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[radio chatter]
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[man] You have something to tell methat you're hiding from me.
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[woman] Okay.
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[man] And it's upsetting mebecause you're...
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a beautiful girl, okay?
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What happened out thereI don't believe was an accident.
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Deep down in your heart, Angelika,
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did you want to kill him?
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-No.
-Deep down?
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I'm not gonna judge youfor anything you tell me.
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It's between me and you right now,all right?
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[Angelika] Deep down...
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I wanted him gone.
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[phone ringing]
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[dispatcher] 911, where is your emergency?
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[Angelika] I'm in the Hudson River.
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My fiancé flipped over.
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He's in the water right now.
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-[dispatcher] What's your name?-Angelika.
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-Stay on the phone with me, okay?
-[Angelika] I can't get to him.
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It's very windyand the waves are coming in
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and I can't paddle to him.
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He's getting further and further away.
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He's gonna drown.
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-Please call somebody.
-[dispatcher] We've got help on the way.
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[male dispatcher] 411,
respond down to the Hudson River.
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[Angelika] Hold on, baby!
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Oh, my God.
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[Angelika yells]
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[dispatcher] Try to calm down some, okay?
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-[Angelika] I don't see him anymore.
-All right, Angelika?
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[Angelika] He's lost.
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[dispatcher] You don't see him?
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[Angelika] Oh, my God.
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[distant sirens blaring]
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[man] On Sunday evening, April 19th,
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Angelika Graswald contacted 911,
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and she reported that her fiancé,
Vincent Viafore's kayak capsized
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due to choppy waters
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and she could not locate him in the river.
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She made statements
that implicated herself in this crime.
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However, absent his body,
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there's a lot of work
that remains to be done.
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[woman] The narrative
that was coming out was that she...
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kind of planned this whole thing,
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that she took him out
and planned to kill him.
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[man 2] Prosecutors say Graswald
admitted to tampering
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with Viafore's kayak by pulling
his drainage plug, similar to this.
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That would cause the kayak
to fill with water, causing it to capsize.
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[officer] By taking that plug out,you killed Vinny.
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Correct?
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[Angelika] Correct.
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[officer] And you wantedthat to happen, correct?
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[Angelika] Correct.
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She really trusted
the New York State Police,
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and she felt like
these men were out to help her.
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But they thought that she was here
from this poor Eastern Bloc country
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to marry an American
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and kill him and inherit his money,
and she was like this black widow.
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[woman] They were trying to paint her
as the villain
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because she didn't seem
like a grieving girlfriend.
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She didn't seem like a grieving fiancée.
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I don't think she could have planned it,
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but I still have doubts. Yes, I do.
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[thunder rumbles]
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[woman 2] The relationship
was not perfect.
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So I did feel a certain sense of relief...
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after...
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everything happened.
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[Angelika] We met at a bar.
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It was just instant connection.
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Just a laid-back, cool, down-to-earth guy.
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Very cheerful, very social.
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Anything you would want.
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We actually both had been married twice
and no children.
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But he loved children.
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He was great with them.
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You know how it melts your heart
when you see your guy with a kid?
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It was like that.
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But we also had a lot of friction and...
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fighting and misunderstanding.
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[Angelika] Bannerman's Island
reminds me of Europe.
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That's why I kind of
fell in love with it instantly.
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What took my breath away mostly
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was the view of the Hudson from there.
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The southern side,
like, the mountains coming in,
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and then just the river.
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It's just stunning.
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I can't explain it.
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We wanted to get married there.
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We wanted to take our wedding pictures
by the arsenal.
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[woman] Angelika was one of our volunteers
on the island.
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She was always very happy, very friendly,
very helpful.
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She would always volunteer to do
anything that needed to be done.
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My husband and I,
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we have a telescope
that happens to be aimed
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at the island so we can clearly see it
from our window.
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The day that this happened,
Wes happened to be looking out
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and noticed two people on the dock.
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You could see that it was getting rough,
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and it was cold. I mean, it was
April 19th, so the water was...
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maybe upper 30s?
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They say five minutes in that temperature
would lead to hypothermia,
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that you could not physically move
your hands or your legs.
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I don't see how she could have helped him,
even if she wanted to.
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[man] I was actually
off that day, honestly,
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and I got a phone call and asked
if I wanted to come in and work overtime.
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My dispatcher said,
"Don't get too comfortable.
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We have an overturned kayak in the river."
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We made our way to the shoreline.
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After several minutes,
they were able to pick a woman,
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a female, out of the water,
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later identified as Angelika Graswald.
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Her fiancé, he's missing.
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He went under,
and that was the last we saw of him.
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She sat on a gurney at that point
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and then started getting
attended to medically.
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As I'm sitting there looking at her,
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she seemed just emotionless.
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She wasn't crying,
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she wasn't smiling, she wasn't...
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Didn't seem sad.
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She seemed very emotionless to me,
which was odd to me.
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[interviewer] Have you heard the 911 call?
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Yes.
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She seemed awfully calm to me.
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For somebody whose boyfriend just went
over and, you know, is drowning,
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she seemed awfully calm.
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I don't know. There was a space of time
between the time they left
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and the time the 911 call was made
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and... I don't know.
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It might have been longer
than it should have been.
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From Bannerman's Island to Plum Point
would be about a half hour.
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It's only a mile.
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Angelika sent me a text message
around 7:04.
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The 911 call was made at 7:40,
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and that's 36 minutes,
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and they weren't all the way across,
either, when this happened.
