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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074 Advertise your product or brand here contact www.OpenSubtitles.org today 2 00:00:12,060 --> 00:00:14,490 We will begin the session now. 3 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,890 You will remain aware of everything that goes on. 4 00:00:17,910 --> 00:00:19,160 Okay. 5 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,110 We're going to find an incident in your life 6 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:22,900 You have an exact record of. 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,370 Then by sending you through it at the time it happened, 8 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,670 We're going to reduce it. 9 00:00:28,710 --> 00:00:31,170 We will reduce the pain. 10 00:00:31,210 --> 00:00:34,180 Go to the beginning of that incident. 11 00:00:34,210 --> 00:00:35,710 Tell me what's happening. 12 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:37,300 Well, these things get all so... 13 00:00:37,350 --> 00:00:38,710 I joined in 198-- 14 00:00:38,750 --> 00:00:40,800 It was a bunch of young kids, like i was young... 15 00:00:40,850 --> 00:00:44,300 We were all very heated, very excited about this. 16 00:00:46,610 --> 00:00:49,390 Can you recall a time when you were happy? 17 00:00:49,430 --> 00:00:52,940 I think the first time i saw hubbard, and i was in awe... 18 00:00:52,980 --> 00:00:55,030 We did, because you thought we were doing good. 19 00:00:55,070 --> 00:00:56,730 I mean, so you had some gratification. 20 00:00:56,770 --> 00:00:58,780 I felt a tremendous amount of relief. 21 00:00:58,820 --> 00:01:00,900 I got the answers for everything 22 00:01:00,940 --> 00:01:02,200 Within the religion. 23 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,070 What are you most afraid of? 24 00:01:04,110 --> 00:01:06,040 It was dark. 3:00 in the morning, 25 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:07,780 There's a knock on the hotel-room door. 26 00:01:07,790 --> 00:01:09,740 Stop! I'll say whatever you want, 27 00:01:09,780 --> 00:01:11,250 I'll write up anything that you want. 28 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,460 I flipped out. I started punching holes in the walls. 29 00:01:13,500 --> 00:01:15,720 Things didn't seem quite right. 30 00:01:15,750 --> 00:01:19,290 And you just feel so foolish at that point. 31 00:01:19,310 --> 00:01:22,140 Do you have a secret you're afraid i'll find out? 32 00:01:22,180 --> 00:01:23,640 Yes. Yes. 33 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,400 Go to the beginning of that incident. 34 00:01:27,430 --> 00:01:30,430 Okay, all right. 35 00:01:30,470 --> 00:01:31,970 Tell me about it. 36 00:01:31,990 --> 00:01:34,990 I was 21 years old, 37 00:01:35,020 --> 00:01:37,690 Living in london, ontario, canada. 38 00:01:37,740 --> 00:01:39,820 I wanted to be a documentary filmmaker. 39 00:01:39,860 --> 00:01:41,990 And someone had told me 40 00:01:42,030 --> 00:01:45,410 About what they called-- they said, "there's this cult 41 00:01:45,450 --> 00:01:48,920 "in new york called scientology," 42 00:01:48,950 --> 00:01:50,320 Which i'd never heard of. 43 00:01:50,340 --> 00:01:53,150 "and if you give them all your money, 44 00:01:53,170 --> 00:01:55,860 "they'll make anything possible in your life." 45 00:01:56,990 --> 00:01:59,430 And about six months later, i was walking down the street. 46 00:01:59,460 --> 00:02:02,000 This guy was there selling books. 47 00:02:02,030 --> 00:02:04,030 And i realized they were all the same book-- 48 00:02:04,070 --> 00:02:05,830 "dianetics," 49 00:02:05,850 --> 00:02:08,300 Which again, i had never heard of. 50 00:02:08,340 --> 00:02:11,610 He handed me one and asked me to look at it. 51 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:13,690 He was talking. I wasn't really listening to him. 52 00:02:13,730 --> 00:02:15,890 I opened the cover and it said-- 53 00:02:15,950 --> 00:02:19,010 Stamped on the inside page, it said "church of scientology." 54 00:02:19,030 --> 00:02:22,650 And i said, "take me there." 55 00:02:22,690 --> 00:02:24,820 All right. All right, here we go. 56 00:02:24,850 --> 00:02:27,820 I'm not a great multitasker. 57 00:02:27,870 --> 00:02:31,540 You know, and if i feel like doing something, that's what i do. 58 00:02:31,580 --> 00:02:35,500 And, uh, i was into this shit, 59 00:02:35,530 --> 00:02:37,750 And i was becoming an auditor. 60 00:02:37,830 --> 00:02:41,300 Like, i was in scientology probably four months, 61 00:02:41,340 --> 00:02:45,720 And i had done more than john travolta had done, 62 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,610 And he'd been there for 85 years or some shit. 63 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:52,880 My agents called, you know, "you got an audition." 64 00:02:52,920 --> 00:02:55,520 "eh, fuck it, i don't really--" you know what i mean? 65 00:02:55,550 --> 00:02:57,550 I was on-- i'm on a spiritual adventure, 66 00:02:57,590 --> 00:03:00,660 And this was like, "whoa, this is an interesting road." 67 00:03:00,690 --> 00:03:02,690 You know? 68 00:03:02,730 --> 00:03:07,280 So, uh, what was the question? 69 00:03:07,330 --> 00:03:11,920 So tell me, how was it you first got involved in scientology? 70 00:03:11,950 --> 00:03:14,870 Well, i was introduced to it by some friends. 71 00:03:14,920 --> 00:03:17,920 I don't know if they said it or if it was just talked about 72 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,120 By others that they had super powers. 73 00:03:20,180 --> 00:03:23,180 And i-- i was, like, really young, 74 00:03:23,210 --> 00:03:25,760 But i thought, "i'd like to have super powers!" 75 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:30,020 But also i had done so much... 76 00:03:30,050 --> 00:03:31,190 Political-social work. 77 00:03:31,220 --> 00:03:34,860 So this really looked like-- that it was a solution 78 00:03:34,890 --> 00:03:36,860 To handling a lot of the world's problems. 79 00:03:36,890 --> 00:03:39,560 Instead of trying to handle things en masse, 80 00:03:39,610 --> 00:03:41,200 You could deal with it person by person, 81 00:03:41,230 --> 00:03:45,400 Make each person better, and thus the world would get better and surer. 82 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:58,780 Well, thank you very much, 83 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,950 And welcome to our whole new world. 84 00:04:01,970 --> 00:04:04,790 It's a world where the operative phrase reads... 85 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,970 "exceeding all expectations, 86 00:04:07,010 --> 00:04:09,090 "transcending all parameters, 87 00:04:09,130 --> 00:04:12,060 "extending the boundaries beyond any boundary, 88 00:04:12,100 --> 00:04:15,680 "not to mention godspeed, lightning speed, 89 00:04:15,730 --> 00:04:19,300 "and a quantum leap in sheer rapidity of progress up the bridge." 90 00:04:23,710 --> 00:04:27,380 We're out to make every life extraordinary. 91 00:04:27,410 --> 00:04:31,480 And if by chance it ever seems laborious or a sacrifice, 92 00:04:31,500 --> 00:04:36,200 Then you are looking at the offramps instead of the highway. 93 00:04:36,250 --> 00:04:39,590 You are missing the signpost up ahead, 94 00:04:39,620 --> 00:04:43,760 The one that reads, "next stop, infinity." 95 00:04:47,550 --> 00:04:51,680 Probably my favorite concept of scientology 96 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,020 Is a world without criminality, 97 00:04:54,050 --> 00:04:57,270 A world without war, and a world without insanity. 98 00:04:57,310 --> 00:05:00,610 And i know of no other group 99 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,560 That their goals are that clear. 100 00:05:03,610 --> 00:05:09,070 Look, i don't-- you name me another philosophy, 101 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,540 Religion, or technology 102 00:05:11,570 --> 00:05:16,040 That one of its main goals-- besides the three i mentioned earlier-- 103 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:20,360 Where joy is the operative concept. 104 00:05:20,380 --> 00:05:22,660 105 00:05:24,420 --> 00:05:26,880 These are the times now, people. 106 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:31,510 Okay? These are the times we will all remember. 107 00:05:31,540 --> 00:05:33,340 Were you there? 108 00:05:33,380 --> 00:05:35,560 What did you do? 109 00:05:36,430 --> 00:05:38,150 So what do you say? Can we clean this place up? 110 00:05:38,180 --> 00:05:40,480 Yeah! 111 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,650 Okay. Because we're counting on you. 112 00:05:43,690 --> 00:05:46,570 okay? 113 00:05:46,610 --> 00:05:48,820 All right? To lrh! 114 00:05:50,780 --> 00:05:52,060 Hip-hip-- Hooray! 115 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:53,360 Hip-hip-- Hooray! 116 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,200 Hip-hip-- Hooray! 117 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,000 Scientology is such a subject of fascination for people. 118 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,710 How did you get engaged in the story? 119 00:06:04,740 --> 00:06:06,960 Well, i've always been interested in religions 120 00:06:07,010 --> 00:06:10,760 And why people believe one idea rather than another. 121 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:15,320 I've studied jonestown, radical islam. 122 00:06:15,350 --> 00:06:18,120 They're oftentimes good-hearted people-- 123 00:06:18,150 --> 00:06:22,590 Idealistic, but full of a kind of crushing certainty 124 00:06:22,610 --> 00:06:25,430 That eliminates doubt. 125 00:06:25,450 --> 00:06:29,310 You know, my goal wasn't to write an exposé. 126 00:06:29,370 --> 00:06:31,950 It was simply to understand scientology, 127 00:06:31,990 --> 00:06:34,490 Trying to understand what people get out of it. 128 00:06:34,540 --> 00:06:36,600 You know, why do they go into it in the first place? 129 00:06:36,620 --> 00:06:40,460 I was interested in intelligent and skeptical people 130 00:06:40,490 --> 00:06:42,880 Who are drawn into a belief system 131 00:06:42,910 --> 00:06:45,050 And wind up acting on those beliefs 132 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,670 In ways they never thought they would. 133 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,590 The church of scientology turned out to be 134 00:06:59,630 --> 00:07:01,800 Two offices above a woolworth's store. 135 00:07:01,810 --> 00:07:04,480 He asked me, "what's ruining your life?" 136 00:07:04,570 --> 00:07:06,300 I said, "oh, i'm in love. 137 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,240 "i'm in love with this woman. It's impossible. 138 00:07:08,270 --> 00:07:10,020 "i don't know what to do. I need some help." 139 00:07:10,070 --> 00:07:12,660 And he said, "we can help you with that." 140 00:07:12,690 --> 00:07:14,330 I said, "really?" "yes." 141 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,310 And i ran home and got her, and i said, "we have to sign up for this. 142 00:07:17,330 --> 00:07:20,160 "it sounds really good. It could save our relationship." 143 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,780 So we both signed up the next day to do a course, 144 00:07:23,820 --> 00:07:26,450 Which i think cost $50. 145 00:07:26,490 --> 00:07:28,320 The thing that absolutely got me 146 00:07:28,340 --> 00:07:29,790 And stayed with me forever 147 00:07:29,830 --> 00:07:31,880 Was the very first thing i read when you open the course pack, 148 00:07:31,930 --> 00:07:33,960 And it said-- i'm paraphrasing-- 149 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,830 "don't believe any of this. If it works for you, great. 150 00:07:37,850 --> 00:07:40,330 "if it doesn't, discard it." 151 00:07:40,350 --> 00:07:42,690 I was troubled by the fact that they called it a religion, 152 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,340 But i figured, "oh, it's some tax scam. It's fine with me. 153 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,890 "i don't really care about that as long as it works." 154 00:07:47,940 --> 00:07:52,110 The first exercise, after you do all this reading and stuff like that, 155 00:07:52,150 --> 00:07:55,400 Is this thing called o-t-t-r-0, 156 00:07:55,450 --> 00:07:58,850 Which is basically, you stand-- you sit 157 00:07:58,870 --> 00:08:02,370 Just like this, eyes closed, 158 00:08:02,410 --> 00:08:05,490 Three feet away from somebody who's doing the same thing, 159 00:08:05,530 --> 00:08:09,580 And you basically confront them. 160 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,250 You know? 161 00:08:12,300 --> 00:08:17,050 And in scientology lingo, 162 00:08:17,090 --> 00:08:19,040 I went exterior. 163 00:08:19,060 --> 00:08:21,540 Exteriorizing is what they call it. 164 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,480 You know, you leave your body. 165 00:08:24,510 --> 00:08:29,720 So it was a... Transcendent experience for me., 166 00:08:29,740 --> 00:08:32,240 And that made me go, "holy fucking shit, 167 00:08:32,270 --> 00:08:34,360 "this is-- wow." 168 00:08:34,390 --> 00:08:37,560 I was reading books, going to lectures, and going to things-- 169 00:08:37,580 --> 00:08:41,330 Different events at the mission-- at the local santa clara mission. 170 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,060 And then i knew i wanted to join the sea org 171 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:45,950 And get really involved as soon as i could, 172 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,370 Which would be right out of high school. 173 00:08:48,450 --> 00:08:51,920 Sea org is the most fraternal order of the organization. 174 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,240 It's people who really, really believe in the cause 175 00:08:55,260 --> 00:08:57,930 And sign a billion-year contract, 176 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,600 Which i did when i was-- you know, as soon as i could. 177 00:09:01,630 --> 00:09:04,690 I left skid marks getting to that billion-year contract. 178 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,420 You thought you were doing something good, 179 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,480 To have a positive effect on all of mankind. 180 00:09:11,530 --> 00:09:12,930 That's what howard says. 181 00:09:12,980 --> 00:09:15,700 Everything you do for endless trillions of years 182 00:09:15,730 --> 00:09:19,070 Depends on what you do here and now within scientology. 183 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,280 I began to ask this question, 184 00:09:29,300 --> 00:09:32,410 "what is man?" and i found, oddly enough, 185 00:09:32,450 --> 00:09:34,670 That nobody could tell me what man was. 186 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,790 What did he consist of? Where was he going? 187 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,810 What was he doing? 188 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,460 To really know life, you've got to be part of life. 189 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:44,980 You must get down and look. 190 00:09:45,010 --> 00:09:49,460 You must get into the nooks and crannies of existence, 191 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,400 The-- you have to rub elbows 192 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,520 With all kinds and types of men 193 00:09:55,570 --> 00:09:58,070 Before you can finally establish what he is. 194 00:09:58,110 --> 00:09:59,910 And you in fact did this? 195 00:09:59,940 --> 00:10:02,940 Yes, i've slept with bandits in mongolia, 196 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,860 And i've hunted with, uh, 197 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:08,950 Pygmies in the philippines. 198 00:10:08,980 --> 00:10:14,820 Matter of fact, i've studied 21 different primitive races, 199 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,760 Including the white race. 200 00:10:17,790 --> 00:10:22,000 And my conclusions were 201 00:10:22,030 --> 00:10:25,500 That man is a spiritual being 202 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,470 That was pulled down to the material, 203 00:10:28,500 --> 00:10:31,170 The fleshly interests, 204 00:10:31,190 --> 00:10:35,340 To an interplay in life that was, in fact, 205 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,560 Too great for him to confront. 206 00:10:37,610 --> 00:10:39,860 And i concluded, finally, 207 00:10:39,900 --> 00:10:41,900 That he needed a hand. 208 00:10:46,620 --> 00:10:48,690 To understand scientology, 209 00:10:48,710 --> 00:10:51,330 You have to understand the life and mind of its inventor, 210 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:52,880 L. Ron hubbard. 211 00:10:52,910 --> 00:10:55,410 Hubbard was a prolific writer. 212 00:10:55,470 --> 00:10:57,830 He actually holds the "guinness book of world records" 213 00:10:57,870 --> 00:10:59,530 For the number of books published-- 214 00:10:59,550 --> 00:11:01,340 More than 1,000. 215 00:11:01,370 --> 00:11:04,890 Hubbard got his start in the depression writing pulp fiction, 216 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:06,760 Named for the cheap paper used. 217 00:11:06,810 --> 00:11:08,890 Writers were paid a penny a word, 218 00:11:08,930 --> 00:11:11,710 So hey had to write a lot to make money. 219 00:11:11,730 --> 00:11:13,730 Hubbard hammered away so fast 220 00:11:13,770 --> 00:11:15,570 On long rolls of butcher paper 221 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,220 That he used to drop sweat on his typewriter. 222 00:11:21,390 --> 00:11:24,330 Hubbard's career took off when he began to write for a magazine 223 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,110 Called "astounding science fiction." 224 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,830 Along with authors like isaac asimov and robert heinlein, 225 00:11:30,870 --> 00:11:33,000 Hubbard wrote stories with a sense of mission-- 226 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,000 To get man to the stars. 227 00:11:39,630 --> 00:11:44,090 He found his true métier in science fiction. 228 00:11:44,130 --> 00:11:47,550 And a lot of what scientology is 229 00:11:47,580 --> 00:11:50,180 He had previously written about in the form 230 00:11:50,220 --> 00:11:52,050 Of his science fiction. 231 00:11:52,090 --> 00:11:55,110 He had the ability to fabricate these amazing tales, 232 00:11:55,140 --> 00:11:59,780 And he transported those imaginary stories 233 00:11:59,810 --> 00:12:02,450 Into his theology. 234 00:12:08,620 --> 00:12:12,410 After pearl harbor, hubbard took command of a sub chaser, 235 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,240 But he was still a man prone to invention. 236 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,610 He would write that he sunk two japanese subs, 237 00:12:18,630 --> 00:12:20,920 But, in fact, just off the coast of oregon, 238 00:12:20,950 --> 00:12:23,620 He opened fire on what turned out to be a log 239 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,640 And dropped most of his depth chargers 240 00:12:25,670 --> 00:12:28,890 On underwater magnetic rocks. 241 00:12:28,930 --> 00:12:31,460 When he accidentally shelled a mexican island, 242 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,650 He was relieved of his command. 243 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:37,630 After the war, 244 00:12:37,650 --> 00:12:39,180 Hubbard ended up in los angeles 245 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:43,640 Where he settled in with a small group of seekers and visionaries. 246 00:12:43,660 --> 00:12:46,690 A guy named jack parsons, a fascinating man, 247 00:12:46,740 --> 00:12:50,240 Was one of the founders of the jet-propulsion laboratory. 248 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,750 And there's actually a crater on the moon named after jack. 249 00:12:53,780 --> 00:12:56,620 He was a significant scientific figure, 250 00:12:56,650 --> 00:12:58,920 But he was also the head honcho 251 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:00,290 In this black magic cult. 252 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,820 It was called the o.T.O., 253 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,330 Or the ordo templi orientis. 254 00:13:05,340 --> 00:13:09,050 They followed the teachings of aleister crowley, 255 00:13:09,100 --> 00:13:13,300 A famous sexual magic figure in england. 256 00:13:13,340 --> 00:13:16,640 Parsons had a mansion in pasadena. 257 00:13:16,690 --> 00:13:18,520 They would have ceremonies, 258 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:21,230 And they were seeking some sort of goddess figure 259 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,010 That he could impregnate 260 00:13:23,030 --> 00:13:25,650 In order to create the antichrist. 261 00:13:25,700 --> 00:13:30,400 Hubbard moved in and became parsons' assistant. 262 00:13:31,490 --> 00:13:33,650 One night, this beautiful redhead 263 00:13:33,690 --> 00:13:36,820 Named marjorie cameron showed up at the door. 264 00:13:36,860 --> 00:13:40,240 She was perfectly willing to engage in this sexual ritual 265 00:13:40,300 --> 00:13:43,710 In order, supposedly, to produce the antichrist. 266 00:13:43,750 --> 00:13:45,920 She and jack eventually got married. 267 00:13:45,970 --> 00:13:49,300 That happened after hubbard ran off with jack's girlfriend, 268 00:13:49,340 --> 00:13:51,170 Sara northrup. 269 00:13:52,310 --> 00:13:53,510 Scientology and hubbard 270 00:13:53,540 --> 00:13:55,040 Would later refuse to acknowledge 271 00:13:55,060 --> 00:13:57,060 His relationship with sara. 272 00:13:57,100 --> 00:13:59,510 But we uncovered sara's own recollections 273 00:13:59,550 --> 00:14:01,680 Of her time with hubbard. 274 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,290 He was 13 years older than i was. 275 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,570 I thought he was a great war hero, 276 00:14:08,660 --> 00:14:12,230 A captain of a ship that had been downed in the pacific. 277 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,500 And he was weeks on a raft, 278 00:14:14,530 --> 00:14:16,400 And he'd been blinded by the sun, 279 00:14:16,430 --> 00:14:18,580 And his back had been broken. 280 00:14:18,620 --> 00:14:20,730 All these things were complete lies, 281 00:14:20,750 --> 00:14:23,000 But i didn't know it at the time. 282 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,310 I believed every word of it. 283 00:14:25,340 --> 00:14:28,760 If only sara had seen hubbard's military records. 284 00:14:28,790 --> 00:14:30,680 In a 900-page file, 285 00:14:30,710 --> 00:14:34,380 Hubbard's activities are laid out in extraordinary detail. 286 00:14:34,420 --> 00:14:37,080 Hubbard told people that he had been blinded and crippled 287 00:14:37,100 --> 00:14:39,550 During the war, and the practices that would form 288 00:14:39,590 --> 00:14:42,760 The basis of scientology had cured him. 289 00:14:42,780 --> 00:14:45,030 But his records show that his only wounds 290 00:14:45,060 --> 00:14:48,200 Were mild arthritis and conjunctivitis. 291 00:14:51,770 --> 00:14:54,200 We had this terrible fight, 292 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,940 And he told me he was going to commit suicide 293 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:58,940 If i didn't marry him. 294 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,160 I really believed him, 295 00:15:01,210 --> 00:15:03,630 So we got married. 296 00:15:05,830 --> 00:15:09,800 We spent the winter in that lighthouse on the lake in the poconos. 297 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,750 I remember one awful night, 298 00:15:11,790 --> 00:15:14,250 When i was asleep and he was out typing... 299 00:15:14,290 --> 00:15:16,960 and he hit me across the side of the head 300 00:15:16,980 --> 00:15:18,590 With a .45... 301 00:15:18,630 --> 00:15:21,100 Because i was smiling in my sleep, 302 00:15:21,130 --> 00:15:23,810 And he said i was thinking about somebody else. 303 00:15:23,850 --> 00:15:26,270 I got up, left the house, 304 00:15:26,300 --> 00:15:28,570 And walked on the ice of the lake. 305 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,770 I was terrified. 