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British intelligence,
at one critical moment in the 1980s,
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had to act to prevent nuclear war.
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It was able to do so
because it had its own mole
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at the heart
of Russian intelligence.
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That Russian double agent
was Oleg Gordievsky.
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Gordievsky became aware
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that Russia had mistaken
US and British nuclear war exercises
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as preparations
for a nuclear first strike.
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Gordievsky also knew
that in reaction,
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Russia would launch
its own nuclear first strike first.
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He also knew
that his own cover was blown,
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that he'd been recalled
to Moscow for interrogation,
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and unless he could leave,
he would be executed.
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British intelligence got him
out of Russia into Finland,
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in the boot of a car.
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The car was searched.
The car boot was about to be opened,
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when, suddenly,
one of the British agents' wives
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tore off her baby's nappy,
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thereby distracting
the tracker dogs,
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who could not resist the smell.
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The car was waved through.
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Gordievsky's escape
was signalled to him
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by the playing
of Sibelius' Finlandia
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on the car cassette player.
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Nuclear oblivion for the world
turned on a baby's nappy
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and the presence of mind
of a small child's mother.
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Gordievsky's escape
also could be said
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to have led to the Geneva summit
in November 1985,
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and the beginnings of a real end
to the Cold War.
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The world - and Oleg Gordievsky -
were saved.
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He lived for the rest of his life
in secret and in disguise
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in Surrey, England.
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It was a threat.
It was a huge military threat,
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and it's still a threat,
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even the military
of the new Russia,
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which is still
a nuclear superpower.
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And the KGB was a threat.
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The KGB was less efficient than
the Western intelligence services,
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but the KGB was huge.
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The KGB used to have,
and still, they still have
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about 2,500 active officers
in the West.
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Look, we're getting to be old men,
and we spent our lives
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looking for the weaknesses
in one another's systems.
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I can see through Eastern values,
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just as you can see through
our Western ones.
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Both of us, I am sure,
have experienced ad nauseum
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the technical satisfactions
of this wretched war.
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But now your own side
is going to shoot you.
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Don't you think
it's time to recognise
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that there is as little worth
on your side as there is on mine?
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The Cold War ended
with the fall of the Berlin Wall.
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The film The Lives Of Others
strikingly portrays
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the surveillance by the communist
East European government
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of its own population.
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The Stasi were
unflinchingly portrayed
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in this Academy Award-winning film.
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And gradually, it dawned on him...
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...if a dawning can take place
in total blackness...
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that his life had consisted
of a run of rehearsals
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for a play he had failed
to take part in.
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And that what he needed to do
from now on,
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if there was going to be a now on,
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was abandon
his morbid quest for order
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and treat himself
to a little chaos,
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on the grounds that
while order was demonstrably
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no substitute for happiness,
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chaos might open the way to it.
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But I think
what we're seeing today,
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and what we started seeing,
especially in the 2010s,
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is disinformation
on an industrial scale.
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And now, with the rise of AI,
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we don't know very much
about how many states are using AI
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to carry out disinformation,
but based on what we know about AI,
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this is only going to accelerate
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the tempo of propaganda
and disinformation
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carried out by states such as Iran
or such as Russia.
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There's no way out,
he announced with satisfaction,
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and no amount of wishful dreaming
will produce one.
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The demon won't go back
in its bottle.
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The face-off is forever,
the embrace gets tighter,
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and the toys cleverer
with every generation.
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Not for the main players...
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not for the nasty little newcomers,
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who each year run themselves up
a suitcase bomb and join the club.
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We get tired of believing that.
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Because we're human,
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we may even con ourselves into
believing the threat has gone away,
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It never will, never, never, never.
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The Russian view of the Cold War
is rarely heard.
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The deep resentment
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of first the Soviet Union
and now Russia
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has not gone away.
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Stalin and Khruschev both resented
Russia not being seen
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as an equal partner
of the United States,
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both at the end
of the Second World War
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and subsequently.
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On the invasion of Ukraine
on February 24th 2022,
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President Putin expressed this view
in extreme form.
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Where does this insolent manner
of speaking come from?
