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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:07,120 [reel buzzing and whirring] 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:14,360 [foreboding music] 3 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:21,340 [heart beating] 4 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:29,150 [music intensifies to threatening] 5 00:00:32,450 --> 00:00:35,620 [muffled chopper blades chuffing] 6 00:00:40,020 --> 00:00:44,660 [dramatic sting] 7 00:00:44,660 --> 00:00:49,330 [music fades] 8 00:00:53,100 --> 00:00:59,080 [retro electronic buzz] 9 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:04,350 [reel buzzing and whirring] 10 00:01:04,850 --> 00:01:10,650 [monochrome era jingle playing] 11 00:01:15,690 --> 00:01:18,060 [somber music] 12 00:01:18,060 --> 00:01:21,860 [Male Narrator] Between 2018 and 2022, 13 00:01:21,860 --> 00:01:23,630 three actresses were murdered 14 00:01:23,630 --> 00:01:26,240 during production of the film Dissident 15 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,570 by an individual known as The Hollywood Killer. 16 00:01:32,010 --> 00:01:36,850 THK attempted a fourth murder on actress Audrey Evans, 17 00:01:36,850 --> 00:01:40,020 who escaped and went on to finish the film. 18 00:01:40,420 --> 00:01:42,750 The only evidence that exists 19 00:01:42,750 --> 00:01:46,620 is the footage of the murders that THK filmed 20 00:01:46,620 --> 00:01:50,160 and outtakes from the film Dissident. 21 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,800 The case remains unsolved. 22 00:01:53,730 --> 00:01:58,230 [music continues] 23 00:02:05,710 --> 00:02:11,550 [unsettling music] 24 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,100 Killing isn't as scary as it sounds. 25 00:02:30,700 --> 00:02:34,940 When you do it enough, you actually start to enjoy it. 26 00:02:37,740 --> 00:02:40,210 Cut, don't move, stay there. Dustin, 27 00:02:40,210 --> 00:02:41,580 I got a question for you. 28 00:02:41,580 --> 00:02:43,710 - Are you a killer? - Yes. 29 00:02:43,710 --> 00:02:45,580 Yeah? Let me see your eyes. I can't see them. 30 00:02:45,580 --> 00:02:47,620 Look at me. Are you a killer? 31 00:02:47,620 --> 00:02:49,520 - Yes. - Go back over there. 32 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:50,850 - Are you a fucking killer? - Yes. 33 00:02:50,850 --> 00:02:52,450 That's crazy 'cause I don't fucking believe you. 34 00:02:52,450 --> 00:02:53,660 - Are you a killer? - Yes. 35 00:02:53,660 --> 00:02:54,890 - Are you a killer? - [aggressively] Yes. 36 00:02:54,890 --> 00:02:55,820 - You're a killer? - Yes! 37 00:02:55,820 --> 00:02:57,130 - You're gonna kill for me? - [tensed] Yes. 38 00:02:57,130 --> 00:02:58,030 - You're gonna kill for me? - Yes. 39 00:02:58,030 --> 00:02:59,730 Okay. Wait. 40 00:02:59,730 --> 00:03:01,330 - Roll camera. - [Man] [indistinct]. 41 00:03:01,330 --> 00:03:02,670 [Director] You a killer, Dustin? 42 00:03:02,670 --> 00:03:03,900 [brooding] Yes. 43 00:03:03,900 --> 00:03:05,230 [Director] Action. 44 00:03:07,500 --> 00:03:10,540 Killing isn't as scary as it sounds. 45 00:03:11,110 --> 00:03:15,480 When you do it enough, you actually start to enjoy it. 46 00:03:17,310 --> 00:03:25,990 [classical strings music] 47 00:03:29,830 --> 00:03:37,730 [music obscures into eerie and triumphant] 48 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:09,530 [abstract piano music] 49 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,430 [Thomas] My name is Thomas Scott. 50 00:04:12,430 --> 00:04:14,300 I'm a former FBI agent. 51 00:04:14,300 --> 00:04:15,800 And when I was at the Bureau, 52 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:20,480 I had the highest success rate of any profiler in history. 53 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,280 I caught every single serial killer 54 00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:25,950 I ever chased, except for one. 55 00:04:26,220 --> 00:04:29,350 This one, The Hollywood Killer. 56 00:04:29,620 --> 00:04:32,660 Also known as THK, he became famous 57 00:04:32,660 --> 00:04:35,660 because of the cinematic nature of his crimes. 58 00:04:35,660 --> 00:04:40,200 He was the first serial killer ever to film the murders 59 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,100 and upload them to the Internet. 60 00:04:42,100 --> 00:04:44,630 But why is he so hard to catch? 61 00:04:44,630 --> 00:04:47,200 Is it the lack of evidence? No. 62 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,570 I've solved plenty of cases with very little evidence. 63 00:04:50,570 --> 00:04:53,540 The real challenge lies in the unconventional 64 00:04:53,540 --> 00:04:56,050 and peculiar nature of the suspects. 65 00:04:56,050 --> 00:04:57,210 And let me just say, 66 00:04:57,210 --> 00:05:01,080 this is the strangest group of suspects I've ever seen. 67 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:02,580 Christopher Pace, 68 00:05:02,580 --> 00:05:04,490 the writer and director of Dissident 69 00:05:04,490 --> 00:05:06,560 and a six-time Oscar winner. 70 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:07,860 Lawrence Hughes, 71 00:05:07,860 --> 00:05:11,390 one of the most respected actors in the world. 72 00:05:12,030 --> 00:05:13,100 Tedd Mankiewicz, 73 00:05:13,100 --> 00:05:16,030 the most powerful manager in Hollywood. 74 00:05:16,030 --> 00:05:20,200 Dustin Scott, a former teen heartthrob. 75 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:21,700 And Melvin Asher, 76 00:05:21,700 --> 00:05:25,540 the biggest box office star ever. 77 00:05:25,540 --> 00:05:28,640 And one of them could be responsible for the murders 78 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,750 of three of the most famous actresses in history. 79 00:05:31,750 --> 00:05:36,590 Ava Bergman, Barbera Ball, and Greata Daniels. 80 00:05:36,890 --> 00:05:39,860 It's important to understand what connects everyone. 81 00:05:39,860 --> 00:05:41,860 And the thing that links the suspects, 82 00:05:41,860 --> 00:05:45,730 the victims, and the killer all together 83 00:05:45,730 --> 00:05:47,330 is the film Dissident, 84 00:05:47,330 --> 00:05:51,600 a film which has made history for a variety of reasons. 85 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,400 The first being that the original director, 86 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,270 Christopher Demy, did something 87 00:05:56,270 --> 00:05:57,970 that he had never done before, 88 00:05:57,970 --> 00:05:59,980 that no one had ever done before. 89 00:05:59,980 --> 00:06:02,480 He was going to let the cameras roll 90 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,350 when no one knew they were rolling. 91 00:06:04,350 --> 00:06:08,350 The only people that knew was the guy who loads the film 92 00:06:08,350 --> 00:06:10,150 and Ivan who's shooting the film. 93 00:06:10,150 --> 00:06:12,490 The writer didn't know. The actors didn't know. 94 00:06:12,490 --> 00:06:13,690 No one else knew. 95 00:06:13,690 --> 00:06:16,790 All of the outtakes have become evidence 96 00:06:16,790 --> 00:06:20,500 in the largest murder case in history. 97 00:06:20,500 --> 00:06:22,660 So Demy, right at the beginning of the project, 98 00:06:22,660 --> 00:06:24,430 instructed me very clearly 99 00:06:24,430 --> 00:06:27,400 that the camera was never to be cut. 100 00:06:27,670 --> 00:06:31,670 And, at first, it sounded very strange. 101 00:06:31,670 --> 00:06:33,440 I've never done that before. 102 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,780 I've shot everything in my life. 103 00:06:35,780 --> 00:06:39,650 But not cutting a camera just makes no sense. 104 00:06:39,650 --> 00:06:43,190 Now, he was right because what he was after 105 00:06:43,190 --> 00:06:47,190 was the magic that happens in between the shots, 106 00:06:47,190 --> 00:06:48,560 in between the takes. 107 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:53,260 So this film shot the most feet of film 108 00:06:53,260 --> 00:06:54,500 ever in history. 109 00:06:54,500 --> 00:06:56,500 The logistic is complicated, 110 00:06:56,500 --> 00:06:58,630 but the camera was never to cut. 111 00:06:58,630 --> 00:07:02,040 So everything was rolling at all times. 112 00:07:03,670 --> 00:07:05,840 [Thomas] So how do you feel about the fact 113 00:07:05,840 --> 00:07:08,980 that the cameras were rolling the whole time? 114 00:07:09,610 --> 00:07:14,650 Uh, you know, I think it's ultimately, uh, irrelevant, 115 00:07:14,650 --> 00:07:16,690 how do I feel. 116 00:07:16,690 --> 00:07:18,920 Uh, clearly, I'm not a performer. 117 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,020 It's not what I get enjoyment or pleasure out of. 118 00:07:22,020 --> 00:07:24,560 So I think that there's this misconception 119 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,700 about the way that I conduct myself 120 00:07:26,700 --> 00:07:28,600 is, in and of itself, a performance 121 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,700 that I was aware that the cameras were rolling. 122 00:07:31,700 --> 00:07:33,540 Uh, nothing could be further from the truth. 123 00:07:33,540 --> 00:07:35,070 Uh, unfortunately, what you are getting 124 00:07:35,070 --> 00:07:39,880 is, um, unadulterated, uh, reality. 125 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,780 You are getting me as I am in those moments. 126 00:07:42,780 --> 00:07:43,950 Or I will make the blood 127 00:07:43,950 --> 00:07:45,450 come out of your fucking mouth for real. 128 00:07:45,450 --> 00:07:46,580 You got it. 129 00:07:46,580 --> 00:07:47,450 [Christopher] You ever bled like this? 130 00:07:47,450 --> 00:07:48,820 You.. Yeah. 131 00:07:48,820 --> 00:07:50,120 - Yeah? You bled like this? - You already got it. 132 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,750 Think about the last time you bled like this, okay? 133 00:07:52,750 --> 00:07:54,860 Think about it. Just think about it, okay? 134 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,190 Again. Come on! 135 00:07:57,190 --> 00:08:00,060 [panicked breathing] 136 00:08:00,060 --> 00:08:01,930 - Yeah? Uh-huh. No, no! - Okay, can I go? 137 00:08:01,930 --> 00:08:04,530 [Christopher] You got to stop running away from it, okay? 138 00:08:04,530 --> 00:08:07,100 Don't be afraid of it! Stay with it! 139 00:08:07,100 --> 00:08:08,200 Again! 140 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:09,840 [panicked breathing] 141 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:11,340 - [Christopher] Uh-huh. - Okay-- 142 00:08:11,340 --> 00:08:13,640 No, no. It looks like you're going to have a fucking orgasm. 143 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:14,840 Thank you, guys! 144 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:16,580 [Christopher] Get back down in the blood! 145 00:08:16,580 --> 00:08:17,810 Get the fuck back in the blood! 146 00:08:17,810 --> 00:08:19,350 - [Greata] Bye! - Greata, I swear to God! 147 00:08:19,350 --> 00:08:20,750 Come back here! 148 00:08:20,750 --> 00:08:23,650 If any of us knew the cameras were rolling at all times, 149 00:08:23,650 --> 00:08:25,890 none of us would have acted the way we did. 150 00:08:25,890 --> 00:08:28,560 I'm excited that all this footage exists, 151 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,060 because it shows you the hell 152 00:08:31,060 --> 00:08:34,560 that we go through just to entertain people. 153 00:08:34,560 --> 00:08:37,270 - Marty? Marty! - [Marty] Yeah. 154 00:08:37,270 --> 00:08:38,400 Listen to me. 155 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,300 I can feel your effort 156 00:08:40,300 --> 00:08:43,840 to drive straight through the rubber and aluminum. 157 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:45,540 Do not drive like an actor, Marty! 158 00:08:45,540 --> 00:08:46,780 [Actress] Hold the window. 159 00:08:46,780 --> 00:08:48,310 - Do not drive like an actor! - [Actress] Go away! 160 00:08:48,310 --> 00:08:50,250 - Drive like a fucking man! - [Actress] Go away! 161 00:08:50,250 --> 00:08:52,350 Drive like a man! 162 00:08:52,350 --> 00:08:53,620 In the history of movie making, 163 00:08:53,620 --> 00:08:54,850 I've never seen anything like this happen. 164 00:08:54,850 --> 00:08:58,020 I mean, I've made 218 movies. 165 00:08:58,020 --> 00:09:00,760 I've filmed in 40 countries in the world. 166 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:06,230 I've had six fucking wives, and this is unprecedented. 167 00:09:06,630 --> 00:09:08,600 You can't talk about Hollywood lore 168 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,870 without talking about three films. 169 00:09:11,130 --> 00:09:15,240 Apocalypse Now, The Wizard of Oz, and Dissident. 170 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,940 But to understand why Dissident is on that list, 171 00:09:18,940 --> 00:09:21,480 we have to meet the original architect, 172 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:22,680 Christopher Demy. 173 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:23,910 [Thomas] Can you tell me a little bit 174 00:09:23,910 --> 00:09:26,110 about who you are and what you do? 175 00:09:28,680 --> 00:09:30,120 I'm an auteur. 176 00:09:30,950 --> 00:09:32,090 You know what that means? 177 00:09:32,090 --> 00:09:35,090 That means someone who has a clear vision 178 00:09:35,090 --> 00:09:37,530 of the kind of films they want to make. 179 00:09:37,530 --> 00:09:39,860 And the films I make are big, 180 00:09:39,860 --> 00:09:42,160 and people seem to like them. 181 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,330 [Thomas] Demy is one of the top-grossing directors 182 00:09:44,330 --> 00:09:45,570 of all time, 183 00:09:45,570 --> 00:09:47,740 but Dissident was written by one 184 00:09:47,740 --> 00:09:49,770 of the hottest screenwriters in the world, 185 00:09:49,770 --> 00:09:51,310 Christopher Pace. 186 00:09:51,310 --> 00:09:54,910 So I was excited to ask Pace what he thought about Demy. 187 00:09:54,910 --> 00:09:56,680 He's a lost little boy. 188 00:09:56,680 --> 00:10:00,520 Um, still playing with toys, 189 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,950 believing that big explosions 190 00:10:04,950 --> 00:10:08,120 and, uh, rotating cameras 191 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,930 and putting things in reverse make a film. 192 00:10:11,930 --> 00:10:15,260 He is an artist in search of art. 193 00:10:15,260 --> 00:10:18,030 Um, I don't know what to say about that. 194 00:10:18,030 --> 00:10:23,610 I will let the hearsay, the pundits, the Internet, 195 00:10:23,610 --> 00:10:27,240 your mama, say whatever they want to say. 196 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:28,780 I know who I am. 197 00:10:29,140 --> 00:10:32,050 It's easy to say they're not fans of each other. 198 00:10:32,050 --> 00:10:34,680 Maybe the biggest issue between them was the fact 199 00:10:34,680 --> 00:10:36,550 that Demy kept the cameras rolling 200 00:10:36,550 --> 00:10:38,250 without Pace's knowledge. 201 00:10:38,250 --> 00:10:40,890 Pace claimed that Demy used the controversy 202 00:10:40,890 --> 00:10:42,920 around the outtakes and their feud 203 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,860 to turn the film into a social commentary. 204 00:10:45,860 --> 00:10:48,600 So I asked him, "What does it mean?" 205 00:10:48,860 --> 00:10:50,700 Everyone wants to know, "What does it mean? 206 00:10:50,700 --> 00:10:52,470 What does it mean?" 207 00:10:52,770 --> 00:10:54,670 It's whatever the fuck you want it to mean. 208 00:10:54,670 --> 00:10:55,900 It's like, what the fuck? 209 00:10:55,900 --> 00:10:57,670 I'm not supposed to do all the work for you. 210 00:10:57,670 --> 00:10:58,970 I'm supposed to lay out the art. 211 00:10:58,970 --> 00:11:00,710 I know what the fuck I know what it means, 212 00:11:00,710 --> 00:11:02,340 but people, "But wait, was it this?" 213 00:11:02,340 --> 00:11:04,480 They stop me on the street. I can't go to Starbucks. 214 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,580 "Hi, hey, Chris, is it this?" 215 00:11:06,580 --> 00:11:07,750 I'm like, "I don't know." 216 00:11:07,750 --> 00:11:09,450 It could mean female independence. 217 00:11:09,450 --> 00:11:10,820 It could mean liberation. 218 00:11:10,820 --> 00:11:13,390 It could mean, uh, deconstructive masculinity. 219 00:11:13,390 --> 00:11:14,690 You name it. 220 00:11:14,690 --> 00:11:16,390 Whatever it is, that's what I'm happy with. 221 00:11:16,390 --> 00:11:19,330 I create the art. You create the interpretation. 222 00:11:19,330 --> 00:11:23,300 All I know is that what I did on this film 223 00:11:23,300 --> 00:11:25,370 will be deconstructed, 224 00:11:25,370 --> 00:11:30,570 and reinterpreted, and pondered for many, many years 225 00:11:30,570 --> 00:11:33,380 in film schools across this land. 226 00:11:33,380 --> 00:11:37,280 I was there the day Demy walked away from the film. 227 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:39,350 It was the day that I would never forget 228 00:11:39,350 --> 00:11:42,680 and it was the day that changed the film forever. 229 00:11:42,680 --> 00:11:43,950 The phone booth day. 230 00:11:43,950 --> 00:11:45,890 Listen to me, Demy! How about that? 231 00:11:45,890 --> 00:11:47,320 How about if I just talked to you 232 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,320 and told you that I am not a writer, 233 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,960 nor am I a hero? I am the fucking devil! 234 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:52,990 Yeah, two Oscars. 235 00:11:52,990 --> 00:11:54,930 I melted 'em down into a pen 236 00:11:54,930 --> 00:11:56,800 and I wrote this fucking script with it! 237 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,100 I don't give a fuck about your Oscars! 238 00:11:58,100 --> 00:12:00,940 And if you could honestly tell me that this scene, 239 00:12:00,940 --> 00:12:02,840 the way it's going, the way he's doing it, 240 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,570 isn't fucking dog shit, then I will walk away 241 00:12:05,570 --> 00:12:07,140 and let you piss all over my dream. 242 00:12:07,140 --> 00:12:10,810 I won't shoot until you get down on your knees and pray to me. 243 00:12:11,950 --> 00:12:14,380 You want to get a new phone booth in here, maybe? 244 00:12:14,380 --> 00:12:15,420 So after we wrap tonight, 245 00:12:15,420 --> 00:12:17,850 I'm going to come to your fucking hotel room, 246 00:12:17,850 --> 00:12:19,550 room 246, 247 00:12:19,550 --> 00:12:22,690 and I will beat you until you fucking love me! 248 00:12:22,690 --> 00:12:23,730 [Demy] You're not a fucking... 249 00:12:23,730 --> 00:12:25,130 You see that? That was... 250 00:12:25,130 --> 00:12:26,430 [Demy] You're fucking trash. 251 00:12:26,430 --> 00:12:28,360 You fucking ingest it over and over again 252 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,000 while I'm throwing the fuck up on you. 253 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,270 I'm fucking vomiting it all back to you! 254 00:12:32,270 --> 00:12:34,940 You're fucked up! That's not fucking art! 255 00:12:34,940 --> 00:12:37,840 Fuck you! Fuck you! 256 00:12:38,510 --> 00:12:41,480 Oh, in the beginning, Demy and Pace were a dream team. 257 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,180 They were great. They got along really well. 258 00:12:44,180 --> 00:12:48,320 But, you know, even Pippen talks shit on Jordan now. 259 00:12:49,580 --> 00:12:50,650 I hate this man. 260 00:12:50,650 --> 00:12:51,850 - Mm-hmm. - I would love to beat him. 261 00:12:51,850 --> 00:12:53,560 The only reason I can't is because of... 262 00:12:53,560 --> 00:12:55,290 Well, some obscure DJ law, you're not supposed 263 00:12:55,290 --> 00:12:57,890 to fucking kick the shit out of [indistinct] 264 00:12:57,890 --> 00:12:59,800 Um, this is an awful environment, 265 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:01,400 and I apologize for that. 266 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,800 [Martin] The moment Pace walked into that phone booth 267 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,400 was the moment Demy walked off set. 268 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:08,870 Forever. 269 00:13:08,870 --> 00:13:11,640 When Demy quit, Hollywood was riddled 270 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,840 with speculation as to why this massive director 271 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,650 would walk from such a big movie. 272 00:13:19,050 --> 00:13:21,980 Those people have no idea where I come from 273 00:13:21,980 --> 00:13:23,650 and the kind of worlds that I create 274 00:13:23,650 --> 00:13:25,450 and the kind of sets that I create. 275 00:13:25,450 --> 00:13:27,920 The real reason why I quit is because I just couldn't take 276 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:29,420 working with Pace. 277 00:13:29,420 --> 00:13:30,790 So I left the film, 278 00:13:30,790 --> 00:13:34,230 and the press labeled me as a monster. 279 00:13:34,230 --> 00:13:36,360 You know, I'm not even gonna name the monsters, 280 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,100 but there are many monsters in this industry 281 00:13:38,100 --> 00:13:40,770 and I'm definitely not one of them. 282 00:13:41,070 --> 00:13:42,970 At this point, we were three weeks behind schedule 283 00:13:42,970 --> 00:13:45,370 after two weeks of shooting. 284 00:13:45,370 --> 00:13:46,910 You do that math. 285 00:13:46,910 --> 00:13:48,510 I knew from the first production meeting 286 00:13:48,510 --> 00:13:51,580 that Pace and Demy would never be able to work together. 287 00:13:51,580 --> 00:13:54,250 The only one who understands Dissident is Pace. 288 00:13:54,650 --> 00:13:56,950 [Christopher] You'll never be able to understand Dissident 289 00:13:56,950 --> 00:13:58,990 without understanding a theatrical technique 290 00:13:58,990 --> 00:14:00,790 called theater of cruelty. 