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A fatal
fall from 80 feet
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off a bridge
into an ice cold river
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in the middle of the night.
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We could see scuff
marks on the pipe,
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as if someone had been trying
to cling on for their life
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before falling to their death.
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A young
student's life cut short.
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You never
expect a child to go early.
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It's like torture.
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Was it simply
a bizarre accident--
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What he witnessed
was John almost doing
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a backflip over
the railings and
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disappearing into the water.
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- or murder?
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Unless he was punched
with the force of someone
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like Popeye, then he could
not go over accidentally.
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Our son, John Chipp,
was born on the 11th of March,
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1986, in Castletown, which
is an area in Sunderland.
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He was a lovely baby.
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He was bright.
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He walked early at 10 months.
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He was always fun.
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He was very
thoughtful, very loving,
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very friendly with everybody.
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And he just loved life.
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MARK CHIPP - Mine and John's
relationship was really good
one.
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We were very close.
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Our John was the older one.
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He was two years older than me.
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He was always there for us.
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He would always
stick up for us.
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He would always
fight my corner,
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and we had some
great times together.
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Like many
young people in Sunderland,
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John loved soccer.
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Even before
he could walk properly,
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he was kicking the ball around.
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He
loved to follow
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Sunderland Football Club.
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He was a season ticket holder.
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We used to go out
and play football together,
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and he was great at football.
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So he just used to take
the ball past me all the time.
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John also
shared his father's
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love of racing pigeons.
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He used to love coming
down, sitting with the birds,
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helping his dad basket
the birds and train the birds.
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It's
the delightful John Chipp.
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He's been in the sea.
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We enjoyed our family
holidays, and
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we went to the Dominican
Republic as a family.
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The holiday was great.
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We had a right laugh.
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I was 15 at the time.
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He would have been 17.
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And we just bonded.
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It was great.
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I'd class him
as a perfect brother.
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I-- I don't think I could
have asked much more from him.
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He was very loving,
very thoughtful.
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Always tell you he loved you
and put his arms around you.
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We couldn't have asked
for anything better.
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Situated
in the Northeast of England,
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John's home city of Sunderland
is famous for more
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than its Football Club.
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We've got
a fabulous coastline,
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lots of historic things,
good shopping centers.
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It's a really, really
nice area to live.
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It's a city that
former Detective Superintendent
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Ian Sharp policed for a decade
during his 30 years of service.
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The city of Sunderland is a
typical busy city center built
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around the River Wear,
the deep gorge river,
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ideal for shipbuilding,
and one of the oldest
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bridges crossing the river is
the Queen Alexandra Bridge.
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It's 330 feet long
and 85 feet high.
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By 2004, John
Chipp had finished school
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and was preparing for his
next stage in life.
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John was enrolled
in college to do
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a BTEC in public services.
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I think he
wanted to be either
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a fireman or a police officer.
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John turned
18 on March 11, 2004.
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And a week later,
on Thursday, March 18,
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another friend was
celebrating their big day.
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When John finished
work, he called in to see
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his dad at the pigeon loft.
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And he just says, dad,
do you mind if I go out?
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I said to them,
don't get too much
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to drink, make sure
you stick together,
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and make sure you
come home together.
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Went out with a big
smile on his face
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as he used excited to go and
have a drink with his friends.
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I didn't get home until
after John had gone out.
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We had our evening meal,
settled down for the evening,
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went to bed,
and John wasn't in.
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It wasn't until
the following morning
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that we both realized
he hadn't come home,
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and that's when alarm
bells start to ring.
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It was not like him at all.
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He hadn't even phoned
or left a message
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to say he was all right.
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I had to get to work
that Friday morning.
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But I think during
the whole day, both of us
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tried his mobile
phone numerous times.
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He didn't answer.
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The day have
passed, and we just
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thought he might have been
partying at a friend's
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house or whatever.
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When I came back from
work on Friday evening,
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that's when we reported
him missing to the police.
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They wanted
a photograph of him.
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John always played five a side
football at Nissan Car Factory
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Sports Club on a Friday.
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We went there,
and he wasn't there.
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You get that feeling,
you know there's something
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wrong, desperately wrong.
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Just a gut feeling
that you know
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it's going to turn out bad.
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It was just like he
disappeared off the Earth.
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Meanwhile, police were
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rapidly escalating
their inquiries
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into John's disappearance.
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He was reported
missing Friday,
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the 19th of March
to my colleague, Detective
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Sergeant Chris Sobenga.
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We get many reports
of missing from homes.
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This one was more unusual.
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The family were
distraught and frantic.
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Chris Sobenga contacted
the family immediately to seek
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clues and help from them.
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We began inquiries
around the mobile phone
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to see if there was
any response from that.
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And then began to review CCTV
footage from the town center
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to see if they could
pick up John Chipp.
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CCTV, in its early stages, was
very grainy and bad quality.
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But they were able to pick
up John Chipp in the town
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center at around 11:30.
