12,456 this giant hole. 412 00:22:17,294 --> 00:22:21,054 [Richard] Vince is not respectful of the river, so he doesn't have 413 00:22:21,715 --> 00:22:26,425 any of the safety precautions that an experienced, 414 00:22:26,511 --> 00:22:29,511 vigilant kayaker would have. 415 00:22:31,058 --> 00:22:33,768 So the water is 44.5 degrees that day, 416 00:22:34,186 --> 00:22:36,766 but Vince doesn't take that into consideration. 417 00:22:36,855 --> 00:22:38,765 He doesn't think it's important to wear a wet suit. 418 00:22:39,399 --> 00:22:42,109 His kayak, we know, is designed for a pond. 419 00:22:42,194 --> 00:22:43,954 This is a recreational kayak. 420 00:22:44,029 --> 00:22:46,319 If you're expecting whitecaps or waves 421 00:22:46,406 --> 00:22:49,196 or any kind of turbulence, it doesn't belong there. 422 00:22:49,284 --> 00:22:50,204 That's in the manual. 423 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:52,829 Vince's kayak has beers 424 00:22:52,913 --> 00:22:54,003 and a six-pack of water. 425 00:22:54,081 --> 00:22:55,251 He's got chairs. 426 00:22:55,332 --> 00:22:57,252 They've got these kayaks weighted down. 427 00:22:58,168 --> 00:23:00,748 Vince's BAC was 0.066, 428 00:23:00,962 --> 00:23:03,132 which in New York State is legally impaired. 429 00:23:04,424 --> 00:23:06,434 When they set out at four o'clock, 430 00:23:06,510 --> 00:23:07,930 the weather wasn't bad. 431 00:23:08,011 --> 00:23:10,761 But around seven, the weather kicks up 432 00:23:10,847 --> 00:23:12,597 and it really kicks up. 433 00:23:13,266 --> 00:23:14,976 And at some point, Vince swamps. 434 00:23:15,394 --> 00:23:18,234 So now he's going very fast, 435 00:23:18,313 --> 00:23:19,983 being pulled south in the water. 436 00:23:20,065 --> 00:23:22,775 She's fighting the wind, dead into the wind, 437 00:23:22,859 --> 00:23:25,319 and she's being pulled north, and so they're being pulled apart. 438 00:23:25,946 --> 00:23:27,026 Our experts... 439 00:23:27,114 --> 00:23:31,334 So Todd Wright, who is one of the best kayakers in the world currently, 440 00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:33,450 said that he would love that. Like, he would... 441 00:23:33,537 --> 00:23:35,037 But he wouldn't use that kayak. 442 00:23:35,122 --> 00:23:37,582 He wouldn't be caught in that kayak. 443 00:23:37,666 --> 00:23:40,126 But for an inexperienced kayaker 444 00:23:40,377 --> 00:23:45,547 and someone who is not prepared with the proper safety equipment, 445 00:23:46,341 --> 00:23:48,221 it can be deadly, and it was deadly. 446 00:23:48,593 --> 00:23:51,143 [static] 447 00:23:52,472 --> 00:23:55,142 Because of the waves which started to pick up, I couldn't... 448 00:23:55,225 --> 00:23:57,515 He started to come in and out of my vision. 449 00:23:57,602 --> 00:24:00,272 I started losing sight of him, so I kept paddling. 450 00:24:01,106 --> 00:24:01,936 [DeQuarto] Okay. 451 00:24:03,191 --> 00:24:06,491 And then when he yells to you, "I don't think I'm gonna make it," 452 00:24:08,530 --> 00:24:10,120 did you call 911 then or-- 453 00:24:10,198 --> 00:24:13,288 No, I called 911 when he told me to call 911. 454 00:24:14,494 --> 00:24:15,414 [Richard] It's a creep. 455 00:24:15,495 --> 00:24:17,285 You know, it's a slow grind, 456 00:24:17,372 --> 00:24:20,002 kind of like a Komodo dragon, you know, hunts a deer, 457 00:24:20,083 --> 00:24:22,043 like miles and miles and days and days. 458 00:24:22,502 --> 00:24:23,672 He just kept at her. 459 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,050 [DeQuarto] Is that all that happened at that point? 