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ANNOUNCER: Tonight on
"Unsolved Mysteries."
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ROBERT STACK:
Newlywed Judy Smith
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joined her husband on a
business trip to Philadelphia.
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Then she vanished
without a trace.
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Some believe she was
assaulted and lost her memory.
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Others thought she engineered
her own disappearance.
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A young girl and a 5-month-old
infant are abducted.
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Now, two grief stricken mothers
need your help in finding
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their missing children.
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Like the character
Dr. Doolittle,
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Sonya Fitzpatrick says she
can talk to the animals.
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Case after case she
astounds the skeptics.
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Is it a miraculous gift or
merely clever showmanship?
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After an explosion and fire
destroyed an Arizona home,
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firefighters discovered
the murdered bodies
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of a woman and her two children
in the smoldering ruins,
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but the man of the house
was nowhere to be found.
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Could this seemingly
devoted husband and father
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have been involved in
killing his own family?
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Join me.
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Someone somewhere has
the one vital clue
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that can help solve a mystery.
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Perhaps it's you.
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Philadelphia, Pennsylvania--
Jeff and Judy Smith
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are on vacation, mixing
business with pleasure.
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Jim has spent the
day at a conference.
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Judy has been sightseeing.
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They have agreed to meet
at their hotel at 5:00 PM.
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Judy?
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JEFF SMITH: So I got back to
the hotel room about 5:30,
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and she wasn't there.
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And by about 6:30, I was
starting to get, uh, worried.
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She was somebody who believed
in being absolutely on time.
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In fact, if you were
on time, you were
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already late by her standards.
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ROBERT STACK: Jeff contacts
hospitals and the police,
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but he turns up nothing.
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He then searches
Philadelphia by taxi.
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Driver, I want to follow
the route for the flash bus.
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ROBERT STACK: He traces a
path of the tour bus Judy
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had planned to ride that day.
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JEFF SMITH: I was fearful that
something had happened to her,
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but I actually believed that
I would be able to find her.
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It was mind boggling.
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I just couldn't figure out what
could have happened to her.
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ROBERT STACK: Months went by,
but no trace of Judy Smith
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was found.
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The Philadelphia
police were just as
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perplexed as her husband.
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They could find no evidence she
had been murdered or abducted.
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Judy's family believes
she had an accident
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and developed amnesia, but
some of her closest friends
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were convinced she engineered
her own disappearance.
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AMY HARTFORD: It didn't
make sense to me.
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So I thought that my mom
didn't know who she was
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and was lost in the
city, and, you know,
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that was horrible to think.
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ROBERT STACK: Judy Smith shared
a special closeness with Amy,
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but two divorces had
created a void in her life.
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She and Jeff were
married only five
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months before she disappeared.
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Independent and
strong willed, she
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was adept at looking
out for herself,
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yet possessed a generous spirit.
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JEFF SMITH: Judy was
caring, loving, responsible
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and someone I loved deeply.
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She had a way-- and
she did this for me.
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She just, uh, took
people into our lives
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and somehow made
them better just
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by being who she was because
she was a very caring person.
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ROBERT STACK: The mystery began
at Boston's Logan Airport.
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Here, a curious chain of
events began to unfold.
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Judy failed to bring
her driver's license.
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Airline regulations
prohibited her from boarding
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her flight without a photo ID.
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JEFF SMITH: And she
told me to go ahead,
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and that she would
take a later plane,
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and come down and meet me.
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With some reluctance,
I agreed to do that.
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Thanks, I'll give you a call.
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ROBERT STACK: In
Philadelphia that day,
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Jeff attended his
business conference.
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Hi, hon.
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ROBERT STACK: At 10:00 PM,
Judy arrived at their hotel.
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I, um-- I brought you some
flowers as an apology for what
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happened in the airport.
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Oh, you don't
have to apologize.
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I missed you so much.
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How was your flight?
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ROBERT STACK: Sometime after
9 o'clock the next morning,
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Judy set out for her
day of sightseeing.
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As always, she
carried her belongings
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in her trademark red backpack.
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She had told Jeff she planned
to visit Independence Hall
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and see the Liberty Bell.
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Whatever caused Judy
to vanish occurred
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during the next eight hours.
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After the Philadelphia police
turned up no trace of Judy,
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Jeff had no choice but
to return to Boston.
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From his office, he faxed and
mailed 9,000 flyers about Judy
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from Maine to Florida.
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He also hired three
private investigators,
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but they uncovered
no significant clues.
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Five months after Judy
vanished, a father and son
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were hiking near
Asheville, North Carolina.
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They found a partially buried
skeleton, which animals have
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strewn over a 100 yard area.
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LT. SAM CONSTANCE: Our victim
was a white female, probably
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in her late 40s to mid 50s,
and the pathologist report
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indicates that there's
puncture wounds
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and cuts on the bra, which could
be consistent with stab wounds.
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ROBERT STACK: Jeff's
flyers had been circulated
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throughout the area,
so a request was
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made for Judy's dental records.
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Forensics experts
confirmed that the homicide
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victim was Judy Smith.
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AMY HARTFORD: I was shocked.
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I guess you always anticipate
that your parent will die,
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but not early.
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We always talked about when
I would have kids and--
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and looking forward to
that day, and-- and, um, I
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guess I just never thought that
she wouldn't be there for that.
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The information came that
the dental records matched,
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and my first reaction
was I didn't believe it.
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ROBERT STACK: How did
Judy Smith end up 700
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miles from where she vanished?
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Four eyewitnesses
in Asheville claimed
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to have encountered Judy just
days after she had mysteriously
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vanished from Philadelphia.
- Hi there.
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Hi.
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ROBERT STACK: One of them was
retail clerk Joanne Stucker.
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She seemed very alert to me.
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She was very pleasant.
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I didn't see anything about her
that would indicate that she
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wasn't right in any way.
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Where are you from?
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I'm from Boston.
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Oh, I love Boston.
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I have a friend living there.
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Judy Casey--
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Casey, that's it.
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Really?
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My name's Judy, too.
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She told me her
husband was an attorney,
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and that they were from
Boston, and that they
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had been in Pennsylvania.
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And he was at a
convention, and she
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had decided to come down here.
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ROBERT STACK: If Judy
left Philadelphia
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of her own free will,
a question loomed--
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why?
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CAROLYN DICKEY: At the time
this happened, Jeff and Judy's
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marriage was very tenuous.
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I believe that
something did happen
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in Boston that triggered
her to want to have
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some time away from Jeff.
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I don't believe that
she would have shown up
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at the airport without
her driver's license
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if she hadn't decided that
that was a way for her to kind
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of gracefully let Jeff
head towards Philadelphia
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and give her some time.
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And I think then she maybe
did show up at the hotel,
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brought him flowers to placate
him, and then made her move.
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JEFF SMITH: I'm not going to try
to suggest that she and I never
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had a disagreement,
but I believe
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she was happy with her
life at this point.
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AMY HARTFORD: She loved
Jeff, and you don't--
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you don't do that to
someone that you love,
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and if she did leave, the
only thing I could think
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is maybe she--
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something happened to her
before she had time to call.
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ROBERT STACK: What scenario
resulted in Judy's murder
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in an isolated area
of North Carolina?
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Who stabbed her and left
her in a shallow grave?
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Was it a stranger or
someone she may have
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schemed to meet in Asheville?
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If you're looking for the, uh,
mystery man, there wasn't one.
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Is it this way?
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CAROLYN DICKEY: Judy
was the type of person
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that could have easily
bumped into another person
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and spent some time with them.
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Everybody was a
good person to Judy,
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and I think that was what made
her vulnerable to whatever
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happened to her.
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It doesn't make sense that my
mom would leave Philadelphia.
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It doesn't make sense that she
would be found in Asheville.
