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When I moved to Hoboken
about a dozen years
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ago, it just struck me
just how friendly and
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how small town it felt.
So what you see behind
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me here is the actual
location for Lily Bloom's
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flower shop in the
film It Ends With Us.
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A scout reached out to
me and said that they were
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interested in seeing
if it would work for
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an upcoming film. So I
was going through the
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contract and I was
showing it to my wife,
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and when she read the title
It Ends With Us, she froze.
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She said that this was one of her favorite
authors. In fact, she reached over,
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she grabbed one of her
books, and she pulled
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it off the shelf.
She's like, "This is it.
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" Blake, can you turn this
way? Justin, right here?
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The movie came out
in the summer of 2024.
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Social media noticed
that Blake Lively and Justin
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Balzoni were not doing any press together.
For a movie where they are the co-leads...
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It Ends With Us.
It Ends With Us.
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It Ends With Us. It Ends With
Us. It Ends With Us is about
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domestic violence, but
the message of the film has
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been clouded because of
the scandal around its stars.
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She claims that there was
sexual harassment on set.
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Maybe this guy isn't the guy that you
think he is. And then big jaw drop moment.
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He claims civil extortion,
defamation, and that all of this
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really is about her wanting
to have control of the movie.
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Is Blake Lively a victim?
That is the question.
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This is like the most
high-school fight that people
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with millions of dollars
can have with each other.
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The longer this goes on, the more
reputational damage they will suffer.
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All of this is still he said, she said.
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"This isn't just a
fluffy celebrity feud.
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The actual story is,
I think, a lot darker.
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" In August 2016, romance novel
It Ends With Us hit the shelves.
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"It Ends With Us is about a
character called Lily Bloom.
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While it has got the
romance and love
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aspect to it, it very
intricately covers this
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subject of domestic
abuse. But it wasn't until
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it arrived on BookTok, which is a subset
of TikTok, that it really got picked up.
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I am a Colleen Hoover huge
fan. I've read all of her books.
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Every single one,
probably once or twice.
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They're pretty easy, quick reads. It
Ends With Us came out on BookTok.
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And it was a fast
hit. It went viral.
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The author of It Ends With
Us, Colleen Hoover, has
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a large social media
following. And not just large,
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but highly engaged.
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I've read eight Colleen
Hoover books so far.
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I just need to tell you about this
book that I read by Colleen Hoover.
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I finally got my hands on this book.
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On TikTok, certain
books go viral.
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And Colleen Hoover's novels
became incredibly popular on there.
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In particular, It Ends With Us.
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A woman got verbally and physically
abused and made it out on the other end.
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The domestic violence aspect of it is
something that really caught people's eyes,
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because it does it in a way
that is complex and nuanced.
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So it covered the serious topic,
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while still doing it in a way
that felt engaging and accessible.
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The book caught the eye of film producers.
The rights were bought by Wayfarer Studios,
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which was owned by actor
and director Justin Baldoni.
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I knew of Justin Baldoni. He
was this very sensitive man.
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And I don't say
that as a pejorative.
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I think being a sensitive
man is a great thing.
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He's kind of made a name
for himself outside of acting.
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And it really positions his mission, being
somebody who debunks toxic masculinity.
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And he started a podcast,
Man Enough Podcast.
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In 2019, when Justin
acquired the rights from
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Colleen Hoover, it was
really aligned with his brand.
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January of 2023, news came out that Blake
Lively is going to be starring in the big
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film adaptation of the
successful novel It Ends With Us.
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Colleen Hoover enthusiastically
announced the casting on social media.
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Hi, guys. Colleen Hoover
here. We have a cast.
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Our Lily is going to be
played by Blake Lively.
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Blake Lively, y'all.
It's just my dream Lily.
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I think there was so
much anticipation for this
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film because it had
grown this really organic
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fan base from booktok.
Casford Ends With Us
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has officially been
announced and I am unwell.
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Lily Bloom is going to be played by
none other than Blake Lively. What?
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Bringing Blake Lively aboard was a
suggestion from the studio. And Justin saw
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the value in bringing on this
actress with name recognition.
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Blake Lively has a persona in the
public eye of being fun and fashionable.
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Blake Lively kind of built this brand around
her appearance and beauty and fashion.
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She was always on the red
carpet showing off amazing dresses.
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She was more like kind of
an it girl than a big actress.
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She's also known as being
Taylor Swift's best friend.
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And yeah, of course, she's
married to Ryan Reynolds.
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So everybody
wants to be like her.
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Blake Lively was very much loved. She's in
one of Hollywood's biggest power couples.