460 00:24:27,132 --> 00:24:28,762 -[Angelika] Yeah. -Nothing else? 461 00:24:28,842 --> 00:24:29,892 [Angelika] Nothing else. 462 00:24:29,968 --> 00:24:32,048 [DeQuarto] And you watched him drown? 463 00:24:32,137 --> 00:24:34,137 [static] 464 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,810 -[DeQuarto] I know it's difficult. -No, I didn't just watch him drown. 465 00:24:38,894 --> 00:24:40,604 I tried to do something about it. 466 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,190 [Richard] So eventually, I think he realizes 467 00:24:45,275 --> 00:24:49,235 that he wasn't getting what he wanted, and he tagged out. 468 00:24:49,321 --> 00:24:51,281 You know, he tagged out to Investigator Skarkas, 469 00:24:51,364 --> 00:24:54,334 who comes in even more aggressively, and they were relentless. 470 00:24:56,453 --> 00:24:58,003 [rustling] 471 00:24:58,788 --> 00:24:59,788 [man] All right. 472 00:25:00,665 --> 00:25:02,075 -Angelika... -Hi. 473 00:25:02,417 --> 00:25:03,877 How you doing? I'm Matt. 474 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,800 -[Angelika] Nice to meet you. -He works with me. 475 00:25:05,879 --> 00:25:07,549 [Angelika] Okay. That's your partner? 476 00:25:07,631 --> 00:25:09,341 One of them. He's one of them. 477 00:25:13,470 --> 00:25:17,560 [Skarkas] Some of the time frames that we've talked about don't match up. 478 00:25:18,183 --> 00:25:19,643 [Angelika] Okay. Which ones? 479 00:25:21,061 --> 00:25:22,061 [Skarkas sighs] 480 00:25:22,729 --> 00:25:26,019 From the time you leave Bannerman Island... 481 00:25:27,567 --> 00:25:30,067 -to the time that you make the 911 call. -Okay. 482 00:25:30,153 --> 00:25:31,283 [Skarkas] All right? 483 00:25:31,363 --> 00:25:34,203 For that duration of time which is, like, about 40 minutes-- 484 00:25:34,282 --> 00:25:36,412 -[Angelika] Oh, it's 40? -Yeah, it's right around there. 485 00:25:36,493 --> 00:25:37,623 It's long enough... 486 00:25:38,411 --> 00:25:40,661 for you to be back at Plum Point. 487 00:25:40,747 --> 00:25:44,997 Did anything happen out there, aside from what you're telling me, 488 00:25:45,085 --> 00:25:46,835 that there's a delay? 489 00:25:47,212 --> 00:25:51,632 Did he go under and you wait ten minutes, and then you call 911? 490 00:25:51,716 --> 00:25:54,926 No, I called 911 when he was still holding on. 491 00:25:55,512 --> 00:25:58,012 [Richard] They thought she killed him. They just didn't know how. 492 00:25:58,807 --> 00:26:00,677 The theory was that she let him drown, 493 00:26:00,767 --> 00:26:04,147 and she didn't do anything to save him, and she just watched him go, 494 00:26:04,229 --> 00:26:05,609 but if that's the case, 495 00:26:05,689 --> 00:26:08,649 she would have been recovered well north of Plum Point. 496 00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:14,780 [Skarkas] Did you pull the oar away? Did you pull the kayak away? 497 00:26:14,864 --> 00:26:15,914 [Angelika] No. 498 00:26:15,991 --> 00:26:18,081 I didn't pull the kayak or oar away. 499 00:26:19,619 --> 00:26:21,159 [Skarkas] But there's nothing else? 500 00:26:21,246 --> 00:26:23,666 -No. -There's not gonna be any type of a drug, 501 00:26:23,748 --> 00:26:25,748 anything that you would have put into a drink, 502 00:26:25,834 --> 00:26:28,174 food, anything like that that we're gonna find in there? 