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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,519 --> 00:00:12,119 A fatal fall from a remote mountain trail. 2 00:00:17,879 --> 00:00:20,679 A young woman's life erased in an instant. 3 00:00:20,839 --> 00:00:23,640 When I found out, I practically collapsed 4 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:24,960 on the floor right there. 5 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:26,480 Was it just a tragic accident-- 6 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:28,719 Steve's account of what had happened 7 00:00:28,879 --> 00:00:31,839 was that Rhonda had slipped and fallen because she was 8 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,520 pretending to be Supergirl. 9 00:00:33,679 --> 00:00:35,320 - or could the prosecution-- 10 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,520 One, two, three. 11 00:00:38,679 --> 00:00:41,000 - prove it was murder? 12 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,200 If she ran off the edge, 13 00:00:43,359 --> 00:00:45,799 she would never have landed that far from the cliff. 14 00:01:07,159 --> 00:01:10,120 Everybody needs to have someone in their life 15 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,799 that believes in them. 16 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:14,560 And that was Rhonda. 17 00:01:16,159 --> 00:01:20,120 Rhonda Casto was born in 1985, in Texas, 18 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,159 and she was known for being attractive woman. 19 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,120 She had a really outgoing, bubbly personality. 20 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,760 Friends and family described Rhonda as just so 21 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:30,920 easygoing, great to be around. 22 00:01:31,079 --> 00:01:33,120 She had this really infectious personality 23 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,040 and she was really fiercely loyal about the people 24 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:37,680 that she loved. 25 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:42,040 Rhonda was a very loving, caring, non-judgmental person. 26 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,840 Really kind of goofy sense of humor like mine. 27 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,719 Very outspoken, super loyal to her friends and family. 28 00:01:48,879 --> 00:01:50,480 You know, it's cliche to say it, but it's true, 29 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:51,480 she's my best friend. 30 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:52,599 You know, we were close. 31 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,079 She's the type of person who lights up a room or energy 32 00:01:57,239 --> 00:01:58,519 when she comes into a room. 33 00:02:01,359 --> 00:02:04,599 20-year-old Rhonda moved to the Portland, Oregon 34 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:06,560 area with her mom, Julia. 35 00:02:06,719 --> 00:02:09,199 The two had a really close relationship. 36 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,360 Julia was looking to move house and 37 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,560 she saw an ad online for a man advertising his spare room 38 00:02:15,719 --> 00:02:17,240 in his three-bedroom house. 39 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,080 And that's how she found Steve. 40 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,199 Not long after Julia moved in, 41 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,000 she introduced her daughter to Steve. 42 00:02:26,159 --> 00:02:28,560 She thought that the pair would get on really well, and before 43 00:02:28,719 --> 00:02:30,199 long, they were an item. 44 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,159 Steve, he had the ability to be very charming. 45 00:02:34,319 --> 00:02:36,879 He's well-spoken, physically fit, 46 00:02:37,039 --> 00:02:39,919 and he shared a lot of similar interests. 47 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,120 I think that there was genuine attraction there. 48 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,240 It seems that Steve had all of the attributes 49 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:47,800 that Rhonda was looking for, and 50 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,439 he was willing to really splash the cash on her 51 00:02:50,599 --> 00:02:52,000 and impress her. 52 00:02:52,159 --> 00:02:54,960 On the night that she had first went on a date with 53 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,400 Steve, she came home and she had this little-- dainty 54 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,039 little tennis bracelet on. 55 00:03:00,199 --> 00:03:01,039 You could tell it was real. 56 00:03:01,199 --> 00:03:02,280 It was-- it was nice. 57 00:03:02,439 --> 00:03:03,599 I mean, not like $1 million bracelet, 58 00:03:03,759 --> 00:03:05,680 but certainly, you know-- within, you know, 59 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:07,360 low four-figure range. 60 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,840 Rhonda then moved in with Steve, 61 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,319 and eventually the two moved out 62 00:03:11,479 --> 00:03:12,800 and got their own apartment. 63 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,039 Three years later, Rhonda was pregnant, 64 00:03:15,199 --> 00:03:17,719 and in 2008 they had a baby daughter. 65 00:03:19,319 --> 00:03:22,000 She doted on her daughter. 66 00:03:22,159 --> 00:03:23,719 It's hard to put into words. 67 00:03:23,879 --> 00:03:26,080 She was meant to be a mom. 68 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,960 Her daughter was her world. 69 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,319 Our childhood was not the greatest, 70 00:03:31,479 --> 00:03:33,000 and so she wanted for her daughter 71 00:03:33,159 --> 00:03:35,159 to have all those things that we didn't have. 72 00:03:35,319 --> 00:03:38,479 You know, the structure, the stability, the parent 73 00:03:38,639 --> 00:03:40,680 to dote on them and show them the way 74 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:42,479 and how to make it in the world. 75 00:03:42,639 --> 00:03:44,879 This is what she'd been waiting for. 76 00:03:45,039 --> 00:03:47,759 And she really grew into that role as a mother. 77 00:03:47,919 --> 00:03:50,319 Before starting a family with Steve, 78 00:03:50,479 --> 00:03:54,000 Rhonda was a rising star on the Portland modeling scene. 79 00:03:54,159 --> 00:03:57,520 Rhonda was a beautiful woman, really naturally attractive. 80 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,560 She actually did get involved with a modeling agency, 81 00:04:00,719 --> 00:04:03,479 and she had a portfolio and headshots and all that stuff. 82 00:04:03,639 --> 00:04:05,840 And she had a really successful career 83 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,080 modeling for brands like Nike. 84 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,400 After giving birth, Rhonda was really keen to get 85 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,000 back to her modeling jobs. 86 00:04:12,159 --> 00:04:13,599 She had a potential job lined up 87 00:04:13,759 --> 00:04:15,879 as a Maria Sharapova lookalike, so she really 88 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:17,959 wanted to get back into shape. 89 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,000 Steve was telling his friends that Rhonda 90 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:21,959 was keen to lose some of her baby weight 91 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,319 to bounce back into her job, and so they'd 92 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,399 talked about going hiking. 93 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:27,800 But Rhonda believed there 94 00:04:27,959 --> 00:04:30,079 might be another reason for their hiking trip 95 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:31,560 into the mountains. 96 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,199 I remember Rhonda telling us about it. 97 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,040 He's going to propose to me. 98 00:04:36,199 --> 00:04:38,480 And they had literally looked at rings, 99 00:04:38,639 --> 00:04:42,279 and so she was legitimately excited about this hike. 100 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:48,399 On March 16, 2009, Rhonda and Steve 101 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,519 set off on a hike on the Eagle Creek Trail 102 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,800 in Oregon's Columbia River Gorge. 103 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,399 It's an area that local investigator 104 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,279 Dardie Robinson, who's lived in Oregon for more than 20 years, 105 00:05:02,439 --> 00:05:03,839 knows well. 106 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,360 The Columbia River Gorge is a beautiful historic and 107 00:05:07,519 --> 00:05:09,439 natural scenic area. 108 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:14,319 It's known for rugged terrain, gorgeous views, sudden weather 109 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:19,680 changes, and it's quite desired by hikers, climbers, anyone who 110 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,040 loves to go out and recreate. 111 00:05:22,199 --> 00:05:24,399 The Eagle Creek Trail quickly goes 112 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,920 from being no elevation up to a couple of hundred feet 113 00:05:29,079 --> 00:05:30,839 at places above the creek. 114 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,360 Eagle Creek Trail is known for having 115 00:05:33,519 --> 00:05:35,160 really narrow pathways. 