306 00:15:30,810 --> 00:15:32,570 He always said that he would kill me 307 00:15:32,610 --> 00:15:34,910 Rather than let me leave him. 308 00:15:37,910 --> 00:15:40,750 The only good thing i got from ron 309 00:15:40,780 --> 00:15:43,000 Was my baby. 310 00:15:48,620 --> 00:15:50,420 We moved to elizabeth, new jersey, 311 00:15:50,460 --> 00:15:52,830 And he started writing "dianetics." 312 00:15:52,850 --> 00:15:54,960 The book was conceived 313 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,330 And he started working on it in 1950. 314 00:15:57,350 --> 00:16:01,690 He said many times that the only way to make any real money 315 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:03,300 Was to have a religion. 316 00:16:03,340 --> 00:16:06,860 That's essentially what he was trying to do with "dianetics"-- 317 00:16:06,890 --> 00:16:10,060 Get a religion where he could have an income 318 00:16:10,110 --> 00:16:12,480 And the government wouldn't take it away from him 319 00:16:12,510 --> 00:16:14,650 In the form of taxes. 320 00:16:18,620 --> 00:16:20,850 "dianetics" was an immense success. 321 00:16:20,870 --> 00:16:23,710 From the moment it was published in 1950, 322 00:16:23,740 --> 00:16:27,960 It swept through america and other countries around the world. 323 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,080 This book-- that's the background of all of this. 324 00:16:31,130 --> 00:16:32,380 That's what started all the trouble. 325 00:16:32,420 --> 00:16:36,800 We expected this to sell about 6,000 copies, 326 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,870 And it hit the top of the bestseller list of "the new york times" 327 00:16:39,890 --> 00:16:42,510 And just stayed there, month in, month out. 328 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,710 It was like i started an avalanche. 329 00:16:44,730 --> 00:16:47,710 The modern science of mental health" 330 00:16:47,730 --> 00:16:51,770 Is considered to be the fundamental text, 331 00:16:51,820 --> 00:16:56,460 Which is the foundation upon which all else is built. 332 00:16:58,260 --> 00:17:00,530 One of the theories of "dianetics" 333 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:04,230 Is to discover these things that are very traumatic 334 00:17:04,250 --> 00:17:06,030 Or have been very upsetting to you, 335 00:17:06,070 --> 00:17:09,040 And if you can observe 336 00:17:09,070 --> 00:17:11,260 Exactly what happened, 337 00:17:11,290 --> 00:17:14,240 The power of that incident 338 00:17:14,260 --> 00:17:16,290 To influence you today 339 00:17:16,350 --> 00:17:18,600 Is removed. 340 00:17:19,750 --> 00:17:21,850 The concept of "dianetics" 341 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,850 Is that you have two sides of your mind. 342 00:17:24,890 --> 00:17:27,350 There is the analytical side, 343 00:17:27,390 --> 00:17:29,690 Which is a perfect computer. 344 00:17:29,730 --> 00:17:32,260 It remembers everything. It's flawless. 345 00:17:32,310 --> 00:17:34,280 It never makes a mistake. 346 00:17:34,310 --> 00:17:36,760 And then there's a reactive side. 347 00:17:36,780 --> 00:17:40,120 And this is where all your neuroses, anxieties, 348 00:17:40,150 --> 00:17:41,400 And fears are stored. 349 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,770 And where do they come from? They come from engrams. 350 00:17:44,790 --> 00:17:47,990 An engram is like a memory. 351 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:49,910 A man has an automobile accident. 352 00:17:49,950 --> 00:17:51,660 He has a picture of an automobile accident. 353 00:17:51,710 --> 00:17:53,610 He has all the sensations of having been hurt 354 00:17:53,630 --> 00:17:56,280 In the automobile accident. It takes him a long time to recover, 355 00:17:56,300 --> 00:17:58,300 Because he's still wearing the automobile accident. 356 00:17:58,340 --> 00:17:59,550 If you said, "hey, why don't you take 357 00:17:59,590 --> 00:18:01,760 "this automobile accident and throw it away?" 358 00:18:01,790 --> 00:18:03,310 Well, all of a sudden, he recovers 359 00:18:03,340 --> 00:18:05,340 From the automobile accident, naturally, 360 00:18:05,390 --> 00:18:07,640 Because the thing that's keeping it impressed upon him 361 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,100 And his body is his mind. 362 00:18:12,270 --> 00:18:15,100 An auditor is a practitioner in scientology. 363 00:18:15,150 --> 00:18:17,800 He listens and he computes. 364 00:18:17,820 --> 00:18:20,160 We have a meter. 365 00:18:20,190 --> 00:18:22,480 A meter simply shows 366 00:18:22,490 --> 00:18:24,950 Where an individual is aberrated. 367 00:18:24,980 --> 00:18:28,200 The e-meter is a very powerful instrument. 368 00:18:28,250 --> 00:18:30,620 It's one-third of a lie detector. 369 00:18:30,650 --> 00:18:34,650 A lie detector would also measure your respiration and pulse. 370 00:18:34,670 --> 00:18:37,170 There's two cans 371 00:18:37,210 --> 00:18:38,760 And there's electrical wires 372 00:18:38,790 --> 00:18:40,960 Carrying an undetectable amount of current 373 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,380 Into a meter with a needle on it. 374 00:18:43,430 --> 00:18:45,970 According to the church of scientology, 375 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,140 It actually detects the mass of your thoughts, 376 00:18:49,170 --> 00:18:51,610 Although there's no evidence that thoughts have mass. 377 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,010 The current passes through your body, 378 00:18:54,030 --> 00:18:58,030 And as your mental mass increases, 379 00:18:58,060 --> 00:19:01,280 So does the resistance to the circuit. 380 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:05,070 So the auditor will ask you a question, 381 00:19:05,120 --> 00:19:07,400 "tell me about an upset with your mother." 382 00:19:07,460 --> 00:19:09,240 "what's truly bothering you about being with, you know, 383 00:19:09,290 --> 00:19:11,380 "with your wife's behavior? What is it?" 384 00:19:11,410 --> 00:19:13,030 "why are you upset today?" 385 00:19:13,050 --> 00:19:15,630 "well, i had a fight with my wife." 386 00:19:15,660 --> 00:19:17,380 "well, i can see." 387 00:19:17,420 --> 00:19:19,300 "that there-- was that the same thought?" 388 00:19:19,340 --> 00:19:20,470 "say that again." 389 00:19:20,500 --> 00:19:24,300 And gradually, the needle will have less response. 390 00:19:24,340 --> 00:19:27,420 And in that manner, you discharge the emotion. 391 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,880 Then you're asked to go back to earlier incidents 392 00:19:30,900 --> 00:19:32,900 That were like that. 393 00:19:32,930 --> 00:19:35,220 And you might say, "well, my mother spoke to me 394 00:19:35,230 --> 00:19:37,400 "in the same scolding tone of voice." 395 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,600 And you recount that story, 396 00:19:39,660 --> 00:19:42,890 And eventually, you discharge the emotion. 397 00:19:42,910 --> 00:19:46,060 And that's very much like freudian therapy. 398 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,700 But with scientology, 399 00:19:48,730 --> 00:19:51,030 Then they'll ask further. 400 00:19:51,070 --> 00:19:54,030 "well, that's as far back as i go." 401 00:19:54,090 --> 00:19:55,590 Well, maybe not. 402 00:19:55,620 --> 00:19:59,840 The auditor might say, "something just registered on the meter. 403 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:01,380 "what was that?" 404 00:20:01,410 --> 00:20:03,740 "i had an image in my mind." 405 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,460 "well, what was the image?" 406 00:20:05,510 --> 00:20:07,180 "it was a barn." 407 00:20:07,220 --> 00:20:09,720 "are you inside the barn? Go back to that image. 408 00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:12,600 "okay, open the door. What do you see?" 409 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:16,690 "well, it looks like 19th century france." 410 00:20:18,860 --> 00:20:21,230 You walk outside and you see 411 00:20:21,260 --> 00:20:23,900 The people dressed in their costumes, 412 00:20:23,980 --> 00:20:26,950 And the e-meter is saying this is real. 413 00:20:26,990 --> 00:20:28,600 This is a real memory. 414 00:20:28,620 --> 00:20:32,240 It's just as real as those other memories that you had. 415 00:20:33,790 --> 00:20:36,490 Beautiful little soft needle, and everything's good. 416 00:20:36,550 --> 00:20:40,630 Needle's rising, which means he's getting, you know, 417 00:20:40,670 --> 00:20:43,500 Thinking a lot. The needle just, like, goes "pfft," 418 00:20:43,550 --> 00:20:45,590 Like a lot of shit blows away. 419 00:20:45,620 --> 00:20:49,510 The theta bop, which is a very quick little thing like, "doo doo doo," 420 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,760 Which means exteriorization. 421 00:20:53,310 --> 00:20:56,900 When you come out of an auditing session, 422 00:20:56,930 --> 00:20:59,520 You feel euphoric. 423 00:20:59,570 --> 00:21:03,150 That confessional nature makes you feel better. 424 00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:05,860 Somebody would say, "oh, you're going to have a session." 425 00:21:05,910 --> 00:21:07,860 I would feel better just hearing that. 426 00:21:07,910 --> 00:21:10,980 Man is asleep. 427 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,150 He is hypnotized. 428 00:21:13,170 --> 00:21:16,420 Now in scientology, reverse the process, 429 00:21:16,450 --> 00:21:18,920 And you'll make him wake up. 430 00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:21,670 Such a man becomes un-brainwashed, you might say. 431 00:21:21,710 --> 00:21:23,420 He becomes unhypnotized. 432 00:21:23,460 --> 00:21:25,490 This sounds, mr. Hubbard, in a sense, 433 00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:29,050 Like an extension of psychology or psychiatry. 434 00:21:29,100 --> 00:21:32,680 Oh, no, psychiatry has to do with the insane, 435 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,640 And we have nothing to do with the insane whatsoever. 436 00:21:35,690 --> 00:21:37,940 Is this is a form of psychoanalysis? 437 00:21:37,970 --> 00:21:40,020 No, psychoanalysis, they lay back and-- 438 00:21:40,060 --> 00:21:43,610 Don't associate scientology with such people. 439 00:21:43,650 --> 00:21:47,030 That's terrible. That's bad manners, you know? 440 00:21:47,070 --> 00:21:50,700 When l. Ron hubbard first wrote "dianetics," 441 00:21:50,740 --> 00:21:54,400 He thought it was a tremendous psychological breakthrough, 442 00:21:54,460 --> 00:21:56,820 So much so that he would be recognized. 443 00:21:56,860 --> 00:22:01,880 He wrote letters to the american psychological association. 444 00:22:01,910 --> 00:22:05,700 They couldn't make heads or tail of his ideas. 445 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,880 To them, it was like psychological folk art. 446 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,420 For instance, he would talk about "clear." 447 00:22:11,470 --> 00:22:14,090 That means that the individual 448 00:22:14,140 --> 00:22:16,230 Has erased his reactive mind-- 449 00:22:16,260 --> 00:22:18,600 His unconscious mind is gone-- 450 00:22:18,650 --> 00:22:20,900 And he is totally alert 451 00:22:20,930 --> 00:22:22,900 And totally capable. 452 00:22:22,940 --> 00:22:26,220 Once you've taken away all these traumatic memories, 453 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,860 From this life and previous ones, 454 00:22:28,890 --> 00:22:30,360 Then you are clear. 455 00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:33,190 Someone who had a perfect memory, 456 00:22:33,230 --> 00:22:36,080 Who was never ill. 457 00:22:36,110 --> 00:22:37,830 Your eyesight would be better. 458 00:22:37,870 --> 00:22:40,030 We tested people before scientology processing 459 00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:41,870 And after scientology processing, 460 00:22:41,900 --> 00:22:44,590 And uniformly found that their iq had raised. 461 00:22:44,620 --> 00:22:46,670 We are making such individuals, 462 00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:50,380 We're making them regularly, and we're making them routinely. 463 00:22:52,380 --> 00:22:55,180 An overt act is an effort to individuate. 464 00:22:55,220 --> 00:22:57,930 It is a withhold of oneself... 465 00:22:57,970 --> 00:22:59,920 Ron gave lectures everywhere 466 00:22:59,940 --> 00:23:03,940 For large amounts of money, and money just started pouring in. 467 00:23:03,980 --> 00:23:06,230 I mean, these people were paying 468 00:23:06,260 --> 00:23:09,280 $500 apiece in the 1950s 469 00:23:09,310 --> 00:23:11,280 For training in "dianetics." 470 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,030 I felt that he was stealing from people 471 00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:16,290 And that he was hoodwinking them. 472 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,290 All the business of sitting, holding hands, 473 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,610 And putting all these false memories into people's minds... 474 00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:25,000 Then they would finally come along and say, 475 00:23:25,050 --> 00:23:27,960 "oh, yes, i can remember it all." 476 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,500 477 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,790 We were surrounded by sycophants. 478 00:23:34,810 --> 00:23:38,640 He began to believe that he was a savior and hero, 479 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,150 That he really was this god figure. 480 00:23:44,970 --> 00:23:46,730 He was absolutely convinced 481 00:23:46,770 --> 00:23:50,440 That he had the cure for the psychological ills of mankind, 482 00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:54,140 And that the only reason that it wasn't being propagated far and wide 483 00:23:54,180 --> 00:23:56,810 Was that the medical profession had a vested interest 484 00:23:56,830 --> 00:23:59,280 In keeping people sick. 485 00:23:59,310 --> 00:24:01,280 I think he was afraid that some psychiatrists 486 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,750 Would pop him into an institution. 487 00:24:03,790 --> 00:24:08,040 He degenerated into a really paranoid, 488 00:24:08,090 --> 00:24:10,820 Terrifying person. 489 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,880 Sara threatened to leave hubbard 490 00:24:12,930 --> 00:24:14,510 Unless he got psychiatric help. 491 00:24:14,550 --> 00:24:17,330 He responded by kidnapping their baby 492 00:24:17,350 --> 00:24:19,350 And taking her to cuba. 493 00:24:19,380 --> 00:24:21,940 He was incapable of taking care of her, 494 00:24:21,970 --> 00:24:25,110 So he put her in the charge of a mother and daughter 495 00:24:25,140 --> 00:24:27,220 Who were both mentally retarded. 496 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,610 And they apparently kept her in some kind of cage. 497 00:24:29,650 --> 00:24:33,610 He called me and told me that he had killed her. 498 00:24:33,650 --> 00:24:36,350 He said he had cut her into little pieces 499 00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:38,120 And dropped the pieces in a river, 500 00:24:38,150 --> 00:24:40,240 And it was my fault. 501 00:24:40,290 --> 00:24:43,240 Then he'd call me back and say that she was still alive. 502 00:24:43,290 --> 00:24:46,380 And this went on and on and on. 503 00:24:46,410 --> 00:24:49,210 When hubbard came back to the u.S., 504 00:24:49,250 --> 00:24:51,550 Sara persuaded him to agree to a divorce 505 00:24:51,580 --> 00:24:53,830 And give her custody of their daughter. 506 00:24:53,870 --> 00:24:55,800 When i left him, he cleaned out 507 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,250 All the joint bank accounts 508 00:24:57,310 --> 00:25:00,390 So that i wouldn't have any money. 509 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,590 Hubbard soon lost all his money, too. 510 00:25:03,650 --> 00:25:06,900 "dianetics" proved to be a passing fad, like the hula hoop. 511 00:25:06,930 --> 00:25:09,570 But hubbard still had his imagination. 512 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,850 So he repackaged the ideas of "dianetics" 513 00:25:11,890 --> 00:25:14,440 Into a religion called scientology. 514 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,740 Hubbard added more science and more structure. 515 00:25:18,780 --> 00:25:21,530 Along with the e-meters came a payment plan. 516 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,370 Every step to "clear" had a price tag. 517 00:25:25,420 --> 00:25:27,830 How would you describe your business model? 518 00:25:27,870 --> 00:25:31,120 Rapacious. 519 00:25:31,170 --> 00:25:33,510 It's all about making money. 520 00:25:33,540 --> 00:25:36,510 Hubbard, from the beginning, knew that 521 00:25:36,550 --> 00:25:39,950 People would pay for this counseling at a pretty good clip, 522 00:25:39,980 --> 00:25:43,770 And so he continued to come out with more and more levels. 523 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,690 The real money was in paying for these higher and higher courses. 524 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,720 They were getting into thousands of dollars. 525 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,030 Those prices kept going up and up. 526 00:25:52,060 --> 00:25:54,810 That's really where scientology begins 527 00:25:54,860 --> 00:25:56,900 To create this indoctrination, 528 00:25:56,930 --> 00:25:58,770 Is, "it's hubbard that came up with that, 529 00:25:58,780 --> 00:26:01,280 "only hubbard, and you have to be a part of our group 530 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,740 "to get that spiritual satisfaction you were looking for." 531 00:26:04,790 --> 00:26:06,610 The hubbard college of scientology, 532 00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:10,080 Qualifications division, department of certifications and awards 533 00:26:10,110 --> 00:26:12,950 Does hereby certify that anthony a. Phillips 534 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,250 Has obtained the state of clear. 535 00:26:17,170 --> 00:26:20,390 As more members paid for hubbard's bridge to total freedom, 536 00:26:20,420 --> 00:26:24,010 The church's coffers swelled with hundreds of millions of dollars. 537 00:26:24,090 --> 00:26:26,960 From the beginning, hubbard tried to shelter that revenue 538 00:26:26,980 --> 00:26:28,850 From any government taxes. 539 00:26:28,900 --> 00:26:30,930 The founding church of scientology 540 00:26:30,970 --> 00:26:34,400 Attempted in 1967 to get a court determination 541 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,770 That it was exempt from federal taxation 542 00:26:36,810 --> 00:26:40,310 On the basis that it was a nonprofit religious organization. 543 00:26:40,330 --> 00:26:43,490 A federal court denied the founding church tax exemption, 544 00:26:43,530 --> 00:26:47,980 Saying that some of the church's earnings from 1955 to 1959 545 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,920 Were used for the personal benefit of private individuals-- 546 00:26:51,950 --> 00:26:54,320 L. Ron hubbard and family. 547 00:26:54,340 --> 00:26:58,460 "abc news" has repeatedly requested interviews with mr. Hubbard. 548 00:26:58,490 --> 00:27:00,960 We have been told that he is unavailable. 549 00:27:17,580 --> 00:27:20,180 It was very exciting. 550 00:27:20,220 --> 00:27:24,570 It was that heady mix of emotion and belief, 551 00:27:24,620 --> 00:27:27,790 And it's-- you get stuck to it. 552 00:27:27,820 --> 00:27:31,830 It's so strong that it sticks you like glue, 553 00:27:31,860 --> 00:27:34,090 And there's no way you can get away from it. 554 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,260 I was deeply convinced 555 00:27:37,300 --> 00:27:39,700 That we were going to save the world. 556 00:27:39,730 --> 00:27:44,250 I considered myself tremendously fortunate 557 00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:46,340 To be in that position. 558 00:27:47,890 --> 00:27:50,380 Out of the blue one day, 559 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,260 I received this envelope 560 00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:55,720 With an invitation to join the sea project. 561 00:27:55,730 --> 00:27:58,250 It was completely confidential. 562 00:27:58,290 --> 00:28:01,020 I wasn't to tell anyone about it, 563 00:28:01,060 --> 00:28:04,740 And i was so ecstatic. 564 00:28:04,780 --> 00:28:07,580 Here was a chance to work with hubbard. 565 00:28:07,610 --> 00:28:10,110 And i signed, "yes!" 566 00:28:10,170 --> 00:28:14,230 I was on my way to the greatest adventure in my life. 567 00:28:14,250 --> 00:28:19,120 We had an overnight flight to las palmas in the canary islands, 568 00:28:19,170 --> 00:28:22,880 Where we found, at about 6:00 in the morning, 569 00:28:22,910 --> 00:28:26,180 We were taxied down to a dock. 570 00:28:26,210 --> 00:28:28,930 We had to climb up this rickety ladder, 571 00:28:28,970 --> 00:28:31,220 All the way up to the ship, 572 00:28:31,250 --> 00:28:33,720 And we couldn't believe this was where we were going. 573 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,060 This ship was a rusty hulk. 574 00:28:37,090 --> 00:28:40,560 I was given a dirty old jumpsuit to get into, 575 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,360 Missing one arm and the other one was almost half torn off, 576 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,570 And put to work. We had to scrub the ship and clean out the ship, 577 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,210 Which was arduous, strenuous work, 578 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:53,910 In the heat. 579 00:28:53,940 --> 00:28:56,130 Hubbard came to the ship every day, 580 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,250 Smoking cigarettes and surveying his kingdom. 581 00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:02,950 After dinner, he'd come and join us 582 00:29:02,970 --> 00:29:05,170 On the well deck. 583 00:29:05,220 --> 00:29:07,450 There he was, you know, right amongst us, 584 00:29:07,470 --> 00:29:09,260 Talking to us. 585 00:29:09,290 --> 00:29:13,010 He would be his most magnificent self 586 00:29:13,060 --> 00:29:15,400 At those times. 587 00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:18,970 He'd lean back, he'd look up at the cosmos, 588 00:29:18,980 --> 00:29:22,350 And he'd point out galaxies 589 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,240 And constellations, 590 00:29:24,270 --> 00:29:27,160 And he'd say, "the fifth invaders are up there, 591 00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:30,080 "and this is how they dressed and this is how they talk. 592 00:29:30,110 --> 00:29:32,700 "and see that blip across the sky over there?" 593 00:29:32,750 --> 00:29:36,650 He'd point it out, and we were all, "yes, we see it, we see it." 594 00:29:36,670 --> 00:29:39,000 He'd say, "and that's one of their space vessels..." 595 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,490 And there was-- the fourth invader force was here. 596 00:29:42,510 --> 00:29:45,210 The fifth invader force came in. 597 00:29:45,260 --> 00:29:49,210 And the name of this solar system is space station 33. 598 00:29:49,260 --> 00:29:51,930 The fourth invader force had been there 599 00:29:51,970 --> 00:29:54,220 For god knows how many skillion years, 600 00:29:54,270 --> 00:29:55,690 Had been sitting down... 601 00:29:55,770 --> 00:29:58,050 ...And we'd sit there, spellbound. 602 00:29:58,110 --> 00:30:01,390 You could hear a pin drop on that ship. 603 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,110 He had us emotionally captured and held 604 00:30:06,150 --> 00:30:09,700 Right there in the palm of his hand where he wanted us. 605 00:30:09,730 --> 00:30:11,990 He had us right there. 606 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,620 In the early '60s, 607 00:30:15,660 --> 00:30:18,320 Hubbard was under investigation in various countries. 