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We will begin the session now.
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You will remain aware
of everything that goes on.
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Okay.
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We're going to find
an incident in your life
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You have
an exact record of.
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Then by sending you through it
at the time it happened,
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We're going
to reduce it.
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We will reduce the pain.
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Go to the beginning
of that incident.
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Tell me what's happening.
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Well, these things
get all so...
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I joined in 198--
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It was a bunch of young kids,
like i was young...
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We were all very heated,
very excited about this.
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Can you recall a time
when you were happy?
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I think the first time i saw
hubbard, and i was in awe...
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We did, because you thought
we were doing good.
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I mean, so you had
some gratification.
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I felt a tremendous amount
of relief.
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I got the answers
for everything
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Within the religion.
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What are you most afraid of?
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It was dark.
3:00 in the morning,
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There's a knock
on the hotel-room door.
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Stop! I'll say whatever
you want,
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I'll write up anything
that you want.
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I flipped out.
I started punching holes
in the walls.
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Things didn't seem quite right.
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And you just feel
so foolish at that point.
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Do you have a secret
you're afraid i'll find out?
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Yes. Yes.
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Go to the beginning
of that incident.
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Okay, all right.
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Tell me about it.
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I was 21 years old,
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Living in london,
ontario, canada.
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I wanted to be
a documentary filmmaker.
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And someone had told me
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About what they called--
they said, "there's this cult
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"in new york
called scientology,"
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Which i'd never heard of.
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"and if you give them
all your money,
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"they'll make anything
possible in your life."
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And about six months later,
i was walking down the street.
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This guy was there
selling books.
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And i realized
they were all the same book--
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"dianetics,"
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Which again,
i had never heard of.
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He handed me one
and asked me to look at it.
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He was talking.
I wasn't really listening
to him.
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I opened the cover
and it said--
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Stamped on the inside page,
it said "church of scientology."
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And i said,
"take me there."
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All right.
All right, here we go.
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I'm not a great multitasker.
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You know, and if i feel
like doing something,
that's what i do.
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And, uh,
i was into this shit,
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And i was becoming
an auditor.
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Like, i was in scientology
probably four months,
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And i had done more
than john travolta had done,
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And he'd been there
for 85 years or some shit.
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My agents called, you know,
"you got an audition."
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"eh, fuck it, i don't really--"
you know what i mean?
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I was on--
i'm on a spiritual adventure,
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And this was like, "whoa,
this is an interesting road."
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You know?
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So, uh,
what was the question?
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So tell me,
how was it you first
got involved in scientology?
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Well, i was introduced to it
by some friends.
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I don't know if they said it
or if it was just talked about
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By others that
they had super powers.
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And i-- i was, like,
really young,
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But i thought, "i'd like
to have super powers!"
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But also i had done
so much...
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Political-social work.
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So this really looked like--
that it was a solution
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To handling a lot
of the world's problems.
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Instead of trying
to handle things en masse,
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You could deal with it
person by person,
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Make each person better,
and thus the world would
get better and surer.
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Well, thank you very much,
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And welcome
to our whole new world.
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It's a world where
the operative phrase reads...
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"exceeding all expectations,
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"transcending all parameters,
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"extending the boundaries
beyond any boundary,
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"not to mention
godspeed, lightning speed,
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"and a quantum leap
in sheer rapidity of progress
up the bridge."
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We're out to make every life
extraordinary.
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And if by chance
it ever seems laborious
or a sacrifice,
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Then you are looking
at the offramps instead
of the highway.
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You are missing
the signpost up ahead,
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The one that reads,
"next stop, infinity."
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Probably my favorite concept
of scientology
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Is a world
without criminality,
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A world without war,
and a world without insanity.
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And i know
of no other group
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That their goals
are that clear.
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Look, i don't--
you name me another philosophy,
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Religion, or technology
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That one of its main goals--
besides the three
i mentioned earlier--
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Where joy
is the operative concept.
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These are
the times now, people.
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Okay? These are the times
we will all remember.
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Were you there?
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What did you do?
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So what do you say?
Can we clean this place up?
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Yeah!
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Okay.
Because we're counting on you.
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okay?
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All right?
To lrh!
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Hip-hip--
Hooray!
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Hip-hip--
Hooray!
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Hip-hip--
Hooray!
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Scientology is such a subject
of fascination for people.
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How did you get engaged
in the story?
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Well, i've always
been interested in religions
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And why people believe
one idea rather than another.
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I've studied jonestown,
radical islam.
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They're oftentimes
good-hearted people--
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Idealistic, but full of
a kind of crushing certainty
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That eliminates doubt.
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You know, my goal
wasn't to write an exposé.
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It was simply
to understand scientology,
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Trying to understand
what people get out of it.
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You know, why do they
go into it in the first place?
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I was
interested in intelligent
and skeptical people
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Who are drawn
into a belief system
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And wind up acting
on those beliefs
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In ways they never
thought they would.
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The church of scientology
turned out to be
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Two offices
above a woolworth's store.
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He asked me,
"what's ruining your life?"
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I said,
"oh, i'm in love.
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"i'm in love with this woman.
It's impossible.
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"i don't know what to do.
I need some help."
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And he said,
"we can help you with that."
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I said, "really?"
"yes."
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And i ran home and got her,
and i said, "we have to
sign up for this.
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"it sounds really good.
It could save
our relationship."
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So we both signed up
the next day to do a course,
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Which i think cost $50.
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The thing that
absolutely got me
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And stayed with me forever
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Was the very first thing
i read when you open
the course pack,
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And it said--
i'm paraphrasing--
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"don't believe any of this.
If it works for you, great.
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"if it doesn't, discard it."
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I was troubled by the fact
that they called it a religion,
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But i figured,
"oh, it's some tax scam.
It's fine with me.
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"i don't really care about that
as long as it works."
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The first exercise,
after you do all this reading
and stuff like that,
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Is this thing called
o-t-t-r-0,
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Which is basically,
you stand-- you sit
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Just like this,
eyes closed,
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Three feet away
from somebody who's
doing the same thing,
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And you basically
confront them.
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You know?
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And in scientology lingo,
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I went exterior.
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Exteriorizing
is what they call it.
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You know,
you leave your body.
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So it was a... Transcendent
experience for me.,
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And that made me go,
"holy fucking shit,
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"this is-- wow."
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I was reading books,
going to lectures,
and going to things--
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Different events
at the mission-- at the local
santa clara mission.
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And then i knew
i wanted to join the sea org
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And get really involved
as soon as i could,
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Which would
be right out of high school.
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Sea org
is the most fraternal order
of the organization.
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It's people who really,
really believe in the cause
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And sign
a billion-year contract,
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Which i did when i was--
you know, as soon as i could.
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I left skid marks getting
to that billion-year contract.
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You thought
you were doing something good,
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To have a positive effect
on all of mankind.
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That's what howard says.
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Everything you do for endless
trillions of years
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Depends on what you do
here and now within
scientology.
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I began to ask this question,
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"what is man?"
and i found, oddly enough,
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That nobody could tell me
what man was.
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What did he consist of?
Where was he going?
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What was he doing?
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To really know life,
you've got to be part of life.
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You must get down and look.
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You must get into
the nooks and crannies
of existence,
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The-- you have to rub elbows
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With all kinds
and types of men
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Before you can finally
establish what he is.
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And you in fact did this?
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Yes, i've slept
with bandits in mongolia,
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And i've hunted
with, uh,
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Pygmies in the philippines.
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Matter of fact,
i've studied 21 different
primitive races,
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Including the white race.
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And my conclusions were
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That man is
a spiritual being
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That was pulled down
to the material,
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The fleshly interests,
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To an interplay in life
that was, in fact,
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Too great for him
to confront.
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And i concluded, finally,
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That he needed a hand.
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To understand scientology,
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You have to understand
the life and mind
of its inventor,
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L. Ron hubbard.
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Hubbard was
a prolific writer.
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He actually holds
the "guinness book
of world records"
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For the number of books
published--
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More than 1,000.
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Hubbard got his start
in the depression writing
pulp fiction,
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Named for
the cheap paper used.
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Writers were paid
a penny a word,
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So hey had to write a lot
to make money.
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Hubbard hammered away
so fast
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On long rolls
of butcher paper
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That he used to drop sweat
on his typewriter.
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Hubbard's career took off
when he began to write
for a magazine
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Called "astounding
science fiction."
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Along with authors
like isaac asimov
and robert heinlein,
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Hubbard wrote stories
with a sense of mission--
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To get man to the stars.
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He found his true métier
in science fiction.
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And a lot of
what scientology is
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He had previously written about
in the form
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Of his science fiction.
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He had the ability
to fabricate these
amazing tales,
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And he transported
those imaginary stories
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Into his theology.
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After pearl harbor,
hubbard took command
of a sub chaser,
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But he was still a man
prone to invention.
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He would write that he sunk
two japanese subs,
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But, in fact,
just off the coast of oregon,
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He opened fire on what
turned out to be a log
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And dropped most of
his depth chargers
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On underwater
magnetic rocks.
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When he accidentally shelled
a mexican island,
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He was relieved
of his command.
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After the war,
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Hubbard ended up
in los angeles
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Where he settled in
with a small group
of seekers and visionaries.
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A guy named jack parsons,
a fascinating man,
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Was one of the founders
of the jet-propulsion
laboratory.
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And there's actually
a crater on the moon
named after jack.
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He was a significant
scientific figure,
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But he was also
the head honcho
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In this black magic cult.
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It was called the o.T.O.,
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Or the ordo templi orientis.
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They followed the teachings
of aleister crowley,
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A famous sexual magic figure
in england.
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Parsons had a mansion
in pasadena.
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They would have ceremonies,
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And they were seeking
some sort of goddess figure
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That he could impregnate
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In order to create
the antichrist.
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Hubbard moved in
and became parsons' assistant.
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One night,
this beautiful redhead
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Named marjorie cameron
showed up at the door.
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She was perfectly
willing to engage
in this sexual ritual
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In order, supposedly,
to produce the antichrist.
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She and jack
eventually got married.
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That happened after hubbard
ran off with jack's girlfriend,
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Sara northrup.
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Scientology
and hubbard
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Would later refuse
to acknowledge
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His relationship
with sara.
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But we uncovered
sara's own recollections
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Of her time with hubbard.
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He was 13 years older
than i was.
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I thought
he was a great war hero,
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A captain of a ship
that had been downed
in the pacific.
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And he was weeks
on a raft,
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And he'd been blinded
by the sun,
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And his back
had been broken.
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All these things
were complete lies,
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But i didn't know it
at the time.
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I believed
every word of it.
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If only sara had seen
hubbard's military records.
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In a 900-page file,
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Hubbard's activities are laid
out in extraordinary detail.
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Hubbard told people
that he had been blinded
and crippled
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During the war,
and the practices
that would form
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The basis of scientology
had cured him.
289
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But his records show
that his only wounds
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Were mild arthritis
and conjunctivitis.
291
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We had this terrible fight,
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And he told me he was going
to commit suicide
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If i didn't marry him.
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I really believed him,
295
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So we got married.
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We spent the winter
in that lighthouse on the lake
in the poconos.
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I remember one awful night,
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When i was asleep
and he was out typing...
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and he hit me
across the side of the head
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With a .45...
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Because i was smiling
in my sleep,
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And he said i was thinking
about somebody else.
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I got up,
left the house,
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And walked
on the ice of the lake.
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I was terrified.
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He always said
that he would kill me
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Rather than
let me leave him.
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The only good thing
i got from ron
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Was my baby.
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We moved
to elizabeth, new jersey,
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And he started
writing "dianetics."
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The book was conceived
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And he started
working on it in 1950.
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He said many times
that the only way to make
any real money
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Was to have a religion.
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That's essentially
what he was trying to do
with "dianetics"--
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Get a religion where
he could have an income
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And the government wouldn't
take it away from him
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In the form of taxes.
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"dianetics" was
an immense success.
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From the moment
it was published in 1950,
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It swept through america
and other countries
around the world.
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This book--
that's the background
of all of this.
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That's what started
all the trouble.
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We expected this to sell
about 6,000 copies,
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And it hit the top
of the bestseller list
of "the new york times"
327
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And just stayed there,
month in, month out.
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It was like
i started an avalanche.
329
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The modern science
of mental health"
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Is considered to be
the fundamental text,
331
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Which is the foundation
upon which all else is built.
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One of the theories
of "dianetics"
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Is to discover these things
that are very traumatic
334
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Or have been very upsetting
to you,
335
00:17:06,070 --> 00:17:09,040
And if you can observe
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Exactly what happened,
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The power of that incident
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To influence you today
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Is removed.
340
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The concept of "dianetics"
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Is that you have
two sides of your mind.
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There is the analytical side,
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Which is a perfect computer.
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It remembers everything.
It's flawless.
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It never makes a mistake.
346
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And then there's
a reactive side.
347
00:17:36,780 --> 00:17:40,120
And this is where
all your neuroses, anxieties,
348
00:17:40,150 --> 00:17:41,400
And fears are stored.
349
00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,770
And where do they come from?
They come from engrams.
350
00:17:44,790 --> 00:17:47,990
An engram
is like a memory.
351
00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:49,910
A man has
an automobile accident.
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He has a picture
of an automobile accident.
353
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He has all the sensations
of having been hurt
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In the automobile accident.
It takes him a long time
to recover,
355
00:17:56,300 --> 00:17:58,300
Because he's still wearing
the automobile accident.
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00:17:58,340 --> 00:17:59,550
If you said,
"hey, why don't you take
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00:17:59,590 --> 00:18:01,760
"this automobile accident
and throw it away?"
358
00:18:01,790 --> 00:18:03,310
Well, all of a sudden,
he recovers
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00:18:03,340 --> 00:18:05,340
From the automobile accident,
naturally,
360
00:18:05,390 --> 00:18:07,640
Because the thing that's
keeping it impressed upon him
361
00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,100
And his body
is his mind.
362
00:18:12,270 --> 00:18:15,100
An auditor is a practitioner
in scientology.
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00:18:15,150 --> 00:18:17,800
He listens
and he computes.
364
00:18:17,820 --> 00:18:20,160
We have a meter.
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00:18:20,190 --> 00:18:22,480
A meter simply shows
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Where an individual
is aberrated.
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00:18:24,980 --> 00:18:28,200
The e-meter is
a very powerful instrument.
368
00:18:28,250 --> 00:18:30,620
It's one-third
of a lie detector.
369
00:18:30,650 --> 00:18:34,650
A lie detector would also
measure your respiration
and pulse.
370
00:18:34,670 --> 00:18:37,170
There's two cans
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00:18:37,210 --> 00:18:38,760
And there's electrical wires
372
00:18:38,790 --> 00:18:40,960
Carrying an undetectable
amount of current
373
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Into a meter
with a needle on it.
374
00:18:43,430 --> 00:18:45,970
According to the church
of scientology,
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00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,140
It actually detects
the mass of your thoughts,
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00:18:49,170 --> 00:18:51,610
Although there's no evidence
that thoughts have mass.
377
00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,010
The current
passes through your body,
378
00:18:54,030 --> 00:18:58,030
And as your mental mass
increases,
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00:18:58,060 --> 00:19:01,280
So does the resistance
to the circuit.
380
00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:05,070
So the auditor will
ask you a question,
381
00:19:05,120 --> 00:19:07,400
"tell me about
an upset with your mother."
382
00:19:07,460 --> 00:19:09,240
"what's truly bothering you
about being with, you know,
383
00:19:09,290 --> 00:19:11,380
"with your wife's behavior?
What is it?"
384
00:19:11,410 --> 00:19:13,030
"why are you upset today?"
385
00:19:13,050 --> 00:19:15,630
"well, i had a fight
with my wife."
386
00:19:15,660 --> 00:19:17,380
"well, i can see."
387
00:19:17,420 --> 00:19:19,300
"that there--
was that the same thought?"
388
00:19:19,340 --> 00:19:20,470
"say that again."
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00:19:20,500 --> 00:19:24,300
And gradually, the needle
will have less response.
390
00:19:24,340 --> 00:19:27,420
And in that manner,
you discharge the emotion.
391
00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,880
Then you're asked to go back
to earlier incidents
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00:19:30,900 --> 00:19:32,900
That were like that.
393
00:19:32,930 --> 00:19:35,220
And you might say,
"well, my mother spoke to me
394
00:19:35,230 --> 00:19:37,400
"in the same
scolding tone of voice."
395
00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,600
And you recount that story,
396
00:19:39,660 --> 00:19:42,890
And eventually,
you discharge the emotion.
397
00:19:42,910 --> 00:19:46,060
And that's very much
like freudian therapy.
398
00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,700
But with scientology,
399
00:19:48,730 --> 00:19:51,030
Then they'll ask further.
400
00:19:51,070 --> 00:19:54,030
"well, that's as far back
as i go."
401
00:19:54,090 --> 00:19:55,590
Well, maybe not.
402
00:19:55,620 --> 00:19:59,840
The auditor might say,
"something just registered
on the meter.
403
00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:01,380
"what was that?"
404
00:20:01,410 --> 00:20:03,740
"i had an image
in my mind."
405
00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,460
"well, what was the image?"
406
00:20:05,510 --> 00:20:07,180
"it was a barn."
407
00:20:07,220 --> 00:20:09,720
"are you inside the barn?
Go back to that image.
408
00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:12,600
"okay, open the door.
What do you see?"
409
00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:16,690
"well, it looks like
19th century france."
410
00:20:18,860 --> 00:20:21,230
You walk outside
and you see
411
00:20:21,260 --> 00:20:23,900
The people dressed
in their costumes,
412
00:20:23,980 --> 00:20:26,950
And the e-meter is
saying this is real.
413
00:20:26,990 --> 00:20:28,600
This is a real memory.
414
00:20:28,620 --> 00:20:32,240
It's just as real
as those other memories
that you had.
415
00:20:33,790 --> 00:20:36,490
Beautiful little soft needle,
and everything's good.
416
00:20:36,550 --> 00:20:40,630
Needle's rising, which means
he's getting, you know,
417
00:20:40,670 --> 00:20:43,500
Thinking a lot.
The needle just, like,
goes "pfft,"
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00:20:43,550 --> 00:20:45,590
Like a lot of shit
blows away.
419
00:20:45,620 --> 00:20:49,510
The theta bop,
which is a very quick little
thing like, "doo doo doo,"
420
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,760
Which means
exteriorization.
421
00:20:53,310 --> 00:20:56,900
When you come out
of an auditing session,
422
00:20:56,930 --> 00:20:59,520
You feel euphoric.
423
00:20:59,570 --> 00:21:03,150
That confessional nature
makes you feel better.
424
00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:05,860
Somebody would say,
"oh, you're going
to have a session."
425
00:21:05,910 --> 00:21:07,860
I would feel better
just hearing that.
426
00:21:07,910 --> 00:21:10,980
Man is asleep.
427
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,150
He is hypnotized.
428
00:21:13,170 --> 00:21:16,420
Now in scientology,
reverse the process,
429
00:21:16,450 --> 00:21:18,920
And you'll make him
wake up.
430
00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:21,670
Such a man
becomes un-brainwashed,
you might say.
431
00:21:21,710 --> 00:21:23,420
He becomes unhypnotized.
432
00:21:23,460 --> 00:21:25,490
This sounds, mr. Hubbard,
in a sense,
433
00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:29,050
Like an extension
of psychology
or psychiatry.
434
00:21:29,100 --> 00:21:32,680
Oh, no, psychiatry
has to do with the insane,
435
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,640
And we have nothing to do
with the insane whatsoever.
436
00:21:35,690 --> 00:21:37,940
Is this is a form
of psychoanalysis?
437
00:21:37,970 --> 00:21:40,020
No, psychoanalysis,
they lay back and--
438
00:21:40,060 --> 00:21:43,610
Don't associate scientology
with such people.
439
00:21:43,650 --> 00:21:47,030
That's terrible.
That's bad manners, you know?
440
00:21:47,070 --> 00:21:50,700
When l. Ron hubbard
first wrote "dianetics,"
441
00:21:50,740 --> 00:21:54,400
He thought it was
a tremendous psychological
breakthrough,
442
00:21:54,460 --> 00:21:56,820
So much so
that he would be recognized.
443
00:21:56,860 --> 00:22:01,880
He wrote letters to
the american psychological
association.
444
00:22:01,910 --> 00:22:05,700
They couldn't make heads
or tail of his ideas.
445
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,880
To them, it was like
psychological folk art.
446
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,420
For instance,
he would talk about "clear."
447
00:22:11,470 --> 00:22:14,090
That means that
the individual
448
00:22:14,140 --> 00:22:16,230
Has erased
his reactive mind--
449
00:22:16,260 --> 00:22:18,600
His unconscious mind
is gone--
450
00:22:18,650 --> 00:22:20,900
And he is totally alert
451
00:22:20,930 --> 00:22:22,900
And totally capable.
452
00:22:22,940 --> 00:22:26,220
Once you've taken away
all these traumatic memories,
453
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,860
From this life
and previous ones,
454
00:22:28,890 --> 00:22:30,360
Then you are clear.
455
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:33,190
Someone who had
a perfect memory,
456
00:22:33,230 --> 00:22:36,080
Who was never ill.
457
00:22:36,110 --> 00:22:37,830
Your eyesight
would be better.
458
00:22:37,870 --> 00:22:40,030
We tested people
before scientology processing
459
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:41,870
And after
scientology processing,
460
00:22:41,900 --> 00:22:44,590
And uniformly found
that their iq had raised.
461
00:22:44,620 --> 00:22:46,670
We are making
such individuals,
462
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:50,380
We're making them regularly,
and we're making
them routinely.
463
00:22:52,380 --> 00:22:55,180
An overt act
is an effort to individuate.
464
00:22:55,220 --> 00:22:57,930
It is a withhold
of oneself...
465
00:22:57,970 --> 00:22:59,920
Ron gave lectures
everywhere
466
00:22:59,940 --> 00:23:03,940
For large amounts of money,
and money just started
pouring in.
467
00:23:03,980 --> 00:23:06,230
I mean, these people
were paying
468
00:23:06,260 --> 00:23:09,280
$500 apiece
in the 1950s
469
00:23:09,310 --> 00:23:11,280
For training
in "dianetics."
