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Hey, here's a man who looks like
he has something to say.
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- Are we all set, Ronnie?
- Well, I bet.
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Hey, careful.
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Looks like he's got blubber shoes on,
too, today.
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A wonderful anonymous donor
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mailed a Monopoly Game piece.
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And right here in the middle of it
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was a little winning ticket
of $1 million.
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Somebody won a $1 million
Monopoly Game at McDonald's
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and God bless him decided to send that
money to the children at St. Jude.
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This is a great day. We at McDonald's
have a game going which
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a person won a game piece in Texas
and mailed it to St. Jude's anonymously
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and McDonald's worked out a way
to pay the game piece
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even though it can't be transferred.
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It's a wonderful Christmas story that
someone would give that anonymously,
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not want any recognition
for the children of St. Jude.
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The McDonald's Monopoly Game
went back to 1987,
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and so we didn't know
how long the contest was fixed.
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St. Jude's was listed as a winner
which was certainly an anomaly.
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We didn't know
if this is part of this conspiracy.
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We didn't know how Jerry Jacobson
was involved in this fraud's game
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or if he was Uncle Jerry.
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At first you think it's an alias name,
but it was at least half of the name.
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Hey, help me, Brett, will you?
Oh, this is heavy.
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Odds of finding the winning piece
were one in more than 206 million.
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Odds of someone giving it away,
heaven only knows.
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MCMILLIONS
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My name is Marvin Braun.
I live in Miami, Florida.
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Jerry Jacobson is my stepbrother.
Yes, he is my stepbrother.
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- And did that make you close?
- Yeah.
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I mean, we grew up as, I don't think
brother-brothers but we grew up close.
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We're only a week apart in age.
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His dream in life was always becoming
an FBI agent.
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There I was out on my first assignment.
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It never worked out.
But it's a funny story.
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If you said to me to describe the
story, I would say don't believe it,
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but it's true.
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Don't believe it. Just weird.
It's just weird how it happened.
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He had discussed about the game pieces
one time.
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I think it was 1989
and we had discussed
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how he would be able to possibly get
the $25,000 game piece
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and if we could do something with it,
whatever.
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Month later, six weeks later,
I don't remember,
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he showed up with the piece
and he says, "Cash it in."
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There's an 800 number to call which
I did. And they gave me instructions.
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I went to the post office. I registered
it, whatever the words are there,
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and everything else, and I sent it in.
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I think I was the first person
to turn that ticket in.
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He knew I'd keep my mouth shut,
that's the right way of saying it.
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He trusted me with it, yeah.
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- Did he tell you how he did it?
- No.
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No.
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So, we were looking into
Simon Marketing's Jerry Jacobson.
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Once we got the title III
surveillance listening to phone calls
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we had him on the wire
all day all night.
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So, we had thought,
"Hey, this may be the main guy."
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So then we started focusing more
on trying to figure out who he was.
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After really digging into this
Jerome Jacobson background,
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we discovered that he had been
a police officer in Hollywood, Florida.
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To become a police officer, you have to
be a level-headed individual,
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honesty and trustworthiness
is paramount.
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Jerry Jacobson was a patrolman.
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And he came to me in the parking lot
one morning.
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At that time I was investigating
the death of a newborn baby.
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We had no leads at all.
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And Jerry told me
that he had some psychic friends
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that read about the case
and that they were willing to assist.
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My reaction was I was grateful
and I did take him up on the offer.
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I don't know that there's anything
wrong having psychics as friends.
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I thought that was pretty wonderful.
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I met Jerry
at the Hollywood Police Department.
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We both were on the same squad
and we started about the same time.
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And one day he showed up
at my front door
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to inform that
my boyfriend was cheating on me.
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So, that's how I met Jerry.
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We dated off and on.
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And there were some good times
and some bad times,
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but we got married in Tennessee.
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I think it was '81.
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And Jerry became
a stepfather to my sons.
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What was it that attracted you to him
and made you want to get married?
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This big long silence isn't gonna be
in there, is it?
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One day he started to shave
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and he couldn't reach all the way up
to shave. It was difficult.
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And it was getting more difficult
every time he tried to move.
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By noon, he couldn't lift his arms,
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he couldn't lift his arms, period.
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So I took him to the hospital
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and they ran the test for
multiple sclerosis and
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Guillain-Barr�
and a couple of other things.
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And he had the Guillain-Barr�.
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He says he's got MS.
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But technically, it was Guillain-Barr�.
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I took leave from my work
and spent time at the hospital with him
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because his mother was gonna put him
in a nursing home.
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I gave him 15 minutes a day
to feel sorry for himself
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and after that 15 minutes,
we're gonna work.
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Because I felt like if we kept working,
we could stay ahead of the paralysis.
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So I fed him and gave him showers,
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and walked him up and down the hall,
and all of that stuff.
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After six or eight months,
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he finally turned around before
it got to his respiratory system.
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It was getting there
but it didn't quite take over.
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And then the next day,
after the next couple of days,
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it stabilized and then started
turning around a little bit.
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There's always a question why somebody
leaves a law enforcement career early.
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Many times, there's a good reason
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but there's always a question.
It's not typical.
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And in his case we learned that he had
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a health condition or an accident
that had him go out on a disability.
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He moved to Atlanta because there was
a doctor in Atlanta or a hospital
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that dealt with nothing but MS. I think
the MS really threw his life completely
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because I think he always wanted to be
in law enforcement,
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and having the MS
completely changed his life.
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We moved to Atlanta together.
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I got a job shortly after
we came here in security.
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He started getting better.
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And at that point,
he wanted to go back to work.
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Simon Marketing offered him a job
working security
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for the Monopoly promotions.
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We as the FBI
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could not and logically would not
march into Simon Marketing
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and start asking questions about Jerry
and that process.
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Generally when the FBI starts asking
questions people get a little spun up
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and wonder really why.
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We were working hand in hand
with McDonald's,
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just trying to figure out how much
they knew about Simon Marketing.