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So this casting, as well
as the love for the book
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and for Colleen Hoover, it just made
the absolute perfect combination.
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Contracts were signed,
scripts written, and production
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began on the movie It
Ends With Us in May 2023.
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Hoboken being such a
small town, word travels fast.
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When the first day of
shooting arrived, people
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were lining the streets
to catch a glimpse of,
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you know, Hollywood
in our small town.
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My first impressions of
Justin were that he was
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utmost professional.
At the conclusion of rap,
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Justin invited me over
and he embraced me.
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He raised his hands up
and I raised mine to mirror
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him and we celebrated
the conclusion of filming.
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It was just a very special moment to share.
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It Ends With Us premieres in New
York on the 6th of August, 2024.
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But on the red carpet,
what should have been
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a celebration of the cast and crew's
success is overshadowed. Justin, right here.
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Things felt like they
were off at the premiere.
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Social media noticed
that Blake Lively and
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Justin Baldoni were not
doing any press together.
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What is going on with Blake
Lively and Justin Baldoni?
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Have you heard anything about
the rift happening behind the scenes?
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Clearly something is going on.
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For a movie where they are the
co-leads, that is highly unusual.
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When you turn this way, Blake.
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People picked up that
the cast wasn't following
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Justin Baldoni on social
media and they weren't
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taking pictures together. The public
thought there was a problem on set.
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The internet loves drama and
the internet went wild for this one.
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Justin Baldoni was
sent to the basement.
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He said, "I wasn't allowed to be
seen. She didn't want me anywhere near
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her or the rest of the
cast, so they ushered me
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off the carpet and sent
us down to the basement.
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" There are people in every
corner of Twitter, TikTok, Instagram.
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They picked up on every single
little thing before the media did.
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During the entire promotion
of this film, Blake Lively
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hasn't been seen with Justin,
the main actor and director.
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But of course fans are
theorizing as fans do.
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And boom, you have a feud. There was
serious beef between Baldoni and Lively.
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There are countless feuds in Hollywood
between actors, between directors and stars.
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It's very rare at a
premiere for them not to,
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you know, at least look
like they're buddy-buddy.
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But the slick marketing
and the critical acclaim
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makes "It Ends With
Us" a box office hit.
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But the story of the rift between Blake
Lively and Justin Baldoni won't go away.
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Blake Lively was getting a lot of
negative feedback on social media.
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Oh, look at me in flowers, Lily Blue.
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There were so many strange
memes right after and videos
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about Blake kind of
being difficult to work with.
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She was really flippant
with her initial response.
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One of the things she
said was bring your friends,
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wear your florals to a film
about domestic violence.
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And "It Ends With Us" is in theaters now.
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So grab your friends, wear
your florals and head out to see it.
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It kind of put a spotlight on
her not taking it as seriously.
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And that's what really caused
a lot of people to pile onto her.
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Ooh, grab your close friends
and wear your cotton dress.
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I want the movie theater to feel like
one big dance party with your girls.
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I mean, what's a more fun song to
dance to than My Tears Ricochet?
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I don't necessarily think
anyone deserves the
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kind of hate that she's
had to deal with though.
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But on the 20th of December, 2024, Blake
Lively drops a bombshell legal complaint.
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The real life Hollywood
drama between Justin
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Baldoni and Blake
Lively deepened today.
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She's accused him of sexual harassment,
allegations his lawyers strenuously deny.
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I think where this gets
lost in the weeds is the
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treating of this as just kind
of a fluffy celebrity feud.
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The actual story is, I think, a lot
darker and a lot more complex than that.
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Lively releases an 80 page
lawsuit filled with dozens
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of sexual harassment
allegations against Baldoni.
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These are a few key allegations
that she has levied at him.
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Throughout filming,
Mr. Baldoni invaded Miss Lively's
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privacy by entering her
makeup trailer uninvited
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while she was undressed, including when
she was breastfeeding her infant child.
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Mr. Baldoni also routinely
degraded Miss Lively by finding
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back-channel ways of
criticizing her body and weight.
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Mr. Baldoni engaged in other behaviors that
were shocking and emotionally distressing.
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Mr. Baldoni ignored
well-established industry protocols in
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filming intimate scenes and
exploited the lack of controls on set.
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In a film like this, there
are a lot of intimate scenes.
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There's kissing scenes,
there's sex scenes,
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there's child birthing scenes.
And Blake alleged that on
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some of those scenes, there
was no intimacy coordinator.
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I'm Mia Schachter. I'm an intimacy
coordinator for TV, film and theater.
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The role of intimacy coordinator
is still relatively new in TV and film.