291 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:02,790 That is what Dissident is. 292 00:14:02,790 --> 00:14:04,630 Dissident is theater of cruelty. 293 00:14:04,630 --> 00:14:08,030 The principle conceit of theater of cruelty 294 00:14:08,030 --> 00:14:10,900 was to create theatrical pieces 295 00:14:10,900 --> 00:14:12,300 that were so shocking, 296 00:14:12,300 --> 00:14:15,840 that were so upsetting, grotesque, uh, and powerful 297 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,140 that the audience did not have the opportunity to think. 298 00:14:19,140 --> 00:14:22,210 They had nothing to do but live, but to exist, 299 00:14:22,210 --> 00:14:24,180 but to experience what they were seeing. 300 00:14:24,180 --> 00:14:26,650 I told Demy, just like I told Mocker, 301 00:14:26,650 --> 00:14:28,320 just like I told Mankiewicz, 302 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,190 that nobody could shoot this movie but me. 303 00:14:30,190 --> 00:14:32,890 And yet Demy, finding himself 304 00:14:32,890 --> 00:14:34,920 caught between the Scylla and Charybdis, 305 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,290 the crashing rocks of my creation 306 00:14:38,290 --> 00:14:41,830 and the sea monster of trying to interpret it, 307 00:14:41,830 --> 00:14:45,770 he realizes that he's drowning and he starts a fight with me. 308 00:14:46,230 --> 00:14:49,000 He wanted a reason to walk off that set. 309 00:14:50,670 --> 00:14:52,770 And I gave it to him. 310 00:14:53,170 --> 00:14:55,880 So when Demy quit before he walked out of the set, 311 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,180 he pulled me aside and he made me promise 312 00:14:59,180 --> 00:15:03,180 that I would keep rolling the camera in between takes. 313 00:15:03,490 --> 00:15:04,790 So I did. 314 00:15:04,790 --> 00:15:06,320 We started working together. 315 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,190 You said one thing, you said, "I make it look good," okay? 316 00:15:08,190 --> 00:15:09,390 But this does not look good. 317 00:15:09,390 --> 00:15:10,960 You don't let me make it look good. 318 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:12,560 I don't let you? How could I stop you? 319 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:13,560 You choose the lenses. 320 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:15,830 Of course I'm gonna choose the lenses. 321 00:15:15,830 --> 00:15:17,870 This is my fucking film. It is my job. 322 00:15:17,870 --> 00:15:19,370 - It's my lens, though. - No, no, no. 323 00:15:19,370 --> 00:15:21,900 I feel like you really struggle with object permanence, okay? 324 00:15:21,900 --> 00:15:23,540 It's not your lens. 325 00:15:23,540 --> 00:15:27,340 What Demy didn't know when he asked Ivan to do this 326 00:15:27,340 --> 00:15:30,710 was that this footage would lead to Christopher Pace 327 00:15:30,710 --> 00:15:34,180 being a murder suspect and would soon be part 328 00:15:34,180 --> 00:15:37,120 of one of the largest murder investigations 329 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:38,920 in Hollywood history. 330 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,160 But let's start with Pace taking over 331 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,790 as the director of Dissident. 332 00:15:43,790 --> 00:15:44,930 You're here, right? 333 00:15:44,930 --> 00:15:46,860 Like this and then boom, like that. 334 00:15:46,860 --> 00:15:48,130 - Did you see me? - Yeah. 335 00:15:48,130 --> 00:15:50,500 But it's a motion! It comes up! 336 00:15:50,500 --> 00:15:51,500 Ow! 337 00:15:51,500 --> 00:15:54,440 I still remember the day that Pace took over. 338 00:15:54,870 --> 00:15:56,870 It is a day that will live in infamy 339 00:15:56,870 --> 00:15:59,640 as the worst day of my life. 340 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:01,710 Give me your hand. This one, right here. 341 00:16:01,710 --> 00:16:02,580 - All right, ready? - Yeah. 342 00:16:02,580 --> 00:16:03,950 - Put your finger out like that. - Yeah. 343 00:16:03,950 --> 00:16:05,810 All right? Now I want you to poke me. 344 00:16:05,810 --> 00:16:06,920 Poke me. Come on. Poke me. 345 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:08,580 - Yeah, there we go. Uh-huh. - Mm-hmm. 346 00:16:08,580 --> 00:16:10,150 - It's getting difficult, right? - Yeah. 347 00:16:10,150 --> 00:16:11,690 - Why don't you fucking poke me? - [grunts aggressively] 348 00:16:11,690 --> 00:16:12,720 Right? Okay. 349 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,490 Now I want you to ask me to do the same thing. 350 00:16:15,490 --> 00:16:18,230 I want you to poke me. Ah, fucker! 351 00:16:18,230 --> 00:16:20,000 - Stop trying to win, Dustin. - God damn. 352 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,500 And fucking listen to me. 353 00:16:21,900 --> 00:16:23,770 Pace made my life a living hell. 354 00:16:23,770 --> 00:16:26,370 I remember getting a call from Dustin's manager 355 00:16:26,370 --> 00:16:29,140 saying that he was trying to kill him with a helicopter. 356 00:16:29,140 --> 00:16:37,450 [triumphant music] 357 00:16:37,750 --> 00:16:39,050 Personally, I thought 358 00:16:39,050 --> 00:16:41,020 the helicopter should have been closer, 359 00:16:41,020 --> 00:16:44,050 but the film industry is full of pussies. 360 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:48,020 Pace is one of the smartest directors out there. 361 00:16:48,020 --> 00:16:51,030 He knows everything about everything in film. 362 00:16:51,030 --> 00:16:52,430 He did his homework. 363 00:16:52,430 --> 00:16:55,200 He's a contemporary of Tarantino in that way. 364 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,100 He's younger, but he's as smart, 365 00:16:57,100 --> 00:16:59,230 and he has a really, really deep perception. 366 00:16:59,230 --> 00:17:01,640 He used the neorealist aspect 367 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:07,480 in order to reinvent cinema from himself. 368 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,210 And here's something that Pace said to me at one point, 369 00:17:10,210 --> 00:17:11,580 which I think is interesting. 370 00:17:11,580 --> 00:17:13,650 There's a quote from Chaplin, famous quote. 371 00:17:13,650 --> 00:17:18,320 Life when viewed in close-up is a tragedy, 372 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,690 and in long shot, it is a, uh, a comedy. 373 00:17:21,690 --> 00:17:24,360 Pace said to me, "Chaplin got it wrong. 374 00:17:24,360 --> 00:17:26,130 "In close-up, it's a comedy. 375 00:17:26,130 --> 00:17:29,230 In long shot, that's when it's a tragedy." 376 00:17:29,230 --> 00:17:30,930 The thing that people don't realize 377 00:17:30,930 --> 00:17:32,430 is they're just playing checkers. 378 00:17:32,430 --> 00:17:35,300 Pace is playing four-dimensional chess. 379 00:17:35,300 --> 00:17:36,870 [Christopher] Okay, Zeus, I need you 380 00:17:36,870 --> 00:17:39,070 in conversation with the wind. 381 00:17:39,070 --> 00:17:41,140 I want you to think about, uh, 382 00:17:41,140 --> 00:17:43,380 it's like My Dinner with Andre. 383 00:17:43,380 --> 00:17:46,110 Give me Wallace Shawn! 384 00:17:46,110 --> 00:17:48,350 That's beautiful! Beautiful work. 385 00:17:48,350 --> 00:17:50,990 Okay, Audrey, I want you to know 386 00:17:50,990 --> 00:17:52,650 that the helicopter pilot 387 00:17:52,650 --> 00:17:56,460 has a better understanding of human emotion than you do. 388 00:17:56,460 --> 00:17:58,730 You're a titan of banality! 389 00:17:58,730 --> 00:18:01,830 Hey, you know what, Ivan? Ivan, I don't... 390 00:18:01,830 --> 00:18:04,070 Just film something. I don't even care anymore. 391 00:18:04,070 --> 00:18:05,600 Just shoot it. 392 00:18:05,900 --> 00:18:10,170 Every director has their tactic, their, their method. 393 00:18:10,170 --> 00:18:13,410 And Pace says he's a Meisner guy, 394 00:18:13,410 --> 00:18:14,610 and he's really method, 395 00:18:14,610 --> 00:18:17,680 and he likes to exist in the, the situation. 396 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,520 But, really, his tactics are a lot like Mein Kampf, 397 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:22,920 you know, like, like Hitler. 398 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,990 Like, he's the son of Hitler, I'm pretty sure. 399 00:18:25,990 --> 00:18:29,660 We get these constant comparisons 400 00:18:29,660 --> 00:18:35,460 to the Fourth Reich, to the Nazis, to Hitler. 401 00:18:35,460 --> 00:18:38,300 Um, when these comparisons are made, 402 00:18:38,300 --> 00:18:39,770 it's about methodology, right? 403 00:18:39,770 --> 00:18:41,670 Because the prevailing mythology 404 00:18:41,670 --> 00:18:45,470 around the fascists is, yes, they were awful, 405 00:18:45,470 --> 00:18:48,080 yes, they were brutes, yes, they were genocidal, 406 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,380 but the trains ran on time, but they got things done. 407 00:18:51,380 --> 00:18:54,750 So I get this comparison, I assume, 408 00:18:54,750 --> 00:18:57,320 because the idea is that I am brutal, 409 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:58,650 but I get things done. 410 00:18:58,650 --> 00:19:03,260 Well, I get things done not because of cruelty, 411 00:19:03,260 --> 00:19:07,930 not because I am willing to wipe out people 412 00:19:07,930 --> 00:19:10,270 in order to accomplish my goals, no, no, no. 413 00:19:10,270 --> 00:19:13,970 It is perpetual motion. It is Oppenheim. 414 00:19:13,970 --> 00:19:15,500 I am become death. 415 00:19:15,770 --> 00:19:18,270 Because once something has, uh, begun, 416 00:19:18,270 --> 00:19:20,340 once, once the ball is rolling, 417 00:19:20,340 --> 00:19:22,980 it has to reach its conclusion. 418 00:19:23,340 --> 00:19:25,680 And that is, that is how I work. 419 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,550 Once I have begun, uh, I will not be stopped. 420 00:19:29,980 --> 00:19:32,090 This is not about you. You know what is about you? 421 00:19:32,090 --> 00:19:33,960 This moment, this scene, okay? 422 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:35,260 So I want you to focus on that. 423 00:19:35,260 --> 00:19:36,930 I don't give a shit about anything else around it. 424 00:19:36,930 --> 00:19:38,130 No, no, no. This. 425 00:19:38,130 --> 00:19:39,360 You know why I put the gloves on? 426 00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:40,530 - No. - So that I can hurt you 427 00:19:40,530 --> 00:19:42,230 without leaving marks on my skin. 428 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,000 Pace didn't care what the scene was. 429 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,970 I mean, hell, he'd have walked in on the birth of Christ 430 00:19:47,970 --> 00:19:49,300 and given Mary instructions 431 00:19:49,300 --> 00:19:51,940 how she could do it better and with more meaning. 432 00:19:51,940 --> 00:19:53,310 You know what, Dustin? 433 00:19:53,310 --> 00:19:55,380 I've been watching the monitor and it seems to me 434 00:19:55,380 --> 00:19:57,250 that you're starting to perspire. 435 00:19:57,250 --> 00:19:59,410 Does that seem accurate to you? 436 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,350 I'm having an issue with the sweat. 437 00:20:01,350 --> 00:20:02,550 I need you to stop that. 438 00:20:02,550 --> 00:20:04,350 I mean, for us, a cut was never a cut. 439 00:20:04,350 --> 00:20:06,690 We just kept the camera rolling all the time 440 00:20:06,690 --> 00:20:08,160 because we got some great stuff, 441 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,860 because Pace was compelling people 442 00:20:09,860 --> 00:20:12,790 to do things they might not have wanted to do. 443 00:20:13,130 --> 00:20:17,470 Yeah, Pace had a way of taking anything and everything 444 00:20:17,470 --> 00:20:18,800 that brought you joy 445 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:20,800 and just drowning it in darkness. 446 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:22,440 - Are you crying? - No, I'm not crying-- 447 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,110 No, no, no. No, no. There's no crying. 448 00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:26,640 There's no crying in filmmaking! 449 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,580 No! There's no crying in film! 450 00:20:28,580 --> 00:20:31,480 There is crying on film! On film, never in film. 451 00:20:32,550 --> 00:20:35,620 What I say to my actors 452 00:20:37,420 --> 00:20:39,190 is between us. 453 00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:42,090 It has no bearing on anything 454 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,390 but what you see in that frame. 455 00:20:45,860 --> 00:20:47,660 There's a lot of tension between you guys. 456 00:20:47,660 --> 00:20:49,030 [loud helicopter chuffing] 457 00:20:49,030 --> 00:20:51,470 Normally that would be okay. In this section, not good. 458 00:20:51,470 --> 00:20:53,530 Okay? So I need you to release the tension. 459 00:20:53,530 --> 00:20:54,900 At the end of the next take, 460 00:20:54,900 --> 00:20:58,010 I just want the two of you guys to just have sex, okay? 461 00:20:58,010 --> 00:20:59,410 And we're gonna film it, 462 00:20:59,410 --> 00:21:01,480 but be prepared to stop and start 463 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,310 because I will have adjustments specifically for you. 464 00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:06,310 Hey, pay attention, okay? 465 00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:08,450 Pace is one of the most mysterious people 466 00:21:08,450 --> 00:21:09,620 I've ever investigated. 467 00:21:09,620 --> 00:21:12,190 He's an orphan with no family, 468 00:21:12,190 --> 00:21:15,420 no friends, and no discernible past. 469 00:21:15,420 --> 00:21:19,460 In fact, the only person we could find to interview 470 00:21:19,460 --> 00:21:22,200 who knew him before he was famous 471 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:23,730 was his college roommate. 472 00:21:24,900 --> 00:21:26,330 My name is Randall Birch. 473 00:21:26,330 --> 00:21:27,740 I'm a Tony Award-winning actor. 474 00:21:27,740 --> 00:21:30,370 That means I perform on the stage. 475 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,570 And Christopher Pace was my college roommate. 476 00:21:33,570 --> 00:21:36,410 I would describe living with Christopher Pace 477 00:21:36,410 --> 00:21:41,220 as, as a FOG: Fear, Obligation, Guilt. 478 00:21:41,220 --> 00:21:44,190 He was masterful at getting anyone 479 00:21:44,190 --> 00:21:45,690 besides myself, I would say, 480 00:21:45,690 --> 00:21:49,860 to do exactly what he wanted, no matter how depraved. 481 00:21:49,860 --> 00:21:52,590 They were like cult members, and he was a cult leader. 482 00:21:52,590 --> 00:21:56,700 When I saw the first video posted on social media of Ava, 483 00:21:56,700 --> 00:22:00,500 I immediately called the LAPD, and I told them, 484 00:22:00,500 --> 00:22:02,900 Christopher Pace is the one that did this murder. 485 00:22:02,900 --> 00:22:05,670 It was filmed exactly like how Christopher would film 486 00:22:05,670 --> 00:22:07,580 everything that went on in our house. 487 00:22:07,580 --> 00:22:10,380 I think it's fascinating that we've had 488 00:22:10,380 --> 00:22:12,710 famous serial killers throughout time, 489 00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:16,520 and yet no one else filmed the act. 490 00:22:17,550 --> 00:22:22,760 I think the idea that Christopher Pace did that 491 00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:25,130 makes a lot of sense to me. 492 00:22:25,130 --> 00:22:26,290 I can tell you this. 493 00:22:26,290 --> 00:22:29,360 Pace is definitely a murderer. 494 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,570 I just don't know if he's the murderer. 495 00:22:31,570 --> 00:22:34,170 I will stab you in the fucking throat, Tedd. 496 00:22:34,170 --> 00:22:35,400 - I will do it. Okay? - Do it. 497 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:36,570 You'll never work again. Do it. 498 00:22:36,570 --> 00:22:38,140 I don't need to work. I could work in prison. 499 00:22:38,140 --> 00:22:39,340 I'd put on a prison play 500 00:22:39,340 --> 00:22:40,680 that would win a fucking Oscar, all right? 501 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,280 And I would fuck all the inmates. 502 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,510 Is he out of his fucking mind? 503 00:22:44,510 --> 00:22:45,950 No doubt about it. 504 00:22:45,950 --> 00:22:49,950 But when you're a genius, people have to tolerate you. 505 00:22:50,250 --> 00:22:52,290 And that's what Pace is. 506 00:22:52,290 --> 00:22:53,860 He's a genius. 507 00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:57,490 I am all things to all people. 508 00:22:58,530 --> 00:23:00,530 I am Mother. 509 00:23:00,530 --> 00:23:02,430 I am Father. 510 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:07,600 I am killer, I am saint, I am devil, I am savior. 511 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:12,740 I am Idi Amin and I am also Gandhi. 512 00:23:12,740 --> 00:23:15,040 - You know what this is? - That's film. 513 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:16,180 Yeah, this is the film 514 00:23:16,180 --> 00:23:17,810 from that really tight profile shot I got of you. 515 00:23:17,810 --> 00:23:19,450 I just ripped it out of the fucking camera. 516 00:23:19,450 --> 00:23:20,850 - You know why I did that? - No. 517 00:23:20,850 --> 00:23:23,350 Because I can't fucking use it. 518 00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:25,750 I can't use any of this shit, Dustin. 519 00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:27,990 Because Pace didn't start as the director, 520 00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:30,120 he didn't get to choose the cast. 521 00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:34,030 But the one person he did get was Ava Bergman. 522 00:23:35,700 --> 00:23:37,670 I ain't afraid of dying. 523 00:23:37,670 --> 00:23:39,530 I already done it. 524 00:23:42,540 --> 00:23:45,010 Ava was Pace's muse. 525 00:23:45,010 --> 00:23:48,180 The whole movie, the whole concept of the movie was her. 526 00:23:48,180 --> 00:23:52,710 I don't want to say that I wrote the role for her 527 00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:56,020 because I don't write roles for actors. 528 00:23:56,020 --> 00:23:59,620 I am, I am haunted by a character. 529 00:23:59,620 --> 00:24:02,520 They live inside my, my brain. 530 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,130 Uh, they destroy my life. 531 00:24:04,130 --> 00:24:09,060 And then to prevent suicide, I write them onto a paper. 532 00:24:09,060 --> 00:24:13,270 And when I finished with this, with this woman, 533 00:24:13,270 --> 00:24:14,470 uh, she was Ava. 534 00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:15,770 Talk to me. What do you need? 535 00:24:15,770 --> 00:24:18,210 Uh, I'm just not sure that I... 536 00:24:18,210 --> 00:24:20,270 - What? - Okay. Um-- 537 00:24:20,270 --> 00:24:21,440 You're not sure that what? 538 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,880 That I really understand, uh, the character at this point. 539 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,380 You are the character. What is there to understand? 540 00:24:27,380 --> 00:24:28,920 She was his Scarlet Empress. 541 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,790 She was his Marlene Dietrich to Josef von Sternberg. 542 00:24:33,790 --> 00:24:36,360 If von Sternberg had lost Dietrich, 543 00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:38,090 this would have been a big hole 544 00:24:38,090 --> 00:24:39,260 in the history of cinema 545 00:24:39,260 --> 00:24:42,600 uh, and some images that were amazing and shocking. 546 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,670 I think it was a real blow, um, to Pace 547 00:24:46,670 --> 00:24:47,900 uh, when this happened. 548 00:24:47,900 --> 00:24:51,440 And I think that it turned him 549 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,110 into a dissident toward his own movie, 550 00:24:54,110 --> 00:24:55,280 which was Dissident. 551 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:56,980 Quit ripping the film out of the fucking camera! 552 00:24:56,980 --> 00:24:58,680 What are you going to use it for, Tedd? 553 00:24:58,680 --> 00:24:59,880 Quit ripping the fuckin' film! 554 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:01,720 What do you want me to do with it, Tedd? 555 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,080 At least look at the dailies, motherfucker! 556 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,950 I don't need to see the dailies! I do all the scenes, Tedd! 557 00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:07,790 [Melvin] People think Pace's issues started with Barbera, 558 00:25:07,790 --> 00:25:09,460 but the fact of the matter is 559 00:25:09,460 --> 00:25:11,990 it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows with Ava, either. 560 00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:15,160 Pace was in pursuit of perfection. 561 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,470 And from what I saw, Ava couldn't give it to him. 562 00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:19,900 - I think we can drill down... - Okay. 563 00:25:19,900 --> 00:25:21,370 ...and start doing something interesting. 564 00:25:21,370 --> 00:25:24,570 I need, I need, I need somebody, I need somebody to literally, 565 00:25:24,570 --> 00:25:25,910 like, call my therapist 566 00:25:25,910 --> 00:25:27,680 because, like, she knows that when I'm stressed out, 567 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,040 like, I need, like, a breathing exercise... 568 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,410 I think you need to act when you're stressed out. 569 00:25:31,410 --> 00:25:32,810 I think you need to let it go. 570 00:25:32,810 --> 00:25:33,980 No, I don't think that I should. 