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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,599 --> 00:00:11,560 A fatal fall in the shower. 2 00:00:18,519 --> 00:00:21,480 A woman's life cut short in an instant. 3 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,160 Sitting there talking to me two days earlier, 4 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,079 and now she's dead. 5 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,800 It was so sad and shocking. 6 00:00:30,839 --> 00:00:33,560 Was it truly a tragic accident-- 7 00:00:33,719 --> 00:00:35,840 He claims that he goes into the bathroom. 8 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,159 And there she is, lying on the floor, 9 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,280 bleeding with a massive head wound. 10 00:00:40,439 --> 00:00:41,840 - or murder? 11 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,200 Looking at it as a forensic pathologist, 12 00:00:44,359 --> 00:00:46,719 she had head trauma, and it was not 13 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:47,960 consistent with an accident. 14 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:50,119 This starts to raise 15 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,600 some serious questions. 16 00:01:08,519 --> 00:01:12,040 Leslie Neulander was born in the early 1950s and 17 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,760 grew up on Long Island, New York, before later 18 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:16,799 moving north to Syracuse. 19 00:01:18,599 --> 00:01:21,640 Former local chief medical examiner Mary Jumbelic 20 00:01:21,799 --> 00:01:25,319 met Leslie shortly after she moved to the same neighborhood. 21 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:26,799 Leslie Neulander was 22 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,760 a prominent woman in the community here in Syracuse. 23 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,280 And our social circles and business 24 00:01:34,439 --> 00:01:36,159 circles over overlapped. 25 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,680 She belonged to the same synagogue 26 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,120 that my family belonged to. 27 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,040 And we would see each other at holiday 28 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:47,799 events and other community fundraising events in town. 29 00:01:49,319 --> 00:01:51,400 Leslie was a devoted philanthropist. 30 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,719 And she donated her time to causes 31 00:01:53,879 --> 00:01:56,079 like the Jewish Community Foundation, 32 00:01:56,239 --> 00:02:00,159 Syracuse University, and loads of other charities. 33 00:02:00,319 --> 00:02:01,840 It was always a joy 34 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:06,760 to see her because she had such a bubbly and kind personality. 35 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,039 She just had a way about her of making you laugh 36 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:11,680 and feel at ease. 37 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,840 And I always admired that about her. 38 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,840 In 1983, Leslie had married 39 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:19,639 prominent local obstetrician and 40 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,759 gynecologist Dr. Robert Neulander. 41 00:02:24,159 --> 00:02:26,039 People looked up to him 42 00:02:26,199 --> 00:02:28,319 greatly in the medical world. 43 00:02:28,479 --> 00:02:30,560 And she had been a critical care nurse, 44 00:02:30,719 --> 00:02:33,960 but had given up her career to raise her children. 45 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,319 Bob had been married previously and had two 46 00:02:37,479 --> 00:02:39,319 children from that marriage. 47 00:02:39,479 --> 00:02:43,360 And so she helped to raise those children as well, 48 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,120 and had a very full life. 49 00:02:49,439 --> 00:02:53,159 But on the morning of September 17, 2012, 50 00:02:53,319 --> 00:02:56,639 a distressing call was made from the Neulander family home 51 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:58,439 to emergency services. 52 00:02:58,599 --> 00:02:59,599 On the other line was 53 00:02:59,759 --> 00:03:01,639 Leslie's 23-year-old daughter. 54 00:04:13,919 --> 00:04:17,600 Responders arrived at just minutes later at 8:27. 55 00:04:17,759 --> 00:04:20,920 But unusually, they found Leslie not in the bathroom 56 00:04:21,079 --> 00:04:22,240 but in the bedroom. 57 00:04:22,399 --> 00:04:24,839 And Robert was kneeling down near her body, 58 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,839 covered in blood, with his daughter 59 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,480 just screaming in distress. 60 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,079 Robert told paramedics 61 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,920 that his wife had slipped and fallen in the shower. 62 00:04:41,959 --> 00:04:43,120 The first police officer 63 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:44,800 arrived five minutes later. 64 00:04:44,959 --> 00:04:48,279 They secured the scene and followed the trail of blood 65 00:04:48,439 --> 00:04:52,000 from the bathroom to the bedroom, where 66 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,920 the first responders were working on Leslie's body, 67 00:04:55,079 --> 00:04:56,040 giving her CPR. 68 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,839 Despite their best efforts, she was pronounced 69 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,839 dead at the scene at 8:42 AM. 70 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,759 Shortly after Leslie was pronounced dead, 71 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:15,439 the police went into the bathroom. 72 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,040 They found the shower still running. 73 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,000 And in the bedroom, there was blood everywhere. 74 00:05:29,079 --> 00:05:31,959 And a trail running in the corridor between the bedroom 75 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:33,079 and the bathroom. 76 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,160 Robert explained that he had moved Leslie 77 00:05:39,319 --> 00:05:42,399 from the bathroom, where she had fallen into the bedroom, 78 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,560 because he said, it was easier and more comfortable 79 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,000 for me to perform CPR on her there. 80 00:05:48,439 --> 00:05:50,319 The movements that Robert said he made 81 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,040 checked out with the patterns of blood 82 00:05:52,199 --> 00:05:54,399 that the police found at the scene. 83 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,160 This theory was actually backed up 84 00:05:56,319 --> 00:05:58,360 on the 911 call, where we can hear 85 00:05:58,519 --> 00:06:00,360 his daughter pleading with Robert 86 00:06:00,519 --> 00:06:01,839 not to move her mom's body. 87 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:11,399 One of the next to arrive at the scene 88 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,399 was the medical examiner, Dr. Robert Stoppacher. 89 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,560 Dr. Stoppacher spoke very briefly 90 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,279 to some of the officers, but he was 91 00:06:19,439 --> 00:06:22,120 advised that she had slipped and fallen in the shower. 92 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,199 She had a massive wound to the right side of her scalp. 93 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:33,399 It was probably about 6 inches long, maybe an inch wide. 94 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,920 And based on that preliminary examination, he looked at it 95 00:06:39,079 --> 00:06:42,000 and said, yeah, this head wound is consistent with a slip 96 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:43,120 and fall in the shower. 97 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,800 In the shower itself, there was a stone bench. 98 00:06:51,959 --> 00:06:55,279 If one were to hit their head with sufficient force, 99 00:06:55,439 --> 00:06:57,519 it could cause a serious injury. 