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And there are certain
standards and protocols that
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we adhere to shooting
simulated sex and nude scenes,
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doing our best to help
the director achieve their
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vision while staying
within the actor's comfort.
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We talk to the director about
what it is that they want to see.
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We go through the
script scene by scene,
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we're looking for any instances
of simulated sex or nudity
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or anything in that realm,
you know, all the way to kissing.
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Lively also takes
issue with some of the
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conversations Baldoni
would allegedly have with
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her and other members
of the cast and career.
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Mr. Baldoni would often
reference pornography to
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Miss Lively and on the
first day of production,
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Mr. Baldoni described past
sexual relationships to Miss Lively.
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Mr. Baldoni objectified Miss
Lively and other women by
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commenting on or criticizing
their bodies as sex objects.
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One of the allegations
Blake's made is that Justin
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Baldoni asked her if her and
Ryan have climaxed together.
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Which even just saying for
me feels, I'm going to say
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icky because I wouldn't even
ask my closest friends that.
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Blake Lively alleges
that Justin asked her if
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she and her husband
orgasm at the same time.
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I'm thinking about like
who in my life I would
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feel that that was an
appropriate question to get.
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Um, probably not at work. Probably
only from someone who I've known
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for a long time and trust a lot.
And I talk about sex for a living.
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A film set is not your typical
workplace. It's long hours
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with people who you're
probably meeting for the first time.
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There's a little bit of like
summer camp energy.
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People get close
really fast and bond.
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From reading their text messages, I
do get the sense that at one point there
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was like genuine affection between
them and what felt like a friendship.
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And then there's these lines that
we're not supposed to cross, but now
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you're working with your friends
and it does get very, very blurry.
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Some people are saying that
Blake should have complained about
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what she's alleging during
filming, and actually she did.
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Between May and September 2023,
a writer's strike brought Hollywood
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to a standstill, including
the filming of It Ends With Us.
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There's this long pause in production during
the writer's strike. And when they go back to
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start recording, before doing so, Blake Lively
says, I don't want these things to happen again.
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She came back with a list
of demands, we'll call them.
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No more discussions to Blake
Lively about personal experiences
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with sex, including as it
relates to spouses or others.
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No biting or sucking of lip
without Blake Lively consent.
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There was actually a signed agreement
between Wayfarer Studios and Blake Lively.
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So many of these items seem
like things you would never want to
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do to another employee,
regardless of where your workplace is.
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You can see that based
on also Sony's reaction.
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The Sony employee says,
of course, agree to them.
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The detail and the scale of the allegations
against Justin Baldoni shocked the world.
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His talent agency, WME,
which also represents Lively
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and Reynolds, drops the
actor from their books.
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It did make some sense as
to why we hadn't seen Justin
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and Blake together
during the press tour at all.
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Because why would she be with someone
who made her feel so uncomfortable?
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Something that was upsetting
to me is that this is one of the
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few very popular movies that
deals with domestic violence.
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It's the core plot point. To have these allegations
saying actually one of the major creative
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forces behind this was actually engaging in
misogynistic content himself, it's pretty upsetting.
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What made these allegations so shocking was
that Justin Baldoni has a podcast where he talks
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about how men can be allies to women and how men
can be better in their relationships to women.
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My reaction was, oh, what? Like, I thought
this guy was for women. He's saying he's
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supportive of a really sensitive topic, in
particular to women, domestic violence.
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domestic violence. If you know the
film and you've been following along
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and read the book. How could he
do this? I mean, how could he do this?
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Several of the key players involved in the
making of It Ends With Us, Colleen Hoover to one
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of the lead actors in it, Brandon Sklenor, have
all come out publicly supporting Blake Lively.
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Brandon Sklenor shared a
post directing people to read her
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complaint, including a little heart
emoji and tagging Blake Lively.
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I saw social media sentiment shift more in
flavor of Blake than it had been certainly.
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You know, if you read the complaint,
I think she had very valid reasons
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why she wouldn't want to show up
to work in an environment like that.
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She's not doing this because it's fun or it's going
to get her anything. She's doing this probably
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because she has daughters at home and feels
the need to stand up for what she went through.
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But sexual harassment isn't the
only allegation made by Blake Lively.
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Lively claims Baldoni waged an
internet smear campaign against her.
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An accusation echoed in an
explosive article by The New York Times.
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Literally a day after The New York
Times rolls out the big headline.
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The New York Times
article was a huge bombshell.
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It had so much
detailed information.
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And The New York Times is
read by a lot of people and
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is so highly respected
that people paid attention.
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At the heart of the alleged smear
campaign is PR specialist Melissa Nathan.