571 00:25:33,980 --> 00:25:35,480 This is beautiful, but you gotta let it out. 572 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:39,850 From my research, Pace never had an issue with her acting. 573 00:25:39,850 --> 00:25:42,290 He had an issue with her boyfriend, 574 00:25:42,290 --> 00:25:44,160 a man who many people say 575 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,490 is the greatest actor of all time. 576 00:25:46,490 --> 00:25:49,630 Our next suspect, Lawrence Hughes. 577 00:25:50,730 --> 00:25:53,670 Welcome to the picture show! 578 00:25:53,670 --> 00:25:56,070 [reel buzzing] 579 00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:59,340 Lawrence is a unique suspect for three reasons. 580 00:25:59,340 --> 00:26:03,080 Number one, he was not in the film, Dissident. 581 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,680 Two, I was not able to interview him 582 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,920 while at the FBI or for this documentary. 583 00:26:09,220 --> 00:26:12,220 And, finally, the day before Ava's murder, 584 00:26:12,220 --> 00:26:15,960 he disappeared and has not been seen since. 585 00:26:16,620 --> 00:26:18,330 So to understand Lawrence, 586 00:26:18,330 --> 00:26:21,600 let's start with his relationship with Pace. 587 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,400 The only way to describe Lawrence and Pace 588 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,230 is the same type of relationship 589 00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:28,570 that Werner Herzog had with Klaus Kinski. 590 00:26:28,570 --> 00:26:31,170 Herzog and Kinski were at each other's throats all the time. 591 00:26:31,170 --> 00:26:33,810 They fought constantly. They pulled guns on each other. 592 00:26:33,810 --> 00:26:35,340 They threatened to kill each other, 593 00:26:35,340 --> 00:26:36,840 walk off movies, et cetera. 594 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:42,020 But they made five films together between 1972 and '87. 595 00:26:42,020 --> 00:26:44,290 And they were good, good movies. 596 00:26:44,290 --> 00:26:46,820 Lawrence and Pace made The Last Great Actor, 597 00:26:46,820 --> 00:26:48,590 which some people consider 598 00:26:48,590 --> 00:26:51,560 to be the greatest film ever made. 599 00:26:51,860 --> 00:26:54,930 And often compared to Citizen Kane. 600 00:26:54,930 --> 00:26:58,170 But the truth is, without Lawrence's star power, 601 00:26:58,170 --> 00:27:00,170 there wouldn't have been a film. 602 00:27:00,170 --> 00:27:03,900 And without that film, there would be no Pace. 603 00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:07,110 Reality is that movie wouldn't have been made without him. 604 00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:08,740 I was nobody. 605 00:27:08,740 --> 00:27:11,310 And he took a massive risk by signing on to it. 606 00:27:11,610 --> 00:27:14,150 And despite everything that's happened between us since, 607 00:27:14,150 --> 00:27:16,320 I will always be grateful to him for that. 608 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,790 [Ivan] When Lawrence signed on to do The Last Great Actor, 609 00:27:19,790 --> 00:27:21,160 I was shocked. 610 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:26,160 Um, he had not done a movie that small in a long time. 611 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,500 Lawrence is great in every movie he does. 612 00:27:28,500 --> 00:27:32,870 But in this one, he delivered the performance of a lifetime. 613 00:27:33,170 --> 00:27:36,900 When I was a kid, you know, I had this little bunk bed. 614 00:27:36,900 --> 00:27:40,410 And my, uh, my brother would sleep underneath me. 615 00:27:42,210 --> 00:27:44,280 So I climbed down one night. I couldn't sleep. 616 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:45,910 I was thinking about scary stuff, you know? 617 00:27:45,910 --> 00:27:51,220 And, uh, there's this little sculpture of a rattlesnake. 618 00:27:51,220 --> 00:27:53,790 It was my dad's favorite, favorite sculpture. 619 00:27:53,790 --> 00:27:56,460 He got it in Arizona. I don't know. 620 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,790 I wanted to see it. I wanted to play with it. 621 00:27:58,790 --> 00:28:01,330 So I grabbed it down and I looked at it. 622 00:28:01,330 --> 00:28:04,670 And all of a sudden, it slipped from my hands 623 00:28:04,670 --> 00:28:07,170 and just shattered into a million pieces. 624 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,340 All of a sudden, my... 625 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,310 My dad flings open the door 626 00:28:13,310 --> 00:28:16,740 and he makes his face just like this. 627 00:28:16,740 --> 00:28:18,810 And his hands got so big! 628 00:28:18,810 --> 00:28:21,920 And then he started wailing on me and my brother! 629 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,490 Just beating the living piss out of us! 630 00:28:24,490 --> 00:28:26,990 And my brother's in the corner of the bed just, 631 00:28:26,990 --> 00:28:30,960 "Ah! Dad! No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no! 632 00:28:32,030 --> 00:28:33,960 No!" 633 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,400 And then my dad just shuts the door and he leaves! 634 00:28:38,730 --> 00:28:41,000 And there's my brother, Luke, 635 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,340 and he's in the corner, and he's just like, "Why? 636 00:28:45,340 --> 00:28:47,510 "Why would he do that? 637 00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:50,210 "Why would he come in in the middle of the night 638 00:28:50,210 --> 00:28:52,850 and just beat the shit out of us?" 639 00:28:52,850 --> 00:28:55,580 And I knew why, because I was fucking around, 640 00:28:55,580 --> 00:28:57,280 but he never knew. 641 00:28:59,750 --> 00:29:01,720 I never told him. 642 00:29:02,020 --> 00:29:04,760 [heavy breathing] Even to this day, 643 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,260 I've never told him. 644 00:29:09,130 --> 00:29:10,900 Some people say that is the greatest scene 645 00:29:10,900 --> 00:29:12,370 in film history. 646 00:29:12,370 --> 00:29:14,100 Their words, not mine. 647 00:29:14,570 --> 00:29:17,640 I have written the greatest scene in film history. 648 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,270 But it's not that one. 649 00:29:20,510 --> 00:29:21,810 After The Last Great Actor, 650 00:29:21,810 --> 00:29:24,040 everyone thought that Lawrence and Pace 651 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,410 were, you know, the next Scorsese and De Niro. 652 00:29:27,410 --> 00:29:29,580 They made the film for $1 million 653 00:29:29,580 --> 00:29:33,050 and it grossed $120 million. 654 00:29:33,050 --> 00:29:36,290 Despite the success of the film, both men swore 655 00:29:36,290 --> 00:29:38,690 that they would never work together again. 656 00:29:38,690 --> 00:29:41,960 In fact, no one who has ever worked with Lawrence 657 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,270 will work with him a second time. 658 00:29:44,270 --> 00:29:46,770 And it's not because people hate him. 659 00:29:46,770 --> 00:29:49,240 It's because they are scared of him. 660 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,370 Lawrence's talent is his biggest enemy. 661 00:29:52,370 --> 00:29:53,740 [sobbing] 662 00:29:54,010 --> 00:29:56,210 I mean, about what anybody else knows about him, 663 00:29:56,210 --> 00:29:59,910 he's probably the most talented actor that's ever existed. 664 00:29:59,910 --> 00:30:02,050 This guy's dedication to his craft 665 00:30:02,050 --> 00:30:04,450 and to the arts is second to none. 666 00:30:04,450 --> 00:30:06,490 Lawrence is dedicated to performance. 667 00:30:06,490 --> 00:30:08,760 Man, if there's one guy I've always been looking up to, 668 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,090 it's him. 669 00:30:10,090 --> 00:30:13,390 I discovered Lawrence when he was nine years old. 670 00:30:13,390 --> 00:30:15,630 Sometimes, I wish I really didn't 671 00:30:15,630 --> 00:30:18,770 because he never had a chance to live a normal life. 672 00:30:18,770 --> 00:30:20,470 And I feel guilty because of that. 673 00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:23,640 Yeah, I think he had unrealistic expectations 674 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,440 put on him from an early age. 675 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,240 And although he fulfilled them with talent, 676 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,580 in his own body, he never felt like himself. 677 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,280 [Christopher] Why is Lawrence a great actor? 678 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,050 Uh, is it because he wins many awards? 679 00:30:37,050 --> 00:30:39,450 Is it because he commits himself 680 00:30:39,450 --> 00:30:42,060 to the roles to the detriment of himself 681 00:30:42,060 --> 00:30:44,830 and to everyone around him? No, no, no, no. 682 00:30:44,830 --> 00:30:46,730 The hardest thing for any actor to do 683 00:30:46,730 --> 00:30:48,260 is to lose themselves, 684 00:30:48,260 --> 00:30:51,200 to give up their own humanity in place of the characters. 685 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,040 Lawrence is great because he has no self to lose. 686 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,500 Lawrence is not a human being. 687 00:30:57,500 --> 00:30:58,810 He is an empty shell. 688 00:30:58,810 --> 00:31:00,770 Regardless of what you see on screen, 689 00:31:00,770 --> 00:31:03,280 he is simply not there. 690 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,250 Which is why he's able to do anything once the camera rolls. 691 00:31:07,250 --> 00:31:11,390 The second you call cut, the man is a disaster. 692 00:31:11,390 --> 00:31:14,020 [Thomas] Do you have any idea who the killer might be? 693 00:31:14,020 --> 00:31:19,190 Oh. If I had to pick a guy, 694 00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:21,260 I think it's Lawrence. 695 00:31:21,260 --> 00:31:23,460 Lawrence is one of these guys that, 696 00:31:23,460 --> 00:31:25,030 I don't know what they call 'em, 697 00:31:25,030 --> 00:31:27,800 but he'd get into a role and he'd stay in that role 698 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,200 through the whole movie. 699 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,010 I mean, whether he was in our car 700 00:31:31,010 --> 00:31:32,810 or ordering a hamburger at McDonald's, 701 00:31:32,810 --> 00:31:34,170 he'd stay in that role. 702 00:31:34,170 --> 00:31:36,940 I mean, it's a little weird when he does that. 703 00:31:36,940 --> 00:31:38,680 So, you know, when he goes home 704 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,420 after playing Neil Armstrong, I think he's thinking 705 00:31:41,420 --> 00:31:43,320 he's home, walking on the moon. 706 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,920 And when he goes home as a crazed murderer, 707 00:31:48,060 --> 00:31:50,020 he might be a crazed murderer. 708 00:31:50,990 --> 00:31:52,660 [Harry] Working with Lawrence Hughes 709 00:31:52,660 --> 00:31:55,060 on Justice Explosion was one of the most 710 00:31:55,060 --> 00:31:57,930 rewarding experiences of my entire career. 711 00:31:57,930 --> 00:31:59,570 I often tell people, 712 00:31:59,570 --> 00:32:02,940 Lawrence is, is like a wild Mustang. 713 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,070 The good part of that is one 714 00:32:05,070 --> 00:32:08,180 of the most beautiful sights you'll ever see. 715 00:32:08,180 --> 00:32:11,880 The bad side, you try to ride him, 716 00:32:12,150 --> 00:32:13,380 you'll get bucked from the saddle 717 00:32:13,380 --> 00:32:15,220 and he'll trample you to death. 718 00:32:15,220 --> 00:32:17,950 No one dedicates themselves more than Lawrence. 719 00:32:18,220 --> 00:32:20,590 On Justice Explosion, he started to lose it. 720 00:32:20,590 --> 00:32:22,360 We got calls from the cast and crew 721 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,930 saying he scared someone or made someone cry every day. 722 00:32:25,930 --> 00:32:28,560 This is the reason I think people believe that Lawrence 723 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:29,930 is The Hollywood Killer. 724 00:32:29,930 --> 00:32:33,900 I mean, he had been in over 30 films 725 00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:36,170 where he'd had to do serious stunts. 726 00:32:36,170 --> 00:32:38,040 I mean, he has a background in wrestling, 727 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,340 boxing, jujitsu, wire work. 728 00:32:40,340 --> 00:32:44,450 It's really impressive, his, like, physical ability. 729 00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:45,610 And... 730 00:32:47,580 --> 00:32:50,450 he might have been the only one who was capable 731 00:32:50,450 --> 00:32:53,120 of committing some of these crimes. 732 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,290 [Samuel] He's certainly got what it takes. 733 00:32:55,290 --> 00:32:57,890 Close, intimate relationship. 734 00:32:57,890 --> 00:33:00,960 Uh, disappeared after the murder. 735 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,300 Plays a lot of unhinged characters. 736 00:33:04,700 --> 00:33:06,900 Known for not ever breaking character, 737 00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:08,640 even when the film is long gone. 738 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,340 So he's living split personality day to day. 739 00:33:11,340 --> 00:33:13,570 And in some ways, I really admire that. 740 00:33:13,570 --> 00:33:15,640 [Thomas] Aside from his connection to Pace, 741 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,310 Lawrence was also connected to Dissident in another way, 742 00:33:19,310 --> 00:33:22,080 through his relationship with Ava. 743 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,250 Ava and Lawrence were together on and off for three years. 744 00:33:25,250 --> 00:33:27,220 But during production of Dissident, 745 00:33:27,220 --> 00:33:29,490 Ava ended things with him for good. 746 00:33:29,490 --> 00:33:33,390 And this sent Lawrence into a downward spiral. 747 00:33:33,690 --> 00:33:37,060 Despite a restraining order, Lawrence kept showing up 748 00:33:37,060 --> 00:33:38,370 anywhere she was, 749 00:33:38,370 --> 00:33:41,200 and even showed up on the set of Dissident. 750 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,400 - Hi. - Hi, how you doing? 751 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,300 - Hey... Dustin. - Lawrence. Nice to meet you. 752 00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:46,040 - How are you? - Damn good. 753 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,570 - Hi. Hi, how are you? - Hi. 754 00:33:47,570 --> 00:33:49,640 No, no, let's try it again, okay? 755 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,110 Obviously, this did not go over well with Pace. 756 00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:54,350 - [Christopher] Larry Hughes? - Hey. 757 00:33:54,350 --> 00:33:56,220 My old fucking friend. How you doing? 758 00:33:56,220 --> 00:33:57,650 - Hey-- - Fucking come onto my set! 759 00:33:57,650 --> 00:33:59,890 You come onto my fucking set! Yeah? 760 00:33:59,890 --> 00:34:02,960 [Thomas] After this, Lawrence was banned from the set, 761 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,330 which made him even more crazy. 762 00:34:05,730 --> 00:34:09,330 Me and my dad both begged Lawrence to stop showing up, 763 00:34:09,330 --> 00:34:12,200 but he just snapped. 764 00:34:12,570 --> 00:34:14,670 He would do anything to try and see her. 765 00:34:14,670 --> 00:34:16,700 Everyone needs to stay put. Larry's here. 766 00:34:16,700 --> 00:34:18,010 He's going crazy outside, 767 00:34:18,010 --> 00:34:19,340 and I got Ava locked in the trailer. 768 00:34:19,340 --> 00:34:20,540 So we just need to sort of, 769 00:34:20,540 --> 00:34:24,010 you know, shelter in place until, um, he's done 770 00:34:24,010 --> 00:34:25,480 with whatever rant he's going on. 771 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,120 [Ivan] He kept calling me and trying to figure out 772 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:29,880 when Ava was on a break 773 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,120 and when she was stepping out for lunch or something. 774 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,160 I had to stop answering his calls 775 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,460 'cause he was just... freaking crazy. 776 00:34:37,460 --> 00:34:40,990 And production had security guards on the perimeter. 777 00:34:40,990 --> 00:34:43,300 He could not get anywhere near. 778 00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:45,230 - It got crazy. - He's obsessed. 779 00:34:45,230 --> 00:34:46,670 - No. - It's not healthy. 780 00:34:46,670 --> 00:34:49,270 - It's absolutely bizarre. - That's crazy. You know what? 781 00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:51,770 I'm going to keep my eyes open because that is insane, 782 00:34:51,770 --> 00:34:54,040 and I want you to be comfortable at all times on this set. 783 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:55,410 - Thank you. Thank you. - I'm serious. 784 00:34:55,410 --> 00:34:57,110 We've been knowing each other for too long. 785 00:34:57,110 --> 00:34:58,510 Thank you. You're sweet. 786 00:34:58,510 --> 00:35:00,580 But if you, um, do you find me, like, in a vat of oil 787 00:35:00,580 --> 00:35:02,320 or, like, dismembered in the valley, 788 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,750 like, just, you know, probably him. 789 00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:07,190 [Effy] Ava was over it. 790 00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:08,890 She didn't want to talk to Lawrence anymore, 791 00:35:08,890 --> 00:35:10,420 and he knew that. 792 00:35:10,420 --> 00:35:13,130 I mean, I remember her telling me that, 793 00:35:13,130 --> 00:35:15,360 uh, she was terrified of him. 794 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,330 But he kept calling. 795 00:35:17,330 --> 00:35:18,730 Please calm down and listen to me! 796 00:35:18,730 --> 00:35:20,230 - [Lawrence] I am listening! - Please. 797 00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:21,470 [Lawrence] You need to make a choice. 798 00:35:21,470 --> 00:35:23,370 It's either me or the film. 799 00:35:23,370 --> 00:35:25,370 No, I'm always going to choose the film! 800 00:35:25,370 --> 00:35:27,610 [Lawrence] You'll regret this! Mark my words! 801 00:35:27,610 --> 00:35:29,910 - You'll regret this! - Babe-- 802 00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:31,810 Okay, okay, okay, okay. And now what do we do? 803 00:35:31,810 --> 00:35:34,410 We go to the thing, and we block the number, right? 804 00:35:34,410 --> 00:35:36,450 Give me the finger. There we go. 805 00:35:36,450 --> 00:35:37,890 We hit that. There we go. 806 00:35:37,890 --> 00:35:40,490 - And now where do we have block? - You have to scroll down. 807 00:35:40,490 --> 00:35:42,490 We scroll down. Okay, okay. 808 00:35:42,490 --> 00:35:44,160 And now we blocked him. Look at that. 809 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,460 [Ava] [crying] 810 00:35:45,460 --> 00:35:46,930 And now we don't have to worry about it ever again. 811 00:35:46,930 --> 00:35:48,930 These calls were scary. 812 00:35:48,930 --> 00:35:50,530 I mean, he would call all of us 813 00:35:50,530 --> 00:35:54,330 and just yell over and over to get Ava to pick up the phone. 814 00:35:54,330 --> 00:35:55,500 And I'll tell you this. 815 00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:57,540 Every call was worse than the last. 816 00:35:57,540 --> 00:35:59,540 [Lawrence] I'm going to destroy this film, 817 00:35:59,540 --> 00:36:01,680 and I'm going to destroy you! Okay? 818 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,350 And if I, if Ava isn't on a fucking plane in 30 minutes, 819 00:36:05,350 --> 00:36:06,650 I'm going to come to that set 820 00:36:06,650 --> 00:36:09,080 and drag her off by her fucking hair! 821 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,490 There are a few reasons why this clip is so important. 822 00:36:12,490 --> 00:36:17,020 One being that Lawrence says, "I will destroy this film," 823 00:36:17,020 --> 00:36:20,830 which is a theory as to why he murdered the other girls. 824 00:36:20,830 --> 00:36:24,300 The second is because this was the last call 825 00:36:24,300 --> 00:36:26,870 ever made from Lawrence's phone 826 00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:30,170 and the last time anyone heard from him. 827 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,210 Ava Bergman was murdered the following day. 828 00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:37,840 [muffled screaming] 829 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,950 Help-- [choking] Help me! 830 00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:43,980 [grunts] 831 00:36:43,980 --> 00:36:47,450 Help! [screams] No! Please! 832 00:36:47,450 --> 00:36:50,560 Please! Help me! No! 833 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:56,360 [choking] [gasping] [sustained exhale] 834 00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:03,340 [eerie music] 835 00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:10,840 [Demy] That's the problem these days. 836 00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:15,450 We want to show everything and be grisly. 837 00:37:16,750 --> 00:37:17,880 Detail. 838 00:37:19,290 --> 00:37:22,020 The idea that this, this fucker 839 00:37:22,020 --> 00:37:26,430 was holding a phone while he's attempting to... 840 00:37:30,830 --> 00:37:32,400 Hm. 841 00:37:32,670 --> 00:37:34,500 This is the world we live in. 842 00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:37,670 It's really fucking dark. 843 00:37:38,070 --> 00:37:41,280 [Thomas] The initial investigation by the LAPD 844 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,680 uncovered no physical evidence. 