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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,006 --> 00:00:08,008 [mysterious music playing] 2 00:00:12,887 --> 00:00:14,639 [distorted voice] I never knew who Gerry was. 3 00:00:15,807 --> 00:00:18,643 My name is Gerald Cotten, and I'm the founder of QuadrigaCX. 4 00:00:23,356 --> 00:00:25,650 [wolf man] And I actually didn't need to know who Gerry was. 5 00:00:26,234 --> 00:00:28,862 When you're conducting business across the Internet, 6 00:00:29,779 --> 00:00:34,784 you're putting your trust in this little kind of veneer of the website. 7 00:00:34,868 --> 00:00:35,744 [computer dings] 8 00:00:35,827 --> 00:00:40,498 It's a bunch of HTML pages cobbled together with string and tape. 9 00:00:40,582 --> 00:00:44,669 Strip the veneer away and you realize how actually fragile that is 10 00:00:45,545 --> 00:00:48,631 and that actually behind that website are real people. 11 00:00:48,715 --> 00:00:51,134 [clicking] 12 00:00:51,217 --> 00:00:54,637 And it's those people that you need to trust. 13 00:00:54,721 --> 00:00:56,681 [mysterious music continues] 14 00:01:02,270 --> 00:01:03,605 [computer chimes] 15 00:01:04,189 --> 00:01:06,566 This is a real mystery that's unfolding this morning, 16 00:01:06,649 --> 00:01:08,902 and it all has to do with the death of Gerald Cotten, 17 00:01:08,985 --> 00:01:12,822 along with the disappearance of $250 million. 18 00:01:16,785 --> 00:01:18,036 Where is this money? 19 00:01:18,119 --> 00:01:20,955 [reporter] About 110,000 customer accounts. 20 00:01:21,039 --> 00:01:24,209 [man 2] This was all my money, my life savings, everything. 21 00:01:24,292 --> 00:01:25,168 [computer chimes] 22 00:01:25,251 --> 00:01:27,962 [reporter 2] It puts this whole Bitcoin world in the crosshairs. 23 00:01:30,590 --> 00:01:33,343 There's some people suggesting that maybe he's not dead. 24 00:01:36,179 --> 00:01:39,891 [woman] Allegedly, Gerry faked his own death and ran off with the money. 25 00:01:39,974 --> 00:01:44,229 He was now in hiding and had had his face modified by a plastic surgeon. 26 00:01:44,813 --> 00:01:46,314 [man laughing] 27 00:01:47,107 --> 00:01:48,858 [man 3] He could be a citizen of 20 countries 28 00:01:48,942 --> 00:01:51,486 under 20 different faces and 20 different names. 29 00:01:53,571 --> 00:01:55,406 Okay, now scan the QR code… 30 00:01:55,490 --> 00:02:00,954 [man 4] He doesn't come off as a sophisticated criminal mastermind. 31 00:02:01,037 --> 00:02:03,123 [whirring] 32 00:02:03,206 --> 00:02:04,415 [chuckles] 33 00:02:04,999 --> 00:02:07,669 [wolf man] There were so many different pieces to the story. 34 00:02:07,752 --> 00:02:09,462 So many questions. 35 00:02:09,546 --> 00:02:10,421 [phone chimes] 36 00:02:10,505 --> 00:02:12,257 [man 5] We need to get to the bottom of this. 37 00:02:13,216 --> 00:02:18,096 [woman 2] It turned into a shit tornado of catastrophic proportions. 38 00:02:19,472 --> 00:02:21,933 [computer chiming] 39 00:02:26,563 --> 00:02:30,441 [man 3] Either I know a guy who screwed up and lost a quarter billion, 40 00:02:30,525 --> 00:02:33,611 or I know a guy who pulled off one of the greatest crimes in history. 41 00:02:33,695 --> 00:02:36,364 [suspenseful music playing] 42 00:02:45,540 --> 00:02:47,542 [mysterious music playing] 43 00:02:52,922 --> 00:02:54,924 [man 6] Bitcoin can change the world. 44 00:02:55,592 --> 00:02:56,801 That's my belief. 45 00:02:57,468 --> 00:03:00,013 I believe that Gerry thought the same thing. 46 00:03:08,104 --> 00:03:10,773 Bitcoin is counterculture. 