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Surprisingly, McDonald's didn't know
much about the process
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that Simon Marketing went through
with their promotional games.
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I wasn't familiar with Simon Marketing
at all until this investigation began.
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After that meeting with the FBI,
I realized that
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I needed to learn a bit more about
Simon Marketing and the promotion.
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So I setup a meeting
with Simon Marketing
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under the guise of trying to learn how
the security procedures were in place.
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We were able to enlist McDonald's
to do these inquiries on our behalf,
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but I think also on their behalf, too.
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Did you tell them that Jerome Jacobson
was a person of interest?
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Yeah. No,
we would have not told McDonald's
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because if we're wrong,
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we've sullied somebody's reputation
for no good reason.
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I don't know how much he was making
at Simon. His wife was working.
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I don't know if he needed the money.
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When Jerry talked to you, did he say,
"I think I can steal the tickets?"
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No, I think he said he has a contact
to get them or something.
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I think it was contact. It was not him.
It was not him.
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- It was not him.
- Wait, you're saying someone else?
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He gave me the idea it was not him
stealing the tickets
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that he had a contact
how to get the tickets.
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I was on the impression
Jerry was a security for it.
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In other words, that another person
was taking the tickets or whatever.
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I wasn't sure.
I thought Jerry was security.
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When I met with Simon Marketing
we went through the security procedures,
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and the procedures
at the printing press
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had a very thorough
and comprehensive operation
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for ensuring the security and integrity
of our game pieces.
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So I was very pleased with what I saw.
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McDonald's reports that the facility
there was incredibly secure and that
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this idea that things were loose
or they could walk right out of there
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was almost impossible,
highly, highly, highly unlikely.
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The obvious question was
how this whole process worked,
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how were game pieces printed,
distributed.
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Simon Marketing had these game pieces
made just north of Atlanta
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by a secure printing business.
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My name is Jack Sisk.
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I was working in security at Dittler
for around 15 years actually.
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My name is Perry Pealock
and I was the bindery supervisor.
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My name is Doyle Grant
and I was shipping clerk.
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My name is Gilben Peeples
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and I was the parch clerk
in the maintenance department.
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Dittler Brothers Printing was
a very secure printing company,
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and that's how we got into
the lottery business.
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And to scratch-off games.
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And I think that's one of the reasons
that we got the US postage stamp job.
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The federal government said,
"Hey, this place is very much secure."
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We got that and it went real well.
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And it grew from there
three or four years
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and McDonald's millions and millions of
dollars to pay to print all this stuff.
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I was the director of security for
Dittler Brothers between 1987 and 2000.
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And I worked with Jerry
when they were running Monopoly
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because Simon and Dittler
are real close.
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We had people in Dittler Brothers
24 hours.
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The Dittler Brothers facility
was very secure.
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They had to go through a guard check
to get into the facility,
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you had to sign in
when you got into the facility.
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Then you had to go through
another guard to get into the room
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where the state lotteries are being
produced along with our game pieces.
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When Monopoly was running
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it would take everything in the plant
running, it would get so big.
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That was our large customer
by a long shot.
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You're talking hundreds of millions
of game pieces.
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When we did press runs of winners,
we pretty much surrounded the press.
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They had alarm systems,
they had cameras,
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the gate was opened and it wouldn't
last, an alarm would go off.
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We had a big ball
when we had the winners in.
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There were two locks.
It's almost like back in the Cold War,
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you'd have two people in a missile silo
and it takes two.
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Jerry was in there for Simon
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to make sure that Dittler Brothers
were doing their jobs.
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Jerry would stand behind and look over
their shoulder, get their combination.
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Then he would raise holy hell
because we allowed him to do that.
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All the game pieces produced by
Dittler Brothers were loaded on trucks.
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Security would actually physically
lock the back of the truck.
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Once that truck left we normally would
get on an airplane, fly to that city,
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and meet the truck the next morning
to unlock it, break the seal,
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verify what was loaded.
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My name is Brian Litt�ral.
I work security/quality control for
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the games that McDonald's usually ran.
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We would bring the labels out,
free drinks, free fries.
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And the two pieces will assemble
together. The label on top of the cup.
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The higher level winners was done by
a different, more secure process.
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I would usually get a call saying that
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Jerry was gonna be coming in
with an independent auditor.
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Dittler Security has to be there,
Simon has to be there,
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the auditor has to be there, and the
customer service rep has to be there.
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And they all witnessed the winner run.
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The auditor will unlock the suitcase,
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there was an envelope inside
with signatures across the seal
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to make sure that it was still the same
contents as to when it was packaged.
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And inside there, there would be
a certain number of seeds.
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This is what a seed would look like.
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One of which was a high level winner,
the rest were commons
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and then I would insert them
in various production lines.
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No one knew and no one was supposed
to know where the high level winner was.
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So you go into the McDonald's,
you open up the game piece
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and maybe you're
an instant million-dollar winner.
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I won!
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I won!
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And so when these game pieces got to
the Simon Marketing Redemption Center
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and it goes to the process of
do we have a real winner?
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They literally would be opened
by a person with gloves,
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it's all being recorded.
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And there would always be an error
made in the winning game piece,
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saying on one corner there's a little
chip out of the word.
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We also write
on the million-dollar winner
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a little code on there
with a black light pen, you can't see.
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So if you show up with a piece that
doesn't have the code on it
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you're gonna get caught real soon.
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We were always a little bit overboard
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but yeah, we're protecting McDonald's
and that's a major reason they used us.
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And of course Jerry was in there
telling them how it needed to be built.
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How would you describe Jerry
when you were working with him?
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Everybody liked Jerry,
everybody in the office liked Jerry.
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Quite a little flashy. We always had
Thanksgiving, everybody sort of
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brought in a potluck at Thanksgiving.
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And Jerry always brought in ribs,
and his ribs were delicious.
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They would just fall off the bone.
Everybody look forward to his ribs but
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he didn't seem to be bigheaded at all.
