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[reel buzzing and whirring]
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[foreboding music]
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[heart beating]
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[music intensifies
to threatening]
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[muffled chopper blades
chuffing]
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[dramatic sting]
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[music fades]
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[retro electronic buzz]
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[reel buzzing and whirring]
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[monochrome era jingle playing]
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[somber music]
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[Male Narrator] Between 2018
and 2022,
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three actresses were murdered
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during production
of the film Dissident
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by an individual known
as The Hollywood Killer.
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THK attempted a fourth murder
on actress Audrey Evans,
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who escaped and went on
to finish the film.
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The only evidence that exists
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is the footage of the murders
that THK filmed
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and outtakes
from the film Dissident.
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The case remains unsolved.
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[music continues]
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[unsettling music]
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Killing isn't as scary
as it sounds.
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When you do it enough,
you actually start to enjoy it.
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Cut, don't move, stay there.
Dustin,
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I got a question for you.
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- Are you a killer?
- Yes.
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Yeah? Let me see your eyes.
I can't see them.
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Look at me. Are you a killer?
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- Yes.
- Go back over there.
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- Are you a fucking killer?
- Yes.
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That's crazy 'cause I don't
fucking believe you.
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- Are you a killer?
- Yes.
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- Are you a killer?
- [aggressively] Yes.
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- You're a killer?
- Yes!
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- You're gonna kill for me?
- [tensed] Yes.
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- You're gonna kill for me?
- Yes.
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Okay. Wait.
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- Roll camera.
- [Man] [indistinct].
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[Director] You a killer, Dustin?
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[brooding] Yes.
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[Director] Action.
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Killing isn't as scary
as it sounds.
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When you do it enough,
you actually start to enjoy it.
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[classical strings music]
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[music obscures into eerie
and triumphant]
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[abstract piano music]
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[Thomas] My name
is Thomas Scott.
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I'm a former FBI agent.
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And when I was at the Bureau,
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I had the highest success rate
of any profiler in history.
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I caught
every single serial killer
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I ever chased, except for one.
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This one,
The Hollywood Killer.
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Also known as THK,
he became famous
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because of the cinematic nature
of his crimes.
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He was the first serial killer
ever to film the murders
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and upload them
to the Internet.
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But why is he so hard to catch?
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Is it the lack of evidence? No.
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I've solved plenty of cases
with very little evidence.
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The real challenge lies
in the unconventional
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and peculiar nature
of the suspects.
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And let me just say,
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this is the strangest group
of suspects I've ever seen.
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Christopher Pace,
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the writer
and director of Dissident
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and a six-time Oscar winner.
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Lawrence Hughes,
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one of the most respected
actors in the world.
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Tedd Mankiewicz,
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the most powerful manager
in Hollywood.
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Dustin Scott,
a former teen heartthrob.
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And Melvin Asher,
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the biggest
box office star ever.
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And one of them could be
responsible for the murders
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of three of the most famous
actresses in history.
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Ava Bergman, Barbera Ball,
and Greata Daniels.
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It's important to understand
what connects everyone.
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And the thing that links
the suspects,
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the victims, and the killer
all together
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is the film Dissident,
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a film which has made history
for a variety of reasons.
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The first being that
the original director,
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Christopher Demy,
did something
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that he had never
done before,
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that no one
had ever done before.
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He was going to let
the cameras roll
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when no one knew
they were rolling.
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The only people that knew
was the guy who loads the film
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and Ivan
who's shooting the film.
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The writer didn't know.
The actors didn't know.
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No one else knew.
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All of the outtakes
have become evidence
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in the largest murder case
in history.
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So Demy, right at
the beginning of the project,
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instructed me very clearly
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that the camera
was never to be cut.
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And, at first, it sounded
very strange.
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I've never done that before.
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I've shot everything
in my life.
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But not cutting a camera
just makes no sense.
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Now, he was right
because what he was after
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was the magic that happens
in between the shots,
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in between the takes.
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So this film shot
the most feet of film
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ever in history.
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The logistic is complicated,
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but the camera
was never to cut.
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So everything was rolling
at all times.
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[Thomas] So how do you feel
about the fact
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that the cameras were rolling
the whole time?
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Uh, you know, I think it's
ultimately, uh, irrelevant,
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how do I feel.
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Uh, clearly, I'm not
a performer.
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It's not what I get enjoyment
or pleasure out of.
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So I think that there's
this misconception
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about the way
that I conduct myself
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is, in and of itself,
a performance
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that I was aware that
the cameras were rolling.
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Uh, nothing could be further
from the truth.
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Uh, unfortunately,
what you are getting
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is, um, unadulterated,
uh, reality.
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You are getting me as I am
in those moments.
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Or I will make the blood
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come out of your fucking mouth
for real.
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You got it.
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[Christopher] You ever bled
like this?
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You.. Yeah.
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- Yeah? You bled like this?
- You already got it.
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Think about the last time
you bled like this, okay?
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Think about it.
Just think about it, okay?
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Again. Come on!
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[panicked breathing]
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- Yeah? Uh-huh. No, no!
- Okay, can I go?
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[Christopher] You got to stop
running away from it, okay?
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Don't be afraid of it!
Stay with it!
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Again!
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[panicked breathing]
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- [Christopher] Uh-huh.
- Okay--
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No, no. It looks like you're
going to have a fucking orgasm.
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Thank you, guys!
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[Christopher]
Get back down in the blood!
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Get the fuck
back in the blood!
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- [Greata] Bye!
- Greata, I swear to God!
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Come back here!
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If any of us knew the cameras
were rolling at all times,
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none of us would have acted
the way we did.
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I'm excited that
all this footage exists,
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because it shows you the hell
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that we go through
just to entertain people.
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- Marty? Marty!
- [Marty] Yeah.
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Listen to me.
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I can feel your effort
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to drive straight through
the rubber and aluminum.
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Do not drive like an actor,
Marty!
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[Actress] Hold the window.
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- Do not drive like an actor!
- [Actress] Go away!
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- Drive like a fucking man!
- [Actress] Go away!
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Drive like a man!
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In the history of movie making,
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I've never seen anything
like this happen.
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I mean, I've made 218 movies.
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I've filmed in 40 countries
in the world.
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I've had six fucking wives,
and this is unprecedented.
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You can't talk
about Hollywood lore
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without talking
about three films.
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Apocalypse Now, The Wizard
of Oz, and Dissident.
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But to understand why
Dissident is on that list,
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we have to meet
the original architect,
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Christopher Demy.
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[Thomas] Can you tell me
a little bit
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about who you are
and what you do?
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I'm an auteur.
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You know what that means?
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That means someone who has
a clear vision
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of the kind of films
they want to make.
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And the films I make are big,
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and people seem to like them.
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[Thomas] Demy is one of
the top-grossing directors
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of all time,
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but Dissident was written
by one
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of the hottest screenwriters
in the world,
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Christopher Pace.
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So I was excited to ask Pace
what he thought about Demy.
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He's a lost little boy.
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Um, still playing with toys,
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believing that big explosions
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and, uh, rotating cameras
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and putting things in reverse
make a film.
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He is an artist
in search of art.
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Um, I don't know what to say
about that.
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I will let the hearsay,
the pundits, the Internet,
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your mama,
say whatever they want to say.
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I know who I am.
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It's easy to say they're not
fans of each other.
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Maybe the biggest issue
between them was the fact
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that Demy
kept the cameras rolling
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without Pace's knowledge.
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Pace claimed that Demy used
the controversy
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around the outtakes
and their feud
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to turn the film
into a social commentary.
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So I asked him,
"What does it mean?"
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Everyone wants to know,
"What does it mean?
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What does it mean?"
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It's whatever the fuck
you want it to mean.
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It's like, what the fuck?
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I'm not supposed to do
all the work for you.
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I'm supposed to lay out the art.
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I know what the fuck
I know what it means,
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but people, "But wait,
was it this?"
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They stop me on the street.
I can't go to Starbucks.
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"Hi, hey, Chris, is it this?"
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I'm like, "I don't know."
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It could mean
female independence.
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It could mean liberation.
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It could mean,
uh, deconstructive masculinity.
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You name it.
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Whatever it is,
that's what I'm happy with.
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I create the art.
You create the interpretation.
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All I know is that what I did
on this film
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will be deconstructed,
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and reinterpreted, and pondered
for many, many years
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in film schools
across this land.
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I was there the day Demy
walked away from the film.
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It was the day
that I would never forget
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and it was the day
that changed the film forever.
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The phone booth day.
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Listen to me, Demy!
How about that?
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How about if I just talked
to you
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and told you
that I am not a writer,
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nor am I a hero?
I am the fucking devil!
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Yeah, two Oscars.
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I melted 'em down into a pen
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and I wrote this fucking script
with it!
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I don't give a fuck
about your Oscars!
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And if you could honestly
tell me that this scene,
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the way it's going,
the way he's doing it,
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isn't fucking dog shit,
then I will walk away
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and let you piss all over
my dream.
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I won't shoot until you get down
on your knees and pray to me.
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You want to get a new phone
booth in here, maybe?
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So after we wrap tonight,
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I'm going to come
to your fucking hotel room,
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room 246,
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and I will beat you
until you fucking love me!
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[Demy] You're not a fucking...
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You see that? That was...
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[Demy] You're fucking trash.
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You fucking ingest it
over and over again
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while I'm throwing the fuck up
on you.
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I'm fucking vomiting it all
back to you!
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You're fucked up!
That's not fucking art!
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Fuck you! Fuck you!
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Oh, in the beginning,
Demy and Pace were a dream team.
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They were great.
They got along really well.
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But, you know, even Pippen
talks shit on Jordan now.
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I hate this man.
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- Mm-hmm.
- I would love to beat him.
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The only reason I can't is
because of...
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Well, some obscure DJ law,
you're not supposed
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to fucking kick the shit
out of [indistinct]
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Um, this is
an awful environment,
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and I apologize for that.
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[Martin] The moment Pace
walked into that phone booth
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was the moment Demy walked
off set.
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Forever.
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When Demy quit,
Hollywood was riddled
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with speculation as to why
this massive director
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would walk
from such a big movie.
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Those people have
no idea where I come from
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and the kind of worlds
that I create
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and the kind
of sets that I create.
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The real reason why I quit is
because I just couldn't take
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working with Pace.
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So I left the film,
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and the press
labeled me as a monster.
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You know, I'm not
even gonna name the monsters,
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but there are many monsters
in this industry
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and I'm definitely not one
of them.
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At this point, we were
three weeks behind schedule
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after two weeks of shooting.
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You do that math.
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I knew from the first
production meeting
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that Pace and Demy would never
be able to work together.
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The only one who understands
Dissident is Pace.
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[Christopher] You'll never be
able to understand Dissident
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without understanding
a theatrical technique
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called theater of cruelty.
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That is what Dissident is.
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Dissident is theater
of cruelty.
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The principle conceit
of theater of cruelty
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was to create
theatrical pieces
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that were so shocking,
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that were so upsetting,
grotesque, uh, and powerful
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that the audience did not
have the opportunity to think.
298
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They had nothing to do
but live, but to exist,
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but to experience
what they were seeing.
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I told Demy,
just like I told Mocker,
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just like I told Mankiewicz,
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that nobody could shoot this
movie but me.
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And yet Demy, finding himself
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caught between the Scylla
and Charybdis,
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the crashing rocks
of my creation
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and the sea monster
of trying to interpret it,
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he realizes that he's drowning
and he starts a fight with me.
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He wanted a reason
to walk off that set.
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And I gave it to him.
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So when Demy quit before he
walked out of the set,
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he pulled me aside
and he made me promise
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that I would keep rolling
the camera in between takes.
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So I did.
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We started working together.
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You said one thing, you said,
"I make it look good," okay?
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But this does not look good.
317
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You don't let me make it
look good.
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I don't let you?
How could I stop you?
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You choose the lenses.
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Of course I'm gonna choose
the lenses.
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This is my fucking film.
It is my job.
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- It's my lens, though.
- No, no, no.
323
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I feel like you really struggle
with object permanence, okay?
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It's not your lens.
325
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What Demy didn't know
when he asked Ivan to do this
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was that this footage would
lead to Christopher Pace
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being a murder suspect
and would soon be part
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of one of the largest
murder investigations
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in Hollywood history.
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But let's start
with Pace taking over
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as the director
of Dissident.
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You're here, right?
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Like this and then boom,
like that.
334
00:15:46,860 --> 00:15:48,130
- Did you see me?
- Yeah.
335
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But it's a motion! It comes up!
336
00:15:50,500 --> 00:15:51,500
Ow!
337
00:15:51,500 --> 00:15:54,440
I still remember the day
that Pace took over.
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It is a day that will live
in infamy
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as the worst day of my life.
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Give me your hand.
This one, right here.
341
00:16:01,710 --> 00:16:02,580
- All right, ready?
- Yeah.
342
00:16:02,580 --> 00:16:03,950
- Put your finger out like that.
- Yeah.
343
00:16:03,950 --> 00:16:05,810
All right?
Now I want you to poke me.
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Poke me. Come on. Poke me.
345
00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:08,580
- Yeah, there we go. Uh-huh.
- Mm-hmm.
346
00:16:08,580 --> 00:16:10,150
- It's getting difficult, right?
- Yeah.
347
00:16:10,150 --> 00:16:11,690
- Why don't you fucking poke me?
- [grunts aggressively]
348
00:16:11,690 --> 00:16:12,720
Right? Okay.
349
00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,490
Now I want you to ask me to do
the same thing.
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I want you to poke me.
Ah, fucker!
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00:16:18,230 --> 00:16:20,000
- Stop trying to win, Dustin.
- God damn.
352
00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,500
And fucking listen to me.
353
00:16:21,900 --> 00:16:23,770
Pace made my life a living hell.
354
00:16:23,770 --> 00:16:26,370
I remember getting a call
from Dustin's manager
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saying that he was trying
to kill him with a helicopter.
356
00:16:29,140 --> 00:16:37,450
[triumphant music]
357
00:16:37,750 --> 00:16:39,050
Personally, I thought
358
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the helicopter
should have been closer,
359
00:16:41,020 --> 00:16:44,050
but the film industry
is full of pussies.
360
00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:48,020
Pace is one of the smartest
directors out there.
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00:16:48,020 --> 00:16:51,030
He knows everything
about everything in film.
362
00:16:51,030 --> 00:16:52,430
He did his homework.
363
00:16:52,430 --> 00:16:55,200
He's a contemporary
of Tarantino in that way.
364
00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,100
He's younger,
but he's as smart,
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00:16:57,100 --> 00:16:59,230
and he has a really,
really deep perception.
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He used the neorealist aspect
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00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:07,480
in order to reinvent cinema
from himself.
368
00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,210
And here's something that Pace
said to me at one point,
369
00:17:10,210 --> 00:17:11,580
which I think is interesting.
370
00:17:11,580 --> 00:17:13,650
There's a quote from Chaplin,
famous quote.
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Life when viewed in close-up
is a tragedy,
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and in long shot,
it is a, uh, a comedy.
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Pace said to me,
"Chaplin got it wrong.
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00:17:24,360 --> 00:17:26,130
"In close-up, it's a comedy.
375
00:17:26,130 --> 00:17:29,230
In long shot,
that's when it's a tragedy."
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00:17:29,230 --> 00:17:30,930
The thing
that people don't realize
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00:17:30,930 --> 00:17:32,430
is they're just
playing checkers.
378
00:17:32,430 --> 00:17:35,300
Pace is playing
four-dimensional chess.
379
00:17:35,300 --> 00:17:36,870
[Christopher] Okay, Zeus,
I need you
380
00:17:36,870 --> 00:17:39,070
in conversation with the wind.
381
00:17:39,070 --> 00:17:41,140
I want you to think about, uh,
382
00:17:41,140 --> 00:17:43,380
it's like
My Dinner with Andre.
383
00:17:43,380 --> 00:17:46,110
Give me Wallace Shawn!
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00:17:46,110 --> 00:17:48,350
That's beautiful!
Beautiful work.
385
00:17:48,350 --> 00:17:50,990
Okay, Audrey,
I want you to know
386
00:17:50,990 --> 00:17:52,650
that the helicopter pilot
387
00:17:52,650 --> 00:17:56,460
has a better understanding
of human emotion than you do.
388
00:17:56,460 --> 00:17:58,730
You're a titan of banality!
389
00:17:58,730 --> 00:18:01,830
Hey, you know what, Ivan?
Ivan, I don't...
390
00:18:01,830 --> 00:18:04,070
Just film something.
I don't even care anymore.
391
00:18:04,070 --> 00:18:05,600
Just shoot it.
392
00:18:05,900 --> 00:18:10,170
Every director has their tactic,
their, their method.
393
00:18:10,170 --> 00:18:13,410
And Pace says
he's a Meisner guy,
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00:18:13,410 --> 00:18:14,610
and he's really method,
395
00:18:14,610 --> 00:18:17,680
and he likes to exist
in the, the situation.
396
00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,520
But, really, his tactics
are a lot like Mein Kampf,
397
00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:22,920
you know, like, like Hitler.
398
00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,990
Like, he's the son of Hitler,
I'm pretty sure.
399
00:18:25,990 --> 00:18:29,660
We get these
constant comparisons
400
00:18:29,660 --> 00:18:35,460
to the Fourth Reich,
to the Nazis, to Hitler.
401
00:18:35,460 --> 00:18:38,300
Um, when these comparisons
are made,
402
00:18:38,300 --> 00:18:39,770
it's about methodology, right?
403
00:18:39,770 --> 00:18:41,670
Because the prevailing
mythology
404
00:18:41,670 --> 00:18:45,470
around the fascists is,
yes, they were awful,
405
00:18:45,470 --> 00:18:48,080
yes, they were brutes,
yes, they were genocidal,
406
00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,380
but the trains ran on time,
but they got things done.
407
00:18:51,380 --> 00:18:54,750
So I get this comparison,
I assume,
408
00:18:54,750 --> 00:18:57,320
because the idea
is that I am brutal,
409
00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:58,650
but I get things done.
410
00:18:58,650 --> 00:19:03,260
Well, I get things done
not because of cruelty,
411
00:19:03,260 --> 00:19:07,930
not because I am willing
to wipe out people
412
00:19:07,930 --> 00:19:10,270
in order to accomplish
my goals, no, no, no.
413
00:19:10,270 --> 00:19:13,970
It is perpetual motion.
It is Oppenheim.
414
00:19:13,970 --> 00:19:15,500
I am become death.
415
00:19:15,770 --> 00:19:18,270
Because once something
has, uh, begun,
416
00:19:18,270 --> 00:19:20,340
once, once the ball
is rolling,
417
00:19:20,340 --> 00:19:22,980
it has to reach
its conclusion.
418
00:19:23,340 --> 00:19:25,680
And that is, that is how I work.
419
00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,550
Once I have begun,
uh, I will not be stopped.
420
00:19:29,980 --> 00:19:32,090
This is not about you.
You know what is about you?
421
00:19:32,090 --> 00:19:33,960
This moment, this scene, okay?
422
00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:35,260
So I want you to focus on that.
423
00:19:35,260 --> 00:19:36,930
I don't give a shit about
anything else around it.
424
00:19:36,930 --> 00:19:38,130
No, no, no. This.
425
00:19:38,130 --> 00:19:39,360
You know why I put
the gloves on?
426
00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:40,530
- No.
- So that I can hurt you
427
00:19:40,530 --> 00:19:42,230
without leaving marks
on my skin.
428
00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,000
Pace didn't care
what the scene was.
429
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,970
I mean, hell, he'd have walked
in on the birth of Christ
430
00:19:47,970 --> 00:19:49,300
and given Mary instructions
431
00:19:49,300 --> 00:19:51,940
how she could do it better
and with more meaning.
432
00:19:51,940 --> 00:19:53,310
You know what, Dustin?
