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I want some!
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It's the Monopoly game,
only at McDonald's
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with over 50 million prizes
and supersized excitements.
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Monopoly. Do not pass go.
Go directly to McDonald's.
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If you were around back in the '90s...
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Now at McDonald's, Monopoly is more
than a game. You can play it.
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You heard it everywhere.
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The game Monopoly is back at
McDonald's bigger and better than ever.
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This year,
there's more prizes than ever.
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McDonald's ran the Monopoly game
for years.
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- Hey, collect the right game pieces.
- And win two million dollars.
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But no one knew the truth about
the game being played.
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No one.
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People everywhere are winning big.
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I've been caught stealing
once when I was five.
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I enjoy stealing.
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The McDonald's prizes could be
cars, boats,
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hundred thousand
up to the million dollars.
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When I want something
and I don't wanna pay for it.
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But from 1989 to 2001...
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Hey.
I won a Dodge Viper.
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There were almost no legitimate
winners of the high value game pieces
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in the McDonald's Monopoly game.
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Yeah. I mean
how crazy bullshit is that?
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It's mine.
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MCMILLIONS
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Jacksonville FBI
had a little bit of a reputation of
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being a sleepy hollow
retirement office.
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There was a slower attitude there.
Very undersized,
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a fraction of a Miami or an Atlanta or
something like that spread very thin.
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At the time in 2001,
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I supervised a squad of approximately
12 agents charged with investigating
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white-collar crime, bank fraud,
healthcare fraud, public corruption.
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Even before I got there, I kept hearing
about this legendary guy Rick Dent
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mid-career, senior agent
and his partner Doug Matthews,
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a newly assigned agent
to the division.
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I'm Special Agent Matthews.
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When you pull Jacksonville as an office
you're going to, what I heard was,
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"Good luck with that."
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For big cases, man,
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you're like duct taping stuff together
just because you wanna make it happen.
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That's the type of division
you were in.
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I was lucky to link up with Rick Dent
early on
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and have him as the old guard,
my training agent.
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He's a mathematician
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and has about as much personality
as this piece of wood right here.
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Very matter of fact. And so he and I
were kind of opposites there.
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I'm always looking for another
fun ride, right?
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If you guys get to Rick Dent,
I'm telling you,
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he's gonna be
"Yes. No. Don't recall."
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The filmmakers made multiple requests
to interview special agent Rick Dent.
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His response: "No."
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The priority for the FBI at that
particular juncture
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was healthcare fraud.
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A work in the one to three-year
type case, that's a long time.
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Sometimes I have that ADD thing
of the shinier object or whatever.
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So, I see this note in the corner part
of his desk and all I saw was
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McDonald's Monopoly Fraud
with a question mark.
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And I go, "What is that?"
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Because I'm bored to death with
this healthcare garbage, right?
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It's important
but I was ready to move on.
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I go, "Is this the McDonald's
Monopoly game?" He was like, "Yeah."
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Eventually,
I was gonna get around to it.
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So what he told me was that there was
an individual who had called in
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and had this story that
the Monopoly game was fixed.
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That was pretty much it.
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I go, "Give me that damn thing.
I'm gonna go check this out."
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I'm seeing the fun mirror with that.
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That's got to be more fun than
this shit that I'm looking at.
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Dent thought it was just some BS story.
So,
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"Yeah, here. Run with this
for a little bit, young man."
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I contacted the source of this call
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and the source gave me three names
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that were
previous million-dollar winners
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and I said I know this is fixed
because these people are related.
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They're on the family tree somehow
with all different names.
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And the person who's controlling this
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was this nebulous name of Uncle Jerry.
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So I come back,
I'm excited, right?
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I got the biggest case ever. I said,
"Look, all million-dollar winners.
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We need to be on this.
I think I probably said that.
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"Screw that healthcare shit we're
working." Or something like that.
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Rick, I don't know if that was it or...
I know you would never agree with that.
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But like any senior agent goes,
this happens even in today's bureau.
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The new young guy goes out and finds
a nice piece of gold.
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The old agent goes,
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"Give me that back and let me look at
this." And that's about how it was.
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Truth be told,
I was a little skeptical.
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Fast food, promotional game fraud
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was not making any list of priorities
anywhere.
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I don't think anybody had really been
seeing anything like this before.
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So there's always a risk that
I turn these guys loose on this
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and it turns out it's not true
and that I've expended resources.
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But I think we all realized
if this is true, this is big.
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What Rick did was immediately get
in touch with the US attorney's office
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and Mark Devereaux because
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if you don't have an interest from
a prosecutor, you're wasting your time.
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Devereaux was the go-to guy that
prosecuted our white-collar stuff.
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If there's a chance this thing
can be indicted, prosecuted,
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even if it's a difficult case,
he's gonna be the guy to do it
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because he's the guy behind the wheel.
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That part of the sell to get that
prosecutor on was a big a deal.
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I didn't know if Devereaux knew what
Monopoly game was. I have no idea.
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I think he was a Burger King guy.
I don't know.
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My name's Mark Devereaux,
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Assistant US Attorney
for almost 30 years.
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In this case,
it was, I don't know if this is real
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or if it's just somebody trying to get
family members somehow
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interviewed and get them in trouble.
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But lo and behold,
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when we received
a list of all the winners,
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we could show to different databases
these individuals were related.
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They had family connections
in the local Jacksonville area.
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In my world, you don't believe in
coincidences very much.
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And the chance of having numerous
family members and relatives
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win the game
was just astronomical.
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Basically, you've got less of a chance
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than you do of getting
struck by lightning in Florida.
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At that point in time,
we knew there was a problem.
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How big was that problem?
We had no idea.
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The information we were compiling is
that their contest had been infected
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years before we became aware.
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We're talking altogether hundreds of
millions of dollars of these prizes.
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Well, how much of that is fraud?
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Once Devereaux said, "I'm interested
in this," he's on for everything.
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All the strategy sessions.
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Some prosecutors, you see that space.
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Devereaux, he got no space.
Right all up in there with you.
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We start with where could there be the
opportunity to steal the game piece.
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We weren't sure if there was somebody
inside with McDonald's
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where that person was,
how many and how far that went.
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How many suspects do we have? We
have to figure out who makes the cups,
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who makes the fry box, who makes these
game pieces that you would pull off,
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how many people are in this chain.
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There's all kinds of possibilities.
This could be the driver,
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the delivery people,
people in the factory,
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or even somebody
even corporate at McDonald's.
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We didn't close out anyone.
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So there reached a point where
there was a ton of questions
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but it was very difficult
to pursue that further
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without putting some action to it.
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There wasn't a lot of, at the time, get
on the internet and do something.
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We clearly had to start somewhere
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but without compromising the case.
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So we needed a source of information
on the inside.
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There was a big decision to be made
and that was
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do we contact McDonald's
because we just ran into a dead end.
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I was sitting back going,
"Don't let them know.
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I don't want them involved yet.
Way too soon."
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But that's me and that was
just one little tiny voice.
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And I mean tiny when I say that.
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Of course there's a possibility that
somebody in McDonald's is involved
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or knows about this
and is looking the other way.
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But that was a risk we were
ultimately willing to take.
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We didn't want to alert too many people
at McDonald's.