470
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,030
I felt that he was stealing
from people
471
00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:16,290
And that he was
hoodwinking them.
472
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,290
All the business of sitting,
holding hands,
473
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,610
And putting
all these false memories
into people's minds...
474
00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:25,000
Then they would finally
come along and say,
475
00:23:25,050 --> 00:23:27,960
"oh, yes,
i can remember it all."
476
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,500
477
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,790
We were surrounded
by sycophants.
478
00:23:34,810 --> 00:23:38,640
He began to believe
that he was a savior and hero,
479
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,150
That he really was
this god figure.
480
00:23:44,970 --> 00:23:46,730
He was absolutely convinced
481
00:23:46,770 --> 00:23:50,440
That he had the cure
for the psychological ills
of mankind,
482
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:54,140
And that the only reason
that it wasn't being propagated
far and wide
483
00:23:54,180 --> 00:23:56,810
Was that the medical profession
had a vested interest
484
00:23:56,830 --> 00:23:59,280
In keeping people sick.
485
00:23:59,310 --> 00:24:01,280
I think he was afraid
that some psychiatrists
486
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,750
Would pop him
into an institution.
487
00:24:03,790 --> 00:24:08,040
He degenerated into
a really paranoid,
488
00:24:08,090 --> 00:24:10,820
Terrifying person.
489
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,880
Sara threatened
to leave hubbard
490
00:24:12,930 --> 00:24:14,510
Unless he got
psychiatric help.
491
00:24:14,550 --> 00:24:17,330
He responded
by kidnapping their baby
492
00:24:17,350 --> 00:24:19,350
And taking her to cuba.
493
00:24:19,380 --> 00:24:21,940
He was incapable
of taking care of her,
494
00:24:21,970 --> 00:24:25,110
So he put her in the charge
of a mother and daughter
495
00:24:25,140 --> 00:24:27,220
Who were both
mentally retarded.
496
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,610
And they apparently kept her
in some kind of cage.
497
00:24:29,650 --> 00:24:33,610
He called me and told me
that he had killed her.
498
00:24:33,650 --> 00:24:36,350
He said he had cut her
into little pieces
499
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:38,120
And dropped the pieces
in a river,
500
00:24:38,150 --> 00:24:40,240
And it was my fault.
501
00:24:40,290 --> 00:24:43,240
Then he'd call me back
and say that she
was still alive.
502
00:24:43,290 --> 00:24:46,380
And this went on
and on and on.
503
00:24:46,410 --> 00:24:49,210
When hubbard came back
to the u.S.,
504
00:24:49,250 --> 00:24:51,550
Sara persuaded him
to agree to a divorce
505
00:24:51,580 --> 00:24:53,830
And give her custody
of their daughter.
506
00:24:53,870 --> 00:24:55,800
When i left him,
he cleaned out
507
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,250
All the joint bank accounts
508
00:24:57,310 --> 00:25:00,390
So that i wouldn't
have any money.
509
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,590
Hubbard soon lost
all his money, too.
510
00:25:03,650 --> 00:25:06,900
"dianetics" proved
to be a passing fad,
like the hula hoop.
511
00:25:06,930 --> 00:25:09,570
But hubbard still had
his imagination.
512
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,850
So he repackaged the ideas
of "dianetics"
513
00:25:11,890 --> 00:25:14,440
Into a religion
called scientology.
514
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,740
Hubbard added more science
and more structure.
515
00:25:18,780 --> 00:25:21,530
Along with the e-meters
came a payment plan.
516
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,370
Every step to "clear"
had a price tag.
517
00:25:25,420 --> 00:25:27,830
How would you describe
your business model?
518
00:25:27,870 --> 00:25:31,120
Rapacious.
519
00:25:31,170 --> 00:25:33,510
It's all about making money.
520
00:25:33,540 --> 00:25:36,510
Hubbard, from the beginning,
knew that
521
00:25:36,550 --> 00:25:39,950
People would pay
for this counseling
at a pretty good clip,
522
00:25:39,980 --> 00:25:43,770
And so he continued
to come out with more
and more levels.
523
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,690
The real money
was in paying for these
higher and higher courses.
524
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,720
They were getting
into thousands of dollars.
525
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,030
Those prices
kept going up and up.
526
00:25:52,060 --> 00:25:54,810
That's really
where scientology begins
527
00:25:54,860 --> 00:25:56,900
To create
this indoctrination,
528
00:25:56,930 --> 00:25:58,770
Is, "it's hubbard
that came up with that,
529
00:25:58,780 --> 00:26:01,280
"only hubbard,
and you have to
be a part of our group
530
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,740
"to get
that spiritual satisfaction
you were looking for."
531
00:26:04,790 --> 00:26:06,610
The hubbard college
of scientology,
532
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:10,080
Qualifications division,
department of certifications
and awards
533
00:26:10,110 --> 00:26:12,950
Does hereby certify
that anthony a. Phillips
534
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,250
Has obtained
the state of clear.
535
00:26:17,170 --> 00:26:20,390
As more members
paid for hubbard's bridge
to total freedom,
536
00:26:20,420 --> 00:26:24,010
The church's coffers
swelled with hundreds
of millions of dollars.
537
00:26:24,090 --> 00:26:26,960
From the beginning,
hubbard tried to shelter
that revenue
538
00:26:26,980 --> 00:26:28,850
From any government taxes.
539
00:26:28,900 --> 00:26:30,930
The founding church
of scientology
540
00:26:30,970 --> 00:26:34,400
Attempted in 1967 to get
a court determination
541
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,770
That it was exempt
from federal taxation
542
00:26:36,810 --> 00:26:40,310
On the basis
that it was a nonprofit
religious organization.
543
00:26:40,330 --> 00:26:43,490
A federal court denied
the founding church
tax exemption,
544
00:26:43,530 --> 00:26:47,980
Saying that some
of the church's earnings
from 1955 to 1959
545
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,920
Were used for
the personal benefit
of private individuals--
546
00:26:51,950 --> 00:26:54,320
L. Ron hubbard
and family.
547
00:26:54,340 --> 00:26:58,460
"abc news" has repeatedly
requested interviews
with mr. Hubbard.
548
00:26:58,490 --> 00:27:00,960
We have been told
that he is unavailable.
549
00:27:17,580 --> 00:27:20,180
It was very exciting.
550
00:27:20,220 --> 00:27:24,570
It was that heady mix
of emotion and belief,
551
00:27:24,620 --> 00:27:27,790
And it's--
you get stuck to it.
552
00:27:27,820 --> 00:27:31,830
It's so strong
that it sticks you like glue,
553
00:27:31,860 --> 00:27:34,090
And there's no way
you can get away from it.
554
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,260
I was deeply convinced
555
00:27:37,300 --> 00:27:39,700
That we were going
to save the world.
556
00:27:39,730 --> 00:27:44,250
I considered myself
tremendously fortunate
557
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:46,340
To be in that position.
558
00:27:47,890 --> 00:27:50,380
Out of the blue one day,
559
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,260
I received this envelope
560
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:55,720
With an invitation
to join the sea project.
561
00:27:55,730 --> 00:27:58,250
It was completely
confidential.
562
00:27:58,290 --> 00:28:01,020
I wasn't to tell anyone
about it,
563
00:28:01,060 --> 00:28:04,740
And i was so ecstatic.
564
00:28:04,780 --> 00:28:07,580
Here was a chance
to work with hubbard.
565
00:28:07,610 --> 00:28:10,110
And i signed, "yes!"
566
00:28:10,170 --> 00:28:14,230
I was on my way
to the greatest adventure
in my life.
567
00:28:14,250 --> 00:28:19,120
We had an overnight flight
to las palmas in
the canary islands,
568
00:28:19,170 --> 00:28:22,880
Where we found,
at about 6:00 in the morning,
569
00:28:22,910 --> 00:28:26,180
We were taxied
down to a dock.
570
00:28:26,210 --> 00:28:28,930
We had to climb up
this rickety ladder,
571
00:28:28,970 --> 00:28:31,220
All the way up
to the ship,
572
00:28:31,250 --> 00:28:33,720
And we couldn't believe
this was where we were going.
573
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,060
This ship
was a rusty hulk.
574
00:28:37,090 --> 00:28:40,560
I was given a dirty
old jumpsuit to get into,
575
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,360
Missing one arm
and the other one was
almost half torn off,
576
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,570
And put to work.
We had to scrub the ship
and clean out the ship,
577
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,210
Which was arduous,
strenuous work,
578
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:53,910
In the heat.
579
00:28:53,940 --> 00:28:56,130
Hubbard came
to the ship every day,
580
00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,250
Smoking cigarettes
and surveying his kingdom.
581
00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:02,950
After dinner,
he'd come and join us
582
00:29:02,970 --> 00:29:05,170
On the well deck.
583
00:29:05,220 --> 00:29:07,450
There he was, you know,
right amongst us,
584
00:29:07,470 --> 00:29:09,260
Talking to us.
585
00:29:09,290 --> 00:29:13,010
He would be
his most magnificent self
586
00:29:13,060 --> 00:29:15,400
At those times.
587
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:18,970
He'd lean back,
he'd look up at the cosmos,
588
00:29:18,980 --> 00:29:22,350
And he'd point out galaxies
589
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,240
And constellations,
590
00:29:24,270 --> 00:29:27,160
And he'd say,
"the fifth invaders
are up there,
591
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:30,080
"and this is how they dressed
and this is how they talk.
592
00:29:30,110 --> 00:29:32,700
"and see that blip
across the sky over there?"
593
00:29:32,750 --> 00:29:36,650
He'd point it out,
and we were all,
"yes, we see it, we see it."
594
00:29:36,670 --> 00:29:39,000
He'd say, "and that's one
of their space vessels..."
595
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,490
And there was-- the fourth
invader force was here.
596
00:29:42,510 --> 00:29:45,210
The fifth invader force
came in.
597
00:29:45,260 --> 00:29:49,210
And the name
of this solar system
is space station 33.
598
00:29:49,260 --> 00:29:51,930
The fourth invader force
had been there
599
00:29:51,970 --> 00:29:54,220
For god knows how many
skillion years,
600
00:29:54,270 --> 00:29:55,690
Had been sitting down...
601
00:29:55,770 --> 00:29:58,050
...And we'd sit there,
spellbound.
602
00:29:58,110 --> 00:30:01,390
You could hear a pin drop
on that ship.
603
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,110
He had us emotionally
captured and held
604
00:30:06,150 --> 00:30:09,700
Right there
in the palm of his hand
where he wanted us.
605
00:30:09,730 --> 00:30:11,990
He had us right there.
606
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,620
In the early '60s,
607
00:30:15,660 --> 00:30:18,320
Hubbard was
under investigation
in various countries.
608
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,290
His solution was to take
to the high seas.
609
00:30:21,330 --> 00:30:24,460
He made himself commodore
of a fleet of three ships,
610
00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:26,400
A scientology navy.
611
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,220
To crew the vessels,
612
00:30:29,250 --> 00:30:30,870
He created
the sea organization.
613
00:30:30,890 --> 00:30:33,170
The members of
this so-called sea org
614
00:30:33,210 --> 00:30:35,590
Would become
the church's clergy.
615
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,340
They began going
from port to port
616
00:30:38,380 --> 00:30:41,260
In the mediterranean,
show up for a few days,
617
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,730
And then go off-- sail off
in some other direction.
618
00:30:43,770 --> 00:30:46,220
And a very enterprising
reporter
619
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,390
For grenada television
in britain
620
00:30:48,410 --> 00:30:49,720
Tracked him down...
621
00:30:49,740 --> 00:30:51,490
Slate one,
take one.
622
00:30:51,530 --> 00:30:53,530
That's one
of the very few instances
623
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,530
Where hubbard has actually
appeared on camera.
624
00:30:57,700 --> 00:30:59,750
What are you actually doing
625
00:30:59,780 --> 00:31:01,620
On this ship now?
626
00:31:01,670 --> 00:31:04,740
I am studying
ancient civilizations,
627
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,170
Trying to find
what happened to them,
628
00:31:08,210 --> 00:31:10,710
Finding out
why they went...
629
00:31:10,750 --> 00:31:14,410
Into a decline,
why they died.
630
00:31:14,430 --> 00:31:18,430
Hubbard believed that
he had lived various lives
631
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:22,440
In the mediterranean area
as a venetian prince,
632
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:24,770
As an italian prince.
633
00:31:24,810 --> 00:31:26,640
As a matter of fact,
it's quite interesting
634
00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:29,430
That exercises
can be conducted,
635
00:31:29,450 --> 00:31:32,280
Which demonstrate conclusively
that there are memories
636
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,400
Which exist prior
to this life.
637
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,870
He had buried treasure
all around the coastline,
638
00:31:37,910 --> 00:31:42,460
And he wanted to go find
all these caches of treasure.
639
00:31:42,490 --> 00:31:45,750
We were all very heated,
very excited about this.
640
00:31:45,780 --> 00:31:49,120
Whatever was
his whim, we did.
641
00:31:49,150 --> 00:31:51,080
We would have died
for the old man.
642
00:31:52,390 --> 00:31:53,790
Don't you wake up
sometimes
643
00:31:53,810 --> 00:31:56,420
In the middle of the night
and think to yourself,
644
00:31:56,460 --> 00:31:58,760
"well, i've been on this ship
with a whole lot
645
00:31:58,790 --> 00:32:01,290
"of scientologists
who believe i'm fantastic..."
646
00:32:01,310 --> 00:32:03,230
They don't believe
i'm fantastic.
647
00:32:03,260 --> 00:32:07,980
If you saw the number of times
they don't follow my orders...
648
00:32:09,070 --> 00:32:11,800
Lrh started to devise
649
00:32:11,820 --> 00:32:14,740
A system of penalties
or punishments
650
00:32:14,780 --> 00:32:16,360
Or what he called ethics.
651
00:32:16,410 --> 00:32:19,280
And one of the penalties
for the auditors
652
00:32:19,310 --> 00:32:21,500
Making mistakes
in their auditing sessions
653
00:32:21,530 --> 00:32:23,700
Was to be tossed
overboard.
654
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:26,370
"you have done such and such
and such and such,
655
00:32:26,420 --> 00:32:29,010
"and we commit your errors
to the deep."
656
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,290
And then just pushed
overboard.
657
00:32:32,340 --> 00:32:35,510
30 feet, 35 feet,
658
00:32:53,150 --> 00:32:56,520
Do you ever think that
you might be quite mad?
659
00:32:56,530 --> 00:32:58,850
Oh, yes!
660
00:32:58,870 --> 00:33:02,290
The one man in the world
who never believes he's mad
661
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,540
Is the madman.
662
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:20,640
663
00:33:23,580 --> 00:33:26,580
So we got married a year
and a half after we joined
664
00:33:26,610 --> 00:33:29,180
And moved to california.
I wanted to be a writer,
665
00:33:29,220 --> 00:33:31,580
And my wife--
she was studying scientology.
666
00:33:31,620 --> 00:33:34,120
We had a baby right away,
and the only people
667
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,220
We knew there
were scientologists.
668
00:33:36,260 --> 00:33:38,860
I was working
as a furniture mover
during the day
669
00:33:38,890 --> 00:33:41,560
And writing spec scripts
at night.
670
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,230
Then on the weekends, i'd be,
you know, doing some auditing.
671
00:33:44,250 --> 00:33:46,030
Can you recall a time
when you were happy?
672
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,400
There was
a social aspect to it too.
673
00:33:47,420 --> 00:33:48,870
You got to hang out
with people.
674
00:33:48,900 --> 00:33:51,900
And there were some
interesting people,
nice people.
675
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,920
These are all people
who are looking to improve
their life.
676
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,870
While hubbard was hiding
from public view,
677
00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:21,930
He was very active
in directing the operations
of the church,
678
00:34:21,950 --> 00:34:24,070
Particularly
in hollywood.
679
00:34:24,110 --> 00:34:26,570
This was just after
the haight-ashbury era.
680
00:34:26,610 --> 00:34:29,240
And what scientology
was selling itself is,
681
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,710
"get high
without drugs."
682
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:34,960
It was a place
where people went
and explored ideas,
683
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,800
And you would often see
famous people--
684
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,090
Leonard cohen,
members of the grateful dead,
685
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,840
Rock hudson.
686
00:34:42,890 --> 00:34:45,510
So they built
the celebrity centre.
687
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,130
The idea was to draw in
these famous entertainers
688
00:34:49,150 --> 00:34:53,230
And use them as pitchmen
for the religion.
689
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:55,070
In an industry
like hollywood,
690
00:34:55,100 --> 00:34:58,770
Where stardom is such--
such an illusive quality,
691
00:34:58,810 --> 00:35:02,840
Scientology would offer
a route to maybe feel
a little bit more secure.
692
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,950
And when you're
trying to break in,
you're also dealing with
693
00:35:05,980 --> 00:35:07,660
Relentless rejection.
694
00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:09,580
And something
that helps you stay focused
695
00:35:09,620 --> 00:35:12,170
And feel that
you're improving yourself
696
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,710
And becoming more clear,
you can see the appeal of that.
697
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,540
The beliefs and practices
that i have studied
in scientology
698
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,380
Have been invaluable to me.
699
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:25,460
Have you ever met
ron hubbard?
700
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,300
I'd love to.
I'd be honored, because
i think he's so brilliant.
701
00:35:32,940 --> 00:35:35,310
So when i worked
at the celebrity centre,
702
00:35:35,340 --> 00:35:38,640
I would just, you know,
recruit various people.
703
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,780
Like priscilla presley
and of course john travolta.
704
00:35:42,820 --> 00:35:45,900
Johnny-- he came,
he started on course,
705
00:35:45,950 --> 00:35:48,490
And he was so fun
and outrageous.
706
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,760
And he just made a party
wherever he was.
707
00:35:51,790 --> 00:35:54,040
John travolta
was a young actor
708
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,360
In his very first movie.
709
00:35:57,380 --> 00:35:59,720
He was a troubled young man,
710
00:35:59,750 --> 00:36:01,220
And he was looking
for help.
711
00:36:01,250 --> 00:36:05,250
A fellow actor gave him
a little bit of scientology
counseling.
712
00:36:05,310 --> 00:36:07,060
She gave him a copy
of "dianetics,"
713
00:36:07,090 --> 00:36:09,340
And he was transported
by this.
714
00:36:09,380 --> 00:36:10,710
He would go out
on his auditions,
715
00:36:10,730 --> 00:36:12,210
And no matter
what he went out for,
716
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:15,060
He would get it.
717
00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:17,400
A band-aid commercial,
right away he booked that.
718
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:18,900
Now the army starts you...
719
00:36:18,940 --> 00:36:20,440
He was booking everything,
720
00:36:20,490 --> 00:36:22,740
And then he went up
for a series.
721
00:36:22,770 --> 00:36:24,240
Of course, he books it.
722
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,780
And it's a big series--
"welcome back, kotter."
723
00:36:26,830 --> 00:36:28,580
Up your nose
with a rubber hose!
724
00:36:30,580 --> 00:36:32,580
In the late '70s
and early '80s,
725
00:36:32,620 --> 00:36:36,270
John travolta
was scientology's
biggest star.
726
00:36:36,300 --> 00:36:40,170
Spanky was assigned to be
travolta's key contact
with the church,
727
00:36:40,210 --> 00:36:43,810
And she helped out
with producers, fans,
and the press.
728
00:36:43,850 --> 00:36:46,950
They became close,
and when spanky got married,
729
00:36:46,980 --> 00:36:48,680
Travolta was there.
730
00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:51,620
When johnny first
got into scientology,
731
00:36:51,650 --> 00:36:53,770
He didn't even believe in
himself that much.
732
00:36:53,810 --> 00:36:56,360
But he got injected
with a lot of confidence,
733
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:58,770
And then you get
this phobia inducement
734
00:36:58,810 --> 00:37:01,890
That "if i leave,
it's all going to go
down the tubes."
735
00:37:01,930 --> 00:37:03,980
When you're in
the organization,
736
00:37:04,030 --> 00:37:06,200
All the good
that happens to you
737
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:07,930
Is because of scientology,
738
00:37:07,950 --> 00:37:10,990
And everything that doesn't,
that isn't good, is your fault.
739
00:37:12,540 --> 00:37:15,770
They sell it all
in the beginning as something
quite logical.
740
00:37:15,790 --> 00:37:18,410
Everything makes sense.
741
00:37:18,450 --> 00:37:20,880
And you're going up
what they call the bridge,
742
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,000
You're dong this auditing,
and this is good.
743
00:37:23,050 --> 00:37:25,220
And the next one,
well, it's not quite as good.
744
00:37:25,250 --> 00:37:28,090
It didn't quite make sense
to you, but...
745
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,920
You know, you've already
paid for the next one,
so you'll do that one.
746
00:37:32,980 --> 00:37:35,790
The bridge--
it's a metaphor.
747
00:37:35,810 --> 00:37:38,300
You start here
at the bottom of the bridge
748
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,150
And then you go to the top,
so where it is--
749
00:37:40,180 --> 00:37:42,320
It's an awareness scale.
750
00:37:42,350 --> 00:37:45,600
You start down here
and you're not aware
of anything,
751
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,160
Then you go up here
and you're a lot more aware
752
00:37:48,190 --> 00:37:50,830
Of who you are,
753
00:37:50,860 --> 00:37:55,280
Your spirituality,
your relationship to others.
754
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,450
A person is supposed to
become more able
755
00:37:58,490 --> 00:38:00,200
As they go up the bridge.
756
00:38:00,250 --> 00:38:04,320
And then there are
the ot levels--
757
00:38:04,340 --> 00:38:06,010
Operating thetan.
758
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,160
And a thetan
is a spiritual being.
759
00:38:08,180 --> 00:38:10,660
That's the soul
of the person.
760
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,300
And what level, over time,
did you achieve?
761
00:38:13,330 --> 00:38:16,000
Ot eight.
That's the highest there is.
762
00:38:16,020 --> 00:38:18,520
You can't get any higher
than ot eight.
763
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,360
From the beginning,
you hear these stories
764
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:23,190
People tell of these abilities
they've been able to gain.
765
00:38:23,230 --> 00:38:26,850
It was always talked about,
the people who were ot
could read your mind,
766
00:38:26,860 --> 00:38:29,450
And they could
move objects at will,
767
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,490
And they could--
they were cause over matter,
energy, space, and time,
768
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,370
So it sounded
damn good to me.