116 00:05:35,319 --> 00:05:37,439 Some of them you can only go one at a time, 117 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,800 and there's some sheer drops of up to 150 feet. 118 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,240 It's considered to be advanced because, you know, 119 00:05:45,399 --> 00:05:48,360 the drop offs and there's places where there's 120 00:05:48,519 --> 00:05:51,360 not guardrails, but just rope. 121 00:05:51,519 --> 00:05:53,160 It's beautiful, but also very dangerous, 122 00:05:53,319 --> 00:05:54,639 especially if you're not familiar with it 123 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,759 or not extra careful and know what you're doing. 124 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,279 The weather started out pleasant that day, 125 00:06:00,439 --> 00:06:02,360 but then things took a bit of a turn. 126 00:06:02,519 --> 00:06:05,160 It really started to pour down with rain, 127 00:06:05,319 --> 00:06:08,120 and the conditions became quite treacherous. 128 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:09,959 As the bad weather closed 129 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:14,000 in on the couple's remote hike, at 6:09 PM, 130 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:15,920 a frantic call was made. 131 00:06:34,079 --> 00:06:37,959 He said that he tried to call 911, but there was no service. 132 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,000 So then he'd had to climb back up again to make the call. 133 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,680 Around 20 minutes after Steve made the 911 call, 134 00:07:09,839 --> 00:07:12,160 first responders and police arrived. 135 00:07:12,319 --> 00:07:14,319 They found Rhonda's body, and they pronounced 136 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:15,560 her dead at the scene. 137 00:07:18,399 --> 00:07:19,920 On the same evening, Rhonda's family 138 00:07:20,079 --> 00:07:21,720 started to become concerned. 139 00:07:21,879 --> 00:07:24,560 Her mom, Julia, was babysitting their daughter, 140 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,680 and she hadn't heard from Rhonda for hours. 141 00:07:26,839 --> 00:07:27,839 I thought it was weird 142 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,279 that she wasn't answering her phone, 143 00:07:29,439 --> 00:07:31,600 so I just figured, oh, they're out of service. 144 00:07:31,759 --> 00:07:34,560 But as afternoon turned into early evening, 145 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,199 I started getting really concerned. 146 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:37,800 This is not typical. 147 00:07:37,959 --> 00:07:39,839 Like, she wouldn't want to leave their daughter that long. 148 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:41,800 Family members were calling. 149 00:07:41,959 --> 00:07:44,639 They were texting Rhonda, and they really started to get 150 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,800 alarmed as the hours went on. 151 00:07:46,959 --> 00:07:49,680 Around 8:00 PM, there was a knock at the door. 152 00:07:49,839 --> 00:07:53,040 A local chaplain had been sent by the fire service 153 00:07:53,199 --> 00:07:56,160 and he told Julia that her daughter was gone. 154 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,759 Meanwhile, Rhonda's brother, 155 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:03,199 Jeff, was still awaiting news on his sister's whereabouts. 156 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:04,720 Once it got past dark, 157 00:08:04,879 --> 00:08:06,560 I was starting to feel kind of panicky, 158 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:12,800 and so I called my mom again and my mom's boyfriend answers, 159 00:08:12,959 --> 00:08:15,319 and I was like, did you guys get a hold of her? 160 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:16,519 And he's like, yep, it's done. 161 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:17,639 And I was like, what do you mean? 162 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:18,759 What's done? 163 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:19,680 He's like, done, dude, she's dead. 164 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:23,920 Like, that's literally how he told me. 165 00:08:24,079 --> 00:08:25,399 No exaggeration. 166 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,439 And I just collapsed. 167 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,600 You know, I didn't pass out, but I just dropped the phone 168 00:08:30,759 --> 00:08:32,600 and was like, oh my god, you know what I mean? 169 00:08:32,759 --> 00:08:34,000 I was just stunned. 170 00:08:34,159 --> 00:08:37,080 I didn't know what to say or do or whatever. 171 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,559 Steve also phoned his family with the tragic news 172 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:42,120 about Rhonda. 173 00:08:42,279 --> 00:08:45,759 Steve Nichols called his own father to break the news 174 00:08:45,919 --> 00:08:47,320 about what had happened. 175 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,440 He was so overwhelmed with emotion and floods of tears 176 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,559 that his dad could barely understand what he was saying. 177 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,679 He was hysterical at this point, saying, Rhonda's dead, 178 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:57,960 she's fallen. 179 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,720 She slipped on ice and fell off the edge. 180 00:09:00,879 --> 00:09:02,879 Reeling from the devastating news 181 00:09:03,039 --> 00:09:05,759 about his sister, Jeff headed over to his 182 00:09:05,919 --> 00:09:07,519 and Rhonda's mother's house. 183 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,879 Everybody was there, and she had Rhonda's daughter, 184 00:09:12,039 --> 00:09:16,440 and I was trying to focus on being 185 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,960 strategic and staying level-headed because everyone 186 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:20,080 was super upset. 187 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:21,480 They were just distraught. 188 00:09:21,639 --> 00:09:23,720 I mean, they were in disbelief. 189 00:09:23,879 --> 00:09:26,559 And so the sheriff's department came 190 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,159 and was telling us a little bit about what had happened. 191 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,799 Yeah, that was, uh, how I found out that night. 192 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:44,879 In March 2009, after Rhonda Casto had fallen 150 193 00:09:45,039 --> 00:09:48,720 to her death while hiking with her partner Steve Nichols, 194 00:09:48,879 --> 00:09:51,799 Steve talked to police about what had happened. 195 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,519 Steve's account was that Rhonda had slipped and fallen 196 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,720 because she was running around pretending to be Supergirl 197 00:09:58,879 --> 00:10:00,399 with a towel around her neck. 198 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,080 But other aspects of Steve's story 199 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:04,960 began to arouse suspicion. 200 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,120 His calm demeanor, the way 201 00:10:07,279 --> 00:10:10,000 he was answering questions about what happened on the day 202 00:10:10,159 --> 00:10:13,320 and in the build-up just weren't quite adding up. 203 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,279 After Rhonda had fallen, it took Steve an hour 204 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,879 and a half to make the call to 911. 205 00:10:20,039 --> 00:10:22,759 Steve said that it took him over an hour to scramble 206 00:10:22,919 --> 00:10:25,360 down to where Rhonda's body was, 207 00:10:25,519 --> 00:10:27,879 and then he began mouth-to-mouth resuscitation 208 00:10:28,039 --> 00:10:29,279 on her. 209 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,159 He claimed also that he laid down on top of her 210 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:33,279 and took a nap. 211 00:10:35,039 --> 00:10:36,960 Can this be explained by-- 212 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:38,840 by him being in a state of shock? 213 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,639 In a state of shock, yes, you're 214 00:10:40,799 --> 00:10:43,000 confused, trying to work out what's happening, 215 00:10:43,159 --> 00:10:46,879 but you would also be overwhelmed by the need 216 00:10:47,039 --> 00:10:50,039 to get emergency help as quickly as possible. 217 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,840 The idea that you might just be stuck 218 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,919 in a state of absolute inertia for an hour and a half 219 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,519 when a loved one is desperately needing assistance 220 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:03,120 makes no sense. 221 00:11:03,279 --> 00:11:06,480 Another detail that jumped out about this 911 call was 222 00:11:06,639 --> 00:11:09,559 that Steve seemed more concerned about his own 223 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,639 well-being, that he had deemed Rhonda was already dead, 224 00:11:12,799 --> 00:11:14,519 and he was more concerned about the authorities 225 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:15,919 coming to help him. 226 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,000 Police arriving on the scene 227 00:11:20,159 --> 00:11:24,639 were struck by how Steve seemed to be relatively calm, and 228 00:11:24,799 --> 00:11:27,440 more concerned with needing a blanket for himself 229 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,360 than what had happened to Rhonda. 230 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:36,080 Here we have someone whose focus is utterly egocentric, 231 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,399 even in this moment of Rhonda's death. 