608 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,290 His solution was to take to the high seas. 609 00:30:21,330 --> 00:30:24,460 He made himself commodore of a fleet of three ships, 610 00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:26,400 A scientology navy. 611 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,220 To crew the vessels, 612 00:30:29,250 --> 00:30:30,870 He created the sea organization. 613 00:30:30,890 --> 00:30:33,170 The members of this so-called sea org 614 00:30:33,210 --> 00:30:35,590 Would become the church's clergy. 615 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,340 They began going from port to port 616 00:30:38,380 --> 00:30:41,260 In the mediterranean, show up for a few days, 617 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,730 And then go off-- sail off in some other direction. 618 00:30:43,770 --> 00:30:46,220 And a very enterprising reporter 619 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,390 For grenada television in britain 620 00:30:48,410 --> 00:30:49,720 Tracked him down... 621 00:30:49,740 --> 00:30:51,490 Slate one, take one. 622 00:30:51,530 --> 00:30:53,530 That's one of the very few instances 623 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,530 Where hubbard has actually appeared on camera. 624 00:30:57,700 --> 00:30:59,750 What are you actually doing 625 00:30:59,780 --> 00:31:01,620 On this ship now? 626 00:31:01,670 --> 00:31:04,740 I am studying ancient civilizations, 627 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,170 Trying to find what happened to them, 628 00:31:08,210 --> 00:31:10,710 Finding out why they went... 629 00:31:10,750 --> 00:31:14,410 Into a decline, why they died. 630 00:31:14,430 --> 00:31:18,430 Hubbard believed that he had lived various lives 631 00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:22,440 In the mediterranean area as a venetian prince, 632 00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:24,770 As an italian prince. 633 00:31:24,810 --> 00:31:26,640 As a matter of fact, it's quite interesting 634 00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:29,430 That exercises can be conducted, 635 00:31:29,450 --> 00:31:32,280 Which demonstrate conclusively that there are memories 636 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,400 Which exist prior to this life. 637 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,870 He had buried treasure all around the coastline, 638 00:31:37,910 --> 00:31:42,460 And he wanted to go find all these caches of treasure. 639 00:31:42,490 --> 00:31:45,750 We were all very heated, very excited about this. 640 00:31:45,780 --> 00:31:49,120 Whatever was his whim, we did. 641 00:31:49,150 --> 00:31:51,080 We would have died for the old man. 642 00:31:52,390 --> 00:31:53,790 Don't you wake up sometimes 643 00:31:53,810 --> 00:31:56,420 In the middle of the night and think to yourself, 644 00:31:56,460 --> 00:31:58,760 "well, i've been on this ship with a whole lot 645 00:31:58,790 --> 00:32:01,290 "of scientologists who believe i'm fantastic..." 646 00:32:01,310 --> 00:32:03,230 They don't believe i'm fantastic. 647 00:32:03,260 --> 00:32:07,980 If you saw the number of times they don't follow my orders... 648 00:32:09,070 --> 00:32:11,800 Lrh started to devise 649 00:32:11,820 --> 00:32:14,740 A system of penalties or punishments 650 00:32:14,780 --> 00:32:16,360 Or what he called ethics. 651 00:32:16,410 --> 00:32:19,280 And one of the penalties for the auditors 652 00:32:19,310 --> 00:32:21,500 Making mistakes in their auditing sessions 653 00:32:21,530 --> 00:32:23,700 Was to be tossed overboard. 654 00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:26,370 "you have done such and such and such and such, 655 00:32:26,420 --> 00:32:29,010 "and we commit your errors to the deep." 656 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,290 And then just pushed overboard. 657 00:32:32,340 --> 00:32:35,510 30 feet, 35 feet, 658 00:32:53,150 --> 00:32:56,520 Do you ever think that you might be quite mad? 659 00:32:56,530 --> 00:32:58,850 Oh, yes! 660 00:32:58,870 --> 00:33:02,290 The one man in the world who never believes he's mad 661 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,540 Is the madman. 662 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:20,640 663 00:33:23,580 --> 00:33:26,580 So we got married a year and a half after we joined 664 00:33:26,610 --> 00:33:29,180 And moved to california. I wanted to be a writer, 665 00:33:29,220 --> 00:33:31,580 And my wife-- she was studying scientology. 666 00:33:31,620 --> 00:33:34,120 We had a baby right away, and the only people 667 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,220 We knew there were scientologists. 668 00:33:36,260 --> 00:33:38,860 I was working as a furniture mover during the day 669 00:33:38,890 --> 00:33:41,560 And writing spec scripts at night. 670 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,230 Then on the weekends, i'd be, you know, doing some auditing. 671 00:33:44,250 --> 00:33:46,030 Can you recall a time when you were happy? 672 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,400 There was a social aspect to it too. 673 00:33:47,420 --> 00:33:48,870 You got to hang out with people. 674 00:33:48,900 --> 00:33:51,900 And there were some interesting people, nice people. 675 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,920 These are all people who are looking to improve their life. 676 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,870 While hubbard was hiding from public view, 677 00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:21,930 He was very active in directing the operations of the church, 678 00:34:21,950 --> 00:34:24,070 Particularly in hollywood. 679 00:34:24,110 --> 00:34:26,570 This was just after the haight-ashbury era. 680 00:34:26,610 --> 00:34:29,240 And what scientology was selling itself is, 681 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,710 "get high without drugs." 682 00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:34,960 It was a place where people went and explored ideas, 683 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,800 And you would often see famous people-- 684 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,090 Leonard cohen, members of the grateful dead, 685 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,840 Rock hudson. 686 00:34:42,890 --> 00:34:45,510 So they built the celebrity centre. 687 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,130 The idea was to draw in these famous entertainers 688 00:34:49,150 --> 00:34:53,230 And use them as pitchmen for the religion. 689 00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:55,070 In an industry like hollywood, 690 00:34:55,100 --> 00:34:58,770 Where stardom is such-- such an illusive quality, 691 00:34:58,810 --> 00:35:02,840 Scientology would offer a route to maybe feel a little bit more secure. 692 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,950 And when you're trying to break in, you're also dealing with 693 00:35:05,980 --> 00:35:07,660 Relentless rejection. 694 00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:09,580 And something that helps you stay focused 695 00:35:09,620 --> 00:35:12,170 And feel that you're improving yourself 696 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,710 And becoming more clear, you can see the appeal of that. 697 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,540 The beliefs and practices that i have studied in scientology 698 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,380 Have been invaluable to me. 699 00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:25,460 Have you ever met ron hubbard? 700 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,300 I'd love to. I'd be honored, because i think he's so brilliant. 701 00:35:32,940 --> 00:35:35,310 So when i worked at the celebrity centre, 702 00:35:35,340 --> 00:35:38,640 I would just, you know, recruit various people. 703 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,780 Like priscilla presley and of course john travolta. 704 00:35:42,820 --> 00:35:45,900 Johnny-- he came, he started on course, 705 00:35:45,950 --> 00:35:48,490 And he was so fun and outrageous. 706 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,760 And he just made a party wherever he was. 707 00:35:51,790 --> 00:35:54,040 John travolta was a young actor 708 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,360 In his very first movie. 709 00:35:57,380 --> 00:35:59,720 He was a troubled young man, 710 00:35:59,750 --> 00:36:01,220 And he was looking for help. 711 00:36:01,250 --> 00:36:05,250 A fellow actor gave him a little bit of scientology counseling. 712 00:36:05,310 --> 00:36:07,060 She gave him a copy of "dianetics," 713 00:36:07,090 --> 00:36:09,340 And he was transported by this. 714 00:36:09,380 --> 00:36:10,710 He would go out on his auditions, 715 00:36:10,730 --> 00:36:12,210 And no matter what he went out for, 716 00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:15,060 He would get it. 717 00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:17,400 A band-aid commercial, right away he booked that. 718 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:18,900 Now the army starts you... 719 00:36:18,940 --> 00:36:20,440 He was booking everything, 720 00:36:20,490 --> 00:36:22,740 And then he went up for a series. 721 00:36:22,770 --> 00:36:24,240 Of course, he books it. 722 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,780 And it's a big series-- "welcome back, kotter." 723 00:36:26,830 --> 00:36:28,580 Up your nose with a rubber hose! 724 00:36:30,580 --> 00:36:32,580 In the late '70s and early '80s, 725 00:36:32,620 --> 00:36:36,270 John travolta was scientology's biggest star. 726 00:36:36,300 --> 00:36:40,170 Spanky was assigned to be travolta's key contact with the church, 727 00:36:40,210 --> 00:36:43,810 And she helped out with producers, fans, and the press. 728 00:36:43,850 --> 00:36:46,950 They became close, and when spanky got married, 729 00:36:46,980 --> 00:36:48,680 Travolta was there. 730 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:51,620 When johnny first got into scientology, 731 00:36:51,650 --> 00:36:53,770 He didn't even believe in himself that much. 732 00:36:53,810 --> 00:36:56,360 But he got injected with a lot of confidence, 733 00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:58,770 And then you get this phobia inducement 734 00:36:58,810 --> 00:37:01,890 That "if i leave, it's all going to go down the tubes." 735 00:37:01,930 --> 00:37:03,980 When you're in the organization, 736 00:37:04,030 --> 00:37:06,200 All the good that happens to you 737 00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:07,930 Is because of scientology, 738 00:37:07,950 --> 00:37:10,990 And everything that doesn't, that isn't good, is your fault. 739 00:37:12,540 --> 00:37:15,770 They sell it all in the beginning as something quite logical. 740 00:37:15,790 --> 00:37:18,410 Everything makes sense. 741 00:37:18,450 --> 00:37:20,880 And you're going up what they call the bridge, 742 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,000 You're dong this auditing, and this is good. 743 00:37:23,050 --> 00:37:25,220 And the next one, well, it's not quite as good. 744 00:37:25,250 --> 00:37:28,090 It didn't quite make sense to you, but... 745 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,920 You know, you've already paid for the next one, so you'll do that one. 746 00:37:32,980 --> 00:37:35,790 The bridge-- it's a metaphor. 747 00:37:35,810 --> 00:37:38,300 You start here at the bottom of the bridge 748 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,150 And then you go to the top, so where it is-- 749 00:37:40,180 --> 00:37:42,320 It's an awareness scale. 750 00:37:42,350 --> 00:37:45,600 You start down here and you're not aware of anything, 751 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,160 Then you go up here and you're a lot more aware 752 00:37:48,190 --> 00:37:50,830 Of who you are, 753 00:37:50,860 --> 00:37:55,280 Your spirituality, your relationship to others. 754 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,450 A person is supposed to become more able 755 00:37:58,490 --> 00:38:00,200 As they go up the bridge. 756 00:38:00,250 --> 00:38:04,320 And then there are the ot levels-- 757 00:38:04,340 --> 00:38:06,010 Operating thetan. 758 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,160 And a thetan is a spiritual being. 759 00:38:08,180 --> 00:38:10,660 That's the soul of the person. 760 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,300 And what level, over time, did you achieve? 761 00:38:13,330 --> 00:38:16,000 Ot eight. That's the highest there is. 762 00:38:16,020 --> 00:38:18,520 You can't get any higher than ot eight. 763 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,360 From the beginning, you hear these stories 764 00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:23,190 People tell of these abilities they've been able to gain. 765 00:38:23,230 --> 00:38:26,850 It was always talked about, the people who were ot could read your mind, 766 00:38:26,860 --> 00:38:29,450 And they could move objects at will, 767 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,490 And they could-- they were cause over matter, energy, space, and time, 768 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,370 So it sounded damn good to me. 769 00:38:36,410 --> 00:38:38,860 I mean, i thought, "wow, this is great." 770 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:43,080 I finally get to ot three, 771 00:38:43,130 --> 00:38:45,050 And they give me the secret materials, 772 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,750 Which i've been hearing about all this time. 773 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,800 They're handwritten by hubbard. 774 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,390 You have to keep them in a locked briefcase, 775 00:38:51,420 --> 00:38:53,470 Be very cautious, because they always said, 776 00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:55,510 "if this gets out, it's dangerous to people. 777 00:38:55,540 --> 00:38:59,680 "it could actually do them harm if they are not adequately prepared." 778 00:39:00,980 --> 00:39:03,380 And i read it. 779 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,680 And... 780 00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:07,900 It doesn't make any sense. 781 00:39:07,940 --> 00:39:10,860 This gobbled story that didn't make sense. 782 00:39:10,910 --> 00:39:14,940 I remember for one fleeting second thinking, "maybe it's an insanity test. 783 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,750 "maybe if you believe this, they kick you out. 784 00:39:16,780 --> 00:39:20,000 "you know, maybe that's it." that, of course, is not the case. 785 00:39:20,030 --> 00:39:23,340 They talk about, you know, the fact that the earth was created 786 00:39:23,370 --> 00:39:25,700 In such-and-such trillions of years ago, 787 00:39:25,740 --> 00:39:28,960 And this guy-- space guy-- 788 00:39:29,010 --> 00:39:31,760 Galactic overlord-- this was a prison planet, 789 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,510 And people being caught, captured, 790 00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:36,220 And being brought to planet earth... 791 00:39:36,250 --> 00:39:39,640 And put them in volcanoes and blowing them up with a-bombs. 792 00:39:39,690 --> 00:39:41,440 Whoa! 793 00:39:41,470 --> 00:39:43,920 I studied geography in school. 794 00:39:43,940 --> 00:39:47,260 Those volcanoes didn't exist 75 million years ago. 795 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,430 And we have these lost souls all over us 796 00:39:50,450 --> 00:39:52,600 And we have to get rid of them, and i'm going, 797 00:39:52,620 --> 00:39:56,490 "what... The fuck are you talking about? 798 00:39:56,540 --> 00:39:59,120 "i mean, i'm down for the self-help stuff. 799 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:00,660 "i'm down for-- okay, i can be clear. 800 00:40:00,710 --> 00:40:03,210 "i can get rid of the negative emotions. 801 00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:04,440 "but what the fuck is this?" 802 00:40:07,630 --> 00:40:10,550 When you get to the upper levels of scientology, 803 00:40:10,590 --> 00:40:12,640 The creation myth is explained to you. 804 00:40:12,670 --> 00:40:17,170 The story is that 75 million years ago, 805 00:40:17,230 --> 00:40:19,790 People lived in a world very much like the world 806 00:40:19,810 --> 00:40:22,430 Of america in the 1950s. 807 00:40:22,460 --> 00:40:24,650 People, at that particular time and space, 808 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,100 Were walking around in clothes which looked 809 00:40:27,130 --> 00:40:30,850 Very remarkably like the clothes they wear in this very minute. 810 00:40:30,910 --> 00:40:34,470 And the cars they drove looked exactly the same, 811 00:40:34,490 --> 00:40:38,030 And they walked down streets that looked like these streets. 812 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,450 It was a very similar world 813 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:41,780 And similar problems, 814 00:40:41,820 --> 00:40:44,120 One of which was overpopulation. 815 00:40:44,170 --> 00:40:45,870 They had elected a fellow 816 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,820 By the name of xenu to the supreme ruler. 817 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,920 There was a tyrannical overlord 818 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,660 Of the galactic confederacy named xenu. 819 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,380 In order to resolve this problem of overpopulation, 820 00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:58,850 He called people in, 821 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,350 Ostensibly for tax audits, 822 00:41:01,390 --> 00:41:04,640 And had them frozen with injections 823 00:41:04,670 --> 00:41:06,670 Of glycol to their heart. 824 00:41:06,690 --> 00:41:09,310 Boxed them up in boxes, threw 'em into space planes-- 825 00:41:09,340 --> 00:41:12,230 Dc-8 airplane is the exact copy 826 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,230 Of the space plane of that day. 827 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,320 They were flown to the prison planet, teegeeack-- 828 00:41:19,350 --> 00:41:20,820 It's actually the planet earth-- 829 00:41:20,850 --> 00:41:25,740 And these frozen bodies were then dropped into volcanoes. 830 00:41:25,830 --> 00:41:27,960 And then they set off hydrogen bombs 831 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,000 On the top of each volcano. 832 00:41:30,030 --> 00:41:32,300 And their disembodied spirits-- 833 00:41:32,330 --> 00:41:34,130 These are called thetans-- 834 00:41:34,170 --> 00:41:37,090 Floated out, and they were captured 835 00:41:37,140 --> 00:41:40,260 And forced to sit in front of movie screens. 836 00:41:40,310 --> 00:41:43,840 With a 3d, super colossal, motion picture. 837 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,890 They were shown images-- 838 00:41:45,930 --> 00:41:48,180 Implants, as hubbard would have it. 839 00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:49,900 Every man is shown crucified, 840 00:41:49,930 --> 00:41:52,570 So is the psychiatrist shown crucified. 841 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,320 And that's how he gets away with what he gets away with. 842 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,520 He electric-shocks people. 843 00:41:57,580 --> 00:42:00,390 And when a child is born, 844 00:42:00,410 --> 00:42:03,780 A thetan will leap inside the child's body 845 00:42:03,830 --> 00:42:07,230 At that very instant, and it becomes like the child's soul. 846 00:42:07,250 --> 00:42:10,590 More than one thetan might crowd into the body-- 847 00:42:10,620 --> 00:42:13,410 Hundreds, or thousands, might. 848 00:42:13,420 --> 00:42:15,460 They're the source of all of our neurosis, 849 00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:17,010 Fears, and anxieties. 850 00:42:19,050 --> 00:42:21,080 Then you are on the e-meter, 851 00:42:21,100 --> 00:42:22,460 By yourself, now. 852 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:23,930 You're soloing. 853 00:42:23,970 --> 00:42:27,350 You're supposed to scan, mentally, 854 00:42:27,390 --> 00:42:29,770 From your top of your head to your toes, 855 00:42:29,810 --> 00:42:33,860 To see if you can locate any alien beings. 856 00:42:33,890 --> 00:42:37,260 And when you do, you tell them to go away. 857 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,930 I kept on trying to audit. 858 00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:45,290 I could not figure out how i could have 859 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,540 All these spirits of dead people attached to me, 860 00:42:48,580 --> 00:42:50,380 Inside me, on me. 861 00:42:50,410 --> 00:42:52,440 I was clear. 862 00:42:52,460 --> 00:42:55,000 For god's sake, i was clear. 863 00:42:55,050 --> 00:42:57,170 People actually have breakdowns, 864 00:42:57,220 --> 00:42:58,630 You know, nervous breakdowns, 865 00:42:58,670 --> 00:43:01,170 Because they spend so much time thinking 866 00:43:01,220 --> 00:43:04,220 About being infested by these creatures. 867 00:43:04,260 --> 00:43:08,430 If you're really believing that, it can drive you crazy. 868 00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:12,770 869 00:43:19,740 --> 00:43:22,490 Those years of introspection 870 00:43:22,530 --> 00:43:26,280 Eventually led me to sincerely considering 871 00:43:26,310 --> 00:43:30,080 That i was so bad, 872 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:34,620 That i couldn't confront how bad i was. 873 00:43:34,660 --> 00:43:37,210 I didn't know it at the time, 874 00:43:37,260 --> 00:43:40,460 But a depression set in that was with me for years, 875 00:43:40,490 --> 00:43:43,510 And the worst thing was 876 00:43:43,550 --> 00:43:47,720 That lrh kept ordering me to more auditing. 877 00:43:47,770 --> 00:43:51,300 I had to find swords that were stuck in me-- 878 00:43:51,340 --> 00:43:53,440 Hypothetical swords, 879 00:43:53,470 --> 00:43:56,680 Imaginary swords that were causing all this pain. 880 00:43:56,690 --> 00:43:59,610 This auditing went on and on. 881 00:43:59,650 --> 00:44:01,400 It wasn't doing any good. 882 00:44:01,450 --> 00:44:03,850 I should have been left alone. 883 00:44:03,870 --> 00:44:07,200 But everything that i took offense with, 884 00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:09,960 I rationalized almost immediately. 885 00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:11,760 I had to. 886 00:44:11,790 --> 00:44:15,660 I could not continue in this game of scientology 887 00:44:15,700 --> 00:44:19,750 Without explaining away what he was doing. 888 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:24,300 It got to be a way of believing, 889 00:44:24,340 --> 00:44:28,560 And every one of us got into that. 890 00:44:28,590 --> 00:44:32,560 It was part of the mind control. 891 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,270 It was part of the cultic manipulation. 892 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,600 He was the master who did it to us, 893 00:44:39,650 --> 00:44:43,820 And we took it on and then we did it to ourselves. 894 00:44:43,860 --> 00:44:46,490 And i learned from it, 895 00:44:46,530 --> 00:44:49,700 That i would never ever again, 896 00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:52,360 You know, go-- do the bidding of a tyrant. 897 00:44:59,270 --> 00:45:02,540 898 00:45:02,580 --> 00:45:05,940 Hubbard questioned his own sanity 899 00:45:05,980 --> 00:45:09,050 And actually wrote a letter to the veteran's administration 900 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:10,920 Asking for psychiatric help 901 00:45:10,940 --> 00:45:14,350 That he seems never to have been given. 902 00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:18,440 I think that his whole creation of scientology 903 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,760 Really was a form of self-therapy. 