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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,050 --> 00:00:09,487 - The San Francisco police are asking for help tonight 2 00:00:09,531 --> 00:00:11,141 in their search for a man who placed 3 00:00:11,185 --> 00:00:15,058 a newspaper advertisement to sell his 1980 Honda. 4 00:00:15,102 --> 00:00:17,626 The car hasn't been seen since then, 5 00:00:17,669 --> 00:00:19,410 nor has the owner, Paul Cosner. 6 00:00:19,454 --> 00:00:21,325 - Paul Cosner disappeared seven months ago 7 00:00:21,369 --> 00:00:23,980 without a trace, a case that attracted nationwide attention 8 00:00:24,024 --> 00:00:25,329 because it was so baffling. 9 00:00:25,373 --> 00:00:26,983 - Paul's sister Sharon says the last time 10 00:00:27,027 --> 00:00:28,811 she spoke to her brother, he was going out 11 00:00:28,854 --> 00:00:30,073 to sell that car. 12 00:00:30,117 --> 00:00:31,466 - Now the first break in the case. 13 00:00:31,509 --> 00:00:33,772 San Francisco police say they found Cosner's car. 14 00:00:33,816 --> 00:00:35,818 - Tonight police are saying the man they found 15 00:00:35,861 --> 00:00:38,125 with Cosner's car is Leonard Lake. 16 00:00:38,168 --> 00:00:39,561 - Police encountered Lake at a South San Francisco 17 00:00:39,604 --> 00:00:42,085 lumber company after his companion, Charles Ng, 18 00:00:42,129 --> 00:00:43,826 allegedly tried to steal a vise. 19 00:00:43,869 --> 00:00:45,219 - Lake killed himself earlier this week 20 00:00:45,262 --> 00:00:47,743 by swallowing a cyanide pill while he was 21 00:00:47,786 --> 00:00:49,179 being questioned by police. 22 00:00:49,223 --> 00:00:51,094 But the evidence he left behind 23 00:00:51,138 --> 00:00:53,662 reveals a horrifying tale of murder 24 00:00:53,705 --> 00:00:55,011 and possibly torture. 25 00:00:55,055 --> 00:00:57,100 - It is probably the most gruesome, 26 00:00:57,144 --> 00:01:00,364 violent investigation in the history of our state. 27 00:01:00,408 --> 00:01:02,671 - Tonight police are searching for Charles Ng, 28 00:01:02,714 --> 00:01:04,151 who was a friend of Lake's. 29 00:01:04,194 --> 00:01:07,241 - Charles Ng, now the object of a nationwide manhunt, 30 00:01:07,284 --> 00:01:10,157 has vowed not to be taken alive. 31 00:01:44,582 --> 00:01:47,672 - As a documentary filmmaker, I discovered the story 32 00:01:47,716 --> 00:01:50,719 of a woman by the name of Sharon Sellitto, 33 00:01:50,762 --> 00:01:53,200 whose brother Paul Cosner went missing 34 00:01:53,243 --> 00:01:57,769 and was possibly murdered in 1984, 35 00:01:57,813 --> 00:01:59,902 after placing an ad for his car 36 00:01:59,945 --> 00:02:02,296 in the "San Francisco Chronicle." 37 00:02:02,339 --> 00:02:05,255 Sharon had no idea she was going 38 00:02:05,299 --> 00:02:08,911 to spend the rest of her life trying to find him. 39 00:02:56,306 --> 00:02:58,787 - It's unbelievable that somebody lost 40 00:02:58,830 --> 00:03:01,442 their life because of this. 41 00:03:01,485 --> 00:03:05,663 I know that's where Paul took his last breaths. 42 00:03:08,318 --> 00:03:13,236 I can't imagine the terror he felt. 43 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,151 Paul was my life. 44 00:03:15,195 --> 00:03:19,155 And he stopped breathing, and Charles Ng is. 45 00:03:19,199 --> 00:03:22,811 You, Charles Ng, you deserve to die. 46 00:03:37,347 --> 00:03:39,262 - At this point in the investigation, 47 00:03:39,306 --> 00:03:43,614 Charles Ng was a suspect in at least nine murders. 48 00:03:43,658 --> 00:03:46,878 But we didn't know at that point where he was. 49 00:03:48,184 --> 00:03:50,621 Later, Lake's ex-wife, Claralyn Balazs, 50 00:03:50,665 --> 00:03:53,668 told us that she believed Charles Ng was 51 00:03:53,711 --> 00:03:57,367 going to Chicago, and then later into Canada. 52 00:03:57,411 --> 00:04:00,327 We were concerned that if Charles were able 53 00:04:00,370 --> 00:04:01,806 to get outof the country, it would certainly 54 00:04:01,850 --> 00:04:06,289 be much more difficult to find him and extradite him. 55 00:04:06,333 --> 00:04:08,683 - It was an all-out manhunt for Charles Ng. 56 00:04:08,726 --> 00:04:13,035 He was immediately placed on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted list. 57 00:04:13,078 --> 00:04:16,081 - This was a very well-publicized hunt 58 00:04:16,125 --> 00:04:17,779 for Charles Ng. 59 00:04:17,822 --> 00:04:19,433 - Charles Ng is being hunted all over the country tonight. 60 00:04:19,476 --> 00:04:21,304 - Ng is a former marine who was 61 00:04:21,348 --> 00:04:23,306 dishonorably discharged for stealing weapons 62 00:04:23,350 --> 00:04:25,700 from a Marine Corps armory in Hawaii. 63 00:04:25,743 --> 00:04:29,094 Men who served with him say Ng, a martial arts expert, 64 00:04:29,138 --> 00:04:32,446 was a strange man who often talked of killing people. 65 00:04:32,489 --> 00:04:34,709 - He was a little off-center at times. 66 00:04:34,752 --> 00:04:38,539 Um, his main interest was just how to dispose of people. 67 00:04:38,582 --> 00:04:40,323 - It's not every day that you pick up the paper 68 00:04:40,367 --> 00:04:42,064 and find out that one of your neighbors 69 00:04:42,107 --> 00:04:45,023 is probably the most wanted man in the United States right now. 70 00:04:45,067 --> 00:04:47,243 - The investigation is now focusing 71 00:04:47,287 --> 00:04:49,071 on Charles Ng, who is still at large. 72 00:04:49,114 --> 00:04:50,551 - Officials consider him dangerous. 73 00:04:50,594 --> 00:04:53,554 He has a military background in weapons and explosives, 74 00:04:53,597 --> 00:04:57,471 and police say he's vowed that he won't be taken alive. 75 00:04:58,298 --> 00:05:00,561 - And after days of searching for Charles Ng, 76 00:05:00,604 --> 00:05:02,432 authorities finally got their first lead. 77 00:05:02,476 --> 00:05:06,088 A man fitting Ng's description had reportedly been spotted 78 00:05:06,131 --> 00:05:08,351 at San Francisco Airport. 79 00:05:08,395 --> 00:05:10,353 - Police learned that on June 2, 80 00:05:10,397 --> 00:05:12,834 Ng had hopped a flight to Chicago. 81 00:05:17,142 --> 00:05:19,406 - We had found out through the FBI 82 00:05:19,449 --> 00:05:22,234 that he stayed for about a week or so 83 00:05:22,278 --> 00:05:23,932 in the Chicago area, 84 00:05:23,975 --> 00:05:29,459 with people that he had met and known from prison. 85 00:05:29,503 --> 00:05:32,941 They helped him leave the Chicago area 86 00:05:32,984 --> 00:05:35,509 and go into Canada. 87 00:05:35,552 --> 00:05:38,468 Once he got there, not quite sure where he went. 88 00:05:38,512 --> 00:05:41,645 - Charles Ng proved to be an elusive fugitive, 89 00:05:41,689 --> 00:05:45,127 always remaining one step ahead of authorities. 90 00:05:45,170 --> 00:05:48,957 Then there was a huge break in the case. 91 00:05:52,177 --> 00:05:55,093 - Finally, after 34 days on the run, 92 00:05:55,137 --> 00:05:57,400 Charles Ng is spotted in Canada. 93 00:05:58,706 --> 00:06:00,621 - Charles Ng goes to a department store 94 00:06:00,664 --> 00:06:03,885 in Calgary, Alberta, where he shoplifts 95 00:06:03,928 --> 00:06:06,583 a can of smoked salmon. 96 00:06:06,627 --> 00:06:09,238 And he's observed by two security guards 97 00:06:09,281 --> 00:06:11,371 leaving the store with the smoked salmon. 98 00:06:13,024 --> 00:06:14,896 They catch Ng. 99 00:06:14,939 --> 00:06:16,767 A struggle ensues. 