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They were shocking.
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They were horribly gruesome. They were
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bloody. People were being chopped up and
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battered with axes. And I'm 9 or 10, I'd
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never seen anything like this. It was
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amazing. Horror comics were, you know,
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to my little seven eight-year-old self,
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they were my pornography. This was the
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stuff that I knew I shouldn't be looking
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at, but you know, I couldn't give it up.
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They were sensational.
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They reached deeper and deeper into the
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Springboard barrel. The stories got
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bloodier and bloodier. Did it go
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overboard? Yeah, I think so in a couple
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of spots. I didn't write it, but I drew
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it.
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And I felt very bad about that. Mothers
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and fathers say, "I don't want my kid to
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read that."
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They were controversial.
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Well,
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do you think that this cover is in bad
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taste? He goes, "No, I don't think so.
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How would it be in bad taste?" And he
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said, "Well, if you showed the gore drop
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dripping from it." And they nailed him
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with that.
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And ultimately, they were outlawed.
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I think they were all completely shocked
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when the Senate subcommittee came
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forward and said, "You people are the
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cause of juvenile delinquency."
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The horror comics were a very convenient
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target.
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And the powers that be took advantage of
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that.
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My name is William Gaines.
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On April 22nd, 1954,
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William M. Gaines, publisher of
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Entertaining Comics, testified before
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the U.S. Senate subcommittee on juvenile
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delinquency.
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I was the first publisher in these
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United States to publish horror comics.
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I'm responsible. I started them.
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Some may not like them.
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That's a matter of personal taste.
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It would be just as difficult to explain
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the harmless thrill of a horror story to
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a Dr. Wertham
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as it would be to explain the sublimity
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of love to a frigid old maid.
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What are we afraid of?
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Are we afraid of our own children?
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Do we forget that they are citizens,
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too?
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And entitled to the essential freedom to
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read?
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Or do we think our children so evil, so
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vicious, so simple-minded that it takes
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but a comic magazine story of murder to
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set them to murder, of robbery to set
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them to robbery?
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Just 4 years earlier, Gaines had
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revolutionized the medium by launching a
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new trend in comic books, horror.
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EC's graphically gory tales, while
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immensely popular with readers, would
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soon draw the wrath of both parents and
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politicians
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and threaten to destroy the entire comic
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book industry.
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It could be said that Bill Gaines had
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comics in his blood.
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His father, Max, was a pioneer in the
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medium, creating the first comic book,
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Famous Funnies, in 1934.
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4 years later, Gaines joined ranks with
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Superman publisher Harry Donenfeld and
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launched a new line, All-American
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Comics.
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Featuring such superheroes as the Green
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Lantern and Wonder Woman, the AA line
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was extremely popular with sales soaring
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to over 8 million copies per month.
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Comic books made Max Gaines a fortune.
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In early 1945, he sold his share of All
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American for half a million dollars.
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He created a new company, Educational
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Comics or EC, which published such
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sedate titles as Picture Stories from
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the Bible.
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Not surprisingly, EC's sales languished
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near the bottom of the industry.
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Educational Comics were pretty much like
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educational everything. Nobody wanted to
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buy them.
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Uh that's why slowly but surely
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educational comics morphed into
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entertaining comics.
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Max Gaines changed his company's name
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and direction, but not its fortunes.
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Sales continued to lag as children
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ignored EC in droves.
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Bill Gaines also wanted nothing to do
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with his father's comic books. In fact,
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Bill wanted no part of the family
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business.
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Max Gaines had an explosive temper and
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Bill often found himself the target of
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his father's wrath.
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From all accounts, the relationship
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between Bill Gaines and his father was a
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very hard one and a very little bit
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abusive on the edge. Max Gaines had
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built his comic book company out of
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nothing and was very impatient with
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artists and writers and apparently with
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his son as well.
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He considered Bill the world's biggest
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klutz.
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And Bill often tried to live down to
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that.
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Max constantly said to Bill, "You'll
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never amount to anything."
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Bill did his best to stay out of his
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father's way.
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After a stint in the Army Air Corps, he
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enrolled at New York University to
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pursue his teaching credential.
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Then in 1947, tragedy struck.
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Max was killed in a boating accident
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near the family's summer home on Lake
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Placid.
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Prodded by his mother, Bill reluctantly
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took over the reins at EC.
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Bill was not enthusiastic about the
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idea. His father had been failing. The
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business owed already about a hundred
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thousand dollars.
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Uh things weren't looking good when he
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came in. And uh Bill said, "How do you
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expect me to do this? My father didn't
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do it and he was a pretty smart
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financial guy."
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Gaines slowly learned the ropes and
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moved the comics more in line with his
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personal tastes.
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A turning point came in March 1948 when
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a 23-year-old artist named Al Feldstein
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knocked on the door at EC.
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I went down to see Bill Gaines and I
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showed him
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the the stuff I'd been doing and he got
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it very intrigued with them. My girls,
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they called them headlight comics
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because I did kind of new bio girls with
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tight sweaters, you know, Lana Turner
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movies. And so he gave me a contract to
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do a teenage book called going steady
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with Peggy.
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But before even one issue was published,
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the bottom fell out of the teenage
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craze.
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Feldstein agreed to tear up the contract
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and began working on EC's other titles,
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imitations of then popular romance,
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western, and crime comics.
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After a few years of doing this follow
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the leader thing, Feldstein and Gaines
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realized that this was not the way to go
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and they realized that they had a common
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love of the old sort of lights out Inner
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Sanctum radio shows.
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Bayer and Ice Yeast presents Lights Out
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everybody.
