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This programme
contains strong language.
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Some say you were his Lady Macbeth.
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If anyone thinks Tony's my puppet,
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they just don't understand
the nature of the man.
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Right.
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He could always...
As we say at home,
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he could always talk
an owl out of a tree.
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When you think of Tony Blair,
what words spring to mind?
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I think he's a man in denial,
actually.
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Tony Blair, a Prime Minister
who never lost a general election.
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He is, without doubt,
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both one of the most successful
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and one of the most controversial
leaders Britain has ever had.
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One way of looking at him is
of thinking of him as an explorer.
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His whole story,
the life story of Tony Blair,
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is one of exploration of the world
to see how far he can get.
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If you're giving an interview,
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you've got to be pretty
disciplined about it.
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I've been pretty frank with you,
actually, most of the time.
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Oh! I think you should be
relatively pleased.
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Not all the time.
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Well, as much as you...
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As much as you deserve.
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HE CHUCKLES
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Is it a real bore to have
to answer questions?
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No, it's not,
but as I said to you when you
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started doing this programme,
I don't even know why anyone
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would be interested
in doing a programme on me,
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but since you are, that's fine,
and, you know, let's see.
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These are Tony Blair's parents,
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Hazel and Leo Blair.
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Leo's story is remarkable.
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He was born the son
of travelling performers
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and put into the foster care
of a Mr and Mrs Blair
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in a poor part of Glasgow.
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Tony's father joined the Army
and then the Conservative Party.
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He had dreams of becoming
Prime Minister.
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My dad was a remarkable man.
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He was chairman of
the local Conservative Party.
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He was a very successful barrister,
great speaker.
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By the way, I think he could have
been a Prime Minister, but anyway...
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Tony's father sends his son
to this boarding school...
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..at the age of 13.
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We were inside those railings,
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and you were pretty well cut-off.
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At Fettes, there was fagging,
there was beating,
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there was the church.
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There was still that feeling
you were being prepared
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to run an empire,
to be sent off to Burma
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or to India or somewhere
to run a tea plantation.
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Tony was very self-confident.
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He was very clever, too,
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and I think he knew he was clever.
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Tony arrived at Fettes
on the back of a family tragedy.
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His father had a massive stroke,
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from which he never fully recovered,
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and any dreams his father had
of being Prime Minister were over.
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I want to take you back
to July 1964.
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You will remember that
that's when your dad had a stroke.
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Tell me what happened.
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I guess I was ten, 11 years old.
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How did it impact you, do you think?
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I don't spend a lot of time
psychoanalysing myself,
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but I think when I look back on it,
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it must have had an impact on my
thinking about the world and life.
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You know, it was such
a traumatic event.
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I remember the event of that night
and that day and the next day
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and the days that followed
so vividly that...
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Of course, it makes
an impact on your life,
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and I guess it teaches you
that life is fragile.
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Tony's father's speech
never fully recovered,
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but at school,
Tony kept this to himself.
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You never had any sense of
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how his father's stroke
might have affected him?
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No, not really. No, no.
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We never really discussed it.
It's sort of... It's bizarre, yeah.
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What do you think Fettes taught
Tony Blair about himself?
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The school teaches you to survive.
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It knocks a lot of
the emotion out of you.
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You become very insular.
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And he was strong,
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and didn't really show much
in the way of emotion -
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or I never saw it.
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It was a bad thing to show emotion
when you were at these schools.
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After Fettes,
Blair goes up to Oxford.
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He studies law
and sings in a rock band.
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Also in Oxford is his childhood
friend Anji Hunter,
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who would go on to become one
of his closest political advisers.
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Tony arrived, fresh-faced, fun.
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He was good-looking,
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he was fun to be with,
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articulate.
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And he looked like every other guy
that came to Oxford in 1972,
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which basically was long hair,
and he had a big fur coat.
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We just became great friends.
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I want to touch on something else
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that happened while
you were at university,
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which is a good friend of yours
took his own life, Euan.
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Yes, erm...
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So, Euan... Euan...
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..had been my dearest friend
at school.
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There was a group of us,
and he was a great guy.
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He was a wonderful,
wonderful young man, and...
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..unfortunately he got into drugs,
I think.
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And he became
sort of mentally unstable
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and then took his own life
and it had a big impact on me,
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because he...
First of all, because obviously
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he was a very, very dear friend
and secondly, because I...
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You know, I... I just...
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I felt what a waste it was
because he had such talent.
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He was such a clever young man
with such a strong personality.
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He would have done great things
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and when my first son was born,
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I named him after him.
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Euan's suicide had
a big impact on Tony,
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and he came back, it was
at the end of the summer term,
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I remember he came back
the following term
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with his hair cut
and he wasn't wearing the fur coat.
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He straightened up a lot after that.
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Tony makes his way at Oxford,
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doing well enough to plan
for a career as a lawyer.
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In those days, of course,
you made a telephone call
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from a telephone box,
putting the coins in the box,
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and therefore, you weren't
every day in contact
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with your family as you are today.
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My mother had been ill.
I knew she had cancer,
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and the family didn't
want to tell me
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because I was doing
my final exams at Oxford.
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They didn't want to tell me
how serious it was.
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But I remember when
I got off the train
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and my dad picked me up
at the station,
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he said to me,
"Look, you know, you should
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"just prepare yourself for this."
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And I said,
"But you're not seriously telling me
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"she's going to die?"
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And he said, "Well, no,
I am telling you that. She is.
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"She's in hospital
and she's going to die soon."
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So that was, you know...
Yeah, of course.
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The thing that experience
teaches you,
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when you have
an experience like this,
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and your parent dies
when you're very young,
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is you just realise, well,
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if you've got something
to do with your life,
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you better get on and do it -
because who knows what happens?
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# Hey, everybody, take a look at me
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# I've got street credibility
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# I may not have a job
but I have a good time
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# With the boys that I meet
down on the line
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# I said, D-H-S-S
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# Man, the rhythm that
they're givin' is the very best
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# I said, B one, B two
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# Make the claims, on your name,
all you have to do... #
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It's 1982.
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Mrs Thatcher is in power...
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..and the Falklands War is raging.
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The Conservatives have captured
the mood of the '80s.
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Meanwhile, the Labour Party
is in the doldrums...
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We've had a very long day.
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INDISTINCT CHATTER
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OK, you get annoyed if you like,
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but I need a credential to get
to the conference.
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..and this is their leader.
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How have you found your day here
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at the Beaconsfield by-election?
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Well, I think it's been
a pretty good day.
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First of all, we've got
a wonderful candidate.
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Everybody agrees that Tony Blair
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is one of the very best possible
candidates there could be.
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Rather a large majority, isn't it,
against you, unfortunately? Well...
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After leaving Oxford,
Blair became a barrister.
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But now he has
political ambitions...
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..running to be a Labour MP
in a seat he can't win.
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Oh, that's good.
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Got a nice smile, ain't he?
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Anthony Charles Lynton -
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3,886.