100 00:06:16,811 --> 00:06:18,987 - I lunged into him with my shoulder, 101 00:06:19,030 --> 00:06:20,684 and I tripped him up with my foot, 102 00:06:20,728 --> 00:06:23,165 and we all fell to the floor. 103 00:06:23,208 --> 00:06:25,341 He was pulling the gun out by that time. 104 00:06:25,385 --> 00:06:27,474 And so I grabbed ahold of the gun. 105 00:06:27,517 --> 00:06:30,912 And he shot off one shot. 106 00:06:32,609 --> 00:06:35,177 - He pulls a gun and shoots the security officer 107 00:06:35,220 --> 00:06:36,961 in the hand. 108 00:06:37,005 --> 00:06:40,443 A couple of Calgary police officers were outside. 109 00:06:40,487 --> 00:06:42,793 They heard the shot and the commotion going on. 110 00:06:42,837 --> 00:06:47,189 They come in and help wrestle Ng to the ground, 111 00:06:47,232 --> 00:06:48,843 and arrest him. 112 00:06:50,497 --> 00:06:53,195 When I found out that they had him in custody 113 00:06:53,238 --> 00:06:55,153 in Calgary, Canada, 114 00:06:55,197 --> 00:06:59,680 I immediately told the FBI, we need to book a flight. 115 00:06:59,723 --> 00:07:03,205 - Ng is the last hope police have in finding out 116 00:07:03,248 --> 00:07:04,946 what went on at the Lake property. 117 00:07:04,989 --> 00:07:07,252 - Although he has not yet been charged with murder, 118 00:07:07,296 --> 00:07:08,863 a Canadian attorney has advised him 119 00:07:08,906 --> 00:07:11,518 not to answer any questions about the videotapes that 120 00:07:11,561 --> 00:07:14,216 reportedly show him and Leonard Lake threatening women, 121 00:07:14,259 --> 00:07:15,696 or the sex torture chamber 122 00:07:15,739 --> 00:07:17,872 at Lake's remote hideaway in Wilseyville. 123 00:07:23,530 --> 00:07:26,489 - I was home when I got the call 124 00:07:26,533 --> 00:07:29,492 from the San Francisco Police Department. 125 00:07:29,536 --> 00:07:31,799 They said, sit down, Sharon. 126 00:07:31,842 --> 00:07:34,149 You're not going to believe it. 127 00:07:34,192 --> 00:07:37,021 They've caught him in Canada. 128 00:07:37,065 --> 00:07:39,023 And I was like, what? 129 00:07:39,067 --> 00:07:41,069 What? How? 130 00:07:41,112 --> 00:07:44,464 I was so happy, because I thought that it 131 00:07:44,507 --> 00:07:46,422 was the beginning of the end. 132 00:07:46,466 --> 00:07:52,559 If nothing else, we wanted my brother's body back so badly. 133 00:07:53,647 --> 00:07:57,477 I thought I was going to be able to bring Paul home. 134 00:07:58,565 --> 00:08:00,480 - With Charles Ng now in custody, 135 00:08:00,523 --> 00:08:02,438 investigators were hopeful that they would 136 00:08:02,482 --> 00:08:04,179 finally get some answers. 137 00:08:04,222 --> 00:08:06,834 Their goal was to get Ng back into the United States 138 00:08:06,877 --> 00:08:08,575 so that they could get justice. 139 00:08:08,618 --> 00:08:11,012 Not only for Paul Cosner, but for the rest 140 00:08:11,055 --> 00:08:13,014 of the victims and their families. 141 00:08:21,065 --> 00:08:22,458 - Charles Ng was arrested 142 00:08:22,502 --> 00:08:24,460 at a Calgary department store yesterday, 143 00:08:24,504 --> 00:08:26,201 when he shot a security guard in the hand. 144 00:08:26,244 --> 00:08:29,030 The guard had stopped him on suspicion of shoplifting. 145 00:08:30,335 --> 00:08:32,337 FBI agents and investigators 146 00:08:32,381 --> 00:08:33,948 from the San Francisco Police Department 147 00:08:33,991 --> 00:08:35,645 and the Calaveras County Sheriff's Office 148 00:08:35,689 --> 00:08:37,647 arrived in Calgary today. 149 00:08:37,691 --> 00:08:39,214 - When we arrived in Canada, 150 00:08:39,257 --> 00:08:42,347 we were met by a large entourage of press 151 00:08:42,391 --> 00:08:44,480 filming us as we were going through the airport. 152 00:08:44,524 --> 00:08:46,134 - Their first order of business, 153 00:08:46,177 --> 00:08:49,311 to interview Charles Ng. 154 00:08:49,354 --> 00:08:51,487 - We definitely wanted to find out 155 00:08:51,531 --> 00:08:53,184 who some of these other people were, 156 00:08:53,228 --> 00:08:54,316 some of the other victims, 157 00:08:54,359 --> 00:08:55,883 who were some of the other bodies that 158 00:08:55,926 --> 00:08:57,319 were buried on the property. 159 00:08:57,362 --> 00:09:00,670 So we had a lot of questions for Charles Ng. 160 00:09:00,714 --> 00:09:03,455 - What investigators did know was that Charles Ng 161 00:09:03,499 --> 00:09:05,501 came from a wealthy family in Hong Kong, 162 00:09:05,545 --> 00:09:10,071 and was expelled from several schools for petty theft. 163 00:09:10,114 --> 00:09:12,682 - He finally gets transferred out by his parents 164 00:09:12,726 --> 00:09:15,250 to his aunt in San Francisco. 165 00:09:15,293 --> 00:09:17,295 His thing is not to be in school. 166 00:09:17,339 --> 00:09:20,342 So he volunteered for the Marines. 167 00:09:20,385 --> 00:09:22,387 - But his compulsion for thievery 168 00:09:22,431 --> 00:09:25,086 eventually got him kicked out of the military 169 00:09:25,129 --> 00:09:26,653 and sent to prison. 170 00:09:26,696 --> 00:09:30,831 After his release, Charles Ng became an unstable drifter, 171 00:09:30,874 --> 00:09:32,615 eventually meeting Leonard Lake 172 00:09:32,659 --> 00:09:36,010 and descending further into darkness. 173 00:09:36,053 --> 00:09:38,360 - When Ng was arrested up in Canada, 174 00:09:38,403 --> 00:09:42,407 we were hoping to get him to talk. 175 00:09:42,451 --> 00:09:44,322 And we just tried to engage him 176 00:09:44,366 --> 00:09:47,021 in a little bit of conversation. 177 00:09:47,064 --> 00:09:51,068 He would not even respond to simple inquiries. 178 00:09:51,112 --> 00:09:53,810 He absolutely shut down. 179 00:09:54,681 --> 00:09:57,858 - During this time when Charles Ng was in custody, 180 00:09:57,901 --> 00:10:00,687 we were hoping for a quick extradition 181 00:10:00,730 --> 00:10:03,124 back to the United States. 182 00:10:03,167 --> 00:10:04,691 That didn't happen. 183 00:10:04,734 --> 00:10:07,955 - Charles Ng had just been arrested in Calgary 184 00:10:07,998 --> 00:10:09,391 for shoplifting 185 00:10:09,434 --> 00:10:11,306 and shooting a security guard in the hand. 186 00:10:11,349 --> 00:10:13,047 So he was likely going to need to serve time 187 00:10:13,090 --> 00:10:14,396 up there in Canada 188 00:10:14,439 --> 00:10:17,312 before they could even talk extradition. 189 00:10:17,355 --> 00:10:20,663 - As for when Ng might be returned to the United States, 190 00:10:20,707 --> 00:10:23,057 that is anybody's guess. 191 00:10:23,100 --> 00:10:25,973 - When we found out that he was going 192 00:10:26,016 --> 00:10:27,714 to be tried in Canada 193 00:10:27,757 --> 00:10:31,674 for shooting the store guard in the hand, 194 00:10:31,718 --> 00:10:34,503 I was disappointed 'cause I thought that, 195 00:10:34,546 --> 00:10:38,289 compared to mass serial killing, 196 00:10:38,333 --> 00:10:41,728 that they should have just put that aside. 197 00:10:41,771 --> 00:10:43,686 But I was afraid they were going 198 00:10:43,730 --> 00:10:45,470 to send them back to China, 199 00:10:45,514 --> 00:10:47,690 and we'd never get any justice. 200 00:10:53,130 --> 00:10:55,480 - Meanwhile, back in Wilseyville, 201 00:10:55,524 --> 00:10:58,135 the investigation at Claralyn Balazs' cabin 202 00:10:58,179 --> 00:11:00,703 had already turned up at least three bodies, 203 00:11:00,747 --> 00:11:02,400 and burn piles containing the remains 204 00:11:02,444 --> 00:11:05,708 of an unknown number of additional victims. 