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So she's thinking,
"Okay, he went in the river
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and let's just sit here and wait
a few minutes before we call for help."
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Could have been ten minutes.
Could have been 15 minutes.
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You know, it just makes you wonder.
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Talking to the state police investigators,
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they really believe
that it was premeditated.
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Even my nephew said,
"There's something wrong.
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Uh, she... I think she did something."
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Vinny brought Angelika to my home.
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I wasn't very impressed.
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You can tell sometimes
when a person is warm.
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You know,
they have that kind of personality,
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and, uh, I don't really think
she had that.
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I found out later
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that the relationship was very tumultuous,
you know.
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They would go back and forth.
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Being his mother,
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he doesn't always tell you everything.
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So there's a lot of things I didn't know
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and I found out after everything happened.
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On the day that it happened,
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Vinny sent a text to his sister,
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letting her know that
he was going kayaking with Angelika.
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So that was very, very odd
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because he'd never done that before.
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He said what time they were leaving
and what time they should be home.
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But, um...
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But he never came home.
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I don't know what she did,
but I believe she did something...
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to cause his death.
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[man] We have a state police marine unit
in the water right now.
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They have side-scanning sonar.
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When the water is this rough,
it's very difficult to operate
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and keep your grid line searches.
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And probably have to call it here
in a little bit,
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and then we'll be back out tomorrow
if the weather turns.
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[man 2] I was completely crushed,
along with everybody else
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'cause everyone had been looking
on the Hudson River,
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hoping Vinny was, you know, maybe
unconscious or just out there.
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And you don't know whether or not
he's alive or dead 'cause no one knew.
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Vinny was probably
the greatest human being I've ever met.
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He'd walk in a room,
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something like out of Goodfellas,
the movie. He'd be like Jimmy the Gent.
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When he walked into a room, the whole--
you were just attracted to Vinny.
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See, now, this is the strange part.
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People grieve differently,
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but Angelika,
the day after he was missing,
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she posted on social media
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a photograph of her doing shots.
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And that's when I was like,
"What is going on here?"
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And then, like, the third day,
she's doing cartwheels.
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[woman] Woo!
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Yay!
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[Angelika]
Well, I felt like I had to put on...
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a face.
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I don't know if it's just my culture,
my background,
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you know, not showing your emotions.
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But I felt like I needed
to hold it together...
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for others.
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I just behaved
the way I-- the best I knew how.
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It was wrong, in public's opinion, but...
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that's me.
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[woman] It was Wednesday.
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All the gardeners are together.
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Angelika was on the dock,
getting ready to come on up.
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She seemed down.
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She said, "Yes, I'm feeling very bad."
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And to my surprise,
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there was a bunch of policemen
coming up on the island as well.
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At this point, it's April 29th,
so it's ten days after Vince goes missing.
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They do not have a body.
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They don't know truly the cause of death.
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Waiting for her on the island
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was a pack of wolves
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and their names were DaSilva,
Moscato and DeQuarto.
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They swore up and down
that this was a coincidence,
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and that they weren't there for her,
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and that they were on the island
kind of just like looking for clues.
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It was comical.
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We have photos that they took
on the island,
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and they were there posing together,
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like, embracing each other,
taking selfies.
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In one picture, Investigator Moscato
was faking reaching down
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and collecting a piece of evidence.
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He was posing. He looked like OJ.
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Really, he looked like OJ.
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[Joyce] As I was sitting on the ground
doing my gardening,
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I did hear one gentleman,
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a very loud voice, strong.
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He said, "It's your turn,
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and get that bitch to tell you the story."
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They were taking turns at questioning her,
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to the point that she would
break down and cry.
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So that was kind of scary,
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knowing the interrogation was happening
right in front of our eyes.
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[Richard] At this point,
she's had no grief counseling.
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She's had no one to talk to.
Hadn't slept in days.
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So Investigator DeQuarto takes up the role
of kind of a therapist.
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She says, "Well, the plug was out,"
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and it caused her incredible stress.
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He's like, "What do you mean?"
He has no idea what she's talking about.
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Investigator DeQuarto doesn't even know
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where it was located on the vessel.
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He thinks it's at the bottom.
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So, in his mind,
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when she says, "The plug was out,"
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he thinks that she confessed
to killing Vince,
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to taking the plug out with the intention
that he'd drown and die.
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Well, I knew it wasn't in,
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and I remember telling Vince about it
when we got on the water.
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I remember being, like, mad at him
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for not paying attention
that it was missing.
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It was his kayak, his equipment.
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He should have taken care of it,
but he didn't, and I should have...
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done that for him
because I knew he was forgetful.
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But I didn't, so I felt guilty
and conflicted about it.
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Well, they asked me
to come to barracks with them.
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They said, "Would you come down
and give us a statement?"
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I'm like, "Sure. No problem."
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I didn't think anything of it.
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-[DeQuarto] So we had a good discussion.
-[Angelika] We did.
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-[DeQuarto] I think you feel a lot better.
-Yeah, I do.
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-[DeQuarto] It's therapy for you.
-Of course.
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-[DeQuarto] You'll feel better.
-[Angelika] You will too.
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-May I sit closer?-Absolutely. Come on in.
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[Angelika] I don't know.
He just made me feel comfortable,
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and I thought that I could open up to him.
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I couldn't talk to anybody else about it.
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And, you know, you just go through
a million things in your mind.
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You think and you blame yourself,
you blame somebody else,
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you blame him, you're angry at him,
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you're angry at yourself.
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All of that. The whole...
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cocktail of feelings and emotions.
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I went through it all.
