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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,640 This programme contains strong language. 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:06,680 Some say you were his Lady Macbeth. 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,160 If anyone thinks Tony's my puppet, 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,040 they just don't understand the nature of the man. 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:17,400 Right. 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:19,240 He could always... As we say at home, 7 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,320 he could always talk an owl out of a tree. 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,160 When you think of Tony Blair, what words spring to mind? 9 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,240 I think he's a man in denial, actually. 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:39,880 Tony Blair, a Prime Minister who never lost a general election. 11 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,560 He is, without doubt, 12 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,800 both one of the most successful 13 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:49,440 and one of the most controversial leaders Britain has ever had. 14 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,800 One way of looking at him is of thinking of him as an explorer. 15 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,600 His whole story, the life story of Tony Blair, 16 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,840 is one of exploration of the world to see how far he can get. 17 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:17,680 If you're giving an interview, 18 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:19,320 you've got to be pretty disciplined about it. 19 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,960 I've been pretty frank with you, actually, most of the time. 20 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,960 Oh! I think you should be relatively pleased. 21 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,080 Not all the time. 22 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,840 Well, as much as you... 23 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:29,280 As much as you deserve. 24 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:30,920 HE CHUCKLES 25 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,280 Is it a real bore to have to answer questions? 26 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,040 No, it's not, but as I said to you when you 27 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,400 started doing this programme, I don't even know why anyone 28 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,080 would be interested in doing a programme on me, 29 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,160 but since you are, that's fine, and, you know, let's see. 30 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,080 These are Tony Blair's parents, 31 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:56,960 Hazel and Leo Blair. 32 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,840 Leo's story is remarkable. 33 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,920 He was born the son of travelling performers 34 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,680 and put into the foster care of a Mr and Mrs Blair 35 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:13,520 in a poor part of Glasgow. 36 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:20,840 Tony's father joined the Army and then the Conservative Party. 37 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,720 He had dreams of becoming Prime Minister. 38 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,840 My dad was a remarkable man. 39 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,040 He was chairman of the local Conservative Party. 40 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,080 He was a very successful barrister, great speaker. 41 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:39,920 By the way, I think he could have been a Prime Minister, but anyway... 42 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,480 Tony's father sends his son to this boarding school... 43 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:51,960 ..at the age of 13. 44 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,400 We were inside those railings, 45 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,600 and you were pretty well cut-off. 46 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,720 At Fettes, there was fagging, there was beating, 47 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:14,200 there was the church. 48 00:04:18,840 --> 00:04:22,240 There was still that feeling you were being prepared 49 00:04:22,280 --> 00:04:24,520 to run an empire, to be sent off to Burma 50 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,360 or to India or somewhere to run a tea plantation. 51 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,160 Tony was very self-confident. 52 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:36,800 He was very clever, too, 53 00:04:36,840 --> 00:04:38,480 and I think he knew he was clever. 54 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,080 Tony arrived at Fettes on the back of a family tragedy. 55 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,840 His father had a massive stroke, 56 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,880 from which he never fully recovered, 57 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,960 and any dreams his father had of being Prime Minister were over. 58 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:59,840 I want to take you back to July 1964. 59 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:03,840 You will remember that that's when your dad had a stroke. 60 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,080 Tell me what happened. 61 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,560 I guess I was ten, 11 years old. 62 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,400 How did it impact you, do you think? 63 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,160 I don't spend a lot of time psychoanalysing myself, 64 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,320 but I think when I look back on it, 65 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,640 it must have had an impact on my thinking about the world and life. 66 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,120 You know, it was such a traumatic event. 67 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,480 I remember the event of that night and that day and the next day 68 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,840 and the days that followed so vividly that... 69 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,040 Of course, it makes an impact on your life, 70 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,720 and I guess it teaches you that life is fragile. 71 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:46,320 Tony's father's speech never fully recovered, 72 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,320 but at school, Tony kept this to himself. 73 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:53,400 You never had any sense of 74 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,680 how his father's stroke might have affected him? 75 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:58,920 No, not really. No, no. 76 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,480 We never really discussed it. It's sort of... It's bizarre, yeah. 77 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:08,720 What do you think Fettes taught Tony Blair about himself? 78 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,880 The school teaches you to survive. 79 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,760 It knocks a lot of the emotion out of you. 80 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:16,960 You become very insular. 81 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,120 And he was strong, 82 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,520 and didn't really show much in the way of emotion - 83 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:22,920 or I never saw it. 84 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,560 It was a bad thing to show emotion when you were at these schools. 85 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,320 After Fettes, Blair goes up to Oxford. 86 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,000 He studies law and sings in a rock band. 87 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,360 Also in Oxford is his childhood friend Anji Hunter, 88 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:58,360 who would go on to become one of his closest political advisers. 89 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,360 Tony arrived, fresh-faced, fun. 90 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,400 He was good-looking, 91 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,480 he was fun to be with, 92 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:11,800 articulate. 93 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,400 And he looked like every other guy that came to Oxford in 1972, 94 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,160 which basically was long hair, and he had a big fur coat. 95 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,600 We just became great friends. 96 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,360 I want to touch on something else 97 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,320 that happened while you were at university, 98 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:36,680 which is a good friend of yours took his own life, Euan. 99 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,240 Yes, erm... 100 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:41,960 So, Euan... Euan... 101 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:49,000 ..had been my dearest friend at school. 102 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,760 There was a group of us, and he was a great guy. 103 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,520 He was a wonderful, wonderful young man, and... 104 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:03,000 ..unfortunately he got into drugs, I think. 105 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,320 And he became sort of mentally unstable 106 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,960 and then took his own life and it had a big impact on me, 107 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,040 because he... First of all, because obviously 108 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,920 he was a very, very dear friend and secondly, because I... 109 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:18,920 You know, I... I just... 110 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,160 I felt what a waste it was because he had such talent. 111 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:30,200 He was such a clever young man with such a strong personality. 112 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,880 He would have done great things 113 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,480 and when my first son was born, 114 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,680 I named him after him. 115 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,000 Euan's suicide had a big impact on Tony, 116 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:51,040 and he came back, it was at the end of the summer term, 117 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,360 I remember he came back the following term 118 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:57,960 with his hair cut and he wasn't wearing the fur coat. 119 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,080 He straightened up a lot after that. 120 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,200 Tony makes his way at Oxford, 121 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,240 doing well enough to plan for a career as a lawyer. 122 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,200 In those days, of course, you made a telephone call 123 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,400 from a telephone box, putting the coins in the box, 124 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,760 and therefore, you weren't every day in contact 125 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,240 with your family as you are today. 126 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,960 My mother had been ill. I knew she had cancer, 127 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,720 and the family didn't want to tell me 128 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,480 because I was doing my final exams at Oxford. 129 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,160 They didn't want to tell me how serious it was. 130 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,320 But I remember when I got off the train 131 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,040 and my dad picked me up at the station, 132 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,000 he said to me, "Look, you know, you should 133 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:51,640 "just prepare yourself for this." 134 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,200 And I said, "But you're not seriously telling me 135 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:56,640 "she's going to die?" 136 00:09:56,680 --> 00:09:59,240 And he said, "Well, no, I am telling you that. She is. 137 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,440 "She's in hospital and she's going to die soon." 138 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,040 So that was, you know... Yeah, of course. 139 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:09,520 The thing that experience teaches you, 140 00:10:09,560 --> 00:10:10,920 when you have an experience like this, 141 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,800 and your parent dies when you're very young, 142 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:15,000 is you just realise, well, 143 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,000 if you've got something to do with your life, 144 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,440 you better get on and do it - because who knows what happens? 