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(kissing noises)
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(background touristy music)
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I forgot to tell you
I saw Evripidis the other day
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and he told me
he saw two guys fucking at the beach
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let me tell you about this
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(sound of waves)
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(inaudible chat)
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-I don't promise
-You don't promise
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-But is it good music?
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-No, it depends on the mood of the DJ
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-Like in skullbar?
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-It's always about... yeah
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-There is places that play good music
-No
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-Mostly
-No, no, no, I doesn't happen like that here really
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-You have to find the day
-Yes, it's how it comes, you know!
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-... so much free drugs because I can tell her all these
greek jokes, she's like.. -Yeah? ... Perfect!
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-Kallia, Kallia
-Babe, I am always watching for you, see, even in straight bars
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-The first thing I tell her is: "I am..."
- Kοντοπούτανο (A short whore) - Kοντοπούτανο
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-Yes you are a fucking κοντοπούτανο!
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-There isn't so many Greeks in Berlin...
I just had one with a huge cock -Who?
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-...the hair
-...you don't have...
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-Ok, you can't do this job (laughs)
-Do, do! Go down! Go down!
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-What am I to do? You have a perfect ass.
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-Symposium means like a gala... or like a...
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-You know?
-A gala? -Yeah...
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-Where people meet and talk about things?
-Yeah, where important people meet and talk things
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So in ancient greece...Symposium was about noble men
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and in Symposium of Plato... they are trying to...
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...catch the true meaning of love... you know?
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also they talk about gay love,
you know this is one of the
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minimum (few) written stories
about gays at the time
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because there was indeed a gay couple
an adult gay couple
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in the Symposium...which,
whose name I don't remember you know? ...but...
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it was really weird for gay men
at that time to be a couple
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because society needed a man and a woman to form a house
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and a house needed to have
consistency and continuity
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but if the house was formed by two men
it couldn't have continuity, so
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this is how capitalism and patriarchy
began to spoil the true meaning of love
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which is, you know, to mate with the one that
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helps you be yourself the best way, because
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that's what was all about, because,
this is why they let older men be with younger men
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you know, they had this kind of...
they formed this relationship of mentor pupil
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so..well...
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they went really batshit if a mentor was fucking the pupil
because they thought...
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-What? Say that again?
-they went batshit crazy if the mentor was fucking the pupil
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because... they thought that...
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passive sex... would harm the boy... in...
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...in the following way...
he would love it, like the woman loves the cock...
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-U-hum
-...so he would concetrate his life on finding cock
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-Like me!
-Like you! Actually my κοντοπούτανο!
(both laugh)
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(ambient music and waves)
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(laugs) -OK, then?
-Emmm
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-What was I saying?.... -That...if the men...
-You have a great ass
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-If the men fucked the boy, tatata
-oh yeah, yeah, yeah
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...so the boy would live the rest of his life looking for cock...
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and they didn't want that they wanted the boy to be civilized
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-civilized.... meaning...having to do with...
-a proper man...an english lord
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-an english lord.... having to with society, politics
-Noooo....no....
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-having to with society, politics etc etc
-make philosophy studies
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well philosophy was not for all, like,
what an ancient athenian citizen needed to do at least
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-...to be a proper citizen...is... attend
-to be top.... (both laugh)... to be top
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-Yes they had to be top...unfortunately
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-that's when the whole masculine top alpha male
theory began, you know? -Exactly
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that's when it started!
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yeah of course the greeks were the first femme phobic ever
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-Homophobic?
-Femme phobic, you know?
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they hate femmininity in men
because, they think it's a weakness
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like it would be weak to be like a woman,
or look like a woman, you know?
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-So, a guy dressed as a girl
-It's not good!...They say....
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Well, somebody really turned on, gay or straight, I see that, it's fun
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-from girls from girly boys?
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-...and actually it's more weird when
gay guys get turned on by, you know?
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-Yes of course
-Like I don't know, like,
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-Straight guys -Straight guys I see the point
-like yeah, it's really like normal to me
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-if they...
- like a girly boy -yeah...
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-when I make the half-drag appearances and they
-..like you -yes and they're like ohhh...
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-but when the gays... -they are like mmm!
-when the gays are like that I am wow he's special
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-you know?
-it's true because he's open minded
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-yeah you really have to be open minded -you don't have to
-in a masculine society of gays
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-no I don't think so
-oh curse Vallianatos really!
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-what is that? -I am sorry
-No, κατάρα στον Βαλλιανάτο was like
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-curse to Vallianatos, Vallianatos was
like the president of homosexuals in Greece
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-the what?
-the president of, you know like the, yeah, yeah, yeah
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well actually he is a friend of mine now,
but what he did and was bad was...
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in the 80s the basic, you know... em... radical....
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... what do I mean?...how do se say...
his argument, the bases of his arguments
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(ambient music and waves)
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...tolerance and equal rights....
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but basing it on the fact that... look we are gay men,
and we may be gay, but we are men, so
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you know? He became the whole be masculine,
masc for masc situation in Greece
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like gays that needed -be men! -that needed to
to look like straight men in order to be accepted
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which was really a bad thing because at the same point
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transvestites, trans women, girly boys, were all left out
-Inter kids -Were all left out!
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-So, only you and the guys that -wear a cap
-feel like...you know, yeah they wear a cap
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-and they think... yeah like you!
-and the muscles... like me
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-you are one of the masc for masc but you are a sissy masc
-but I like boys like this what can I do?
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-I like men men -Yeah but you don't,
you know that they are not masc masc for real
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-You know?
-I do like them a lot...
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-No, but you do know that they are not masculine, like,
do you consider yourself like that masculine? - No, not at all
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-Ok
-Not at all I consider myself half-half
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-What's that? FF?
-Half-half!
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-Yes, you are! Ok you're not,
you're more like 70-30 but ok
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-In the way I act -In the way you act
-But in the way I think
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- The way you think you are the opposite 70-30
-85 girl... yes (both laugh)
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(ambient music and waves)
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