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So when he offered,
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when he said the word "therapy,"
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I was like, "Okay, maybe this is it.
Maybe this is the outlet.
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Maybe I could open up and get it
off my chest, like they want me to."
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[DeQuarto] So we're gonna startfrom your relationship with Vinny.
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[Angelika] Hm-mm.
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[Angelika] Just like any couple,we had our issues.
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-[DeQuarto] And what issues would that be?
-[Angelika] Um...
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He kept pushing me.
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[DeQuarto] What do you meanhe was pushing?
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[Angelika] He pushed for everything.He pushed for sex, for sexual stuff.
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-[DeQuarto] Okay. He always wanted sex?-Yeah.
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[DeQuarto] Sexual things?
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[Angelika] Well, yeah.He wanted threesomes, porno, everything.
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-[DeQuarto] Okay.-And I was not ready.
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Well, kind of very early
into the relationship,
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he just had certain requests.
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And I was willing
to do some things, but...
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other things made me very uncomfortable,*
and I didn't want to do them.
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He was obsessed.
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He would text me daily.
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Things like...
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a certain pornographic image or something,
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and he would be thinking of me
in that form,
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and I would be, like, disgusted by it.
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So, yeah, I felt like there was
a battle going on within me.
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I wanted to please him and make him happy,
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and at the same time, I didn't want
to do what he asked me to do.
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[interviewer] Did he ever
force himself on you?
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Yeah, he did.
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[rain tapping on roof]
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[sighs]
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[whispers] Excuse me.
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[sighs]
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[switch clicks]
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He pushed you past your breaking point,didn't he?
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Yeah.
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How did it make you feel?
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I was angry.
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-Very angry?-Yeah.
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[DeQuarto] So why didn't youjust break up with him?
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'Cause I loved him. I wanted a kid.I wanted a family.
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I wanted all of it.
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[DeQuarto] And you love him a lot.I see that.
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But when you watched him
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in the water...
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[static]
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...was a part of you saying,"My worries are gone away now"?
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-Yeah.-"And I'm free"?
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-Yeah.-And were you almost...
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-[Angelika] Euphoric?-Euphoric that he was gonna be gone?
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I do. I did.
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-You felt that way?-Yeah.
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I still do.
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[Richard] This was Investigator DeQuarto's
first homicide.
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He was absolutely fixated on her
as having been a killer.
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To me, he wanted
to make a murder out of this.
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You know exactly what took place,
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and that's all I'm trying to get at
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so I can say, "Listen, this girl felt likea trapped person.
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She..."
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[Angelika]
Dealt with a lot of anger issues.
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[DeQuarto] "She was forced to do things
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that she did not want to do,
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and this is why this took place,"
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and I can explain that.
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[DeQuarto] You need to be honest with me.
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Did you intentionally take that plug outbecause you wanted to set yourself free?
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[Angelika] Could be.
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[DeQuarto] Could be or yes?
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[Angelika] Well, it's psychological.I'm just trying to understand...
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myself, like how and why would I do that.
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[DeQuarto] Right.
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[static]
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I didn't want anybody hurt.
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I never would want anybody hurt.
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[DeQuarto] Right.
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So why do you feel guilt?
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Because of that thought that I had.
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[DeQuarto] That you--
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[Angelika] That I wanted to be free,
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-that I wanted him to be gone.-Okay.
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So I feel guilty about that.
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[DeQuarto] That's understandable.
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[Richard] Investigator DeQuarto,
his ultimate goal was to convince her
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that, subconsciously,
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she had taken the plug out to kill Vince.
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[birds chirping]
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[man] Most of the headlines alluded
to "killing fiancé with kayak,"
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and that's really what
caught my attention.
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I was like, "Hm, how do you kill someone
with a kayak?"
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I started working with Richard Portale
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and the defense team, specifically around
the mechanics of paddle sport,
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boat design and how boats work
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in complex environments
like the Hudson River.
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In the Graswald case,
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if we're hinging
on intentionally removing the drain plug
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so that water would
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come in through this part of the boat,
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that would be a really complex
way to kill someone.
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To...
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build a plan around something
that is about a half-inch in diameter,
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that's like a James Bond villain plan,
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like sharks with laser beams
on their head-type plan.
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Um, because so many things
have to be constructively aligned
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in order to achieve an outcome.
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So, as I'm paddling,
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just look at the distance
of the drain plug...
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to the water.
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The prosecution, they were really
sticking to the drain plug
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as their primary angle.
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And so there's a lot of video footage.
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They were trying to show
that you could sink a boat
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by removing the drain plug.
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[man 1] Camera's recording.
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-[whistle blows]
-[man 2] Go!
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One video was a varietyof different-sized people
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really aggressively paddling
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in order to get the stern to submerge.
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[man] Start.
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[man] No, no, no.
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No, we didn't...
I'm gonna say, "Ready, set, go."
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[Todd] Looking at that footage,
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my gut response was,
"Wow, they're trying really hard
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to get the stern to go underwater."
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You can get anything to happen
if you try hard enough.
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[engine roars]
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I went on the Hudson, and they had
the powerboat go around,
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and they said, "Let's swamp the boat."
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The cockpit is relatively close
to the water.
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With a little bit of wave action
and a bit of wind,
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waves are gonna come over the deck of
that boat and enter through the cockpit.
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The boat, essentially, is a bathtub.
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There really isn't a bulkhead.
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And if we look sideways,
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we can see very clearly...
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a small wave lapping
is gonna cause water to go into...
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this giant hole.