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Where does this exceptionalism,
infallibility
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and all permissiveness
come from?
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Wherefrom comes that condescending,
arrogant attitude
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towards our interests
and absolutely legitimate demands?
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In contrast, George Robertson,
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who was Secretary-General of Nato
between 1999 and 2004,
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said Putin, at their first meeting,
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told him that he wanted Russia
to join NATO,
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and for Russia and Russian culture
to be part of western Europe.
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But he did not want
to stand in line
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with a lot of countries
that don't matter.
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He said the same thing
to David Frost in a BBC interview.
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Putin expected to change NATO
to take account of Russian interests
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and reflect Russia
being part of European culture.
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This was obviously
unlikely to happen.
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Thucydides wrote
in the fifth century
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that the Greek wars were the result
of the rise of the power of Athens
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and the fear this produced
in Sparta.
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Vladislav Zubok remarks
that 25 centuries after Thucydides
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that war has countless causes:
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seeing the other as the enemy,
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a need for moral superiority,
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ideological delusions.
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All the varied
traditionalist, revisionist
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or post-revisionist interpretations
of the Cold War
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remain simply interpretations.
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Feature films like Argo,
Munich, Bridge of Spies,
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Enemy of the State,
and The Good Shepherd
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tackled controversial
political themes,
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though some facts were changed
for the benefit of dramatic effect.
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So, another way
to think of intelligence
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is through what we call
the dirty hands dilemma,
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which is, essentially,
who is willing to carry the burden
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of doing, you know, immoral things
in order to protect the realm?
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And one of the things
that you see
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when you watch a spy film,
or a spy TV series,
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is actually these people
carrying the burden
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of doing all sorts of
immoral things.
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And you, as a spectator,
might experience
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all sorts of extremely
problematic feelings
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when you watch a scene of torture,
water-boarding and so on.
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Look at me.
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You don't look at me
when I talk to you, I hurt you!
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And, so, in a way, there is
a sort of conflictual pleasure
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to see people
doing the sort of things
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that you're not ready to do
as an individual.
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Someone just tried to blow up...
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Zero Dark Thirty
was an interesting one,
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because the CIA actually agreed
to give sensitive information
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about the Bin Laden raid
to the filmmaker, Kathryn Bigelow.
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Start working
on the American Al Qaeda cells.
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Protect the homeland.
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Bin Laden is the one who keeps
telling them to attack the homeland!
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One of the main messages
of that film was,
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enhanced interrogation worked.
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Torture worked,
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when it came to the hunt
for Bin Laden.
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Had it not have been for enhanced
interrogation of terrorist suspects,
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they would never have found
Osama bin Laden.
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There was an anger that the CIA
had given this material to Bigelow,
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essentially to justify
some of the...
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to justify the kind of
gloves-off approach
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to the war on terror
that it took.
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There is debate as to whether
information derived from torture
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actually led to the capture
of Osama Bin Laden.
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Kathryn Bigelow wrote,
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"Torture was however,
as we all know,
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employed in the early years
of the hunt.
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That doesn't mean it was the key
to finding Bin Laden.
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It means it is a part of the story
we couldn't ignore."
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The Guardian reported,
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"Though torture was used by CIA
the in the early 2000s,
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it may not have been
part of the story
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of finding Osama Bin Laden."
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Everyone will have
their own moral compass.
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For instance,
when officers are running sources,
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one of the dilemmas could be,
you know,
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how long am I going to ask
the source to stay in place?
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Should we be running sources
who are conducting, perhaps,
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illegal or various violent acts?
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Oleg Penkovsky
was a high-ranking Soviet official
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providing key intelligence
to the West.
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He was arrested by the Soviets
in 1962,
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tried and executed
in the following year.
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Penkovsky is providing
a whole range of information,
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not just on the Soviet order
of battle
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when it comes
to nuclear information -
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so the nuclear stockpile
of the Soviet Union
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and its nuclear capability -
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but Penkovsky is also providing
a range of information
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on Soviet military intelligence,
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the types of strategies that
the Soviets are going to employ
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in their war against the West,
should the Cold War break out.
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But he's also,
like other defectors
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and other individuals
further down the line,
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he's providing information on Soviet
intelligence's order of battle.