145 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:30,800 # Hey, everybody, take a look at me 146 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,680 # I've got street credibility 147 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,880 # I may not have a job but I have a good time 148 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:36,800 # With the boys that I meet down on the line 149 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:38,880 # I said, D-H-S-S 150 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,200 # Man, the rhythm that they're givin' is the very best 151 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,800 # I said, B one, B two 152 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:48,720 # Make the claims, on your name, all you have to do... # 153 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:50,480 It's 1982. 154 00:10:52,680 --> 00:10:54,440 Mrs Thatcher is in power... 155 00:10:58,680 --> 00:11:00,960 ..and the Falklands War is raging. 156 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,760 The Conservatives have captured the mood of the '80s. 157 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:14,200 Meanwhile, the Labour Party is in the doldrums... 158 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,400 We've had a very long day. 159 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,400 INDISTINCT CHATTER 160 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,400 OK, you get annoyed if you like, 161 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,120 but I need a credential to get to the conference. 162 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:28,880 ..and this is their leader. 163 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,400 How have you found your day here 164 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:34,680 at the Beaconsfield by-election? 165 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,200 Well, I think it's been a pretty good day. 166 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,200 First of all, we've got a wonderful candidate. 167 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,240 Everybody agrees that Tony Blair 168 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,560 is one of the very best possible candidates there could be. 169 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:48,040 Rather a large majority, isn't it, against you, unfortunately? Well... 170 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,200 After leaving Oxford, Blair became a barrister. 171 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,000 But now he has political ambitions... 172 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:01,080 ..running to be a Labour MP in a seat he can't win. 173 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:02,680 Oh, that's good. 174 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,600 Got a nice smile, ain't he? 175 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,320 Anthony Charles Lynton - 176 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,000 3,886. 177 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:13,320 BOOING 178 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,120 He's lost his deposit. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 179 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,280 As expected, Blair loses. 180 00:12:28,560 --> 00:12:30,280 When I first met Tony, 181 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,800 we were co-pupils and rivals. 182 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:38,000 We then became friends, and we were vaguely flirting with each other. 183 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,520 It was about 18 months after his mother had died, 184 00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:44,960 and I think he was still very much 185 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,800 coming to terms with that. 186 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,880 The first thing we really sort of talked about was religion. 187 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,480 Both of us, in different ways, had religious faith. 188 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,080 Was he romantic in his courtship? 189 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,200 Er... No, not very. Tony's not very romantic. 190 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,200 No. Really? Yes. 191 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,040 He's never bought me flowers, for example. 192 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:09,920 And now he says, "Well, if I bought you flowers, 193 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,400 "you'd be very suspicious," which is probably true. 194 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,400 SHE LAUGHS So... 195 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,080 Tony is desperate to become a Labour MP, 196 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,000 but first, he has to be chosen as a candidate 197 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,320 by a constituency Labour Party. 198 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,360 He travels up and down the country, 199 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,400 telling them all what they don't want to hear, 200 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,640 that the Labour Party needs radical reform. 201 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,160 He tries ten constituencies. 202 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,800 All say no, and Tony is on the brink of giving up. 203 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,760 I've always been interested in politics. 204 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,480 I was interested in politics when I was 14, 205 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,520 and in class, I'd announced that I was going to be 206 00:13:53,560 --> 00:13:55,280 the first female Prime Minister. 207 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,720 Cherie does get selected to fight a seat for Labour. 208 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:02,200 So how did he cope with that? 209 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,360 Er, badly. SHE LAUGHS 210 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,320 He felt that he had missed his chance. 211 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,720 I was going to go and fight a hopeless seat, 212 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,200 but at least I was fighting a seat. 213 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,760 There was one seat left in the country. 214 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,440 With just four weeks to go before the general election, 215 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,600 Sedgefield in County Durham 216 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,600 is the only seat not yet to have selected its Labour candidate. 217 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,840 I remember sitting in my house in Hackney 218 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,160 and Cherie saying to me, 219 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,880 "I mean, you might as well go. I mean, why not? 220 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:47,440 "There's nothing you can lose." 221 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:03,800 The members of the Sedgefield Labour Party will have to be convinced. 222 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:19,920 I was very nervous. 223 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,560 But by then, you know, 224 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,600 I'd got quite used to the process of rejection. 225 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,400 I'd been in many constituencies, tried many different things. 226 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,520 You know, usually I'd get a long way, 227 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,320 and the moment I showed my colours, I would be out. 228 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,320 John had said, "Oh, there's a guy from London coming up. 229 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,280 "He wants to be our next MP." 230 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,080 "Yeah, champion, but we're watching the football." 231 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,960 COMMENTATOR ON TV: Of course, there's a long, long way to go yet, 232 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,240 but it is a night where there will be a positive result 233 00:15:58,280 --> 00:15:59,760 because at the end of 90 minutes, 234 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:01,080 if it's level, we have extra time. 235 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:04,680 Well, of course, the trouble was 236 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,120 this match went on forever. 237 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,880 Extra time was played - it was a draw - 238 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,160 by which time, we were quite happy and merry, you know? 239 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:18,120 So, after that, we said, 240 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:19,680 "Right, we're going to ask you some questions." 241 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,280 We gave him the best grilling that we could. 242 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,840 He spoke with an awfully posh voice. 243 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:31,000 I mean, we'd always had a miner's union MP 244 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,000 and here we had this public-school boy 245 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,760 who went to Oxford and was a barrister. 246 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:41,240 But we knew that night. 247 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,120 I said to them, the lads, I said, 248 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:47,560 "You know, you can never say somebody will be Prime Minister, 249 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,280 "but you can say somebody is Cabinet material." 250 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,720 And I said, "He's Cabinet material." 251 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,080 And Paul agreed. They all agreed. 252 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,160 Well, I saw he was different. 253 00:16:58,200 --> 00:16:59,400 You know, I was young. 254 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,680 I wanted someone younger than your average Labour MP. 255 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,360 I wanted someone with a bit of go about them 256 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,320 and there he was sitting on the settee. 257 00:17:06,360 --> 00:17:09,560 So why not give the young lad a go? 258 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:10,800 Wow! 259 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,120 Tony jumped up and, er... 260 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,520 ..you know, we had a couple more drinks. 261 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,000 HE LAUGHS 262 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,480 Blair successfully charms the Sedgefield Labour Party, 263 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,560 and becomes their MP. 264 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,400 But nationally, Labour suffer a devastating defeat. 265 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,680 Still, by entering Parliament, 266 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,440 Blair fulfils his father's dream. 267 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,720 ARCHIVE: Westminster's best-known watering places were opening up 268 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,920 for some new customers this evening. 269 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,760 At one of them, I met some of the 150 new Commons faces. 270 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,640 The image of the Labour Party's got to be an image 271 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,840 that's more dynamic, more modern, more suited to the 1980s. 272 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,280 I don't actually think it's nearly so much 273 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,920 a matter of right and left as people make it out. 274 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,880 What I do think is, that it's a matter of style. 275 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,600 The truth is, we live in a different world now. 276 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,280 We live in a world where over 50% of the population 277 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,960 in this country are owner-occupiers. 278 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,440 We live in a population where there are 279 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,240 large numbers of people now employed in the service industries 280 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,080 rather than manufacturing industries, 281 00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:30,520 and that means a change in attitude 282 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,720 and a change of attitude that we've got to catch up to. 283 00:18:36,360 --> 00:18:39,600 The party elects a new leader, Neil Kinnock... 284 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,160 OK. Thanks for coming in. 285 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:43,800 ..who spots the potential 286 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,480 of the new backbench MP for Sedgefield. 287 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:53,600 I asked him if he would fulfil this role on the Treasury team. 288 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:58,000 He was ecstatically pleased 289 00:18:58,040 --> 00:18:59,880 and made no secret of it. 290 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:02,000 "Do you really mean it? Do you really mean it?" 291 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,640 I don't think I'd ever encountered, 292 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,280 before or afterwards, 293 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,520 anyone who was so manifestly delighted 294 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,360 at what he saw as a promotion. 