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ANNOUNCER: Tonight on
"Unsolved Mysteries"--
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Rock and roll star Kurt Cobain
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was renowned for his
music and denounced
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for his drug-addicted lifestyle.
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To many who suicide in
1994 seemed understandable.
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But what if Kurt Cobain
did not take his own life?
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At least one
investigator is convinced
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that the official ruling
was a rush to judgment.
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The police have always valued
the phenomenal nose of the dog,
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whether it's tracking a
fugitive, detecting a bomb,
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or uncovering a stash of drugs.
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Now the medical
world is catching on.
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Can a dog's remarkable
sense of smell
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be used to sniff
out deadly cancers?
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Tommy Zeigler is a
condemned man, sentenced
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to the electric
chair for a Christmas
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Eve rampage that left
four people dead,
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including his own wife.
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Recently, an independent
lie detector test
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suggested that Zeigler
may, in fact, be innocent.
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You be the judge in the
final appeal Tommy Zeigler.
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Join me for another
intriguing addition
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of "Unsolved Mysteries."
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[theme music playing]
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The cure for cancer is
medicine's holy grail.
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In the absence of a cure, early
diagnosis is our best hope.
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Amazingly, one of mother
nature's most ingenious designs
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may have given us
an astonishingly
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accurate detection device.
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This unsolved mystery
could save your life.
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A dog's nose, as sensitive
as radar, as accurate
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as a heat seeking missile.
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It's been estimated that
a dog's sense of smell
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is more than 200 million times
stronger than that of humans.
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Over the centuries,
we've trained
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dogs to find anything we need.
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Incredibly, our
four-legged friends
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may also be able to detect
some kinds of cancer
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as long as two years before
doctors can diagnose it.
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Duane Pickel has been
training dogs professionally
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for more than three decades.
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He worked with them
during the Vietnam War
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during his 22 years
with the Tallahassee,
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Florida Police Department.
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When a local
dermatologist wondered
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if cancer had a signature scent
and if dogs could smell it,
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Dwayne decided to find out.
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I talked to several
nurses at the hospital
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and they said, yes, I
can smell cancer myself.
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And said, [inaudible],, when
you got off the elevator floor
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at the hospital,
there's something unique
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about that floor
as far as smell is
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concerned-- not
necessarily offensive,
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but something very unique.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The
initial experiments centered
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on skin cancer for two reasons.
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First, it affects more
people than any other cancer,
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killing thousands every
year; second, skin cancer
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is extremely difficult for
doctors to detect visually,
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especially the most
dangerous type, melanoma.
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Melanoma begins on
the surface of the skin
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and at that point
is 100% curable.
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However, if you ignore it, it
will grow deeper into the skin
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and eventually, it will
reach the blood vessels.
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Once it reaches
the blood vessels,
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it can spread around the body
and reach the vital organs.
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Once it's done that,
there is no treatment.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Duane hid real melanoma cells
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inside plastic tubes, hoping
the scent was strong enough
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for a dog to detect.
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Duane started the
experiment with George,
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a standard schnauzer already
trained to sniff out bombs.
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Once George was given the
scent, Duane hid the canister.
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DUANE PICKEL: I wasn't
sure whether it was going
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to have a strong
smell or whether it
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was going to be like a salt,
have a very weak smell.
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But we found out that it
has a very strong smell.
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And if you're going to compare
the ease of finding cancer
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with the ease of finding
drugs, you'd have to equate
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cancer with marijuana.
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It's a very strong odor.
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It's very odiferous, very
easy for the dog to find.
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Duane Pickel
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took pains to make
certain George
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was actually finding
cancer cells.
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To be sure the dog
couldn't be thrown off,
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he also tested George's ability
on a variety of other cells.
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We used normal lung
tissue from pigs,
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we used normal lung tissue
and skin tissue from people,
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we used necrotic tissue.
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We used everything
we could to make
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sure that the dog was really and
truly trained to find cancer.
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Show me where it's at.
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Good boy.
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OK.
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Then we knew that
we had it made.
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The dog was doing a good job
and was, indeed, finding cancer.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The
first part of the experiment
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seemed a clear success.
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Out of 451 searches,
George and other cancer
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trained dogs had a
99.8% success rate.
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Now Duane went to
the next level.
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Kim Edwards, a nurse,
became a human volunteer.
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During each of a
dozen tests, she
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placed bandages on her body.
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Sometimes there were live
cancer cells beneath them,
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sometimes there were none.
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KIM EDWARDS: I actually
would use long underwear
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to completely cover everything
so that George wouldn't have
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any indications of where
the bandages might be placed
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or where the cancer
cells might be placed.
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OK, Kim.
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Let's just go
ahead and lay down.
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We'll get started.
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KIM EDWARDS: And Duane would not
know how many bandages I had on
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or even whether I had any
cancerous bandages on.
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Come on, George.
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Check.
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Check.
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Check.
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Very good.
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OK.
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Is that where you put it?
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Yeah.
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That's the spot.
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Show Show me again.
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Where's it at?
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Every time George indicated
only on the cancer cells.
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He hit every one of them every
time, or if there were none
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he never indicated on them.
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While you're doing that, we're
going to have the dog check you
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and were going to
start at the head.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Eddie Messer,
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a Tallahassee police
officer, also volunteered
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as a human Guinea pig.
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A biopsy on a suspicious
spot on Eddie's back
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had already tested
negative for skin cancer.
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George slowly went
over Eddie's body,
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checking each
bandage thoroughly.
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When George reached
the suspicious spot,
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his nose smelled skin cancer.
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When George first put
his nose to that spot,
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it felt a little funny there.
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But knowing and being in the
background that I've been in
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and working with dogs at the
airport and what have you,
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it makes you think maybe he
knows what he's talking about.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
For a second opinion,
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Duane's partner,
Glenda [inaudible],,
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brought in her cancer
trained dog, Breeze.
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Breeze confirm
George's diagnosis.
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Eddie had a second biopsy,
it was still negative.
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Duane was sure it was wrong.
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They called me and said, well,
the spot come back negative.
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I said, I'm very
sorry, but my dog said
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it's melanoma, it's melanoma.
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So then they took
off the whole lesion
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and they froze it and they
sent it to a lab in Cleveland.
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They shaved it just one
little stroke at the time.
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It actually took four
and a half days later
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before they found
that there was a spot
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in the middle of
that lesion that
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was a melanoma level three.
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If it hadn't been for
the dog, if it hadn't
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been for this pathologist
just checking on this one spot
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for four and half
days and finding,
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yes, proving the dog was
right, in a couple of years
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it could have been
beyond repair.
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So now we found it early
enough that it is repairable.
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He's going to do fine.
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This could lead to
some exciting research
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in finding out what is it
that the dog's smelling?