47 00:03:10,857 --> 00:03:16,362 There's an element of rebellion to it, and in that regard, you could say, uh, 48 00:03:16,446 --> 00:03:19,115 there's a bit of rock and roll going on to Bitcoin. 49 00:03:19,616 --> 00:03:21,367 But a lot of crypto people 50 00:03:22,452 --> 00:03:26,456 either are paranoid or specifically distrust people. 51 00:03:26,539 --> 00:03:29,083 Trust is not common in my industry. 52 00:03:29,167 --> 00:03:31,794 I bet a lot of them did not agree to do this. 53 00:03:32,754 --> 00:03:34,756 [energetic music playing] 54 00:03:40,220 --> 00:03:42,430 [man 3] There's only so much time to, uh, exercise 55 00:03:42,513 --> 00:03:44,933 when you're living the crypto life, so you do what you can. 56 00:03:49,395 --> 00:03:52,148 Me, I'm, u… I'm really, like, a number guy. 57 00:03:52,232 --> 00:03:53,775 I don't do words. I do numbers. 58 00:03:53,858 --> 00:03:56,069 Yeah, I definitely trust technology more than I do people. 59 00:03:58,988 --> 00:04:00,156 That's awesome. 60 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,784 When I first heard about Bitcoin, it was, like, early 2013. 61 00:04:02,867 --> 00:04:04,786 I'd found the local community here. 62 00:04:04,869 --> 00:04:06,913 Uh, we were just meeting in restaurants once a week 63 00:04:06,996 --> 00:04:08,998 and just talking about Bitcoin. 64 00:04:09,082 --> 00:04:11,459 You know, the same eight to 12 people every time. 65 00:04:12,043 --> 00:04:15,546 It was through the Bitcoin co-op and community that I met Gerry Cotten. 66 00:04:21,386 --> 00:04:23,554 Gerald, starting with you. 67 00:04:23,638 --> 00:04:25,473 -Yes. -What's your story? 68 00:04:25,556 --> 00:04:27,725 You were born. Now you're here. What happened in between? 69 00:04:27,809 --> 00:04:29,060 [chuckles] 70 00:04:30,561 --> 00:04:34,315 Gerry came across friendly, positive, upbeat. 71 00:04:36,109 --> 00:04:37,568 He always laughed. 72 00:04:37,652 --> 00:04:40,613 Like, I don't know what Gerry would look like angry. 73 00:04:40,697 --> 00:04:42,740 [man 7] Gerry's stuck in the maze. 74 00:04:46,119 --> 00:04:47,870 [laughs] 75 00:04:47,954 --> 00:04:52,917 Everyone that was part of that scene at the time was definitely very nerdy. 76 00:04:53,001 --> 00:04:55,044 [whirring] 77 00:04:55,128 --> 00:04:58,715 I wouldn't describe any of us as really fitting in anywhere. 78 00:04:59,299 --> 00:05:01,801 [Gerry laughs] 79 00:05:02,468 --> 00:05:05,763 Everyone has a thing they're a nerd about, and they just like that thing. 80 00:05:05,847 --> 00:05:07,265 I think it's all right. 81 00:05:08,266 --> 00:05:10,101 It seems like Gerry's was business. 82 00:05:10,184 --> 00:05:12,228 [Gerry] Bitcoin is a digital currency. 83 00:05:12,729 --> 00:05:16,733 It's basically like you have cash, but it exists only in digital form. 84 00:05:16,816 --> 00:05:23,156 Gerry was an incredibly charming, very smart promoter of the technology. 85 00:05:23,823 --> 00:05:25,908 The Bitcoin community is trying to move away 86 00:05:25,992 --> 00:05:30,496 from the traditional forms of currency and into this modern, digital currency, 87 00:05:30,580 --> 00:05:33,249 which doesn't have the bureaucracy of the banks. 88 00:05:33,750 --> 00:05:36,169 Smart, um, and knew it. 89 00:05:36,753 --> 00:05:39,422 But one of the hardest parts was acquiring the Bitcoin. 90 00:05:39,505 --> 00:05:40,757 Especially in Canada. 91 00:05:41,424 --> 00:05:44,719 So I created QuadrigaCX in 2013 92 00:05:44,802 --> 00:05:46,929 for buying and selling Bitcoin. 