433
00:19:53,310 --> 00:19:55,380
I've been watching the monitor
and it seems to me
434
00:19:55,380 --> 00:19:57,250
that you're starting
to perspire.
435
00:19:57,250 --> 00:19:59,410
Does that seem accurate to you?
436
00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,350
I'm having an issue
with the sweat.
437
00:20:01,350 --> 00:20:02,550
I need you to stop that.
438
00:20:02,550 --> 00:20:04,350
I mean, for us,
a cut was never a cut.
439
00:20:04,350 --> 00:20:06,690
We just kept the camera rolling
all the time
440
00:20:06,690 --> 00:20:08,160
because we got
some great stuff,
441
00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,860
because Pace
was compelling people
442
00:20:09,860 --> 00:20:12,790
to do things they might not
have wanted to do.
443
00:20:13,130 --> 00:20:17,470
Yeah, Pace had a way of taking
anything and everything
444
00:20:17,470 --> 00:20:18,800
that brought you joy
445
00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:20,800
and just drowning it
in darkness.
446
00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:22,440
- Are you crying?
- No, I'm not crying--
447
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,110
No, no, no. No, no.
There's no crying.
448
00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:26,640
There's no crying in filmmaking!
449
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,580
No! There's no crying in film!
450
00:20:28,580 --> 00:20:31,480
There is crying on film!
On film, never in film.
451
00:20:32,550 --> 00:20:35,620
What I say to my actors
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is between us.
453
00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:42,090
It has no bearing on anything
454
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,390
but what you see
in that frame.
455
00:20:45,860 --> 00:20:47,660
There's a lot of tension
between you guys.
456
00:20:47,660 --> 00:20:49,030
[loud helicopter chuffing]
457
00:20:49,030 --> 00:20:51,470
Normally that would be okay.
In this section, not good.
458
00:20:51,470 --> 00:20:53,530
Okay? So I need you to release
the tension.
459
00:20:53,530 --> 00:20:54,900
At the end of the next take,
460
00:20:54,900 --> 00:20:58,010
I just want the two of you guys
to just have sex, okay?
461
00:20:58,010 --> 00:20:59,410
And we're gonna film it,
462
00:20:59,410 --> 00:21:01,480
but be prepared to stop
and start
463
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,310
because I will have adjustments
specifically for you.
464
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:06,310
Hey, pay attention, okay?
465
00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:08,450
Pace is one
of the most mysterious people
466
00:21:08,450 --> 00:21:09,620
I've ever investigated.
467
00:21:09,620 --> 00:21:12,190
He's an orphan with no family,
468
00:21:12,190 --> 00:21:15,420
no friends,
and no discernible past.
469
00:21:15,420 --> 00:21:19,460
In fact, the only person
we could find to interview
470
00:21:19,460 --> 00:21:22,200
who knew him
before he was famous
471
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:23,730
was his college roommate.
472
00:21:24,900 --> 00:21:26,330
My name is Randall Birch.
473
00:21:26,330 --> 00:21:27,740
I'm a Tony Award-winning actor.
474
00:21:27,740 --> 00:21:30,370
That means I perform
on the stage.
475
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,570
And Christopher Pace
was my college roommate.
476
00:21:33,570 --> 00:21:36,410
I would describe
living with Christopher Pace
477
00:21:36,410 --> 00:21:41,220
as, as a FOG:
Fear, Obligation, Guilt.
478
00:21:41,220 --> 00:21:44,190
He was masterful
at getting anyone
479
00:21:44,190 --> 00:21:45,690
besides myself, I would say,
480
00:21:45,690 --> 00:21:49,860
to do exactly what he wanted,
no matter how depraved.
481
00:21:49,860 --> 00:21:52,590
They were like cult members,
and he was a cult leader.
482
00:21:52,590 --> 00:21:56,700
When I saw the first video
posted on social media of Ava,
483
00:21:56,700 --> 00:22:00,500
I immediately called the LAPD,
and I told them,
484
00:22:00,500 --> 00:22:02,900
Christopher Pace is the one
that did this murder.
485
00:22:02,900 --> 00:22:05,670
It was filmed exactly like how
Christopher would film
486
00:22:05,670 --> 00:22:07,580
everything that went on
in our house.
487
00:22:07,580 --> 00:22:10,380
I think it's fascinating
that we've had
488
00:22:10,380 --> 00:22:12,710
famous serial killers
throughout time,
489
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:16,520
and yet no one else filmed
the act.
490
00:22:17,550 --> 00:22:22,760
I think the idea
that Christopher Pace did that
491
00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:25,130
makes a lot of sense to me.
492
00:22:25,130 --> 00:22:26,290
I can tell you this.
493
00:22:26,290 --> 00:22:29,360
Pace is definitely a murderer.
494
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,570
I just don't know
if he's the murderer.
495
00:22:31,570 --> 00:22:34,170
I will stab you
in the fucking throat, Tedd.
496
00:22:34,170 --> 00:22:35,400
- I will do it. Okay?
- Do it.
497
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:36,570
You'll never work again. Do it.
498
00:22:36,570 --> 00:22:38,140
I don't need to work.
I could work in prison.
499
00:22:38,140 --> 00:22:39,340
I'd put on a prison play
500
00:22:39,340 --> 00:22:40,680
that would win a fucking Oscar,
all right?
501
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,280
And I would fuck
all the inmates.
502
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,510
Is he out of his fucking mind?
503
00:22:44,510 --> 00:22:45,950
No doubt about it.
504
00:22:45,950 --> 00:22:49,950
But when you're a genius,
people have to tolerate you.
505
00:22:50,250 --> 00:22:52,290
And that's what Pace is.
506
00:22:52,290 --> 00:22:53,860
He's a genius.
507
00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:57,490
I am all things to all people.
508
00:22:58,530 --> 00:23:00,530
I am Mother.
509
00:23:00,530 --> 00:23:02,430
I am Father.
510
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:07,600
I am killer, I am saint,
I am devil, I am savior.
511
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:12,740
I am Idi Amin
and I am also Gandhi.
512
00:23:12,740 --> 00:23:15,040
- You know what this is?
- That's film.
513
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:16,180
Yeah, this is the film
514
00:23:16,180 --> 00:23:17,810
from that really tight
profile shot I got of you.
515
00:23:17,810 --> 00:23:19,450
I just ripped it out
of the fucking camera.
516
00:23:19,450 --> 00:23:20,850
- You know why I did that?
- No.
517
00:23:20,850 --> 00:23:23,350
Because I can't fucking use it.
518
00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:25,750
I can't use any of this shit,
Dustin.
519
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:27,990
Because Pace didn't start
as the director,
520
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:30,120
he didn't get to choose
the cast.
521
00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:34,030
But the one person he did get
was Ava Bergman.
522
00:23:35,700 --> 00:23:37,670
I ain't afraid of dying.
523
00:23:37,670 --> 00:23:39,530
I already done it.
524
00:23:42,540 --> 00:23:45,010
Ava was Pace's muse.
525
00:23:45,010 --> 00:23:48,180
The whole movie, the whole
concept of the movie was her.
526
00:23:48,180 --> 00:23:52,710
I don't want to say that I wrote
the role for her
527
00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:56,020
because I don't write roles
for actors.
528
00:23:56,020 --> 00:23:59,620
I am, I am haunted
by a character.
529
00:23:59,620 --> 00:24:02,520
They live inside my, my brain.
530
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,130
Uh, they destroy my life.
531
00:24:04,130 --> 00:24:09,060
And then to prevent suicide,
I write them onto a paper.
532
00:24:09,060 --> 00:24:13,270
And when I finished
with this, with this woman,
533
00:24:13,270 --> 00:24:14,470
uh, she was Ava.
534
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:15,770
Talk to me. What do you need?
535
00:24:15,770 --> 00:24:18,210
Uh, I'm just not sure that I...
536
00:24:18,210 --> 00:24:20,270
- What?
- Okay. Um--
537
00:24:20,270 --> 00:24:21,440
You're not sure that what?
538
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,880
That I really understand, uh,
the character at this point.
539
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,380
You are the character.
What is there to understand?
540
00:24:27,380 --> 00:24:28,920
She was his Scarlet Empress.
541
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,790
She was his Marlene Dietrich
to Josef von Sternberg.
542
00:24:33,790 --> 00:24:36,360
If von Sternberg
had lost Dietrich,
543
00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:38,090
this would have been
a big hole
544
00:24:38,090 --> 00:24:39,260
in the history of cinema
545
00:24:39,260 --> 00:24:42,600
uh, and some images that were
amazing and shocking.
546
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,670
I think it was a real blow,
um, to Pace
547
00:24:46,670 --> 00:24:47,900
uh, when this happened.
548
00:24:47,900 --> 00:24:51,440
And I think that it turned him
549
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,110
into a dissident
toward his own movie,
550
00:24:54,110 --> 00:24:55,280
which was Dissident.
551
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:56,980
Quit ripping the film
out of the fucking camera!
552
00:24:56,980 --> 00:24:58,680
What are you going to use
it for, Tedd?
553
00:24:58,680 --> 00:24:59,880
Quit ripping the fuckin' film!
554
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:01,720
What do you want me
to do with it, Tedd?
555
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,080
At least look at the dailies,
motherfucker!
556
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,950
I don't need to see the dailies!
I do all the scenes, Tedd!
557
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:07,790
[Melvin] People think Pace's
issues started with Barbera,
558
00:25:07,790 --> 00:25:09,460
but the fact of the matter is
559
00:25:09,460 --> 00:25:11,990
it wasn't all sunshine
and rainbows with Ava, either.
560
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:15,160
Pace was in pursuit
of perfection.
561
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,470
And from what I saw,
Ava couldn't give it to him.
562
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:19,900
- I think we can drill down...
- Okay.
563
00:25:19,900 --> 00:25:21,370
...and start doing
something interesting.
564
00:25:21,370 --> 00:25:24,570
I need, I need, I need somebody,
I need somebody to literally,
565
00:25:24,570 --> 00:25:25,910
like, call my therapist
566
00:25:25,910 --> 00:25:27,680
because, like, she knows that
when I'm stressed out,
567
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,040
like, I need, like,
a breathing exercise...
568
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,410
I think you need to act
when you're stressed out.
569
00:25:31,410 --> 00:25:32,810
I think you need to let it go.
570
00:25:32,810 --> 00:25:33,980
No, I don't think that I should.
571
00:25:33,980 --> 00:25:35,480
This is beautiful,
but you gotta let it out.
572
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:39,850
From my research, Pace never
had an issue with her acting.
573
00:25:39,850 --> 00:25:42,290
He had an issue
with her boyfriend,
574
00:25:42,290 --> 00:25:44,160
a man who many people say
575
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,490
is the greatest actor
of all time.
576
00:25:46,490 --> 00:25:49,630
Our next suspect,
Lawrence Hughes.
577
00:25:50,730 --> 00:25:53,670
Welcome to the picture show!
578
00:25:53,670 --> 00:25:56,070
[reel buzzing]
579
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:59,340
Lawrence is a unique suspect
for three reasons.
580
00:25:59,340 --> 00:26:03,080
Number one, he was not
in the film, Dissident.
581
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,680
Two, I was not able
to interview him
582
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,920
while at the FBI
or for this documentary.
583
00:26:09,220 --> 00:26:12,220
And, finally,
the day before Ava's murder,
584
00:26:12,220 --> 00:26:15,960
he disappeared
and has not been seen since.
585
00:26:16,620 --> 00:26:18,330
So to understand Lawrence,
586
00:26:18,330 --> 00:26:21,600
let's start with
his relationship with Pace.
587
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,400
The only way to describe
Lawrence and Pace
588
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,230
is the same type of relationship
589
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:28,570
that Werner Herzog had
with Klaus Kinski.
590
00:26:28,570 --> 00:26:31,170
Herzog and Kinski were at each
other's throats all the time.
591
00:26:31,170 --> 00:26:33,810
They fought constantly.
They pulled guns on each other.
592
00:26:33,810 --> 00:26:35,340
They threatened
to kill each other,
593
00:26:35,340 --> 00:26:36,840
walk off movies, et cetera.
594
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:42,020
But they made five films
together between 1972 and '87.
595
00:26:42,020 --> 00:26:44,290
And they were good, good movies.
596
00:26:44,290 --> 00:26:46,820
Lawrence and Pace
made The Last Great Actor,
597
00:26:46,820 --> 00:26:48,590
which some people consider
598
00:26:48,590 --> 00:26:51,560
to be the greatest film
ever made.
599
00:26:51,860 --> 00:26:54,930
And often compared
to Citizen Kane.
600
00:26:54,930 --> 00:26:58,170
But the truth is,
without Lawrence's star power,
601
00:26:58,170 --> 00:27:00,170
there wouldn't have been
a film.
602
00:27:00,170 --> 00:27:03,900
And without that film,
there would be no Pace.
603
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:07,110
Reality is that movie wouldn't
have been made without him.
604
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:08,740
I was nobody.
605
00:27:08,740 --> 00:27:11,310
And he took a massive risk
by signing on to it.
606
00:27:11,610 --> 00:27:14,150
And despite everything that's
happened between us since,
607
00:27:14,150 --> 00:27:16,320
I will always be grateful
to him for that.
608
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,790
[Ivan] When Lawrence signed on
to do The Last Great Actor,
609
00:27:19,790 --> 00:27:21,160
I was shocked.
610
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:26,160
Um, he had not done a movie
that small in a long time.
611
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,500
Lawrence is great
in every movie he does.
612
00:27:28,500 --> 00:27:32,870
But in this one, he delivered
the performance of a lifetime.
613
00:27:33,170 --> 00:27:36,900
When I was a kid, you know,
I had this little bunk bed.
614
00:27:36,900 --> 00:27:40,410
And my, uh, my brother
would sleep underneath me.
615
00:27:42,210 --> 00:27:44,280
So I climbed down one night.
I couldn't sleep.
616
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:45,910
I was thinking
about scary stuff, you know?
617
00:27:45,910 --> 00:27:51,220
And, uh, there's this little
sculpture of a rattlesnake.
618
00:27:51,220 --> 00:27:53,790
It was my dad's favorite,
favorite sculpture.
619
00:27:53,790 --> 00:27:56,460
He got it in Arizona.
I don't know.
620
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,790
I wanted to see it.
I wanted to play with it.
621
00:27:58,790 --> 00:28:01,330
So I grabbed it down
and I looked at it.
622
00:28:01,330 --> 00:28:04,670
And all of a sudden,
it slipped from my hands
623
00:28:04,670 --> 00:28:07,170
and just shattered
into a million pieces.
624
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,340
All of a sudden, my...
625
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,310
My dad flings open the door
626
00:28:13,310 --> 00:28:16,740
and he makes his face
just like this.
627
00:28:16,740 --> 00:28:18,810
And his hands got so big!
628
00:28:18,810 --> 00:28:21,920
And then he started wailing
on me and my brother!
629
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,490
Just beating
the living piss out of us!
630
00:28:24,490 --> 00:28:26,990
And my brother's
in the corner of the bed just,
631
00:28:26,990 --> 00:28:30,960
"Ah! Dad! No, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no!
632
00:28:32,030 --> 00:28:33,960
No!"
633
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,400
And then my dad just shuts
the door and he leaves!
634
00:28:38,730 --> 00:28:41,000
And there's my brother, Luke,
635
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,340
and he's in the corner,
and he's just like, "Why?
636
00:28:45,340 --> 00:28:47,510
"Why would he do that?
637
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:50,210
"Why would he come in
in the middle of the night
638
00:28:50,210 --> 00:28:52,850
and just beat the shit
out of us?"
639
00:28:52,850 --> 00:28:55,580
And I knew why,
because I was fucking around,
640
00:28:55,580 --> 00:28:57,280
but he never knew.
641
00:28:59,750 --> 00:29:01,720
I never told him.
642
00:29:02,020 --> 00:29:04,760
[heavy breathing]
Even to this day,
643
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,260
I've never told him.
644
00:29:09,130 --> 00:29:10,900
Some people say
that is the greatest scene
645
00:29:10,900 --> 00:29:12,370
in film history.
646
00:29:12,370 --> 00:29:14,100
Their words, not mine.
647
00:29:14,570 --> 00:29:17,640
I have written the greatest
scene in film history.
648
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,270
But it's not that one.
649
00:29:20,510 --> 00:29:21,810
After The Last Great Actor,
650
00:29:21,810 --> 00:29:24,040
everyone thought
that Lawrence and Pace
651
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,410
were, you know, the next
Scorsese and De Niro.
652
00:29:27,410 --> 00:29:29,580
They made the film
for $1 million
653
00:29:29,580 --> 00:29:33,050
and it grossed $120 million.
654
00:29:33,050 --> 00:29:36,290
Despite the success of the film,
both men swore
655
00:29:36,290 --> 00:29:38,690
that they would never
work together again.
656
00:29:38,690 --> 00:29:41,960
In fact, no one who has
ever worked with Lawrence
657
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,270
will work with him
a second time.
658
00:29:44,270 --> 00:29:46,770
And it's not
because people hate him.
659
00:29:46,770 --> 00:29:49,240
It's because they are scared
of him.
660
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,370
Lawrence's talent
is his biggest enemy.
661
00:29:52,370 --> 00:29:53,740
[sobbing]
662
00:29:54,010 --> 00:29:56,210
I mean, about what anybody else
knows about him,
663
00:29:56,210 --> 00:29:59,910
he's probably the most talented
actor that's ever existed.
664
00:29:59,910 --> 00:30:02,050
This guy's dedication
to his craft
665
00:30:02,050 --> 00:30:04,450
and to the arts
is second to none.
666
00:30:04,450 --> 00:30:06,490
Lawrence is dedicated
to performance.
667
00:30:06,490 --> 00:30:08,760
Man, if there's one guy
I've always been looking up to,
668
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,090
it's him.
669
00:30:10,090 --> 00:30:13,390
I discovered Lawrence
when he was nine years old.
670
00:30:13,390 --> 00:30:15,630
Sometimes, I wish
I really didn't
671
00:30:15,630 --> 00:30:18,770
because he never had a chance
to live a normal life.
672
00:30:18,770 --> 00:30:20,470
And I feel guilty
because of that.
673
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:23,640
Yeah, I think he had
unrealistic expectations
674
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,440
put on him from an early age.
675
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,240
And although he fulfilled them
with talent,
676
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,580
in his own body,
he never felt like himself.
677
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,280
[Christopher] Why is Lawrence
a great actor?
678
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,050
Uh, is it
because he wins many awards?
679
00:30:37,050 --> 00:30:39,450
Is it because
he commits himself
680
00:30:39,450 --> 00:30:42,060
to the roles to the detriment
of himself
681
00:30:42,060 --> 00:30:44,830
and to everyone around him?
No, no, no, no.
682
00:30:44,830 --> 00:30:46,730
The hardest thing
for any actor to do
683
00:30:46,730 --> 00:30:48,260
is to lose themselves,
684
00:30:48,260 --> 00:30:51,200
to give up their own humanity
in place of the characters.
685
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,040
Lawrence is great because he
has no self to lose.
686
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,500
Lawrence is not a human being.
687
00:30:57,500 --> 00:30:58,810
He is an empty shell.
688
00:30:58,810 --> 00:31:00,770
Regardless of what you see
on screen,
689
00:31:00,770 --> 00:31:03,280
he is simply not there.
690
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,250
Which is why he's able to do
anything once the camera rolls.
691
00:31:07,250 --> 00:31:11,390
The second you call cut,
the man is a disaster.
692
00:31:11,390 --> 00:31:14,020
[Thomas] Do you have any
idea who the killer might be?
693
00:31:14,020 --> 00:31:19,190
Oh. If I had to pick a guy,
694
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:21,260
I think it's Lawrence.
695
00:31:21,260 --> 00:31:23,460
Lawrence is one
of these guys that,
696
00:31:23,460 --> 00:31:25,030
I don't know
what they call 'em,
697
00:31:25,030 --> 00:31:27,800
but he'd get into a role
and he'd stay in that role
698
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,200
through the whole movie.