845 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,310 But none of that mattered, because everyone was convinced 846 00:37:47,310 --> 00:37:48,920 it was Lawrence Hughes. 847 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,590 And even with an international search, 848 00:37:51,590 --> 00:37:53,420 no one could find him. 849 00:37:53,420 --> 00:37:56,420 His whereabouts remain unknown. 850 00:37:56,690 --> 00:37:59,760 Despite this tragedy, shooting for Dissident 851 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,160 resumed 24 hours later with a new actress. 852 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,370 After losing a lead actress in such a horrible way, 853 00:38:06,370 --> 00:38:09,340 most producers would cut their losses 854 00:38:09,340 --> 00:38:11,310 and shut down the film. 855 00:38:11,310 --> 00:38:13,540 Tedd is not most producers. 856 00:38:13,540 --> 00:38:15,910 Now let's meet our third suspect, 857 00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:18,150 Tedd Mankiewicz. 858 00:38:18,580 --> 00:38:20,950 Like, Jesus Christ, can I get a fluffer here? 859 00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:23,550 I'm spritzin' everywhere. It's actually not even cold. 860 00:38:23,550 --> 00:38:26,290 I just, like, have to wait on my nuts. 861 00:38:26,290 --> 00:38:27,920 Got fucking drool coming out of my mouth. 862 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,330 I got ball sweat. Feel like I've lost 10 pounds. 863 00:38:31,330 --> 00:38:32,760 You're like, "Did you fuck Barb?" 864 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,960 And I go, "Oh, I fucked her to death, 865 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,860 but I didn't kill her." 866 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,800 [Thomas] First, let's start by understanding who Tedd is. 867 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,370 Not only is he one of the most 868 00:38:41,370 --> 00:38:43,200 powerful people in Hollywood, 869 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,540 he represented all three of the women that were murdered. 870 00:38:46,540 --> 00:38:49,980 The one who survived, two of the suspects, 871 00:38:49,980 --> 00:38:54,610 was a suspect himself, and was having an affair 872 00:38:54,610 --> 00:38:57,720 with Barbera Ball at the time of her death, 873 00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:01,520 something that his wife was very upset about. 874 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,620 All roads lead back to Tedd, okay? 875 00:39:03,620 --> 00:39:06,760 He got John into producing. He got Lawrence into acting. 876 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,530 Produced Pace's first film. Made Melvin a movie star. 877 00:39:10,530 --> 00:39:12,030 Shared a lover with Dustin. 878 00:39:12,030 --> 00:39:15,340 And he's thanked more than God at the Oscars. 879 00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:17,940 I've got a soft spot for Tedd. 880 00:39:18,270 --> 00:39:20,140 He's the best manager of all time. 881 00:39:20,140 --> 00:39:22,080 But I understand that Tedd has made some enemies 882 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,110 in this business. 883 00:39:23,110 --> 00:39:24,640 A lot of people hate him, 884 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,910 and Pace may be at the top of that list. 885 00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:33,550 The devil never convinced the world that he did not exist. 886 00:39:33,550 --> 00:39:36,020 No. The devil exists. 887 00:39:36,020 --> 00:39:38,160 Tedd Mankiewicz exists. 888 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:39,790 The man is real. 889 00:39:39,790 --> 00:39:43,300 And he's out there, and you all sit back and go, 890 00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:45,370 "I don't know. I don't know. 891 00:39:45,370 --> 00:39:48,170 Is evil real? Is darkness real?" 892 00:39:48,170 --> 00:39:50,670 Look in the fucking mirror. 893 00:39:52,510 --> 00:39:54,670 I know that a lot of people talk shit about Tedd 894 00:39:54,670 --> 00:39:56,210 - Mm-hmm. - I totally get that. 895 00:39:56,210 --> 00:40:01,920 But for me, it's like, I know that he would legit kill for me. 896 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,180 I've never killed anyone for a client. 897 00:40:04,180 --> 00:40:07,920 But I would, and that's why they fucking signed with me. 898 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,060 During my investigation into Tedd, 899 00:40:10,060 --> 00:40:15,330 I found that he would normally do one set visit on his movies. 900 00:40:15,660 --> 00:40:20,300 On Dissident, he visited set four times a week. 901 00:40:20,300 --> 00:40:21,840 Oh, oh, ladies and gentlemen, 902 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,700 can we get a round of applause here? 903 00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:24,910 You understand what's happening? 904 00:40:24,910 --> 00:40:26,770 Yeah, the Antichrist has returned. 905 00:40:26,770 --> 00:40:28,340 All right? So that means we rejoice. 906 00:40:28,340 --> 00:40:29,880 What do producers do? 907 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,410 They are supposed to put together the elements 908 00:40:33,410 --> 00:40:35,520 that lead you to making the film. 909 00:40:36,580 --> 00:40:38,320 Why would that entitle them 910 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,750 to be on the set once it's begun? 911 00:40:42,090 --> 00:40:44,360 Their job is prologue. 912 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:45,930 They are the preamble. 913 00:40:45,930 --> 00:40:49,460 They are the Greek chorus before the play begins. 914 00:40:49,460 --> 00:40:52,730 Once the story starts, fuck off. 915 00:40:53,970 --> 00:40:57,200 The moment Tedd Mankiewicz arrives on set, 916 00:40:58,210 --> 00:41:00,410 whole energy shifts. 917 00:41:00,410 --> 00:41:02,840 [Tedd] The luckiest day of your life is when you met me. 918 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,040 [Christopher] What are you talking about? 919 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:05,610 [Tedd] Everyone says you suck now, 920 00:41:05,610 --> 00:41:07,350 and this movie will never be 921 00:41:07,350 --> 00:41:08,650 as good as The Last Great Actor. 922 00:41:08,650 --> 00:41:09,750 [Christopher] This movie will never be 923 00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:11,220 as good as The Last Great Actor? 924 00:41:11,220 --> 00:41:12,450 [Tedd] Yeah, totally. 925 00:41:12,450 --> 00:41:13,720 [Christopher] You think maybe that's because you're standing 926 00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:14,920 in the middle of my fucking shot? 927 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,260 [Martin] And if that wasn't bad enough, 928 00:41:16,260 --> 00:41:18,360 the motherfucker would walk in and show you 929 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,060 how to do your scene. 930 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,930 This is how you cock a gun. 931 00:41:23,930 --> 00:41:26,200 There's two things you need to be able to do 932 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,500 to be a movie star. 933 00:41:27,500 --> 00:41:28,970 Kiss the girl... 934 00:41:30,500 --> 00:41:32,140 and fire a gun. 935 00:41:32,140 --> 00:41:35,280 - And you can't do either. - Just don't overthink it. 936 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,540 Acting is so fucking easy. 937 00:41:37,540 --> 00:41:38,850 Most of the time, these people 938 00:41:38,850 --> 00:41:41,180 just get so caught up in their own heads. 939 00:41:41,180 --> 00:41:42,320 They're lazy. 940 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,120 Most of them don't have talent to begin with. 941 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,190 So I show up and I show them what to do. 942 00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:50,490 I don't know why so many people get offended by this. 943 00:41:50,490 --> 00:41:52,230 Do you think Reese Witherspoon blinks? 944 00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:53,090 No. 945 00:41:53,090 --> 00:41:54,730 Do you think Nicole Kidman blinks? 946 00:41:54,730 --> 00:41:56,930 - No. - Then why would you blink? 947 00:41:57,500 --> 00:41:58,770 I don't know. 948 00:41:58,770 --> 00:42:00,430 Give me more Meryl Streep. 949 00:42:00,430 --> 00:42:01,870 Okay. [heavy breathing] 950 00:42:01,870 --> 00:42:04,100 Look at the camera and don't blink. 951 00:42:05,810 --> 00:42:07,210 Tedd was like a steamroller. 952 00:42:07,210 --> 00:42:09,980 He'd come in there and intimidate everybody. 953 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:16,350 [grunts] [groans painfully] 954 00:42:16,350 --> 00:42:19,820 [Smitty] Yeah, every so often, I would go up to Ivan and say, 955 00:42:19,820 --> 00:42:22,060 "You sure you want me to keep this camera rolling?" 956 00:42:22,060 --> 00:42:24,560 I mean, some of the circumstances 957 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,590 were a little sketchy. 958 00:42:26,890 --> 00:42:28,930 Tedd Mankiewicz was a fucking animal. 959 00:42:28,930 --> 00:42:30,700 Did he know what he was doing? Sure. 960 00:42:30,700 --> 00:42:32,600 Yes, okay. Was he very good at his job? 961 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,140 Also, yes. The man was a fucking animal. 962 00:42:36,140 --> 00:42:39,010 To understand why Tedd is a suspect, 963 00:42:39,010 --> 00:42:41,740 we have to talk about Barbera Ball, 964 00:42:41,740 --> 00:42:43,680 the second murder victim, 965 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,380 and how she ended up in Dissident. 966 00:42:46,380 --> 00:42:50,550 Barbera made a name for herself when she was cast in Breathe 967 00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:52,790 alongside Lawrence Hughes. 968 00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:57,460 [classic jazz music playing] 969 00:42:57,460 --> 00:42:59,060 [speaking French] 970 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,160 I believe I went to school with that chap. 971 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,630 [speaking French] 972 00:43:10,340 --> 00:43:12,170 Should I go approach him? 973 00:43:12,970 --> 00:43:14,170 Oui. 974 00:43:14,170 --> 00:43:16,080 Your French isn't that good anymore. 975 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:20,080 - I think you need some practice. - Good enough. 976 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,650 Whatever you say. 977 00:43:21,650 --> 00:43:23,150 On y va. 978 00:43:25,090 --> 00:43:27,890 Every actress in the world wanted that role. 979 00:43:28,250 --> 00:43:31,090 But my dad made sure that Barbera got it. 980 00:43:31,460 --> 00:43:35,360 After the success of Breathe, Tedd cast Barbera in Dissident 981 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,930 without ever talking to Pace about it. 982 00:43:37,930 --> 00:43:39,530 Pace is quoted as saying 983 00:43:39,530 --> 00:43:42,970 he hated Barbera Ball more than his own mother, 984 00:43:42,970 --> 00:43:45,170 who abandoned him as a child. 985 00:43:46,210 --> 00:43:48,140 [indistinct] 986 00:43:48,140 --> 00:43:50,540 Barbera, am I looking at the monitor? 987 00:43:50,540 --> 00:43:51,810 I can't, I can't tell. 988 00:43:51,810 --> 00:43:53,180 There's four cameras on this fucking scene. 989 00:43:53,180 --> 00:43:55,080 One of them can probably see it. I can't see it. 990 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,880 I'm not watching the camera. I'm watching you. 991 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,550 I'm watching your reaction. You know what I see? 992 00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:59,920 - What? - I see fear. 993 00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:00,950 Why do I see fear? 994 00:44:00,950 --> 00:44:02,420 This gun has got no bullets in it. 995 00:44:02,420 --> 00:44:03,690 It's not even a real gun. 996 00:44:03,690 --> 00:44:04,860 I mean, let me show you something, Barbera. 997 00:44:04,860 --> 00:44:06,560 You see this? All right? This is my fucking gun. 998 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,800 This shit's loaded. Am I afraid? No! 999 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,500 [Thomas] You wanted Barbera taken out of the film. 1000 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:14,930 - Why? - Absolutely. 1001 00:44:14,930 --> 00:44:17,270 Uh, because she's not very good. 1002 00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:20,970 So, uh, once she was forced upon me, 1003 00:44:20,970 --> 00:44:22,810 I did what anyone does 1004 00:44:22,810 --> 00:44:25,110 when they are put in a compromising situation 1005 00:44:25,110 --> 00:44:26,480 that they did not ask to be in. 1006 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,520 They try to get out. And that's what I did. 1007 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,850 - How much does she want this? - A lot more than this film. 1008 00:44:31,850 --> 00:44:33,390 Okay, so then why is she here? 1009 00:44:33,390 --> 00:44:36,360 Wouldn't you rather spend it on the film rather than her? 1010 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:37,320 Think about it. 1011 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:38,730 Oh, you hadn't even thought about that. 1012 00:44:38,730 --> 00:44:40,330 We could get someone who was more talented 1013 00:44:40,330 --> 00:44:41,160 and less expensive. 1014 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,730 There isn't somebody more talented. 1015 00:44:42,730 --> 00:44:44,100 You don't think there's anyone more talented? 1016 00:44:44,100 --> 00:44:45,570 - No, I don't. - Oh, my God. 1017 00:44:45,570 --> 00:44:47,730 The myopic... Jesus. 1018 00:44:47,730 --> 00:44:49,640 This is a normal occurrence. 1019 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,810 I had to go to set every day 1020 00:44:51,810 --> 00:44:53,740 to make sure Barbera stayed in the film. 1021 00:44:53,740 --> 00:44:55,340 Your female lead is out of frame. 1022 00:44:55,340 --> 00:44:56,510 Yes, I know, I know. 1023 00:44:56,510 --> 00:44:58,080 This is how we're going to do the movie now, okay? 1024 00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,650 [Effy] My dad's going to see the dailies. 1025 00:44:59,650 --> 00:45:00,980 What do you think he's gonna say? 1026 00:45:00,980 --> 00:45:02,950 I think he's going to whine and bitch like a child. 1027 00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:04,780 You're whining and bitching like a child 1028 00:45:04,780 --> 00:45:06,190 because you can't have a two-person scene. 1029 00:45:06,190 --> 00:45:07,450 Barbera's out of the movie, Effy. 1030 00:45:07,450 --> 00:45:08,660 That's not how it works. 1031 00:45:08,660 --> 00:45:12,630 [Melvin] Pace needed his North Star for that character. 1032 00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:14,290 And Barbera wasn't it. 1033 00:45:14,290 --> 00:45:17,830 So he was determined to make her life a living hell. 1034 00:45:17,830 --> 00:45:19,330 You're killing me. You're literally killing me. 1035 00:45:19,330 --> 00:45:20,870 - Yes. I'm going to kill you. - Oh, yeah. 1036 00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:22,340 I feel like you're going to kill me. 1037 00:45:22,340 --> 00:45:23,240 I'm working up to it. 1038 00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:24,670 Every single fucking day I come to set, 1039 00:45:24,670 --> 00:45:26,140 I don't know what's going to happen. 1040 00:45:26,140 --> 00:45:28,740 [Dustin] Barbera was living in a constant state of fear. 1041 00:45:28,740 --> 00:45:30,410 But not from being murdered. 1042 00:45:30,410 --> 00:45:33,650 She was more afraid of being fired than dying. 1043 00:45:33,650 --> 00:45:35,520 She would tell me all the time 1044 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,250 how she thought she was going to get fired. 1045 00:45:37,250 --> 00:45:40,050 I mean, I think she said that to me almost every single day. 1046 00:45:40,050 --> 00:45:42,090 And it got to a certain point 1047 00:45:42,090 --> 00:45:43,890 where I thought it was going to happen too. 1048 00:45:43,890 --> 00:45:46,930 I think the fact that she's this bad 1049 00:45:46,930 --> 00:45:48,830 violates the terms of the contract. 1050 00:45:48,830 --> 00:45:50,400 And I think we can get rid of her 1051 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,830 without actually triggering any type of lawsuit. 1052 00:45:52,830 --> 00:45:54,200 She's the star of the fucking movie. 1053 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,800 We've been shooting for three months. 1054 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:56,840 But not if we fire her. 1055 00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,200 She's not coming out of the movie. 1056 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,210 Pace was never a fan of Barbera. 1057 00:46:00,210 --> 00:46:03,910 And he asked me multiple times if we could replace her. 1058 00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:05,550 I need Barbera gone. 1059 00:46:05,550 --> 00:46:08,350 Your father is asking me to sculpt with razor wire. 1060 00:46:08,350 --> 00:46:10,920 I have always respected you, okay? 1061 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,150 I've always respected your artistic vision. 1062 00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:17,190 And I just, I need you to let this one go 1063 00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:21,090 because my dad is never going to fire Barbera. 1064 00:46:21,090 --> 00:46:22,300 - That's it. - Okay, okay. 1065 00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:24,030 Do you think, do you think this is the first time 1066 00:46:24,030 --> 00:46:25,400 I've been told I can't do something 1067 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,470 - or I have to let something go? - I'm letting you know. 1068 00:46:27,470 --> 00:46:29,200 I am a screenwriter, okay? 1069 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,140 I create worlds and I fucking destroy them. 1070 00:46:32,140 --> 00:46:34,210 And if you make me destroy this world, 1071 00:46:34,210 --> 00:46:36,110 I will do it. You understand? 1072 00:46:36,110 --> 00:46:37,740 Then you're not going to have a movie, Pace. 1073 00:46:37,740 --> 00:46:39,050 I don't give a fuck about the movie. 1074 00:46:39,050 --> 00:46:40,950 - I do. - I don't care what you think. 1075 00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:42,650 I care about making art. 1076 00:46:42,650 --> 00:46:46,320 And if she is in this film, it doesn't exist anymore. 1077 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,820 There is no story, there is no beauty, 1078 00:46:48,820 --> 00:46:50,020 there is no art. 1079 00:46:50,020 --> 00:46:51,760 So I may as well burn the fucking thing down. 1080 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,030 - You understand? - Then go ahead. 1081 00:46:54,030 --> 00:46:55,430 - Burn the thing down. - Great. 1082 00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:57,460 Okay. Remember that you said that! 1083 00:46:57,460 --> 00:46:59,600 And then don't come crying to me when it's over. 1084 00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:00,930 Remember. 1085 00:47:02,340 --> 00:47:04,740 [Effy] Pace threatened Barbera all the time. 1086 00:47:04,740 --> 00:47:08,110 And when it was decided that she was staying in the film, 1087 00:47:08,110 --> 00:47:09,880 he couldn't handle it. 1088 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:10,980 [Tedd] Hey, what's up? 1089 00:47:10,980 --> 00:47:12,550 Um, I'm sat here with Pace right now. 1090 00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:15,780 He doesn't believe, uh, anything that I'm saying right now. 1091 00:47:15,780 --> 00:47:17,350 So do you mind refreshing his mind 1092 00:47:17,350 --> 00:47:19,090 and telling him what you told me? 1093 00:47:19,090 --> 00:47:20,190 [Tedd] Hey, Pace. 1094 00:47:20,190 --> 00:47:21,650 I just got off the phone with Mocker. 1095 00:47:21,650 --> 00:47:24,090 And Barbera's staying in the fucking film. 1096 00:47:24,090 --> 00:47:26,860 So do whatever you want with that information. 1097 00:47:27,730 --> 00:47:30,060 Okay. Uh, Barbie. 1098 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,570 - Uh, I gotta apologize to you. - Yeah? 1099 00:47:32,570 --> 00:47:34,270 - Okay? - Is this sincere? 1100 00:47:34,270 --> 00:47:37,200 Yes. That was the easy way for you to leave this film. 1101 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,310 And now we do it the hard way. All right? 1102 00:47:39,310 --> 00:47:42,140 - Good luck. - Thanks. Appreciate it. 1103 00:47:42,140 --> 00:47:44,410 I always adored Barbera. 1104 00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:46,880 She had such a hard time on set. 1105 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,280 She didn't deserve how she was treated. 1106 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,350 I don't know who to trust anymore. 1107 00:47:51,350 --> 00:47:54,620 I don't know who are my friends. Everyone's fucking mean. 1108 00:47:55,620 --> 00:47:57,920 Well, you know you got me. 1109 00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,990 I'm lucky I do. You and your dad. 1110 00:48:00,990 --> 00:48:03,960 Initially, there was a lot of confusion as to why 1111 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,900 Tedd was fighting so hard to keep her in the film. 1112 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:11,200 There's a very simple reason Tedd refused to replace her. 1113 00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,670 Because they were having an affair. 