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It doesn't make sense that
someone would hurt her.
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ROBERT STACK:
Investigators trying
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to understand what
happened found two clues
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to who may have murdered her.
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LT. SAM CONSTANCE: We
found a blue and black
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backpack at the crime scene.
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I believe that the
backpack that was left
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doesn't belong to Judy Smith.
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I believe that it potentially
belongs to our suspect.
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There was a pair of
sunglasses there.
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These particular glasses
were manufactured by Bolle.
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They retail for
somewhere around $110,
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and speaking with
Judy's friends,
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Judith wouldn't have spent
$110 for a pair of glasses.
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We believe that these glasses
did not belong to Judith
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and that they potentially
belonged to our suspect.
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ROBERT STACK: North
Carolina investigators
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still have no clue why
Judy Smith was killed.
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Lieutenant Sam Constance does
say, however, that they have
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ruled out robbery as a motive.
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Found at the crime
scene was Judy's diamond
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wedding ring and $167 in cash.
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You having fun?
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Yeah.
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- Yeah [inaudible].
- Yeah.
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Good.
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ROBERT STACK: On
the night of July 9,
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Colleen Nick took her
six-year-old daughter
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Morgan to a Little
League baseball
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game in Alma, Arkansas.
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It was an evening of shared
joy between mother and child
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with no hint of the
nightmare about to unfold.
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COLLEEN NICK: We'd
made the choice to go,
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just Morgan and I, just
to have girls night out.
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And it was such a--
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a warm, close, fun night.
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Hey, want to come with
us to catch some fireflies?
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Well, I don't know
if my mom will let me.
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ROBERT STACK:
Throughout the evening,
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two local girls asked Morgan
to come play with them.
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Mom, can me and my
friends go catch fireflies?
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Oh, I don't think so, honey.
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Please.
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Please.
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Oh, Colleen, they
should be fine.
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Are you sure it's safe?
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Sure, yeah.
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COLLEEN NICK: Finally,
against my better judgment,
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I told her that she
could go and play.
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And she threw her arms around
my neck, gave me a big hug.
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Thank you, mom.
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All right, stay
where I can see you.
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[inaudible].
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COLLEEN NICK: We could
see them very clearly,
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and the last time
that I turned to look,
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Morgan was running
back and forth playing.
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ROBERT STACK: But when
the baseball game ended,
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the two girls returned to
the field without Morgan.
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Girls, girls!
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Wait, wait.
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Where's Morgan?
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By a car getting the
sand out of her shoe.
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Which car?
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I don't know-- yours, I guess.
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I'll be right back.
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COLLEEN NICK: She was supposed
to be dumping sand out
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of her shoes by my
car, but I could
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see my car from where I was
standing, and she wasn't there.
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Morgan!
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Morgan!
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COLLEEN NICK: I went
over to the car,
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looked around the outside
of the car, opened the doors
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and looked inside the car
thinking she had gotten in.
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Even at one point looked under
the car, just thinking she
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has to be here somewhere.
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And within a couple of
minutes, all of the people
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and most of the cars were
gone, and it was very
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clear that Morgan wasn't there.
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Well, she's got
to be close by--
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ROBERT STACK: As the
parking lot emptied,
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panic began to
overwhelm Colleen.
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Calm down.
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Where was the last
place you saw her?
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ROBERT STACK: One of
the baseball coaches
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arrived and questioned
the two girls.
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Girls, look at me.
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When you were in the field,
were you there alone?
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ROBERT STACK: They
remembered seeing
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a man who they
described as creepy
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talking to Morgan in the field.
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I'm going to go call 911.
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Thank you.
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Morgan!
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COLLEEN NICK: One of the
coaches had a cell phone
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and made the initial 911
call to law enforcement.
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They arrived within
six minutes and began
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an immediate and massive
search for Morgan that night.
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ROBERT STACK: But
the initial search
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failed to find Morgan Nick.
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The media was alerted,
and flyers were posted.
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Weeks stretched into
months and finally years
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with no sign of the
blonde haired little girl.
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It's the worst terror that
any parent can ever feel.
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There's such, um, a sense of
it-- it not being real somehow.
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It does not seem
possible that your child
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could be missing, that someone
could have taken your child.
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For five long years,
Colleen Nick has searched
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for her daughter, Morgan.
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Faced with the
same circumstances,
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many of us would
have given up hope--
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not Colleen.
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In fact, Colleen's
personal tragedy has led
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to a remarkable transformation.
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The once shy mother has
become a leading activist
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for missing children
all across the country.
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In the months following
Morgan's disappearance,
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Colleen successfully
lobbied the media
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to turn Morgan's disappearance
into a national news story.
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It was then that
Colleen discovered
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she was not alone in her grief.
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We began to get calls from
other parents who had heard
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about Morgan whose child
was now missing wanting
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to know what they could do.
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You know, where do they turn?
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What resources were available.
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And from that, we
began to get involved
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in, um, the bigger picture
of children being missing.
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Yes, yes.
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Come down.
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We really need your help.
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ROBERT STACK: One year after
her daughter's abduction,
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Colleen established the
Morgan Nick Foundation,
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a nonprofit organization
dedicated to assisting
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families with missing children.
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The foundation has been
instrumental in bringing
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several children safely home.
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--and the older cases
in the bottom drawer.
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ROBERT STACK:
Recently, Colleen Nick
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has become involved in
the search for a missing
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5-month-old girl in Arizona.
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Jacqueline Castaneda
disappeared on May 6.
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Her mother, 19-year-old
Olivia Castaneda,
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hopes that Colleen and
the Morgan Nick Foundation
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can help find her baby daughter.
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Here we are.
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ROBERT STACK: Olivia was last
with her daughter at a swap
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meet outside of
Phoenix, Arizona.
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Meet me in the
middle by the food?
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Yeah, [inaudible].
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Bye.
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Bye.
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[inaudible].
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Hold mommy's hand.
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Bye.
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Bye bye.
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OLIVIA CASTANEDA: My
husband dropped me
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off there with my two babies--
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Nayeli, my two-year-old,
and Jacqueline,
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my 4-month-old baby.
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I took Jacqueline out of the car
with her car seat, and Nayeli,
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I took her walking.
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ROBERT STACK: Before
meeting her mother inside,
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Olivia needed to
use the restroom.
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She finally found a
portable bathroom.
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Faced with its cramped
and dirty quarters,
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Olivia made a split
second decision
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that would lead to tragedy.
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Baby, it's only gonna
be for a minute, OK?
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Jacqueline
couldn't fit inside,
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so I just took my
two-year-old, Nayeli,
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inside the restroom
because she could've walked
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away if I left her outside.
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I was in the restroom
like for a minute.
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Jacqueline?
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OLIVIA CASTANEDA:
When I came out--
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Jacqueline?
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OLIVIA CASTANEDA: --Jacqueline
wasn't there anymore.
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Jacqueline?
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Jacqueline?
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Jacqueline?
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ROBERT STACK: Hoping that her
mother had taken the child,
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Olivia rushed into
the swap meet.
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Jacqueline!
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OLIVIA CASTANEDA: And I felt
that my heart was beating
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like--
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like really fast.
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I was really scared.
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Mom!
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Mom, do you have Jacqueline!
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Do you have the baby?
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Oh my god, I lost the baby.
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We got to go find her.
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OLIVIA CASTANEDA: But I felt
more upset and more nervous
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when I saw my mom--
that she was by herself.
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She didn't have the
baby, and that's
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when I thought I was gonna die.
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I just didn't know what to do.
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My baby is missing!
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Have any of you
guys seen my baby?
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ROBERT STACK: Olivia
and her mother
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went from booth to
booth, asking anybody
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if they had seen Jacqueline.
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After 20 horrifying minutes,
the police were called.
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Call 911.
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My baby is missing!