769
00:38:36,410 --> 00:38:38,860
I mean, i thought,
"wow, this is great."
770
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:43,080
I finally get to ot three,
771
00:38:43,130 --> 00:38:45,050
And they give me
the secret materials,
772
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,750
Which i've been hearing about
all this time.
773
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,800
They're handwritten
by hubbard.
774
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,390
You have to keep them
in a locked briefcase,
775
00:38:51,420 --> 00:38:53,470
Be very cautious,
because they always said,
776
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:55,510
"if this gets out,
it's dangerous to people.
777
00:38:55,540 --> 00:38:59,680
"it could actually
do them harm if they
are not adequately prepared."
778
00:39:00,980 --> 00:39:03,380
And i read it.
779
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,680
And...
780
00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:07,900
It doesn't make any sense.
781
00:39:07,940 --> 00:39:10,860
This gobbled story
that didn't make sense.
782
00:39:10,910 --> 00:39:14,940
I remember for
one fleeting second thinking,
"maybe it's an insanity test.
783
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,750
"maybe if you believe this,
they kick you out.
784
00:39:16,780 --> 00:39:20,000
"you know, maybe that's it."
that, of course,
is not the case.
785
00:39:20,030 --> 00:39:23,340
They talk about, you know,
the fact that the earth
was created
786
00:39:23,370 --> 00:39:25,700
In such-and-such trillions
of years ago,
787
00:39:25,740 --> 00:39:28,960
And this guy--
space guy--
788
00:39:29,010 --> 00:39:31,760
Galactic overlord--
this was a prison planet,
789
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,510
And people being
caught, captured,
790
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:36,220
And being brought
to planet earth...
791
00:39:36,250 --> 00:39:39,640
And put them in volcanoes
and blowing them up
with a-bombs.
792
00:39:39,690 --> 00:39:41,440
Whoa!
793
00:39:41,470 --> 00:39:43,920
I studied geography
in school.
794
00:39:43,940 --> 00:39:47,260
Those volcanoes didn't exist
75 million years ago.
795
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,430
And we have these lost souls
all over us
796
00:39:50,450 --> 00:39:52,600
And we have
to get rid of them,
and i'm going,
797
00:39:52,620 --> 00:39:56,490
"what... The fuck
are you talking about?
798
00:39:56,540 --> 00:39:59,120
"i mean, i'm down
for the self-help stuff.
799
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:00,660
"i'm down for--
okay, i can be clear.
800
00:40:00,710 --> 00:40:03,210
"i can get rid of
the negative emotions.
801
00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:04,440
"but what the fuck is this?"
802
00:40:07,630 --> 00:40:10,550
When you get
to the upper levels
of scientology,
803
00:40:10,590 --> 00:40:12,640
The creation myth
is explained to you.
804
00:40:12,670 --> 00:40:17,170
The story is that
75 million years ago,
805
00:40:17,230 --> 00:40:19,790
People lived in a world
very much like the world
806
00:40:19,810 --> 00:40:22,430
Of america
in the 1950s.
807
00:40:22,460 --> 00:40:24,650
People, at that particular
time and space,
808
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,100
Were walking around
in clothes which looked
809
00:40:27,130 --> 00:40:30,850
Very remarkably like
the clothes they wear
in this very minute.
810
00:40:30,910 --> 00:40:34,470
And the cars they drove
looked exactly the same,
811
00:40:34,490 --> 00:40:38,030
And they walked down streets
that looked like these streets.
812
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,450
It was a very similar world
813
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:41,780
And similar problems,
814
00:40:41,820 --> 00:40:44,120
One of which
was overpopulation.
815
00:40:44,170 --> 00:40:45,870
They had elected a fellow
816
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,820
By the name of xenu
to the supreme ruler.
817
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,920
There was a tyrannical overlord
818
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,660
Of the galactic confederacy
named xenu.
819
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,380
In order
to resolve this problem
of overpopulation,
820
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:58,850
He called people in,
821
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,350
Ostensibly for tax audits,
822
00:41:01,390 --> 00:41:04,640
And had them frozen
with injections
823
00:41:04,670 --> 00:41:06,670
Of glycol to their heart.
824
00:41:06,690 --> 00:41:09,310
Boxed them up in boxes,
threw 'em into space planes--
825
00:41:09,340 --> 00:41:12,230
Dc-8 airplane
is the exact copy
826
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,230
Of the space plane
of that day.
827
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,320
They were flown to
the prison planet, teegeeack--
828
00:41:19,350 --> 00:41:20,820
It's actually
the planet earth--
829
00:41:20,850 --> 00:41:25,740
And these frozen bodies
were then dropped
into volcanoes.
830
00:41:25,830 --> 00:41:27,960
And then they set off
hydrogen bombs
831
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,000
On the top of each volcano.
832
00:41:30,030 --> 00:41:32,300
And their
disembodied spirits--
833
00:41:32,330 --> 00:41:34,130
These are called thetans--
834
00:41:34,170 --> 00:41:37,090
Floated out,
and they were captured
835
00:41:37,140 --> 00:41:40,260
And forced to sit
in front of movie screens.
836
00:41:40,310 --> 00:41:43,840
With a 3d, super colossal,
motion picture.
837
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,890
They were shown images--
838
00:41:45,930 --> 00:41:48,180
Implants,
as hubbard would have it.
839
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:49,900
Every man is shown crucified,
840
00:41:49,930 --> 00:41:52,570
So is the psychiatrist
shown crucified.
841
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,320
And that's how he gets away
with what he gets away with.
842
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,520
He electric-shocks people.
843
00:41:57,580 --> 00:42:00,390
And when a child is born,
844
00:42:00,410 --> 00:42:03,780
A thetan will leap inside
the child's body
845
00:42:03,830 --> 00:42:07,230
At that very instant,
and it becomes like
the child's soul.
846
00:42:07,250 --> 00:42:10,590
More than one thetan
might crowd into the body--
847
00:42:10,620 --> 00:42:13,410
Hundreds,
or thousands, might.
848
00:42:13,420 --> 00:42:15,460
They're the source
of all of our neurosis,
849
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:17,010
Fears, and anxieties.
850
00:42:19,050 --> 00:42:21,080
Then you are
on the e-meter,
851
00:42:21,100 --> 00:42:22,460
By yourself, now.
852
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:23,930
You're soloing.
853
00:42:23,970 --> 00:42:27,350
You're supposed
to scan, mentally,
854
00:42:27,390 --> 00:42:29,770
From your top of your head
to your toes,
855
00:42:29,810 --> 00:42:33,860
To see if you can locate
any alien beings.
856
00:42:33,890 --> 00:42:37,260
And when you do,
you tell them to go away.
857
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,930
I kept on trying to audit.
858
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:45,290
I could not figure out
how i could have
859
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,540
All these spirits
of dead people
attached to me,
860
00:42:48,580 --> 00:42:50,380
Inside me, on me.
861
00:42:50,410 --> 00:42:52,440
I was clear.
862
00:42:52,460 --> 00:42:55,000
For god's sake,
i was clear.
863
00:42:55,050 --> 00:42:57,170
People actually
have breakdowns,
864
00:42:57,220 --> 00:42:58,630
You know,
nervous breakdowns,
865
00:42:58,670 --> 00:43:01,170
Because they spend
so much time thinking
866
00:43:01,220 --> 00:43:04,220
About being infested
by these creatures.
867
00:43:04,260 --> 00:43:08,430
If you're
really believing that,
it can drive you crazy.
868
00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:12,770
869
00:43:19,740 --> 00:43:22,490
Those years of introspection
870
00:43:22,530 --> 00:43:26,280
Eventually led me
to sincerely considering
871
00:43:26,310 --> 00:43:30,080
That i was so bad,
872
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:34,620
That i couldn't confront
how bad i was.
873
00:43:34,660 --> 00:43:37,210
I didn't know it
at the time,
874
00:43:37,260 --> 00:43:40,460
But a depression set in
that was with me for years,
875
00:43:40,490 --> 00:43:43,510
And the worst thing was
876
00:43:43,550 --> 00:43:47,720
That lrh kept ordering me
to more auditing.
877
00:43:47,770 --> 00:43:51,300
I had to find swords
that were stuck in me--
878
00:43:51,340 --> 00:43:53,440
Hypothetical swords,
879
00:43:53,470 --> 00:43:56,680
Imaginary swords that
were causing all this pain.
880
00:43:56,690 --> 00:43:59,610
This auditing
went on and on.
881
00:43:59,650 --> 00:44:01,400
It wasn't doing any good.
882
00:44:01,450 --> 00:44:03,850
I should have been
left alone.
883
00:44:03,870 --> 00:44:07,200
But everything
that i took offense with,
884
00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:09,960
I rationalized
almost immediately.
885
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:11,760
I had to.
886
00:44:11,790 --> 00:44:15,660
I could not continue
in this game of scientology
887
00:44:15,700 --> 00:44:19,750
Without explaining away
what he was doing.
888
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:24,300
It got to be
a way of believing,
889
00:44:24,340 --> 00:44:28,560
And every one of us
got into that.
890
00:44:28,590 --> 00:44:32,560
It was part
of the mind control.
891
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,270
It was part of
the cultic manipulation.
892
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,600
He was the master
who did it to us,
893
00:44:39,650 --> 00:44:43,820
And we took it on
and then we did it
to ourselves.
894
00:44:43,860 --> 00:44:46,490
And i learned from it,
895
00:44:46,530 --> 00:44:49,700
That i would
never ever again,
896
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:52,360
You know, go--
do the bidding of a tyrant.
897
00:44:59,270 --> 00:45:02,540
898
00:45:02,580 --> 00:45:05,940
Hubbard questioned
his own sanity
899
00:45:05,980 --> 00:45:09,050
And actually wrote a letter
to the veteran's administration
900
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:10,920
Asking for psychiatric help
901
00:45:10,940 --> 00:45:14,350
That he seems
never to have been given.
902
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:18,440
I think
that his whole creation
of scientology
903
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,760
Really was a form
of self-therapy.
904
00:45:20,780 --> 00:45:23,950
If he were just a fraud,
then at some point,
905
00:45:23,980 --> 00:45:25,900
He would have
taken the money and run,
906
00:45:25,930 --> 00:45:27,320
But he never did that.
907
00:45:27,370 --> 00:45:30,120
He spent much of his day
on the e-meter,
908
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:32,270
Trying to understand
what was going on
909
00:45:32,290 --> 00:45:34,110
Inside his own mind.
910
00:45:35,830 --> 00:45:37,740
Hubbard became
increasingly paranoid
911
00:45:37,780 --> 00:45:40,280
That a powerful thetan
had infected his body
912
00:45:40,300 --> 00:45:42,250
And that regular auditing
913
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,000
Wasn't strong enough
to make it leave.
914
00:45:45,050 --> 00:45:46,750
When larry wright
was researching his book,
915
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:49,420
He videotaped an interview
with a scientologist
916
00:45:49,460 --> 00:45:52,810
Who was asked
to help hubbard
expel the thetan.
917
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,260
He was having,
uh, problems
918
00:45:55,300 --> 00:45:58,350
Getting rid of a bt--
body thetan--
919
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,070
So he wanted me
to build a machine,
920
00:46:01,100 --> 00:46:03,600
And basically
blow the thetan away,
921
00:46:03,650 --> 00:46:05,020
Just get him out of there.
922
00:46:05,070 --> 00:46:07,660
Blow him out.
And also kill the body.
923
00:46:10,030 --> 00:46:11,980
Basically, yeah.
Yeah.
924
00:46:13,450 --> 00:46:15,150
But i didn't
want to kill him.
925
00:46:15,180 --> 00:46:17,050
I just wanted
to scare him.
926
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:21,170
So i had read some books
about nikola tesla and stuff,
927
00:46:21,210 --> 00:46:23,510
And i figured maybe
buildin' a tesla coil
928
00:46:23,540 --> 00:46:26,260
Would probably be
the best route to go.
929
00:46:27,930 --> 00:46:29,630
I had little electrodes
930
00:46:29,660 --> 00:46:31,550
That you hook it up
to the e-meter,
931
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:32,660
So when he's on the cans,
932
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,800
Then, uh, he would
just flip the button,
933
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,000
And it would do its thing.
934
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:43,680
As far as i know.
He blew up my e-meter.
935
00:46:43,690 --> 00:46:45,360
Burned it up.
936
00:46:48,030 --> 00:46:50,700
Scientology
really is a journey
937
00:46:50,730 --> 00:46:53,150
Into the mind
of l. Ron hubbard.
938
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:56,370
And the further
you get into it,
939
00:46:56,410 --> 00:46:59,710
The more like
l. Ron hubbard
you become.
940
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,340
Thank you.
941
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:15,140
In 1980,
lrh moved off the lines
942
00:47:15,180 --> 00:47:18,310
So that he could
continue his writings
943
00:47:18,350 --> 00:47:21,510
And researches
without any distractions.
944
00:47:24,100 --> 00:47:29,100
He has now moved on
to his next ot--
945
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,660
Level of ot research.
946
00:47:31,690 --> 00:47:35,060
This level is beyond anything
any one of us ever imagined.
947
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,860
This level is in fact done
948
00:47:37,900 --> 00:47:40,730
In an exterior state,
949
00:47:40,750 --> 00:47:43,170
Meaning that it is done
completely exterior
950
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,170
From the body.
951
00:47:45,210 --> 00:47:48,070
At this level of ot,
952
00:47:48,090 --> 00:47:49,540
The body is nothing more
953
00:47:49,580 --> 00:47:52,240
Than an impediment
and encumbrance
954
00:47:52,260 --> 00:47:55,130
To any further gain
as an ot.
955
00:47:57,300 --> 00:47:59,050
Thus...
956
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,420
Thus, at 2000 hours,
957
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,690
Friday,
the 24th of january,
958
00:48:06,730 --> 00:48:08,440
A.D. 36,
959
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,480
L. Ron hubbard
discarded the body
960
00:48:10,530 --> 00:48:12,650
He had used
in this lifetime
961
00:48:12,700 --> 00:48:16,790
For 74 years,
10 months, and 11 days.
962
00:48:16,820 --> 00:48:19,070
Although you may feel grief,
963
00:48:19,110 --> 00:48:22,910
Understand that he did not,
and does not now.
964
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:29,450
Hubbard died
of a stroke in 1986,
965
00:48:29,470 --> 00:48:32,380
But he left no plan
for succession.
966
00:48:32,420 --> 00:48:35,140
The ambitious david miscavige
stepped forward,
967
00:48:35,170 --> 00:48:37,960
And by bending arms
and making deals,
968
00:48:37,980 --> 00:48:39,620
Took control of the church
969
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,560
And installed
a new generation
of lieutenants.
970
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,260
We want to make sure
971
00:48:44,300 --> 00:48:47,770
That all of us end cycle
on this completely,
972
00:48:47,820 --> 00:48:50,940
So we can get on
with the job
973
00:48:50,970 --> 00:48:52,800
That is ahead of us.
974
00:48:52,820 --> 00:48:56,530
The first time i met
miscavige was in '83.
975
00:48:56,580 --> 00:48:58,360
He was a guy
running back and forth
976
00:48:58,410 --> 00:49:01,830
Between hubbard
and the property
in hemet in a van--
977
00:49:01,870 --> 00:49:05,200
Back and forth,
delivering messages.
978
00:49:05,250 --> 00:49:07,840
Worked my way
through the organization.
979
00:49:07,870 --> 00:49:10,370
Miscavige would
come down to florida,
980
00:49:10,420 --> 00:49:12,170
Where i was
running the place,
981
00:49:12,210 --> 00:49:15,290
And we slowly
but surely became friends.
982
00:49:15,330 --> 00:49:18,530
By 2001,
i was working directly
for miscavige.
983
00:49:19,470 --> 00:49:21,600
We'd sit and drink
a bottle of scotch,
984
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,870
And i'd hear
everything he had to say
about the church,
985
00:49:23,900 --> 00:49:26,570
And about the people involved,
from his perspective.
986
00:49:26,610 --> 00:49:29,860
And honestly, it was--
it was, uh, horrifying.
It was scary.
987
00:49:29,890 --> 00:49:32,510
In scientology,
there was a concept
988
00:49:32,530 --> 00:49:35,680
That 98% of the people
are good and 2% are evil.
989
00:49:35,700 --> 00:49:38,320
Well, he worked very hard
to convince me
990
00:49:38,350 --> 00:49:39,950
That it was
the other way around.
991
00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:43,240
2.5% were okay
and the rest were
very evil and bad.
992
00:49:43,290 --> 00:49:46,540
And somehow,
they'd all been dumped
on that base
993
00:49:46,580 --> 00:49:48,210
So they could be around him.
994
00:49:48,250 --> 00:49:50,410
He was--
he was extremely paranoid.
995
00:49:50,460 --> 00:49:54,220
So, marty, is miscavige
a true believer?
996
00:49:54,250 --> 00:49:59,000
Uh, yes.
997
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,310
He has to
continue to believe,
998
00:50:01,340 --> 00:50:03,110
Because if he looks
at it rationally
999
00:50:03,140 --> 00:50:05,580
And he sees that it
is as i say,
1000
00:50:05,610 --> 00:50:07,350
It will destroy him.
1001
00:50:07,380 --> 00:50:09,560
You know,
he'll just realize that--
1002
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,100
Because he's done
a lot worse than i've done.
1003
00:50:13,150 --> 00:50:15,990
He's abused people
on a personal level,
1004
00:50:16,020 --> 00:50:19,910
Um, as a-- as a--
that's how he got to the top,
1005
00:50:19,940 --> 00:50:22,940
And that's how
he stayed at the top.
1006
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,360
At the age of 11,
1007
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,620
David miscavige
joined the church
with his parents.
1008
00:50:28,670 --> 00:50:31,620
As a child, his ambition
caught hubbard's eye.
1009
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:33,870
So when hubbard wanted
to become a filmmaker,
1010
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:36,710
Miscavige was
his assistant cameraman.
1011
00:50:36,740 --> 00:50:38,340
An auditing prodigy,
1012
00:50:38,380 --> 00:50:40,810
He claimed scientology
cured his asthma.
1013
00:50:40,850 --> 00:50:44,600
He became a sort of
general contractor
for the church,
1014
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,770
And was soon named
action chief--
1015
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,470
The man who did
whatever needed doing
for a church
1016
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,920
That developed
a scary reputation
1017
00:50:51,940 --> 00:50:53,730
For attacking its critics.
1018
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,440
Scientology has been
in the headlines
1019
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:56,950
Off and on
for 25 years now,
1020
00:50:56,980 --> 00:50:59,760
Almost since the time
it was founded as a religion.
1021
00:50:59,780 --> 00:51:01,980
Scientology's story
is one of a church
1022
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,870
Embittered by what
it perceives as harassment.
1023
00:51:04,910 --> 00:51:06,200
We're talking about attacks
1024
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:08,110
From multi-billion dollar
media conglomerates,
1025
00:51:08,130 --> 00:51:11,630
World governments--
real powers of the world.
1026
00:51:11,660 --> 00:51:14,330
They take enemies
very seriously.
1027
00:51:14,380 --> 00:51:16,050
This comes right out
of hubbard's own policies
1028
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,120
From the '60s,
saying, "we never defend,
we always attack."
1029
00:51:19,140 --> 00:51:21,140
And they have followed it
ever since.
1030
00:51:21,170 --> 00:51:22,450
They call it "fair game,"
1031
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:25,590
And anybody who criticizes
scientology is fair game.
1032
00:51:25,630 --> 00:51:27,140
Whatever you're told,
1033
00:51:27,180 --> 00:51:29,060
Whatever needs to be done,
1034
00:51:29,100 --> 00:51:31,600
If it's against the law,
it doesn't matter.
1035
00:51:31,650 --> 00:51:33,980
The best example is,
in the mid '70s,
1036
00:51:34,020 --> 00:51:37,770
Scientologists were
walking in to these
department of justice offices
1037
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,610
And irs offices
and taking documents
out by the yard.
1038
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,860
The fbi raided
the church of scientology--
1039
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:46,080
The largest raid
in fbi history
at that time.
1040
00:51:46,110 --> 00:51:48,580
Oh my god.
The building
is filled with fbi,
1041
00:51:48,620 --> 00:51:50,370
And they're--
they're taking things.
1042
00:51:50,420 --> 00:51:52,150
It was craziness.
1043
00:51:52,170 --> 00:51:55,590
Clearly, l. Ron hubbard
was in charge of all of that,
1044
00:51:55,620 --> 00:51:57,690
But he was only named
an unindicted co-conspirator.
1045
00:51:57,720 --> 00:51:59,620
And mary sue hubbard,
hubbard's wife,
1046
00:51:59,660 --> 00:52:02,880
She went to prison,
10 others went to prison.
1047
00:52:02,930 --> 00:52:05,430
This was where
i cut my teeth.
I was in my early 20s,
1048
00:52:05,470 --> 00:52:07,130
Miscavige
was in his early 20s.
1049
00:52:07,170 --> 00:52:08,880
We were taking over
for this group
1050
00:52:08,940 --> 00:52:11,720
That had created
the largest domestic
espionage operation
1051
00:52:11,770 --> 00:52:13,360
In the history
of the united states.
1052
00:52:13,390 --> 00:52:14,860
They were
breaking into offices,
1053
00:52:14,890 --> 00:52:17,640
Framing people.
This is the activities
of a church?
1054
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,140
There was a guy who,
uh, you know,
1055
00:52:19,180 --> 00:52:21,200
Was a reporter
for "the la times,"
1056
00:52:21,230 --> 00:52:22,530
Whose dog was poisoned
1057
00:52:22,570 --> 00:52:24,780
While he was working
on a scientology story.
1058
00:52:24,820 --> 00:52:27,040
Again and again
while reporting the story,
1059
00:52:27,070 --> 00:52:29,960
We met many former members
who describe scientology
1060
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:33,360
As a dangerous and deeply
paranoid organization.
1061
00:52:33,380 --> 00:52:36,130
They hired private detectives
to harass people.
1062
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:37,550
I have been sued twice.
1063
00:52:37,580 --> 00:52:38,800
Financial ruin.
