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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:15,930 --> 00:00:18,600 Hey, here's a man who looks like he has something to say. 2 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:20,350 - Are we all set, Ronnie? - Well, I bet. 3 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:21,480 Hey, careful. 4 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,690 Looks like he's got blubber shoes on, too, today. 5 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:30,280 A wonderful anonymous donor 6 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:35,580 mailed a Monopoly Game piece. 7 00:00:35,660 --> 00:00:38,200 And right here in the middle of it 8 00:00:38,290 --> 00:00:44,710 was a little winning ticket of $1 million. 9 00:00:51,300 --> 00:00:56,430 Somebody won a $1 million Monopoly Game at McDonald's 10 00:00:56,510 --> 00:01:02,230 and God bless him decided to send that money to the children at St. Jude. 11 00:01:02,390 --> 00:01:05,980 This is a great day. We at McDonald's have a game going which 12 00:01:06,150 --> 00:01:10,360 a person won a game piece in Texas and mailed it to St. Jude's anonymously 13 00:01:10,530 --> 00:01:12,950 and McDonald's worked out a way to pay the game piece 14 00:01:13,030 --> 00:01:15,240 even though it can't be transferred. 15 00:01:15,320 --> 00:01:21,160 It's a wonderful Christmas story that someone would give that anonymously, 16 00:01:21,330 --> 00:01:25,710 not want any recognition for the children of St. Jude. 17 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:32,760 The McDonald's Monopoly Game went back to 1987, 18 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:37,760 and so we didn't know how long the contest was fixed. 19 00:01:37,850 --> 00:01:43,230 St. Jude's was listed as a winner which was certainly an anomaly. 20 00:01:43,310 --> 00:01:46,810 We didn't know if this is part of this conspiracy. 21 00:01:47,900 --> 00:01:53,360 We didn't know how Jerry Jacobson was involved in this fraud's game 22 00:01:53,780 --> 00:01:57,280 or if he was Uncle Jerry. 23 00:01:57,370 --> 00:02:02,870 At first you think it's an alias name, but it was at least half of the name. 24 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,790 Hey, help me, Brett, will you? Oh, this is heavy. 25 00:02:05,870 --> 00:02:11,420 Odds of finding the winning piece were one in more than 206 million. 26 00:02:11,500 --> 00:02:15,470 Odds of someone giving it away, heaven only knows. 27 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:56,630 MCMILLIONS 28 00:03:19,780 --> 00:03:22,910 My name is Marvin Braun. I live in Miami, Florida. 29 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:28,250 Jerry Jacobson is my stepbrother. Yes, he is my stepbrother. 30 00:03:28,410 --> 00:03:31,080 - And did that make you close? - Yeah. 31 00:03:31,170 --> 00:03:36,420 I mean, we grew up as, I don't think brother-brothers but we grew up close. 32 00:03:37,340 --> 00:03:40,300 We're only a week apart in age. 33 00:03:40,380 --> 00:03:45,010 His dream in life was always becoming an FBI agent. 34 00:03:45,100 --> 00:03:48,310 There I was out on my first assignment. 35 00:03:48,390 --> 00:03:51,900 It never worked out. But it's a funny story. 36 00:03:52,060 --> 00:03:55,650 If you said to me to describe the story, I would say don't believe it, 37 00:03:55,730 --> 00:03:57,900 but it's true. 38 00:03:57,990 --> 00:04:03,070 Don't believe it. Just weird. It's just weird how it happened. 39 00:04:05,450 --> 00:04:08,660 He had discussed about the game pieces one time. 40 00:04:08,750 --> 00:04:12,540 I think it was 1989 and we had discussed 41 00:04:12,710 --> 00:04:18,960 how he would be able to possibly get the $25,000 game piece 42 00:04:19,050 --> 00:04:24,260 and if we could do something with it, whatever. 43 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,850 Month later, six weeks later, I don't remember, 44 00:04:31,020 --> 00:04:34,980 he showed up with the piece and he says, "Cash it in." 45 00:04:35,150 --> 00:04:40,690 There's an 800 number to call which I did. And they gave me instructions. 46 00:04:40,780 --> 00:04:45,990 I went to the post office. I registered it, whatever the words are there, 47 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,200 and everything else, and I sent it in. 48 00:04:52,750 --> 00:04:56,380 I think I was the first person to turn that ticket in. 49 00:04:57,420 --> 00:05:02,680 He knew I'd keep my mouth shut, that's the right way of saying it. 50 00:05:02,840 --> 00:05:05,260 He trusted me with it, yeah. 51 00:05:05,430 --> 00:05:08,010 - Did he tell you how he did it? - No. 52 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,310 No. 53 00:05:21,690 --> 00:05:27,410 So, we were looking into Simon Marketing's Jerry Jacobson. 54 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:35,120 Once we got the title III surveillance listening to phone calls 55 00:05:35,210 --> 00:05:38,790 we had him on the wire all day all night. 56 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:43,380 So, we had thought, "Hey, this may be the main guy." 57 00:05:43,550 --> 00:05:48,720 So then we started focusing more on trying to figure out who he was. 58 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:53,520 After really digging into this Jerome Jacobson background, 59 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:58,520 we discovered that he had been a police officer in Hollywood, Florida. 60 00:06:05,860 --> 00:06:10,240 To become a police officer, you have to be a level-headed individual, 61 00:06:10,330 --> 00:06:15,500 honesty and trustworthiness is paramount. 62 00:06:15,580 --> 00:06:18,080 Jerry Jacobson was a patrolman. 63 00:06:18,170 --> 00:06:23,300 And he came to me in the parking lot one morning. 64 00:06:23,380 --> 00:06:27,430 At that time I was investigating the death of a newborn baby. 65 00:06:27,590 --> 00:06:31,100 We had no leads at all. 66 00:06:31,260 --> 00:06:35,560 And Jerry told me that he had some psychic friends 67 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:41,900 that read about the case and that they were willing to assist. 68 00:06:41,980 --> 00:06:47,200 My reaction was I was grateful and I did take him up on the offer. 69 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:52,450 I don't know that there's anything wrong having psychics as friends. 70 00:06:52,530 --> 00:06:56,660 I thought that was pretty wonderful. 71 00:07:00,250 --> 00:07:03,550 I met Jerry at the Hollywood Police Department. 72 00:07:03,630 --> 00:07:09,300 We both were on the same squad and we started about the same time. 73 00:07:09,390 --> 00:07:12,260 And one day he showed up at my front door 74 00:07:12,350 --> 00:07:16,100 to inform that my boyfriend was cheating on me. 75 00:07:16,180 --> 00:07:18,850 So, that's how I met Jerry. 76 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,730 We dated off and on. 77 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,860 And there were some good times and some bad times, 78 00:07:31,370 --> 00:07:34,120 but we got married in Tennessee. 79 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,370 I think it was '81. 80 00:07:36,450 --> 00:07:40,540 And Jerry became a stepfather to my sons. 81 00:07:40,620 --> 00:07:45,630 What was it that attracted you to him and made you want to get married? 82 00:07:49,090 --> 00:07:53,760 This big long silence isn't gonna be in there, is it? 83 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,320 One day he started to shave 84 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:15,620 and he couldn't reach all the way up to shave. It was difficult. 85 00:08:15,700 --> 00:08:19,370 And it was getting more difficult every time he tried to move. 86 00:08:19,540 --> 00:08:23,460 By noon, he couldn't lift his arms, 87 00:08:23,540 --> 00:08:25,840 he couldn't lift his arms, period. 