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And that may lead to
blood tests or other tests
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to find these molecules as a
detection system for cancers.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Coming
up, the mysterious case of rock
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and roll star Kurt Cobain.
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Is there more to his
untimely death than suicide?
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But first, a judge
put him on death row
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for the cold-blooded
murder of four people.
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Now an independent
lie detector test
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suggests he may be innocent.
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Also, Lu Hanessian joins
us from the phone center
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with an intriguing update.
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You may recall this
harrowing scene
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from a previous broadcast.
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[gunfire]
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The double murder was as
mystifying as it was ruthless.
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Michelle Cartagena
and Grant Hendrickson,
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to straitlaced dean's
list college students,
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had been killed in a barrage
of semiautomatic rifle fire.
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Michelle's body had been dragged
from the car and her clothing
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left in disarray.
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One eyewitness
reported seeing a Honda
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CRX near the lakeside park where
Grant and Michelle were killed.
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Others described a similar
a car speeding from the area
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just after the murders.
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At the scene, the only clues
were spent shells from a Colt
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AR15 semiautomatic rifle.
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To solve the crime, authorities
would need a run of luck
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in a classic case of detective
work they made their own.
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Keely Shaye Smith is
still on maternity leave.
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Here's Lu Hennesian with the
tales of the investigation
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that cracked the case.
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Thanks, Bob.
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For nearly two
years, investigators
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checked the records of every
major pawn shop and gun dealer
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within 150 miles
of Macon, Georgia.
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They interviewed every
single person who
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had sold or pawned a Colt AR15.
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The first 2,000 leads
turned out to be dead ends.
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Still, they persisted.
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One of the agents found some
pawn records on an assault
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rifle that he was following up.
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When he followed
up those records,
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that's where he
located Mr. Randy Cook.
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And he in a routine interview
there interviewed him
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and the suspect acted
somewhat suspicious,
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made him want to follow
that up a little further
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and that's how he was
developed as a suspect.
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LU HANESSIAN (VOICEOVER): The
suspect 22-year-old Andy Cook,
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had also owned a Honda
CRX similar to the one
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spotted at the scene.
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Authorities kept Cook under
surveillance and within a week,
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he managed to get
himself arrested
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on a hunting violation.
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Later that day, Cook's father
told authorities his son had
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confessed to the double murder.
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A ballistics test
was the clincher.
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Police say slug's
from Cooks rifle
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matched those that had
killed Grant Hendrickson
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and Michelle Cartegena.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
For convicted
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murderers on death
row, it's just
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a few short steps to eternity.
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The electric chair
awaits, ready to exact
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the ultimate price for
the ultimate crime.
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Unless his last ditch
legal appeal succeeds,
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51-year-old Tommy Zeigler will
someday be led from his cell
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and executed,
Florida's retribution
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for a savage multiple murder.
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I did not kill Eunice, I did
not kill Mr. And Mrs. Edwards,
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and I did not kill Charlie Mays.
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I have not killed anybody.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Tommy Zeigler
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was wealthy and well-known.
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His family owned
Zeigler's Furniture Store
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and several apartment
buildings in the town
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of Winter Garden, Florida.
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Zeigler was married,
attended church,
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and called the mayor and chief
of police by their first names.
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According to
prosecutors, it wasn't
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enough for Tommy Zeigler.
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This is the scenario
they presented in court.
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Zeigler murdered
his wife, Eunice,
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in the kitchen area
of the furniture store
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on Christmas Eve in 1975.
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His motive, to turn $500,000 of
life insurance into cold cash.
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My marriage was
very good, very sound.
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Eunice and I loved
each other greatly.
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I couldn't kill her.
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There's just no way
I could kill her.
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I loved her.
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She was my life, that was
just all there was to it.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
The killings didn't stop
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with Eunice, say prosecutors.
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Her parents, Perry and Virginia
Edwards, were also at the store
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that night.
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[gunshots]
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By prearrangement, a customer
named Charlie Mays stopped
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by to pick up a television set.
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Zeigler's plan, to kill Mays and
frame him for robbing the store
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and murdering Eunice
and her parents.
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Mays would be found
with stone receipts
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and cash stuffed in his pockets.
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Zeigler ended the bloodbath
with final dramatic flourish.
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He shot himself in the
side to ensure that he,
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too, would be seen as a victim.
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Prosecutors say they never
fell for the charade.
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Zeigler was still
in the hospital
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when he was charged
with the killings.
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Soon after, he was convicted
and condemned to death.
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Assistant State
Attorney Jeffrey Ashton
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will represent Florida if
Zeigler is granted an appeal.
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I think that Tommy Zeigler
will ultimately die for killing
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those four people
and I believe he
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has the right man to
die for it and I believe
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that he will deserve it.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): This
is how Tommy Zeigler tells it.
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He planned to meet Unice and
her parents at the store.
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He says he was unaware
that they were already
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dead when he opened
the back door
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and found the
lights not working.
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TOMMY ZEIGLER: I walked from
there into the main showroom,
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through the door, and I was
hit in the back of the head.
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As I was getting up, there
were two blurs coming in.
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One was a shorter, stocky
man; one was a big burly man.
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[glass breaking]
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I was just being bounced
around, glass was breaking,
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things were being knocked
over and knocked down.
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I was thrown back
into the hallway.
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Zeigler
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kept large amounts
of cash at the store
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and carried a handgun
for protection.
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He believes he may have
wounded one of the assailants.
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Then he himself was
shot in the side.
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Before filming this
segment, we insisted
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that Tommy Zeigler submit
to a lie detector test
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with no attorneys present.
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Zeigler was examined
by one of the country's
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most respected forensic
specialists, John Paul Matir.
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After talking to Tommy
Zeigler for the period of time
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that I did and assessing
all of the other information
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that I had, it was my
professional opinion
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that Tommy Zeigler
was telling the truth
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and that in fact, he had walked
into probably an armed robbery
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in progress or that was
staged for his benefit
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and that he was,
in fact, a victim.
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Condemned killer Tommy
Zeigler won't go quietly.
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For more than 20 years from a
hospital bed, from a courtroom,
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now from death
row, he has loudly
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proclaimed his innocence.
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Zeigler and his attorneys
say they have new evidence
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that debunks the
prosecution case
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and makes liars
of its witnesses.
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The state stands by the verdict,
Tommy Zeitler is guilty.
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His motive, a life insurance
payout of $500,000.
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Tommy!
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Tommy, what happened?
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
On the night of the murder,
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Zeigler stumbled out
of the store at 9:25.
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Minutes earlier,
Zeigler had called
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the police chief
and a private party
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to report that he'd been shot.
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Almost immediately,
evidence in this store
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raised troubling questions.
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First, the body of
Zeigler's wife, Eunice.
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Her oddly unruffled pose--
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coat on, hand and pocket--
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suggested to police that
her killer was no stranger.