232 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,879 He seems to have no sense that he needs even 233 00:11:46,039 --> 00:11:50,960 to pretend to care about other people, let alone genuinely 234 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,240 showing any empathy for the situation. 235 00:11:53,399 --> 00:11:55,879 There's an absence of-- of awareness 236 00:11:56,039 --> 00:11:58,080 of anyone other than himself. 237 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,240 In emergency situations, yes, there's 238 00:12:03,399 --> 00:12:06,440 a self-protective drive that comes to the surface, 239 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:11,919 but more powerful is the drive to protect those that you love. 240 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,840 So this bias he's showing towards his own comfort 241 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,039 rather than what has happened to Rhonda is remarkable. 242 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,120 Another detail that jumped out about this hike that day 243 00:12:23,279 --> 00:12:24,440 were the conditions. 244 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,679 It was horrendous weather. 245 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,519 That time of year is known in the gorge for being 246 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,000 windy, rainy. 247 00:12:32,159 --> 00:12:33,440 There was some ice. 248 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:34,879 Snow can come up suddenly. 249 00:12:35,039 --> 00:12:37,759 Why would this couple go up on a really 250 00:12:37,919 --> 00:12:39,960 advanced hike in such treacherous, 251 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:41,639 dangerous conditions? 252 00:12:42,879 --> 00:12:44,720 Hood River County Police 253 00:12:44,879 --> 00:12:48,720 also had questions over the positioning of Rhonda's body. 254 00:12:48,879 --> 00:12:50,840 When the police arrived, Steve 255 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,000 had claimed that Rhonda's body was right next to the river, 256 00:12:54,159 --> 00:12:57,799 but when they found her, she was around 100 feet away, 257 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:59,720 and it was really hard for them to work out 258 00:12:59,879 --> 00:13:01,519 where exactly she had fallen. 259 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,759 He claimed that he gave her CPR. 260 00:13:04,919 --> 00:13:06,639 Mr. Nichols couldn't have given her 261 00:13:06,799 --> 00:13:10,879 CPR because she was found face down and in no realm, 262 00:13:11,039 --> 00:13:13,879 in no world do you ever give someone CPR face down. 263 00:13:14,039 --> 00:13:16,399 Also, there were no marks or tracks 264 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,240 found near Rhonda's body, and this suggested that her body 265 00:13:19,399 --> 00:13:21,279 hadn't been moved. 266 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,919 Detectives questioned friends and family 267 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,200 about Rhonda and Steve, only to discover 268 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,120 that their relationship had been rocky from the very start. 269 00:13:31,279 --> 00:13:34,759 When her and Steve first went out on an official date-date 270 00:13:34,919 --> 00:13:37,000 with, you know, him and his friends and all that, 271 00:13:37,159 --> 00:13:39,879 he ignored her the whole time, and his 272 00:13:40,039 --> 00:13:42,600 friends picked up on it, and he ended 273 00:13:42,759 --> 00:13:44,480 up making her cry that night. 274 00:13:44,639 --> 00:13:47,159 He just was very condescending. 275 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,120 It was the constant undercurrent of manipulation 276 00:13:51,279 --> 00:13:54,639 and being cold and distant and flirting with other women, 277 00:13:54,799 --> 00:13:56,919 making her cry on dates, ignoring her, 278 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:58,519 being mean to her. 279 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,279 And things only got worse once their daughter was born. 280 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,279 He basically destroyed her identity internally. 281 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:06,519 He broke her down. 282 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,960 I'm aware of maybe two or three times where it got physical. 283 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,480 She actually did send me photos of bruises on her back 284 00:14:15,639 --> 00:14:18,279 from him tackling her at their condo. 285 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,440 And I remember confronting Steve over it, 286 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,000 over the phone, and him basically laughing it away 287 00:14:23,159 --> 00:14:25,320 and saying, oh, well, you know how she gets. 288 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,799 Steve's version of how the relationship was 289 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:29,320 was very different. 290 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,600 He said there was no discontent between the two of them, 291 00:14:31,759 --> 00:14:33,440 and actually, he had been planning 292 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,639 to propose to Rhonda that day. 293 00:14:35,799 --> 00:14:38,759 And when the police questioned him, well, where's the ring? 294 00:14:38,919 --> 00:14:41,720 He suggested maybe it had fallen in the river. 295 00:14:41,879 --> 00:14:43,759 But according to Jeff, 296 00:14:43,919 --> 00:14:47,240 even Rhonda had her doubts about Steve's intentions 297 00:14:47,399 --> 00:14:48,600 on the hike. 298 00:14:48,759 --> 00:14:50,600 The hike was planned at least a week 299 00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:52,039 or two in advance. 300 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,279 It stuck in my mind that Rhonda had said something 301 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:55,720 to me and my grandma. 302 00:14:55,879 --> 00:14:57,519 She said it sort of irreverently, 303 00:14:57,679 --> 00:14:59,360 jokingly-- but she's like, well, you know, 304 00:14:59,519 --> 00:15:03,039 Steve's either going to kill me or he's going to propose to me. 305 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,480 After hearing conflicting reports 306 00:15:08,639 --> 00:15:11,559 about the state of Rhonda and Steve's relationship, 307 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,559 detectives hoped Rhonda's autopsy report would 308 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,600 provide more information. 309 00:15:16,759 --> 00:15:20,000 Two days after her death, Rhonda's autopsy results 310 00:15:20,159 --> 00:15:21,320 were quite surprising. 311 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,360 Rhonda's pelvis was shattered. 312 00:15:24,519 --> 00:15:28,000 This suggests that she had, in fact landed on her feet, 313 00:15:28,159 --> 00:15:29,360 not headfirst. 314 00:15:29,519 --> 00:15:32,320 These autopsy results seemed to support 315 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,799 Steve's version of events that Rhonda had fallen 316 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:37,279 or she jumped. 317 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,200 The injuries didn't show any signs 318 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,279 of an altercation between the two beforehand, 319 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,360 and no signs of foul play. 320 00:15:44,519 --> 00:15:47,440 The autopsy also found traces of marijuana 321 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,679 and some prescription medication in Rhonda's body. 322 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,960 And although Steve had suggested she was acting high, 323 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:55,759 there wasn't enough traces of the drugs 324 00:15:55,919 --> 00:15:58,399 in her system to suggest that she'd been out of control. 325 00:16:00,679 --> 00:16:03,159 The coroner classified Rhonda's cause 326 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,679 of death as multiple blunt force 327 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:10,240 injuries, which were consistent with a fall from over 150 feet. 328 00:16:11,639 --> 00:16:14,840 The manner of death was listed as undetermined. 329 00:16:16,759 --> 00:16:20,240 Police suspected foul play, but without witnesses or 330 00:16:20,399 --> 00:16:24,240 any physical evidence, Rhonda's case stalled and 331 00:16:24,399 --> 00:16:26,360 Steve moved away with their young daughter 332 00:16:26,519 --> 00:16:29,039 to live with his family in Bend, Oregon. 333 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,200 When Steve Nichols moved on with his life, 334 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,399 Rhonda's mother, Julia, was still 335 00:16:34,559 --> 00:16:37,960 convinced that there had been a reason why her daughter died, 336 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,720 and she was convinced that that was because of money. 337 00:16:40,879 --> 00:16:43,879 Julia claimed that Steve had lost a lot of money 338 00:16:44,039 --> 00:16:46,840 in the 2008 financial crash, and 339 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,200 that he was trying to claim some of these funds 340 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,960 back by claiming life insurance money from Rhonda's death. 