88 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,510 So I took him to the hospital 89 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,970 and they ran the test for multiple sclerosis and 90 00:08:34,140 --> 00:08:37,140 Guillain-Barr� and a couple of other things. 91 00:08:37,310 --> 00:08:39,810 And he had the Guillain-Barr�. 92 00:08:39,890 --> 00:08:42,850 He says he's got MS. 93 00:08:45,270 --> 00:08:47,900 But technically, it was Guillain-Barr�. 94 00:08:48,070 --> 00:08:52,740 I took leave from my work and spent time at the hospital with him 95 00:08:52,820 --> 00:08:56,450 because his mother was gonna put him in a nursing home. 96 00:08:58,620 --> 00:09:01,660 I gave him 15 minutes a day to feel sorry for himself 97 00:09:01,830 --> 00:09:04,460 and after that 15 minutes, we're gonna work. 98 00:09:04,540 --> 00:09:09,500 Because I felt like if we kept working, we could stay ahead of the paralysis. 99 00:09:10,670 --> 00:09:14,220 So I fed him and gave him showers, 100 00:09:14,300 --> 00:09:18,140 and walked him up and down the hall, and all of that stuff. 101 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,350 After six or eight months, 102 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:29,070 he finally turned around before it got to his respiratory system. 103 00:09:29,150 --> 00:09:33,280 It was getting there but it didn't quite take over. 104 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,490 And then the next day, after the next couple of days, 105 00:09:37,570 --> 00:09:42,080 it stabilized and then started turning around a little bit. 106 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:48,920 There's always a question why somebody leaves a law enforcement career early. 107 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,380 Many times, there's a good reason 108 00:09:51,550 --> 00:09:54,760 but there's always a question. It's not typical. 109 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,600 And in his case we learned that he had 110 00:09:58,680 --> 00:10:04,390 a health condition or an accident that had him go out on a disability. 111 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:11,360 He moved to Atlanta because there was a doctor in Atlanta or a hospital 112 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:16,280 that dealt with nothing but MS. I think the MS really threw his life completely 113 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:20,580 because I think he always wanted to be in law enforcement, 114 00:10:20,660 --> 00:10:25,210 and having the MS completely changed his life. 115 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,630 We moved to Atlanta together. 116 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:37,550 I got a job shortly after we came here in security. 117 00:10:37,630 --> 00:10:39,760 He started getting better. 118 00:10:42,430 --> 00:10:46,440 And at that point, he wanted to go back to work. 119 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:51,060 Simon Marketing offered him a job working security 120 00:10:51,230 --> 00:10:53,440 for the Monopoly promotions. 121 00:10:59,700 --> 00:11:01,620 We as the FBI 122 00:11:01,780 --> 00:11:07,250 could not and logically would not march into Simon Marketing 123 00:11:07,330 --> 00:11:12,170 and start asking questions about Jerry and that process. 124 00:11:12,340 --> 00:11:17,970 Generally when the FBI starts asking questions people get a little spun up 125 00:11:18,050 --> 00:11:19,930 and wonder really why. 126 00:11:20,010 --> 00:11:23,640 We were working hand in hand with McDonald's, 127 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:30,690 just trying to figure out how much they knew about Simon Marketing. 128 00:11:30,850 --> 00:11:35,400 Surprisingly, McDonald's didn't know much about the process 129 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:40,660 that Simon Marketing went through with their promotional games. 130 00:11:40,740 --> 00:11:46,290 I wasn't familiar with Simon Marketing at all until this investigation began. 131 00:11:46,450 --> 00:11:48,790 After that meeting with the FBI, I realized that 132 00:11:48,870 --> 00:11:53,670 I needed to learn a bit more about Simon Marketing and the promotion. 133 00:11:53,750 --> 00:11:55,590 So I setup a meeting with Simon Marketing 134 00:11:55,670 --> 00:12:01,550 under the guise of trying to learn how the security procedures were in place. 135 00:12:03,470 --> 00:12:08,520 We were able to enlist McDonald's to do these inquiries on our behalf, 136 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,810 but I think also on their behalf, too. 137 00:12:10,980 --> 00:12:14,900 Did you tell them that Jerome Jacobson was a person of interest? 138 00:12:14,980 --> 00:12:18,940 Yeah. No, we would have not told McDonald's 139 00:12:19,030 --> 00:12:20,950 because if we're wrong, 140 00:12:21,030 --> 00:12:24,740 we've sullied somebody's reputation for no good reason. 141 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:31,000 I don't know how much he was making at Simon. His wife was working. 142 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,750 I don't know if he needed the money. 143 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,880 When Jerry talked to you, did he say, "I think I can steal the tickets?" 144 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,510 No, I think he said he has a contact to get them or something. 145 00:12:41,590 --> 00:12:45,350 I think it was contact. It was not him. It was not him. 146 00:12:45,430 --> 00:12:49,850 - It was not him. - Wait, you're saying someone else? 147 00:12:49,930 --> 00:12:54,310 He gave me the idea it was not him stealing the tickets 148 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,650 that he had a contact how to get the tickets. 149 00:12:57,730 --> 00:13:01,240 I was on the impression Jerry was a security for it. 150 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:06,570 In other words, that another person was taking the tickets or whatever. 151 00:13:06,660 --> 00:13:10,620 I wasn't sure. I thought Jerry was security. 152 00:13:13,420 --> 00:13:17,040 When I met with Simon Marketing we went through the security procedures, 153 00:13:17,130 --> 00:13:19,710 and the procedures at the printing press 154 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:24,970 had a very thorough and comprehensive operation 155 00:13:25,050 --> 00:13:28,510 for ensuring the security and integrity of our game pieces. 156 00:13:28,680 --> 00:13:31,270 So I was very pleased with what I saw. 157 00:13:33,020 --> 00:13:37,440 McDonald's reports that the facility there was incredibly secure and that 158 00:13:37,610 --> 00:13:42,110 this idea that things were loose or they could walk right out of there 159 00:13:42,190 --> 00:13:46,110 was almost impossible, highly, highly, highly unlikely. 160 00:13:47,950 --> 00:13:50,790 The obvious question was how this whole process worked, 161 00:13:50,870 --> 00:13:54,500 how were game pieces printed, distributed. 162 00:13:55,750 --> 00:14:01,840 Simon Marketing had these game pieces made just north of Atlanta 163 00:14:02,010 --> 00:14:05,010 by a secure printing business. 164 00:14:18,690 --> 00:14:20,360 My name is Jack Sisk. 165 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:25,860 I was working in security at Dittler for around 15 years actually. 166 00:14:25,950 --> 00:14:29,490 My name is Perry Pealock and I was the bindery supervisor. 167 00:14:29,660 --> 00:14:32,490 My name is Doyle Grant and I was shipping clerk. 168 00:14:32,580 --> 00:14:34,160 My name is Gilben Peeples 169 00:14:34,330 --> 00:14:38,080 and I was the parch clerk in the maintenance department. 170 00:14:38,170 --> 00:14:42,750 Dittler Brothers Printing was a very secure printing company, 171 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,550 and that's how we got into the lottery business. 172 00:14:46,630 --> 00:14:49,220 And to scratch-off games. 173 00:14:49,300 --> 00:14:53,680 And I think that's one of the reasons that we got the US postage stamp job. 174 00:14:53,770 --> 00:14:56,270 The federal government said, "Hey, this place is very much secure." 