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So, we contacted their Head of Global
Security, Rob Holm,
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and told him that
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t would probably be best for you
to come to Jacksonville.
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Didn't tell him why. Just told him,
you have to come and see us.
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That this was need-to-know only.
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Do not tell anybody you're coming
to see the FBI, to keep it quiet.
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McDonald's sent three people
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and I personally picked them up
here in Jacksonville
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and we drove over to the FBI Office
in the morning.
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Mostly, it was just welcome to
Jacksonville, this and that.
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Didn't even explain to them
what we had.
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We got to the FBI office...
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Took them up to the conference room.
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You're evaluating their body language
or whether they're twitching.
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Are they legitimate? Or is there
something else going on here?
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At that point, we did not know
if the McDonald's was involved.
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Every organization
can have a bad apple.
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This part of the investigation was
extremely boring to me.
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I don't want anything to do with this.
Call me when it's over, Rick, right?
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Which was sort of my MO a lot of times.
It's way too slow for me.
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But I was,
"No, you got to be here for that."
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And so I think I showed up.
I might've had a gold suit on.
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I had it in the closet and I thought
this is a great opportunity
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where this was like a golden fry suit,
right?
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Man, when I wore that in there,
Mark Devereaux,
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if he could've ripped it off
with his hands, he would've.
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He goes, "Are you kidding me?"
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But it had a white shirt on, right?
So I thought I was safe. I wasn't.
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Doug has quite a wardrobe
and there he is, sitting there.
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And lo and behold, he looks like
he's a manager of a McDonald's.
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They thought it was cool.
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I'm kidding.
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So, when you're there
in that meeting, very tint.
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I went up to a whiteboard and started
putting names down.
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And I ask,
"Do you recognize the names?"
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"No, sir."
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"All these people are winners
on your promotional games."
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And then, I started drawing lines of
family connections and relationships.
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Devereaux's putting around the
whiteboard there, "Did you know this?"
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Brothers, sisters, cousins,
mother-daughter, that type thing.
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This person is married to
this person's daughter
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and the last names were all different.
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And I remember it was literally
jaws on the table.
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They just could not believe it.
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Even though we had it look like our
corporate victim here of McDonald's,
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are they truly a victim?
I mean, there's always that.
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And so there was more information there
that I would've probably put out there,
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certainly enough for them to see, wow,
that, "Yeah, have an issue."
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Everybody agreed that we needed
to keep this circle of individuals
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that had this knowledge
to the absolute minimum.
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Devereaux was doing most the talking
as he usually does
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and it just seemed like
this meeting just took forever.
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Don't know if I was hungry, I might've
been hungry twice in that meeting.
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Proving this case historically,
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which is what we traditionally did
in white-collar cases
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when you rely on paperwork, you rely on
witness interviews, bank statements,
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was gonna be very difficult.
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I mean, almost monumental.
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We would, in this case,
have to think outside the box
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and then we find out that they were
on the cusp of running another game.
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It was a perfect fit because we were
looking to doing something proactively,
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essentially catch people in the act.
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We told them the only way to identify
this criminal enterprise
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was to have them run a game
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knowing that there's fraud somewhere
involved in this.
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We have this, we're going forward,
we want your help.
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If the answer is no
nothing happens.
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My name is Rob Holm, Director of
Global Security for McDonald's.
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Our brand is, throughout the world,
37,000 restaurants and 120 countries.
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So, it's a big responsibility.
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When I first learned about our Monopoly
game being compromised I was shocked.
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l was really shocked. How in the world
could have this have happened?
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More importantly, was anybody from
McDonald's a part of this?
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The FBI wanted to run the promotion
knowing that it was rigged.
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I was hesitant to do that.
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Obviously we're concerned
that if this game is rigged,
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customers are not even gonna get
a chance to win the million dollars.
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I think we were naive to think that
they would agree right then and there
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and we'd be off and running.
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These promotions were, of everything
McDonald's, one of the bright spots.
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I remember the mad cow
and at that time,
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McDonald's was struggling
with some image things.
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Concern over Britain's so called
mad cow disease spread late today
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to McDonald's restaurants.
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First mad cow and now this.
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McDonald's and you.
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McDonald's and you
Sharing good times...
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The most important thing for McDonald's
is their brand name.
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They're a family restaurant
that can be trusted.
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Their golden arches
are a part of America.
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Remember there's only one McDonald's
and there's only one you.
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They have to protect that.
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McDonald's and you.
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And so if it's on a 6:00 news,
in the national news,
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that McDonald's games are a fraud,
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they could suffer irreparable damage
to their good name.
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I wasn't in their meetings
but I would bet dollars to donuts
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that there were a few people that said,
"We can't do this, shut it off,"
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and nobody ever finds out about this.
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They wanted this big meeting.
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So we went out there to Illinois,
their headquarters...
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They got this great coffee in the
inside when you walk in their place
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and you're waiting on them,
so anyway, I know that's aside.
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At that time, we weren't sure which way
they were gonna go.
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That was a heck of a decision.
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There were so many what ifs.
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What if it's somebody
within our own company? A traitor?
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We've got a problem.
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They needed to find that out,
because if they had just shut down,
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it may have continued.
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How many people have been playing
this thing?
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They're gonna find out,
we didn't help burn this down.
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The McDonald's knew they had
a ticking bomb.
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Making that call was something that
we took seriously.
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Our worry all along was that
this could be leaked out publically.
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So, it was not an easy decision
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but ultimately, we owed it to our
customers to do the right thing
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which is to run the game one more time.
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We absolutely knew that
if we didn't get this right
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we're not getting another opportunity,
it's not like,
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"Don't worry,
we'll run this again next month."
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We knew that at best we had this
one shot to move our investigation.
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This is how we do it.
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From that point, it was literally
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"McDonald's,
tell us how this program works."
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But McDonald's make French fries
and hamburgers, and milkshakes,
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and apple pies.
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They don't make marketing.
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They outsourced it. They They hired
a marketing company, Simon Marketing.
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Simon Marketing produced and came up
with the Happy Meal toys in the '80s.
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Your kids will love McDonald's Happy
Meal. It's food and fun in a box.
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The Happy Meal is gonna increase your
business but it's for the children.
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I have a Happy Meal.
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They wanted a promotion for the adult.
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I'm Richard White,
started at Simon Marketing in 1981.
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The game Monopoly has come to life
at McDonald's.
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The Monopoly game, we designed that
game and it was running once a year.
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A two-million-dollar grand prize.
Play Monopoly.
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It was ridiculous amount of increase
in McDonald's business,
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like, 40% when we ran the game.
People love collecting.
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The Monopoly promotion is much like the
Monopoly game you would have at home.
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Customers try to match game pieces like
boardwalk and park place.
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They had their cards and it'd be full,
but that'd be missing a piece,
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and a piece and a piece, and a piece,
because those were the winning pieces.
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And there was low-value pieces that you
could win, food items, beverages,
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and some of the high value pieces, the
homes vehicles and the million dollars.
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- Boardwalk.
- Boardwalk?
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So they were after that million-dollar
winner and people like chance games.
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Any game we did for McDonald's
always increased their business.
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We actually did scrabble one year.
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Got to where
they started doing it twice a year.