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I think it's very unlikely
that any unknown assailant
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could get in a position where
they could surprise Eunice
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Zeigler in that
kind of circumstance
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and shoot her in the back of the
head and catch her in that way.
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Second problem, blood type.
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Zeigler's father-in-law,
Perry Edward,
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was type A. Tommy
Zeigler's shirt was
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stained with a quantity
of type A blood,
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in addition to his own type O.
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JEFFREY ASHTON: His story
didn't account for that,
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as to how he got someone
else's blood on his shirt
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and the blood type matched Perry
Edwards, which would indicate
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that he was involved
in that struggle
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with Perry Edwards that
resulted in his death.
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During the course of his
struggle in the store when
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Tommy first came in, he was in
a fight with a couple of people.
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One of those people he had a
struggle with and was hitting
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him with a gun, it would
have caused bleeding
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and it could have
caused the blood there.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Scattered among the bodies
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were five handguns.
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Four had been wiped
clean of fingerprints.
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Two of the guns were inexpensive
Saturday Night specials
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made by a company named RG.
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Of the five guns found
in the store, three of them
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were documented as
belonging to Tommy Zeigler.
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The other two that were there,
which was the cheaper guns,
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were not registered to him
but they were connected
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to him through another witness.
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I bought good, high quality
guns when I bought guns,
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and I had good
high quality guns.
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From what I understand
and what I saw at trial,
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those RGs are garbage.
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State your name, please.
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Felton Thomas, sir.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
One of the key witnesses
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for the state was a man
named Felton Thomas.
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Thomas was a friend of Charlie
Mays, one of the four victims.
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Tommy Zeigler says the
account you are about to hear
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is a total fabrication,
start to finish.
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We went to the
furniture store.
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About what time did you
get to the furniture store?
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Felton Thomas
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testified that on the
night of the murders,
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he had gone to Zeigler's
store with Charlie Mays.
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Sorry I'm late.
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Oh, that's all right.
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Hey, this is Felton Thomas.
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He come to help
me get the TV set.
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Listen, the guy with
the keys isn't here yet,
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but while we're waiting for
him, why don't we take a ride?
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I've got something
I want to show you.
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All right.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Thomas told the court
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that Zeigler took them
to a nearby orange grove
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to show off some new guns.
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Smooth, clean action.
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All right.
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I'm going to step out
and fire off a couple.
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No, no, no.
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No, here.
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Just do it from the window.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Prosecutors charge
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that Zeigler's plan was
to taint Thomas and Mays
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with gunshot residue
and taint the weapons
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with their fingerprints.
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If, in fact, that
was his purpose
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for doing that so that he could
set up Charlie Mays and Felton
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Thomas and have their
prints on the guns,
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why were all of the
guns wiped clean?
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What happened
later at the store?
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Mays told us to go around--
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Thomas testified
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that once back at
the store, Zeigler
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asked him to kill the power.
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Thomas complied.
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All right.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Zeigler then made a more
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startling proposal, break in.
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Come on.
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OK, Charlie.
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Pick yourself up a piece
of pipe and help us out.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
To prosecutors, it
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was all part of
Zeigler's plan to create
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evidence of a robbery
to explain the murders
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of Eunice and her parents.
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No, I ain't doing it.
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All right.
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Well, maybe I've got
an extra key back home.
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Why dont' we go and pick it up.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Thomas
told the court that they next
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drove to Zeigler's
house for the key,
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then they went
back to the store.
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Well, are you going to come
in and help us with the TV?
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
According to Thomas,
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Mays and Zeigler went
inside and he left.
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Prosecutors say that once inside
the store, Zeigler killed Mays.
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The defense completely
dismisses Thomas' account.
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To begin with, they
claim his entire scenario
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would have to occur in
less than 21 minutes.
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We get out I
guess about a mile--
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Felton Thomas is a joke.
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I have no idea why
Felton Thomas would
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make up a story like that.
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I had never laid
eyes on him until he
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walked in that courtroom
to testify against me.
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I know Tommy Zeigler.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Another key witness
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for the state was
Ed Williams, who
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had known and worked
for the Ziegler family
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during the previous 10 years.
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I was a permanent resident.
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Williams
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testified that on the
night of the murders,
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Zeigler gave him a handgun.
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Later that night,
Williams turned
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the weapon over to authorities.
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Ballistics tests would reveal
that bullets from that gun
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killed Perry and
Virginia Edwards.
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Edward Williams in the last
20 years, as far as we know,
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has been an upstanding citizen,
hasn't done anything wrong.
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And there's no reason not
to believe Edward Williams.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
However, Zeigler
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testified that the
gun in question
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had been taken from his truck
two weeks before the murders.
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Among those who had ready access
to the vehicle was Ed Williams.
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A witness also linked
Williams to the weapon that
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killed Eunice Zeigler, one of
those Saturday Night specials
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found at the scene.
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The witness, called
by the prosecution,
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testified that he had purchased
the two guns for Tommy Zeigler.
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However, he admitted they
had never met face to face.
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The deal had actually been
made through an intermediary
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identified by the
witness as Ed Williams.
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Edward Williams
is, in fact, the one
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that purchased the
two Saturday Night
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specials that did the killing.
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And the only person that was
found with a murder weapon
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on him was Edward Williams.
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They were all directly
traceable to Edward Williams,
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not to Tommy Zeigler.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
It was not just
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the witnesses who took
the stand that troubled
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Zeigler and his attorneys.
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It was also those who
were never called.
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The defense claims that
two people verified
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Zeigler's contention that
unidentified individuals
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had been at the store.
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A husband and wife reported
to the sheriff's department
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that they had been driving by
the Zeigler Furniture Store
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on the night of the crime and
that they had seen four cars,
490
00:24:35,842 --> 00:24:37,777
not two as the
state had contended,
491
00:24:37,877 --> 00:24:41,113
outside the furniture store,
including a white Cadillac,
492
00:24:41,213 --> 00:24:43,616
all of which is completely
inconsistent with the state's
493
00:24:43,716 --> 00:24:45,184
version of events.
494
00:24:45,284 --> 00:24:48,154
In addition, they saw
a man who generally
495
00:24:48,254 --> 00:24:51,423
fit the description of
Charlie Mays, who we believe
496
00:24:51,524 --> 00:24:53,059
was one of the perpetrators.
497
00:24:53,159 --> 00:24:56,362
And none of that was reported
to the court, none of it
498
00:24:56,462 --> 00:24:58,531
was presented to the
jury, and none of it
499
00:24:58,631 --> 00:25:02,569
was reported to the trial
lawyers for Mr. Zeigler.
500
00:25:02,669 --> 00:25:04,203
Any witness who
comes by and claims
501
00:25:04,303 --> 00:25:06,806
to be an eye or ear witness
at the time of a murder
502
00:25:06,906 --> 00:25:09,175
is going to be interviewed.