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Lights Out
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brings you stories of the supernatural
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and the supernormal
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dramatizing the fantasies and the
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mysteries of the unknown. One of the
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things that I was always fascinated with
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was the old radio horror shows from Arch
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Oboler like the Witches' Tale and Lights
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Out and Inner Sanctum. And I said, "Why
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don't we do kind of gothic horror in
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comics? Scare the pants off the kids."
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Eager to take the company in a new
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direction, Gaines agreed to test the
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waters of horror.
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Feldstein wrote two stories, The Crypt
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of Terror and The Vault of Horror, which
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ran in EC's crime comics.
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Sales improved overnight. Gaines
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immediately canceled EC's current line
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and launched what he called a new trend
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in magazines.
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In January 1950, The Crypt of Terror and
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The Vault of Horror hit the newsstands.
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Two other titles, The Haunt of Fear and
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Crime Suspense Stories, soon followed.
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After three issues, Gaines changed the
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title of The Crypt of Terror to Tales
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from the Crypt.
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It would become EC's biggest seller.
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Early stories featured standard scare
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fare, such as mummies, vampires, and
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haunted houses.
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Gaines and Feldstein soon developed
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their own signature. Simple tales of
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good and evil, which culminated in an
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ironic, unusually deadly ending.
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Every one of those stories would have a
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twist. Most of those twists were the
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just dessert twists. That is, whenever
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there was a really bad person in these
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comics, they would indeed get their
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comeuppance, usually in the same way
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they were delivering it to others.
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In one story titled Taint the Meat, It's
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the Humanity, a mild-mannered butcher
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named Zack Grissle tries to boost
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profits by selling spoiled meat to his
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unsuspecting customers.
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Pack your things, Sarah. We're leaving
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town.
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You're in trouble. They found out. I
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warned you not to sell horse meat. It's
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worse than that, Sarah. Four people are
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dead already. I sold them tainted meat.
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You You what?
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You're a murderer.
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I did it for us, Sarah. For you and me
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and Junior. Junior? He's eating at
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Herbie Horton's house. Horton? She
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bought some of it.
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I feel sick, Mommy.
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Junior, baby.
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He's dead, Zack. Dead. You killed him,
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too. Our son. Sarah, put down that
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knife.
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Good lord.
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Tainted meat?
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Tainted meat, anyone?
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EC pioneered dozens of new and ghastly
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methods of comeuppance.
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Villains were eaten by ghouls, skewered
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on swords, buried alive, stuffed down
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garbage disposals,
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even southern fried.
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It gave new meaning to the term an eye
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for an eye.
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In EC Comics and in in much of horror,
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there's a code that that allows the bad
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guy or the evil force or whatever it is
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to be
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if not vanquished, at least put at bay
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at the end so we can walk out safely.
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Gaines and Feldstein mixed their horror
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with an element which would become an EC
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trademark, humor.
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Its source was quite often the story's
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narrator, a device they also borrowed
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from an old radio show.
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I had remembered the old witch in
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Witch's Tale, and I remember her
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cackling and laughing and saying, "I'm
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103 years old today, Satan, and I've got
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a scary story to tell all my listeners."
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>> And now, Satan,
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if everybody'll just dust off them
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lights and make it nice and dark, we'll
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get right down to business.
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Draw up to the fire and gaze into them
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bugs.
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Gaze into them deep.
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Feldstein created a trio of ghoulish
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hosts who welcomed readers into the
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world of the macabre.
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The Crypt-Keeper, the Vault-Keeper,
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and the Old Witch.
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Greetings, heartlings.
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Yes, it's your feeder of foul flavors,
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the Old Witch, come again.
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Got a certain recipe for you this time.
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The humor was a very vital element of
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these books because if you took these
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stories out of context, there's some of
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them were pretty grisly and some of them
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were not children's fare. But by having
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them full of these bad horror puns and
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having the the host come in and
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wisecrack about them, they kind of took
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the edge off the horror.
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By using the horror hosts, EC kept a
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perspective on what they were doing and
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they reminded their readers that this
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was fiction and it was entertainment.
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Certainly, it was entertainment. The
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ghoul lunatics kept the comic horror
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books comic.
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This mix of humor and horror had a
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tremendous influence on children's
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author R.L. Stine.
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When I started writing these scary books
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for kids,
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I thought back to the EC Comics and how
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much I loved them and I tried to
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remember what it was about them that I
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loved so much.
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And I remembered that it was that
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amazing mix of horror and humor.
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There was always a funny twist. People
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were always making horrible puns about
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it. It was funny. And it's sort of what
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I try to do at a much gentler level in
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my books. You know, the whole thing was
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a big joke to Bill. He wanted to publish
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and have fun and see if he could do
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stories the way he liked to do it and
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hope that he made money.
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Gaines succeeded beyond his wildest
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dreams.
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Although his horror comics didn't match
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the total sales of Superman, they
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outsold almost every other comic on a
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percentage basis,
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propelling the company into the black.
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I think Dad was very surprised that they
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were as successful as they were. He knew
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that it was something that he liked and
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enjoyed, but he wasn't quite sure if
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anybody else would really enjoy it, too.
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So, I think he was surprised and and
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very happy.
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An avid reader of science fiction,
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Gaines followed the horror books with
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weird science and weird fantasy.
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Featuring futuristic tales of flying
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saucers and alien worlds, EC's science
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fiction books never attained the same
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level of popularity and success as the
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horror comics.
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Yet, they are considered by many to be
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classics of the genre.
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Although neither man had formal training
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as a writer, Gaines and Feldstein shared
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the title of editor.
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Together, they plotted most of EC's
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horror and science fiction stories.
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Gaines would come in with what he called
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springboards and they were story ideas
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which he got from reading other books,
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going to movies, and he would pitch them
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to Feldstein and Feldstein would turn
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down the first one and the second one
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and the fifth one. And someplace around
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idea number 14 Feldstein would get
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interested and said, "Yeah, I can make
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that work."