699
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,010
I mean, whether he was
in our car
700
00:31:31,010 --> 00:31:32,810
or ordering a hamburger
at McDonald's,
701
00:31:32,810 --> 00:31:34,170
he'd stay in that role.
702
00:31:34,170 --> 00:31:36,940
I mean, it's a little weird
when he does that.
703
00:31:36,940 --> 00:31:38,680
So, you know,
when he goes home
704
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,420
after playing Neil Armstrong,
I think he's thinking
705
00:31:41,420 --> 00:31:43,320
he's home,
walking on the moon.
706
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,920
And when he goes home
as a crazed murderer,
707
00:31:48,060 --> 00:31:50,020
he might be a crazed murderer.
708
00:31:50,990 --> 00:31:52,660
[Harry] Working with
Lawrence Hughes
709
00:31:52,660 --> 00:31:55,060
on Justice Explosion
was one of the most
710
00:31:55,060 --> 00:31:57,930
rewarding experiences
of my entire career.
711
00:31:57,930 --> 00:31:59,570
I often tell people,
712
00:31:59,570 --> 00:32:02,940
Lawrence is, is like
a wild Mustang.
713
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,070
The good part of that is one
714
00:32:05,070 --> 00:32:08,180
of the most beautiful sights
you'll ever see.
715
00:32:08,180 --> 00:32:11,880
The bad side,
you try to ride him,
716
00:32:12,150 --> 00:32:13,380
you'll get bucked
from the saddle
717
00:32:13,380 --> 00:32:15,220
and he'll trample you to death.
718
00:32:15,220 --> 00:32:17,950
No one dedicates themselves
more than Lawrence.
719
00:32:18,220 --> 00:32:20,590
On Justice Explosion,
he started to lose it.
720
00:32:20,590 --> 00:32:22,360
We got calls
from the cast and crew
721
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,930
saying he scared someone
or made someone cry every day.
722
00:32:25,930 --> 00:32:28,560
This is the reason I think
people believe that Lawrence
723
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:29,930
is The Hollywood Killer.
724
00:32:29,930 --> 00:32:33,900
I mean, he had been
in over 30 films
725
00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:36,170
where he'd had to do
serious stunts.
726
00:32:36,170 --> 00:32:38,040
I mean, he has a background
in wrestling,
727
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,340
boxing, jujitsu, wire work.
728
00:32:40,340 --> 00:32:44,450
It's really impressive,
his, like, physical ability.
729
00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:45,610
And...
730
00:32:47,580 --> 00:32:50,450
he might have been
the only one who was capable
731
00:32:50,450 --> 00:32:53,120
of committing
some of these crimes.
732
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,290
[Samuel] He's certainly got
what it takes.
733
00:32:55,290 --> 00:32:57,890
Close, intimate relationship.
734
00:32:57,890 --> 00:33:00,960
Uh, disappeared
after the murder.
735
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,300
Plays a lot
of unhinged characters.
736
00:33:04,700 --> 00:33:06,900
Known for not ever
breaking character,
737
00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:08,640
even when the film
is long gone.
738
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,340
So he's living
split personality day to day.
739
00:33:11,340 --> 00:33:13,570
And in some ways,
I really admire that.
740
00:33:13,570 --> 00:33:15,640
[Thomas] Aside from
his connection to Pace,
741
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,310
Lawrence was also connected
to Dissident in another way,
742
00:33:19,310 --> 00:33:22,080
through his relationship
with Ava.
743
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,250
Ava and Lawrence were together
on and off for three years.
744
00:33:25,250 --> 00:33:27,220
But during production
of Dissident,
745
00:33:27,220 --> 00:33:29,490
Ava ended things with him
for good.
746
00:33:29,490 --> 00:33:33,390
And this sent Lawrence
into a downward spiral.
747
00:33:33,690 --> 00:33:37,060
Despite a restraining order,
Lawrence kept showing up
748
00:33:37,060 --> 00:33:38,370
anywhere she was,
749
00:33:38,370 --> 00:33:41,200
and even showed up
on the set of Dissident.
750
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,400
- Hi.
- Hi, how you doing?
751
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,300
- Hey... Dustin.
- Lawrence. Nice to meet you.
752
00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:46,040
- How are you?
- Damn good.
753
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,570
- Hi. Hi, how are you?
- Hi.
754
00:33:47,570 --> 00:33:49,640
No, no, let's
try it again, okay?
755
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,110
Obviously, this did not go
over well with Pace.
756
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:54,350
- [Christopher] Larry Hughes?
- Hey.
757
00:33:54,350 --> 00:33:56,220
My old fucking friend.
How you doing?
758
00:33:56,220 --> 00:33:57,650
- Hey--
- Fucking come onto my set!
759
00:33:57,650 --> 00:33:59,890
You come onto my fucking set!
Yeah?
760
00:33:59,890 --> 00:34:02,960
[Thomas] After this, Lawrence
was banned from the set,
761
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,330
which made him even more crazy.
762
00:34:05,730 --> 00:34:09,330
Me and my dad both begged
Lawrence to stop showing up,
763
00:34:09,330 --> 00:34:12,200
but he just snapped.
764
00:34:12,570 --> 00:34:14,670
He would do anything to try
and see her.
765
00:34:14,670 --> 00:34:16,700
Everyone needs to stay put.
Larry's here.
766
00:34:16,700 --> 00:34:18,010
He's going crazy outside,
767
00:34:18,010 --> 00:34:19,340
and I got Ava locked
in the trailer.
768
00:34:19,340 --> 00:34:20,540
So we just need to sort of,
769
00:34:20,540 --> 00:34:24,010
you know, shelter in place
until, um, he's done
770
00:34:24,010 --> 00:34:25,480
with whatever rant
he's going on.
771
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,120
[Ivan] He kept calling me
and trying to figure out
772
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:29,880
when Ava was on a break
773
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,120
and when she was stepping out
for lunch or something.
774
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,160
I had to stop answering
his calls
775
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,460
'cause he was just...
freaking crazy.
776
00:34:37,460 --> 00:34:40,990
And production had security
guards on the perimeter.
777
00:34:40,990 --> 00:34:43,300
He could not get anywhere near.
778
00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:45,230
- It got crazy.
- He's obsessed.
779
00:34:45,230 --> 00:34:46,670
- No.
- It's not healthy.
780
00:34:46,670 --> 00:34:49,270
- It's absolutely bizarre.
- That's crazy. You know what?
781
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:51,770
I'm going to keep my eyes open
because that is insane,
782
00:34:51,770 --> 00:34:54,040
and I want you to be comfortable
at all times on this set.
783
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:55,410
- Thank you. Thank you.
- I'm serious.
784
00:34:55,410 --> 00:34:57,110
We've been knowing each other
for too long.
785
00:34:57,110 --> 00:34:58,510
Thank you. You're sweet.
786
00:34:58,510 --> 00:35:00,580
But if you, um, do you find me,
like, in a vat of oil
787
00:35:00,580 --> 00:35:02,320
or, like, dismembered
in the valley,
788
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,750
like, just, you know,
probably him.
789
00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:07,190
[Effy] Ava was over it.
790
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:08,890
She didn't want to talk
to Lawrence anymore,
791
00:35:08,890 --> 00:35:10,420
and he knew that.
792
00:35:10,420 --> 00:35:13,130
I mean, I remember her
telling me that,
793
00:35:13,130 --> 00:35:15,360
uh, she was terrified of him.
794
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,330
But he kept calling.
795
00:35:17,330 --> 00:35:18,730
Please calm down
and listen to me!
796
00:35:18,730 --> 00:35:20,230
- [Lawrence] I am listening!
- Please.
797
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:21,470
[Lawrence] You need
to make a choice.
798
00:35:21,470 --> 00:35:23,370
It's either me or the film.
799
00:35:23,370 --> 00:35:25,370
No, I'm always going to choose
the film!
800
00:35:25,370 --> 00:35:27,610
[Lawrence] You'll regret this!
Mark my words!
801
00:35:27,610 --> 00:35:29,910
- You'll regret this!
- Babe--
802
00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:31,810
Okay, okay, okay, okay.
And now what do we do?
803
00:35:31,810 --> 00:35:34,410
We go to the thing, and we block
the number, right?
804
00:35:34,410 --> 00:35:36,450
Give me the finger. There we go.
805
00:35:36,450 --> 00:35:37,890
We hit that. There we go.
806
00:35:37,890 --> 00:35:40,490
- And now where do we have block?
- You have to scroll down.
807
00:35:40,490 --> 00:35:42,490
We scroll down. Okay, okay.
808
00:35:42,490 --> 00:35:44,160
And now we blocked him.
Look at that.
809
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,460
[Ava] [crying]
810
00:35:45,460 --> 00:35:46,930
And now we don't have
to worry about it ever again.
811
00:35:46,930 --> 00:35:48,930
These calls were scary.
812
00:35:48,930 --> 00:35:50,530
I mean, he would call all of us
813
00:35:50,530 --> 00:35:54,330
and just yell over and over to
get Ava to pick up the phone.
814
00:35:54,330 --> 00:35:55,500
And I'll tell you this.
815
00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:57,540
Every call was worse
than the last.
816
00:35:57,540 --> 00:35:59,540
[Lawrence] I'm going
to destroy this film,
817
00:35:59,540 --> 00:36:01,680
and I'm going to destroy you!
Okay?
818
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,350
And if I, if Ava isn't on
a fucking plane in 30 minutes,
819
00:36:05,350 --> 00:36:06,650
I'm going to come to that set
820
00:36:06,650 --> 00:36:09,080
and drag her off
by her fucking hair!
821
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,490
There are a few reasons why
this clip is so important.
822
00:36:12,490 --> 00:36:17,020
One being that Lawrence says,
"I will destroy this film,"
823
00:36:17,020 --> 00:36:20,830
which is a theory as to why
he murdered the other girls.
824
00:36:20,830 --> 00:36:24,300
The second is because
this was the last call
825
00:36:24,300 --> 00:36:26,870
ever made
from Lawrence's phone
826
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:30,170
and the last time
anyone heard from him.
827
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,210
Ava Bergman was murdered
the following day.
828
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:37,840
[muffled screaming]
829
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,950
Help-- [choking] Help me!
830
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:43,980
[grunts]
831
00:36:43,980 --> 00:36:47,450
Help! [screams] No! Please!
832
00:36:47,450 --> 00:36:50,560
Please! Help me! No!
833
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:56,360
[choking] [gasping]
[sustained exhale]
834
00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:03,340
[eerie music]
835
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:10,840
[Demy] That's the problem
these days.
836
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:15,450
We want to show everything
and be grisly.
837
00:37:16,750 --> 00:37:17,880
Detail.
838
00:37:19,290 --> 00:37:22,020
The idea that this, this fucker
839
00:37:22,020 --> 00:37:26,430
was holding a phone
while he's attempting to...
840
00:37:30,830 --> 00:37:32,400
Hm.
841
00:37:32,670 --> 00:37:34,500
This is the world we live in.
842
00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:37,670
It's really fucking dark.
843
00:37:38,070 --> 00:37:41,280
[Thomas] The initial
investigation by the LAPD
844
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,680
uncovered no
physical evidence.
845
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,310
But none of that mattered,
because everyone was convinced
846
00:37:47,310 --> 00:37:48,920
it was Lawrence Hughes.
847
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,590
And even with
an international search,
848
00:37:51,590 --> 00:37:53,420
no one could find him.
849
00:37:53,420 --> 00:37:56,420
His whereabouts remain unknown.
850
00:37:56,690 --> 00:37:59,760
Despite this tragedy,
shooting for Dissident
851
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,160
resumed 24 hours later
with a new actress.
852
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,370
After losing a lead actress
in such a horrible way,
853
00:38:06,370 --> 00:38:09,340
most producers would cut
their losses
854
00:38:09,340 --> 00:38:11,310
and shut down the film.
855
00:38:11,310 --> 00:38:13,540
Tedd is not most producers.
856
00:38:13,540 --> 00:38:15,910
Now let's meet
our third suspect,
857
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:18,150
Tedd Mankiewicz.
858
00:38:18,580 --> 00:38:20,950
Like, Jesus Christ,
can I get a fluffer here?
859
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:23,550
I'm spritzin' everywhere.
It's actually not even cold.
860
00:38:23,550 --> 00:38:26,290
I just, like, have to wait
on my nuts.
861
00:38:26,290 --> 00:38:27,920
Got fucking drool
coming out of my mouth.
862
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,330
I got ball sweat.
Feel like I've lost 10 pounds.
863
00:38:31,330 --> 00:38:32,760
You're like,
"Did you fuck Barb?"
864
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,960
And I go,
"Oh, I fucked her to death,
865
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,860
but I didn't kill her."
866
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,800
[Thomas] First, let's start
by understanding who Tedd is.
867
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,370
Not only is he one of the most
868
00:38:41,370 --> 00:38:43,200
powerful people in Hollywood,
869
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,540
he represented all three of
the women that were murdered.
870
00:38:46,540 --> 00:38:49,980
The one who survived,
two of the suspects,
871
00:38:49,980 --> 00:38:54,610
was a suspect himself,
and was having an affair
872
00:38:54,610 --> 00:38:57,720
with Barbera Ball at the time
of her death,
873
00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:01,520
something that his wife
was very upset about.
874
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,620
All roads lead back to Tedd,
okay?
875
00:39:03,620 --> 00:39:06,760
He got John into producing.
He got Lawrence into acting.
876
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,530
Produced Pace's first film.
Made Melvin a movie star.
877
00:39:10,530 --> 00:39:12,030
Shared a lover with Dustin.
878
00:39:12,030 --> 00:39:15,340
And he's thanked more than God
at the Oscars.
879
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:17,940
I've got a soft spot for Tedd.
880
00:39:18,270 --> 00:39:20,140
He's the best manager
of all time.
881
00:39:20,140 --> 00:39:22,080
But I understand that Tedd
has made some enemies
882
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,110
in this business.
883
00:39:23,110 --> 00:39:24,640
A lot of people hate him,
884
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,910
and Pace may be at the top
of that list.
885
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:33,550
The devil never convinced
the world that he did not exist.
886
00:39:33,550 --> 00:39:36,020
No. The devil exists.
887
00:39:36,020 --> 00:39:38,160
Tedd Mankiewicz exists.
888
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:39,790
The man is real.
889
00:39:39,790 --> 00:39:43,300
And he's out there,
and you all sit back and go,
890
00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:45,370
"I don't know. I don't know.
891
00:39:45,370 --> 00:39:48,170
Is evil real?
Is darkness real?"
892
00:39:48,170 --> 00:39:50,670
Look in the fucking mirror.
893
00:39:52,510 --> 00:39:54,670
I know that a lot of people
talk shit about Tedd
894
00:39:54,670 --> 00:39:56,210
- Mm-hmm.
- I totally get that.
895
00:39:56,210 --> 00:40:01,920
But for me, it's like, I know
that he would legit kill for me.
896
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,180
I've never killed anyone
for a client.
897
00:40:04,180 --> 00:40:07,920
But I would, and that's why
they fucking signed with me.
898
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,060
During my investigation
into Tedd,
899
00:40:10,060 --> 00:40:15,330
I found that he would normally
do one set visit on his movies.
900
00:40:15,660 --> 00:40:20,300
On Dissident, he visited set
four times a week.
901
00:40:20,300 --> 00:40:21,840
Oh, oh, ladies and gentlemen,
902
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,700
can we get a round
of applause here?
903
00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:24,910
You understand what's happening?
904
00:40:24,910 --> 00:40:26,770
Yeah, the Antichrist
has returned.
905
00:40:26,770 --> 00:40:28,340
All right?
So that means we rejoice.
906
00:40:28,340 --> 00:40:29,880
What do producers do?
907
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,410
They are supposed
to put together the elements
908
00:40:33,410 --> 00:40:35,520
that lead you
to making the film.
909
00:40:36,580 --> 00:40:38,320
Why would that entitle them
910
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,750
to be on the set
once it's begun?
911
00:40:42,090 --> 00:40:44,360
Their job is prologue.
912
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:45,930
They are the preamble.
913
00:40:45,930 --> 00:40:49,460
They are the Greek chorus
before the play begins.
914
00:40:49,460 --> 00:40:52,730
Once the story starts, fuck off.
915
00:40:53,970 --> 00:40:57,200
The moment Tedd Mankiewicz
arrives on set,
916
00:40:58,210 --> 00:41:00,410
whole energy shifts.
917
00:41:00,410 --> 00:41:02,840
[Tedd] The luckiest day of
your life is when you met me.
918
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,040
[Christopher] What are you
talking about?
919
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:05,610
[Tedd] Everyone says
you suck now,
920
00:41:05,610 --> 00:41:07,350
and this movie will never be
921
00:41:07,350 --> 00:41:08,650
as good as
The Last Great Actor.
922
00:41:08,650 --> 00:41:09,750
[Christopher] This movie
will never be
923
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:11,220
as good as
The Last Great Actor?
924
00:41:11,220 --> 00:41:12,450
[Tedd] Yeah, totally.
925
00:41:12,450 --> 00:41:13,720
[Christopher] You think maybe
that's because you're standing
926
00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:14,920
in the middle
of my fucking shot?
927
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,260
[Martin] And if that
wasn't bad enough,
928
00:41:16,260 --> 00:41:18,360
the motherfucker would walk in
and show you
929
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,060
how to do your scene.
930
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,930
This is how you cock a gun.
931
00:41:23,930 --> 00:41:26,200
There's two things you need
to be able to do
932
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,500
to be a movie star.
933
00:41:27,500 --> 00:41:28,970
Kiss the girl...
934
00:41:30,500 --> 00:41:32,140
and fire a gun.
935
00:41:32,140 --> 00:41:35,280
- And you can't do either.
- Just don't overthink it.
936
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,540
Acting is so fucking easy.
937
00:41:37,540 --> 00:41:38,850
Most of the time, these people
938
00:41:38,850 --> 00:41:41,180
just get so caught up
in their own heads.
939
00:41:41,180 --> 00:41:42,320
They're lazy.
940
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,120
Most of them don't have talent
to begin with.
941
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,190
So I show up
and I show them what to do.
942
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:50,490
I don't know why so many people
get offended by this.
943
00:41:50,490 --> 00:41:52,230
Do you think Reese Witherspoon
blinks?
944
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:53,090
No.
945
00:41:53,090 --> 00:41:54,730
Do you think
Nicole Kidman blinks?
946
00:41:54,730 --> 00:41:56,930
- No.
- Then why would you blink?
947
00:41:57,500 --> 00:41:58,770
I don't know.
948
00:41:58,770 --> 00:42:00,430
Give me more Meryl Streep.
949
00:42:00,430 --> 00:42:01,870
Okay. [heavy breathing]
950
00:42:01,870 --> 00:42:04,100
Look at the camera
and don't blink.
951
00:42:05,810 --> 00:42:07,210
Tedd was like a steamroller.
952
00:42:07,210 --> 00:42:09,980
He'd come in there
and intimidate everybody.
953
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:16,350
[grunts]
[groans painfully]
954
00:42:16,350 --> 00:42:19,820
[Smitty] Yeah, every so often,
I would go up to Ivan and say,
955
00:42:19,820 --> 00:42:22,060
"You sure you want me
to keep this camera rolling?"
956
00:42:22,060 --> 00:42:24,560
I mean,
some of the circumstances
957
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,590
were a little sketchy.
958
00:42:26,890 --> 00:42:28,930
Tedd Mankiewicz
was a fucking animal.
959
00:42:28,930 --> 00:42:30,700
Did he know what he was doing?
Sure.
960
00:42:30,700 --> 00:42:32,600
Yes, okay.
Was he very good at his job?
961
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,140
Also, yes.
The man was a fucking animal.