93 00:05:47,013 --> 00:05:50,224 [Gerry] So for those who aren't familiar with Bitcoin exchanges and what we do, 94 00:05:50,308 --> 00:05:52,393 I like to compare it to a stock exchange. 95 00:05:52,477 --> 00:05:56,189 However, instead of trading stocks in our exchange, people trade Bitcoin. 96 00:05:57,190 --> 00:05:58,524 [Amber] In its simplest form, 97 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:03,571 a cryptocurrency exchange is something that would allow you to exchange 98 00:06:03,654 --> 00:06:06,741 between Bitcoin and dollars, dollars and Bitcoin. 99 00:06:07,909 --> 00:06:08,951 [beeps] 100 00:06:09,035 --> 00:06:11,496 And they make money by taking a fee 101 00:06:11,579 --> 00:06:14,123 for each of those trades that they process. 102 00:06:18,252 --> 00:06:20,463 [Alex] The Bitcoin Club had just been going to restaurants 103 00:06:20,546 --> 00:06:23,800 and just trying to find a place to let us sit and talk about Bitcoin. 104 00:06:23,883 --> 00:06:26,677 When the Quadriga office opened, Gerry kind of invited us all in, um, 105 00:06:26,761 --> 00:06:29,514 the whole community, and he said, "You can just come here and hang out." 106 00:06:29,597 --> 00:06:31,557 "This can be the place we talk about Bitcoin." 107 00:06:32,683 --> 00:06:36,646 You know, people had really high hopes Quadriga would help legitimize Bitcoin. 108 00:06:36,729 --> 00:06:39,107 I see it as a pivotal moment in the Bitcoin space. 109 00:06:39,899 --> 00:06:44,070 It's basically a new chapter as we move towards the mainstream financial industry. 110 00:06:44,946 --> 00:06:48,699 [Andrew] We were at the meetup having Bitcoin beers 111 00:06:48,783 --> 00:06:53,037 when, uh, someone said, "Guys, check the Bitcoin price." 112 00:06:53,121 --> 00:06:55,248 It is the hottest currency in the world. 113 00:06:55,331 --> 00:06:57,875 Bitcoin's value has skyrocketed. 114 00:06:57,959 --> 00:07:01,087 The chart looks like the left-hand side of an Eiffel Tower. 115 00:07:01,170 --> 00:07:04,549 And we all took out our phones and started yelling like, "Oh my God!" 116 00:07:04,632 --> 00:07:06,634 "Guys, look. Oh my God! Look at it go." 117 00:07:06,717 --> 00:07:09,345 [reporter 3] Bitcoin's value reached $11,000. 118 00:07:09,429 --> 00:07:10,263 12,000. 119 00:07:10,346 --> 00:07:11,556 [reporter 4] $15,000. 120 00:07:11,639 --> 00:07:13,057 $17,000. 121 00:07:13,141 --> 00:07:15,059 $18,000. 122 00:07:15,143 --> 00:07:18,271 The new currency is making a lot of people rich. 123 00:07:18,354 --> 00:07:20,398 Ten years ago, it didn't even exist. 124 00:07:20,481 --> 00:07:22,442 I have to say I'm feeling a bit of FOMO here. 125 00:07:23,025 --> 00:07:28,406 Bitcoin went from relative obscurity to front page news. 126 00:07:28,489 --> 00:07:30,616 [reporter 5] Bitcoin is becoming mainstream. 127 00:07:30,700 --> 00:07:33,995 Every bar I go into, the bartender wants to talk about Bitcoin. 128 00:07:34,078 --> 00:07:38,207 When Quadriga was founded in 2013, when Bitcoin was only worth $100, 129 00:07:38,291 --> 00:07:41,002 if you fast-forward all the way to near the end of 2017, 130 00:07:41,085 --> 00:07:44,130 we had our, uh, touch of $20,000 Bitcoin. 131 00:07:44,213 --> 00:07:47,133 People would say, "Where should I get Bitcoin?" I would say, "QuadrigaCX." 132 00:07:47,216 --> 00:07:49,385 [narrator] Introducing QuadrigaCX… 133 00:07:49,469 --> 00:07:53,097 If you had an interest in Bitcoin and were in Canada, you'd heard of Quadriga. 