503 00:26:28,253 --> 00:26:30,713 I have sleeping pills that my doctor prescribed, 504 00:26:30,797 --> 00:26:32,667 but I haven't touched them. 505 00:26:32,757 --> 00:26:35,797 Okay. You didn't crush any up and put them inside any of his drinks, 506 00:26:35,885 --> 00:26:37,095 -nothing like-- -That was after. 507 00:26:37,178 --> 00:26:39,388 -They gave me those sleeping pills. -Okay. 508 00:26:39,472 --> 00:26:41,642 I just picked them up yesterday, actually. 509 00:26:50,817 --> 00:26:52,817 [mechanical whirring] 510 00:26:54,946 --> 00:26:56,566 [Angelika] When you are in a room like that 511 00:26:56,656 --> 00:26:59,486 and you have no windows, no sense of time, 512 00:26:59,576 --> 00:27:01,286 they take everything from you, 513 00:27:01,828 --> 00:27:05,038 plus not sleeping for several days prior to that, 514 00:27:05,123 --> 00:27:08,253 I was exhausted. I was stressed out. 515 00:27:09,586 --> 00:27:11,836 I was not in a right state of mind. 516 00:27:11,921 --> 00:27:14,261 I was... lost. 517 00:27:16,593 --> 00:27:18,473 Just the setting of, 518 00:27:18,553 --> 00:27:20,763 "Oh, you can't leave the room by yourself. 519 00:27:20,847 --> 00:27:23,847 You can't go to the bathroom by yourself. You'll be escorted." 520 00:27:23,933 --> 00:27:27,523 And I had my period happening at that time, 521 00:27:27,604 --> 00:27:29,614 so I kind of needed a bathroom. 522 00:27:31,149 --> 00:27:32,279 And they... 523 00:27:32,776 --> 00:27:34,316 didn't care. [chuckles] 524 00:27:34,402 --> 00:27:35,702 They just kept pushing 525 00:27:35,779 --> 00:27:37,569 and pressuring and trying to get out of me 526 00:27:37,656 --> 00:27:39,946 and squeeze out of me everything they could. 527 00:27:46,206 --> 00:27:47,666 -Angelika? -Yes? 528 00:27:47,749 --> 00:27:48,829 [Richard] So, at that point, 529 00:27:48,917 --> 00:27:52,797 they have executed search warrants of the apartment. 530 00:27:52,879 --> 00:27:54,709 They have her in the interrogation room. 531 00:27:54,798 --> 00:27:56,048 They do not have a body. 532 00:27:56,132 --> 00:27:58,932 They don't know truly the cause of death, 533 00:27:59,010 --> 00:28:01,720 and they now come to realize that there's a gun missing. 534 00:28:02,681 --> 00:28:04,851 [DeQuarto] In the house, Vinny had guns, right? 535 00:28:04,933 --> 00:28:05,773 [Angelika] Yes. 536 00:28:05,850 --> 00:28:07,890 [DeQuarto] Do you know specifically what type of guns they were? 537 00:28:07,977 --> 00:28:08,847 [Angelika] No. 538 00:28:09,729 --> 00:28:12,609 [DeQuarto] Okay, 'cause there's one gun that's missing. 539 00:28:13,358 --> 00:28:15,688 There's magazines for it and bullets for it, 540 00:28:15,777 --> 00:28:17,027 but the gun's not there. 541 00:28:18,863 --> 00:28:20,413 -[Angelika] What do you mean? -[DeQuarto] I don't know. 542 00:28:20,490 --> 00:28:22,620 I'm asking, did you know where that one gun might be? 543 00:28:22,701 --> 00:28:24,451 Have you seen all of his guns? 544 00:28:24,536 --> 00:28:26,406 -[Angelika] No, I haven't. -[DeQuarto] No? 545 00:28:26,913 --> 00:28:28,833 They really thought that she shot him, 546 00:28:29,666 --> 00:28:33,376 and they believed that when they did find Vince's body, 547 00:28:33,461 --> 00:28:37,131 he was going to have a gunshot wound somewhere on his body. 548 00:28:38,174 --> 00:28:40,804 [Skarkas] Okay, you're lying to me, and you're lying to yourself 549 00:28:40,885 --> 00:28:45,845 because you still will not come out and say what we know to be true. 550 00:28:45,932 --> 00:28:47,682 [Angelika] I don't want to admit... 