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He's providing information on,
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who are their leading
intelligence officers
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being sent overseas?
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And it's the mundane information
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that really is the building blocks
of good intelligence.
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♪ SOMBRE MUSIC
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Everything passes.
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Everything wears out.
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Everything breaks.
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It's just that I'm tired of being
told I look at life too simply.
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It isn't naive to believe
that good exists, that evil exists.
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I have known both of them -
I've seen them, I've felt them.
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They aren't just ideas that
you can twist into deep phrases.
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They aren't words
to be clever with.
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They are too vital.
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We live by them,
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or else we make
everything meaningless.
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While some recent practitioners
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have maintained the sombre view
of espionage
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that often characterised
the fiction and films
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inspired by the Cold War,
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others, as, for instance,
the Austin Powers series of films,
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appearing from to 1997 to 2002,
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have seen the potential
for satirical comedy in spy stories.
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That really hurt!
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Who throws a shoe?
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Spy is a spoof film from Paul Feig,
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the director or Bridesmaids,
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that is full of affection
for the conventions of the spy film.
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Susie, get Rayna to safety now!
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I've got her!
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Get away!
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Who puts a roof on a scooter?
What are you, the Pope?
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The Bridge Of Spies,
made in 2015,
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is based on historical reality,
on a real story.
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But it explores
the ambivalence
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around the contention
between different ideologies,
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the motives behind
those who are entangled
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with those confrontations.
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But there is in The Bridge Of Spies
a compelling sequence
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when the handover is to take place.
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Waiting for the arrival
of a second American figure.
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I acted honourably,
I think they know that.
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But sometimes people think wrong.
People are people.
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Let's see how they greet me.
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What can I look for?
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If I'm embraced
or just shown the back seat.
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Perhaps hell is like that,
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a discordant confusion
of anxious souls.
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Some argued, some slept,
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some shouted, some wept,
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some wrote, some sketched,
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and many conspired
about their coming interrogation.
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But mostly, they did no more
than stare into space,
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eyes unfocused as they tried
to see tomorrow.
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Insubordinate.
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Insolent.
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A trickster.
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Perhaps with criminal tendencies.
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Yes, that's a pretty fair appraisal.
Sir.
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Good.
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Social class
has always been a prominent feature
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within spy novels
and indeed in spy film.
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Mr Grantby?
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Mr Grantby, we are looking
for an important piece
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of scientific equipment.
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It was lost on a train.
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We think that you might be able
to help us get it back.
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Shh.
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Later writers react against this,
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and here it's worth mentioning
Len Deighton.
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Who came from
a very different background
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from that that we would encounter
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in say, Graham Greene
or Ian Fleming.
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The image of Harry Palmer...
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...is a fascinating one
at a time when
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you're thinking about class
in post-war Britain.
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I haven't seen you here before, sir.
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No, well I don't, erm...
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really care for these American
shopping methods.
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One has to move with the times,
I suppose.
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He is very much the anti-Bond
and the working-class hero,
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and his mannerisms towards superiors
and how he how he treats them.
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Yes, sir.
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And the girl Courtney too.
You didn't come here...
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Excuse me.
Sorry.
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You didn't come here
to talk to me about...
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Oh, men!
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...button mushrooms and birds.
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But I also think there's still
an element here of the bourgeois
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and something that people
would like to live up to
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in terms of his lifestyle.
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Champignon.
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Nothing but the best
for our Palmer.
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And in terms of, you know,
the presentation of intelligence,
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very much... you know,
forward-thinking.
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The room was silent,
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except for the hum
of the fluorescent lights.
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I sat at my desk,
reviewing the report.
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Another one of those routine cases.
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But something about it
nagged at me.
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There were no big names,
no major intelligence,
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but still,
something didn't add up.
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The problem with this job...
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...is that you never know
who to trust.
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We do see a complacent acceptance
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of older ideas about gender
and the role of women,
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which Deighton is quite happy
to accept.
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- Hello?
- Bald Eagle wants to see you
urgently at his place.
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Look, he's expecting you
at at 1200 hours.
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Tell Ross, er...