175 00:14:56,350 --> 00:14:58,140 We got that and it went real well. 176 00:14:58,230 --> 00:15:01,150 And it grew from there three or four years 177 00:15:01,230 --> 00:15:06,190 and McDonald's millions and millions of dollars to pay to print all this stuff. 178 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:12,830 I was the director of security for Dittler Brothers between 1987 and 2000. 179 00:15:13,330 --> 00:15:16,620 And I worked with Jerry when they were running Monopoly 180 00:15:16,790 --> 00:15:19,870 because Simon and Dittler are real close. 181 00:15:25,090 --> 00:15:29,430 We had people in Dittler Brothers 24 hours. 182 00:15:30,130 --> 00:15:32,760 The Dittler Brothers facility was very secure. 183 00:15:32,850 --> 00:15:35,770 They had to go through a guard check to get into the facility, 184 00:15:35,930 --> 00:15:38,180 you had to sign in when you got into the facility. 185 00:15:38,350 --> 00:15:42,020 Then you had to go through another guard to get into the room 186 00:15:42,110 --> 00:15:46,780 where the state lotteries are being produced along with our game pieces. 187 00:15:47,690 --> 00:15:49,610 When Monopoly was running 188 00:15:49,700 --> 00:15:54,410 it would take everything in the plant running, it would get so big. 189 00:15:54,580 --> 00:15:58,000 That was our large customer by a long shot. 190 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:02,170 You're talking hundreds of millions of game pieces. 191 00:16:02,250 --> 00:16:06,670 When we did press runs of winners, we pretty much surrounded the press. 192 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,220 They had alarm systems, they had cameras, 193 00:16:09,380 --> 00:16:12,590 the gate was opened and it wouldn't last, an alarm would go off. 194 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,810 We had a big ball when we had the winners in. 195 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:22,270 There were two locks. It's almost like back in the Cold War, 196 00:16:22,350 --> 00:16:26,440 you'd have two people in a missile silo and it takes two. 197 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,320 Jerry was in there for Simon 198 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,820 to make sure that Dittler Brothers were doing their jobs. 199 00:16:32,990 --> 00:16:39,450 Jerry would stand behind and look over their shoulder, get their combination. 200 00:16:39,540 --> 00:16:44,500 Then he would raise holy hell because we allowed him to do that. 201 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:51,630 All the game pieces produced by Dittler Brothers were loaded on trucks. 202 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:56,260 Security would actually physically lock the back of the truck. 203 00:16:56,350 --> 00:17:00,520 Once that truck left we normally would get on an airplane, fly to that city, 204 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:05,020 and meet the truck the next morning to unlock it, break the seal, 205 00:17:05,100 --> 00:17:08,570 verify what was loaded. 206 00:17:08,650 --> 00:17:13,070 My name is Brian Litt�ral. I work security/quality control for 207 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,320 the games that McDonald's usually ran. 208 00:17:16,410 --> 00:17:20,200 We would bring the labels out, free drinks, free fries. 209 00:17:20,290 --> 00:17:25,370 And the two pieces will assemble together. The label on top of the cup. 210 00:17:26,210 --> 00:17:31,420 The higher level winners was done by a different, more secure process. 211 00:17:31,510 --> 00:17:34,010 I would usually get a call saying that 212 00:17:34,090 --> 00:17:38,760 Jerry was gonna be coming in with an independent auditor. 213 00:17:40,220 --> 00:17:43,560 Dittler Security has to be there, Simon has to be there, 214 00:17:43,730 --> 00:17:48,440 the auditor has to be there, and the customer service rep has to be there. 215 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,400 And they all witnessed the winner run. 216 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,780 The auditor will unlock the suitcase, 217 00:17:53,860 --> 00:17:57,280 there was an envelope inside with signatures across the seal 218 00:17:57,370 --> 00:18:01,580 to make sure that it was still the same contents as to when it was packaged. 219 00:18:01,660 --> 00:18:05,210 And inside there, there would be a certain number of seeds. 220 00:18:05,290 --> 00:18:06,790 This is what a seed would look like. 221 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,590 One of which was a high level winner, the rest were commons 222 00:18:09,670 --> 00:18:12,960 and then I would insert them in various production lines. 223 00:18:13,050 --> 00:18:18,470 No one knew and no one was supposed to know where the high level winner was. 224 00:18:21,810 --> 00:18:25,230 So you go into the McDonald's, you open up the game piece 225 00:18:25,390 --> 00:18:27,520 and maybe you're an instant million-dollar winner. 226 00:18:27,690 --> 00:18:28,810 I won! 227 00:18:28,900 --> 00:18:30,310 I won! 228 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:35,150 And so when these game pieces got to the Simon Marketing Redemption Center 229 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:40,030 and it goes to the process of do we have a real winner? 230 00:18:42,870 --> 00:18:46,750 They literally would be opened by a person with gloves, 231 00:18:46,910 --> 00:18:49,920 it's all being recorded. 232 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:55,210 And there would always be an error made in the winning game piece, 233 00:18:55,300 --> 00:19:00,300 saying on one corner there's a little chip out of the word. 234 00:19:00,390 --> 00:19:04,140 We also write on the million-dollar winner 235 00:19:04,310 --> 00:19:09,400 a little code on there with a black light pen, you can't see. 236 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,730 So if you show up with a piece that doesn't have the code on it 237 00:19:13,900 --> 00:19:16,190 you're gonna get caught real soon. 238 00:19:19,450 --> 00:19:21,780 We were always a little bit overboard 239 00:19:21,950 --> 00:19:28,160 but yeah, we're protecting McDonald's and that's a major reason they used us. 240 00:19:28,250 --> 00:19:33,380 And of course Jerry was in there telling them how it needed to be built. 241 00:19:33,460 --> 00:19:36,550 How would you describe Jerry when you were working with him? 242 00:19:36,630 --> 00:19:39,930 Everybody liked Jerry, everybody in the office liked Jerry. 243 00:19:40,010 --> 00:19:45,720 Quite a little flashy. We always had Thanksgiving, everybody sort of 244 00:19:45,890 --> 00:19:47,730 brought in a potluck at Thanksgiving. 245 00:19:47,810 --> 00:19:52,400 And Jerry always brought in ribs, and his ribs were delicious. 246 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:57,990 They would just fall off the bone. Everybody look forward to his ribs but 247 00:19:58,070 --> 00:20:00,740 he didn't seem to be bigheaded at all. 248 00:20:00,820 --> 00:20:02,490 He was always very generous. 249 00:20:02,570 --> 00:20:06,620 If he made ribs for himself he would make them for the whole office. 250 00:20:06,790 --> 00:20:10,210 Jerry was, is a generous fellow. 251 00:20:10,870 --> 00:20:15,210 We got divorced and even when he was married again 252 00:20:15,290 --> 00:20:19,470 and I needed something he would be right there. 253 00:20:19,550 --> 00:20:22,130 There's nothing stingy about him at all. 254 00:20:22,300 --> 00:20:25,010 After we got divorced it was like, 255 00:20:25,100 --> 00:20:28,390 even though he was the head of security for Simon, 256 00:20:28,470 --> 00:20:33,440 he still worked under my guidelines in Dittler Brothers. 257 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,730 I told him if he stole anything, I'd kill him. 258 00:20:47,870 --> 00:20:51,460 When you got your check, what was it like? 259 00:20:51,540 --> 00:20:55,920 Exciting, well, I'm not gonna lie, it was exciting. 