341 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,480 A few months before Rhonda died, 342 00:16:55,639 --> 00:16:58,679 Steve had taken out life insurance policies for him and 343 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,840 Rhonda, worth $1 million each. 344 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,720 Steve claimed that Rhonda was the one pressuring 345 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,039 him to take out this life insurance, 346 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:09,880 but Rhonda's family disputed this. 347 00:17:10,039 --> 00:17:12,440 They say it was Steve who put the pressure on. 348 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:14,960 I mean, Rhonda wouldn't even have known all the nitty gritty 349 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,400 behind terms and, you know, double indemnity, 350 00:17:18,559 --> 00:17:19,960 accidental death clauses and all that. 351 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,200 So absolutely, Steve was behind the policy. 352 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:26,920 Just 10 days after Rhonda's death, Steve put in a claim 353 00:17:27,079 --> 00:17:28,680 for the life insurance money. 354 00:17:28,839 --> 00:17:31,319 The detectives found this suspicious, 355 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:32,680 so they asked for the money to be 356 00:17:32,839 --> 00:17:35,519 withheld while the investigation was unfolding. 357 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,240 But due to the lack of physical evidence, 358 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:42,599 the case ground to a halt. Over the next two years, 359 00:17:42,759 --> 00:17:46,039 Rhonda's mother grew frustrated at the lack of progress, 360 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,759 and in a bid to stop Steve from claiming the life insurance 361 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,519 money, opened a civil case. 362 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,759 In 2011, Julia contacted a law firm 363 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,000 and she managed to get a really tenacious 364 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:01,240 investigator known as Dardie Robinson, to take on the case. 365 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,240 The primary impetus for me to get involved in this 366 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,440 was that there was a baby of about a year and a half old 367 00:18:07,599 --> 00:18:11,680 who was purportedly in the custody of the man 368 00:18:11,839 --> 00:18:13,359 who had murdered her mother. 369 00:18:14,519 --> 00:18:15,960 That deserved a look. 370 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,680 When Dardie began to investigate Steve's past, 371 00:18:19,839 --> 00:18:20,880 she was astounded. 372 00:18:21,039 --> 00:18:23,119 Nichols had been previously married. 373 00:18:23,279 --> 00:18:27,519 I learned that he had given up custody of his prior daughter. 374 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,240 I learned that Mr. Nichols had attempted 375 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,640 to throw his prior wife off the balcony 376 00:18:32,799 --> 00:18:35,119 of a high rise in China. 377 00:18:35,279 --> 00:18:37,480 Investigators also discovered 378 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,799 he had sexually assaulted one of Rhonda's relatives, who 379 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,559 was a minor, and then tried to convince her that she could 380 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,160 become his baby's mother. 381 00:18:46,319 --> 00:18:49,119 If this were true, this would be the kind of behavior 382 00:18:49,279 --> 00:18:51,559 you would expect from somebody with a psychopathic 383 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,000 personality, somebody who is prepared to do 384 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,519 anything to achieve their own objectives. 385 00:19:00,559 --> 00:19:03,359 Dardie felt convinced that Rhonda's death was 386 00:19:03,519 --> 00:19:06,319 no accident, and that the civil case she was building 387 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,799 against Steve would, in fact, be strong enough to be tried 388 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,640 as a criminal case in court. 389 00:19:12,799 --> 00:19:16,279 In 2012, three years after Rhonda's death, 390 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:20,079 Dardie took her findings to the district attorney's office. 391 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,119 In 25 years of prosecuting, 392 00:19:22,279 --> 00:19:25,119 I had never been brought a case from a civil law firm. 393 00:19:25,279 --> 00:19:27,880 Dardie and her attorney that she 394 00:19:28,039 --> 00:19:30,079 was working with at the time presented us 395 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,680 with additional materials that he thought 396 00:19:33,839 --> 00:19:36,519 would warrant a second look, and I agreed. 397 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,839 Getting the case reviewed by Carrie 398 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,359 was extremely important because while we couldn't do anything 399 00:19:43,519 --> 00:19:47,680 for Rhonda, there was this vulnerable young child who 400 00:19:47,839 --> 00:19:49,960 deserved protection, and she was 401 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:54,200 in the custody of the potential murderer of her mother. 402 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:58,720 The circumstances around Mr. Nichols, 403 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,440 I believe causing the death of Rhonda Casto, 404 00:20:02,599 --> 00:20:05,160 assaulted my conscience when I would think 405 00:20:05,319 --> 00:20:09,960 about him profiting off of the million-dollar 406 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,039 insurance policy. 407 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,440 I believed that his daughter needed protection from him 408 00:20:16,599 --> 00:20:19,640 and that he was a dangerous person, 409 00:20:19,799 --> 00:20:26,680 and that if I didn't try to at least find some justice, that 410 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,960 would hopefully lead to the protection 411 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,519 of Rhonda Casto's daughter, I wouldn't really 412 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:34,960 be able to live with myself. 413 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:36,279 I at least needed to try. 414 00:20:41,519 --> 00:20:43,599 After Rhonda Casto had 415 00:20:43,759 --> 00:20:47,720 fallen to her death in 2009, the investigation 416 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,799 into whether or not she was pushed by her partner Steve 417 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:51,920 had gone cold. 418 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,359 Four years later, the district attorney's office was 419 00:20:56,519 --> 00:20:58,200 still looking into the case. 420 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,920 Meanwhile, Steve had moved with his daughter to China. 421 00:21:02,079 --> 00:21:05,279 Steve soon established a new life in China. 422 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,519 He got a job teaching English to businessmen out there. 423 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,960 He met a new partner and they soon got engaged. 424 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,920 Back in Oregon, deputy district attorney 425 00:21:15,079 --> 00:21:18,039 Carrie Rasmussen and her team were slowly building 426 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,079 a case against Steve Nichols. 427 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,359 For a prosecutor, it's always difficult to pick up 428 00:21:23,519 --> 00:21:25,039 a cold case. 429 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,640 Part of it is you need to take a new look at the old evidence, 430 00:21:28,799 --> 00:21:32,000 and then decide where follow-up work needs to happen. 431 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,960 When you have a small county district attorney's office 432 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,680 and small law enforcement offices, 433 00:21:38,839 --> 00:21:40,720 the burden is even greater. 434 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,680 And so all of us had to put some of our own time 435 00:21:44,839 --> 00:21:48,599 in to figure out what leads needed to be followed, 436 00:21:48,759 --> 00:21:50,519 new interviews conducted. 437 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:55,720 So it's really rebuilding the whole case from scratch. 438 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,240 You're going to have to persuade, 439 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,839 you know, a jury of 12 people to find 440 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,319 beyond a reasonable doubt that a homicide happened. 441 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,880 And that's very difficult in a circumstantial evidence 442 00:22:06,039 --> 00:22:08,160 case with no witnesses. 443 00:22:08,319 --> 00:22:09,599 So what you're really looking at 444 00:22:09,759 --> 00:22:13,640 are multiple circumstances that add up to a finding 445 00:22:13,799 --> 00:22:15,640 that he was responsible. 446 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,279 Collecting testimony that 447 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,599 supported Steve's history of questionable behavior, 448 00:22:21,759 --> 00:22:25,519 known as bad acts, was critical to the success of the case. 449 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,000 Detectives needed 450 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:32,240 to contact various partners and an ex-wife 451 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:36,720 and the family of Ms. Casto about what they experienced 452 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,559 at the hands of Mr. Nichols. 