904 00:45:20,780 --> 00:45:23,950 If he were just a fraud, then at some point, 905 00:45:23,980 --> 00:45:25,900 He would have taken the money and run, 906 00:45:25,930 --> 00:45:27,320 But he never did that. 907 00:45:27,370 --> 00:45:30,120 He spent much of his day on the e-meter, 908 00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:32,270 Trying to understand what was going on 909 00:45:32,290 --> 00:45:34,110 Inside his own mind. 910 00:45:35,830 --> 00:45:37,740 Hubbard became increasingly paranoid 911 00:45:37,780 --> 00:45:40,280 That a powerful thetan had infected his body 912 00:45:40,300 --> 00:45:42,250 And that regular auditing 913 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,000 Wasn't strong enough to make it leave. 914 00:45:45,050 --> 00:45:46,750 When larry wright was researching his book, 915 00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:49,420 He videotaped an interview with a scientologist 916 00:45:49,460 --> 00:45:52,810 Who was asked to help hubbard expel the thetan. 917 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,260 He was having, uh, problems 918 00:45:55,300 --> 00:45:58,350 Getting rid of a bt-- body thetan-- 919 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,070 So he wanted me to build a machine, 920 00:46:01,100 --> 00:46:03,600 And basically blow the thetan away, 921 00:46:03,650 --> 00:46:05,020 Just get him out of there. 922 00:46:05,070 --> 00:46:07,660 Blow him out. And also kill the body. 923 00:46:10,030 --> 00:46:11,980 Basically, yeah. Yeah. 924 00:46:13,450 --> 00:46:15,150 But i didn't want to kill him. 925 00:46:15,180 --> 00:46:17,050 I just wanted to scare him. 926 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:21,170 So i had read some books about nikola tesla and stuff, 927 00:46:21,210 --> 00:46:23,510 And i figured maybe buildin' a tesla coil 928 00:46:23,540 --> 00:46:26,260 Would probably be the best route to go. 929 00:46:27,930 --> 00:46:29,630 I had little electrodes 930 00:46:29,660 --> 00:46:31,550 That you hook it up to the e-meter, 931 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:32,660 So when he's on the cans, 932 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,800 Then, uh, he would just flip the button, 933 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,000 And it would do its thing. 934 00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:43,680 As far as i know. He blew up my e-meter. 935 00:46:43,690 --> 00:46:45,360 Burned it up. 936 00:46:48,030 --> 00:46:50,700 Scientology really is a journey 937 00:46:50,730 --> 00:46:53,150 Into the mind of l. Ron hubbard. 938 00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:56,370 And the further you get into it, 939 00:46:56,410 --> 00:46:59,710 The more like l. Ron hubbard you become. 940 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,340 Thank you. 941 00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:15,140 In 1980, lrh moved off the lines 942 00:47:15,180 --> 00:47:18,310 So that he could continue his writings 943 00:47:18,350 --> 00:47:21,510 And researches without any distractions. 944 00:47:24,100 --> 00:47:29,100 He has now moved on to his next ot-- 945 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,660 Level of ot research. 946 00:47:31,690 --> 00:47:35,060 This level is beyond anything any one of us ever imagined. 947 00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,860 This level is in fact done 948 00:47:37,900 --> 00:47:40,730 In an exterior state, 949 00:47:40,750 --> 00:47:43,170 Meaning that it is done completely exterior 950 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,170 From the body. 951 00:47:45,210 --> 00:47:48,070 At this level of ot, 952 00:47:48,090 --> 00:47:49,540 The body is nothing more 953 00:47:49,580 --> 00:47:52,240 Than an impediment and encumbrance 954 00:47:52,260 --> 00:47:55,130 To any further gain as an ot. 955 00:47:57,300 --> 00:47:59,050 Thus... 956 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,420 Thus, at 2000 hours, 957 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,690 Friday, the 24th of january, 958 00:48:06,730 --> 00:48:08,440 A.D. 36, 959 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,480 L. Ron hubbard discarded the body 960 00:48:10,530 --> 00:48:12,650 He had used in this lifetime 961 00:48:12,700 --> 00:48:16,790 For 74 years, 10 months, and 11 days. 962 00:48:16,820 --> 00:48:19,070 Although you may feel grief, 963 00:48:19,110 --> 00:48:22,910 Understand that he did not, and does not now. 964 00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:29,450 Hubbard died of a stroke in 1986, 965 00:48:29,470 --> 00:48:32,380 But he left no plan for succession. 966 00:48:32,420 --> 00:48:35,140 The ambitious david miscavige stepped forward, 967 00:48:35,170 --> 00:48:37,960 And by bending arms and making deals, 968 00:48:37,980 --> 00:48:39,620 Took control of the church 969 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,560 And installed a new generation of lieutenants. 970 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,260 We want to make sure 971 00:48:44,300 --> 00:48:47,770 That all of us end cycle on this completely, 972 00:48:47,820 --> 00:48:50,940 So we can get on with the job 973 00:48:50,970 --> 00:48:52,800 That is ahead of us. 974 00:48:52,820 --> 00:48:56,530 The first time i met miscavige was in '83. 975 00:48:56,580 --> 00:48:58,360 He was a guy running back and forth 976 00:48:58,410 --> 00:49:01,830 Between hubbard and the property in hemet in a van-- 977 00:49:01,870 --> 00:49:05,200 Back and forth, delivering messages. 978 00:49:05,250 --> 00:49:07,840 Worked my way through the organization. 979 00:49:07,870 --> 00:49:10,370 Miscavige would come down to florida, 980 00:49:10,420 --> 00:49:12,170 Where i was running the place, 981 00:49:12,210 --> 00:49:15,290 And we slowly but surely became friends. 982 00:49:15,330 --> 00:49:18,530 By 2001, i was working directly for miscavige. 983 00:49:19,470 --> 00:49:21,600 We'd sit and drink a bottle of scotch, 984 00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,870 And i'd hear everything he had to say about the church, 985 00:49:23,900 --> 00:49:26,570 And about the people involved, from his perspective. 986 00:49:26,610 --> 00:49:29,860 And honestly, it was-- it was, uh, horrifying. It was scary. 987 00:49:29,890 --> 00:49:32,510 In scientology, there was a concept 988 00:49:32,530 --> 00:49:35,680 That 98% of the people are good and 2% are evil. 989 00:49:35,700 --> 00:49:38,320 Well, he worked very hard to convince me 990 00:49:38,350 --> 00:49:39,950 That it was the other way around. 991 00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:43,240 2.5% were okay and the rest were very evil and bad. 992 00:49:43,290 --> 00:49:46,540 And somehow, they'd all been dumped on that base 993 00:49:46,580 --> 00:49:48,210 So they could be around him. 994 00:49:48,250 --> 00:49:50,410 He was-- he was extremely paranoid. 995 00:49:50,460 --> 00:49:54,220 So, marty, is miscavige a true believer? 996 00:49:54,250 --> 00:49:59,000 Uh, yes. 997 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,310 He has to continue to believe, 998 00:50:01,340 --> 00:50:03,110 Because if he looks at it rationally 999 00:50:03,140 --> 00:50:05,580 And he sees that it is as i say, 1000 00:50:05,610 --> 00:50:07,350 It will destroy him. 1001 00:50:07,380 --> 00:50:09,560 You know, he'll just realize that-- 1002 00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,100 Because he's done a lot worse than i've done. 1003 00:50:13,150 --> 00:50:15,990 He's abused people on a personal level, 1004 00:50:16,020 --> 00:50:19,910 Um, as a-- as a-- that's how he got to the top, 1005 00:50:19,940 --> 00:50:22,940 And that's how he stayed at the top. 1006 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,360 At the age of 11, 1007 00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,620 David miscavige joined the church with his parents. 1008 00:50:28,670 --> 00:50:31,620 As a child, his ambition caught hubbard's eye. 1009 00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:33,870 So when hubbard wanted to become a filmmaker, 1010 00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:36,710 Miscavige was his assistant cameraman. 1011 00:50:36,740 --> 00:50:38,340 An auditing prodigy, 1012 00:50:38,380 --> 00:50:40,810 He claimed scientology cured his asthma. 1013 00:50:40,850 --> 00:50:44,600 He became a sort of general contractor for the church, 1014 00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,770 And was soon named action chief-- 1015 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,470 The man who did whatever needed doing for a church 1016 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,920 That developed a scary reputation 1017 00:50:51,940 --> 00:50:53,730 For attacking its critics. 1018 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,440 Scientology has been in the headlines 1019 00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:56,950 Off and on for 25 years now, 1020 00:50:56,980 --> 00:50:59,760 Almost since the time it was founded as a religion. 1021 00:50:59,780 --> 00:51:01,980 Scientology's story is one of a church 1022 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,870 Embittered by what it perceives as harassment. 1023 00:51:04,910 --> 00:51:06,200 We're talking about attacks 1024 00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:08,110 From multi-billion dollar media conglomerates, 1025 00:51:08,130 --> 00:51:11,630 World governments-- real powers of the world. 1026 00:51:11,660 --> 00:51:14,330 They take enemies very seriously. 1027 00:51:14,380 --> 00:51:16,050 This comes right out of hubbard's own policies 1028 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,120 From the '60s, saying, "we never defend, we always attack." 1029 00:51:19,140 --> 00:51:21,140 And they have followed it ever since. 1030 00:51:21,170 --> 00:51:22,450 They call it "fair game," 1031 00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:25,590 And anybody who criticizes scientology is fair game. 1032 00:51:25,630 --> 00:51:27,140 Whatever you're told, 1033 00:51:27,180 --> 00:51:29,060 Whatever needs to be done, 1034 00:51:29,100 --> 00:51:31,600 If it's against the law, it doesn't matter. 1035 00:51:31,650 --> 00:51:33,980 The best example is, in the mid '70s, 1036 00:51:34,020 --> 00:51:37,770 Scientologists were walking in to these department of justice offices 1037 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,610 And irs offices and taking documents out by the yard. 1038 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,860 The fbi raided the church of scientology-- 1039 00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:46,080 The largest raid in fbi history at that time. 1040 00:51:46,110 --> 00:51:48,580 Oh my god. The building is filled with fbi, 1041 00:51:48,620 --> 00:51:50,370 And they're-- they're taking things. 1042 00:51:50,420 --> 00:51:52,150 It was craziness. 1043 00:51:52,170 --> 00:51:55,590 Clearly, l. Ron hubbard was in charge of all of that, 1044 00:51:55,620 --> 00:51:57,690 But he was only named an unindicted co-conspirator. 1045 00:51:57,720 --> 00:51:59,620 And mary sue hubbard, hubbard's wife, 1046 00:51:59,660 --> 00:52:02,880 She went to prison, 10 others went to prison. 1047 00:52:02,930 --> 00:52:05,430 This was where i cut my teeth. I was in my early 20s, 1048 00:52:05,470 --> 00:52:07,130 Miscavige was in his early 20s. 1049 00:52:07,170 --> 00:52:08,880 We were taking over for this group 1050 00:52:08,940 --> 00:52:11,720 That had created the largest domestic espionage operation 1051 00:52:11,770 --> 00:52:13,360 In the history of the united states. 1052 00:52:13,390 --> 00:52:14,860 They were breaking into offices, 1053 00:52:14,890 --> 00:52:17,640 Framing people. This is the activities of a church? 1054 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,140 There was a guy who, uh, you know, 1055 00:52:19,180 --> 00:52:21,200 Was a reporter for "the la times," 1056 00:52:21,230 --> 00:52:22,530 Whose dog was poisoned 1057 00:52:22,570 --> 00:52:24,780 While he was working on a scientology story. 1058 00:52:24,820 --> 00:52:27,040 Again and again while reporting the story, 1059 00:52:27,070 --> 00:52:29,960 We met many former members who describe scientology 1060 00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:33,360 As a dangerous and deeply paranoid organization. 1061 00:52:33,380 --> 00:52:36,130 They hired private detectives to harass people. 1062 00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:37,550 I have been sued twice. 1063 00:52:37,580 --> 00:52:38,800 Financial ruin. 1064 00:52:38,830 --> 00:52:40,000 Years of harassment. 1065 00:52:40,050 --> 00:52:41,870 Their homes broken into, have them beaten. 1066 00:52:41,890 --> 00:52:45,000 We chased her around. We followed her to the airport. 1067 00:52:45,060 --> 00:52:47,390 Gotten ahold of personal phone records. 1068 00:52:47,420 --> 00:52:49,810 Slashed their tires, break their car windows. 1069 00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,180 I was locked in a chicken wire cage. 1070 00:52:52,210 --> 00:52:55,680 Dangerous, horrifying, terrifying fraud. 1071 00:52:55,730 --> 00:52:57,520 A nightmare. 1072 00:52:57,550 --> 00:52:59,480 Many of their stories are corroborated 1073 00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,850 In sworn court testimony by up to a dozen other people. 1074 00:53:02,890 --> 00:53:04,570 Are they all lying? 1075 00:53:04,610 --> 00:53:05,770 They sat in a room, 1076 00:53:05,830 --> 00:53:07,230 They figured out what they were going to say... 1077 00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:10,080 My position, as the spokesperson, 1078 00:53:10,110 --> 00:53:13,530 Was to evade the question, 1079 00:53:13,570 --> 00:53:15,620 Or sleaze around some way, 1080 00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:17,620 Or give what was an acceptable answer, 1081 00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:19,750 Or something that i believed at the time. 1082 00:53:19,790 --> 00:53:21,710 Please welcome mr. Mike rinder. 1083 00:53:28,750 --> 00:53:31,100 Because scientology is perceived 1084 00:53:31,130 --> 00:53:33,850 And conceived by scientologists 1085 00:53:33,890 --> 00:53:37,220 As being the salvation for mankind, 1086 00:53:37,260 --> 00:53:40,060 You can have people that lie 1087 00:53:40,090 --> 00:53:42,930 With a very straight face 1088 00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:45,480 If they believe that what they are doing 1089 00:53:45,530 --> 00:53:48,270 Is protecting the church of scientology. 1090 00:53:48,290 --> 00:53:49,530 L. Ron hubbard says, 1091 00:53:49,570 --> 00:53:51,770 "we do not find critics of scientology 1092 00:53:51,790 --> 00:53:53,200 "who do not have criminal pasts." 1093 00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:55,460 Do you believe that? Sure. 1094 00:53:55,490 --> 00:53:58,040 People who oppose you are undoubtedly criminals? 1095 00:53:58,080 --> 00:53:59,490 I believe that, yeah. 1096 00:53:59,550 --> 00:54:02,050 You know, there isn't and hasn't been 1097 00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,750 Any effort which has been taken to, 1098 00:54:04,780 --> 00:54:06,630 Quote, "silence critics." 1099 00:54:06,670 --> 00:54:08,640 "no, that doesn't happen. 1100 00:54:08,670 --> 00:54:11,170 "oh, we would never do that." 1101 00:54:11,260 --> 00:54:13,170 But according to many insiders, 1102 00:54:13,230 --> 00:54:15,090 Hubbard was growing more and more vindictive 1103 00:54:15,130 --> 00:54:16,590 Toward those who stood in his way. 1104 00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:21,520 He created what he called the rehabilitation project force. 1105 00:54:21,570 --> 00:54:24,270 The rpf was what we called it. 1106 00:54:24,300 --> 00:54:25,600 It was the prison camp, 1107 00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,190 Where you'd go for re-indoctrination. 1108 00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:30,110 It was on the 7th floor 1109 00:54:30,140 --> 00:54:32,160 Of the hollywood headquarters, 1110 00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,330 A confined space to rehabilitate members 1111 00:54:35,370 --> 00:54:37,820 Who might be harboring subversive thoughts. 1112 00:54:37,830 --> 00:54:40,000 Spanky was sent to the rpf 1113 00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:41,870 When she objected to the way the church 1114 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,290 Had denied medical treatment to her boss. 1115 00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,710 I went thinking, of course, 1116 00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:48,340 This is a big mistake. 1117 00:54:48,380 --> 00:54:50,930 And then i got there, and there were like 200 of us. 1118 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,880 So much of the exec strata of the organization there 1119 00:54:53,930 --> 00:54:55,880 Hit the skids simultaneously. 1120 00:54:55,940 --> 00:54:59,640 Rpf stands for rehabilitation project force. 1121 00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:02,970 It is a program that is exclusively 1122 00:55:03,010 --> 00:55:05,690 For the benefit of sea organization members. 1123 00:55:05,730 --> 00:55:08,200 If they are stressed out, 1124 00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:10,010 If they're not doing well on their job, 1125 00:55:10,030 --> 00:55:13,280 Have them do menial-type work, 1126 00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,070 And five hours a day of auditing 1127 00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,460 And scientology training. 1128 00:55:19,490 --> 00:55:21,080 It's a fabulous program. 1129 00:55:21,130 --> 00:55:23,550 We were working-- cross my heart-- 1130 00:55:23,580 --> 00:55:25,830 30 hours on, three hours off. 1131 00:55:25,870 --> 00:55:27,200 Doing, like, hard labor, 1132 00:55:27,220 --> 00:55:29,370 Like having wire brushes on windowsills, 1133 00:55:29,390 --> 00:55:31,140 And sanding and sanding and sanding. 1134 00:55:31,170 --> 00:55:32,500 Breathing paint fumes. 1135 00:55:32,540 --> 00:55:34,710 The regular crew would eat first, 1136 00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:36,510 And then we'd get what was left. 1137 00:55:36,540 --> 00:55:38,390 It was kinda like table scraps. 1138 00:55:38,430 --> 00:55:41,210 There was mattresses out there on the roof, 1139 00:55:41,230 --> 00:55:43,710 And they were wet and soggy and gross. 1140 00:55:43,730 --> 00:55:45,650 And if you got to sleep for three hours, 1141 00:55:45,690 --> 00:55:49,150 Sometimes you'd just have to up there and crash out. 1142 00:55:50,660 --> 00:55:53,090 And i had a young child at that time, 1143 00:55:53,130 --> 00:55:55,460 Who was 10 months old when i went to the rpf. 1144 00:55:55,500 --> 00:55:57,360 She got taken and put in the cadet org, 1145 00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,170 The organization for the children. 1146 00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,950 And then i-- i got pregnant 1147 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:05,920 When i was in the rpf. 1148 00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,240 So now i'm sanding walls, eating table scraps, 1149 00:56:09,260 --> 00:56:13,680 Pregnant, and worrying myself sick about my child. 1150 00:56:13,710 --> 00:56:16,010 In spanky's time, the children 1151 00:56:16,050 --> 00:56:18,020 Of sea org members were separated 1152 00:56:18,050 --> 00:56:20,100 From their parents and raised in the cadet org 1153 00:56:20,140 --> 00:56:21,970 To remove all distractions 1154 00:56:22,020 --> 00:56:24,520 From their parent's ultimate responsibility, 1155 00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,520 To clear the planet. 1156 00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,140 Sea org members were often pressured to have abortions, 1157 00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,430 Because the church viewed "getting children" 1158 00:56:32,450 --> 00:56:34,930 As an unpractical burden. 1159 00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:37,120 Initially, you're like, "this is absurd. 1160 00:56:37,150 --> 00:56:38,290 "this is nuts." 1161 00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:42,070 And then you kinda settle in and go, "well... 1162 00:56:42,110 --> 00:56:46,610 "obviously, i need to deal with something 1163 00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:48,280 "that i'm not facing. 1164 00:56:48,300 --> 00:56:50,000 "so perhaps this is-- 1165 00:56:50,050 --> 00:56:52,080 "they're doing this to make me better." 1166 00:56:56,010 --> 00:56:58,670 There are so many bizarre stories that you-- 1167 00:56:58,730 --> 00:57:00,930 Just hard to believe stuff. 1168 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,960 They asked if i could arrange a private screening 1169 00:57:02,980 --> 00:57:04,350 Of "saturday night fever." 1170 00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,070 And i was like, "what?" 1171 00:57:08,100 --> 00:57:09,800 "i had disappeared from this man's life. 1172 00:57:09,820 --> 00:57:11,520 "i abandoned him, 1173 00:57:11,570 --> 00:57:13,970 "and now you want me to arrange a private screening? 1174 00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:15,360 "what are you--" 1175 00:57:15,410 --> 00:57:18,140 I said, "is there anything else? Maybe a beatles reunion?" 1176 00:57:20,530 --> 00:57:23,110 Travolta had been wondering where spanky was. 1177 00:57:23,150 --> 00:57:24,500 When she was sent to the rpf, 1178 00:57:24,530 --> 00:57:27,700 She was not allowed to contact him or anyone else. 1179 00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:29,820 But now, under the watch of a guard, 1180 00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,820 She was permitted to call travolta's assistant. 1181 00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,160 She said we could use john's personal print of the film, 1182 00:57:36,180 --> 00:57:38,930 Under one condition-- that you will see john. 1183 00:57:38,970 --> 00:57:40,880 I was so excited. 1184 00:57:40,930 --> 00:57:44,670 I hadn't had dialogue with him for many months. 1185 00:57:44,690 --> 00:57:47,060 We had the screening of the film, 1186 00:57:47,110 --> 00:57:48,520 And on the next night, 1187 00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,310 I was supposed to have dinner with johnny. 1188 00:57:51,340 --> 00:57:53,010 And after the screening, 1189 00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:55,900 I was abruptly told i wasn't going to see him, 1190 00:57:55,950 --> 00:57:57,820 And i needed to call and cancel. 1191 00:57:57,870 --> 00:58:02,690 He was truly angry at me for-- for-- 1192 00:58:02,710 --> 00:58:05,790 For having allowed this abuse of myself, you know, 1193 00:58:05,830 --> 00:58:09,460 And for having that-- so little of myself... 1194 00:58:11,250 --> 00:58:14,220 That i would allow this degree of degradation, 1195 00:58:14,250 --> 00:58:17,370 And, and um-- and-- 1196 00:58:17,390 --> 00:58:19,170 And he was my good friend, 1197 00:58:19,210 --> 00:58:22,590 And i knew that he was telling me the truth. 1198 00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:27,010 Those words were such a wakeup call for me. 1199 00:58:27,050 --> 00:58:30,210 And i went over there, to the cadet org. 1200 00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:31,930 There were so many sick children in there, 1201 00:58:32,020 --> 00:58:34,150 And my daughter was very, very ill-- 1202 00:58:34,190 --> 00:58:38,190 Burning up with fever, completely neglected, 1203 00:58:38,220 --> 00:58:40,740 In a urine-soaked crib. 1204 00:58:40,780 --> 00:58:43,560 Her eyes were so filled with mucus, 1205 00:58:43,580 --> 00:58:45,910 They were welded shut. 1206 00:58:45,950 --> 00:58:48,450 She had fruit flies on her body. 1207 00:58:48,500 --> 00:58:51,900 And i just-- i couldn't bear it. 1208 00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,510 I just went, "no, mmm-mmm, i'm done." 1209 00:58:54,540 --> 00:58:58,240 I mean, i just knew i could make these choices for me. 1210 00:58:58,260 --> 00:59:00,210 I could decide to give up my life 1211 00:59:00,250 --> 00:59:02,180 And do this to help the world, 1212 00:59:02,220 --> 00:59:04,470 But i couldn't make these choices for my children. 