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ROBERT STACK: Avondale,
Arizona police officers
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immediately sealed
off the swamp meet
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and began an extensive search.
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There was an officer
stationed at all the exits
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and along the fence line.
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And as cars were
leaving, we would
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check vehicles as they left.
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As people were leaving the
side exits through the gates,
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we would go ahead
and check them,
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make sure they weren't carrying
anything or had a car carrier.
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ROBERT STACK: Jacqueline
was not found.
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What time did you hear
about this baby missing?
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00:18:18,097 --> 00:18:19,232
ROBERT STACK: One
of the swap meet
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00:18:19,332 --> 00:18:22,001
vendors, however, did
notice a woman who she felt
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00:18:22,101 --> 00:18:24,036
was acting suspiciously.
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00:18:24,137 --> 00:18:26,173
Yeah, this really creepy
woman came up to my booth,
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and I had my baby
in the car seat,
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and she started touching her.
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So I went over to talk to her.
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SGT. MARK LUCAS: What she
related to us was that there
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was a suspicious woman
that actually walked up
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to her infant and caressed
her infant's face and said,
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what a beautiful baby.
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Um, this made her
feel uneasy, and this
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caused her to pay attention
to this particular woman.
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ROBERT STACK: But
authorities were
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unable to find
anyone who matched
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the vendor's description.
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Big, big black hair.
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Hi, this is Colleen Nick from
the Morgan Nick Foundation.
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ROBERT STACK: Colleen Nick was
informed by a national missing
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children's agency
that a baby girl
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had been abducted in Arizona.
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Yeah, hold on a second.
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ROBERT STACK: The Morgan Nick
Foundation sprang into action.
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We're able to do, um, posters.
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We're able to email Jacqueline's
information out to people who
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might not otherwise
get it and then
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to also counsel her
family over the phone
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if they would like
to talk to us.
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COLLEEN NICK: Hi.
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Hi.
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ROBERT STACK: On
June 25, Colleen Nick
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traveled to Avondale,
Arizona to meet
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Olivia Castaneda for the first
time and console her in person.
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00:19:31,738 --> 00:19:34,307
I just want to ask
you how you're doing.
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I just wish that it could be
the day that they call and say
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that they found her.
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ROBERT STACK: Olivia, who
blames herself for her child's
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abduction, is comforted
to know that she
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is not alone in her suffering.
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Call me.
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00:19:47,654 --> 00:19:50,223
Call me collect, OK?
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OLIVIA CASTANEDA: She
had her daughter stolen,
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too, and she knows what
you're feeling, and it's--
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it's, um, nice to talk
to someone that knows
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00:19:58,565 --> 00:20:00,800
what you're going through.
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00:20:00,900 --> 00:20:04,671
But it wasn't your
fault. Is that OK?
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COLLEEN NICK: I find that's
the greatest need that a family
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has-- just to be able to
look someone in the eye
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and to know that there are other
people who haven't given up
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hope, to know that you're
going to survive this,
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that you're going to
come through this,
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and that hopefully your
child is going to come home.
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And I think that is what I try
to bring to families the most--
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is that hope and
that reassurance.
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ROBERT STACK: Assisted by
the Morgan Nick Foundation,
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police continue to search
for Jacqueline Castaneda.
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She is now five
months old and has
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a unique heart shaped birthmark
on her upper right arm.
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The selfless work Colleen Nick
performs on behalf of families
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with missing children has not
detracted from her primary goal
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to find her own
daughter, Morgan.
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But someday I believe
that I will look my daughter
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in the eye and say,
I fought for you
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00:21:03,296 --> 00:21:04,797
every day as hard
as I could, and that
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is why you're home today.
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I believe, and I--
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I hope every single day
that I get up that today is
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the day that Morgan comes home.
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And every night when I go to
bed and she's not back yet,
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I know that I'm one day
closer to getting her back.
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Sonya, this is
Reckless and Easy.
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ROBERT STACK: Racehorse
trainer Mary Clark is worried.
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Her promising filly, Reckless,
has been behaving erratically.
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Three different vets have
been unable to determine why.
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Desperate, she turns to Sonya
Fitzpatrick of Houston, Texas.
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Like the classic
character Dr. Doolittle,
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Sonya says she can
communicate with animals.
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00:22:01,954 --> 00:22:03,690
OK, Mary.
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I can tell you this horse
is in terrible pain all down
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the left side of the face.
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And I don't know
she stood this pain.
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MARY CLARK: Sonya immediately
showed concern for the mare.
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She said this horse
is in tremendous pain,
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and it's on the left
side of her nostril
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or somewhere on the left side.
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ROBERT STACK: Pain was
a plausible explanation
490
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for Reckless's
mysterious conduct
491
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over the past several months.
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Unknown to Sonya, Reckless
have been rearing back
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violently before all her races.
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MAN: Reckless and Easy acting
up in the starting gate.
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ROBERT STACK: Even
worse, she sometimes
496
00:22:40,226 --> 00:22:42,228
flipped over backwards,
putting herself
497
00:22:42,328 --> 00:22:45,264
and her jockey in peril.
498
00:22:45,364 --> 00:22:48,034
And now she's telling
me she's flipping to try
499
00:22:48,134 --> 00:22:49,502
and get away from the pain.
500
00:22:49,602 --> 00:22:51,504
MARY CLARK: When I
heard the words flip,
501
00:22:51,604 --> 00:22:55,442
I was astonished, because I
hadn't discussed the flipping,
502
00:22:55,542 --> 00:22:59,211
and my heart was broken
because that meant
503
00:22:59,311 --> 00:23:02,314
that this mare had been
flipping in these races
504
00:23:02,415 --> 00:23:03,783
because of excruciating pain.
505
00:23:06,753 --> 00:23:08,120
No, it's not a tooth.
506
00:23:08,220 --> 00:23:10,189
It's something-- I'm
feeling that there's
507
00:23:10,289 --> 00:23:12,058
something stuck in here.
508
00:23:12,158 --> 00:23:13,125
SONYA FITZPATRICK:
I said to Mary
509
00:23:13,225 --> 00:23:15,828
you really need to
have this left side
510
00:23:15,928 --> 00:23:20,299
x-rayed, because I feel there's
something stuck in there.
511
00:23:20,399 --> 00:23:22,869
ROBERT STACK: At
Texas A&M University,
512
00:23:22,969 --> 00:23:25,638
veterinarians take
x-rays of Reckless,
513
00:23:25,738 --> 00:23:28,775
focusing on the area
specified by Sonya.
514
00:23:28,875 --> 00:23:31,110
Amazingly, the x-rays
confirmed there
515
00:23:31,210 --> 00:23:33,412
was a mysterious
foreign object embedded
516
00:23:33,513 --> 00:23:35,381
inside Reckless's head.
517
00:23:35,482 --> 00:23:39,919
Next, a veterinary surgeon
attempts to remove it.
518
00:23:40,019 --> 00:23:42,288
You are not going to
believe what we found.
519
00:23:42,388 --> 00:23:44,090
MARY CLARK: And he opened
his hand, and he said,
520
00:23:44,190 --> 00:23:46,626
this is what we found
in the mare's jawline.
521
00:23:46,726 --> 00:23:48,995
ROBERT STACK: The object is a
metal fragment that has broken
522
00:23:49,095 --> 00:23:50,963
off from the horse's halter.
523
00:23:51,063 --> 00:23:52,865
Oh my gosh.
524
00:23:52,965 --> 00:23:55,101
MARY CLARK: It was a pretty
horrifying thing to look at.
525
00:23:55,201 --> 00:23:56,636
He said this would have
been the most painful
526
00:23:56,736 --> 00:23:58,370
thing I can ever imagine.
527
00:23:58,471 --> 00:24:02,141
ROBERT STACK: Reckless recovers
fully following the surgery.