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He'd been out drinking,
and was very drunk,
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and had been spoken
to by police officers
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in the town center, who
told him to behave and
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get himself on his way home.
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Further CCTV footage
was reviewed,
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and it was able to pick
up John running home quite
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fast from the city
center along towards
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the Queen Alexandra Bridge.
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Another male was seen
about two minutes ahead
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of him going onto
the bridge before John ran
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onto the bridge.
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The last movements of John
entering the bridge
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from the south side was
just after midnight at about
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quarter past midnight.
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That takes us
into the early hours
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of Friday the 19th of March.
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So we know that he went onto
the Queen Alexandra Bridge
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from the south side trying
to get home on the north side.
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But he never came over
the other side of the bridge.
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He wasn't seen again.
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The worst case
scenario was that
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he'd fallen from the bridge
somehow, an 80-foot drop.
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A fall from the bridge
of 80 foot onto the water
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would certainly knock you
out unconscious immediately.
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It's similar
to hitting concrete.
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The weather
at the time was rough
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and a cold water temperature
from the north sea.
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The chances of survival from
an 80-foot drop onto the river
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are very slim indeed.
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In the days after
John Chipp went missing on
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March 18, 2004,
possibly having suffered
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a fatal fall from the Queen
Alexandra Bridge in Sunderland,
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police and family
grew increasingly
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concerned for his safety.
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You felt powerless.
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You didn't know where
to start looking.
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You don't know what to do.
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It's awful, absolutely awful.
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While
police pieced together
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John's last known
movements, John's father,
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George, continued
to do everything
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he could to find his son.
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I just couldn't sit back
and just sit-in the house.
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I just had to be
out there, looking.
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I'd went down to the river,
because we used to walk
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the dog down the river.
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I searched the allotments
where I've got the pigeons.
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I never give up.
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I went out looking every day.
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I always had it in my head
that he was going to show up.
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He's somewhere.
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He's-- he's just
being an idiot.
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Just come home, John.
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Investigators,
led at this point
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by Detective Sergeant
Chris Sobenga
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were desperate
for more information.
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Chris Sobenga was in close
contact with the family,
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and he urged the family
to make a press
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appeal for further
witnesses to come forward.
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Sunderland
Football Club, they
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were very happy to put an
appeal out at their home game
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that weekend.
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I was asked if I would do
a local radio interview.
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Probably one of the most
traumatic ones
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was doing the press
conference where
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people's cameras are clicking
as you walk in a room.
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There are a number
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of reasons why the police
might choose to hold
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a missing person appeal.
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The first one might be
that they are looking out
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for people who
might be witnesses,
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without even realizing that
they witnessed anything.
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There is the added
benefit in a way
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that doing this appeal
is really highlighting
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to the victim's
family that they
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are doing as much as they can.
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A missing person's appeal
can have the added bonus
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of putting pressure on people
who either know information or
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is aware of someone
else being involved,
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because it can start
to feel like those walls are
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closing in.
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So it can encourage people who
know something to come forward.
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Police
investigations at this point
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are centered around
searching the riverbanks.
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The Marine section
of Northumbria police
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were involved,
underwater search
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unit divers were involved.
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But it is difficult
because of the fast flowing
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tide and the deep silt.
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But almost two
weeks since his disappearance,
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there was still
no sign of John.
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The police
are struggling
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to find any clues or evidence.
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The bridge has been
searched and analyzed.
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There are no signs of any
struggle or assault or
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any blood, so there is
no typical crime scene
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to start a murder inquiry.
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Meanwhile,
the local community rallied
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to support John's family.
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I had people
knocking on our door
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with flowers, some people
I didn't even know.
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I started to feel like we
lived in a flower shop.
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But you almost feel like
your life's not your own
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at that time, because you
just go through motions
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other than your grief and your
frustration of not having any--
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anything to do or any news.
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You function, and that's all.
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In late
March 2004, two
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weeks after John went missing
from the Queen Alexandra
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Bridge, police received
a call, which was quickly
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brought to the attention
of Detective Superintendent
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Ian sharp.
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The phone call
comes in from a member
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of the public, who happens
to be a family friend of a man
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named Christopher Weldon.
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The witness told
us that he'd been
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out drinking with Christopher
Weldon and the wives.
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There'd been a lot
of alcohol consumed.
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Weldon's wife took
the car keys from Weldon
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and told him he was
not capable of driving.
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Weldon objected to that.
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There was an argument,
and he stormed off in a huff,
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stating he was going to go
to the Queen Alexandra Bridge
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and throw himself off.
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The witness told us
that he'd been talking
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to Christopher Weldon,
and-- and he said,
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you'd never guess
what's happened.
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I went to the Queen
Alexandra Bridge,
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and as I was standing there, a
young lad came running across,
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and he's gone over
the side of the bridge.
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The witness urged Weldon
to go to the police,
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but Weldon refused.
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So that witness
came to the police
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and gave us that information.
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And at that point,
myself and Steve Barron
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became involved
in a homicide inquiry.