503
00:25:09,275 --> 00:25:10,577
A statement's going to be taken.
504
00:25:10,677 --> 00:25:13,212
So I think their claim that they
went by the police department
505
00:25:13,312 --> 00:25:16,348
to talk about the case
is not very credible.
506
00:25:19,652 --> 00:25:20,920
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Zeigler's trial
507
00:25:21,020 --> 00:25:22,622
lasted four weeks
and filled nearly
508
00:25:22,722 --> 00:25:25,357
3,000 pages of transcripts.
509
00:25:25,457 --> 00:25:27,927
In the end, the jury
voted to convict.
510
00:25:28,027 --> 00:25:30,897
They recommended life in
prison, but they were overruled
511
00:25:30,997 --> 00:25:33,365
by Judge Maurice Paul.
512
00:25:33,465 --> 00:25:35,968
Notwithstanding the
recommendation of a majority
513
00:25:36,068 --> 00:25:39,271
of the jury, it is the
sentence of the law
514
00:25:39,371 --> 00:25:42,942
and the judgment of this
court that you, William Thomas
515
00:25:43,042 --> 00:25:46,012
Ziegler, Jr., shall
be put to death
516
00:25:46,112 --> 00:25:47,680
by means of electrocution.
517
00:25:47,780 --> 00:25:50,516
Nobody in their right mind
that can look at that trial
518
00:25:50,617 --> 00:25:52,719
transcript can say that
there was a fair trial
519
00:25:52,819 --> 00:25:54,654
in Ziegler versus State.
520
00:25:54,754 --> 00:25:59,992
It was a railroad
from day one and judge
521
00:26:00,092 --> 00:26:01,560
Paul orchestrated
the whole thing.
522
00:26:03,896 --> 00:26:04,997
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Ziegler
523
00:26:05,097 --> 00:26:07,099
believes Judge Paul had
held a grudge against him
524
00:26:07,199 --> 00:26:09,335
since they had testified
for opposing sides
525
00:26:09,435 --> 00:26:12,438
in a bitter legal dispute.
526
00:26:12,538 --> 00:26:16,208
Within months
thereafter, Tommy Zeigler
527
00:26:16,308 --> 00:26:19,345
was standing at the defendant's
table accused of murder
528
00:26:19,445 --> 00:26:23,616
and Judge Paul was sitting
on the bench making decisions
529
00:26:23,716 --> 00:26:25,451
that would affect his life.
530
00:26:25,551 --> 00:26:29,956
Judge Maurice Paul was
a very respected member of
531
00:26:30,056 --> 00:26:32,358
the judiciary of Orange County.
532
00:26:32,458 --> 00:26:36,195
He is now a federal district
court judge up in northern part
533
00:26:36,295 --> 00:26:38,965
of Florida and his
reputation and ethics have
534
00:26:39,065 --> 00:26:40,366
never been subject to question.
535
00:26:40,466 --> 00:26:42,802
No one has even ever
alleged he is anything
536
00:26:42,902 --> 00:26:44,837
other than an honest man.
537
00:26:44,937 --> 00:26:47,740
Nothing that I've heard
the defense claiming
538
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,243
outside of court
in books or on TV
539
00:26:51,343 --> 00:26:54,546
is in any way convincing
once you analyze it.
540
00:26:54,647 --> 00:26:56,182
Once you analyze
all their claims,
541
00:26:56,282 --> 00:26:57,817
you see that they
really are nothing.
542
00:27:00,753 --> 00:27:02,789
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
On May 19, 1986,
543
00:27:02,889 --> 00:27:05,057
Zeigler stood at the precipice.
544
00:27:05,157 --> 00:27:07,226
Less than 24 hours
remained before he
545
00:27:07,326 --> 00:27:10,362
would face the electric chair.
546
00:27:10,462 --> 00:27:12,865
Then a federal court
granted a stay.
547
00:27:12,965 --> 00:27:15,001
Zeigler filed an appeal.
548
00:27:15,101 --> 00:27:17,937
In 1987, his attorneys
used Florida's Freedom
549
00:27:18,037 --> 00:27:21,708
of Information Act to open
up the prosecution files.
550
00:27:21,808 --> 00:27:26,478
They found previously
undisclosed evidence.
551
00:27:26,578 --> 00:27:29,581
You're about to hear excerpts
of a tape-recorded conversation
552
00:27:29,682 --> 00:27:31,550
between a prosecution
investigator
553
00:27:31,650 --> 00:27:33,519
and an apparent witness.
554
00:27:33,619 --> 00:27:35,521
The young man was
staying at this motel
555
00:27:35,621 --> 00:27:37,156
on the night of the murders.
556
00:27:37,256 --> 00:27:41,627
His room faced the back
of Zeigler's store.
557
00:27:41,728 --> 00:27:43,662
The man said that
at about 8:30, he
558
00:27:43,763 --> 00:27:46,632
saw a policeman,
service revolver drawn,
559
00:27:46,733 --> 00:27:48,835
hunkered down behind the store.
560
00:27:48,935 --> 00:27:50,302
Around 9:00, he heard shots.
561
00:27:53,005 --> 00:27:56,575
This is obviously significant
because if it was at 9:00,
562
00:27:56,675 --> 00:28:00,546
this was 20 minutes at
least before the time Tommy
563
00:28:00,646 --> 00:28:03,015
called for help.
564
00:28:03,115 --> 00:28:06,052
It would mean that Tommy
would have been in the store
565
00:28:06,152 --> 00:28:07,486
at this time.
566
00:28:07,586 --> 00:28:10,222
And if there was a policeman
outside with his gun drawn
567
00:28:10,322 --> 00:28:12,158
and there were shots
going off then,
568
00:28:12,258 --> 00:28:14,827
the police had to
have been involved.
569
00:28:14,927 --> 00:28:17,463
It appears to have
shots being fired
570
00:28:17,563 --> 00:28:20,066
after the police arrived,
which clearly couldn't
571
00:28:20,166 --> 00:28:21,968
be related to the murder.
572
00:28:22,068 --> 00:28:24,536
Maybe some sound that
sounded like a gunshot.
573
00:28:24,636 --> 00:28:28,174
So the information
itself is meaningless.
574
00:28:28,274 --> 00:28:30,276
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Was
a police officer involved?
575
00:28:30,376 --> 00:28:32,044
We may never know.
576
00:28:32,144 --> 00:28:34,513
The prosecution did not
inform Zeigler's attorneys
577
00:28:34,613 --> 00:28:36,949
of this account, nor did
they call the witness
578
00:28:37,049 --> 00:28:39,285
to testify at the trial.