551 00:28:48,226 --> 00:28:50,146 that I killed him. 552 00:28:51,229 --> 00:28:53,019 [Skarkas] Okay. I understand that. 553 00:28:53,106 --> 00:28:54,606 -[Angelika] Okay. -But you did. 554 00:28:55,817 --> 00:28:57,817 When you say, "I want to be free," 555 00:28:57,902 --> 00:29:00,362 you're not going to be free of any of this 556 00:29:00,739 --> 00:29:03,159 until you admit you killed Vinny. 557 00:29:03,575 --> 00:29:05,905 You took that plug out to kill him. 558 00:29:05,994 --> 00:29:08,584 -[Angelika] Can you lower your voice? -I just have a big mouth, sorry. 559 00:29:08,663 --> 00:29:09,503 [Angelika] I do too. 560 00:29:09,914 --> 00:29:11,714 [Skarkas] I come from a Mediterranean family. 561 00:29:11,791 --> 00:29:12,961 [Angelika mumbles] 562 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,710 [static] 563 00:29:19,632 --> 00:29:20,972 [Angelika] Well, go ahead. 564 00:29:21,509 --> 00:29:23,389 [Skarkas] I want to hear it from you. 565 00:29:25,180 --> 00:29:26,770 To me, personally, 566 00:29:26,848 --> 00:29:31,308 it was just the constant repetition of questions 567 00:29:31,394 --> 00:29:35,364 and going over it and over it and over it and... 568 00:29:35,982 --> 00:29:38,232 just, again, pressure. 569 00:29:38,693 --> 00:29:40,783 I don't deal well with pressure. [laughs] 570 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,120 I guess. 571 00:29:46,659 --> 00:29:47,949 [Skarkas] You killed Vinny. 572 00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:51,659 Right? 573 00:29:53,416 --> 00:29:54,246 [inaudible] 574 00:29:54,334 --> 00:29:57,714 -No, I'm asking you the question-- -You want me to admit it. 575 00:29:57,796 --> 00:29:59,916 [Skarkas] I want you to tell me the truth. 576 00:30:00,340 --> 00:30:03,010 -I am telling you the truth. -What is the answer to that question? 577 00:30:03,092 --> 00:30:05,092 I didn't... I didn't want him... 578 00:30:06,137 --> 00:30:09,717 Angelika, what is the true answer to that question? 579 00:30:10,308 --> 00:30:12,018 [Angelika] You need your fucking statement. 580 00:30:12,101 --> 00:30:13,191 [Skarkas] What is it? 581 00:30:13,853 --> 00:30:16,313 [Angelika] I wanted him dead, and now he's gone. 582 00:30:17,690 --> 00:30:19,190 And I'm okay with that. 583 00:30:19,609 --> 00:30:21,149 [Angelika clears throat] 584 00:30:21,236 --> 00:30:22,566 [Angelika] I'm okay with that. 585 00:30:29,744 --> 00:30:31,504 [knocking, door opens] 586 00:30:34,082 --> 00:30:35,082 Stand up. 587 00:30:36,501 --> 00:30:39,461 [Angelika] You don't expect anything like that happening. 588 00:30:39,963 --> 00:30:41,673 I didn't know I was a suspect. 589 00:30:41,756 --> 00:30:44,006 That was never in my mind. 590 00:30:44,092 --> 00:30:46,802 Not until they put the cuffs on me. I didn't know that. 591 00:30:55,895 --> 00:30:58,565 [keys jangling] 592 00:31:00,650 --> 00:31:02,690 Oddly enough, I got a phone call. 593 00:31:02,777 --> 00:31:06,157 The exact words were, "They arrested your kayak chick for murder," 594 00:31:06,239 --> 00:31:09,079 and I'm like, "Shut up." And they're like, "Yeah." And I'm like, "Really?" 