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[Richard] Vince is not respectful
of the river, so he doesn't have
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any of the safety precautions
that an experienced,
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vigilant kayaker would have.
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So the water is 44.5 degrees that day,
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but Vince doesn't take that
into consideration.
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He doesn't think it's important
to wear a wet suit.
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His kayak, we know,
is designed for a pond.
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This is a recreational kayak.
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If you're expecting whitecaps or waves
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or any kind of turbulence,
it doesn't belong there.
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That's in the manual.
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Vince's kayak has beers
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and a six-pack of water.
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He's got chairs.
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They've got these kayaks weighted down.
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Vince's BAC was 0.066,
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which in New York State
is legally impaired.
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When they set out at four o'clock,
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the weather wasn't bad.
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But around seven, the weather kicks up
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and it really kicks up.
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And at some point, Vince swamps.
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So now he's going very fast,
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being pulled south in the water.
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She's fighting the wind,
dead into the wind,
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and she's being pulled north,
and so they're being pulled apart.
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Our experts...
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So Todd Wright, who is one of the best
kayakers in the world currently,
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said that he would love that.
Like, he would...
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But he wouldn't use that kayak.
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He wouldn't be caught in that kayak.
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But for an inexperienced kayaker
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and someone who is not prepared
with the proper safety equipment,
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it can be deadly, and it was deadly.
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[static]
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Because of the waveswhich started to pick up,I couldn't...
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He startedto come in and out of my vision.
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I started losing sight of him,so I kept paddling.
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[DeQuarto] Okay.
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And then when he yells to you,"I don't think I'm gonna make it,"
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did you call 911 then or--
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No, I called 911when he told me to call 911.
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[Richard] It's a creep.
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You know, it's a slow grind,
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kind of like a Komodo dragon,
you know, hunts a deer,
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like miles and miles and days and days.
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He just kept at her.
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[DeQuarto]
Is that all that happened at that point?
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-[Angelika] Yeah.-Nothing else?
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[Angelika] Nothing else.
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[DeQuarto] And you watched him drown?
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[static]
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-[DeQuarto] I know it's difficult.-No, I didn't just watch him drown.
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I tried to do something about it.
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[Richard] So eventually,
I think he realizes
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that he wasn't getting what he wanted,
and he tagged out.
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You know, he tagged out
to Investigator Skarkas,
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who comes in even more aggressively,
and they were relentless.
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[rustling]
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[man] All right.
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-Angelika...-Hi.
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How you doing? I'm Matt.
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-[Angelika] Nice to meet you.-He works with me.
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[Angelika] Okay.That's your partner?
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One of them. He's one of them.
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[Skarkas] Some of the time framesthat we've talked about don't match up.
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[Angelika] Okay. Which ones?
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[Skarkas sighs]
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From the timeyou leave Bannerman Island...
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-to the time that you make the 911 call.-Okay.
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[Skarkas] All right?
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For that duration of timewhich is, like, about 40 minutes--
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-[Angelika] Oh, it's 40?-Yeah, it's right around there.
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It's long enough...
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for you to be back at Plum Point.
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Did anything happen out there,aside from what you're telling me,
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that there's a delay?
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Did he go under and you wait ten minutes,and then you call 911?
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No, I called 911when he was still holding on.
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[Richard] They thought she killed him.
They just didn't know how.
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The theory was that she let him drown,
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and she didn't do anything to save him,
and she just watched him go,
494
00:26:04,229 --> 00:26:05,609
but if that's the case,
495
00:26:05,689 --> 00:26:08,649
she would have been recovered
well north of Plum Point.
496
00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:14,780
[Skarkas] Did you pull the oar away?Did you pull the kayak away?
497
00:26:14,864 --> 00:26:15,914
[Angelika] No.
498
00:26:15,991 --> 00:26:18,081
I didn't pull the kayak or oar away.
499
00:26:19,619 --> 00:26:21,159
[Skarkas] But there's nothing else?
500
00:26:21,246 --> 00:26:23,666
-No.-There's not gonna be any type of a drug,
501
00:26:23,748 --> 00:26:25,748
anything that you would haveput into a drink,
502
00:26:25,834 --> 00:26:28,174
food, anything like thatthat we're gonna find in there?
503
00:26:28,253 --> 00:26:30,713
I have sleeping pillsthat my doctor prescribed,
504
00:26:30,797 --> 00:26:32,667
but I haven't touched them.
505
00:26:32,757 --> 00:26:35,797
Okay. You didn't crush any upand put them inside any of his drinks,
506
00:26:35,885 --> 00:26:37,095
-nothing like---That was after.
507
00:26:37,178 --> 00:26:39,388
-They gave me those sleeping pills.-Okay.
508
00:26:39,472 --> 00:26:41,642
I just picked them up yesterday, actually.
509
00:26:50,817 --> 00:26:52,817
[mechanical whirring]
510
00:26:54,946 --> 00:26:56,566
[Angelika]
When you are in a room like that
511
00:26:56,656 --> 00:26:59,486
and you have no windows, no sense of time,
512
00:26:59,576 --> 00:27:01,286
they take everything from you,
513
00:27:01,828 --> 00:27:05,038
plus not sleeping
for several days prior to that,
514
00:27:05,123 --> 00:27:08,253
I was exhausted. I was stressed out.
515
00:27:09,586 --> 00:27:11,836
I was not in a right state of mind.
516
00:27:11,921 --> 00:27:14,261
I was... lost.
517
00:27:16,593 --> 00:27:18,473
Just the setting of,
518
00:27:18,553 --> 00:27:20,763
"Oh, you can't leave the room by yourself.