453 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,319 They had important information to give 454 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,039 us to consider whether or not we 455 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,839 could provide enough evidence to the grand jury to consider. 456 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,000 But as the new case began to gain momentum, 457 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,640 Carrie and Dardie came up against a surprising setback. 458 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:01,480 What materialized is that the lead detective on Rhonda's case 459 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,920 had intentionally wiped his hard drive. 460 00:23:05,079 --> 00:23:07,519 This resulted in the loss of key evidence 461 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,799 like crime scene photos and autopsy photos. 462 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,519 The reasons the hard drive was wiped 463 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,680 have always remained unclear. 464 00:23:15,839 --> 00:23:17,759 But what was very clear was that it 465 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,000 was going to have a huge impact on Rhonda's case. 466 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:25,480 The destruction of evidence by the first detective 467 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,240 from 2009 was a devastating blow. 468 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,400 That's almost impossible to surmount four a prosecutor. 469 00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:34,440 But I was willing to try. 470 00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:37,319 They took the hard drive and they 471 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,200 were able to resurrect some-- not 472 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,839 all, but some of the evidence. 473 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,200 Most importantly, pictures of the crime scene. 474 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:50,880 And we believed that given evidence of motive and intent 475 00:23:51,039 --> 00:23:54,200 and the evidence that we were able to resurrect 476 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,960 from the deleted hard drive, that we had enough to let 477 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,000 a grand jury consider it. 478 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,839 Carrie presented the case 479 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,759 to a grand jury, who would decide 480 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,880 if there was enough evidence to indict Steve for the murder 481 00:24:07,039 --> 00:24:08,039 of Rhonda Casto. 482 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,240 Proceedings were held in secret to avoid 483 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,319 alerting Steve to the investigation 484 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,519 and risk him never returning to the US. 485 00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:22,559 On April 18, 2014, the jury made their decision and 486 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,680 Steve Nichols was indicted. 487 00:24:24,839 --> 00:24:27,359 It was a total shock when I heard he was indicted. 488 00:24:27,519 --> 00:24:29,799 I never thought that the case would be revived. 489 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,119 I had already given up on any kind of hope 490 00:24:32,279 --> 00:24:33,400 for that to happen. 491 00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:34,960 All the prosecutors had 492 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,039 to do was wait for Steve Nichols 493 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,559 to return from China so he could be arrested. 494 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,440 Towards the end of February 2015, 495 00:24:43,599 --> 00:24:46,119 Mr. Nichols flew back to the United States 496 00:24:46,279 --> 00:24:50,799 to California in order to renew his child's passport. 497 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,519 Steve and the child landed at San Francisco airport. 498 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,920 He was immediately arrested the minute they saw his passport. 499 00:24:59,079 --> 00:25:01,720 It triggered the secret indictment. 500 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,000 The child was taken into protective custody, 501 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,279 and he was taken to the San Mateo County Jail charged 502 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,319 with first-degree murder. 503 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,880 Steve Nichols was arrested on February 2, 504 00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:17,319 2015, almost six years after Rhonda fell to her death 505 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,880 in 2009. 506 00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:23,079 He was interviewed by detectives 507 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,160 and detained at Northern Oregon Regional Correctional Facility, 508 00:25:27,319 --> 00:25:30,119 awaiting a date to face charges in court. 509 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,119 When I heard that Steve had been arrested, 510 00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:39,640 I was stunned and I was grateful that their daughter 511 00:25:39,799 --> 00:25:40,880 was away from him. 512 00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:43,079 It was a big mix of emotions. 513 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,160 I felt Steve facing trial for murder was justified. 514 00:25:46,319 --> 00:25:49,680 I was cautiously optimistic, but really kind of skeptical 515 00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:51,880 that he would be punished for it. 516 00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:56,599 In May 2015, three months after Steve's arrest, 517 00:25:56,759 --> 00:25:59,680 he appeared in court where he pleaded not guilty 518 00:25:59,839 --> 00:26:01,680 to the charge of murder. 519 00:26:01,839 --> 00:26:07,200 Bail was set at $2 million and he was detained to await trial. 520 00:26:08,599 --> 00:26:10,720 Meanwhile, prosecutors continued 521 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,359 to build on their theory that he had 522 00:26:12,519 --> 00:26:13,839 pushed Rhonda to her death. 523 00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:16,680 But the lack of physical evidence 524 00:26:16,839 --> 00:26:19,039 meant it wasn't going to be easy. 525 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,680 I was preparing 526 00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:24,079 to deliver a murder case based on circumstantial evidence. 527 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:25,319 They're very tough. 528 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,279 It is not a slam dunk case. 529 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:32,920 There was no direct witness to him causing her death. 530 00:26:33,079 --> 00:26:36,240 There's no physical evidence of him placing his hands 531 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:37,880 on her, for instance. 532 00:26:38,039 --> 00:26:40,039 There's nobody hearing an argument. 533 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,759 So there are all sorts of circumstances 534 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:47,920 around that show motive, intent, maybe even planning. 535 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,759 The key elements were the circumstances 536 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:57,319 surrounding the death itself, statements that Mr. Nichols had 537 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,759 made at the scene, which were concerning, 538 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,519 statements that he made after the scene, 539 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:08,519 his behaviors towards others that pointed to his motivation 540 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,000 in the case. 541 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,119 Circumstances around the million-dollar insurance policy 542 00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:18,319 taken out two months earlier on his girlfriend's life. 543 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:23,839 Circumstances involving his attempted assault, 544 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,279 if not homicide, allegedly in Shanghai. 545 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,799 And when you put the whole picture together, 546 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,079 that points to only one person who caused her death. 547 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,480 To strengthen their case, 548 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,640 Carrie and the investigators decided 549 00:27:43,799 --> 00:27:47,079 to reenact the fatal fall at Eagle Creek 550 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,200 in the hope of providing further evidence 551 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:50,960 that Rhonda was pushed. 552 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,119 We conducted the reenactment 553 00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:56,119 in March of 2015. 