962
00:42:36,140 --> 00:42:39,010
To understand why Tedd
is a suspect,
963
00:42:39,010 --> 00:42:41,740
we have to talk
about Barbera Ball,
964
00:42:41,740 --> 00:42:43,680
the second murder victim,
965
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,380
and how she ended up
in Dissident.
966
00:42:46,380 --> 00:42:50,550
Barbera made a name for herself
when she was cast in Breathe
967
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:52,790
alongside Lawrence Hughes.
968
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:57,460
[classic jazz music playing]
969
00:42:57,460 --> 00:42:59,060
[speaking French]
970
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,160
I believe I went to school
with that chap.
971
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,630
[speaking French]
972
00:43:10,340 --> 00:43:12,170
Should I go approach him?
973
00:43:12,970 --> 00:43:14,170
Oui.
974
00:43:14,170 --> 00:43:16,080
Your French isn't
that good anymore.
975
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:20,080
- I think you need some practice.
- Good enough.
976
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,650
Whatever you say.
977
00:43:21,650 --> 00:43:23,150
On y va.
978
00:43:25,090 --> 00:43:27,890
Every actress in the world
wanted that role.
979
00:43:28,250 --> 00:43:31,090
But my dad made sure
that Barbera got it.
980
00:43:31,460 --> 00:43:35,360
After the success of Breathe,
Tedd cast Barbera in Dissident
981
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,930
without ever talking to Pace
about it.
982
00:43:37,930 --> 00:43:39,530
Pace is quoted as saying
983
00:43:39,530 --> 00:43:42,970
he hated Barbera Ball
more than his own mother,
984
00:43:42,970 --> 00:43:45,170
who abandoned him as a child.
985
00:43:46,210 --> 00:43:48,140
[indistinct]
986
00:43:48,140 --> 00:43:50,540
Barbera, am I looking
at the monitor?
987
00:43:50,540 --> 00:43:51,810
I can't, I can't tell.
988
00:43:51,810 --> 00:43:53,180
There's four cameras
on this fucking scene.
989
00:43:53,180 --> 00:43:55,080
One of them can probably see it.
I can't see it.
990
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,880
I'm not watching the camera.
I'm watching you.
991
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,550
I'm watching your reaction.
You know what I see?
992
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:59,920
- What?
- I see fear.
993
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:00,950
Why do I see fear?
994
00:44:00,950 --> 00:44:02,420
This gun has got no bullets
in it.
995
00:44:02,420 --> 00:44:03,690
It's not even a real gun.
996
00:44:03,690 --> 00:44:04,860
I mean, let me
show you something, Barbera.
997
00:44:04,860 --> 00:44:06,560
You see this? All right?
This is my fucking gun.
998
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,800
This shit's loaded.
Am I afraid? No!
999
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,500
[Thomas] You wanted Barbera
taken out of the film.
1000
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:14,930
- Why?
- Absolutely.
1001
00:44:14,930 --> 00:44:17,270
Uh, because she's not very good.
1002
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:20,970
So, uh, once she was forced
upon me,
1003
00:44:20,970 --> 00:44:22,810
I did what anyone does
1004
00:44:22,810 --> 00:44:25,110
when they are put
in a compromising situation
1005
00:44:25,110 --> 00:44:26,480
that they did not ask
to be in.
1006
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,520
They try to get out.
And that's what I did.
1007
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,850
- How much does she want this?
- A lot more than this film.
1008
00:44:31,850 --> 00:44:33,390
Okay, so then why is she here?
1009
00:44:33,390 --> 00:44:36,360
Wouldn't you rather spend it
on the film rather than her?
1010
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:37,320
Think about it.
1011
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:38,730
Oh, you hadn't even thought
about that.
1012
00:44:38,730 --> 00:44:40,330
We could get someone
who was more talented
1013
00:44:40,330 --> 00:44:41,160
and less expensive.
1014
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,730
There isn't somebody
more talented.
1015
00:44:42,730 --> 00:44:44,100
You don't think there's anyone
more talented?
1016
00:44:44,100 --> 00:44:45,570
- No, I don't.
- Oh, my God.
1017
00:44:45,570 --> 00:44:47,730
The myopic... Jesus.
1018
00:44:47,730 --> 00:44:49,640
This is a normal occurrence.
1019
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,810
I had to go to set every day
1020
00:44:51,810 --> 00:44:53,740
to make sure Barbera stayed
in the film.
1021
00:44:53,740 --> 00:44:55,340
Your female lead
is out of frame.
1022
00:44:55,340 --> 00:44:56,510
Yes, I know, I know.
1023
00:44:56,510 --> 00:44:58,080
This is how we're going
to do the movie now, okay?
1024
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,650
[Effy] My dad's going to see
the dailies.
1025
00:44:59,650 --> 00:45:00,980
What do you think
he's gonna say?
1026
00:45:00,980 --> 00:45:02,950
I think he's going to whine
and bitch like a child.
1027
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:04,780
You're whining and bitching
like a child
1028
00:45:04,780 --> 00:45:06,190
because you can't
have a two-person scene.
1029
00:45:06,190 --> 00:45:07,450
Barbera's out of the movie,
Effy.
1030
00:45:07,450 --> 00:45:08,660
That's not how it works.
1031
00:45:08,660 --> 00:45:12,630
[Melvin] Pace needed his North
Star for that character.
1032
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:14,290
And Barbera wasn't it.
1033
00:45:14,290 --> 00:45:17,830
So he was determined to make
her life a living hell.
1034
00:45:17,830 --> 00:45:19,330
You're killing me.
You're literally killing me.
1035
00:45:19,330 --> 00:45:20,870
- Yes. I'm going to kill you.
- Oh, yeah.
1036
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:22,340
I feel like you're going
to kill me.
1037
00:45:22,340 --> 00:45:23,240
I'm working up to it.
1038
00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:24,670
Every single fucking day I come
to set,
1039
00:45:24,670 --> 00:45:26,140
I don't know what's going
to happen.
1040
00:45:26,140 --> 00:45:28,740
[Dustin] Barbera was living
in a constant state of fear.
1041
00:45:28,740 --> 00:45:30,410
But not from being murdered.
1042
00:45:30,410 --> 00:45:33,650
She was more afraid
of being fired than dying.
1043
00:45:33,650 --> 00:45:35,520
She would tell me all the time
1044
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,250
how she thought
she was going to get fired.
1045
00:45:37,250 --> 00:45:40,050
I mean, I think she said that
to me almost every single day.
1046
00:45:40,050 --> 00:45:42,090
And it got to a certain point
1047
00:45:42,090 --> 00:45:43,890
where I thought it was going
to happen too.
1048
00:45:43,890 --> 00:45:46,930
I think the fact
that she's this bad
1049
00:45:46,930 --> 00:45:48,830
violates the terms
of the contract.
1050
00:45:48,830 --> 00:45:50,400
And I think we can
get rid of her
1051
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,830
without actually triggering
any type of lawsuit.
1052
00:45:52,830 --> 00:45:54,200
She's the star
of the fucking movie.
1053
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,800
We've been shooting
for three months.
1054
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:56,840
But not if we fire her.
1055
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,200
She's not coming
out of the movie.
1056
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,210
Pace was never a fan of Barbera.
1057
00:46:00,210 --> 00:46:03,910
And he asked me multiple times
if we could replace her.
1058
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:05,550
I need Barbera gone.
1059
00:46:05,550 --> 00:46:08,350
Your father is asking me
to sculpt with razor wire.
1060
00:46:08,350 --> 00:46:10,920
I have always respected you,
okay?
1061
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,150
I've always respected
your artistic vision.
1062
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:17,190
And I just, I need you
to let this one go
1063
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:21,090
because my dad is never going
to fire Barbera.
1064
00:46:21,090 --> 00:46:22,300
- That's it.
- Okay, okay.
1065
00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:24,030
Do you think, do you think
this is the first time
1066
00:46:24,030 --> 00:46:25,400
I've been told
I can't do something
1067
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,470
- or I have to let something go?
- I'm letting you know.
1068
00:46:27,470 --> 00:46:29,200
I am a screenwriter, okay?
1069
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,140
I create worlds
and I fucking destroy them.
1070
00:46:32,140 --> 00:46:34,210
And if you make me
destroy this world,
1071
00:46:34,210 --> 00:46:36,110
I will do it. You understand?
1072
00:46:36,110 --> 00:46:37,740
Then you're not going
to have a movie, Pace.
1073
00:46:37,740 --> 00:46:39,050
I don't give a fuck
about the movie.
1074
00:46:39,050 --> 00:46:40,950
- I do.
- I don't care what you think.
1075
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:42,650
I care about making art.
1076
00:46:42,650 --> 00:46:46,320
And if she is in this film,
it doesn't exist anymore.
1077
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,820
There is no story,
there is no beauty,
1078
00:46:48,820 --> 00:46:50,020
there is no art.
1079
00:46:50,020 --> 00:46:51,760
So I may as well burn
the fucking thing down.
1080
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,030
- You understand?
- Then go ahead.
1081
00:46:54,030 --> 00:46:55,430
- Burn the thing down.
- Great.
1082
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:57,460
Okay.
Remember that you said that!
1083
00:46:57,460 --> 00:46:59,600
And then don't come crying
to me when it's over.
1084
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:00,930
Remember.
1085
00:47:02,340 --> 00:47:04,740
[Effy] Pace threatened Barbera
all the time.
1086
00:47:04,740 --> 00:47:08,110
And when it was decided that she
was staying in the film,
1087
00:47:08,110 --> 00:47:09,880
he couldn't handle it.
1088
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:10,980
[Tedd] Hey, what's up?
1089
00:47:10,980 --> 00:47:12,550
Um, I'm sat here
with Pace right now.
1090
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:15,780
He doesn't believe, uh, anything
that I'm saying right now.
1091
00:47:15,780 --> 00:47:17,350
So do you mind refreshing
his mind
1092
00:47:17,350 --> 00:47:19,090
and telling him
what you told me?
1093
00:47:19,090 --> 00:47:20,190
[Tedd] Hey, Pace.
1094
00:47:20,190 --> 00:47:21,650
I just got off the phone
with Mocker.
1095
00:47:21,650 --> 00:47:24,090
And Barbera's staying
in the fucking film.
1096
00:47:24,090 --> 00:47:26,860
So do whatever you want
with that information.
1097
00:47:27,730 --> 00:47:30,060
Okay. Uh, Barbie.
1098
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,570
- Uh, I gotta apologize to you.
- Yeah?
1099
00:47:32,570 --> 00:47:34,270
- Okay?
- Is this sincere?
1100
00:47:34,270 --> 00:47:37,200
Yes. That was the easy way
for you to leave this film.
1101
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,310
And now we do it the hard way.
All right?
1102
00:47:39,310 --> 00:47:42,140
- Good luck.
- Thanks. Appreciate it.
1103
00:47:42,140 --> 00:47:44,410
I always adored Barbera.
1104
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:46,880
She had such a hard time
on set.
1105
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,280
She didn't deserve
how she was treated.
1106
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,350
I don't know
who to trust anymore.
1107
00:47:51,350 --> 00:47:54,620
I don't know who are my friends.
Everyone's fucking mean.
1108
00:47:55,620 --> 00:47:57,920
Well, you know you got me.
1109
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,990
I'm lucky I do.
You and your dad.
1110
00:48:00,990 --> 00:48:03,960
Initially, there was a lot
of confusion as to why
1111
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,900
Tedd was fighting so hard
to keep her in the film.
1112
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:11,200
There's a very simple reason
Tedd refused to replace her.
1113
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,670
Because they were having
an affair.
1114
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:15,880
They managed to keep
their relationship quiet
1115
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:16,910
for over a year.
1116
00:48:16,910 --> 00:48:18,440
But once Barbera was on set,
1117
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,380
Tedd could no longer keep
the relationship secret.
1118
00:48:21,380 --> 00:48:24,320
His jealousy and paranoia
drove him
1119
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,950
to make sure everyone knew
she was his.
1120
00:48:27,950 --> 00:48:30,360
And what made him so paranoid
1121
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,990
was Barbera's castmate
and former lover,
1122
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:36,400
Dustin Scott.
1123
00:48:36,700 --> 00:48:41,300
The story of their romance
is shrouded with intrigue.
1124
00:48:41,300 --> 00:48:44,500
I mean, Tedd and Barbera
were having an affair.
1125
00:48:44,500 --> 00:48:47,570
Dustin and Barbera were having
an affair.
1126
00:48:47,570 --> 00:48:51,780
It was like the inception
of affairs.
1127
00:48:51,780 --> 00:48:54,080
So Dustin was in love
with Barbera
1128
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,250
and Barbera was in love
with Tedd.
1129
00:48:56,250 --> 00:48:59,020
And it was disaster
for all of us.
1130
00:48:59,020 --> 00:49:01,920
Are you having a relationship
with Barbera?
1131
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,160
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
1132
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:04,520
And you're aware that she
is currently having
1133
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,430
a relationship
with Tedd Mankiewicz?
1134
00:49:06,430 --> 00:49:07,290
Yeah.
1135
00:49:07,290 --> 00:49:08,900
And you thought,
in your infinite wisdom,
1136
00:49:08,900 --> 00:49:11,160
that this was a good idea
for you to do?
1137
00:49:12,270 --> 00:49:14,230
She was my girlfriend first,
and...
1138
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:15,770
Okay. With the playground rules.
1139
00:49:15,770 --> 00:49:17,040
Brilliant.
1140
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,500
[Thomas] Can you talk to me
a little bit about
1141
00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:20,240
Dustin and Barbera's
love affair?
1142
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,880
Mm, yeah, um,
1143
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,780
I know they were
childhood sweethearts
1144
00:49:25,780 --> 00:49:27,480
and then, uh, had some sort
1145
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,420
of large, uh, profound
relationship,
1146
00:49:30,420 --> 00:49:32,890
I guess, at least for Dustin.
1147
00:49:32,890 --> 00:49:35,360
Uh, and then
it started up again.
1148
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,460
Basically, the moment
she arrived on the set,
1149
00:49:37,460 --> 00:49:39,730
which obviously drove
Tedd insane.
1150
00:49:39,730 --> 00:49:42,730
He is a man that cannot
comprehend things
1151
00:49:42,730 --> 00:49:44,260
he cannot control.
1152
00:49:44,260 --> 00:49:47,330
Dustin, I want you to kiss her
like you know he's watching.
1153
00:49:47,330 --> 00:49:49,100
Because he is.
You know what I'm saying?
1154
00:49:49,100 --> 00:49:50,300
You're trying
to make me jealous.
1155
00:49:50,300 --> 00:49:51,640
No, no, no,
I'm trying to make you
1156
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:52,910
understand that you're
a lesser man.
1157
00:49:52,910 --> 00:49:54,270
[Barbera] What am I
supposed to do?
1158
00:49:54,270 --> 00:49:56,180
You're supposed to like it more
than you like kissing him.
1159
00:49:56,180 --> 00:49:57,280
I'm jealous right now.
1160
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:58,580
I want you to... You're jealous?
1161
00:49:58,580 --> 00:50:00,180
It's working?
We're having a reaction?
1162
00:50:00,180 --> 00:50:01,580
[Tedd] Don't say that out loud.
1163
00:50:01,580 --> 00:50:03,150
[Christopher] Doesn't it feel
good to have a human emotion?
1164
00:50:03,150 --> 00:50:04,420
You know what I mean?
1165
00:50:04,420 --> 00:50:06,250
I think there's a...
Oh, there it is. Look at that.
1166
00:50:06,250 --> 00:50:09,160
[Dustin] Imagine you met
the love of your life.
1167
00:50:09,890 --> 00:50:12,360
And you had a beautiful romance.
1168
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,830
And then you fucked it all up.
You break up.
1169
00:50:15,830 --> 00:50:17,400
You're miserable.
1170
00:50:17,660 --> 00:50:20,470
And then you're working
on this movie
1171
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:23,570
and you find out
that your ex-lover
1172
00:50:23,570 --> 00:50:26,510
is now gonna be with you
every single day.
1173
00:50:26,510 --> 00:50:29,140
Sex scenes, kissing scenes.
1174
00:50:29,140 --> 00:50:31,510
And you have to watch
the person that you love
1175
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:33,780
be in love with somebody else.
1176
00:50:33,780 --> 00:50:36,550
And if that wasn't bad enough,
her new boyfriend
1177
00:50:36,550 --> 00:50:40,490
was my boss and would tell me
what to do every day.
1178
00:50:40,490 --> 00:50:43,090
You're grabbing her tits like
it's an eighth-grade dance.
1179
00:50:43,090 --> 00:50:44,960
Grab her like this.
1180
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,190
Let me get to your level.
1181
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,360
If you cross me again,
I'll fucking kill you.
1182
00:50:51,100 --> 00:50:52,800
Yeah, that's how it's done.
1183
00:50:54,030 --> 00:50:55,840
Tedd was always fucking
with Dustin.
1184
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,140
He would do these, like,
psychological mind games
1185
00:50:59,140 --> 00:51:00,770
for dominance.
1186
00:51:00,770 --> 00:51:04,040
And it was abusive.
1187
00:51:04,610 --> 00:51:06,750
I just can't believe that you do
that shit in front of me, okay?
1188
00:51:06,750 --> 00:51:08,920
It's so fucking disrespectful.
It makes me sick to my stomach.
1189
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,220
Do you know how many fucking
times I've heard this from you?
1190
00:51:11,220 --> 00:51:12,750
What do you mean?
1191
00:51:12,750 --> 00:51:14,490
Do you know how many times I've
heard you say that shit to him?
1192
00:51:14,490 --> 00:51:17,960
Tedd uses a tactic called
disruption of thought freedom.
1193
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,490
It's a genius military strategy
1194
00:51:19,490 --> 00:51:22,260
to take over someone's brain
and ruin them.
1195
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,700
And that's how
he broke Dustin.
1196
00:51:24,700 --> 00:51:27,400
[melancholy piano music]
1197
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:28,800
I...
1198
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:33,410
I truly believe you only get
one real love in your life.
1199
00:51:33,740 --> 00:51:37,440
That one person that's
supposed to be there with you,
1200
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,580
going through
the ups and downs, and...
1201
00:51:40,010 --> 00:51:43,550
And it was Barbera.
We were meant for each other.
1202
00:51:44,380 --> 00:51:45,720
And I fucked it up.
1203
00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:49,490
And the really funny thing
is that the one person
1204
00:51:49,490 --> 00:51:51,420
who was trying to help me
fix this relationship
1205
00:51:51,420 --> 00:51:54,760
more than anyone else
was Pace.
1206
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,500
Now did Pace really want us
to get back together
1207
00:51:59,500 --> 00:52:01,430
'cause he cared about us?
I don't think so.
1208
00:52:01,430 --> 00:52:04,500
I think he was really just
trying to fuck with Tedd.
1209
00:52:05,870 --> 00:52:09,380
But, nonetheless, he was being
a couples counselor,
1210
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,980
trying anything
and everything he could
1211
00:52:11,980 --> 00:52:14,080
to bring us back together.
1212
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:18,550
And if Barbera
wouldn't have died,
1213
00:52:19,450 --> 00:52:21,650
I think it would have worked.
1214
00:52:22,020 --> 00:52:25,560
I was doing what I could to...
1215
00:52:26,030 --> 00:52:27,830
to, well, not mend
the relationship,
1216
00:52:27,830 --> 00:52:30,060
I just needed them to be able
to get through a fucking scene.
1217
00:52:30,060 --> 00:52:34,630
And, and in, in that context,
that required her to be able
1218
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:38,340
to, uh, look him in the eye
without rolling her eyes
1219
00:52:38,340 --> 00:52:40,270
or vomiting or screaming
1220
00:52:40,270 --> 00:52:42,070
or any of the things
that would happen
1221
00:52:42,070 --> 00:52:43,480
when she would see him.
1222
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,610
You are welcome to attach
a humanitarian instinct to me
1223
00:52:45,610 --> 00:52:47,250
whenever you like.
You would be wrong.