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...I'll be late.
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Really work on the insubordinate
bit, don't you?
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You're useless in the kitchen.
Go back to bed.
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"I've been taking things
too seriously for years," I said.
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"I'm afraid it makes me
a difficult man to live with."
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"But I've stayed alive,
sweetheart."
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"And that means a lot to me."
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One of the striking features
about spy fiction and spy films
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is that it is
a very male-dominated genre.
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It is partly because
it's an action-based genre.
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That it often involves
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international travel,
exotic location,
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all things that were
not so immediately accessible
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to women writers.
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In the middle of the 20th century,
in the context of World War Two,
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we have Helen MacInnes,
a very accomplished novelist
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who was writing on the basis
of personal experience.
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Von Aschenhausen sat on the edge
of a large desk.
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His eyes were fixed
on the man standing
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over the girl roped to a chair.
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He spoke again,
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"You fool,
you stupid little fool."
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"Can't you see I must,
I will find out."
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Her novel Above Suspicion
was based
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on a honeymoon journey
through Europe,
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with her husband,
who was a classical scholar.
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So, she was writing
about a world that she knew.
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She was
a very politically engaged writer,
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always pushing back
against what seemed to her
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the dangerous self-deceptions
of Europe
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in the context of poisonous,
political ideologies.
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There's nothing like self-pity
for thoroughly dissipating a man,
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and when a nation indulges
in that luxury,
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it finds itself with a dictator.
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The Bond girl,
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whose role in the early Bond films
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was always to be gorgeous
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and, broadly speaking,
sexually available,
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that role has been superseded
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by the formidably active figure,
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who is as capable
of inflicting damage in a fight
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as any of her male colleagues.
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And is fully involved in the plot,
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rather than just
a kind of passive vehicle.
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In a recent television series,
Black Doves,
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you see a complex spy narrative
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which is dominated by women.
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This isn't a complaint.
This is vengeance.
355
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,639
What are you talking about?
356
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,439
We can't undo what's done.
We can't bring people back.
357
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,079
This here is a good an ending
as you're gonna get,
358
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,839
so take it.
Helen. This is NOT you.
359
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,720
Who do you think I am, Sam?
360
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Women have always been at the heart
of Britain's history of espionage
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and I think what we tend to miss
is how effective these women were.
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Even with the founding
of MI5 and MI6,
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there were women
who played key roles.
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Breaking the Enigma code
was hugely important
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to Allied success in the war.
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Bletchley Park,
75% of the staff there were female,
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00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,159
couldn't have operated
without that input.
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00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,279
And there were women
at very senior levels,
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language experts and mathematicians
working on the codebreaking.
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The women who joined the SOE,
the Special Operations Executive,
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came from 13 different nations.
And Eisenhower said
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that they probably shortened
the course of the war by some months
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and made a very considerable
contribution
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to ultimate Allied victory.
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It was only in the 1950s
that Britain started making films
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00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,519
like Odette
and Carve Her Name With Pride,
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00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,559
that showed the role
that women had played
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with the SOE or behind enemy lines.
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My name is Maurice Buckmaster.
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I have been asked to say a forward
to this story.
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My only claim to do so is that,
as their commanding officer,
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I knew intimately
all the volunteers
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who formed the French section
of Special Forces.
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00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,039
It was in September 1942
that Odette Sansom,
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alias Madame Odette Metayer,
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00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,519
number S-23,
known to us as "Lise",
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00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,439
completed her training.
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For her bravery and bearing,
when in the hands of the enemy,
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00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:23,479
Odette was awarded the George Cross,
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the highest British honour
that can be bestowed on any woman.
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This is her story.
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Au revoir, Lise. Good luck.
Au revoir. Merci.
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00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:33,879
Perhaps one of the ironies is that
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it's because women
tend to be overlooked
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that made them so useful
in many roles in the war.
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00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,999
And why it is relevant to be a woman
is not because they were beautiful,
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it's not because
they were seductresses,
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00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,519
it's because women do have
a superpower in the 1940s,
399
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,079
arguably still today,
400
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,199
and that is that they are overlooked
and they are underestimated,
401
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,919
and that gave them
perfect opportunity
402
00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,840
to serve in intelligence gathering.