1064
00:52:38,830 --> 00:52:40,000
Years of harassment.
1065
00:52:40,050 --> 00:52:41,870
Their homes broken into,
have them beaten.
1066
00:52:41,890 --> 00:52:45,000
We chased her around.
We followed her
to the airport.
1067
00:52:45,060 --> 00:52:47,390
Gotten ahold of
personal phone records.
1068
00:52:47,420 --> 00:52:49,810
Slashed their tires,
break their car windows.
1069
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,180
I was locked
in a chicken wire cage.
1070
00:52:52,210 --> 00:52:55,680
Dangerous, horrifying,
terrifying fraud.
1071
00:52:55,730 --> 00:52:57,520
A nightmare.
1072
00:52:57,550 --> 00:52:59,480
Many of their stories
are corroborated
1073
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,850
In sworn court testimony
by up to a dozen other people.
1074
00:53:02,890 --> 00:53:04,570
Are they all lying?
1075
00:53:04,610 --> 00:53:05,770
They sat in a room,
1076
00:53:05,830 --> 00:53:07,230
They figured out
what they were going to say...
1077
00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:10,080
My position,
as the spokesperson,
1078
00:53:10,110 --> 00:53:13,530
Was to evade
the question,
1079
00:53:13,570 --> 00:53:15,620
Or sleaze around some way,
1080
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:17,620
Or give what
was an acceptable answer,
1081
00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:19,750
Or something
that i believed at the time.
1082
00:53:19,790 --> 00:53:21,710
Please welcome
mr. Mike rinder.
1083
00:53:28,750 --> 00:53:31,100
Because scientology
is perceived
1084
00:53:31,130 --> 00:53:33,850
And conceived
by scientologists
1085
00:53:33,890 --> 00:53:37,220
As being the salvation
for mankind,
1086
00:53:37,260 --> 00:53:40,060
You can have people
that lie
1087
00:53:40,090 --> 00:53:42,930
With a very straight face
1088
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:45,480
If they believe
that what they are doing
1089
00:53:45,530 --> 00:53:48,270
Is protecting
the church of scientology.
1090
00:53:48,290 --> 00:53:49,530
L. Ron hubbard says,
1091
00:53:49,570 --> 00:53:51,770
"we do not find critics
of scientology
1092
00:53:51,790 --> 00:53:53,200
"who do not
have criminal pasts."
1093
00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:55,460
Do you believe that?
Sure.
1094
00:53:55,490 --> 00:53:58,040
People who oppose you
are undoubtedly criminals?
1095
00:53:58,080 --> 00:53:59,490
I believe that, yeah.
1096
00:53:59,550 --> 00:54:02,050
You know, there isn't
and hasn't been
1097
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,750
Any effort
which has been taken to,
1098
00:54:04,780 --> 00:54:06,630
Quote,
"silence critics."
1099
00:54:06,670 --> 00:54:08,640
"no, that doesn't happen.
1100
00:54:08,670 --> 00:54:11,170
"oh, we would never do that."
1101
00:54:11,260 --> 00:54:13,170
But according
to many insiders,
1102
00:54:13,230 --> 00:54:15,090
Hubbard was growing
more and more vindictive
1103
00:54:15,130 --> 00:54:16,590
Toward those
who stood in his way.
1104
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:21,520
He created what he called
the rehabilitation
project force.
1105
00:54:21,570 --> 00:54:24,270
The rpf was
what we called it.
1106
00:54:24,300 --> 00:54:25,600
It was the prison camp,
1107
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,190
Where you'd go
for re-indoctrination.
1108
00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:30,110
It was on the 7th floor
1109
00:54:30,140 --> 00:54:32,160
Of the hollywood
headquarters,
1110
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,330
A confined space
to rehabilitate members
1111
00:54:35,370 --> 00:54:37,820
Who might be harboring
subversive thoughts.
1112
00:54:37,830 --> 00:54:40,000
Spanky was sent to the rpf
1113
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:41,870
When she objected
to the way the church
1114
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,290
Had denied medical treatment
to her boss.
1115
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,710
I went thinking, of course,
1116
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:48,340
This is a big mistake.
1117
00:54:48,380 --> 00:54:50,930
And then i got there,
and there were like
200 of us.
1118
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,880
So much of the exec strata
of the organization there
1119
00:54:53,930 --> 00:54:55,880
Hit the skids
simultaneously.
1120
00:54:55,940 --> 00:54:59,640
Rpf stands for
rehabilitation project force.
1121
00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:02,970
It is a program
that is exclusively
1122
00:55:03,010 --> 00:55:05,690
For the benefit
of sea organization members.
1123
00:55:05,730 --> 00:55:08,200
If they are stressed out,
1124
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:10,010
If they're not doing well
on their job,
1125
00:55:10,030 --> 00:55:13,280
Have them do
menial-type work,
1126
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,070
And five hours a day
of auditing
1127
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,460
And scientology training.
1128
00:55:19,490 --> 00:55:21,080
It's a fabulous program.
1129
00:55:21,130 --> 00:55:23,550
We were working--
cross my heart--
1130
00:55:23,580 --> 00:55:25,830
30 hours on,
three hours off.
1131
00:55:25,870 --> 00:55:27,200
Doing, like, hard labor,
1132
00:55:27,220 --> 00:55:29,370
Like having wire brushes
on windowsills,
1133
00:55:29,390 --> 00:55:31,140
And sanding
and sanding and sanding.
1134
00:55:31,170 --> 00:55:32,500
Breathing paint fumes.
1135
00:55:32,540 --> 00:55:34,710
The regular crew
would eat first,
1136
00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:36,510
And then we'd get
what was left.
1137
00:55:36,540 --> 00:55:38,390
It was kinda
like table scraps.
1138
00:55:38,430 --> 00:55:41,210
There was mattresses
out there on the roof,
1139
00:55:41,230 --> 00:55:43,710
And they were wet
and soggy and gross.
1140
00:55:43,730 --> 00:55:45,650
And if you got to sleep
for three hours,
1141
00:55:45,690 --> 00:55:49,150
Sometimes you'd just have to
up there and crash out.
1142
00:55:50,660 --> 00:55:53,090
And i had a young child
at that time,
1143
00:55:53,130 --> 00:55:55,460
Who was 10 months old
when i went to the rpf.
1144
00:55:55,500 --> 00:55:57,360
She got taken
and put in the cadet org,
1145
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,170
The organization
for the children.
1146
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,950
And then i--
i got pregnant
1147
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:05,920
When i was in the rpf.
1148
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,240
So now i'm sanding walls,
eating table scraps,
1149
00:56:09,260 --> 00:56:13,680
Pregnant,
and worrying myself sick
about my child.
1150
00:56:13,710 --> 00:56:16,010
In spanky's time,
the children
1151
00:56:16,050 --> 00:56:18,020
Of sea org members
were separated
1152
00:56:18,050 --> 00:56:20,100
From their parents
and raised in the cadet org
1153
00:56:20,140 --> 00:56:21,970
To remove all distractions
1154
00:56:22,020 --> 00:56:24,520
From their parent's
ultimate responsibility,
1155
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,520
To clear the planet.
1156
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,140
Sea org members
were often pressured
to have abortions,
1157
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,430
Because the church
viewed "getting children"
1158
00:56:32,450 --> 00:56:34,930
As an unpractical burden.
1159
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:37,120
Initially, you're like,
"this is absurd.
1160
00:56:37,150 --> 00:56:38,290
"this is nuts."
1161
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:42,070
And then you kinda
settle in and go, "well...
1162
00:56:42,110 --> 00:56:46,610
"obviously, i need
to deal with something
1163
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:48,280
"that i'm not facing.
1164
00:56:48,300 --> 00:56:50,000
"so perhaps this is--
1165
00:56:50,050 --> 00:56:52,080
"they're doing this
to make me better."
1166
00:56:56,010 --> 00:56:58,670
There are so many
bizarre stories that you--
1167
00:56:58,730 --> 00:57:00,930
Just hard
to believe stuff.
1168
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,960
They asked
if i could arrange
a private screening
1169
00:57:02,980 --> 00:57:04,350
Of "saturday night fever."
1170
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,070
And i was like, "what?"
1171
00:57:08,100 --> 00:57:09,800
"i had disappeared
from this man's life.
1172
00:57:09,820 --> 00:57:11,520
"i abandoned him,
1173
00:57:11,570 --> 00:57:13,970
"and now you
want me to arrange
a private screening?
1174
00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:15,360
"what are you--"
1175
00:57:15,410 --> 00:57:18,140
I said,
"is there anything else?
Maybe a beatles reunion?"
1176
00:57:20,530 --> 00:57:23,110
Travolta had been wondering
where spanky was.
1177
00:57:23,150 --> 00:57:24,500
When she was sent
to the rpf,
1178
00:57:24,530 --> 00:57:27,700
She was not allowed
to contact him
or anyone else.
1179
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:29,820
But now,
under the watch of a guard,
1180
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,820
She was permitted
to call travolta's assistant.
1181
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,160
She said we could
use john's personal print
of the film,
1182
00:57:36,180 --> 00:57:38,930
Under one condition--
that you will see john.
1183
00:57:38,970 --> 00:57:40,880
I was so excited.
1184
00:57:40,930 --> 00:57:44,670
I hadn't had dialogue
with him for many months.
1185
00:57:44,690 --> 00:57:47,060
We had the screening
of the film,
1186
00:57:47,110 --> 00:57:48,520
And on the next night,
1187
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,310
I was supposed
to have dinner with johnny.
1188
00:57:51,340 --> 00:57:53,010
And after
the screening,
1189
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:55,900
I was abruptly told
i wasn't going to see him,
1190
00:57:55,950 --> 00:57:57,820
And i needed
to call and cancel.
1191
00:57:57,870 --> 00:58:02,690
He was truly angry
at me for-- for--
1192
00:58:02,710 --> 00:58:05,790
For having allowed this abuse
of myself, you know,
1193
00:58:05,830 --> 00:58:09,460
And for having that--
so little of myself...
1194
00:58:11,250 --> 00:58:14,220
That i would allow
this degree of degradation,
1195
00:58:14,250 --> 00:58:17,370
And, and um--
and--
1196
00:58:17,390 --> 00:58:19,170
And he was my good friend,
1197
00:58:19,210 --> 00:58:22,590
And i knew that he was
telling me the truth.
1198
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:27,010
Those words were
such a wakeup call for me.
1199
00:58:27,050 --> 00:58:30,210
And i went over there,
to the cadet org.
1200
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:31,930
There were so many
sick children in there,
1201
00:58:32,020 --> 00:58:34,150
And my daughter
was very, very ill--
1202
00:58:34,190 --> 00:58:38,190
Burning up with fever,
completely neglected,
1203
00:58:38,220 --> 00:58:40,740
In a urine-soaked crib.
1204
00:58:40,780 --> 00:58:43,560
Her eyes were
so filled with mucus,
1205
00:58:43,580 --> 00:58:45,910
They were welded shut.
1206
00:58:45,950 --> 00:58:48,450
She had fruit flies
on her body.
1207
00:58:48,500 --> 00:58:51,900
And i just--
i couldn't bear it.
1208
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,510
I just went,
"no, mmm-mmm, i'm done."
1209
00:58:54,540 --> 00:58:58,240
I mean, i just knew
i could make these choices
for me.
1210
00:58:58,260 --> 00:59:00,210
I could decide
to give up my life
1211
00:59:00,250 --> 00:59:02,180
And do this
to help the world,
1212
00:59:02,220 --> 00:59:04,470
But i couldn't
make these choices
for my children.
1213
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,630
I just had to get her out.
1214
00:59:08,590 --> 00:59:11,690
I told them
that i was having problems
with my pregnancy,
1215
00:59:11,730 --> 00:59:13,730
And i needed
to use the phone,
1216
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,560
So they sent
a bodyguard with me.
1217
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:19,480
I called one of the few
non-scientologists i knew,
1218
00:59:19,530 --> 00:59:22,280
A wonderful woman who happened
to work for john travolta.
1219
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,870
I said,
"meet me at this address."
1220
00:59:24,900 --> 00:59:26,700
I gave her a time
and i hung up.
1221
00:59:26,740 --> 00:59:29,710
I go up to my daughter's room,
and i wrapped her up.
1222
00:59:31,660 --> 00:59:34,750
And there's
that bodyguard with me.
1223
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,880
I said,
"oh, my sister-in-law
is in that car
1224
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,280
"and she's gonna
take the baby to the doctor."
1225
00:59:39,300 --> 00:59:40,720
He said, "well,
has this been approved?"
1226
00:59:40,750 --> 00:59:43,300
"of course
it was approved!"
1227
00:59:43,340 --> 00:59:45,810
She's in my arms,
and i got in the car.
1228
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,510
My friend,
she just nods her head.
1229
00:59:50,060 --> 00:59:52,350
Boom! With that,
i pull my leg in,
shut that door.
1230
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,650
She hits the locks,
and we drive.
1231
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:56,270
And people
are yelling my name,
1232
00:59:56,300 --> 00:59:58,320
Saying, "spanky, no! No!"
1233
00:59:58,350 --> 01:00:00,410
I mean, just freaked out.
1234
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,320
I'm thinkin'
"i'm a dead person,
1235
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:04,780
"something terrible
is gonna happen to me."
1236
01:00:04,830 --> 01:00:06,660
I was just so frightened
1237
01:00:06,700 --> 01:00:09,860
That they would come
to fetch me up.
1238
01:00:14,890 --> 01:00:16,120
One of the turning points
1239
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,520
In travolta's relationship
with the church
1240
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:22,180
Is when he understood
what was happening to spanky,
1241
01:00:22,210 --> 01:00:24,660
He didn't
do anything about it.
1242
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,430
I know that
he certainly got exposed
1243
01:00:27,470 --> 01:00:30,440
To the fact
that not everything
was on the up and up.
1244
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:33,100
Why that wasn't sufficient
for him to leave,
1245
01:00:33,140 --> 01:00:35,220
I don't know.
1246
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:40,180
I often wonder what--
what could possibly
keep him there?
1247
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:41,450
Can you recall an incident
1248
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:43,710
Which occurred
when your mother
looked younger?
1249
01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:48,400
An auditor learns to
keep notes contemporaneously
1250
01:00:48,460 --> 01:00:50,790
As he is doing a session,
1251
01:00:50,820 --> 01:00:54,210
About every detail
of the person's life,
1252
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,130
Back to birth and beyond.
1253
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,630
If you do the whole program,
1254
01:00:58,670 --> 01:01:01,200
You end up with
up to a file cabinet full
1255
01:01:01,220 --> 01:01:05,140
Of pre-clear folders
on notations about your life,
1256
01:01:05,170 --> 01:01:08,170
Your thoughts,
and your considerations
about your life.
1257
01:01:08,210 --> 01:01:10,590
It's the most
intimate detail.
1258
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,390
You're always encouraged,
you're always threatened,
1259
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:18,350
To disclose more
and more and more.
And all of it's recorded.
1260
01:01:18,380 --> 01:01:19,820
All of this material,
1261
01:01:19,850 --> 01:01:22,400
Which is represented to you
to be held sacrosanct--
1262
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,990
In fact, any information
1263
01:01:25,020 --> 01:01:27,740
That might do some harm
to the organization,
1264
01:01:27,780 --> 01:01:30,230
Gets unclassified
automatically
1265
01:01:30,250 --> 01:01:32,830
And gets reported
to another branch
of the church
1266
01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:35,030
That deals with "ethics."
1267
01:01:40,340 --> 01:01:42,910
Travolta was down
in clearwater.
1268
01:01:42,930 --> 01:01:45,260
We'd finished
the renovations.
1269
01:01:45,300 --> 01:01:47,600
Every auditing room
had two cameras--
1270
01:01:47,630 --> 01:01:50,920
One on the meter,
and one on the guy
getting auditing.
1271
01:01:50,930 --> 01:01:54,100
Miscavige would sit
in this 15x15 room,
1272
01:01:54,140 --> 01:01:56,100
Cameras of every session.
1273
01:01:56,140 --> 01:01:57,590
You can flip in between 'em,
1274
01:01:57,610 --> 01:01:59,560
And he was watching
these things.
1275
01:01:59,610 --> 01:02:01,110
And it was
for "training purposes."
1276
01:02:01,140 --> 01:02:02,590
Well, travolta saw that,
1277
01:02:02,610 --> 01:02:05,530
And he said,
"i will not be videoed."
1278
01:02:05,570 --> 01:02:08,530
So i was there when
they were setting it up,
1279
01:02:08,570 --> 01:02:10,400
And miscavige
was directing it.
1280
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,240
"get him
into a hotel room,
1281
01:02:12,270 --> 01:02:15,870
"hook up secret,
private videos."
1282
01:02:16,940 --> 01:02:19,110
There were rumors
1283
01:02:19,130 --> 01:02:21,130
That he was
threatening to leave,
1284
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:24,050
And another scientologist
told me that he was delegated
1285
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:28,500
To create a black pr package--
all the damaging material
1286
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:30,840
They could use
against travolta,
1287
01:02:30,890 --> 01:02:33,140
Which came
from his auditing sessions.
1288
01:02:33,180 --> 01:02:35,840
I know this
because i used to do it
1289
01:02:35,900 --> 01:02:39,730
When i was the head
of the office of
special affairs.
1290
01:02:39,770 --> 01:02:41,520
We would
put a team of people
1291
01:02:41,570 --> 01:02:44,770
Onto going through
all of these pc folders
1292
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:48,520
And finding things
that they believe.
1293
01:02:48,580 --> 01:02:51,610
By exposing them
or threatening to expose them,
1294
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:55,250
They will cower the person
1295
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,780
That they're worried about
into silence.
1296
01:03:00,150 --> 01:03:01,620
There is a particular writing
1297
01:03:01,650 --> 01:03:06,260
Where hubbard
is training these office
of special affairs people
1298
01:03:06,290 --> 01:03:10,460
On how, when you use
private information
1299
01:03:10,500 --> 01:03:13,850
To control somebody
to do what you want them
to do,
1300
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,630
And to silence them
from speaking out
against scientology,
1301
01:03:16,670 --> 01:03:20,020
It's really not blackmail,
because you're not
asking for money.
1302
01:03:20,060 --> 01:03:21,970
But you're holding
this secret information
1303
01:03:22,010 --> 01:03:24,310
Over the person's head
to silence them.
1304
01:03:24,340 --> 01:03:26,510
As far as travolta
is concerned,
1305
01:03:26,530 --> 01:03:29,850
People say, well, he--
there's all these things
that we know about
1306
01:03:29,870 --> 01:03:31,700
That have been rumored
in the tabloids.
1307
01:03:31,730 --> 01:03:34,540
But in fact,
it's more of
a two-way street.
1308
01:03:34,570 --> 01:03:36,290
You know, he's provided
with an auditor
1309
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:37,710
Whose shoulder
he can cry on,
1310
01:03:37,740 --> 01:03:40,710
But he's also
provided with the muscle
of the church,
1311
01:03:40,740 --> 01:03:43,290
In the form of myself
and mike rinder.
1312
01:03:43,330 --> 01:03:44,500
On many occasions,
1313
01:03:44,530 --> 01:03:46,630
We were sent out
to get with his publicist,
1314
01:03:46,670 --> 01:03:47,830
To get with his lawyer,
1315
01:03:47,870 --> 01:03:50,670
And to help squash
or intimidate these people
1316
01:03:50,700 --> 01:03:52,970
That are making accusations
against him.
1317
01:03:53,010 --> 01:03:54,470
Once that happened,
1318
01:03:54,510 --> 01:03:57,640
I think he was really
the church's captive.
1319
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,430
Mr. John travolta!
1320
01:04:19,170 --> 01:04:21,730
When they were facing lawsuits
and stuff like that,
1321
01:04:21,750 --> 01:04:23,030
He'd be brought forward,
1322
01:04:23,070 --> 01:04:25,870
And make his testimony
about how great
scientology is.
1323
01:04:25,910 --> 01:04:27,540
He had the opportunity
1324
01:04:27,570 --> 01:04:31,410
To affect
the behavior of the church,
and he chose not to.
1325
01:04:33,180 --> 01:04:35,850
Now i've been a scientologist
for 23 years.
1326
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,220
I've felt like a pioneer
in many-- in many ways,
1327
01:04:38,270 --> 01:04:41,770
And i've--
i've seen my efforts
come to fruition...
1328
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:43,750
In various ways.
1329
01:04:43,770 --> 01:04:46,720
I think very few people
can say that.
1330
01:04:46,780 --> 01:04:49,440
I've-- i'm part of a--
of a frontier in a way,
1331
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,760
You know, that,
that very few people
ever get to be part of.
1332
01:05:27,070 --> 01:05:29,520
Thank you.
1333
01:05:29,570 --> 01:05:32,100
Welcome to church!
1334
01:05:32,140 --> 01:05:35,740
It was the biggest event
in scientology history,
1335
01:05:35,780 --> 01:05:39,190
And of course,
miscavige wanted to milk it
for everything he had.
1336
01:05:39,250 --> 01:05:41,200
It's this
grand, produced thing,
1337
01:05:41,250 --> 01:05:45,670
Where it's all
a single person
on a gigantic stage,
1338
01:05:45,700 --> 01:05:48,990
All this sort of
nazi symbolism.
1339
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:52,820
I clearly recall
getting prepared
for the event
1340
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:54,630
And miscavige
up in that office,
1341
01:05:54,660 --> 01:05:57,290
You know,
going 18-20 hours a day
1342
01:05:57,330 --> 01:06:00,300
Writing this speech,
and thinking to myself,
1343
01:06:00,330 --> 01:06:03,220
"my god, you know?
This is not just
1344
01:06:03,270 --> 01:06:05,890
"a victory celebration,
1345
01:06:05,940 --> 01:06:08,270
"this is a--
this is a coup."
1346
01:06:08,310 --> 01:06:10,810
What we are going
to talk about
1347
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:14,650
Is the war
to end all wars.
1348
01:06:14,700 --> 01:06:17,150
When you are in scientology,
you are in all the way.
1349
01:06:17,180 --> 01:06:19,570
There's no half in
and half out.
1350
01:06:19,620 --> 01:06:22,620
A decade into
miscavige's leadership,
1351
01:06:22,660 --> 01:06:24,910
A simmering crisis
finally came to a boil.