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How are we gonna get our sales
back up? Let's run Monopoly again.
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This is how we do it,
all hands up in the air.
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There were very specific rules for
how you could obtain the game piece.
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One of the ways was that
you could just walk in
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and ask for free to get a game piece
because otherwise, it was gambling.
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How else can you get the game piece?
You could go in and buy a food product
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and you could get the game piece
out of some of the magazines.
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Nowhere in the game rules does it say,
I can get a game piece
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from Uncle Jerry.
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This is how we do it.
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With a significant case,
an undercover operation
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or something that involves a lot of
people, you could give it a name.
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00:24:00,893 --> 00:24:05,522
So we had a contest to come up
with a name among the squad.
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Some of the names are
Operation Unhappy Meal, Fallen Arches.
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00:24:10,110 --> 00:24:14,531
I think there were a few playing on the
Hamburglar or Stale Fries.
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I don't think we sent that one
up to headquarters for approval.
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I think calmer,
more rational minds prevailed.
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00:24:20,370 --> 00:24:23,498
The new promotional game was called,
"Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?"
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to match up with the TV show.
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Play the Who Wants to Be a Millionaire
game at McDonald's.
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If you remember, the TV show, they ask,
"Is that your final answer?"
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- Final answer?
- Final answer.
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00:24:32,299 --> 00:24:35,928
So, that ultimately became the name of
this operation.
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Game time. Kickoff has started
and we're in the game.
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At the time, I was always looking for
an undercover angle,
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even though I was being told,
"You don't want that."
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00:24:56,823 --> 00:25:01,870
I was always asked, "What about
this one? Go get the bad guy."
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I wanna burn down
the criminal enterprise.
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00:25:06,083 --> 00:25:10,504
Maybe it's the accountant in him
or this Walter Mitty complex,
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00:25:10,671 --> 00:25:13,715
but this was the opportunity to be an
undercover agent,
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even before we could articulate
the need to do any kind of undercover,
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that there was always this,
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00:25:21,098 --> 00:25:23,934
somehow, some way, we got to do
an undercover in this thing.
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Every single meeting,
I'm the one over there going,
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"Undercover investigation."
I didn't think anybody was listening.
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00:25:32,567 --> 00:25:34,653
As a matter of fact, I think a couple
of them started out with,
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"Matthews, I don't wanna hear anything
about an undercover investigation,
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just sit over there and listen."
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00:25:39,700 --> 00:25:43,120
Rick always coined that I was
the George Costanza
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like Seinfeld was being back then.
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All right, that's it for me.
Take care, everybody.
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00:25:50,043 --> 00:25:53,755
I'd come in and I'd say
"Undercover," and I'm going, I was out.
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You could let him run with things a bit
and then bring him back to reality.
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Okay. "Yeah, that's great, Doug.
By the way,
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00:26:00,345 --> 00:26:04,474
I still need that FD-302
you promised me, so I want you
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00:26:04,558 --> 00:26:08,979
to go get that done and then we'll talk
about undercover work."
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00:26:11,565 --> 00:26:14,568
So we get the call from McDonald's
that this guy, Michael Hoover,
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00:26:14,734 --> 00:26:17,737
a winner had claimed the latest prize.
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00:26:17,821 --> 00:26:21,366
So, we had the advantage of knowing
this person's name
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00:26:21,533 --> 00:26:25,495
and we're able to do a little bit of
preliminary background.
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00:26:28,039 --> 00:26:31,793
I think he worked as a pit boss
at a casino.
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00:26:33,462 --> 00:26:38,758
I guess he would've been familiar with
gambling and sweepstakes and whatnot.
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00:26:38,842 --> 00:26:41,386
Rick wanted to try to do the wiretap.
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00:26:41,470 --> 00:26:45,765
It's called a Title III investigation,
the wire investigation got up.
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And you're sitting
and you're not doing anything
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00:26:49,186 --> 00:26:51,104
and that's a boring situation for me.
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00:26:51,271 --> 00:26:54,941
I don't know how many poems I can write
on a piece of paper to get through it.
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00:26:55,108 --> 00:26:58,361
So, I said,
"Look, what do you think about this?"
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00:26:58,445 --> 00:27:02,240
When you win, you party, you're signing
up as winners to, and say,
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00:27:02,324 --> 00:27:05,952
"Hey, I'm okay with using my face
and the big check or whatever it is
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00:27:06,036 --> 00:27:07,954
for future promotions."
368
00:27:08,038 --> 00:27:14,044
So I saw that as an opportunity.
Let's use that as a platform for us.
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00:27:15,545 --> 00:27:19,132
I said, this is a great opportunity
for an undercover investigation
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where we do this TV commercial
of the winners,
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00:27:23,845 --> 00:27:25,680
like publishers clearing the house.
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00:27:25,764 --> 00:27:30,727
Jumping up and telling us how they won
these and what they did with it,
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00:27:30,810 --> 00:27:33,104
so we could do that with Hoover.
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00:27:33,271 --> 00:27:37,275
We're the production company,
that's how this could roll.
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00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,153
And he's like, "Matthews, who's gonna
do this? Are you gonna do it?
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00:27:40,237 --> 00:27:43,365
Because I'm not doing it."
And I said, "Yeah, I'm gonna do it."
377
00:27:43,531 --> 00:27:46,076
He goes,
"You don't know anything about that."
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00:27:46,159 --> 00:27:50,747
And I said, "I'm gonna be the director
because they don't do shit.
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00:27:50,830 --> 00:27:55,543
And then I'm gonna get McDonald's
to give me their public relations."
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00:27:55,710 --> 00:27:56,753
That's all I said.
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00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,880
And Rick goes, "Wait a minute.
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If we're going to do anything,
we're gonna need SAC authority."
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00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:15,146
I'm Tom Kneir.
I was the Special Agent in Charge
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00:28:15,230 --> 00:28:18,316
of the Jacksonville office of the FBI.
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00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,903
In each office,
you have the SAC for the office.
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00:28:21,987 --> 00:28:26,074
That's their Special Agent In Charge.
And then you have squads.
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00:28:26,157 --> 00:28:31,579
Most of the contact is usually
with the squad supervisor.
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00:28:31,746 --> 00:28:37,877
But this was a particular case that
I had a lot of hands-on with Chris
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00:28:38,044 --> 00:28:41,256
and everybody that worked on that case.
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00:28:41,339 --> 00:28:46,511
Doug was almost brand new at the time
and he's been given a badge, a gun,
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00:28:46,678 --> 00:28:50,932
and some credentials, and now
he's got a superman's cape, right?
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00:28:51,015 --> 00:28:53,143
And away he goes.
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00:28:53,226 --> 00:28:56,062
So the next day,
I think I was called
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00:28:56,146 --> 00:28:58,064
and he said,
"Hey, you, need to come up here."
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00:28:58,148 --> 00:29:03,361
When you hear your name,
"Matthews to the SAC's Office,"
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00:29:03,445 --> 00:29:05,905
never good. Never, ever good.
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00:29:06,072 --> 00:29:09,743
And everybody knows it's like the walk
of shame. To the elevators, whatever.
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00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:12,954
"Oh, shit, Matthews.