519
00:27:20,847 --> 00:27:23,847
You can't go to the bathroom by yourself.
You'll be escorted."
520
00:27:23,933 --> 00:27:27,523
And I had my period happening
at that time,
521
00:27:27,604 --> 00:27:29,614
so I kind of needed a bathroom.
522
00:27:31,149 --> 00:27:32,279
And they...
523
00:27:32,776 --> 00:27:34,316
didn't care. [chuckles]
524
00:27:34,402 --> 00:27:35,702
They just kept pushing
525
00:27:35,779 --> 00:27:37,569
and pressuring and trying to get out of me
526
00:27:37,656 --> 00:27:39,946
and squeeze out of me
everything they could.
527
00:27:46,206 --> 00:27:47,666
-Angelika?-Yes?
528
00:27:47,749 --> 00:27:48,829
[Richard] So, at that point,
529
00:27:48,917 --> 00:27:52,797
they have executed search warrants
of the apartment.
530
00:27:52,879 --> 00:27:54,709
They have her in the interrogation room.
531
00:27:54,798 --> 00:27:56,048
They do not have a body.
532
00:27:56,132 --> 00:27:58,932
They don't know truly the cause of death,
533
00:27:59,010 --> 00:28:01,720
and they now come to realize
that there's a gun missing.
534
00:28:02,681 --> 00:28:04,851
[DeQuarto] In the house,Vinny had guns, right?
535
00:28:04,933 --> 00:28:05,773
[Angelika] Yes.
536
00:28:05,850 --> 00:28:07,890
[DeQuarto] Do you know specificallywhat type of guns they were?
537
00:28:07,977 --> 00:28:08,847
[Angelika] No.
538
00:28:09,729 --> 00:28:12,609
[DeQuarto] Okay,'cause there's one gun that's missing.
539
00:28:13,358 --> 00:28:15,688
There's magazines for itand bullets for it,
540
00:28:15,777 --> 00:28:17,027
but the gun's not there.
541
00:28:18,863 --> 00:28:20,413
-[Angelika] What do you mean?-[DeQuarto] I don't know.
542
00:28:20,490 --> 00:28:22,620
I'm asking, did you knowwhere that one gun might be?
543
00:28:22,701 --> 00:28:24,451
Have you seen all of his guns?
544
00:28:24,536 --> 00:28:26,406
-[Angelika] No, I haven't.-[DeQuarto] No?
545
00:28:26,913 --> 00:28:28,833
They really thought that she shot him,
546
00:28:29,666 --> 00:28:33,376
and they believed that
when they did find Vince's body,
547
00:28:33,461 --> 00:28:37,131
he was going to have a gunshot wound
somewhere on his body.
548
00:28:38,174 --> 00:28:40,804
[Skarkas] Okay, you're lying to me,and you're lying to yourself
549
00:28:40,885 --> 00:28:45,845
because you still will not come outand say what we know to be true.
550
00:28:45,932 --> 00:28:47,682
[Angelika] I don't want to admit...
551
00:28:48,226 --> 00:28:50,146
that I killed him.
552
00:28:51,229 --> 00:28:53,019
[Skarkas] Okay. I understand that.
553
00:28:53,106 --> 00:28:54,606
-[Angelika] Okay.-But you did.
554
00:28:55,817 --> 00:28:57,817
When you say, "I want to be free,"
555
00:28:57,902 --> 00:29:00,362
you're not going to be free of any of this
556
00:29:00,739 --> 00:29:03,159
until you admit you killed Vinny.
557
00:29:03,575 --> 00:29:05,905
You took that plug out to kill him.
558
00:29:05,994 --> 00:29:08,584
-[Angelika] Can you lower your voice?-I just have a big mouth, sorry.
559
00:29:08,663 --> 00:29:09,503
[Angelika] I do too.
560
00:29:09,914 --> 00:29:11,714
[Skarkas]
I come from a Mediterranean family.
561
00:29:11,791 --> 00:29:12,961
[Angelika mumbles]
562
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,710
[static]
563
00:29:19,632 --> 00:29:20,972
[Angelika] Well, go ahead.
564
00:29:21,509 --> 00:29:23,389
[Skarkas] I want to hear it from you.
565
00:29:25,180 --> 00:29:26,770
To me, personally,
566
00:29:26,848 --> 00:29:31,308
it was just the constant
repetition of questions
567
00:29:31,394 --> 00:29:35,364
and going over it and over it
and over it and...
568
00:29:35,982 --> 00:29:38,232
just, again, pressure.
569
00:29:38,693 --> 00:29:40,783
I don't deal well with pressure. [laughs]
570
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,120
I guess.
571
00:29:46,659 --> 00:29:47,949
[Skarkas] You killed Vinny.
572
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:51,659
Right?
573
00:29:53,416 --> 00:29:54,246
[inaudible]
574
00:29:54,334 --> 00:29:57,714
-No, I'm asking you the question--
-You want me to admit it.
575
00:29:57,796 --> 00:29:59,916
[Skarkas] I want you to tell me the truth.
576
00:30:00,340 --> 00:30:03,010
-I am telling you the truth.-What is the answer to that question?
577
00:30:03,092 --> 00:30:05,092
I didn't... I didn't want him...
578
00:30:06,137 --> 00:30:09,717
Angelika, what is the true answerto that question?
579
00:30:10,308 --> 00:30:12,018
[Angelika]
You need your fucking statement.