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He was always very generous.
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If he made ribs for himself he would
make them for the whole office.
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Jerry was, is a generous fellow.
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We got divorced and even when
he was married again
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and I needed something
he would be right there.
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There's nothing stingy about him
at all.
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After we got divorced it was like,
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even though he was the head of security
for Simon,
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he still worked under my guidelines
in Dittler Brothers.
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I told him if he stole anything,
I'd kill him.
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When you got your check,
what was it like?
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Exciting, well, I'm not gonna lie,
it was exciting.
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I deposited it in, we split it.
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Down the road he came to me and
he said that he could do bigger pieces.
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I had not cashed in anything but
a $25,000 ticket,
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and I didn't want any parts of them.
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At that time I was going to New York
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every Tuesday morning and coming
home every Wednesday night.
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I was buying maternity clothes
in New York for my maternity shop.
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So I approached two people who were
manufacturers in New York
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that I dealt with for
many, many, many years.
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I approached them and they would be
interested in doing a deal with Jerry.
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- And who were those two people?
- I'd rather not mention names.
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Do you remember anybody
ever calling him Uncle Jerry?
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No. I'm pretty...
Maybe his nieces and nephews.
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No. I never heard anybody refer to him
as Uncle Jerry.
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For a while the question was
"Well, who is Uncle Jerry?
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Well, there's a Jerry Jacobson working
at Simon, that must be Uncle Jerry."
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00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,290
But there was always this inference
maybe that
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Uncle Jerry was somehow connected to
Italian organized crime
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because of the uncle connotation gives
almost like
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a Godfather-ish moniker.
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Then we found out that there was
another Jerry involved in this named
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Jerry Colombo.
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People everywhere are winning big.
Play the Monopoly Game at McDonald's,
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Jerry Colombo won a Dodge Viper.
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00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,240
And there are two one-million-dollar
prizes left.
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00:22:51,410 --> 00:22:55,410
My name is Frank Colombo.
I am brother of Jerry Gennaro Colombo.
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And I'm Heather Colombo.
And I am Frank Colombo's wife.
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I really wanted him to keep the car.
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00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:08,220
I was a young guy. "Dodge Viper,
pretty damn cool, can I borrow it?"
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But it was too small.
I mean, he was a big guy.
290
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,100
But it was funny because
all of my friends were calling me,
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"Hey, your brother won the car,
oh my God."
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00:23:16,730 --> 00:23:18,890
And I'm sitting going laughing,
at the back of my head going,
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"Yeah, okay, he won the car, sure."
294
00:23:20,650 --> 00:23:24,780
And it was just amusing,
that people believed it.
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It worked.
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I'm Robin Colombo, my husband is
Jerry Colombo, Gennaro Colombo.
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00:23:53,180 --> 00:23:56,720
He was part of the Colombo
crime family.
298
00:24:00,230 --> 00:24:04,480
That commercial
almost cost him his life
299
00:24:04,570 --> 00:24:06,610
because he wasn't supposed to do
commercial.
300
00:24:06,780 --> 00:24:13,280
And what is Jerry thinking to be in an
actual national TV commercial?
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00:24:13,370 --> 00:24:15,330
Because he's a ham.
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00:24:15,490 --> 00:24:19,870
He was even gonna be in a movie
with Jackie Chan as a matter of fact.
303
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,330
I said,
"What? You don't even sound right.
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00:24:23,420 --> 00:24:29,630
You a big ass Sicilian
and a China man in a Western."
305
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,930
I said "Oh my God."
306
00:24:32,010 --> 00:24:38,020
And it was that Shanghai Noon, Night,
whatever it is. It was that.
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00:24:38,970 --> 00:24:42,190
Ma, come get this dog out of here.
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00:24:42,270 --> 00:24:47,730
The Sicilian culture, of course,
it's family first no matter what.
309
00:24:47,820 --> 00:24:51,450
But when I met her I didn't want her
to know my last name
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because I want her to know me
and not my family.
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As a matter of fact
for the first three to four months
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I didn't even know his name.
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00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,250
He would go by
a completely different name
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00:25:02,330 --> 00:25:05,250
and only did I see a bracelet
on his wrist one day
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00:25:05,330 --> 00:25:08,710
and I questioned him on the name
that said Frank C
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00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,300
when this is entirely different
from the name that he gave me.
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00:25:11,470 --> 00:25:15,090
Yes. I went by Tony Inadi.
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00:25:17,890 --> 00:25:19,310
I keep that in the background,
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00:25:19,390 --> 00:25:23,520
not too many people know
who my family is until now.
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00:25:25,020 --> 00:25:29,110
Five families run New York's Italian-
American mafia. The names are familiar.
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00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:33,650
Bonanno, Gambino, Genovese,
and Lucchese, and Colombo.
322
00:25:33,740 --> 00:25:36,280
Police in Brooklyn pulled
a man's body out of the water,
323
00:25:36,450 --> 00:25:37,990
duct taped inside a blue tarp.
324
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,500
Police say someone also tied
a cinder-block to the victim's ankles.
325
00:25:42,580 --> 00:25:46,460
My name is Joe Colombo. I should be
treated the same as anybody else.
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00:25:46,540 --> 00:25:49,920
Joe Colombo.
Real estate broker, mafia boss,
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00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,090
and one of the biggest conman
in the history of organized crime.
328
00:25:54,170 --> 00:25:57,970
What was your reaction when you learned
the shooting occurred at the Colombos?
329
00:25:58,050 --> 00:26:00,260
I just heard about eight shots
330
00:26:00,350 --> 00:26:03,640
and I didn't think they were shots,
I thought they were firecrackers.
331
00:26:03,730 --> 00:26:07,270
His high profile caused rival
mob bosses to okay his murder.
332
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:10,770
The man some called
An Underworld Boss.
333
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:16,360
My brother wasn't the normal...
When you watch The Sopranos
334
00:26:16,450 --> 00:26:19,450
and it's the guys talking all about,
335
00:26:19,620 --> 00:26:21,370
"Hey, forget about it."