I hope you still have a paycheck,"
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00:29:13,121 --> 00:29:14,956
because they all know it's bad.
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00:29:16,833 --> 00:29:21,796
And so I come in and it's SAC Kneir,
CDC, the Chief Division Council,
401
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:27,051
Rick Dent, Graham, in this room
about this size. It's small.
402
00:29:29,471 --> 00:29:34,225
And they all turned at me and I go,
"I'm sorry."
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00:29:34,392 --> 00:29:37,520
That's all I said, and Rick goes,
404
00:29:37,604 --> 00:29:42,734
"You know, I think this might work.
And he is gonna do it."
405
00:29:42,817 --> 00:29:46,988
And that right then was probably,
if I was ever concerned about,
406
00:29:47,071 --> 00:29:49,324
"I don't know, man.
This might get somewhere,"
407
00:29:49,407 --> 00:29:51,201
be-careful-what-you-ask-for thing,
408
00:29:51,284 --> 00:29:54,913
maybe that was the moment for me
but it quickly passed. I was back in.
409
00:29:57,207 --> 00:30:00,543
We didn't have a lot of undercover
agents in Jacksonville.
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00:30:00,627 --> 00:30:06,007
You could call headquarters and say,
"We need a undercover agent down here."
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00:30:06,090 --> 00:30:08,676
"Well, he's not available for three
weeks," and, you know.
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00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,638
And so we'd just kind of rolled the
dice and said, "You know what...
413
00:30:11,721 --> 00:30:13,473
"Doug is a little bit of an actor
anyway,"
414
00:30:13,556 --> 00:30:17,101
so I guess that's when my hair
turned white. No.
415
00:30:17,894 --> 00:30:19,103
Being an undercover agent,
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00:30:19,187 --> 00:30:22,565
it's not just something you raise
your hand and decide to do.
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00:30:22,732 --> 00:30:27,195
There's a stringent process of school,
testing, all these things that
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00:30:27,362 --> 00:30:31,699
didn't exactly match with
Doug's concept of being undercover.
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00:30:31,783 --> 00:30:35,286
He anted to get right up there onstage.
420
00:30:39,207 --> 00:30:42,585
He was not a certified undercover.
But for a specific case
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00:30:42,752 --> 00:30:46,589
you can get what they call
SAC authority to do undercover work.
422
00:30:46,673 --> 00:30:50,635
And that's what Doug Matthews did,
just for that specific case.
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00:30:50,802 --> 00:30:52,804
My name is Janet Pellicciotti
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00:30:52,887 --> 00:30:56,391
and I was a special agent for the FBI
in the Jacksonville Division.
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00:30:56,557 --> 00:30:59,644
I was our undercover coordinator also
and I tried to get him
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00:30:59,727 --> 00:31:03,314
to become an undercover agent
because he was a natural.
427
00:31:03,398 --> 00:31:06,901
Undercover was like acting,
only it's real.
428
00:31:06,985 --> 00:31:11,864
You sit there and there's a real threat
and somebody could harm you.
429
00:31:11,948 --> 00:31:13,199
They could really harm you.
430
00:31:13,282 --> 00:31:17,120
The Jacksonville Division,
if you talk to Agent Pellicciotti,
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00:31:17,203 --> 00:31:20,123
is a small division
that didn't do a lot of this.
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00:31:20,289 --> 00:31:23,459
This is basically
your one shot to go undercover?
433
00:31:23,543 --> 00:31:27,505
Right. I got to do all the fun and not
have to go through all the bullshit.
434
00:31:27,588 --> 00:31:28,798
Yeah, just make it happen.
435
00:31:28,965 --> 00:31:32,635
Hey, Matthews, just make it happen.
I'm thinking to myself,
436
00:31:32,802 --> 00:31:36,723
one, "Oh, my God, Really?"
And then two is, "Sweet."
437
00:31:39,392 --> 00:31:42,603
He wanted to be thrown into the lion's
den and he wouldn't have gotten it
438
00:31:42,687 --> 00:31:46,232
if the SAC
did not feel he could handle himself.
439
00:31:46,399 --> 00:31:50,903
So, they got some undercovers
to act as a film crew.
440
00:31:52,447 --> 00:31:56,159
My name is Jan Garvin
and I was videographer.
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00:31:56,242 --> 00:31:59,662
When I answered his call,
he said, "You're gonna love this."
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00:31:59,746 --> 00:32:02,999
Not "Hey, Jan, how's it going?
Let's go how was the trip?"
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00:32:03,082 --> 00:32:04,375
"You're gonna love this."
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00:32:04,542 --> 00:32:09,630
And after he explained what it was,
it was like, "Okay, we can do this,"
445
00:32:09,714 --> 00:32:12,800
and "Yeah, I'm gonna love it."
446
00:32:16,053 --> 00:32:21,142
We needed to put together what appears
to be a legitimate production company,
447
00:32:21,225 --> 00:32:27,106
a video person, an audio person,
a director and an interviewer.
448
00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:30,985
I go, "Yeah, I need one just to act
like they're the lighting person."
449
00:32:31,152 --> 00:32:33,279
Nobody needs to see that you're bureau,
right?
450
00:32:33,446 --> 00:32:37,241
So give me somebody that's not stupid,
because we don't know jack, right?
451
00:32:37,408 --> 00:32:41,329
In my mind, I just thought, just get on
the stage and everything will be fine.
452
00:32:41,412 --> 00:32:43,039
You'll just roll right through.
453
00:32:47,627 --> 00:32:50,713
With any production company
and any good undercover operation
454
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:55,551
you need a good name. In this case we
came up with "Shamrock Productions."
455
00:32:58,387 --> 00:33:03,226
Which is good but I always liked
the byline, "'Cause you're just lucky."
456
00:33:03,392 --> 00:33:06,020
That was good.
457
00:33:10,775 --> 00:33:15,071
We thought about having everybody
in this undercover operation
458
00:33:15,154 --> 00:33:16,989
be FBI personnel.
459
00:33:17,156 --> 00:33:18,783
They legitimately tried to make
that happen.
460
00:33:18,866 --> 00:33:23,913
It just that the way that this scenario
had to run,
461
00:33:23,996 --> 00:33:27,250
you needed somebody
inside McDonald's
462
00:33:27,333 --> 00:33:31,879
with that background
that would be hard to fake.
463
00:33:37,593 --> 00:33:40,054
My name is Amy Murray.
464
00:33:40,638 --> 00:33:43,266
I've been with McDonald's for 22 years.
465
00:33:45,393 --> 00:33:48,312
The FBI investigation happened
17 years ago,
466
00:33:48,396 --> 00:33:50,648
and it's been years
since I've talked to anyone.
467
00:33:50,731 --> 00:33:54,151
So in fact, I don't really tell
the story that much because
468
00:33:54,235 --> 00:33:58,864
how do you drop into conversation that
you're part of an FBI investigation?
469
00:34:02,285 --> 00:34:05,955
Back in 2001, I was
in the Communications Department.
470
00:34:06,038 --> 00:34:11,043
I had only been working on Monopoly
and games for about six months.
471
00:34:12,169 --> 00:34:15,464
My boss's boss called me
into his office and he was like,
472
00:34:15,548 --> 00:34:18,259
"Amy, the FBI has contacted us.