1352
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:29,380
For years hubbard had
insisted that scientology
was a religion
1353
01:06:29,410 --> 01:06:31,460
And should be tax-exempt,
1354
01:06:31,500 --> 01:06:35,200
So he had refused
to pay any taxes.
1355
01:06:35,220 --> 01:06:37,750
We were facing a tax bill
1356
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:41,340
Of over a billion dollars,
and the total assets,
1357
01:06:41,370 --> 01:06:44,930
Liquid and material,
and property of the church
1358
01:06:44,980 --> 01:06:48,010
Was about a quarter of that
at the time, in the '80s.
1359
01:06:48,060 --> 01:06:52,320
And so just
from a real simple
accounting basis,
1360
01:06:52,350 --> 01:06:53,680
It was life and death.
1361
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:55,270
If we don't
get exemption, we die.
1362
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,220
If we get it, we survive.
1363
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,110
As lrh said,
1364
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:01,780
"one certainly
couldn't contest anyone
1365
01:07:01,830 --> 01:07:04,560
"as holy as the commissioner
of the irs,
1366
01:07:04,580 --> 01:07:09,120
"whom i believe gives god
his orders." lrh.
1367
01:07:09,170 --> 01:07:11,120
Faced with this crisis,
1368
01:07:11,170 --> 01:07:13,900
David miscavige
formulated a strategy.
1369
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,960
Think of the nerve
that it takes
1370
01:07:17,010 --> 01:07:19,760
To decide to take on a war
with the irs.
1371
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:21,630
The church of scientology
1372
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:24,080
Has been crucifying
the federal agency
1373
01:07:24,100 --> 01:07:26,470
For its sins
on a regular basis,
1374
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:28,550
Both in and out of courts.
1375
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:32,220
Thousands of scientologists
all filed lawsuits,
1376
01:07:32,260 --> 01:07:33,420
Not just against the irs,
1377
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,310
But against
individual irs employees.
1378
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,260
2400 total lawsuits,
1379
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:41,150
All going at the irs
at one time.
1380
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:42,900
It was
a litigation nightmare.
1381
01:07:42,940 --> 01:07:45,620
Being miscavige's
right-hand man,
1382
01:07:45,660 --> 01:07:47,570
I was in charge
of all those efforts.
1383
01:07:47,610 --> 01:07:50,820
We were not only
suing them in every possible
jurisdiction there was,
1384
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,740
We were investigating
the irs for crimes generally,
1385
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:55,330
Or things that would
offend the public.
1386
01:07:55,380 --> 01:07:57,380
...These hearings
into irs integrity...
1387
01:07:57,420 --> 01:07:58,720
In the late '80s,
1388
01:07:58,750 --> 01:08:00,470
There were hearings
about irs abuses
1389
01:08:00,500 --> 01:08:01,750
That had nothing to do
with scientology,
1390
01:08:01,790 --> 01:08:02,920
Had nothing to do
with nonprofits,
1391
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:04,340
Had nothing
to do with churches.
1392
01:08:04,390 --> 01:08:06,470
They had to do
with joe taxpayer.
1393
01:08:06,510 --> 01:08:09,460
And they we were publishing
these glossy,
1394
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:10,900
Expensive magazines.
1395
01:08:10,930 --> 01:08:13,980
In fact, the exposés
of irs crimes
1396
01:08:14,020 --> 01:08:16,900
Were so hated
that possession
of "freedom" magazine
1397
01:08:16,940 --> 01:08:19,850
Was banned by irs officials
in the irs building.
1398
01:08:22,020 --> 01:08:26,910
There is going to be
a irs conference
in the catskills.
1399
01:08:26,950 --> 01:08:30,030
Right?
And so we would send a pi,
1400
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,080
Find out which hotel
it's gonna be at,
1401
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:35,320
Get down there
during happy hour,
socialize.
1402
01:08:35,340 --> 01:08:38,510
And this guy's tallying
who's drinkin' what.
1403
01:08:38,540 --> 01:08:40,420
And so we go through
freedom of information act
1404
01:08:40,460 --> 01:08:43,710
To find out
that the taxpayers
are paying the bar bill,
1405
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:45,550
And it's so much money.
1406
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:46,800
And of course, you know,
1407
01:08:46,830 --> 01:08:48,670
In the scheme of things,
it's nothing.
1408
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:50,550
But from a pr perspective,
it's everything.
1409
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:54,640
Irs officials told me
to my face
1410
01:08:54,670 --> 01:08:57,110
They weren't interested
in hearing anything
1411
01:08:57,140 --> 01:09:01,030
I had to say
because, and i quote,
1412
01:09:01,060 --> 01:09:03,180
"you are a scientologist.
1413
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:06,400
"you are a mindless robot."
1414
01:09:06,450 --> 01:09:10,200
Well, those who know me
can imagine my response.
1415
01:09:12,580 --> 01:09:16,410
It was short,
but certainly made the point.
1416
01:09:18,300 --> 01:09:22,130
A negotiation
began to take place
1417
01:09:22,170 --> 01:09:26,420
Between the irs
and the church
of scientology.
1418
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:28,390
How do you define
a religion?
1419
01:09:28,420 --> 01:09:30,010
It's not so easy.
1420
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:34,140
Why is one body
of thinking a religion
1421
01:09:34,180 --> 01:09:36,650
And another body not?
1422
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:41,490
The only organization
entitled to make
those distinctions
1423
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,520
Is the irs as an agency--
1424
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:45,820
Very poorly equipped
to do that.
1425
01:09:45,860 --> 01:09:47,610
I mean, they're mainly
accountants and lawyers,
1426
01:09:47,660 --> 01:09:49,410
They're not theologians.
1427
01:09:49,450 --> 01:09:52,080
But it's the only opinion
that matters.
1428
01:09:52,110 --> 01:09:55,370
Once the irs has decided
that you are a religion,
1429
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:59,540
Then you are protected
by the vast protections
1430
01:09:59,590 --> 01:10:02,210
Of the first amendment.
1431
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:05,090
And, as the saying goes,
1432
01:10:05,130 --> 01:10:08,750
The rest is history.
On october the first, 1993,
1433
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:11,850
At 8:37 pm
eastern standard time,
1434
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:15,100
The irs issued letters
recognizing scientology
1435
01:10:15,140 --> 01:10:17,220
And every one
of its organizations
1436
01:10:17,260 --> 01:10:20,440
As fully tax-exempt!
The war is over!
1437
01:10:27,370 --> 01:10:29,230
The war ended
1438
01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:31,200
Because the irs surrendered.
1439
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,400
It forgave
the billion-dollar tax bill
1440
01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:37,070
And granted scientology
its tax exemption.
1441
01:10:37,110 --> 01:10:39,880
Even hubbard's novels
were declared religious texts,
1442
01:10:39,910 --> 01:10:43,080
Their sales
exempt from taxes.
1443
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:45,500
What happened
is that fred goldberg,
1444
01:10:45,550 --> 01:10:48,340
Who was the irs commissioner
at that time--
1445
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:51,220
Miscavige let goldberg know
that if we could find a way
1446
01:10:51,260 --> 01:10:52,760
To get tax-exempt status,
1447
01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:54,620
All those lawsuits
will go away overnight.
1448
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:56,090
And as we were going
out the door,
1449
01:10:56,130 --> 01:10:58,460
Fred goldberg goes,
"is he serious?"
1450
01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:00,100
And i said, "yeah."
1451
01:11:00,130 --> 01:11:02,300
And he sort of breathed
this sigh of relief,
1452
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:04,490
Kind of nodded,
and smiled.
1453
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:07,270
At the church's
victory party,
1454
01:11:07,310 --> 01:11:10,070
Miscavige projected photos
of the church's executives
1455
01:11:10,110 --> 01:11:13,660
Celebrating
with irs officials.
1456
01:11:13,700 --> 01:11:16,750
It created
this tremendous juggernaut
1457
01:11:16,780 --> 01:11:21,370
Of tight conspiracy
of the membership
that then existed,
1458
01:11:21,420 --> 01:11:24,760
But what it really did
was enable miscavige
1459
01:11:24,790 --> 01:11:28,040
To milk every last dime
1460
01:11:28,090 --> 01:11:29,880
Out of that core membership.
1461
01:11:29,930 --> 01:11:34,010
I am proud to announce
the discrimination is over.
1462
01:11:34,050 --> 01:11:35,930
Your tax dona--
1463
01:11:35,970 --> 01:11:38,000
Deductions on donations
to scientology
1464
01:11:38,020 --> 01:11:41,560
Will no longer be disallowed
by the internal revenue service.
1465
01:11:44,440 --> 01:11:46,890
In the '80s,
while hubbard was in hiding,
1466
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:50,530
Scientology was going through
some very severe litigation,
1467
01:11:50,570 --> 01:11:52,400
In particular,
a lawsuit in oregon,
1468
01:11:52,450 --> 01:11:53,980
And one in los angeles.
1469
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:56,540
One of them did produce
a $30 million judgment.
1470
01:11:56,570 --> 01:11:58,370
This scared scientology.
1471
01:11:58,410 --> 01:12:00,290
They realized
they were vulnerable.
1472
01:12:00,330 --> 01:12:01,740
And so they
asked scientologists,
1473
01:12:01,790 --> 01:12:03,990
"okay, give us
a few thousand dollars.
1474
01:12:04,030 --> 01:12:06,250
"you'll get a nice ribbon
or something.
1475
01:12:06,300 --> 01:12:08,370
"you're not gonna get
any courses from it."
and this was new,
1476
01:12:08,380 --> 01:12:10,370
The idea that you would
give them money
1477
01:12:10,390 --> 01:12:12,550
Just to defend
against lawsuits.
1478
01:12:12,590 --> 01:12:13,890
And that grew and grew.
1479
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,720
Now scientologists
are constantly
1480
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:20,060
Under intense pressure
just to hand money over.
1481
01:12:20,100 --> 01:12:22,650
They pitch themselves
as being the underdog,
1482
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:27,270
As being the victim.
And you identify with that.
1483
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:28,890
But then they start
hitting you up
1484
01:12:28,900 --> 01:12:31,020
For bigger donations,
and bigger-- and i got
a lot of pressure.
1485
01:12:31,060 --> 01:12:34,270
And i think
i donated another $250,000
to them under pressure.
1486
01:12:34,330 --> 01:12:35,890
They really know
how to do it.
1487
01:12:35,910 --> 01:12:38,280
They really know how to do it,
and he just was after me
and after me.
1488
01:12:38,330 --> 01:12:40,530
And they said,
"we're under attack, paul."
1489
01:12:40,570 --> 01:12:42,670
This one guy who donated
$25 million,
1490
01:12:42,700 --> 01:12:45,070
For no-- you know,
just straight donation,
1491
01:12:45,090 --> 01:12:47,500
To this--
to the scientology war chest.
1492
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,010
Churches are tax-exempt
1493
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:55,100
Because they're supposed
to provide a public good.
1494
01:12:55,130 --> 01:12:57,260
To prove that good
to the irs,
1495
01:12:57,300 --> 01:12:59,720
Churches aren't supposed
to hoard their money.
1496
01:12:59,750 --> 01:13:03,720
They're supposed to spend it
on services for the faithful.
1497
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,890
Under this pretense,
the church had made
massive investments
1498
01:13:06,940 --> 01:13:08,980
In tax-free real estate
all over the world.
1499
01:13:09,030 --> 01:13:11,700
And when it comes
to labor costs,
1500
01:13:11,730 --> 01:13:15,400
They are almost free.
1501
01:13:15,430 --> 01:13:17,480
The max i got paid,
you know,
1502
01:13:17,540 --> 01:13:20,270
On a weekly basis
was 50 bucks,
1503
01:13:20,290 --> 01:13:22,240
Um, for 28 years.
1504
01:13:22,290 --> 01:13:25,610
Sea org workers
take home something
1505
01:13:25,630 --> 01:13:29,210
Between six and 40 cents
an hour.
1506
01:13:29,250 --> 01:13:32,950
So if you've got
very low labor costs,
1507
01:13:32,970 --> 01:13:37,140
No taxes to pay,
and wealthy people
giving you donations,
1508
01:13:37,170 --> 01:13:41,810
You can see why
scientology has amassed
huge piles of money.
1509
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:43,290
How much are they worth?
1510
01:13:43,310 --> 01:13:45,650
This was a bit of a mystery,
but just recently,
1511
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:47,960
I obtained tax records
that scientology
1512
01:13:47,980 --> 01:13:49,800
Does have to turn in.
1513
01:13:49,820 --> 01:13:52,300
Three of the main entities
of scientology--
1514
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:53,990
And there are 20
or 30 of them--
1515
01:13:54,020 --> 01:13:56,470
But the top three,
just on their own,
1516
01:13:56,490 --> 01:14:00,160
Have a book value
of $1.5 billion.
1517
01:14:01,450 --> 01:14:04,620
It's stunning how much money
a nonprofit
1518
01:14:04,650 --> 01:14:06,200
Has been able to amass.
1519
01:14:16,830 --> 01:14:20,800
It is a crime
that we've given them
religious recognition
1520
01:14:20,830 --> 01:14:22,500
And that
they can hide behind it.
1521
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:24,690
Meanwhile, you got
very good people in there,
1522
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:27,170
And their lives
are being destroyed.
1523
01:14:27,190 --> 01:14:29,110
When i started
this story,
1524
01:14:29,140 --> 01:14:32,480
I stumbled across
an fbi investigation
of the church.
1525
01:14:32,510 --> 01:14:35,350
They were investigating
human trafficking.
1526
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:38,450
It seemed that people
were being confined
against their will.
1527
01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:41,990
There were lots
of reports of people
being physically abused,
1528
01:14:42,020 --> 01:14:45,160
And the exploitation
of labor and child labor.
1529
01:14:45,190 --> 01:14:49,240
All of these things
were questions that
the fbi had.
1530
01:14:49,300 --> 01:14:51,910
While that investigation
was going on,
1531
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:55,080
A case was being heard
in colorado--
1532
01:14:55,130 --> 01:14:58,000
The headleys,
who were suing the church
1533
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:01,720
For many
of these same violations.
1534
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:04,390
And the court
ruled in that case
1535
01:15:04,430 --> 01:15:07,010
That these are all
essentially practices
1536
01:15:07,050 --> 01:15:10,180
That are protected
by the religious clause
1537
01:15:10,220 --> 01:15:12,880
Of the first amendment.
1538
01:15:12,900 --> 01:15:14,400
Once that ruling came out,
1539
01:15:14,440 --> 01:15:16,690
The fbi dropped
its investigation.
1540
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:21,190
I think it was an indication
that the church is protected.
1541
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:24,580
Before ending cycle
completely on the irs,
1542
01:15:24,610 --> 01:15:27,250
There is one thing
i do wish to do.
1543
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,400
Sir. Done.
1544
01:16:27,260 --> 01:16:28,980
The "we stand tall" thing--
1545
01:16:29,010 --> 01:16:31,760
This again was part
of this whole irs thing.
1546
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,260
And miscavige kind of
had this song composed
1547
01:16:34,300 --> 01:16:36,570
By the musician group
they had up at the studio.
1548
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:38,520
He was trying
to turn this into--
1549
01:16:38,570 --> 01:16:41,410
This was a result of the power
of this movement...
1550
01:16:50,620 --> 01:16:52,620
...Which was such bullshit,
1551
01:16:52,650 --> 01:16:55,340
Because it was
all about control.
1552
01:16:55,370 --> 01:16:59,320
When he got absolute control,
he went absolutely bonkers.
1553
01:17:12,220 --> 01:17:14,020
You know, most religions
are tax-exempt
1554
01:17:14,060 --> 01:17:16,020
And many have beliefs
and practices
1555
01:17:16,060 --> 01:17:19,280
That in the modern context
would be considered strange.
1556
01:17:19,310 --> 01:17:20,890
Is scientology any different?
1557
01:17:20,950 --> 01:17:22,230
I mean,
if you go to a christian
1558
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:25,150
Or a jew or a muslim,
and ask them,
1559
01:17:25,180 --> 01:17:26,680
"what do you believe?",
1560
01:17:26,700 --> 01:17:28,320
They can basically describe
1561
01:17:28,350 --> 01:17:31,370
The most important parts
of their religion
1562
01:17:31,410 --> 01:17:32,990
In a minute or two.
1563
01:17:33,020 --> 01:17:34,690
Well, what does
a scientologist believe?
1564
01:17:34,710 --> 01:17:37,460
You need to be in scientology
for seven or eight years,
1565
01:17:37,500 --> 01:17:39,860
And in for a couple hundred
thousand dollars,
1566
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:41,920
Before you finally
learn this backstory
1567
01:17:41,970 --> 01:17:43,830
Of xenu
the galactic overlord.
1568
01:17:43,870 --> 01:17:45,750
Now, if you were told that
on day one,
1569
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:47,750
How many people would join?
1570
01:17:47,810 --> 01:17:49,470
But if they were
upfront about it,
1571
01:17:49,510 --> 01:17:51,090
I'd have more respect
for them.
1572
01:17:51,140 --> 01:17:52,840
But it's that sort of
bait and switch
1573
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:54,980
That people are told,
"oh, it's an applied philosophy
1574
01:17:55,010 --> 01:17:57,050
"to help you
with your communication."
1575
01:17:57,070 --> 01:17:58,730
Oh, yeah?
1576
01:17:58,770 --> 01:18:01,050
So why is tom cruise
paying 1,000 bucks
1577
01:18:01,070 --> 01:18:04,220
To have invisible aliens
pulled out of his body?
1578
01:18:12,700 --> 01:18:14,500
What happens when
your zone of influence
1579
01:18:14,530 --> 01:18:16,030
Is the global stage?
1580
01:18:16,070 --> 01:18:20,500
How much must one do
to call themselves
a scientologist?
1581
01:18:20,540 --> 01:18:23,570
How much so that
when their head
hits the pillow,
1582
01:18:23,590 --> 01:18:25,710
They can live
with themselves,
1583
01:18:25,740 --> 01:18:28,460
Knowing they did
all they could do?
1584
01:18:28,510 --> 01:18:30,800
That is our final story
this evening.
1585
01:18:30,850 --> 01:18:34,470
It's a story that affects
every scientologist,
1586
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:38,690
For all of us
are the beneficiaries
of what he presents.
1587
01:18:40,610 --> 01:18:43,310
Tom cruise was the guy.
1588
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:47,530
Miscavige and cruise
had been pretty buddy-buddy,
1589
01:18:47,570 --> 01:18:50,650
Way back
to "days of thunder."
1590
01:18:50,700 --> 01:18:54,700
He was on the set with him,
he went skydiving with him,
1591
01:18:54,740 --> 01:18:58,070
Was hangin' out with him
all the time.
1592
01:18:58,130 --> 01:19:00,780
And that was when
tom first met nicole.
1593
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:03,250
He had really fallen for her.
1594
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:04,580
They got married,
1595
01:19:04,620 --> 01:19:07,670
And this posed
a dilemma for the church,
1596
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:09,170
Because her father
1597
01:19:09,220 --> 01:19:13,390
Is a well-known psychologist
in australia.
1598
01:19:13,430 --> 01:19:15,680
From the church's perspective,
he's the enemy.
1599
01:19:15,730 --> 01:19:17,640
He's a suppressive person.
1600
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:19,310
How could you ignore me
like this?
1601
01:19:19,350 --> 01:19:21,060
Because nicole is still
1602
01:19:21,100 --> 01:19:23,650
In a relationship
with her father,
1603
01:19:23,690 --> 01:19:25,970
That makes her dangerous.
1604
01:19:25,990 --> 01:19:29,520
She's a potential
trouble source, pts.
1605
01:19:29,580 --> 01:19:33,330
And because tom
is related to her,
1606
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:36,780
This all causes trouble
from the church's perspective.
1607
01:19:36,830 --> 01:19:38,700
You have to
break that dynamic.
1608
01:19:38,750 --> 01:19:41,820
Nicole-- her biggest beef
1609
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:46,540
Was that tom was becoming
increasingly like dave.
1610
01:19:46,590 --> 01:19:49,330
She really got him
to drift away from the church,
1611
01:19:49,340 --> 01:19:53,210
And tom was not
really actively involved
in scientology
1612
01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:56,970
Between '92-ish
all the way up until 2001.
1613
01:19:58,350 --> 01:20:02,110
They were away
for more than a year
1614
01:20:02,140 --> 01:20:04,940
Shooting "eyes wide shut"
in the uk.
1615
01:20:04,980 --> 01:20:08,900
And cruise was not in touch
with miscavige,
1616
01:20:08,950 --> 01:20:11,280
And this
drove miscavige crazy.
1617
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:14,020
I was assigned to, um,
get him back in.
1618
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:17,320
And that was coincident with,
and-- and i was to facilitate
1619
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:19,660
The breakup
with nicole kidman.
1620
01:20:19,690 --> 01:20:21,570
And how'd you do that?
1621
01:20:21,630 --> 01:20:24,210
Uh, well,
through a lot of auditing.
1622
01:20:24,250 --> 01:20:27,830
And every session
i ever gave to tom cruise--
1623
01:20:27,870 --> 01:20:31,920
And there was dozens
upon dozens of them
over a three-year period--
1624
01:20:31,970 --> 01:20:33,700
I had to write
detailed reports
1625
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:36,220
And send them directly
to david miscavige.
1626
01:20:36,260 --> 01:20:38,640
I would sit there every night
with our scotch
1627
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:40,980
And watch and listen
to miscavige comment
1628
01:20:41,010 --> 01:20:44,680
About cruise's sex life,
and what-- yeah,
1629
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:46,520
How perverted he was.
1630
01:20:46,550 --> 01:20:50,220
Why is he gettin'
daily reports on cruise?
1631
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:52,740
Miscavige really wanted
to get him back
1632
01:20:52,770 --> 01:20:54,410
Into being somebody
that he could use
1633
01:20:54,440 --> 01:20:58,280
To lure people
into scientology
and increase his own status.
1634
01:20:58,330 --> 01:21:01,110
And i was also involved
in the legal team
1635
01:21:01,170 --> 01:21:06,090
And actually
hiring investigators
to investigate nicole.