Those kind of nonsense.
336
00:26:21,540 --> 00:26:22,990
Forget about it.
Forget about it.
337
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,700
Nah, forget about it.
338
00:26:24,790 --> 00:26:25,960
Forget about it.
339
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:35,800
That's the movies.
Now did he do things like that?
340
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,180
Absolutely.
341
00:26:38,260 --> 00:26:40,970
But he did it with humor.
342
00:26:41,050 --> 00:26:43,600
More like...
I guess you could figure out,
343
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,640
Marlon Brando and Joe Pesci
and put them together,
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00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:50,310
you'll probably end up with my brother.
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00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,400
- That's pretty much it.
- That was it.
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00:26:52,570 --> 00:26:54,360
ONE MONTH LATER
347
00:26:54,440 --> 00:27:00,200
If you got Al Capone and Rodney
Dangerfield and mashed them together,
348
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,620
you got my brother.
I think that's a good analogy.
349
00:27:10,130 --> 00:27:13,960
The first time I met Jerry,
we looked at each other
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00:27:14,050 --> 00:27:17,220
and it was like...
the chemistry between us
351
00:27:17,380 --> 00:27:23,640
was crazy, like cartoon,
everything like boom, boom.
352
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,480
I was having a long distance
relationship with a federal agent
353
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,600
who was not that fun.
354
00:27:30,690 --> 00:27:35,360
And Jerry was fun.
So, I chose him.
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00:27:36,530 --> 00:27:40,490
My father was military and strict.
Very strict.
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00:27:41,410 --> 00:27:44,870
So, yeah, that didn't go over so well,
but I didn't care.
357
00:27:47,450 --> 00:27:48,620
I rebelled.
358
00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:54,880
We were married in Panama City,
Florida.
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00:27:55,050 --> 00:28:00,800
It wasn't as extravagant as you would
think because I was pregnant.
360
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,010
So, no Catholic wedding.
361
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:11,560
My brother Jerry had his hands
in a lot of different avenues.
362
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:16,610
He had some booking things that he was
doing with bookies and what have you.
363
00:28:16,690 --> 00:28:21,150
He was in charge of security
at the Taj Mahal for a few years.
364
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,490
That was the old Trump Taj Mahal.
365
00:28:24,570 --> 00:28:28,540
He would gamble and he would win a lot.
366
00:28:28,620 --> 00:28:31,330
I don't know if that was rigged as
well,
367
00:28:31,410 --> 00:28:33,120
possibly.
Everything is rigged in life.
368
00:28:33,210 --> 00:28:35,790
- Trust nothing anymore.
- Yeah.
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00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:41,880
He was always looking at a way
to make some good, easy money.
370
00:28:41,970 --> 00:28:46,720
You know we had the little gray M&M
as well, did you know that?
371
00:28:46,890 --> 00:28:49,350
Okay.
I used to smoke a half a joint a night.
372
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:55,230
I need to relax. I need to put on
something funny, and just let me chill.
373
00:28:56,650 --> 00:29:00,860
Well, when I would wake up
in the middle of the night,
374
00:29:00,940 --> 00:29:02,400
I had to have something sweet.
375
00:29:02,490 --> 00:29:05,870
So, I had Reese's Cups there
in the kitchen, right?
376
00:29:06,490 --> 00:29:12,290
He had to let me know there was
a gray M&M wrapped in aluminum foil
377
00:29:12,370 --> 00:29:13,830
and he told me, "Don't touch it."
378
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,710
The rules say,
if you find gray the impostor M&M's,
379
00:29:16,790 --> 00:29:19,050
the winning deck could be worth
one million dollars.
380
00:29:19,130 --> 00:29:20,590
Show me the money.
381
00:29:20,670 --> 00:29:26,550
And then he says, "You're also gonna
win a Publishers Clearing House"
382
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,010
when they come to your door and knock.
383
00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:30,560
You have won a million dollars
from Publishers Clearing House.
384
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,520
- I can't believe it.
- This is so good.
385
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,310
Real people really win the Publishers
Clearing House Sweepstakes.
386
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,440
They're probably gonna say,
"Oh, bullshit." You know, all that,
387
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,360
but I'm just telling you
what my husband told me.
388
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:47,530
Jerry wanted something big.
He kept threatening,
389
00:29:47,700 --> 00:29:50,740
"I can go work for my uncles
up in New York."
390
00:29:50,830 --> 00:29:55,620
I'm like, "Well, you know what,
I think it's time."
391
00:29:55,710 --> 00:29:59,880
You can spend too much time with
somebody and you don't play golf...
392
00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:05,880
And the only golf club he had was
about this big and that was, well...
393
00:30:09,050 --> 00:30:15,270
So he went up north and he got with
Uncle Dominic who was a Godfather.
394
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:18,020
So Uncle Dominic,
was he an actual uncle?
395
00:30:18,100 --> 00:30:21,770
No. They called that out of respect.
396
00:30:21,860 --> 00:30:23,570
He wasn't an actual uncle.
397
00:30:24,490 --> 00:30:27,070
But he loved my husband
398
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:32,540
because my husband was old school,
full-blooded Sicilian.
399
00:30:32,620 --> 00:30:35,710
He was hooking him up with everything.
400
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,460
My name's Jennifer Etheridge.
401
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:44,710
Robin Colombo's my mother,
Jerry Colombo is my stepfather.
402
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,760
You couldn't help not to like him
403
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:52,890
and especially with his career
that he was into.
404
00:30:52,970 --> 00:30:56,140
It was definitely intriguing
at the time.
405
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:59,480
He would show me duffel bags of money
and whip it out,
406
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,320
"Here you go.
Go buy you something nice."
407
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,570
And then I'd say,
when I was about 15, 16 years old,
408
00:31:05,650 --> 00:31:09,160
that's when Jerry
got into the Monopoly thing
409
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,080
and then that definitely was
a big deal.