595 00:31:13,329 --> 00:31:16,079 [reporter 1] A love story that police say ended in murder. 596 00:31:16,165 --> 00:31:18,375 [reporter 2] Tonight, the fiancée of a missing kayaker 597 00:31:18,459 --> 00:31:20,419 is charged in his death. 598 00:31:20,712 --> 00:31:24,722 This case took on a life of its own in the media. 599 00:31:25,633 --> 00:31:29,433 Because this was a murder charge, it was very unusual. 600 00:31:29,512 --> 00:31:31,262 Like, pulling a plug from a kayak. 601 00:31:31,347 --> 00:31:33,467 No one had really seen this before. 602 00:31:33,558 --> 00:31:35,268 It turned into a media circus. 603 00:31:35,351 --> 00:31:38,941 Well, prosecutors maintain that Angelika Graswald pulled the plug... 604 00:31:39,022 --> 00:31:41,732 Pulled the plug on the drain hole in the rear, 605 00:31:41,816 --> 00:31:44,066 allowing water to enter more easily... 606 00:31:44,152 --> 00:31:47,322 [reporter] They did say she made statements she was relieved Viafore died. 607 00:31:48,531 --> 00:31:51,451 The so-called Kayak Killer, Angelika Graswald, 608 00:31:51,534 --> 00:31:53,164 admitted to killing her fiancé, 609 00:31:53,244 --> 00:31:55,714 but a legal loophole still makes her eligible 610 00:31:55,788 --> 00:31:58,498 to cash out on his life insurance policy. 611 00:32:01,085 --> 00:32:03,335 [Mary Ann] She knew about the insurance policy, 612 00:32:03,421 --> 00:32:05,341 so maybe she thought... 613 00:32:06,466 --> 00:32:10,796 that, you know, "I can get some money and be on my own." 614 00:32:12,305 --> 00:32:15,385 My daughter and myself, the three of us were on it. 615 00:32:16,017 --> 00:32:19,267 It was a big chunk of money that she would have gotten. 616 00:32:20,855 --> 00:32:22,935 You're engaged to be married. 617 00:32:23,024 --> 00:32:25,784 You're starting to set up your life together. 618 00:32:26,069 --> 00:32:28,949 And if anyone was going to murder somebody, 619 00:32:29,030 --> 00:32:30,620 you would do it for millions. 620 00:32:30,698 --> 00:32:32,578 Millions! [laughs] 621 00:32:32,659 --> 00:32:34,739 If you're gonna get murdered... 622 00:32:34,827 --> 00:32:36,157 Oh, God. 623 00:32:36,245 --> 00:32:38,365 She didn't murder him at all. 624 00:32:38,456 --> 00:32:40,576 It was an accident on the river. 625 00:32:42,585 --> 00:32:43,705 [phone ringing] 626 00:32:44,504 --> 00:32:46,594 [dispatcher] 911, where is the emergency? 627 00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:51,800 [man] I'm not sure it's an emergency, but I'm just south of Newburgh in my boat 628 00:32:51,886 --> 00:32:53,926 and there's a body floating in the water. 629 00:32:55,181 --> 00:32:56,981 [dispatcher] Do you have a buoy number? 630 00:32:57,725 --> 00:32:59,305 [man] Let me see. 631 00:33:01,187 --> 00:33:03,767 It's just south of what's called Bannerman's Island. 632 00:33:05,650 --> 00:33:08,610 I think the state police found... 633 00:33:09,654 --> 00:33:13,744 five people in the water looking for my son. 634 00:33:14,492 --> 00:33:17,952 So every time they found somebody, you know, we would... 635 00:33:18,538 --> 00:33:19,578 "Is it Vinny?" 636 00:33:19,664 --> 00:33:24,294 And it wasn't until May 23rd. 637 00:33:24,377 --> 00:33:28,167 Evidently, a fisherman saw a body near Bannerman's Island. 638 00:33:29,257 --> 00:33:30,757 [dispatcher] And it's a body, correct? 