205 00:11:05,752 --> 00:11:08,493 - It just keeps compiling and compiling. 206 00:11:08,537 --> 00:11:13,455 This has become a massive, monstrous investigation. 207 00:11:13,498 --> 00:11:16,458 - Investigators have filled over 50 bags 208 00:11:16,501 --> 00:11:18,460 with evidence and bone fragments. 209 00:11:18,503 --> 00:11:20,114 We can tell you that today they brought out 210 00:11:20,157 --> 00:11:22,812 more bags of human remains, more bags of evidence, 211 00:11:22,856 --> 00:11:24,640 to add to the 50 or so bags 212 00:11:24,684 --> 00:11:26,250 that have already been brought out. 213 00:11:26,294 --> 00:11:28,557 - All we had time to do was just to dig up the bones, 214 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,734 put them in bags, and ship them to the coroner 215 00:11:31,778 --> 00:11:33,780 of San Francisco County. 216 00:11:33,823 --> 00:11:35,999 With the amount of bones that we had recovered 217 00:11:36,043 --> 00:11:37,218 from the property, 218 00:11:37,261 --> 00:11:39,873 there could be between 23 and 32 people. 219 00:11:41,744 --> 00:11:44,616 - Despite the overwhelming amount of human remains, 220 00:11:44,660 --> 00:11:46,967 the medical examiner just couldn't determine 221 00:11:47,010 --> 00:11:49,970 who any of these victims might have been. 222 00:11:50,013 --> 00:11:53,669 At the time, DNA testing just simply wasn't 223 00:11:53,713 --> 00:11:56,541 advanced enough to be of any benefit. 224 00:11:56,585 --> 00:12:01,546 - I would like to know which pile of incinerated bones 225 00:12:01,590 --> 00:12:05,681 is my brother, so I can take what there is back to Ohio. 226 00:12:05,725 --> 00:12:08,118 - While Sharon Sellitto and the other victims' families 227 00:12:08,162 --> 00:12:11,252 waited patiently for answers, back in Canada, 228 00:12:11,295 --> 00:12:14,168 authorities pressed ahead with their own case 229 00:12:14,211 --> 00:12:15,691 against Charles Ng. 230 00:12:15,735 --> 00:12:17,562 - Charles Ng will be in court tomorrow, 231 00:12:17,606 --> 00:12:19,347 where the charges will be read against him. 232 00:12:19,390 --> 00:12:21,088 He is charged with attempted murder 233 00:12:21,131 --> 00:12:23,046 and possession of an illegal weapon. 234 00:12:27,050 --> 00:12:30,010 - Charles is convicted of shooting the security guard, 235 00:12:30,053 --> 00:12:32,186 and ends up sentenced to 4 1/2 years 236 00:12:32,229 --> 00:12:34,405 in prison in Canada. 237 00:12:35,232 --> 00:12:37,713 For the U.S. investigators and the U.S. families, 238 00:12:37,757 --> 00:12:39,193 it was a tough time. 239 00:12:39,236 --> 00:12:41,761 He had 4 1/2 years' sentence in prison 240 00:12:41,804 --> 00:12:43,719 before they could even consider 241 00:12:43,763 --> 00:12:46,243 sending him back to the United States. 242 00:12:47,070 --> 00:12:49,594 - But the reality is, one of the major benefits 243 00:12:49,638 --> 00:12:52,554 of the delay was that during that four-year period 244 00:12:52,597 --> 00:12:55,165 of incarceration that he was in Canada, 245 00:12:55,209 --> 00:12:57,254 it gave us an opportunity to start 246 00:12:57,298 --> 00:12:59,561 getting the case together. 247 00:12:59,604 --> 00:13:04,305 Looking into the motives behind the murders, 248 00:13:04,348 --> 00:13:07,569 the financial motives, the sexual motives, 249 00:13:07,612 --> 00:13:09,745 plus the material goods that they had with them. 250 00:13:09,789 --> 00:13:11,268 Very complex. 251 00:13:11,312 --> 00:13:13,401 A lot of different moving parts that had to be examined. 252 00:13:15,272 --> 00:13:17,579 - One of the greatest lingering mysteries revolved 253 00:13:17,622 --> 00:13:19,711 around the photographs of 21 women 254 00:13:19,755 --> 00:13:23,019 found inside the bunker on the property in Wilseyville. 255 00:13:24,455 --> 00:13:25,761 - We certainly questioned whether or not 256 00:13:25,805 --> 00:13:29,156 any of those women were possibly murdered 257 00:13:29,199 --> 00:13:31,680 by Leonard Lake and Charles Ng. 258 00:13:31,723 --> 00:13:34,639 - For authorities, it did provide an opportunity 259 00:13:34,683 --> 00:13:38,426 to question Leonard Lake's ex-wife, Claralyn Balazs, 260 00:13:38,469 --> 00:13:40,863 about these mysterious women. 261 00:13:40,907 --> 00:13:44,780 - And Claralyn admitted to us that Leonard Lake was 262 00:13:44,824 --> 00:13:47,914 into photography, and that Leonard liked to take 263 00:13:47,957 --> 00:13:50,568 pictures of these young girls. 264 00:13:50,612 --> 00:13:52,048 She said, I just thought he was living 265 00:13:52,092 --> 00:13:54,485 this very active fantasy life. 266 00:13:54,529 --> 00:13:57,924 She played along with it, not really believing 267 00:13:57,967 --> 00:14:00,448 that he was intending to commit 268 00:14:00,491 --> 00:14:02,667 all these crimes and abduct women. 269 00:14:02,711 --> 00:14:04,756 - After we interviewed Claralyn Balazs, 270 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,803 she hired an attorney from Los Angeles. 271 00:14:07,847 --> 00:14:12,112 And that was the end of any more interviews with Claralyn. 272 00:14:12,764 --> 00:14:14,854 - I have cooperated with the police 273 00:14:14,897 --> 00:14:16,812 to the best of my ability. 274 00:14:16,856 --> 00:14:19,902 I wish to express my concern for the people affected 275 00:14:19,946 --> 00:14:21,991 by this investigation. 276 00:14:22,035 --> 00:14:24,907 On the advice of my attorneys, 277 00:14:24,951 --> 00:14:28,432 I will make no further statements at this time. 278 00:14:29,694 --> 00:14:31,783 - Despite the fact that Claralyn's property was 279 00:14:31,827 --> 00:14:34,308 clearly a crime scene, police could not prove 280 00:14:34,351 --> 00:14:36,310 that she had any involvement in the horrors 281 00:14:36,353 --> 00:14:37,702 that occurred there. 282 00:14:37,746 --> 00:14:40,531 So no charges were ever filed, 283 00:14:40,575 --> 00:14:43,360 and she simply walked away. 284 00:14:44,318 --> 00:14:46,276 - At that point in time, we needed 285 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:47,974 to find out who these ladies were. 286 00:14:48,017 --> 00:14:50,846 We ended up deciding the best way to do this 287 00:14:50,890 --> 00:14:52,500 is to go to the press 288 00:14:52,543 --> 00:14:57,113 and show the photos of all the ladies through the media. 289 00:14:57,157 --> 00:15:01,335 We ended up identifying every one of those ladies, 290 00:15:01,378 --> 00:15:04,294 and I'm glad to say that all of them were safe. 291 00:15:04,338 --> 00:15:06,993 But they all had stories, because they had been 292 00:15:07,036 --> 00:15:09,343 photographed by Leonard Lake. 293 00:15:09,386 --> 00:15:11,693 - He just had me modeling guns, 294 00:15:11,736 --> 00:15:13,869 a lot of machine guns and wartime guns. 295 00:15:13,913 --> 00:15:16,089 And there was modeling without the guns. 296 00:15:16,132 --> 00:15:17,438 - Mm-hmm. 297 00:15:17,481 --> 00:15:18,874 - That's about it. 298 00:15:18,918 --> 00:15:21,137 He just was interested in taking pictures. 299 00:15:21,181 --> 00:15:22,573 - Finally, we had some good news 300 00:15:22,617 --> 00:15:24,358 coming out of Wilseyville. 