1114 00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:15,880 They managed to keep their relationship quiet 1115 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:16,910 for over a year. 1116 00:48:16,910 --> 00:48:18,440 But once Barbera was on set, 1117 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,380 Tedd could no longer keep the relationship secret. 1118 00:48:21,380 --> 00:48:24,320 His jealousy and paranoia drove him 1119 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,950 to make sure everyone knew she was his. 1120 00:48:27,950 --> 00:48:30,360 And what made him so paranoid 1121 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,990 was Barbera's castmate and former lover, 1122 00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:36,400 Dustin Scott. 1123 00:48:36,700 --> 00:48:41,300 The story of their romance is shrouded with intrigue. 1124 00:48:41,300 --> 00:48:44,500 I mean, Tedd and Barbera were having an affair. 1125 00:48:44,500 --> 00:48:47,570 Dustin and Barbera were having an affair. 1126 00:48:47,570 --> 00:48:51,780 It was like the inception of affairs. 1127 00:48:51,780 --> 00:48:54,080 So Dustin was in love with Barbera 1128 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,250 and Barbera was in love with Tedd. 1129 00:48:56,250 --> 00:48:59,020 And it was disaster for all of us. 1130 00:48:59,020 --> 00:49:01,920 Are you having a relationship with Barbera? 1131 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,160 - Yeah. - Yeah. 1132 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:04,520 And you're aware that she is currently having 1133 00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,430 a relationship with Tedd Mankiewicz? 1134 00:49:06,430 --> 00:49:07,290 Yeah. 1135 00:49:07,290 --> 00:49:08,900 And you thought, in your infinite wisdom, 1136 00:49:08,900 --> 00:49:11,160 that this was a good idea for you to do? 1137 00:49:12,270 --> 00:49:14,230 She was my girlfriend first, and... 1138 00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:15,770 Okay. With the playground rules. 1139 00:49:15,770 --> 00:49:17,040 Brilliant. 1140 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,500 [Thomas] Can you talk to me a little bit about 1141 00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:20,240 Dustin and Barbera's love affair? 1142 00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,880 Mm, yeah, um, 1143 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,780 I know they were childhood sweethearts 1144 00:49:25,780 --> 00:49:27,480 and then, uh, had some sort 1145 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,420 of large, uh, profound relationship, 1146 00:49:30,420 --> 00:49:32,890 I guess, at least for Dustin. 1147 00:49:32,890 --> 00:49:35,360 Uh, and then it started up again. 1148 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,460 Basically, the moment she arrived on the set, 1149 00:49:37,460 --> 00:49:39,730 which obviously drove Tedd insane. 1150 00:49:39,730 --> 00:49:42,730 He is a man that cannot comprehend things 1151 00:49:42,730 --> 00:49:44,260 he cannot control. 1152 00:49:44,260 --> 00:49:47,330 Dustin, I want you to kiss her like you know he's watching. 1153 00:49:47,330 --> 00:49:49,100 Because he is. You know what I'm saying? 1154 00:49:49,100 --> 00:49:50,300 You're trying to make me jealous. 1155 00:49:50,300 --> 00:49:51,640 No, no, no, I'm trying to make you 1156 00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:52,910 understand that you're a lesser man. 1157 00:49:52,910 --> 00:49:54,270 [Barbera] What am I supposed to do? 1158 00:49:54,270 --> 00:49:56,180 You're supposed to like it more than you like kissing him. 1159 00:49:56,180 --> 00:49:57,280 I'm jealous right now. 1160 00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:58,580 I want you to... You're jealous? 1161 00:49:58,580 --> 00:50:00,180 It's working? We're having a reaction? 1162 00:50:00,180 --> 00:50:01,580 [Tedd] Don't say that out loud. 1163 00:50:01,580 --> 00:50:03,150 [Christopher] Doesn't it feel good to have a human emotion? 1164 00:50:03,150 --> 00:50:04,420 You know what I mean? 1165 00:50:04,420 --> 00:50:06,250 I think there's a... Oh, there it is. Look at that. 1166 00:50:06,250 --> 00:50:09,160 [Dustin] Imagine you met the love of your life. 1167 00:50:09,890 --> 00:50:12,360 And you had a beautiful romance. 1168 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,830 And then you fucked it all up. You break up. 1169 00:50:15,830 --> 00:50:17,400 You're miserable. 1170 00:50:17,660 --> 00:50:20,470 And then you're working on this movie 1171 00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:23,570 and you find out that your ex-lover 1172 00:50:23,570 --> 00:50:26,510 is now gonna be with you every single day. 1173 00:50:26,510 --> 00:50:29,140 Sex scenes, kissing scenes. 1174 00:50:29,140 --> 00:50:31,510 And you have to watch the person that you love 1175 00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:33,780 be in love with somebody else. 1176 00:50:33,780 --> 00:50:36,550 And if that wasn't bad enough, her new boyfriend 1177 00:50:36,550 --> 00:50:40,490 was my boss and would tell me what to do every day. 1178 00:50:40,490 --> 00:50:43,090 You're grabbing her tits like it's an eighth-grade dance. 1179 00:50:43,090 --> 00:50:44,960 Grab her like this. 1180 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,190 Let me get to your level. 1181 00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,360 If you cross me again, I'll fucking kill you. 1182 00:50:51,100 --> 00:50:52,800 Yeah, that's how it's done. 1183 00:50:54,030 --> 00:50:55,840 Tedd was always fucking with Dustin. 1184 00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,140 He would do these, like, psychological mind games 1185 00:50:59,140 --> 00:51:00,770 for dominance. 1186 00:51:00,770 --> 00:51:04,040 And it was abusive. 1187 00:51:04,610 --> 00:51:06,750 I just can't believe that you do that shit in front of me, okay? 1188 00:51:06,750 --> 00:51:08,920 It's so fucking disrespectful. It makes me sick to my stomach. 1189 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,220 Do you know how many fucking times I've heard this from you? 1190 00:51:11,220 --> 00:51:12,750 What do you mean? 1191 00:51:12,750 --> 00:51:14,490 Do you know how many times I've heard you say that shit to him? 1192 00:51:14,490 --> 00:51:17,960 Tedd uses a tactic called disruption of thought freedom. 1193 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,490 It's a genius military strategy 1194 00:51:19,490 --> 00:51:22,260 to take over someone's brain and ruin them. 1195 00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,700 And that's how he broke Dustin. 1196 00:51:24,700 --> 00:51:27,400 [melancholy piano music] 1197 00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:28,800 I... 1198 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:33,410 I truly believe you only get one real love in your life. 1199 00:51:33,740 --> 00:51:37,440 That one person that's supposed to be there with you, 1200 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,580 going through the ups and downs, and... 1201 00:51:40,010 --> 00:51:43,550 And it was Barbera. We were meant for each other. 1202 00:51:44,380 --> 00:51:45,720 And I fucked it up. 1203 00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:49,490 And the really funny thing is that the one person 1204 00:51:49,490 --> 00:51:51,420 who was trying to help me fix this relationship 1205 00:51:51,420 --> 00:51:54,760 more than anyone else was Pace. 1206 00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,500 Now did Pace really want us to get back together 1207 00:51:59,500 --> 00:52:01,430 'cause he cared about us? I don't think so. 1208 00:52:01,430 --> 00:52:04,500 I think he was really just trying to fuck with Tedd. 1209 00:52:05,870 --> 00:52:09,380 But, nonetheless, he was being a couples counselor, 1210 00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,980 trying anything and everything he could 1211 00:52:11,980 --> 00:52:14,080 to bring us back together. 1212 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:18,550 And if Barbera wouldn't have died, 1213 00:52:19,450 --> 00:52:21,650 I think it would have worked. 1214 00:52:22,020 --> 00:52:25,560 I was doing what I could to... 1215 00:52:26,030 --> 00:52:27,830 to, well, not mend the relationship, 1216 00:52:27,830 --> 00:52:30,060 I just needed them to be able to get through a fucking scene. 1217 00:52:30,060 --> 00:52:34,630 And, and in, in that context, that required her to be able 1218 00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:38,340 to, uh, look him in the eye without rolling her eyes 1219 00:52:38,340 --> 00:52:40,270 or vomiting or screaming 1220 00:52:40,270 --> 00:52:42,070 or any of the things that would happen 1221 00:52:42,070 --> 00:52:43,480 when she would see him. 1222 00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,610 You are welcome to attach a humanitarian instinct to me 1223 00:52:45,610 --> 00:52:47,250 whenever you like. You would be wrong. 1224 00:52:47,250 --> 00:52:49,220 I'm simply doing what is necessary 1225 00:52:49,220 --> 00:52:51,180 to get the film made. 1226 00:52:51,550 --> 00:52:54,320 No! No, no, no! Stop it! Stop! Right now! No, no. 1227 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:55,620 No, no, listen. Okay? 1228 00:52:55,620 --> 00:52:57,520 Kissing is elemental. It's primordial. 1229 00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,090 It's deeper than sex, right? 1230 00:52:59,090 --> 00:53:01,490 It's just, it's natural, okay? 1231 00:53:01,490 --> 00:53:03,930 I don't want to see sex. I want to see love. 1232 00:53:03,930 --> 00:53:05,130 Okay? Show me. 1233 00:53:05,130 --> 00:53:07,500 - I give love. - Show me. Show me love. 1234 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,240 I heard the rumors. 1235 00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:10,540 I tried to warn Dustin 1236 00:53:10,540 --> 00:53:12,370 about not getting involved with Barbera, 1237 00:53:12,370 --> 00:53:14,070 but he didn't listen. 1238 00:53:14,070 --> 00:53:16,680 And when my dad found out, it was actually worse 1239 00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,280 than I thought it would be. 1240 00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,310 Did you fuck Barb? 1241 00:53:20,310 --> 00:53:22,880 - No! I didn't-- - Dirty Dick Dustin. 1242 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,620 - Dirty Dick Dustin. - I didn't do anything. 1243 00:53:24,620 --> 00:53:26,290 - [Christopher] Tedd, Tedd, Tedd. - Pull your dick out. 1244 00:53:26,290 --> 00:53:27,950 I want to see if it smells like Barb. 1245 00:53:27,950 --> 00:53:29,660 Pull your dick out. 1246 00:53:29,660 --> 00:53:32,020 Starting a war with a guy like Tedd, 1247 00:53:32,020 --> 00:53:34,360 someone with an infinite amount of resources, 1248 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,560 wouldn't even bode well for me, let alone Dustin. 1249 00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,470 [Tedd] I'll have Dustin killed right now 1250 00:53:39,470 --> 00:53:40,930 if you just cast Chalamet. 1251 00:53:40,930 --> 00:53:43,400 [Christopher] Uh, could you have him killed without, uh, Timmy? 1252 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:44,800 [Tedd] Absolutely not. 1253 00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,370 [Christopher] Why does it have to be Timmy to kill-- 1254 00:53:46,370 --> 00:53:47,740 [Tedd] You gotta give, you gotta give me something. 1255 00:53:47,740 --> 00:53:49,010 [Christopher] No, but can we get somebody else? 1256 00:53:49,010 --> 00:53:50,540 [Tedd] I'll have nothing for me to kill Dustin. 1257 00:53:50,540 --> 00:53:52,850 They say all is fair in love and war, 1258 00:53:52,850 --> 00:53:55,510 so Dustin decided to tell Tedd's wife 1259 00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:57,420 about the affair with Barbera, 1260 00:53:57,420 --> 00:54:01,490 which caused her to confront him in front of everyone. 1261 00:54:01,490 --> 00:54:02,890 - Who told you that? - You've been cheating on me. 1262 00:54:02,890 --> 00:54:04,520 - I've never fucking cheated. - Tell me the truth. 1263 00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,060 - I know you've been doing it! - I am telling you the truth. 1264 00:54:06,060 --> 00:54:08,390 - You've never... This is-- - I've never cheated on you. 1265 00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:09,530 Yes, you have! 1266 00:54:09,530 --> 00:54:10,860 What the fuck are you even talking about? 1267 00:54:10,860 --> 00:54:12,830 - You've never told me the truth. - Who told you that shit? 1268 00:54:12,830 --> 00:54:14,500 I'm not going to tell you who told me, 1269 00:54:14,500 --> 00:54:16,740 - but I know that it's true. - Was it Dustin? 1270 00:54:16,740 --> 00:54:18,740 [Thomas] After this was filmed, 1271 00:54:18,740 --> 00:54:20,870 Ted's wife threatened to leave him 1272 00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:22,640 if he didn't end things with Barbera. 1273 00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,010 And with her ability to prove infidelity, 1274 00:54:25,010 --> 00:54:28,310 he was looking at a billion-dollar divorce. 1275 00:54:28,310 --> 00:54:30,420 Two days later, Barbera Ball 1276 00:54:30,420 --> 00:54:32,820 was murdered by The Hollywood Killer. 1277 00:54:32,820 --> 00:54:35,790 [unsettling music] [heavy breathing] 1278 00:54:41,590 --> 00:54:43,900 [constricted breathing] 1279 00:54:44,430 --> 00:54:46,930 I don't understand why the man isn't in prison. 1280 00:54:46,930 --> 00:54:49,800 He had the motive. Obviously, he had the access. 1281 00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,140 He was sleeping with the woman killed. 1282 00:54:52,140 --> 00:54:56,940 To me, to anyone with eyes or who is not being paid, 1283 00:54:56,940 --> 00:54:58,140 it should be obvious. 1284 00:54:58,140 --> 00:55:02,450 But in order to avoid a fifth lawsuit from the man, 1285 00:55:03,550 --> 00:55:06,090 I'll call him an alleged murderer. 1286 00:55:06,090 --> 00:55:08,220 Who's alleging it? I am. 1287 00:55:08,220 --> 00:55:10,360 My dad would never hurt Barbera. 1288 00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,360 She made him so happy. 1289 00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:13,930 I've never seen him love anyone 1290 00:55:13,930 --> 00:55:15,430 as much as he loved her. 1291 00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:17,000 What they shared was like something 1292 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,530 you read in a romance novel. 1293 00:55:18,530 --> 00:55:20,430 He always said that she reminded him 1294 00:55:20,430 --> 00:55:22,100 of a Caravaggio painting. 1295 00:55:22,100 --> 00:55:24,800 I've never heard him talk about anyone like that. 1296 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,770 [Tedd] I saw so much greatness in her 1297 00:55:26,770 --> 00:55:29,410 as a human being, her talent. 1298 00:55:29,410 --> 00:55:32,210 [unsettling music] 1299 00:55:32,210 --> 00:55:33,950 She was my everything. 1300 00:55:35,210 --> 00:55:36,820 [Thomas] Do you miss her? 1301 00:55:36,820 --> 00:55:40,820 I miss her more than any human being that's ever lived. 1302 00:55:40,820 --> 00:55:43,520 [Thomas] Tedd's phone records show no calls 1303 00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,460 on the day Barbera died. 1304 00:55:45,460 --> 00:55:50,800 On a normal day, he averages 250 to 300 calls. 1305 00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,630 My dad and I went to Saint Moritz 1306 00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:54,700 for a few hours to look at a new house he was building, 1307 00:55:54,700 --> 00:55:57,540 and he broke his phone at the airport. 1308 00:55:57,540 --> 00:56:00,640 But I can assure you that his alibi is real, 1309 00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,010 and I was with him. 1310 00:56:02,010 --> 00:56:04,680 During any investigation, it's always fascinating 1311 00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:08,850 to see who a suspect thinks could have committed the crime. 1312 00:56:08,850 --> 00:56:12,080 And in this case, there's footage of it. 1313 00:56:12,420 --> 00:56:13,790 I'm not going to jail. 1314 00:56:13,790 --> 00:56:15,690 Rich people don't go to jail. 1315 00:56:15,690 --> 00:56:17,720 I wasn't even in the country, I swear. 1316 00:56:17,720 --> 00:56:19,460 You can check all the flight logs. 1317 00:56:19,460 --> 00:56:22,500 Everybody knows Dustin fucking killed her. 1318 00:56:22,500 --> 00:56:25,900 I have so many videos. Tell them I'll cut a deal. 1319 00:56:26,170 --> 00:56:28,970 We're now going to dive into our fourth suspect, 1320 00:56:28,970 --> 00:56:30,500 Dustin Scott. 1321 00:56:30,500 --> 00:56:33,270 There are many reasons why Dustin is a suspect, 1322 00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:36,580 but one stands out above them all. 1323 00:56:37,580 --> 00:56:40,010 [constrained breathing] 1324 00:56:40,010 --> 00:56:42,720 Dustin! Dust-- 1325 00:56:43,050 --> 00:56:46,390 That video does not get you a conviction. 1326 00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:48,520 It does, however, tell us something, 1327 00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,720 that Dustin was the last thought on Barbera's mind. 1328 00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:54,660 But why Dustin? 1329 00:56:54,660 --> 00:56:57,600 Was it because she was saying goodbye 1330 00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:58,960 to the love of her life, 1331 00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,940 or because the love of her life was killing her? 1332 00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:08,540 You got that, right? 1333 00:57:08,540 --> 00:57:10,210 [Christopher] Got it. Won't use it. Do it again. 1334 00:57:10,210 --> 00:57:11,910 [sighs] 1335 00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:14,510 Put my hat back on. You're a fucking bitch. 1336 00:57:17,620 --> 00:57:19,420 [John] I know he was a pain in the ass, 1337 00:57:19,420 --> 00:57:21,690 but I'll always feel sorry for this kid. 1338 00:57:21,690 --> 00:57:25,090 I mean, this movie ripped out his soul. 1339 00:57:26,090 --> 00:57:27,730 I love Dustin Scott. 1340 00:57:27,730 --> 00:57:30,560 I just think he has 1341 00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,930 one of the most expressive faces. 1342 00:57:33,930 --> 00:57:37,240 Um, his performances are in the eyes, 1343 00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:38,740 gateway to the soul, his body. 1344 00:57:38,740 --> 00:57:40,040 He puts everything into it. 1345 00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:41,940 I mean, he's, he's a very emotional actor, 1346 00:57:41,940 --> 00:57:45,740 and I think he is literally a human PSA 1347 00:57:45,740 --> 00:57:50,280 about, don't be an actor, don't put your kids in acting. 1348 00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:54,890 I mean, every single thing, uh, that actors, 1349 00:57:54,890 --> 00:57:59,120 every trap actors can step in, he's actually stepped in. 1350 00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,630 Uh, a lot of the trysts that he had, 1351 00:58:01,630 --> 00:58:04,400 the women that he was with, 1352 00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,130 uh, some of the, the controversy 1353 00:58:06,130 --> 00:58:08,700 that he caused because of his relationships, 1354 00:58:08,700 --> 00:58:10,600 we don't see any of that. 1355 00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,000 We just see this, and we think 1356 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,210 this is the only thing that's happening in this frame. 1357 00:58:14,210 --> 00:58:17,780 But there is another behind the scenes, 1358 00:58:17,780 --> 00:58:19,450 which is what actually happens off the set. 1359 00:58:19,450 --> 00:58:23,420 So, yeah, Dustin looks like he is just being pummeled. 1360 00:58:23,420 --> 00:58:24,750 He's the martyr for everyone. 1361 00:58:24,750 --> 00:58:26,190 He's the whipping boy here. 1362 00:58:26,190 --> 00:58:30,660 Um, but what Dustin does off the set is pretty outrageous. 1363 00:58:30,660 --> 00:58:32,060 I swear to God, if you bring 1364 00:58:32,060 --> 00:58:34,660 another fucking prostitute-- sex worker on set again, 1365 00:58:34,660 --> 00:58:36,160 I will kick your ass. 1366 00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,470 [John] Dustin really took Barbera's death hard. 1367 00:58:39,700 --> 00:58:41,330 He was doing all kinds of drugs. 1368 00:58:41,330 --> 00:58:44,040 We found him in a gutter, 1369 00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,570 unconscious at a strip club, 4:00 in the morning. 1370 00:58:47,870 --> 00:58:49,910 We covered it up from the press. 1371 00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,410 I would do whatever it took to keep him upright 1372 00:58:53,410 --> 00:58:54,650 in this movie. 1373 00:58:54,650 --> 00:58:57,020 I already got, you know, the investments there. 1374 00:58:57,020 --> 00:58:58,520 We were way into this thing 1375 00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:02,220 and Dustin has to be healthy, and he was a fucking mess. 1376 00:59:02,220 --> 00:59:03,460 So my, my question for you, 1377 00:59:03,460 --> 00:59:05,660 and I want you to take this with you into the scene, is, 1378 00:59:05,660 --> 00:59:07,560 what recently happened to Barbera, 1379 00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:08,990 uh, what do we think about the idea 1380 00:59:08,990 --> 00:59:12,770 that maybe you don't remember what, what you may have done? 1381 00:59:12,770 --> 00:59:14,500 'Cause I know you don't think you did anything, 1382 00:59:14,500 --> 00:59:18,440 but what about what you don't remember? 