295 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,880 Blair befriends Gordon Brown. 296 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,600 They share a room at the House of Commons. 297 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,320 Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. Didn't they do well? 298 00:19:28,360 --> 00:19:31,880 He did even better. He got 50,000 votes more, didn't you, than he got? 299 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,000 But both of you did extremely well indeed. 300 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,840 They become a pair with contrasting personalities. 301 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:39,800 I want to see a wider membership, 302 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,640 I want to see better attention to the regional organisation, 303 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,680 and I want to give more attention to the policy-making process, 304 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,120 so these are things that we want to see happen. 305 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:49,560 Did you have to...? 306 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:50,960 He talked of a platform once he stood, 307 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,240 made it sound like a real election. 308 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,400 Did you have to scheme, organise, assemble votes for this? 309 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,280 No, because it's done in a fairly democratic way with... 310 00:19:58,320 --> 00:19:59,960 A fairly democratic way? 311 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,560 I mean very democratic, I'm just being unusually modest. 312 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,080 Gordon made a huge impression on Tony 313 00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:13,440 because he was a much more experienced political creature. 314 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:21,000 And I think Gordon got used to the idea 315 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:26,280 that Tony was there to support him 316 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,840 by bouncing ideas off him, 317 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,440 by discussing ideas, helping him develop. 318 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,440 But at the same time, the fact was 319 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,560 that Tony was also learning from Gordon 320 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,920 and developing HIS ideas, 321 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,200 and they weren't always the same as Gordon's ideas. 322 00:20:52,120 --> 00:20:54,360 APPLAUSE 323 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,800 By 1992, almost everyone expects Labour to win 324 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,640 the upcoming election of that year. 325 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:05,320 Well, all right. 326 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,280 Well, all right! 327 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,200 I first met Tony Blair in March 1992, 328 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,920 just before the general election of that year. 329 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,000 I got a call from his office saying, "Tony would like to meet you." 330 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:21,480 It's the only time I think that 331 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,880 a politician's actually asked to see me. 332 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,240 So, I booked a restaurant, and we met. 333 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,000 Of course, like everyone, 334 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,080 I was overwhelmed by his charm. 335 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,280 Blair was a radical, transformative politician. 336 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,040 There's no doubt about that. 337 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,280 The Labour equivalent of Margaret Thatcher 338 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,680 in his determination to pull the Labour Party 339 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,200 into a completely different mode of thinking. 340 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,120 I said, "Well, anyway, looks like you'll be in government 341 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,560 "in a couple of months," because that's what everyone thought, 342 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,680 and he said, "Oh, no, no, no. We're going to lose." 343 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,800 Labour do in fact lose, 344 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:00,840 and Tony now hopes that Gordon will put his hat into the ring 345 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,920 to be the new leader. 346 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,520 But Gordon throws his support behind his fellow Scot, 347 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,440 John Smith. 348 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,600 I therefore declare that John Smith is elected 349 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,480 the leader of the Labour Party. 350 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:14,920 APPLAUSE 351 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,920 And Tony's hopes that he and Gordon will transform 352 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,640 the party are derailed. 353 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,920 That was a crucial moment for Blair. 354 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,880 That was the moment when the iron entered his soul. 355 00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:32,920 John Smith looks like a Labour leader who can win power. 356 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,000 He's a popular and skilled political operator, 357 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:37,800 but he has a heart condition. 358 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,160 In April 1994, Tony and his wife, Cherie, 359 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,280 go for a weekend in Paris. 360 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,520 And it's here that Blair wakes suddenly with a premonition 361 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,160 that John Smith is about to die. 362 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:07,080 Well... 363 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,080 ..it was a rather extraordinary thing. 364 00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:14,400 I actually did wake up in the morning, 365 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,240 and I remember, I woke up and I thought, 366 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,520 "You've got to prepare yourself for this. 367 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,320 "I think it's going to happen." 368 00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:23,320 I remember saying to Cherie, 369 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:28,000 "I feel it's possible that this heart condition could come back, 370 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,760 "and I've got to think then about what happens if it does." 371 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,960 Erm, and... 372 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:37,720 ..whether... 373 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,760 ..whether it really is the moment that I would go for 374 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,560 the leadership if that did happen. 375 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,480 And that was the first time we'd really properly discussed it. 376 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:50,240 You said to her, "If John dies, I will be leader, 377 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:54,280 "not Gordon, and somehow, I think this will happen. 378 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:55,720 "I just think it will." 379 00:23:57,120 --> 00:24:00,880 Yeah, I just, I felt this strong premonition 380 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,760 and I don't quite know, who knows how these things come 381 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,920 into your mind like that, but it came into my mind 382 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,040 with a degree of certainty that both surprised me 383 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:12,600 and made me think, OK... 384 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,360 Who knows whether it's right or wrong, 385 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:15,840 but you're going to have to think now 386 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,440 and you're going to have to think about the decision 387 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,920 because you know in your own mind you want to do it, 388 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,200 and you're going to have to think how you handle Gordon 389 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,480 because it's going to be a huge problem for you 390 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,480 and your relationship, and I hadn't really discussed it with him 391 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,480 because I was thinking, "Well, what's the point?" 392 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,120 You know, it may never happen 393 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,840 and therefore there's no point in ending up... 394 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,720 Because I knew it would be a difficult conversation, 395 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,840 because it had always been assumed that he would be the leader. 396 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,360 But I thought, "No, you've got to prepare yourself for this 397 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,560 "and for the conversation that will come." 398 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,120 Good evening. The leader of the Labour Party, 399 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,040 John Smith, died this morning in hospital after suffering 400 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,760 a massive heart attack at his London home. 401 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,000 It was a very extraordinary situation at the funeral 402 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:27,200 because you've got the absolute grief of his family 403 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,880 and then the grief of the party. 404 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,120 And then, on the other hand, 405 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,920 there was the inevitable thoughts of, 406 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,240 "Well, what's going to happen to the party now?" 407 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,240 It was an incredibly intense day. 408 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:24,080 Everybody was thinking about the succession. 409 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,320 Everybody's looking around, thinking, 410 00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:37,080 "Is he going to run for it?" 411 00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:39,040 "Who's going to support him?" 412 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,120 "Is it going to be Gordon or is it going to be Tony?" 413 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,040 SINGING 414 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:57,360 I was determined that he wasn't going to let his decency, 415 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,320 thinking that he should defer to Gordon, 416 00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:03,640 get in the way of what I thought was best for him 417 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,760 and best for the country. 418 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,920 I said to him, "You've got to go for it. 419 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,800 "It's got to be you." 420 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,520 When I met Tony, 421 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,520 I said of course we'd have to think about this very carefully 422 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,640 and work out which of them would gather the most support. 423 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,440 You know, who would be the best modernisers candidate? 424 00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:29,480 He just looked at me. 425 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,240 He said, "Peter, I'm going to do this." 426 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,920 I said, "Well, yes, yes, yes, but we'll consider how..." 427 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,880 You know? "No," he said. 428 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,320 "I'm going to do this." 429 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,520 It really was as if his time had come. 430 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,640 He had a sense of destiny. 431 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,080 Blair and Brown engage in a series of fraught negotiations 432 00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:59,680 over which one of them will run for leader. 433 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,680 They were such close, good, intimate friends. 434 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,440 It was like a married couple deciding whose career 435 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,840 should come first. 436 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,800 I mean, Gordon would have been thinking, 437 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,520 "I've been betrayed by my best friend. 438 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,640 "I was always going to be the leader. 