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Feldstein would then write the story
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himself, laying it out directly onto the
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illustration board, which the artist
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would use to draw the panels.
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Each horror book had four stories, and
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it was up to Gaines and Feldstein to
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create one new tale every day.
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Scrounging for plots, Gaines read
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everything he could get his hands on,
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liberally borrowing from some of the
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best writers in the field.
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Bill would come in with these
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springboards. He wouldn't tell me what
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source they were because he didn't want
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me to steal the story. And he brought in
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a couple of
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springboards for science fiction
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stories, and I liked two of them,
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and I combined them into something
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called Home to Stay.
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But Gaines' springboards turned out to
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be two existing stories by Ray Bradbury,
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then a best-selling author.
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Bradbury noticed the unauthorized
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adaptation and wrote to Gaines.
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We got a letter
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from Ray Bradbury, "Hey you guys, you
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neglected uh to pay me my royalties for
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the two stories you swiped." And Bill
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said, "Oh, you know, we didn't know how
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to get in touch with you."
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And he said, "But we'd love to pay you
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for it, and uh
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how about letting us adapt your stories
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into comics?" With Bradbury's blessing,
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Feldstein would go on to adapt 26 of the
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author's short stories.
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Each one became an instant comic book
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classic.
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Because he is our premier short story
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writer,
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uh his stories were made to order for
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EC.
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Every time you think of one of these
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stories, you tend to rank it as a
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masterpiece.
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Doing the Bradbury adaptations inspired
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me to be a better writer. And I think
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that's what you see he's really noted
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for was that we kind of elevated the
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level of storytelling
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to a
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greater height than it had been attained
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prior in comic books.
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EC's stable of artists included some of
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the most talented men ever to work in
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the field.
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Gaines gave them top billing allowing
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them to sign their pages and even
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publishing their biographies inside the
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front cover.
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More importantly, he gave them creative
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freedom.
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Early on I I said to Bill, you know,
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most comic books have a kind of a
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sameness to them. I said, "What we've
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got to do is encourage our artists to
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write in their own handwriting,
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not to imitate, but to each have their
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own style."
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The styles ran the gamut from squeaky
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clean to gothically grotesque.
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Into the latter category fell Graham
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Ingels.
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A painter by training, Ingels developed
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a special knack for horror which earned
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him the nickname Ghastly.
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Graham Ingels was the greatest guy at
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drawing walking dead, pieces of flesh
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falling from bodies. Uh he had this way
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of getting a texture on the on the
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people he was drawing that no one else
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ever got with this rotten color
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reproduction. Somehow you just felt
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things oozing out of pores when he drew
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things. Graham Ingels had this way of of
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drawing people
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and he made them look like melting wax.
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There was a feeling of decay about his
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drawings that that was just so so
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appealing in a very kind of under the
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skin way.
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I remember looking at his drawings when
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I was a kid and imagining I could smell
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it.
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At the opposite end of the terror
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spectrum was Jack Kamen.
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Jack Kamen was an illustrator, a very
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straight kind of illustrator, and he did
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very pretty girls.
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Everybody was nice and handsome. I
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called him the Father Knows Best artist.
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Kamen's style was best suited for EC's
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crime stories, which typically involved
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love triangles.
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EC often borrowed plot elements from
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James M. Cain, whose novels Double
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Indemnity and The Postman Always Rings
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Twice were made into very successful
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movies.
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>> do that.
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Fix everything for us. What? Brave is
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something to happen to Nick?
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Something like that.
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Both Postman and Double Indemnity
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featured a gorgeous wife who plotted
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with her boyfriend to kill her husband.
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Kamen's stories usually included both of
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these elements.
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I'm going to kill her, Jean, just like
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you want. I've made up my mind.
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It's the only way, darling. The only
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way. I knew you'd finally see it.
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Of course, in EC's world, as in Cain's,
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the wife and boyfriend would usually get
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it themselves in the end.
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Somewhere in between in the styles of
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Ingels and Kamen fell EC's other main
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artists, Johnny Craig and Jack Davis.
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Craig, the senior member of the staff,
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was one of the few artists who also
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wrote his stories.
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He became the man behind the
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Vault-Keeper, illustrating all of the
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covers for The Vault of Horror.
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Johnny Craig's characters had these
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severe perspiration problems whenever
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anything bad happened around them, and
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you could kind of feel that through the
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page. You you almost felt the page would
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get damp from all that sweat dripping on
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it.
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Unlike Feldstein and Gaines, who often
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poured on the gore, Craig focused on the
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terrors of the mind, the psychological
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aspects of horror.
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Considered EC's most popular artist,
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Jack Davis specialized in physical
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horror.
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But Davis, who would later become a
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highly successful humorist and
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commercial artist, also had an inherent
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comic style.
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He imparted a light touch on even the
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most horrifying scene.
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I love to draw cartoons and I'm not an
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illustrator. I think sometimes you
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illustrators draw just you know, the
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stock thing right there. But but if I
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see something, I'll put a cartoon
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movement on it, an action movement that
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that I would put on a cartoon and
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exaggerate maybe the hands and the feet
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and the expression, you know, and really
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go at it. That guy just makes me laugh.
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Uh even when he's drawn the a gross-out,
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he just makes me laugh. There's just
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something about Jack Davis's stuff that
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that really
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blows me away.
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Probably all of the artists
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who drew for EC did their best work of
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their careers
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during that short time that they were at
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EC. And that was no accident. That was
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because Bill found out what they liked
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to do and they built the stories around
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that.
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Two years into their reign of horror,
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Gaines and Feldstein continued to blaze
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new trails.
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In 1952, they launched a new title,
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Shock SuspenStories,
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which featured a series of stories they
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called preachies,
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moralistic tales which took on some of
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the most explosive issues of the day.