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BOOING
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He's lost his deposit.
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
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As expected, Blair loses.
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When I first met Tony,
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we were co-pupils and rivals.
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We then became friends, and we were
vaguely flirting with each other.
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It was about 18 months
after his mother had died,
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and I think he was still very much
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coming to terms with that.
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The first thing we really
sort of talked about was religion.
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Both of us, in different ways,
had religious faith.
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Was he romantic in his courtship?
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Er... No, not very.
Tony's not very romantic.
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No. Really? Yes.
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He's never bought me flowers,
for example.
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And now he says,
"Well, if I bought you flowers,
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"you'd be very suspicious,"
which is probably true.
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SHE LAUGHS
So...
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Tony is desperate to become
a Labour MP,
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but first, he has to be chosen
as a candidate
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by a constituency Labour Party.
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He travels up and down the country,
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telling them all what
they don't want to hear,
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that the Labour Party
needs radical reform.
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He tries ten constituencies.
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All say no, and Tony is
on the brink of giving up.
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I've always been interested
in politics.
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I was interested in politics
when I was 14,
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and in class, I'd announced
that I was going to be
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the first female Prime Minister.
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Cherie does get selected
to fight a seat for Labour.
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So how did he cope with that?
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Er, badly.
SHE LAUGHS
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He felt that he had missed
his chance.
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I was going to go and fight
a hopeless seat,
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but at least I was fighting a seat.
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There was one seat left
in the country.
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With just four weeks to go
before the general election,
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Sedgefield in County Durham
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is the only seat not yet to have
selected its Labour candidate.
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I remember sitting
in my house in Hackney
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and Cherie saying to me,
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"I mean, you might as well go.
I mean, why not?
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"There's nothing you can lose."
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The members of the Sedgefield Labour
Party will have to be convinced.
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I was very nervous.
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But by then, you know,
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I'd got quite used to
the process of rejection.
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I'd been in many constituencies,
tried many different things.
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You know, usually
I'd get a long way,
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and the moment I showed my colours,
I would be out.
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John had said, "Oh, there's a guy
from London coming up.
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"He wants to be our next MP."
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"Yeah, champion,
but we're watching the football."
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COMMENTATOR ON TV: Of course,
there's a long, long way to go yet,
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but it is a night where
there will be a positive result
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because at the end of 90 minutes,
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if it's level, we have extra time.
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Well, of course, the trouble was
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this match went on forever.
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Extra time was played -
it was a draw -
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by which time, we were quite
happy and merry, you know?
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So, after that, we said,
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"Right, we're going to ask you
some questions."
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We gave him the best grilling
that we could.
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He spoke with an awfully posh voice.
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I mean, we'd always had
a miner's union MP
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and here we had
this public-school boy
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who went to Oxford
and was a barrister.
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But we knew that night.
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I said to them, the lads, I said,
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"You know, you can never say
somebody will be Prime Minister,
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"but you can say somebody is
Cabinet material."
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And I said, "He's Cabinet material."
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And Paul agreed. They all agreed.
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Well, I saw he was different.
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You know, I was young.
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I wanted someone younger
than your average Labour MP.
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I wanted someone
with a bit of go about them
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and there he was sitting
on the settee.
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So why not give the young lad a go?
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Wow!
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Tony jumped up and, er...
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..you know,
we had a couple more drinks.
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HE LAUGHS
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Blair successfully charms
the Sedgefield Labour Party,
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and becomes their MP.
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But nationally, Labour suffer
a devastating defeat.
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Still, by entering Parliament,
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Blair fulfils his father's dream.
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ARCHIVE: Westminster's best-known
watering places were opening up
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for some new customers this evening.
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At one of them, I met some of
the 150 new Commons faces.
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The image of the Labour Party's
got to be an image
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that's more dynamic, more modern,
more suited to the 1980s.
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I don't actually think
it's nearly so much
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a matter of right and left
as people make it out.
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What I do think is,
that it's a matter of style.
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The truth is, we live
in a different world now.
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We live in a world where
over 50% of the population
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in this country are owner-occupiers.
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We live in a population
where there are
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large numbers of people now employed
in the service industries
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rather than manufacturing
industries,
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and that means a change in attitude
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and a change of attitude that
we've got to catch up to.
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The party elects a new leader,
Neil Kinnock...
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OK. Thanks for coming in.
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..who spots the potential
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of the new backbench MP
for Sedgefield.
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I asked him if he would fulfil
this role on the Treasury team.
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He was ecstatically pleased
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and made no secret of it.
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"Do you really mean it?
Do you really mean it?"
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I don't think I'd ever encountered,
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before or afterwards,
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anyone who was so
manifestly delighted
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at what he saw as a promotion.
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Blair befriends Gordon Brown.
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They share a room
at the House of Commons.
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Tony Blair and Gordon Brown.
Didn't they do well?
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He did even better. He got 50,000
votes more, didn't you, than he got?
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But both of you did
extremely well indeed.
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They become a pair with
contrasting personalities.
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I want to see a wider membership,
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I want to see better attention
to the regional organisation,
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and I want to give more attention
to the policy-making process,
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so these are things that
we want to see happen.
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Did you have to...?
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He talked of a platform
once he stood,
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made it sound like a real election.
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Did you have to scheme, organise,
assemble votes for this?
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No, because it's done in
a fairly democratic way with...
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A fairly democratic way?
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I mean very democratic,
I'm just being unusually modest.
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Gordon made
a huge impression on Tony
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because he was a much more
experienced political creature.
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And I think Gordon
got used to the idea
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that Tony was there to support him
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by bouncing ideas off him,
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by discussing ideas,
helping him develop.
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But at the same time, the fact was
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that Tony was also
learning from Gordon
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and developing HIS ideas,
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and they weren't always
the same as Gordon's ideas.
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APPLAUSE
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By 1992, almost everyone
expects Labour to win
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the upcoming election of that year.
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Well, all right.
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Well, all right!
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I first met Tony Blair
in March 1992,
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just before the general election
of that year.
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I got a call from his office saying,
"Tony would like to meet you."
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It's the only time I think that
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a politician's
actually asked to see me.
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So, I booked a restaurant,
and we met.
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Of course, like everyone,
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I was overwhelmed by his charm.
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Blair was a radical,
transformative politician.
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There's no doubt about that.
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The Labour equivalent
of Margaret Thatcher
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in his determination
to pull the Labour Party
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into a completely different mode
of thinking.
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I said, "Well, anyway, looks like
you'll be in government
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"in a couple of months," because
that's what everyone thought,
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and he said, "Oh, no, no, no.
We're going to lose."
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Labour do in fact lose,
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and Tony now hopes that Gordon
will put his hat into the ring
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to be the new leader.
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But Gordon throws his support
behind his fellow Scot,
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John Smith.
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I therefore declare
that John Smith is elected
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the leader of the Labour Party.
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APPLAUSE
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And Tony's hopes that
he and Gordon will transform
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the party are derailed.
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That was a crucial moment for Blair.