579
00:28:39,385 --> 00:28:40,953
INVESTIGATOR (ON TAPE):
Well, as long as you heard
580
00:28:41,053 --> 00:28:44,256
the gunshots after you
saw the police cars,
581
00:28:44,356 --> 00:28:48,727
that wouldn't help us a bit.
582
00:28:48,828 --> 00:28:51,630
Today, Tommy Zeigler is
asking for a new trial in which
583
00:28:51,730 --> 00:28:53,866
a new judge and jury
can listen to the tape
584
00:28:53,966 --> 00:28:56,035
and review all the evidence.
585
00:28:56,135 --> 00:28:58,971
A ruling on Ziegler's
appeal is still pending.
586
00:28:59,071 --> 00:29:02,141
Of course, the question
remains, even if Tommy Zeigler
587
00:29:02,241 --> 00:29:06,012
wins another day in court, will
that verdict be any different?
588
00:29:19,158 --> 00:29:22,929
Next, when rock and roll singer
Kurt Cobain committed suicide,
589
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:24,897
few questioned the
official ruling.
590
00:29:24,997 --> 00:29:26,765
But private
investigator Tom Grant
591
00:29:26,866 --> 00:29:29,368
is convinced that the
truth about Cobain's death
592
00:29:29,468 --> 00:29:30,369
has yet to be revealed.
593
00:29:45,317 --> 00:29:47,553
April 8th, 1994.
594
00:29:47,653 --> 00:29:49,755
Music fans worldwide
were horrified
595
00:29:49,856 --> 00:29:52,825
to learn of the tragic death
of reluctant rock star Kurt
596
00:29:52,925 --> 00:29:54,760
Cobain.
597
00:29:54,861 --> 00:29:56,628
Cobain's body was
found in a room
598
00:29:56,728 --> 00:29:59,698
above the garage of his
Seattle, Washington home.
599
00:29:59,798 --> 00:30:02,268
He had apparently taken
a large dose of heroin
600
00:30:02,368 --> 00:30:03,802
and killed himself
with a shotgun.
601
00:30:07,907 --> 00:30:11,610
Even as the mourning commenced,
rumors began to circulate.
602
00:30:11,710 --> 00:30:14,346
What if Kurt Cobain
did not kill himself?
603
00:30:14,446 --> 00:30:17,316
What if Kurt Cobain
was murdered?
604
00:30:17,416 --> 00:30:19,651
One private investigator
who's been on the case
605
00:30:19,751 --> 00:30:24,656
from the very beginning believes
the official ruling is wrong.
606
00:30:24,756 --> 00:30:27,559
I don't believe Kurt
Cobain committed suicide.
607
00:30:27,659 --> 00:30:30,529
I believe there was someone
with him in that room.
608
00:30:30,629 --> 00:30:32,731
I believe it was
someone that he knew,
609
00:30:32,831 --> 00:30:34,833
they were doing heroin together.
610
00:30:34,934 --> 00:30:38,437
I believe at a certain
point, more heroin
611
00:30:38,537 --> 00:30:41,573
was injected into Kurt Cobain
than what he wanted injected
612
00:30:41,673 --> 00:30:44,610
into himself and
after that point,
613
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:47,146
he was shot with a
shotgun once he had
614
00:30:47,246 --> 00:30:50,249
become totally incapacitated.
615
00:30:50,349 --> 00:30:53,485
Our detectives actually
went into this investigation
616
00:30:53,585 --> 00:30:56,555
on the premise that
this was a homicide.
617
00:30:56,655 --> 00:30:59,325
That's the way they conducted
this investigation so
618
00:30:59,425 --> 00:31:02,694
that there was a very thorough,
comprehensive investigation
619
00:31:02,794 --> 00:31:04,696
done from the very beginning.
620
00:31:04,796 --> 00:31:08,834
And everything that the
detectives encountered
621
00:31:08,935 --> 00:31:11,537
indicated to them that
this was a suicide.
622
00:31:11,637 --> 00:31:15,241
We actually found nothing
to indicate that this
623
00:31:15,341 --> 00:31:17,043
was anything but a suicide.
624
00:31:20,346 --> 00:31:21,613
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Kurt Cobain
625
00:31:21,713 --> 00:31:25,117
was the lead singer and creative
force for Nirvana, a wildly
626
00:31:25,217 --> 00:31:27,686
popular grunge rock band.
627
00:31:27,786 --> 00:31:29,388
But Cobain also
made headlines for
628
00:31:29,488 --> 00:31:33,025
his drug-addicted lifestyle.
629
00:31:33,125 --> 00:31:35,027
This photograph was
taken on March 4th,
630
00:31:35,127 --> 00:31:40,499
1994, as Cobain was being rushed
to a hospital in Rome, Italy.
631
00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:45,504
He had overdosed on sedatives
and alcohol and nearly died.
632
00:31:45,604 --> 00:31:47,573
Three weeks later,
on March 30th,
633
00:31:47,673 --> 00:31:49,408
family and friends
persuaded Cobain
634
00:31:49,508 --> 00:31:51,677
to check into the
Exodus Recovery Center
635
00:31:51,777 --> 00:31:55,614
in Marina Del Rey, California.
636
00:31:55,714 --> 00:31:57,549
But in less than
48 hours, Cobain
637
00:31:57,649 --> 00:32:01,387
walked out and took a late
night flight back to Seattle.
638
00:32:01,487 --> 00:32:04,456
A limo driver dropped
Cobain off at his home,
639
00:32:04,556 --> 00:32:05,891
where his daughter's
male nanny saw
640
00:32:05,992 --> 00:32:07,393
him on the morning of April 2.
641
00:32:10,029 --> 00:32:13,665
The next day, Cobain's wife,
fellow rocker Courtney Love,
642
00:32:13,765 --> 00:32:16,235
is said to have contacted
Tom Grant, a Los
643
00:32:16,335 --> 00:32:19,005
Angeles-based private
investigator and former LA
644
00:32:19,105 --> 00:32:22,108
County sheriff's deputy.
645
00:32:22,208 --> 00:32:25,611
Grant claims he met with Love
at a Beverly Hills Hotel.
646
00:32:25,711 --> 00:32:27,779
He also says she did
not mention that Cobain
647
00:32:27,879 --> 00:32:32,218
had been seen at their
Seattle home the day before.
648
00:32:32,318 --> 00:32:35,521
We set up a surveillance
in Seattle on a couple
649
00:32:35,621 --> 00:32:40,326
of locations and we were
attempting to locate Kurt
650
00:32:40,426 --> 00:32:43,795
and try to determine what
he was doing-- where he was,
651
00:32:43,895 --> 00:32:45,231
where he was going.
652
00:32:45,331 --> 00:32:47,599
Courtney asked us, of
course, not to contact him,
653
00:32:47,699 --> 00:32:49,068
not to make any
contact with him,
654
00:32:49,168 --> 00:32:53,272
just to report back where he
was and what was going on.