410
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:19,420
He had promised me a million-dollar
ticket whenever I turned 18
411
00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:22,170
because nobody could have the same
last names.
412
00:31:22,250 --> 00:31:25,960
And since my last name was Etheridge
413
00:31:26,050 --> 00:31:29,260
I was gonna be able to win a
million-dollar ticket and I was like,
414
00:31:29,340 --> 00:31:32,550
"Oh, heck yeah, absolutely."
415
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,430
Your brother, how did he introduced
to this whole situation?
416
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,020
With the Monopoly situation.
417
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:44,320
Uncle Dominic worked for family
members in the New York division
418
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,240
and a mutual friend of his said,
419
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:52,320
"Hey, I got this guy that's doing this
and this, you might be interested."
420
00:31:52,410 --> 00:31:56,790
And that was Jerome
from Simon Marketing.
421
00:31:56,870 --> 00:32:00,000
He was getting the tickets.
422
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,800
Do you think that Uncle Dominic
had found Jerry Jacobson?
423
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,470
Like that this was something that
Uncle Dominic initiated?
424
00:32:12,550 --> 00:32:14,800
I don't know. Could've been.
425
00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:21,560
I think Jerome possibly started it
on his own in the beginning
426
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,360
and then people got wind of what he was
doing, and then they said,
427
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,070
"Hey, let's see if we can use this
as an avenue to expand it,
428
00:32:30,150 --> 00:32:32,780
and I believe that was brought to
my brother's attention and said,
429
00:32:32,860 --> 00:32:36,660
"This guy's doing this and let's see
if we can expand the horizon."
430
00:32:38,370 --> 00:32:44,790
But then Jerry, my Jerry, received
a phone call that Uncle Dominic died.
431
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,460
How did that happen?
432
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:50,420
You don't really talk about that.
433
00:32:51,470 --> 00:32:55,600
So anyway, my Jerry and Jerry Jacobson
434
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,600
became partners on the Monopoly thing.
435
00:32:59,770 --> 00:33:01,430
Two Jerrys?
436
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:15,070
Working any case is like a big puzzle.
You start with a little piece
437
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,870
and you've got to try to vet whether
that is legitimate,
438
00:33:19,950 --> 00:33:22,620
whether it has any merit to it.
439
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:29,170
The undercover portion with Michael
Hoover went beyond expectations.
440
00:33:29,250 --> 00:33:32,670
We had Michael Hoover
calling AJ Glomb.
441
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:37,600
We suspected Glomb was a recruiter and
442
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,180
he probably didn't just recruit Hoover.
443
00:33:40,260 --> 00:33:43,270
Is there a connection to Uncle Jerry?
444
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:48,310
We started looking into him and then
we expanded into other phone lines.
445
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:53,900
We had coverage on many lines
including Jerry Jacobson, AJ Glomb,
446
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:55,950
and a number of the winners.
447
00:33:56,110 --> 00:34:00,740
The spider web of...
we didn't know how big this was.
448
00:34:00,910 --> 00:34:05,160
We had this Uncle...
Everything was very general, nebulous.
449
00:34:05,330 --> 00:34:10,420
So inside the wire room people sitting
there, getting ready to listen
450
00:34:10,590 --> 00:34:12,510
and nothing happens, right?
451
00:34:12,590 --> 00:34:16,630
You put all this effort into it
and nothing happens
452
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,930
where you're spending your weekend
doing that.
453
00:34:19,010 --> 00:34:23,930
Unfortunately, in these conversations
on the wire, the winners mostly had
454
00:34:24,020 --> 00:34:27,980
innocuous conversations
that have nothing to do with the crime.
455
00:34:28,060 --> 00:34:30,520
So we start coming up with,
456
00:34:30,610 --> 00:34:37,740
"How do we get past winners to recount
how they allegedly won these pieces?"
457
00:34:37,820 --> 00:34:39,910
And I said, "Look, we can do this.
458
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:43,620
Why don't we bring all these
past winners to Vegas?"
459
00:34:43,790 --> 00:34:45,960
I just said, "Vegas."
That's all I said.
460
00:34:49,790 --> 00:34:52,710
I don't know why I picked Vegas,
probably because it's the fun thing,
461
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:57,840
which is the immediate, no.
But I said, "Just hear me out.
462
00:34:58,010 --> 00:35:02,720
Let's do a reunion
of all these past winners.
463
00:35:02,890 --> 00:35:04,850
Let's bring all these people together
and tell us."
464
00:35:04,930 --> 00:35:08,020
Because we didn't know their stories,
tell us how they won these
465
00:35:08,190 --> 00:35:12,310
and what they did with it.
Because McDonald's has big pockets,
466
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,070
they get some all expenses paid trips
to Vegas,
467
00:35:15,230 --> 00:35:18,320
balloons falling,
the confetti and they love that shit.
468
00:35:18,490 --> 00:35:21,370
And the questions were, "Matthews,
where are you gonna do this?"
469
00:35:21,530 --> 00:35:25,660
Embassy Suites. Take the whole floor.
Rope everything off, right?
470
00:35:25,830 --> 00:35:29,580
Just in case stupid shows up and you
have them all lined up in these rims,
471
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:33,880
and just arrest them all at the same
time, right? Great thing.
472
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,510
No. No way in hell.
473
00:35:37,970 --> 00:35:41,050
No, Doug. Not gonna do that.
474
00:35:41,220 --> 00:35:46,180
How much is that gonna cost us?
We did have some budgets to deal with.
475
00:35:46,350 --> 00:35:50,640
I can't remember what it was.
It was like, "Get him out of here."
476
00:35:50,730 --> 00:35:52,770
I can't believe you said that."
477
00:35:52,860 --> 00:35:56,610
Doug is one of the hardest working
agents I've ever in met my life.
478
00:35:56,690 --> 00:36:02,990
Very creative, he'll do anything, he'll
try anything, and he can talk forever.