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That was the moment when
the iron entered his soul.
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John Smith looks like
a Labour leader who can win power.
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He's a popular and skilled
political operator,
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but he has a heart condition.
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In April 1994,
Tony and his wife, Cherie,
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go for a weekend in Paris.
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And it's here that Blair wakes
suddenly with a premonition
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that John Smith is about to die.
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Well...
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..it was a rather
extraordinary thing.
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I actually did wake up
in the morning,
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and I remember,
I woke up and I thought,
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"You've got to prepare
yourself for this.
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"I think it's going to happen."
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I remember saying to Cherie,
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"I feel it's possible that this
heart condition could come back,
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"and I've got to think then about
what happens if it does."
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Erm, and...
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..whether...
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..whether it really is
the moment that I would go for
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the leadership if that did happen.
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And that was the first time
we'd really properly discussed it.
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You said to her,
"If John dies, I will be leader,
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"not Gordon, and somehow,
I think this will happen.
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"I just think it will."
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Yeah, I just,
I felt this strong premonition
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and I don't quite know,
who knows how these things come
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into your mind like that,
but it came into my mind
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with a degree of certainty
that both surprised me
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and made me think, OK...
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Who knows whether
it's right or wrong,
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but you're going to have
to think now
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and you're going to have
to think about the decision
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because you know in your own mind
you want to do it,
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and you're going to have
to think how you handle Gordon
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because it's going to be
a huge problem for you
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and your relationship, and I hadn't
really discussed it with him
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because I was thinking,
"Well, what's the point?"
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You know, it may never happen
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and therefore there's
no point in ending up...
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Because I knew it would be
a difficult conversation,
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because it had always been assumed
that he would be the leader.
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But I thought, "No, you've got
to prepare yourself for this
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"and for the conversation
that will come."
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Good evening.
The leader of the Labour Party,
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John Smith, died this morning
in hospital after suffering
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a massive heart attack
at his London home.
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It was a very extraordinary
situation at the funeral
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because you've got the absolute
grief of his family
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and then the grief of the party.
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And then, on the other hand,
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there was the inevitable
thoughts of,
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"Well, what's going to happen
to the party now?"
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It was an incredibly intense day.
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Everybody was thinking about
the succession.
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Everybody's looking around,
thinking,
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"Is he going to run for it?"
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"Who's going to support him?"
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"Is it going to be Gordon
or is it going to be Tony?"
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SINGING
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I was determined that he wasn't
going to let his decency,
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thinking that
he should defer to Gordon,
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get in the way of what
I thought was best for him
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and best for the country.
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I said to him,
"You've got to go for it.
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"It's got to be you."
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When I met Tony,
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I said of course we'd have to think
about this very carefully
422
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and work out which of them
would gather the most support.
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You know, who would be the best
modernisers candidate?
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He just looked at me.
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He said,
"Peter, I'm going to do this."
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I said, "Well, yes, yes, yes,
but we'll consider how..."
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You know? "No," he said.
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"I'm going to do this."
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It really was as if
his time had come.
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He had a sense of destiny.
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Blair and Brown engage
in a series of fraught negotiations
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over which one of them
will run for leader.
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They were such close,
good, intimate friends.
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It was like a married couple
deciding whose career
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should come first.
436
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I mean,
Gordon would have been thinking,
437
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"I've been betrayed by
my best friend.
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"I was always going to be
the leader.
439
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,280
"I thought that was the deal."
440
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,080
I'm only talking about the
European elections. Is that OK?
441
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Can I just put one question to you
about the leadership?
442
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,720
Not at all. We're talking about
the European elections today. OK.
443
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What are you planning
to do today, sir? Thanks.
444
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Tony was feeling absolutely
100% determined
445
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"I'm going to persuade him.
446
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,400
"I'm going to persuade him.
I'm going to persuade him."
447
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,680
As they try to thrash out a deal,
448
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:51,120
they have at least ten secret
meetings that culminate in a dinner
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at a north London
restaurant called Granita.
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What's your understanding
of his agreement with Gordon?
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Well, first of all,
there was never an agreement
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and there were a number of meetings,
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some of them were in
my sister's house, and, really,
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the deed was done before
they had that meal in...
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..the Granola or whatever
it was called. Granita. Granita.
456
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Yes. Granita, that's right.
457
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It became a thing of legend
that it was all sorted out there,
458
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,320
but it was much more drawn out
than that.
459
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,640
But what was it, in essence?
460
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That Gordon would stand down
for Tony,
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00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,680
but Gordon would be Chancellor,
462
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and he would have control
over the economic policy.
463
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And that, at some point,
when Tony stood down,
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he would support Gordon
to be his successor.
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00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,560
The details of what was agreed
are contested to this day.
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Many in Brown's camp claim
Blair set a limit on the time
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he would serve as leader.
468
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,840
But there was never, to my mind...
469
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,280
In fact, I said to him
before he went...
470
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.."Don't promise to set
any kind of date."
471
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,680
But Tony,
being a very charming person,
472
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I think can often make people think
they hear what they want to hear.
473
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So, I think that Gordon may well
have spoken of a time limit
474
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and Tony may not have strongly
disabused him of that.
475
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Did any part of you feel
a little bit sorry for Gordon?
476
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No.
477
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,320
It's...
478
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In politics, there comes a point...
479
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..when you have to make a choice.
480
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,440
I don't love having a confrontation,
481
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,480
it's not my natural way,
482
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,320
contrary to, I think,
sometimes the image of sort of,
483
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,760
you know,
he's messianic and all of that.
484
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,320
No, I'm not like that.
485
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,840
If I can avoid having a big fight
and row, I'll happily avoid it,
486
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,680
but I always know there comes
a point when,
487
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,520
you know, if it's something that
really, really matters,
488
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you're going to have to...
489
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You've got to confront it.
490
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If I thought
he was going to do the things
491
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I thought were necessary
for the Labour Party,
492
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,440
I really would have been happy
to have been number two.
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00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,760
But I think he found that
incredibly difficult,
494
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,720
for understandable reasons,
495
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,080
and we resolved it in the end.
496
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,720
But when something like
that happens,
497
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,440
it changes the nature
of the relationship and,
498
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,560
you know, to be honest,
you never fully resolve it, so...
499
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,440
It had to be done.
500
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,720
This morning,
I am announcing my candidature
501
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,720
for the position of leader
of the Labour Party.
502
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,840
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
503
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,560
Well, Tony was always a smoothie.
504
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,520
His weakness was
the lack of deep thinking,
505
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,080
knowledge of history.
506
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,480
And I think he wants
to be a big thinker,
507
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,520
but that's not what he is.
508
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,320
I mean, maybe we're all the same,
you know,
509
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,080
whatever our strength is,
we want the other strength.
510
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,480
His strength was certainly
the personal charm
511
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:40,880
and the communications.
512
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,800
I don't think he's a great leader.
513
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,280
Mr Blair, good morning.
Good morning.