403
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,399
The women faced exactly the same
fundamental threat as the men,
404
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,119
and many of them lost their lives.
405
00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:08,399
We don't need to have
a female James Bond,
406
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,919
because we actually
had real female
407
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,319
Special Operations Executive
agents out there
408
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:15,519
who were playing that role.
409
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,239
They weren't Bond girls,
they were Bond.
410
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,119
Better than Bond,
because they were real,
411
00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:21,839
they were in place, in the role,
in the war.
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00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,560
So, these are the stories that
we still need to tell accurately.
413
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:33,999
There had been earlier explorations
of race and ethnicity
414
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:40,319
and here we might mention
Sam Greenlee's really seminal book,
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00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,439
The Spook Who Sat By The Door.
416
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,959
Sam Greenlee's deeply challenging
book and film
417
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:51,839
present a fictional scenario
and a realistic fictional apocalypse
418
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,399
based on a Black ex-CIA agent
419
00:26:55,400 --> 00:27:00,879
becoming a CIA-trained
and revolutionary Black Power leader
420
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,959
and fomenting an insurrection
421
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,599
to overturn White power
in the United States,
422
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:11,519
based on the very techniques
learned by Sam Greenlee himself,
423
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,360
when he was himself a spook
trained by the CIA.
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00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,839
The book,
initially published in Britain,
425
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,959
and the film that Sam Greenlee
co-produced
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00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,359
show a young Black CIA agent
turning against the state
427
00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:29,239
and the institution
that trained him
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00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,799
in the intelligence methods
and techniques
429
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,320
to be used against foreign powers.
430
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:40,199
He uses them to marshal
a Black Power insurrection
431
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,040
in the United States.
432
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,359
Created at the time
of the assassination
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00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:48,599
of Martin Luther King
and Robert Kennedy,
434
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,999
with a background of accompanying
demonstrations and riots
435
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,919
throughout the United States,
436
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,839
the book and film
represent one of,
437
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,519
and perhaps the only,
full dramatisation
438
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,159
of the radical aims
of an extreme incarnation
439
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,119
of the Black Power movement.
440
00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:13,279
Released by United Artist,
Sam Greenlee, and others,
441
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,559
believe that the FBI removed
442
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,279
all prints from cinemas
showing them,
443
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,999
when it became clear that the film
was going to be a great success.
444
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,079
Negatives were lost or destroyed.
445
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:32,360
One was eventually rediscovered
for the DVD release in 2004.
446
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:38,079
Sam Greenlee never recanted on,
or changed his views,
447
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,519
on the need for a revolutionary
freedom for Black Americans.
448
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,159
The book and the film
are a powerful account
449
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,759
of the frustrations and injustices
450
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:54,439
powering the Black Power movement
in the United States in the 1970s.
451
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,919
It is a remarkable creative assault
452
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,519
on the more usual personal fictions
and representations
453
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,200
of intelligence and espionage.
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00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,719
The American writer Aya De Leon
455
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,119
writes from the perspective
of a Black woman,
456
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:15,519
in A Spy In The Struggle
in the 2020s,
457
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:20,119
where she is thinking
about divided loyalties,
458
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,919
as so many spy writers do.
459
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:30,399
Loyalty between national interests
and the interests of Black people,
460
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,360
which, in that novel,
are quite often in conflict.
461
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,839
The deal wasn't just about money,
it was about power.
462
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,199
The women at the table
didn't just want the cash,
463
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,399
they wanted to show
they could run the game
464
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,119
better than the men
who'd been in charge for years.
465
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,680
They had the skills,
the knowledge and the ambition.
466
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,400
But ambition wasn't enough.
467
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,319
It was the willingness
to break the rules,
468
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,919
to bend them so far they snapped.
469
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,800
If they wanted to win,
they had to play dirty...
470
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,040
...and she wasn't afraid
to get her hands bloody.
471
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:19,559
The central points of concern
in spy novels and in spy films
472
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,720
change as the years go by.