580
00:30:12,101 --> 00:30:13,191
[Skarkas] What is it?
581
00:30:13,853 --> 00:30:16,313
[Angelika]
I wanted him dead, and now he's gone.
582
00:30:17,690 --> 00:30:19,190
And I'm okay with that.
583
00:30:19,609 --> 00:30:21,149
[Angelika clears throat]
584
00:30:21,236 --> 00:30:22,566
[Angelika] I'm okay with that.
585
00:30:29,744 --> 00:30:31,504
[knocking, door opens]
586
00:30:34,082 --> 00:30:35,082
Stand up.
587
00:30:36,501 --> 00:30:39,461
[Angelika] You don't expect
anything like that happening.
588
00:30:39,963 --> 00:30:41,673
I didn't know I was a suspect.
589
00:30:41,756 --> 00:30:44,006
That was never in my mind.
590
00:30:44,092 --> 00:30:46,802
Not until they put the cuffs on me.
I didn't know that.
591
00:30:55,895 --> 00:30:58,565
[keys jangling]
592
00:31:00,650 --> 00:31:02,690
Oddly enough, I got a phone call.
593
00:31:02,777 --> 00:31:06,157
The exact words were, "They arrested
your kayak chick for murder,"
594
00:31:06,239 --> 00:31:09,079
and I'm like, "Shut up." And they're like,
"Yeah." And I'm like, "Really?"
595
00:31:13,329 --> 00:31:16,079
[reporter 1] A love story that police sayended in murder.
596
00:31:16,165 --> 00:31:18,375
[reporter 2] Tonight, the fiancéeof a missing kayaker
597
00:31:18,459 --> 00:31:20,419
is charged in his death.
598
00:31:20,712 --> 00:31:24,722
This case took on a life of its own
in the media.
599
00:31:25,633 --> 00:31:29,433
Because this was a murder charge,
it was very unusual.
600
00:31:29,512 --> 00:31:31,262
Like, pulling a plug from a kayak.
601
00:31:31,347 --> 00:31:33,467
No one had really seen this before.
602
00:31:33,558 --> 00:31:35,268
It turned into a media circus.
603
00:31:35,351 --> 00:31:38,941
Well, prosecutors maintain
that Angelika Graswald pulled the plug...
604
00:31:39,022 --> 00:31:41,732
Pulled the plug
on the drain hole in the rear,
605
00:31:41,816 --> 00:31:44,066
allowing water to enter more easily...
606
00:31:44,152 --> 00:31:47,322
[reporter] They did say she madestatements she was relieved Viafore died.
607
00:31:48,531 --> 00:31:51,451
The so-called Kayak Killer,
Angelika Graswald,
608
00:31:51,534 --> 00:31:53,164
admitted to killing her fiancé,
609
00:31:53,244 --> 00:31:55,714
but a legal loophole
still makes her eligible
610
00:31:55,788 --> 00:31:58,498
to cash out
on his life insurance policy.
611
00:32:01,085 --> 00:32:03,335
[Mary Ann]
She knew about the insurance policy,
612
00:32:03,421 --> 00:32:05,341
so maybe she thought...
613
00:32:06,466 --> 00:32:10,796
that, you know, "I can get some money
and be on my own."
614
00:32:12,305 --> 00:32:15,385
My daughter and myself,
the three of us were on it.
615
00:32:16,017 --> 00:32:19,267
It was a big chunk of money
that she would have gotten.
616
00:32:20,855 --> 00:32:22,935
You're engaged to be married.
617
00:32:23,024 --> 00:32:25,784
You're starting to set up
your life together.
618
00:32:26,069 --> 00:32:28,949
And if anyone was going
to murder somebody,
619
00:32:29,030 --> 00:32:30,620
you would do it for millions.
620
00:32:30,698 --> 00:32:32,578
Millions! [laughs]
621
00:32:32,659 --> 00:32:34,739
If you're gonna get murdered...
622
00:32:34,827 --> 00:32:36,157
Oh, God.
623
00:32:36,245 --> 00:32:38,365
She didn't murder him at all.
624
00:32:38,456 --> 00:32:40,576
It was an accident on the river.
625
00:32:42,585 --> 00:32:43,705
[phone ringing]
626
00:32:44,504 --> 00:32:46,594
[dispatcher] 911, where is the emergency?
627
00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:51,800
[man] I'm not sure it's an emergency,but I'm just south of Newburgh in my boat
628
00:32:51,886 --> 00:32:53,926
and there's a body floating in the water.
629
00:32:55,181 --> 00:32:56,981
[dispatcher] Do you have a buoy number?
630
00:32:57,725 --> 00:32:59,305
[man] Let me see.
631
00:33:01,187 --> 00:33:03,767
It's just southof what's called Bannerman's Island.
632
00:33:05,650 --> 00:33:08,610
I think the state police found...
633
00:33:09,654 --> 00:33:13,744
five people in the water
looking for my son.
634
00:33:14,492 --> 00:33:17,952
So every time they found somebody,
you know, we would...
635
00:33:18,538 --> 00:33:19,578
"Is it Vinny?"
636
00:33:19,664 --> 00:33:24,294
And it wasn't until May 23rd.
637
00:33:24,377 --> 00:33:28,167
Evidently, a fisherman saw a body
near Bannerman's Island.
638
00:33:29,257 --> 00:33:30,757
[dispatcher] And it's a body, correct?
639
00:33:31,134 --> 00:33:33,594
[man] It's a body, yeah.It's floating in the water. It's--
640
00:33:33,678 --> 00:33:36,718
-[dispatcher] Is it a male or a female?