473
00:34:18,342 --> 00:34:22,596
They've told us that the game pieces
are being stolen
474
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:28,060
and that the entire game
may be compromised by a criminal ring."
475
00:34:28,144 --> 00:34:31,605
And if you can imagine,
I was completely shocked.
476
00:34:33,607 --> 00:34:36,485
I felt sick to my stomach.
477
00:34:36,652 --> 00:34:40,156
To break that trust
was just devastating.
478
00:34:40,322 --> 00:34:42,283
How could this possibly happen?
479
00:34:42,366 --> 00:34:47,246
I started thinking back to all the
answers I heard from Monopoly winners,
480
00:34:47,329 --> 00:34:50,833
and it did seem like
they were almost scripted.
481
00:34:50,916 --> 00:34:52,209
Hindsight's 20/20
482
00:34:52,293 --> 00:34:56,672
and I started to realize that
it did seem like there was a pattern.
483
00:34:56,756 --> 00:34:59,925
You know, I used that word "pattern"
and I think that
484
00:35:00,092 --> 00:35:05,014
was when the FBI really said, "It would
be great to talk to Amy directly
485
00:35:05,181 --> 00:35:08,309
since she has so much contact
with the winners."
486
00:35:09,810 --> 00:35:13,230
For a civilian to participate
in an undercover operation
487
00:35:13,314 --> 00:35:17,151
doesn't happen much at all,
for obvious reasons, right?
488
00:35:17,234 --> 00:35:20,821
Because if something happens,
you want people who are professionals,
489
00:35:20,905 --> 00:35:23,949
that are used to being in situations
like that.
490
00:35:24,033 --> 00:35:28,245
I was concerned because I wanted to
make sure her safety and security
491
00:35:28,412 --> 00:35:33,542
was first and foremost. They said,
"Rob, don't worry. She will be safe."
492
00:35:36,086 --> 00:35:40,716
We really didn't know how far we'd have
to go to help the FBI get evidence.
493
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:45,888
And, yes there were nerves involved
and I was nervous.
494
00:35:45,971 --> 00:35:50,768
But I was all-in. I wanted to make it
right as fast as possible.
495
00:35:50,851 --> 00:35:54,605
So, I would be talking to the FBI
sometimes every day,
496
00:35:54,688 --> 00:35:55,898
sometimes twice a day.
497
00:35:56,065 --> 00:35:58,609
People were intrigued
what's this special project.
498
00:35:58,776 --> 00:36:03,155
I just couldn't talk about this, not to
my family, not to my closest friends,
499
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,032
not even to co-workers.
500
00:36:06,659 --> 00:36:11,038
We told a couple people in McDonald's
and then our team, that's it.
501
00:36:11,205 --> 00:36:14,208
Because we still didn't know,
you got to remember this investigation,
502
00:36:14,291 --> 00:36:20,256
we didn't know if anybody was
infected through corporate, or who.
503
00:36:20,339 --> 00:36:24,885
So we set up a time
for Shamrock Productions
504
00:36:24,969 --> 00:36:28,138
to go up and visit Mr. Hoover.
505
00:36:29,765 --> 00:36:32,893
He had already been in contact with Amy
506
00:36:32,977 --> 00:36:37,481
and he was very amenable to us
coming by to film this commercial
507
00:36:37,648 --> 00:36:39,191
that we were putting together.
508
00:36:39,275 --> 00:36:43,737
I'll never forget showing up at
an airport, then a white van pulled up
509
00:36:43,821 --> 00:36:45,948
with all of the FBI agents and
510
00:36:46,115 --> 00:36:49,368
they're like "Hi, Amy,"
and I was introduced to all of them.
511
00:36:49,535 --> 00:36:52,705
I really had to talk to Doug about
this is what a producer would do.
512
00:36:52,788 --> 00:36:56,083
This is what the cameraman would do.
And I was just playing myself.
513
00:36:58,210 --> 00:37:01,297
The first time we're going out there,
I think I had like a golf shirt on.
514
00:37:01,380 --> 00:37:05,384
I looked like maybe I played nine holes
or something like that.
515
00:37:05,467 --> 00:37:10,806
Amy told me a director looks like
somebody who came off the golf course.
516
00:37:10,973 --> 00:37:15,936
So, I'm excited, right? But I have
a lot of apprehension as well.
517
00:37:16,020 --> 00:37:18,063
It's the first one, you want it to be
518
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:22,151
seamless
and you don't know what to expect.
519
00:37:22,234 --> 00:37:26,488
As an agent you wanna carry a gun
and wear a bulletproof vest.
520
00:37:26,655 --> 00:37:30,492
But in an undercover operation,
that may be too much risk.
521
00:37:30,659 --> 00:37:32,828
You wear an ankle holster and then
522
00:37:32,911 --> 00:37:36,165
you sit down at a chair
and somebody sees it, so.
523
00:37:36,332 --> 00:37:39,585
You had that little extra antenna
going up
524
00:37:39,668 --> 00:37:43,297
to make sure you don't say anything
or do anything
525
00:37:43,380 --> 00:37:47,634
that would trigger the suspect to look
at you crossways and go, "Hmm."
526
00:37:49,136 --> 00:37:50,846
I had butterflies in my stomach.
527
00:37:50,929 --> 00:37:54,266
I was nervous about not wrecking
the investigation.
528
00:37:54,350 --> 00:37:59,229
I wanted to make sure I did a good job,
that I wasn't causing any suspicion.
529
00:37:59,396 --> 00:38:03,025
It's an adrenaline
that happens through your system.
530
00:38:03,108 --> 00:38:06,570
You feel fully awake and alive.
531
00:38:06,653 --> 00:38:08,781
She was very nervous and I'm like,
532
00:38:08,947 --> 00:38:12,076
"You talk to these people all the time,
right?" "Yeah, but not like this."
533
00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:13,786
And I go, "There's not like this.
534
00:38:13,952 --> 00:38:16,580
You don't know anything
about our investigation.
535
00:38:16,663 --> 00:38:18,791
They don't, either,
so forget about that."
536
00:38:18,874 --> 00:38:21,752
She's laughing, like, how am I
supposed to forget about that, right?
537
00:38:21,919 --> 00:38:25,547
I said, "You got to forget about that
and just do what you normally do."
538
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,718
We're very close to the exit.
We know where it is.
539
00:38:29,885 --> 00:38:34,181
Just stay as close as you can
because I don't know what to expect.
540
00:38:34,264 --> 00:38:36,600
Any civilian that you bring in,
you're gonna tell them,
541
00:38:36,683 --> 00:38:40,145
"We have a team.
There's always a team outside.
542
00:38:42,231 --> 00:38:45,109
If anything happens,
they'll be there immediately
543
00:38:45,275 --> 00:38:47,611
to make sure you're safe and secure."
544
00:38:48,445 --> 00:38:50,739
We have distress calls,
things like that.
545
00:38:50,823 --> 00:38:53,951
So, if the undercover agent
says a certain word,
546
00:38:54,117 --> 00:38:56,453
"I feel like
a terrible flu is coming on,"
547
00:38:56,620 --> 00:38:59,832
something's really gone wrong,
we got a problem.