473
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,399
Bourne waited in the Renault,
474
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,039
two hundred yards east
of the restaurant entrance,
475
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,119
the motor running,
prepared to race ahead
476
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,600
the instant he saw Villiers
drive out.
477
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,159
Several others had already left,
all in separate cars.
478
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,879
Conspirators did not advertise
their association
479
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,360
and these old men were conspirators
in the truest sense.
480
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,999
They had traded
whatever honours they'd earned
481
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,639
for the lethal convenience
of an assassin's gun
482
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,760
and an assassin's organisation.
483
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,679
Age and bias
had robbed them of reason,
484
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,319
as they had spent
their lives robbing life
485
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,280
from the young
and the very young.
486
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,239
The easiest thing in the world
487
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,240
is to convince yourself
that you're right.
488
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,720
As one grows older,
this is easier still.
489
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,039
You see it reflected
in a different light,
490
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,599
in Robert Ludlum's
The Bourne Identity.
491
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:35,479
Where the story turns
on the central character's
492
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,599
having lost his identity.
493
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,240
What was it?
494
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,600
Why won't it leave me?
495
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,599
Some terrible thing
is deep inside me
496
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,120
trying to break out.
497
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,080
Trying, I think, to kill me.
498
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,320
Help me, Marie.
For God's sake, help me.
499
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,999
I mean, we're all trying
to find out who the hell we are.
500
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,680
Aren't we?
501
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,879
So, the image of the CIA
502
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,599
throughout the Bourne films,
the Bourne books
503
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:20,599
is really of an agency that, yes,
is attacking individuals overseas,
504
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,959
but Bourne himself is fighting
rogue elements within the CIA.
505
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,239
And this is, you know,
plays into that broader idea
506
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,439
that post-911, the CIA can get up
to whatever it wants.
507
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,999
The CIA is involved
in extraordinary rendition.
508
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,959
It's involved in torture.
509
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,400
It's involved in drone strikes
and extrajudicial killing.
510
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,920
Jason Bourne had no memory
of who he was.
511
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,719
He had no idea how he'd ended up
in a hospital in Paris
512
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,480
fighting for his life.
513
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,839
All he knew was that
he was being hunted
514
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,719
and that the people after him
would stop at nothing
515
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,640
to make sure he was dead.
516
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,440
But as his mind began to clear,
he realised something else.
517
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,959
They weren't just hunting HIM.
518
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,080
They were hunting
what he'd become.
519
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:18,559
A man with a past,
a man with no future...
520
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,440
and a man with no hope of escape.
521
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:31,079
There are certain things that
secret intelligence agencies can do,
522
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,519
that the everyday citizen
and corporations cannot do.
523
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,719
So, in the case of the UK,
524
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,159
only the UK's
intelligence security community,
525
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,959
MI5, GCHQ and SIS,
526
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,119
and can break law.
527
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,319
They are given express permission
528
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,399
by a Secretary of State
or a senior civil servant
529
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,079
to breach the legal frameworks
that are in place.
530
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,079
So, we know that
the US intelligence community
531
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,560
is really interested
in social media.
532
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,319
They're interested
in the power of social media
533
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,839
for what they're calling
"anticipatory intelligence".
534
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,759
So, can a computer,
can an algorithm
535
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:17,319
be made to scan the world's
social media in real time,
536
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,759
to gauge the temperature
of a population?
537
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:25,519
To gauge how close a group
or a certain population
538
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,239
is close to protesting,
is close to rioting.
539
00:34:29,240 --> 00:34:31,639
That's the kind
of "Brave New World" thinking.
540
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,599
One London hedge fund
541
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,159
has successfully used these
kinds of ideas
542
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,960
to outperform financial markets
by a considerable margin.
543
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,719
The US intelligence community
was completely blindsided
544
00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:46,879
by the Arab Spring back in 2013.
545
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,759
Some intelligence professionals
and some computer scientists
546
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,279
would have you to believe
that, when perfected,
547
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,199
AI and computers will mean
that the intelligence community
548
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,600
will never be blindsided
by an Arab Spring event again.
549
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,919
Standing on the tube,
550
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,759
Coe was studying
his fellow passengers,
551
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,200
gauging their identities.