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When the film was about to
come out, Justin Baldoni hired a PR
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called Melissa Nathan, who is
very well known within Hollywood.
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She represented Johnny Depp during
his defamation case with Amber Heard.
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Blake alleges that she was behind
this huge smear campaign against her.
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She includes in her complaint
text exchange between Melissa
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Nathan and Justin Baldoni's
PR person, Jennifer Abel.
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The texts include comments like this:
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"We can't write it down to him.
We can't write 'We will destroy her.'
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He has to look at it as an information
document for us to be armed with. That's all.
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Imagine if a document saying all the things
that he wants ends up in the wrong hands."
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The texts themselves were very
damning because it did make it seem
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like they orchestrated this campaign
to try and take Blake Lively down.
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It seems to imply retribution because
of her sexual harassment claims.
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He seemed to be worried that all of
the sexual harassment claims that Blake
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Lively had made was going to come out
and he felt the need to get ahead of it.
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It's also alleged that Justin
Baldoni's team used bots to artificially
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inflate and manipulate social
media content against Blake Lively.
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My name is Christopher Guzzi.
I'm the founder and CEO of Bots Sentinel.
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We're an analytics firm that focuses
on missing disinformation online.
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We look for key things. The
messaging that's being put out
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there, you know, these attacks,
are they similar in nature?
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Are we seeing the repeat?
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So, in this case, there was
"cancel Blake Lively hashtag on X.
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" If you're my firm, you're
looking at that hashtag and then
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looking at the accounts
that are pushing that hashtag.
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Blake Lively and her team will more than
likely have hired a firm to look into this.
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And I do believe
they will find accounts
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that were created
specifically to target her.
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Who's behind
that is the question.
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I believe there's evidence
that something did occur.
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It's pretty insane to see the PR
string pulling getting exposed
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because that's something that's
always been behind the curtain.
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Something that you don't really
see but you understand is happening.
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The core of what Blake is alleging is
that she experienced sexual harassment.
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She reported sexual harassment
and then was retaliated against.
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That you can be one of the most wealthy and
successful people in your industry and still
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face alleged retaliation for speaking up
and making allegations of sexual misconduct.
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I think is extremely alarming.
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If she is claiming all of these
things and so much of it happened
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on the film set, I thought,
wow, wow, I feel so bad for her.
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But the accusations of sexual
harassment and orchestrating
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a smear campaign are
vehemently denied by Justin Baldoni.
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He instructs his own lawyers.
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He didn't take it lying down.
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He then sued the New
York Times for defamation.
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He came out so strongly
against the New York Times.
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Not only did he trust you them for $250 million,
which is this like ridiculously high fee,
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but even suing a paper for defamation is
extremely difficult when you are a public figure.
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Under U.S. defamation
law, Justin Baldoni has the
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burden to prove that the
New York Times knowingly lied.
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You have to prove malice.
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I don't think he actually
thinks he's going to win.
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Really, it was more of a PR strategy.
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All of a sudden you see Justin is
going after the New York Times.
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I believe that was probably
advised because building up his own
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text receipts, his own behind-the-scenes
footage, his own narrative.
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That takes time to dig up.
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A quick defense is let's go after the
journalist or the outlet that did me dirty.
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That's a quick way to get it out in the public
and from there you start to build public
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interest in why is he doing that instead
of what the article is actually portraying.
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According to Baldoni, the New York
Times edited conversations and didn't give
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us full context and they didn't give him
and his lawyers enough time to respond.
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In his lawsuit, they included texts
and emails between Justin Baldoni
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and Melissa Nathan to show they
were not planting stories in the media.
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But it's not the New York Times
job to give all sides of the story.
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You might not like that certain news
outlets give only liberal perspectives
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or conservative perspectives, but
that doesn't open them up to liability.
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The New York Times has accused
Baldoni of trying to drag the paper
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into its feud of Lively and has
asked the court to dismiss the case.
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"I believe victims should be believed.
However, is Blake Lively a victim?
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That is the question. Many believe she's
not the victim. She's the perpetrator.
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" Two weeks after Baldoni
sues the New York Times for
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defamation, he launches a
suit against Blake Lively herself.
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On January 16th, Justin
countersues Blake for $400 million.
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I mean, this is a big jaw-drop moment.
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The numbers that Justin
Baldoni is suing the New
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York Times, $250 million,
Blake Lively, $400 million.
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These are shock numbers.
These are there to gain attention.
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Even if he were to win in court, he's
not going to win anything near that.
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Justin Baldoni hired lawyer Brian
Friedman, who is very well-known
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within Hollywood as kind of being
the attack dog for the underdog.