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The witness had
quite a tale to tell,
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and I think we were all very
surprised when he came forward.
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Weldon had said, this young
lad come running towards us,
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and he started
to fight with us.
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And during that fight,
that young lad has
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somehow gone over the bridge.
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Weldon hadn't done anything.
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He hadn't left
the bridge and contacted
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the emergency services.
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In actual fact, he'd left
the bridge, phoned a friend,
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and got a lift home.
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The witness was willing
to give that evidence in court.
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So now we have what we
would refer to as a key and
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significant witness.
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And now we are very much
leaning towards the fact
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that what's happened
on the bridge
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is John has come across
Christopher Weldon.
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There's been some
form of altercation.
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And as a result of that,
John's ended up in the river.
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Investigators
were grateful
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that the witness had found the
strength to come forward and
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report one of his own friends.
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He knows that if
this turns out to be a murder
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and his friends found guilty
of it, that he's going
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to go to jail for a long time.
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I'm sure he thought
long and hard about it,
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but I'm also sure
that he was hugely
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influenced by those appeals
from John's parents.
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Armed with
this new information,
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Detective Superintendent
Ian Sharp moved
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quickly to detain his suspect.
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Christopher Weldon
was arrested and
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placed in the cells overnight.
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He was originally arrested
for an assault case
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because he'd already
confessed to being
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in a fight on the bridge
with a younger man.
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So the arrest for assault
was appropriate because we
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did not have a dead body.
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With Christopher
Weldon in detention
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awaiting interview
at Sunderland police station,
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astonishing new information
about their suspect
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quickly came to light
regarding an incident
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that happened just 10 days
before John Chipp disappeared.
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We found out that
Christopher Weldon had
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been a passenger on a ferry.
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That ferry traveled from
Amsterdam to North Shields.
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And what we knew was that
Weldon was on that boat
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with a number of friends.
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We also knew that there was
a 35-year-old German man called
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Frank Conrad on the ferry.
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We know on that
ferry trip, there
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had been an argument between
Weldon and Frank Conrad.
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And when the ferry
docked in North shields,
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Mr. Conrad was not on board.
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Mr. Conrad, at some point
during that journey,
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had gone overboard
and into the North Sea.
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We know that Weldon
was interviewed
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by police about a week before
John Chipp went missing.
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So when Weldon was
arrested in relation
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to John's disappearance,
he's already
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a part of an investigation
in relation
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to Frank Conrad's missing
episode from the ferry.
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Frank Conrad's
body was never found.
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And although Weldon
was never charged,
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police were struck by the
similarities between the cases.
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We have two reports
of men going into water
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under circumstances
that are not
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understood and not explained.
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And both investigations now
involve Christopher Weldon.
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It's important
to note that Weldon
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never had any criminal
charge associated
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with the ferry incident.
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However, that
incident will have
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meant that Weldon was aware
that someone went overboard,
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was missing, and no criminal
charges were brought.
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And that does then
pose the question
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that, did that give
Weldon a kind of sense
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of self-assurance,
a confidence that he then
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felt he didn't need
to go to the police
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when he knew that John
had gone over the bridge?
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Because he knew that
no information had
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been found in relation
to the ferry incident,
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so why would this
be any Different
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For Detective
Superintendent Ian Sharp,
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this was a unique
and challenging case.
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As a Detective
Superintendent and
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senior investigating officer, I
had investigated many murders,
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which normally begin with
a crime scene, a dead body,
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forensic scientists,
pathologists,
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blood splash patterns,
and lots of clues
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to help you get started.
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This was a unique case
because we had none of that.
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And we were pinning our hopes
on an interview strategy
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to see what clues we could pick
up from Christopher Weldon.
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So it was important
to talk to him
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and find out exactly what
happened on the bridge.
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With 18-year-old
John Chipp still missing after
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an altercation on Queen
Alexandra Bridge in Sunderland,
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police needed to establish
whether he had
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accidentally fallen
into the river below
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or if he had been pushed.
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While their number
one suspect was
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in the cells
awaiting interview,
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police informed
John Chipp's family
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of Christopher Weldon's arrest.
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We had a visit from the CID.
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But the information,
what we got,
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we didn't really want to hear,
because it was all bad.
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It was pure shock.
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We still didn't have John.
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We still didn't know the true
facts behind what had gone on.
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You just want to know
where he is and why.
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As well
as prompting
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Christopher Weldon's
arrest, the call
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made by his friend also led
Detective Superintendent Ian
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Sharp to re-examine the scene
of John Chipp's suspected
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fatal fall.
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When we got information that
an altercation had taken place
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between Weldon and John
Chipp on the bridge,
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we examined closely
a pipe that ran
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alongside the barrier
of the bridge,
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and we could see scuff
marks on the pipe,
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like finger marks
being dragged down
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the pipe as if someone
was trying
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to hold on before falling.
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It was gut wrenching.
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It was terrible
to think that someone
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had been trying to cling
on for their life
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before falling to their death.