639 00:33:31,134 --> 00:33:33,594 [man] It's a body, yeah. It's floating in the water. It's-- 640 00:33:33,678 --> 00:33:36,718 -[dispatcher] Is it a male or a female? -[man] It looks like it's a male. 641 00:33:36,806 --> 00:33:39,636 [dispatcher] Can you give me a clothing description, if there's any? 642 00:33:39,726 --> 00:33:42,476 [man] Kind of tan pants and, like, a dark shirt. 643 00:33:42,895 --> 00:33:44,305 A lot of algae on 'em. 644 00:33:47,108 --> 00:33:50,358 Because of what he was wearing, 645 00:33:50,445 --> 00:33:51,945 they thought it was him. 646 00:33:52,363 --> 00:33:56,953 But they had to use the dental records, and they took my DNA just to make sure. 647 00:33:57,952 --> 00:33:59,252 And it was. 648 00:34:00,246 --> 00:34:01,246 It was him. 649 00:34:04,584 --> 00:34:06,174 [reporter] The state police were patrolling the waters 650 00:34:06,252 --> 00:34:09,552 off West Point on Saturday when they discovered Viafore's body. 651 00:34:09,630 --> 00:34:13,800 By that time, he had been inside the Hudson River for more than a month. 652 00:34:13,885 --> 00:34:17,675 The Orange County DA won't comment on the condition of the body. 653 00:34:17,764 --> 00:34:21,234 Toxicology tests are underway to determine the cause of death. 654 00:34:27,398 --> 00:34:30,898 This is Jennifer Roman, dictating case OC-15. 655 00:34:32,612 --> 00:34:36,662 Also present, senior investigator with the New York State Police. 656 00:34:40,161 --> 00:34:41,371 [camera shutter clicking] 657 00:34:42,789 --> 00:34:44,119 [camera shutter clicking] 658 00:34:44,207 --> 00:34:48,627 I hereby certify that I, Jennifer Roman, Orange County Acting Medical Examiner, 659 00:34:48,711 --> 00:34:50,881 performed an autopsy on the body of Vincent Viafore. 660 00:34:50,963 --> 00:34:53,093 Final diagnosis: numeral one drowning. 661 00:34:53,174 --> 00:34:55,434 Letter A: body recovered from water. 662 00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:58,680 Letter B: pulmonary congestion and edema with hyperinflation. 663 00:35:00,389 --> 00:35:03,389 [Richard] They fully examined him, inside and out, 664 00:35:03,476 --> 00:35:07,476 and they did not find any foul play. 665 00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:10,570 [man] The coroner's report 666 00:35:10,650 --> 00:35:13,070 says that the cause of death was drowning 667 00:35:13,152 --> 00:35:16,662 due to plug being removed by some other person. 668 00:35:17,573 --> 00:35:21,413 The medical examiner relied on speculation from police. 669 00:35:21,494 --> 00:35:22,794 Does that wash? 670 00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:25,120 [woman] This is absolutely ridiculous. 671 00:35:25,206 --> 00:35:29,166 There's no way for this coroner to be able to determine whether or not, 672 00:35:29,252 --> 00:35:31,252 medically, this was a homicide. 673 00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:34,420 I don't know. Yeah. 674 00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:37,513 I remember seeing it and going, "Oh, my God. 675 00:35:37,593 --> 00:35:38,723 You've got to be kidding me." 676 00:35:40,054 --> 00:35:42,604 [reporter] Accused kayak killer Angelika Graswald 677 00:35:42,682 --> 00:35:44,272 isn't talking much these days. 678 00:35:44,350 --> 00:35:45,480 Graswald, meanwhile, 679 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,730 who is a foreign national holding a Latvian passport, 680 00:35:48,813 --> 00:35:54,153 remains behind bars on a crushing bail of $3 million cash, $9 million bond. 681 00:35:54,235 --> 00:35:57,775 Her lawyer says she'll likely stay in jail until the trial. 