100 00:07:01,879 --> 00:07:03,360 On the same afternoon, 101 00:07:03,519 --> 00:07:08,120 Dr. Robert Stoppacher conducted an autopsy on Leslie's body. 102 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,480 He found that she'd had bleeding to the brain. 103 00:07:11,639 --> 00:07:14,600 Her skull had been shattered in so many places. 104 00:07:14,759 --> 00:07:17,879 And she also had bruising to her internal organs. 105 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,279 Taking into account Robert's version of events, 106 00:07:20,439 --> 00:07:22,519 Dr. Stoppacher ruled that Leslie 107 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,959 had died from an accident, blunt force 108 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,639 trauma due to a fall, and that she'd slipped in the shower 109 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,639 and banged her head on the stone counter. 110 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:38,480 News of Leslie's tragic death 111 00:07:38,639 --> 00:07:40,720 began to spread through the Neulander's close 112 00:07:40,879 --> 00:07:41,839 knit community. 113 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,120 I had just arrived home 114 00:07:45,279 --> 00:07:48,399 from Europe, where I had been hospitalized 115 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,519 and near death myself from a small fall and 116 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,120 subsequent infection. 117 00:07:53,279 --> 00:07:59,319 And so, two days later, when I'm sitting in my recliner, 118 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:01,879 still recovering. 119 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:07,240 My son with me, he saw a post on Facebook that was suggestive 120 00:08:07,399 --> 00:08:08,480 that Leslie had died. 121 00:08:11,879 --> 00:08:14,399 And so then there were a lot of phone calls that went around. 122 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,079 And so, finally, I got hold of my husband, 123 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,399 and he said, yes, it's true. 124 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,079 You know, She fell in the shower and she's dead. 125 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:31,240 I felt shocked because she had just been in the home 126 00:08:31,399 --> 00:08:34,440 two days earlier and now she's dead. 127 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:39,320 It was so sad and shocking, but I just accepted 128 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,559 that that is what happened. 129 00:08:49,159 --> 00:08:51,159 Although Leslie Neulander's sudden death 130 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,799 at her home had been ruled an accident following 131 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:59,120 a fall in the shower, police followed standard protocol 132 00:08:59,279 --> 00:09:03,120 in cases of sudden death by opening an investigation, which 133 00:09:03,279 --> 00:09:06,200 would come to the attention of Onondaga County District 134 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,240 Attorney William Fitzpatrick. 135 00:09:09,879 --> 00:09:12,320 I was advised that Leslie Neulander 136 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,840 had slipped and fell in the shower, struck her head, 137 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:15,960 and died. 138 00:09:18,279 --> 00:09:22,360 And that's unusual for a healthy 60-year-old, 139 00:09:22,519 --> 00:09:23,879 but not unheard of. 140 00:09:25,039 --> 00:09:27,759 There's probably 2,500 people a year 141 00:09:27,919 --> 00:09:29,720 in the United States, on average, 142 00:09:29,879 --> 00:09:32,759 die due to bathroom accidents. 143 00:09:32,919 --> 00:09:36,600 Most of them are elderly people caused by heart attacks. 144 00:09:36,759 --> 00:09:38,480 But there wasn't anything reported to me 145 00:09:38,639 --> 00:09:40,480 that indicated this was suspicious. 146 00:09:40,639 --> 00:09:42,919 And, you know, the case just kind of sat in limbo. 147 00:09:45,759 --> 00:09:47,000 While the police carried out 148 00:09:47,159 --> 00:09:50,159 their investigation, friends rallied 149 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,639 around the Neulander family. 150 00:09:52,799 --> 00:09:56,399 After Leslie died, and the next night, 151 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,799 my husband went to the home to visit. 152 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,080 Bob stayed in his room. 153 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,120 He didn't really come out, so my husband just 154 00:10:04,279 --> 00:10:06,840 talked with the kids, and the rabbi was there 155 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,080 and they just had a conversation. 156 00:10:11,799 --> 00:10:15,399 When he returned, he said it was a little awkward 157 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,799 that the kids seemed uncomfortable 158 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,120 when he would bring up how close their parents were 159 00:10:22,279 --> 00:10:23,759 and how sad this was. 160 00:10:23,919 --> 00:10:27,639 And I just attributed that to grief. 161 00:10:30,919 --> 00:10:33,320 On September 20, 2012, 162 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:37,440 three days after Leslie's death, friends and family 163 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:38,799 gathered for her funeral. 164 00:10:40,519 --> 00:10:43,639 Through the days that followed Leslie's death, 165 00:10:43,799 --> 00:10:48,399 including at a funeral, at other social gatherings 166 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:53,039 where her name would come up, that the details were 167 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:54,159 not clear. 168 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:01,200 The only consistent story was Leslie fell in the shower. 169 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:11,440 And that is pretty much what everyone knew. 170 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:16,600 While friends and family 171 00:11:16,759 --> 00:11:20,559 tried to move on from Leslie's tragic passing, 172 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,279 police continued to look into the circumstances 173 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:24,480 surrounding her death. 174 00:11:26,039 --> 00:11:27,279 Although the medical examiner 175 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,679 had ruled Leslie's death as an accident, 176 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,440 the police still carried on their investigation. 177 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,480 And they now wanted to talk to their daughter 178 00:11:34,639 --> 00:11:36,600 about what she had seen that day. 179 00:11:51,799 --> 00:11:53,759 Meanwhile, following her illness, 180 00:11:53,919 --> 00:11:56,840 Mary tried to return to normal life. 181 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,000 Mark and I decided 182 00:11:58,159 --> 00:12:00,240 we would have a Thanksgiving party 183 00:12:00,399 --> 00:12:04,879 to thank my friends for being helpful during my recuperation. 184 00:12:08,799 --> 00:12:11,080 A friend of mine approached me at the party 185 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:15,559 and said she had information that a close friend of Leslie 186 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,759 had concerns about her death. 187 00:12:20,879 --> 00:12:23,120 She said, please, will you talk with her? 188 00:12:23,279 --> 00:12:26,000 And so I agreed to do it. 189 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,240 The friend had a lot to say about Bob's infidelity, 190 00:12:34,399 --> 00:12:37,200 about Bob's financial problems, his behavior 191 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,480 on the day of Leslie's death. 192 00:12:39,639 --> 00:12:42,440 The friend talked about how she was 193 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,519 sure that Bob killed Leslie. 194 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,679 And I was a bit stunned. 195 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:54,360 From my perspective as a medical examiner, 196 00:12:54,519 --> 00:12:59,799 it didn't carry the weight of actual evidence or 197 00:12:59,960 --> 00:13:01,639 forensic data. 198 00:13:01,799 --> 00:13:06,399 After she finishes her story, I say, well, 199 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,200 why don't you go to the police and give them your statement? 