528
00:24:02,241 --> 00:24:06,178
She is now retired from racing,
completely free from pain.
529
00:24:06,278 --> 00:24:08,848
MARY CLARK: Sonya truly
talks to these horses.
530
00:24:08,948 --> 00:24:11,183
They are giving
her conversation.
531
00:24:11,283 --> 00:24:14,687
They are sharing with her
their feelings, their wants,
532
00:24:14,787 --> 00:24:16,322
and their desires.
533
00:24:16,422 --> 00:24:18,525
It's an amazing gift.
534
00:24:18,625 --> 00:24:19,992
SONYA FITZPATRICK:
Animals love to talk,
535
00:24:20,092 --> 00:24:21,327
and they love it
when you answer them.
536
00:24:21,427 --> 00:24:24,363
The first time they have
someone that answers them they
537
00:24:24,463 --> 00:24:27,033
are so pleased,
and it's like, oh,
538
00:24:27,133 --> 00:24:28,935
she really can
talk our language.
539
00:24:31,904 --> 00:24:33,640
Can Sonya
Fitzpatrick truly speak
540
00:24:33,740 --> 00:24:36,275
telepathically
with animals, or is
541
00:24:36,375 --> 00:24:39,378
she merely a talented showman?
542
00:24:39,478 --> 00:24:42,114
5,000 animal lovers who
paid for her services
543
00:24:42,214 --> 00:24:44,917
are convinced her
gifts are genuine.
544
00:24:45,017 --> 00:24:47,587
Skeptics say she's doing
nothing more than picking up
545
00:24:47,687 --> 00:24:50,757
on the body language of
pets or inadvertent cues
546
00:24:50,857 --> 00:24:52,759
from their owners.
547
00:24:52,859 --> 00:24:55,094
We'll put Sonya to the
test before our "Unsolved
548
00:24:55,194 --> 00:25:00,199
Mysteries" cameras and allow
you to judge for yourself.
549
00:25:00,299 --> 00:25:02,034
[inaudible] come on.
550
00:25:02,134 --> 00:25:03,435
Let's eat.
551
00:25:03,536 --> 00:25:05,404
ROBERT STACK: Debbie Oliver was
among those who did not believe
552
00:25:05,504 --> 00:25:07,506
in Sonya's professed power.
553
00:25:07,607 --> 00:25:10,276
Debbie operates a dog
kennel in Houston, Texas
554
00:25:10,376 --> 00:25:13,580
and is no stranger
to animal behavior.
555
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:14,914
DEBBIE OLIVER: I
thought, you know,
556
00:25:15,014 --> 00:25:17,216
she probably just kind of
looks at their body language,
557
00:25:17,316 --> 00:25:18,585
and she can tell what
they're thinking.
558
00:25:18,685 --> 00:25:19,852
Well, I can do that.
559
00:25:19,952 --> 00:25:22,221
So then we thought
this is the stupidest
560
00:25:22,321 --> 00:25:23,623
thing I have ever heard of.
561
00:25:23,723 --> 00:25:26,793
ROBERT STACK: Despite her
disbelief, Debbie was curious,
562
00:25:26,893 --> 00:25:30,262
so she and her husband, Duane,
scheduled a session with Sonya
563
00:25:30,362 --> 00:25:31,731
to see for themselves.
564
00:25:31,831 --> 00:25:32,999
SONYA FITZPATRICK:
And what's the name
565
00:25:33,099 --> 00:25:35,067
this beautiful dog, Debbie?
566
00:25:35,167 --> 00:25:36,535
DEBBIE OLIVER: Zack is
our golden retriever.
567
00:25:36,636 --> 00:25:37,704
ROBERT STACK: One
of the ways Sonya
568
00:25:37,804 --> 00:25:39,371
claims to communicate
with animals
569
00:25:39,471 --> 00:25:41,540
is by inspecting a photograph.
570
00:25:41,641 --> 00:25:44,877
This method, she says, is just
as accurate as interacting
571
00:25:44,977 --> 00:25:46,545
directly with the animal.
572
00:25:46,646 --> 00:25:48,147
DUANE OLIVER: I
thought this was just
573
00:25:48,247 --> 00:25:49,816
basically a waste of money.
574
00:25:49,916 --> 00:25:51,584
It's one of the reasons
I went-- is-- is I
575
00:25:51,684 --> 00:25:55,521
just didn't want my wife to
waste any more money on it.
576
00:25:55,622 --> 00:25:59,792
I told Debbie to make sure
that she didn't tip Sonya off,
577
00:25:59,892 --> 00:26:01,327
and she didn't.
578
00:26:01,427 --> 00:26:03,696
SONYA FITZPATRICK: Well, Zack is
telling me you've moved house,
579
00:26:03,796 --> 00:26:08,067
and since he moved house,
he hasn't had any ice cubes.
580
00:26:08,167 --> 00:26:09,301
That's true.
581
00:26:09,401 --> 00:26:11,237
DUANE OLIVER: When Sonya
talked about the ice cubes,
582
00:26:11,337 --> 00:26:14,607
that got my
attention right away.
583
00:26:14,707 --> 00:26:17,476
We thought, that's a
really specific item.
584
00:26:17,576 --> 00:26:19,111
How in the world
did she know that?
585
00:26:19,211 --> 00:26:22,048
And he is sending me a
picture of little balls,
586
00:26:22,148 --> 00:26:25,852
blue balls, other dogs playing
with all these blue balls.
587
00:26:25,952 --> 00:26:27,286
DUANE OLIVER: The more
the session went on,
588
00:26:27,386 --> 00:26:30,657
the more amazed I became on--
on what was happening there.
589
00:26:30,757 --> 00:26:32,625
SONYA FITZPATRICK: And who
is this little dog here?
590
00:26:32,725 --> 00:26:33,826
She's just coming in.
591
00:26:33,926 --> 00:26:34,761
What's her name?
592
00:26:34,861 --> 00:26:36,428
DEBBIE OLIVER:
That's Miss Daisy.
593
00:26:36,528 --> 00:26:38,731
SONYA FITZPATRICK: Miss
Daisy wants to know,
594
00:26:38,831 --> 00:26:41,533
where is that pink thing?
595
00:26:41,634 --> 00:26:44,871
Something with her ears that
goes on her head and something
596
00:26:44,971 --> 00:26:46,305
matching that goes here--
597
00:26:46,405 --> 00:26:47,406
pink.
598
00:26:47,506 --> 00:26:48,775
DEBBIE OLIVER: And I
went, my gosh, I just
599
00:26:48,875 --> 00:26:51,377
went to a flea market
a couple of weeks ago,
600
00:26:51,477 --> 00:26:54,146
and I got her this little hat
that I have to pull her ears
601
00:26:54,246 --> 00:26:56,515
through, because she's
got long floppy ears,
602
00:26:56,615 --> 00:26:58,918
and a pink bandanna
that matches it.
603
00:26:59,018 --> 00:27:01,353
Well, she'd like to wear
it more often, mum, please,
604
00:27:01,453 --> 00:27:04,190
and can you put that on
her when she goes home?
605
00:27:04,290 --> 00:27:06,292
Very polite, your dogs.
606
00:27:06,392 --> 00:27:07,626
DEBBIE OLIVER:
There's just no way
607
00:27:07,727 --> 00:27:10,396
she could have known that unless
she had a detective living
608
00:27:10,496 --> 00:27:12,298
with us or had cameras here.
609
00:27:12,398 --> 00:27:14,701
So that's kind of when
we started thinking
610
00:27:14,801 --> 00:27:16,703
this is pretty amazing.
611
00:27:16,803 --> 00:27:19,438
Somehow she really is
talking to these animals.
612
00:27:22,074 --> 00:27:23,642
ROBERT STACK: Sonya
says her rare ability
613
00:27:23,743 --> 00:27:25,577
developed in childhood.