682 00:36:00,032 --> 00:36:01,532 [Angelika] When they put me in jail, 683 00:36:01,784 --> 00:36:04,834 I was so tired. Like, I think the first two days in jail, 684 00:36:04,912 --> 00:36:05,912 I just slept. 685 00:36:06,247 --> 00:36:10,327 I even passed out in a peanut butter sandwich in a waiting room. 686 00:36:11,752 --> 00:36:14,132 For the longest time, I thought, "Okay, 687 00:36:14,213 --> 00:36:15,883 I'm gonna be out of here. 688 00:36:15,965 --> 00:36:18,045 There's no way they're gonna put me away. 689 00:36:18,134 --> 00:36:20,144 They can't 'cause I didn't do anything." 690 00:36:20,469 --> 00:36:22,469 But as the time went by, 691 00:36:22,555 --> 00:36:24,595 and I was there for so long, 692 00:36:24,682 --> 00:36:28,522 I just started to think that... 693 00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:31,770 "Well, they can actually put me away." 694 00:36:38,196 --> 00:36:40,526 [Richard] Imagine an entire defense team. 695 00:36:41,073 --> 00:36:43,913 Three lawyers, two investigators, four experts 696 00:36:43,993 --> 00:36:46,623 are funneling towards this moment. 697 00:36:46,913 --> 00:36:48,963 -Good afternoon, everyone. -Good afternoon, Judge. 698 00:36:49,457 --> 00:36:51,497 [Angelika] The trial, I dreaded. 699 00:36:52,543 --> 00:36:54,463 I didn't want to put Vince's family through that, 700 00:36:54,545 --> 00:36:55,955 or my family through that. 701 00:36:56,047 --> 00:36:57,667 I wanted nothing to do with that. 702 00:36:57,757 --> 00:37:00,007 I just wanted to be done. 703 00:37:01,052 --> 00:37:03,512 [Richard] The prosecution starts to pressure us 704 00:37:03,596 --> 00:37:05,176 to resolve it without a trial. 705 00:37:05,932 --> 00:37:08,142 So we were able to craft a plea, you know, 706 00:37:08,226 --> 00:37:12,056 and the plea would be to criminally negligent homicide. 707 00:37:12,146 --> 00:37:12,976 He told me... 708 00:37:13,940 --> 00:37:16,980 "It's either this or we go to trial." 709 00:37:17,485 --> 00:37:19,895 I talked to my family. I prayed about it. 710 00:37:21,489 --> 00:37:22,779 Twenty-five to life. 711 00:37:23,449 --> 00:37:26,989 Imagine that being told to you. 712 00:37:27,536 --> 00:37:28,576 What do you do? 713 00:37:28,663 --> 00:37:31,833 You take the least out of both evils. 714 00:37:33,084 --> 00:37:37,884 Angelika Graswald has been here in Orange County Jail for more than two years 715 00:37:37,964 --> 00:37:41,554 and now that plea deal could get her released on time served. 716 00:37:42,009 --> 00:37:44,219 [man] You have removed the plug from his kayak 717 00:37:44,303 --> 00:37:46,763 at some point prior to April 19th. Correct? 718 00:37:47,139 --> 00:37:48,019 Yes. 719 00:37:48,891 --> 00:37:51,891 [man] As Vincent attempted to kayak back across the Hudson River, 720 00:37:51,978 --> 00:37:54,228 he struggled in his kayak. Correct? 721 00:37:54,981 --> 00:37:55,821 Yes. 722 00:37:56,565 --> 00:37:59,605 [man] His kayak took on water and began to sink. Correct? 723 00:38:00,861 --> 00:38:01,741 Yes. 724 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,450 [man] His kayak took on water because of the plug being out 725 00:38:05,533 --> 00:38:07,743 and the conditions of the river. Correct? 