1636
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:07,750
Men have to stick it in
every place they can,
1637
01:21:07,790 --> 01:21:09,790
But for women--
women, it is just about
1638
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:11,710
Security and commitment--
1639
01:21:11,740 --> 01:21:14,010
Tom wanted to know exactly
who she was talking to,
1640
01:21:14,050 --> 01:21:16,850
And so he wanted
to tap her phone.
1641
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:20,770
If you men only knew.
1642
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:22,270
When i reported that day
to miscavige,
1643
01:21:22,300 --> 01:21:25,590
I reported it,
like, "i mean, he wants
to tap her phone."
1644
01:21:25,610 --> 01:21:27,890
He said,
"god damn it, get it done."
1645
01:21:27,930 --> 01:21:31,730
And so i arranged,
through the scientology's
consigliere,
1646
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:34,360
To get
a private investigator
1647
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,950
Who physically installed
a wiretap on her home.
1648
01:21:36,990 --> 01:21:38,940
And those tapes
would come in,
1649
01:21:38,950 --> 01:21:42,410
And i forwarded them
to dave miscavige.
1650
01:21:42,460 --> 01:21:44,910
The church then turned
its attention
1651
01:21:44,940 --> 01:21:49,210
To their adopted children,
to turn them against
their mother
1652
01:21:49,250 --> 01:21:52,300
And make sure
that the custody went to tom.
1653
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:58,470
Tommy davis,
he was my liaison
1654
01:21:58,510 --> 01:22:01,810
Who had to do all the things
that are required
1655
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:03,230
To please tom cruise
1656
01:22:03,260 --> 01:22:05,980
While he was being put through
the scientology hoops by me.
1657
01:22:06,010 --> 01:22:10,520
He also was
part of this whole
reeducation program,
1658
01:22:10,570 --> 01:22:13,690
So that they would conclude
that their mother
1659
01:22:13,740 --> 01:22:16,190
Was a suppressive person.
1660
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:18,410
And that was successful.
1661
01:22:18,440 --> 01:22:20,330
It was all going
according to plan.
1662
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:23,080
And of course,
miscavige would really
1663
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:25,870
Pump the oxygen
into that little fire,
you know.
1664
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:30,320
Miscavige was brilliant
at flaming people's fears,
1665
01:22:30,340 --> 01:22:32,460
And building up their egos.
1666
01:22:34,540 --> 01:22:37,210
So you were
being audited by marty
1667
01:22:37,260 --> 01:22:39,350
At the same time
he was auditing cruise?
1668
01:22:39,380 --> 01:22:41,660
Oh, yeah, yeah, i was--
yeah, tom cruise.
1669
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:44,180
Tom would go in,
and i would go in,
and tom would go in,
1670
01:22:44,220 --> 01:22:46,850
And i would go in,
and so, you know...
1671
01:22:46,890 --> 01:22:49,860
And i had been audited
by the best auditors
on the planet.
1672
01:22:49,890 --> 01:22:52,140
The best auditor,
hands down,
1673
01:22:52,180 --> 01:22:54,730
I mean, like--
like kinda michael jordan,
1674
01:22:54,780 --> 01:22:57,400
Wayne gretsky,
kinda auditor is marty.
1675
01:22:57,450 --> 01:23:00,030
1676
01:23:01,070 --> 01:23:03,040
They stole him,
you know?
1677
01:23:03,070 --> 01:23:06,190
Tom thinks he's supposed
to be david miscavige.
1678
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:10,540
By 2004, tom cruise
was the most gung-ho
scientologist in the world,
1679
01:23:10,580 --> 01:23:12,750
And miscavige wanted
to recognize him for it.
1680
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,530
He called it
the freedom medal of valor
1681
01:23:15,550 --> 01:23:19,090
And they put together
this 35-minute video.
1682
01:23:19,140 --> 01:23:24,010
Ias freedom medal
of valor winner, tom cruise!
1683
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:26,380
In it, they just
pump up this idea
1684
01:23:26,390 --> 01:23:31,060
That tom cruise
is the ambassador
of scientology to the world.
1685
01:23:31,100 --> 01:23:33,770
He's known as
the biggest movie star ever.
1686
01:23:33,820 --> 01:23:35,550
Tom cruise
travels this world,
1687
01:23:35,570 --> 01:23:37,720
Meeting with ministers,
ambassadors,
1688
01:23:37,740 --> 01:23:39,320
And the american
state department,
1689
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:44,360
Advancing lrh technology
straight into the corridors
of power.
1690
01:23:44,410 --> 01:23:46,030
It's about
improving conditions.
1691
01:23:46,060 --> 01:23:48,200
It allows you to find out
for yourself.
1692
01:23:48,230 --> 01:23:49,700
There's things
that we can do to help.
1693
01:23:49,750 --> 01:23:51,500
They even did
a calculation,
1694
01:23:51,540 --> 01:23:53,670
Where they figured
between his films
1695
01:23:53,710 --> 01:23:55,740
And all the "opinion leaders"
that he had met
1696
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:57,370
And all the travel
he had done...
1697
01:23:57,410 --> 01:24:00,260
Tom cruise has introduced
lrh technology
1698
01:24:00,300 --> 01:24:03,910
To over one billion people
of earth.
1699
01:24:03,930 --> 01:24:07,220
No question,
he has been a huge asset
to them.
1700
01:24:07,270 --> 01:24:09,920
Which is why the story
of tom cruise,
1701
01:24:09,940 --> 01:24:15,060
Scientologist,
has only just begun.
1702
01:24:15,090 --> 01:24:17,090
I think it's a privilege
to call yourself
a scientologist,
1703
01:24:17,110 --> 01:24:18,950
And it's something
that you have to earn.
1704
01:24:18,980 --> 01:24:20,900
Scientology loves to use
this word "end phenomena."
1705
01:24:20,930 --> 01:24:23,780
Every level
has an end phenomena,
1706
01:24:23,820 --> 01:24:25,120
You know, that you attain,
1707
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:28,150
And tom cruise shows that.
1708
01:24:28,210 --> 01:24:30,660
That video
with him in the black
turtleneck sweater?
1709
01:24:30,710 --> 01:24:32,460
A scientologist is someone
who can look at the world
1710
01:24:32,490 --> 01:24:34,610
And really see what it is.
1711
01:24:34,630 --> 01:24:37,750
Not only
look at it and see it,
but be able to go,
1712
01:24:37,780 --> 01:24:41,000
Poof, and be effective,
and do something about it.
1713
01:24:41,090 --> 01:24:43,920
And he's as arrogant
and as untouchable
1714
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:45,340
As could possibly be.
1715
01:24:45,390 --> 01:24:48,470
At the same time,
he looks like an utter
crazy paranoiac.
1716
01:24:50,630 --> 01:24:55,270
And, uh...
I know-- you know, she...
1717
01:24:55,300 --> 01:24:58,940
They, said, "so, like
have you met an sp?"
1718
01:25:03,310 --> 01:25:06,110
And i looked at her,
1719
01:25:06,140 --> 01:25:09,080
And i thought, "oh,
what a beautiful thing,"
1720
01:25:09,110 --> 01:25:11,780
Because maybe one day,
it'll be like that.
1721
01:25:11,820 --> 01:25:13,920
You know what i'm saying?
Maybe one day,
1722
01:25:13,950 --> 01:25:16,790
It will be that--
"wow. Sp's?"
1723
01:25:16,820 --> 01:25:18,370
Like, they'll just
read about those
1724
01:25:18,420 --> 01:25:20,320
In the history books,
you know?
1725
01:25:20,340 --> 01:25:22,210
That's where it takes you.
1726
01:25:22,260 --> 01:25:25,850
That's the end phenomena
of the scientology bridge.
1727
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:27,960
All scientologists
are full of shit.
1728
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,130
You know, they lie.
"aw, i'm doing great!
1729
01:25:30,170 --> 01:25:32,020
"you gotta get on seven."
1730
01:25:32,050 --> 01:25:34,020
You know,
and they're fucking--
1731
01:25:34,060 --> 01:25:36,440
"i've got a fucking migraine
right now,
1732
01:25:36,470 --> 01:25:39,280
"and i've never
felt so shitty!"
1733
01:25:39,310 --> 01:25:41,680
You know,
that's the fucking life.
1734
01:25:44,030 --> 01:25:47,020
There's nothing
part of the way for me!
1735
01:25:49,190 --> 01:25:50,790
It's just-- whoo!
1736
01:25:50,820 --> 01:25:52,620
He drank the kool-aid.
1737
01:25:52,660 --> 01:25:55,120
And in the eyes of miscavige,
1738
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:59,710
Tom cruise is the perfect
scientology celebrity.
1739
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:02,580
And nobody's benefited more
from his membership.
1740
01:26:02,630 --> 01:26:05,250
I mean, the amount
of free sea org labor.
1741
01:26:05,300 --> 01:26:08,700
Sea org members make
40 cents an hour,
1742
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:10,510
And i don't think
there's any way
1743
01:26:10,540 --> 01:26:12,310
Tom cruise
is not aware of that.
1744
01:26:12,340 --> 01:26:13,680
The church
has done so much for him.
1745
01:26:13,710 --> 01:26:15,900
They tricked out all his cars
and his motorcycles.
1746
01:26:15,930 --> 01:26:19,350
"oh, i want a new limo."
"we'll build it for you."
1747
01:26:19,380 --> 01:26:22,490
Decked out tom cruise's hangar
in santa monica.
1748
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:26,570
Installed all
the audiovisual stuff
in cruise's home.
1749
01:26:26,610 --> 01:26:28,910
Tom cruise had expressed
this fantasy
1750
01:26:28,940 --> 01:26:32,250
Of wanting
to run through a meadow
with nicole kidman.
1751
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:34,580
And so everybody had to work,
and till the soil.
1752
01:26:34,620 --> 01:26:36,870
And then david miscavige
didn't like it,
1753
01:26:36,950 --> 01:26:39,440
And so the whole thing
had to be ripped up again.
1754
01:26:39,470 --> 01:26:41,750
This was at the gold facility,
1755
01:26:41,790 --> 01:26:43,420
Which is this desert facility,
1756
01:26:43,460 --> 01:26:45,840
Where this is all kinds
of great stuff,
1757
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:47,430
If you're tom cruise,
you know?
1758
01:26:47,550 --> 01:26:49,130
Wonderful living quarters
and a gym.
1759
01:26:49,180 --> 01:26:51,800
When cruise comes up,
everyone's told in advance,
1760
01:26:51,850 --> 01:26:53,750
"you better have
a fucking smile on your face."
1761
01:26:53,770 --> 01:26:55,850
Everyone had to
call cruise "sir."
1762
01:26:55,890 --> 01:26:59,860
1763
01:27:18,710 --> 01:27:21,660
Thank you.
1764
01:27:21,710 --> 01:27:23,630
It's this
side-by-side world.
1765
01:27:23,670 --> 01:27:25,830
There are celebrities
like cruise and travolta,
1766
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:27,330
And then, you know,
there are people
1767
01:27:27,390 --> 01:27:30,640
Who tell terrible tales
of what happened to them
in the church--
1768
01:27:30,670 --> 01:27:35,170
Being imprisoned
and really horrible
psychological games.
1769
01:27:37,460 --> 01:27:39,760
Tom was in spain.
1770
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:44,020
They were opening up
a new scientology church
in madrid.
1771
01:27:44,070 --> 01:27:46,690
And he was overheard
to complain
1772
01:27:46,740 --> 01:27:48,650
That he needed
a new girlfriend.
1773
01:27:48,690 --> 01:27:52,660
Soon after that,
a young scientologist
premed student
1774
01:27:52,690 --> 01:27:55,750
Named nazanin boniadi--
she was told
1775
01:27:55,780 --> 01:27:58,410
That she was going to get
a special assignment.
1776
01:27:58,450 --> 01:28:00,150
...Number of transactions
increase...
1777
01:28:00,170 --> 01:28:03,090
Years later, nazanin became
a successful tv actress
1778
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:06,510
And she would
have a small part
in a paul haggis film.
1779
01:28:06,540 --> 01:28:09,430
But at the time,
she was a dedicated
young scientologist
1780
01:28:09,460 --> 01:28:11,490
Who believed
in the church's claims
1781
01:28:11,510 --> 01:28:13,460
For its humanitarian
mission.
1782
01:28:13,500 --> 01:28:15,770
In fact,
she set a monthly record
1783
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:19,020
For selling books
for the church.
1784
01:28:19,050 --> 01:28:22,510
Nazanin may not
speak publicly
about her experiences
1785
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:25,530
Because of an nda
the church pressured her
to sign,
1786
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:28,840
But i discovered details
from fbi testimony
1787
01:28:28,860 --> 01:28:31,110
Regarding her ordeal.
1788
01:28:31,150 --> 01:28:33,650
David miscavige
assigned nazanin's case
1789
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:36,290
To a key church official,
greg wilhere.
1790
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:38,450
He put her through
a one-month program
1791
01:28:38,490 --> 01:28:43,330
Of on-camera interviews,
intensive auditing,
and security checks.
1792
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:45,550
She was moved
into the celebrity center,
1793
01:28:45,580 --> 01:28:49,030
Separated from her family,
and certain problems
were addressed
1794
01:28:49,050 --> 01:28:50,630
During this period of time.
1795
01:28:50,670 --> 01:28:52,970
One was,
she had a boyfriend.
1796
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:56,920
She is handed a transcript
of his auditing session,
1797
01:28:56,980 --> 01:28:59,380
In which he admitted
that he had an affair.
1798
01:28:59,390 --> 01:29:01,430
And so she broke up
with him.
1799
01:29:01,480 --> 01:29:03,760
Then wilhere took her
to an orthodontist
1800
01:29:03,820 --> 01:29:05,010
To have her braces removed.
1801
01:29:05,050 --> 01:29:07,180
At burberry and other stores
in beverly hills,
1802
01:29:07,220 --> 01:29:10,890
He bought her $20,000
worth of clothes.
1803
01:29:10,910 --> 01:29:13,240
At the celebrity centre,
a man who worked
1804
01:29:13,270 --> 01:29:14,820
For cruise's hair stylist
1805
01:29:14,860 --> 01:29:17,890
Colored nazanin's hair
to cruise's liking.
1806
01:29:17,910 --> 01:29:19,910
Nazanin was told
that her makeover
1807
01:29:19,950 --> 01:29:22,780
Was a part
of the church's
humanitarian mission.
1808
01:29:22,830 --> 01:29:27,240
She had to look
her best for conferences
with world leaders.
1809
01:29:29,620 --> 01:29:32,910
Only after she was flown
first class to new york
1810
01:29:32,930 --> 01:29:34,790
Did she discover
the actual role
1811
01:29:34,850 --> 01:29:37,130
That the church
wanted her to play.
1812
01:29:37,180 --> 01:29:41,880
She was to be the girlfriend
of scientology's biggest star.
1813
01:29:43,390 --> 01:29:46,610
Within a month,
nazanin was living
with cruise.
1814
01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:48,560
While at his house
in telluride,
1815
01:29:48,590 --> 01:29:50,030
Miscavige came to visit.
1816
01:29:50,060 --> 01:29:52,200
Overcome
by a severe headache,
1817
01:29:52,230 --> 01:29:55,100
Nazanin had a hard time
understanding miscavige,
1818
01:29:55,130 --> 01:29:56,630
Which infuriated him.
1819
01:29:56,670 --> 01:29:59,100
The next day, cruise,
inches from her face,
1820
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:01,950
Pounded his fist on the table
and screamed at her
1821
01:30:01,990 --> 01:30:04,240
For insulting the head
of the church.
1822
01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:06,610
Two weeks later,
church henchman tommy davis
1823
01:30:06,630 --> 01:30:09,160
Delivered
the news to nazanin--
1824
01:30:09,210 --> 01:30:11,660
The relationship with cruise
was over.
1825
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:13,000
And they, according to her,
1826
01:30:13,050 --> 01:30:15,220
Came to her apartment
with her mom
1827
01:30:15,250 --> 01:30:18,090
And found every photograph
of the two of them together,
1828
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:21,060
And took them away.
Every scrap, every letter,
everything,
1829
01:30:21,090 --> 01:30:23,840
They...
As if it never existed.
1830
01:30:23,900 --> 01:30:25,850
And she was really upset,
1831
01:30:25,900 --> 01:30:28,560
Because she
had been really hurt
by the whole thing.
1832
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:31,130
And she made the mistake
of telling her friend,
1833
01:30:31,150 --> 01:30:34,490
Who immediately went to tell
someone in the church.
1834
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:36,970
She agreed
to do punishments,
1835
01:30:36,990 --> 01:30:39,190
Like cleaning out
the public bathrooms
1836
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:42,280
On her hands and knees
with a toothbrush,
1837
01:30:42,310 --> 01:30:47,030
While other people she knew
were stepping over her.
1838
01:30:47,090 --> 01:30:49,040
She did nothing wrong,
other than tell her friend
1839
01:30:49,090 --> 01:30:51,590
That she was heartbroken,
and this is the way
she was treated?
1840
01:30:51,620 --> 01:30:53,510
1841
01:30:53,540 --> 01:30:56,490
The church claims that
miscavige has no involvement
1842
01:30:56,510 --> 01:30:58,490
In cruise's personal life
1843
01:30:58,510 --> 01:31:02,550
And that the search
for cruise's girlfriend
never existed.
1844
01:31:05,440 --> 01:31:09,360
I wanna tell you something.
1845
01:31:09,390 --> 01:31:13,030
I have never met
a more competent,
1846
01:31:13,060 --> 01:31:16,060
A more intelligent,
a more tolerant,
1847
01:31:16,110 --> 01:31:18,350
A more compassionate being,
1848
01:31:18,370 --> 01:31:23,570
Outside of what
i've experienced from lrh.
1849
01:31:23,620 --> 01:31:26,660
And i've met the leaders
of leaders.
1850
01:31:26,690 --> 01:31:28,740
Okay? I've met them all.
1851
01:31:28,790 --> 01:31:30,190
And so i say to you,
sir, cob,
1852
01:31:30,210 --> 01:31:33,030
We are lucky to have you
and thank you very much.
1853
01:31:34,370 --> 01:31:36,330
While miscavige
would do anything
1854
01:31:36,380 --> 01:31:38,500
For the church's
most famous celebrity,
1855
01:31:38,550 --> 01:31:40,420
Miscavige began
to turn against
1856
01:31:40,470 --> 01:31:43,420
The sea org's
highest-ranking executives.
1857
01:31:43,470 --> 01:31:47,060
He pretty much
had international management
shut down.
1858
01:31:47,100 --> 01:31:49,350
He was into
this deep paranoia thing
1859
01:31:49,380 --> 01:31:50,900
About everybody is
out to get him.
1860
01:31:50,930 --> 01:31:53,930
He very definitely
1861
01:31:53,990 --> 01:31:56,550
Wiped out
that organizational pattern
1862
01:31:56,570 --> 01:31:58,900
In order to be able
to have ultimate power.
1863
01:31:58,940 --> 01:32:01,190
In 2004,
1864
01:32:01,230 --> 01:32:04,240
Miscavige ordered
the top officers
of the sea org
1865
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:06,530
To the scientology's
gold base
1866
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:08,080
In southern california.
1867
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:11,170
He forced them
to live in a pair
of double-wide trailers
1868
01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:13,590
That came to be called
"the hole."
1869
01:32:13,620 --> 01:32:15,590
The doors had bars
put on them,
1870
01:32:15,620 --> 01:32:17,920
The windows all had bars
put on them,
1871
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:20,340
And there was
one entrance door
1872
01:32:20,380 --> 01:32:23,510
That a security guard
sat at 24 hours a day.
1873
01:32:23,550 --> 01:32:25,600
They had to stay there,
sleep there.
1874
01:32:25,630 --> 01:32:29,020
It stunk and,
you know, there were ants
crawling around.
1875
01:32:29,050 --> 01:32:31,300
You'd sleep about an hour
or two hours a night.
1876
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:33,640
Um, you were
in such a mental state
1877
01:32:33,690 --> 01:32:36,360
That you're very controllable,
very suggestible.
1878
01:32:36,390 --> 01:32:38,930
We were told
we needed to come up
1879
01:32:38,950 --> 01:32:41,310
With what
each other's crimes were
1880
01:32:41,370 --> 01:32:43,150
Against miscavige and hubbard,
1881
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:45,150
So that we could eventually
get out of the hole.
1882
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:47,570
Scientology is really good
1883
01:32:47,610 --> 01:32:49,960
At making you think
that you are a scoundrel.
1884
01:32:49,990 --> 01:32:53,380
"confess your crimes!
Confess your crimes!
What have you done?"
1885
01:32:53,410 --> 01:32:54,490
Fights would break out.
1886
01:32:54,550 --> 01:32:57,330
Miscavige would get me
all riled up.
1887
01:32:57,380 --> 01:32:59,450
And i remember one time,
mike had done something,
1888
01:32:59,470 --> 01:33:01,300
Or not done something,
i don't remember,
1889
01:33:01,340 --> 01:33:03,250
And i was supposed to
go beat him up.
1890
01:33:03,290 --> 01:33:05,500
One executive was made
to mop up
1891
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:07,420
The bathroom floor
with his tongue.
1892
01:33:07,460 --> 01:33:10,290
Another was put
into a bucket,
1893
01:33:10,310 --> 01:33:13,260
And pummeled
by some of the women,
and called a lesbian.
1894
01:33:13,300 --> 01:33:16,320
There was a very powerful
air conditioner,
1895
01:33:16,350 --> 01:33:17,800
Which blew straight down,
1896
01:33:17,820 --> 01:33:19,900
It was set
on maximum cold,
1897
01:33:19,940 --> 01:33:22,070
And a guy was
made to sit in a chair,
1898
01:33:22,110 --> 01:33:23,740
And had water
poured on his head
1899
01:33:23,780 --> 01:33:27,030
Until he literally
turned blue.
1900
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:29,200
Miscavige slapped me
across the face,
1901
01:33:29,250 --> 01:33:30,980
Knocked me on the ground,
kicked me a couple times.
1902
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:33,250
Flailing fists,
kneeing him in the stomach,
1903
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:34,750
Getting him on the floor.
1904
01:33:34,790 --> 01:33:39,320
And you think,
you want to get up
and retaliate,
1905
01:33:39,340 --> 01:33:42,340
But you also think,
"i got 75 other people
1906
01:33:42,380 --> 01:33:46,680
"who are all likely
to tackle me if i did"...