548
00:38:59,915 --> 00:39:03,585
And so they went to his home,
549
00:39:03,669 --> 00:39:05,212
they came in...
550
00:39:06,421 --> 00:39:10,133
And so you have the FBI agents,
unbeknownst to Mr. Hoover,
551
00:39:10,217 --> 00:39:12,719
with the cameras on their shoulder.
552
00:39:12,803 --> 00:39:18,058
If we were set up to record anything,
we would hit the record button.
553
00:39:18,141 --> 00:39:20,519
You never know
what you're gonna capture.
554
00:39:20,602 --> 00:39:23,105
Always gold when they don't know it.
555
00:39:23,188 --> 00:39:28,277
The greatest thing in the world about
all of this is we had a camera rolling.
556
00:39:33,323 --> 00:39:36,994
- Would you take that to your bank?
- What was that?
557
00:39:37,077 --> 00:39:39,037
You think you could take that
to your local bank to cash?
558
00:39:39,121 --> 00:39:41,248
I doubt it. I doubt it.
559
00:39:41,331 --> 00:39:43,292
And suddenly one of you says,
"We'll do this at the end".
560
00:39:43,375 --> 00:39:46,878
Amy,
she worked her McDonald's magic
561
00:39:46,962 --> 00:39:52,050
and she had all this confetti popper
stuff and the big check.
562
00:39:52,217 --> 00:39:55,554
We never know, whenever we get a call
from Amy where we're gonna...
563
00:39:55,637 --> 00:39:59,266
It's always good to find out where she
always takes us to a different area.
564
00:39:59,349 --> 00:40:01,059
A good surprise.
565
00:40:01,143 --> 00:40:03,770
Yeah, that's definitely childproof.
566
00:40:03,854 --> 00:40:05,063
I mean, it's a big check.
567
00:40:05,230 --> 00:40:07,357
I think it was taller than her,
actually.
568
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:11,403
Everything had to seem very natural.
569
00:40:11,570 --> 00:40:14,364
It had to seem like we had done this
a million times.
570
00:40:14,531 --> 00:40:18,410
We made sure that I always called
Doug Doug and not Agent Matthews
571
00:40:18,493 --> 00:40:20,579
because it would have been really bad
if suddenly I was like,
572
00:40:20,662 --> 00:40:22,372
"Agent Matthews, can you go do this?"
573
00:40:22,539 --> 00:40:25,667
Amy was really nervous, the whole time.
574
00:40:27,127 --> 00:40:30,047
Which is good.
It was healthy to be that way
575
00:40:30,130 --> 00:40:33,216
because I told her I was, too,
and I wasn't lying to her.
576
00:40:33,383 --> 00:40:37,679
She's used to this, I'm not, even
though I say, "Oh, I got this," right?
577
00:40:37,846 --> 00:40:42,059
She had no idea that I had never done
this before but I loved it.
578
00:40:42,142 --> 00:40:45,354
- There's his Monopoly.
- All right.
579
00:40:45,437 --> 00:40:46,897
It's got to be sinking in now.
580
00:40:46,980 --> 00:40:51,109
Now it's official, Ronald McDonald,
the official signature.
581
00:40:51,193 --> 00:40:55,781
Doug Matthews could talk to a wall
and get it to respond.
582
00:40:55,864 --> 00:40:59,576
He's got that little bit of a southern
drawl and everybody sort of likes him.
583
00:40:59,743 --> 00:41:01,870
He's like, "Gosh, darn, you won."
584
00:41:02,996 --> 00:41:04,748
There was no risk that
somebody's gonna think,
585
00:41:04,831 --> 00:41:08,835
"Well, this guy is an FBI agent
and this is an undercover operation."
586
00:41:08,919 --> 00:41:13,382
No FBI agent laughs
as much as this guy does.
587
00:41:14,132 --> 00:41:17,803
I go, "Wow, this really looks like
it's had a woman's touch here.
588
00:41:17,886 --> 00:41:22,015
It was all this plaid, just this shit,
589
00:41:22,849 --> 00:41:26,103
which is probably why I did it.
590
00:41:26,269 --> 00:41:31,441
And I said all kinds of stuff, again...
We need to move this out,
591
00:41:31,525 --> 00:41:34,277
make everybody seem real comfortable
with uncomfortable things
592
00:41:34,361 --> 00:41:36,238
which is what I'm good at.
593
00:41:39,074 --> 00:41:42,327
Tell us the story about how you won at
the Monopoly Game,
594
00:41:42,410 --> 00:41:43,453
in your own words.
595
00:41:43,537 --> 00:41:45,080
Okay.
596
00:41:46,665 --> 00:41:49,334
They started out pretty peaceful,
it was a day off
597
00:41:49,501 --> 00:41:51,378
and I went to the beach for a while.
598
00:41:51,461 --> 00:41:54,881
I ended up actually falling asleep
at the beach.
599
00:41:54,965 --> 00:41:59,761
And when I woke up, the wind had come
up and was covered with sand,
600
00:41:59,845 --> 00:42:03,640
not a lot, but a little bit of sand.
I picked up my belongings
601
00:42:03,723 --> 00:42:07,144
and I headed down to the water there
to wash my legs off with the sand
602
00:42:07,227 --> 00:42:10,730
and I was a little klutzy.
603
00:42:10,814 --> 00:42:17,112
The People Magazine and my towel fell
out of the backpack into the water,
604
00:42:17,195 --> 00:42:22,367
and got all wet. I ended up throwing
those away on the way to the car.
605
00:42:22,450 --> 00:42:28,748
After I was coming home I decided to
stop and get provisions for dinner.
606
00:42:28,832 --> 00:42:33,378
So I stopped at the McQuade's
Supermarket and picked up a few things
607
00:42:33,461 --> 00:42:36,631
and I had never got a chance to read
the magazine.
608
00:42:36,715 --> 00:42:40,385
And it was right there at the checkout
stand, so I bought one.
609
00:42:40,468 --> 00:42:46,558
When I got home I was leafing through it.
We had the McDonald's Monopoly Game
610
00:42:46,641 --> 00:42:51,229
and it had instant prize winners on it,
or they had the quick pick,
611
00:42:51,313 --> 00:42:54,065
I don't know what they're called.
612
00:42:54,149 --> 00:42:57,319
And the first one I peeled off
I believe was Pennsylvania Avenue,
613
00:42:57,402 --> 00:43:01,031
the second one I peeled off was
a million-dollar instant prize winner.
614
00:43:01,114 --> 00:43:06,995
It was like, "Wow is this for real?"
And then I followed the directions
615
00:43:07,078 --> 00:43:11,916
and made the calls and talked
to the people and it was for real.
616
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,004
Amy is just used to getting the story,
but for me I'm putting legs to that.
617
00:43:16,087 --> 00:43:19,466
And he was mentioning
some grocery store and so I go,
618
00:43:19,549 --> 00:43:21,051
"Which one?
619
00:43:21,134 --> 00:43:24,846
Is it right here? Hey, can you take us
there?" He goes, "Sure."
620
00:43:25,013 --> 00:43:27,307
He's feeding off the energy part.
621
00:43:27,390 --> 00:43:29,768
No, wasn't about to stop that,
that was great.
622
00:43:29,934 --> 00:43:31,686
It's a field trip, right?