726 00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:08,949 Yes. 727 00:38:09,412 --> 00:38:11,872 [man] As his kayak continued to take on water, 728 00:38:11,956 --> 00:38:14,916 he entered the river and was out of his kayak. Correct? 729 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,170 [Richard] Can we have a second? 730 00:38:17,503 --> 00:38:18,803 Can we have a second, please? 731 00:38:20,881 --> 00:38:22,471 [judge] You pled to something, 732 00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:26,140 not necessarily an intentional act that you committed, 733 00:38:26,220 --> 00:38:29,890 but you certainly knew how to end unsatisfactory relationships 734 00:38:29,974 --> 00:38:33,444 in a manner that would be socially and legally acceptable. 735 00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:36,019 You could have walked out on Vinny if you were unhappy. 736 00:38:36,731 --> 00:38:39,901 It just shows that you are the kind of person... 737 00:38:40,359 --> 00:38:44,319 You certainly have a lack of understanding of other people's feelings. 738 00:38:44,780 --> 00:38:48,490 It appears to me you have an excessive need for admiration... 739 00:38:49,285 --> 00:38:53,535 and Mr. Viafore was the unnecessary victim of that. 740 00:38:55,166 --> 00:38:55,996 [Angelika] Judge Freehill. 741 00:38:57,752 --> 00:38:59,842 I don't like to speak bad about anyone, 742 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:03,090 but he was very mean to me that day. 743 00:39:03,174 --> 00:39:06,344 He just put me down, and I was, like, 744 00:39:06,969 --> 00:39:09,759 "Wow. That's what you really think of me?" 745 00:39:09,847 --> 00:39:11,137 I never stood a chance. 746 00:39:11,223 --> 00:39:14,893 If I went to trial with him in the judge seat, 747 00:39:14,977 --> 00:39:16,437 I would have been put away. 748 00:39:17,063 --> 00:39:19,233 Judge laid into Angelika Graswald 749 00:39:19,315 --> 00:39:21,935 before sentencing her to four years in prison. 750 00:39:22,026 --> 00:39:25,236 Four years for taking someone's life? No way. 751 00:39:25,696 --> 00:39:29,026 My son was a good man, and everybody loved him, 752 00:39:29,116 --> 00:39:30,866 and we miss him very much. 753 00:39:41,545 --> 00:39:45,755 [Angelika] We are in a Christian camp where I live. 754 00:39:48,260 --> 00:39:51,890 This is one of the cabins that is called a hideout, 755 00:39:51,972 --> 00:39:54,772 and I come out here to just be alone, 756 00:39:55,351 --> 00:39:56,441 be with God. 757 00:39:58,521 --> 00:40:01,151 Having faith is what got me through this. 758 00:40:04,777 --> 00:40:09,157 Thinking back when the interrogation was happening, just the thought 759 00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:14,160 that I could have gotten up and left at any point never crossed my mind. 760 00:40:14,245 --> 00:40:16,575 I never thought that I could just leave. 761 00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:21,379 I thought that by speaking and telling them everything that I knew 762 00:40:21,460 --> 00:40:22,880 or I could tell them, 763 00:40:22,962 --> 00:40:25,802 that I would just clear it up, I wouldn't need a lawyer, 764 00:40:25,881 --> 00:40:28,301 and I would just be free. 765 00:40:28,384 --> 00:40:29,474 But... [laughs] 766 00:40:29,552 --> 00:40:31,222 Boy, was I naive! 60155

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