514
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,680
The other two contenders
for the leadership are prepared
515
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,360
to serve as deputy. Why aren't you?
516
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,360
Because I don't wish to be deputy.
Why not?
517
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,240
You're the youngest of the three
with the least experience.
518
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,320
Because I don't desire
to be deputy leader.
519
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,360
It's a very, very good post.
520
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,960
I think that both of my colleagues
would make excellent deputy leaders,
521
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,360
but it's not a post
I desire for myself.
522
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,160
Have you really thought through
the effect of the job
523
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,160
you're about to take on,
assuming you get it,
524
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,200
upon yourself and your family?
525
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,000
I've reflected upon it
a great deal.
526
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,880
And you've decided that
the effect is worth living with,
527
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,200
assuming that you can become
Prime Minister?
528
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:27,800
Yes, I have.
529
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,120
It is not an easy decision,
530
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,000
and I am well aware of
what is about to fall upon me.
531
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,000
He was steely, clear,
532
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,560
he had real energy and restlessness,
533
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,800
that was, you, know,
politically exciting.
534
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,480
I do remember asking him whether
535
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,120
he thought he was really
tough enough
536
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,240
for what was coming.
537
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:52,840
Do you think
you're tough enough to cope
538
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,000
with the sort of media
onslaught that Neil Kinnock,
539
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,560
for example, had to endure?
540
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,200
I think it comes with the territory,
541
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,920
and I'm entirely prepared for it
and, indeed, expect it.
542
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,120
APPLAUSE
543
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,760
Blair wins and now
he's leader of the Labour Party.
544
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,920
CHEERS AND APPLAUSE
545
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,080
The blueprint for New Labour,
546
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,040
he had it in his head
right from the start.
547
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,320
The idea that he was just
some sort of, you know,
548
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,600
line of least resistance,
pretty, front guy
549
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,360
could not be further from the truth.
550
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,400
He assembles a formidable team
of political operators
551
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,040
and spin doctors.
552
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:39,160
They were this curious combination
of Tony being Mr Good Guy
553
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:44,120
and then around him, you had these
absolutely ruthless bastards.
554
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,800
Sorry... Richard, if you want
anything, tomorrow, any other day,
555
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,360
get out. Get out.
556
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,680
I was being quite robust.
557
00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:56,040
And I remember Tony looking, ooh...
558
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,480
And I think part of him thinking,
"Am I going over the top?"
559
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,720
But part of him thinking,
560
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,600
"That's what we need to do
from time to time."
561
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,200
Tony was quite smart in leaving
the brutality to others.
562
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,760
Together, they set about
rebranding the party.
563
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,320
Tony Blair.
564
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:19,640
APPLAUSE
565
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,680
And in the face
of staunch resistance,
566
00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:24,960
they rip up decades
of Labour Party convention.
567
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,120
The historic goal
of another Labour government.
568
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,040
Our party, New Labour.
569
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,720
Our mission, new Britain.
570
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,640
New Labour, new Britain.
571
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,280
APPLAUSE
572
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,480
Blair was the revolution -
in his own person.
573
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,680
It was like he was laying
the party at his father's feet.
574
00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:47,840
He'd changed it so much that
his father would now vote for it.
575
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:20,680
It's July 1995, and Blair's
just flown 10,000 miles
576
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:24,520
to a tropical island in Australia
to meet the most powerful man
577
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,080
in the British media,
Rupert Murdoch.
578
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,720
We knew there would be
terrible controversy.
579
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,520
We were accused of supping
with the devil.
580
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,800
Take a long spoon with you -
581
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,320
that was the sort of general gist
from our colleagues.
582
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,280
..from ABC television.
How're you going? Nice to see you.
583
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,200
You've come halfway around
the world to talk to Rupert Murdoch
584
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:51,760
and his men, why is that?
585
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,280
You're impersonating Dame Edna,
aren't you?
586
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:55,520
THEY LAUGH
587
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,640
Do you expect Mr Rupert Murdoch's
papers to support you
588
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,280
in the upcoming election?
589
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,880
No, I mean, I've made it clear
right from the very start,
590
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,040
I'm not here to trade policy
for editorial support.
591
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,240
What Mr Murdoch's papers do
is up to him,
592
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,280
what the Labour Party does
is up to us.
593
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,240
Great. Thank you. OK?
Thank you very much.
594
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,320
Thank you very much. Thanks.
Thank you. Nice to meet you.
595
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:15,760
See you. Bye-bye.
596
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:24,200
Quite a lot of people,
Jeremy Corbyn, in the Labour Party,
597
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:27,200
I mean, people like Roy Hattersley,
would say this is the move
598
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:29,200
of a shrewd political operator.
599
00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:32,520
I think this smacks too much
to me of an endorsement,
600
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,880
and almost a craven endorsement,
of the Murdoch empire.
601
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,160
I think it's a great mistake.
602
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,400
My point was that he was
therefore accepting
603
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,240
the way in which Murdoch
ran his papers.
604
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:50,480
There was no sense of standing up to
what Murdoch was doing to our media.
605
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:56,760
Blair had this ability
to separate himself
606
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:01,040
from the political,
philosophical debate
607
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:05,800
around an issue and go into it
in a totally transactional way.
608
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,320
Tony Blair said to me,
609
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,480
how we treat Rupert Murdoch
610
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,400
in power will depend on
how he treats Labour
611
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,440
in the run up to the election.
612
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,640
It's pretty simple,
you know, you scratch my back,
613
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,280
I'll scratch yours.
614
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:27,760
That's what it came down to.
615
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,920
Having charmed the media mogul,
616
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,040
Blair seems equally at ease
617
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,640
getting gushing endorsements
from rockstars.
618
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,040
There are seven people
in this room tonight
619
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,000
who are giving a little bit of hope
620
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,920
to young people in this country.
621
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,120
That is me, our kid,
622
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,880
Bonehead, Guigsy,
623
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,800
Alan White, Alan McGee,
624
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,240
and Tony Blair.
625
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:56,840
And if you've all
got anything about you,
626
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,240
you get up there and you shake
Tony Blair's hand, man.
627
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:00,520
He's the man.
628
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:01,920
Power to the people!
629
00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:04,840
I like you, Tony,
630
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,760
and I like you
for a very specific reason,
631
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,920
which is that you seem to me
to be like a real person.
632
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,200
But if it's not an overly
pretentious question,
633
00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:14,560
I mean, are you
as real as you appear?
634
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,560
Because it seems to me
that people worry,
635
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,320
they see you surrounded by what
they call spin doctors,
636
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,880
and they think that perhaps this
realness is kind of manufactured.
637
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,360
What do you think?
638
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,440
Well, you can't manufacture
the realness in the end.
639
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,520
I mean, people have got to make
a judgment on it.
640
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,360
But we run a professional show
in the Labour Party today.
641
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,880
Yeah. We do things in a professional
way, but it doesn't mean to say
642
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,520
you're not real or you can't be
a human being at the same time.
643
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,040
Dad... Dad!