1224
00:52:47,250 --> 00:52:49,220
I'm simply doing
what is necessary
1225
00:52:49,220 --> 00:52:51,180
to get the film made.
1226
00:52:51,550 --> 00:52:54,320
No! No, no, no! Stop it!
Stop! Right now! No, no.
1227
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:55,620
No, no, listen. Okay?
1228
00:52:55,620 --> 00:52:57,520
Kissing is elemental.
It's primordial.
1229
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,090
It's deeper than sex, right?
1230
00:52:59,090 --> 00:53:01,490
It's just, it's natural, okay?
1231
00:53:01,490 --> 00:53:03,930
I don't want to see sex.
I want to see love.
1232
00:53:03,930 --> 00:53:05,130
Okay? Show me.
1233
00:53:05,130 --> 00:53:07,500
- I give love.
- Show me. Show me love.
1234
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,240
I heard the rumors.
1235
00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:10,540
I tried to warn Dustin
1236
00:53:10,540 --> 00:53:12,370
about not getting involved
with Barbera,
1237
00:53:12,370 --> 00:53:14,070
but he didn't listen.
1238
00:53:14,070 --> 00:53:16,680
And when my dad found out,
it was actually worse
1239
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,280
than I thought it would be.
1240
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,310
Did you fuck Barb?
1241
00:53:20,310 --> 00:53:22,880
- No! I didn't--
- Dirty Dick Dustin.
1242
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,620
- Dirty Dick Dustin.
- I didn't do anything.
1243
00:53:24,620 --> 00:53:26,290
- [Christopher] Tedd, Tedd, Tedd.
- Pull your dick out.
1244
00:53:26,290 --> 00:53:27,950
I want to see
if it smells like Barb.
1245
00:53:27,950 --> 00:53:29,660
Pull your dick out.
1246
00:53:29,660 --> 00:53:32,020
Starting a war
with a guy like Tedd,
1247
00:53:32,020 --> 00:53:34,360
someone with an infinite amount
of resources,
1248
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,560
wouldn't even bode well for me,
let alone Dustin.
1249
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,470
[Tedd] I'll have Dustin
killed right now
1250
00:53:39,470 --> 00:53:40,930
if you just cast Chalamet.
1251
00:53:40,930 --> 00:53:43,400
[Christopher] Uh, could you have
him killed without, uh, Timmy?
1252
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:44,800
[Tedd] Absolutely not.
1253
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,370
[Christopher] Why does it have
to be Timmy to kill--
1254
00:53:46,370 --> 00:53:47,740
[Tedd] You gotta give,
you gotta give me something.
1255
00:53:47,740 --> 00:53:49,010
[Christopher] No, but can we get
somebody else?
1256
00:53:49,010 --> 00:53:50,540
[Tedd] I'll have nothing for me
to kill Dustin.
1257
00:53:50,540 --> 00:53:52,850
They say all is fair
in love and war,
1258
00:53:52,850 --> 00:53:55,510
so Dustin decided
to tell Tedd's wife
1259
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:57,420
about the affair
with Barbera,
1260
00:53:57,420 --> 00:54:01,490
which caused her to confront him
in front of everyone.
1261
00:54:01,490 --> 00:54:02,890
- Who told you that?
- You've been cheating on me.
1262
00:54:02,890 --> 00:54:04,520
- I've never fucking cheated.
- Tell me the truth.
1263
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,060
- I know you've been doing it!
- I am telling you the truth.
1264
00:54:06,060 --> 00:54:08,390
- You've never... This is--
- I've never cheated on you.
1265
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:09,530
Yes, you have!
1266
00:54:09,530 --> 00:54:10,860
What the fuck are you
even talking about?
1267
00:54:10,860 --> 00:54:12,830
- You've never told me the truth.
- Who told you that shit?
1268
00:54:12,830 --> 00:54:14,500
I'm not going
to tell you who told me,
1269
00:54:14,500 --> 00:54:16,740
- but I know that it's true.
- Was it Dustin?
1270
00:54:16,740 --> 00:54:18,740
[Thomas] After this
was filmed,
1271
00:54:18,740 --> 00:54:20,870
Ted's wife threatened
to leave him
1272
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:22,640
if he didn't end things
with Barbera.
1273
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,010
And with her ability
to prove infidelity,
1274
00:54:25,010 --> 00:54:28,310
he was looking
at a billion-dollar divorce.
1275
00:54:28,310 --> 00:54:30,420
Two days later, Barbera Ball
1276
00:54:30,420 --> 00:54:32,820
was murdered
by The Hollywood Killer.
1277
00:54:32,820 --> 00:54:35,790
[unsettling music]
[heavy breathing]
1278
00:54:41,590 --> 00:54:43,900
[constricted breathing]
1279
00:54:44,430 --> 00:54:46,930
I don't understand
why the man isn't in prison.
1280
00:54:46,930 --> 00:54:49,800
He had the motive.
Obviously, he had the access.
1281
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,140
He was sleeping
with the woman killed.
1282
00:54:52,140 --> 00:54:56,940
To me, to anyone with eyes
or who is not being paid,
1283
00:54:56,940 --> 00:54:58,140
it should be obvious.
1284
00:54:58,140 --> 00:55:02,450
But in order to avoid
a fifth lawsuit from the man,
1285
00:55:03,550 --> 00:55:06,090
I'll call him
an alleged murderer.
1286
00:55:06,090 --> 00:55:08,220
Who's alleging it? I am.
1287
00:55:08,220 --> 00:55:10,360
My dad would never hurt Barbera.
1288
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,360
She made him so happy.
1289
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:13,930
I've never seen him
love anyone
1290
00:55:13,930 --> 00:55:15,430
as much as he loved her.
1291
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:17,000
What they shared
was like something
1292
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,530
you read in a romance novel.
1293
00:55:18,530 --> 00:55:20,430
He always said
that she reminded him
1294
00:55:20,430 --> 00:55:22,100
of a Caravaggio painting.
1295
00:55:22,100 --> 00:55:24,800
I've never heard him talk
about anyone like that.
1296
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,770
[Tedd] I saw so much
greatness in her
1297
00:55:26,770 --> 00:55:29,410
as a human being, her talent.
1298
00:55:29,410 --> 00:55:32,210
[unsettling music]
1299
00:55:32,210 --> 00:55:33,950
She was my everything.
1300
00:55:35,210 --> 00:55:36,820
[Thomas] Do you miss her?
1301
00:55:36,820 --> 00:55:40,820
I miss her more than any
human being that's ever lived.
1302
00:55:40,820 --> 00:55:43,520
[Thomas] Tedd's phone records
show no calls
1303
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,460
on the day Barbera died.
1304
00:55:45,460 --> 00:55:50,800
On a normal day,
he averages 250 to 300 calls.
1305
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,630
My dad and I went
to Saint Moritz
1306
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:54,700
for a few hours to look
at a new house he was building,
1307
00:55:54,700 --> 00:55:57,540
and he broke his phone
at the airport.
1308
00:55:57,540 --> 00:56:00,640
But I can assure you
that his alibi is real,
1309
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,010
and I was with him.
1310
00:56:02,010 --> 00:56:04,680
During any investigation,
it's always fascinating
1311
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:08,850
to see who a suspect thinks
could have committed the crime.
1312
00:56:08,850 --> 00:56:12,080
And in this case,
there's footage of it.
1313
00:56:12,420 --> 00:56:13,790
I'm not going to jail.
1314
00:56:13,790 --> 00:56:15,690
Rich people don't go to jail.
1315
00:56:15,690 --> 00:56:17,720
I wasn't even in the country,
I swear.
1316
00:56:17,720 --> 00:56:19,460
You can check
all the flight logs.
1317
00:56:19,460 --> 00:56:22,500
Everybody knows
Dustin fucking killed her.
1318
00:56:22,500 --> 00:56:25,900
I have so many videos.
Tell them I'll cut a deal.
1319
00:56:26,170 --> 00:56:28,970
We're now going to dive
into our fourth suspect,
1320
00:56:28,970 --> 00:56:30,500
Dustin Scott.
1321
00:56:30,500 --> 00:56:33,270
There are many reasons
why Dustin is a suspect,
1322
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:36,580
but one stands out
above them all.
1323
00:56:37,580 --> 00:56:40,010
[constrained breathing]
1324
00:56:40,010 --> 00:56:42,720
Dustin! Dust--
1325
00:56:43,050 --> 00:56:46,390
That video does not get you
a conviction.
1326
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:48,520
It does, however,
tell us something,
1327
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,720
that Dustin was the last thought
on Barbera's mind.
1328
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:54,660
But why Dustin?
1329
00:56:54,660 --> 00:56:57,600
Was it because
she was saying goodbye
1330
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:58,960
to the love of her life,
1331
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,940
or because the love
of her life was killing her?
1332
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:08,540
You got that, right?
1333
00:57:08,540 --> 00:57:10,210
[Christopher] Got it.
Won't use it. Do it again.
1334
00:57:10,210 --> 00:57:11,910
[sighs]
1335
00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:14,510
Put my hat back on.
You're a fucking bitch.
1336
00:57:17,620 --> 00:57:19,420
[John] I know he was a pain
in the ass,
1337
00:57:19,420 --> 00:57:21,690
but I'll always feel sorry
for this kid.
1338
00:57:21,690 --> 00:57:25,090
I mean, this movie
ripped out his soul.
1339
00:57:26,090 --> 00:57:27,730
I love Dustin Scott.
1340
00:57:27,730 --> 00:57:30,560
I just think he has
1341
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,930
one of the most
expressive faces.
1342
00:57:33,930 --> 00:57:37,240
Um, his performances
are in the eyes,
1343
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:38,740
gateway to the soul, his body.
1344
00:57:38,740 --> 00:57:40,040
He puts everything into it.
1345
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:41,940
I mean, he's, he's
a very emotional actor,
1346
00:57:41,940 --> 00:57:45,740
and I think
he is literally a human PSA
1347
00:57:45,740 --> 00:57:50,280
about, don't be an actor,
don't put your kids in acting.
1348
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:54,890
I mean, every single thing,
uh, that actors,
1349
00:57:54,890 --> 00:57:59,120
every trap actors can step in,
he's actually stepped in.
1350
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,630
Uh, a lot of the trysts
that he had,
1351
00:58:01,630 --> 00:58:04,400
the women that he was with,
1352
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,130
uh, some
of the, the controversy
1353
00:58:06,130 --> 00:58:08,700
that he caused
because of his relationships,
1354
00:58:08,700 --> 00:58:10,600
we don't see any of that.
1355
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,000
We just see this,
and we think
1356
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,210
this is the only thing that's
happening in this frame.
1357
00:58:14,210 --> 00:58:17,780
But there is another
behind the scenes,
1358
00:58:17,780 --> 00:58:19,450
which is what actually happens
off the set.
1359
00:58:19,450 --> 00:58:23,420
So, yeah, Dustin looks like
he is just being pummeled.
1360
00:58:23,420 --> 00:58:24,750
He's the martyr for everyone.
1361
00:58:24,750 --> 00:58:26,190
He's the whipping boy here.
1362
00:58:26,190 --> 00:58:30,660
Um, but what Dustin does off
the set is pretty outrageous.
1363
00:58:30,660 --> 00:58:32,060
I swear to God, if you bring
1364
00:58:32,060 --> 00:58:34,660
another fucking prostitute--
sex worker on set again,
1365
00:58:34,660 --> 00:58:36,160
I will kick your ass.
1366
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,470
[John] Dustin really took
Barbera's death hard.
1367
00:58:39,700 --> 00:58:41,330
He was doing
all kinds of drugs.
1368
00:58:41,330 --> 00:58:44,040
We found him in a gutter,
1369
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,570
unconscious at a strip club,
4:00 in the morning.
1370
00:58:47,870 --> 00:58:49,910
We covered it up from the press.
1371
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,410
I would do whatever it took
to keep him upright
1372
00:58:53,410 --> 00:58:54,650
in this movie.
1373
00:58:54,650 --> 00:58:57,020
I already got, you know,
the investments there.
1374
00:58:57,020 --> 00:58:58,520
We were way into this thing
1375
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:02,220
and Dustin has to be healthy,
and he was a fucking mess.
1376
00:59:02,220 --> 00:59:03,460
So my, my question for you,
1377
00:59:03,460 --> 00:59:05,660
and I want you to take this
with you into the scene, is,
1378
00:59:05,660 --> 00:59:07,560
what recently happened
to Barbera,
1379
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:08,990
uh, what do we think
about the idea
1380
00:59:08,990 --> 00:59:12,770
that maybe you don't remember
what, what you may have done?
1381
00:59:12,770 --> 00:59:14,500
'Cause I know you don't think
you did anything,
1382
00:59:14,500 --> 00:59:18,440
but what about
what you don't remember?
1383
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,170
I remember one time,
growing up as a kid,
1384
00:59:21,170 --> 00:59:24,440
some money came up missing
at a church bingo,
1385
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,880
and Father McCauley got
so upset,
1386
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,550
he bitch-slapped
Sister Elizabeth.
1387
00:59:29,820 --> 00:59:32,590
I mean, if you push someone
far enough,
1388
00:59:32,590 --> 00:59:34,490
it can get out of hand.
1389
00:59:34,490 --> 00:59:36,020
I want you to hang
1390
00:59:36,020 --> 00:59:37,420
the inadequacy
of your performance
1391
00:59:37,420 --> 00:59:39,990
around your neck and wear it
like a fucking albatross.
1392
00:59:39,990 --> 00:59:41,890
You understand?
It's a millstone, all right?
1393
00:59:41,890 --> 00:59:43,230
You're dragging all of us down.
1394
00:59:43,230 --> 00:59:44,830
- All right.
- It's like a, it's a thing.
1395
00:59:44,830 --> 00:59:46,100
- If I pull this...
- [chokes] Okay, yeah.
1396
00:59:46,100 --> 00:59:47,770
...you can feel that, right?
You can feel that.
1397
00:59:47,770 --> 00:59:49,500
I gotta hang you with this shit.
1398
00:59:49,500 --> 00:59:50,870
That's how bad
your performance is.
1399
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:52,610
I could use it to kill you.
1400
00:59:52,610 --> 00:59:55,010
Doing the same scenes
1401
00:59:55,010 --> 00:59:58,110
over and over again
on multiple occasions,
1402
00:59:58,110 --> 01:00:00,350
it kind of takes it
out of you.
1403
01:00:00,350 --> 01:00:01,380
It's like if you had
1404
01:00:01,380 --> 01:00:02,980
a tube of toothpaste
that's already empty
1405
01:00:02,980 --> 01:00:04,480
and you just keep squeezing it
and you think
1406
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,390
something's going to come out,
but there's nothing in there
1407
01:00:06,390 --> 01:00:09,760
and you're just crushing it
in your fucking palm.
1408
01:00:13,730 --> 01:00:16,700
[sighs] I'm the tube
of empty toothpaste.
1409
01:00:17,660 --> 01:00:19,000
I think I might faint.
1410
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,000
- You're going to faint? Why?
- I don't know.
1411
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,300
Have you read this scene?
Is this a fainting scene?
1412
01:00:25,370 --> 01:00:26,970
- Okay, Martin, you see that?
- Whoa, whoa, whoa.
1413
01:00:26,970 --> 01:00:29,010
No, no, don't touch him.
You understand what happened?
1414
01:00:29,010 --> 01:00:30,780
This man's talent
cannot overcome
1415
01:00:30,780 --> 01:00:32,110
his given circumstances.
1416
01:00:32,110 --> 01:00:33,850
That's what we call bad acting,
all right?
1417
01:00:33,850 --> 01:00:35,410
Don't look at him.
Do the scene without him.
1418
01:00:35,410 --> 01:00:37,620
I'm going to back up and get
the shot, all right?
1419
01:00:37,620 --> 01:00:39,320
Okay, let's go!
1420
01:00:42,190 --> 01:00:47,660
This film took pieces of me
that I will never get back.
1421
01:00:47,660 --> 01:00:49,160
I fucking hate you! All you do
1422
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:51,630
is you yell and you lie
and you yell and you lie!
1423
01:00:51,630 --> 01:00:52,830
And I can't take it anymore!
1424
01:00:52,830 --> 01:00:54,670
Why don't you do something
about it, Dustin?
1425
01:00:54,670 --> 01:00:56,140
Fuck! [grunts]
1426
01:00:56,140 --> 01:00:57,700
Now we're going
to learn about acting.
1427
01:00:57,700 --> 01:00:59,740
What is acting, Dustin?
Acting is...
1428
01:00:59,740 --> 01:01:00,940
[Dustin] [grunts] [screams]
1429
01:01:00,940 --> 01:01:02,840
It's being acting, okay?
We're not trying to win.
1430
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,080
- [screams maniacally] [grunts]
- All right, okay, now...
1431
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:07,710
- [Dustin] [choking]
- [Christopher] [grunts]
1432
01:01:09,350 --> 01:01:10,880
All right, Marty.
1433
01:01:11,180 --> 01:01:14,390
Um, I need something
sort of tempting.
1434
01:01:14,790 --> 01:01:17,290
Pace used to tell me
to never argue with Dustin
1435
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,790
because it's hard to win
a fight with a smart person,
1436
01:01:20,790 --> 01:01:23,800
but impossible to win one
with a crazy person.
1437
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:25,430
I worked with the guy
for five years.
1438
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:28,230
There's no doubt in my mind
he could be the killer.
1439
01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:32,670
The things I've seen,
you wouldn't believe it.
1440
01:01:33,110 --> 01:01:35,070
Shut the fuck up, Martin, okay?
Just shut the fuck up!
1441
01:01:35,070 --> 01:01:36,640
- Shut up?
- Yeah, shut-- [choking]
1442
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:37,880
- More an angle.
- I'll shut up?
1443
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:39,240
- More an angle.
- Shut up? I'm sick of you!
1444
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,010
Marty, Marty, what did I
tell you about the carotid?
1445
01:01:41,010 --> 01:01:42,310
- Martin!
- You put pressure right here.
1446
01:01:42,310 --> 01:01:43,580
- Martin, I'm sorry!
- Then he'll go to sleep.
1447
01:01:43,580 --> 01:01:44,950
Very close to me.
1448
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:46,690
And then brace the back
of his head here. Break it here.
1449
01:01:46,690 --> 01:01:48,090
You know, not many people
know this,
1450
01:01:48,090 --> 01:01:50,760
but I actually used to go
to middle school with Dustin.
1451
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:52,220
Um, he had a nickname.
1452
01:01:52,220 --> 01:01:55,230
Back then, it was, uh,
it was Bundy.
1453
01:01:55,230 --> 01:01:57,730
Not for Al Bundy,
but for Ted Bundy,
1454
01:01:57,730 --> 01:01:58,960
because he was voted
1455
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:00,500
"most likely to become
a serial killer"
1456
01:02:00,500 --> 01:02:02,030
in our yearbook.
1457
01:02:02,030 --> 01:02:06,170
You know, when I really think
about it, Dustin makes sense.
1458
01:02:06,170 --> 01:02:08,170
I let him
go down on me once.
1459
01:02:09,170 --> 01:02:11,140
Blind man looking for a nickel.
1460
01:02:11,410 --> 01:02:14,980
There's this moment when a man
is between your legs.
1461
01:02:14,980 --> 01:02:18,720
You can feel that energy
just, you know, coming up,
1462
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,250
and I got that,
I got that murder energy.
1463
01:02:22,220 --> 01:02:24,720
What? You're not
rolling fucking...
1464
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:26,330
I just...
1465
01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:28,530
Oh, my fucking God!
What are we...
1466
01:02:28,530 --> 01:02:30,330
What are we doing here?
What are we doing here?
1467
01:02:30,330 --> 01:02:32,230
I've been doing this
for four fucking years,
1468
01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:34,630
and now you're not even,
you can't roll fucking sound?
1469
01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:35,870
What?