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00:20:57,839 --> 00:21:00,559
Seeing those finger
marks on that pipe
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00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:05,960
certainly tied in with Weldon's
first confession to his friend,
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00:21:06,039 --> 00:21:08,160
that an altercation
that took place,
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and a boy had gone over
the side of the bridge.
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What we now had
to try and understand
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was, was that an accident
or was he deliberately
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00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:20,720
thrown over the bridge?
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00:21:20,799 --> 00:21:22,200
Ian
and his team knew
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that interviewing
Christopher Weldon
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would be key
to understanding what
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really happened on the bridge.
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Weldon's version
of events is that he
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is there because he
is contemplating
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taking his own life.
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He says that he sees a young
man running towards him,
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and that that young man
begins to assault him.
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Weldon describes that
he somehow stumbles
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and his arms flail upwards.
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And in doing so, he
catches John somehow,
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and John is propelled
backwards over the railings
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and into the water.
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Video interviews now
are very commonplace.
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But back then, they weren't.
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It was difficult
to picture in your mind
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00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,200
exactly what you were
seeing and to establish,
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was this an accident or not.
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I knew at that point the Crown
Prosecution Service would think
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there was reasonable doubt.
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So I decided on a new tactic
to go to the gymnasium
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and set up a volleyball net at
the same height of the bridge
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barrier, and to get Weldon
to reconstruct and tell
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us exactly what
had happened, only
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this time video record it
to see if what he was saying
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was indeed possible.
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We said it
at the height of 4 feet
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2 inches, which is
exactly the same height
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as the bridge barrier.
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And we essentially
said to Weldon,
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can you show us what
this looked like?
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And what he described was being
knocked back during this attack
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and lost his balance.
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His arm flew in the air,
made contact with John.
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And what he witnessed
was John almost doing
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a backflip over
the railings and
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disappearing into the water.
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00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,160
That's the version
he was sticking to.
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He was defending himself.
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He was the victim,
and this young boy
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had somehow gone over headfirst
over the side of the bridge
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and had fallen to his death.
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I'm thinking to myself from
a common sense perspective,
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I don't know
if that's possible.
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The difficulty
now was convincing
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the CPS to charge a murder
charge given that we
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did not have a dead body.
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To help convince
the Crown Prosecution Service
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to charge Weldon
with murder, they
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decided to enlist the help
of pathologist Jim Sunter
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00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,519
and explained to him
the circumstances
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of the altercation.
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We said, if this
young man has gone off
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the bridge in these
circumstances,
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what's the likelihood
of him surviving
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an impact with the water?
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And what that
person said was, I'm
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convinced that that
young man would
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00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,119
not have survived that fall.
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You simply haven't yet
recovered his body.
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The next thing we
asked him about
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was, what did he think
about the account
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that Christopher
Weldon had provided?
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He immediately said,
no, that's impossible,
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because your center of gravity
is down where your hips are.
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The barrier rail is set
at 4 foot 2 shoulder
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height for a safety reason.
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And unless he was punched
with the force of someone
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like Popeye, then he could
not go over accidentally.
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00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,359
We got a very early statement
from the pathologist
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at that point
to support the theory
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that John Chipp had
been deliberately
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pushed over the bridge.
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And this was murder,
not an accident.
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Even
without a body,
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the evidence gathered
by Ian and Steve
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was enough to convince
the Crown Prosecution Service.
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On Thursday, April
1, 2004, they
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authorized a charge of murder
against Christopher Weldon,
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and he was remanded
in custody to appear
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at Houghton Le spring
Magistrates' Court
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the following morning.
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Meanwhile, Ian and Steve
visited John's family
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to tell them that Weldon
was now being charged
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with their son's murder.
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I don't recall exactly
what my reaction was,
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because it's not happiness.
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00:25:49,319 --> 00:25:53,319
You never expect
a child to go early.
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It's like torture.
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We still didn't have John.
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All I wanted was
to know where my--
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my son was so I could
lay him to rest.
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Often, we talk about the
significant impact on families
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00:26:11,559 --> 00:26:13,640
when a loved one
is murdered, but
505
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,640
it can be worse when there
is no body to grieve over.
506
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,759
Because there's this constant
back of the mind thought of,
507
00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:21,960
what if they're just missing?
508
00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:23,400
What if they turn up?
509
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,559
Because there's no
evidence physically
510
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,880
yet that that can't happen.
511
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,160
The underlying priority
for the family and for us,
512
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,119
was to recover
John Chipp's body
513
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,720
and give the family
some peace of mind.
514
00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:41,000
And we made a promise
that we would
515
00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:44,440
do everything humanly possible
to recover John's body.
516
00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:47,480
While
police frogmen continued
517
00:26:47,559 --> 00:26:50,240
to search the River
Wear, investigators
518
00:26:50,319 --> 00:26:53,519
made another
breakthrough in the case.