554 00:27:56,279 --> 00:27:58,319 A reenactment with experts is something 555 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:05,039 that I routinely do in my cases to see in real-world terms what 556 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,759 happens, what is going to happen, what can be seen, 557 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,759 where something will land. 558 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,240 And in this case, you had somebody who's claiming 559 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,240 that there was just a fall. 560 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,160 I got two dummies, Laverne and Shirley, 561 00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:21,720 that were the exact same weight as Rhonda was at the time, 562 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,799 and dressed them in exactly the same clothing 563 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,400 so that we would have the same types of drag. 564 00:28:28,559 --> 00:28:29,559 OK, ready? 565 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,440 One, two, three. 566 00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:39,880 We did several test runs, 567 00:28:40,039 --> 00:28:44,440 replicating the weather, the season, the foliage, 568 00:28:44,599 --> 00:28:47,200 the time of day, the trail conditions, 569 00:28:47,359 --> 00:28:49,720 the force that it required to launch 570 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:54,759 a 140-pound person so that they would land in that area. 571 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,079 We had the Hood River County Sheriff. 572 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,319 We had sheriff's deputies, search and rescue. 573 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,319 We had FBI, people there filming, 574 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,480 you know, to documenting this whole thing. 575 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,279 Will help stand her up. 576 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:13,960 And then we're going to give her a deed. 577 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,279 Well, the overall findings 578 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,480 were if she jumped or if she ran off the edge, 579 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,559 she would never have landed that far from the cliff. 580 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:28,680 Number one. 581 00:29:28,839 --> 00:29:31,400 Number two, it required a forceful 582 00:29:31,559 --> 00:29:34,480 shove to get her out that far. 583 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,599 Number three, when she was out that far, 584 00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:39,839 her leg broke open in the same way 585 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,920 that Rhonda's leg broke open. 586 00:29:43,079 --> 00:29:46,079 It was just heartbreaking because by the time 587 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,480 we were done, you knew what happened. 588 00:29:51,759 --> 00:29:53,440 Whether it qualified 589 00:29:53,599 --> 00:29:56,680 as appropriate demonstrative or scientific evidence, 590 00:29:56,839 --> 00:29:58,319 that was going to be yet another battle 591 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,039 about whether we could even assert that to a jury. 592 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,799 That was another uncertainty in the case. 593 00:30:06,519 --> 00:30:10,599 In August 2015, Steve Nichols appeared in court 594 00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:12,799 again for a bail hearing. 595 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,079 Every defendant 596 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,640 has the right to contest their bail, 597 00:30:16,799 --> 00:30:21,920 and the judge reviewed the state of the evidence 598 00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:24,680 as it was at that point in time. 599 00:30:24,839 --> 00:30:26,839 The biggest dispute is always going 600 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,160 to be a circumstantial evidence case, and 601 00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:32,119 the weight of those circumstances, 602 00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:35,240 or how much weight should be given to those circumstances. 603 00:30:36,759 --> 00:30:39,720 Steve Nichols' defense called into question 604 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,160 the scientific rigor of the prosecution's 605 00:30:42,319 --> 00:30:44,839 crash test dummy experiment, claiming 606 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,119 the tests were inaccurate. 607 00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:50,359 The evidence in the state's case was weaker, 608 00:30:50,519 --> 00:30:54,359 and the judge, weighing everything in its totality, 609 00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:57,480 agreed to lower his bail to an amount that he could post. 610 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:04,480 The judge lowered Steve Nichols bail to $250,000. 611 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:09,880 And after a 10% payment of $25,000 made by his attorney, 612 00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:12,960 Steve was released from prison with an ankle monitor. 613 00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:17,319 Steve continued to await his day 614 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,759 in court while pretrial disputes rumbled on. 615 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,519 Over the course of the next few months, 616 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,279 they went back and forth, arguing between the defense and 617 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,839 the prosecution about what evidence should 618 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,799 be included in this trial. 619 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,400 Carrie wanted evidence about Steve's past 620 00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:36,160 to be included in the trial. 621 00:31:36,319 --> 00:31:37,920 These are called prior bad acts, 622 00:31:38,079 --> 00:31:40,799 and they helped paint a picture of someone's character. 623 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,799 These prior bad acts included an allegation 624 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,880 that he tried to throw his ex-wife 625 00:31:46,039 --> 00:31:48,799 off a balcony in China, which was allegedly 626 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,279 witnessed by a nanny. 627 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,200 I hoped to present evidence 628 00:31:52,359 --> 00:31:53,880 of the nanny in Shanghai. 629 00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:58,480 We had a transcript of her interview by police in China. 630 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,200 I had hoped to bring her here from China 631 00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:04,799 to explain to the jury what she saw and experienced. 632 00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:09,920 His first wife was willing to come forward 633 00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:12,160 and testify to that event. 634 00:32:12,319 --> 00:32:14,079 These prior bad acts, 635 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,160 they also included allegations of domestic abuse 636 00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:19,599 and sexual assault against a minor. 637 00:32:19,759 --> 00:32:22,799 I believe Steve Nichols exhibited behavior 638 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,079 towards other domestic partners that 639 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,240 was critical to understanding why 640 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,559 he was responsible for the death of Rhonda Casto. 641 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,039 In February 2016, seven years 642 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,440 since Rhonda's death, the judge ruled which bad acts 643 00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:40,240 could be admitted at trial. 644 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,759 After a prior bad acts hearing, 645 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,920 the judge decided that it would be 646 00:32:46,079 --> 00:32:50,680 too prejudicial for a jury to hear about the incident 647 00:32:50,839 --> 00:32:51,799 in Shanghai. 648 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,880 That was a huge blow in the case, 649 00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:58,880 so a jury would never hear about his first wife. 650 00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:01,480 So I lost all of that evidence of intent 651 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:07,680 towards domestic partners, his resorting to a plan of violence 652 00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:11,119 that involved shoving off of a high ledge. 653 00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:12,920 So that severely weakened the case. 654 00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:16,359 But another key ruling 655 00:33:16,519 --> 00:33:19,519 was about to make a big impact on the case, 656 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,440 regarding Steve's three hour interview by San Mateo Police 657 00:33:23,599 --> 00:33:26,680 following his arrest in 2015. 658 00:33:26,839 --> 00:33:29,319 Those transcripts record 659 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,960 all of his inconsistent statements, 660 00:33:32,119 --> 00:33:35,519 all of his first one story, then another story. 661 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,240 He says, no, we didn't fight. 662 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,160 And then he later says, we fought. 663 00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:41,799 The fact that he says, no, I didn't have my cell phone. 664 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,319 Oh, but you sent a text from the trail. 665 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,599 And it wasn't just what he said, 666 00:33:46,759 --> 00:33:48,400 but it was his demeanor towards the victim. 