655
00:32:53,372 --> 00:32:55,107
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
When the surveillance failed,
656
00:32:55,207 --> 00:32:57,476
Grant himself flew to Seattle.
657
00:32:57,576 --> 00:33:01,047
He claims he and one of Cobain's
friends began searching.
658
00:33:01,147 --> 00:33:03,482
They checked Cobain's
usual hangouts.
659
00:33:03,582 --> 00:33:06,218
Then about 2:00 AM
on April 7th, Grant
660
00:33:06,318 --> 00:33:09,288
says they went to
Cobain's house.
661
00:33:09,388 --> 00:33:12,124
And we searched the entire
interior of the house--
662
00:33:12,224 --> 00:33:15,461
the basement, the living
room, the upstairs, the attic.
663
00:33:15,561 --> 00:33:18,230
We left all through
the house for Kurt.
664
00:33:18,330 --> 00:33:20,066
His friend, when we
went in the house,
665
00:33:20,166 --> 00:33:21,400
made a comment that
he'd never seen
666
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:22,701
the house this clean before.
667
00:33:22,801 --> 00:33:28,507
Apparently, it's never
been that straightened up.
668
00:33:28,607 --> 00:33:30,676
We didn't locate Kurt.
669
00:33:30,776 --> 00:33:33,779
We didn't see any indication
that he had been at the house.
670
00:33:33,879 --> 00:33:35,281
About this
location right here--
671
00:33:35,381 --> 00:33:36,582
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Some 20 hours
672
00:33:36,682 --> 00:33:39,017
later, Tom Grant says
he and Cobain's friend
673
00:33:39,118 --> 00:33:41,120
searched the house again.
674
00:33:41,220 --> 00:33:43,422
This time, Grant claims
they found a note left
675
00:33:43,522 --> 00:33:46,392
for Cobain by the male nanny.
676
00:33:46,492 --> 00:33:49,128
The first line of a
note started off, Kurt, I
677
00:33:49,228 --> 00:33:50,929
can't believe you managed
to be in this house
678
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:53,732
without me knowing.
679
00:33:53,832 --> 00:33:56,568
We searched the entire
interior of the residence
680
00:33:56,668 --> 00:33:59,037
once again for any evidence
that Kurt might have been there
681
00:33:59,138 --> 00:34:01,773
the night before or
since we had left
682
00:34:01,873 --> 00:34:03,542
the location the first time.
683
00:34:03,642 --> 00:34:06,345
And we found no evidence
that he had been there.
684
00:34:06,445 --> 00:34:08,147
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
The next day, an electrician
685
00:34:08,247 --> 00:34:09,948
discovered Cobain's
body in a room
686
00:34:10,048 --> 00:34:12,351
above the garage known
as the greenhouse,
687
00:34:12,451 --> 00:34:16,355
the only place grant says he and
Cobain's friend did not check.
688
00:34:16,455 --> 00:34:19,024
According to Grant, he was
never told about the room
689
00:34:19,125 --> 00:34:22,128
and it was too dark to see it.
690
00:34:22,228 --> 00:34:23,562
It just really
seemed strange to me
691
00:34:23,662 --> 00:34:25,797
that the one place in
that entire property
692
00:34:25,897 --> 00:34:27,866
that we didn't
search was the place
693
00:34:27,966 --> 00:34:30,035
that I was never told about.
694
00:34:30,136 --> 00:34:32,504
And of course, the
medical examiner later
695
00:34:32,604 --> 00:34:33,772
determined that
Kurt had been laying
696
00:34:33,872 --> 00:34:36,007
up there dead for several days.
697
00:34:36,108 --> 00:34:37,643
So while we were
searching the main house,
698
00:34:37,743 --> 00:34:41,847
Kurt Cobain was lying
dead up above the garage.
699
00:34:41,947 --> 00:34:43,715
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): This
is a diagram of Tom Gran't
700
00:34:43,815 --> 00:34:45,384
depiction of the death scene.
701
00:34:45,484 --> 00:34:47,419
A 20-gauge shotgun
was still cradled
702
00:34:47,519 --> 00:34:49,521
across Kurt Cobain's body.
703
00:34:49,621 --> 00:34:53,024
His heroin kit was at his side
and a note apparently written
704
00:34:53,125 --> 00:34:55,927
by Cobain was in plain sight.
705
00:34:56,027 --> 00:34:57,963
The first officers to
arrive at the house
706
00:34:58,063 --> 00:35:02,134
reported that they were
on the scene of a suicide.
707
00:35:02,234 --> 00:35:05,437
I contacted the police
the day the body was found.
708
00:35:05,537 --> 00:35:07,639
I attempted on the
telephone to get
709
00:35:07,739 --> 00:35:11,210
them to slow down a little bit.
710
00:35:11,310 --> 00:35:13,945
I indicated I felt
something was wrong.
711
00:35:14,045 --> 00:35:15,614
They basically told
me on the phone, hey,
712
00:35:15,714 --> 00:35:19,718
we know a suicide
when we see a suicide.
713
00:35:19,818 --> 00:35:21,753
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Tom Grant strongly disagrees
714
00:35:21,853 --> 00:35:23,155
and believes he
has found a number
715
00:35:23,255 --> 00:35:25,457
of notable inconsistencies.
716
00:35:25,557 --> 00:35:28,026
Item number one,
according to grant,
717
00:35:28,126 --> 00:35:31,096
Kurt Cobain carried
only one credit card.
718
00:35:31,197 --> 00:35:32,964
Courtney Love had
reportedly canceled
719
00:35:33,064 --> 00:35:34,933
that card shortly
after Cobain left
720
00:35:35,033 --> 00:35:38,136
the drug rehab in California.
721
00:35:38,237 --> 00:35:41,807
Now Courtney told me that she
had stopped this credit card so
722
00:35:41,907 --> 00:35:45,076
that she could track Kurt's
activities as he attempted
723
00:35:45,177 --> 00:35:46,878
to use the credit card.
724
00:35:46,978 --> 00:35:49,581
In actuality, stopping
the credit card
725
00:35:49,681 --> 00:35:51,983
is what made it more difficult.
726
00:35:52,083 --> 00:35:54,019
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): After
the credit card was canceled,
727
00:35:54,119 --> 00:35:56,955
the bank apparently recorded
only the dates, the amounts,
728
00:35:57,055 --> 00:35:59,891
and generic information,
not where the attempts
729
00:35:59,991 --> 00:36:02,828
were made to use the card.
730
00:36:02,928 --> 00:36:05,864
TOM GRANT: There was an
attempt made on April 6th
731
00:36:05,964 --> 00:36:08,800
in an amount of over $1,500.