1383 00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,170 I remember one time, growing up as a kid, 1384 00:59:21,170 --> 00:59:24,440 some money came up missing at a church bingo, 1385 00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,880 and Father McCauley got so upset, 1386 00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,550 he bitch-slapped Sister Elizabeth. 1387 00:59:29,820 --> 00:59:32,590 I mean, if you push someone far enough, 1388 00:59:32,590 --> 00:59:34,490 it can get out of hand. 1389 00:59:34,490 --> 00:59:36,020 I want you to hang 1390 00:59:36,020 --> 00:59:37,420 the inadequacy of your performance 1391 00:59:37,420 --> 00:59:39,990 around your neck and wear it like a fucking albatross. 1392 00:59:39,990 --> 00:59:41,890 You understand? It's a millstone, all right? 1393 00:59:41,890 --> 00:59:43,230 You're dragging all of us down. 1394 00:59:43,230 --> 00:59:44,830 - All right. - It's like a, it's a thing. 1395 00:59:44,830 --> 00:59:46,100 - If I pull this... - [chokes] Okay, yeah. 1396 00:59:46,100 --> 00:59:47,770 ...you can feel that, right? You can feel that. 1397 00:59:47,770 --> 00:59:49,500 I gotta hang you with this shit. 1398 00:59:49,500 --> 00:59:50,870 That's how bad your performance is. 1399 00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:52,610 I could use it to kill you. 1400 00:59:52,610 --> 00:59:55,010 Doing the same scenes 1401 00:59:55,010 --> 00:59:58,110 over and over again on multiple occasions, 1402 00:59:58,110 --> 01:00:00,350 it kind of takes it out of you. 1403 01:00:00,350 --> 01:00:01,380 It's like if you had 1404 01:00:01,380 --> 01:00:02,980 a tube of toothpaste that's already empty 1405 01:00:02,980 --> 01:00:04,480 and you just keep squeezing it and you think 1406 01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,390 something's going to come out, but there's nothing in there 1407 01:00:06,390 --> 01:00:09,760 and you're just crushing it in your fucking palm. 1408 01:00:13,730 --> 01:00:16,700 [sighs] I'm the tube of empty toothpaste. 1409 01:00:17,660 --> 01:00:19,000 I think I might faint. 1410 01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,000 - You're going to faint? Why? - I don't know. 1411 01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,300 Have you read this scene? Is this a fainting scene? 1412 01:00:25,370 --> 01:00:26,970 - Okay, Martin, you see that? - Whoa, whoa, whoa. 1413 01:00:26,970 --> 01:00:29,010 No, no, don't touch him. You understand what happened? 1414 01:00:29,010 --> 01:00:30,780 This man's talent cannot overcome 1415 01:00:30,780 --> 01:00:32,110 his given circumstances. 1416 01:00:32,110 --> 01:00:33,850 That's what we call bad acting, all right? 1417 01:00:33,850 --> 01:00:35,410 Don't look at him. Do the scene without him. 1418 01:00:35,410 --> 01:00:37,620 I'm going to back up and get the shot, all right? 1419 01:00:37,620 --> 01:00:39,320 Okay, let's go! 1420 01:00:42,190 --> 01:00:47,660 This film took pieces of me that I will never get back. 1421 01:00:47,660 --> 01:00:49,160 I fucking hate you! All you do 1422 01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:51,630 is you yell and you lie and you yell and you lie! 1423 01:00:51,630 --> 01:00:52,830 And I can't take it anymore! 1424 01:00:52,830 --> 01:00:54,670 Why don't you do something about it, Dustin? 1425 01:00:54,670 --> 01:00:56,140 Fuck! [grunts] 1426 01:00:56,140 --> 01:00:57,700 Now we're going to learn about acting. 1427 01:00:57,700 --> 01:00:59,740 What is acting, Dustin? Acting is... 1428 01:00:59,740 --> 01:01:00,940 [Dustin] [grunts] [screams] 1429 01:01:00,940 --> 01:01:02,840 It's being acting, okay? We're not trying to win. 1430 01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,080 - [screams maniacally] [grunts] - All right, okay, now... 1431 01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:07,710 - [Dustin] [choking] - [Christopher] [grunts] 1432 01:01:09,350 --> 01:01:10,880 All right, Marty. 1433 01:01:11,180 --> 01:01:14,390 Um, I need something sort of tempting. 1434 01:01:14,790 --> 01:01:17,290 Pace used to tell me to never argue with Dustin 1435 01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,790 because it's hard to win a fight with a smart person, 1436 01:01:20,790 --> 01:01:23,800 but impossible to win one with a crazy person. 1437 01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:25,430 I worked with the guy for five years. 1438 01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:28,230 There's no doubt in my mind he could be the killer. 1439 01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:32,670 The things I've seen, you wouldn't believe it. 1440 01:01:33,110 --> 01:01:35,070 Shut the fuck up, Martin, okay? Just shut the fuck up! 1441 01:01:35,070 --> 01:01:36,640 - Shut up? - Yeah, shut-- [choking] 1442 01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:37,880 - More an angle. - I'll shut up? 1443 01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:39,240 - More an angle. - Shut up? I'm sick of you! 1444 01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,010 Marty, Marty, what did I tell you about the carotid? 1445 01:01:41,010 --> 01:01:42,310 - Martin! - You put pressure right here. 1446 01:01:42,310 --> 01:01:43,580 - Martin, I'm sorry! - Then he'll go to sleep. 1447 01:01:43,580 --> 01:01:44,950 Very close to me. 1448 01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:46,690 And then brace the back of his head here. Break it here. 1449 01:01:46,690 --> 01:01:48,090 You know, not many people know this, 1450 01:01:48,090 --> 01:01:50,760 but I actually used to go to middle school with Dustin. 1451 01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:52,220 Um, he had a nickname. 1452 01:01:52,220 --> 01:01:55,230 Back then, it was, uh, it was Bundy. 1453 01:01:55,230 --> 01:01:57,730 Not for Al Bundy, but for Ted Bundy, 1454 01:01:57,730 --> 01:01:58,960 because he was voted 1455 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:00,500 "most likely to become a serial killer" 1456 01:02:00,500 --> 01:02:02,030 in our yearbook. 1457 01:02:02,030 --> 01:02:06,170 You know, when I really think about it, Dustin makes sense. 1458 01:02:06,170 --> 01:02:08,170 I let him go down on me once. 1459 01:02:09,170 --> 01:02:11,140 Blind man looking for a nickel. 1460 01:02:11,410 --> 01:02:14,980 There's this moment when a man is between your legs. 1461 01:02:14,980 --> 01:02:18,720 You can feel that energy just, you know, coming up, 1462 01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,250 and I got that, I got that murder energy. 1463 01:02:22,220 --> 01:02:24,720 What? You're not rolling fucking... 1464 01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:26,330 I just... 1465 01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:28,530 Oh, my fucking God! What are we... 1466 01:02:28,530 --> 01:02:30,330 What are we doing here? What are we doing here? 1467 01:02:30,330 --> 01:02:32,230 I've been doing this for four fucking years, 1468 01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:34,630 and now you're not even, you can't roll fucking sound? 1469 01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:35,870 What? 1470 01:02:35,870 --> 01:02:38,100 I was supposed to be a movie star, Pace! 1471 01:02:38,100 --> 01:02:39,810 I was supposed to be a movie star! 1472 01:02:39,810 --> 01:02:41,240 Now I'm going to rehab, 1473 01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,110 and I'm gonna fucking work at a McDonald's 1474 01:02:43,110 --> 01:02:44,310 because of this goddamn... 1475 01:02:44,310 --> 01:02:46,250 Fuck these fucking asshole punks! 1476 01:02:46,250 --> 01:02:47,250 I'm fucking done! 1477 01:02:47,250 --> 01:02:51,580 I'm telling you, Dustin is The Hollywood Killer. 1478 01:02:51,580 --> 01:02:53,520 That guy? That's a killer? 1479 01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,890 I mean, come on. He's so dumb. 1480 01:02:55,890 --> 01:02:57,860 Everybody knows this, you know? 1481 01:02:57,860 --> 01:02:59,490 He's about as smart as mayonnaise. 1482 01:02:59,490 --> 01:03:03,130 He's like the character from Sling Blade in real life. 1483 01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,030 The only person 1484 01:03:05,030 --> 01:03:08,500 that Dustin really wanted to kill was himself. 1485 01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,910 I can't do this anymore! 1486 01:03:12,910 --> 01:03:18,140 Why is this happening to me? [sobbing] 1487 01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,550 Churchill famously said that, when you are going through hell, 1488 01:03:23,550 --> 01:03:25,020 you just keep going. 1489 01:03:25,020 --> 01:03:28,290 Dustin's hell is within him, but he is a coward, 1490 01:03:28,290 --> 01:03:30,390 so he distracts himself with women. 1491 01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:32,120 He had a relationship with Ava, 1492 01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,190 and then, obviously, he had his relationship with Barbera, 1493 01:03:35,190 --> 01:03:37,830 and when she was killed, he moved on to Greata, 1494 01:03:37,830 --> 01:03:39,030 and when she was killed, 1495 01:03:39,030 --> 01:03:41,600 he attempted a relationship with Audrey. 1496 01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:44,640 The problem is that, when you have that inferno within you, 1497 01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:48,570 when you want to taste the heart of darkness, 1498 01:03:48,570 --> 01:03:49,910 you must release it, 1499 01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:51,910 because whether or not you do it, 1500 01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:54,910 it will find you. It will come for you. 1501 01:03:54,910 --> 01:03:57,480 And if you don't rise to meet it, 1502 01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:59,080 it will swallow you whole. 1503 01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,890 - [Dustin] [squeals] - I don't think that he's okay. 1504 01:04:03,890 --> 01:04:05,120 Mm, he's fine. He's okay. 1505 01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:06,730 [Dustin screaming gutturally] 1506 01:04:06,730 --> 01:04:08,130 Are we... Are we gonna break? 1507 01:04:08,130 --> 01:04:09,730 [Christopher] Yeah, break. Get off set for a second. 1508 01:04:09,730 --> 01:04:11,130 - Just fuck off. - [Dustin sobbing] 1509 01:04:11,130 --> 01:04:13,900 No, you can drink the water out of my shot. 1510 01:04:13,900 --> 01:04:15,100 Get the fuck out. 1511 01:04:15,100 --> 01:04:17,340 [Dustin] Can somebody... Oh! 1512 01:04:17,340 --> 01:04:18,370 I need my mom! 1513 01:04:18,370 --> 01:04:19,970 [Christopher] Yeah, you know what, Marty? 1514 01:04:19,970 --> 01:04:22,010 I think you should clear out, too. 1515 01:04:22,010 --> 01:04:28,080 [sobbing maniacally] 1516 01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:35,190 I pinned the camera down, because I was watching a murder, 1517 01:04:35,190 --> 01:04:38,560 a very slow murder in front of me. 1518 01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:41,160 [Thomas] During his tenure on Dissident, 1519 01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:45,300 Dustin allegedly slept with all three of the victims, 1520 01:04:45,660 --> 01:04:48,970 was committed to a psychiatric ward twice, 1521 01:04:48,970 --> 01:04:53,770 and overdosed once the day after Barbera died. 1522 01:04:53,770 --> 01:04:56,010 Dustin Scott was never charged. 1523 01:04:56,010 --> 01:04:58,540 However, when Barbera was murdered, 1524 01:04:58,540 --> 01:05:02,280 despite a public outcry to shut down the film, 1525 01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,550 the search for a new actress was on. 1526 01:05:05,780 --> 01:05:07,290 At this point, 1527 01:05:08,290 --> 01:05:11,590 uh, we are in the maelstrom. 1528 01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:14,130 This ship is taking on water. 1529 01:05:14,130 --> 01:05:16,830 The waves are crashing over the deck. 1530 01:05:17,260 --> 01:05:19,400 The crew is mostly dead of scurvy, 1531 01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:22,100 and the ones that are still alive... 1532 01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,170 are considering mutiny. 1533 01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:30,580 And then at this exact moment, a ship appears on the horizon. 1534 01:05:30,580 --> 01:05:32,740 A ship with its cannons firing directly at us, 1535 01:05:32,740 --> 01:05:37,250 flying a pirate flag with the name Greata Daniels. 1536 01:05:37,250 --> 01:05:39,850 - What is inside you? - I've never died before. 1537 01:05:39,850 --> 01:05:41,120 You've never died before? 1538 01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:42,450 What a fucking statement that is. 1539 01:05:42,450 --> 01:05:45,590 Fucking obvious. What is inside you, Greata? 1540 01:05:45,590 --> 01:05:47,830 - Nothing. - Exactly. 1541 01:05:47,830 --> 01:05:49,590 There's a saying in Hollywood. 1542 01:05:49,590 --> 01:05:51,400 The show must go on. 1543 01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:56,440 And with that, Dissident cast its third lead actress, 1544 01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:58,040 Greata Daniels. 1545 01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:01,740 Sometimes I think you just say fancy words 1546 01:06:01,740 --> 01:06:04,180 and think that they make sense, 1547 01:06:04,180 --> 01:06:06,110 but they don't, because you just want 1548 01:06:06,110 --> 01:06:07,780 to impress everybody around you. 1549 01:06:07,780 --> 01:06:11,880 Greata was a combination of Marla Singer from Fight Club 1550 01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,290 and Amy Dunne from Gone Girl. 1551 01:06:14,290 --> 01:06:15,920 A beautiful disaster. 1552 01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:17,290 You're so creepy. Do you know that? 1553 01:06:17,290 --> 01:06:18,290 It's part of the thing. 1554 01:06:18,290 --> 01:06:20,360 I love it, but, like, 1555 01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,760 the shit that comes out of your mouth sometimes 1556 01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:24,730 is just mind-blowing. 1557 01:06:25,130 --> 01:06:27,030 [Pearl] Greata was a shooting star in the sky. 1558 01:06:27,030 --> 01:06:32,470 Greata was a genius 1559 01:06:32,470 --> 01:06:33,840 wrapped in pain. 1560 01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:37,740 When I find girls like this, I peel them like an onion. 1561 01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,350 And I peel all the pain and the hurt 1562 01:06:40,350 --> 01:06:44,020 and the trauma and the distrust. 1563 01:06:44,380 --> 01:06:46,320 And you know what's in that onion? 1564 01:06:47,450 --> 01:06:48,750 A pearl. 1565 01:06:48,750 --> 01:06:50,820 I don't think Greata was ready for Dissident, 1566 01:06:50,820 --> 01:06:55,060 but Dissident definitely wasn't ready for Greata. 1567 01:06:55,060 --> 01:06:56,190 They explained this to me. 1568 01:06:56,190 --> 01:06:57,830 She, she's an alcoholic, right? 1569 01:06:57,830 --> 01:07:00,800 - That's what we're dealing with? - No, no, no, no, no. 1570 01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:02,230 This just keeps her level. 1571 01:07:02,230 --> 01:07:04,840 - It keeps her on an even keel. - It's my natural state. 1572 01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:07,340 Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, so we keep her at this even keel. 1573 01:07:07,340 --> 01:07:08,510 She's drunk right at this moment? 1574 01:07:08,510 --> 01:07:09,740 No, no, I wouldn't call it drunk. 1575 01:07:09,740 --> 01:07:11,210 - I would call it... - You know what, Pearl? 1576 01:07:11,210 --> 01:07:12,680 A state of meditation. 1577 01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:14,910 That's exactly what we call it, a state of meditation. 1578 01:07:14,910 --> 01:07:18,250 - It makes me a better actor. - Yeah, and keep her even. 1579 01:07:18,620 --> 01:07:21,890 She was supposed to be in rehab for 120 days. 1580 01:07:21,890 --> 01:07:25,620 We picked her up for production [chuckles] on the 30th day. 1581 01:07:26,990 --> 01:07:28,930 I shot up some Benadryl last night, 1582 01:07:28,930 --> 01:07:31,800 and then I did a lot of cocaine. 1583 01:07:32,500 --> 01:07:34,200 Do you think I'm gonna die? 1584 01:07:35,070 --> 01:07:36,030 What? 1585 01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,240 She just wasn't really easy to work with, 1586 01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:42,440 but the second that she really committed herself, 1587 01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:46,510 she's so talented and incredible to watch. 1588 01:07:46,510 --> 01:07:50,320 I would find myself watching her, like, magnetized almost, 1589 01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,450 like I could not take my eyes away. 1590 01:07:52,450 --> 01:07:55,020 It was insane, and everybody felt like that. 1591 01:07:55,020 --> 01:07:57,460 Everyone was obsessed with her. 1592 01:07:57,460 --> 01:07:59,190 I mean, she could have been a cult leader, 1593 01:07:59,190 --> 01:08:01,130 and we all would have blindly followed 1594 01:08:01,130 --> 01:08:03,860 her every single move. 1595 01:08:04,300 --> 01:08:06,830 A little cute puppy, and you just want to squeeze it 1596 01:08:06,830 --> 01:08:08,270 and throw it in the trash can. 1597 01:08:08,270 --> 01:08:09,840 I usually want to grab them by their ankles and just, 1598 01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:11,070 you know, against the wall. 1599 01:08:11,070 --> 01:08:13,210 No, but, like, when a baby is so cute, you just want to... 1600 01:08:13,210 --> 01:08:15,710 Greata was the most unpredictable person 1601 01:08:15,710 --> 01:08:17,040 I've ever met. 1602 01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:20,150 I mean, you never knew which version of her you would get 1603 01:08:20,150 --> 01:08:22,280 or if she would even show up. 1604 01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:24,120 Okay, I'll definitely come tomorrow. 1605 01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:25,520 Okay, fantastic. 1606 01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:27,690 So, again, uh, Martin, for you... 1607 01:08:27,690 --> 01:08:30,390 You couldn't count on Greata for much, 1608 01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:31,820 but what you could count on is 1609 01:08:31,820 --> 01:08:35,260 the bigger the day, the less likely it is she shows up. 1610 01:08:35,260 --> 01:08:37,300 [Tedd] Greata would just do whatever she wanted. 1611 01:08:37,300 --> 01:08:39,230 It didn't matter if she was shooting 30 minutes 1612 01:08:39,230 --> 01:08:40,900 or 30 hours on set. 1613 01:08:40,900 --> 01:08:44,000 She would just vanish. Nobody could find her. 1614 01:08:44,370 --> 01:08:46,070 [Christopher] All right, good morning, boys. 1615 01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:47,910 How we doing today? Listen, I, uh, 1616 01:08:47,910 --> 01:08:49,210 I just got off the phone, 1617 01:08:49,210 --> 01:08:51,740 and Greata's gonna be a no-show today. 1618 01:08:51,740 --> 01:08:52,610 [Martin] What? 1619 01:08:52,610 --> 01:08:53,910 Okay, yeah, Greata's not coming. 1620 01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:56,080 - What happened to Greata? - Well, it doesn't matter. 1621 01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:58,120 A series of events probably occurred, 1622 01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:00,550 all involving, you know, strangers' dicks 1623 01:09:00,550 --> 01:09:02,990 and, uh, and, you know, Colombian cocaine. 1624 01:09:02,990 --> 01:09:04,120 But that's not the point. 1625 01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:05,720 The point is she's not going to be here. 1626 01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:07,330 [Chad] Greata's gonna do whatever she wants 1627 01:09:07,330 --> 01:09:08,490 at any given moment. 1628 01:09:08,490 --> 01:09:11,030 Um, she's driven purely by instinct 1629 01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:13,700 and her own id, I think. 1630 01:09:13,700 --> 01:09:16,640 If she wants cocaine, that's what she's gonna do. 1631 01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:19,200 If she wants to show up on set, great, she'll be there that day. 1632 01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:21,570 If not, tough shit. 1633 01:09:22,010 --> 01:09:24,680 [Ivan] We're getting ready to do the big helicopter scene, 1634 01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,310 stuns several cameras, everybody's in place. 1635 01:09:27,310 --> 01:09:30,220 It's a big, it's a big scene to pull off. 1636 01:09:30,220 --> 01:09:31,950 Helicopter is in the air. 1637 01:09:31,950 --> 01:09:34,550 Everything is ready, and Greata doesn't show up. 1638 01:09:34,550 --> 01:09:36,690 Yeah. No, it's okay. We'll come get you. 1639 01:09:36,690 --> 01:09:38,690 Lisa, where's your fucking client, boo? 1640 01:09:38,690 --> 01:09:41,290 - I'm leaving her a voicemail. - She's not on the phone? 1641 01:09:41,290 --> 01:09:43,930 She is at a Vietnamese restaurant in Burbank. 1642 01:09:43,930 --> 01:09:45,330 Okay, okay. Can we... 1643 01:09:45,330 --> 01:09:47,670 I think she just felt 1644 01:09:47,670 --> 01:09:50,600 that production revolved around her. 1645 01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:54,210 No consideration for cast, no consideration for crew, 1646 01:09:54,210 --> 01:09:56,140 no consideration for Pace. 1647 01:09:56,140 --> 01:09:57,680 Everyone out here is scared of you. 1648 01:09:57,680 --> 01:09:59,980 I'm not scared of you. I'm sexually attracted to you. 1649 01:09:59,980 --> 01:10:01,650 [Christopher] We're fucking done! I'm done! 1650 01:10:01,650 --> 01:10:03,480 - Hi, sweetie. Yeah, okay. - Fuck you! Fuck you! 1651 01:10:03,480 --> 01:10:07,050 Fuck her! I love you. I'm sorry. It's not about you. 1652 01:10:07,050 --> 01:10:08,120 Fuck you! I'm done. 1653 01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:09,590 I love you too, Pace. 1654 01:10:09,590 --> 01:10:12,260 We contracted Greata for nine months. 