644
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,800
Dad! Dad!
645
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,400
If you don't make the time
for your family,
646
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,480
then I think your politics actually
becomes much less effective
647
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,440
because they keep your feet
on the ground,
648
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,880
they may drive you mad,
but they keep you sane.
649
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,560
The first time I went
to see Tony Blair at his home,
650
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,000
it was almost like arriving
on a film set.
651
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,400
You felt that everybody,
whether it was Cherie Blair
652
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,640
and the children and the coffee
maker and all the rest of it,
653
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,080
you felt you were seeing
a brilliantly orchestrated
654
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,720
performance of what they thought
that a new Labour leader,
655
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,280
how he ought to live and what
his children ought to look like
656
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,400
and what his wife ought
to look like.
657
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,800
PIANO PLAYS
658
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:39,680
Tony and the family,
they did a brilliant imposture
659
00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:41,320
of being normal human beings.
660
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,440
Now, actually anybody
who is on his way to becoming
661
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,600
Prime Minister is not
a normal human being,
662
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,480
but they played
the game brilliantly.
663
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,360
You have obviously also had
to think through the possibility
664
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,360
of being in Number Ten Downing
Street, both of you.
665
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,640
You take it stage by stage,
actually.
666
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,120
I'm a great believer
in the old Mrs Beeton recipe
667
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,520
for rabbit stew -
first, catch your rabbit.
668
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,080
THEY CHUCKLE
669
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,960
Cherie, do you have sort
of daunting feelings about it?
670
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,400
I've never even been near
Downing Street, so I've got no idea.
671
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,080
I've never even
stood outside the door.
672
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:17,040
Well, it's got to cross your mind
that it might end that way.
673
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,400
Well, I'm sure that there will
be space somewhere
674
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,640
for the children and me.
675
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,440
The thing you have
to understand about Cherie
676
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,920
is that she had strong
political views,
677
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,080
a strong sense of ambition.
678
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,560
If not, Tony,
it could have been Cherie.
679
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,200
It was Cherie who was sort of,
in a sense,
680
00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:39,800
the Labour Party animal,
the person, you know,
681
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,200
who wanted to run as a candidate
682
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:45,840
and to join the leadership
of the Labour Party.
683
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,960
And she took a very profound,
684
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,960
and it must have been quite
a difficult personal decision,
685
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,360
in a sense, to step back
and to be his support.
686
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,640
There was about
a six-month period, no more... Yeah.
687
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,960
..when I was the candidate and
Tony was still looking for a seat,
688
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,720
and so he had to trail behind me.
TONY CHUCKLES
689
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,440
Probably didn't do
any harm, did it? No...
690
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,680
Probably didn't do any harm
but I certainly at the time felt
691
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:10,440
it didn't do me any good!
THEY LAUGH
692
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:16,800
The marriage was so strong,
not smooth,
693
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:21,040
not easy, lots of gyrations,
694
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,320
lots of, sort of,
shouting in the background,
695
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,640
but, my word, it was the rock.
696
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,640
That marriage was the rock on which
Tony's political career was made.
697
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,880
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
698
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,560
There was an idea that
I would write one of those sort of
699
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,720
campaign diaries or
the story of an election campaign,
700
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,360
and Tony Blair was keen
701
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,560
that I did it and I really got
an astonishing first-hand insight
702
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,240
into that whole election.
703
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,080
And really witnessed a politician
at the top of their game.
704
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:12,120
BABY GRIZZLES
705
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,360
He loved campaigning.
706
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,520
I can change a note. There you go.
707
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,720
On the battle bus, he'd go and sit
at the front next to the driver,
708
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,080
so that he could see
cars coming towards him
709
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:27,320
or people on the street.
710
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,120
He sought a connection.
711
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:31,920
Hello, Northampton.
712
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,520
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
713
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,760
I think that he just grew in
confidence as the campaign went on.
714
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,720
And the crowds became much bigger
and the enthusiasm
715
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,720
for him was much greater.
716
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:52,040
And it was like watching a flower
blossom in the sunlight.
717
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,920
Can we have a kiss again?
Will you give him a kiss, again?
718
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,120
I'm coming back to Basildon.
Definitely, definitely.
719
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,400
It was very interesting to me
during the '97 election
720
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,640
that he wore a lot of make-up.
721
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:11,080
There were not one, but two make-up
people travelling with him,
722
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:12,920
and he liked that.
723
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,920
It was like he was putting on
the war paint every day
724
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,320
before he went out.
725
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,400
I got the impression,
talking to people who knew him,
726
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,280
like his old housemaster at school,
727
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,320
that he was quite
a difficult, rebellious,
728
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,600
long-haired, tricky boy
to have in the house.
729
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,400
And that this all changed
when the house put on
730
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,680
a production of Julius Caesar,
and he played Mark Antony.
731
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:54,480
And he said to me,
"I saw him visibly swell
732
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,720
"when he went onstage
for the first time,
733
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,920
"as if he had found his calling."
734
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,000
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
735
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,360
It's a clue to Tony's character
736
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,480
that he saw being a party leader
737
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,600
as a 24-hour a day performance.
738
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,680
He always needed to perform.
739
00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:23,960
Please welcome
the Leader of the Opposition,
740
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,640
the right honourable Tony Blair.
741
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,200
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
742
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:36,000
It was on television, really,
743
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,040
that politicians meet
their electorate,
744
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:43,720
and he has this ability
to separate his inner self
745
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,680
from the public persona.
746
00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:48,520
Sitting on that couch last week
were the Spice Girls.
747
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:49,960
CHUCKLING
748
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,760
Right. Right.
749
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,480
Mrs Thatcher, they thought,
was the first Spice Girl.
750
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,760
They did! They said that,
didn't they, Tony?
751
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,840
Well, I've actually,
I did meet the Spice Girls.
752
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,000
They had sort of bare midriffs,
short skirts... Mm-hm.
753
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,880
..sort of earrings through
various parts. Pins and things.
754
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,400
Pins and things and tattoos.
755
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,640
I can't really see
Margaret Thatcher like that.
756
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,000
LAUGHTER
757
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,480
You did go on Chris Evans' show,
apparently, and said that Bowie -
758
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,360
this is David Bowie -
his wife, Iman, was your dream girl.
759
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,320
Did you actually say that?
760
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,360
I did. Well, he asked me
the question,
761
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,080
and I broke the first rule
of politics
762
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:28,600
and lapsed into total honesty.
763
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,920
There's nothing wrong
with that in politics!
764
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,880
We don't get enough, do we?
APPLAUSE
765
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,200
Tony Blair!
766
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:38,200
Well done. Tony Blair!
767
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,440
On the 1st of May 1997,
768
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,280
after 18 years of Tory rule,
769
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,400
Britain goes to the polls.
770
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,480
My parents were very superstitious.
771
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,280
We could not say,
"Dad's going to win the election"
772
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:00,480
because it might not happen.