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What does it say, Dave?
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It it says,
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"Don't move in, Jew.
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You'll be sorry.
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We don't want Jews in this
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neighborhood."
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Hate was the story of a group of
556
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neighborhood vigilantes who tried to
557
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scare a Jewish family out of town.
558
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The situation spirals out of control and
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the family is killed.
560
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The leader of the vigilantes, John,
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later makes a shocking discovery.
562
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:12,960
I never intended to tell you, John. I
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never had to. Yes, you're adopted.
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Ma!
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Your pa-
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We're Jewish.
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00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:25,520
Suddenly, the roles were reversed and
568
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:28,600
the hater becomes the hated. John gets
569
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to experience his bigotry first hand.
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00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:34,760
Can't you see how wrong we've been?
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Scram, Jew!
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I think Dad liked to be cutting edge. I
573
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believed that by touching on areas such
574
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as anti-Semitism was just his way of
575
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:47,280
pushing the envelope a little, seeing
576
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:50,400
how far he could go.
577
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:52,680
I was stunned by the implications of
578
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,360
many of the stories they did. These were
579
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:57,160
adult themes.
580
00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:58,960
And in a way, they were more shocking
581
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:05,400
than the horror stories because they
582
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dealt with reality in a very direct way.
583
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Gaines and Feldstein also turned the
584
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:13,600
spotlight on race relations, a topic
585
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which in the early 1950s was just
586
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beginning to bubble to the surface of
587
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public discussion.
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He's come home, Andrew. Our Joey's come
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home a hero.
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The whole town's proud of him, Arthur.
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The whole town, look at them.
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00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,720
But Joey learns that Hank, the soldier
593
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,920
who saved his life by jumping on a live
594
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:38,520
grenade, was not good enough to be
595
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:40,640
buried in the town cemetery.
596
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:44,240
In the story's final page, Joey
597
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:46,720
confronts the people of his hometown.
598
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:49,840
I had a buddy in Korea.
599
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:52,360
We fought for democracy together.
600
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:54,840
He gave his life for that cause.
601
00:25:52,360 --> 00:25:56,360
But when his body was sent back here,
602
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:59,200
it wasn't good enough to be buried in
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00:25:56,360 --> 00:26:00,960
Fair Lawn Cemetery.
604
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,280
It wasn't good enough because its skin
605
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:05,640
wasn't the right color.
606
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:08,000
What did he die for?
607
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,200
What did I give my arm for?
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00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:12,080
You say you're proud of me?
609
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,560
Well, I'm not proud of you.
610
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:17,160
I'm ashamed.
611
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:17,160
I'm ashamed of you and for you.
612
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,440
We were kind of
613
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appealing to better our society, and
614
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,160
there were people out that didn't want
615
00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:30,480
to better our society. They wanted the
616
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:34,160
status quo.
617
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:36,600
In 1952, EC launched a new kind of comic
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book that would tackle the status quo
619
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:43,280
head-on. Its title was simply Mad.
620
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:46,400
Masterfully written and edited by Harvey
621
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:48,000
Kurtzman, Mad initially spoofed EC's own
622
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,120
comics.
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Kurtzman soon turned his sights to other
624
00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:56,360
targets, and Mad became a runaway hit.
625
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:59,640
I think the third issue or so I did the
626
00:26:56,360 --> 00:27:01,520
Lone Stranger, and then the one that
627
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,560
where Mad really took off was
628
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:06,400
Superduperman. He did a take off of
629
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:09,120
Superman, and it was hysterical, and and
630
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,800
that was the beginning of Mad.
631
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:12,600
By 1953,
632
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,640
Bill Gaines had become one of the most
633
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:17,000
successful publishers in the comic book
634
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,040
industry, disproving his father's
635
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,560
prophecy that he would never amount to
636
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,120
anything.
637
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:26,360
He was very, very proud that he was able
638
00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:29,320
to prove his dad wrong, and you know,
639
00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:32,560
turn a business that was
640
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:35,800
suffering into an enormous financial and
641
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,800
creative success.
642
00:27:57,360 --> 00:28:02,440
EC's success did not go unnoticed by the
643
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,920
other publishers, who soon flooded the
644
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:08,160
newsstands with imitations.
645
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:10,800
By 1953, nearly a quarter of all comic
646
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:13,320
books sold dealt with horror.
647
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,360
Gaines, once the trend follower, was now
648
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:18,280
the trend setter.
649
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:20,400
The other companies did try to copy EC,
650
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,960
but I think that they missed the point.
651
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,440
They made the mistake of thinking that
652
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,520
it was the gore and the sensational
653
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:29,360
element that made these comic books
654
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:32,640
successful. So, of course, they upped
655
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:34,520
the ante on the gore.
656
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,760
This constant competition and
657
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:39,240
one-upmanship forced Gaines and
658
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:41,160
Feldstein to raise the level of violence
659
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,720
in their stories.
660
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,040
Frankly, as they reached deeper and
661
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:47,400
deeper into the springboard barrel, the
662
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,880
stories got bloodier and bloodier. Did
663
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:53,840
it go overboard? Yeah, I think so in a
664
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:56,680
couple of spots. One spot was Foul Play,
665
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:59,440
the story of a baseball team which exact
666
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:02,680
grizzly revenge against an opponent who
667
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:04,520
has murdered one of their teammates.
668
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,760
There's no doubt about it. Satin's a
669
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,200
murderer.
670
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,000
Traces of poison are still on his
671
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,840
spikes.
672
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,520
This is a job for the police.
673
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,920
No way.
674
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:18,280
Let's take care of him ourselves, all
675
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,280
way.
676
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:23,000
On the last page, the killer is
677
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:26,240
dismembered and his body parts used as
678
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,240
baseball equipment.