134 00:07:53,181 --> 00:07:55,600 When we began, we were a relatively small company, 135 00:07:55,683 --> 00:07:57,768 trading just a few Bitcoins every day. 136 00:07:57,852 --> 00:07:59,145 However, over the past year, 137 00:07:59,228 --> 00:08:01,731 we've grown to become the largest exchange in the country. 138 00:08:01,814 --> 00:08:03,816 [applause] 139 00:08:05,902 --> 00:08:08,613 Every time there's a wave of adoption, it's good and bad. 140 00:08:08,696 --> 00:08:10,239 You get a few new believers 141 00:08:10,323 --> 00:08:12,533 and a whole lot of new people trying to get rich. 142 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,175 Hi, everyone. My name's Tong, and I'm a Chinese Canadian, 143 00:08:29,258 --> 00:08:30,801 and welcome to my YouTube channel. 144 00:08:30,885 --> 00:08:34,263 On my YouTube channel, there's a lot of different types of videos. 145 00:08:35,097 --> 00:08:37,141 [whirring] 146 00:08:38,518 --> 00:08:42,355 [Tong] And I hope you enjoy watching them as much as I enjoy making them. 147 00:08:42,855 --> 00:08:44,273 And, uh, thanks for watching. 148 00:08:45,650 --> 00:08:48,653 I was in San Francisco. You know, I'm a software engineer. 149 00:08:48,736 --> 00:08:51,739 Even though software engineers make good salaries in San Francisco, 150 00:08:51,822 --> 00:08:57,745 after working with virtually no stop for the past, um, seven, eight years, 151 00:08:58,329 --> 00:09:01,624 I wanted to quit. Travel or do something like that. 152 00:09:04,835 --> 00:09:08,381 A lot of my friends made a lot of money on cryptocurrency. 153 00:09:09,131 --> 00:09:11,717 They were making hundreds of thousands of dollars at the time. 154 00:09:16,389 --> 00:09:18,307 Oh my gosh. Look at this thing! 155 00:09:18,391 --> 00:09:19,642 [engine revs] 156 00:09:20,434 --> 00:09:24,480 In 2011, I bought Bitcoin at $2.52. 157 00:09:24,564 --> 00:09:30,653 And so, technically, this Lamborghini only cost me about $115. 158 00:09:30,736 --> 00:09:33,155 [engine revs] 159 00:09:33,239 --> 00:09:35,366 [man 8] Whoo-hoo! 160 00:09:37,034 --> 00:09:40,246 So I was like, "Okay, I gotta get some money too," 161 00:09:40,329 --> 00:09:42,498 so I just took out three loans. 162 00:09:42,582 --> 00:09:44,709 It was about $85,000 in total. 163 00:09:44,792 --> 00:09:48,045 And I put it all into different cryptocurrencies. 164 00:09:48,838 --> 00:09:49,922 [grunts] 165 00:09:50,006 --> 00:09:52,633 Nobody has the patience to wanna get rich slow. 166 00:09:52,717 --> 00:09:54,385 I wanted to keep up with my friends. 167 00:09:56,429 --> 00:09:57,513 Ah. 168 00:09:57,597 --> 00:09:58,681 Yeah, that's good. 169 00:10:00,891 --> 00:10:04,312 [Gerry] As of now, Canada's approximately one percent of the global trading volume. 170 00:10:04,395 --> 00:10:06,063 So as we expand globally, 171 00:10:06,147 --> 00:10:08,941 we'll be able to grow and our profits will increase dramatically. 172 00:10:10,359 --> 00:10:11,819 [man 9] And let me paint the picture. 173 00:10:11,902 --> 00:10:15,781 Mr. Cotten looks probably exactly what you think an Internet genius would look like. 174 00:10:15,865 --> 00:10:17,450 -A young, attractive man. -[Gerry laughs] 175 00:10:17,533 --> 00:10:20,453 So, yeah, yeah, he's exactly what you picture in your mind. 176 00:10:20,536 --> 00:10:22,705 How many coins did you buy at a time like this? 177 00:10:22,788 --> 00:10:24,165 [Gerry] Oh, like, a hundred. 178 00:10:24,248 --> 00:10:25,082 [man 9] Really? 