552
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,759
There was a checklist
he'd memorised,
553
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,439
a crib sheet
on how to spot a terrorist.
554
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,879
And there was another checklist,
allowing for the possibility
555
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,919
that terrorists might have
got hold of the first checklist
556
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,199
and adapted their behaviour
accordingly.
557
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,640
And Coe had memorised this too.
558
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,919
And he was mentally
running through them,
559
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,879
scoring his fellow travellers,
560
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,399
when it struck him
there was conceivably a checklist
561
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,239
for spotting members
of the security services.
562
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:41,919
He was doubtless ticking
all the right boxes himself.
563
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,159
The thought made him want to giggle,
564
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,440
which was itself
on one of the checklists.
565
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:56,799
Mick Heron has been a hugely
popular writer in recent years,
566
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,559
perhaps primarily because
of the brilliant adaptations
567
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,680
of his work for television.
568
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,359
This was the blissful break,
569
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,199
when the world seemed
a safer place,
570
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,120
between the end of the Cold War
and about ten minutes later.
571
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:25,440
The office was as bleak
as its inhabitants.
572
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:32,639
Jackson Lamb stood by the window,
a cigarette dangling from his lips,
573
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,400
watching the rain pour down.
574
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,959
The city outside was alive,
575
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,880
but inside
the walls were closing in.
576
00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:49,799
Slough House, the graveyard
for MI5's failed agents,
577
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,680
was no place for hope.
578
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:54,999
Lamb had long given up on it,
579
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,279
but there was always
one last job,
580
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,440
always a reason
to keep pushing forward.
581
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,679
Even if that reason
was just to spite the people
582
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,400
who had left him here.
583
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,519
I think I'd put to you
that hostile intelligence agencies,
584
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,679
they don't invent discontent
within society.
585
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:23,159
They don't invent angst, hostility,
division within society.
586
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,359
But what they do
is they exploit it.
587
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,119
They exploit
already existing discontent.
588
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,759
They exploit and amplify
and weaponise
589
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,719
existing divisions within society.
590
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:39,799
So, whenever we see things
in the news, protest, riots,
591
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,159
we should always
think to ourselves,
592
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,119
you know, how is this going
to be exploited
593
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,879
by people who would do us harm?
594
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,639
Get your own house in order,
595
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,639
that in itself
is a tool of resilience,
596
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,359
that in itself is a barrier
to hostile acts by your enemies.
597
00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:00,319
They take their instructions,
or tasking, from the government.
598
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,199
Intelligence agencies
are only responding
599
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,919
to the demands
of the government themselves,
600
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,159
so, to borrow the criticism
of the CIA in the 1970s,
601
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,679
they're not a rogue elephant.
602
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:16,879
They are responding
to specific tasking by a government,
603
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,719
and they are following through
604
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:21,759
on what they're told
to go out there and collect.
605
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,639
And that's the great
sort of divide
606
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,960
between the popular depictions
of intelligence and reality.
607
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:31,679
For decades to come,
608
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,799
the spy world will continue
to be the collective couch
609
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:41,240
where the subconscious
of each nation is confessed.
610
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,479
Other novelists have looked at
differing approaches to espionage.
611
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:56,959
Like Stella Rimington,
612
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,999
Charles Beaumont
has personal experience of MI6.
613
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,919
His A Spy Alone is based on
the fictional premise
614
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,639
of an Oxford spy ring,
in an echo of the Cambridge ring,
615
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,039
with members
who have different reasons
616
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,719
of being prepared
to work for Putin's Russia.
617
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:16,999
Some recent spy fiction,
618
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,279
including Adam Brookes's
Night Heron trilogy,
619
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,760
have turned their attention
to China as a global threat.
620
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,199
"The greatest long-term threat
621
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,399
to our nation's information
and intellectual property
622
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,479
and to our economic vitality
623
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,399
is the counter-intelligence
and economic espionage threat
624
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,160
from China."
625
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,000
It's the oldest question of all,
George.
626
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,680
Who can spy on the spies?
627
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,919
The idea that, somehow,
the CIA and the British
628
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,919
are behind everything
and they're the evil enemy
629
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,079
is something that's pushed forward
by other external actors,
630
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,439
like the Russian state.