260 00:20:56,090 --> 00:20:58,800 I deposited it in, we split it. 261 00:21:00,340 --> 00:21:06,140 Down the road he came to me and he said that he could do bigger pieces. 262 00:21:06,300 --> 00:21:11,140 I had not cashed in anything but a $25,000 ticket, 263 00:21:11,230 --> 00:21:14,020 and I didn't want any parts of them. 264 00:21:14,100 --> 00:21:17,270 At that time I was going to New York 265 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,690 every Tuesday morning and coming home every Wednesday night. 266 00:21:20,780 --> 00:21:25,610 I was buying maternity clothes in New York for my maternity shop. 267 00:21:25,700 --> 00:21:29,700 So I approached two people who were manufacturers in New York 268 00:21:29,790 --> 00:21:33,540 that I dealt with for many, many, many years. 269 00:21:33,620 --> 00:21:38,460 I approached them and they would be interested in doing a deal with Jerry. 270 00:21:38,540 --> 00:21:42,720 - And who were those two people? - I'd rather not mention names. 271 00:21:45,130 --> 00:21:47,300 Do you remember anybody ever calling him Uncle Jerry? 272 00:21:47,390 --> 00:21:52,220 No. I'm pretty... Maybe his nieces and nephews. 273 00:21:55,890 --> 00:22:00,570 No. I never heard anybody refer to him as Uncle Jerry. 274 00:22:03,150 --> 00:22:06,910 For a while the question was "Well, who is Uncle Jerry? 275 00:22:06,990 --> 00:22:12,950 Well, there's a Jerry Jacobson working at Simon, that must be Uncle Jerry." 276 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,290 But there was always this inference maybe that 277 00:22:16,370 --> 00:22:22,130 Uncle Jerry was somehow connected to Italian organized crime 278 00:22:22,300 --> 00:22:26,630 because of the uncle connotation gives almost like 279 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,550 a Godfather-ish moniker. 280 00:22:32,850 --> 00:22:37,850 Then we found out that there was another Jerry involved in this named 281 00:22:39,900 --> 00:22:41,070 Jerry Colombo. 282 00:22:41,730 --> 00:22:46,280 People everywhere are winning big. Play the Monopoly Game at McDonald's, 283 00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:48,110 Jerry Colombo won a Dodge Viper. 284 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,240 And there are two one-million-dollar prizes left. 285 00:22:51,410 --> 00:22:55,410 My name is Frank Colombo. I am brother of Jerry Gennaro Colombo. 286 00:22:55,580 --> 00:23:00,210 And I'm Heather Colombo. And I am Frank Colombo's wife. 287 00:23:00,790 --> 00:23:02,880 I really wanted him to keep the car. 288 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:08,220 I was a young guy. "Dodge Viper, pretty damn cool, can I borrow it?" 289 00:23:08,300 --> 00:23:11,550 But it was too small. I mean, he was a big guy. 290 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,100 But it was funny because all of my friends were calling me, 291 00:23:14,180 --> 00:23:16,640 "Hey, your brother won the car, oh my God." 292 00:23:16,730 --> 00:23:18,890 And I'm sitting going laughing, at the back of my head going, 293 00:23:18,980 --> 00:23:20,560 "Yeah, okay, he won the car, sure." 294 00:23:20,650 --> 00:23:24,780 And it was just amusing, that people believed it. 295 00:23:24,940 --> 00:23:27,650 It worked. 296 00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:51,300 I'm Robin Colombo, my husband is Jerry Colombo, Gennaro Colombo. 297 00:23:53,180 --> 00:23:56,720 He was part of the Colombo crime family. 298 00:24:00,230 --> 00:24:04,480 That commercial almost cost him his life 299 00:24:04,570 --> 00:24:06,610 because he wasn't supposed to do commercial. 300 00:24:06,780 --> 00:24:13,280 And what is Jerry thinking to be in an actual national TV commercial? 301 00:24:13,370 --> 00:24:15,330 Because he's a ham. 302 00:24:15,490 --> 00:24:19,870 He was even gonna be in a movie with Jackie Chan as a matter of fact. 303 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,330 I said, "What? You don't even sound right. 304 00:24:23,420 --> 00:24:29,630 You a big ass Sicilian and a China man in a Western." 305 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,930 I said "Oh my God." 306 00:24:32,010 --> 00:24:38,020 And it was that Shanghai Noon, Night, whatever it is. It was that. 307 00:24:38,970 --> 00:24:42,190 Ma, come get this dog out of here. 308 00:24:42,270 --> 00:24:47,730 The Sicilian culture, of course, it's family first no matter what. 309 00:24:47,820 --> 00:24:51,450 But when I met her I didn't want her to know my last name 310 00:24:51,530 --> 00:24:54,820 because I want her to know me and not my family. 311 00:24:54,910 --> 00:24:57,620 As a matter of fact for the first three to four months 312 00:24:57,780 --> 00:25:00,000 I didn't even know his name. 313 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,250 He would go by a completely different name 314 00:25:02,330 --> 00:25:05,250 and only did I see a bracelet on his wrist one day 315 00:25:05,330 --> 00:25:08,710 and I questioned him on the name that said Frank C 316 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,300 when this is entirely different from the name that he gave me. 317 00:25:11,470 --> 00:25:15,090 Yes. I went by Tony Inadi. 318 00:25:17,890 --> 00:25:19,310 I keep that in the background, 319 00:25:19,390 --> 00:25:23,520 not too many people know who my family is until now. 320 00:25:25,020 --> 00:25:29,110 Five families run New York's Italian- American mafia. The names are familiar. 321 00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:33,650 Bonanno, Gambino, Genovese, and Lucchese, and Colombo. 322 00:25:33,740 --> 00:25:36,280 Police in Brooklyn pulled a man's body out of the water, 323 00:25:36,450 --> 00:25:37,990 duct taped inside a blue tarp. 324 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,500 Police say someone also tied a cinder-block to the victim's ankles. 325 00:25:42,580 --> 00:25:46,460 My name is Joe Colombo. I should be treated the same as anybody else. 326 00:25:46,540 --> 00:25:49,920 Joe Colombo. Real estate broker, mafia boss, 327 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,090 and one of the biggest conman in the history of organized crime. 328 00:25:54,170 --> 00:25:57,970 What was your reaction when you learned the shooting occurred at the Colombos? 329 00:25:58,050 --> 00:26:00,260 I just heard about eight shots 330 00:26:00,350 --> 00:26:03,640 and I didn't think they were shots, I thought they were firecrackers. 331 00:26:03,730 --> 00:26:07,270 His high profile caused rival mob bosses to okay his murder. 332 00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:10,770 The man some called An Underworld Boss. 333 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:16,360 My brother wasn't the normal... When you watch The Sopranos 334 00:26:16,450 --> 00:26:19,450 and it's the guys talking all about, 335 00:26:19,620 --> 00:26:21,370 "Hey, forget about it." Those kind of nonsense. 336 00:26:21,540 --> 00:26:22,990 Forget about it. Forget about it. 337 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,700 Nah, forget about it. 338 00:26:24,790 --> 00:26:25,960 Forget about it. 339 00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:35,800 That's the movies. Now did he do things like that? 340 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,180 Absolutely. 341 00:26:38,260 --> 00:26:40,970 But he did it with humor. 342 00:26:41,050 --> 00:26:43,600 More like... I guess you could figure out, 343 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,640 Marlon Brando and Joe Pesci and put them together, 344 00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:50,310 you'll probably end up with my brother. 345 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,400 - That's pretty much it. - That was it. 346 00:26:52,570 --> 00:26:54,360 ONE MONTH LATER 347 00:26:54,440 --> 00:27:00,200 If you got Al Capone and Rodney Dangerfield and mashed them together, 348 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,620 you got my brother. I think that's a good analogy. 