679
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:32,200
I think it's kind of a natural
680
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:35,720
phenomenon to try and top yourself. And
681
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:37,760
yeah, we did step into
682
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:40,120
what might be called extremes in some of
683
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:42,000
the stuff we did where we became a
684
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,360
little gorier than we should have. I
685
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,360
didn't write it, but I drew it.
686
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,880
And I feel very bad about that. And of
687
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,000
course, uh
688
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,200
everybody really jumped on that because
689
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,920
it was awful. But nowadays, it would be
690
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,320
nothing.
691
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,760
Those days, I guess it was really
692
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,040
something and it
693
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,960
mothers and fathers say, "I don't want
694
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:03,440
my kid to read that."
695
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,960
Stories like Foul Play encouraged
696
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,920
critics to step up their attacks.
697
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,560
The most vocal critic was Fredric
698
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:13,000
Wertham, a New York psychiatrist who had
699
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:15,400
worked with troubled teens.
700
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:19,000
Wertham's attack on comic books began in
701
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:22,280
1948 when he called the medium pollution
702
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:25,480
from which children had to be protected.
703
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:28,920
In the spring of 1954, Wertham's book
704
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:30,640
Seduction of the Innocent was published.
705
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:33,240
Promoted as the most shocking book of
706
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:36,080
the year, it was a scathing indictment
707
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,880
of all comic books.
708
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,920
Wertham, of course, as a psychiatrist
709
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,040
read everything into these comic books
710
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:44,680
he could possibly could. Uh he talked
711
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:46,920
about a homoerotic relationship between
712
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:49,560
Batman and Robin. He talked about the
713
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:51,440
lesbian tendencies of Wonder Woman. It
714
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,720
was preposterous.
715
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,840
Wertham saved his harshest attacks for
716
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:58,240
horror and crime comics, which he
717
00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:00,840
alleged were a direct cause of juvenile
718
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:03,120
delinquency.
719
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:06,120
These claims touched off a firestorm of
720
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:08,160
criticism against the comics industry.
721
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:11,000
PTA and church groups organized
722
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:13,760
boycotts. Others took even more drastic
723
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,120
measures. There were comic book burnings
724
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,760
that were of course reminiscent of the
725
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,240
Nazi years.
726
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:21,520
Nobody intended that precisely, but when
727
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,480
you saw some of these ugly scenes of
728
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,560
towns where they would get all the comic
729
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:28,400
books together and just burn them up, it
730
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:30,040
was quite frightening.
731
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,280
The controversy quickly drew the
732
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,440
attention of political leaders, and the
733
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,880
US Senate Subcommittee to investigate
734
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,640
juvenile delinquency agreed to look into
735
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:41,520
the matter.
736
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:43,800
Led by Tennessee Senator Estes Kefauver,
737
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:46,960
the panel held hearings in New York City
738
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:49,320
on April 21st, 1954.
739
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,800
The star witness was none other than Dr.
740
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,800
Fredric Wertham.
741
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:57,080
It is my opinion
742
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:59,880
without any reasonable doubt
743
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,560
and without any reservation
744
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:03,120
that comic books
745
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,000
are an important
746
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:09,680
contributing factor
747
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:13,000
in many cases of juvenile delinquency.
748
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:15,520
Wertham worked from an improper premise.
749
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:18,480
That is, he decided that the troubled
750
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:20,760
children that he was analyzing read
751
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:23,320
comic books. Therefore, that was a
752
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,680
source of their trouble. And of course,
753
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,280
there were plenty of children reading
754
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,520
comic books who were leading perfectly
755
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:31,360
normal lives, and in fact most of them
756
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:33,440
were very happy. As adults, we get to a
757
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,520
certain age that all of a sudden we stop
758
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,200
being
759
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:39,480
inside, we stop wanting to take chances.
760
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:42,640
We start being more afraid of the world
761
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:44,040
and we start protecting our children. We
762
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,240
don't realize what it was like to be a
763
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,720
kid. And so, here comes Seduction of the
764
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,880
Innocent.
765
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,200
Claims that these comic books are going
766
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,640
to turn
767
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,760
us kids into juvenile delinquents. Well,
768
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,480
poor guy, I have news for him. They
769
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:59,920
turned me into a movie director.
770
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,760
I didn't become a juvenile delinquent.
771
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:03,960
This guy is dead wrong.
772
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,520
Dead wrong. My name is William
773
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,920
>> Although many of the attacks were
774
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:10,320
directed at other publishers, Bill
775
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,080
Gaines asked for and was granted
776
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,160
permission to testify before the
777
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,560
committee.
778
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,960
I was the first publisher in these
779
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:20,520
United States to publish horror comics.
780
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:22,400
I'm responsible. I started them.
781
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:25,280
Some may not like them.
782
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:27,120
That's a matter of personal taste.
783
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,080
It would be just as difficult to explain
784
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,720
the harmless thrill of a horror story to
785
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,520
a Dr. Wertham
786
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:35,880
as it would be to explain the sublimity
787
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:37,560
of love to a frigid old maid.
788
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,400
My father was proud of the comics he
789
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,920
published and I'm proud of the comics I
790
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,960
publish.
791
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,480
Gaines defended his books on the grounds
792
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,960
of free speech.
793
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,200
He told the committee that he felt
794
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,160
constrained only by the limits of good
795
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,800
taste.
796
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:56,040
What happened was, of course, Bill was
797
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:58,040
not a a student of
798
00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:01,160
or experienced enough
799
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,840
to be able to parry some of the
800
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,920
"When did you stop beating your wife?"
801
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,840
questions that came flying at him after
802
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,639
his testimony.
803
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,840
One of those questions concerned a
804
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:13,840
recent issue of EC's Crime
805
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,840
SuspenStories.