614
00:27:25,678 --> 00:27:27,579
It came about, she
claims, because she
615
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,117
suffered a significant hearing
loss that persists to this day.
616
00:27:31,217 --> 00:27:32,484
SONYA FITZPATRICK:
Having a hearing loss,
617
00:27:32,584 --> 00:27:35,587
my sense is heightened,
and animal senses
618
00:27:35,688 --> 00:27:39,158
are very heightened,
so I think that is
619
00:27:39,258 --> 00:27:41,928
why I was able to speak
to animals-- because I
620
00:27:42,028 --> 00:27:44,030
drew on my other senses.
621
00:27:44,130 --> 00:27:46,198
ROBERT STACK: If
Sonya's gift is genuine,
622
00:27:46,298 --> 00:27:48,701
can science account for it?
623
00:27:48,801 --> 00:27:52,238
Jessica Utts is a professor
of statistics at UC Davis.
624
00:27:52,338 --> 00:27:55,274
Her statistical evaluations
of psychic phenomena
625
00:27:55,374 --> 00:27:58,277
indicate it may be valid.
626
00:27:58,377 --> 00:28:00,646
One possible explanation
for what Sonya's doing
627
00:28:00,747 --> 00:28:05,752
is that we and animals, as well,
have some sort of sense that we
628
00:28:05,852 --> 00:28:08,520
used to rely on before
we had language,
629
00:28:08,620 --> 00:28:11,657
and that that sense is
still quite vital in animals
630
00:28:11,758 --> 00:28:13,325
because they don't
have language,
631
00:28:13,425 --> 00:28:18,630
and that Sonya is somehow able
to pick up on that information.
632
00:28:18,731 --> 00:28:20,632
SONYA FITZPATRICK:
Animals speak in pictures.
633
00:28:20,733 --> 00:28:23,135
So if I was to say
to you, could you
634
00:28:23,235 --> 00:28:27,206
tell me where Buckingham Palace
is or the Statue of Liberty?
635
00:28:27,306 --> 00:28:28,875
You'd form a picture
in your mind.
636
00:28:28,975 --> 00:28:31,778
You'd visualize it, and
that picture is going out
637
00:28:31,878 --> 00:28:34,680
into your energy fields, and
the animals see those pictures
638
00:28:34,781 --> 00:28:36,916
and receive them from
wherever you are.
639
00:28:37,016 --> 00:28:38,885
I think the more
likely explanations here
640
00:28:38,985 --> 00:28:41,854
are that she's reading the
body language of the owners
641
00:28:41,954 --> 00:28:44,023
or the body language
of the animals.
642
00:28:44,123 --> 00:28:46,658
It is probably also the
case that we occasionally
643
00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:49,628
hear a spectacular story
where she gets information
644
00:28:49,728 --> 00:28:52,331
that no one could possibly
know, but what we don't know
645
00:28:52,431 --> 00:28:54,433
is how many times there
were other stories
646
00:28:54,533 --> 00:28:55,968
that turned out not to be true.
647
00:28:56,068 --> 00:28:57,136
Hello, Sonya.
648
00:28:57,236 --> 00:28:58,470
Nice to meet you.
649
00:28:58,570 --> 00:29:00,439
ROBERT STACK: We asked Sonya
to visit pets and owners she
650
00:29:00,539 --> 00:29:02,909
had never met before in
front of our "Unsolved
651
00:29:03,009 --> 00:29:04,576
Mysteries" cameras.
652
00:29:04,676 --> 00:29:06,946
We selected them independently.
653
00:29:07,046 --> 00:29:09,681
Sonya had no prior knowledge
of their background.
654
00:29:09,782 --> 00:29:11,017
What's this one's name?
655
00:29:11,117 --> 00:29:12,885
QUENTIN NEUBER: That's Minnie.
SONYA FITZPATRICK: Minnie?
656
00:29:12,985 --> 00:29:14,120
How old is Minnie?
657
00:29:14,220 --> 00:29:16,255
She is approximately
five years old.
658
00:29:16,355 --> 00:29:17,423
OK.
659
00:29:17,523 --> 00:29:19,892
Now, Minnie says she
lives with other animals,
660
00:29:19,992 --> 00:29:23,729
as well, so you better tell me
what the other cat's name is.
661
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:25,798
The other cat's
name is Murphy.
662
00:29:25,898 --> 00:29:28,500
Murphy.
663
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,569
There was a time
when she felt sick.
664
00:29:30,669 --> 00:29:31,703
I don't--
665
00:29:31,804 --> 00:29:33,139
I don't recall her being sick.
666
00:29:33,239 --> 00:29:34,540
She's feeling sick.
667
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,777
What is it you use in
your house on the floors?
668
00:29:38,878 --> 00:29:40,112
We don't use
anything on the floors
669
00:29:40,212 --> 00:29:42,714
other than vacuuming
on the carpet and--
670
00:29:42,815 --> 00:29:45,351
No, what do you use that
you wash your floors with?
671
00:29:45,451 --> 00:29:46,685
Sorry.
672
00:29:46,785 --> 00:29:49,221
Uh, ammonia, bleach.
673
00:29:49,321 --> 00:29:50,322
Exactly.
674
00:29:50,422 --> 00:29:52,491
It's the worst thing
you can do for your cat.
675
00:29:52,591 --> 00:29:54,760
QUENTIN NEUBER: She discussed
the fact that my cat seemed
676
00:29:54,861 --> 00:29:57,729
to have some illness related
to the cleaning products
677
00:29:57,830 --> 00:30:00,499
that I used on my kitchen floor,
and the fact of the matter
678
00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:04,303
is the cat is now an outdoor
cat and has been for some time.
679
00:30:04,403 --> 00:30:05,771
Now, Minnie thinks
she's in charge,
680
00:30:05,872 --> 00:30:07,506
and she's telling
me she's in charge.
681
00:30:07,606 --> 00:30:13,045
QUENTIN NEUBER: Overall, I would
say on a scale of 1 to 10 she--
682
00:30:13,145 --> 00:30:15,214
she got two right out of 10.
683
00:30:15,314 --> 00:30:16,648
Yeah, she said that she's--
684
00:30:16,748 --> 00:30:17,917
SONYA FITZPATRICK:
Some animals are
685
00:30:18,017 --> 00:30:21,820
really clear with their
communication and very direct,
686
00:30:21,921 --> 00:30:26,158
and then, just as people, others
don't communicate so well--
687
00:30:26,258 --> 00:30:29,128
so before they can
send you a reply back.
688
00:30:29,228 --> 00:30:31,363
So that is the reason
why sometimes I
689
00:30:31,463 --> 00:30:33,866
don't always get something,
and I do occasionally
690
00:30:33,966 --> 00:30:36,135
get animals like that.
691
00:30:36,235 --> 00:30:38,537
Hello, beautiful.
692
00:30:38,637 --> 00:30:40,206
Hi, what's your horse's name?
693
00:30:40,306 --> 00:30:41,140
Charlie.
694
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:42,074
Charlie.
695
00:30:42,174 --> 00:30:44,076
Oh, Charlie.
696
00:30:44,176 --> 00:30:47,113
ROBERT STACK: Charlie is
an 11-year-old racehorse.
697
00:30:47,213 --> 00:30:49,181
Sonya has not been
told that he almost
698
00:30:49,281 --> 00:30:52,318
died recently after
suffering continual abuse
699
00:30:52,418 --> 00:30:54,486
from a previous owner.
700
00:30:54,586 --> 00:30:56,122
He's very emotional.
701
00:30:56,222 --> 00:30:59,892
He's, um-- he's had a
lot of pain in his life,
702
00:30:59,992 --> 00:31:02,794
and I'm feeling
that pain from him,
703
00:31:02,895 --> 00:31:07,033
and he's had a tremendous
amount of abuse.