1470
01:02:35,870 --> 01:02:38,100
I was supposed to be
a movie star, Pace!
1471
01:02:38,100 --> 01:02:39,810
I was supposed to be
a movie star!
1472
01:02:39,810 --> 01:02:41,240
Now I'm going to rehab,
1473
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,110
and I'm gonna fucking work
at a McDonald's
1474
01:02:43,110 --> 01:02:44,310
because of this goddamn...
1475
01:02:44,310 --> 01:02:46,250
Fuck these fucking
asshole punks!
1476
01:02:46,250 --> 01:02:47,250
I'm fucking done!
1477
01:02:47,250 --> 01:02:51,580
I'm telling you,
Dustin is The Hollywood Killer.
1478
01:02:51,580 --> 01:02:53,520
That guy? That's a killer?
1479
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,890
I mean, come on. He's so dumb.
1480
01:02:55,890 --> 01:02:57,860
Everybody knows this,
you know?
1481
01:02:57,860 --> 01:02:59,490
He's about as smart
as mayonnaise.
1482
01:02:59,490 --> 01:03:03,130
He's like the character from
Sling Blade in real life.
1483
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,030
The only person
1484
01:03:05,030 --> 01:03:08,500
that Dustin really wanted
to kill was himself.
1485
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,910
I can't do this anymore!
1486
01:03:12,910 --> 01:03:18,140
Why is this happening to me?
[sobbing]
1487
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,550
Churchill famously said that,
when you are going through hell,
1488
01:03:23,550 --> 01:03:25,020
you just keep going.
1489
01:03:25,020 --> 01:03:28,290
Dustin's hell is within him,
but he is a coward,
1490
01:03:28,290 --> 01:03:30,390
so he distracts himself
with women.
1491
01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:32,120
He had a relationship
with Ava,
1492
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,190
and then, obviously, he had
his relationship with Barbera,
1493
01:03:35,190 --> 01:03:37,830
and when she was killed,
he moved on to Greata,
1494
01:03:37,830 --> 01:03:39,030
and when she was killed,
1495
01:03:39,030 --> 01:03:41,600
he attempted a relationship
with Audrey.
1496
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:44,640
The problem is that, when you
have that inferno within you,
1497
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:48,570
when you want to taste
the heart of darkness,
1498
01:03:48,570 --> 01:03:49,910
you must release it,
1499
01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:51,910
because whether or not
you do it,
1500
01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:54,910
it will find you.
It will come for you.
1501
01:03:54,910 --> 01:03:57,480
And if you don't rise
to meet it,
1502
01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:59,080
it will swallow you whole.
1503
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,890
- [Dustin] [squeals]
- I don't think that he's okay.
1504
01:04:03,890 --> 01:04:05,120
Mm, he's fine. He's okay.
1505
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:06,730
[Dustin screaming gutturally]
1506
01:04:06,730 --> 01:04:08,130
Are we... Are we gonna break?
1507
01:04:08,130 --> 01:04:09,730
[Christopher] Yeah, break.
Get off set for a second.
1508
01:04:09,730 --> 01:04:11,130
- Just fuck off.
- [Dustin sobbing]
1509
01:04:11,130 --> 01:04:13,900
No, you can drink the water
out of my shot.
1510
01:04:13,900 --> 01:04:15,100
Get the fuck out.
1511
01:04:15,100 --> 01:04:17,340
[Dustin] Can somebody... Oh!
1512
01:04:17,340 --> 01:04:18,370
I need my mom!
1513
01:04:18,370 --> 01:04:19,970
[Christopher] Yeah,
you know what, Marty?
1514
01:04:19,970 --> 01:04:22,010
I think you should clear out,
too.
1515
01:04:22,010 --> 01:04:28,080
[sobbing maniacally]
1516
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:35,190
I pinned the camera down,
because I was watching a murder,
1517
01:04:35,190 --> 01:04:38,560
a very slow murder
in front of me.
1518
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:41,160
[Thomas] During his tenure
on Dissident,
1519
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:45,300
Dustin allegedly slept
with all three of the victims,
1520
01:04:45,660 --> 01:04:48,970
was committed to
a psychiatric ward twice,
1521
01:04:48,970 --> 01:04:53,770
and overdosed once
the day after Barbera died.
1522
01:04:53,770 --> 01:04:56,010
Dustin Scott
was never charged.
1523
01:04:56,010 --> 01:04:58,540
However, when Barbera
was murdered,
1524
01:04:58,540 --> 01:05:02,280
despite a public outcry
to shut down the film,
1525
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,550
the search
for a new actress was on.
1526
01:05:05,780 --> 01:05:07,290
At this point,
1527
01:05:08,290 --> 01:05:11,590
uh, we are in the maelstrom.
1528
01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:14,130
This ship is taking on water.
1529
01:05:14,130 --> 01:05:16,830
The waves are crashing over
the deck.
1530
01:05:17,260 --> 01:05:19,400
The crew is mostly dead
of scurvy,
1531
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:22,100
and the ones
that are still alive...
1532
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,170
are considering mutiny.
1533
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:30,580
And then at this exact moment,
a ship appears on the horizon.
1534
01:05:30,580 --> 01:05:32,740
A ship with its cannons firing
directly at us,
1535
01:05:32,740 --> 01:05:37,250
flying a pirate flag
with the name Greata Daniels.
1536
01:05:37,250 --> 01:05:39,850
- What is inside you?
- I've never died before.
1537
01:05:39,850 --> 01:05:41,120
You've never died before?
1538
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:42,450
What a fucking statement
that is.
1539
01:05:42,450 --> 01:05:45,590
Fucking obvious.
What is inside you, Greata?
1540
01:05:45,590 --> 01:05:47,830
- Nothing.
- Exactly.
1541
01:05:47,830 --> 01:05:49,590
There's a saying in Hollywood.
1542
01:05:49,590 --> 01:05:51,400
The show must go on.
1543
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:56,440
And with that, Dissident cast
its third lead actress,
1544
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:58,040
Greata Daniels.
1545
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:01,740
Sometimes I think
you just say fancy words
1546
01:06:01,740 --> 01:06:04,180
and think that they make sense,
1547
01:06:04,180 --> 01:06:06,110
but they don't,
because you just want
1548
01:06:06,110 --> 01:06:07,780
to impress everybody around you.
1549
01:06:07,780 --> 01:06:11,880
Greata was a combination of
Marla Singer from Fight Club
1550
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,290
and Amy Dunne from Gone Girl.
1551
01:06:14,290 --> 01:06:15,920
A beautiful disaster.
1552
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:17,290
You're so creepy.
Do you know that?
1553
01:06:17,290 --> 01:06:18,290
It's part of the thing.
1554
01:06:18,290 --> 01:06:20,360
I love it, but, like,
1555
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,760
the shit that comes out
of your mouth sometimes
1556
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:24,730
is just mind-blowing.
1557
01:06:25,130 --> 01:06:27,030
[Pearl] Greata was
a shooting star in the sky.
1558
01:06:27,030 --> 01:06:32,470
Greata was a genius
1559
01:06:32,470 --> 01:06:33,840
wrapped in pain.
1560
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:37,740
When I find girls like this,
I peel them like an onion.
1561
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,350
And I peel all the pain
and the hurt
1562
01:06:40,350 --> 01:06:44,020
and the trauma
and the distrust.
1563
01:06:44,380 --> 01:06:46,320
And you know
what's in that onion?
1564
01:06:47,450 --> 01:06:48,750
A pearl.
1565
01:06:48,750 --> 01:06:50,820
I don't think Greata was ready
for Dissident,
1566
01:06:50,820 --> 01:06:55,060
but Dissident definitely
wasn't ready for Greata.
1567
01:06:55,060 --> 01:06:56,190
They explained this to me.
1568
01:06:56,190 --> 01:06:57,830
She, she's an alcoholic, right?
1569
01:06:57,830 --> 01:07:00,800
- That's what we're dealing with?
- No, no, no, no, no.
1570
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:02,230
This just keeps her level.
1571
01:07:02,230 --> 01:07:04,840
- It keeps her on an even keel.
- It's my natural state.
1572
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:07,340
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, so we
keep her at this even keel.
1573
01:07:07,340 --> 01:07:08,510
She's drunk
right at this moment?
1574
01:07:08,510 --> 01:07:09,740
No, no, I wouldn't
call it drunk.
1575
01:07:09,740 --> 01:07:11,210
- I would call it...
- You know what, Pearl?
1576
01:07:11,210 --> 01:07:12,680
A state of meditation.
1577
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:14,910
That's exactly what we call it,
a state of meditation.
1578
01:07:14,910 --> 01:07:18,250
- It makes me a better actor.
- Yeah, and keep her even.
1579
01:07:18,620 --> 01:07:21,890
She was supposed to be
in rehab for 120 days.
1580
01:07:21,890 --> 01:07:25,620
We picked her up for production
[chuckles] on the 30th day.
1581
01:07:26,990 --> 01:07:28,930
I shot up
some Benadryl last night,
1582
01:07:28,930 --> 01:07:31,800
and then I did a lot of cocaine.
1583
01:07:32,500 --> 01:07:34,200
Do you think I'm gonna die?
1584
01:07:35,070 --> 01:07:36,030
What?
1585
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,240
She just wasn't really easy
to work with,
1586
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:42,440
but the second that she
really committed herself,
1587
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:46,510
she's so talented
and incredible to watch.
1588
01:07:46,510 --> 01:07:50,320
I would find myself watching
her, like, magnetized almost,
1589
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,450
like I could not take
my eyes away.
1590
01:07:52,450 --> 01:07:55,020
It was insane,
and everybody felt like that.
1591
01:07:55,020 --> 01:07:57,460
Everyone was obsessed
with her.
1592
01:07:57,460 --> 01:07:59,190
I mean, she could
have been a cult leader,
1593
01:07:59,190 --> 01:08:01,130
and we all would have
blindly followed
1594
01:08:01,130 --> 01:08:03,860
her every single move.
1595
01:08:04,300 --> 01:08:06,830
A little cute puppy,
and you just want to squeeze it
1596
01:08:06,830 --> 01:08:08,270
and throw it in the trash can.
1597
01:08:08,270 --> 01:08:09,840
I usually want to grab them
by their ankles and just,
1598
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:11,070
you know, against the wall.
1599
01:08:11,070 --> 01:08:13,210
No, but, like, when a baby
is so cute, you just want to...
1600
01:08:13,210 --> 01:08:15,710
Greata was the most
unpredictable person
1601
01:08:15,710 --> 01:08:17,040
I've ever met.
1602
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:20,150
I mean, you never knew which
version of her you would get
1603
01:08:20,150 --> 01:08:22,280
or if she would even show up.
1604
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:24,120
Okay, I'll definitely
come tomorrow.
1605
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:25,520
Okay, fantastic.
1606
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:27,690
So, again, uh, Martin,
for you...
1607
01:08:27,690 --> 01:08:30,390
You couldn't count on Greata
for much,
1608
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:31,820
but what you could count on is
1609
01:08:31,820 --> 01:08:35,260
the bigger the day, the less
likely it is she shows up.
1610
01:08:35,260 --> 01:08:37,300
[Tedd] Greata would just do
whatever she wanted.
1611
01:08:37,300 --> 01:08:39,230
It didn't matter
if she was shooting 30 minutes
1612
01:08:39,230 --> 01:08:40,900
or 30 hours on set.
1613
01:08:40,900 --> 01:08:44,000
She would just vanish.
Nobody could find her.
1614
01:08:44,370 --> 01:08:46,070
[Christopher]
All right, good morning, boys.
1615
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:47,910
How we doing today?
Listen, I, uh,
1616
01:08:47,910 --> 01:08:49,210
I just got off the phone,
1617
01:08:49,210 --> 01:08:51,740
and Greata's gonna be
a no-show today.
1618
01:08:51,740 --> 01:08:52,610
[Martin] What?
1619
01:08:52,610 --> 01:08:53,910
Okay, yeah, Greata's not coming.
1620
01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:56,080
- What happened to Greata?
- Well, it doesn't matter.
1621
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:58,120
A series of events
probably occurred,
1622
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:00,550
all involving,
you know, strangers' dicks
1623
01:09:00,550 --> 01:09:02,990
and, uh, and, you know,
Colombian cocaine.
1624
01:09:02,990 --> 01:09:04,120
But that's not the point.
1625
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:05,720
The point is she's not going
to be here.
1626
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:07,330
[Chad] Greata's gonna do
whatever she wants
1627
01:09:07,330 --> 01:09:08,490
at any given moment.
1628
01:09:08,490 --> 01:09:11,030
Um, she's driven
purely by instinct
1629
01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:13,700
and her own id, I think.
1630
01:09:13,700 --> 01:09:16,640
If she wants cocaine,
that's what she's gonna do.
1631
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:19,200
If she wants to show up on set,
great, she'll be there that day.
1632
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:21,570
If not, tough shit.
1633
01:09:22,010 --> 01:09:24,680
[Ivan] We're getting ready
to do the big helicopter scene,
1634
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,310
stuns several cameras,
everybody's in place.
1635
01:09:27,310 --> 01:09:30,220
It's a big, it's a big scene
to pull off.
1636
01:09:30,220 --> 01:09:31,950
Helicopter is in the air.
1637
01:09:31,950 --> 01:09:34,550
Everything is ready,
and Greata doesn't show up.
1638
01:09:34,550 --> 01:09:36,690
Yeah. No, it's okay.
We'll come get you.
1639
01:09:36,690 --> 01:09:38,690
Lisa, where's your fucking
client, boo?
1640
01:09:38,690 --> 01:09:41,290
- I'm leaving her a voicemail.
- She's not on the phone?
1641
01:09:41,290 --> 01:09:43,930
She is at a Vietnamese
restaurant in Burbank.
1642
01:09:43,930 --> 01:09:45,330
Okay, okay. Can we...
1643
01:09:45,330 --> 01:09:47,670
I think she just felt
1644
01:09:47,670 --> 01:09:50,600
that production revolved
around her.
1645
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:54,210
No consideration for cast,
no consideration for crew,
1646
01:09:54,210 --> 01:09:56,140
no consideration for Pace.
1647
01:09:56,140 --> 01:09:57,680
Everyone out here is scared
of you.
1648
01:09:57,680 --> 01:09:59,980
I'm not scared of you.
I'm sexually attracted to you.
1649
01:09:59,980 --> 01:10:01,650
[Christopher] We're fucking
done! I'm done!
1650
01:10:01,650 --> 01:10:03,480
- Hi, sweetie. Yeah, okay.
- Fuck you! Fuck you!
1651
01:10:03,480 --> 01:10:07,050
Fuck her! I love you. I'm sorry.
It's not about you.
1652
01:10:07,050 --> 01:10:08,120
Fuck you! I'm done.
1653
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:09,590
I love you too, Pace.
1654
01:10:09,590 --> 01:10:12,260
We contracted Greata
for nine months.
1655
01:10:12,260 --> 01:10:14,760
She was killed on the 60th day,
1656
01:10:15,030 --> 01:10:19,430
and of the 60 days,
she only showed up on set 37.
1657
01:10:19,430 --> 01:10:21,830
You can let her know,
or you let Tedd know,
1658
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:23,400
that if she does not
come tomorrow,
1659
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:24,600
I will fucking kill her,
1660
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:26,040
'cause I don't appreciate
the volatility.
1661
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,640
She's not here now,
she won't be here permanently.
1662
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:29,570
That's it.
1663
01:10:29,570 --> 01:10:33,410
Greata was murdered that night
by THK.
1664
01:10:33,410 --> 01:10:35,480
The video of her murder,
like the others,
1665
01:10:35,480 --> 01:10:38,420
was posted
moments after it was taken.
1666
01:10:38,420 --> 01:10:39,780
And the next day,
1667
01:10:39,780 --> 01:10:45,660
the FBI officially classified
THK as a serial killer.
1668
01:10:45,660 --> 01:10:47,390
And that's when I got involved.
1669
01:10:47,390 --> 01:10:52,030
[eerie music]
[Greata screaming]
1670
01:11:00,170 --> 01:11:06,510
There's a level of infamy
that a serial killer makes it to
1671
01:11:06,510 --> 01:11:08,850
when they become
known forever.
1672
01:11:08,850 --> 01:11:10,720
Pop culture icons.
1673
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:12,950
White women can't get enough.
1674
01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:17,060
BTK, Night Stalker, Zodiac.
1675
01:11:17,490 --> 01:11:20,060
Now we've got
The Hollywood Killer.
1676
01:11:20,490 --> 01:11:22,590
The first thing I did
when I got on this case
1677
01:11:22,590 --> 01:11:24,700
was to subpoena the footage.
1678
01:11:24,700 --> 01:11:26,060
Upon reviewing it, I learned
1679
01:11:26,060 --> 01:11:29,200
that the cameras were rolling
the entire time.
1680
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:31,470
Something which I kept
to myself,
1681
01:11:31,470 --> 01:11:33,470
as I knew this would be
1682
01:11:33,470 --> 01:11:35,740
my greatest resource
of evidence.
1683
01:11:36,310 --> 01:11:38,180
And it was.
1684
01:11:38,180 --> 01:11:39,680
If anything ever happened to me,
1685
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,210
if I ever died,
look at fucking Melvin.
1686
01:11:42,210 --> 01:11:43,520
It's definitely Melvin.
1687
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:46,450
It's never a good sign
when the murdered person
1688
01:11:46,450 --> 01:11:48,820
calls you out by name,
1689
01:11:48,820 --> 01:11:52,260
but that's what happened
to our fifth suspect.
1690
01:11:52,260 --> 01:11:54,230
Melvin Asher.
[eerie music]
1691
01:11:54,230 --> 01:11:56,760
The overwhelming theory
on Melvin
1692
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:58,830
is that he wasn't happy
with the actresses
1693
01:11:58,830 --> 01:12:01,770
and killed them one by one
until he got
1694
01:12:01,770 --> 01:12:04,040
the one he thought
could win him an Oscar.
1695
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:08,440
His relationship with Greata
certainly didn't help his case.
1696
01:12:08,440 --> 01:12:11,440
Greata, if you fuck this movie
up for me,
1697
01:12:11,440 --> 01:12:13,010
I'll kill you.
1698
01:12:13,010 --> 01:12:16,980
The three things I look for
in every serial killer's mind
1699
01:12:16,980 --> 01:12:20,590
are lack of remorse,
the need to control,
1700
01:12:20,590 --> 01:12:24,120
and narcissistic
personality disorder.
1701
01:12:24,390 --> 01:12:25,790
[Thomas] Can you tell me
a little bit
1702
01:12:25,790 --> 01:12:27,490
about your relationship
with Melvin?
1703
01:12:27,490 --> 01:12:29,430
Yeah, I, uh, [chuckles]
1704
01:12:29,430 --> 01:12:30,930
I was the lead
of The Tarantula Prince.
1705
01:12:30,930 --> 01:12:34,070
That's his first movie.
It's kind of what broke him out.
1706
01:12:34,070 --> 01:12:35,130
You're welcome.
1707
01:12:35,130 --> 01:12:39,400
[dramatic classical music]
[swashbuckler laughs]
1708
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:42,240
- [sword swishes]
- To your death!
1709
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:46,810
[swashbucklers grunting]
1710
01:13:01,330 --> 01:13:05,700
Yeah!
1711
01:13:06,300 --> 01:13:11,140
On paper, Melvin's probably
your prototype for a killer.
1712
01:13:11,140 --> 01:13:13,570
He's got the size,
he's got the anger,
1713
01:13:13,570 --> 01:13:15,140
he's got the snapping,
1714
01:13:15,140 --> 01:13:16,740
all the psychosis that goes
1715
01:13:16,740 --> 01:13:18,410
into being able
to murder someone.
1716
01:13:18,410 --> 01:13:20,480
Hey, have you seen
this man's intensity?
1717
01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:21,880
Wait till you interview him.
1718
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:23,720
That guy doesn't say anything
on accident.