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This guy is ferocious.
He has spoken to the media non-stop.
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Brian Friedman launches a
website filled with 168 pages
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of what he says is evidence
of what really happened.
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Hundreds of pages
of legal allegations, text
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messages, photos. You
have the timeline of events.
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So much information has
been put out into the public.
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Justin Baldoni is suing
her for defamation.
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He's saying that she made a
false sexual harassment claim.
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He countered her point
by point, saying she claimed
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this, but in reality, here's
what truly happened.
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A lot of the concrete
moments within the sexual
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misconduct allegations are
actually fairly uncontested.
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What's contested is the
context surrounding them.
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One of the examples he
gives is that Blake Lively herself
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invited him into the trailer
while she was breastfeeding.
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Lively herself invited
Baldoni into her trailer
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to work on lines while
she pumped breast milk.
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Lively regularly breastfed in front
of Baldoni while they had meetings.
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He also says neither the
alleged sexual harassment nor the
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accompanying smear campaign
against Lively ever existed.
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Blake Lively is accusing Justin Baldoni
of asking her trainer for her weight.
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So she said that that was fat
shaming. He said it's because he has
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a back problem and there was a
scene where he needed to lift her.
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The allegation that Justin
Baldoni had asked Blake whether
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her and Ryan climaxed
together, this is what Justin said.
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Lively references in her complaint
instances that were shockingly
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mischaracterized and in no way
inappropriate or unprofessional.
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All of this is he said, she
said. Justin Baldoni, you know,
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his argument isn't really that
those items didn't happen.
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He just is saying that
there's a different perspective.
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Did they actually create a
hostile work environment
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or was it all consensual?
That's really the question.
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One of the slam dunks the
Baldoni's team suggests is, well, we
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had an intimacy coordinator and
you didn't want to meet with her.
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Justin says, contrary to Lively's
knowingly false claims, it was Lively
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who refused to meet with the intimacy
coordinator to plan out their scenes.
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I don't think that's necessarily
that uncommon to be like,
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well, I'll just wait until,
you know, the shoot starts.
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I haven't seen the assertion
that she never met with
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the intimacy coordinator,
which would be very different.
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In my experience, when an actor
says, I don't need to meet the intimacy
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coordinator until we're shooting, as
much as it, you know, hinders my process,
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it does typically indicate that
they trust their scene partner.
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And those texts made me think that at one
point she did feel a lot of trust with him.
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Among the many allegations
made by Blake Lively is that
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Justin Baldoni improvised sexual
contact without her consent.
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The key example given by Lively
is a slow motion dancing scene.
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Blake Lively alleged that he
would do unapproved movements
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and, and contact and
kissing and smelling her neck.
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This is what Justin said.
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Any suggestion that this scene was
filmed in any manner other than pure
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professionalism by Baldoni is unequivocally
countered with actual evidence.
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Her allegation of sexual harassment is a
documented unknowingly fabricated lie.
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So what did Justin Baldoni do?
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His lawyer released 10 plus
minutes of unedited footage that let
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the public see and decide for
themselves what they were looking at.
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Justin Baldoni released
the footage to try
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and make the case that
he did nothing wrong.
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that, in fact, her claims about his impromptu
kissing was inaccurate and dishonest.
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For a lot of people it did
seemingly vindicate him.
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Blake's team then comes
in and says, "Oh no, this is
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exactly what we're talking
about. She's uncomfortable.
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Her body language is alluding to the
fact that she's not really into this scene.
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" His team seemed to be
accusing Blake of trying to direct
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that scene and like
undermine his creative vision.
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I don't see that.
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I see an actress trying not to
kiss her co-worker and instead of
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saying, "I don't want to do that,"
she's making other suggestions.
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We'll just do like a-our lips
are right next to each other.
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Yeah, gotcha.
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But I think I should start talking.
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Okay.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Yeah.
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Which is actually pretty considerate
because I think it could be humiliating for
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everyone there to see Blake Lively tell
Justin Baldoni, "Stop trying to kiss me.
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" Social media is divided on
whose side the video helps.
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Justin Baldoni was clearly
in character and Blake
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Lively maybe did not
understand method acting.
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It doesn't seem super inappropriate to me.
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To me that looks like a woman
who is extremely uncomfortable.
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There are very obvious cues
that she was uncomfortable.
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All right, cut.
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I think we got plenty.
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Yes.
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Both sides think it's great for them.
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So when this goes to trial, that video
will for sure be shown in front of a jury
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and you'll hear two completely different
perspectives on what that video is.
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But Justin Baldoni doesn't
just refute Blake Lively's claims.