704
00:31:07,133 --> 00:31:09,435
TERRI MORAN: I was surprised
that she picked up on the fact
705
00:31:09,535 --> 00:31:12,104
that he had been
abused so quickly.
706
00:31:12,204 --> 00:31:15,942
I really expected her to ask
me questions that anybody could
707
00:31:16,042 --> 00:31:19,245
figure out, OK, well,
from that, I would assume
708
00:31:19,345 --> 00:31:21,680
that he had been abused,
but she basically
709
00:31:21,780 --> 00:31:23,115
started just talking to me.
710
00:31:23,215 --> 00:31:26,518
His leg-- he has also
had a problem here.
711
00:31:26,618 --> 00:31:27,886
Here.
Sorry.
712
00:31:27,987 --> 00:31:29,155
Here.
713
00:31:29,255 --> 00:31:30,856
TERRI MORAN: It was real
strange that she would be able
714
00:31:30,957 --> 00:31:33,059
to pinpoint an
injury from his hip
715
00:31:33,159 --> 00:31:35,294
because there's--
there's no scars.
716
00:31:35,394 --> 00:31:39,831
I mean, he was in such
pain and agony at one time,
717
00:31:39,932 --> 00:31:42,301
and something with the foot.
718
00:31:42,401 --> 00:31:43,735
That was really painful.
719
00:31:43,835 --> 00:31:46,638
He has a-- a crack in
his-- in his hoof, and she
720
00:31:46,738 --> 00:31:48,440
knew which hoof was cracked.
721
00:31:48,540 --> 00:31:49,775
And that brings
back the memories.
722
00:31:49,875 --> 00:31:52,044
Every time the ears are touched.
723
00:31:52,144 --> 00:31:55,314
SONYA FITZPATRICK: The hardest
part is when an animal has been
724
00:31:55,414 --> 00:31:58,784
abused, and sometimes
even now I think, oh god,
725
00:31:58,884 --> 00:31:59,885
I don't want to hear this.
726
00:31:59,986 --> 00:32:01,520
I don't want to hear
what's been done.
727
00:32:01,620 --> 00:32:03,255
I don't want to know,
but I have to know.
728
00:32:03,355 --> 00:32:06,258
To be able to help them, I
have to know what's going on.
729
00:32:06,358 --> 00:32:08,727
He wants to know is he going
to be staying with you forever
730
00:32:08,827 --> 00:32:09,628
and ever?
731
00:32:09,728 --> 00:32:10,896
Oh, absolutely.
732
00:32:10,997 --> 00:32:12,864
SONYA FITZPATRICK: I get
tremendous inner satisfaction--
733
00:32:12,965 --> 00:32:18,170
the fact that I've been able
to be a voice for the animals.
734
00:32:18,270 --> 00:32:19,638
It feeds my soul.
735
00:32:19,738 --> 00:32:21,473
That's the only
way I can tell you.
736
00:32:21,573 --> 00:32:26,178
It feeds my soul and my
spirit, and yes, I love it.
737
00:32:26,278 --> 00:32:27,346
I love talking to the animals.
738
00:32:35,021 --> 00:32:35,821
[sirens]
739
00:32:35,921 --> 00:32:37,156
MAN: What's going on there?
740
00:32:37,256 --> 00:32:38,190
WOMAN: It's-- it's a big fire.
741
00:32:38,290 --> 00:32:39,591
It's a really big fire.
742
00:32:39,691 --> 00:32:40,792
It just, like, blew up.
743
00:32:40,892 --> 00:32:42,628
MAN: OK, what's on fire?
744
00:32:42,728 --> 00:32:43,595
WOMAN: The whole house.
745
00:32:43,695 --> 00:32:44,563
MAN: The whole house?
746
00:32:44,663 --> 00:32:48,967
WOMAN: The whole
house is burning up.
747
00:32:49,068 --> 00:32:52,071
ROBERT STACK: 8:42 AM,
Scottsdale, Arizona.
748
00:32:52,171 --> 00:32:53,905
A quiet residential
neighborhood was
749
00:32:54,006 --> 00:32:56,708
rocked by a powerful explosion.
750
00:32:56,808 --> 00:32:58,510
The force of the blast
ripped through the roof
751
00:32:58,610 --> 00:33:00,479
of this ranch
style home, causing
752
00:33:00,579 --> 00:33:02,414
it to burst into flames.
753
00:33:02,514 --> 00:33:05,417
Firefighters quickly contained
the swift moving blaze,
754
00:33:05,517 --> 00:33:10,356
but not before much of the
residence had been destroyed.
755
00:33:10,456 --> 00:33:12,524
The home was owned by
Robert and Mary Fisher,
756
00:33:12,624 --> 00:33:15,927
who lived there with
their two children,
757
00:33:16,028 --> 00:33:20,232
12-year-old Brittany and
10-year-old Bobby Jr.
758
00:33:20,332 --> 00:33:23,502
When efforts to locate the
Fishers proved unsuccessful,
759
00:33:23,602 --> 00:33:25,704
the fire department
feared the worst--
760
00:33:25,804 --> 00:33:29,075
that the entire family
had perished in the blaze.
761
00:33:29,175 --> 00:33:32,211
When rescuers were finally
able to get inside the house,
762
00:33:32,311 --> 00:33:34,946
they found the remains of Mary
Fisher and her two children
763
00:33:35,047 --> 00:33:36,915
in the smoldering ruins.
764
00:33:37,015 --> 00:33:39,218
Still lying in their
beds, they appeared
765
00:33:39,318 --> 00:33:44,890
to have died in their sleep,
but the remains of Robert Fisher
766
00:33:44,990 --> 00:33:46,758
were not found in
the burned out home,
767
00:33:46,858 --> 00:33:49,528
and he continues to be missing.
768
00:33:49,628 --> 00:33:51,330
Within days,
investigators learned
769
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:53,165
that it was not the
fire that killed Mary
770
00:33:53,265 --> 00:33:55,801
Fisher and her two children.
771
00:33:55,901 --> 00:33:59,271
The three victims had
had their throats cut.
772
00:33:59,371 --> 00:34:02,341
Could Robert Fisher, the
seemingly dedicated family man,
773
00:34:02,441 --> 00:34:05,144
also have been a
ruthless killer?
774
00:34:05,244 --> 00:34:07,246
If so, he was hiding
a terrible secret
775
00:34:07,346 --> 00:34:10,082
his own sister found
impossible to comprehend.
776
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:16,922
JEAN: My brother loved
his kids and his wife.
777
00:34:17,022 --> 00:34:19,225
A year ago, there's
no way I would
778
00:34:19,325 --> 00:34:21,160
have imagined any of this.
779
00:34:21,260 --> 00:34:24,730
There was-- I trusted
my brother with my life.
780
00:34:24,830 --> 00:34:25,931
There's no way I
would have thought
781
00:34:26,031 --> 00:34:27,199
he would be capable of this.
782
00:34:33,305 --> 00:34:35,474
ROBERT STACK: The Fishers were
known as a devoted churchgoing
783
00:34:35,574 --> 00:34:36,375
family.
784
00:34:36,475 --> 00:34:37,576
Mary, how are you, sweetheart?
785
00:34:37,676 --> 00:34:38,877
Good, reverend.
Thank you.
786
00:34:38,977 --> 00:34:40,011
Oh, these kids are growing--
787
00:34:40,112 --> 00:34:41,813
ROBERT STACK: Robert and
Mary met in high school
788
00:34:41,913 --> 00:34:44,550
and had been married
for 16 years.
789
00:34:44,650 --> 00:34:48,220
Brittany attended junior high,
and Bobby was a fifth grader.
790
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,190
REVEREND: I'll see next week.