301 00:15:27,013 --> 00:15:29,580 But back in Canada, 302 00:15:29,624 --> 00:15:32,235 Ng continued to maintain his silence. 303 00:15:32,279 --> 00:15:34,368 - At this point, Ng had not confessed 304 00:15:34,411 --> 00:15:37,371 to participating in any of the atrocities that 305 00:15:37,414 --> 00:15:39,373 had occurred in Wilseyville. 306 00:15:39,416 --> 00:15:43,420 And then someone comes forward with information 307 00:15:43,464 --> 00:15:45,857 that blows the case wide open. 308 00:15:55,041 --> 00:15:56,956 - Charles Ng was in prison in Canada, 309 00:15:56,999 --> 00:15:58,348 serving his sentence up there. 310 00:15:58,392 --> 00:16:01,482 Another prisoner is put in a cell beside him. 311 00:16:01,525 --> 00:16:04,746 That prisoner is Maurice Laberge. 312 00:16:04,789 --> 00:16:08,837 Maurice is a career criminal from Saskatchewan. 313 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,797 He ends up befriending Charles in the cell next to him. 314 00:16:12,841 --> 00:16:15,017 As Charles got more comfortable with him, 315 00:16:15,061 --> 00:16:17,628 Charles is now bragging about his killings 316 00:16:17,672 --> 00:16:21,589 by sending pieces of paper with sketches and drawings 317 00:16:21,632 --> 00:16:23,808 into the other cell. 318 00:16:25,071 --> 00:16:28,639 - I have here some of the sketches that 319 00:16:28,683 --> 00:16:32,513 Charles Ng had drawn for Maurice Laberge. 320 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,647 The majority of Ng's sketches had titles, 321 00:16:36,691 --> 00:16:40,695 and I have one here which is called, 322 00:16:40,738 --> 00:16:44,046 "Calaveras County Remains Claiming Section." 323 00:16:45,091 --> 00:16:47,528 The coroner, Boyd Stevens, is giving back 324 00:16:47,571 --> 00:16:50,009 remains to family members. 325 00:16:50,052 --> 00:16:52,881 Deborah Dubs' father is collecting the Dubs remains. 326 00:16:52,924 --> 00:16:54,883 And a family member is walking out 327 00:16:54,926 --> 00:16:58,713 with a bag that has the name Allen written on it, 328 00:16:58,756 --> 00:17:00,715 assuming this is Kathleen Allen 329 00:17:00,758 --> 00:17:02,673 from the "M-Ladies" tapes. 330 00:17:02,717 --> 00:17:05,807 On the table is a bag of human remains 331 00:17:05,850 --> 00:17:09,376 belonging to Lake's next-door neighbors, 332 00:17:09,419 --> 00:17:11,465 the Bond family-- 333 00:17:11,508 --> 00:17:14,076 Lonnie Bond, Brenda O'Connor, 334 00:17:14,120 --> 00:17:17,471 and their infant son, Lonnie Bond Jr., 335 00:17:17,514 --> 00:17:20,648 who were all murdered. 336 00:17:20,691 --> 00:17:23,172 Here's another sketch which Ng has titled, 337 00:17:23,216 --> 00:17:26,262 "San Quentin, Years Later," 338 00:17:26,306 --> 00:17:29,831 in which he depicts himself on a bed in a jail cell 339 00:17:29,874 --> 00:17:32,181 in San Quentin Prison. 340 00:17:32,225 --> 00:17:37,099 To his left, scribblings of his catchphrases, 341 00:17:37,143 --> 00:17:41,886 "No gun, no fun," and "No kill, no thrill." 342 00:17:41,930 --> 00:17:45,803 And to his right is almost a trophy wall 343 00:17:45,847 --> 00:17:49,851 where he is depicting all of his victims. 344 00:17:49,894 --> 00:17:55,335 And on that wall is Paul Cosner. 345 00:17:57,815 --> 00:17:59,991 Maurice Laberge had recognized Ng's confessions 346 00:18:00,035 --> 00:18:02,777 as his ticket to an early parole. 347 00:18:02,820 --> 00:18:04,822 Through his attorney, he had struck a deal 348 00:18:04,866 --> 00:18:07,216 with investigators to become an informant. 349 00:18:07,260 --> 00:18:09,262 Over the course of the next year and a half, 350 00:18:09,305 --> 00:18:12,439 Maurice had encouraged Charles Ng to divulge 351 00:18:12,482 --> 00:18:15,006 more information about his crimes. 352 00:18:15,050 --> 00:18:19,446 - Every time Charles would talk to Maurice, 353 00:18:19,489 --> 00:18:21,752 Maurice would make notes. 354 00:18:21,796 --> 00:18:25,060 "I killed Kathleen Allen. 355 00:18:25,104 --> 00:18:29,412 A round in the head of the no-good whore." 356 00:18:30,848 --> 00:18:33,808 Scott Stapley, which was the name that 357 00:18:33,851 --> 00:18:36,637 Leonard Lake used when he was being arrested. 358 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,160 "We picked him up in town, 359 00:18:38,204 --> 00:18:40,771 "and he wanted to get out right away. 360 00:18:40,815 --> 00:18:42,033 "He must have figured it out. 361 00:18:42,077 --> 00:18:44,297 "I put the gun in his mouth. 362 00:18:44,340 --> 00:18:47,561 "I know there were witnesses when we grabbed Bond. 363 00:18:47,604 --> 00:18:49,954 "We thought Lonnie Bond had money stashed. 364 00:18:49,998 --> 00:18:51,173 "So we handcuffed him. 365 00:18:51,217 --> 00:18:54,220 "We killed Bond pretty quickly. 366 00:18:54,263 --> 00:18:55,830 "We got some serious good 367 00:18:55,873 --> 00:18:58,485 "big-time video equipment from the Dubs. 368 00:18:58,528 --> 00:19:00,791 "Lake tied Harvey up in the corner, 369 00:19:00,835 --> 00:19:02,445 "then I grabbed Deborah's leg 370 00:19:02,489 --> 00:19:05,056 "and jammed her while he watched. 371 00:19:05,100 --> 00:19:07,450 "After the kill, we kept what was good 372 00:19:07,494 --> 00:19:10,061 and buried their ID." 373 00:19:10,105 --> 00:19:12,194 - I think that one of the things that impacted me 374 00:19:12,238 --> 00:19:15,893 the most was to read the things that Ng had 375 00:19:15,937 --> 00:19:20,071 divulged to Maurice Laberge about Paul Cosner. 376 00:19:21,421 --> 00:19:24,337 - When Ng was in prison in Canada with Laberge, 377 00:19:24,380 --> 00:19:27,340 he made a number of statements about Paul Cosner. 378 00:19:27,383 --> 00:19:30,212 Ng told him, quote, "Leonard found this guy who 379 00:19:30,256 --> 00:19:34,564 "looked like him, this Paul Cosner, 380 00:19:34,608 --> 00:19:37,611 and he wanted his car and his ID." 381 00:19:40,309 --> 00:19:44,574 "It was a hard operation, because Cosner 382 00:19:44,618 --> 00:19:47,403 wouldn't cooperate with us." 383 00:19:50,580 --> 00:19:52,408 "I shot him in the head." 384 00:19:57,283 --> 00:19:59,415 - This is Ng saying that while he was 385 00:19:59,459 --> 00:20:00,982 sitting in the back of the car, 386 00:20:01,025 --> 00:20:03,550 he shot Paul Cosner in the head. 387 00:20:03,593 --> 00:20:05,943 This is almost as good as a confession 388 00:20:05,987 --> 00:20:08,903 that Paul Cosner, first of all, was shot and killed, 389 00:20:08,946 --> 00:20:11,601 and secondly, that it was Charles Ng 390 00:20:11,645 --> 00:20:13,647 who actually did the killing. 391 00:20:18,391 --> 00:20:21,089 - Authorities in the U.S. now had what they thought 392 00:20:21,132 --> 00:20:24,005 was solid enough evidence to not only prosecute 393 00:20:24,048 --> 00:20:26,137 Charles Ng for the murder of Paul Cosner, 394 00:20:26,181 --> 00:20:28,705 but for many of the other victims. 395 00:20:29,445 --> 00:20:33,275 Their next battle was getting him back to California. 396 00:20:33,319 --> 00:20:35,886 - The snag developed when California 397 00:20:35,930 --> 00:20:37,845 asked to have Ng sent back. 398 00:20:37,888 --> 00:20:40,456 The Canadians said no. 399 00:20:41,805 --> 00:20:43,894 - In terms of the extradition, 400 00:20:43,938 --> 00:20:45,592 Canada had a provision in the law 401 00:20:45,635 --> 00:20:48,247 that they may refuse extradition 402 00:20:48,290 --> 00:20:51,902 if the country the person is to be extradited to 403 00:20:51,946 --> 00:20:53,382 has the death penalty. 