439 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,280 "I thought that was the deal." 440 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,080 I'm only talking about the European elections. Is that OK? 441 00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:24,200 Can I just put one question to you about the leadership? 442 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,720 Not at all. We're talking about the European elections today. OK. 443 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,200 What are you planning to do today, sir? Thanks. 444 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,600 Tony was feeling absolutely 100% determined 445 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,160 "I'm going to persuade him. 446 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,400 "I'm going to persuade him. I'm going to persuade him." 447 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,680 As they try to thrash out a deal, 448 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:51,120 they have at least ten secret meetings that culminate in a dinner 449 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,440 at a north London restaurant called Granita. 450 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,920 What's your understanding of his agreement with Gordon? 451 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,000 Well, first of all, there was never an agreement 452 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,280 and there were a number of meetings, 453 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,720 some of them were in my sister's house, and, really, 454 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,240 the deed was done before they had that meal in... 455 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,600 ..the Granola or whatever it was called. Granita. Granita. 456 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,680 Yes. Granita, that's right. 457 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,320 It became a thing of legend that it was all sorted out there, 458 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,320 but it was much more drawn out than that. 459 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,640 But what was it, in essence? 460 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,840 That Gordon would stand down for Tony, 461 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,680 but Gordon would be Chancellor, 462 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:41,960 and he would have control over the economic policy. 463 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:49,480 And that, at some point, when Tony stood down, 464 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,080 he would support Gordon to be his successor. 465 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,560 The details of what was agreed are contested to this day. 466 00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:03,160 Many in Brown's camp claim Blair set a limit on the time 467 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,000 he would serve as leader. 468 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,840 But there was never, to my mind... 469 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,280 In fact, I said to him before he went... 470 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:19,600 .."Don't promise to set any kind of date." 471 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,680 But Tony, being a very charming person, 472 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,000 I think can often make people think they hear what they want to hear. 473 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:34,640 So, I think that Gordon may well have spoken of a time limit 474 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,680 and Tony may not have strongly disabused him of that. 475 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:43,080 Did any part of you feel a little bit sorry for Gordon? 476 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:44,920 No. 477 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,320 It's... 478 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,040 In politics, there comes a point... 479 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,680 ..when you have to make a choice. 480 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,440 I don't love having a confrontation, 481 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,480 it's not my natural way, 482 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,320 contrary to, I think, sometimes the image of sort of, 483 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,760 you know, he's messianic and all of that. 484 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,320 No, I'm not like that. 485 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,840 If I can avoid having a big fight and row, I'll happily avoid it, 486 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,680 but I always know there comes a point when, 487 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,520 you know, if it's something that really, really matters, 488 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,560 you're going to have to... 489 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,160 You've got to confront it. 490 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,520 If I thought he was going to do the things 491 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,680 I thought were necessary for the Labour Party, 492 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,440 I really would have been happy to have been number two. 493 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,760 But I think he found that incredibly difficult, 494 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,720 for understandable reasons, 495 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,080 and we resolved it in the end. 496 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,720 But when something like that happens, 497 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,440 it changes the nature of the relationship and, 498 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,560 you know, to be honest, you never fully resolve it, so... 499 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,440 It had to be done. 500 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,720 This morning, I am announcing my candidature 501 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,720 for the position of leader of the Labour Party. 502 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,840 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 503 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,560 Well, Tony was always a smoothie. 504 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,520 His weakness was the lack of deep thinking, 505 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,080 knowledge of history. 506 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,480 And I think he wants to be a big thinker, 507 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,520 but that's not what he is. 508 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,320 I mean, maybe we're all the same, you know, 509 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,080 whatever our strength is, we want the other strength. 510 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,480 His strength was certainly the personal charm 511 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:40,880 and the communications. 512 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,800 I don't think he's a great leader. 513 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,280 Mr Blair, good morning. Good morning. 514 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,680 The other two contenders for the leadership are prepared 515 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,360 to serve as deputy. Why aren't you? 516 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,360 Because I don't wish to be deputy. Why not? 517 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,240 You're the youngest of the three with the least experience. 518 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,320 Because I don't desire to be deputy leader. 519 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,360 It's a very, very good post. 520 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,960 I think that both of my colleagues would make excellent deputy leaders, 521 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,360 but it's not a post I desire for myself. 522 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,160 Have you really thought through the effect of the job 523 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,160 you're about to take on, assuming you get it, 524 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,200 upon yourself and your family? 525 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,000 I've reflected upon it a great deal. 526 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,880 And you've decided that the effect is worth living with, 527 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,200 assuming that you can become Prime Minister? 528 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:27,800 Yes, I have. 529 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,120 It is not an easy decision, 530 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,000 and I am well aware of what is about to fall upon me. 531 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,000 He was steely, clear, 532 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,560 he had real energy and restlessness, 533 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,800 that was, you, know, politically exciting. 534 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,480 I do remember asking him whether 535 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,120 he thought he was really tough enough 536 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,240 for what was coming. 537 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:52,840 Do you think you're tough enough to cope 538 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,000 with the sort of media onslaught that Neil Kinnock, 539 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,560 for example, had to endure? 540 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,200 I think it comes with the territory, 541 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,920 and I'm entirely prepared for it and, indeed, expect it. 542 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,120 APPLAUSE 543 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,760 Blair wins and now he's leader of the Labour Party. 544 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,920 CHEERS AND APPLAUSE 545 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,080 The blueprint for New Labour, 546 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,040 he had it in his head right from the start. 547 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,320 The idea that he was just some sort of, you know, 548 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,600 line of least resistance, pretty, front guy 549 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,360 could not be further from the truth. 550 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,400 He assembles a formidable team of political operators 551 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,040 and spin doctors. 552 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:39,160 They were this curious combination of Tony being Mr Good Guy 553 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:44,120 and then around him, you had these absolutely ruthless bastards. 554 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,800 Sorry... Richard, if you want anything, tomorrow, any other day, 555 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,360 get out. Get out. 556 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,680 I was being quite robust. 557 00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:56,040 And I remember Tony looking, ooh... 558 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,480 And I think part of him thinking, "Am I going over the top?" 559 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,720 But part of him thinking, 560 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,600 "That's what we need to do from time to time." 561 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,200 Tony was quite smart in leaving the brutality to others. 562 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,760 Together, they set about rebranding the party. 563 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,320 Tony Blair. 564 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:19,640 APPLAUSE 565 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,680 And in the face of staunch resistance, 566 00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:24,960 they rip up decades of Labour Party convention. 567 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,120 The historic goal of another Labour government. 568 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,040 Our party, New Labour. 569 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,720 Our mission, new Britain. 570 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,640 New Labour, new Britain. 571 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,280 APPLAUSE 572 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,480 Blair was the revolution - in his own person. 573 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,680 It was like he was laying the party at his father's feet. 574 00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:47,840 He'd changed it so much that his father would now vote for it. 575 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:20,680 It's July 1995, and Blair's just flown 10,000 miles 576 00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:24,520 to a tropical island in Australia to meet the most powerful man 577 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,080 in the British media, Rupert Murdoch. 578 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,720 We knew there would be terrible controversy. 579 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,520 We were accused of supping with the devil. 580 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,800 Take a long spoon with you - 581 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,320 that was the sort of general gist from our colleagues. 