349 00:27:10,130 --> 00:27:13,960 The first time I met Jerry, we looked at each other 350 00:27:14,050 --> 00:27:17,220 and it was like... the chemistry between us 351 00:27:17,380 --> 00:27:23,640 was crazy, like cartoon, everything like boom, boom. 352 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,480 I was having a long distance relationship with a federal agent 353 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,600 who was not that fun. 354 00:27:30,690 --> 00:27:35,360 And Jerry was fun. So, I chose him. 355 00:27:36,530 --> 00:27:40,490 My father was military and strict. Very strict. 356 00:27:41,410 --> 00:27:44,870 So, yeah, that didn't go over so well, but I didn't care. 357 00:27:47,450 --> 00:27:48,620 I rebelled. 358 00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:54,880 We were married in Panama City, Florida. 359 00:27:55,050 --> 00:28:00,800 It wasn't as extravagant as you would think because I was pregnant. 360 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,010 So, no Catholic wedding. 361 00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:11,560 My brother Jerry had his hands in a lot of different avenues. 362 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:16,610 He had some booking things that he was doing with bookies and what have you. 363 00:28:16,690 --> 00:28:21,150 He was in charge of security at the Taj Mahal for a few years. 364 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,490 That was the old Trump Taj Mahal. 365 00:28:24,570 --> 00:28:28,540 He would gamble and he would win a lot. 366 00:28:28,620 --> 00:28:31,330 I don't know if that was rigged as well, 367 00:28:31,410 --> 00:28:33,120 possibly. Everything is rigged in life. 368 00:28:33,210 --> 00:28:35,790 - Trust nothing anymore. - Yeah. 369 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:41,880 He was always looking at a way to make some good, easy money. 370 00:28:41,970 --> 00:28:46,720 You know we had the little gray M&M as well, did you know that? 371 00:28:46,890 --> 00:28:49,350 Okay. I used to smoke a half a joint a night. 372 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:55,230 I need to relax. I need to put on something funny, and just let me chill. 373 00:28:56,650 --> 00:29:00,860 Well, when I would wake up in the middle of the night, 374 00:29:00,940 --> 00:29:02,400 I had to have something sweet. 375 00:29:02,490 --> 00:29:05,870 So, I had Reese's Cups there in the kitchen, right? 376 00:29:06,490 --> 00:29:12,290 He had to let me know there was a gray M&M wrapped in aluminum foil 377 00:29:12,370 --> 00:29:13,830 and he told me, "Don't touch it." 378 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,710 The rules say, if you find gray the impostor M&M's, 379 00:29:16,790 --> 00:29:19,050 the winning deck could be worth one million dollars. 380 00:29:19,130 --> 00:29:20,590 Show me the money. 381 00:29:20,670 --> 00:29:26,550 And then he says, "You're also gonna win a Publishers Clearing House" 382 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,010 when they come to your door and knock. 383 00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:30,560 You have won a million dollars from Publishers Clearing House. 384 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,520 - I can't believe it. - This is so good. 385 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,310 Real people really win the Publishers Clearing House Sweepstakes. 386 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,440 They're probably gonna say, "Oh, bullshit." You know, all that, 387 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,360 but I'm just telling you what my husband told me. 388 00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:47,530 Jerry wanted something big. He kept threatening, 389 00:29:47,700 --> 00:29:50,740 "I can go work for my uncles up in New York." 390 00:29:50,830 --> 00:29:55,620 I'm like, "Well, you know what, I think it's time." 391 00:29:55,710 --> 00:29:59,880 You can spend too much time with somebody and you don't play golf... 392 00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:05,880 And the only golf club he had was about this big and that was, well... 393 00:30:09,050 --> 00:30:15,270 So he went up north and he got with Uncle Dominic who was a Godfather. 394 00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:18,020 So Uncle Dominic, was he an actual uncle? 395 00:30:18,100 --> 00:30:21,770 No. They called that out of respect. 396 00:30:21,860 --> 00:30:23,570 He wasn't an actual uncle. 397 00:30:24,490 --> 00:30:27,070 But he loved my husband 398 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:32,540 because my husband was old school, full-blooded Sicilian. 399 00:30:32,620 --> 00:30:35,710 He was hooking him up with everything. 400 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,460 My name's Jennifer Etheridge. 401 00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:44,710 Robin Colombo's my mother, Jerry Colombo is my stepfather. 402 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,760 You couldn't help not to like him 403 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:52,890 and especially with his career that he was into. 404 00:30:52,970 --> 00:30:56,140 It was definitely intriguing at the time. 405 00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:59,480 He would show me duffel bags of money and whip it out, 406 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,320 "Here you go. Go buy you something nice." 407 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,570 And then I'd say, when I was about 15, 16 years old, 408 00:31:05,650 --> 00:31:09,160 that's when Jerry got into the Monopoly thing 409 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,080 and then that definitely was a big deal. 410 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:19,420 He had promised me a million-dollar ticket whenever I turned 18 411 00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:22,170 because nobody could have the same last names. 412 00:31:22,250 --> 00:31:25,960 And since my last name was Etheridge 413 00:31:26,050 --> 00:31:29,260 I was gonna be able to win a million-dollar ticket and I was like, 414 00:31:29,340 --> 00:31:32,550 "Oh, heck yeah, absolutely." 415 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,430 Your brother, how did he introduced to this whole situation? 416 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,020 With the Monopoly situation. 417 00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:44,320 Uncle Dominic worked for family members in the New York division 418 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,240 and a mutual friend of his said, 419 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:52,320 "Hey, I got this guy that's doing this and this, you might be interested." 420 00:31:52,410 --> 00:31:56,790 And that was Jerome from Simon Marketing. 421 00:31:56,870 --> 00:32:00,000 He was getting the tickets. 422 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,800 Do you think that Uncle Dominic had found Jerry Jacobson? 423 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,470 Like that this was something that Uncle Dominic initiated? 424 00:32:12,550 --> 00:32:14,800 I don't know. Could've been. 425 00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:21,560 I think Jerome possibly started it on his own in the beginning 426 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,360 and then people got wind of what he was doing, and then they said, 427 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,070 "Hey, let's see if we can use this as an avenue to expand it, 428 00:32:30,150 --> 00:32:32,780 and I believe that was brought to my brother's attention and said, 429 00:32:32,860 --> 00:32:36,660 "This guy's doing this and let's see if we can expand the horizon." 430 00:32:38,370 --> 00:32:44,790 But then Jerry, my Jerry, received a phone call that Uncle Dominic died. 431 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,460 How did that happen? 