1655 01:10:12,260 --> 01:10:14,760 She was killed on the 60th day, 1656 01:10:15,030 --> 01:10:19,430 and of the 60 days, she only showed up on set 37. 1657 01:10:19,430 --> 01:10:21,830 You can let her know, or you let Tedd know, 1658 01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:23,400 that if she does not come tomorrow, 1659 01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:24,600 I will fucking kill her, 1660 01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:26,040 'cause I don't appreciate the volatility. 1661 01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,640 She's not here now, she won't be here permanently. 1662 01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:29,570 That's it. 1663 01:10:29,570 --> 01:10:33,410 Greata was murdered that night by THK. 1664 01:10:33,410 --> 01:10:35,480 The video of her murder, like the others, 1665 01:10:35,480 --> 01:10:38,420 was posted moments after it was taken. 1666 01:10:38,420 --> 01:10:39,780 And the next day, 1667 01:10:39,780 --> 01:10:45,660 the FBI officially classified THK as a serial killer. 1668 01:10:45,660 --> 01:10:47,390 And that's when I got involved. 1669 01:10:47,390 --> 01:10:52,030 [eerie music] [Greata screaming] 1670 01:11:00,170 --> 01:11:06,510 There's a level of infamy that a serial killer makes it to 1671 01:11:06,510 --> 01:11:08,850 when they become known forever. 1672 01:11:08,850 --> 01:11:10,720 Pop culture icons. 1673 01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:12,950 White women can't get enough. 1674 01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:17,060 BTK, Night Stalker, Zodiac. 1675 01:11:17,490 --> 01:11:20,060 Now we've got The Hollywood Killer. 1676 01:11:20,490 --> 01:11:22,590 The first thing I did when I got on this case 1677 01:11:22,590 --> 01:11:24,700 was to subpoena the footage. 1678 01:11:24,700 --> 01:11:26,060 Upon reviewing it, I learned 1679 01:11:26,060 --> 01:11:29,200 that the cameras were rolling the entire time. 1680 01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:31,470 Something which I kept to myself, 1681 01:11:31,470 --> 01:11:33,470 as I knew this would be 1682 01:11:33,470 --> 01:11:35,740 my greatest resource of evidence. 1683 01:11:36,310 --> 01:11:38,180 And it was. 1684 01:11:38,180 --> 01:11:39,680 If anything ever happened to me, 1685 01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,210 if I ever died, look at fucking Melvin. 1686 01:11:42,210 --> 01:11:43,520 It's definitely Melvin. 1687 01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:46,450 It's never a good sign when the murdered person 1688 01:11:46,450 --> 01:11:48,820 calls you out by name, 1689 01:11:48,820 --> 01:11:52,260 but that's what happened to our fifth suspect. 1690 01:11:52,260 --> 01:11:54,230 Melvin Asher. [eerie music] 1691 01:11:54,230 --> 01:11:56,760 The overwhelming theory on Melvin 1692 01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:58,830 is that he wasn't happy with the actresses 1693 01:11:58,830 --> 01:12:01,770 and killed them one by one until he got 1694 01:12:01,770 --> 01:12:04,040 the one he thought could win him an Oscar. 1695 01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:08,440 His relationship with Greata certainly didn't help his case. 1696 01:12:08,440 --> 01:12:11,440 Greata, if you fuck this movie up for me, 1697 01:12:11,440 --> 01:12:13,010 I'll kill you. 1698 01:12:13,010 --> 01:12:16,980 The three things I look for in every serial killer's mind 1699 01:12:16,980 --> 01:12:20,590 are lack of remorse, the need to control, 1700 01:12:20,590 --> 01:12:24,120 and narcissistic personality disorder. 1701 01:12:24,390 --> 01:12:25,790 [Thomas] Can you tell me a little bit 1702 01:12:25,790 --> 01:12:27,490 about your relationship with Melvin? 1703 01:12:27,490 --> 01:12:29,430 Yeah, I, uh, [chuckles] 1704 01:12:29,430 --> 01:12:30,930 I was the lead of The Tarantula Prince. 1705 01:12:30,930 --> 01:12:34,070 That's his first movie. It's kind of what broke him out. 1706 01:12:34,070 --> 01:12:35,130 You're welcome. 1707 01:12:35,130 --> 01:12:39,400 [dramatic classical music] [swashbuckler laughs] 1708 01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:42,240 - [sword swishes] - To your death! 1709 01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:46,810 [swashbucklers grunting] 1710 01:13:01,330 --> 01:13:05,700 Yeah! 1711 01:13:06,300 --> 01:13:11,140 On paper, Melvin's probably your prototype for a killer. 1712 01:13:11,140 --> 01:13:13,570 He's got the size, he's got the anger, 1713 01:13:13,570 --> 01:13:15,140 he's got the snapping, 1714 01:13:15,140 --> 01:13:16,740 all the psychosis that goes 1715 01:13:16,740 --> 01:13:18,410 into being able to murder someone. 1716 01:13:18,410 --> 01:13:20,480 Hey, have you seen this man's intensity? 1717 01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:21,880 Wait till you interview him. 1718 01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:23,720 That guy doesn't say anything on accident. 1719 01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:27,590 I think his entire life story is rehearsed in a mirror, man. 1720 01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:31,860 [grunting] 1721 01:13:31,860 --> 01:13:35,330 Today is the day I win an Oscar. 1722 01:13:35,630 --> 01:13:38,430 I will win an Oscar today. 1723 01:13:38,430 --> 01:13:40,200 I am not a contender. 1724 01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:42,300 I am the fucking adventurer. 1725 01:13:42,300 --> 01:13:44,470 I will win this fucking Oscar. 1726 01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:46,700 I am not a loser. I am a winner. 1727 01:13:46,700 --> 01:13:49,840 I am not a bridesmaid. I'm the fucking bride. 1728 01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:50,980 Let's go. 1729 01:13:52,510 --> 01:13:55,680 [Thomas] Do you think there's any chance 1730 01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:58,950 that Melvin Asher was the killer? 1731 01:13:58,950 --> 01:14:02,890 [inhales sharply] Yeah, sure. Uh, it's, uh, possible. 1732 01:14:03,250 --> 01:14:06,220 If I was to write the story of Melvin as murderer, 1733 01:14:06,220 --> 01:14:07,630 I would tell it like this. 1734 01:14:07,630 --> 01:14:09,830 A man who has already achieved 1735 01:14:09,830 --> 01:14:12,230 great wealth and success and fame 1736 01:14:12,230 --> 01:14:14,170 from the movies he's done and yet is not satisfied. 1737 01:14:14,170 --> 01:14:15,870 He wants prestige. He wants something more. 1738 01:14:15,870 --> 01:14:18,270 He wants to be taken seriously. And he finds himself 1739 01:14:18,270 --> 01:14:20,640 on a movie where he believes he can do just that. 1740 01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:22,710 And yet there are women 1741 01:14:22,710 --> 01:14:25,480 that he perceives to be in his way. 1742 01:14:25,480 --> 01:14:27,610 Now, what does a man 1743 01:14:27,610 --> 01:14:29,850 who knows he cannot achieve happiness 1744 01:14:29,850 --> 01:14:32,950 unless he wins an award for this film, 1745 01:14:32,950 --> 01:14:35,220 what is this man willing to do? 1746 01:14:35,220 --> 01:14:36,860 Would he kill for it? 1747 01:14:36,860 --> 01:14:39,760 In this story, I believe he does. 1748 01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:43,460 You know, signing on to Dissident was a dream for me. 1749 01:14:43,460 --> 01:14:44,600 Hey, Melvin. 1750 01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,170 What do you think bad acting looks like? 1751 01:14:48,570 --> 01:14:50,170 - Like bad acting? - There it is. 1752 01:14:50,170 --> 01:14:52,700 I see it. It's, it's like this. I see it right now. 1753 01:14:52,700 --> 01:14:54,410 - Stop it. - All right. All right, let's go. 1754 01:14:54,410 --> 01:14:57,580 Working with Pace is something 1755 01:14:57,580 --> 01:15:01,280 I wish every performer could do. 1756 01:15:01,610 --> 01:15:05,150 Okay, he pulls the artist from the actor. 1757 01:15:05,150 --> 01:15:07,390 And after doing the Quick and Quicker films 1758 01:15:07,390 --> 01:15:09,250 for the last decade, 1759 01:15:09,250 --> 01:15:10,760 it's what I needed. 1760 01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,530 But knowing this footage is out there, 1761 01:15:13,530 --> 01:15:15,430 I can understand how people 1762 01:15:15,430 --> 01:15:17,300 could have this perception of me. 1763 01:15:17,300 --> 01:15:22,570 I hope they know that I truly, truly cared about this film. 1764 01:15:22,870 --> 01:15:25,340 And then at my core, I'm... 1765 01:15:25,340 --> 01:15:27,670 You know, I'm just a good guy. 1766 01:15:27,670 --> 01:15:29,910 What the fuck, man? 1767 01:15:29,910 --> 01:15:33,110 Ivan, what are we fucking doing?! 1768 01:15:34,150 --> 01:15:36,480 I know people have their opinions on him, 1769 01:15:36,480 --> 01:15:38,550 but I love Melvin. 1770 01:15:38,550 --> 01:15:39,980 He's my godfather. 1771 01:15:39,980 --> 01:15:42,150 He took that role very seriously. 1772 01:15:42,150 --> 01:15:44,760 He postponed production on a major motion picture 1773 01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:46,520 so he wouldn't miss the opening night 1774 01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:47,990 of my school play. 1775 01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:50,960 He taught me how to drive when I was, like, 13. 1776 01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:55,470 And he was the first person to say, "Do it," 1777 01:15:55,470 --> 01:15:57,700 when I wanted to make movies. 1778 01:15:57,700 --> 01:16:01,770 That being said, he had issues with the girls. 1779 01:16:02,410 --> 01:16:03,880 He fought with Ava. 1780 01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:05,580 It's really hard to act with somebody who's so dumb, 1781 01:16:05,580 --> 01:16:06,640 but it's okay. 1782 01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:07,780 [Christopher] This is a Melvin thing? 1783 01:16:07,780 --> 01:16:09,280 - Because of his stupidity? - "So dumb"? 1784 01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:11,380 [Christopher] We had an entire meeting about how stupid he is. 1785 01:16:11,380 --> 01:16:12,520 "So dumb"? 1786 01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:14,090 I mean, he has 45 million dollars, so... 1787 01:16:14,090 --> 01:16:17,790 Yeah, you know communication is only 30% verbal, right? 1788 01:16:17,790 --> 01:16:19,290 So what you said doesn't matter. 1789 01:16:19,290 --> 01:16:21,330 I don't know that you know what you're talking about at all. 1790 01:16:21,330 --> 01:16:22,560 I'm, guys, I'm so tired. 1791 01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:23,930 I really am hungry and I gotta go. 1792 01:16:23,930 --> 01:16:25,060 [Christopher] Don't run away from the fight. 1793 01:16:25,060 --> 01:16:26,600 - Just engage with him. - Oh, no, no, no-- 1794 01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:28,070 He's an asshole. He's the worst. 1795 01:16:28,070 --> 01:16:30,130 An asshole? I was trying to help. I was trying to help. 1796 01:16:30,130 --> 01:16:32,400 - Subtext, okay? Great, awesome. - Oh, yeah. 1797 01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:33,400 Oh, okay. So you're just-- 1798 01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:35,840 You're so smart, sweetie. Yeah, just look pretty. 1799 01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:37,740 You're very handsome. That's good for you. 1800 01:16:37,740 --> 01:16:39,280 - Thank you. I appreciate that. - Can we go? 1801 01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:42,310 He never thought Barbera was right for the role. 1802 01:16:42,650 --> 01:16:44,820 - Get rid of her. - No, I-- 1803 01:16:44,820 --> 01:16:46,550 You know how much money that's gonna cost? 1804 01:16:46,550 --> 01:16:47,950 You know, all the things involved. 1805 01:16:47,950 --> 01:16:49,720 I don't know if I have it in me. 1806 01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:53,090 John, it'll cost you less money. I'll waive my fee. 1807 01:16:53,090 --> 01:16:54,660 And Greata? 1808 01:16:54,660 --> 01:16:58,200 Well, he despised Greata. 1809 01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:00,330 This has been the pinnacle of my career, 1810 01:17:00,330 --> 01:17:01,930 working with each and every one of you. 1811 01:17:01,930 --> 01:17:04,870 I appreciate and I love 1812 01:17:05,170 --> 01:17:08,010 every single one of you on this set, okay? 1813 01:17:08,010 --> 01:17:09,870 And I just wanna, I just wanna thank you. 1814 01:17:09,870 --> 01:17:12,240 I love you all. Uh, except for Greata. 1815 01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:14,510 I hope she fucking dies. All right, that's it. 1816 01:17:14,510 --> 01:17:15,880 - Let's go. - You're done? 1817 01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:19,350 Working with Greata was the worst experience of my life. 1818 01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:22,290 - She even know here lines? - You know your line? 1819 01:17:22,290 --> 01:17:23,450 [obnoxious chewing] 1820 01:17:23,450 --> 01:17:25,720 - Of course I know my lines. - Can you say for me, please? 1821 01:17:28,630 --> 01:17:31,060 - Pearl? - There you go. 1822 01:17:31,060 --> 01:17:34,170 Greata did not deserve to be in this movie. 1823 01:17:34,170 --> 01:17:37,740 She had no respect for the craft or her fellow actors. 1824 01:17:37,740 --> 01:17:39,000 She didn't even remember her fucking line! 1825 01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:40,300 Okay, okay, okay. You know what I want? 1826 01:17:40,300 --> 01:17:41,810 Where's her juice? Where's her fucking-- 1827 01:17:41,810 --> 01:17:42,970 No, no, this is what we need. 1828 01:17:42,970 --> 01:17:44,710 You've done the action films, right? Okay? 1829 01:17:44,710 --> 01:17:46,010 I want you to apply some pressure. 1830 01:17:46,010 --> 01:17:47,280 Sleeper hold. Don't let her pass out! 1831 01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,210 Bro, you gotta fucking microdose her! 1832 01:17:49,210 --> 01:17:50,210 Just a little bit. 1833 01:17:50,210 --> 01:17:51,580 - Give her her alcohol. - That's the microdose! 1834 01:17:51,580 --> 01:17:55,090 [Melvin] I wanted to be exceptional in this film. 1835 01:17:55,090 --> 01:17:56,790 And she was inhibiting me 1836 01:17:56,790 --> 01:17:59,420 from reaching my potential with this character. 1837 01:17:59,420 --> 01:18:01,190 And I have to be honest. 1838 01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:05,060 It affected me. 1839 01:18:05,460 --> 01:18:09,570 Greata, do you know how many scenes in cars I've had to do 1840 01:18:09,570 --> 01:18:13,070 to do this scene in this fucking car? 1841 01:18:13,540 --> 01:18:17,140 First you threaten me, and then you fucking yell at me! 1842 01:18:17,140 --> 01:18:18,680 I don't know who you think you are, 1843 01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:20,380 but you're messing with the wrong person. 1844 01:18:20,380 --> 01:18:22,450 You really don't wanna fucking threaten me. 1845 01:18:22,450 --> 01:18:26,720 Melvin hates Greata more than I hate Tedd. 1846 01:18:27,190 --> 01:18:31,520 My entire fucking life I worked to be here! 1847 01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:34,660 In this car? Right now? God, that must be depressing. 1848 01:18:34,660 --> 01:18:37,330 [Martin] It was never-ending, all day, 1849 01:18:37,330 --> 01:18:40,500 every day. Greata, Greata, Greata. 1850 01:18:41,470 --> 01:18:43,100 [sighs] 1851 01:18:43,370 --> 01:18:44,570 She's doing fucking coke. 1852 01:18:44,570 --> 01:18:46,640 She's showing up late. It's un-fucking-believable, man! 1853 01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:48,040 [Martin] Hey, calm down. 1854 01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:51,310 No, no, she's fucking up Pace's words, right? 1855 01:18:51,310 --> 01:18:55,080 She's fucking up Ivan's vision, and she's fucking up my Oscar! 1856 01:18:55,380 --> 01:18:56,850 It's fucking, God... 1857 01:18:56,850 --> 01:18:59,320 If it's meant to be, you'll get the Oscar. 1858 01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:01,850 - I am gonna get the Oscar. - That's what I'm talking about. 1859 01:19:01,850 --> 01:19:05,660 She's fucking it up, man! Pisses me off. 1860 01:19:05,660 --> 01:19:07,890 If all that wasn't enough, 1861 01:19:07,890 --> 01:19:11,160 Pace got Melvin to confess to the murders. 1862 01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:13,930 You can do it. "I strangled those three women." 1863 01:19:13,930 --> 01:19:16,130 - I strangled those three women. - "And it felt good." 1864 01:19:16,130 --> 01:19:18,400 - And it felt good. - "And it felt right." 1865 01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,510 - And it felt right. - "Because it was right. 1866 01:19:20,510 --> 01:19:23,170 - Especially fucking Greata." - [inhales sharply] 1867 01:19:23,170 --> 01:19:25,180 Oh, yeah, that one! That one! 1868 01:19:25,180 --> 01:19:26,380 [roars] 1869 01:19:26,380 --> 01:19:27,780 - Yes! Yes. - [roars] 1870 01:19:27,780 --> 01:19:30,280 - That one felt good. - [roars] 1871 01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:33,990 [Smitty] When he admitted that he did the murder, 1872 01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:36,220 we didn't know whether it was maybe performance, 1873 01:19:36,220 --> 01:19:39,290 you know, he's going after that Oscar or not, 1874 01:19:39,290 --> 01:19:42,860 but, man, we all looked around and said, "Holy shit." 1875 01:19:44,130 --> 01:19:46,960 [Thomas] What do you have to say about the confession? 1876 01:19:48,670 --> 01:19:50,330 Method acting. 1877 01:19:51,300 --> 01:19:54,940 Melvin never wanted Ava, Barbera, or Greata 1878 01:19:54,940 --> 01:19:56,510 in Dissident. 1879 01:19:56,510 --> 01:20:00,310 There was only one actress he thought was right for the part. 1880 01:20:00,310 --> 01:20:03,880 And after every murder, he would pitch her to Tedd. 1881 01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:06,380 Sort of singles until we find a new actress. 1882 01:20:06,380 --> 01:20:07,990 - By the way, I talked to Tedd. - Huh? 1883 01:20:07,990 --> 01:20:09,950 - Audrey's available. - Who? 1884 01:20:09,950 --> 01:20:11,420 Audrey Evans. 1885 01:20:11,420 --> 01:20:13,490 Who is Audrey Evans? 1886 01:20:13,490 --> 01:20:14,590 You feel inspired? 1887 01:20:14,590 --> 01:20:17,800 No, I don't feel inspired. I'm fucking freezing. 1888 01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:19,830 You can't take inspiration from the cold? 1889 01:20:19,830 --> 01:20:21,970 I fucking hate you. I, I fucking hate you. 1890 01:20:21,970 --> 01:20:23,800 I fantasize about you fucking dying. 1891 01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:25,900 I hope you get fucking syphilis. You probably already have it 1892 01:20:25,900 --> 01:20:27,210 because you're sleeping with Ava. 1893 01:20:27,210 --> 01:20:29,340 I fucking hate you. Everyone fucking hates you! 1894 01:20:29,340 --> 01:20:31,810 - Okay, okay, okay. - And I hope you fucking die! 1895 01:20:31,810 --> 01:20:34,710 Now let's meet our fourth and final girl, 1896 01:20:34,710 --> 01:20:36,280 Audrey Evans. 1897 01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:38,780 Audrey Evans, I, I'm a big fan. 1898 01:20:38,780 --> 01:20:40,250 She's really an excellent actress. 1899 01:20:40,250 --> 01:20:41,690 She does all her own stunts. 1900 01:20:41,690 --> 01:20:44,520 There's really very little that she has not accomplished. 1901 01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:47,990 I do think that her ending up in Dissident makes sense. 1902 01:20:47,990 --> 01:20:50,960 She's there in a way to avenge 1903 01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:53,100 her co-star from Blue Orchid, Greata, 1904 01:20:53,100 --> 01:20:55,130 who had a tragic fate on Dissident. 1905 01:20:55,130 --> 01:20:57,300 And I think, I think she kicks ass in the film. 1906 01:20:57,300 --> 01:20:59,570 I think she does a great job. 1907 01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:03,070 I was so excited to do this movie. 1908 01:21:04,180 --> 01:21:05,340 But... 1909 01:21:06,010 --> 01:21:07,880 The time has come. 1910 01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:15,020 For what? 1911 01:21:16,950 --> 01:21:18,460 It's time. 1912 01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:24,600 [laughing] I'm sorry. Are we going? 1913 01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:25,630 This film was a nightmare. 1914 01:21:25,630 --> 01:21:28,330 I've never had a worse time doing something. 1915 01:21:28,330 --> 01:21:30,270 They don't give you a script. 1916 01:21:30,270 --> 01:21:31,500 They don't tell you what's happening. 1917 01:21:31,500 --> 01:21:33,800 You don't even know who else is in the scene. 1918 01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:35,410 They just go. They press record. 1919 01:21:35,410 --> 01:21:37,880 Actually, I don't even know if they ever did press record 1920 01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:39,540 because it's just constantly rolling. 1921 01:21:39,540 --> 01:21:41,850 You just go. And people are just saying shit. 1922 01:21:41,850 --> 01:21:43,550 And you just have to go with it. 1923 01:21:43,550 --> 01:21:45,980 Why are you going along with what he says? 1924 01:21:45,980 --> 01:21:47,390 Sister, I'm at the bottom of the call sheet. 1925 01:21:47,390 --> 01:21:49,450 "Sister"? What am I the fucking sister? 1926 01:21:49,450 --> 01:21:50,350 It's not my place! 1927 01:21:50,350 --> 01:21:51,860 I thought you were my fucking friend. 1928 01:21:51,860 --> 01:21:53,220 - You are a joke. - I am your friend. 