773
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,760
And I was only nine, so I didn't
know what an election meant,
774
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,880
I didn't know what him being
Prime Minister meant
775
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,080
and so, I did not know...
And we hadn't packed anything.
776
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,600
BUSY CHATTER
CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING
777
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,240
REPORTERS SHOUTING QUESTIONS
Mr Blair, look this way, please.
778
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,240
Tony, this way, please. Thank you.
779
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,360
It was exciting
and a little bit scary.
780
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,120
Press are not very child-friendly.
781
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,160
This way. Everybody this way.
All right?
782
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:28,960
OVERLAPPING QUESTIONS
783
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,480
This way, please. That's it.
784
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,120
There were just so many press there,
100 cameras in your face,
785
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,960
shouting your name, wanting you
to look at them and, smile,
786
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,440
smile, do this, and you're just
like, what is going on?
787
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,520
I remember it being very terrifying.
788
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,520
And I was just holding my dad's
hand thinking, "What are we doing?
789
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,560
"Why are all these people here?!"
790
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,040
REPORTERS SHOUTING
791
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:49,840
Mr Blair, this way, please.
792
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,440
To the middle.
This way, please. Thank you.
793
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,440
This way, Mrs Blair.
794
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,400
BELL STRIKES THE HOUR
There it is. Ten o'clock and we say,
795
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,240
Tony Blair is to be Prime Minister
796
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,960
and a landslide is likely.
797
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:13,600
CHEERING
798
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,240
On election night, I arrived at his
house and the first thing I noticed,
799
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,280
of course, was there were now
men with machineguns
800
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:27,800
standing around in the garden.
801
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,440
He was about to become
Prime Minister, clearly.
802
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,440
OVERLAPPING SPEECH
803
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,760
Anthony Charles Linton Blair,
804
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,040
the Labour Party candidate,
33,000...
805
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:41,920
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
806
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:53,600
At the count,
807
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,640
I was a few miles from where
I'd been brought up.
808
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,360
My dad was there.
809
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,480
My mum wasn't.
810
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,480
My dad had really...
811
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,640
All his ambitions
in the end had failed
812
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,760
because of his illness,
but here was his son,
813
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,480
about to become the
British Prime Minister
814
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,400
and he was so proud and happy,
815
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:20,200
and I was happy for him and,
yeah, it was...
816
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,040
And I also... I missed my mum.
817
00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:35,480
So, off goes Tony Blair.
818
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:39,480
The engines of his jet will
soon be starting,
819
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,880
the door will close,
820
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,760
and he will be down amongst
even more admirers.
821
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,840
Got my notes, sir? Got the notes.
822
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,760
OK, Tom? Could get used to this.
823
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:51,800
TONY CHUCKLES
824
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:58,280
We went on the plane,
and everyone was very excited,
825
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,840
and Alastair was constantly saying,
you know,
826
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,680
"We've just won this",
and "we've just won that".
827
00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:07,120
And Tony was just very still
and very quiet
828
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:08,640
and we were sat up at the front.
829
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:12,800
And I was just holding his hand.
830
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,040
And, you know, he did say...
831
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:19,400
"What have we done?"
832
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,000
And I think it was more about...
833
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:28,080
..the weight of it.
834
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,040
There's Tony Blair smiling
again, greeting,
835
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,160
shaking hands with party workers
they all want to shake his hand.
836
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:48,880
He'll take one or two of them...
837
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,440
Everyone was sort of cheering
and shouting.
838
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:57,880
You know, people were saying to me,
839
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,040
well, it's all fantastic,
840
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,520
and I was just sitting
there thinking,
841
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,920
"Yeah, well, we're now
going to be running the country,"
842
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,080
so, you know, no more words.
843
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,400
They're not going to do it any more.
844
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:09,800
What about fear?
845
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,160
Yeah, some fear,
yeah, some fear, I think.
846
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,240
Because are you going to be
up to it? Can you, do it?
847
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:17,800
What's going to happen?
848
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,640
Did you enjoy it a bit,
those first 24 hours?
849
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,840
You know,
if I'm really honest about it,
850
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,040
I'm not sure
I did enjoy it that much,
851
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,720
just because I was
just thinking, you know,
852
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:35,080
"Here you are - you're in your
early 40s, you're Prime Minister."
853
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,680
And rather than thinking,
"You're Prime Minister, wow!",
854
00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:40,120
I was like,
"You're Prime Minister, so...
855
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:46,360
"..you better do a good job
because now what happens
856
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,600
"to this country and its people
depends on you."
857
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,400
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
858
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,800
MUSIC: Movin' On Up
by Primal Scream
859
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,800
# I was blind
860
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,560
# Now I can see
861
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,280
# You made a believer
862
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,360
# Out of me... #
863
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,160
I remember being stunned at
the amount of people there were,
864
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,400
there were all these flags
everywhere.
865
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,000
Everyone seemed really happy.
866
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,800
# I'm movin' on up now... #
867
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,720
Even as a 13-year-old,
and right in the middle of it,
868
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,280
there was a genuine sense
of excitement.
869
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,000
It was kind of nice to think,
870
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:39,960
"Wow, people really like Dad."
871
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,960
Of course, then. As it developed
and you'd read the papers
872
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,680
and everything else, you'd realise
that not everyone liked him.
873
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:50,880
# I was lost
874
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,440
# Now I'm found
875
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,800
# I believe in you
876
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,560
# I've got no bounds... #
877
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,960
Blair comes to power
with uncharted levels of popularity.
878
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,200
He pushes through a blizzard
of bold new policies
879
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:08,680
that change the way Britain works.
880
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:10,560
This is a government in a hurry.
881
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,880
The Bank of England
is to be made independent.
882
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,880
Scotland and Wales are
to have their own parliaments.
883
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,480
For the first time,
there'll be a minimum wage.
884
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,120
Oh, yes!
885
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:26,480
And to improve education,
class sizes will be reduced.
886
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,840
One of the things
I think he was drawn to,
887
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:31,360
as it were, almost irresistibly,
888
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:37,000
was his belief to solve problems
which had defeated everybody else.
889
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,720
He was drawn to making
Labour electable by inventing
890
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,000
New Labour and then delivering it.
891
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,280
And I think he was drawn
to Northern Ireland,
892
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,960
it had defeated everyone else -
he could do it.
893
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,400
Northern Ireland's Catholic
and Protestant communities
894
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,880
have been deeply divided
for decades and are caught in
895
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,840
a seemingly never-ending cycle
of sectarian violence.
896
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,560
Tony came back from Chequers,
897
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,560
and he came in Monday morning,
sort of, you know,
898
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,440
all bouncy and what have you,
and he said,
899
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,280
"I've worked out how to do
Northern Ireland.
900
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,720
"I've worked it out."
"Oh, OK. You've worked it out?
901
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,200
"How have you done that?"
902
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:35,480
And he did become
pretty obsessed with it.
903
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,680
Blair sets the goal of getting
a peace agreement within a year.