582 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,280 ..from ABC television. How're you going? Nice to see you. 583 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,200 You've come halfway around the world to talk to Rupert Murdoch 584 00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:51,760 and his men, why is that? 585 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,280 You're impersonating Dame Edna, aren't you? 586 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:55,520 THEY LAUGH 587 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,640 Do you expect Mr Rupert Murdoch's papers to support you 588 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,280 in the upcoming election? 589 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,880 No, I mean, I've made it clear right from the very start, 590 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,040 I'm not here to trade policy for editorial support. 591 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,240 What Mr Murdoch's papers do is up to him, 592 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,280 what the Labour Party does is up to us. 593 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,240 Great. Thank you. OK? Thank you very much. 594 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,320 Thank you very much. Thanks. Thank you. Nice to meet you. 595 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:15,760 See you. Bye-bye. 596 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:24,200 Quite a lot of people, Jeremy Corbyn, in the Labour Party, 597 00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:27,200 I mean, people like Roy Hattersley, would say this is the move 598 00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:29,200 of a shrewd political operator. 599 00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:32,520 I think this smacks too much to me of an endorsement, 600 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,880 and almost a craven endorsement, of the Murdoch empire. 601 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,160 I think it's a great mistake. 602 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,400 My point was that he was therefore accepting 603 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,240 the way in which Murdoch ran his papers. 604 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:50,480 There was no sense of standing up to what Murdoch was doing to our media. 605 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:56,760 Blair had this ability to separate himself 606 00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:01,040 from the political, philosophical debate 607 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:05,800 around an issue and go into it in a totally transactional way. 608 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,320 Tony Blair said to me, 609 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,480 how we treat Rupert Murdoch 610 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,400 in power will depend on how he treats Labour 611 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,440 in the run up to the election. 612 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,640 It's pretty simple, you know, you scratch my back, 613 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,280 I'll scratch yours. 614 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:27,760 That's what it came down to. 615 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,920 Having charmed the media mogul, 616 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,040 Blair seems equally at ease 617 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,640 getting gushing endorsements from rockstars. 618 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,040 There are seven people in this room tonight 619 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,000 who are giving a little bit of hope 620 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,920 to young people in this country. 621 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,120 That is me, our kid, 622 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,880 Bonehead, Guigsy, 623 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,800 Alan White, Alan McGee, 624 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,240 and Tony Blair. 625 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:56,840 And if you've all got anything about you, 626 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,240 you get up there and you shake Tony Blair's hand, man. 627 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:00,520 He's the man. 628 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:01,920 Power to the people! 629 00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:04,840 I like you, Tony, 630 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,760 and I like you for a very specific reason, 631 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,920 which is that you seem to me to be like a real person. 632 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,200 But if it's not an overly pretentious question, 633 00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:14,560 I mean, are you as real as you appear? 634 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,560 Because it seems to me that people worry, 635 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,320 they see you surrounded by what they call spin doctors, 636 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,880 and they think that perhaps this realness is kind of manufactured. 637 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,360 What do you think? 638 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,440 Well, you can't manufacture the realness in the end. 639 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,520 I mean, people have got to make a judgment on it. 640 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,360 But we run a professional show in the Labour Party today. 641 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,880 Yeah. We do things in a professional way, but it doesn't mean to say 642 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,520 you're not real or you can't be a human being at the same time. 643 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,040 Dad... Dad! 644 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,800 Dad! Dad! 645 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,400 If you don't make the time for your family, 646 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,480 then I think your politics actually becomes much less effective 647 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,440 because they keep your feet on the ground, 648 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,880 they may drive you mad, but they keep you sane. 649 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,560 The first time I went to see Tony Blair at his home, 650 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,000 it was almost like arriving on a film set. 651 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,400 You felt that everybody, whether it was Cherie Blair 652 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,640 and the children and the coffee maker and all the rest of it, 653 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,080 you felt you were seeing a brilliantly orchestrated 654 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,720 performance of what they thought that a new Labour leader, 655 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,280 how he ought to live and what his children ought to look like 656 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,400 and what his wife ought to look like. 657 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,800 PIANO PLAYS 658 00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:39,680 Tony and the family, they did a brilliant imposture 659 00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:41,320 of being normal human beings. 660 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,440 Now, actually anybody who is on his way to becoming 661 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,600 Prime Minister is not a normal human being, 662 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,480 but they played the game brilliantly. 663 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,360 You have obviously also had to think through the possibility 664 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,360 of being in Number Ten Downing Street, both of you. 665 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,640 You take it stage by stage, actually. 666 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,120 I'm a great believer in the old Mrs Beeton recipe 667 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,520 for rabbit stew - first, catch your rabbit. 668 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,080 THEY CHUCKLE 669 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,960 Cherie, do you have sort of daunting feelings about it? 670 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,400 I've never even been near Downing Street, so I've got no idea. 671 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,080 I've never even stood outside the door. 672 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:17,040 Well, it's got to cross your mind that it might end that way. 673 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,400 Well, I'm sure that there will be space somewhere 674 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,640 for the children and me. 675 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,440 The thing you have to understand about Cherie 676 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,920 is that she had strong political views, 677 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,080 a strong sense of ambition. 678 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,560 If not, Tony, it could have been Cherie. 679 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,200 It was Cherie who was sort of, in a sense, 680 00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:39,800 the Labour Party animal, the person, you know, 681 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,200 who wanted to run as a candidate 682 00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:45,840 and to join the leadership of the Labour Party. 683 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,960 And she took a very profound, 684 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,960 and it must have been quite a difficult personal decision, 685 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,360 in a sense, to step back and to be his support. 686 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,640 There was about a six-month period, no more... Yeah. 687 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,960 ..when I was the candidate and Tony was still looking for a seat, 688 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,720 and so he had to trail behind me. TONY CHUCKLES 689 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,440 Probably didn't do any harm, did it? No... 690 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,680 Probably didn't do any harm but I certainly at the time felt 691 00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:10,440 it didn't do me any good! THEY LAUGH 692 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:16,800 The marriage was so strong, not smooth, 693 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:21,040 not easy, lots of gyrations, 694 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,320 lots of, sort of, shouting in the background, 695 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,640 but, my word, it was the rock. 696 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,640 That marriage was the rock on which Tony's political career was made. 697 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,880 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 698 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,560 There was an idea that I would write one of those sort of 699 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,720 campaign diaries or the story of an election campaign, 700 00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,360 and Tony Blair was keen 701 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,560 that I did it and I really got an astonishing first-hand insight 702 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,240 into that whole election. 703 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,080 And really witnessed a politician at the top of their game. 704 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:12,120 BABY GRIZZLES 705 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,360 He loved campaigning. 706 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,520 I can change a note. There you go. 707 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,720 On the battle bus, he'd go and sit at the front next to the driver, 708 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,080 so that he could see cars coming towards him 709 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:27,320 or people on the street. 710 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,120 He sought a connection. 711 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:31,920 Hello, Northampton. 712 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,520 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 713 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,760 I think that he just grew in confidence as the campaign went on. 714 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,720 And the crowds became much bigger and the enthusiasm 715 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,720 for him was much greater. 716 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:52,040 And it was like watching a flower blossom in the sunlight. 717 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,920 Can we have a kiss again? Will you give him a kiss, again? 718 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,120 I'm coming back to Basildon. Definitely, definitely. 719 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,400 It was very interesting to me during the '97 election 720 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,640 that he wore a lot of make-up. 721 00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:11,080 There were not one, but two make-up people travelling with him, 722 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:12,920 and he liked that. 723 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,920 It was like he was putting on the war paint every day 724 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,320 before he went out. 725 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,400 I got the impression, talking to people who knew him, 726 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,280 like his old housemaster at school, 727 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,320 that he was quite a difficult, rebellious, 728 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,600 long-haired, tricky boy to have in the house. 