200 00:13:14,519 --> 00:13:17,840 So she called me afterward and said, 201 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,279 thank you for telling me to go. 202 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,559 They're going to bring Bob back in for questioning. 203 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,480 I heard he already has a lawyer. 204 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:28,320 And while she's telling me this, 205 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,320 I'm thinking, how odd is that? 206 00:13:31,919 --> 00:13:34,759 If this was just a cold piece of information, 207 00:13:34,919 --> 00:13:36,919 there's no way they would be saying to her, 208 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,000 we're going to bring Bob back in for questioning and 209 00:13:40,159 --> 00:13:42,200 telling her about the lawyer. 210 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:46,279 And so I thought, wow, there's something already going on. 211 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:53,240 And a few hours later, Bob called the house. 212 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,759 Mark took the call. 213 00:13:57,919 --> 00:14:00,000 They chat for a moment or two. 214 00:14:00,159 --> 00:14:03,399 And he gets off the phone with Bob and says, 215 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:04,799 well, good for him. 216 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:06,039 He's going to Israel. 217 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,840 And now I'm sitting there thinking, 218 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:16,639 oh, gosh, I think he will just go to Israel and not come back. 219 00:14:21,919 --> 00:14:24,759 It set off a red flag for me because I 220 00:14:24,919 --> 00:14:28,399 was looking at those two pieces of information 221 00:14:28,559 --> 00:14:30,720 and they were highly concerning. 222 00:14:30,879 --> 00:14:34,440 He's supposed to give another statement to police. 223 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,000 He's leaving the country. 224 00:14:36,159 --> 00:14:39,320 And why do the police want another statement? 225 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,240 The fact that the police were grateful the friend came in and 226 00:14:43,399 --> 00:14:49,559 provided her own observations meant that the police are still 227 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:51,080 concerned about this case. 228 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,679 So I became concerned at that point. 229 00:14:56,919 --> 00:14:59,919 Unbeknownst to Mary, the district attorney's office 230 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,159 was about to reopen the investigation 231 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:03,480 into Leslie's death. 232 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:06,559 Initial reports 233 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,879 were that this was a slip-and-fall accident, 234 00:15:11,039 --> 00:15:13,279 and there wasn't anything that was brought to my attention 235 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,720 initially that indicated that this was 236 00:15:15,879 --> 00:15:17,519 a homicide worth looking into. 237 00:15:17,679 --> 00:15:21,679 And then came an anonymous letter to my office 238 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:22,840 that piqued my interest. 239 00:15:26,679 --> 00:15:29,679 It focused on the financial aspects 240 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:31,840 of the Neulanders, the fact that they were 241 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:33,200 living in separate bedrooms. 242 00:15:34,879 --> 00:15:36,559 Not only pointed that out, but pointed out 243 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,960 that Leslie was going to sign a lease arrangement 244 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,159 that day, which is something that I 245 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,559 certainly was not aware of. 246 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,559 Whoever he or she was, was concerned 247 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,240 that Neulander had a serious financial motive 248 00:15:52,399 --> 00:15:54,039 to kill Leslie. 249 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,440 Now, he or she might not have said that in such overt terms, 250 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,240 but that was the clear import of the letter 251 00:15:59,399 --> 00:16:02,679 that this was not an accident, that this was a homicide. 252 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:07,320 That kind of spurred a renewed interest, certainly by me, 253 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,840 in considering bringing in Mr. Neulander 254 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,279 for a further interview. 255 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:15,399 Just as the district attorney 256 00:16:15,559 --> 00:16:18,639 resumed the investigation into Leslie's death, 257 00:16:18,799 --> 00:16:21,679 Leslie's friend and former medical examiner, 258 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:23,720 Mary Jumbelic, got in touch. 259 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,279 I had worked for years with William Fitzpatrick. 260 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,559 And even though I hadn't spoken to him, probably at that point 261 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,000 in, you know, for years, I called him 262 00:16:35,159 --> 00:16:37,200 because I just wanted to alert him 263 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,960 that someone the police is looking at 264 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:41,399 is going to leave the country. 265 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:48,120 I telephone Fitz, and I said I was calling 266 00:16:48,279 --> 00:16:49,639 about a friend of mine. 267 00:16:49,799 --> 00:16:51,519 Before I could say anything further, 268 00:16:51,679 --> 00:16:54,600 he said, Leslie London Neulander. 269 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,159 It was a good guess on my part. 270 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,480 I did not know why Mary was calling me. 271 00:17:00,639 --> 00:17:04,039 I did not know that she was very close to Bob and Leslie. 272 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:08,480 I hadn't really seen everything at that point, 273 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,720 because we were still in the embryonic stages of recharging 274 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,200 this homicide investigation. 275 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,079 But the crucial thing that I said to Mary was, 276 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:19,799 would you look at the file? 277 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,200 I realized that something about the cause and the manner 278 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,160 of death were not settled. 279 00:17:31,839 --> 00:17:34,640 The only thing I knew was that Leslie 280 00:17:34,799 --> 00:17:35,839 had fallen in the shower. 281 00:17:37,279 --> 00:17:39,839 I didn't know what her injuries were. 282 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,119 I didn't know if she had a heart attack. 283 00:17:42,279 --> 00:17:44,160 I didn't know anything. 284 00:17:44,319 --> 00:17:49,880 But I had a drive to try to help and answer the questions. 285 00:17:50,039 --> 00:17:54,240 That is what I spent my life doing, looking at the dead 286 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,359 and speaking for them and trying to understand 287 00:17:56,519 --> 00:17:58,079 what happened to them. 288 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,359 And so then I said, yes, I'll look at the file. 289 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:04,960 That's when things really took off. 290 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,759 And it became a full-throttled homicide investigation. 291 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,599 Following an anonymous tip off, 292 00:18:17,759 --> 00:18:20,079 District Attorney William Fitzpatrick 293 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:23,279 had reopened the investigation into Leslie's death. 