1907
01:33:46,710 --> 01:33:50,430
And then you got
the sheer shock of it.
1908
01:33:50,470 --> 01:33:52,270
Here's the equivalent
of the pope
1909
01:33:52,300 --> 01:33:54,670
Suddenly knocking you
on the ground,
1910
01:33:54,690 --> 01:33:56,270
And you're thinking,
1911
01:33:56,310 --> 01:34:00,030
"i must have
really screwed up."
1912
01:34:01,980 --> 01:34:03,950
It was
a poisonous environment.
1913
01:34:03,980 --> 01:34:06,150
People were
really frightened.
1914
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:08,650
And this went on for years.
1915
01:34:08,690 --> 01:34:10,820
This isn't a couple of days.
1916
01:34:10,870 --> 01:34:13,360
The nominal president
of the church,
1917
01:34:13,370 --> 01:34:14,710
This man
named heber jentszch,
1918
01:34:14,740 --> 01:34:16,380
He was in there
for seven years.
1919
01:34:16,410 --> 01:34:17,960
What is the statement?
1920
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:19,860
"god helps those
who help themselves."
1921
01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:21,410
Well, in scientology,
we're engaged
1922
01:34:21,470 --> 01:34:23,130
In helping people
help themselves,
1923
01:34:23,170 --> 01:34:27,220
So they can
fully comprehend
and understand god.
1924
01:34:34,060 --> 01:34:35,900
One night,
1925
01:34:35,930 --> 01:34:38,810
Miscavige comes
into the hole with a boom box.
1926
01:34:38,850 --> 01:34:42,320
He said, "i'm gonna
teach you all a lesson.
1927
01:34:42,350 --> 01:34:44,850
"we're all gonna play
musical chairs."
1928
01:34:44,890 --> 01:34:46,490
And musical chairs
is a scientology
1929
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:48,360
Administrative term
for when you move people
1930
01:34:48,390 --> 01:34:51,780
From different posts rapidly,
and you create instability.
1931
01:34:51,830 --> 01:34:53,110
They played
the damned music.
1932
01:34:58,290 --> 01:34:59,740
He said,
"we're gonna play it
1933
01:34:59,750 --> 01:35:01,920
To 'bohemian rhapsody'
by queen."
1934
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:03,510
And he emphasized the line...
1935
01:35:05,540 --> 01:35:07,960
..."nothing matters anymore."
and that's your whole attitude,
1936
01:35:08,010 --> 01:35:09,680
That's where you live,
that's who you are.
1937
01:35:09,710 --> 01:35:10,960
Playing that music,
and stop it,
1938
01:35:11,020 --> 01:35:12,550
And everyone would
have to grab a chair.
1939
01:35:12,580 --> 01:35:14,580
And there's one person
left standing.
1940
01:35:22,190 --> 01:35:24,140
What miscavige
has warned them
1941
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:27,400
Is that the last person
who remains gets to stay.
1942
01:35:27,430 --> 01:35:28,760
"everybody else,
you're expelled.
1943
01:35:28,780 --> 01:35:30,480
"you're going to be thrown out
of the sea org."
1944
01:35:30,540 --> 01:35:35,070
These people were fighting
to stay in the hole.
1945
01:35:35,110 --> 01:35:38,110
Throwing people around,
scratching, kicking.
1946
01:35:38,130 --> 01:35:41,080
They're tearing chairs apart,
they're ripping clothing.
1947
01:35:41,110 --> 01:35:42,380
And whatever it took.
1948
01:35:48,340 --> 01:35:51,720
But then nothing happens.
1949
01:35:56,790 --> 01:36:00,060
"out of the goodness
of my heart, you can stay.
1950
01:36:00,100 --> 01:36:02,260
"but you better come clean.
You better--
1951
01:36:02,300 --> 01:36:04,480
"i better have some good
confessions out of you."
1952
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:08,150
I-- i mean, you--
you know...
1953
01:36:08,190 --> 01:36:11,360
As much as they
get into everything
that you ever think or do,
1954
01:36:11,410 --> 01:36:13,910
They never got into my think
on this score,
1955
01:36:13,950 --> 01:36:16,330
That i would never
go to prison.
1956
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:19,500
And so it was inevitable,
when i got-- when i--
1957
01:36:19,530 --> 01:36:22,080
He literally created
this prison camp.
1958
01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:26,120
Um, it was inevitable
that i wasn't gonna
last there.
1959
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:34,380
It's embarrassing to have
ever been involved with,
1960
01:36:34,430 --> 01:36:35,970
To think about it.
1961
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:38,050
"god, i can't even believe
i'm talkin' about it."
1962
01:36:38,100 --> 01:36:39,640
But it was bad.
1963
01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:44,710
Let's say the fbi
showed up at the hole,
1964
01:36:44,740 --> 01:36:47,110
And said, "this is the fbi.
We're lettin' everyone out."
1965
01:36:47,140 --> 01:36:49,780
Do you think everyone
would have said, "oh,
thank god, the fbi's here"?
1966
01:36:49,810 --> 01:36:52,530
No. I think that everybody,
one for one,
1967
01:36:52,570 --> 01:36:54,650
Would have gone,
"what do you mean?
1968
01:36:54,690 --> 01:36:56,870
"we-- we're doing this
voluntarily.
1969
01:36:56,900 --> 01:36:59,370
"we like living
in these conditions."
1970
01:36:59,410 --> 01:37:00,790
Over the past week,
1971
01:37:00,830 --> 01:37:02,570
We've been reporting on
allegations of physical abuse
1972
01:37:02,630 --> 01:37:03,990
Inside
the church of scientology.
1973
01:37:04,050 --> 01:37:06,130
We spoke with the ex-wives
of some of the men
1974
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:07,580
Making the claims of abuse.
1975
01:37:07,630 --> 01:37:09,300
I read all of your affidavits.
1976
01:37:09,330 --> 01:37:11,330
Obviously, your ex-husbands
have made charges
1977
01:37:11,370 --> 01:37:12,800
Against david miscavige,
1978
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:15,550
Saying that
they have seen repeated acts
of physical violence
1979
01:37:15,590 --> 01:37:16,840
Perpetrated by mr. Miscavige.
1980
01:37:16,870 --> 01:37:18,970
Is-- is any of that true?
1981
01:37:19,010 --> 01:37:21,510
No. No.
Not one ounce of it.
1982
01:37:21,550 --> 01:37:24,180
That's not the character
of mr. David miscavige.
1983
01:37:24,210 --> 01:37:27,520
My ex-wife,
marty rathbun's ex-wife,
1984
01:37:27,550 --> 01:37:31,240
Tom de vocht's ex-wife,
that were on "anderson cooper,"
1985
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:33,570
They all came out of the hole!
1986
01:37:33,610 --> 01:37:36,160
They were all sent there
to do that.
1987
01:37:36,190 --> 01:37:38,410
They went back to the hole!
1988
01:37:38,450 --> 01:37:40,200
It's just ridiculous.
1989
01:37:40,230 --> 01:37:42,700
This line
that my ex-wife said...
1990
01:37:42,730 --> 01:37:45,750
I lived with mike rinder
for over 35 years.
1991
01:37:45,790 --> 01:37:48,040
I know every square inch
of mike rinder's body.
1992
01:37:48,070 --> 01:37:50,870
She said it
because she was told
to say it by miscavige.
1993
01:37:50,910 --> 01:37:54,010
And the proof of that is,
when tom de vocht's ex-wife
1994
01:37:54,050 --> 01:37:57,880
Then repeated the same thing
over again...
1995
01:37:57,920 --> 01:37:59,930
I know every inch of him.
1996
01:37:59,970 --> 01:38:01,720
You gotta be kidding me!
1997
01:38:01,750 --> 01:38:02,850
Everything that happens
1998
01:38:02,890 --> 01:38:04,720
From the church of scientology
is scripted.
1999
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:06,770
Don't ever turn
the other cheek and acquiesce,
2000
01:38:06,810 --> 01:38:08,560
Hit 'em back.
2001
01:38:08,590 --> 01:38:12,780
Marty rathbun
suddenly went and leapt
on top of mike rinder
2002
01:38:12,810 --> 01:38:14,560
And fought him to the ground
2003
01:38:14,600 --> 01:38:17,120
And started choking him
and beating him.
2004
01:38:17,150 --> 01:38:19,120
And nothing seems
to have been done about it.
2005
01:38:19,150 --> 01:38:21,040
Mr. Miscavige was not
at the property at the time.
2006
01:38:21,070 --> 01:38:22,540
Do you not have telephones?
2007
01:38:22,570 --> 01:38:24,070
Of course we have telephones.
2008
01:38:24,110 --> 01:38:26,410
I think
you're being quite rude
and quite insulting.
2009
01:38:26,440 --> 01:38:28,610
Here's the bottom line.
Here's the bottom line--
2010
01:38:28,630 --> 01:38:31,160
There is no history
of violence in the church.
2011
01:38:31,220 --> 01:38:34,080
As somebody who ran pr
for the church for a long time,
2012
01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:37,720
Do you have any regret
for anything that you did
in that capacity?
2013
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:40,170
Well,
i think the biggest regret
2014
01:38:40,220 --> 01:38:44,640
Is when john sweeney
at "panorama" was doing
his program,
2015
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:47,010
It was the culmination
of a lot--
2016
01:38:47,060 --> 01:38:49,430
I mean, i'd been
in the hole for a year.
2017
01:38:49,470 --> 01:38:52,520
And i ended up
being sent to england.
2018
01:38:52,570 --> 01:38:55,100
Hi, mike.
He was
constantly going,
2019
01:38:55,140 --> 01:38:58,610
"well, why do you
have private investigators
following me?"
2020
01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:00,740
I'm like...
That never happened!
2021
01:39:00,780 --> 01:39:02,310
Ever, ever happened!
2022
01:39:02,330 --> 01:39:03,860
And of course there were.
2023
01:39:03,910 --> 01:39:05,660
I was following john sweeney.
2024
01:39:05,700 --> 01:39:08,370
Oh, there it is.
2025
01:39:08,420 --> 01:39:11,340
Okay, there we are.
2026
01:39:11,370 --> 01:39:13,040
He's got his camera,
2027
01:39:13,090 --> 01:39:14,840
He's standing there
and he's saying,
2028
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:18,290
"i want a response.
I have credible witnesses.
2029
01:39:18,330 --> 01:39:22,600
"did david miscavige
physically assault you?"
2030
01:39:22,630 --> 01:39:23,850
And i said...
2031
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:28,350
Those allegations
are absolute, utter rubbish.
2032
01:39:28,440 --> 01:39:31,140
Absolute, utter rubbish.
2033
01:39:31,180 --> 01:39:33,030
You have been assaulted
by miscavige?
2034
01:39:33,060 --> 01:39:35,440
Many times, many times.
2035
01:39:35,480 --> 01:39:38,480
Perhaps more
than anybody else.
2036
01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:42,700
I was now sort of
2037
01:39:42,740 --> 01:39:45,700
At the end of my rope.
2038
01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:50,490
It was a real moment
of clarity for me--
2039
01:39:50,530 --> 01:39:52,860
"i don't want
to be doing this anymore.
2040
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:54,910
"this is nuts!"
2041
01:39:54,970 --> 01:39:59,640
That was actually
the last thing that i did
before i left.
2042
01:40:09,710 --> 01:40:13,770
So i'd been in scientology
about two and a half years.
2043
01:40:13,820 --> 01:40:16,020
I am kickin' ass.
2044
01:40:16,050 --> 01:40:19,660
I felt like i had gotten out
of the fuckin' trap.
2045
01:40:19,690 --> 01:40:22,360
I didn't have to
have a problem.
2046
01:40:22,410 --> 01:40:24,690
I said,
"i'm done with auditing."
2047
01:40:24,730 --> 01:40:27,660
But they insisted
on gettin' me back,
2048
01:40:27,700 --> 01:40:30,420
And said just,
"believe us, believe us,
believe us."
2049
01:40:30,450 --> 01:40:33,170
I got so fucked up.
2050
01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:36,070
I mean, they-- they--
i went insane.
2051
01:40:36,090 --> 01:40:39,120
I was, like,
stuck somewhere
2052
01:40:39,180 --> 01:40:41,930
In a tiny spot
behind my eyeballs,
2053
01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:44,800
Looking this way.
2054
01:40:44,850 --> 01:40:48,300
I mean, i--
i'd never experienced
anything like it.
2055
01:40:48,350 --> 01:40:51,190
10 fuckin' years!
2056
01:40:52,110 --> 01:40:55,690
I was worse than the day
that i walked in.
2057
01:40:55,730 --> 01:40:58,530
It was by design,
'cause they needed to--
2058
01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:00,530
To keep me in there.
2059
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:02,230
So basically, they had to
2060
01:41:02,270 --> 01:41:04,900
Put a whole new case on me,
so they could run it.
2061
01:41:04,940 --> 01:41:08,450
And they just kept tryin'
to fuckin' keep me stuck in.
2062
01:41:08,490 --> 01:41:09,940
It was crazy!
2063
01:41:09,970 --> 01:41:15,080
So i finally said,
"i'm going my way.
You guys go yours."
2064
01:41:15,110 --> 01:41:18,960
I was pissed. I was sad.
I was disillusioned.
2065
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:22,220
And i thought,
"maybe somebody
could interview me,
2066
01:41:22,250 --> 01:41:24,950
"ask me some questions
about scientology."
2067
01:41:24,970 --> 01:41:29,120
How i got into scientology,
and why i got out.
2068
01:41:29,140 --> 01:41:30,930
Post this two-hour thing,
2069
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:33,760
And it was the #1 thing
on youtube for two days
2070
01:41:33,810 --> 01:41:35,800
Before
it "mysteriously" disappeared.
2071
01:41:35,820 --> 01:41:37,020
The best traps--
2072
01:41:37,070 --> 01:41:39,600
You get a guy to just
keep himself in jail.
2073
01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:42,770
Right? And that's
what scientology does.
2074
01:41:42,810 --> 01:41:45,270
I started getting
all this communication
2075
01:41:45,310 --> 01:41:46,910
Because of that video.
2076
01:41:46,940 --> 01:41:49,980
You know,
"you saved my family."
2077
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:51,950
You know, "you've--
i finally had the courage
2078
01:41:51,980 --> 01:41:54,150
"to leave
after i watched your thing."
2079
01:41:54,170 --> 01:41:58,790
You know?
I mean, like,
there's blood and tears.
2080
01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:00,840
And then
i started to find out,
2081
01:42:00,870 --> 01:42:03,160
You know, all the stuff
that was really happening.
2082
01:42:03,180 --> 01:42:05,290
You know, i lost money,
i got fucked,
2083
01:42:05,330 --> 01:42:08,660
But then i found out
about the abuse
in the sea org.
2084
01:42:08,680 --> 01:42:11,670
And i felt like, "fuck me,
i gotta do somethin' about it."
2085
01:42:11,690 --> 01:42:14,440
And i finally
tracked down marty rathbun.
2086
01:42:14,470 --> 01:42:16,170
Everybody thought
he was dead.
2087
01:42:16,190 --> 01:42:18,640
He was in fuckin' mexico.
And i went down there,
2088
01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:20,680
And i basically
convinced him to talk.
2089
01:42:20,690 --> 01:42:22,510
And, like,
"we gotta do somethin'."
2090
01:42:22,530 --> 01:42:24,150
And then he started his blog.
2091
01:42:28,190 --> 01:42:30,120
There was
a beating every day.
2092
01:42:30,150 --> 01:42:31,450
And if it wasn't him doin' it,
2093
01:42:31,490 --> 01:42:35,370
It was from him inciting others
to do it to others.
2094
01:42:35,410 --> 01:42:37,210
I think that it's a cult.
2095
01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:39,630
I'm doin' my own thing,
i want to get on with my life.
2096
01:42:39,660 --> 01:42:41,500
I am telling the truth.
2097
01:42:41,530 --> 01:42:43,750
Suddenly i heard
senior members of the church
2098
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:45,370
Were speaking out,
2099
01:42:45,390 --> 01:42:49,000
So i started to look,
and i started to read.
2100
01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:51,010
And then i started
to reach out to people.
2101
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:54,180
Two of my daughters are gay,
and told me
2102
01:42:54,210 --> 01:42:57,560
How they'd been treated
within the church.
I didn't know.
2103
01:42:57,650 --> 01:43:00,400
Paul haggis's daughters
were openly harassed
2104
01:43:00,480 --> 01:43:02,480
By church members
for being gay.
2105
01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:04,690
Investigating further,
haggis discovered
2106
01:43:04,720 --> 01:43:07,820
That church doctrine
viewed homosexuality
as a disease
2107
01:43:07,860 --> 01:43:10,490
That only hubbard's teachings
could cure.
2108
01:43:10,530 --> 01:43:12,660
And a california
chapter of scientology
2109
01:43:12,700 --> 01:43:15,830
Had supported a ban
on gay marriage.
2110
01:43:15,870 --> 01:43:18,030
I can't be part
of an organization
2111
01:43:18,070 --> 01:43:21,340
That doesn't support
2112
01:43:21,370 --> 01:43:23,590
Human rights for everyone.
2113
01:43:25,930 --> 01:43:29,260
So i sent a letter
to 25 friends in the church
2114
01:43:29,300 --> 01:43:31,010
That i was resigning.
2115
01:43:31,050 --> 01:43:33,470
And i'd hoped
they'd read this letter
2116
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:37,890
And be horrified
by the things i'd found out.
2117
01:43:41,940 --> 01:43:44,390
A few days later,
i drive home.
2118
01:43:44,430 --> 01:43:46,650
There have to be 10 people
standing in my front yard.
2119
01:43:46,700 --> 01:43:49,030
I recognize them.
They're my friends.
2120
01:43:49,070 --> 01:43:51,930
They said, "paul,
we need you to tear up
this letter.
2121
01:43:51,950 --> 01:43:54,150
"and we need you
to get all the copies
and tear them up,
2122
01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:56,120
"and resign quietly."
2123
01:43:56,160 --> 01:43:58,240
I said, "i don't do that."
you know?
2124
01:43:58,280 --> 01:43:59,770
"i'm sorry.
I don't do that."
2125
01:43:59,790 --> 01:44:02,540
I sent a copy
to marty rathbun.
2126
01:44:02,580 --> 01:44:05,160
He put it on his blog,
one page on a day,
2127
01:44:05,220 --> 01:44:08,330
And didn't reveal my name
until the friday.
2128
01:44:08,390 --> 01:44:10,390
Monday morning, i woke up.
2129
01:44:10,420 --> 01:44:14,460
600 of the top newspapers
of the world had it.
2130
01:44:14,480 --> 01:44:16,640
You know,
it was in bulgaria.
2131
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:20,600
i mean, it was reprinted
in seven languages.
2132
01:44:20,630 --> 01:44:23,100
I went, "oh my god,
what have i done?"
2133
01:44:23,130 --> 01:44:26,570
I mean-- it did garner
a lot of interest.
2134
01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:28,190
People will judge you,
one way or the other.
2135
01:44:28,240 --> 01:44:31,640
I figured
people would judge me
as really stupid.
2136
01:44:31,660 --> 01:44:33,980
But then,
i was really stupid.
2137
01:44:33,990 --> 01:44:38,650
I was a part of this
for 30 years before
i spoke out.
2138
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:42,330
I felt deeply ashamed.
2139
01:44:42,370 --> 01:44:46,290
Why didn't i do it earlier?
Why didn't i look earlier?
2140
01:44:49,210 --> 01:44:52,460
People are so indoctrinated,
2141
01:44:52,500 --> 01:44:55,960
And have been in scientology
a really long, long time.
2142
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:58,970
Or they've grown up in it,
and they don't know
anything else.
2143
01:44:59,000 --> 01:45:03,970
It's so scary to them
to have to start all over,
2144
01:45:04,010 --> 01:45:06,510
And it takes
a really strong person
2145
01:45:06,530 --> 01:45:08,690
To stand up to them
and say no.
2146
01:45:10,360 --> 01:45:12,350
In 2009,
2147
01:45:12,370 --> 01:45:16,030
My son was on staff
at the church.
2148
01:45:16,070 --> 01:45:18,790
And "the truth rundown"
came out in the
"st. Pete times,"
2149
01:45:18,820 --> 01:45:21,360
Exposing what was going on
2150
01:45:21,380 --> 01:45:25,380
With the beatings,
people in the hole.
2151
01:45:25,410 --> 01:45:26,910
The church was very mad
at my son,
2152
01:45:26,960 --> 01:45:28,750
Because he knew
it was going to happen,
2153
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:30,670
And he didn't tell them.
2154
01:45:30,700 --> 01:45:33,300
And he didn't tell them
because he had a good friend
2155
01:45:33,340 --> 01:45:35,640
That became friends
with mike rinder
2156
01:45:35,670 --> 01:45:37,560
And marty rathbun,
2157
01:45:37,590 --> 01:45:40,930
And he believed
what they were saying
in "the truth rundown."
2158
01:45:43,230 --> 01:45:45,350
The church was threatening,
2159
01:45:45,380 --> 01:45:48,180
That he was gonna get declared
a suppressive person
2160
01:45:48,220 --> 01:45:51,600
If he didn't disconnect
from his friend.
2161
01:45:51,660 --> 01:45:54,190
My son, he was raised
a scientologist,
2162
01:45:54,220 --> 01:45:56,580
You know,
and he'd been on staff.
2163
01:45:56,610 --> 01:45:58,440
He made 30 bucks a week.
2164
01:45:58,500 --> 01:46:00,280
He headed up
their boy scout troop.
2165
01:46:00,330 --> 01:46:04,030
He was like
this consummate youth
of scientology.
2166
01:46:04,070 --> 01:46:08,120
The continental justice chief
called him on the phone.
2167
01:46:08,170 --> 01:46:10,570
And it was after that
the declare came down,
2168
01:46:10,590 --> 01:46:13,260
And he was just devastated.
2169
01:46:13,290 --> 01:46:17,180
The church told his friends
everything they could find
2170
01:46:17,210 --> 01:46:21,300
In his pc folder
to ruin his reputation.
2171
01:46:21,350 --> 01:46:24,050
I wrote this petition.