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He accuses Lively of
taking over his film.
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Justin Baldoni says in his
counterclaim that almost immediately
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Lively began inserting herself
into the production process.
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Basically he's saying, her saying that she
needed creative control over the project and
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threatening to walk out if she didn't get
that creative control amounted to extortion.
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The key example provided
by Baldoni's legal team is a
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controversial rewrite of one of
the film's most pivotal moments.
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There is a core scene in
the movie. It's when Ryle and
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Lily meet for the first time.
It takes place on a rooftop.
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For sure because my dad died on
Monday. So yeah, that's actually why I
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came up here to have a good cry and
hopefully meet a wealthy neurosurgeon.
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Sorry.
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Blake Lively in an interview on the
red carpet gave it up as an exclusive
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to this reporter that Ryan Reynolds
had written the rooftop scene.
440
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,218
There was an alleged meeting
between Justin and Blake's
441
00:34:19,230 --> 00:34:23,040
side to discuss this
rewrite of the rooftop scene.
442
00:34:23,140 --> 00:34:27,040
But it wasn't just Blake
and Justin who were there.
443
00:34:28,340 --> 00:34:35,040
She had Ryan Reynolds and Taylor
Swift, her best friend and her husband.
444
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,302
Justin has alleged that he was
essentially strong-armed into accepting
445
00:34:42,314 --> 00:34:46,040
the script changes by Ryan
Reynolds, by Taylor Swift as well.
446
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:54,028
Baldoni has included a series
of text messages from Lively.
447
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:58,040
His legal team claims they
are evidence of a veiled threat.
448
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:07,052
Most of us reacted very strongly to the
text message that Blake had sent to Justin
449
00:35:07,064 --> 00:35:11,040
Baldoni, explaining that she's Khaleesi
from Game of Thrones and she has dragons.
450
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,969
It wasn't in the message who her
dragons were, but everyone kind of
451
00:35:16,981 --> 00:35:21,040
knew that it was Ryan Reynolds
and Taylor Swift she was referring to.
452
00:35:21,690 --> 00:35:27,040
So by saying that, it was like a
nicely put little threat, I would say.
453
00:35:27,041 --> 00:35:34,040
Justin Baldoni eventually accepted
Lively and Reynolds' changes to the script.
454
00:35:34,041 --> 00:35:37,204
Baldoni sent Lively a
voice note to apologize
455
00:35:37,216 --> 00:35:40,040
for his initial reaction
to the meeting.
456
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:47,040
Hey Blake, it is 2:00 in the morning.
Hopefully this does not wake you up.
457
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,088
So Justin Baldoni releases this
voicemail that he leaves 2:00 AM to
458
00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:57,040
Blake Lively, apologizing for
evidently this earlier interaction.
459
00:35:59,390 --> 00:36:07,040
And I'm really sorry. I for sure
fell short. And I'm really sorry.
460
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,040
I f***ed up. That is a fail on my part.
461
00:36:11,041 --> 00:36:13,305
He's apologetic. He's trying
to, you know, express sympathy.
462
00:36:13,317 --> 00:36:15,040
You know, he's admitting
some level of fault.
463
00:36:15,041 --> 00:36:17,976
We should all have friends
like that, aside from the fact
464
00:36:17,988 --> 00:36:21,040
that they're two of the most
creative people on the planet.
465
00:36:21,041 --> 00:36:24,528
The three of you guys
together, it's unbelievable.
466
00:36:24,540 --> 00:36:28,040
Talk about energy, just
to force all three of you.
467
00:36:29,115 --> 00:36:33,144
Baldoni releases the clip
as part of his defense to
468
00:36:33,156 --> 00:36:37,040
show he was willing to
address Lively's concerns.
469
00:36:37,041 --> 00:36:40,040
For some, he's vindicated.
470
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:47,040
He is so concerned for her well-being.
He is so apologetic.
471
00:36:47,041 --> 00:36:50,040
For others, it's backfired.
472
00:36:50,041 --> 00:36:53,040
You were Ryan and you were listening
to that. You would also be like...
473
00:36:53,041 --> 00:36:56,040
Get away from my woman.
474
00:36:56,041 --> 00:37:00,028
I don't know. Getting a
voice note like that, and
475
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,040
it's not even just the
content of the voice note.
476
00:37:04,041 --> 00:37:10,040
It's the way he's talking.
It's quite like low and raspy.
477
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,040
I hope you're feeling
better, and give Ryan my love.
478
00:37:14,041 --> 00:37:17,040
Thank you for sending me that.