404 00:20:53,426 --> 00:20:56,472 So they were initially wanting assurances 405 00:20:56,516 --> 00:20:57,908 from the U.S. authorities 406 00:20:57,952 --> 00:21:00,868 that the death penalty would not be charged. 407 00:21:00,911 --> 00:21:02,652 And the authorities here declined 408 00:21:02,696 --> 00:21:04,654 to give them that assurance. 409 00:21:06,743 --> 00:21:08,310 - Ng's extradition became 410 00:21:08,354 --> 00:21:10,443 a major civil rights issue in Canada. 411 00:21:10,486 --> 00:21:13,489 This was going to be the first time in Canadian history 412 00:21:13,533 --> 00:21:15,317 where someone facing extradition 413 00:21:15,361 --> 00:21:19,190 back to their country would face the death penalty. 414 00:21:34,118 --> 00:21:35,642 - It was beyond belief. 415 00:21:35,685 --> 00:21:39,646 We went through all the levels of government of Canada. 416 00:21:39,689 --> 00:21:41,909 We were begging them 417 00:21:41,952 --> 00:21:43,737 to send Charles Ng back, 418 00:21:43,780 --> 00:21:46,870 to change the law, to make him be held 419 00:21:46,914 --> 00:21:49,351 accountable for his actions. 420 00:21:49,395 --> 00:21:51,222 The wait has been interminable. 421 00:21:51,266 --> 00:21:53,312 I think he deserves the death penalty, 422 00:21:53,355 --> 00:21:56,706 if anybody in the lifetime of crime 423 00:21:56,750 --> 00:21:58,273 deserved the death penalty. 424 00:21:58,317 --> 00:22:01,276 - The first time I ever met Sharon Sellitto 425 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,323 was in Canada, when we were doing 426 00:22:04,366 --> 00:22:07,151 our petitions and everything. 427 00:22:07,195 --> 00:22:08,501 - Today in San Francisco-- 428 00:22:08,544 --> 00:22:11,373 - Every time she'd come on TV, my dad goes, 429 00:22:11,417 --> 00:22:13,070 there's our little firecracker! 430 00:22:13,114 --> 00:22:15,508 - Nothing has gone our way. 431 00:22:15,551 --> 00:22:17,031 It was like we were-- 432 00:22:17,074 --> 00:22:20,687 we were battling the Canadian government all this time. 433 00:22:20,730 --> 00:22:24,299 And I knew we were on the side of right and good. 434 00:22:24,343 --> 00:22:27,171 - She didn't realize how much she was helping everybody. 435 00:22:27,215 --> 00:22:30,087 She was the only one that was asking the same questions 436 00:22:30,131 --> 00:22:31,741 that we wanted to know. 437 00:22:36,398 --> 00:22:39,358 - By the summer of 1990, Charles Ng had served 438 00:22:39,401 --> 00:22:41,795 his 4 1/2 year sentence in Canada. 439 00:22:41,838 --> 00:22:43,797 And he was transferred to another prison, 440 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,755 while his extradition case moved through 441 00:22:45,799 --> 00:22:47,496 the Canadian court system. 442 00:22:49,063 --> 00:22:51,021 - The case ends up going all the way 443 00:22:51,065 --> 00:22:53,328 to the Canadian Supreme Court. 444 00:22:53,372 --> 00:22:56,331 Those nine justices were going to have to decide 445 00:22:56,375 --> 00:22:59,465 if Canada would be willing to extradite somebody 446 00:22:59,508 --> 00:23:00,814 for the death penalty. 447 00:23:00,857 --> 00:23:02,381 It was a huge deal. 448 00:23:05,035 --> 00:23:06,210 - Good evening. 449 00:23:06,254 --> 00:23:07,516 Topping our news tonight, the ruling that 450 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,649 could bring a mass murder suspect to trial. 451 00:23:09,692 --> 00:23:12,826 A Canadian judge ruled today that Charles Ng can 452 00:23:12,869 --> 00:23:14,610 be extradited to California. 453 00:23:14,654 --> 00:23:16,046 The Canadian Supreme Court, 454 00:23:16,090 --> 00:23:18,788 in a close four to three decision, said today-- 455 00:23:18,832 --> 00:23:20,399 said that Ng could be extradited, 456 00:23:20,442 --> 00:23:23,184 regardless of what penalty faced him here in California. 457 00:23:23,227 --> 00:23:25,012 - Family members of the victims said they were 458 00:23:25,055 --> 00:23:26,709 relieved to hear the ruling. 459 00:23:26,753 --> 00:23:29,930 - We were starting to feel that it was never going to happen. 460 00:23:29,973 --> 00:23:31,497 My mother was worried that she wouldn't 461 00:23:31,540 --> 00:23:36,153 even live long enough to see him return to California. 462 00:23:37,067 --> 00:23:39,113 - As soon as the ruling was made, 463 00:23:39,156 --> 00:23:41,898 Charles Ng was taken out of his cell 464 00:23:41,942 --> 00:23:46,599 and loaded up into a van that brought him to the airport. 465 00:23:52,039 --> 00:23:54,607 - When the plane took off from Canada 466 00:23:54,650 --> 00:23:56,478 with Charles Ng on board, 467 00:23:56,522 --> 00:23:59,394 the officers called me when they were going 468 00:23:59,438 --> 00:24:02,876 over the border from Canada to the United States 469 00:24:02,919 --> 00:24:04,225 to tell me, Sharon, 470 00:24:04,268 --> 00:24:06,793 Charles Ng's on his way to justice. 471 00:24:06,836 --> 00:24:10,840 And it was the first time 472 00:24:10,884 --> 00:24:14,104 I felt happy 473 00:24:14,148 --> 00:24:19,588 and smiled and laughed in... 474 00:24:19,632 --> 00:24:21,895 seven years, 475 00:24:21,938 --> 00:24:25,942 and it was the best news ever. 476 00:24:29,163 --> 00:24:31,644 - We touched down in Sacramento. 477 00:24:31,687 --> 00:24:35,125 The Department of Corrections van was there to greet us. 478 00:24:35,169 --> 00:24:37,476 As they brought him out of the airplane in shackles 479 00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:41,175 and turned him over to the Department of Corrections, 480 00:24:41,218 --> 00:24:43,699 there was a lot of smiles, a lot of handshakes, 481 00:24:43,743 --> 00:24:45,266 a lot of hugs going on. 482 00:24:45,309 --> 00:24:47,486 - Sitting behind bars in Folsom Prison 483 00:24:47,529 --> 00:24:49,357 is Charles Ng, the man accused 484 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,491 in the sex torture slayings six years ago. 485 00:24:55,232 --> 00:24:58,627 - I thought we were on the first step to justice. 486 00:25:00,150 --> 00:25:02,370 They were finally going to have a hearing. 487 00:25:02,413 --> 00:25:04,459 And so Mother came from Ohio, 488 00:25:04,503 --> 00:25:07,636 and we drove up to make sure we were there. 489 00:25:09,464 --> 00:25:12,032 When we got there, they had sharpshooters 490 00:25:12,075 --> 00:25:14,295 on the roof of the courthouse. 491 00:25:14,338 --> 00:25:17,472 They had sharpshooters in the woods. 492 00:25:17,516 --> 00:25:21,041 - Charles Ng was public enemy number one. 493 00:25:21,084 --> 00:25:23,304 He received many death threats, 494 00:25:23,347 --> 00:25:25,915 and authorities weren't taking any chances. 495 00:25:28,788 --> 00:25:30,441 - Security was tight outside 496 00:25:30,485 --> 00:25:33,401 the Calaveras County Courthouse this afternoon. 497 00:25:33,444 --> 00:25:37,013 All this for suspected mass murderer Charles Ng. 498 00:25:37,057 --> 00:25:39,189 The court charged Ng with 11 murders, 499 00:25:39,233 --> 00:25:41,452 two counts of conspiracy to commit murder, 500 00:25:41,496 --> 00:25:43,237 three kidnappings, and a burglary. 501 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,195 The prosecutor says he plans 502 00:25:45,239 --> 00:25:46,980 to charge Ng with a 12th murder, 503 00:25:47,023 --> 00:25:48,503 for the death of Paul Cosner. 