729 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,400 And that this all changed when the house put on 730 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,680 a production of Julius Caesar, and he played Mark Antony. 731 00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:54,480 And he said to me, "I saw him visibly swell 732 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,720 "when he went onstage for the first time, 733 00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,920 "as if he had found his calling." 734 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,000 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 735 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,360 It's a clue to Tony's character 736 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,480 that he saw being a party leader 737 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,600 as a 24-hour a day performance. 738 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,680 He always needed to perform. 739 00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:23,960 Please welcome the Leader of the Opposition, 740 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,640 the right honourable Tony Blair. 741 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,200 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 742 00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:36,000 It was on television, really, 743 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,040 that politicians meet their electorate, 744 00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:43,720 and he has this ability to separate his inner self 745 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,680 from the public persona. 746 00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:48,520 Sitting on that couch last week were the Spice Girls. 747 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:49,960 CHUCKLING 748 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,760 Right. Right. 749 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,480 Mrs Thatcher, they thought, was the first Spice Girl. 750 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,760 They did! They said that, didn't they, Tony? 751 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,840 Well, I've actually, I did meet the Spice Girls. 752 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,000 They had sort of bare midriffs, short skirts... Mm-hm. 753 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,880 ..sort of earrings through various parts. Pins and things. 754 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,400 Pins and things and tattoos. 755 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,640 I can't really see Margaret Thatcher like that. 756 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,000 LAUGHTER 757 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,480 You did go on Chris Evans' show, apparently, and said that Bowie - 758 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,360 this is David Bowie - his wife, Iman, was your dream girl. 759 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,320 Did you actually say that? 760 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,360 I did. Well, he asked me the question, 761 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,080 and I broke the first rule of politics 762 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:28,600 and lapsed into total honesty. 763 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,920 There's nothing wrong with that in politics! 764 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,880 We don't get enough, do we? APPLAUSE 765 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,200 Tony Blair! 766 00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:38,200 Well done. Tony Blair! 767 00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,440 On the 1st of May 1997, 768 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,280 after 18 years of Tory rule, 769 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,400 Britain goes to the polls. 770 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,480 My parents were very superstitious. 771 00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,280 We could not say, "Dad's going to win the election" 772 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:00,480 because it might not happen. 773 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,760 And I was only nine, so I didn't know what an election meant, 774 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,880 I didn't know what him being Prime Minister meant 775 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,080 and so, I did not know... And we hadn't packed anything. 776 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,600 BUSY CHATTER CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING 777 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,240 REPORTERS SHOUTING QUESTIONS Mr Blair, look this way, please. 778 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,240 Tony, this way, please. Thank you. 779 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,360 It was exciting and a little bit scary. 780 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,120 Press are not very child-friendly. 781 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,160 This way. Everybody this way. All right? 782 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:28,960 OVERLAPPING QUESTIONS 783 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,480 This way, please. That's it. 784 00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,120 There were just so many press there, 100 cameras in your face, 785 00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,960 shouting your name, wanting you to look at them and, smile, 786 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,440 smile, do this, and you're just like, what is going on? 787 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,520 I remember it being very terrifying. 788 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,520 And I was just holding my dad's hand thinking, "What are we doing? 789 00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,560 "Why are all these people here?!" 790 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,040 REPORTERS SHOUTING 791 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:49,840 Mr Blair, this way, please. 792 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,440 To the middle. This way, please. Thank you. 793 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,440 This way, Mrs Blair. 794 00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,400 BELL STRIKES THE HOUR There it is. Ten o'clock and we say, 795 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,240 Tony Blair is to be Prime Minister 796 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,960 and a landslide is likely. 797 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:13,600 CHEERING 798 00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,240 On election night, I arrived at his house and the first thing I noticed, 799 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,280 of course, was there were now men with machineguns 800 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:27,800 standing around in the garden. 801 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,440 He was about to become Prime Minister, clearly. 802 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,440 OVERLAPPING SPEECH 803 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,760 Anthony Charles Linton Blair, 804 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,040 the Labour Party candidate, 33,000... 805 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:41,920 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 806 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:53,600 At the count, 807 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,640 I was a few miles from where I'd been brought up. 808 00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,360 My dad was there. 809 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,480 My mum wasn't. 810 00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,480 My dad had really... 811 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,640 All his ambitions in the end had failed 812 00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,760 because of his illness, but here was his son, 813 00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,480 about to become the British Prime Minister 814 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,400 and he was so proud and happy, 815 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:20,200 and I was happy for him and, yeah, it was... 816 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,040 And I also... I missed my mum. 817 00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:35,480 So, off goes Tony Blair. 818 00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:39,480 The engines of his jet will soon be starting, 819 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,880 the door will close, 820 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,760 and he will be down amongst even more admirers. 821 00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,840 Got my notes, sir? Got the notes. 822 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,760 OK, Tom? Could get used to this. 823 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:51,800 TONY CHUCKLES 824 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:58,280 We went on the plane, and everyone was very excited, 825 00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,840 and Alastair was constantly saying, you know, 826 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,680 "We've just won this", and "we've just won that". 827 00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:07,120 And Tony was just very still and very quiet 828 00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:08,640 and we were sat up at the front. 829 00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:12,800 And I was just holding his hand. 830 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,040 And, you know, he did say... 831 00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:19,400 "What have we done?" 832 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,000 And I think it was more about... 833 00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:28,080 ..the weight of it. 834 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,040 There's Tony Blair smiling again, greeting, 835 00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,160 shaking hands with party workers they all want to shake his hand. 836 00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:48,880 He'll take one or two of them... 837 00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,440 Everyone was sort of cheering and shouting. 838 00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:57,880 You know, people were saying to me, 839 00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,040 well, it's all fantastic, 840 00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,520 and I was just sitting there thinking, 841 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,920 "Yeah, well, we're now going to be running the country," 842 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,080 so, you know, no more words. 843 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,400 They're not going to do it any more. 844 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:09,800 What about fear? 845 00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,160 Yeah, some fear, yeah, some fear, I think. 846 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,240 Because are you going to be up to it? Can you, do it? 847 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:17,800 What's going to happen? 848 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,640 Did you enjoy it a bit, those first 24 hours? 849 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,840 You know, if I'm really honest about it, 850 00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,040 I'm not sure I did enjoy it that much, 851 00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,720 just because I was just thinking, you know, 852 00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:35,080 "Here you are - you're in your early 40s, you're Prime Minister." 853 00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,680 And rather than thinking, "You're Prime Minister, wow!", 854 00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:40,120 I was like, "You're Prime Minister, so... 855 00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:46,360 "..you better do a good job because now what happens 856 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,600 "to this country and its people depends on you." 857 00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,400 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 858 00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,800 MUSIC: Movin' On Up by Primal Scream 859 00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,800 # I was blind 860 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,560 # Now I can see 861 00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,280 # You made a believer 862 00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,360 # Out of me... # 863 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,160 I remember being stunned at the amount of people there were, 864 00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,400 there were all these flags everywhere. 865 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,000 Everyone seemed really happy. 866 00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,800 # I'm movin' on up now... # 867 00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,720 Even as a 13-year-old, and right in the middle of it, 868 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,280 there was a genuine sense of excitement. 869 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,000 It was kind of nice to think, 870 00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:39,960 "Wow, people really like Dad." 871 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,960 Of course, then. As it developed and you'd read the papers 872 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,680 and everything else, you'd realise that not everyone liked him. 873 00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:50,880 # I was lost 874 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,440 # Now I'm found 875 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,800 # I believe in you 876 00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,560 # I've got no bounds... # 877 00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,960 Blair comes to power with uncharted levels of popularity. 