1719
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:27,590
I think his entire life story
is rehearsed in a mirror, man.
1720
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:31,860
[grunting]
1721
01:13:31,860 --> 01:13:35,330
Today is the day I win an Oscar.
1722
01:13:35,630 --> 01:13:38,430
I will win an Oscar today.
1723
01:13:38,430 --> 01:13:40,200
I am not a contender.
1724
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:42,300
I am the fucking adventurer.
1725
01:13:42,300 --> 01:13:44,470
I will win this fucking Oscar.
1726
01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:46,700
I am not a loser. I am a winner.
1727
01:13:46,700 --> 01:13:49,840
I am not a bridesmaid.
I'm the fucking bride.
1728
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:50,980
Let's go.
1729
01:13:52,510 --> 01:13:55,680
[Thomas]
Do you think there's any chance
1730
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:58,950
that Melvin Asher
was the killer?
1731
01:13:58,950 --> 01:14:02,890
[inhales sharply] Yeah, sure.
Uh, it's, uh, possible.
1732
01:14:03,250 --> 01:14:06,220
If I was to write the story
of Melvin as murderer,
1733
01:14:06,220 --> 01:14:07,630
I would tell it like this.
1734
01:14:07,630 --> 01:14:09,830
A man who has already achieved
1735
01:14:09,830 --> 01:14:12,230
great wealth and success
and fame
1736
01:14:12,230 --> 01:14:14,170
from the movies he's done
and yet is not satisfied.
1737
01:14:14,170 --> 01:14:15,870
He wants prestige.
He wants something more.
1738
01:14:15,870 --> 01:14:18,270
He wants to be taken seriously.
And he finds himself
1739
01:14:18,270 --> 01:14:20,640
on a movie where he believes
he can do just that.
1740
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:22,710
And yet there are women
1741
01:14:22,710 --> 01:14:25,480
that he perceives to be
in his way.
1742
01:14:25,480 --> 01:14:27,610
Now, what does a man
1743
01:14:27,610 --> 01:14:29,850
who knows
he cannot achieve happiness
1744
01:14:29,850 --> 01:14:32,950
unless he wins an award
for this film,
1745
01:14:32,950 --> 01:14:35,220
what is this man willing
to do?
1746
01:14:35,220 --> 01:14:36,860
Would he kill for it?
1747
01:14:36,860 --> 01:14:39,760
In this story,
I believe he does.
1748
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:43,460
You know, signing on to
Dissident was a dream for me.
1749
01:14:43,460 --> 01:14:44,600
Hey, Melvin.
1750
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,170
What do you think bad acting
looks like?
1751
01:14:48,570 --> 01:14:50,170
- Like bad acting?
- There it is.
1752
01:14:50,170 --> 01:14:52,700
I see it. It's, it's like this.
I see it right now.
1753
01:14:52,700 --> 01:14:54,410
- Stop it.
- All right. All right, let's go.
1754
01:14:54,410 --> 01:14:57,580
Working with Pace is something
1755
01:14:57,580 --> 01:15:01,280
I wish every performer
could do.
1756
01:15:01,610 --> 01:15:05,150
Okay, he pulls the artist
from the actor.
1757
01:15:05,150 --> 01:15:07,390
And after doing
the Quick and Quicker films
1758
01:15:07,390 --> 01:15:09,250
for the last decade,
1759
01:15:09,250 --> 01:15:10,760
it's what I needed.
1760
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,530
But knowing this footage
is out there,
1761
01:15:13,530 --> 01:15:15,430
I can understand how people
1762
01:15:15,430 --> 01:15:17,300
could have this perception
of me.
1763
01:15:17,300 --> 01:15:22,570
I hope they know that I truly,
truly cared about this film.
1764
01:15:22,870 --> 01:15:25,340
And then at my core, I'm...
1765
01:15:25,340 --> 01:15:27,670
You know, I'm just a good guy.
1766
01:15:27,670 --> 01:15:29,910
What the fuck, man?
1767
01:15:29,910 --> 01:15:33,110
Ivan, what are we
fucking doing?!
1768
01:15:34,150 --> 01:15:36,480
I know people have
their opinions on him,
1769
01:15:36,480 --> 01:15:38,550
but I love Melvin.
1770
01:15:38,550 --> 01:15:39,980
He's my godfather.
1771
01:15:39,980 --> 01:15:42,150
He took that role
very seriously.
1772
01:15:42,150 --> 01:15:44,760
He postponed production
on a major motion picture
1773
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:46,520
so he wouldn't miss
the opening night
1774
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:47,990
of my school play.
1775
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:50,960
He taught me how to drive
when I was, like, 13.
1776
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:55,470
And he was the first person
to say, "Do it,"
1777
01:15:55,470 --> 01:15:57,700
when I wanted to make movies.
1778
01:15:57,700 --> 01:16:01,770
That being said,
he had issues with the girls.
1779
01:16:02,410 --> 01:16:03,880
He fought with Ava.
1780
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:05,580
It's really hard to act
with somebody who's so dumb,
1781
01:16:05,580 --> 01:16:06,640
but it's okay.
1782
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:07,780
[Christopher]
This is a Melvin thing?
1783
01:16:07,780 --> 01:16:09,280
- Because of his stupidity?
- "So dumb"?
1784
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:11,380
[Christopher] We had an entire
meeting about how stupid he is.
1785
01:16:11,380 --> 01:16:12,520
"So dumb"?
1786
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:14,090
I mean, he has
45 million dollars, so...
1787
01:16:14,090 --> 01:16:17,790
Yeah, you know communication
is only 30% verbal, right?
1788
01:16:17,790 --> 01:16:19,290
So what you said doesn't matter.
1789
01:16:19,290 --> 01:16:21,330
I don't know that you know what
you're talking about at all.
1790
01:16:21,330 --> 01:16:22,560
I'm, guys, I'm so tired.
1791
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:23,930
I really am hungry
and I gotta go.
1792
01:16:23,930 --> 01:16:25,060
[Christopher] Don't run away
from the fight.
1793
01:16:25,060 --> 01:16:26,600
- Just engage with him.
- Oh, no, no, no--
1794
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:28,070
He's an asshole. He's the worst.
1795
01:16:28,070 --> 01:16:30,130
An asshole? I was trying
to help. I was trying to help.
1796
01:16:30,130 --> 01:16:32,400
- Subtext, okay? Great, awesome.
- Oh, yeah.
1797
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:33,400
Oh, okay. So you're just--
1798
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:35,840
You're so smart, sweetie.
Yeah, just look pretty.
1799
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:37,740
You're very handsome.
That's good for you.
1800
01:16:37,740 --> 01:16:39,280
- Thank you. I appreciate that.
- Can we go?
1801
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:42,310
He never thought Barbera
was right for the role.
1802
01:16:42,650 --> 01:16:44,820
- Get rid of her.
- No, I--
1803
01:16:44,820 --> 01:16:46,550
You know how much money
that's gonna cost?
1804
01:16:46,550 --> 01:16:47,950
You know,
all the things involved.
1805
01:16:47,950 --> 01:16:49,720
I don't know if I have it in me.
1806
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:53,090
John, it'll cost you less money.
I'll waive my fee.
1807
01:16:53,090 --> 01:16:54,660
And Greata?
1808
01:16:54,660 --> 01:16:58,200
Well, he despised Greata.
1809
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:00,330
This has been the pinnacle
of my career,
1810
01:17:00,330 --> 01:17:01,930
working with each and every one
of you.
1811
01:17:01,930 --> 01:17:04,870
I appreciate and I love
1812
01:17:05,170 --> 01:17:08,010
every single one of you
on this set, okay?
1813
01:17:08,010 --> 01:17:09,870
And I just wanna,
I just wanna thank you.
1814
01:17:09,870 --> 01:17:12,240
I love you all.
Uh, except for Greata.
1815
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:14,510
I hope she fucking dies.
All right, that's it.
1816
01:17:14,510 --> 01:17:15,880
- Let's go.
- You're done?
1817
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:19,350
Working with Greata was
the worst experience of my life.
1818
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:22,290
- She even know here lines?
- You know your line?
1819
01:17:22,290 --> 01:17:23,450
[obnoxious chewing]
1820
01:17:23,450 --> 01:17:25,720
- Of course I know my lines.
- Can you say for me, please?
1821
01:17:28,630 --> 01:17:31,060
- Pearl?
- There you go.
1822
01:17:31,060 --> 01:17:34,170
Greata did not deserve
to be in this movie.
1823
01:17:34,170 --> 01:17:37,740
She had no respect for the craft
or her fellow actors.
1824
01:17:37,740 --> 01:17:39,000
She didn't even remember
her fucking line!
1825
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:40,300
Okay, okay, okay.
You know what I want?
1826
01:17:40,300 --> 01:17:41,810
Where's her juice?
Where's her fucking--
1827
01:17:41,810 --> 01:17:42,970
No, no, this is what we need.
1828
01:17:42,970 --> 01:17:44,710
You've done the action films,
right? Okay?
1829
01:17:44,710 --> 01:17:46,010
I want you to apply
some pressure.
1830
01:17:46,010 --> 01:17:47,280
Sleeper hold.
Don't let her pass out!
1831
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,210
Bro, you gotta fucking
microdose her!
1832
01:17:49,210 --> 01:17:50,210
Just a little bit.
1833
01:17:50,210 --> 01:17:51,580
- Give her her alcohol.
- That's the microdose!
1834
01:17:51,580 --> 01:17:55,090
[Melvin] I wanted to be
exceptional in this film.
1835
01:17:55,090 --> 01:17:56,790
And she was inhibiting me
1836
01:17:56,790 --> 01:17:59,420
from reaching my potential
with this character.
1837
01:17:59,420 --> 01:18:01,190
And I have to be honest.
1838
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:05,060
It affected me.
1839
01:18:05,460 --> 01:18:09,570
Greata, do you know how many
scenes in cars I've had to do
1840
01:18:09,570 --> 01:18:13,070
to do this scene
in this fucking car?
1841
01:18:13,540 --> 01:18:17,140
First you threaten me,
and then you fucking yell at me!
1842
01:18:17,140 --> 01:18:18,680
I don't know
who you think you are,
1843
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:20,380
but you're messing
with the wrong person.
1844
01:18:20,380 --> 01:18:22,450
You really don't wanna
fucking threaten me.
1845
01:18:22,450 --> 01:18:26,720
Melvin hates Greata
more than I hate Tedd.
1846
01:18:27,190 --> 01:18:31,520
My entire fucking life
I worked to be here!
1847
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:34,660
In this car? Right now?
God, that must be depressing.
1848
01:18:34,660 --> 01:18:37,330
[Martin] It was never-ending,
all day,
1849
01:18:37,330 --> 01:18:40,500
every day.
Greata, Greata, Greata.
1850
01:18:41,470 --> 01:18:43,100
[sighs]
1851
01:18:43,370 --> 01:18:44,570
She's doing fucking coke.
1852
01:18:44,570 --> 01:18:46,640
She's showing up late.
It's un-fucking-believable, man!
1853
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:48,040
[Martin] Hey, calm down.
1854
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:51,310
No, no, she's fucking up
Pace's words, right?
1855
01:18:51,310 --> 01:18:55,080
She's fucking up Ivan's vision,
and she's fucking up my Oscar!
1856
01:18:55,380 --> 01:18:56,850
It's fucking, God...
1857
01:18:56,850 --> 01:18:59,320
If it's meant to be,
you'll get the Oscar.
1858
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:01,850
- I am gonna get the Oscar.
- That's what I'm talking about.
1859
01:19:01,850 --> 01:19:05,660
She's fucking it up, man!
Pisses me off.
1860
01:19:05,660 --> 01:19:07,890
If all that wasn't enough,
1861
01:19:07,890 --> 01:19:11,160
Pace got Melvin to confess
to the murders.
1862
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:13,930
You can do it.
"I strangled those three women."
1863
01:19:13,930 --> 01:19:16,130
- I strangled those three women.
- "And it felt good."
1864
01:19:16,130 --> 01:19:18,400
- And it felt good.
- "And it felt right."
1865
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,510
- And it felt right.
- "Because it was right.
1866
01:19:20,510 --> 01:19:23,170
- Especially fucking Greata."
- [inhales sharply]
1867
01:19:23,170 --> 01:19:25,180
Oh, yeah, that one! That one!
1868
01:19:25,180 --> 01:19:26,380
[roars]
1869
01:19:26,380 --> 01:19:27,780
- Yes! Yes.
- [roars]
1870
01:19:27,780 --> 01:19:30,280
- That one felt good.
- [roars]
1871
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:33,990
[Smitty] When he admitted
that he did the murder,
1872
01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:36,220
we didn't know whether
it was maybe performance,
1873
01:19:36,220 --> 01:19:39,290
you know, he's going after
that Oscar or not,
1874
01:19:39,290 --> 01:19:42,860
but, man, we all looked around
and said, "Holy shit."
1875
01:19:44,130 --> 01:19:46,960
[Thomas] What do you have
to say about the confession?
1876
01:19:48,670 --> 01:19:50,330
Method acting.
1877
01:19:51,300 --> 01:19:54,940
Melvin never wanted Ava,
Barbera, or Greata
1878
01:19:54,940 --> 01:19:56,510
in Dissident.
1879
01:19:56,510 --> 01:20:00,310
There was only one actress he
thought was right for the part.
1880
01:20:00,310 --> 01:20:03,880
And after every murder,
he would pitch her to Tedd.
1881
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:06,380
Sort of singles
until we find a new actress.
1882
01:20:06,380 --> 01:20:07,990
- By the way, I talked to Tedd.
- Huh?
1883
01:20:07,990 --> 01:20:09,950
- Audrey's available.
- Who?
1884
01:20:09,950 --> 01:20:11,420
Audrey Evans.
1885
01:20:11,420 --> 01:20:13,490
Who is Audrey Evans?
1886
01:20:13,490 --> 01:20:14,590
You feel inspired?
1887
01:20:14,590 --> 01:20:17,800
No, I don't feel inspired.
I'm fucking freezing.
1888
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:19,830
You can't take inspiration
from the cold?
1889
01:20:19,830 --> 01:20:21,970
I fucking hate you.
I, I fucking hate you.
1890
01:20:21,970 --> 01:20:23,800
I fantasize
about you fucking dying.
1891
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:25,900
I hope you get fucking syphilis.
You probably already have it
1892
01:20:25,900 --> 01:20:27,210
because you're sleeping
with Ava.
1893
01:20:27,210 --> 01:20:29,340
I fucking hate you.
Everyone fucking hates you!
1894
01:20:29,340 --> 01:20:31,810
- Okay, okay, okay.
- And I hope you fucking die!
1895
01:20:31,810 --> 01:20:34,710
Now let's meet our fourth
and final girl,
1896
01:20:34,710 --> 01:20:36,280
Audrey Evans.
1897
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:38,780
Audrey Evans, I, I'm a big fan.
1898
01:20:38,780 --> 01:20:40,250
She's really
an excellent actress.
1899
01:20:40,250 --> 01:20:41,690
She does all her own stunts.
1900
01:20:41,690 --> 01:20:44,520
There's really very little
that she has not accomplished.
1901
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:47,990
I do think that her ending up
in Dissident makes sense.
1902
01:20:47,990 --> 01:20:50,960
She's there in a way
to avenge
1903
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:53,100
her co-star from Blue Orchid,
Greata,
1904
01:20:53,100 --> 01:20:55,130
who had a tragic fate
on Dissident.
1905
01:20:55,130 --> 01:20:57,300
And I think, I think
she kicks ass in the film.
1906
01:20:57,300 --> 01:20:59,570
I think she does a great job.
1907
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:03,070
I was so excited
to do this movie.
1908
01:21:04,180 --> 01:21:05,340
But...
1909
01:21:06,010 --> 01:21:07,880
The time has come.
1910
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:15,020
For what?
1911
01:21:16,950 --> 01:21:18,460
It's time.
1912
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:24,600
[laughing] I'm sorry.
Are we going?
1913
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:25,630
This film was a nightmare.
1914
01:21:25,630 --> 01:21:28,330
I've never had a worse time
doing something.
1915
01:21:28,330 --> 01:21:30,270
They don't give you a script.
1916
01:21:30,270 --> 01:21:31,500
They don't tell you
what's happening.
1917
01:21:31,500 --> 01:21:33,800
You don't even know who else
is in the scene.
1918
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:35,410
They just go.
They press record.
1919
01:21:35,410 --> 01:21:37,880
Actually, I don't even know
if they ever did press record
1920
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:39,540
because it's just
constantly rolling.
1921
01:21:39,540 --> 01:21:41,850
You just go.
And people are just saying shit.
1922
01:21:41,850 --> 01:21:43,550
And you just have to go with it.
1923
01:21:43,550 --> 01:21:45,980
Why are you going along
with what he says?
1924
01:21:45,980 --> 01:21:47,390
Sister, I'm at the bottom
of the call sheet.
1925
01:21:47,390 --> 01:21:49,450
"Sister"?
What am I the fucking sister?
1926
01:21:49,450 --> 01:21:50,350
It's not my place!
1927
01:21:50,350 --> 01:21:51,860
I thought you were
my fucking friend.
1928
01:21:51,860 --> 01:21:53,220
- You are a joke.
- I am your friend.
1929
01:21:53,220 --> 01:21:55,160
- You fucking pussy!
- Ah! I'm your friend!
1930
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:56,490
- You're a fucking loser!
- I'm your friend!
1931
01:21:56,490 --> 01:21:59,430
- You're a fucking--
- No! No! Ah!
1932
01:21:59,430 --> 01:22:01,300
- Not in the water!
- I fucking hate you!
1933
01:22:01,300 --> 01:22:03,630
I thought you were my friend,
you piece of shit!
1934
01:22:03,630 --> 01:22:06,900
Why are you just going along
with whatever the fuck he says?
1935
01:22:06,900 --> 01:22:09,710
[indistinct]
1936
01:22:09,710 --> 01:22:11,710
I have no control here.
1937
01:22:11,710 --> 01:22:12,980
What you have to understand
1938
01:22:12,980 --> 01:22:15,080
is that Audrey
comes into this film,
1939
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:16,880
I don't know, 500 days into it
or something.
1940
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:19,880
She's the fourth actress.
Three actresses have died.
1941
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:21,350
She's got a lot
on her shoulders.
1942
01:22:21,350 --> 01:22:24,360
I mean, this is someone
who is following in footsteps
1943
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:26,020
that are basically tainted.
1944
01:22:26,020 --> 01:22:27,560
And finally, most fundamental,
1945
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:29,190
have you ever been inside
a Turkish prison?
1946
01:22:29,190 --> 01:22:31,460
- Why are you yelling?
- Why am I yelling?
1947
01:22:31,460 --> 01:22:33,660
Because I'm fucking passionate!
Why aren't you yelling?
1948
01:22:33,660 --> 01:22:38,340
After her first week on set,
Audrey called me and she said,
1949
01:22:38,340 --> 01:22:41,410
"I'm going to take over
this fucking movie."
1950
01:22:41,410 --> 01:22:44,880
Some people get on a bad set
and they see it as a problem.
1951
01:22:45,210 --> 01:22:47,810
I see it as an opportunity.
1952
01:22:48,380 --> 01:22:51,980
An opportunity to take over
the whole fucking production.
1953
01:22:53,580 --> 01:22:55,690
Choose a fucking side.
1954
01:22:57,560 --> 01:22:58,990
[Christopher] Cut!
1955
01:22:58,990 --> 01:23:01,930
Holy shit. [screams] Oh, my God.
1956
01:23:01,930 --> 01:23:03,830
Oh, calm down.
It's not even loaded.
1957
01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:05,100
Sorry.
1958
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:09,000
I started off
as Audrey's assistant,
1959
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:10,630
um, which, as we all know,
1960
01:23:10,630 --> 01:23:14,010
and you guys have seen,
um, was brutal.