519
00:26:53,599 --> 00:26:56,000
A witness came forward,
and she described
520
00:26:56,079 --> 00:26:58,960
entering the bridge
from the North side,
521
00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:02,039
and she encountered
a big man, who we now
522
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,960
know as Christopher Weldon.
523
00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:07,000
She walked past the big man.
524
00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:09,599
And as she walked
towards the South side,
525
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,559
she saw what she
says is a young boy
526
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:13,759
running under the bridge.
527
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,720
It is important that
she places both of them
528
00:27:17,799 --> 00:27:21,319
together on the bridge
at quarter past midnight.
529
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,480
That was the last
sighting of John Chipp.
530
00:27:24,839 --> 00:27:27,000
As investigations continued,
531
00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:29,039
so did the search
for John Chipp's body.
532
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,680
It's important because that
body will tell us a story.
533
00:27:34,759 --> 00:27:38,680
For example, was John alive
when he hit the water,
534
00:27:38,759 --> 00:27:42,519
or was he killed on the bridge
first and then thrown over?
535
00:27:42,599 --> 00:27:44,880
John could have
had a suicide note
536
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,440
on his body, which
would indicate
537
00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:49,480
that he had killed
himself rather than
538
00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:50,920
being thrown from the bridge.
539
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,079
The officers from
the Northumbria Police Marine
540
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,680
Unit undertook hours
and hours of searching
541
00:27:58,759 --> 00:28:00,240
in the-- the river.
542
00:28:00,319 --> 00:28:03,359
We are in the most
arduous of circumstances.
543
00:28:04,759 --> 00:28:09,279
We had a friend that
had a small, small boat.
544
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,960
For a couple of days, we
went up and down the river,
545
00:28:12,039 --> 00:28:13,680
the same river as the police.
546
00:28:13,759 --> 00:28:15,200
So they were on the south side.
547
00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:20,519
We were on the north
side, but we had no joy.
548
00:28:20,599 --> 00:28:22,599
It was nigh
on impossible, really.
549
00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:29,160
On April
15, 2004, almost a month
550
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,039
after John Chipp had fallen
from the Queen Alexandra
551
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,119
bridge, and two weeks after
Christopher Weldon had
552
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,680
been charged with his murder,
the search for John's body
553
00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:39,720
came to an end.
554
00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:45,880
A dog Walker at Hilton,
a couple of miles up the river,
555
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:51,720
saw a body floating in the
river and contacted the police.
556
00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:56,880
The Marine section recovered
the body from the river
557
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,079
and brought it back to the dock
at Sunderland, where myself
558
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,400
and Steve Barron were waiting.
559
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,319
John's mobile phone, and as I
recall, his wallet were--
560
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:07,599
were still in his pockets.
561
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,599
So that-- that indicated
that it was John,
562
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,119
and you could see
that it was-- it
563
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,880
was John, albeit he
was formally identified
564
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,839
through DNA enquiries.
565
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,440
John's
body was sent
566
00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:26,519
to pathologist Jim
Sunter for a post-mortem,
567
00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:30,160
while Detective Superintendent
Ian Sharp passed on the news
568
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,200
to John's family.
569
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,359
They just gave
us that information
570
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,839
and made sure we
were OK, but I think
571
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,880
they knew that we
needed to be on our own,
572
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,079
and I think we just
hugged and cried.
573
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:48,720
Part in sadness,
but also relief
574
00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:52,079
that at least we
knew where he was,
575
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,079
and we could finally
have some closure.
576
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:58,960
I was in school, actually.
577
00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:03,640
I was in a lesson,
and the two teachers come in
578
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,119
and took me out of the lesson.
579
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:07,599
I thought I was in trouble.
580
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,000
And they put us in the car,
but they didn't say a word.
581
00:30:11,079 --> 00:30:12,519
It was just silence.
582
00:30:12,599 --> 00:30:14,000
And then they took us home.
583
00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:17,880
And that's when I got--
584
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,680
got told that the body
had been found.
585
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,599
And then when the teachers
had gone, I just burst--
586
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,960
burst into tears, and I
just jumped off the stairs
587
00:30:28,039 --> 00:30:30,039
and just gave my mom
and dad a big cuddle.
588
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:36,359
While John's family
were left to process the news,
589
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,240
a post-mortem
gave investigators
590
00:30:38,319 --> 00:30:41,400
more information about what
had happened to him the night
591
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,440
he fell from the bridge.
592
00:30:43,519 --> 00:30:46,680
He had not been
stabbed before going over
593
00:30:46,759 --> 00:30:48,279
from the side of the bridge.
594
00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:50,880
John had water
in his lungs, which
595
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,480
means that when John
entered the river,
596
00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:56,359
he was still breathing.
597
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,519
Pathologists said he
would have been knocked
598
00:30:58,599 --> 00:31:00,240
unconscious immediately.
599
00:31:01,599 --> 00:31:03,359
And when he went
under the water,
600
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,960
he took a gulp of breath,
and water entered his lungs.
601
00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:10,200
The cause of death
was given as drowning.