878 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,200 He pushes through a blizzard of bold new policies 879 00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:08,680 that change the way Britain works. 880 00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:10,560 This is a government in a hurry. 881 00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,880 The Bank of England is to be made independent. 882 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,880 Scotland and Wales are to have their own parliaments. 883 00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,480 For the first time, there'll be a minimum wage. 884 00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,120 Oh, yes! 885 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:26,480 And to improve education, class sizes will be reduced. 886 00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,840 One of the things I think he was drawn to, 887 00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:31,360 as it were, almost irresistibly, 888 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:37,000 was his belief to solve problems which had defeated everybody else. 889 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,720 He was drawn to making Labour electable by inventing 890 00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,000 New Labour and then delivering it. 891 00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,280 And I think he was drawn to Northern Ireland, 892 00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,960 it had defeated everyone else - he could do it. 893 00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,400 Northern Ireland's Catholic and Protestant communities 894 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,880 have been deeply divided for decades and are caught in 895 00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,840 a seemingly never-ending cycle of sectarian violence. 896 00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,560 Tony came back from Chequers, 897 00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,560 and he came in Monday morning, sort of, you know, 898 00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,440 all bouncy and what have you, and he said, 899 00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,280 "I've worked out how to do Northern Ireland. 900 00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,720 "I've worked it out." "Oh, OK. You've worked it out? 901 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,200 "How have you done that?" 902 00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:35,480 And he did become pretty obsessed with it. 903 00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,680 Blair sets the goal of getting a peace agreement within a year. 904 00:54:43,720 --> 00:54:47,360 The stakes were enormous on Northern Ireland, 905 00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,560 and I was alarmed that he would be out of his depth. 906 00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,440 And I said to him, 907 00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,800 "Prime Minister, I've got to say to you, I am worried. 908 00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,760 "You are going to be moving in with people who have huge, 909 00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:04,880 "sensitive issues, a lot of history, a lot of anger. 910 00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,560 "Are you going to be ready for it?" 911 00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,600 And he said, "Look, Richard, 912 00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,800 "I don't need to know about the history. 913 00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,080 "I'm better off if I don't know the history. 914 00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:15,400 "I'm going to focus on the people. 915 00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,280 "You watch, it'll work." 916 00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,480 SHOUTING 917 00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,560 He takes the highly controversial step of inviting 918 00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,160 the Irish Republican leaders of Sinn Fein to Downing Street. 919 00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,520 Tony invested a huge amount of time in meeting Gerry Adams 920 00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,840 and Martin McGuinness, and Ian Paisley 921 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,560 and other Northern Irish politicians. 922 00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,720 And we'd bring them into Downing Street and, 923 00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,880 particularly when we had the DUP, Ian Paisley's party, involved, 924 00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,160 they would not meet Sinn Fein. 925 00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,280 They would not be in the same building as Sinn Fein. 926 00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,880 But when I was with Paisley in the Cabinet Office, 927 00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,280 I noticed looking out of the window, to my horror, 928 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,480 that Adams and McGuinness had escaped from Number Ten 929 00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:53,640 and into the Rose Garden 930 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,880 and were playing with the Blair children with their skateboard. 931 00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,200 They go out for a break, right, 932 00:55:58,240 --> 00:55:59,880 from these very intense sessions, 933 00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:03,080 and they see me and my brother skateboarding in the garden. 934 00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,600 And we sort of said to them, "Hey, do you want to try?" 935 00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:07,160 Cos they were sort of watching us. 936 00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,160 And so you're in the farcical situation of kind of 937 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,080 trying to teach Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness 938 00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,920 how to skateboard against the backdrop of something 939 00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,600 incredibly serious and solemn and historic. 940 00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:21,120 And I remember telling Dad afterwards, and he was just... 941 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,200 "Thank God they didn't injure themselves." 942 00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:28,680 CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS 943 00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:31,560 It's 7th April 1998. 944 00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,360 Blair arrives in Belfast 945 00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,080 with most of the key players around the negotiating table. 946 00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,000 But the talks are on the brink of collapse 947 00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:43,360 and there's a deadline looming just days away. 948 00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:44,520 Morning. 949 00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,920 We're here to do a job, work, and we've got to get it done. 950 00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,280 And we've got complete determination to do it. 951 00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,760 We were in this awful building, 952 00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,080 and he could get incredibly frustrated. 953 00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,080 He was saying, like, you know, "If this... 954 00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,800 "If we could just sort this out without all the other people, 955 00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,880 "we could do it right now, right? 956 00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:04,600 "But we're having to deal with all this 957 00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,000 "fucking this and fucking that." 958 00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:07,880 He's not a table slammer, 959 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,880 but I saw him at one point slamming the table 960 00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,280 and he just went, "Fuck, fuck, fuck," like that. 961 00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,080 Tony Blair was one of the most successful 962 00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,400 and most skilful negotiators I ever came across. 963 00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,360 He can play with a whole range of emotions, 964 00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,080 but he's always in control. 965 00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,000 And I do remember one negotiation we had, and he said to me, 966 00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,200 "Never lose your temper except on purpose." 967 00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,840 And it came home to me quite how he managed negotiations. 968 00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,360 The problem is, now you're into this day, 969 00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,640 is not that you can't reach it, 970 00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:41,280 it's just making sure that you drive the thing forward 971 00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:42,880 as quickly as possible. 972 00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,080 Machiavelli talks about needing the skill of the fox, 973 00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:47,800 but also the courage of the lion, 974 00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:51,000 and Tony had both - he had the ability on issues of principle 975 00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,440 to be really brave, really firm, 976 00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,560 but he also had a very sinuous way 977 00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:58,120 to charm people into things. 978 00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,440 Roy Jenkins said that Tony Blair had a second-class intellect, 979 00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,280 but a first-class temperament, 980 00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,240 and actually there's something in that that's really a compliment, 981 00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,320 which is that he had the most remarkable EQ. 982 00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,840 His ability to understand people, to relate to people, 983 00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,680 to empathise was his superpower. 984 00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,040 Well, ladies and gentlemen, you will have heard that 985 00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,680 the Senator Mitchell's announcement has been made that 986 00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:22,960 an agreement has been reached. 987 00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,480 Mrs Thatcher didn't believe Northern Ireland could be solved. 988 00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,320 John Major believed Northern Ireland could be solved, 989 00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:29,800 but he couldn't do it. 990 00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:31,000 Tony Blair believed both - 991 00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:32,560 that it could be done, and he could do it, 992 00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,320 and he really drove it through. 993 00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:39,040 Today, we have just a sense of the prize that is before us. 994 00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,840 He believed it was kind of his destiny to fulfil this. 995 00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,280 Somewhere written in the stars was for him 996 00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,440 to achieve this great thing for the country. 997 00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,120 The work to win that prize goes on. 998 00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:56,200 We cannot, we must not let it slip from our grasp. Thank you. 999 00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,560 But Mo Mowlam said to me that, "Tony succeeded 1000 00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:01,320 "because he thought he was fucking Jesus." 1001 00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,840 Less than two years into Blair's time as Prime Minister, 1002 00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,080 a war is escalating on the edge of Europe. 1003 00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,360 You're not looking bad for a man who doesn't sleep. 1004 00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,240 Yes, God almighty. 1005 00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:27,880 It's hell the last few days... 1006 00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,200 CHATTER CONTINUES 1007 00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:30,240 Right. 1008 00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:35,200 Serbian forces led by Slobodan Milosevic have driven 1009 00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,200 800,000 people from their homes in Kosovo. 1010 00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,040 Ethnic cleansing is taking place. 1011 00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,880 Blair is under pressure to act. 1012 00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:50,360 I went in to see Tony and I said it looks like war in Kosovo 1013 00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,680 because the diplomatic process has completely failed, 1014 00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:57,200 and we've got this commitment to intervene. 