-[man] It looks like it's a male.
641
00:33:36,806 --> 00:33:39,636
[dispatcher] Can you give mea clothing description, if there's any?
642
00:33:39,726 --> 00:33:42,476
[man] Kind of tan pantsand, like, a dark shirt.
643
00:33:42,895 --> 00:33:44,305
A lot of algae on 'em.
644
00:33:47,108 --> 00:33:50,358
Because of what he was wearing,
645
00:33:50,445 --> 00:33:51,945
they thought it was him.
646
00:33:52,363 --> 00:33:56,953
But they had to use the dental records,
and they took my DNA just to make sure.
647
00:33:57,952 --> 00:33:59,252
And it was.
648
00:34:00,246 --> 00:34:01,246
It was him.
649
00:34:04,584 --> 00:34:06,174
[reporter] The state police were
patrolling the waters
650
00:34:06,252 --> 00:34:09,552
off West Point on Saturday
when they discovered Viafore's body.
651
00:34:09,630 --> 00:34:13,800
By that time, he had been inside
the Hudson River for more than a month.
652
00:34:13,885 --> 00:34:17,675
The Orange County DA won't comment
on the condition of the body.
653
00:34:17,764 --> 00:34:21,234
Toxicology tests are underway
to determine the cause of death.
654
00:34:27,398 --> 00:34:30,898
This is Jennifer Roman,dictating case OC-15.
655
00:34:32,612 --> 00:34:36,662
Also present, senior investigatorwith the New York State Police.
656
00:34:40,161 --> 00:34:41,371
[camera shutter clicking]
657
00:34:42,789 --> 00:34:44,119
[camera shutter clicking]
658
00:34:44,207 --> 00:34:48,627
I hereby certify that I, Jennifer Roman,Orange County Acting Medical Examiner,
659
00:34:48,711 --> 00:34:50,881
performed an autopsyon the body of Vincent Viafore.
660
00:34:50,963 --> 00:34:53,093
Final diagnosis: numeral one drowning.
661
00:34:53,174 --> 00:34:55,434
Letter A: body recovered from water.
662
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:58,680
Letter B: pulmonary congestionand edema with hyperinflation.
663
00:35:00,389 --> 00:35:03,389
[Richard] They fully examined him,
inside and out,
664
00:35:03,476 --> 00:35:07,476
and they did not find any foul play.
665
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:10,570
[man] The coroner's report
666
00:35:10,650 --> 00:35:13,070
says that the cause of death was drowning
667
00:35:13,152 --> 00:35:16,662
due to plug being removed
by some other person.
668
00:35:17,573 --> 00:35:21,413
The medical examiner relied
on speculation from police.
669
00:35:21,494 --> 00:35:22,794
Does that wash?
670
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:25,120
[woman] This is absolutely ridiculous.
671
00:35:25,206 --> 00:35:29,166
There's no way for this coroner
to be able to determine whether or not,
672
00:35:29,252 --> 00:35:31,252
medically, this was a homicide.
673
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:34,420
I don't know. Yeah.
674
00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:37,513
I remember seeing it
and going, "Oh, my God.
675
00:35:37,593 --> 00:35:38,723
You've got to be kidding me."
676
00:35:40,054 --> 00:35:42,604
[reporter] Accused kayak killer
Angelika Graswald
677
00:35:42,682 --> 00:35:44,272
isn't talking much these days.
678
00:35:44,350 --> 00:35:45,480
Graswald, meanwhile,
679
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,730
who is a foreign national
holding a Latvian passport,
680
00:35:48,813 --> 00:35:54,153
remains behind bars on a crushing bail
of $3 million cash, $9 million bond.
681
00:35:54,235 --> 00:35:57,775
Her lawyer says she'll likely
stay in jail until the trial.
682
00:36:00,032 --> 00:36:01,532
[Angelika] When they put me in jail,
683
00:36:01,784 --> 00:36:04,834
I was so tired.
Like, I think the first two days in jail,
684
00:36:04,912 --> 00:36:05,912
I just slept.
685
00:36:06,247 --> 00:36:10,327
I even passed out in a peanut butter
sandwich in a waiting room.
686
00:36:11,752 --> 00:36:14,132
For the longest time, I thought, "Okay,
687
00:36:14,213 --> 00:36:15,883
I'm gonna be out of here.
688
00:36:15,965 --> 00:36:18,045
There's no way they're gonna put me away.
689
00:36:18,134 --> 00:36:20,144
They can't 'cause I didn't do anything."
690
00:36:20,469 --> 00:36:22,469
But as the time went by,
691
00:36:22,555 --> 00:36:24,595
and I was there for so long,
692
00:36:24,682 --> 00:36:28,522
I just started to think that...
693
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:31,770
"Well, they can actually put me away."
694
00:36:38,196 --> 00:36:40,526
[Richard] Imagine an entire defense team.
695
00:36:41,073 --> 00:36:43,913
Three lawyers, two investigators,
four experts
696
00:36:43,993 --> 00:36:46,623
are funneling towards this moment.
697
00:36:46,913 --> 00:36:48,963
-Good afternoon, everyone.
-Good afternoon, Judge.
698
00:36:49,457 --> 00:36:51,497
[Angelika] The trial, I dreaded.
699
00:36:52,543 --> 00:36:54,463
I didn't want to putVince's family through that,
700
00:36:54,545 --> 00:36:55,955
or my family through that.
701
00:36:56,047 --> 00:36:57,667
I wanted nothing to do with that.