806
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,879
Do you think that this cover is in bad
807
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,960
taste? And Bill said, "No, I don't think
808
00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:20,960
so. How would it be in bad taste?" And
809
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,840
he said, "Well, if you showed the gore
810
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,399
drop dripping from it." And they nailed
811
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:27,000
him with that.
812
00:34:24,399 --> 00:34:29,600
The exchange made front-page news and
813
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,800
turned public opinion decisively against
814
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,480
Gaines.
815
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:36,800
Bill's mistake was by volunteering to
816
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,760
testify, he focused all the negativity
817
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:41,320
on
818
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:43,960
on himself and EC Comics. So, now the
819
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:46,320
villain, the evil comic book publisher,
820
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:48,720
now had a face and a name and that name
821
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,440
was William M. Gaines.
822
00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:53,159
The Senate hearings quickly turned up
823
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:56,080
the heat on EC. Wholesalers began
824
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:58,120
refusing to handle Gaines' comics.
825
00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,280
Bundles were returned to the office
826
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,400
unopened.
827
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,440
Attempting to rally the other comic book
828
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,680
publishers, Gaines proposed an
829
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,600
association to fight the growing witch
830
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,760
hunt.
831
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:12,760
So, he called a meeting to say, "Let's
832
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:14,280
fight this censorship as a group." And
833
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,200
the other publishers had a wonderful
834
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,000
idea about how to fight the censorship.
835
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,120
"Let's get rid of the violence. Let's
836
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,720
get rid of the horror. Let's wipe out
837
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,680
all of the stuff that EC does and then
838
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:26,640
we'll all be very happy."
839
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,640
Gaines stormed out of the meeting
840
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:32,200
leaving the other publishers to form the
841
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:34,160
Comics Magazine Association of America.
842
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:37,560
The group immediately outlawed the use
843
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:38,720
of the words crime, horror, terror, and
844
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,960
weird.
845
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:44,560
All of which had figured prominently in
846
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,560
EC's biggest sellers.
847
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:50,240
The publishers also established a code
848
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:53,320
of ethics which forbade all scenes of
849
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:55,480
horror, excessive bloodshed, and gory or
850
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,760
gruesome crimes.
851
00:35:55,480 --> 00:36:00,040
All comics which complied with the code
852
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,000
would receive the association's seal of
853
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,040
approval.
854
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,520
Judge Charles Murphy, a New York City
855
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:10,400
magistrate, was appointed the first code
856
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:13,080
administrator, the comics czar.
857
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:15,000
Ostracized by the other publishers and
858
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,240
with no wholesalers willing to handle
859
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,560
his comics, Gaines was forced to
860
00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:21,680
surrender.
861
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:24,000
On September 14th, 1954, he announced
862
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:27,640
that he was discontinuing his line of
863
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,640
horror and crime comics.
864
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,720
I for one do not believe
865
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:35,840
I never have believed that comics are
866
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:38,160
the cause of juvenile delinquency.
867
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,800
I've taken this action
868
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,760
based on a premise which has never been
869
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:44,040
proven.
870
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:46,120
However, I feel that the public
871
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,120
must be served. If this is the way the
872
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:51,600
public wants it, this is the way it'll
873
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,600
have to be as far as I'm concerned.
874
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:56,840
I was too young to pay attention to the
875
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,280
the Kefauver hearings. All I knew is
876
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:01,960
that
877
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:03,800
one day I couldn't find my EC Comics
878
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:06,320
anymore. And I was left with, you know,
879
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,720
Superman and and Batman and you know,
880
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:11,400
just you know, whatever whatever was
881
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:14,320
left. Uh you know, they were good, but
882
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,320
it wasn't the same.
883
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:28,640
The new Comics Code put a dozen
884
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:30,480
publishers out of business overnight.
885
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,800
Gaines, however, was not ready to throw
886
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,440
in the towel.
887
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,760
Instead, he and Feldstein created a new
888
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:40,440
clean line of comics, which they called,
889
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:41,960
appropriately, their new direction.
890
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:45,000
Although they refused to join the
891
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:47,800
association, EC's new comics stuck to
892
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,240
the letter of the code.
893
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,680
Gaines tried putting out comics without
894
00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:52,360
the Comics Code symbol, and he didn't
895
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,840
get on a newsstand. The books would be
896
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,880
printed, they'd be shipped out to
897
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,120
wholesalers, the wholesalers would just
898
00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:00,440
take them and ship them right back for
899
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,640
credit, and Gaines was suddenly now
900
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,000
uh unable to get his comics to the
901
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,320
customers.
902
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:08,400
Gaines had no choice but to swallow his
903
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:10,240
pride and join the association.
904
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,680
He had a difficult time, however,
905
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:14,160
winning approval for any of his stories.
906
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,120
Initially, when the Comics Code was
907
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,840
started, its mission was to prove it was
908
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:21,480
necessary. So, they started ripping
909
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:22,960
stories apart, deleting things which in
910
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,360
hindsight seem ridiculous. Most
911
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,680
censorship drives seem ridiculous in
912
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,040
hindsight, but these seemed especially
913
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:31,800
ridiculous even at the time.
914
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:34,000
I think that his his mission
915
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,840
was to put us out of business
916
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,080
or at least make it so impossible for us
917
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,960
to publish that Bill would quit.
918
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,760
Gaines quickly became frustrated with
919
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,480
the code censorship.
920
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,440
"This is what our forefathers came to
921
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,840
America to escape." He told his
922
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,360
distributors.
923
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:52,000
Dad was a very good Indian chief, but he
924
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:54,480
wasn't a good [ __ ] He didn't follow
925
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:57,920
really well and to be in a position
926
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:59,480
where he had to present his material and
927
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:02,480
have someone else decide whether it was
928
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:04,080
appropriate or not was very difficult
929
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,240
for him.