1015 00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,200 And I was surprised at how calmly he took it. 1016 01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,120 Because I could see this was going to be 1017 01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,520 the dominant issue over the next few months. 1018 01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,240 When a Prime Minister sends his forces into military action, 1019 01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,560 nothing else competes with it for attention. 1020 01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,480 It was obvious to me that what was happening 1021 01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,960 in Kosovo was effectively ethnic cleansing. 1022 01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,200 You know, there was murder, there was rape, 1023 01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,400 there was a displacement of the civilian population, 1024 01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:26,120 and I felt this was happening right on the doorstep of Europe. 1025 01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,040 We should act and we can act, 1026 01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:31,800 and therefore we're going to. 1027 01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,360 On the 24th of March 1999, 1028 01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:41,760 Blair takes a leading role as NATO planes are scrambled 1029 01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,600 to bomb targets in Serbia. 1030 01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,360 You are fighting a just war and a just cause, 1031 01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,680 and I believe we are fighting for the values of civilisation here. 1032 01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:08,440 Blair becomes convinced that the only way 1033 01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,800 to beat Milosevic is to threaten boots on the ground. 1034 01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,560 But other world leaders are set against it, 1035 01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,600 and Blair is isolated. 1036 01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:22,200 This was the one situation I remember Tony saying, 1037 01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,320 "If this is the last thing I do as Prime Minister, 1038 01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,760 "if I'm hounded out as a result of this, 1039 01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:28,920 "if it somehow goes belly up, 1040 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:30,400 "so be it - I'm going for it." 1041 01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,360 Blair starts a campaign to persuade 1042 01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:38,400 a reluctant US President Bill Clinton to back his plans. 1043 01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:46,720 First of all, it was the only real policy disagreement 1044 01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:50,640 I think we had of any magnitude the whole time we worked together. 1045 01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,400 I argued that we would have fewer casualties. 1046 01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:56,640 And that... 1047 01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,520 ..we might be able to win with air power. 1048 01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,240 I said, "I think we are morally obliged to win 1049 01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:07,320 "and to win it by killing the fewest number of people." 1050 01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:13,640 The New York Times splashed a headline saying 1051 01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,640 that Tony Blair was trying to toughen up Clinton 1052 01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:18,600 and make him agree to ground troops. 1053 01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,120 And Clinton went absolutely ape. 1054 01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:23,840 He called Tony from Air Force One. 1055 01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,080 And I remember being on the call, and he was so angry. 1056 01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:29,360 He really lost it. 1057 01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:30,800 He really shouted and yelled. 1058 01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,000 "I know what you're doing! You're trying to make me look weak 1059 01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:34,600 "and you're trying to make yourself look strong." 1060 01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:36,840 And Tony was saying, "No, no, no. Honestly, that wasn't us. 1061 01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,280 "We didn't do that. It's not in our interest to do that." 1062 01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,760 I believe there was a phone call between the two of you 1063 01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:44,160 and it got a little bit heated. 1064 01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:45,320 It did. 1065 01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,640 I was mad because his guys were trying to make him look good 1066 01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:50,640 in the New York Times at my expense 1067 01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:54,480 when we should have been united in fighting this war. 1068 01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,800 I was always totally honest with him. 1069 01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,960 I didn't ever pull any punches. 1070 01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:04,120 How did the Prime Minister bring the President down from that anger? 1071 01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:05,760 The method was to stay calm, 1072 01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,240 not to sort of panic as people sometimes do 1073 01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:08,600 when you face anger like that, 1074 01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,600 but to calmly say, "No, it honestly wasn't us, 1075 01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,720 "we don't want to do that, it's not in our interest to do that." 1076 01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,920 And gradually talked him down till they were able to end the call. 1077 01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:17,800 He could always, as we say at home, 1078 01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,760 he could always talk an owl out of a tree. 1079 01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:22,000 Ha. 1080 01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:25,560 Under pressure from Blair, 1081 01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:29,280 Clinton softens his stance on ground troops, 1082 01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:34,000 and in the face of a united front, Milosevic backs down. 1083 01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:38,800 The logic of the campaign came through to Tony 1084 01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,040 much quicker than it did to other leaders, 1085 01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:43,240 and I don't think we would have got anything like 1086 01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:46,160 the outcome had it not been for that personal commitment 1087 01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:47,360 that he made. 1088 01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,480 Blair's standing up to Milosevic helped end 1089 01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,480 the conflict in Kosovo, 1090 01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:57,600 saving thousands of lives. 1091 01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:06,200 CHANTING: Tony, Tony, Tony... 1092 01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:22,840 Whenever something in politics looks at its zenith, 1093 01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:26,600 the termites are at work on the base. 1094 01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:30,600 That is a sort of, cyclical, almost natural rule of politics. 1095 01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,520 And people that I've spoken to who know him very well, 1096 01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:35,440 they all point to Kosovo. 1097 01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,760 At that point, for the first time, 1098 01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:42,320 maybe a slight parting from reality began to take place. 1099 01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:48,560 CHANTING: Tony, Tony, Tony... 1100 01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:52,720 The moment that he appeared rather like, you know, 1101 01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,000 Christ walking through the Holy Land 1102 01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:59,280 with people hailing him as if he had worked a miracle, 1103 01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,680 a friend of mine, a friend of Tony's, 1104 01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,160 said to me he thought he could walk on water. 1105 01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:11,040 And in that triumph, the seeds of tragedy were sown. 1106 01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,280 WHISTLING 1107 01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,600 This is not a battle for NATO. CHANTING CONTINUES 1108 01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,600 This is not a battle for territory. 1109 01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:28,480 This is a battle for humanity. 1110 01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:30,280 It is a just cause. 1111 01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,120 It is a rightful cause. 1112 01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:36,240 And we will make sure that these people here are returned 1113 01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:37,320 to their homes. 1114 01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:40,440 That is our commitment to them - practical help, 1115 01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,120 practical commitment. 1116 01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:43,720 And, above all else, 1117 01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,840 a determination that all this suffering 1118 01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:48,600 and all this misery 1119 01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:51,840 and everything that has been created by the brutality 1120 01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:55,680 of Milosevic shall not last, but shall be reversed, 1121 01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:59,880 shall be defeated so these people can once again 1122 01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:02,880 become symbols of hope, humanity and peace. 1123 01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:04,600 Thank you. 1124 01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,320 APPLAUSE 1125 01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,560 He was at his best. 1126 01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,280 He really felt deeply it had to be done. 1127 01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,440 We had a moral responsibility to act. 1128 01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,560 The international politics were difficult, 1129 01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:22,680 but he showed genuine leadership 1130 01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,440 in moving the dial on it. 1131 01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:32,320 My concerns were the alacrity with which he wanted 1132 01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:34,160 to take military action. 1133 01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,000 His very quick decision - 1134 01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:37,800 we'll go in, we're going to get involved, 1135 01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:39,960 we're going to do this militarily. 1136 01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,920 It had been, in those terms, successful. 1137 01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:47,760 But I think he then realised that he had the power to do this. 1138 01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,960 And we then descended, in my view, 1139 01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,560 into the horrors of the post-2001 situation. 1140 01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,720 CHANTING: Tony, Tony, Tony... 1141 01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,880 Well, one of the things you learn in politics 1142 01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:02,680 is they can be chanting your name one day in praise 1143 01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,760 and they could be chanting it the next day in condemnation. 1144 01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:07,480 You've got to be strong enough 1145 01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,400 both to withstand the praise and the condemnation. 1146 01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:12,560 Once you come to the view that what you should do 1147 01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:16,160 is what you think is right, then you've got to stand by that. 1148 01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:19,280 Some people will hate it, some people will love it, 1149 01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:20,520 and that, you shouldn't... 1150 01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:22,760 It shouldn't propel you one way or the other. 1151 01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:55,000 Subtitles by Red Bee Media 93005

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