732
00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:12,438
There was another attempt made
on April 8th which was Friday,
733
00:36:12,538 --> 00:36:16,675
the day the body was found,
for an amount of $43.
734
00:36:16,775 --> 00:36:19,211
Now, according to
the medical examiner,
735
00:36:19,311 --> 00:36:25,617
Kurt had died sometime on April
5th, the previous Tuesday.
736
00:36:25,717 --> 00:36:28,787
Who was using the credit card?
737
00:36:28,887 --> 00:36:31,657
The information we've been
able to receive from the bank
738
00:36:31,757 --> 00:36:34,626
has only been able
to identify for us
739
00:36:34,726 --> 00:36:38,897
when the information was logged
onto their mainframe computer
740
00:36:38,997 --> 00:36:42,000
and not specifically
when the attempt was made
741
00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:44,803
or who it was made by.
742
00:36:44,903 --> 00:36:46,705
TOM GRANT: And after the body
was discovered, of course,
743
00:36:46,805 --> 00:36:50,108
the police searched
Kurt's property.
744
00:36:50,208 --> 00:36:52,143
Two other cards were
found in the wallet,
745
00:36:52,244 --> 00:36:56,081
but the actual credit card
that Courtney had canceled--
746
00:36:56,181 --> 00:36:59,551
the same card that someone was
attempting to use after we now
747
00:36:59,651 --> 00:37:01,820
know Kurt was already dead--
748
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,292
was not found in
Kurt's property.
749
00:37:06,392 --> 00:37:08,494
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Item number two, the autopsy
750
00:37:08,594 --> 00:37:11,730
reportedly showed Kurt Cobain's
blood contained a tranquilizer,
751
00:37:11,830 --> 00:37:14,099
Diazepam, and heroin.
752
00:37:14,199 --> 00:37:17,202
According to Tom Grant and
published news articles,
753
00:37:17,303 --> 00:37:20,939
the level was 1.5
milligrams per liter.
754
00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:23,975
Some medical experts say
that much heroin could kill
755
00:37:24,075 --> 00:37:27,613
a non-addict three times over.
756
00:37:27,713 --> 00:37:29,581
Could he, with
that much heroin
757
00:37:29,681 --> 00:37:32,017
and Diazepam in
his system, could
758
00:37:32,117 --> 00:37:34,486
he even pick up that shotgun?
759
00:37:34,586 --> 00:37:38,390
Wouldn't he be incapacitated
within seconds?
760
00:37:38,490 --> 00:37:43,829
For most people, including
addicts, 1.5 milligrams
761
00:37:43,929 --> 00:37:48,233
per liter of morphine
is a significant level
762
00:37:48,334 --> 00:37:51,537
and for most of them,
the great percentage,
763
00:37:51,637 --> 00:37:53,539
it will be a level
that will induce
764
00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:57,609
a state of unconsciousness
quite quickly--
765
00:37:57,709 --> 00:38:00,379
talking about
seconds, not minutes.
766
00:38:00,479 --> 00:38:01,613
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Cyril Wecht
767
00:38:01,713 --> 00:38:04,383
is a nationally-known
forensic pathologist.
768
00:38:04,483 --> 00:38:07,052
Even though he hasn't
seen the autopsy report,
769
00:38:07,152 --> 00:38:10,221
Wecht believes the
suicide ruling is correct.
770
00:38:10,322 --> 00:38:14,159
However, he does find the high
level of heroin intriguing.
771
00:38:14,259 --> 00:38:17,463
I just cannot tell you that
it would have been impossible
772
00:38:17,563 --> 00:38:22,267
for him to have shot himself
because it was found that he
773
00:38:22,368 --> 00:38:26,638
had a level of 1.5 milligrams
per liter of morphine
774
00:38:26,738 --> 00:38:29,341
at the post-mortem examination.
775
00:38:29,441 --> 00:38:32,978
It's certainly within
the realm of possibility,
776
00:38:33,078 --> 00:38:37,516
but it does raise a question
as to whether or not
777
00:38:37,616 --> 00:38:40,185
he shot that shot.
778
00:38:40,285 --> 00:38:41,553
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Dr. Donald Ray,
779
00:38:41,653 --> 00:38:43,689
chief medical examiner
of King County,
780
00:38:43,789 --> 00:38:46,257
inspected Cobain's
body at the scene.
781
00:38:46,358 --> 00:38:50,529
He does not find Cobain's
heroin intake problematic.
782
00:38:50,629 --> 00:38:52,163
It's really an issue
of tolerance, how
783
00:38:52,263 --> 00:38:53,499
much is this person used to?
784
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:57,302
If a person has gradually
over the months or years
785
00:38:57,403 --> 00:39:03,008
increased the dose, a
person could function
786
00:39:03,108 --> 00:39:07,078
with that amount of drugs,
narcotics, or whatever
787
00:39:07,178 --> 00:39:08,614
it is present in the system.
788
00:39:08,714 --> 00:39:12,651
Again, so much of it depends
upon individual tolerance
789
00:39:12,751 --> 00:39:14,953
over a period of time.
790
00:39:15,053 --> 00:39:16,455
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Item number three,
791
00:39:16,555 --> 00:39:18,890
police have checked the
shotgun, the shotgun
792
00:39:18,990 --> 00:39:21,326
shells, and the pen used
to write the suicide
793
00:39:21,427 --> 00:39:22,961
note for fingerprints.
794
00:39:23,061 --> 00:39:26,432
There were no legible
prints on any of them.
795
00:39:26,532 --> 00:39:29,468
I think it's clear that anyone
who is familiar with firearms
796
00:39:29,568 --> 00:39:32,871
and their use would
know that as they
797
00:39:32,971 --> 00:39:34,806
hold a weapon, that
frequently that weapon
798
00:39:34,906 --> 00:39:36,742
will move in their hand.
799
00:39:36,842 --> 00:39:38,877
Additionally, when that
weapon is discharged,
800
00:39:38,977 --> 00:39:42,748
that caused a jerking motion
which causes the hands to move
801
00:39:42,848 --> 00:39:44,750
over the surface of the weapon.
802
00:39:44,850 --> 00:39:47,986
And all of those
factors could cause
803
00:39:48,086 --> 00:39:51,056
any fingerprints that may
have been left on the weapon
804
00:39:51,156 --> 00:39:52,924
to be unusable.
805
00:39:53,024 --> 00:39:54,159
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Item number
806
00:39:54,259 --> 00:39:56,728
four, the alleged suicide note.
807
00:39:56,828 --> 00:39:59,064
Tom Grant believes it
was actually a retirement
808
00:39:59,164 --> 00:40:02,033
letter to Cobain's fans.
809
00:40:02,133 --> 00:40:04,269
There were rumors that
Cobain was feeling burned out
810
00:40:04,369 --> 00:40:07,138
and was planning to
adopt a lower profile.