294 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,440 Had she slipped and fallen in the shower, as her husband, 295 00:18:27,599 --> 00:18:30,079 Bob claimed, or had she been murdered? 296 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,880 Hoping for a second opinion, William 297 00:18:35,039 --> 00:18:38,720 sent the case file to former medical examiner Mary Jumbelic. 298 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,079 I focused really quickly on Leslie herself. 299 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:49,160 Because that is my area of expertise, the examination 300 00:18:49,319 --> 00:18:50,359 of the deceased. 301 00:18:50,519 --> 00:18:53,640 And so I focused on her body position, 302 00:18:53,799 --> 00:18:57,240 the wounds I could see, what I could see at the scene, 303 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,400 and all the details that I could learn from the autopsy. 304 00:19:00,559 --> 00:19:04,079 The photographs were very graphic. 305 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,920 It was shocking to see my friend in the photographs, 306 00:19:12,079 --> 00:19:15,160 but even more shocking to see the trauma to her body. 307 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:21,400 Leslie's right side of her head was bleeding extensively 308 00:19:21,559 --> 00:19:24,480 with a massive open wound there, 309 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,359 and the skull was caved in partly. 310 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,359 Looking like two blows to the head, at least. 311 00:19:33,519 --> 00:19:37,759 And in addition to that, she had injuries on her face 312 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:39,319 and on her neck. 313 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,720 She had bruising on her arms. 314 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,880 She had injuries on her fingers with bruising. 315 00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:48,480 The type of wound that she had, the amount 316 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:53,119 of fracturing of the skull, and the other injuries 317 00:19:53,279 --> 00:19:59,359 that are present on the body all point to inflicted injury, 318 00:19:59,519 --> 00:20:02,039 as opposed to just tripping and falling. 319 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,279 But other details documented 320 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,039 at the scene of Leslie's death also raised 321 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,640 questions about Bob's story. 322 00:20:13,799 --> 00:20:16,720 She was laying on the floor of her bedroom, 323 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:22,319 face up, and had been scooched into an area between the end 324 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:23,759 table and the bed. 325 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,480 So not a really ideal position for CPR. 326 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,640 But why a physician would choose 327 00:20:29,799 --> 00:20:33,400 to carry an injured person, who potentially 328 00:20:33,559 --> 00:20:39,000 could have a neck injury, 60 feet to perform CPR? 329 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:43,079 Certainly, it's suggestive of a concern. 330 00:20:44,759 --> 00:20:46,599 But in addition to that, there were 331 00:20:46,759 --> 00:20:51,960 blood trails going all the way from the bed to the shower. 332 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,599 And not much per se in the shower itself, 333 00:20:55,759 --> 00:20:59,960 even though that was the purported area of the fall. 334 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:04,480 The manner of death being called an accident 335 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,160 didn't capture what really happened to Leslie. 336 00:21:07,319 --> 00:21:10,559 That she had head trauma, certainly, but was 337 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,200 not consistent with a fall. 338 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,759 She had been struck in the head, and it was a homicide. 339 00:21:20,799 --> 00:21:22,960 Mary took her findings to William, 340 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:24,680 and he requested a search warrant 341 00:21:24,839 --> 00:21:26,000 for the Neulander's home. 342 00:21:27,559 --> 00:21:30,160 Around six months after Leslie's death, 343 00:21:30,319 --> 00:21:32,920 Mary, William, and forensic pathologist 344 00:21:33,079 --> 00:21:36,079 Dr. Baden visited the house, which they were 345 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,519 now viewing as a crime scene. 346 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:40,799 The house had been sold, 347 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,799 but the new owners hadn't moved in yet. 348 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:44,960 And the second floor was still untouched. 349 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:46,079 And we wanted 350 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:50,359 to focus on the area in the bedroom 351 00:21:50,519 --> 00:21:54,920 where Dr. Neulander claims he took Leslie after he removed 352 00:21:55,079 --> 00:21:56,720 her body from the shower. 353 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,400 Most of the blood on the wall had been cleaned away, 354 00:21:59,559 --> 00:22:02,799 but several things of incredible importance remained. 355 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,240 So we ripped up the carpet, and there's a little rubber 356 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,319 undercarriage to the carpet. 357 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,559 That was completely soaked with blood. 358 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,880 And then when we lifted that up, 359 00:22:16,039 --> 00:22:19,960 the floorboard, completely soaked with blood. 360 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:21,559 It should have been a minimal amount of blood 361 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,640 because she had no pulse. 362 00:22:23,799 --> 00:22:28,200 In fact, there was a massive amount of blood completely 363 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,079 inconsistent with his story. 364 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,640 What that indicates to me is that while she's alive and 365 00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:37,839 has a pulse and is bleeding, her head 366 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,480 is somewhere in that vicinity. 367 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,240 The other amazing thing that we were 368 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,480 able to get from that examination was the headboard. 369 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,440 Now, it is very, very difficult to see any physical evidence 370 00:22:51,599 --> 00:22:54,759 on the board because it's a cloth-like material 371 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,000 and it's very, very dark. 372 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:03,079 And then when we examined that, there were several dozen 373 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,960 blood spatters from Leslie. 374 00:23:10,319 --> 00:23:11,799 The new evidence discovered 375 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,400 at the Neulanders home was sent away for forensic analysis. 376 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:17,960 I knew Leslie's death 377 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:19,599 wasn't an accident when I looked 378 00:23:19,759 --> 00:23:21,079 at the pictures of her body. 379 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,559 The scene was corroborative with the findings there. 380 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,119 This is a homicide. 381 00:23:28,279 --> 00:23:32,119 This is not a fall from standing height accident. 382 00:23:33,759 --> 00:23:36,079 Six months after Leslie's death, 383 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,039 her case was now a full-blown murder investigation, 384 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,559 but her death certificate remained an issue. 