602
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,079
The property was
still on the body,
603
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,759
so he wasn't robbed
on the bridge, and nothing else
604
00:31:17,839 --> 00:31:20,640
to give us any indication that
something else had happened
605
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,680
on the bridge, other
than an altercation and
606
00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:27,359
being bundled over
the side and into the river
607
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:28,720
whilst he was alive.
608
00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:33,440
Trying to put together
a motive for John's murder,
609
00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:36,359
I think it's clear that
Christopher Weldon's
610
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:41,240
standing on that bridge with
serious troubles on his mind.
611
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:45,119
He'd just been interviewed
about a ferry death.
612
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,079
He'd had an argument
with his wife.
613
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,359
He was drunk.
614
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,799
He'd gone to the bridge,
and he told people
615
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,759
he was going to kill himself.
616
00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:56,039
He didn't kill himself and
killed someone else instead.
617
00:31:58,279 --> 00:32:00,319
After
weeks of turmoil,
618
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,119
John Chipp's parents were
finally able to begin
619
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,200
preparing for his funeral.
620
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:07,359
And his father,
George, was determined
621
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,039
that John finished the journey
he started the night he died.
622
00:32:12,599 --> 00:32:16,000
I was told that there
wouldn't be bringing them home,
623
00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:19,119
but I demanded he come home.
624
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,400
I says he was on his way home.
625
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,599
He wanted to get home.
626
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,680
I want you to bring him home.
627
00:32:25,759 --> 00:32:29,759
They brought in that
house, and we--
628
00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:33,880
we had John
in the house overnight,
629
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,839
obviously, in his coffin.
630
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,000
That was such a relief.
631
00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:42,440
I felt much, much
better just having
632
00:32:42,519 --> 00:32:45,119
him there for that night.
633
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,680
That was probably the best
sleep I had had for weeks.
634
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,079
Finally,
on May 12, 2004,
635
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,839
John Chipp was laid to rest.
636
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,319
The funeral
was absolutely massive.
637
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:58,759
Couldn't get everyone
in the church.
638
00:32:58,839 --> 00:33:00,960
Outside the church,
the street was just packed.
639
00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:03,559
It was-- it's the biggest
funeral I've ever--
640
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,079
I've ever seen.
641
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,160
It was unbelievable the amount
that turnout for him.
642
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:12,079
The street was lined by
hundreds of neighbors, friends.
643
00:33:13,599 --> 00:33:14,559
It was very moving.
644
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,240
It was an amazing occasion,
but a-- but a very sad one.
645
00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:24,200
You can't believe that an--
646
00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:29,920
an 18-year-old that still lived
at home could have an effect
647
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,559
on so many people's lives.
648
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,079
On June 15,
2004, Christopher Weldon
649
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,200
appeared in court
at a plea hearing
650
00:33:48,279 --> 00:33:50,200
for pushing John
Chipp to his death
651
00:33:50,279 --> 00:33:53,599
from the Queen Alexandra
bridge in Sunderland.
652
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,720
It was the first
time John's parents
653
00:33:55,799 --> 00:33:59,880
came face to face with the man
accused of killing their son.
654
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,640
I remember thinking,
bizarrely, he's not a monster.
655
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,239
I-- I don't know whether
you think somebody is--
656
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,599
that does such a horrific
thing to another human
657
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:16,480
being can look normal.
658
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:18,840
I just seen him as evil.
659
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:22,760
I couldn't see him
as anything else.
660
00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:26,000
After
pleading not guilty,
661
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:30,159
Christopher Weldon was
remanded until November 2004,
662
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,159
when he went on trial
for the murder of John Chipp.
663
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,039
To disprove Weldon's
version of events,
664
00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:39,440
the prosecution wanted
to show the jury
665
00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:41,920
a visual interpretation
of what must
666
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,280
have happened on the bridge.
667
00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:46,719
In the run up
to the trial, we
668
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,400
considered another
new tactic of doing
669
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,639
a computer reconstruction.
670
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,760
The defense didn't like it
because it was prejudicial
671
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,440
and because it wasn't
admitted in evidence.
672
00:34:59,519 --> 00:35:01,440
That caused
the judge to instruct
673
00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:04,840
the jury to attend the bridge.
674
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,719
It is very rare that
a jury will physically go and
675
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,639
visit a crime scene location.
676
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,159
The whole court
process is supposed
677
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,119
to be very secular, very
kept within closed walls.
678
00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:17,719
Now, it can be really
helpful for the jury to help
679
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,199
contextualize the scene.
680
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,119
Specifically,
in this case, they
681
00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:24,360
need to understand
the physicality,
682
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,519
the physical possibility
of Weldon's claim
683
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:29,880
that John has just
accidentally almost fallen
684
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,519
over the side of this bridge.
685
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:34,039
And so this visit
to the bridge is
686
00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:37,000
going to have had to be
extremely well planned
687
00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:38,880
and mapped out to be
able to go ahead.