667 00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:51,400 His, I'll dare say, dismissiveness, 668 00:33:51,559 --> 00:33:55,759 his lack of empathy, his attitude towards the victim, 669 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,079 a lack of care, a lack of emotion. 670 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,319 When you have a witness who's made 671 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,119 multiple different stories, that 672 00:34:03,279 --> 00:34:04,720 should come before the jury. 673 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,400 The interview as a whole 674 00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:11,000 was important for a jury to see his demeanor towards the event 675 00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:13,159 and towards the victim herself. 676 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,039 After a long legal battle, after an appeal 677 00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:20,559 to the Oregon Supreme Court, the prosecution 678 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,000 lost the ability to use evidence 679 00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:24,719 from Steve's police interview. 680 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:30,239 The judge determined that the rules weren't followed and 681 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:31,880 said basically that the state couldn't 682 00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:33,400 use any of that interview. 683 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,079 At this point, I was pretty concerned about getting 684 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,559 any sort of a conviction, given the losses 685 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,920 in court of various critical pieces of evidence. 686 00:34:47,079 --> 00:34:49,079 And the state's case against Steve 687 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,079 was about to be struck another blow. 688 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,719 The first person who talked to Mr. Nichols 689 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,519 at Eagle Creek, that detective, was himself 690 00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:02,559 indicted for sex abuse crimes. 691 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,960 I had one detective destroying evidence. 692 00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:08,239 And then the jury was going to hear, likely, 693 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:13,920 that the first detective on the scene interviewing Mr. Nichols 694 00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:17,480 was now he himself charged with felony sex abuse. 695 00:35:17,639 --> 00:35:22,400 And so things just didn't get better for the state's case. 696 00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:24,840 I think it was a difficult case at the outset. 697 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,800 It became much more difficult with rulings 698 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,480 that went against the state eliminated 699 00:35:32,639 --> 00:35:34,239 evidence that I could use. 700 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:39,000 There is a cliche of death by 1,000 cuts, 701 00:35:39,159 --> 00:35:44,639 and the criminal case suffered quite a few of those cuts. 702 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,960 With challenges to the state's case mounting, 703 00:35:48,119 --> 00:35:51,119 Carrie and her team faced an uphill battle 704 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,320 to secure a murder conviction against Nichols. 705 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,559 After a number of significant pretrial setbacks 706 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,679 in the state's case against Steve Nichols for the murder 707 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,280 of Rhonda Casto, Carrie and her team 708 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,920 knew their chances of getting a murder conviction 709 00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:11,679 were growing increasingly slim. 710 00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:16,920 In early 2017, two years since Steve's arrest, 711 00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:19,320 they reluctantly decided to negotiate 712 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,559 with Steve's defense team to see if they 713 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,599 could reach a settlement. 714 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,559 In all of the settlement conferences 715 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,840 I've ever engaged in, no one is happy. 716 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,239 The prosecution is not happy with the limited justice 717 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,360 that they obtain. 718 00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:37,599 The defense is not happy because they 719 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,719 want a not-guilty verdict. 720 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,000 After a settlement conference that 721 00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:45,880 was mediated by a judge in the spring of 2017, 722 00:36:46,039 --> 00:36:48,079 we came to a resolution of the case. 723 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,320 Steve pleaded guilty to criminally negligent 724 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:56,400 homicide and coercion and was sentenced to 19 months, 725 00:36:56,559 --> 00:36:59,000 plus three years on probation. 726 00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:01,800 Criminally negligent homicide means 727 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,760 Steve was guilty of causing Rhonda's death, in this case, 728 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,320 taking her on that dangerous hike in dangerous conditions 729 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,679 and failing to protect her safety. 730 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:16,079 Coercion indicates that he may have illegally pressured or 731 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,000 coerced Rhonda, and may or may not 732 00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:23,320 have tricked her into going on that fatal hike that day. 733 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,559 While there was plenty of suspicion and circumstantial 734 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,760 evidence, the state failed to reach 735 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,159 the high burden of proof needed for murder in this case. 736 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,079 Steve also pleaded guilty to sex abuse in the third degree 737 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,400 for sleeping with Rhonda's underage relation. 738 00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:42,880 He was then placed on a sex offenders register. 739 00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:46,760 Following his sentencing, 740 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,159 Steve received credit for the 19 months 741 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,800 he'd already spent behind bars. 742 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,719 With no time left to serve, he was released. 743 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,880 One of my great disappointments 744 00:37:58,039 --> 00:38:03,559 is that Mr. Nichols did not receive additional prison time. 745 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,000 But some justice is better than no justice. 746 00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:10,519 And so the energy that I put into the case, 747 00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:14,039 while it wasn't the end result that I-- 748 00:38:14,199 --> 00:38:16,239 the outset was hoping for, I'm very 749 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,119 gratified that we got some justice for Rhonda Casto and 750 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,400 her family. 751 00:38:21,559 --> 00:38:23,079 My family's reaction to the sentencing 752 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:27,280 was anger and frustration, you know, 753 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,639 and just a sense of helplessness and almost like 754 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,000 being retraumatized all over again, honestly. 755 00:38:33,159 --> 00:38:35,159 I was angry and I felt offended, 756 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,679 and I felt like it was just another slap 757 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,639 in the face to the whole family and Rhonda's memory. 758 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,719 And I just felt like the whole thing was foul, 759 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,960 and not because he didn't get punished, 760 00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:50,679 but because it was being framed as an accident. 761 00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:54,639 In March 2018, a judge 762 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,880 terminated Steve's custody over his daughter. 763 00:38:58,039 --> 00:39:01,199 She has since been adopted by a loving family. 764 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,920 Her mother's insurance money remains in a trust 765 00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:05,760 to provide for her future. 