1213 00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,630 I just had to get her out. 1214 00:59:08,590 --> 00:59:11,690 I told them that i was having problems with my pregnancy, 1215 00:59:11,730 --> 00:59:13,730 And i needed to use the phone, 1216 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,560 So they sent a bodyguard with me. 1217 00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:19,480 I called one of the few non-scientologists i knew, 1218 00:59:19,530 --> 00:59:22,280 A wonderful woman who happened to work for john travolta. 1219 00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,870 I said, "meet me at this address." 1220 00:59:24,900 --> 00:59:26,700 I gave her a time and i hung up. 1221 00:59:26,740 --> 00:59:29,710 I go up to my daughter's room, and i wrapped her up. 1222 00:59:31,660 --> 00:59:34,750 And there's that bodyguard with me. 1223 00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,880 I said, "oh, my sister-in-law is in that car 1224 00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,280 "and she's gonna take the baby to the doctor." 1225 00:59:39,300 --> 00:59:40,720 He said, "well, has this been approved?" 1226 00:59:40,750 --> 00:59:43,300 "of course it was approved!" 1227 00:59:43,340 --> 00:59:45,810 She's in my arms, and i got in the car. 1228 00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,510 My friend, she just nods her head. 1229 00:59:50,060 --> 00:59:52,350 Boom! With that, i pull my leg in, shut that door. 1230 00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,650 She hits the locks, and we drive. 1231 00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:56,270 And people are yelling my name, 1232 00:59:56,300 --> 00:59:58,320 Saying, "spanky, no! No!" 1233 00:59:58,350 --> 01:00:00,410 I mean, just freaked out. 1234 01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,320 I'm thinkin' "i'm a dead person, 1235 01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:04,780 "something terrible is gonna happen to me." 1236 01:00:04,830 --> 01:00:06,660 I was just so frightened 1237 01:00:06,700 --> 01:00:09,860 That they would come to fetch me up. 1238 01:00:14,890 --> 01:00:16,120 One of the turning points 1239 01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,520 In travolta's relationship with the church 1240 01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:22,180 Is when he understood what was happening to spanky, 1241 01:00:22,210 --> 01:00:24,660 He didn't do anything about it. 1242 01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,430 I know that he certainly got exposed 1243 01:00:27,470 --> 01:00:30,440 To the fact that not everything was on the up and up. 1244 01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:33,100 Why that wasn't sufficient for him to leave, 1245 01:00:33,140 --> 01:00:35,220 I don't know. 1246 01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:40,180 I often wonder what-- what could possibly keep him there? 1247 01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:41,450 Can you recall an incident 1248 01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:43,710 Which occurred when your mother looked younger? 1249 01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:48,400 An auditor learns to keep notes contemporaneously 1250 01:00:48,460 --> 01:00:50,790 As he is doing a session, 1251 01:00:50,820 --> 01:00:54,210 About every detail of the person's life, 1252 01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,130 Back to birth and beyond. 1253 01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,630 If you do the whole program, 1254 01:00:58,670 --> 01:01:01,200 You end up with up to a file cabinet full 1255 01:01:01,220 --> 01:01:05,140 Of pre-clear folders on notations about your life, 1256 01:01:05,170 --> 01:01:08,170 Your thoughts, and your considerations about your life. 1257 01:01:08,210 --> 01:01:10,590 It's the most intimate detail. 1258 01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,390 You're always encouraged, you're always threatened, 1259 01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:18,350 To disclose more and more and more. And all of it's recorded. 1260 01:01:18,380 --> 01:01:19,820 All of this material, 1261 01:01:19,850 --> 01:01:22,400 Which is represented to you to be held sacrosanct-- 1262 01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,990 In fact, any information 1263 01:01:25,020 --> 01:01:27,740 That might do some harm to the organization, 1264 01:01:27,780 --> 01:01:30,230 Gets unclassified automatically 1265 01:01:30,250 --> 01:01:32,830 And gets reported to another branch of the church 1266 01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:35,030 That deals with "ethics." 1267 01:01:40,340 --> 01:01:42,910 Travolta was down in clearwater. 1268 01:01:42,930 --> 01:01:45,260 We'd finished the renovations. 1269 01:01:45,300 --> 01:01:47,600 Every auditing room had two cameras-- 1270 01:01:47,630 --> 01:01:50,920 One on the meter, and one on the guy getting auditing. 1271 01:01:50,930 --> 01:01:54,100 Miscavige would sit in this 15x15 room, 1272 01:01:54,140 --> 01:01:56,100 Cameras of every session. 1273 01:01:56,140 --> 01:01:57,590 You can flip in between 'em, 1274 01:01:57,610 --> 01:01:59,560 And he was watching these things. 1275 01:01:59,610 --> 01:02:01,110 And it was for "training purposes." 1276 01:02:01,140 --> 01:02:02,590 Well, travolta saw that, 1277 01:02:02,610 --> 01:02:05,530 And he said, "i will not be videoed." 1278 01:02:05,570 --> 01:02:08,530 So i was there when they were setting it up, 1279 01:02:08,570 --> 01:02:10,400 And miscavige was directing it. 1280 01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,240 "get him into a hotel room, 1281 01:02:12,270 --> 01:02:15,870 "hook up secret, private videos." 1282 01:02:16,940 --> 01:02:19,110 There were rumors 1283 01:02:19,130 --> 01:02:21,130 That he was threatening to leave, 1284 01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:24,050 And another scientologist told me that he was delegated 1285 01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:28,500 To create a black pr package-- all the damaging material 1286 01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:30,840 They could use against travolta, 1287 01:02:30,890 --> 01:02:33,140 Which came from his auditing sessions. 1288 01:02:33,180 --> 01:02:35,840 I know this because i used to do it 1289 01:02:35,900 --> 01:02:39,730 When i was the head of the office of special affairs. 1290 01:02:39,770 --> 01:02:41,520 We would put a team of people 1291 01:02:41,570 --> 01:02:44,770 Onto going through all of these pc folders 1292 01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:48,520 And finding things that they believe. 1293 01:02:48,580 --> 01:02:51,610 By exposing them or threatening to expose them, 1294 01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:55,250 They will cower the person 1295 01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,780 That they're worried about into silence. 1296 01:03:00,150 --> 01:03:01,620 There is a particular writing 1297 01:03:01,650 --> 01:03:06,260 Where hubbard is training these office of special affairs people 1298 01:03:06,290 --> 01:03:10,460 On how, when you use private information 1299 01:03:10,500 --> 01:03:13,850 To control somebody to do what you want them to do, 1300 01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,630 And to silence them from speaking out against scientology, 1301 01:03:16,670 --> 01:03:20,020 It's really not blackmail, because you're not asking for money. 1302 01:03:20,060 --> 01:03:21,970 But you're holding this secret information 1303 01:03:22,010 --> 01:03:24,310 Over the person's head to silence them. 1304 01:03:24,340 --> 01:03:26,510 As far as travolta is concerned, 1305 01:03:26,530 --> 01:03:29,850 People say, well, he-- there's all these things that we know about 1306 01:03:29,870 --> 01:03:31,700 That have been rumored in the tabloids. 1307 01:03:31,730 --> 01:03:34,540 But in fact, it's more of a two-way street. 1308 01:03:34,570 --> 01:03:36,290 You know, he's provided with an auditor 1309 01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:37,710 Whose shoulder he can cry on, 1310 01:03:37,740 --> 01:03:40,710 But he's also provided with the muscle of the church, 1311 01:03:40,740 --> 01:03:43,290 In the form of myself and mike rinder. 1312 01:03:43,330 --> 01:03:44,500 On many occasions, 1313 01:03:44,530 --> 01:03:46,630 We were sent out to get with his publicist, 1314 01:03:46,670 --> 01:03:47,830 To get with his lawyer, 1315 01:03:47,870 --> 01:03:50,670 And to help squash or intimidate these people 1316 01:03:50,700 --> 01:03:52,970 That are making accusations against him. 1317 01:03:53,010 --> 01:03:54,470 Once that happened, 1318 01:03:54,510 --> 01:03:57,640 I think he was really the church's captive. 1319 01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,430 Mr. John travolta! 1320 01:04:19,170 --> 01:04:21,730 When they were facing lawsuits and stuff like that, 1321 01:04:21,750 --> 01:04:23,030 He'd be brought forward, 1322 01:04:23,070 --> 01:04:25,870 And make his testimony about how great scientology is. 1323 01:04:25,910 --> 01:04:27,540 He had the opportunity 1324 01:04:27,570 --> 01:04:31,410 To affect the behavior of the church, and he chose not to. 1325 01:04:33,180 --> 01:04:35,850 Now i've been a scientologist for 23 years. 1326 01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,220 I've felt like a pioneer in many-- in many ways, 1327 01:04:38,270 --> 01:04:41,770 And i've-- i've seen my efforts come to fruition... 1328 01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:43,750 In various ways. 1329 01:04:43,770 --> 01:04:46,720 I think very few people can say that. 1330 01:04:46,780 --> 01:04:49,440 I've-- i'm part of a-- of a frontier in a way, 1331 01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,760 You know, that, that very few people ever get to be part of. 1332 01:05:27,070 --> 01:05:29,520 Thank you. 1333 01:05:29,570 --> 01:05:32,100 Welcome to church! 1334 01:05:32,140 --> 01:05:35,740 It was the biggest event in scientology history, 1335 01:05:35,780 --> 01:05:39,190 And of course, miscavige wanted to milk it for everything he had. 1336 01:05:39,250 --> 01:05:41,200 It's this grand, produced thing, 1337 01:05:41,250 --> 01:05:45,670 Where it's all a single person on a gigantic stage, 1338 01:05:45,700 --> 01:05:48,990 All this sort of nazi symbolism. 1339 01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:52,820 I clearly recall getting prepared for the event 1340 01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:54,630 And miscavige up in that office, 1341 01:05:54,660 --> 01:05:57,290 You know, going 18-20 hours a day 1342 01:05:57,330 --> 01:06:00,300 Writing this speech, and thinking to myself, 1343 01:06:00,330 --> 01:06:03,220 "my god, you know? This is not just 1344 01:06:03,270 --> 01:06:05,890 "a victory celebration, 1345 01:06:05,940 --> 01:06:08,270 "this is a-- this is a coup." 1346 01:06:08,310 --> 01:06:10,810 What we are going to talk about 1347 01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:14,650 Is the war to end all wars. 1348 01:06:14,700 --> 01:06:17,150 When you are in scientology, you are in all the way. 1349 01:06:17,180 --> 01:06:19,570 There's no half in and half out. 1350 01:06:19,620 --> 01:06:22,620 A decade into miscavige's leadership, 1351 01:06:22,660 --> 01:06:24,910 A simmering crisis finally came to a boil. 1352 01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:29,380 For years hubbard had insisted that scientology was a religion 1353 01:06:29,410 --> 01:06:31,460 And should be tax-exempt, 1354 01:06:31,500 --> 01:06:35,200 So he had refused to pay any taxes. 1355 01:06:35,220 --> 01:06:37,750 We were facing a tax bill 1356 01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:41,340 Of over a billion dollars, and the total assets, 1357 01:06:41,370 --> 01:06:44,930 Liquid and material, and property of the church 1358 01:06:44,980 --> 01:06:48,010 Was about a quarter of that at the time, in the '80s. 1359 01:06:48,060 --> 01:06:52,320 And so just from a real simple accounting basis, 1360 01:06:52,350 --> 01:06:53,680 It was life and death. 1361 01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:55,270 If we don't get exemption, we die. 1362 01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,220 If we get it, we survive. 1363 01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,110 As lrh said, 1364 01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:01,780 "one certainly couldn't contest anyone 1365 01:07:01,830 --> 01:07:04,560 "as holy as the commissioner of the irs, 1366 01:07:04,580 --> 01:07:09,120 "whom i believe gives god his orders." lrh. 1367 01:07:09,170 --> 01:07:11,120 Faced with this crisis, 1368 01:07:11,170 --> 01:07:13,900 David miscavige formulated a strategy. 1369 01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,960 Think of the nerve that it takes 1370 01:07:17,010 --> 01:07:19,760 To decide to take on a war with the irs. 1371 01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:21,630 The church of scientology 1372 01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:24,080 Has been crucifying the federal agency 1373 01:07:24,100 --> 01:07:26,470 For its sins on a regular basis, 1374 01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:28,550 Both in and out of courts. 1375 01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:32,220 Thousands of scientologists all filed lawsuits, 1376 01:07:32,260 --> 01:07:33,420 Not just against the irs, 1377 01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,310 But against individual irs employees. 1378 01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,260 2400 total lawsuits, 1379 01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:41,150 All going at the irs at one time. 1380 01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:42,900 It was a litigation nightmare. 1381 01:07:42,940 --> 01:07:45,620 Being miscavige's right-hand man, 1382 01:07:45,660 --> 01:07:47,570 I was in charge of all those efforts. 1383 01:07:47,610 --> 01:07:50,820 We were not only suing them in every possible jurisdiction there was, 1384 01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,740 We were investigating the irs for crimes generally, 1385 01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:55,330 Or things that would offend the public. 1386 01:07:55,380 --> 01:07:57,380 ...These hearings into irs integrity... 1387 01:07:57,420 --> 01:07:58,720 In the late '80s, 1388 01:07:58,750 --> 01:08:00,470 There were hearings about irs abuses 1389 01:08:00,500 --> 01:08:01,750 That had nothing to do with scientology, 1390 01:08:01,790 --> 01:08:02,920 Had nothing to do with nonprofits, 1391 01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:04,340 Had nothing to do with churches. 1392 01:08:04,390 --> 01:08:06,470 They had to do with joe taxpayer. 1393 01:08:06,510 --> 01:08:09,460 And they we were publishing these glossy, 1394 01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:10,900 Expensive magazines. 1395 01:08:10,930 --> 01:08:13,980 In fact, the exposés of irs crimes 1396 01:08:14,020 --> 01:08:16,900 Were so hated that possession of "freedom" magazine 1397 01:08:16,940 --> 01:08:19,850 Was banned by irs officials in the irs building. 1398 01:08:22,020 --> 01:08:26,910 There is going to be a irs conference in the catskills. 1399 01:08:26,950 --> 01:08:30,030 Right? And so we would send a pi, 1400 01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,080 Find out which hotel it's gonna be at, 1401 01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:35,320 Get down there during happy hour, socialize. 1402 01:08:35,340 --> 01:08:38,510 And this guy's tallying who's drinkin' what. 1403 01:08:38,540 --> 01:08:40,420 And so we go through freedom of information act 1404 01:08:40,460 --> 01:08:43,710 To find out that the taxpayers are paying the bar bill, 1405 01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:45,550 And it's so much money. 1406 01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:46,800 And of course, you know, 1407 01:08:46,830 --> 01:08:48,670 In the scheme of things, it's nothing. 1408 01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:50,550 But from a pr perspective, it's everything. 1409 01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:54,640 Irs officials told me to my face 1410 01:08:54,670 --> 01:08:57,110 They weren't interested in hearing anything 1411 01:08:57,140 --> 01:09:01,030 I had to say because, and i quote, 1412 01:09:01,060 --> 01:09:03,180 "you are a scientologist. 1413 01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:06,400 "you are a mindless robot." 1414 01:09:06,450 --> 01:09:10,200 Well, those who know me can imagine my response. 1415 01:09:12,580 --> 01:09:16,410 It was short, but certainly made the point. 1416 01:09:18,300 --> 01:09:22,130 A negotiation began to take place 1417 01:09:22,170 --> 01:09:26,420 Between the irs and the church of scientology. 1418 01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:28,390 How do you define a religion? 1419 01:09:28,420 --> 01:09:30,010 It's not so easy. 1420 01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:34,140 Why is one body of thinking a religion 1421 01:09:34,180 --> 01:09:36,650 And another body not? 1422 01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:41,490 The only organization entitled to make those distinctions 1423 01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,520 Is the irs as an agency-- 1424 01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:45,820 Very poorly equipped to do that. 1425 01:09:45,860 --> 01:09:47,610 I mean, they're mainly accountants and lawyers, 1426 01:09:47,660 --> 01:09:49,410 They're not theologians. 1427 01:09:49,450 --> 01:09:52,080 But it's the only opinion that matters. 1428 01:09:52,110 --> 01:09:55,370 Once the irs has decided that you are a religion, 1429 01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:59,540 Then you are protected by the vast protections 1430 01:09:59,590 --> 01:10:02,210 Of the first amendment. 1431 01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:05,090 And, as the saying goes, 1432 01:10:05,130 --> 01:10:08,750 The rest is history. On october the first, 1993, 1433 01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:11,850 At 8:37 pm eastern standard time, 1434 01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:15,100 The irs issued letters recognizing scientology 1435 01:10:15,140 --> 01:10:17,220 And every one of its organizations 1436 01:10:17,260 --> 01:10:20,440 As fully tax-exempt! The war is over! 1437 01:10:27,370 --> 01:10:29,230 The war ended 1438 01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:31,200 Because the irs surrendered. 1439 01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,400 It forgave the billion-dollar tax bill 1440 01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:37,070 And granted scientology its tax exemption. 1441 01:10:37,110 --> 01:10:39,880 Even hubbard's novels were declared religious texts, 1442 01:10:39,910 --> 01:10:43,080 Their sales exempt from taxes. 1443 01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:45,500 What happened is that fred goldberg, 1444 01:10:45,550 --> 01:10:48,340 Who was the irs commissioner at that time-- 1445 01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:51,220 Miscavige let goldberg know that if we could find a way 1446 01:10:51,260 --> 01:10:52,760 To get tax-exempt status, 1447 01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:54,620 All those lawsuits will go away overnight. 1448 01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:56,090 And as we were going out the door, 1449 01:10:56,130 --> 01:10:58,460 Fred goldberg goes, "is he serious?" 1450 01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:00,100 And i said, "yeah." 1451 01:11:00,130 --> 01:11:02,300 And he sort of breathed this sigh of relief, 1452 01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:04,490 Kind of nodded, and smiled. 1453 01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:07,270 At the church's victory party, 1454 01:11:07,310 --> 01:11:10,070 Miscavige projected photos of the church's executives 1455 01:11:10,110 --> 01:11:13,660 Celebrating with irs officials. 1456 01:11:13,700 --> 01:11:16,750 It created this tremendous juggernaut 1457 01:11:16,780 --> 01:11:21,370 Of tight conspiracy of the membership that then existed, 1458 01:11:21,420 --> 01:11:24,760 But what it really did was enable miscavige 1459 01:11:24,790 --> 01:11:28,040 To milk every last dime 1460 01:11:28,090 --> 01:11:29,880 Out of that core membership. 1461 01:11:29,930 --> 01:11:34,010 I am proud to announce the discrimination is over. 1462 01:11:34,050 --> 01:11:35,930 Your tax dona-- 1463 01:11:35,970 --> 01:11:38,000 Deductions on donations to scientology 1464 01:11:38,020 --> 01:11:41,560 Will no longer be disallowed by the internal revenue service. 1465 01:11:44,440 --> 01:11:46,890 In the '80s, while hubbard was in hiding, 1466 01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:50,530 Scientology was going through some very severe litigation, 1467 01:11:50,570 --> 01:11:52,400 In particular, a lawsuit in oregon, 1468 01:11:52,450 --> 01:11:53,980 And one in los angeles. 1469 01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:56,540 One of them did produce a $30 million judgment. 1470 01:11:56,570 --> 01:11:58,370 This scared scientology. 1471 01:11:58,410 --> 01:12:00,290 They realized they were vulnerable. 1472 01:12:00,330 --> 01:12:01,740 And so they asked scientologists, 1473 01:12:01,790 --> 01:12:03,990 "okay, give us a few thousand dollars. 1474 01:12:04,030 --> 01:12:06,250 "you'll get a nice ribbon or something. 1475 01:12:06,300 --> 01:12:08,370 "you're not gonna get any courses from it." and this was new, 1476 01:12:08,380 --> 01:12:10,370 The idea that you would give them money 1477 01:12:10,390 --> 01:12:12,550 Just to defend against lawsuits. 1478 01:12:12,590 --> 01:12:13,890 And that grew and grew. 1479 01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,720 Now scientologists are constantly 1480 01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:20,060 Under intense pressure just to hand money over. 1481 01:12:20,100 --> 01:12:22,650 They pitch themselves as being the underdog, 1482 01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:27,270 As being the victim. And you identify with that. 1483 01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:28,890 But then they start hitting you up 1484 01:12:28,900 --> 01:12:31,020 For bigger donations, and bigger-- and i got a lot of pressure. 1485 01:12:31,060 --> 01:12:34,270 And i think i donated another $250,000 to them under pressure. 1486 01:12:34,330 --> 01:12:35,890 They really know how to do it. 1487 01:12:35,910 --> 01:12:38,280 They really know how to do it, and he just was after me and after me. 1488 01:12:38,330 --> 01:12:40,530 And they said, "we're under attack, paul." 1489 01:12:40,570 --> 01:12:42,670 This one guy who donated $25 million, 1490 01:12:42,700 --> 01:12:45,070 For no-- you know, just straight donation, 1491 01:12:45,090 --> 01:12:47,500 To this-- to the scientology war chest. 1492 01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,010 Churches are tax-exempt 1493 01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:55,100 Because they're supposed to provide a public good. 1494 01:12:55,130 --> 01:12:57,260 To prove that good to the irs, 1495 01:12:57,300 --> 01:12:59,720 Churches aren't supposed to hoard their money. 1496 01:12:59,750 --> 01:13:03,720 They're supposed to spend it on services for the faithful. 1497 01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,890 Under this pretense, the church had made massive investments 1498 01:13:06,940 --> 01:13:08,980 In tax-free real estate all over the world. 1499 01:13:09,030 --> 01:13:11,700 And when it comes to labor costs, 1500 01:13:11,730 --> 01:13:15,400 They are almost free. 1501 01:13:15,430 --> 01:13:17,480 The max i got paid, you know, 1502 01:13:17,540 --> 01:13:20,270 On a weekly basis was 50 bucks, 1503 01:13:20,290 --> 01:13:22,240 Um, for 28 years. 