432 00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:50,420 You don't really talk about that. 433 00:32:51,470 --> 00:32:55,600 So anyway, my Jerry and Jerry Jacobson 434 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,600 became partners on the Monopoly thing. 435 00:32:59,770 --> 00:33:01,430 Two Jerrys? 436 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:15,070 Working any case is like a big puzzle. You start with a little piece 437 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,870 and you've got to try to vet whether that is legitimate, 438 00:33:19,950 --> 00:33:22,620 whether it has any merit to it. 439 00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:29,170 The undercover portion with Michael Hoover went beyond expectations. 440 00:33:29,250 --> 00:33:32,670 We had Michael Hoover calling AJ Glomb. 441 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:37,600 We suspected Glomb was a recruiter and 442 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,180 he probably didn't just recruit Hoover. 443 00:33:40,260 --> 00:33:43,270 Is there a connection to Uncle Jerry? 444 00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:48,310 We started looking into him and then we expanded into other phone lines. 445 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:53,900 We had coverage on many lines including Jerry Jacobson, AJ Glomb, 446 00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:55,950 and a number of the winners. 447 00:33:56,110 --> 00:34:00,740 The spider web of... we didn't know how big this was. 448 00:34:00,910 --> 00:34:05,160 We had this Uncle... Everything was very general, nebulous. 449 00:34:05,330 --> 00:34:10,420 So inside the wire room people sitting there, getting ready to listen 450 00:34:10,590 --> 00:34:12,510 and nothing happens, right? 451 00:34:12,590 --> 00:34:16,630 You put all this effort into it and nothing happens 452 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,930 where you're spending your weekend doing that. 453 00:34:19,010 --> 00:34:23,930 Unfortunately, in these conversations on the wire, the winners mostly had 454 00:34:24,020 --> 00:34:27,980 innocuous conversations that have nothing to do with the crime. 455 00:34:28,060 --> 00:34:30,520 So we start coming up with, 456 00:34:30,610 --> 00:34:37,740 "How do we get past winners to recount how they allegedly won these pieces?" 457 00:34:37,820 --> 00:34:39,910 And I said, "Look, we can do this. 458 00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:43,620 Why don't we bring all these past winners to Vegas?" 459 00:34:43,790 --> 00:34:45,960 I just said, "Vegas." That's all I said. 460 00:34:49,790 --> 00:34:52,710 I don't know why I picked Vegas, probably because it's the fun thing, 461 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:57,840 which is the immediate, no. But I said, "Just hear me out. 462 00:34:58,010 --> 00:35:02,720 Let's do a reunion of all these past winners. 463 00:35:02,890 --> 00:35:04,850 Let's bring all these people together and tell us." 464 00:35:04,930 --> 00:35:08,020 Because we didn't know their stories, tell us how they won these 465 00:35:08,190 --> 00:35:12,310 and what they did with it. Because McDonald's has big pockets, 466 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,070 they get some all expenses paid trips to Vegas, 467 00:35:15,230 --> 00:35:18,320 balloons falling, the confetti and they love that shit. 468 00:35:18,490 --> 00:35:21,370 And the questions were, "Matthews, where are you gonna do this?" 469 00:35:21,530 --> 00:35:25,660 Embassy Suites. Take the whole floor. Rope everything off, right? 470 00:35:25,830 --> 00:35:29,580 Just in case stupid shows up and you have them all lined up in these rims, 471 00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:33,880 and just arrest them all at the same time, right? Great thing. 472 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,510 No. No way in hell. 473 00:35:37,970 --> 00:35:41,050 No, Doug. Not gonna do that. 474 00:35:41,220 --> 00:35:46,180 How much is that gonna cost us? We did have some budgets to deal with. 475 00:35:46,350 --> 00:35:50,640 I can't remember what it was. It was like, "Get him out of here." 476 00:35:50,730 --> 00:35:52,770 I can't believe you said that." 477 00:35:52,860 --> 00:35:56,610 Doug is one of the hardest working agents I've ever in met my life. 478 00:35:56,690 --> 00:36:02,990 Very creative, he'll do anything, he'll try anything, and he can talk forever. 479 00:36:03,070 --> 00:36:05,580 He is relentless. 480 00:36:07,870 --> 00:36:13,420 This idea of "hosting" a reunion of past winners 481 00:36:13,580 --> 00:36:17,880 in Las Vegas seemed so outlandish upfront and then we realized, 482 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:22,090 "Wait a minute, if you're not gonna follow through with it, 483 00:36:22,260 --> 00:36:27,140 you can promise some pretty elaborate things. Everybody likes to go to Vegas. 484 00:36:27,310 --> 00:36:30,730 So in preparation for that wonderful conference that we were gonna have, 485 00:36:30,810 --> 00:36:33,600 all-expense paid, we could contact these winners, 486 00:36:33,690 --> 00:36:37,480 go out and film them to capture their so-called story 487 00:36:37,570 --> 00:36:41,900 and then you get this trip to Vegas. 488 00:36:42,780 --> 00:36:46,120 Rick was freaked out about it, but I wasn't. I'm the guy that's just... 489 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,870 I know this is gonna work because I know it is, right? 490 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,160 It's all shamrock, baby. Shamrock. 491 00:36:55,210 --> 00:36:58,340 I was the direct contact with the winners 492 00:36:58,420 --> 00:37:01,550 so I could legitimize all of the information. 493 00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:04,970 It was all recorded, and it was 17 years ago. 494 00:37:05,140 --> 00:37:07,680 So it was a big tape recorder 495 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,560 that I carried around in a black McDonald's briefcase. 496 00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:13,310 I even carried it to my friend's wedding in Jackson Hall 497 00:37:13,390 --> 00:37:17,230 because I had to be able to tape the calls whenever they came. 498 00:37:17,310 --> 00:37:20,150 It's like I had to flip the tape and I'd be like, 499 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,900 "Can I put you on hold for a second?" 500 00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:25,610 And then I'd flip the tape and then put them back on. 501 00:37:27,950 --> 00:37:29,540 Amy would call them up and say, 502 00:37:29,620 --> 00:37:33,830 "Hey, look, we're putting together this media release 503 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,840 of previous winners. How they won it, what they did with it, 504 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,760 some of their story that hasn't been really told. 505 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,300 We'll come to you or you can come to us. 506 00:37:45,380 --> 00:37:49,010 Wherever we were gonna do it, whatever hotel that you want." 507 00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:51,890 Nobody said no to that, most everybody was like, 508 00:37:52,060 --> 00:37:53,850 "Tell me when we're going to Vegas." 509 00:37:54,020 --> 00:37:56,600 Obviously we were not gonna do a reunion, 510 00:37:56,690 --> 00:38:01,020 but to the winners, we told them "We're planning this big reunion." 511 00:38:01,190 --> 00:38:05,820 And we started to get them actually excited to be going to Las Vegas. 