504 00:25:48,547 --> 00:25:51,550 Cosner's sister was in the courtroom today. 505 00:26:02,299 --> 00:26:05,302 - Ng had been charged officially with 12 murders, 506 00:26:05,346 --> 00:26:08,741 but he wasn't going to go down without a fight. 507 00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:15,051 - Charles gets into all these legal ramblings, 508 00:26:15,095 --> 00:26:19,229 firing attorneys, every delay tactic he can. 509 00:26:19,273 --> 00:26:21,362 - Ng made more complaints in court this afternoon 510 00:26:21,405 --> 00:26:24,104 about getting cold food, about getting carsick 511 00:26:24,147 --> 00:26:25,714 while being driven from Folsom, 512 00:26:25,758 --> 00:26:28,543 and not getting enough exercise while he was in court. 513 00:26:28,587 --> 00:26:32,329 - Charles Ng used every legal maneuver to elude trial, 514 00:26:32,373 --> 00:26:34,897 including filing a motion for a change of venue 515 00:26:34,941 --> 00:26:36,595 outside of Calaveras County. 516 00:26:36,638 --> 00:26:39,206 This went on for years and weighed heavily 517 00:26:39,249 --> 00:26:41,034 on the families of the victims, 518 00:26:41,077 --> 00:26:42,775 especially Sharon Sellitto. 519 00:26:42,818 --> 00:26:45,125 - I just want to know when we're ever going to get around 520 00:26:45,168 --> 00:26:46,822 to the victims to the crime. 521 00:26:46,866 --> 00:26:48,824 I don't care if he's hot. 522 00:26:48,868 --> 00:26:49,825 I don't care if he's cold. 523 00:26:49,869 --> 00:26:50,957 I don't care if he's sick. 524 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,045 I don't care if he's healthy. 525 00:26:52,088 --> 00:26:53,350 I don't care if he's hungry. 526 00:26:53,394 --> 00:26:55,222 I don't care if he's too full. 527 00:26:55,265 --> 00:26:56,484 Let's get on with the crime. 528 00:26:56,527 --> 00:26:58,225 I want to know about the victims. 529 00:26:58,268 --> 00:27:01,271 I don't care about Charlie Ng. 530 00:27:03,273 --> 00:27:07,451 - Charles Ng delays this trial by seven years. 531 00:27:07,495 --> 00:27:10,237 But finally, the trial date is set. 532 00:27:15,068 --> 00:27:17,287 - There was a collective sigh of relief 533 00:27:17,331 --> 00:27:19,681 that this was finally, finally happening, 534 00:27:19,725 --> 00:27:22,466 after so many years of waiting. 535 00:27:22,510 --> 00:27:24,425 There was a lot of security. 536 00:27:24,468 --> 00:27:26,427 There was a lot of media attention. 537 00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:28,255 The courtroom was packed. 538 00:27:28,298 --> 00:27:30,823 - We were finally going to see justice. 539 00:27:30,866 --> 00:27:34,217 We had hopes of learning, 540 00:27:34,261 --> 00:27:37,046 through the trial process, where Paul was. 541 00:27:37,090 --> 00:27:39,048 We thought we'd find out, 542 00:27:39,092 --> 00:27:41,877 and then we could recover his body. 543 00:27:45,098 --> 00:27:46,534 - They found evidence of-- 544 00:27:46,577 --> 00:27:49,450 - The prosecutors were confident the jury were 545 00:27:49,493 --> 00:27:51,800 going to convict Charles Ng. 546 00:27:53,367 --> 00:27:55,456 They had the M-Ladies tapes, 547 00:27:55,499 --> 00:27:57,458 they had the notes and sketches that Ng had sent 548 00:27:57,501 --> 00:27:59,634 to prison informant Maurice Laberge, 549 00:27:59,678 --> 00:28:02,463 and they had Leonard Lake's diary. 550 00:28:02,506 --> 00:28:05,118 - The prosecution really needed his diary 551 00:28:05,161 --> 00:28:06,554 to be admitted as evidence, 552 00:28:06,597 --> 00:28:09,122 because it implicated Charles Ng in the murder 553 00:28:09,165 --> 00:28:12,386 and disappearance of Paul Cosner. 554 00:28:12,429 --> 00:28:15,563 But judges often label diaries as hearsay, 555 00:28:15,606 --> 00:28:18,653 especially if the person who wrote it is dead. 556 00:28:18,697 --> 00:28:20,568 The big question in the courtroom, 557 00:28:20,611 --> 00:28:23,789 would Leonard Lake's diary be admissible as evidence? 558 00:28:33,581 --> 00:28:36,410 - The big question inside the courtroom, 559 00:28:36,453 --> 00:28:39,630 would Leonard Lake's diary be admissible? 560 00:28:39,674 --> 00:28:42,285 All the evidence they needed to convict Charles Ng 561 00:28:42,329 --> 00:28:44,940 was right there, right on the page. 562 00:28:44,984 --> 00:28:46,333 But Leonard Lake was dead, 563 00:28:46,376 --> 00:28:48,465 so it was difficult to confirm what was true 564 00:28:48,509 --> 00:28:50,511 or what he might have made up or embellished. 565 00:28:50,554 --> 00:28:53,819 In the end, the judge deemed the diary hearsay, 566 00:28:53,862 --> 00:28:56,169 and it was excluded from the trial. 567 00:28:57,997 --> 00:29:01,435 So this was a serious blow to the prosecution. 568 00:29:03,524 --> 00:29:06,266 - By that time, I knew about Lake's diary, 569 00:29:06,309 --> 00:29:10,444 and where it said that they had murdered Paul together. 570 00:29:11,706 --> 00:29:13,577 It was just horrible. 571 00:29:14,796 --> 00:29:18,234 - Fortunately, the prosecution did have other key evidence 572 00:29:18,278 --> 00:29:20,541 they could lean back on. 573 00:29:20,584 --> 00:29:22,935 The M-Lady tapes. 574 00:29:22,978 --> 00:29:23,936 Let's face it. 575 00:29:23,979 --> 00:29:25,285 That's extremely damning evidence. 576 00:29:25,328 --> 00:29:26,547 You've got Leonard Lake there. 577 00:29:26,590 --> 00:29:27,809 You've got Charlie there. 578 00:29:27,853 --> 00:29:29,245 You've got the victims there. 579 00:29:29,289 --> 00:29:30,551 And they outline everything that they're 580 00:29:30,594 --> 00:29:32,118 going to do to them. 581 00:29:44,521 --> 00:29:46,001 - Now, when that tape is played tomorrow, 582 00:29:46,045 --> 00:29:48,177 the public will be banned from the courtroom. 583 00:29:48,221 --> 00:29:51,050 Except for the family members of the alleged victims, 584 00:29:51,093 --> 00:29:54,575 who for the first time may actually see the terror 585 00:29:54,618 --> 00:29:56,185 their loved ones endured. 586 00:30:04,019 --> 00:30:07,718 - Right off the bat, the jury is shown exactly 587 00:30:07,762 --> 00:30:10,765 what Leonard Lake and Charles Ng are like. 588 00:30:16,423 --> 00:30:17,946 - When she played the tapes, 589 00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:20,122 you could cut the tension with a knife. 590 00:30:20,166 --> 00:30:21,994 It was a very tense moment. 591 00:30:29,349 --> 00:30:31,481 - Victims' family members were crying. 592 00:30:31,525 --> 00:30:34,006 It was an emotional moment for them. 593 00:30:44,712 --> 00:30:47,323 - It was graphic and disgusting 594 00:30:47,367 --> 00:30:49,195 and difficult to watch. 595 00:30:50,457 --> 00:30:53,199 The tape was just that overwhelming. 596 00:30:56,942 --> 00:30:59,553 - That's something I could never watch. 597 00:31:00,206 --> 00:31:05,428 And I asked them, was my sister murdered on tape? 598 00:31:05,472 --> 00:31:07,517 And they told me, no, she was just tortured. 599 00:31:11,304 --> 00:31:14,873 I know my sister suffered. 600 00:31:17,963 --> 00:31:21,009 - The defense says, despite offensive images shown 601 00:31:21,053 --> 00:31:23,316 in court of Charles Ng on videotape 602 00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:27,276 cutting off a woman's clothes, he did not kill anyone. 