479
00:36:03,070 --> 00:36:05,580
He is relentless.
480
00:36:07,870 --> 00:36:13,420
This idea of "hosting" a reunion
of past winners
481
00:36:13,580 --> 00:36:17,880
in Las Vegas seemed so outlandish
upfront and then we realized,
482
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:22,090
"Wait a minute, if you're not gonna
follow through with it,
483
00:36:22,260 --> 00:36:27,140
you can promise some pretty elaborate
things. Everybody likes to go to Vegas.
484
00:36:27,310 --> 00:36:30,730
So in preparation for that wonderful
conference that we were gonna have,
485
00:36:30,810 --> 00:36:33,600
all-expense paid,
we could contact these winners,
486
00:36:33,690 --> 00:36:37,480
go out and film them
to capture their so-called story
487
00:36:37,570 --> 00:36:41,900
and then you get this trip to Vegas.
488
00:36:42,780 --> 00:36:46,120
Rick was freaked out about it, but
I wasn't. I'm the guy that's just...
489
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,870
I know this is gonna work
because I know it is, right?
490
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,160
It's all shamrock, baby. Shamrock.
491
00:36:55,210 --> 00:36:58,340
I was the direct contact
with the winners
492
00:36:58,420 --> 00:37:01,550
so I could legitimize
all of the information.
493
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:04,970
It was all recorded,
and it was 17 years ago.
494
00:37:05,140 --> 00:37:07,680
So it was a big tape recorder
495
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,560
that I carried around
in a black McDonald's briefcase.
496
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:13,310
I even carried it to my friend's
wedding in Jackson Hall
497
00:37:13,390 --> 00:37:17,230
because I had to be able to tape
the calls whenever they came.
498
00:37:17,310 --> 00:37:20,150
It's like I had to flip the tape
and I'd be like,
499
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,900
"Can I put you on hold for a second?"
500
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:25,610
And then I'd flip the tape
and then put them back on.
501
00:37:27,950 --> 00:37:29,540
Amy would call them up and say,
502
00:37:29,620 --> 00:37:33,830
"Hey, look, we're putting together this
media release
503
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,840
of previous winners.
How they won it, what they did with it,
504
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,760
some of their story that hasn't been
really told.
505
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,300
We'll come to you
or you can come to us.
506
00:37:45,380 --> 00:37:49,010
Wherever we were gonna do it,
whatever hotel that you want."
507
00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:51,890
Nobody said no to that,
most everybody was like,
508
00:37:52,060 --> 00:37:53,850
"Tell me when we're going to Vegas."
509
00:37:54,020 --> 00:37:56,600
Obviously we were not gonna do
a reunion,
510
00:37:56,690 --> 00:38:01,020
but to the winners, we told them
"We're planning this big reunion."
511
00:38:01,190 --> 00:38:05,820
And we started to get them actually
excited to be going to Las Vegas.
512
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:09,830
That was kind of fundamental that
it was a bit of a ruse.
513
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:12,240
We didn't make reservations
in Las Vegas,
514
00:38:12,330 --> 00:38:15,960
I think the pitch was we're gonna put
your story up on the big screen
515
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,210
over at dinner
and everybody's gonna clap,
516
00:38:18,380 --> 00:38:21,630
and are you interested in the reunion
of winners, and of course they are.
517
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:26,300
Locking them into a story on camera
takes a
518
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:30,930
B-minus case
and makes it an A-plus case.
519
00:38:50,740 --> 00:38:54,410
My name is Doug Astralaga. I'm an FBI
agent and I was the lighting guy
520
00:38:54,490 --> 00:38:58,170
for the Shamrock Production
in the McDonald's case.
521
00:38:58,330 --> 00:39:01,460
So this is a little...
Yeah, I remember this.
522
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,140
Douglas Astralaga was a
523
00:39:10,220 --> 00:39:16,430
relatively young agent,
real enthusiastic, charismatic guy.
524
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,190
When I came out of Quantico,
I wanted to do something exciting.
525
00:39:20,270 --> 00:39:23,940
Originally, I had stuck him with
the admin agent on this Title III,
526
00:39:24,020 --> 00:39:28,360
which is of all the jobs
probably the most thankless.
527
00:39:28,450 --> 00:39:34,830
It really is a brutal job. But
there's a reward process that happens.
528
00:39:34,990 --> 00:39:38,160
In Doug's case,
we let him work on the undercover
529
00:39:38,250 --> 00:39:41,920
with Doug Matthews as
the "lighting guy."
530
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,460
I had no idea what I was doing.
531
00:39:43,630 --> 00:39:49,420
I was using this light meter, pressing
something and going, "It's great."
532
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:52,840
I still have no idea how to use
one of these.
533
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,260
Excellent. But I do believe we need
more lighting over here.
534
00:39:58,930 --> 00:40:03,440
Really the point was to engage them
in conversations. That had to reconcile
535
00:40:03,610 --> 00:40:07,570
with what they had originally stated
for McDonald's to win the prize.
536
00:40:07,650 --> 00:40:09,780
We recorded these interviews with them
537
00:40:09,860 --> 00:40:15,080
so the FBI could then match
the timeline, match the facts,
538
00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:19,540
what they originally told McDonald's,
what they're telling us on camera,
539
00:40:19,620 --> 00:40:22,750
what the FBI sort of already knew.
540
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,040
So that once we had the evidence
showing that
541
00:40:26,130 --> 00:40:29,970
you didn't win this legitimately,
you've lied to the FBI
542
00:40:30,050 --> 00:40:34,510
and here's the evidence to prove it,
they'd be more willing to cooperate.
543
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:39,730
Can you explain the difference between
entrapment and what the FBI did?
544
00:40:39,810 --> 00:40:46,770
The FBI was merely... When the FBI
took a film crew to a winner,
545
00:40:46,860 --> 00:40:51,780
that winner had already contacted
Simon Marketing
546
00:40:51,860 --> 00:40:56,320
hence McDonald's
claiming to have been a winner.