512 00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:09,830 That was kind of fundamental that it was a bit of a ruse. 513 00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:12,240 We didn't make reservations in Las Vegas, 514 00:38:12,330 --> 00:38:15,960 I think the pitch was we're gonna put your story up on the big screen 515 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,210 over at dinner and everybody's gonna clap, 516 00:38:18,380 --> 00:38:21,630 and are you interested in the reunion of winners, and of course they are. 517 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:26,300 Locking them into a story on camera takes a 518 00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:30,930 B-minus case and makes it an A-plus case. 519 00:38:50,740 --> 00:38:54,410 My name is Doug Astralaga. I'm an FBI agent and I was the lighting guy 520 00:38:54,490 --> 00:38:58,170 for the Shamrock Production in the McDonald's case. 521 00:38:58,330 --> 00:39:01,460 So this is a little... Yeah, I remember this. 522 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,140 Douglas Astralaga was a 523 00:39:10,220 --> 00:39:16,430 relatively young agent, real enthusiastic, charismatic guy. 524 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,190 When I came out of Quantico, I wanted to do something exciting. 525 00:39:20,270 --> 00:39:23,940 Originally, I had stuck him with the admin agent on this Title III, 526 00:39:24,020 --> 00:39:28,360 which is of all the jobs probably the most thankless. 527 00:39:28,450 --> 00:39:34,830 It really is a brutal job. But there's a reward process that happens. 528 00:39:34,990 --> 00:39:38,160 In Doug's case, we let him work on the undercover 529 00:39:38,250 --> 00:39:41,920 with Doug Matthews as the "lighting guy." 530 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,460 I had no idea what I was doing. 531 00:39:43,630 --> 00:39:49,420 I was using this light meter, pressing something and going, "It's great." 532 00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:52,840 I still have no idea how to use one of these. 533 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,260 Excellent. But I do believe we need more lighting over here. 534 00:39:58,930 --> 00:40:03,440 Really the point was to engage them in conversations. That had to reconcile 535 00:40:03,610 --> 00:40:07,570 with what they had originally stated for McDonald's to win the prize. 536 00:40:07,650 --> 00:40:09,780 We recorded these interviews with them 537 00:40:09,860 --> 00:40:15,080 so the FBI could then match the timeline, match the facts, 538 00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:19,540 what they originally told McDonald's, what they're telling us on camera, 539 00:40:19,620 --> 00:40:22,750 what the FBI sort of already knew. 540 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,040 So that once we had the evidence showing that 541 00:40:26,130 --> 00:40:29,970 you didn't win this legitimately, you've lied to the FBI 542 00:40:30,050 --> 00:40:34,510 and here's the evidence to prove it, they'd be more willing to cooperate. 543 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:39,730 Can you explain the difference between entrapment and what the FBI did? 544 00:40:39,810 --> 00:40:46,770 The FBI was merely... When the FBI took a film crew to a winner, 545 00:40:46,860 --> 00:40:51,780 that winner had already contacted Simon Marketing 546 00:40:51,860 --> 00:40:56,320 hence McDonald's claiming to have been a winner. 547 00:40:56,410 --> 00:40:59,910 They're already saying, "I did this, 548 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,830 and this is how I obtained this game piece." 549 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:08,130 An individual could never claim that's entrapment because 550 00:41:08,210 --> 00:41:12,260 they did it before the law enforcement was involved. 551 00:41:12,340 --> 00:41:18,680 Entrapment is to have law enforcement put the idea into the person's head 552 00:41:18,850 --> 00:41:22,770 and to get him to do something they otherwise wouldn't have done. 553 00:41:22,850 --> 00:41:26,310 We weren't saying, "Say this, say this, and say that." 554 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:32,690 We were saying, "How? What? Where? Who?" 555 00:41:32,780 --> 00:41:36,660 Those are just opportunities for him to fill in the blanks 556 00:41:36,740 --> 00:41:39,660 and tell us what he wants to tell us. 557 00:41:39,740 --> 00:41:41,410 - Remember, just keep looking at me. - Okay. 558 00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:45,960 If you mess up or you feel like you wanna say it again, we can start again. 559 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:51,050 I'm not trying to put my hand gestures, sometimes gets in there. 560 00:41:51,130 --> 00:41:57,260 Why don't we go back to that day that you won in New Hampshire? 561 00:41:57,340 --> 00:41:59,550 And can you describe the day for us? 562 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,020 What you were doing in the morning and at work, and then... 563 00:42:02,100 --> 00:42:05,770 It was a summer day. 564 00:42:07,650 --> 00:42:12,360 No, I wasn't working. It was Sunday, as a matter of fact. 565 00:42:14,030 --> 00:42:17,570 And there wasn't a whole lot of work to do, 566 00:42:17,660 --> 00:42:23,870 so, just browsing through the Sunday paper as I am one to do. 567 00:42:23,950 --> 00:42:26,000 He was fumbling through and trying to figure out 568 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,000 how he won that particular piece. 569 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:36,050 In reality, a life experience like that is drilled into your memory forever. 570 00:42:36,130 --> 00:42:39,260 Nobody wins a million dollar on a regular basis. 571 00:42:41,350 --> 00:42:45,020 I found the insert 572 00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:50,650 and I found the little tear-off tab 573 00:42:51,820 --> 00:42:56,070 and I got cold, very cold. 574 00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:59,820 He was sweating so bad. 575 00:42:59,910 --> 00:43:05,160 I know at some point Amy even said to me, 576 00:43:05,250 --> 00:43:10,460 "Every time you ask him a question, I got to get the towel to dot his head." 577 00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:17,010 It was pouring out because he was lying about everything. 578 00:43:17,090 --> 00:43:20,300 Well, suffice to say, I just got cold all over. 579 00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:23,600 And then did you go to the McDonald's to say that you had won or... 580 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:28,690 No. First, I wasn't so sure about it, 581 00:43:28,770 --> 00:43:30,650 I went to a lawyer. 582 00:43:30,730 --> 00:43:34,400 I did. I brought... You need to protect yourself. 583 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,570 - Do you remember who that was, Buddy? - No, I don't. 584 00:43:37,650 --> 00:43:40,990 - Was it a lawyer in Litchfield? - No, it was... 585 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,240 Over in... 586 00:43:46,410 --> 00:43:48,000 You could zoom in, because we did... 587 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:52,290 Zooming in on his forehead and you could just see the sweat. 588 00:43:55,170 --> 00:43:57,550 - You wanna take a sip of water? - Yes. 589 00:43:57,630 --> 00:44:00,930 - Go ahead and dot your head too there. - Yeah. 590 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,930 - I'm paying attention to that a bit. - I'm leaking. 591 00:44:05,010 --> 00:44:06,140 Yeah, I understand. 592 00:44:06,220 --> 00:44:11,640 I'd say stuff like, "Hey, so nobody called you up and said, 593 00:44:11,730 --> 00:44:16,940 'Hey, we need you to be a winner and he'd go, "God, no, I'd never do that," 594 00:44:17,110 --> 00:44:19,780 and he just pours, the sweat would pour. 595 00:44:19,860 --> 00:44:24,620 I went to a lawyer, and he advised me to pr... 596 00:44:24,700 --> 00:44:28,750 At all cost, protect my identity. 597 00:44:28,830 --> 00:44:30,620 It just seemed odd to me that 598 00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:33,830 many of the people I talked to did not wanna come forward, 599 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:38,000 and they seem to have knowledge about what their legal rights were, 600 00:44:38,090 --> 00:44:40,630 about being anonymous or not. 601 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,430 Who is Buddy Fisher? 