623
00:43:33,229 --> 00:43:35,649
I'm getting calls.
"What the fuck are you doing?
624
00:43:35,732 --> 00:43:39,444
I mean, why-what, this is like,
are you adlibbing?"
625
00:43:39,527 --> 00:43:41,780
And I'd go, "Hey, Jan,"
my camera guy, right?
626
00:43:41,946 --> 00:43:44,199
"Can you get this?"
"Yeah, I can get it."
627
00:43:47,702 --> 00:43:52,582
Doug struck me as one of the new breed
of agents who thinks outside the box
628
00:43:52,665 --> 00:43:57,837
if you will,
but he was gung-ho from the get-go.
629
00:43:59,089 --> 00:44:05,428
This is where I got the People Magazine
and inside we had the Monopoly Game
630
00:44:05,512 --> 00:44:08,848
with the instant one-million-dollar
winner, and it was great,
631
00:44:08,932 --> 00:44:11,267
it's fantastic.
632
00:44:11,351 --> 00:44:12,769
- Great.
- Got it, okay.
633
00:44:12,936 --> 00:44:16,022
He's telling us how he won the prize,
all the BS...
634
00:44:16,189 --> 00:44:20,235
His was a magazine-type thing
which at the time I didn't even know.
635
00:44:20,318 --> 00:44:22,654
I go, "Really? I thought you got this
off the packages."
636
00:44:22,821 --> 00:44:26,574
And Amy's like, "Did you read any of
that shit I sent you," right?
637
00:44:26,658 --> 00:44:30,995
And I go, "Of course I did.
Which, I may have glossed over."
638
00:44:31,079 --> 00:44:34,165
So I go, "Hey, what'd you do
with the money?" Why?
639
00:44:34,249 --> 00:44:36,584
Because I wanna go seize that stuff,
right?
640
00:44:36,668 --> 00:44:39,170
And he's like, "I'm buying a boat."
And so I go,
641
00:44:39,337 --> 00:44:41,923
"What name would you have
on the back of your boat?"
642
00:44:42,006 --> 00:44:44,968
And he was like, "Ruthless Scoundrel."
643
00:44:45,135 --> 00:44:49,973
- One, two, three.
- Thanks, McDonald's. Hey.
644
00:44:51,975 --> 00:44:56,521
So I'm reenacting that. And I go,
"So, Michael, you were on the beach?"
645
00:44:56,688 --> 00:44:59,649
"Yes, and it's right here,
it's this beach," and I go,
646
00:44:59,732 --> 00:45:01,693
"Really? Take us to it."
647
00:45:01,776 --> 00:45:04,779
And I didn't care what that meant
to my camera guy, right? He's like,
648
00:45:04,946 --> 00:45:09,284
"Are you kidding me?
I got to the damn beach?"
649
00:45:09,367 --> 00:45:14,247
There's always somebody that could
respond tactically if needed.
650
00:45:14,330 --> 00:45:19,752
But if something went south between
the time something went south
651
00:45:19,836 --> 00:45:23,423
and the time they got there...
652
00:45:26,843 --> 00:45:28,845
Don't do anything stupid.
653
00:45:30,722 --> 00:45:35,226
Doug was a professional
but he also did like to have fun.
654
00:45:35,393 --> 00:45:38,521
He loved to tease me
and kept me on my toes.
655
00:45:38,688 --> 00:45:40,481
This is what makes my fun meter go.
656
00:45:40,648 --> 00:45:42,692
Amy's back there going, "Look at these
shoes I have,"
657
00:45:42,775 --> 00:45:44,277
and I'm not looking at shit like that,
I said,
658
00:45:44,444 --> 00:45:46,905
"Take your high heels, why are you
wearing high heels anyway?"
659
00:45:46,988 --> 00:45:50,950
She was getting on to me about,
660
00:45:51,034 --> 00:45:53,244
"Hey, can you plan this better,"
but I didn't know.
661
00:45:53,411 --> 00:45:56,581
Can you get enough sound if he tells
the story one more time?
662
00:45:56,664 --> 00:46:00,543
- Do you need it? We can try it.
- Okay.
663
00:46:00,627 --> 00:46:02,629
Anybody noticing you yet?
664
00:46:02,712 --> 00:46:05,131
- Not really.
- Good.
665
00:46:05,214 --> 00:46:07,967
Yeah. You keep people from grabbing
this check about right now.
666
00:46:08,051 --> 00:46:11,763
When Doug's at the house
it was a controlled environment.
667
00:46:11,846 --> 00:46:14,724
When you're out in the real world,
there's nothing controlled.
668
00:46:14,807 --> 00:46:20,688
You're always wary, the operation and
the case could be uncompromised.
669
00:46:20,772 --> 00:46:23,733
This is where I lost
my People Magazine.
670
00:46:23,816 --> 00:46:26,819
I'm glad that after the beach I stopped
and picked up another one
671
00:46:26,903 --> 00:46:30,740
because when I did,
I found the McDonald's Monopoly Game,
672
00:46:30,823 --> 00:46:33,284
one-million-dollar
instant prize winner.
673
00:46:33,368 --> 00:46:35,078
All right, great. Okay. Good.
674
00:46:35,161 --> 00:46:38,748
Obviously
this was Doug's very first undercover
675
00:46:38,831 --> 00:46:40,792
and so you'd wanna try to
676
00:46:40,958 --> 00:46:46,005
keep him under control,
keep him sedated, so to speak.
677
00:46:46,089 --> 00:46:47,256
They don't make it easy.
678
00:46:47,340 --> 00:46:50,635
So, I'm like, "Man I got plenty,
I got enough."
679
00:46:50,802 --> 00:46:54,972
Can I do a couple of artsy things,
okay, real quick?
680
00:46:55,682 --> 00:46:57,767
Hey.
681
00:46:57,850 --> 00:47:00,937
He'd stand there smiling
and you're doing all this artsy stuff,
682
00:47:01,020 --> 00:47:06,943
and then some kid ran up and grabbed
the check to, to run away with it.
683
00:47:08,152 --> 00:47:11,280
I'm gonna let this evidence just walk?
No way.
684
00:47:11,447 --> 00:47:13,449
And I'm tracking down the beach.
685
00:47:13,533 --> 00:47:16,744
And it's like, "Dude, it's not real."
686
00:47:16,911 --> 00:47:17,995
That was bad news.
687
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:22,041
That's not a good problem to have
being an undercover agent.
688
00:47:22,125 --> 00:47:23,709
And this guy is hammered,
689
00:47:23,793 --> 00:47:28,423
fortunately he's running like
in a zigzag so it's easy to catch.
690
00:47:28,506 --> 00:47:32,093
This kid, he was like full of sand
in his mouth and crap and I'm like,
691
00:47:32,260 --> 00:47:37,181
"Dude, you see these, I don't know
what I'm gonna do with all this sand."
692
00:47:37,265 --> 00:47:42,311
And he's like,
"Man, I just saw all those zeroes
693
00:47:42,395 --> 00:47:45,398
and thought I'm just gonna go take it."
694
00:47:45,565 --> 00:47:49,861
And I can't even remember where he
wounded off but we never saw him again.
695
00:47:51,612 --> 00:47:56,159
Sometimes on a case
being lucky is better than being good.