547
00:40:56,410 --> 00:40:59,910
They're already saying,
"I did this,
548
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,830
and this is how I obtained
this game piece."
549
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:08,130
An individual could never claim
that's entrapment because
550
00:41:08,210 --> 00:41:12,260
they did it before the law enforcement
was involved.
551
00:41:12,340 --> 00:41:18,680
Entrapment is to have law enforcement
put the idea into the person's head
552
00:41:18,850 --> 00:41:22,770
and to get him to do something
they otherwise wouldn't have done.
553
00:41:22,850 --> 00:41:26,310
We weren't saying,
"Say this, say this, and say that."
554
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:32,690
We were saying,
"How? What? Where? Who?"
555
00:41:32,780 --> 00:41:36,660
Those are just opportunities
for him to fill in the blanks
556
00:41:36,740 --> 00:41:39,660
and tell us what he wants to tell us.
557
00:41:39,740 --> 00:41:41,410
- Remember, just keep looking at me.
- Okay.
558
00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:45,960
If you mess up or you feel like you
wanna say it again, we can start again.
559
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:51,050
I'm not trying to put my hand gestures,
sometimes gets in there.
560
00:41:51,130 --> 00:41:57,260
Why don't we go back to that day
that you won in New Hampshire?
561
00:41:57,340 --> 00:41:59,550
And can you describe the day for us?
562
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,020
What you were doing in the morning
and at work, and then...
563
00:42:02,100 --> 00:42:05,770
It was a summer day.
564
00:42:07,650 --> 00:42:12,360
No, I wasn't working.
It was Sunday, as a matter of fact.
565
00:42:14,030 --> 00:42:17,570
And
there wasn't a whole lot of work to do,
566
00:42:17,660 --> 00:42:23,870
so, just browsing through
the Sunday paper as I am one to do.
567
00:42:23,950 --> 00:42:26,000
He was fumbling through
and trying to figure out
568
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,000
how he won that particular piece.
569
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:36,050
In reality, a life experience like that
is drilled into your memory forever.
570
00:42:36,130 --> 00:42:39,260
Nobody wins a million dollar
on a regular basis.
571
00:42:41,350 --> 00:42:45,020
I found the insert
572
00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:50,650
and I found the little tear-off tab
573
00:42:51,820 --> 00:42:56,070
and I got cold, very cold.
574
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:59,820
He was sweating so bad.
575
00:42:59,910 --> 00:43:05,160
I know at some point
Amy even said to me,
576
00:43:05,250 --> 00:43:10,460
"Every time you ask him a question, I
got to get the towel to dot his head."
577
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:17,010
It was pouring out because he was lying
about everything.
578
00:43:17,090 --> 00:43:20,300
Well, suffice to say,
I just got cold all over.
579
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:23,600
And then did you go to the McDonald's
to say that you had won or...
580
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:28,690
No. First, I wasn't so sure about it,
581
00:43:28,770 --> 00:43:30,650
I went to a lawyer.
582
00:43:30,730 --> 00:43:34,400
I did. I brought...
You need to protect yourself.
583
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,570
- Do you remember who that was, Buddy?
- No, I don't.
584
00:43:37,650 --> 00:43:40,990
- Was it a lawyer in Litchfield?
- No, it was...
585
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,240
Over in...
586
00:43:46,410 --> 00:43:48,000
You could zoom in, because we did...
587
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:52,290
Zooming in on his forehead
and you could just see the sweat.
588
00:43:55,170 --> 00:43:57,550
- You wanna take a sip of water?
- Yes.
589
00:43:57,630 --> 00:44:00,930
- Go ahead and dot your head too there.
- Yeah.
590
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,930
- I'm paying attention to that a bit.
- I'm leaking.
591
00:44:05,010 --> 00:44:06,140
Yeah, I understand.
592
00:44:06,220 --> 00:44:11,640
I'd say stuff like, "Hey, so nobody
called you up and said,
593
00:44:11,730 --> 00:44:16,940
'Hey, we need you to be a winner and
he'd go, "God, no, I'd never do that,"
594
00:44:17,110 --> 00:44:19,780
and he just pours,
the sweat would pour.
595
00:44:19,860 --> 00:44:24,620
I went to a lawyer, and he advised me
to pr...
596
00:44:24,700 --> 00:44:28,750
At all cost, protect my identity.
597
00:44:28,830 --> 00:44:30,620
It just seemed odd to me that
598
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:33,830
many of the people I talked to
did not wanna come forward,
599
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:38,000
and they seem to have knowledge about
what their legal rights were,
600
00:44:38,090 --> 00:44:40,630
about being anonymous or not.
601
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,430
Who is Buddy Fisher?
602
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:49,020
Buddy Fisher
was the father of Robin Colombo
603
00:44:49,180 --> 00:44:52,310
who was married to Jerry Colombo.
604
00:44:54,900 --> 00:45:00,900
I'll never forget it, I was upstairs
in my bedroom and my father called me.
605
00:45:00,990 --> 00:45:05,490
And there wasn't many words exchanged,
he just said, "I want the big one,"
606
00:45:05,570 --> 00:45:07,410
so I knew what he meant.
607
00:45:07,490 --> 00:45:12,120
He did get one of the million-dollar
tickets and he
608
00:45:12,210 --> 00:45:17,670
had never broken a law
in his entire life.
609
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:21,380
One stipulation
that my grandfather made, he says,
610
00:45:21,460 --> 00:45:27,390
"Okay, if I get this ticket,
I'm not doing a commercial."
611
00:45:27,470 --> 00:45:31,310
But I remember
we would be getting phone calls
612
00:45:31,390 --> 00:45:34,060
and they would talk to my grandfather
and say
613
00:45:34,140 --> 00:45:38,610
"Hey, we're trying to get all of the
Monopoly winners together
614
00:45:38,690 --> 00:45:41,320
for some kind of reunion
or something like that."
615
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,150
I wanna say it was Vegas.
So he didn't make that trip.