688
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,159
Over
20 years later,
689
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,840
former Detective
Inspector Steve Barron
690
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,840
revisited the bridge
to retrace the jury's steps.
691
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,239
We wanted the jury
to see what this looked
692
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,480
like, a 4 foot 2 railing.
693
00:35:54,559 --> 00:35:57,840
And to get over here, you're
going to have to climb over,
694
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,320
or you're going to have to be
manhandled and thrown over.
695
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,760
And we wanted the jury to
understand what an 85-foot drop
696
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,000
looks like, because that's
what we've got
697
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:10,199
from here under the river.
698
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,679
Coming here and seeing
this footpath
699
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,320
made the jury think about the
account that Weldon had given.
700
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,960
And ultimately, that
just demonstrated
701
00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:23,320
that Weldon's account
was totally fanciful.
702
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,719
The defense
claimed that John's death
703
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,960
was an accident, and that
he had attacked Weldon.
704
00:36:31,039 --> 00:36:37,639
Defense was making John out
to be an unpleasant individual,
705
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,719
that John was
looking for a fight,
706
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:46,400
and that's hard
to listen to as a mother
707
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:47,400
whose son had been murdered.
708
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,880
In his
defense, Weldon also came
709
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,599
up with an unexpected tactic.
710
00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:57,519
Incredibly, as part
of the defense strategy,
711
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:03,039
they introduced evidence
about the ferry incident
712
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:05,239
the week before
John going missing.
713
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,920
Where Frank Conrad had
been reported missing,
714
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,159
presumed having gone overboard.
715
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:17,159
And the jury heard that
Weldon had been on the ferry
716
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:18,880
when this had happened,
that he'd been
717
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,639
interviewed by the police.
718
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,000
It seems extremely unusual
that Weldon's defense attorney
719
00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:27,400
would decide to bring up a case
where Weldon's been questioned
720
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,960
in relation
to a potential crime
721
00:37:30,039 --> 00:37:32,199
in very similar
circumstances to the one
722
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,079
that he's now on trial for.
723
00:37:34,159 --> 00:37:35,800
There are a couple of reasons
that they might have
724
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,320
decided to do this, though.
725
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,199
This is a relatively
small local community.
726
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,239
People are going to have heard
about Weldon being questioned
727
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,039
in relation to this
prior case, so they maybe
728
00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:48,079
thought it's better
to officially
729
00:37:48,159 --> 00:37:51,760
introduce it to record
and control the narrative
730
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,639
in relation to it.
731
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,519
Additionally, they're trying
to use this to paint Weldon
732
00:37:56,599 --> 00:37:59,039
as this victim who's
being falsely accused
733
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:02,440
and has had these run ins
a couple of times now.
734
00:38:02,519 --> 00:38:04,880
Ultimately, though,
I think it backfires.
735
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,000
Because actually,
it just goes to show
736
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:11,199
that this is the type of person
who's at least been suspected
737
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,840
of being able to show this
level of extreme violence
738
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,719
before and not
even very long ago.
739
00:38:18,119 --> 00:38:21,480
On Wednesday,
December 1, 2004,
740
00:38:21,559 --> 00:38:24,039
the jury returned
their verdict.
741
00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:27,440
The jury came
back with a majority of 10 to 2
742
00:38:27,519 --> 00:38:30,119
that Weldon was guilty
of John's murder.
743
00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:34,360
But you know
what, we don't win.
744
00:38:36,039 --> 00:38:39,719
We don't have our son
back and never will do.
745
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:44,159
So yes, there is some happiness
and elation on one part.
746
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,639
But equally, that
sadness is still there.
747
00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:51,639
Christopher
Weldon was given a life
748
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,440
sentence with
a recommendation of 15
749
00:38:54,519 --> 00:38:56,800
years in prison minus
the eight months
750
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,440
he'd already spent on remand.
751
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,199
In my opinion,
it wasn't a fair--
752
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:04,880
it wasn't a fair sentence.
753
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,599
I pictured him
as coming out at 42.
754
00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:12,920
He's still got a lot
of years to enjoy life,
755
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,639
and I just didn't think
the sentence was long enough.
756
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,760
From a professional
perspective,
757
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,760
sentencing and guidelines
are there for judges
758
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,320
to understand and implement.
759
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:35,199
And on that basis, 15 years
was entirely appropriate.
760
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,800
But had John been my boy
and somebody had murdered him,
761
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,320
I would want them to go to jail
for the rest of their life.
762
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,480
After
the jury's guilty verdict,
763
00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:48,199
the judge acknowledged
Ian, Steve, and
764
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,280
Detective Sergeant Chris
Sobenga's roles in what had
765
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,719
been a tragic and unique case.
766
00:39:55,199 --> 00:39:58,280
The judge formally
commended Ian,
767
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:04,599
and he commended Chris
and myself for our efforts
768
00:40:04,679 --> 00:40:08,360
in supporting Ian leading
the investigation.
769
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,480
At the end of the trial,
Ruth gave me a thank you
770
00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:14,360
card and a bottle of whisky.