702
00:36:57,757 --> 00:37:00,007
I just wanted to be done.
703
00:37:01,052 --> 00:37:03,512
[Richard] The prosecution startsto pressure us
704
00:37:03,596 --> 00:37:05,176
to resolve it without a trial.
705
00:37:05,932 --> 00:37:08,142
So we were able to craft a plea, you know,
706
00:37:08,226 --> 00:37:12,056
and the plea would be
to criminally negligent homicide.
707
00:37:12,146 --> 00:37:12,976
He told me...
708
00:37:13,940 --> 00:37:16,980
"It's either this or we go to trial."
709
00:37:17,485 --> 00:37:19,895
I talked to my family. I prayed about it.
710
00:37:21,489 --> 00:37:22,779
Twenty-five to life.
711
00:37:23,449 --> 00:37:26,989
Imagine that being told to you.
712
00:37:27,536 --> 00:37:28,576
What do you do?
713
00:37:28,663 --> 00:37:31,833
You take the least out of both evils.
714
00:37:33,084 --> 00:37:37,884
Angelika Graswald has been here in
Orange County Jail for more than two years
715
00:37:37,964 --> 00:37:41,554
and now that plea deal could
get her released on time served.
716
00:37:42,009 --> 00:37:44,219
[man] You have removed the plug
from his kayak
717
00:37:44,303 --> 00:37:46,763
at some point
prior to April 19th. Correct?
718
00:37:47,139 --> 00:37:48,019
Yes.
719
00:37:48,891 --> 00:37:51,891
[man] As Vincent attempted to kayak
back across the Hudson River,
720
00:37:51,978 --> 00:37:54,228
he struggled in his kayak. Correct?
721
00:37:54,981 --> 00:37:55,821
Yes.
722
00:37:56,565 --> 00:37:59,605
[man] His kayak took on water
and began to sink. Correct?
723
00:38:00,861 --> 00:38:01,741
Yes.
724
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,450
[man] His kayak took on water
because of the plug being out
725
00:38:05,533 --> 00:38:07,743
and the conditions of the river. Correct?
726
00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:08,949
Yes.
727
00:38:09,412 --> 00:38:11,872
[man] As his kayak continued
to take on water,
728
00:38:11,956 --> 00:38:14,916
he entered the river
and was out of his kayak. Correct?
729
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,170
[Richard] Can we have a second?
730
00:38:17,503 --> 00:38:18,803
Can we have a second, please?
731
00:38:20,881 --> 00:38:22,471
[judge] You pled to something,
732
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:26,140
not necessarily an intentional act
that you committed,
733
00:38:26,220 --> 00:38:29,890
but you certainly knew
how to end unsatisfactory relationships
734
00:38:29,974 --> 00:38:33,444
in a manner that would be
socially and legally acceptable.
735
00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:36,019
You could have walked out on Vinny
if you were unhappy.
736
00:38:36,731 --> 00:38:39,901
It just shows
that you are the kind of person...
737
00:38:40,359 --> 00:38:44,319
You certainly have a lack of understanding
of other people's feelings.
738
00:38:44,780 --> 00:38:48,490
It appears to me you have
an excessive need for admiration...
739
00:38:49,285 --> 00:38:53,535
and Mr. Viafore was
the unnecessary victim of that.
740
00:38:55,166 --> 00:38:55,996
[Angelika] Judge Freehill.
741
00:38:57,752 --> 00:38:59,842
I don't like to speak bad about anyone,
742
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:03,090
but he was very mean to me that day.
743
00:39:03,174 --> 00:39:06,344
He just put me down, and I was, like,
744
00:39:06,969 --> 00:39:09,759
"Wow. That's what you really think of me?"
745
00:39:09,847 --> 00:39:11,137
I never stood a chance.
746
00:39:11,223 --> 00:39:14,893
If I went to trial with him
in the judge seat,
747
00:39:14,977 --> 00:39:16,437
I would have been put away.
748
00:39:17,063 --> 00:39:19,233
Judge laid into Angelika Graswald
749
00:39:19,315 --> 00:39:21,935
before sentencing her
to four years in prison.
750
00:39:22,026 --> 00:39:25,236
Four years for taking someone's life?
No way.
751
00:39:25,696 --> 00:39:29,026
My son was a good man,
and everybody loved him,
752
00:39:29,116 --> 00:39:30,866
and we miss him very much.
753
00:39:41,545 --> 00:39:45,755
[Angelika]
We are in a Christian camp where I live.
754
00:39:48,260 --> 00:39:51,890
This is one of the cabins
that is called a hideout,
755
00:39:51,972 --> 00:39:54,772
and I come out here to just be alone,
756
00:39:55,351 --> 00:39:56,441
be with God.
757
00:39:58,521 --> 00:40:01,151
Having faith is what got me through this.
758
00:40:04,777 --> 00:40:09,157
Thinking back when the interrogationwas happening, just the thought
759
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:14,160
that I could have gotten up and left
at any point never crossed my mind.
760
00:40:14,245 --> 00:40:16,575
I never thought that I could just leave.
761
00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:21,379
I thought that by speaking
and telling them everything that I knew
762
00:40:21,460 --> 00:40:22,880
or I could tell them,
763
00:40:22,962 --> 00:40:25,802
that I would just clear it up,
I wouldn't need a lawyer,
764
00:40:25,881 --> 00:40:28,301
and I would just be free.
765
00:40:28,384 --> 00:40:29,474
But... [laughs]
766
00:40:29,552 --> 00:40:31,222
Boy, was I naive!
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