616
00:45:46,030 --> 00:45:49,330
Had your wife or anyone in your family
ever won anything like that before?
617
00:45:49,410 --> 00:45:50,450
No.
618
00:45:50,540 --> 00:45:51,830
- Never?
- Nothing.
619
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:55,330
- So this was big?
- It was huge.
620
00:45:55,420 --> 00:45:57,330
So you're the luckiest one
in your family, huh?
621
00:45:57,420 --> 00:45:59,090
Yes.
622
00:45:59,170 --> 00:46:03,260
So has any of your kids or grandkids
played Monopoly or tried to win?
623
00:46:03,340 --> 00:46:06,010
Yes, and they still do.
And we still do, yes.
624
00:46:06,090 --> 00:46:11,810
- Have any of them won any cars or...
- No. I think I won a cheeseburger.
625
00:46:13,850 --> 00:46:18,560
Would it surprise you to know that
he actually did an interview
626
00:46:18,650 --> 00:46:21,770
to possibly use at that reunion?
627
00:46:21,860 --> 00:46:26,280
You said he did do one?
I did not know that.
628
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,740
Oh. Okay, yeah, I did not know that.
629
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:34,500
Okay. Wow.
630
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:38,500
Is that around?
631
00:46:41,170 --> 00:46:45,340
You know, the greed was crazy here
which is great for us.
632
00:46:51,550 --> 00:46:56,350
One night Jerry and I were out
with our wives to dinner,
633
00:46:56,430 --> 00:46:58,230
and we went to the men's room together.
634
00:46:58,390 --> 00:47:02,520
It sounds horrible,
but we went to the men's room together.
635
00:47:02,610 --> 00:47:05,940
And Jerry gave me
a million-dollar ticket.
636
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,410
And I told him, "I don't wanna be
involved, I really don't."
637
00:47:10,490 --> 00:47:14,910
I did not cash it in, anything but
a $25,000-dollar ticket.
638
00:47:14,990 --> 00:47:18,960
I told him I didn't need the million
dollars, I told him I was out of it,
639
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,130
I said, "Jerry, I don't know
what you did with these guys,
640
00:47:22,210 --> 00:47:24,800
how much you made or anything else.
641
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:29,800
There's a time and there's a place,
spot, and everything else."
642
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,720
He said, "Well, just do something
with the ticket.
643
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,520
So I took the ticket
and I flushed it down the toilet."
644
00:47:39,310 --> 00:47:42,060
What was his reaction when you flushed
it down the toilet in front of him?
645
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:44,360
None, zero.
646
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,240
He didn't have any reaction to flushing
a million dollars down the toilet?
647
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,610
I didn't either. How's that?
648
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:58,200
Yeah. How's that? I didn't either. No.
I knew I was doing the right thing.
649
00:47:59,910 --> 00:48:04,590
And Jerry had told me it was over,
and that was it.
650
00:48:06,050 --> 00:48:07,090
I'm telling you,
651
00:48:07,170 --> 00:48:12,590
the night I flushed that ticket down
the toilet, I thought it was over.
652
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,850
I thought it was over.
653
00:48:14,930 --> 00:48:18,930
I swear to you, and everything holy,
I thought it was over.
654
00:48:24,980 --> 00:48:29,240
If I even suspected
he was taking tickets,
655
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,280
I would've told on him in a heartbeat
656
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,700
and he knew it.
I think that's why I didn't know it.
657
00:48:34,780 --> 00:48:37,870
I bet that's why I didn't get a ticket.
658
00:48:42,290 --> 00:48:46,630
After Jerry got sick with this
Guillain-Barr� syndrome,
659
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:49,460
there was something different in him.
660
00:48:49,550 --> 00:48:53,430
Even though he was
well on the road to mending,
661
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:56,300
he could have repercussions later on
662
00:48:56,470 --> 00:49:00,180
being crippled, or bedridden, or dead.
663
00:49:01,310 --> 00:49:04,940
So he had nothing to lose
at that point.
664
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,990
My husband, Jerry, we got a lot
of my family members involved.
665
00:49:11,150 --> 00:49:12,990
And that isn't all.
666
00:49:13,070 --> 00:49:18,410
My family members that won, that was
just a little piece of the pie.
667
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,250
You had Al Capone with the prohibition.
668
00:49:27,630 --> 00:49:31,210
You had Mike Franzese with the gas.
669
00:49:31,300 --> 00:49:35,430
And then now you have this,
the Monopoly.
670
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:43,390
That's really the highest three
moneymakers of the mob so far.
671
00:49:49,730 --> 00:49:54,900
My husband picked the winners.
He had tickets, he flew everywhere.
672
00:49:54,990 --> 00:49:58,410
I think Uncle Jerry even may have got
all jealous.
673
00:49:58,570 --> 00:50:01,450
Could you spell that out?
Jerry, Jerry, it's kind of...
674
00:50:01,540 --> 00:50:05,250
Uncle Jerry is Jerome Jacobson.
675
00:50:05,330 --> 00:50:08,250
And Jerry is my husband.
Jerry Colombo.
676
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:14,970
Jacobson became Uncle Jerry
because that's an Italian thing.
677
00:50:15,050 --> 00:50:19,180
My husband gave him that
out of respect.
678
00:50:30,110 --> 00:50:34,280
The general opinion of mankind is
running low this holiday season.
679
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:39,240
Here's a story that might make you feel
much, much better about the human race.
680
00:50:43,830 --> 00:50:48,540
St. Jude Children's Hospital in Memphis
received a very unusual gift.
681
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:58,050
Do you remember who gave that winning
piece away to St. Jude's Hospital?
682
00:50:58,130 --> 00:51:00,510
Yeah.
That's Uncle Jerry.
683
00:51:03,810 --> 00:51:07,520
Hospital officials are calling this
a gift from an angel
684
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,770
in the true spirit of the season.
685
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,400
This is a happy day.
686
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:27,790
If you're out there and you hear me,
we love you.
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