385 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,720 It would be very difficult to ask a jury 386 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,599 to convict someone beyond a reasonable doubt of a homicide 387 00:23:49,759 --> 00:23:52,359 when your medical examiner says, hold on, 388 00:23:52,519 --> 00:23:54,119 she died as a result of an accident. 389 00:23:55,599 --> 00:23:57,559 William and Mary presented their findings 390 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,440 to the medical examiner, Dr. Stoppacher, 391 00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:03,839 to ask if he would reconsider the manner of Leslie's death. 392 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,039 We discussed our difference of opinion 393 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,079 and discussed the science behind it, 394 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,319 and talked about wounding patterns and 395 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,480 what happens to the brain in a fall versus blows to the head. 396 00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:19,960 And at the end of that, I think the medical examiner 397 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:21,039 felt they needed more. 398 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,519 They needed more information. 399 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:27,240 They needed more opinion in order to budge 400 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,680 from the concept of the fall. 401 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,039 So we decided that the expertise 402 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,599 of a neuropathologist, and particularly 403 00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:43,839 a forensic neuropathologist, would be useful to elucidate 404 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,640 this difference of opinion. 405 00:24:52,079 --> 00:24:55,319 In December 2013, while William awaited 406 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,920 the forensic neuropathologist report, 407 00:24:58,079 --> 00:25:00,400 he approached Bob's lawyer with a request 408 00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:02,119 for a formal interview. 409 00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:04,480 Robert said that he had nothing to hide, 410 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,599 so he voluntarily sat down for an interview 411 00:25:07,759 --> 00:25:09,839 with officers and the district attorney. 412 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,480 During the questioning, 413 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,119 he admitted that there was difficulty in their marriage. 414 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,240 William soon turned his questioning to the day 415 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:51,839 that Leslie died. 416 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,240 He says that he got up that morning, 417 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,759 that he went jogging. 418 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,279 He came back, prepared a cup of coffee for his wife. 419 00:26:16,079 --> 00:26:17,680 He cleaned up from jogging, 420 00:26:17,839 --> 00:26:20,559 then began to make a small breakfast, 421 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,359 then goes back upstairs. 422 00:26:22,519 --> 00:26:24,200 The shower is still running. 423 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,200 Now she's been in there, according to him, at least 424 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,599 35 minutes at that point. 425 00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:34,319 He claims that he goes into the bathroom to see if she's OK. 426 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,000 This is a doctor of 30 years. 427 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,799 What's the first thing you would do if you had never 428 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,839 even seen a medical school? 429 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,160 There's a phone 5 feet away from them 430 00:27:43,319 --> 00:27:45,440 on the counter of the bathroom sink. 431 00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:46,680 Pick up the phone. 432 00:27:46,839 --> 00:27:48,079 Call 911. 433 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,160 Instead, he leaves her there. 434 00:27:51,319 --> 00:27:53,640 He does a cursory check to see if she's alive. 435 00:27:53,799 --> 00:27:55,680 Claims that she's breathing. 436 00:27:55,839 --> 00:27:59,119 Goes about 90 feet further into the house to get 437 00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:01,559 his daughter to call 911. 438 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,400 Bob claimed he then carried 439 00:28:05,559 --> 00:28:09,319 Leslie from the bathroom into the bedroom to continue CPR. 440 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,839 I then simply slid over to him 441 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,000 a number of photographs. 442 00:28:18,079 --> 00:28:22,039 And said, Dr. Neulander, can you explain this? 443 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,400 Can you explain the blood? 444 00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:25,920 And he looked at me, and he said, no, I can't. 445 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,559 Despite Bob's calm, matter-of-fact account 446 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,079 of the events surrounding Leslie's death, 447 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,519 William wasn't convinced by his story. 448 00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:39,480 My theory that he attacked her 449 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,480 in the bedroom and left her, probably to die on the floor 450 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,960 while he's trying to figure out what to do. 451 00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:51,880 This is not a premeditated crime. 452 00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:53,640 He did not plot this out. 453 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,000 This was a rage homicide. 454 00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,119 Something snapped. 455 00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:01,920 They argued about something. 456 00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:04,200 Whatever it was, it set him off. 457 00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:06,240 And then he's faced with an opportunity. 458 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,480 Now, what do I do? 459 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,480 The only thing I can say to describe that wound 460 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,640 is that she fell in the shower. 461 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,079 But if Bob had murdered Leslie in the bedroom, 462 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,960 the one thing that didn't add up 463 00:29:23,119 --> 00:29:25,599 was why the bed sheets weren't covered in blood. 464 00:29:28,039 --> 00:29:30,720 Before questioning Bob, police had interviewed 465 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,519 the Neulander's housekeeper. 466 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,480 The housekeeper says, 467 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,240 I changed the sheets on Friday, and 468 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,440 Leslie was killed on a Monday. 469 00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:43,519 She looks at the photos and says, 470 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,400 those are not the sheets that I put on the bed on Friday. 471 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,839 And she says, by the way, there's a pillow missing. 472 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,559 There's only three pillows there. 473 00:29:57,319 --> 00:29:59,839 So when he was asked about the pillows, 474 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,640 oh, we didn't have a pillow in a guest room, 475 00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:06,039 and we needed a pillow for that. 476 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,759 Well, who is that for? 477 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,480 Well, people were coming over. 478 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,599 Oh, yeah, people were coming over after she was dead. 479 00:30:13,759 --> 00:30:15,880 The pillow was missing before she was dead, Doc, 480 00:30:16,039 --> 00:30:17,279 what are you talking about? 