771
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,320
Getting a hug from
Ruth was more important
772
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:18,760
than the commendation.
773
00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:23,119
With Weldon serving
time in Northumberland Prison,
774
00:40:23,199 --> 00:40:25,320
John's family faced
the challenge of life
775
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,960
without their beloved
son and brother.
776
00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:31,199
You just
have to try and move on.
777
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,280
I don't think any of us
wanted to celebrate
778
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,239
Christmas that year, did we?
779
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,199
We-- we actually
felt guilty--
780
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:39,360
Enjoying ourselves.
781
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,000
for trying
to enjoy ourselves.
782
00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:43,599
At the time,
I was very young
783
00:40:43,679 --> 00:40:46,320
and I didn't realize how
much losing my brother
784
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,039
had affected us.
785
00:40:48,119 --> 00:40:51,119
I think it changed my life
drastically for the worse,
786
00:40:51,199 --> 00:40:53,639
really, because I grew
up without a brother,
787
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,360
I'll never be able to be
an uncle, stuff like that.
788
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,599
In the spring of 2019,
789
00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:02,199
over 14 years after
Christopher Weldon was
790
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,599
sentenced for the murder
of John Chipp,
791
00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:07,199
he became eligible for parole.
792
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,960
You are given
the choice whether you
793
00:41:11,039 --> 00:41:14,960
want to deliver an impact
statement at that
794
00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:17,480
the parole hearing,
and we decided
795
00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:20,119
that's what we wanted to do.
796
00:41:20,199 --> 00:41:22,440
But Weldon
refused to attend the family's
797
00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:23,440
statement reading.
798
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,639
I thought
it was just a coward.
799
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,000
He took our son
away from us, and
800
00:41:29,079 --> 00:41:31,400
he couldn't come and face us.
801
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,480
He didn't have the guts.
802
00:41:33,559 --> 00:41:35,679
Despite not
being able to talk directly
803
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,480
to Weldon, Ruth read
the family's impact statement,
804
00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:41,800
in which Ruth described
how losing John
805
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,440
had affected the family.
806
00:41:43,519 --> 00:41:46,119
"John
was a much loved son,
807
00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:50,559
brother, grandson, nephew,
cousin, and friend.
808
00:41:52,599 --> 00:41:56,440
The anguish that we all
feel at his pointless death
809
00:41:56,519 --> 00:42:01,840
is indescribable, and it is
very hard to put it into words.
810
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,400
Our son, Mark, was
only 15 years old
811
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:05,440
when John was murdered.
812
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,320
He often speaks of his
brother affectionately
813
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:15,320
and becomes upset and angry
that John is no longer with us.
814
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,119
My husband George and I are
still haunted by John's death.
815
00:42:21,679 --> 00:42:24,000
No parent should
have to experience
816
00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:27,000
the tragic death
of a child, especially
817
00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:29,239
in such awful circumstances."
818
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,000
John's parents
requested the parole board keep
819
00:42:35,079 --> 00:42:37,360
Weldon locked up,
but having served
820
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,639
his sentence, Weldon's
parole was granted,
821
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:45,960
and he was released under
license in December 2019.
822
00:42:46,039 --> 00:42:49,320
I wish he
was still behind bars.
823
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,039
However, I won't
allow it to eat me
824
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:57,760
up and niggle away in my head.
825
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,960
And I need to fill it
with much nicer things
826
00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:04,480
than thinking about him.
827
00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:07,039
Over 20
years since John's death,
828
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:10,599
his memory lives on through
his family and friends.
829
00:43:10,679 --> 00:43:12,119
We go out for his memory.
830
00:43:12,199 --> 00:43:14,400
We sometimes get
together with the lads,
831
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:19,039
like all his close friends,
at the time or all my--
832
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:21,119
like, some of them are
my best friends now.
833
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:27,800
In memory of John, we decided
to raise money for the guide
834
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,199
dogs for the blind.
835
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,760
We have managed to raise
over 22,000 pounds.
836
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,840
We have named a dog after him.
837
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,280
We had a black
Labrador called Chippy.
838
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,320
My older son,
who was 13, he's
839
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:42,719
actually called John Chipp.
840
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,039
I named him after
my brother in memory of him.
841
00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:48,599
John's old
comprehensive school,
842
00:43:48,679 --> 00:43:53,599
we decided to set up a subject
award in art in his memory.
843
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,239
We would like John
to be remembered
844
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:05,280
as a young, ginger-headed
young man who loved life,
845
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:08,199
loved his sport.
846
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:10,239
Loved his animals.
847
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:11,280
Mhm.
848
00:44:12,639 --> 00:44:15,360
I'd like John to be
remembered as a fun,
849
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,719
outgoing, very kind, polite,
lovely-- lovely person.
850
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,440
That's exactly who he was.
851
00:44:21,519 --> 00:44:25,760
He was a much
loved child, and we
852
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,599
want his memory to continue.
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