791
00:34:51,290 --> 00:34:52,558
ROBERT STACK: After
a stint in the Navy,
792
00:34:52,658 --> 00:34:54,526
Robert Fisher served
as a firefighter
793
00:34:54,626 --> 00:34:57,729
before a back injury
cut short his career.
794
00:34:57,829 --> 00:35:02,033
Within a few years, he became
a proud father of two children.
795
00:35:02,134 --> 00:35:03,169
DET.
796
00:35:03,269 --> 00:35:05,304
JOHN KIRKHAM: Robert was
a very private person.
797
00:35:05,404 --> 00:35:09,941
Outwardly, he is, uh, perceived
as a good father, good husband,
798
00:35:10,041 --> 00:35:11,677
churchgoing man.
799
00:35:11,777 --> 00:35:13,345
During the
investigation, we found
800
00:35:13,445 --> 00:35:17,015
that Robert Fisher had a number
of faces, a number of masks
801
00:35:17,115 --> 00:35:18,617
that he wore.
802
00:35:18,717 --> 00:35:20,552
ROBERT STACK: Would
a man who wore masks
803
00:35:20,652 --> 00:35:22,988
try to disguise the
state of his marriage?
804
00:35:23,088 --> 00:35:25,391
Investigators learned
from friends and coworkers
805
00:35:25,491 --> 00:35:26,592
that there may
have been mounting
806
00:35:26,692 --> 00:35:29,295
turbulence in the Fisher home.
807
00:35:29,395 --> 00:35:31,597
Two years prior to the
murders, Robert came
808
00:35:31,697 --> 00:35:34,166
to Mary with troubling news.
809
00:35:34,266 --> 00:35:36,368
Remember the massage
therapist that I was
810
00:35:36,468 --> 00:35:38,003
going to because of my back?
811
00:35:38,103 --> 00:35:39,505
Sure.
812
00:35:39,605 --> 00:35:41,907
Honey, I ended up
having an affair with her.
813
00:35:44,610 --> 00:35:46,645
ROBERT STACK: Mary was
shattered by his infidelity.
814
00:35:46,745 --> 00:35:47,813
I can't believe you.
815
00:35:47,913 --> 00:35:49,147
- We can take care of this.
- I want you out!
816
00:35:49,248 --> 00:35:50,148
I want you out!
Just leave!
817
00:35:50,249 --> 00:35:52,751
Just leave!
818
00:35:52,851 --> 00:35:53,652
Fine.
819
00:35:57,756 --> 00:36:00,158
ROBERT STACK: Fisher headed to
a forest north of Scottsdale,
820
00:36:00,259 --> 00:36:02,428
where he sought solace at
his favorite hunting grounds.
821
00:36:14,573 --> 00:36:16,542
When he returned
a few days later,
822
00:36:16,642 --> 00:36:18,577
he and Mary reconciled
and even agreed
823
00:36:18,677 --> 00:36:20,979
to counseling at their church.
824
00:36:21,079 --> 00:36:24,683
We need to address
the personal issues.
825
00:36:24,783 --> 00:36:27,085
Those are the things that
usually are at the crux
826
00:36:27,185 --> 00:36:30,289
of any dispute, disagreement.
827
00:36:30,389 --> 00:36:32,424
ROBERT STACK: Robert had
suffered deep emotional scars
828
00:36:32,524 --> 00:36:34,460
at the divorce of
his own parents,
829
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,995
and he was adamant that his
children not be subjected
830
00:36:37,095 --> 00:36:38,697
to that same emotional pain.
831
00:36:38,797 --> 00:36:40,098
REVEREND: And he's
prayed about it.
832
00:36:40,198 --> 00:36:42,568
MYRNA BITZER: Robert had
told my dad many times
833
00:36:42,668 --> 00:36:44,470
that divorce was not an option.
834
00:36:44,570 --> 00:36:47,005
He would not be divorced
like his parents were.
835
00:36:47,105 --> 00:36:48,240
He did state that
several times--
836
00:36:48,340 --> 00:36:49,140
Robert did.
837
00:36:52,244 --> 00:36:54,280
ROBERT STACK: But despite
his determination,
838
00:36:54,380 --> 00:36:57,215
marital troubles apparently
resurfaced in the Fisher home
839
00:36:57,316 --> 00:36:59,017
just prior to the murders.
840
00:36:59,117 --> 00:37:01,420
MYRNA BITZER: Mary never told
me that there were any problems,
841
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,789
but there was arguing a lot.
842
00:37:03,889 --> 00:37:07,192
I think Robert was very
controlling, telling her things
843
00:37:07,293 --> 00:37:09,895
that he didn't need to say
in front of a lot of people.
844
00:37:09,995 --> 00:37:11,263
DET.
845
00:37:11,363 --> 00:37:14,433
JOHN KIRKHAM: We spoke with
a very close friend of Mary's
846
00:37:14,533 --> 00:37:17,903
and learned that,
uh, uh, she had
847
00:37:18,003 --> 00:37:21,006
confided in her that,
uh, uh, she was thinking
848
00:37:21,106 --> 00:37:22,207
about divorcing Robert.
849
00:37:22,308 --> 00:37:23,642
I can't believe
you've done this again.
850
00:37:23,742 --> 00:37:25,677
I just can't believe it.
After all the work--
851
00:37:25,777 --> 00:37:27,279
ROBERT STACK: Neighbors
told investigators
852
00:37:27,379 --> 00:37:28,980
that late on the
night of the murders
853
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,849
the Fishers had a
loud disagreement.
854
00:37:30,949 --> 00:37:32,183
I'm calling the
lawyer tomorrow.
855
00:37:32,284 --> 00:37:33,151
DET.
856
00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:34,252
JOHN KIRKHAM: I
don't think that he
857
00:37:34,353 --> 00:37:38,357
planned this on, uh,
this particular day
858
00:37:38,457 --> 00:37:40,025
this is what I'm going to do.
859
00:37:40,125 --> 00:37:44,430
I think that it precipitated
over a long period of time,
860
00:37:44,530 --> 00:37:48,734
and there was that one
thing that triggered it,
861
00:37:48,834 --> 00:37:52,771
and that could have
been the-- the argument.
862
00:37:52,871 --> 00:37:53,872
ROBERT STACK:
Could Robert Fisher
863
00:37:53,972 --> 00:37:55,407
have murdered his
wife and children
864
00:37:55,507 --> 00:37:58,644
rather than put them through
the heartache of divorce?
865
00:37:58,744 --> 00:38:00,178
The crime scene
investigation had
866
00:38:00,278 --> 00:38:01,747
uncovered intriguing clues--
867
00:38:01,847 --> 00:38:05,917
a disconnected natural gas line,
an out of place candlestick
868
00:38:06,017 --> 00:38:08,086
holder, and the
residue of some form
869
00:38:08,186 --> 00:38:09,921
of highly flammable liquid--
870
00:38:10,021 --> 00:38:11,757
which led detectives
to piece together
871
00:38:11,857 --> 00:38:14,760
a chilling scenario of what
they believe transpired
872
00:38:14,860 --> 00:38:16,595
on the night of the murders.
DET.
873
00:38:16,695 --> 00:38:18,764
JOHN KIRKHAM: There was some
type of a lacerated trauma
874
00:38:18,864 --> 00:38:22,434
to all three victims'
necks, which could not
875
00:38:22,534 --> 00:38:25,170
have occurred during the fire.
876
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:27,506
ROBERT STACK: Several
hours before the explosion,
877
00:38:27,606 --> 00:38:29,675
investigators theorize
that Robert Fisher
878
00:38:29,775 --> 00:38:35,647
slashed the throats of each of
his children and then his wife.
879
00:38:35,747 --> 00:38:37,916
In addition to having
her throat cut,
880
00:38:38,016 --> 00:38:40,586
evidence also showed
Mary Fisher was shot.