1504 01:13:22,290 --> 01:13:25,610 Sea org workers take home something 1505 01:13:25,630 --> 01:13:29,210 Between six and 40 cents an hour. 1506 01:13:29,250 --> 01:13:32,950 So if you've got very low labor costs, 1507 01:13:32,970 --> 01:13:37,140 No taxes to pay, and wealthy people giving you donations, 1508 01:13:37,170 --> 01:13:41,810 You can see why scientology has amassed huge piles of money. 1509 01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:43,290 How much are they worth? 1510 01:13:43,310 --> 01:13:45,650 This was a bit of a mystery, but just recently, 1511 01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:47,960 I obtained tax records that scientology 1512 01:13:47,980 --> 01:13:49,800 Does have to turn in. 1513 01:13:49,820 --> 01:13:52,300 Three of the main entities of scientology-- 1514 01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:53,990 And there are 20 or 30 of them-- 1515 01:13:54,020 --> 01:13:56,470 But the top three, just on their own, 1516 01:13:56,490 --> 01:14:00,160 Have a book value of $1.5 billion. 1517 01:14:01,450 --> 01:14:04,620 It's stunning how much money a nonprofit 1518 01:14:04,650 --> 01:14:06,200 Has been able to amass. 1519 01:14:16,830 --> 01:14:20,800 It is a crime that we've given them religious recognition 1520 01:14:20,830 --> 01:14:22,500 And that they can hide behind it. 1521 01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:24,690 Meanwhile, you got very good people in there, 1522 01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:27,170 And their lives are being destroyed. 1523 01:14:27,190 --> 01:14:29,110 When i started this story, 1524 01:14:29,140 --> 01:14:32,480 I stumbled across an fbi investigation of the church. 1525 01:14:32,510 --> 01:14:35,350 They were investigating human trafficking. 1526 01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:38,450 It seemed that people were being confined against their will. 1527 01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:41,990 There were lots of reports of people being physically abused, 1528 01:14:42,020 --> 01:14:45,160 And the exploitation of labor and child labor. 1529 01:14:45,190 --> 01:14:49,240 All of these things were questions that the fbi had. 1530 01:14:49,300 --> 01:14:51,910 While that investigation was going on, 1531 01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:55,080 A case was being heard in colorado-- 1532 01:14:55,130 --> 01:14:58,000 The headleys, who were suing the church 1533 01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:01,720 For many of these same violations. 1534 01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:04,390 And the court ruled in that case 1535 01:15:04,430 --> 01:15:07,010 That these are all essentially practices 1536 01:15:07,050 --> 01:15:10,180 That are protected by the religious clause 1537 01:15:10,220 --> 01:15:12,880 Of the first amendment. 1538 01:15:12,900 --> 01:15:14,400 Once that ruling came out, 1539 01:15:14,440 --> 01:15:16,690 The fbi dropped its investigation. 1540 01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:21,190 I think it was an indication that the church is protected. 1541 01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:24,580 Before ending cycle completely on the irs, 1542 01:15:24,610 --> 01:15:27,250 There is one thing i do wish to do. 1543 01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,400 Sir. Done. 1544 01:16:27,260 --> 01:16:28,980 The "we stand tall" thing-- 1545 01:16:29,010 --> 01:16:31,760 This again was part of this whole irs thing. 1546 01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,260 And miscavige kind of had this song composed 1547 01:16:34,300 --> 01:16:36,570 By the musician group they had up at the studio. 1548 01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:38,520 He was trying to turn this into-- 1549 01:16:38,570 --> 01:16:41,410 This was a result of the power of this movement... 1550 01:16:50,620 --> 01:16:52,620 ...Which was such bullshit, 1551 01:16:52,650 --> 01:16:55,340 Because it was all about control. 1552 01:16:55,370 --> 01:16:59,320 When he got absolute control, he went absolutely bonkers. 1553 01:17:12,220 --> 01:17:14,020 You know, most religions are tax-exempt 1554 01:17:14,060 --> 01:17:16,020 And many have beliefs and practices 1555 01:17:16,060 --> 01:17:19,280 That in the modern context would be considered strange. 1556 01:17:19,310 --> 01:17:20,890 Is scientology any different? 1557 01:17:20,950 --> 01:17:22,230 I mean, if you go to a christian 1558 01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:25,150 Or a jew or a muslim, and ask them, 1559 01:17:25,180 --> 01:17:26,680 "what do you believe?", 1560 01:17:26,700 --> 01:17:28,320 They can basically describe 1561 01:17:28,350 --> 01:17:31,370 The most important parts of their religion 1562 01:17:31,410 --> 01:17:32,990 In a minute or two. 1563 01:17:33,020 --> 01:17:34,690 Well, what does a scientologist believe? 1564 01:17:34,710 --> 01:17:37,460 You need to be in scientology for seven or eight years, 1565 01:17:37,500 --> 01:17:39,860 And in for a couple hundred thousand dollars, 1566 01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:41,920 Before you finally learn this backstory 1567 01:17:41,970 --> 01:17:43,830 Of xenu the galactic overlord. 1568 01:17:43,870 --> 01:17:45,750 Now, if you were told that on day one, 1569 01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:47,750 How many people would join? 1570 01:17:47,810 --> 01:17:49,470 But if they were upfront about it, 1571 01:17:49,510 --> 01:17:51,090 I'd have more respect for them. 1572 01:17:51,140 --> 01:17:52,840 But it's that sort of bait and switch 1573 01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:54,980 That people are told, "oh, it's an applied philosophy 1574 01:17:55,010 --> 01:17:57,050 "to help you with your communication." 1575 01:17:57,070 --> 01:17:58,730 Oh, yeah? 1576 01:17:58,770 --> 01:18:01,050 So why is tom cruise paying 1,000 bucks 1577 01:18:01,070 --> 01:18:04,220 To have invisible aliens pulled out of his body? 1578 01:18:12,700 --> 01:18:14,500 What happens when your zone of influence 1579 01:18:14,530 --> 01:18:16,030 Is the global stage? 1580 01:18:16,070 --> 01:18:20,500 How much must one do to call themselves a scientologist? 1581 01:18:20,540 --> 01:18:23,570 How much so that when their head hits the pillow, 1582 01:18:23,590 --> 01:18:25,710 They can live with themselves, 1583 01:18:25,740 --> 01:18:28,460 Knowing they did all they could do? 1584 01:18:28,510 --> 01:18:30,800 That is our final story this evening. 1585 01:18:30,850 --> 01:18:34,470 It's a story that affects every scientologist, 1586 01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:38,690 For all of us are the beneficiaries of what he presents. 1587 01:18:40,610 --> 01:18:43,310 Tom cruise was the guy. 1588 01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:47,530 Miscavige and cruise had been pretty buddy-buddy, 1589 01:18:47,570 --> 01:18:50,650 Way back to "days of thunder." 1590 01:18:50,700 --> 01:18:54,700 He was on the set with him, he went skydiving with him, 1591 01:18:54,740 --> 01:18:58,070 Was hangin' out with him all the time. 1592 01:18:58,130 --> 01:19:00,780 And that was when tom first met nicole. 1593 01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:03,250 He had really fallen for her. 1594 01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:04,580 They got married, 1595 01:19:04,620 --> 01:19:07,670 And this posed a dilemma for the church, 1596 01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:09,170 Because her father 1597 01:19:09,220 --> 01:19:13,390 Is a well-known psychologist in australia. 1598 01:19:13,430 --> 01:19:15,680 From the church's perspective, he's the enemy. 1599 01:19:15,730 --> 01:19:17,640 He's a suppressive person. 1600 01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:19,310 How could you ignore me like this? 1601 01:19:19,350 --> 01:19:21,060 Because nicole is still 1602 01:19:21,100 --> 01:19:23,650 In a relationship with her father, 1603 01:19:23,690 --> 01:19:25,970 That makes her dangerous. 1604 01:19:25,990 --> 01:19:29,520 She's a potential trouble source, pts. 1605 01:19:29,580 --> 01:19:33,330 And because tom is related to her, 1606 01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:36,780 This all causes trouble from the church's perspective. 1607 01:19:36,830 --> 01:19:38,700 You have to break that dynamic. 1608 01:19:38,750 --> 01:19:41,820 Nicole-- her biggest beef 1609 01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:46,540 Was that tom was becoming increasingly like dave. 1610 01:19:46,590 --> 01:19:49,330 She really got him to drift away from the church, 1611 01:19:49,340 --> 01:19:53,210 And tom was not really actively involved in scientology 1612 01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:56,970 Between '92-ish all the way up until 2001. 1613 01:19:58,350 --> 01:20:02,110 They were away for more than a year 1614 01:20:02,140 --> 01:20:04,940 Shooting "eyes wide shut" in the uk. 1615 01:20:04,980 --> 01:20:08,900 And cruise was not in touch with miscavige, 1616 01:20:08,950 --> 01:20:11,280 And this drove miscavige crazy. 1617 01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:14,020 I was assigned to, um, get him back in. 1618 01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:17,320 And that was coincident with, and-- and i was to facilitate 1619 01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:19,660 The breakup with nicole kidman. 1620 01:20:19,690 --> 01:20:21,570 And how'd you do that? 1621 01:20:21,630 --> 01:20:24,210 Uh, well, through a lot of auditing. 1622 01:20:24,250 --> 01:20:27,830 And every session i ever gave to tom cruise-- 1623 01:20:27,870 --> 01:20:31,920 And there was dozens upon dozens of them over a three-year period-- 1624 01:20:31,970 --> 01:20:33,700 I had to write detailed reports 1625 01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:36,220 And send them directly to david miscavige. 1626 01:20:36,260 --> 01:20:38,640 I would sit there every night with our scotch 1627 01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:40,980 And watch and listen to miscavige comment 1628 01:20:41,010 --> 01:20:44,680 About cruise's sex life, and what-- yeah, 1629 01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:46,520 How perverted he was. 1630 01:20:46,550 --> 01:20:50,220 Why is he gettin' daily reports on cruise? 1631 01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:52,740 Miscavige really wanted to get him back 1632 01:20:52,770 --> 01:20:54,410 Into being somebody that he could use 1633 01:20:54,440 --> 01:20:58,280 To lure people into scientology and increase his own status. 1634 01:20:58,330 --> 01:21:01,110 And i was also involved in the legal team 1635 01:21:01,170 --> 01:21:06,090 And actually hiring investigators to investigate nicole. 1636 01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:07,750 Men have to stick it in every place they can, 1637 01:21:07,790 --> 01:21:09,790 But for women-- women, it is just about 1638 01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:11,710 Security and commitment-- 1639 01:21:11,740 --> 01:21:14,010 Tom wanted to know exactly who she was talking to, 1640 01:21:14,050 --> 01:21:16,850 And so he wanted to tap her phone. 1641 01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:20,770 If you men only knew. 1642 01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:22,270 When i reported that day to miscavige, 1643 01:21:22,300 --> 01:21:25,590 I reported it, like, "i mean, he wants to tap her phone." 1644 01:21:25,610 --> 01:21:27,890 He said, "god damn it, get it done." 1645 01:21:27,930 --> 01:21:31,730 And so i arranged, through the scientology's consigliere, 1646 01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:34,360 To get a private investigator 1647 01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,950 Who physically installed a wiretap on her home. 1648 01:21:36,990 --> 01:21:38,940 And those tapes would come in, 1649 01:21:38,950 --> 01:21:42,410 And i forwarded them to dave miscavige. 1650 01:21:42,460 --> 01:21:44,910 The church then turned its attention 1651 01:21:44,940 --> 01:21:49,210 To their adopted children, to turn them against their mother 1652 01:21:49,250 --> 01:21:52,300 And make sure that the custody went to tom. 1653 01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:58,470 Tommy davis, he was my liaison 1654 01:21:58,510 --> 01:22:01,810 Who had to do all the things that are required 1655 01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:03,230 To please tom cruise 1656 01:22:03,260 --> 01:22:05,980 While he was being put through the scientology hoops by me. 1657 01:22:06,010 --> 01:22:10,520 He also was part of this whole reeducation program, 1658 01:22:10,570 --> 01:22:13,690 So that they would conclude that their mother 1659 01:22:13,740 --> 01:22:16,190 Was a suppressive person. 1660 01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:18,410 And that was successful. 1661 01:22:18,440 --> 01:22:20,330 It was all going according to plan. 1662 01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:23,080 And of course, miscavige would really 1663 01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:25,870 Pump the oxygen into that little fire, you know. 1664 01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:30,320 Miscavige was brilliant at flaming people's fears, 1665 01:22:30,340 --> 01:22:32,460 And building up their egos. 1666 01:22:34,540 --> 01:22:37,210 So you were being audited by marty 1667 01:22:37,260 --> 01:22:39,350 At the same time he was auditing cruise? 1668 01:22:39,380 --> 01:22:41,660 Oh, yeah, yeah, i was-- yeah, tom cruise. 1669 01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:44,180 Tom would go in, and i would go in, and tom would go in, 1670 01:22:44,220 --> 01:22:46,850 And i would go in, and so, you know... 1671 01:22:46,890 --> 01:22:49,860 And i had been audited by the best auditors on the planet. 1672 01:22:49,890 --> 01:22:52,140 The best auditor, hands down, 1673 01:22:52,180 --> 01:22:54,730 I mean, like-- like kinda michael jordan, 1674 01:22:54,780 --> 01:22:57,400 Wayne gretsky, kinda auditor is marty. 1675 01:22:57,450 --> 01:23:00,030 1676 01:23:01,070 --> 01:23:03,040 They stole him, you know? 1677 01:23:03,070 --> 01:23:06,190 Tom thinks he's supposed to be david miscavige. 1678 01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:10,540 By 2004, tom cruise was the most gung-ho scientologist in the world, 1679 01:23:10,580 --> 01:23:12,750 And miscavige wanted to recognize him for it. 1680 01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,530 He called it the freedom medal of valor 1681 01:23:15,550 --> 01:23:19,090 And they put together this 35-minute video. 1682 01:23:19,140 --> 01:23:24,010 Ias freedom medal of valor winner, tom cruise! 1683 01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:26,380 In it, they just pump up this idea 1684 01:23:26,390 --> 01:23:31,060 That tom cruise is the ambassador of scientology to the world. 1685 01:23:31,100 --> 01:23:33,770 He's known as the biggest movie star ever. 1686 01:23:33,820 --> 01:23:35,550 Tom cruise travels this world, 1687 01:23:35,570 --> 01:23:37,720 Meeting with ministers, ambassadors, 1688 01:23:37,740 --> 01:23:39,320 And the american state department, 1689 01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:44,360 Advancing lrh technology straight into the corridors of power. 1690 01:23:44,410 --> 01:23:46,030 It's about improving conditions. 1691 01:23:46,060 --> 01:23:48,200 It allows you to find out for yourself. 1692 01:23:48,230 --> 01:23:49,700 There's things that we can do to help. 1693 01:23:49,750 --> 01:23:51,500 They even did a calculation, 1694 01:23:51,540 --> 01:23:53,670 Where they figured between his films 1695 01:23:53,710 --> 01:23:55,740 And all the "opinion leaders" that he had met 1696 01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:57,370 And all the travel he had done... 1697 01:23:57,410 --> 01:24:00,260 Tom cruise has introduced lrh technology 1698 01:24:00,300 --> 01:24:03,910 To over one billion people of earth. 1699 01:24:03,930 --> 01:24:07,220 No question, he has been a huge asset to them. 1700 01:24:07,270 --> 01:24:09,920 Which is why the story of tom cruise, 1701 01:24:09,940 --> 01:24:15,060 Scientologist, has only just begun. 1702 01:24:15,090 --> 01:24:17,090 I think it's a privilege to call yourself a scientologist, 1703 01:24:17,110 --> 01:24:18,950 And it's something that you have to earn. 1704 01:24:18,980 --> 01:24:20,900 Scientology loves to use this word "end phenomena." 1705 01:24:20,930 --> 01:24:23,780 Every level has an end phenomena, 1706 01:24:23,820 --> 01:24:25,120 You know, that you attain, 1707 01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:28,150 And tom cruise shows that. 1708 01:24:28,210 --> 01:24:30,660 That video with him in the black turtleneck sweater? 1709 01:24:30,710 --> 01:24:32,460 A scientologist is someone who can look at the world 1710 01:24:32,490 --> 01:24:34,610 And really see what it is. 1711 01:24:34,630 --> 01:24:37,750 Not only look at it and see it, but be able to go, 1712 01:24:37,780 --> 01:24:41,000 Poof, and be effective, and do something about it. 1713 01:24:41,090 --> 01:24:43,920 And he's as arrogant and as untouchable 1714 01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:45,340 As could possibly be. 1715 01:24:45,390 --> 01:24:48,470 At the same time, he looks like an utter crazy paranoiac. 1716 01:24:50,630 --> 01:24:55,270 And, uh... I know-- you know, she... 1717 01:24:55,300 --> 01:24:58,940 They, said, "so, like have you met an sp?" 1718 01:25:03,310 --> 01:25:06,110 And i looked at her, 1719 01:25:06,140 --> 01:25:09,080 And i thought, "oh, what a beautiful thing," 1720 01:25:09,110 --> 01:25:11,780 Because maybe one day, it'll be like that. 1721 01:25:11,820 --> 01:25:13,920 You know what i'm saying? Maybe one day, 1722 01:25:13,950 --> 01:25:16,790 It will be that-- "wow. Sp's?" 1723 01:25:16,820 --> 01:25:18,370 Like, they'll just read about those 1724 01:25:18,420 --> 01:25:20,320 In the history books, you know? 1725 01:25:20,340 --> 01:25:22,210 That's where it takes you. 1726 01:25:22,260 --> 01:25:25,850 That's the end phenomena of the scientology bridge. 1727 01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:27,960 All scientologists are full of shit. 1728 01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,130 You know, they lie. "aw, i'm doing great! 1729 01:25:30,170 --> 01:25:32,020 "you gotta get on seven." 1730 01:25:32,050 --> 01:25:34,020 You know, and they're fucking-- 1731 01:25:34,060 --> 01:25:36,440 "i've got a fucking migraine right now, 1732 01:25:36,470 --> 01:25:39,280 "and i've never felt so shitty!" 1733 01:25:39,310 --> 01:25:41,680 You know, that's the fucking life. 1734 01:25:44,030 --> 01:25:47,020 There's nothing part of the way for me! 1735 01:25:49,190 --> 01:25:50,790 It's just-- whoo! 1736 01:25:50,820 --> 01:25:52,620 He drank the kool-aid. 1737 01:25:52,660 --> 01:25:55,120 And in the eyes of miscavige, 1738 01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:59,710 Tom cruise is the perfect scientology celebrity. 1739 01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:02,580 And nobody's benefited more from his membership. 1740 01:26:02,630 --> 01:26:05,250 I mean, the amount of free sea org labor. 1741 01:26:05,300 --> 01:26:08,700 Sea org members make 40 cents an hour, 1742 01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:10,510 And i don't think there's any way 1743 01:26:10,540 --> 01:26:12,310 Tom cruise is not aware of that. 1744 01:26:12,340 --> 01:26:13,680 The church has done so much for him. 1745 01:26:13,710 --> 01:26:15,900 They tricked out all his cars and his motorcycles. 1746 01:26:15,930 --> 01:26:19,350 "oh, i want a new limo." "we'll build it for you." 1747 01:26:19,380 --> 01:26:22,490 Decked out tom cruise's hangar in santa monica. 1748 01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:26,570 Installed all the audiovisual stuff in cruise's home. 1749 01:26:26,610 --> 01:26:28,910 Tom cruise had expressed this fantasy 1750 01:26:28,940 --> 01:26:32,250 Of wanting to run through a meadow with nicole kidman. 1751 01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:34,580 And so everybody had to work, and till the soil. 1752 01:26:34,620 --> 01:26:36,870 And then david miscavige didn't like it, 1753 01:26:36,950 --> 01:26:39,440 And so the whole thing had to be ripped up again. 1754 01:26:39,470 --> 01:26:41,750 This was at the gold facility, 1755 01:26:41,790 --> 01:26:43,420 Which is this desert facility, 1756 01:26:43,460 --> 01:26:45,840 Where this is all kinds of great stuff, 1757 01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:47,430 If you're tom cruise, you know? 1758 01:26:47,550 --> 01:26:49,130 Wonderful living quarters and a gym. 1759 01:26:49,180 --> 01:26:51,800 When cruise comes up, everyone's told in advance, 1760 01:26:51,850 --> 01:26:53,750 "you better have a fucking smile on your face." 1761 01:26:53,770 --> 01:26:55,850 Everyone had to call cruise "sir." 1762 01:26:55,890 --> 01:26:59,860 1763 01:27:18,710 --> 01:27:21,660 Thank you. 1764 01:27:21,710 --> 01:27:23,630 It's this side-by-side world. 1765 01:27:23,670 --> 01:27:25,830 There are celebrities like cruise and travolta, 1766 01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:27,330 And then, you know, there are people 1767 01:27:27,390 --> 01:27:30,640 Who tell terrible tales of what happened to them in the church-- 1768 01:27:30,670 --> 01:27:35,170 Being imprisoned and really horrible psychological games. 1769 01:27:37,460 --> 01:27:39,760 Tom was in spain. 1770 01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:44,020 They were opening up a new scientology church in madrid. 1771 01:27:44,070 --> 01:27:46,690 And he was overheard to complain 1772 01:27:46,740 --> 01:27:48,650 That he needed a new girlfriend. 1773 01:27:48,690 --> 01:27:52,660 Soon after that, a young scientologist premed student 1774 01:27:52,690 --> 01:27:55,750 Named nazanin boniadi-- she was told 1775 01:27:55,780 --> 01:27:58,410 That she was going to get a special assignment. 1776 01:27:58,450 --> 01:28:00,150 ...Number of transactions increase... 1777 01:28:00,170 --> 01:28:03,090 Years later, nazanin became a successful tv actress 1778 01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:06,510 And she would have a small part in a paul haggis film. 1779 01:28:06,540 --> 01:28:09,430 But at the time, she was a dedicated young scientologist 1780 01:28:09,460 --> 01:28:11,490 Who believed in the church's claims 1781 01:28:11,510 --> 01:28:13,460 For its humanitarian mission. 1782 01:28:13,500 --> 01:28:15,770 In fact, she set a monthly record 1783 01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:19,020 For selling books for the church. 1784 01:28:19,050 --> 01:28:22,510 Nazanin may not speak publicly about her experiences 1785 01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:25,530 Because of an nda the church pressured her to sign, 1786 01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:28,840 But i discovered details from fbi testimony 1787 01:28:28,860 --> 01:28:31,110 Regarding her ordeal. 1788 01:28:31,150 --> 01:28:33,650 David miscavige assigned nazanin's case 1789 01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:36,290 To a key church official, greg wilhere. 1790 01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:38,450 He put her through a one-month program 1791 01:28:38,490 --> 01:28:43,330 Of on-camera interviews, intensive auditing, and security checks. 1792 01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:45,550 She was moved into the celebrity center, 1793 01:28:45,580 --> 01:28:49,030 Separated from her family, and certain problems were addressed 1794 01:28:49,050 --> 01:28:50,630 During this period of time. 1795 01:28:50,670 --> 01:28:52,970 One was, she had a boyfriend. 1796 01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:56,920 She is handed a transcript of his auditing session, 1797 01:28:56,980 --> 01:28:59,380 In which he admitted that he had an affair. 