811
00:40:07,238 --> 00:40:10,542
He had recently pulled out of
the annual Lollapalooza tour,
812
00:40:10,642 --> 00:40:12,444
a decision which
some speculate could
813
00:40:12,544 --> 00:40:17,616
have cost Cobain and others
involved millions of dollars.
814
00:40:17,716 --> 00:40:21,252
This is a copy of the note that
has been widely circulated.
815
00:40:21,352 --> 00:40:23,321
Tom Grant suggests
that only the last four
816
00:40:23,421 --> 00:40:26,324
lines indicate suicide.
817
00:40:26,424 --> 00:40:28,794
They read, please
keep going, Courtney--
818
00:40:28,894 --> 00:40:31,096
for Frances, for
her life which will
819
00:40:31,196 --> 00:40:33,465
be so much happier without me.
820
00:40:33,565 --> 00:40:34,466
I love you.
821
00:40:34,566 --> 00:40:36,434
I love you.
822
00:40:36,535 --> 00:40:38,103
Curiously, these
lines are written
823
00:40:38,203 --> 00:40:42,574
in much larger characters
than the rest of the note.
824
00:40:42,674 --> 00:40:45,611
"Unsolved Mysteries" asked
handwriting expert Marcel
825
00:40:45,711 --> 00:40:48,814
Matley to compare a copy of
Cobain's alleged suicide note
826
00:40:48,914 --> 00:40:53,218
with copies of two pages of
lyrics handwritten by Cobain.
827
00:40:53,318 --> 00:40:56,655
Matley believes the bulk of
the note was written by Cobain,
828
00:40:56,755 --> 00:41:00,425
but finds the last four
lines questionable.
829
00:41:00,526 --> 00:41:03,228
As to the last
four lines, there
830
00:41:03,328 --> 00:41:05,964
are more than a dozen
differences that should give us
831
00:41:06,064 --> 00:41:09,200
pause and we would have
to reasonably explain
832
00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:12,804
these differences
before we can conclude
833
00:41:12,904 --> 00:41:14,840
that the same person
wrote the four lines that
834
00:41:14,940 --> 00:41:16,808
wrote the body of it.
835
00:41:16,908 --> 00:41:18,577
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Handwriting expert Reginald
836
00:41:18,677 --> 00:41:21,112
Alton of Oxford
University also compared
837
00:41:21,212 --> 00:41:25,083
copies of Cobain's handwriting
to a copy of the note.
838
00:41:25,183 --> 00:41:28,219
In a five-page written
report, Alton pointed out more
839
00:41:28,319 --> 00:41:30,255
than a dozen discrepancies.
840
00:41:30,355 --> 00:41:32,390
Alton believes the bulk
of the suicide note
841
00:41:32,490 --> 00:41:34,826
was written by
Cobain, but raises
842
00:41:34,926 --> 00:41:39,464
questions about the first
line and the last four lines.
843
00:41:39,565 --> 00:41:42,067
His report concludes,
quote, "There
844
00:41:42,167 --> 00:41:43,569
are many indications
that there may have
845
00:41:43,669 --> 00:41:46,271
been a second hand at work."
846
00:41:46,371 --> 00:41:49,274
Alton cautions, however, that
the copies are not good enough
847
00:41:49,374 --> 00:41:52,744
to make any firm pronouncement.
848
00:41:52,844 --> 00:41:56,147
We did take the
note from the scene
849
00:41:56,247 --> 00:42:01,319
and have it examined at the
Washington State Crime Lab
850
00:42:01,419 --> 00:42:04,055
and their handwriting
analyst has
851
00:42:04,155 --> 00:42:07,993
indicated that it is her
belief that this note
852
00:42:08,093 --> 00:42:12,363
was written by Mr. Cobain.
853
00:42:12,463 --> 00:42:14,399
TOM GRANT: Kurt Cobain had
made an important decision
854
00:42:14,499 --> 00:42:16,134
in his life.
855
00:42:16,234 --> 00:42:18,870
He wanted out of the
entertainment business.
856
00:42:18,970 --> 00:42:20,105
He didn't want to
tour anymore, he
857
00:42:20,205 --> 00:42:21,907
didn't want to perform anymore.
858
00:42:22,007 --> 00:42:23,108
He wanted to be left alone.
859
00:42:23,208 --> 00:42:28,780
He never liked that aspect
of being a performer.
860
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,216
This decision that he had
made was going to affect
861
00:42:31,316 --> 00:42:33,484
a lot of other people.
862
00:42:33,585 --> 00:42:37,522
He was no longer the money
machine that he once was.
863
00:42:37,623 --> 00:42:40,091
Now Cobain was worth more
dead than he was alive.
864
00:42:41,893 --> 00:42:43,094
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
But who would
865
00:42:43,194 --> 00:42:45,130
have wanted Kurt Cobain dead?
866
00:42:45,230 --> 00:42:48,066
Could it have been a mysterious
user of his credit card?
867
00:42:48,166 --> 00:42:50,836
To the same person add
critical lines to Cobain's
868
00:42:50,936 --> 00:42:52,904
alleged suicide note?
869
00:42:53,004 --> 00:42:56,074
For now, those questions
remain unanswered.
870
00:42:58,810 --> 00:43:00,879
Despite the controversy,
the Seattle Police
871
00:43:00,979 --> 00:43:02,914
are confident they made
the correct ruling.
872
00:43:03,014 --> 00:43:05,516
They consider the case closed.
873
00:43:05,617 --> 00:43:07,552
Tom Grant does not.
874
00:43:07,653 --> 00:43:09,587
He believes the investigation
should be reopened
875
00:43:09,688 --> 00:43:12,691
and the inconsistencies
resolved once and for all.
876
00:43:20,431 --> 00:43:24,202
On our next "Unsolved
Mysteries," in 1994,
877
00:43:24,302 --> 00:43:26,204
fragments of a
giant comet set off
878
00:43:26,304 --> 00:43:28,139
a series of
cataclysmic explosions
879
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:29,908
on the planet Jupiter.
880
00:43:30,008 --> 00:43:32,811
Is there more destruction
lurking in the night sky?
881
00:43:32,911 --> 00:43:36,047
Will Earth be the next target?
882
00:43:36,147 --> 00:43:39,317
Also, the crash of a
presidential helicopter
883
00:43:39,417 --> 00:43:42,020
in Maryland prompts speculation
that the craft was downed
884
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:43,955
by friendly fire
in the form of an
885
00:43:44,055 --> 00:43:47,926
experimental top secret weapon.
886
00:43:48,026 --> 00:43:50,696
Join me next time for
another intriguing edition
887
00:43:50,796 --> 00:43:54,966
of "Unsolved Mysteries."
888
00:43:55,066 --> 00:43:57,703
[theme music playing]
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