904
00:54:43,720 --> 00:54:47,360
The stakes were enormous
on Northern Ireland,
905
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,560
and I was alarmed that
he would be out of his depth.
906
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,440
And I said to him,
907
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,800
"Prime Minister, I've got to say
to you, I am worried.
908
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,760
"You are going to be moving in
with people who have huge,
909
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:04,880
"sensitive issues,
a lot of history, a lot of anger.
910
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,560
"Are you going to be ready for it?"
911
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,600
And he said, "Look, Richard,
912
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,800
"I don't need to know about
the history.
913
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,080
"I'm better off
if I don't know the history.
914
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:15,400
"I'm going to focus on the people.
915
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,280
"You watch, it'll work."
916
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,480
SHOUTING
917
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,560
He takes the highly controversial
step of inviting
918
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,160
the Irish Republican leaders
of Sinn Fein to Downing Street.
919
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,520
Tony invested a huge amount of time
in meeting Gerry Adams
920
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,840
and Martin McGuinness,
and Ian Paisley
921
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,560
and other Northern Irish
politicians.
922
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,720
And we'd bring them into
Downing Street and,
923
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,880
particularly when we had the DUP,
Ian Paisley's party, involved,
924
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,160
they would not meet Sinn Fein.
925
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,280
They would not be in the same
building as Sinn Fein.
926
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,880
But when I was with Paisley
in the Cabinet Office,
927
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,280
I noticed looking out of the window,
to my horror,
928
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,480
that Adams and McGuinness
had escaped from Number Ten
929
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:53,640
and into the Rose Garden
930
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,880
and were playing with the Blair
children with their skateboard.
931
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,200
They go out for a break, right,
932
00:55:58,240 --> 00:55:59,880
from these very intense sessions,
933
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:03,080
and they see me and my brother
skateboarding in the garden.
934
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,600
And we sort of said to them,
"Hey, do you want to try?"
935
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:07,160
Cos they were sort of watching us.
936
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,160
And so you're in the
farcical situation of kind of
937
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,080
trying to teach Gerry Adams
and Martin McGuinness
938
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,920
how to skateboard against
the backdrop of something
939
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,600
incredibly serious and solemn
and historic.
940
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:21,120
And I remember telling
Dad afterwards, and he was just...
941
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,200
"Thank God
they didn't injure themselves."
942
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:28,680
CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS
943
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:31,560
It's 7th April 1998.
944
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,360
Blair arrives in Belfast
945
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,080
with most of the key players around
the negotiating table.
946
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,000
But the talks are on
the brink of collapse
947
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:43,360
and there's a deadline looming
just days away.
948
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:44,520
Morning.
949
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,920
We're here to do a job, work,
and we've got to get it done.
950
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,280
And we've got complete
determination to do it.
951
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,760
We were in this awful building,
952
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,080
and he could get
incredibly frustrated.
953
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,080
He was saying, like, you know,
"If this...
954
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,800
"If we could just sort this out
without all the other people,
955
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,880
"we could do it right now, right?
956
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:04,600
"But we're having to deal
with all this
957
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,000
"fucking this and fucking that."
958
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:07,880
He's not a table slammer,
959
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,880
but I saw him at one point
slamming the table
960
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,280
and he just went,
"Fuck, fuck, fuck," like that.
961
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,080
Tony Blair was
one of the most successful
962
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,400
and most skilful negotiators
I ever came across.
963
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,360
He can play with
a whole range of emotions,
964
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,080
but he's always in control.
965
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,000
And I do remember one negotiation
we had, and he said to me,
966
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,200
"Never lose your temper
except on purpose."
967
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,840
And it came home to me quite
how he managed negotiations.
968
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,360
The problem is,
now you're into this day,
969
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,640
is not that you can't reach it,
970
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:41,280
it's just making sure that you drive
the thing forward
971
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:42,880
as quickly as possible.
972
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,080
Machiavelli talks about
needing the skill of the fox,
973
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:47,800
but also the courage of the lion,
974
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:51,000
and Tony had both - he had
the ability on issues of principle
975
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,440
to be really brave, really firm,
976
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,560
but he also had a very sinuous way
977
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:58,120
to charm people into things.
978
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,440
Roy Jenkins said that Tony Blair had
a second-class intellect,
979
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,280
but a first-class temperament,
980
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,240
and actually there's something
in that that's really a compliment,
981
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,320
which is that he had
the most remarkable EQ.
982
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,840
His ability to understand people,
to relate to people,
983
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,680
to empathise was his superpower.
984
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,040
Well, ladies and gentlemen,
you will have heard that
985
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,680
the Senator Mitchell's announcement
has been made that
986
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:22,960
an agreement has been reached.
987
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,480
Mrs Thatcher didn't believe
Northern Ireland could be solved.
988
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,320
John Major believed Northern Ireland
could be solved,
989
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:29,800
but he couldn't do it.
990
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:31,000
Tony Blair believed both -
991
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:32,560
that it could be done,
and he could do it,
992
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,320
and he really drove it through.
993
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:39,040
Today, we have just a sense
of the prize that is before us.
994
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,840
He believed it was kind
of his destiny to fulfil this.
995
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,280
Somewhere written
in the stars was for him
996
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,440
to achieve this great thing
for the country.
997
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,120
The work to win that prize goes on.
998
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:56,200
We cannot, we must not let it slip
from our grasp. Thank you.
999
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,560
But Mo Mowlam said
to me that, "Tony succeeded
1000
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:01,320
"because he thought he was
fucking Jesus."
1001
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,840
Less than two years into
Blair's time as Prime Minister,
1002
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,080
a war is escalating
on the edge of Europe.
1003
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,360
You're not looking bad
for a man who doesn't sleep.
1004
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,240
Yes, God almighty.
1005
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:27,880
It's hell the last few days...
1006
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,200
CHATTER CONTINUES
1007
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:30,240
Right.
1008
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:35,200
Serbian forces led by
Slobodan Milosevic have driven
1009
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,200
800,000 people from their homes
in Kosovo.
1010
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,040
Ethnic cleansing is taking place.
1011
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,880
Blair is under pressure to act.
1012
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:50,360
I went in to see Tony and I said
it looks like war in Kosovo
1013
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,680
because the diplomatic process
has completely failed,
1014
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:57,200
and we've got
this commitment to intervene.
1015
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,200
And I was surprised at how
calmly he took it.
1016
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,120
Because I could see
this was going to be
1017
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,520
the dominant issue over
the next few months.
1018
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,240
When a Prime Minister sends
his forces into military action,
1019
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,560
nothing else competes with it
for attention.
1020
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,480
It was obvious to me
that what was happening
1021
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,960
in Kosovo was effectively
ethnic cleansing.
1022
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,200
You know, there was murder,
there was rape,
1023
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,400
there was a displacement
of the civilian population,
1024
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:26,120
and I felt this was happening
right on the doorstep of Europe.
1025
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,040
We should act and we can act,
1026
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:31,800
and therefore we're going to.