2172
01:46:24,090 --> 01:46:28,860
I tried to put in everything
good that my son had done.
2173
01:46:28,890 --> 01:46:30,440
"dear sarah,
thank you for the letter
2174
01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:33,560
"that you sent
regarding the situation
with nick lister.
2175
01:46:33,600 --> 01:46:38,600
"i cannot approve
that you continue
your connection with nick."
2176
01:46:38,620 --> 01:46:41,570
No one's gonna tell me
when i can and can't
speak to him.
2177
01:46:41,610 --> 01:46:44,710
No one, but me.
2178
01:46:44,740 --> 01:46:47,880
"your committee
of evidence findings
and recommendations
2179
01:46:47,910 --> 01:46:50,710
"recommended you
be labeled suppressive,
2180
01:46:50,750 --> 01:46:53,500
"engaging in malicious
rumor mongering
2181
01:46:53,550 --> 01:46:57,140
"to destroy the authority
or repute of higher officers
2182
01:46:57,170 --> 01:47:00,470
"or the leading names
of scientology."
2183
01:47:00,510 --> 01:47:02,640
My husband
was charged with that one,
2184
01:47:02,680 --> 01:47:04,260
Because he was telling me
2185
01:47:04,290 --> 01:47:07,300
What he read on the internet
about david miscavige.
2186
01:47:07,310 --> 01:47:09,680
They say,
"don't go on the internet,
don't read.
2187
01:47:09,730 --> 01:47:11,100
"don't go to these sites."
2188
01:47:11,130 --> 01:47:14,640
From the time
that i got in,
2189
01:47:14,660 --> 01:47:18,360
For 30 years, i never read
one critical thing
about scientology.
2190
01:47:18,410 --> 01:47:21,080
When i finally decided
to open my eyes and look,
2191
01:47:21,110 --> 01:47:23,360
I was shocked,
just shocked.
2192
01:47:23,410 --> 01:47:25,480
But if you're a member
of the church of scientology,
2193
01:47:25,500 --> 01:47:29,330
And someone in your family,
or a friend, or your spouse,
2194
01:47:29,370 --> 01:47:32,920
Is skeptical or critical
of the church of scientology,
2195
01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:36,040
You are supposed to disconnect
yourself from that person...
2196
01:47:36,090 --> 01:47:39,680
Tommy davis,
who was the spokesperson
for the church,
2197
01:47:39,710 --> 01:47:43,720
He's being asked about
the policy of disconnection.
2198
01:47:43,770 --> 01:47:46,380
Anything that's characterized
as disconnection
2199
01:47:46,440 --> 01:47:48,550
Or this kinda thing,
it's just-- it's just not true.
2200
01:47:48,610 --> 01:47:51,140
There isn't...
I confronted him
about this.
2201
01:47:51,170 --> 01:47:54,190
And i said,
"tommy, i don't need
to search outside to ask for--
2202
01:47:54,230 --> 01:47:56,530
"to check research
and see if other--
2203
01:47:56,560 --> 01:47:58,730
"this has happened
to other people.
This happened to my wife.
2204
01:47:58,780 --> 01:48:01,650
"you asked her and me
to disconnect from her parents
2205
01:48:01,690 --> 01:48:04,120
"because of something trivial
they did years ago."
2206
01:48:04,150 --> 01:48:06,120
My wife disconnected from me,
2207
01:48:06,160 --> 01:48:09,210
My daughter,
my son, my brother,
2208
01:48:09,240 --> 01:48:11,210
My sister, my mother,
2209
01:48:11,240 --> 01:48:13,040
All of my nieces
and nephews.
2210
01:48:13,080 --> 01:48:15,550
And that is the only family
that i have.
2211
01:48:15,580 --> 01:48:17,720
You know, you label
these people suppressive
2212
01:48:17,750 --> 01:48:19,830
So that, you know,
everybody automatically--
2213
01:48:19,870 --> 01:48:22,170
They're discredited,
and they must disconnect
from them.
2214
01:48:22,210 --> 01:48:24,640
And that's how you keep
people in a bubble.
2215
01:48:24,680 --> 01:48:27,140
And that's what they do.
I mean, my son was declared
2216
01:48:27,180 --> 01:48:28,590
Because he wouldn't disconnect
from his friend.
2217
01:48:28,650 --> 01:48:30,650
I was declared,
and my husband was declared
2218
01:48:30,680 --> 01:48:32,600
Because we wouldn't
disconnect from my son.
2219
01:48:32,650 --> 01:48:34,350
And now guess what happened?
2220
01:48:34,380 --> 01:48:38,190
Everyone connected to us
just scatters to the wind.
2221
01:48:38,220 --> 01:48:40,360
Through all of this time,
2222
01:48:40,390 --> 01:48:43,660
I have a daughter
who's very much
into the church.
2223
01:48:43,690 --> 01:48:46,730
I have a granddaughter
2224
01:48:46,760 --> 01:48:50,200
Who's the love of my life,
and who loves her nana.
2225
01:48:50,230 --> 01:48:53,070
I was planning on talking
to my daughter,
2226
01:48:53,100 --> 01:48:56,170
And trying to tell her
what was really happening.
2227
01:48:56,210 --> 01:48:59,720
She hugged me,
she told me she loved me.
2228
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:02,810
She said, "i have to
disconnect from you."
2229
01:49:08,190 --> 01:49:11,320
So, um...
2230
01:49:17,160 --> 01:49:20,860
I just was concentrating
on smelling her hair
2231
01:49:20,900 --> 01:49:23,670
And seeing the way she felt,
2232
01:49:23,700 --> 01:49:26,330
Touching her skin
on my face.
2233
01:49:29,120 --> 01:49:32,010
That's the last time
i saw them.
2234
01:49:36,680 --> 01:49:38,680
It really is the crux
2235
01:49:38,720 --> 01:49:42,800
Of how controlling
is any religion
2236
01:49:42,850 --> 01:49:45,140
Over its adherents,
2237
01:49:45,190 --> 01:49:48,060
And scientology
has perfected
2238
01:49:48,090 --> 01:49:51,440
A lot of
techniques of control.
2239
01:49:51,480 --> 01:49:55,100
There is
no logical explanation
2240
01:49:55,120 --> 01:49:58,730
As to why,
other than faith.
2241
01:49:58,790 --> 01:50:01,100
Your future, your eternity,
2242
01:50:01,120 --> 01:50:04,290
All depends on
you going up the bridge.
2243
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:08,330
It's scary.
It's kinda like
christianity with hell.
2244
01:50:08,380 --> 01:50:10,330
If they don't have the bridge,
they can't go free.
2245
01:50:10,380 --> 01:50:14,280
They don't believe
they can get it anywhere else.
2246
01:50:14,300 --> 01:50:16,330
It's like brainwashing.
Really simple.
2247
01:50:16,390 --> 01:50:18,640
I mean,
that's a scary word,
2248
01:50:18,670 --> 01:50:21,560
And it took me a long time
2249
01:50:21,590 --> 01:50:24,640
To come to that conclusion,
that that's what's occurred.
2250
01:50:24,680 --> 01:50:27,150
You take on
2251
01:50:27,180 --> 01:50:30,630
A kind of a--
a matrix of thought
2252
01:50:30,650 --> 01:50:35,150
That is not your own.
2253
01:50:35,190 --> 01:50:38,140
I think that's how i
and other people got involved
2254
01:50:38,160 --> 01:50:40,190
And stuck through it
for so long.
2255
01:50:40,240 --> 01:50:42,280
Because when you're out,
you look at it,
2256
01:50:42,310 --> 01:50:45,860
And you go,
"what the crap
was i thinking," you know?
2257
01:50:45,920 --> 01:50:47,670
It's such a hard thing
when you do wake up.
2258
01:50:47,700 --> 01:50:49,580
You go, "oh my god."
2259
01:50:49,620 --> 01:50:52,090
Because you have this wave
of regrets.
2260
01:50:52,120 --> 01:50:56,210
I just started to think
that maybe my entire life
2261
01:50:56,260 --> 01:50:58,130
Has been a lie.
2262
01:50:58,160 --> 01:51:00,630
You just don't see it
happening to you.
2263
01:51:00,660 --> 01:51:03,630
You justify so much.
2264
01:51:03,670 --> 01:51:07,500
Cults, they prey on people,
suggesting that, you know,
2265
01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:09,440
You should be able
to think for yourself
2266
01:51:09,470 --> 01:51:13,220
And then tell you exactly
how you have to think,
or get out.
2267
01:51:13,280 --> 01:51:16,900
And if you get out,
there will be consequences.
2268
01:51:16,950 --> 01:51:18,650
Come on, marty.
Got anything to say?
2269
01:51:18,680 --> 01:51:20,570
What's your name?
Why don't you answer
his question?
2270
01:51:20,620 --> 01:51:24,320
Beat it. I said get off
my property, boy.
2271
01:51:24,350 --> 01:51:27,240
The real sustained campaign
2272
01:51:27,290 --> 01:51:29,520
Began in early 2009
2273
01:51:29,540 --> 01:51:33,240
When i spoke to
the "st. Petersburg times."
2274
01:51:33,300 --> 01:51:36,460
And i'd been hounded
and hunted like wild prey.
2275
01:51:36,500 --> 01:51:40,300
It's a policy of
the office of special affairs
2276
01:51:40,340 --> 01:51:42,220
Authored by l. Ron hubbard.
2277
01:51:42,260 --> 01:51:44,260
When somebody's speaking out
against scientology,
2278
01:51:44,310 --> 01:51:46,870
Investigate to find out
who the instigator is.
2279
01:51:46,890 --> 01:51:48,590
I started getting calls
from the church,
2280
01:51:48,650 --> 01:51:53,150
And they're-- they're really,
uh, comin' after me.
2281
01:51:53,180 --> 01:51:55,150
They showed up
at my mother's house.
2282
01:51:55,190 --> 01:51:57,070
The feeling in the pit
of your stomach
2283
01:51:57,100 --> 01:51:59,220
Knowing that scientology's
chief dirty-tricks pi
2284
01:51:59,240 --> 01:52:01,560
Was just
on my mother's front step.
2285
01:52:01,580 --> 01:52:04,330
They've tried to destroy me,
there's no question.
2286
01:52:04,360 --> 01:52:06,610
They create
anonymous websites about me,
2287
01:52:06,660 --> 01:52:09,160
And smear me
with a lot of garbage.
2288
01:52:09,200 --> 01:52:11,580
Www.Whoistomdevocht.Com.
2289
01:52:11,620 --> 01:52:13,400
Whoispaulhaggis.Com.
2290
01:52:13,420 --> 01:52:15,790
"paul haggis,
the hypocrite of hollywood."
2291
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:19,510
"this guy is a sex pervert,"
or "this guy's a drug dealer."
2292
01:52:19,540 --> 01:52:21,260
In the meantime,
2293
01:52:21,290 --> 01:52:25,300
Survey carefully
to find out what
he most values and protects.
2294
01:52:25,350 --> 01:52:27,520
Immediately draw up
a three-prong program
2295
01:52:27,550 --> 01:52:30,250
To threaten it effectively.
2296
01:52:30,270 --> 01:52:34,610
I don't value anything
more than monique.
2297
01:52:34,640 --> 01:52:38,610
That's why this campaign
ended up on our doorstep.
2298
01:52:38,650 --> 01:52:40,450
Was she there?
2299
01:52:40,480 --> 01:52:44,450
I knew they had
their goons around.
2300
01:52:44,480 --> 01:52:49,540
And then the guy
rolls down in window
and i saw the truck.
2301
01:52:49,570 --> 01:52:51,910
And he starts filming,
and i go,
2302
01:52:51,940 --> 01:52:54,110
"okay, this is not good."
2303
01:52:54,130 --> 01:52:55,610
What's goin' on?
2304
01:52:55,630 --> 01:52:57,500
Oh, we're just doing
a documentary.
2305
01:52:57,550 --> 01:52:58,750
A documentary?
2306
01:52:58,780 --> 01:53:01,000
Oh, a former
scientology deal.
2307
01:53:01,050 --> 01:53:03,170
But it would
probably be a good idea
if y'all went ahead--
2308
01:53:03,220 --> 01:53:04,720
Now that you've gotten
what you need,
2309
01:53:04,750 --> 01:53:06,300
Go ahead and leave the area.
Sure.
2310
01:53:06,340 --> 01:53:08,060
Okay?
2311
01:53:08,090 --> 01:53:09,290
I don't know
who these people are.
2312
01:53:09,310 --> 01:53:11,290
I don't know
what they're capable of.
2313
01:53:11,310 --> 01:53:14,630
And now that i have my son...
2314
01:53:14,650 --> 01:53:18,850
I have
a little louisville slugger
i keep next to me.
2315
01:53:18,900 --> 01:53:23,270
It's been a nonstop onslaught,
for five years.
2316
01:53:23,320 --> 01:53:24,770
I told you to leave.
Get out of here.
2317
01:53:24,810 --> 01:53:26,320
Oh no, i'm leaving.
2318
01:53:26,360 --> 01:53:27,780
You can't even
defend yourself
on this can you?
2319
01:53:27,810 --> 01:53:29,310
What's your name?
2320
01:53:29,330 --> 01:53:30,780
I gave you my name, marty.
What's your name?
2321
01:53:30,830 --> 01:53:32,500
Marty, i gave you my name.
2322
01:53:32,530 --> 01:53:35,620
The people on marty's doorstep
were sent by scientology
2323
01:53:35,650 --> 01:53:38,150
Because the church
had branded marty a "squirrel,"
2324
01:53:38,170 --> 01:53:40,670
A term invented by hubbard
for former members
2325
01:53:40,710 --> 01:53:42,490
Who threatened
church teachings.
2326
01:53:42,510 --> 01:53:44,160
David miscavige had you
come all the way from...
2327
01:53:44,180 --> 01:53:45,460
Marty.
...San jose.
2328
01:53:46,800 --> 01:53:48,300
Marty!
Man #2: You can't do that.
2329
01:53:48,330 --> 01:53:49,710
You can't do that, marty!
I just did it.
2330
01:53:49,770 --> 01:53:50,830
No, that's my
personal property, marty.
2331
01:53:50,850 --> 01:53:52,680
Yeah, that's right.
2332
01:53:52,720 --> 01:53:54,520
I got arrested, man.
2333
01:53:54,550 --> 01:53:57,360
I got arrested for grabbing
this guy's glasses.
2334
01:53:57,390 --> 01:53:59,170
I said, "don't look at her."
you understand that?
2335
01:53:59,190 --> 01:54:01,230
Yeah.
I heard her.
2336
01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:03,730
Of course, the guy had been
stalking monique for two years.
2337
01:54:03,780 --> 01:54:05,980
He looks
like a leering pervert,
2338
01:54:06,020 --> 01:54:08,650
Like norman bates
from "psycho."
2339
01:54:08,690 --> 01:54:11,450
I didn't break his glasses.
2340
01:54:11,490 --> 01:54:15,290
I just removed them
from his-- from his face.
2341
01:54:19,380 --> 01:54:23,130
They got it all on videotape
from their surveillance house
2342
01:54:23,170 --> 01:54:26,050
That was filming 24/7, 365,
2343
01:54:26,090 --> 01:54:28,840
For five years,
across the street from us.
2344
01:54:34,240 --> 01:54:36,440
This lawsuit
with monique rathbun--
2345
01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:38,810
It's a brilliant
legal strategy.
2346
01:54:38,850 --> 01:54:40,880
If marty sues,
the church just says,
2347
01:54:40,900 --> 01:54:42,270
"this is
a first amendment fight.
2348
01:54:42,320 --> 01:54:43,740
"this should not be
in a court of law."
2349
01:54:43,770 --> 01:54:45,320
But monique
was never in scientology.
2350
01:54:45,360 --> 01:54:50,110
She's suing david miscavige
and asking to depose him.
2351
01:54:50,160 --> 01:54:53,330
And scientology
will do anything to keep him
out of that situation.
2352
01:54:53,360 --> 01:54:55,080
And the point is, judge,
2353
01:54:55,120 --> 01:54:57,280
If you let me
make my presentation,
2354
01:54:57,330 --> 01:54:59,170
On first amendment law
2355
01:54:59,200 --> 01:55:01,740
That comes from
the united states
supreme court...
2356
01:55:01,760 --> 01:55:03,540
For every court date,
2357
01:55:03,570 --> 01:55:06,370
The church hires a bevy
of high-priced lawyers.
2358
01:55:06,410 --> 01:55:09,380
They are determined
to use every legal trick
in the book
2359
01:55:09,410 --> 01:55:11,630
To keep miscavige
from having to testify
2360
01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:15,300
About church abuses
or whether the religion
of scientology
2361
01:55:15,350 --> 01:55:17,550
Is actually operated
like a business,
2362
01:55:17,590 --> 01:55:21,470
Controlled by the whims
of a single individual.
2363
01:55:23,390 --> 01:55:26,280
In 2014,
miscavige celebrated
2364
01:55:26,310 --> 01:55:28,450
The ongoing expansion
of the church,
2365
01:55:28,480 --> 01:55:30,700
But he was hiding
a terrible secret.
2366
01:55:30,730 --> 01:55:32,270
Good evening!
2367
01:55:32,290 --> 01:55:34,320
The church's
active membership
has dropped
2368
01:55:34,370 --> 01:55:36,070
To fewer
than 50,000 people,
2369
01:55:36,110 --> 01:55:40,270
Yet the financial value
of scientology is soaring.
2370
01:55:40,290 --> 01:55:42,130
How about we just say,
2371
01:55:42,160 --> 01:55:47,170
2013 is the year
we went stratospheric?
2372
01:55:50,120 --> 01:55:52,170
The church
is making investments
2373
01:55:52,220 --> 01:55:54,170
And buying
valuable real estate
all over the world.
2374
01:55:54,220 --> 01:55:58,140
That financial clout
gives scientology
enormous power.
2375
01:55:58,180 --> 01:56:00,460
It's a kind of
tax-free shell company
2376
01:56:00,480 --> 01:56:05,350
Growing past $3 billion
in assets.
2377
01:56:12,480 --> 01:56:15,810
The church now
no longer has a public face.
2378
01:56:15,830 --> 01:56:18,110
There's no spokespeople,
2379
01:56:18,150 --> 01:56:20,280
They don't do
media interviews,
2380
01:56:20,320 --> 01:56:23,030
And that suits miscavige.
2381
01:56:23,090 --> 01:56:25,290
There is nobody
that he is willing
2382
01:56:25,320 --> 01:56:28,160
To have be
the face of scientology
other than himself,
2383
01:56:28,170 --> 01:56:31,680
But he's afraid to
be interviewed by anybody
2384
01:56:31,710 --> 01:56:34,380
For fear that they're
gonna ask him questions
2385
01:56:34,430 --> 01:56:36,800
That he can't answer,
or doesn't want to answer.
2386
01:56:38,670 --> 01:56:41,220
Where are the checks
and balances on his power?
2387
01:56:41,270 --> 01:56:42,550
There is none.
2388
01:56:42,610 --> 01:56:44,340
So there are two things
that could happen.
2389
01:56:44,360 --> 01:56:48,390
One is, the irs
would reconsider
its tax exemption.
2390
01:56:48,450 --> 01:56:52,730
The only other thing
is that some of these
celebrity megaphones
2391
01:56:52,780 --> 01:56:54,980
Could turn
against the church.
2392
01:56:55,020 --> 01:56:58,320
And tom cruise
should be leading
that chorus.
2393
01:57:02,290 --> 01:57:05,290
Is there anything
that you look back on,
2394
01:57:05,330 --> 01:57:07,700
In terms of your own career
in the church,
2395
01:57:07,710 --> 01:57:10,530
And think, "wow,
i wish i hadn't done that?"
2396
01:57:10,550 --> 01:57:13,720
You know, we talked
about karma earlier.
2397
01:57:13,750 --> 01:57:18,340
And, you know,
it still happens that
it's like it's just this--
2398
01:57:18,370 --> 01:57:22,380
I constantly get presented
with who i was,
2399
01:57:22,400 --> 01:57:25,100
And, you know,
and i constantly
don't like what i see,
2400
01:57:25,150 --> 01:57:27,680
And i sort of constantly
keep dying deaths.
2401
01:57:27,720 --> 01:57:29,600
Um, and--
2402
01:57:31,550 --> 01:57:33,720
I don't know how many
more deaths i have left,
2403
01:57:33,740 --> 01:57:36,560
But i-- but i--
2404
01:57:36,580 --> 01:57:39,490
But i regret
2405
01:57:39,530 --> 01:57:42,910
And i'm ashamed of, uh...
2406
01:57:44,330 --> 01:57:47,200
The entire experience,
you know?
2407
01:57:47,240 --> 01:57:49,420
What i take away from it
is that we--
2408
01:57:49,460 --> 01:57:52,370
We lock up a portion
of our own mind.
2409
01:57:52,410 --> 01:57:56,680
We-- we willingly
put cuffs on.
2410
01:57:56,710 --> 01:58:00,260
We willingly avoid things
2411
01:58:00,300 --> 01:58:03,270
That will--
could cause us pain,
2412
01:58:03,300 --> 01:58:06,050
If we just--
if we looked.
2413
01:58:06,110 --> 01:58:08,470
If we can just
believe something,
2414
01:58:08,530 --> 01:58:11,110
Then we don't have to really
think for ourselves, do we?
2415
01:58:11,140 --> 01:58:14,600
And so i can't
damn these people
who aren't coming out,
2416
01:58:14,610 --> 01:58:18,780
Or who are hiding
once they come out
because they're ashamed.
2417
01:58:18,820 --> 01:58:20,790
You know, i--
2418
01:58:20,820 --> 01:58:23,740
I-- i feel the same shame.
2419
01:58:23,770 --> 01:58:27,160
And i just--
i'm fighting back
2420
01:58:27,210 --> 01:58:31,580
By communicating, you know?
It's a peaceful protest.
2421
01:58:31,610 --> 01:58:35,500
I want the truth to be known,
2422
01:58:35,550 --> 01:58:37,500
And...
2423
01:58:39,340 --> 01:58:40,760
Thank you.
2424
01:58:40,790 --> 01:58:42,490
You're welcome.
2425
01:58:43,305 --> 01:58:49,860
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