1961
01:23:14,010 --> 01:23:16,940
Sandra, get the fuck out. Go on!
1962
01:23:16,940 --> 01:23:18,340
[Sandra] Oh, God. Oh, sorry.
1963
01:23:18,340 --> 01:23:21,750
I was one
of Audrey's biggest fans.
1964
01:23:21,750 --> 01:23:23,380
Oh, it's so hot.
1965
01:23:23,380 --> 01:23:25,050
Your mother called
and your agent called.
1966
01:23:25,050 --> 01:23:26,780
Who would you like me
to call back first?
1967
01:23:26,780 --> 01:23:27,990
- My agent.
- Okay.
1968
01:23:27,990 --> 01:23:29,950
I got that. Oh, let me see.
1969
01:23:29,950 --> 01:23:32,560
I mean, I grew up looking up
to her.
1970
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:35,230
She's one of those people
that does her own stunts.
1971
01:23:35,230 --> 01:23:38,930
She's like the modern day
female version of Tom Cruise.
1972
01:23:38,930 --> 01:23:40,530
She's pretty incredible
and amazing.
1973
01:23:40,530 --> 01:23:43,600
Um, except she's just
a terrible person.
1974
01:23:44,570 --> 01:23:46,100
[crying]
I'm just really overwhelmed!
1975
01:23:46,100 --> 01:23:48,270
How is he supposed to do his job
if you're standing here crying?
1976
01:23:48,270 --> 01:23:51,440
- Yeah, you think about that.
- Waa! Waa! Waa! Waa!
1977
01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:54,850
Oh, my God,
just go to my trailer!
1978
01:23:55,180 --> 01:23:58,180
Fuck me! Sorry, she's just...
1979
01:23:58,180 --> 01:24:00,250
I remember Audrey's first day.
1980
01:24:00,250 --> 01:24:01,520
Pace said he wanted to test her,
1981
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:04,390
but I think he wanted
to make her quit.
1982
01:24:04,390 --> 01:24:07,490
[Christopher] I need
less acting from the fire!
1983
01:24:07,490 --> 01:24:10,960
- [coughing]
- Down! Take it down!
1984
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:13,900
[Martin] Look, we burned
through 11 Ferraris that day
1985
01:24:13,900 --> 01:24:16,030
to get a 10-second scene.
1986
01:24:16,300 --> 01:24:19,270
To Audrey, this was
all insane, but to all of us,
1987
01:24:19,270 --> 01:24:22,710
this was just another
typical day on Dissident.
1988
01:24:22,710 --> 01:24:25,610
[Audrey] You met me at
a strange time in my life.
1989
01:24:29,310 --> 01:24:32,220
We were so fortunate
to have Audrey.
1990
01:24:32,220 --> 01:24:33,580
She made this movie
1991
01:24:33,580 --> 01:24:36,420
and was just a pleasure
to share scenes with.
1992
01:24:36,420 --> 01:24:38,920
I know Audrey hated
Pace's methods,
1993
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:40,890
but that's what it takes.
1994
01:24:40,890 --> 01:24:44,660
He does whatever he needs to get
the best out of you.
1995
01:24:44,660 --> 01:24:46,600
The real question
before we begin is,
1996
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:49,800
do either of you know
what a paradox is?
1997
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:51,670
- No.
- God, no.
1998
01:24:51,670 --> 01:24:54,110
And that's what he did
for Audrey.
1999
01:24:54,110 --> 01:24:56,010
He challenged her.
2000
01:24:56,010 --> 01:24:58,440
Both of you are movie stars
2001
01:24:58,440 --> 01:25:01,010
and yet are completely
without talent.
2002
01:25:01,010 --> 01:25:02,450
- This is a paradox.
- What?
2003
01:25:02,450 --> 01:25:04,820
It's not
that she's deeply untalented.
2004
01:25:04,820 --> 01:25:05,820
I won't say that.
2005
01:25:05,820 --> 01:25:08,850
I, I don't think Audrey
is, is untalented.
2006
01:25:08,850 --> 01:25:10,650
The, the issue is, you know,
2007
01:25:10,650 --> 01:25:13,760
what is your talent,
uh, being used for?
2008
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,860
And like a cancer,
uh, Audrey's talent
2009
01:25:16,860 --> 01:25:22,100
is to turn the facets of life
of the film
2010
01:25:22,100 --> 01:25:23,200
in on themselves
2011
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:25,840
and to destroy
from, from within.
2012
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:30,670
Um, so a talented girl,
uh, uh, a terrible actress.
2013
01:25:30,670 --> 01:25:33,810
[Dustin] Whether you like him
or not, Pace is the boss.
2014
01:25:34,210 --> 01:25:36,780
And Audrey always wants to be
the boss.
2015
01:25:36,780 --> 01:25:37,950
She's a control freak.
2016
01:25:37,950 --> 01:25:41,490
She needs to take over
everything and manipulate it.
2017
01:25:41,490 --> 01:25:44,120
I'm about to
fucking direct this myself
2018
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:45,920
if you don't fucking figure
your shit out!
2019
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:49,530
I have, like, 0% body fat,
I'm fucking freezing,
2020
01:25:49,530 --> 01:25:52,400
and this has been going on
way too long!
2021
01:25:53,530 --> 01:25:54,730
Ah, shit!
2022
01:25:54,730 --> 01:25:57,840
- Don't fucking touch me!
- I don't know.
2023
01:25:57,840 --> 01:25:59,500
God, fuck!
2024
01:25:59,500 --> 01:26:01,940
I need you
to get this pine cone down!
2025
01:26:01,940 --> 01:26:05,340
Oh, my God! Where are you going?
2026
01:26:05,340 --> 01:26:07,980
To get the pine cone down!
2027
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:09,850
[Audrey] I called Tedd,
crying,
2028
01:26:09,850 --> 01:26:13,220
begged him to get me out
of this shit show.
2029
01:26:13,550 --> 01:26:16,120
And I'll never forget
what he said.
2030
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:19,920
He said, "The only way you're
getting out of this film
2031
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:21,560
is in a body bag."
2032
01:26:24,430 --> 01:26:27,330
You just make up your mind,
I will do whatever you want.
2033
01:26:27,330 --> 01:26:30,400
Just choose one thing
and I will fucking...
2034
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:31,600
[Christopher]
You'll do whatever I want?
2035
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:32,970
I will, I will do
whatever you want.
2036
01:26:32,970 --> 01:26:35,940
[Christopher] That's fantastic.
Quit! Quit.
2037
01:26:37,310 --> 01:26:38,610
Quit. Leave the set.
2038
01:26:38,610 --> 01:26:41,650
I can't fire you 'cause I, I
already fired, uh, Barb,
2039
01:26:41,650 --> 01:26:43,180
tried to, then they killed her.
2040
01:26:43,180 --> 01:26:44,380
Greata, tried,
then they killed her.
2041
01:26:44,380 --> 01:26:45,920
Well, hopefully,
they'll fucking kill me.
2042
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:48,250
[Christopher] I... God, you're
preaching to the fucking choir!
2043
01:26:48,250 --> 01:26:50,090
But if you want to avoid that,
2044
01:26:50,090 --> 01:26:52,120
why don't you just walk off
the set?
2045
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:54,230
You know what I mean?
Wouldn't that be easier?
2046
01:26:54,230 --> 01:26:55,630
You just let go.
2047
01:26:55,630 --> 01:26:57,530
Imagine someone has their hands
around your throat, okay?
2048
01:26:57,530 --> 01:26:58,860
Just tell me what you want--
2049
01:26:58,860 --> 01:27:00,400
[Christopher] And they're--
I want you to quit.
2050
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:01,800
I just want you to die.
You're struggling.
2051
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:03,530
You're fighting back.
Just let go.
2052
01:27:03,530 --> 01:27:06,840
Let darkness take you.
Return to the void.
2053
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:08,640
Just let go. There it is.
2054
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:10,440
There it is. She's letting go.
2055
01:27:10,440 --> 01:27:12,980
We see that? Let go. Okay.
2056
01:27:12,980 --> 01:27:14,080
Keep letting go.
2057
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:15,450
Beautiful. Can we roll?
2058
01:27:15,450 --> 01:27:18,880
- We rolling? Okay. Let go.
- [Ivan] Yeah, we're rolling.
2059
01:27:19,450 --> 01:27:22,790
[Christopher] This is beautiful.
All right. And action.
2060
01:27:23,850 --> 01:27:25,460
[heavy breathing]
2061
01:27:25,460 --> 01:27:28,490
No, you're holding on.
Let go. Let go!
2062
01:27:28,490 --> 01:27:30,690
No, don't make a snow angel.
There it is!
2063
01:27:30,690 --> 01:27:31,660
She let go.
2064
01:27:31,660 --> 01:27:33,930
Pace can say he hated Audrey
all he wants,
2065
01:27:33,930 --> 01:27:36,800
but he did all of this
very intentionally to get
2066
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:39,270
the performance out of her
that he wanted.
2067
01:27:39,270 --> 01:27:40,800
And it worked.
2068
01:27:41,540 --> 01:27:43,210
[shallow breathing]
2069
01:27:43,210 --> 01:27:46,510
If you're lucky enough to get
out of here with your life,
2070
01:27:46,510 --> 01:27:49,510
you better thank whatever God
you pray to.
2071
01:27:49,510 --> 01:27:50,980
[sinister laughing]
2072
01:27:50,980 --> 01:27:52,650
[Christopher] You don't work
with people like Audrey.
2073
01:27:52,650 --> 01:27:54,620
You subvert them.
You survive them.
2074
01:27:54,620 --> 01:27:57,220
You participate
in little wars against them.
2075
01:27:57,220 --> 01:28:00,290
Small coups. You undermine them.
2076
01:28:01,230 --> 01:28:03,430
And you hope to God
that they die
2077
01:28:03,430 --> 01:28:05,230
of some sort of coronary event
2078
01:28:05,230 --> 01:28:07,200
before they ever complete
whatever task
2079
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:08,870
they have set out on.
2080
01:28:09,700 --> 01:28:11,140
[grumbles]
2081
01:28:11,440 --> 01:28:14,310
Which brings us
to Audrey's attempted murder.
2082
01:28:14,310 --> 01:28:16,740
As you have seen,
even someone as gifted
2083
01:28:16,740 --> 01:28:18,510
as gifted as
The Hollywood Killer
2084
01:28:18,510 --> 01:28:22,010
was not able to complete
a scene with her.
2085
01:28:22,010 --> 01:28:24,010
Or was he?
2086
01:28:24,010 --> 01:28:31,820
[unsettling music]
2087
01:29:32,450 --> 01:29:34,420
[gasps] [screams]
2088
01:29:41,190 --> 01:29:43,590
Despite...
2089
01:29:43,590 --> 01:29:47,530
having all
of the circumstances
2090
01:29:47,530 --> 01:29:49,670
that allowed him to complete
2091
01:29:49,670 --> 01:29:53,340
these previous murders
successfully abdicates.
2092
01:29:53,340 --> 01:29:56,140
Have you seen the video?
He lets her go.
2093
01:29:56,140 --> 01:29:58,710
[choking] Help!
2094
01:29:58,710 --> 01:30:02,280
[choking]
[bellowing]
2095
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:06,080
[panting] [grunts] Help!
2096
01:30:06,480 --> 01:30:07,890
Production on Dissident
wrapped
2097
01:30:07,890 --> 01:30:09,620
two days
after the attempted murder,
2098
01:30:09,620 --> 01:30:11,820
and as of the recording
of this interview,
2099
01:30:11,820 --> 01:30:14,430
The Hollywood Killer
has stopped,
2100
01:30:14,730 --> 01:30:17,360
leading many people
to believe that the killings
2101
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:19,730
were motivated
by the killer's desire
2102
01:30:19,730 --> 01:30:21,630
to shut down Dissident.
2103
01:30:22,270 --> 01:30:23,900
With that in mind,
2104
01:30:23,900 --> 01:30:27,440
I want to look back
at all of the suspects.
2105
01:30:27,740 --> 01:30:29,840
Christopher Pace swore
2106
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:32,880
that he would do anything
to protect his film,
2107
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:35,110
even burn it to the ground.
2108
01:30:35,110 --> 01:30:39,250
Lawrence Hughes was devastated
with Ava leaving him
2109
01:30:39,250 --> 01:30:42,050
and vowed to destroy the film.
2110
01:30:42,050 --> 01:30:43,050
Tedd Mankiewicz,
2111
01:30:43,050 --> 01:30:45,290
with a billion-dollar divorce
looming,
2112
01:30:45,290 --> 01:30:49,190
his reputation on the line,
and an ego-shattering affair
2113
01:30:49,190 --> 01:30:51,160
between Dustin and Barbera,
2114
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:55,830
some say Dissident hurt Tedd
more than anyone else.
2115
01:30:55,830 --> 01:30:59,600
No one wanted the film to end
more than Dustin.
2116
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:02,440
His downward spiral
of heartbreak, addiction,
2117
01:31:02,440 --> 01:31:07,480
and death took him to the edge
and pushed him right off.
2118
01:31:07,740 --> 01:31:12,380
Melvin Asher, on his quest
for perfection, as an actor,
2119
01:31:12,380 --> 01:31:15,790
Melvin made it clear
that he would destroy anyone
2120
01:31:15,790 --> 01:31:17,960
who stood in his way.
2121
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:19,990
When I started,
I thought I was trying
2122
01:31:19,990 --> 01:31:22,060
to find something like
the Zodiac Killer.
2123
01:31:22,060 --> 01:31:25,430
But the longer this went on,
the more I realized this may be
2124
01:31:25,430 --> 01:31:28,430
more of
a Orient Express situation.
2125
01:31:28,430 --> 01:31:30,630
All the suspects
were isolated,
2126
01:31:30,630 --> 01:31:34,840
fed disinformation,
then weaponized with rage.
2127
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:37,710
Hollywood Killer's
cinematic fingerprint
2128
01:31:37,710 --> 01:31:39,680
is different
in each of the murders.
2129
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:41,550
We are watching
different killers
2130
01:31:41,550 --> 01:31:43,710
working from the same script.
2131
01:31:43,710 --> 01:31:46,920
But the question is,
who wrote it?
2132
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:50,550
After 20 years
of profiling serial killers,
2133
01:31:50,550 --> 01:31:52,790
there's one thing
I can tell you.
2134
01:31:52,790 --> 01:31:55,030
There's no way one suspect
2135
01:31:55,030 --> 01:31:56,930
could have killed
all three victims.
2136
01:31:56,930 --> 01:31:59,500
And there's no way
these people work together.
2137
01:31:59,500 --> 01:32:01,970
So after considering
all possibilities,
2138
01:32:01,970 --> 01:32:04,570
only one person
stood to benefit
2139
01:32:04,570 --> 01:32:06,500
from all three deaths.
2140
01:32:06,500 --> 01:32:08,870
The man who owns 20%
of the film,
2141
01:32:08,870 --> 01:32:11,640
who kept the cameras rolling
the whole time,
2142
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:14,680
and used the murders
of these three actresses
2143
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:18,180
to launch the most impactful
marketing campaign
2144
01:32:18,180 --> 01:32:20,020
in cinema history.
2145
01:32:24,050 --> 01:32:26,320
They say there's nothing
more deceptive
2146
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:27,930
than an obvious fact.
2147
01:32:27,930 --> 01:32:31,960
And the fact is
the mastermind of all of this
2148
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:36,130
was there the whole time,
hiding in plain sight.
2149
01:32:36,130 --> 01:32:38,840
I've been working on this
documentary for a long time.
2150
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:41,970
And I think when it comes out
and people see this,
2151
01:32:41,970 --> 01:32:44,610
they're going to think
that you did this on purpose.
2152
01:32:45,180 --> 01:32:46,980
You know what?
2153
01:32:46,980 --> 01:32:51,320
This world is all about
the court of public opinion.
2154
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:53,180
And I'm not interested in it.
2155
01:32:53,180 --> 01:32:55,850
I'm just interested
in creating art.
2156
01:32:55,850 --> 01:32:59,060
Hopefully, my work will be
judged by the art that I leave,
2157
01:32:59,060 --> 01:33:00,260
that I create.
2158
01:33:00,260 --> 01:33:02,530
There's no denying that.
Dissident is a masterpiece
2159
01:33:02,530 --> 01:33:05,560
and the biggest movie
of all time.
2160
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:07,660
And it changed
the film industry forever.
2161
01:33:07,660 --> 01:33:11,100
I know.
I think that's my legacy.
2162
01:33:14,070 --> 01:33:15,870
[Thomas] So I guess
the question I wanna know,
2163
01:33:15,870 --> 01:33:18,040
and I guess the question
everybody wants to know, is,
2164
01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:20,240
did you know
this was gonna happen?
2165
01:33:25,380 --> 01:33:28,420
Every great cinematic villain
has that moment
2166
01:33:28,420 --> 01:33:29,990
when they reveal their plan.
2167
01:33:29,990 --> 01:33:33,260
They do it because they know,
no matter what they say,
2168
01:33:33,260 --> 01:33:34,760
you can't stop it.
2169
01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:37,560
But Demy's plan was
to change Hollywood forever.
2170
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:39,000
And he did that.
2171
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:42,230
Give someone a mirror
and they will see themselves.
2172
01:33:42,230 --> 01:33:45,240
Give them art
and you will see their soul.
2173
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:49,610
And now his masterpiece
is complete.
2174
01:33:49,610 --> 01:33:53,280
[Christopher] We burned
through $90 million of film.
2175
01:33:53,540 --> 01:33:54,810
[Mervin] If you ruin
this movie,
2176
01:33:54,810 --> 01:33:56,010
I'll have you killed.
2177
01:33:56,010 --> 01:33:57,580
[John] What does it take
to be an actor?
2178
01:33:57,580 --> 01:33:58,820
[Ava] Do you think
I'm gonna die?
2179
01:33:58,820 --> 01:34:00,420
[Anne] I got
that murder energy.
2180
01:34:00,420 --> 01:34:03,050
Does yelling make a scene good?
2181
01:34:03,050 --> 01:34:04,660
[Audrey] The only way
you're getting out of here
2182
01:34:04,660 --> 01:34:05,860
is in a body bag.
2183
01:34:05,860 --> 01:34:07,220
[Man] There are no
second takes in life.
2184
01:34:07,220 --> 01:34:09,660
[Demy] It's unfortunate
the way it is all laid out.
2185
01:34:09,660 --> 01:34:11,560
[indistinct]
2186
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:12,930
I don't want to die.
2187
01:34:12,930 --> 01:34:15,270
[Lawrence] I miss her more
than any human being
2188
01:34:15,270 --> 01:34:16,470
that's ever lived.
2189
01:34:16,470 --> 01:34:18,140
[Christopher] They hear
that level of passion.
2190
01:34:18,140 --> 01:34:19,870
They hear that level
of commitment.
2191
01:34:19,870 --> 01:34:21,810
And they want to be
involved in it.
2192
01:34:21,810 --> 01:34:23,310
[Demy] Why do you watch this?
2193
01:34:23,310 --> 01:34:25,580
[Dustin] What I'm here for
is for that image.
2194
01:34:25,580 --> 01:34:27,880
[Christopher] Now we're going
to have to improvise.
2195
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:30,050
[Anne] You find out about
three women
2196
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starring in this
one movie all die.
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[John] You don't get news
like that every day.
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[Christopher] Making a film
requires
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the greatest sacrifice.
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[Dustin] He might be the best
director that we've ever seen.
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[Demy] And it's often
reputation.
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That's the intent
of all my work.
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01:34:43,390 --> 01:34:46,730
[Christopher] I can just do
things that I normally...
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01:34:46,730 --> 01:34:48,130
Do you know how many actresses
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have died trying
to make this film?
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01:34:50,030 --> 01:34:52,140
[Thomas] It's the greatest
story ever told.
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01:34:52,140 --> 01:34:54,710
And Hollywood didn't write it.
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[uplifting music]
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