479
00:37:17,041 --> 00:37:18,916
It means the world to
me that you trust me
480
00:37:18,928 --> 00:37:21,040
with your feelings and
your thoughts like that.
481
00:37:21,041 --> 00:37:24,040
And I can't wait to
spend more time with you.
482
00:37:24,041 --> 00:37:26,770
It's 2:00 a.m. in the
morning. There are definitely
483
00:37:26,782 --> 00:37:29,040
people who thought
it was a little creepy.
484
00:37:29,041 --> 00:37:33,464
There's others who say, "Hey,
she texted him right before.
485
00:37:33,476 --> 00:37:35,921
This was a justified voice call.
486
00:37:36,921 --> 00:37:40,632
" As a lawyer, I think, why release
something that does? It is a little
487
00:37:40,644 --> 00:37:44,040
questionable of whether or not
that's appropriate in a workplace.
488
00:37:44,041 --> 00:37:48,108
I think what I mainly got
from the message was that
489
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,040
he was really desperately
trying to please Blake.
490
00:37:52,041 --> 00:37:55,599
I think he was afraid of
her at that point because
491
00:37:55,611 --> 00:37:59,040
she had already threatened
him with her dragons.
492
00:37:59,041 --> 00:38:02,093
It's interesting because
his lawsuit was really
493
00:38:02,105 --> 00:38:05,040
all about how there was
this power imbalance.
494
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,409
He had to agree to everything
she said. But that was also
495
00:38:09,421 --> 00:38:13,040
why he wanted her in this movie
because she brought her fame.
496
00:38:13,041 --> 00:38:17,040
She brought her star power.
She brought her husband, Ryan Reynolds.
497
00:38:17,041 --> 00:38:21,040
They were going to walk on the red carpet.
Justin Baldoni knew all this.
498
00:38:21,041 --> 00:38:24,410
But what Baldoni
perhaps did not anticipate
499
00:38:24,422 --> 00:38:28,040
was Lively's involvement
in editing the movie.
500
00:38:34,090 --> 00:38:38,120
She had her own cut of the
film made. And she got her friend
501
00:38:38,132 --> 00:38:42,040
Taylor Swift to let them use
one of her songs in the film.
502
00:38:43,540 --> 00:38:46,807
Baldoni is claiming that
Blake Lively was threatening to
503
00:38:46,819 --> 00:38:50,040
derail the production, was
threatening to walk off set.
504
00:38:56,290 --> 00:39:00,345
According to the email communications that
I saw, she was refusing to approve this.
505
00:39:00,357 --> 00:39:04,040
She was delaying that. She was being
highly unprofessional, many would say.
506
00:39:05,740 --> 00:39:07,803
Apparently, it was
the Blake Lively cut of
507
00:39:07,815 --> 00:39:10,040
the film that we ended
up seeing in theaters.
508
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:15,998
I believe that Sony, the
film's distributor and major
509
00:39:16,010 --> 00:39:20,040
financer, they were scared,
in my opinion, of Blake Lively.
510
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:27,103
The bigger star tends to get backed because
at the end of the day, the studio wants
511
00:39:27,115 --> 00:39:31,040
this to make a lot of money and the bigger
star is going to draw a bigger audience.
512
00:39:31,041 --> 00:39:36,040
She took complete editorial
control of the film. That's not a crime.
513
00:39:36,090 --> 00:39:39,040
Who's to say that Baldoni's
version was inherently better?
514
00:39:39,041 --> 00:39:44,040
Blake Lively's complaint is all
about that she was sexually harassed.
515
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:51,028
And a lot of the conversation that
you see out there is really more about
516
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,040
how she wanted too much control
over the set, which is separate, legally.
517
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:09,288
I find it interesting that Blake is both framed as this incredibly
powerful person who, you know, can use Taylor Swift and everyone
518
00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:14,360
in her arsenal to do whatever she wants, but also she needs to
rely on manipulating sexual harassment in order to get her way.
519
00:40:14,740 --> 00:40:17,040
It's interesting that
those two things exist.
520
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:24,201
In February 2025, a New
York federal judge rules
521
00:40:24,213 --> 00:40:28,040
that Lively versus
Baldoni will go to court.
522
00:40:28,041 --> 00:40:31,040
Social media goes wild.
523
00:40:31,140 --> 00:40:33,493
A trial date has been
set for Blake Lively
524
00:40:33,505 --> 00:40:36,040
and Justin Baldoni to
battle it out in court.
525
00:40:36,290 --> 00:40:40,040
We now have a date, but
it is not until March of 2026.