881
00:38:40,686 --> 00:38:42,020
[gunshot]
882
00:38:43,054 --> 00:38:45,323
[barking]
883
00:38:46,992 --> 00:38:47,926
DET.
884
00:38:48,026 --> 00:38:50,529
JOHN KIRKHAM: Fire
from a gas explosion
885
00:38:50,629 --> 00:38:53,799
usually isn't as intense as the
fire at the Fisher residence,
886
00:38:53,899 --> 00:38:59,471
so there was some type of
other flammable material used.
887
00:38:59,571 --> 00:39:00,806
ROBERT STACK:
Investigators think
888
00:39:00,906 --> 00:39:03,942
Robert Fisher doused the house
with the ignitable fluid.
889
00:39:04,042 --> 00:39:05,911
Then the former
firefighter is believed
890
00:39:06,011 --> 00:39:09,280
to have disconnected the line
leading to the gas furnace.
891
00:39:09,381 --> 00:39:10,315
DET.
892
00:39:10,416 --> 00:39:12,050
JOHN KIRKHAM: As a
source of ignition,
893
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:15,253
we believe that a candle
with a candle holder
894
00:39:15,353 --> 00:39:20,358
was used as a timing device
in order to allow Robert
895
00:39:20,459 --> 00:39:23,061
time to leave the residence.
896
00:39:23,161 --> 00:39:25,797
ROBERT STACK: Hours later,
once a sufficient amount of gas
897
00:39:25,897 --> 00:39:28,967
had built up, this candle
then triggered the explosion
898
00:39:29,067 --> 00:39:33,004
and ignited the subsequent fire.
899
00:39:33,104 --> 00:39:35,373
[sirens]
900
00:39:35,474 --> 00:39:36,775
DET.
901
00:39:36,875 --> 00:39:39,811
JOHN KIRKHAM: Robert committed
the arson in order to cover up
902
00:39:39,911 --> 00:39:43,081
the murders believing that
the bodies would be burned
903
00:39:43,181 --> 00:39:46,051
beyond recognition and
would have covered up
904
00:39:46,151 --> 00:39:50,422
any sign of what had happened,
but it didn't cover it up quite
905
00:39:50,522 --> 00:39:51,457
as well as expected.
906
00:39:57,095 --> 00:39:59,164
ROBERT STACK: A full scale
manhunt turned up few leads.
907
00:40:02,768 --> 00:40:05,771
Then, 10 days later,
Mary Fisher's SUV,
908
00:40:05,871 --> 00:40:08,406
which disappeared the
same night as the murders,
909
00:40:08,507 --> 00:40:11,076
was spotted by a hiker
more than 100 miles away
910
00:40:11,176 --> 00:40:13,411
in the Tonto National Forest.
911
00:40:13,512 --> 00:40:15,346
It had apparently been
left there the day before.
912
00:40:15,447 --> 00:40:16,247
DET.
913
00:40:16,347 --> 00:40:17,549
JOHN KIRKHAM: It was clean.
914
00:40:17,649 --> 00:40:19,050
There was no dust on it.
915
00:40:19,150 --> 00:40:23,088
It was underneath pine trees,
and there was very little pine
916
00:40:23,188 --> 00:40:25,356
tree needles on
top of the vehicle
917
00:40:25,457 --> 00:40:27,626
or in the vehicle,
which indicated
918
00:40:27,726 --> 00:40:30,796
to us that it had
probably been dumped there
919
00:40:30,896 --> 00:40:32,864
within 24 hours of discovery.
920
00:40:36,367 --> 00:40:39,505
ROBERT STACK: Investigators
descended on the remote area.
921
00:40:39,605 --> 00:40:40,772
They learned from
Fisher's friends
922
00:40:40,872 --> 00:40:43,241
that he went there
often on hunting trips.
923
00:40:43,341 --> 00:40:46,377
The conditions were harsh,
and the landscape itself was
924
00:40:46,478 --> 00:40:47,613
riddled with hundreds of caves.
925
00:40:50,516 --> 00:40:54,953
Days of extensive searching
would prove fruitless.
926
00:40:55,053 --> 00:40:56,287
Two theories emerged.
927
00:40:56,387 --> 00:40:59,190
One speculated that a
despondent Robert Fisher took
928
00:40:59,290 --> 00:41:01,226
refuge in one of
the caves, where he
929
00:41:01,326 --> 00:41:02,528
eventually committed suicide.
930
00:41:05,864 --> 00:41:07,198
[gunshot]
931
00:41:11,136 --> 00:41:14,272
The other theory suggested that
a cunning Fisher left the SUV
932
00:41:14,372 --> 00:41:17,142
behind to divert the
attention of investigators
933
00:41:17,242 --> 00:41:18,476
and then vanished.
934
00:41:18,577 --> 00:41:19,845
JEAN: Where would he be?
935
00:41:19,945 --> 00:41:21,680
How could he have gone
to where he would be?
936
00:41:21,780 --> 00:41:25,216
He didn't take any
money with him.
937
00:41:25,316 --> 00:41:29,788
And he would be in so much
physical pain from his back.
938
00:41:29,888 --> 00:41:30,789
I don't know.
939
00:41:30,889 --> 00:41:32,658
If he did this, I
don't know how he
940
00:41:32,758 --> 00:41:36,061
could be alive knowing how much
my brother loved his family.
941
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,035
ROBERT STACK: However, Detective
John Kirkham does not subscribe
942
00:41:44,135 --> 00:41:45,971
to the suicide
theory, and he feels
943
00:41:46,071 --> 00:41:48,239
that Robert Fisher is not dead.
944
00:41:48,339 --> 00:41:49,474
DET.
945
00:41:49,575 --> 00:41:51,777
JOHN KIRKHAM: The theory
of Robert Fisher committing
946
00:41:51,877 --> 00:41:55,847
suicide in the woods
after leaving the vehicle,
947
00:41:55,947 --> 00:41:59,517
um, I believe is a
remote possibility.
948
00:42:03,521 --> 00:42:06,124
The vehicle itself
was about a quarter
949
00:42:06,224 --> 00:42:09,628
of a mile off of an improved
Forest Service road.
950
00:42:09,728 --> 00:42:13,164
It's a fairly active area with
a lot of traffic on that road.
951
00:42:16,802 --> 00:42:20,739
And there are various places
that one could use a phone,
952
00:42:20,839 --> 00:42:24,309
catch a ride, that
sort of thing.
953
00:42:24,409 --> 00:42:27,913
He has now probably
started a new life
954
00:42:28,013 --> 00:42:32,918
under an assumed identity.
955
00:42:33,018 --> 00:42:34,786
If Robert wanted
to kill himself,
956
00:42:34,886 --> 00:42:36,855
he would have done it when
he killed Mary, Brittany,
957
00:42:36,955 --> 00:42:38,924
and Bobby is my belief.
958
00:42:39,024 --> 00:42:43,194
So I do believe
Robert is alive, yes.
959
00:42:43,294 --> 00:42:45,330
ROBERT STACK: Robert Fisher has
been indicted for the murders
960
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:47,132
of his wife and children.
961
00:42:47,232 --> 00:42:49,935
Fisher is 41 years old,
stands six feet tall,
962
00:42:50,035 --> 00:42:52,370
and weighs 190 pounds.
963
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:54,906
He also has surgical
scars on his lower back
964
00:42:55,006 --> 00:42:58,176
and a gold crown on his
upper left canine tooth.
965
00:42:58,276 --> 00:43:00,946
Robert Fisher should be
considered armed and dangerous.
966
00:43:21,967 --> 00:43:24,302
Join me next time for
another intriguing hour
967
00:43:24,402 --> 00:43:27,873
of "Unsolved Mysteries."
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