603 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,104 - You can't like Charles Ng, folks. 604 00:31:29,148 --> 00:31:31,367 It's impossible. 605 00:31:31,411 --> 00:31:34,066 But you have to set that aside and say, 606 00:31:34,109 --> 00:31:36,372 have they proven that he murdered-- 607 00:31:36,416 --> 00:31:39,593 actually killed, or conspired to kill? 608 00:31:39,636 --> 00:31:42,030 - So William Kelley's whole theory was 609 00:31:42,074 --> 00:31:44,250 to make Lake the killer, 610 00:31:44,293 --> 00:31:45,904 and to make Charles Ng 611 00:31:45,947 --> 00:31:47,949 just an accomplice to some other deeds, 612 00:31:47,993 --> 00:31:49,864 but definitely not the killing. 613 00:31:49,908 --> 00:31:52,432 Maybe he was guilty of sexual assault 614 00:31:52,475 --> 00:31:54,390 or some other crimes. 615 00:31:54,434 --> 00:31:56,827 But he's on trial for murder. 616 00:31:56,871 --> 00:31:59,743 - It was Bill Kelley's intent for Charles Ng 617 00:31:59,787 --> 00:32:01,397 to never testify, 618 00:32:01,441 --> 00:32:04,009 never get anywhere near the witness box. 619 00:32:04,052 --> 00:32:07,534 He knew that it would damage the case. 620 00:32:07,577 --> 00:32:10,363 - But then, against his attorney's advice, 621 00:32:10,406 --> 00:32:12,017 and at the 11th hour, 622 00:32:12,060 --> 00:32:15,846 Charles Ng decided to take the stand. 623 00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:18,240 - He wasn't going to let anybody else 624 00:32:18,284 --> 00:32:20,068 get in the way of showing that 625 00:32:20,112 --> 00:32:22,027 he was innocent of these murders. 626 00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:24,072 He didn't care what his attorneys had done. 627 00:32:24,116 --> 00:32:27,684 It was going to be the Charles Ng show. 628 00:32:27,728 --> 00:32:30,774 - I think it was a huge tactical error on his part, 629 00:32:30,818 --> 00:32:33,647 in order to try to explain away things 630 00:32:33,690 --> 00:32:36,432 and, again, try to blame Leonard Lake. 631 00:32:36,476 --> 00:32:38,782 And I think it failed miserably. 632 00:32:40,349 --> 00:32:43,439 - The prosecutor produced sketches depicting Charlie 633 00:32:43,483 --> 00:32:45,659 cooking a baby in a wok, and asked him 634 00:32:45,702 --> 00:32:48,444 if he had written the words on the sketch, 635 00:32:48,488 --> 00:32:52,144 "Daddy dies, mommy cries, baby fries." 636 00:32:53,754 --> 00:32:57,279 Charlie said he had, but he dismissed the sketch 637 00:32:57,323 --> 00:32:59,281 as an attempt at black humor. 638 00:32:59,325 --> 00:33:02,023 But it was difficult for a jury to find any humor 639 00:33:02,067 --> 00:33:04,939 in the drawings that depicted killing babies, 640 00:33:04,983 --> 00:33:08,682 because what kind of person would do these things? 641 00:33:16,342 --> 00:33:19,214 - By the end of the trial, it was anyone's guess 642 00:33:19,258 --> 00:33:20,694 what the jury was thinking. 643 00:33:21,695 --> 00:33:25,046 - When the jury finally went out, 644 00:33:25,090 --> 00:33:27,353 we of course were hoping for justice. 645 00:33:28,876 --> 00:33:30,791 Finally, on the 13th day, 646 00:33:30,834 --> 00:33:33,533 we got a call that said, you have two hours 647 00:33:33,576 --> 00:33:35,491 to get back to the courthouse. 648 00:33:35,535 --> 00:33:37,798 The jury's reached a verdict. 649 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,633 - We, the jury, in the above entitled case, 650 00:33:46,676 --> 00:33:51,159 find the defendant, Charles Chitat Ng... 651 00:33:54,293 --> 00:33:55,772 Guilty. 652 00:33:57,905 --> 00:34:00,821 - The word "guilty" echoed through the courtroom 653 00:34:00,864 --> 00:34:02,257 again and again. 654 00:34:02,301 --> 00:34:05,739 After 14 years, Ng was no longer a defendant. 655 00:34:05,782 --> 00:34:07,784 He was a convicted serial killer. 656 00:34:07,828 --> 00:34:10,396 - Guilty verdicts come in for the victims, 657 00:34:10,439 --> 00:34:14,400 including the murders of Harvey Dubs, Deborah Dubs, 658 00:34:14,443 --> 00:34:16,402 their 18-month baby, Sean, 659 00:34:16,445 --> 00:34:19,100 followed by the two men found in the sleeping bags, 660 00:34:19,144 --> 00:34:22,103 Lonnie Bond and Scott Stapley. 661 00:34:22,147 --> 00:34:23,887 Guilty verdicts were read for the two women 662 00:34:23,931 --> 00:34:25,541 from the M-Ladies tape, 663 00:34:25,585 --> 00:34:28,283 Kathy Allen and Brenda O'Connor, 664 00:34:28,327 --> 00:34:30,503 and her infant son. 665 00:34:30,546 --> 00:34:35,377 - When the verdict came in, it was on my sister's birthday. 666 00:34:35,421 --> 00:34:36,813 We were all happy. 667 00:34:36,857 --> 00:34:38,206 We were all crying. 668 00:34:38,250 --> 00:34:39,903 We were all hugging. 669 00:34:39,947 --> 00:34:42,515 We-- 670 00:34:42,558 --> 00:34:45,213 but Sharon wasn't. 671 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,740 - Charles Ng had been convicted on every count of murder, 672 00:34:50,784 --> 00:34:51,828 except for one-- 673 00:34:51,872 --> 00:34:53,874 the murder of Paul Cosner. 674 00:35:04,885 --> 00:35:07,409 - We, the jury, in the above entitled case, 675 00:35:07,453 --> 00:35:11,761 find the defendant, Charles Chitat Ng, 676 00:35:11,805 --> 00:35:13,241 guilty. 677 00:35:14,677 --> 00:35:18,551 - Charles Ng, guilty of murder not once, but 11 times. 678 00:35:18,594 --> 00:35:20,901 - The mass murderer showed no emotion, 679 00:35:20,944 --> 00:35:22,337 but some relatives of the victims 680 00:35:22,381 --> 00:35:24,165 smiled and nodded with approval. 681 00:35:24,209 --> 00:35:26,254 - For Sharon Sellitto, no such joy. 682 00:35:26,298 --> 00:35:27,908 Just bitter disappointment. 683 00:35:27,951 --> 00:35:30,171 The jury could not agree on the murder 684 00:35:30,215 --> 00:35:31,912 of her brother, Paul Cosner. 685 00:35:31,955 --> 00:35:35,524 - They had said guilty all those times 686 00:35:35,568 --> 00:35:36,917 for everybody else. 687 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,486 And there wasn't a guilty for Paul. 688 00:35:40,529 --> 00:35:43,271 And I was sitting there with my arm around Mother, 689 00:35:43,315 --> 00:35:46,318 and she had her hands in her lap, 690 00:35:46,361 --> 00:35:49,321 and her hands were just filling up with tears. 691 00:35:49,364 --> 00:35:53,455 And they were running over her hands and down her leg 692 00:35:53,499 --> 00:35:55,196 to the floor. 693 00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:57,111 - That wasn't fair to Sharon. 694 00:35:57,155 --> 00:36:00,114 All the work, all the time, 695 00:36:00,158 --> 00:36:02,421 all the people she helped. 696 00:36:02,464 --> 00:36:05,206 And then it was her brother that 697 00:36:05,250 --> 00:36:07,121 came back with not guilty. 698 00:36:07,165 --> 00:36:08,731 And that wasn't right. 699 00:36:08,775 --> 00:36:12,822 So you're all happy and elated, then you're all pissed. 700 00:36:12,866 --> 00:36:14,955 Why? Why not Paul? 701 00:36:18,350 --> 00:36:22,223 - If Leonard Lake's diary had been entered into evidence, 702 00:36:22,267 --> 00:36:25,661 I feel that Charles Ng would have been 703 00:36:25,705 --> 00:36:27,924 charged with a 12th murder. 704 00:36:27,968 --> 00:36:31,232 The entries in there implicated him 705 00:36:31,276 --> 00:36:34,366 as potentially being the killer. 