526
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,579
I've seen people saying,
"Oh, I can't believe
527
00:40:42,591 --> 00:40:43,996
the trial's not until
2026. I can't wait.
528
00:40:43,997 --> 00:40:47,040
" In there is the assumption
that this is all entertainment.
529
00:40:47,041 --> 00:40:49,040
March of 2026.
530
00:40:49,041 --> 00:40:51,040
Really?
531
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:53,040
2026?
532
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:57,040
I want that judge dismissed
and waterboarded immediately.
533
00:40:57,041 --> 00:41:03,040
There are just hundreds of pages of
legal documents here that have been filed.
534
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:09,028
The amount of texts and
photos and information out
535
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,040
there is almost
unprecedented for a civil lawsuit.
536
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:23,367
Blake Lively has promised to bring forward two more
women from "It Ends With Us" who say that Justin Baldoni
537
00:41:23,379 --> 00:41:27,840
mistreated her and mistreated them on set and if that
comes to fruition, that would be a big deal for the case.
538
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:33,056
I think it's important to realize
that all of the stuff we're seeing so
539
00:41:33,068 --> 00:41:37,040
far, none of this is actually evidence
that's been presented in court.
540
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:43,153
I think in any of these cases, there's
always a case of he said, she said, because
541
00:41:43,165 --> 00:41:47,040
we're not on the inside. We're just
looking at what they're presenting to us.
542
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,209
In my professional opinion, Blake Lively has a
stronger case because all of Justin Baldoni's
543
00:41:57,221 --> 00:42:01,040
arguments about fame and control don't
really refute her claim of sexual harassment.
544
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,941
Those allegations, the improvising of the
kissing, talking about pornography, regardless of
545
00:42:08,953 --> 00:42:13,040
where your workplace is, those seem to be pretty
strong basis for a claim of sexual harassment.
546
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,040
The pair seem intransigent,
set to take this all the way to trial.
547
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:30,130
This will be a jury trial, which means
that it's dependent on how 12 jurors view
548
00:42:30,142 --> 00:42:34,040
this case, even though technically
they're not supposed to influence a jury.
549
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:39,028
Both sides absolutely want
to get their perspective out,
550
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:43,040
not only for their case at
hand, but for public opinion.
551
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:51,028
From a PR standpoint, both
of them are going to have
552
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:55,040
a hard time getting the
mud off of their reputation.
553
00:42:55,041 --> 00:42:59,040
They're both going to have to do some work.
554
00:43:00,790 --> 00:43:04,040
I believe for Blake, she
needs to be vulnerable.
555
00:43:04,041 --> 00:43:08,040
She needs to have a moment
where she's a mom of four.
556
00:43:08,041 --> 00:43:11,909
We want to be connected
to her and empathize like
557
00:43:11,921 --> 00:43:16,040
what woman hasn't been
uncomfortable in a workplace.
558
00:43:16,041 --> 00:43:19,040
That's a common situation
and we want to support her.
559
00:43:19,041 --> 00:43:25,040
For Justin, you know, he has this
platform of debunking toxic masculinity.
560
00:43:25,041 --> 00:43:29,040
He needs to also, hey, tail
between my legs here, guys.
561
00:43:29,041 --> 00:43:32,040
I could have done better.
562
00:43:32,041 --> 00:43:33,081
That's a relatable moment.
563
00:43:40,165 --> 00:43:44,275
The saddest thing about this is
the message of this movie is taking
564
00:43:44,287 --> 00:43:48,040
second place to this conversation
about what happened on set.
565
00:43:49,140 --> 00:43:53,183
The biggest loss here is this incredible
film that so many people were really
566
00:43:53,195 --> 00:43:57,040
excited about and a topic that really
needs to be addressed in Hollywood.
567
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:02,040
At this point, this is basically
like the unraveling of a family feud.
568
00:44:02,740 --> 00:44:05,091
In terms of winners and losers,
there really are no winners.
569
00:44:05,115 --> 00:44:06,115
It's all losers.
570
00:44:06,490 --> 00:44:10,040
The bigger loser here is
victims of domestic violence.
571
00:44:10,041 --> 00:44:14,040
This movie was about domestic violence and
nobody's talking about domestic violence.
572
00:44:14,041 --> 00:44:17,089
The other sad thing is
that there is an allegation
573
00:44:17,101 --> 00:44:20,040
of sexual harassment on
a domestic violence set.
574
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,555
And the whole public seems to
have decided whether or not that's
575
00:44:24,567 --> 00:44:28,040
true long before the evidence
has even been introduced a trial.
576
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:52,040
That's true.
577
00:44:52,041 --> 00:44:53,040
That's true.
578
00:44:53,041 --> 00:44:54,041
That's true.
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