481 00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:20,799 There's no question in my mind that the original sheets 482 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,839 that she left on that bed Friday were on that bed 483 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,480 Monday morning when Leslie was assaulted. 484 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,720 And then soaked with blood, he removed 485 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,720 the sheets, removed the pillow that probably had blood on it 486 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,119 as well, removed the murder weapon. 487 00:30:36,279 --> 00:30:38,440 And then while he went for his supposed jog, 488 00:30:38,599 --> 00:30:43,079 he was actually going out to dispose of those items. 489 00:30:47,319 --> 00:30:49,519 With missing bed sheets and no murder weapon, 490 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,559 investigators couldn't determine what 491 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,960 had been used to kill Leslie. 492 00:30:54,119 --> 00:30:56,559 And with her death still ruled accidental, 493 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,960 police remained unable to charge Bob with her murder. 494 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,400 Then, 18 months after Leslie's death, 495 00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:07,039 came the news they've been waiting for. 496 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,720 The neuropathology report, 497 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,759 an evaluation of the brain, indicated 498 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,519 it was inflicted injury, allowed 499 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,519 the medical examiner to be able to change the death 500 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,160 certificate to homicide. 501 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,799 The size the wound, combined 502 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,240 with the discovery of distinctive bruising 503 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,839 on the opposite side of Leslie's brain, 504 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,839 was consistent with being hit by an object, 505 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,240 not with a fall from standing height. 506 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,400 Based on the accumulation of evidence, 507 00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:42,039 Dr. Stoppacher changed, not the cause of death, 508 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,519 but the manner of death. 509 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,000 Cause of death was still a massive blow to the head, 510 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,599 but the manner of death was now listed as homicide. 511 00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:51,160 That was it. 512 00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:54,400 There were no more avenues of escape for Dr. Neulander. 513 00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:57,119 Three days later, on June 23, 514 00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:01,160 Dr. Robert Neulander is charged with second degree murder 515 00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:03,880 and tampering with physical evidence. 516 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,839 On March 16, 2015, 2 and 1/2 years after Leslie 517 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,920 Neulander was found dead at her home in Syracuse, New York, 518 00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:21,240 her husband, Dr. Robert Neulander, 519 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,920 went on trial for her murder. 520 00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:26,599 Big trials are part theater, 521 00:32:26,759 --> 00:32:31,039 and no one knew that better than Bob Neulander. 522 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,599 Every day we would watch this litany of him walking 523 00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:37,920 down the courthouse hallway. 524 00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:41,440 And he'd have his daughter, his son, 525 00:32:41,599 --> 00:32:44,599 or, in some instances, Leslie's sister, 526 00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:46,200 consoling him as he walked. 527 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:50,920 It might look unusual 528 00:32:51,079 --> 00:32:53,400 that the family of the victim are 529 00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:56,279 seemingly siding with the accused perpetrator. 530 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,200 But you've got to remember, at this time, 531 00:32:58,359 --> 00:33:01,680 the family do not have all the evidence that Mary has 532 00:33:01,839 --> 00:33:03,359 or that the DA office have. 533 00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:06,480 They have not been subject to all of that information yet. 534 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,839 And so at the moment, naturally, 535 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,799 a family going through a traumatic period 536 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,039 are rallying together. 537 00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:15,640 You've also got to remember from the perspective 538 00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:18,720 of the children, they've just lost their mother in really 539 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,599 traumatic circumstances. 540 00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:24,079 And if they believe that their father did this, 541 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,480 they're also, in a way, losing their father. 542 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,680 So you can understand why people group together 543 00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:30,359 in this moment, because they're just 544 00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:33,559 trying to protect the little sort of normality 545 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,000 of their family unit. 546 00:33:37,079 --> 00:33:39,640 The prosecution argued that Leslie's death 547 00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:42,200 was no bathroom accident. 548 00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:46,680 Instead, that she was murdered in the bedroom by her husband, 549 00:33:46,839 --> 00:33:49,200 as proven by forensic evidence. 550 00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:52,039 There's blood spatter on the wall 551 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,799 and on the ceiling from an object 552 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,640 being struck on Leslie's head. 553 00:33:57,799 --> 00:34:01,279 And then when it comes back for another strike, 554 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,799 it gets cast off on the wall, in the ceiling. 555 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,359 There are blood droplets 556 00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:12,000 on the lampshade, on the clock radio, on family photos, 557 00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:15,519 on the headboard, on the blinds to, say, 558 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:18,840 nothing of the blood in the bathroom. 559 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,760 Here's the explanation they come up with. 560 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,880 So he went out for a jog, came home, showered up, 561 00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:35,559 put his pajamas on, and then put another pajama top on, 562 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,320 for some reason. 563 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,000 And when he was carrying Leslie, 564 00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:43,119 that top became saturated with blood. 