1929 01:21:53,220 --> 01:21:55,160 - You fucking pussy! - Ah! I'm your friend! 1930 01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:56,490 - You're a fucking loser! - I'm your friend! 1931 01:21:56,490 --> 01:21:59,430 - You're a fucking-- - No! No! Ah! 1932 01:21:59,430 --> 01:22:01,300 - Not in the water! - I fucking hate you! 1933 01:22:01,300 --> 01:22:03,630 I thought you were my friend, you piece of shit! 1934 01:22:03,630 --> 01:22:06,900 Why are you just going along with whatever the fuck he says? 1935 01:22:06,900 --> 01:22:09,710 [indistinct] 1936 01:22:09,710 --> 01:22:11,710 I have no control here. 1937 01:22:11,710 --> 01:22:12,980 What you have to understand 1938 01:22:12,980 --> 01:22:15,080 is that Audrey comes into this film, 1939 01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:16,880 I don't know, 500 days into it or something. 1940 01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:19,880 She's the fourth actress. Three actresses have died. 1941 01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:21,350 She's got a lot on her shoulders. 1942 01:22:21,350 --> 01:22:24,360 I mean, this is someone who is following in footsteps 1943 01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:26,020 that are basically tainted. 1944 01:22:26,020 --> 01:22:27,560 And finally, most fundamental, 1945 01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:29,190 have you ever been inside a Turkish prison? 1946 01:22:29,190 --> 01:22:31,460 - Why are you yelling? - Why am I yelling? 1947 01:22:31,460 --> 01:22:33,660 Because I'm fucking passionate! Why aren't you yelling? 1948 01:22:33,660 --> 01:22:38,340 After her first week on set, Audrey called me and she said, 1949 01:22:38,340 --> 01:22:41,410 "I'm going to take over this fucking movie." 1950 01:22:41,410 --> 01:22:44,880 Some people get on a bad set and they see it as a problem. 1951 01:22:45,210 --> 01:22:47,810 I see it as an opportunity. 1952 01:22:48,380 --> 01:22:51,980 An opportunity to take over the whole fucking production. 1953 01:22:53,580 --> 01:22:55,690 Choose a fucking side. 1954 01:22:57,560 --> 01:22:58,990 [Christopher] Cut! 1955 01:22:58,990 --> 01:23:01,930 Holy shit. [screams] Oh, my God. 1956 01:23:01,930 --> 01:23:03,830 Oh, calm down. It's not even loaded. 1957 01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:05,100 Sorry. 1958 01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:09,000 I started off as Audrey's assistant, 1959 01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:10,630 um, which, as we all know, 1960 01:23:10,630 --> 01:23:14,010 and you guys have seen, um, was brutal. 1961 01:23:14,010 --> 01:23:16,940 Sandra, get the fuck out. Go on! 1962 01:23:16,940 --> 01:23:18,340 [Sandra] Oh, God. Oh, sorry. 1963 01:23:18,340 --> 01:23:21,750 I was one of Audrey's biggest fans. 1964 01:23:21,750 --> 01:23:23,380 Oh, it's so hot. 1965 01:23:23,380 --> 01:23:25,050 Your mother called and your agent called. 1966 01:23:25,050 --> 01:23:26,780 Who would you like me to call back first? 1967 01:23:26,780 --> 01:23:27,990 - My agent. - Okay. 1968 01:23:27,990 --> 01:23:29,950 I got that. Oh, let me see. 1969 01:23:29,950 --> 01:23:32,560 I mean, I grew up looking up to her. 1970 01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:35,230 She's one of those people that does her own stunts. 1971 01:23:35,230 --> 01:23:38,930 She's like the modern day female version of Tom Cruise. 1972 01:23:38,930 --> 01:23:40,530 She's pretty incredible and amazing. 1973 01:23:40,530 --> 01:23:43,600 Um, except she's just a terrible person. 1974 01:23:44,570 --> 01:23:46,100 [crying] I'm just really overwhelmed! 1975 01:23:46,100 --> 01:23:48,270 How is he supposed to do his job if you're standing here crying? 1976 01:23:48,270 --> 01:23:51,440 - Yeah, you think about that. - Waa! Waa! Waa! Waa! 1977 01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:54,850 Oh, my God, just go to my trailer! 1978 01:23:55,180 --> 01:23:58,180 Fuck me! Sorry, she's just... 1979 01:23:58,180 --> 01:24:00,250 I remember Audrey's first day. 1980 01:24:00,250 --> 01:24:01,520 Pace said he wanted to test her, 1981 01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:04,390 but I think he wanted to make her quit. 1982 01:24:04,390 --> 01:24:07,490 [Christopher] I need less acting from the fire! 1983 01:24:07,490 --> 01:24:10,960 - [coughing] - Down! Take it down! 1984 01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:13,900 [Martin] Look, we burned through 11 Ferraris that day 1985 01:24:13,900 --> 01:24:16,030 to get a 10-second scene. 1986 01:24:16,300 --> 01:24:19,270 To Audrey, this was all insane, but to all of us, 1987 01:24:19,270 --> 01:24:22,710 this was just another typical day on Dissident. 1988 01:24:22,710 --> 01:24:25,610 [Audrey] You met me at a strange time in my life. 1989 01:24:29,310 --> 01:24:32,220 We were so fortunate to have Audrey. 1990 01:24:32,220 --> 01:24:33,580 She made this movie 1991 01:24:33,580 --> 01:24:36,420 and was just a pleasure to share scenes with. 1992 01:24:36,420 --> 01:24:38,920 I know Audrey hated Pace's methods, 1993 01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:40,890 but that's what it takes. 1994 01:24:40,890 --> 01:24:44,660 He does whatever he needs to get the best out of you. 1995 01:24:44,660 --> 01:24:46,600 The real question before we begin is, 1996 01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:49,800 do either of you know what a paradox is? 1997 01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:51,670 - No. - God, no. 1998 01:24:51,670 --> 01:24:54,110 And that's what he did for Audrey. 1999 01:24:54,110 --> 01:24:56,010 He challenged her. 2000 01:24:56,010 --> 01:24:58,440 Both of you are movie stars 2001 01:24:58,440 --> 01:25:01,010 and yet are completely without talent. 2002 01:25:01,010 --> 01:25:02,450 - This is a paradox. - What? 2003 01:25:02,450 --> 01:25:04,820 It's not that she's deeply untalented. 2004 01:25:04,820 --> 01:25:05,820 I won't say that. 2005 01:25:05,820 --> 01:25:08,850 I, I don't think Audrey is, is untalented. 2006 01:25:08,850 --> 01:25:10,650 The, the issue is, you know, 2007 01:25:10,650 --> 01:25:13,760 what is your talent, uh, being used for? 2008 01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,860 And like a cancer, uh, Audrey's talent 2009 01:25:16,860 --> 01:25:22,100 is to turn the facets of life of the film 2010 01:25:22,100 --> 01:25:23,200 in on themselves 2011 01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:25,840 and to destroy from, from within. 2012 01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:30,670 Um, so a talented girl, uh, uh, a terrible actress. 2013 01:25:30,670 --> 01:25:33,810 [Dustin] Whether you like him or not, Pace is the boss. 2014 01:25:34,210 --> 01:25:36,780 And Audrey always wants to be the boss. 2015 01:25:36,780 --> 01:25:37,950 She's a control freak. 2016 01:25:37,950 --> 01:25:41,490 She needs to take over everything and manipulate it. 2017 01:25:41,490 --> 01:25:44,120 I'm about to fucking direct this myself 2018 01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:45,920 if you don't fucking figure your shit out! 2019 01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:49,530 I have, like, 0% body fat, I'm fucking freezing, 2020 01:25:49,530 --> 01:25:52,400 and this has been going on way too long! 2021 01:25:53,530 --> 01:25:54,730 Ah, shit! 2022 01:25:54,730 --> 01:25:57,840 - Don't fucking touch me! - I don't know. 2023 01:25:57,840 --> 01:25:59,500 God, fuck! 2024 01:25:59,500 --> 01:26:01,940 I need you to get this pine cone down! 2025 01:26:01,940 --> 01:26:05,340 Oh, my God! Where are you going? 2026 01:26:05,340 --> 01:26:07,980 To get the pine cone down! 2027 01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:09,850 [Audrey] I called Tedd, crying, 2028 01:26:09,850 --> 01:26:13,220 begged him to get me out of this shit show. 2029 01:26:13,550 --> 01:26:16,120 And I'll never forget what he said. 2030 01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:19,920 He said, "The only way you're getting out of this film 2031 01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:21,560 is in a body bag." 2032 01:26:24,430 --> 01:26:27,330 You just make up your mind, I will do whatever you want. 2033 01:26:27,330 --> 01:26:30,400 Just choose one thing and I will fucking... 2034 01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:31,600 [Christopher] You'll do whatever I want? 2035 01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:32,970 I will, I will do whatever you want. 2036 01:26:32,970 --> 01:26:35,940 [Christopher] That's fantastic. Quit! Quit. 2037 01:26:37,310 --> 01:26:38,610 Quit. Leave the set. 2038 01:26:38,610 --> 01:26:41,650 I can't fire you 'cause I, I already fired, uh, Barb, 2039 01:26:41,650 --> 01:26:43,180 tried to, then they killed her. 2040 01:26:43,180 --> 01:26:44,380 Greata, tried, then they killed her. 2041 01:26:44,380 --> 01:26:45,920 Well, hopefully, they'll fucking kill me. 2042 01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:48,250 [Christopher] I... God, you're preaching to the fucking choir! 2043 01:26:48,250 --> 01:26:50,090 But if you want to avoid that, 2044 01:26:50,090 --> 01:26:52,120 why don't you just walk off the set? 2045 01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:54,230 You know what I mean? Wouldn't that be easier? 2046 01:26:54,230 --> 01:26:55,630 You just let go. 2047 01:26:55,630 --> 01:26:57,530 Imagine someone has their hands around your throat, okay? 2048 01:26:57,530 --> 01:26:58,860 Just tell me what you want-- 2049 01:26:58,860 --> 01:27:00,400 [Christopher] And they're-- I want you to quit. 2050 01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:01,800 I just want you to die. You're struggling. 2051 01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:03,530 You're fighting back. Just let go. 2052 01:27:03,530 --> 01:27:06,840 Let darkness take you. Return to the void. 2053 01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:08,640 Just let go. There it is. 2054 01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:10,440 There it is. She's letting go. 2055 01:27:10,440 --> 01:27:12,980 We see that? Let go. Okay. 2056 01:27:12,980 --> 01:27:14,080 Keep letting go. 2057 01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:15,450 Beautiful. Can we roll? 2058 01:27:15,450 --> 01:27:18,880 - We rolling? Okay. Let go. - [Ivan] Yeah, we're rolling. 2059 01:27:19,450 --> 01:27:22,790 [Christopher] This is beautiful. All right. And action. 2060 01:27:23,850 --> 01:27:25,460 [heavy breathing] 2061 01:27:25,460 --> 01:27:28,490 No, you're holding on. Let go. Let go! 2062 01:27:28,490 --> 01:27:30,690 No, don't make a snow angel. There it is! 2063 01:27:30,690 --> 01:27:31,660 She let go. 2064 01:27:31,660 --> 01:27:33,930 Pace can say he hated Audrey all he wants, 2065 01:27:33,930 --> 01:27:36,800 but he did all of this very intentionally to get 2066 01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:39,270 the performance out of her that he wanted. 2067 01:27:39,270 --> 01:27:40,800 And it worked. 2068 01:27:41,540 --> 01:27:43,210 [shallow breathing] 2069 01:27:43,210 --> 01:27:46,510 If you're lucky enough to get out of here with your life, 2070 01:27:46,510 --> 01:27:49,510 you better thank whatever God you pray to. 2071 01:27:49,510 --> 01:27:50,980 [sinister laughing] 2072 01:27:50,980 --> 01:27:52,650 [Christopher] You don't work with people like Audrey. 2073 01:27:52,650 --> 01:27:54,620 You subvert them. You survive them. 2074 01:27:54,620 --> 01:27:57,220 You participate in little wars against them. 2075 01:27:57,220 --> 01:28:00,290 Small coups. You undermine them. 2076 01:28:01,230 --> 01:28:03,430 And you hope to God that they die 2077 01:28:03,430 --> 01:28:05,230 of some sort of coronary event 2078 01:28:05,230 --> 01:28:07,200 before they ever complete whatever task 2079 01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:08,870 they have set out on. 2080 01:28:09,700 --> 01:28:11,140 [grumbles] 2081 01:28:11,440 --> 01:28:14,310 Which brings us to Audrey's attempted murder. 2082 01:28:14,310 --> 01:28:16,740 As you have seen, even someone as gifted 2083 01:28:16,740 --> 01:28:18,510 as gifted as The Hollywood Killer 2084 01:28:18,510 --> 01:28:22,010 was not able to complete a scene with her. 2085 01:28:22,010 --> 01:28:24,010 Or was he? 2086 01:28:24,010 --> 01:28:31,820 [unsettling music] 2087 01:29:32,450 --> 01:29:34,420 [gasps] [screams] 2088 01:29:41,190 --> 01:29:43,590 Despite... 2089 01:29:43,590 --> 01:29:47,530 having all of the circumstances 2090 01:29:47,530 --> 01:29:49,670 that allowed him to complete 2091 01:29:49,670 --> 01:29:53,340 these previous murders successfully abdicates. 2092 01:29:53,340 --> 01:29:56,140 Have you seen the video? He lets her go. 2093 01:29:56,140 --> 01:29:58,710 [choking] Help! 2094 01:29:58,710 --> 01:30:02,280 [choking] [bellowing] 2095 01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:06,080 [panting] [grunts] Help! 2096 01:30:06,480 --> 01:30:07,890 Production on Dissident wrapped 2097 01:30:07,890 --> 01:30:09,620 two days after the attempted murder, 2098 01:30:09,620 --> 01:30:11,820 and as of the recording of this interview, 2099 01:30:11,820 --> 01:30:14,430 The Hollywood Killer has stopped, 2100 01:30:14,730 --> 01:30:17,360 leading many people to believe that the killings 2101 01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:19,730 were motivated by the killer's desire 2102 01:30:19,730 --> 01:30:21,630 to shut down Dissident. 2103 01:30:22,270 --> 01:30:23,900 With that in mind, 2104 01:30:23,900 --> 01:30:27,440 I want to look back at all of the suspects. 2105 01:30:27,740 --> 01:30:29,840 Christopher Pace swore 2106 01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:32,880 that he would do anything to protect his film, 2107 01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:35,110 even burn it to the ground. 2108 01:30:35,110 --> 01:30:39,250 Lawrence Hughes was devastated with Ava leaving him 2109 01:30:39,250 --> 01:30:42,050 and vowed to destroy the film. 2110 01:30:42,050 --> 01:30:43,050 Tedd Mankiewicz, 2111 01:30:43,050 --> 01:30:45,290 with a billion-dollar divorce looming, 2112 01:30:45,290 --> 01:30:49,190 his reputation on the line, and an ego-shattering affair 2113 01:30:49,190 --> 01:30:51,160 between Dustin and Barbera, 2114 01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:55,830 some say Dissident hurt Tedd more than anyone else. 2115 01:30:55,830 --> 01:30:59,600 No one wanted the film to end more than Dustin. 2116 01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:02,440 His downward spiral of heartbreak, addiction, 2117 01:31:02,440 --> 01:31:07,480 and death took him to the edge and pushed him right off. 2118 01:31:07,740 --> 01:31:12,380 Melvin Asher, on his quest for perfection, as an actor, 2119 01:31:12,380 --> 01:31:15,790 Melvin made it clear that he would destroy anyone 2120 01:31:15,790 --> 01:31:17,960 who stood in his way. 2121 01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:19,990 When I started, I thought I was trying 2122 01:31:19,990 --> 01:31:22,060 to find something like the Zodiac Killer. 2123 01:31:22,060 --> 01:31:25,430 But the longer this went on, the more I realized this may be 2124 01:31:25,430 --> 01:31:28,430 more of a Orient Express situation. 2125 01:31:28,430 --> 01:31:30,630 All the suspects were isolated, 2126 01:31:30,630 --> 01:31:34,840 fed disinformation, then weaponized with rage. 2127 01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:37,710 Hollywood Killer's cinematic fingerprint 2128 01:31:37,710 --> 01:31:39,680 is different in each of the murders. 2129 01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:41,550 We are watching different killers 2130 01:31:41,550 --> 01:31:43,710 working from the same script. 2131 01:31:43,710 --> 01:31:46,920 But the question is, who wrote it? 2132 01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:50,550 After 20 years of profiling serial killers, 2133 01:31:50,550 --> 01:31:52,790 there's one thing I can tell you. 2134 01:31:52,790 --> 01:31:55,030 There's no way one suspect 2135 01:31:55,030 --> 01:31:56,930 could have killed all three victims. 2136 01:31:56,930 --> 01:31:59,500 And there's no way these people work together. 2137 01:31:59,500 --> 01:32:01,970 So after considering all possibilities, 2138 01:32:01,970 --> 01:32:04,570 only one person stood to benefit 2139 01:32:04,570 --> 01:32:06,500 from all three deaths. 2140 01:32:06,500 --> 01:32:08,870 The man who owns 20% of the film, 2141 01:32:08,870 --> 01:32:11,640 who kept the cameras rolling the whole time, 2142 01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:14,680 and used the murders of these three actresses 2143 01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:18,180 to launch the most impactful marketing campaign 2144 01:32:18,180 --> 01:32:20,020 in cinema history. 2145 01:32:24,050 --> 01:32:26,320 They say there's nothing more deceptive 2146 01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:27,930 than an obvious fact. 2147 01:32:27,930 --> 01:32:31,960 And the fact is the mastermind of all of this 2148 01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:36,130 was there the whole time, hiding in plain sight. 2149 01:32:36,130 --> 01:32:38,840 I've been working on this documentary for a long time. 2150 01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:41,970 And I think when it comes out and people see this, 2151 01:32:41,970 --> 01:32:44,610 they're going to think that you did this on purpose. 2152 01:32:45,180 --> 01:32:46,980 You know what? 2153 01:32:46,980 --> 01:32:51,320 This world is all about the court of public opinion. 2154 01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:53,180 And I'm not interested in it. 2155 01:32:53,180 --> 01:32:55,850 I'm just interested in creating art. 2156 01:32:55,850 --> 01:32:59,060 Hopefully, my work will be judged by the art that I leave, 2157 01:32:59,060 --> 01:33:00,260 that I create. 2158 01:33:00,260 --> 01:33:02,530 There's no denying that. Dissident is a masterpiece 2159 01:33:02,530 --> 01:33:05,560 and the biggest movie of all time. 2160 01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:07,660 And it changed the film industry forever. 2161 01:33:07,660 --> 01:33:11,100 I know. I think that's my legacy. 2162 01:33:14,070 --> 01:33:15,870 [Thomas] So I guess the question I wanna know, 2163 01:33:15,870 --> 01:33:18,040 and I guess the question everybody wants to know, is, 2164 01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:20,240 did you know this was gonna happen? 2165 01:33:25,380 --> 01:33:28,420 Every great cinematic villain has that moment 2166 01:33:28,420 --> 01:33:29,990 when they reveal their plan. 2167 01:33:29,990 --> 01:33:33,260 They do it because they know, no matter what they say, 2168 01:33:33,260 --> 01:33:34,760 you can't stop it. 2169 01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:37,560 But Demy's plan was to change Hollywood forever. 2170 01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:39,000 And he did that. 2171 01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:42,230 Give someone a mirror and they will see themselves. 2172 01:33:42,230 --> 01:33:45,240 Give them art and you will see their soul. 2173 01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:49,610 And now his masterpiece is complete. 2174 01:33:49,610 --> 01:33:53,280 [Christopher] We burned through $90 million of film. 2175 01:33:53,540 --> 01:33:54,810 [Mervin] If you ruin this movie, 2176 01:33:54,810 --> 01:33:56,010 I'll have you killed. 2177 01:33:56,010 --> 01:33:57,580 [John] What does it take to be an actor? 2178 01:33:57,580 --> 01:33:58,820 [Ava] Do you think I'm gonna die? 2179 01:33:58,820 --> 01:34:00,420 [Anne] I got that murder energy. 2180 01:34:00,420 --> 01:34:03,050 Does yelling make a scene good? 2181 01:34:03,050 --> 01:34:04,660 [Audrey] The only way you're getting out of here 2182 01:34:04,660 --> 01:34:05,860 is in a body bag. 2183 01:34:05,860 --> 01:34:07,220 [Man] There are no second takes in life. 2184 01:34:07,220 --> 01:34:09,660 [Demy] It's unfortunate the way it is all laid out. 2185 01:34:09,660 --> 01:34:11,560 [indistinct] 2186 01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:12,930 I don't want to die. 2187 01:34:12,930 --> 01:34:15,270 [Lawrence] I miss her more than any human being 2188 01:34:15,270 --> 01:34:16,470 that's ever lived. 2189 01:34:16,470 --> 01:34:18,140 [Christopher] They hear that level of passion. 2190 01:34:18,140 --> 01:34:19,870 They hear that level of commitment. 2191 01:34:19,870 --> 01:34:21,810 And they want to be involved in it. 2192 01:34:21,810 --> 01:34:23,310 [Demy] Why do you watch this? 2193 01:34:23,310 --> 01:34:25,580 [Dustin] What I'm here for is for that image. 2194 01:34:25,580 --> 01:34:27,880 [Christopher] Now we're going to have to improvise. 2195 01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:30,050 [Anne] You find out about three women 2196 01:34:30,050 --> 01:34:32,280 starring in this one movie all die. 2197 01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:34,180 [John] You don't get news like that every day. 2198 01:34:34,180 --> 01:34:35,850 [Christopher] Making a film requires 2199 01:34:35,850 --> 01:34:37,390 the greatest sacrifice. 2200 01:34:37,390 --> 01:34:40,060 [Dustin] He might be the best director that we've ever seen. 2201 01:34:40,060 --> 01:34:41,760 [Demy] And it's often reputation. 2202 01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:43,390 That's the intent of all my work. 2203 01:34:43,390 --> 01:34:46,730 [Christopher] I can just do things that I normally... 2204 01:34:46,730 --> 01:34:48,130 Do you know how many actresses 2205 01:34:48,130 --> 01:34:50,030 have died trying to make this film? 2206 01:34:50,030 --> 01:34:52,140 [Thomas] It's the greatest story ever told. 2207 01:34:52,140 --> 01:34:54,710 And Hollywood didn't write it. 2208 01:34:54,710 --> 01:35:03,180 [uplifting music] 171368

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