602 00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:49,020 Buddy Fisher was the father of Robin Colombo 603 00:44:49,180 --> 00:44:52,310 who was married to Jerry Colombo. 604 00:44:54,900 --> 00:45:00,900 I'll never forget it, I was upstairs in my bedroom and my father called me. 605 00:45:00,990 --> 00:45:05,490 And there wasn't many words exchanged, he just said, "I want the big one," 606 00:45:05,570 --> 00:45:07,410 so I knew what he meant. 607 00:45:07,490 --> 00:45:12,120 He did get one of the million-dollar tickets and he 608 00:45:12,210 --> 00:45:17,670 had never broken a law in his entire life. 609 00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:21,380 One stipulation that my grandfather made, he says, 610 00:45:21,460 --> 00:45:27,390 "Okay, if I get this ticket, I'm not doing a commercial." 611 00:45:27,470 --> 00:45:31,310 But I remember we would be getting phone calls 612 00:45:31,390 --> 00:45:34,060 and they would talk to my grandfather and say 613 00:45:34,140 --> 00:45:38,610 "Hey, we're trying to get all of the Monopoly winners together 614 00:45:38,690 --> 00:45:41,320 for some kind of reunion or something like that." 615 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,150 I wanna say it was Vegas. So he didn't make that trip. 616 00:45:46,030 --> 00:45:49,330 Had your wife or anyone in your family ever won anything like that before? 617 00:45:49,410 --> 00:45:50,450 No. 618 00:45:50,540 --> 00:45:51,830 - Never? - Nothing. 619 00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:55,330 - So this was big? - It was huge. 620 00:45:55,420 --> 00:45:57,330 So you're the luckiest one in your family, huh? 621 00:45:57,420 --> 00:45:59,090 Yes. 622 00:45:59,170 --> 00:46:03,260 So has any of your kids or grandkids played Monopoly or tried to win? 623 00:46:03,340 --> 00:46:06,010 Yes, and they still do. And we still do, yes. 624 00:46:06,090 --> 00:46:11,810 - Have any of them won any cars or... - No. I think I won a cheeseburger. 625 00:46:13,850 --> 00:46:18,560 Would it surprise you to know that he actually did an interview 626 00:46:18,650 --> 00:46:21,770 to possibly use at that reunion? 627 00:46:21,860 --> 00:46:26,280 You said he did do one? I did not know that. 628 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,740 Oh. Okay, yeah, I did not know that. 629 00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:34,500 Okay. Wow. 630 00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:38,500 Is that around? 631 00:46:41,170 --> 00:46:45,340 You know, the greed was crazy here which is great for us. 632 00:46:51,550 --> 00:46:56,350 One night Jerry and I were out with our wives to dinner, 633 00:46:56,430 --> 00:46:58,230 and we went to the men's room together. 634 00:46:58,390 --> 00:47:02,520 It sounds horrible, but we went to the men's room together. 635 00:47:02,610 --> 00:47:05,940 And Jerry gave me a million-dollar ticket. 636 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,410 And I told him, "I don't wanna be involved, I really don't." 637 00:47:10,490 --> 00:47:14,910 I did not cash it in, anything but a $25,000-dollar ticket. 638 00:47:14,990 --> 00:47:18,960 I told him I didn't need the million dollars, I told him I was out of it, 639 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,130 I said, "Jerry, I don't know what you did with these guys, 640 00:47:22,210 --> 00:47:24,800 how much you made or anything else. 641 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:29,800 There's a time and there's a place, spot, and everything else." 642 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,720 He said, "Well, just do something with the ticket. 643 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,520 So I took the ticket and I flushed it down the toilet." 644 00:47:39,310 --> 00:47:42,060 What was his reaction when you flushed it down the toilet in front of him? 645 00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:44,360 None, zero. 646 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,240 He didn't have any reaction to flushing a million dollars down the toilet? 647 00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,610 I didn't either. How's that? 648 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:58,200 Yeah. How's that? I didn't either. No. I knew I was doing the right thing. 649 00:47:59,910 --> 00:48:04,590 And Jerry had told me it was over, and that was it. 650 00:48:06,050 --> 00:48:07,090 I'm telling you, 651 00:48:07,170 --> 00:48:12,590 the night I flushed that ticket down the toilet, I thought it was over. 652 00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,850 I thought it was over. 653 00:48:14,930 --> 00:48:18,930 I swear to you, and everything holy, I thought it was over. 654 00:48:24,980 --> 00:48:29,240 If I even suspected he was taking tickets, 655 00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,280 I would've told on him in a heartbeat 656 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,700 and he knew it. I think that's why I didn't know it. 657 00:48:34,780 --> 00:48:37,870 I bet that's why I didn't get a ticket. 658 00:48:42,290 --> 00:48:46,630 After Jerry got sick with this Guillain-Barr� syndrome, 659 00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:49,460 there was something different in him. 660 00:48:49,550 --> 00:48:53,430 Even though he was well on the road to mending, 661 00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:56,300 he could have repercussions later on 662 00:48:56,470 --> 00:49:00,180 being crippled, or bedridden, or dead. 663 00:49:01,310 --> 00:49:04,940 So he had nothing to lose at that point. 664 00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,990 My husband, Jerry, we got a lot of my family members involved. 665 00:49:11,150 --> 00:49:12,990 And that isn't all. 666 00:49:13,070 --> 00:49:18,410 My family members that won, that was just a little piece of the pie. 667 00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,250 You had Al Capone with the prohibition. 668 00:49:27,630 --> 00:49:31,210 You had Mike Franzese with the gas. 669 00:49:31,300 --> 00:49:35,430 And then now you have this, the Monopoly. 670 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:43,390 That's really the highest three moneymakers of the mob so far. 671 00:49:49,730 --> 00:49:54,900 My husband picked the winners. He had tickets, he flew everywhere. 672 00:49:54,990 --> 00:49:58,410 I think Uncle Jerry even may have got all jealous. 673 00:49:58,570 --> 00:50:01,450 Could you spell that out? Jerry, Jerry, it's kind of... 674 00:50:01,540 --> 00:50:05,250 Uncle Jerry is Jerome Jacobson. 675 00:50:05,330 --> 00:50:08,250 And Jerry is my husband. Jerry Colombo. 676 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:14,970 Jacobson became Uncle Jerry because that's an Italian thing. 677 00:50:15,050 --> 00:50:19,180 My husband gave him that out of respect. 678 00:50:30,110 --> 00:50:34,280 The general opinion of mankind is running low this holiday season. 679 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:39,240 Here's a story that might make you feel much, much better about the human race. 680 00:50:43,830 --> 00:50:48,540 St. Jude Children's Hospital in Memphis received a very unusual gift. 681 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:58,050 Do you remember who gave that winning piece away to St. Jude's Hospital? 682 00:50:58,130 --> 00:51:00,510 Yeah. That's Uncle Jerry. 683 00:51:03,810 --> 00:51:07,520 Hospital officials are calling this a gift from an angel 684 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,770 in the true spirit of the season. 685 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,400 This is a happy day. 686 00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:27,790 If you're out there and you hear me, we love you. 61913

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