766 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,280 So when the adoption was finalized for their daughter, 767 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,440 I was there the day they had the court hearing, you know, 768 00:39:12,599 --> 00:39:15,639 and the full foster family was there, and it was celebratory 769 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,079 and all that. 770 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:18,920 I'm coming up the sidewalk and I'm at the corner 771 00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:20,199 of the courthouse. 772 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,280 And who do I see standing at the entrance, 773 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,000 maybe 50 feet away from me? 774 00:39:25,159 --> 00:39:26,119 Steve. 775 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:28,760 There he is. 776 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,599 I could charge at him and, you know what I mean? 777 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,159 It would have been over for both of us. 778 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,320 We're both going to jail or prison, hospital, whatever. 779 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:36,800 But I didn't do anything. 780 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,199 I didn't even speak to him, but we made eye contact, 781 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:44,760 and, you know, um, it still was surreal to me 782 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:49,320 even just being able to see him much less him walking free. 783 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,760 The only bright spot is that her daughter 784 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,079 is safe and, you know, has been with decent people. 785 00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:00,079 This case has eaten 15 years of my life. 786 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,079 That's how long I've been involved with this. 787 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,000 Rhonda didn't get justice. 788 00:40:06,159 --> 00:40:10,719 What we were trying to do, ultimately, was to protect 789 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,960 her child, her legacy. 790 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,159 This has been a mission. 791 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,320 A lot of blood, sweat, and tears 792 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:24,400 into trying to see that this young girl had a life. 793 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,440 We can't give her back her mom, but I hope that she 794 00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:33,360 goes on to have a good life. 795 00:40:33,519 --> 00:40:36,559 The victim's daughter is now in a safe home 796 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,800 and is growing up with a much different family 797 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:41,840 than she would have. 798 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,119 That's important to me. 799 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,840 So that alone makes it worth it. 800 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,400 Do I think that Rhonda got perfect justice? 801 00:40:49,559 --> 00:40:51,199 Absolutely not. 802 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:56,039 I think she got the justice she would have wanted 803 00:40:56,199 --> 00:40:58,400 for her daughter, that her daughter was not 804 00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:02,159 raised by the man responsible for her death, 805 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,480 and also that it should only be her daughter that 806 00:41:05,639 --> 00:41:08,239 benefits from the insurance money 807 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,360 due to her death, not anybody else. 808 00:41:11,519 --> 00:41:15,039 And I'm hopeful that her loved ones saw that that result 809 00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:16,559 was important. 810 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:22,360 Dardie and Carrie Rasmussen deserve a ton of credit. 811 00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:24,639 They are the ones that blocked Steve 812 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,320 from getting his hands on the money 813 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,760 and got the grand jury hearing, and him indicted and all that. 814 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,000 So yes, I am grateful to them for sure. 815 00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:37,320 They really put a lot of effort into all this 816 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:38,760 and really wanted to see justice 817 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,239 for Rhonda and her daughter, even though things 818 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,159 didn't turn out ideally. 819 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,760 After Steve was sentenced, 820 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,840 he continued to do lots and lots of TV appearances, 821 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,440 sit down at interviews, and his story just continued to change. 822 00:41:54,599 --> 00:41:59,639 The TV appearances suggest a lack of-- of any kind 823 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:04,199 of remorse at all, or even understanding 824 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,000 of the suffering of Rhonda, of her family, of his daughter. 825 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,760 It illustrates somebody who is utterly egocentric, 826 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,000 somebody who really sees things purely 827 00:42:16,159 --> 00:42:18,400 from his own perspective, who is 828 00:42:18,559 --> 00:42:21,360 prepared to turn any circumstances 829 00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:22,800 to his own advantage. 830 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,320 Even a criminal conviction he's using as a platform 831 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,159 to-- to become a celebrity. 832 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,280 It's like he's living his own big adventure. 833 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,440 And what happened to Rhonda was-- is a footnote in-- 834 00:42:34,599 --> 00:42:36,480 in his big life story. 835 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:46,079 Today, 16 years on from Rhonda's tragic death, 836 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,280 Jeff's memories of his sister still shine bright. 837 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,519 It's hard to put into words what 838 00:42:51,679 --> 00:42:53,800 a phenomenal individual that she was 839 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,760 and what an impact it's had her being gone. 840 00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,320 The last time I spoke to Rhonda, she was at my house 841 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,639 with her daughter being silly, goofy humor 842 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,039 and playing with the kids. 843 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:06,920 Rhonda was a great person. 844 00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:10,039 We all loved her and she really was the glue in our family. 845 00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:12,079 What's important going forward right now 846 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,559 is that people know the truth, that Steve Nichols 847 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,599 is a dangerous person, and that Rhonda's daughter 848 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,559 knows the full truth about what happened. 849 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,719 But I feel almost more importantly 850 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:29,199 to know how much Rhonda loved her and was dedicated to her. 851 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,239 Rhonda loved her with everything she had. 852 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:34,239 It was her life. 853 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:35,400 It was her anchor. 854 00:43:35,559 --> 00:43:37,360 It was her newfound purpose in life. 855 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,719 Ultimately, that's probably the most valuable thing 856 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,320 that I could do to honor Rhonda's memory, 857 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,719 is to be as active in her daughter's life as I can. 858 00:43:48,679 --> 00:43:50,960 I am by no means a religious person, 859 00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:53,199 but, you know, when you see something glimmer for a second 860 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,440 or like a light bounce off something or whatever, 861 00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:58,039 or like you see a shiny object and just for that split second, 862 00:43:58,199 --> 00:44:00,960 you see that little, sort of sharp edge of light 863 00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:02,199 or glimmer or whatever. 864 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:03,440 And I like to tell myself sometimes 865 00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:05,079 that that's where she's at. 866 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:06,960 She's just right there for a second. 867 00:44:08,599 --> 00:44:11,000 Sometimes I let myself go there and be sad about it. 868 00:44:11,159 --> 00:44:14,199 But I also feel like, you know, she's with me. 869 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,880 And so part of how I deal with it is I just 870 00:44:17,039 --> 00:44:19,000 try to honor Rhonda's memory. 69973

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