930
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:08,960
After a year of working under the code
931
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:10,720
censors, EC finally headed out with
932
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,080
Judge Murphy.
933
00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:13,480
We had a science fiction story about
934
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,400
mutants
935
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:18,240
that he completely refused to let us
936
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:21,120
run. And so I brought a replacement
937
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:24,040
story. The replacement story was called
938
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:26,560
Judgment Day and had run 3 years earlier
939
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:28,160
in Weird Fantasy.
940
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:31,000
The story was one of Gaines and
941
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:33,560
Feldstein's preachies, an allegory about
942
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:36,120
racial tolerance.
943
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:38,960
In it, a space investigator visits a
944
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:40,960
planet inhabited by orange and blue
945
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:43,000
robots to determine if they were
946
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,000
advanced enough to join the Galactic
947
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,120
Empire.
948
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:50,280
You differentiate between blue robots
949
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:52,360
and orange robots? Of course. Otherwise,
950
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:55,480
there'd be trouble. Have to keep them in
951
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:57,960
their place, you know.
952
00:39:55,480 --> 00:40:00,080
After determining that prejudice existed
953
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,800
among the robots based on the color of
954
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,360
their armor, the investigator concluded
955
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,520
they were not yet ready to join the
956
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,480
Empire.
957
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,680
Upon returning to his spaceship, the
958
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:13,680
investigator removed his helmet
959
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:15,080
revealing African-American features.
960
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,280
Well, Judge Murphy said, "No, you can't
961
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,680
have that."
962
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,720
I said, "You can't have what?" He said
963
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,840
you can't have a black man.
964
00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:22,040
I said that's the point of the whole
965
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,080
story.
966
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,320
He said you can't have a black man. I
967
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,280
said, "Where in the code does it say I
968
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,600
can't have a black man?"
969
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,800
Can't have a black man. He wouldn't let
970
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,480
it go.
971
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:34,080
Feldstein returned to the EC offices and
972
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,720
informed Gaines of Murphy's edict. And
973
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,680
Bill called up Judge Murphy and he said,
974
00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:38,840
"What's going on?" And Judge Murphy
975
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,960
said, "You can't have a black man." I
976
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,560
said and Bill said, "I'm calling a press
977
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,440
conference and I'm going to
978
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:49,120
make a big stink about the bigotry of
979
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:50,640
the code." And he said, "All right.
980
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,200
He can be a black man, but you've got to
981
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:55,200
take the perspiration off of skin." Bill
982
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,840
said,
983
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:59,480
the four-letter word you and hung up on
984
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,920
him and ran the story and I think that
985
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,280
was the end of our
986
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,240
science fiction
987
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,960
comic book.
988
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:08,760
Gaines had had enough.
989
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:11,240
Judgment Day became the last story in
990
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:13,080
the last comic book that EC ever
991
00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:14,800
published. The whole thing kind of
992
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,840
crashed and burned. It slowly wound
993
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:19,400
down. Unfortunately for Bill, he had an
994
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:21,560
ace in the hole with Mad Magazine.
995
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,840
Although Mad had started slowly when it
996
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,680
was launched in 1952,
997
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,520
3 years later it was selling like
998
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,840
hotcakes.
999
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:32,280
In the summer of 1955,
1000
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:34,680
editor Harvey Kurtzman convinced Gaines
1001
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:38,320
to change the 10-cent comic book into a
1002
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:40,840
25-cent black and white magazine.
1003
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:43,480
One year later, after a falling out over
1004
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:45,640
ownership of the magazine, Gaines fired
1005
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,400
Kurtzman and replaced him with Al
1006
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:50,560
Feldstein.
1007
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:52,920
Mad didn't miss a beat. Over the next 25
1008
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:57,400
years, it became one of the most popular
1009
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:57,400
and successful magazines in America.
1010
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,960
In the mid-1980s, the Cochran reprints
1011
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,400
caught the attention of several
1012
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:15,720
Hollywood producers, including Joel
1013
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:18,520
Silver, who had produced such hits as
1014
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:20,640
Lethal Weapon and Die Hard. I remember
1015
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,120
as a kid I would devour these comic
1016
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,360
books. I mean, they were scary, they
1017
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:26,280
were funny, they were just so special.
1018
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:30,040
There was nothing else like them. So, we
1019
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:32,200
pursued Bill Gaines and we said we'd
1020
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,280
like to get the rights to Tales from the
1021
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,480
Crypt.
1022
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,840
Silver, together with partners David
1023
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:40,040
Giler and Walter Hill, optioned the
1024
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,800
rights with the idea of producing an
1025
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,720
anthology film.
1026
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,960
Directors Richard Donner and Robert
1027
00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:47,440
Zemeckis eventually became partners in
1028
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,800
the project.
1029
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:52,360
In the late 1980s, the group abandoned
1030
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:54,440
the idea of a feature film and decided
1031
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,440
to turn Tales from the Crypt into a
1032
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,800
television series.
1033
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:01,360
The pilot episode, directed by Robert
1034
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:03,720
Zemeckis, was based on a story in which
1035
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:06,360
a homicidal maniac, dressed as Santa
1036
00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:09,080
Claus, terrorizes a woman who has just
1037
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:11,520
killed her husband.
1038
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:14,120
During production, Silver and Zemeckis
1039
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:16,320
sought advice from Bill Gaines. When we
1040
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,200
showed the kind of the the rough cut to
1041
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:21,320
to Bill, he said at the end of the show
1042
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:23,120
she should be screaming her head off.
1043
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,760
Oh, Carrie.
1044
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:29,160
Thank goodness. See, Mommy?