1798 01:28:59,390 --> 01:29:01,430 And so she broke up with him. 1799 01:29:01,480 --> 01:29:03,760 Then wilhere took her to an orthodontist 1800 01:29:03,820 --> 01:29:05,010 To have her braces removed. 1801 01:29:05,050 --> 01:29:07,180 At burberry and other stores in beverly hills, 1802 01:29:07,220 --> 01:29:10,890 He bought her $20,000 worth of clothes. 1803 01:29:10,910 --> 01:29:13,240 At the celebrity centre, a man who worked 1804 01:29:13,270 --> 01:29:14,820 For cruise's hair stylist 1805 01:29:14,860 --> 01:29:17,890 Colored nazanin's hair to cruise's liking. 1806 01:29:17,910 --> 01:29:19,910 Nazanin was told that her makeover 1807 01:29:19,950 --> 01:29:22,780 Was a part of the church's humanitarian mission. 1808 01:29:22,830 --> 01:29:27,240 She had to look her best for conferences with world leaders. 1809 01:29:29,620 --> 01:29:32,910 Only after she was flown first class to new york 1810 01:29:32,930 --> 01:29:34,790 Did she discover the actual role 1811 01:29:34,850 --> 01:29:37,130 That the church wanted her to play. 1812 01:29:37,180 --> 01:29:41,880 She was to be the girlfriend of scientology's biggest star. 1813 01:29:43,390 --> 01:29:46,610 Within a month, nazanin was living with cruise. 1814 01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:48,560 While at his house in telluride, 1815 01:29:48,590 --> 01:29:50,030 Miscavige came to visit. 1816 01:29:50,060 --> 01:29:52,200 Overcome by a severe headache, 1817 01:29:52,230 --> 01:29:55,100 Nazanin had a hard time understanding miscavige, 1818 01:29:55,130 --> 01:29:56,630 Which infuriated him. 1819 01:29:56,670 --> 01:29:59,100 The next day, cruise, inches from her face, 1820 01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:01,950 Pounded his fist on the table and screamed at her 1821 01:30:01,990 --> 01:30:04,240 For insulting the head of the church. 1822 01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:06,610 Two weeks later, church henchman tommy davis 1823 01:30:06,630 --> 01:30:09,160 Delivered the news to nazanin-- 1824 01:30:09,210 --> 01:30:11,660 The relationship with cruise was over. 1825 01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:13,000 And they, according to her, 1826 01:30:13,050 --> 01:30:15,220 Came to her apartment with her mom 1827 01:30:15,250 --> 01:30:18,090 And found every photograph of the two of them together, 1828 01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:21,060 And took them away. Every scrap, every letter, everything, 1829 01:30:21,090 --> 01:30:23,840 They... As if it never existed. 1830 01:30:23,900 --> 01:30:25,850 And she was really upset, 1831 01:30:25,900 --> 01:30:28,560 Because she had been really hurt by the whole thing. 1832 01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:31,130 And she made the mistake of telling her friend, 1833 01:30:31,150 --> 01:30:34,490 Who immediately went to tell someone in the church. 1834 01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:36,970 She agreed to do punishments, 1835 01:30:36,990 --> 01:30:39,190 Like cleaning out the public bathrooms 1836 01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:42,280 On her hands and knees with a toothbrush, 1837 01:30:42,310 --> 01:30:47,030 While other people she knew were stepping over her. 1838 01:30:47,090 --> 01:30:49,040 She did nothing wrong, other than tell her friend 1839 01:30:49,090 --> 01:30:51,590 That she was heartbroken, and this is the way she was treated? 1840 01:30:51,620 --> 01:30:53,510 1841 01:30:53,540 --> 01:30:56,490 The church claims that miscavige has no involvement 1842 01:30:56,510 --> 01:30:58,490 In cruise's personal life 1843 01:30:58,510 --> 01:31:02,550 And that the search for cruise's girlfriend never existed. 1844 01:31:05,440 --> 01:31:09,360 I wanna tell you something. 1845 01:31:09,390 --> 01:31:13,030 I have never met a more competent, 1846 01:31:13,060 --> 01:31:16,060 A more intelligent, a more tolerant, 1847 01:31:16,110 --> 01:31:18,350 A more compassionate being, 1848 01:31:18,370 --> 01:31:23,570 Outside of what i've experienced from lrh. 1849 01:31:23,620 --> 01:31:26,660 And i've met the leaders of leaders. 1850 01:31:26,690 --> 01:31:28,740 Okay? I've met them all. 1851 01:31:28,790 --> 01:31:30,190 And so i say to you, sir, cob, 1852 01:31:30,210 --> 01:31:33,030 We are lucky to have you and thank you very much. 1853 01:31:34,370 --> 01:31:36,330 While miscavige would do anything 1854 01:31:36,380 --> 01:31:38,500 For the church's most famous celebrity, 1855 01:31:38,550 --> 01:31:40,420 Miscavige began to turn against 1856 01:31:40,470 --> 01:31:43,420 The sea org's highest-ranking executives. 1857 01:31:43,470 --> 01:31:47,060 He pretty much had international management shut down. 1858 01:31:47,100 --> 01:31:49,350 He was into this deep paranoia thing 1859 01:31:49,380 --> 01:31:50,900 About everybody is out to get him. 1860 01:31:50,930 --> 01:31:53,930 He very definitely 1861 01:31:53,990 --> 01:31:56,550 Wiped out that organizational pattern 1862 01:31:56,570 --> 01:31:58,900 In order to be able to have ultimate power. 1863 01:31:58,940 --> 01:32:01,190 In 2004, 1864 01:32:01,230 --> 01:32:04,240 Miscavige ordered the top officers of the sea org 1865 01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:06,530 To the scientology's gold base 1866 01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:08,080 In southern california. 1867 01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:11,170 He forced them to live in a pair of double-wide trailers 1868 01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:13,590 That came to be called "the hole." 1869 01:32:13,620 --> 01:32:15,590 The doors had bars put on them, 1870 01:32:15,620 --> 01:32:17,920 The windows all had bars put on them, 1871 01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:20,340 And there was one entrance door 1872 01:32:20,380 --> 01:32:23,510 That a security guard sat at 24 hours a day. 1873 01:32:23,550 --> 01:32:25,600 They had to stay there, sleep there. 1874 01:32:25,630 --> 01:32:29,020 It stunk and, you know, there were ants crawling around. 1875 01:32:29,050 --> 01:32:31,300 You'd sleep about an hour or two hours a night. 1876 01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:33,640 Um, you were in such a mental state 1877 01:32:33,690 --> 01:32:36,360 That you're very controllable, very suggestible. 1878 01:32:36,390 --> 01:32:38,930 We were told we needed to come up 1879 01:32:38,950 --> 01:32:41,310 With what each other's crimes were 1880 01:32:41,370 --> 01:32:43,150 Against miscavige and hubbard, 1881 01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:45,150 So that we could eventually get out of the hole. 1882 01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:47,570 Scientology is really good 1883 01:32:47,610 --> 01:32:49,960 At making you think that you are a scoundrel. 1884 01:32:49,990 --> 01:32:53,380 "confess your crimes! Confess your crimes! What have you done?" 1885 01:32:53,410 --> 01:32:54,490 Fights would break out. 1886 01:32:54,550 --> 01:32:57,330 Miscavige would get me all riled up. 1887 01:32:57,380 --> 01:32:59,450 And i remember one time, mike had done something, 1888 01:32:59,470 --> 01:33:01,300 Or not done something, i don't remember, 1889 01:33:01,340 --> 01:33:03,250 And i was supposed to go beat him up. 1890 01:33:03,290 --> 01:33:05,500 One executive was made to mop up 1891 01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:07,420 The bathroom floor with his tongue. 1892 01:33:07,460 --> 01:33:10,290 Another was put into a bucket, 1893 01:33:10,310 --> 01:33:13,260 And pummeled by some of the women, and called a lesbian. 1894 01:33:13,300 --> 01:33:16,320 There was a very powerful air conditioner, 1895 01:33:16,350 --> 01:33:17,800 Which blew straight down, 1896 01:33:17,820 --> 01:33:19,900 It was set on maximum cold, 1897 01:33:19,940 --> 01:33:22,070 And a guy was made to sit in a chair, 1898 01:33:22,110 --> 01:33:23,740 And had water poured on his head 1899 01:33:23,780 --> 01:33:27,030 Until he literally turned blue. 1900 01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:29,200 Miscavige slapped me across the face, 1901 01:33:29,250 --> 01:33:30,980 Knocked me on the ground, kicked me a couple times. 1902 01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:33,250 Flailing fists, kneeing him in the stomach, 1903 01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:34,750 Getting him on the floor. 1904 01:33:34,790 --> 01:33:39,320 And you think, you want to get up and retaliate, 1905 01:33:39,340 --> 01:33:42,340 But you also think, "i got 75 other people 1906 01:33:42,380 --> 01:33:46,680 "who are all likely to tackle me if i did"... 1907 01:33:46,710 --> 01:33:50,430 And then you got the sheer shock of it. 1908 01:33:50,470 --> 01:33:52,270 Here's the equivalent of the pope 1909 01:33:52,300 --> 01:33:54,670 Suddenly knocking you on the ground, 1910 01:33:54,690 --> 01:33:56,270 And you're thinking, 1911 01:33:56,310 --> 01:34:00,030 "i must have really screwed up." 1912 01:34:01,980 --> 01:34:03,950 It was a poisonous environment. 1913 01:34:03,980 --> 01:34:06,150 People were really frightened. 1914 01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:08,650 And this went on for years. 1915 01:34:08,690 --> 01:34:10,820 This isn't a couple of days. 1916 01:34:10,870 --> 01:34:13,360 The nominal president of the church, 1917 01:34:13,370 --> 01:34:14,710 This man named heber jentszch, 1918 01:34:14,740 --> 01:34:16,380 He was in there for seven years. 1919 01:34:16,410 --> 01:34:17,960 What is the statement? 1920 01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:19,860 "god helps those who help themselves." 1921 01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:21,410 Well, in scientology, we're engaged 1922 01:34:21,470 --> 01:34:23,130 In helping people help themselves, 1923 01:34:23,170 --> 01:34:27,220 So they can fully comprehend and understand god. 1924 01:34:34,060 --> 01:34:35,900 One night, 1925 01:34:35,930 --> 01:34:38,810 Miscavige comes into the hole with a boom box. 1926 01:34:38,850 --> 01:34:42,320 He said, "i'm gonna teach you all a lesson. 1927 01:34:42,350 --> 01:34:44,850 "we're all gonna play musical chairs." 1928 01:34:44,890 --> 01:34:46,490 And musical chairs is a scientology 1929 01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:48,360 Administrative term for when you move people 1930 01:34:48,390 --> 01:34:51,780 From different posts rapidly, and you create instability. 1931 01:34:51,830 --> 01:34:53,110 They played the damned music. 1932 01:34:58,290 --> 01:34:59,740 He said, "we're gonna play it 1933 01:34:59,750 --> 01:35:01,920 To 'bohemian rhapsody' by queen." 1934 01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:03,510 And he emphasized the line... 1935 01:35:05,540 --> 01:35:07,960 ..."nothing matters anymore." and that's your whole attitude, 1936 01:35:08,010 --> 01:35:09,680 That's where you live, that's who you are. 1937 01:35:09,710 --> 01:35:10,960 Playing that music, and stop it, 1938 01:35:11,020 --> 01:35:12,550 And everyone would have to grab a chair. 1939 01:35:12,580 --> 01:35:14,580 And there's one person left standing. 1940 01:35:22,190 --> 01:35:24,140 What miscavige has warned them 1941 01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:27,400 Is that the last person who remains gets to stay. 1942 01:35:27,430 --> 01:35:28,760 "everybody else, you're expelled. 1943 01:35:28,780 --> 01:35:30,480 "you're going to be thrown out of the sea org." 1944 01:35:30,540 --> 01:35:35,070 These people were fighting to stay in the hole. 1945 01:35:35,110 --> 01:35:38,110 Throwing people around, scratching, kicking. 1946 01:35:38,130 --> 01:35:41,080 They're tearing chairs apart, they're ripping clothing. 1947 01:35:41,110 --> 01:35:42,380 And whatever it took. 1948 01:35:48,340 --> 01:35:51,720 But then nothing happens. 1949 01:35:56,790 --> 01:36:00,060 "out of the goodness of my heart, you can stay. 1950 01:36:00,100 --> 01:36:02,260 "but you better come clean. You better-- 1951 01:36:02,300 --> 01:36:04,480 "i better have some good confessions out of you." 1952 01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:08,150 I-- i mean, you-- you know... 1953 01:36:08,190 --> 01:36:11,360 As much as they get into everything that you ever think or do, 1954 01:36:11,410 --> 01:36:13,910 They never got into my think on this score, 1955 01:36:13,950 --> 01:36:16,330 That i would never go to prison. 1956 01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:19,500 And so it was inevitable, when i got-- when i-- 1957 01:36:19,530 --> 01:36:22,080 He literally created this prison camp. 1958 01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:26,120 Um, it was inevitable that i wasn't gonna last there. 1959 01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:34,380 It's embarrassing to have ever been involved with, 1960 01:36:34,430 --> 01:36:35,970 To think about it. 1961 01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:38,050 "god, i can't even believe i'm talkin' about it." 1962 01:36:38,100 --> 01:36:39,640 But it was bad. 1963 01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:44,710 Let's say the fbi showed up at the hole, 1964 01:36:44,740 --> 01:36:47,110 And said, "this is the fbi. We're lettin' everyone out." 1965 01:36:47,140 --> 01:36:49,780 Do you think everyone would have said, "oh, thank god, the fbi's here"? 1966 01:36:49,810 --> 01:36:52,530 No. I think that everybody, one for one, 1967 01:36:52,570 --> 01:36:54,650 Would have gone, "what do you mean? 1968 01:36:54,690 --> 01:36:56,870 "we-- we're doing this voluntarily. 1969 01:36:56,900 --> 01:36:59,370 "we like living in these conditions." 1970 01:36:59,410 --> 01:37:00,790 Over the past week, 1971 01:37:00,830 --> 01:37:02,570 We've been reporting on allegations of physical abuse 1972 01:37:02,630 --> 01:37:03,990 Inside the church of scientology. 1973 01:37:04,050 --> 01:37:06,130 We spoke with the ex-wives of some of the men 1974 01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:07,580 Making the claims of abuse. 1975 01:37:07,630 --> 01:37:09,300 I read all of your affidavits. 1976 01:37:09,330 --> 01:37:11,330 Obviously, your ex-husbands have made charges 1977 01:37:11,370 --> 01:37:12,800 Against david miscavige, 1978 01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:15,550 Saying that they have seen repeated acts of physical violence 1979 01:37:15,590 --> 01:37:16,840 Perpetrated by mr. Miscavige. 1980 01:37:16,870 --> 01:37:18,970 Is-- is any of that true? 1981 01:37:19,010 --> 01:37:21,510 No. No. Not one ounce of it. 1982 01:37:21,550 --> 01:37:24,180 That's not the character of mr. David miscavige. 1983 01:37:24,210 --> 01:37:27,520 My ex-wife, marty rathbun's ex-wife, 1984 01:37:27,550 --> 01:37:31,240 Tom de vocht's ex-wife, that were on "anderson cooper," 1985 01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:33,570 They all came out of the hole! 1986 01:37:33,610 --> 01:37:36,160 They were all sent there to do that. 1987 01:37:36,190 --> 01:37:38,410 They went back to the hole! 1988 01:37:38,450 --> 01:37:40,200 It's just ridiculous. 1989 01:37:40,230 --> 01:37:42,700 This line that my ex-wife said... 1990 01:37:42,730 --> 01:37:45,750 I lived with mike rinder for over 35 years. 1991 01:37:45,790 --> 01:37:48,040 I know every square inch of mike rinder's body. 1992 01:37:48,070 --> 01:37:50,870 She said it because she was told to say it by miscavige. 1993 01:37:50,910 --> 01:37:54,010 And the proof of that is, when tom de vocht's ex-wife 1994 01:37:54,050 --> 01:37:57,880 Then repeated the same thing over again... 1995 01:37:57,920 --> 01:37:59,930 I know every inch of him. 1996 01:37:59,970 --> 01:38:01,720 You gotta be kidding me! 1997 01:38:01,750 --> 01:38:02,850 Everything that happens 1998 01:38:02,890 --> 01:38:04,720 From the church of scientology is scripted. 1999 01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:06,770 Don't ever turn the other cheek and acquiesce, 2000 01:38:06,810 --> 01:38:08,560 Hit 'em back. 2001 01:38:08,590 --> 01:38:12,780 Marty rathbun suddenly went and leapt on top of mike rinder 2002 01:38:12,810 --> 01:38:14,560 And fought him to the ground 2003 01:38:14,600 --> 01:38:17,120 And started choking him and beating him. 2004 01:38:17,150 --> 01:38:19,120 And nothing seems to have been done about it. 2005 01:38:19,150 --> 01:38:21,040 Mr. Miscavige was not at the property at the time. 2006 01:38:21,070 --> 01:38:22,540 Do you not have telephones? 2007 01:38:22,570 --> 01:38:24,070 Of course we have telephones. 2008 01:38:24,110 --> 01:38:26,410 I think you're being quite rude and quite insulting. 2009 01:38:26,440 --> 01:38:28,610 Here's the bottom line. Here's the bottom line-- 2010 01:38:28,630 --> 01:38:31,160 There is no history of violence in the church. 2011 01:38:31,220 --> 01:38:34,080 As somebody who ran pr for the church for a long time, 2012 01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:37,720 Do you have any regret for anything that you did in that capacity? 2013 01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:40,170 Well, i think the biggest regret 2014 01:38:40,220 --> 01:38:44,640 Is when john sweeney at "panorama" was doing his program, 2015 01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:47,010 It was the culmination of a lot-- 2016 01:38:47,060 --> 01:38:49,430 I mean, i'd been in the hole for a year. 2017 01:38:49,470 --> 01:38:52,520 And i ended up being sent to england. 2018 01:38:52,570 --> 01:38:55,100 Hi, mike. He was constantly going, 2019 01:38:55,140 --> 01:38:58,610 "well, why do you have private investigators following me?" 2020 01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:00,740 I'm like... That never happened! 2021 01:39:00,780 --> 01:39:02,310 Ever, ever happened! 2022 01:39:02,330 --> 01:39:03,860 And of course there were. 2023 01:39:03,910 --> 01:39:05,660 I was following john sweeney. 2024 01:39:05,700 --> 01:39:08,370 Oh, there it is. 2025 01:39:08,420 --> 01:39:11,340 Okay, there we are. 2026 01:39:11,370 --> 01:39:13,040 He's got his camera, 2027 01:39:13,090 --> 01:39:14,840 He's standing there and he's saying, 2028 01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:18,290 "i want a response. I have credible witnesses. 2029 01:39:18,330 --> 01:39:22,600 "did david miscavige physically assault you?" 2030 01:39:22,630 --> 01:39:23,850 And i said... 2031 01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:28,350 Those allegations are absolute, utter rubbish. 2032 01:39:28,440 --> 01:39:31,140 Absolute, utter rubbish. 2033 01:39:31,180 --> 01:39:33,030 You have been assaulted by miscavige? 2034 01:39:33,060 --> 01:39:35,440 Many times, many times. 2035 01:39:35,480 --> 01:39:38,480 Perhaps more than anybody else. 2036 01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:42,700 I was now sort of 2037 01:39:42,740 --> 01:39:45,700 At the end of my rope. 2038 01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:50,490 It was a real moment of clarity for me-- 2039 01:39:50,530 --> 01:39:52,860 "i don't want to be doing this anymore. 2040 01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:54,910 "this is nuts!" 2041 01:39:54,970 --> 01:39:59,640 That was actually the last thing that i did before i left. 2042 01:40:09,710 --> 01:40:13,770 So i'd been in scientology about two and a half years. 2043 01:40:13,820 --> 01:40:16,020 I am kickin' ass. 2044 01:40:16,050 --> 01:40:19,660 I felt like i had gotten out of the fuckin' trap. 2045 01:40:19,690 --> 01:40:22,360 I didn't have to have a problem. 2046 01:40:22,410 --> 01:40:24,690 I said, "i'm done with auditing." 2047 01:40:24,730 --> 01:40:27,660 But they insisted on gettin' me back, 2048 01:40:27,700 --> 01:40:30,420 And said just, "believe us, believe us, believe us." 2049 01:40:30,450 --> 01:40:33,170 I got so fucked up. 2050 01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:36,070 I mean, they-- they-- i went insane. 2051 01:40:36,090 --> 01:40:39,120 I was, like, stuck somewhere 2052 01:40:39,180 --> 01:40:41,930 In a tiny spot behind my eyeballs, 2053 01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:44,800 Looking this way. 2054 01:40:44,850 --> 01:40:48,300 I mean, i-- i'd never experienced anything like it. 2055 01:40:48,350 --> 01:40:51,190 10 fuckin' years! 2056 01:40:52,110 --> 01:40:55,690 I was worse than the day that i walked in. 2057 01:40:55,730 --> 01:40:58,530 It was by design, 'cause they needed to-- 2058 01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:00,530 To keep me in there. 2059 01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:02,230 So basically, they had to 2060 01:41:02,270 --> 01:41:04,900 Put a whole new case on me, so they could run it. 2061 01:41:04,940 --> 01:41:08,450 And they just kept tryin' to fuckin' keep me stuck in. 2062 01:41:08,490 --> 01:41:09,940 It was crazy! 2063 01:41:09,970 --> 01:41:15,080 So i finally said, "i'm going my way. You guys go yours." 2064 01:41:15,110 --> 01:41:18,960 I was pissed. I was sad. I was disillusioned. 2065 01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:22,220 And i thought, "maybe somebody could interview me, 2066 01:41:22,250 --> 01:41:24,950 "ask me some questions about scientology." 2067 01:41:24,970 --> 01:41:29,120 How i got into scientology, and why i got out. 2068 01:41:29,140 --> 01:41:30,930 Post this two-hour thing, 2069 01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:33,760 And it was the #1 thing on youtube for two days 2070 01:41:33,810 --> 01:41:35,800 Before it "mysteriously" disappeared. 2071 01:41:35,820 --> 01:41:37,020 The best traps-- 2072 01:41:37,070 --> 01:41:39,600 You get a guy to just keep himself in jail. 2073 01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:42,770 Right? And that's what scientology does. 2074 01:41:42,810 --> 01:41:45,270 I started getting all this communication 2075 01:41:45,310 --> 01:41:46,910 Because of that video. 2076 01:41:46,940 --> 01:41:49,980 You know, "you saved my family." 2077 01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:51,950 You know, "you've-- i finally had the courage 2078 01:41:51,980 --> 01:41:54,150 "to leave after i watched your thing." 2079 01:41:54,170 --> 01:41:58,790 You know? I mean, like, there's blood and tears. 2080 01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:00,840 And then i started to find out, 2081 01:42:00,870 --> 01:42:03,160 You know, all the stuff that was really happening. 2082 01:42:03,180 --> 01:42:05,290 You know, i lost money, i got fucked, 2083 01:42:05,330 --> 01:42:08,660 But then i found out about the abuse in the sea org. 2084 01:42:08,680 --> 01:42:11,670 And i felt like, "fuck me, i gotta do somethin' about it." 2085 01:42:11,690 --> 01:42:14,440 And i finally tracked down marty rathbun. 2086 01:42:14,470 --> 01:42:16,170 Everybody thought he was dead. 2087 01:42:16,190 --> 01:42:18,640 He was in fuckin' mexico. And i went down there, 2088 01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:20,680 And i basically convinced him to talk. 2089 01:42:20,690 --> 01:42:22,510 And, like, "we gotta do somethin'." 2090 01:42:22,530 --> 01:42:24,150 And then he started his blog. 2091 01:42:28,190 --> 01:42:30,120 There was a beating every day. 2092 01:42:30,150 --> 01:42:31,450 And if it wasn't him doin' it, 2093 01:42:31,490 --> 01:42:35,370 It was from him inciting others to do it to others. 2094 01:42:35,410 --> 01:42:37,210 I think that it's a cult. 2095 01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:39,630 I'm doin' my own thing, i want to get on with my life. 2096 01:42:39,660 --> 01:42:41,500 I am telling the truth. 2097 01:42:41,530 --> 01:42:43,750 Suddenly i heard senior members of the church 2098 01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:45,370 Were speaking out, 2099 01:42:45,390 --> 01:42:49,000 So i started to look, and i started to read. 2100 01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:51,010 And then i started to reach out to people. 