565 00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:50,039 He took the shirt off because it was uncomfortable for him. 566 00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:56,599 And this blood cast off and spattered at various points 567 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,000 throughout the bedroom. 568 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:03,360 Secondarily, when the EMTs got there, 569 00:35:03,519 --> 00:35:06,880 as they removed their gloves, they removed 570 00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:09,079 them slingshot fashion. 571 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,599 And that spattered a lot of blood throughout as well. 572 00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:17,800 Now there's two significant difficulties with both 573 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,400 of those explanations. 574 00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:23,480 Number one, no one saw him with a second shirt. 575 00:35:23,639 --> 00:35:26,000 The second thing is that the EMTs were all 576 00:35:26,159 --> 00:35:28,079 very professional, and they are trained 577 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:29,920 on how to remove a glove to avoid 578 00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:31,880 exactly this type of issue. 579 00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:34,480 In addition to that, they also indicated, we hardly 580 00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:36,679 had any blood on our gloves that we noticed 581 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,280 because she wasn't bleeding. 582 00:35:41,559 --> 00:35:44,360 The prosecution also argued that Leslie's head 583 00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:47,840 injuries were not caused by an impact in the shower 584 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,639 as Bob had claimed. 585 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,159 On the right side of the head, 586 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,280 the skull injury is caved in partly 587 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,519 in a pattern that is not consistent with hitting 588 00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:02,119 the edge of a marble bench. 589 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,320 In addition, it appears there's two blows 590 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,760 on that side of the head. 591 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,360 So both of those things don't line up 592 00:36:11,519 --> 00:36:13,000 with the stone bench theory. 593 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,400 If you leave aside 594 00:36:15,559 --> 00:36:17,400 the medical evidence, the blood spatter, 595 00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:21,559 I thought the most significant part was calling 596 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:22,920 the daughter to the stand. 597 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,480 The daughter was called as a witness. 598 00:36:27,639 --> 00:36:31,880 And the 911 call was played in the courtroom. 599 00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:42,960 What was chilling in the courtroom 600 00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:47,920 was that the family is there listening 601 00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:51,159 to the daughter's 911 call. 602 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,440 And it's just heartbreaking because you 603 00:36:55,599 --> 00:37:01,840 can feel the pain that the daughter feels when she first 604 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:07,039 sees her mother being carried by her father, 605 00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:12,039 and the terror in her voice, the sadness, the angst. 606 00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:20,199 The problem was that perception of events 607 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,079 just didn't stack up to the facts. 608 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,079 One of the most crucial pieces of evidence 609 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,719 for the prosecution was the moment Leslie's daughter placed 610 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,800 the 911 call on hold, leaving her mother's office 611 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,559 to head toward the bathroom, where 612 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,440 she claimed Leslie was lying. 613 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:46,719 When quizzed about the 12-second 614 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,119 gap between switching phones, her story fell apart. 615 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:52,599 Her story had 616 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,639 changed significantly at trial in this very, 617 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,599 very important regard. 618 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,079 Yes, I went into the room with a bidet and the toilet, 619 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:03,599 and I picked up the phone. 620 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,639 But it wasn't working, so I dropped that phone. 621 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,800 I then assisted my father in removing 622 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,199 my mother from the shower. 623 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,519 We then took her a couple of feet. 624 00:38:16,679 --> 00:38:19,760 We laid her down outside of the bathroom. 625 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,599 My dad began to perform CPR. 626 00:38:24,039 --> 00:38:26,199 It didn't seem to be successful, 627 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:31,000 so we moved her again further into the bedroom 628 00:38:31,159 --> 00:38:33,639 and dropped her just short of the bed. 629 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,440 I then went, remembering that the 911 630 00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:38,559 operator was still on hold. 631 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,880 I picked up the phone, and I don't remember what I said, 632 00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:44,760 but I can hear the tape and I understand that. 633 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,519 None of that is remotely possible. 634 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,599 You cannot do everything that she claims that she did in 12 635 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:59,719 seconds, which was the amount of time between the 911 636 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:01,199 operator being put on hold. 637 00:39:04,199 --> 00:39:05,559 And the, oh, my god, 638 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,679 there's blood everywhere, resumption of that call. 639 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,880 It would have taken conservatively a minute 640 00:39:13,039 --> 00:39:15,440 to do everything that she claims that she 641 00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:17,639 did do in that 12 seconds. 642 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,119 Her statement 643 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,960 has some really contradictory points the evidence 644 00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:23,760 can prove a false. 645 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,199 But you also have to remember that she has witnessed 646 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:27,679 something really traumatic, you know, 647 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,960 her mother dying in heinous circumstances. 648 00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:33,480 And so trauma can do really strange 649 00:39:33,639 --> 00:39:35,280 things to a person's memory. 650 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,320 So it might not be that she intentionally misleading 651 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,280 or proposing false information. 652 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,360 It might just be that, actually, she 653 00:39:42,519 --> 00:39:44,519 can't remember exact details. 