1045
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,600
I told you Santa would come. And he
1046
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,920
didn't even have to come down the
1047
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:35,240
chimney.
1048
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,240
I'm out of men.
1049
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:52,680
NAUGHTY
1050
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,680
OR NICE.
1051
00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:01,920
HE WAS ABSOLUTELY involved in the
1052
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,520
creation of the first episode. And and
1053
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,960
we always looked at that episode as a
1054
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:08,760
template for all future episodes. The
1055
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:11,120
series producers, all of the comic
1056
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,760
books, remained faithful to the EC
1057
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,880
spirit.
1058
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:17,480
If you read the stories in
1059
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:19,440
the comic book and then you see our
1060
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,880
versions of the stories, they're very
1061
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,960
true to them. I mean, we really didn't
1062
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:25,200
take a lot of liberties and we tried to
1063
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,240
to kind of capture,
1064
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,120
you know, the images from the comic book
1065
00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:32,800
and use those images almost like a
1066
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:35,280
storyboard for for the shows.
1067
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:37,560
The series also brought to life Gaines
1068
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,960
and Feldstein's horror host, the
1069
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,640
Cryptkeeper.
1070
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:45,240
We all felt it was very important that
1071
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:47,520
the Cryptkeeper be a part of the show
1072
00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:51,000
and cuz we loved the notion of this
1073
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:52,320
little weird guy who was funny and
1074
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,360
scary. You know, he could make you
1075
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,160
laugh, but he could kill you.
1076
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,800
Although he bore little physical
1077
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:00,920
resemblance to his comic book
1078
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:05,480
counterpart, the animatronic Cryptkeeper
1079
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:05,480
did speak in the same punning patter.
1080
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:11,480
Greetings, infesters.
1081
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:14,040
I'll be with you in a moment. I was just
1082
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,680
putting these gross profits away for
1083
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,960
safekeeping.
1084
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:20,520
You see, boils and ghouls, at
1085
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:23,440
Cryptkeeper Financial, we can help you
1086
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:26,920
get morgue for your money. Whether it's
1087
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:30,120
mutual fiends you want or cold, horrid
1088
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:33,000
cash, we can guarantee you'll corner the
1089
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,000
market.
1090
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,960
The key to the Cryptkeeper is that he's
1091
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,560
comedy relief.
1092
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,520
He sometimes can get a little ghoulish,
1093
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:43,000
but never really over the top. He's
1094
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:45,440
there to ease
1095
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:47,800
the pain of being scared, perhaps.
1096
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,680
Jack Wall is the president of Tales from
1097
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:52,280
the Crypt Productions and is the
1098
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:55,200
marketing mastermind behind the flood of
1099
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,600
Cryptkeeper merchandise.
1100
00:45:55,200 --> 00:46:00,280
And I said there's no reason in the
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world that the Cryptkeeper can't be for
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Halloween what Santa Claus is for
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Christmas? That was a tall order.
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We're gaining on it. He is slowly but
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surely becoming what I like to call
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uh the world's undisputed icon of ghoul,
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horror, and spooktacular fun. It was
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just exciting that we were able to
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create this
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this kind of whole, you know, world out
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of these
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very secret, special, magical comic
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books.
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Once banished by parents and
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politicians, Tales from the Crypt and
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the other EC horror comics of the 1950s
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have taken on the air of legitimacy and
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earned their rightful place as a piece
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of treasured Americana.
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What's amazing is how much the EC books
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are remembered. There were hundreds and
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hundreds of comic books coming out every
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month in the '50s that no one remembers,
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that no one collects, that no one bases
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current fiction on inspirations of. Uh
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and yet these EC books seem to have
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crept into the sensibilities of a whole
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generation or two. They were so smart
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and they were so interesting. And the
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the art was so great and it was so well
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done and the and and
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they really were were so pure in what
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00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:20,160
they were. These EC horror comics are
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classic. They're classic horror stories.
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They're still wonderful today. And I
1136
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think this is why people love them. They
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haven't dated at all. I think EC comics
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are the greatest comics ever invented
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because they dared to be appalling and
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funny and crazy and witty all in one big
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wild ball of human commentary.
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Al Feldstein is considered to be one of
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the most talented writers and editors
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ever to work in comic books.
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He retired from Mad Magazine in 1984 and
1146
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now lives on a ranch in Montana where he
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paints wildlife scenes and recreations
1148
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of his famous horror and science fiction
1149
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covers.
1150
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I consider myself a very fortunate human
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being in having had a career that I
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loved, that I enjoyed doing. I'm
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fortunate that I had the opportunities
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presented to me
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by Bill and his open creative
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publishing.
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He had a great
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capacity
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for letting people with talent shine.
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And for that I'm eternally grateful.
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William M. Gaines died in 1992.
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To the general public, he is perhaps
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best remembered as the colorful and
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iconoclastic publisher of Mad.
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But to fans around the world, he is
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considered the heart and soul of the
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company that forever changed the face of
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comic books. Bill Gaines just didn't
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give a damn. He liked his comics the way
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they did them.
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And uh if you wanted to go along for the
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ride, great. And if you didn't, screw
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it. He was absolutely thrilled with the
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support from EC fans. You know, he came
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into the business not knowing anything
1176
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about the comic book industry. And he
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just did what he liked. And he was
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amazed to find that everyone else liked
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it, too.
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Like her father before her, Wendy Gaines
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Bucci has taken over the family business
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and has become the guardian of the EC
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legacy.
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When I was younger, EC didn't really
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mean a whole lot to me. I just knew it
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was something that my dad had done at
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one time. And as I grew older and
1188
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started to become familiar with the
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material and read the old comic books, I
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realized he was a genius and I never
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knew it. He was way ahead of his time
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and created something that he was very
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proud of and we were all very proud of,
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as well.
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