2101 01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:54,180 Two of my daughters are gay, and told me 2102 01:42:54,210 --> 01:42:57,560 How they'd been treated within the church. I didn't know. 2103 01:42:57,650 --> 01:43:00,400 Paul haggis's daughters were openly harassed 2104 01:43:00,480 --> 01:43:02,480 By church members for being gay. 2105 01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:04,690 Investigating further, haggis discovered 2106 01:43:04,720 --> 01:43:07,820 That church doctrine viewed homosexuality as a disease 2107 01:43:07,860 --> 01:43:10,490 That only hubbard's teachings could cure. 2108 01:43:10,530 --> 01:43:12,660 And a california chapter of scientology 2109 01:43:12,700 --> 01:43:15,830 Had supported a ban on gay marriage. 2110 01:43:15,870 --> 01:43:18,030 I can't be part of an organization 2111 01:43:18,070 --> 01:43:21,340 That doesn't support 2112 01:43:21,370 --> 01:43:23,590 Human rights for everyone. 2113 01:43:25,930 --> 01:43:29,260 So i sent a letter to 25 friends in the church 2114 01:43:29,300 --> 01:43:31,010 That i was resigning. 2115 01:43:31,050 --> 01:43:33,470 And i'd hoped they'd read this letter 2116 01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:37,890 And be horrified by the things i'd found out. 2117 01:43:41,940 --> 01:43:44,390 A few days later, i drive home. 2118 01:43:44,430 --> 01:43:46,650 There have to be 10 people standing in my front yard. 2119 01:43:46,700 --> 01:43:49,030 I recognize them. They're my friends. 2120 01:43:49,070 --> 01:43:51,930 They said, "paul, we need you to tear up this letter. 2121 01:43:51,950 --> 01:43:54,150 "and we need you to get all the copies and tear them up, 2122 01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:56,120 "and resign quietly." 2123 01:43:56,160 --> 01:43:58,240 I said, "i don't do that." you know? 2124 01:43:58,280 --> 01:43:59,770 "i'm sorry. I don't do that." 2125 01:43:59,790 --> 01:44:02,540 I sent a copy to marty rathbun. 2126 01:44:02,580 --> 01:44:05,160 He put it on his blog, one page on a day, 2127 01:44:05,220 --> 01:44:08,330 And didn't reveal my name until the friday. 2128 01:44:08,390 --> 01:44:10,390 Monday morning, i woke up. 2129 01:44:10,420 --> 01:44:14,460 600 of the top newspapers of the world had it. 2130 01:44:14,480 --> 01:44:16,640 You know, it was in bulgaria. 2131 01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:20,600 i mean, it was reprinted in seven languages. 2132 01:44:20,630 --> 01:44:23,100 I went, "oh my god, what have i done?" 2133 01:44:23,130 --> 01:44:26,570 I mean-- it did garner a lot of interest. 2134 01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:28,190 People will judge you, one way or the other. 2135 01:44:28,240 --> 01:44:31,640 I figured people would judge me as really stupid. 2136 01:44:31,660 --> 01:44:33,980 But then, i was really stupid. 2137 01:44:33,990 --> 01:44:38,650 I was a part of this for 30 years before i spoke out. 2138 01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:42,330 I felt deeply ashamed. 2139 01:44:42,370 --> 01:44:46,290 Why didn't i do it earlier? Why didn't i look earlier? 2140 01:44:49,210 --> 01:44:52,460 People are so indoctrinated, 2141 01:44:52,500 --> 01:44:55,960 And have been in scientology a really long, long time. 2142 01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:58,970 Or they've grown up in it, and they don't know anything else. 2143 01:44:59,000 --> 01:45:03,970 It's so scary to them to have to start all over, 2144 01:45:04,010 --> 01:45:06,510 And it takes a really strong person 2145 01:45:06,530 --> 01:45:08,690 To stand up to them and say no. 2146 01:45:10,360 --> 01:45:12,350 In 2009, 2147 01:45:12,370 --> 01:45:16,030 My son was on staff at the church. 2148 01:45:16,070 --> 01:45:18,790 And "the truth rundown" came out in the "st. Pete times," 2149 01:45:18,820 --> 01:45:21,360 Exposing what was going on 2150 01:45:21,380 --> 01:45:25,380 With the beatings, people in the hole. 2151 01:45:25,410 --> 01:45:26,910 The church was very mad at my son, 2152 01:45:26,960 --> 01:45:28,750 Because he knew it was going to happen, 2153 01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:30,670 And he didn't tell them. 2154 01:45:30,700 --> 01:45:33,300 And he didn't tell them because he had a good friend 2155 01:45:33,340 --> 01:45:35,640 That became friends with mike rinder 2156 01:45:35,670 --> 01:45:37,560 And marty rathbun, 2157 01:45:37,590 --> 01:45:40,930 And he believed what they were saying in "the truth rundown." 2158 01:45:43,230 --> 01:45:45,350 The church was threatening, 2159 01:45:45,380 --> 01:45:48,180 That he was gonna get declared a suppressive person 2160 01:45:48,220 --> 01:45:51,600 If he didn't disconnect from his friend. 2161 01:45:51,660 --> 01:45:54,190 My son, he was raised a scientologist, 2162 01:45:54,220 --> 01:45:56,580 You know, and he'd been on staff. 2163 01:45:56,610 --> 01:45:58,440 He made 30 bucks a week. 2164 01:45:58,500 --> 01:46:00,280 He headed up their boy scout troop. 2165 01:46:00,330 --> 01:46:04,030 He was like this consummate youth of scientology. 2166 01:46:04,070 --> 01:46:08,120 The continental justice chief called him on the phone. 2167 01:46:08,170 --> 01:46:10,570 And it was after that the declare came down, 2168 01:46:10,590 --> 01:46:13,260 And he was just devastated. 2169 01:46:13,290 --> 01:46:17,180 The church told his friends everything they could find 2170 01:46:17,210 --> 01:46:21,300 In his pc folder to ruin his reputation. 2171 01:46:21,350 --> 01:46:24,050 I wrote this petition. 2172 01:46:24,090 --> 01:46:28,860 I tried to put in everything good that my son had done. 2173 01:46:28,890 --> 01:46:30,440 "dear sarah, thank you for the letter 2174 01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:33,560 "that you sent regarding the situation with nick lister. 2175 01:46:33,600 --> 01:46:38,600 "i cannot approve that you continue your connection with nick." 2176 01:46:38,620 --> 01:46:41,570 No one's gonna tell me when i can and can't speak to him. 2177 01:46:41,610 --> 01:46:44,710 No one, but me. 2178 01:46:44,740 --> 01:46:47,880 "your committee of evidence findings and recommendations 2179 01:46:47,910 --> 01:46:50,710 "recommended you be labeled suppressive, 2180 01:46:50,750 --> 01:46:53,500 "engaging in malicious rumor mongering 2181 01:46:53,550 --> 01:46:57,140 "to destroy the authority or repute of higher officers 2182 01:46:57,170 --> 01:47:00,470 "or the leading names of scientology." 2183 01:47:00,510 --> 01:47:02,640 My husband was charged with that one, 2184 01:47:02,680 --> 01:47:04,260 Because he was telling me 2185 01:47:04,290 --> 01:47:07,300 What he read on the internet about david miscavige. 2186 01:47:07,310 --> 01:47:09,680 They say, "don't go on the internet, don't read. 2187 01:47:09,730 --> 01:47:11,100 "don't go to these sites." 2188 01:47:11,130 --> 01:47:14,640 From the time that i got in, 2189 01:47:14,660 --> 01:47:18,360 For 30 years, i never read one critical thing about scientology. 2190 01:47:18,410 --> 01:47:21,080 When i finally decided to open my eyes and look, 2191 01:47:21,110 --> 01:47:23,360 I was shocked, just shocked. 2192 01:47:23,410 --> 01:47:25,480 But if you're a member of the church of scientology, 2193 01:47:25,500 --> 01:47:29,330 And someone in your family, or a friend, or your spouse, 2194 01:47:29,370 --> 01:47:32,920 Is skeptical or critical of the church of scientology, 2195 01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:36,040 You are supposed to disconnect yourself from that person... 2196 01:47:36,090 --> 01:47:39,680 Tommy davis, who was the spokesperson for the church, 2197 01:47:39,710 --> 01:47:43,720 He's being asked about the policy of disconnection. 2198 01:47:43,770 --> 01:47:46,380 Anything that's characterized as disconnection 2199 01:47:46,440 --> 01:47:48,550 Or this kinda thing, it's just-- it's just not true. 2200 01:47:48,610 --> 01:47:51,140 There isn't... I confronted him about this. 2201 01:47:51,170 --> 01:47:54,190 And i said, "tommy, i don't need to search outside to ask for-- 2202 01:47:54,230 --> 01:47:56,530 "to check research and see if other-- 2203 01:47:56,560 --> 01:47:58,730 "this has happened to other people. This happened to my wife. 2204 01:47:58,780 --> 01:48:01,650 "you asked her and me to disconnect from her parents 2205 01:48:01,690 --> 01:48:04,120 "because of something trivial they did years ago." 2206 01:48:04,150 --> 01:48:06,120 My wife disconnected from me, 2207 01:48:06,160 --> 01:48:09,210 My daughter, my son, my brother, 2208 01:48:09,240 --> 01:48:11,210 My sister, my mother, 2209 01:48:11,240 --> 01:48:13,040 All of my nieces and nephews. 2210 01:48:13,080 --> 01:48:15,550 And that is the only family that i have. 2211 01:48:15,580 --> 01:48:17,720 You know, you label these people suppressive 2212 01:48:17,750 --> 01:48:19,830 So that, you know, everybody automatically-- 2213 01:48:19,870 --> 01:48:22,170 They're discredited, and they must disconnect from them. 2214 01:48:22,210 --> 01:48:24,640 And that's how you keep people in a bubble. 2215 01:48:24,680 --> 01:48:27,140 And that's what they do. I mean, my son was declared 2216 01:48:27,180 --> 01:48:28,590 Because he wouldn't disconnect from his friend. 2217 01:48:28,650 --> 01:48:30,650 I was declared, and my husband was declared 2218 01:48:30,680 --> 01:48:32,600 Because we wouldn't disconnect from my son. 2219 01:48:32,650 --> 01:48:34,350 And now guess what happened? 2220 01:48:34,380 --> 01:48:38,190 Everyone connected to us just scatters to the wind. 2221 01:48:38,220 --> 01:48:40,360 Through all of this time, 2222 01:48:40,390 --> 01:48:43,660 I have a daughter who's very much into the church. 2223 01:48:43,690 --> 01:48:46,730 I have a granddaughter 2224 01:48:46,760 --> 01:48:50,200 Who's the love of my life, and who loves her nana. 2225 01:48:50,230 --> 01:48:53,070 I was planning on talking to my daughter, 2226 01:48:53,100 --> 01:48:56,170 And trying to tell her what was really happening. 2227 01:48:56,210 --> 01:48:59,720 She hugged me, she told me she loved me. 2228 01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:02,810 She said, "i have to disconnect from you." 2229 01:49:08,190 --> 01:49:11,320 So, um... 2230 01:49:17,160 --> 01:49:20,860 I just was concentrating on smelling her hair 2231 01:49:20,900 --> 01:49:23,670 And seeing the way she felt, 2232 01:49:23,700 --> 01:49:26,330 Touching her skin on my face. 2233 01:49:29,120 --> 01:49:32,010 That's the last time i saw them. 2234 01:49:36,680 --> 01:49:38,680 It really is the crux 2235 01:49:38,720 --> 01:49:42,800 Of how controlling is any religion 2236 01:49:42,850 --> 01:49:45,140 Over its adherents, 2237 01:49:45,190 --> 01:49:48,060 And scientology has perfected 2238 01:49:48,090 --> 01:49:51,440 A lot of techniques of control. 2239 01:49:51,480 --> 01:49:55,100 There is no logical explanation 2240 01:49:55,120 --> 01:49:58,730 As to why, other than faith. 2241 01:49:58,790 --> 01:50:01,100 Your future, your eternity, 2242 01:50:01,120 --> 01:50:04,290 All depends on you going up the bridge. 2243 01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:08,330 It's scary. It's kinda like christianity with hell. 2244 01:50:08,380 --> 01:50:10,330 If they don't have the bridge, they can't go free. 2245 01:50:10,380 --> 01:50:14,280 They don't believe they can get it anywhere else. 2246 01:50:14,300 --> 01:50:16,330 It's like brainwashing. Really simple. 2247 01:50:16,390 --> 01:50:18,640 I mean, that's a scary word, 2248 01:50:18,670 --> 01:50:21,560 And it took me a long time 2249 01:50:21,590 --> 01:50:24,640 To come to that conclusion, that that's what's occurred. 2250 01:50:24,680 --> 01:50:27,150 You take on 2251 01:50:27,180 --> 01:50:30,630 A kind of a-- a matrix of thought 2252 01:50:30,650 --> 01:50:35,150 That is not your own. 2253 01:50:35,190 --> 01:50:38,140 I think that's how i and other people got involved 2254 01:50:38,160 --> 01:50:40,190 And stuck through it for so long. 2255 01:50:40,240 --> 01:50:42,280 Because when you're out, you look at it, 2256 01:50:42,310 --> 01:50:45,860 And you go, "what the crap was i thinking," you know? 2257 01:50:45,920 --> 01:50:47,670 It's such a hard thing when you do wake up. 2258 01:50:47,700 --> 01:50:49,580 You go, "oh my god." 2259 01:50:49,620 --> 01:50:52,090 Because you have this wave of regrets. 2260 01:50:52,120 --> 01:50:56,210 I just started to think that maybe my entire life 2261 01:50:56,260 --> 01:50:58,130 Has been a lie. 2262 01:50:58,160 --> 01:51:00,630 You just don't see it happening to you. 2263 01:51:00,660 --> 01:51:03,630 You justify so much. 2264 01:51:03,670 --> 01:51:07,500 Cults, they prey on people, suggesting that, you know, 2265 01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:09,440 You should be able to think for yourself 2266 01:51:09,470 --> 01:51:13,220 And then tell you exactly how you have to think, or get out. 2267 01:51:13,280 --> 01:51:16,900 And if you get out, there will be consequences. 2268 01:51:16,950 --> 01:51:18,650 Come on, marty. Got anything to say? 2269 01:51:18,680 --> 01:51:20,570 What's your name? Why don't you answer his question? 2270 01:51:20,620 --> 01:51:24,320 Beat it. I said get off my property, boy. 2271 01:51:24,350 --> 01:51:27,240 The real sustained campaign 2272 01:51:27,290 --> 01:51:29,520 Began in early 2009 2273 01:51:29,540 --> 01:51:33,240 When i spoke to the "st. Petersburg times." 2274 01:51:33,300 --> 01:51:36,460 And i'd been hounded and hunted like wild prey. 2275 01:51:36,500 --> 01:51:40,300 It's a policy of the office of special affairs 2276 01:51:40,340 --> 01:51:42,220 Authored by l. Ron hubbard. 2277 01:51:42,260 --> 01:51:44,260 When somebody's speaking out against scientology, 2278 01:51:44,310 --> 01:51:46,870 Investigate to find out who the instigator is. 2279 01:51:46,890 --> 01:51:48,590 I started getting calls from the church, 2280 01:51:48,650 --> 01:51:53,150 And they're-- they're really, uh, comin' after me. 2281 01:51:53,180 --> 01:51:55,150 They showed up at my mother's house. 2282 01:51:55,190 --> 01:51:57,070 The feeling in the pit of your stomach 2283 01:51:57,100 --> 01:51:59,220 Knowing that scientology's chief dirty-tricks pi 2284 01:51:59,240 --> 01:52:01,560 Was just on my mother's front step. 2285 01:52:01,580 --> 01:52:04,330 They've tried to destroy me, there's no question. 2286 01:52:04,360 --> 01:52:06,610 They create anonymous websites about me, 2287 01:52:06,660 --> 01:52:09,160 And smear me with a lot of garbage. 2288 01:52:09,200 --> 01:52:11,580 Www.Whoistomdevocht.Com. 2289 01:52:11,620 --> 01:52:13,400 Whoispaulhaggis.Com. 2290 01:52:13,420 --> 01:52:15,790 "paul haggis, the hypocrite of hollywood." 2291 01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:19,510 "this guy is a sex pervert," or "this guy's a drug dealer." 2292 01:52:19,540 --> 01:52:21,260 In the meantime, 2293 01:52:21,290 --> 01:52:25,300 Survey carefully to find out what he most values and protects. 2294 01:52:25,350 --> 01:52:27,520 Immediately draw up a three-prong program 2295 01:52:27,550 --> 01:52:30,250 To threaten it effectively. 2296 01:52:30,270 --> 01:52:34,610 I don't value anything more than monique. 2297 01:52:34,640 --> 01:52:38,610 That's why this campaign ended up on our doorstep. 2298 01:52:38,650 --> 01:52:40,450 Was she there? 2299 01:52:40,480 --> 01:52:44,450 I knew they had their goons around. 2300 01:52:44,480 --> 01:52:49,540 And then the guy rolls down in window and i saw the truck. 2301 01:52:49,570 --> 01:52:51,910 And he starts filming, and i go, 2302 01:52:51,940 --> 01:52:54,110 "okay, this is not good." 2303 01:52:54,130 --> 01:52:55,610 What's goin' on? 2304 01:52:55,630 --> 01:52:57,500 Oh, we're just doing a documentary. 2305 01:52:57,550 --> 01:52:58,750 A documentary? 2306 01:52:58,780 --> 01:53:01,000 Oh, a former scientology deal. 2307 01:53:01,050 --> 01:53:03,170 But it would probably be a good idea if y'all went ahead-- 2308 01:53:03,220 --> 01:53:04,720 Now that you've gotten what you need, 2309 01:53:04,750 --> 01:53:06,300 Go ahead and leave the area. Sure. 2310 01:53:06,340 --> 01:53:08,060 Okay? 2311 01:53:08,090 --> 01:53:09,290 I don't know who these people are. 2312 01:53:09,310 --> 01:53:11,290 I don't know what they're capable of. 2313 01:53:11,310 --> 01:53:14,630 And now that i have my son... 2314 01:53:14,650 --> 01:53:18,850 I have a little louisville slugger i keep next to me. 2315 01:53:18,900 --> 01:53:23,270 It's been a nonstop onslaught, for five years. 2316 01:53:23,320 --> 01:53:24,770 I told you to leave. Get out of here. 2317 01:53:24,810 --> 01:53:26,320 Oh no, i'm leaving. 2318 01:53:26,360 --> 01:53:27,780 You can't even defend yourself on this can you? 2319 01:53:27,810 --> 01:53:29,310 What's your name? 2320 01:53:29,330 --> 01:53:30,780 I gave you my name, marty. What's your name? 2321 01:53:30,830 --> 01:53:32,500 Marty, i gave you my name. 2322 01:53:32,530 --> 01:53:35,620 The people on marty's doorstep were sent by scientology 2323 01:53:35,650 --> 01:53:38,150 Because the church had branded marty a "squirrel," 2324 01:53:38,170 --> 01:53:40,670 A term invented by hubbard for former members 2325 01:53:40,710 --> 01:53:42,490 Who threatened church teachings. 2326 01:53:42,510 --> 01:53:44,160 David miscavige had you come all the way from... 2327 01:53:44,180 --> 01:53:45,460 Marty. ...San jose. 2328 01:53:46,800 --> 01:53:48,300 Marty! Man #2: You can't do that. 2329 01:53:48,330 --> 01:53:49,710 You can't do that, marty! I just did it. 2330 01:53:49,770 --> 01:53:50,830 No, that's my personal property, marty. 2331 01:53:50,850 --> 01:53:52,680 Yeah, that's right. 2332 01:53:52,720 --> 01:53:54,520 I got arrested, man. 2333 01:53:54,550 --> 01:53:57,360 I got arrested for grabbing this guy's glasses. 2334 01:53:57,390 --> 01:53:59,170 I said, "don't look at her." you understand that? 2335 01:53:59,190 --> 01:54:01,230 Yeah. I heard her. 2336 01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:03,730 Of course, the guy had been stalking monique for two years. 2337 01:54:03,780 --> 01:54:05,980 He looks like a leering pervert, 2338 01:54:06,020 --> 01:54:08,650 Like norman bates from "psycho." 2339 01:54:08,690 --> 01:54:11,450 I didn't break his glasses. 2340 01:54:11,490 --> 01:54:15,290 I just removed them from his-- from his face. 2341 01:54:19,380 --> 01:54:23,130 They got it all on videotape from their surveillance house 2342 01:54:23,170 --> 01:54:26,050 That was filming 24/7, 365, 2343 01:54:26,090 --> 01:54:28,840 For five years, across the street from us. 2344 01:54:34,240 --> 01:54:36,440 This lawsuit with monique rathbun-- 2345 01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:38,810 It's a brilliant legal strategy. 2346 01:54:38,850 --> 01:54:40,880 If marty sues, the church just says, 2347 01:54:40,900 --> 01:54:42,270 "this is a first amendment fight. 2348 01:54:42,320 --> 01:54:43,740 "this should not be in a court of law." 2349 01:54:43,770 --> 01:54:45,320 But monique was never in scientology. 2350 01:54:45,360 --> 01:54:50,110 She's suing david miscavige and asking to depose him. 2351 01:54:50,160 --> 01:54:53,330 And scientology will do anything to keep him out of that situation. 2352 01:54:53,360 --> 01:54:55,080 And the point is, judge, 2353 01:54:55,120 --> 01:54:57,280 If you let me make my presentation, 2354 01:54:57,330 --> 01:54:59,170 On first amendment law 2355 01:54:59,200 --> 01:55:01,740 That comes from the united states supreme court... 2356 01:55:01,760 --> 01:55:03,540 For every court date, 2357 01:55:03,570 --> 01:55:06,370 The church hires a bevy of high-priced lawyers. 2358 01:55:06,410 --> 01:55:09,380 They are determined to use every legal trick in the book 2359 01:55:09,410 --> 01:55:11,630 To keep miscavige from having to testify 2360 01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:15,300 About church abuses or whether the religion of scientology 2361 01:55:15,350 --> 01:55:17,550 Is actually operated like a business, 2362 01:55:17,590 --> 01:55:21,470 Controlled by the whims of a single individual. 2363 01:55:23,390 --> 01:55:26,280 In 2014, miscavige celebrated 2364 01:55:26,310 --> 01:55:28,450 The ongoing expansion of the church, 2365 01:55:28,480 --> 01:55:30,700 But he was hiding a terrible secret. 2366 01:55:30,730 --> 01:55:32,270 Good evening! 2367 01:55:32,290 --> 01:55:34,320 The church's active membership has dropped 2368 01:55:34,370 --> 01:55:36,070 To fewer than 50,000 people, 2369 01:55:36,110 --> 01:55:40,270 Yet the financial value of scientology is soaring. 2370 01:55:40,290 --> 01:55:42,130 How about we just say, 2371 01:55:42,160 --> 01:55:47,170 2013 is the year we went stratospheric? 2372 01:55:50,120 --> 01:55:52,170 The church is making investments 2373 01:55:52,220 --> 01:55:54,170 And buying valuable real estate all over the world. 2374 01:55:54,220 --> 01:55:58,140 That financial clout gives scientology enormous power. 2375 01:55:58,180 --> 01:56:00,460 It's a kind of tax-free shell company 2376 01:56:00,480 --> 01:56:05,350 Growing past $3 billion in assets. 2377 01:56:12,480 --> 01:56:15,810 The church now no longer has a public face. 2378 01:56:15,830 --> 01:56:18,110 There's no spokespeople, 2379 01:56:18,150 --> 01:56:20,280 They don't do media interviews, 2380 01:56:20,320 --> 01:56:23,030 And that suits miscavige. 2381 01:56:23,090 --> 01:56:25,290 There is nobody that he is willing 2382 01:56:25,320 --> 01:56:28,160 To have be the face of scientology other than himself, 2383 01:56:28,170 --> 01:56:31,680 But he's afraid to be interviewed by anybody 2384 01:56:31,710 --> 01:56:34,380 For fear that they're gonna ask him questions 2385 01:56:34,430 --> 01:56:36,800 That he can't answer, or doesn't want to answer. 2386 01:56:38,670 --> 01:56:41,220 Where are the checks and balances on his power? 2387 01:56:41,270 --> 01:56:42,550 There is none. 2388 01:56:42,610 --> 01:56:44,340 So there are two things that could happen. 2389 01:56:44,360 --> 01:56:48,390 One is, the irs would reconsider its tax exemption. 2390 01:56:48,450 --> 01:56:52,730 The only other thing is that some of these celebrity megaphones 2391 01:56:52,780 --> 01:56:54,980 Could turn against the church. 2392 01:56:55,020 --> 01:56:58,320 And tom cruise should be leading that chorus. 2393 01:57:02,290 --> 01:57:05,290 Is there anything that you look back on, 2394 01:57:05,330 --> 01:57:07,700 In terms of your own career in the church, 2395 01:57:07,710 --> 01:57:10,530 And think, "wow, i wish i hadn't done that?" 2396 01:57:10,550 --> 01:57:13,720 You know, we talked about karma earlier. 2397 01:57:13,750 --> 01:57:18,340 And, you know, it still happens that it's like it's just this-- 2398 01:57:18,370 --> 01:57:22,380 I constantly get presented with who i was, 2399 01:57:22,400 --> 01:57:25,100 And, you know, and i constantly don't like what i see, 2400 01:57:25,150 --> 01:57:27,680 And i sort of constantly keep dying deaths. 2401 01:57:27,720 --> 01:57:29,600 Um, and-- 2402 01:57:31,550 --> 01:57:33,720 I don't know how many more deaths i have left, 2403 01:57:33,740 --> 01:57:36,560 But i-- but i-- 2404 01:57:36,580 --> 01:57:39,490 But i regret 2405 01:57:39,530 --> 01:57:42,910 And i'm ashamed of, uh... 2406 01:57:44,330 --> 01:57:47,200 The entire experience, you know? 2407 01:57:47,240 --> 01:57:49,420 What i take away from it is that we-- 2408 01:57:49,460 --> 01:57:52,370 We lock up a portion of our own mind. 2409 01:57:52,410 --> 01:57:56,680 We-- we willingly put cuffs on. 2410 01:57:56,710 --> 01:58:00,260 We willingly avoid things 2411 01:58:00,300 --> 01:58:03,270 That will-- could cause us pain, 2412 01:58:03,300 --> 01:58:06,050 If we just-- if we looked. 2413 01:58:06,110 --> 01:58:08,470 If we can just believe something, 2414 01:58:08,530 --> 01:58:11,110 Then we don't have to really think for ourselves, do we? 2415 01:58:11,140 --> 01:58:14,600 And so i can't damn these people who aren't coming out, 2416 01:58:14,610 --> 01:58:18,780 Or who are hiding once they come out because they're ashamed. 2417 01:58:18,820 --> 01:58:20,790 You know, i-- 2418 01:58:20,820 --> 01:58:23,740 I-- i feel the same shame. 2419 01:58:23,770 --> 01:58:27,160 And i just-- i'm fighting back 2420 01:58:27,210 --> 01:58:31,580 By communicating, you know? It's a peaceful protest. 2421 01:58:31,610 --> 01:58:35,500 I want the truth to be known, 2422 01:58:35,550 --> 01:58:37,500 And... 2423 01:58:39,340 --> 01:58:40,760 Thank you. 2424 01:58:40,790 --> 01:58:42,490 You're welcome. 2425 01:58:43,305 --> 01:58:49,860 Please rate this subtitle at www.osdb.link/9sxnf Help other users to choose the best subtitles 201336

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