631
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,759
And I think that
it comes back to this idea
632
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,999
of weaponisation of history,
and also weaponisation of image
633
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,760
is key in shaping propaganda
hearts and minds.
634
00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:22,839
He betrayed his country, yes.
635
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,320
Perhaps he did.
636
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,599
But who among us
has not committed treason
637
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:33,880
to something or someone
more important than a country?
638
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,559
They never understand it, do they?
639
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,680
They never know what it costs.
640
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,920
The sordid tricks
of lying and deceiving.
641
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,080
The isolation
from ordinary people.
642
00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:56,799
They think you can run
on their kind of fuel,
643
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,160
the flag-waving and the music.
644
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,799
But you need a different kind
of fuel, don't you?
645
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,320
When you're alone.
646
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:07,960
You've got to hate.
647
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,200
And it needs strength
to hate all the time.
648
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:17,719
And what you must love
is so remote, so vague...
649
00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:19,520
when you're not a part of it.
650
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,079
What I worry about is
the Americans weaponising
651
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:31,520
American intelligence access
for political ends.
652
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,719
Back in 1973,
653
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:37,799
the Nixon administration
and Henry Kissinger
654
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,079
were becoming increasingly alarmed
by their perception
655
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,559
that the Brits were getting
too friendly with Europe.
656
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,039
And Kissinger and Nixon
had been saying to Heath,
657
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,679
"You know, just slow down
on European integration,
658
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,279
the European project,"
and Heath wasn't listening.
659
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,479
Kissinger picked up the phone
to the NSA and said,
660
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,439
"Can you just stop sharing
priceless NSA intelligence
661
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,439
with the Brits until
these people in Downing Street
662
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,919
start singing from our hymnal."
663
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,599
My worry is that Trump
will say to NSA,
664
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,919
maybe Britain is doing something
that Trump is not happy about,
665
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,319
my worry is that he will try
to whip us into shape
666
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,759
by saying to the director of NSA,
667
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:22,120
"Yeah, let's, um...
let's just turn the tap off."
668
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,319
Ukraine's successful
intelligence-led drone attack
669
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,559
on a large section
of Russia's bomber fleet,
670
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,519
previously bombing the Ukraine,
671
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:37,079
both may change the nature
of defence, armaments of warfare
672
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,679
and present an almost Bond-
and Q-like ability,
673
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,079
to make
brilliantly conceived gadgets,
674
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,599
combined with total intelligence,
675
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,919
more effective than
billion-pound aircraft carriers,
676
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,960
wings of attack
aircraft and big armies.
677
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,279
Intelligence and the nature
of warfare are changing.
678
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,519
Israeli intelligence created
5,000 exploding pagers
679
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,839
with deadly effect.
680
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,639
Ukraine's president,
Zelensky's father
681
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:12,479
is one of Europe's leading experts
in computing and cybernetics.
682
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,319
It is hard not to wonder if,
683
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,439
with the possible help of MI6
684
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,879
and President Biden's
intelligence-fed information,
685
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,839
that the Zelenskys
created an extraordinary
686
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,439
intelligence-led military coup
687
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,920
when Ukraine successfully attacked
Russia's bomber fleet.
688
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,519
World events
and personal political opinions
689
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:38,560
are being weaponised by both
benign and malevolent state actors.
690
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,799
In the real geopolitical world
691
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,399
of increasing
international conflict,
692
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,479
the breakup of the post-war
settlement and NATO consensus,
693
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,319
an apparent new Cold War,
694
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,199
continuing conflict and destruction
in the Middle East,
695
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,039
the rise of China,
696
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:01,080
the real world of intelligence
becomes increasingly important.
697
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,079
There is the possibility in the West
of the Five Eyes
698
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,559
intelligence-sharing arrangements
breaking down.
699
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,279
In short,
all the familiar patterns of spying
700
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,000
and secret intelligence
are changing.
701
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,399
The worlds
of appearance and reality,
702
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:20,879
of public and private,
703
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:25,840
of the fiction and the real
geopolitical world are merging.
704
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:19,880
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