654 00:39:44,679 --> 00:39:48,199 After she testified, the case was done. 655 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,800 After two weeks of hearing evidence, 656 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,760 the jury retired to deliberate. 657 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,320 The worst part of a trial 658 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:01,719 is waiting for a verdict. 659 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,519 And you always feel the same way. 660 00:40:03,679 --> 00:40:05,280 You put your heart and soul into the case. 661 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,159 In some cases, you feel more confident than others. 662 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:14,400 I was nervous because juries are very earnest, 663 00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:16,719 and they try very hard to do the right thing. 664 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,519 But it doesn't always come out as a forensic professional 665 00:40:20,679 --> 00:40:22,280 might think it would. 666 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,079 After three days of deliberation, 667 00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,000 the jury returned their verdicts. 668 00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:34,840 They found Robert Neulander guilty of second degree murder 669 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,239 and tampering with evidence. 670 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,400 Everybody in this case was resolute. 671 00:40:39,559 --> 00:40:41,400 They knew that he did it, and they felt comfortable 672 00:40:41,559 --> 00:40:42,400 with their verdict. 673 00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:43,719 And I felt great. 674 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,400 I was just professionally satisfied 675 00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:47,800 that justice was done. 676 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,360 Four months later, he appeared in court. 677 00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:56,280 And Robert Neulander was sentenced to 20 years to life. 678 00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:01,920 Bob was facing incarceration 679 00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:03,719 for the rest of his life. 680 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,760 But his defense team appealed and argued for a retrial, 681 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,000 citing serious juror misconduct. 682 00:41:11,159 --> 00:41:13,159 An alternate juror pointed out 683 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,719 that they believed 1 of the 12 actual jurors 684 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,599 had been involved in something. 685 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,440 So the judge ordered examination 686 00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:21,840 of this juror's phone. 687 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,800 This investigation found that this juror had sent over 7,000 688 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,440 messages during this three-week period 689 00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:36,199 to family and friends talking about the criminal trial. 690 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:37,880 And this was in direct violation 691 00:41:38,039 --> 00:41:40,000 of the judge's instructions for jurors 692 00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:43,159 not to discuss the case with outside sources 693 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,880 or to get information from anywhere else. 694 00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:49,039 And these messages included one from her father, 695 00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:51,800 saying, make sure he is found guilty. 696 00:41:53,199 --> 00:41:55,840 And she failed to disclose this to the court. 697 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,679 The outcome of all of this was that in June 2018, 698 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,800 the conviction was vacated. 699 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,000 It was annulled as if the trial and conviction never happened. 700 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,679 Robert was released on $1 million 701 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,119 bail until the retrial could take place. 702 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,679 They hired a very good guy, very good 703 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,880 lawyer out of New York City. 704 00:42:20,039 --> 00:42:23,599 And we began to prepare for trial number two. 705 00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:29,039 On February 28, 2022, almost 706 00:42:29,199 --> 00:42:32,880 10 years after Leslie's death, the retrial began. 707 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:35,679 I thought another group of jurors 708 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,880 presented with these same information 709 00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:39,760 would see it the same way. 710 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,920 But, again, you never know until it's 711 00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:44,480 all the way through the trial. 712 00:42:44,639 --> 00:42:46,519 The jury, to our amazement, 713 00:42:46,679 --> 00:42:49,599 five hours after they retired, they came back 714 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,280 in with a verdict of guilty. 715 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,320 And I feel great about that. 716 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,400 When I heard the verdict of guilty 717 00:42:56,559 --> 00:43:00,280 for the second trial, it was just, oh, thank goodness. 718 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,559 I hope the family can try to move on in some way now. 719 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,559 Because they really are carrying 720 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,239 a huge burden with them. 721 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,840 On May 2, 2022, Bob was sentenced to 20 years 722 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,360 to life for the second time. 723 00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:19,960 Thanks, not only to the prosecution team, 724 00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:23,440 but also Leslie's friend, former medical examiner 725 00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:24,559 Mary Jumbelic. 726 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,760 I took Leslie's message-- 727 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,199 look what happened to me. 728 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,400 And I gave it to people who needed to hear that. 729 00:43:33,559 --> 00:43:36,679 And, yes, I do feel proud of it, 730 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:41,079 but I also feel like it was a fulfilling of, 731 00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,760 you know, what has always been my calling, 732 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,639 which was to do that for the dead. 733 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,679 I remember Leslie for her lightheartedness 734 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:56,280 and her kindness and her humor. 735 00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,039 But I remember her in death, too, 736 00:43:59,199 --> 00:44:01,800 because it has helped other women who maybe are trapped 737 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:07,400 in situations with spouses or have 738 00:44:07,559 --> 00:44:09,199 experienced domestic violence. 739 00:44:10,519 --> 00:44:12,880 She was important in the community, 740 00:44:13,039 --> 00:44:16,400 but she was just important on a personal level 741 00:44:16,559 --> 00:44:18,920 of how she made others feel. 742 00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:24,920 And I think those that knew her should think of that 743 00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:26,480 and remember her. 58612

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