1027
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,360
On the 24th of March 1999,
1028
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:41,760
Blair takes a leading role
as NATO planes are scrambled
1029
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,600
to bomb targets in Serbia.
1030
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,360
You are fighting a just war
and a just cause,
1031
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,680
and I believe we are fighting
for the values of civilisation here.
1032
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:08,440
Blair becomes convinced
that the only way
1033
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,800
to beat Milosevic is
to threaten boots on the ground.
1034
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,560
But other world leaders
are set against it,
1035
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,600
and Blair is isolated.
1036
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:22,200
This was the one situation
I remember Tony saying,
1037
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,320
"If this is the last thing I do
as Prime Minister,
1038
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,760
"if I'm hounded out
as a result of this,
1039
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:28,920
"if it somehow goes belly up,
1040
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:30,400
"so be it - I'm going for it."
1041
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,360
Blair starts a campaign to persuade
1042
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:38,400
a reluctant US President
Bill Clinton to back his plans.
1043
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:46,720
First of all, it was
the only real policy disagreement
1044
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:50,640
I think we had of any magnitude
the whole time we worked together.
1045
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,400
I argued that we would have
fewer casualties.
1046
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:56,640
And that...
1047
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,520
..we might be able to win
with air power.
1048
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,240
I said, "I think we are
morally obliged to win
1049
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:07,320
"and to win it by killing
the fewest number of people."
1050
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:13,640
The New York Times splashed
a headline saying
1051
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,640
that Tony Blair was trying
to toughen up Clinton
1052
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:18,600
and make him agree to ground troops.
1053
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,120
And Clinton went absolutely ape.
1054
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:23,840
He called Tony from Air Force One.
1055
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,080
And I remember being on the call,
and he was so angry.
1056
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:29,360
He really lost it.
1057
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:30,800
He really shouted and yelled.
1058
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,000
"I know what you're doing!
You're trying to make me look weak
1059
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:34,600
"and you're trying
to make yourself look strong."
1060
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:36,840
And Tony was saying, "No, no, no.
Honestly, that wasn't us.
1061
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,280
"We didn't do that. It's not in
our interest to do that."
1062
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,760
I believe there was
a phone call between the two of you
1063
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:44,160
and it got a little bit heated.
1064
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:45,320
It did.
1065
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,640
I was mad because his guys were
trying to make him look good
1066
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:50,640
in the New York Times at my expense
1067
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:54,480
when we should have been united
in fighting this war.
1068
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,800
I was always
totally honest with him.
1069
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,960
I didn't ever pull any punches.
1070
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:04,120
How did the Prime Minister bring
the President down from that anger?
1071
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:05,760
The method was to stay calm,
1072
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,240
not to sort of panic
as people sometimes do
1073
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:08,600
when you face anger like that,
1074
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,600
but to calmly say,
"No, it honestly wasn't us,
1075
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,720
"we don't want to do that, it's
not in our interest to do that."
1076
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,920
And gradually talked him down
till they were able to end the call.
1077
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:17,800
He could always, as we say at home,
1078
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,760
he could always
talk an owl out of a tree.
1079
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:22,000
Ha.
1080
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:25,560
Under pressure from Blair,
1081
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:29,280
Clinton softens his stance
on ground troops,
1082
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:34,000
and in the face of a united front,
Milosevic backs down.
1083
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:38,800
The logic of the campaign
came through to Tony
1084
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,040
much quicker than it did
to other leaders,
1085
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:43,240
and I don't think
we would have got anything like
1086
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:46,160
the outcome had it not been
for that personal commitment
1087
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:47,360
that he made.
1088
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,480
Blair's standing up
to Milosevic helped end
1089
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,480
the conflict in Kosovo,
1090
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:57,600
saving thousands of lives.
1091
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:06,200
CHANTING: Tony, Tony, Tony...
1092
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:22,840
Whenever something in politics
looks at its zenith,
1093
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:26,600
the termites are at work
on the base.
1094
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:30,600
That is a sort of, cyclical,
almost natural rule of politics.
1095
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,520
And people that I've spoken to
who know him very well,
1096
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:35,440
they all point to Kosovo.
1097
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,760
At that point, for the first time,
1098
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:42,320
maybe a slight parting from reality
began to take place.
1099
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:48,560
CHANTING: Tony, Tony, Tony...
1100
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:52,720
The moment that he appeared
rather like, you know,
1101
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,000
Christ walking through the Holy Land
1102
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:59,280
with people hailing him
as if he had worked a miracle,
1103
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,680
a friend of mine,
a friend of Tony's,
1104
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,160
said to me
he thought he could walk on water.
1105
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:11,040
And in that triumph,
the seeds of tragedy were sown.
1106
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,280
WHISTLING
1107
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,600
This is not a battle for NATO.
CHANTING CONTINUES
1108
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,600
This is not a battle for territory.
1109
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:28,480
This is a battle for humanity.
1110
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:30,280
It is a just cause.
1111
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,120
It is a rightful cause.
1112
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:36,240
And we will make sure that
these people here are returned
1113
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:37,320
to their homes.
1114
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:40,440
That is our commitment to them -
practical help,
1115
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,120
practical commitment.
1116
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:43,720
And, above all else,
1117
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,840
a determination that
all this suffering
1118
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:48,600
and all this misery
1119
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:51,840
and everything that has been
created by the brutality
1120
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:55,680
of Milosevic shall not last,
but shall be reversed,
1121
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:59,880
shall be defeated
so these people can once again
1122
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:02,880
become symbols of hope,
humanity and peace.
1123
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:04,600
Thank you.
1124
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,320
APPLAUSE
1125
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,560
He was at his best.
1126
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,280
He really felt deeply
it had to be done.
1127
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,440
We had a moral responsibility
to act.
1128
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,560
The international politics
were difficult,
1129
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:22,680
but he showed genuine leadership
1130
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,440
in moving the dial on it.
1131
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:32,320
My concerns were the alacrity
with which he wanted
1132
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:34,160
to take military action.
1133
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,000
His very quick decision -
1134
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:37,800
we'll go in,
we're going to get involved,
1135
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:39,960
we're going to do this militarily.
1136
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,920
It had been, in those terms,
successful.
1137
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:47,760
But I think he then realised
that he had the power to do this.
1138
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,960
And we then descended, in my view,
1139
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,560
into the horrors of
the post-2001 situation.
1140
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,720
CHANTING: Tony, Tony, Tony...
1141
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,880
Well, one of the things
you learn in politics
1142
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:02,680
is they can be chanting
your name one day in praise
1143
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,760
and they could be chanting it
the next day in condemnation.
1144
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:07,480
You've got to be strong enough
1145
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,400
both to withstand the praise
and the condemnation.
1146
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:12,560
Once you come to the view
that what you should do
1147
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:16,160
is what you think is right,
then you've got to stand by that.
1148
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:19,280
Some people will hate it,
some people will love it,
1149
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:20,520
and that, you shouldn't...
1150
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:22,760
It shouldn't propel you
one way or the other.
1151
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:55,000
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