696
00:47:56,325 --> 00:47:58,619
No Asics, no nothing,
697
00:47:58,703 --> 00:48:02,206
and we still caught that dude because
he was hammered and we were not.
698
00:48:02,373 --> 00:48:04,375
And we did get the check back.
699
00:48:13,092 --> 00:48:16,387
It worked great,
Amy was phenomenal
700
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:20,183
and I'm like,
"Man, undercover is awesome."
701
00:48:25,021 --> 00:48:30,568
Turned out it tickled our wire up.
Michael Hoover would be on the phones
702
00:48:30,735 --> 00:48:33,154
which is great because then we were
listening to that, recording it.
703
00:48:33,321 --> 00:48:36,949
Again, it got him comfortable,
it actually worked, all that works.
704
00:48:41,704 --> 00:48:46,334
At that time I was here in Jacksonville
in the, what we call, wire room.
705
00:48:46,417 --> 00:48:50,504
We were listening in for
what we hoped to be a telephone call
706
00:48:50,588 --> 00:48:52,840
to this Uncle Jerry.
707
00:48:52,924 --> 00:48:54,342
And immediately
708
00:48:54,425 --> 00:48:59,639
there's a phone call by Mr. Hoover to
Mr. Glomb down in South Florida.
709
00:49:00,932 --> 00:49:06,062
We were up on three or four phones.
One was this guy, Andrew Glomb.
710
00:49:06,145 --> 00:49:10,149
Andrew Glomb was the guy
with a checkered past.
711
00:49:10,316 --> 00:49:13,694
He had previously convicted for
some drug charges on the federal side
712
00:49:13,778 --> 00:49:15,947
with the DEA.
713
00:49:16,030 --> 00:49:19,533
He had been in a drug trafficking
thing. He was a fugitive for a while,
714
00:49:19,617 --> 00:49:22,745
eventually got arrested
and he did some time.
715
00:49:23,871 --> 00:49:27,458
And so, Mr. Hoover had called
Mr. Glomb.
716
00:49:27,541 --> 00:49:33,756
Ring, ring. Ring, ring.
"Hello, yeah, Andy." That's Andy Glomb.
717
00:49:33,839 --> 00:49:36,842
"Andy, they were here,
they believed everything
718
00:49:36,926 --> 00:49:41,472
I told them about winning the ticket
on that People Magazine."
719
00:49:41,555 --> 00:49:44,225
"And I was telling them I did this,
and I did that."
720
00:49:44,392 --> 00:49:48,062
And at the very same time
I'm on my cell phone
721
00:49:48,229 --> 00:49:52,983
talking to Doug Matthews
and telling him, "Listen to this."
722
00:49:53,067 --> 00:49:57,947
The feeling from him on the phone call
was "Man, I got them snowed,"
723
00:49:58,030 --> 00:50:03,035
it was that, l mean, it was perfect,
exactly what you're after.
724
00:50:03,202 --> 00:50:05,162
He's talking,
"Man, you're not gonna believe it.
725
00:50:05,246 --> 00:50:08,124
This director asked me
about the name of my boat.
726
00:50:08,207 --> 00:50:10,000
I said 'Ruthless Scoundrel."'
727
00:50:10,167 --> 00:50:14,714
And they're just laughing on the phone
how funny that was to them
728
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:19,009
because they knew they had lied and
had stolen this money from McDonald's.
729
00:50:19,176 --> 00:50:22,805
In that call effectively what he's
doing is confirming
730
00:50:22,972 --> 00:50:26,726
beyond any doubt
that he didn't win it.
731
00:50:29,979 --> 00:50:33,649
It just doesn't get any better
than that. It's like high fives.
732
00:50:33,733 --> 00:50:36,610
That was why you get up
on these wiretaps.
733
00:50:36,777 --> 00:50:38,487
So we're hearing how they did it.
734
00:50:42,199 --> 00:50:45,619
At the time,
we didn't know how big this was.
735
00:50:45,703 --> 00:50:48,372
We knew of some,
but we didn't know it all.
736
00:50:48,456 --> 00:50:52,001
It was amazing to me
how little we did know.
737
00:51:06,891 --> 00:51:09,477
The spider web of all,
738
00:51:09,643 --> 00:51:13,314
we had this Uncle Jerry,
everything was very general, nebulous.
739
00:51:13,397 --> 00:51:16,275
We still didn't know,
you got to remember,
740
00:51:16,442 --> 00:51:20,362
who this Jerry person was,
if there even was a Jerry.
741
00:51:20,446 --> 00:51:24,992
So, all of the newer agents, we were on
the wiretaps to find out more
742
00:51:25,075 --> 00:51:27,453
about the depths of this scheme.
743
00:51:27,536 --> 00:51:30,080
Back then I was a new agent
744
00:51:30,247 --> 00:51:34,627
and my first assignment when I was
brought in was to work the wire.
745
00:51:35,461 --> 00:51:38,464
My Title III has to be monitored
full time, 24/7.
746
00:51:38,547 --> 00:51:43,093
You hear the call, grab your headset,
you put it on, you listen to the call.
747
00:51:43,177 --> 00:51:45,346
We're listening in the wire room
748
00:51:45,512 --> 00:51:49,683
and I'm hearing the name Uncle Jerry
thrown around on the phone.
749
00:51:49,767 --> 00:51:55,105
"Uncle Jerry, Uncle Jerry. You don't
wanna make Uncle Jerry upset."
750
00:51:55,189 --> 00:51:59,401
I do remember clearly feeling like
I was in New York
751
00:51:59,485 --> 00:52:03,781
and I was listening to a mobster
talking about running his mafia empire,
752
00:52:03,864 --> 00:52:07,493
some mafia don, because that's kind of
how this guy came off.
753
00:52:09,036 --> 00:52:13,207
So we had to find Uncle Jerry.
I mean, how do you do that?
754
00:52:19,922 --> 00:52:25,719
We did an analysis of phone records
from past winners.
755
00:52:25,803 --> 00:52:28,055
You look for that common number.
756
00:52:28,222 --> 00:52:31,016
We knew when they won the prizes,
what year,
757
00:52:31,100 --> 00:52:36,689
and we could cord it off to a month
so we backed up to and went forward to.
758
00:52:39,900 --> 00:52:46,448
We culled the phone numbers coming in
and going out for this period of time.
759
00:52:50,536 --> 00:52:54,915
Lo and behold, each of their phone
numbers were calling common numbers.
760
00:52:55,082 --> 00:52:58,794
We saw the activity heavy coming in
761
00:52:58,877 --> 00:53:02,589
right before
the prize was awarded or claimed,
762
00:53:02,673 --> 00:53:05,300
and then heavy right after it,
and then nothing.
763
00:53:05,384 --> 00:53:08,554
And then none of them were related,
they didn't know each other.
764
00:53:08,637 --> 00:53:10,889
All were hitting that number.
765
00:53:18,188 --> 00:53:21,734
All these phone calls
include one person.
766
00:53:23,652 --> 00:53:28,240
Jerome Jacobson,
also known as
767
00:53:28,323 --> 00:53:33,662
Jerry Jacobson, the absolute
head of security for Simon Marketing.
70220
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