706 00:36:35,367 --> 00:36:39,675 I feel that Sharon Sellitto had 707 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,635 been served a gross injustice. 708 00:36:42,678 --> 00:36:45,855 - Bonnie, you couldn't vote to find him guilty. 709 00:36:45,899 --> 00:36:47,248 Why not? 710 00:36:47,292 --> 00:36:49,424 - I felt there was still a little bit of a doubt. 711 00:36:49,468 --> 00:36:52,166 - But I was absolutely, without a doubt, sure. 712 00:36:52,210 --> 00:36:53,907 - I'm sure he did it. 713 00:36:53,950 --> 00:36:55,256 But they didn't prove it. 714 00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:57,171 - Now comes the penalty phase. 715 00:36:57,215 --> 00:36:59,478 It's scheduled to start the second week of March, 716 00:36:59,521 --> 00:37:02,785 and prosecutors intend to seek the death penalty. 717 00:37:07,573 --> 00:37:09,705 - The judge allowed the family members 718 00:37:09,749 --> 00:37:12,186 to give impact statements, talk about their loved ones 719 00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:13,709 that they lost. 720 00:37:16,190 --> 00:37:19,672 And that, to me, was really heart-wrenching, 721 00:37:19,715 --> 00:37:21,543 to see the pain and anguish. 722 00:37:21,587 --> 00:37:24,546 - I just wanted to come up here and stand before you, 723 00:37:24,590 --> 00:37:27,680 and tell you that my sister was loved, 724 00:37:27,723 --> 00:37:31,161 and is missed very, very much. 725 00:37:31,205 --> 00:37:35,557 - May God forgive me, but I want Charles Ng dead. 726 00:37:35,601 --> 00:37:38,343 - This is part of my victim impact statement 727 00:37:38,386 --> 00:37:41,476 that the judge allowed me to read. 728 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,784 "You have shown nothing but contempt for life. 729 00:37:44,827 --> 00:37:46,525 "You have killed many people. 730 00:37:46,568 --> 00:37:50,224 "Not only my brother, but that you killed so many others 731 00:37:50,268 --> 00:37:52,748 "who have no one to speak on their behalf. 732 00:37:52,792 --> 00:37:55,316 "But now it's over, Charlie. 733 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,666 You must be put to death." 734 00:37:59,842 --> 00:38:02,236 - It took 14 long, grueling years, 735 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,325 but families of the victims finally heard 736 00:38:04,369 --> 00:38:06,240 the words they wanted to hear. 737 00:38:06,284 --> 00:38:08,590 The judge agreed with the jury's recommendation. 738 00:38:08,634 --> 00:38:11,550 Charles Ng will die for his crimes. 739 00:38:11,593 --> 00:38:14,292 - It is the order of this court that 740 00:38:14,335 --> 00:38:16,859 you shall be punished by death. 741 00:38:18,252 --> 00:38:20,254 - When they said the death sentence, 742 00:38:20,298 --> 00:38:22,082 you could hear the screams. 743 00:38:22,125 --> 00:38:23,431 We were elated. 744 00:38:23,475 --> 00:38:26,042 Charles Ng was just so whiny. 745 00:38:26,086 --> 00:38:29,089 And he didn't get no sleep, he was tired. 746 00:38:29,132 --> 00:38:32,353 I stood up, and I bent over, 747 00:38:32,397 --> 00:38:34,399 and he was right in front of me. 748 00:38:34,442 --> 00:38:39,099 And I told him, bet you're wide awake now. 749 00:39:10,043 --> 00:39:12,611 - When I first set out on this journey, 750 00:39:12,654 --> 00:39:14,613 all I wanted to do was tell the story 751 00:39:14,656 --> 00:39:16,397 of the most gruesome serial murder case 752 00:39:16,441 --> 00:39:18,094 Ain California's history. 753 00:39:19,748 --> 00:39:22,708 And in Sharon Sellitto, I met a woman 754 00:39:22,751 --> 00:39:25,754 who, for me, is the definition of the words 755 00:39:25,798 --> 00:39:28,496 resilience and strength. 756 00:39:36,112 --> 00:39:39,333 - Well, obviously, from what I've been through, 757 00:39:39,377 --> 00:39:42,554 I discovered that life isn't fair. 758 00:39:42,597 --> 00:39:47,646 And if this doesn't prove it, nothing has. 759 00:39:57,873 --> 00:40:01,007 - I have all the admiration in the world for Sharon. 760 00:40:01,050 --> 00:40:02,791 I can't think of anything or anybody else 761 00:40:02,835 --> 00:40:05,620 in the world that has ever been that dedicated. 762 00:40:18,764 --> 00:40:20,722 - Hi, Sharon. - Hi. 763 00:40:22,768 --> 00:40:23,899 - God bless her. 764 00:40:23,943 --> 00:40:25,901 I mean, what can you say? 765 00:40:27,250 --> 00:40:28,991 Hard place to come to. 766 00:40:29,035 --> 00:40:30,819 - I know. 767 00:40:30,863 --> 00:40:33,082 But it feels exactly the same. 768 00:40:33,126 --> 00:40:35,084 - Same. Yeah. 769 00:40:35,128 --> 00:40:36,172 - It does feel the same. 770 00:40:36,216 --> 00:40:38,827 - 37 years since-- 771 00:40:38,871 --> 00:40:40,786 - Yeah. - Long time. 772 00:40:40,829 --> 00:40:42,222 - Half my life. 773 00:40:42,265 --> 00:40:44,398 - Yeah. - Mm-hmm. 774 00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:45,878 - Grandma picked roses. 775 00:40:45,921 --> 00:40:48,402 And she took them to Mother at the hospital 776 00:40:48,446 --> 00:40:50,143 to celebrate Paul's birth. 777 00:40:50,186 --> 00:40:52,754 These are from Grandma's roses in Ohio. 778 00:40:52,798 --> 00:40:54,234 - Seriously? - Wow. 779 00:40:54,277 --> 00:40:57,846 - I brought it up here to spread some of the petals. 780 00:40:57,890 --> 00:40:59,282 - Wow. 781 00:40:59,326 --> 00:41:02,677 - To make Mother happy, Grandma happy, Paul happy. 782 00:41:02,721 --> 00:41:05,245 And me happy too. 783 00:41:05,288 --> 00:41:07,377 This is from Mother. 784 00:41:07,421 --> 00:41:10,380 And this is from Grandma. 785 00:41:10,424 --> 00:41:16,430 And it's to take some of the murder out of this land. 786 00:41:16,474 --> 00:41:17,953 This is for Paul, 787 00:41:17,997 --> 00:41:21,391 to celebrate Paul Steven Cosner. 788 00:41:21,435 --> 00:41:26,135 For many years, I thought about this every day. 789 00:41:26,179 --> 00:41:27,528 Here, Paulie. 790 00:41:27,572 --> 00:41:29,791 These are finally here. 791 00:41:31,271 --> 00:41:34,448 I don't think about it every day now. 792 00:41:36,145 --> 00:41:37,625 God bless you. 793 00:41:37,669 --> 00:41:41,716 There isn't anything else I can do. 794 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,501 God bless you. 795 00:41:43,544 --> 00:41:47,069 I guess I've learned to live with it. 796 00:41:49,724 --> 00:41:53,206 I try to live past it and around it, 797 00:41:53,249 --> 00:41:57,776 but I don't think I can ever forget it. 798 00:42:25,499 --> 00:42:27,501 - Well, some new developments in a mass murder 799 00:42:27,545 --> 00:42:30,286 that happened in Calaveras County back in 1985. 800 00:42:30,330 --> 00:42:32,114 The remains of some of the victims 801 00:42:32,158 --> 00:42:33,768 were exhumed for DNA testing. 802 00:42:33,812 --> 00:42:37,467 - Right now, as we speak, the Department of Justice 803 00:42:37,511 --> 00:42:40,732 is, through DNA, attempting to identify 804 00:42:40,775 --> 00:42:44,649 other human remains that were found on the property. 805 00:42:44,692 --> 00:42:46,912 - I would very much like to find Paul, 806 00:42:46,955 --> 00:42:50,306 and take him back and bury him next to Mother. 807 00:42:50,350 --> 00:42:54,223 DNA has become much more advanced. 808 00:42:54,267 --> 00:42:55,834 I'm very optimistic. 809 00:42:55,877 --> 00:42:59,272 I sure am hoping that I'm the lucky one. 62362

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