179 00:10:25,166 --> 00:10:27,084 [Gerry] It was very profitable. And-- 180 00:10:27,168 --> 00:10:30,087 [man 9] Are we hanging out with Mark Zuckerberg? Is that what's going on? 181 00:10:30,171 --> 00:10:31,839 [Gerry laughs] 182 00:10:32,548 --> 00:10:37,595 In 2017, they did so well, like, everything's falling in your lap. 183 00:10:37,678 --> 00:10:41,641 Um, probably millions. No, not probably. Definitely tens of millions. 184 00:10:43,309 --> 00:10:44,685 He was buying a plane. 185 00:10:46,228 --> 00:10:47,229 Buying a boat. 186 00:10:48,022 --> 00:10:50,691 A little island, too, apparently. 187 00:10:51,442 --> 00:10:53,152 He started acquiring properties. 188 00:10:56,947 --> 00:10:58,783 And had been recently married. 189 00:11:00,534 --> 00:11:01,744 Here we go. 190 00:11:01,827 --> 00:11:05,122 [Amber] He was not flashy when he was here. 191 00:11:05,206 --> 00:11:08,125 He was a button-down shirt, jeans type of guy. 192 00:11:08,209 --> 00:11:11,545 -Now he was living the high life. -[Gerry] …away! 193 00:11:11,629 --> 00:11:13,631 [uplifting music playing] 194 00:11:15,966 --> 00:11:21,430 Traveling around the world and was living a digital nomad lifestyle. 195 00:11:23,599 --> 00:11:27,019 And just working from wherever he was, which was fantastic. 196 00:11:41,784 --> 00:11:43,994 Bitcoin rose and rose and rose. 197 00:11:46,706 --> 00:11:48,207 And ultimately, it crashed. 198 00:11:53,504 --> 00:11:54,505 And, uh, 199 00:11:55,339 --> 00:11:59,802 I think that was the beginning of troubles at QuadrigaCX. 200 00:12:02,513 --> 00:12:07,101 The Bitcoin roller coaster continues to be on a wild ride tonight. 201 00:12:07,184 --> 00:12:11,856 The cryptocurrency has gone from hitting a new record price yesterday 202 00:12:11,939 --> 00:12:13,524 to nose-diving today. 203 00:12:14,150 --> 00:12:15,860 The market started crashing. 204 00:12:16,944 --> 00:12:20,448 Bitcoin and all the other cryptocurrencies started to drop down. 205 00:12:20,948 --> 00:12:22,783 Bitcoin took a serious tumble. 206 00:12:22,867 --> 00:12:24,702 [reporter 6] It's now down almost 50%. 207 00:12:24,785 --> 00:12:26,162 [reporter 7] 60%. 208 00:12:26,245 --> 00:12:28,748 By December 2018, by the end of the year, 209 00:12:28,831 --> 00:12:31,667 I think Bitcoin was around $4,000 US. 210 00:12:34,295 --> 00:12:37,465 People who thought they were wealthy will suddenly become bankrupt overnight. 211 00:12:37,548 --> 00:12:39,049 [reporter 8] In just 24 hours, 212 00:12:39,133 --> 00:12:42,219 more than $60 billion was wiped off the value 213 00:12:42,303 --> 00:12:44,096 of the entire cryptocurrency market. 214 00:12:45,431 --> 00:12:46,807 [man 10] What's causing this crash? 215 00:12:46,891 --> 00:12:49,435 Usually, it isn't really easy to tell. There are different factors. 216 00:12:49,518 --> 00:12:52,313 But for once, this time, it's very clear what it was. 217 00:12:52,396 --> 00:12:55,149 China and South Korea wants to ban Bitcoin trading. 218 00:12:55,232 --> 00:12:58,944 And that was enough to really drive down the price of these cryptocurrencies. 219 00:13:03,824 --> 00:13:07,953 [Tong] I had a lot of debt because I took out $85,000 in loans. 220 00:13:08,037 --> 00:13:10,164 I was down maybe 70, 80% on that. 221 00:13:12,958 --> 00:13:15,252 The interest was really high on these loans, 222 00:13:15,336 --> 00:13:17,046 and I was paying my mortgage. 223 00:13:17,546 --> 00:13:19,298 It was a very stressful situation. 224 00:13:20,883 --> 00:13:24,428 My relationships with everyone, everything was souring because of it. 225 00:13:25,012 --> 00:13:28,766 The only thing I could think of at the time was to sell my apartment 226 00:13:28,849 --> 00:13:30,100 to get out of that debt. 227 00:13:35,314 --> 00:13:37,858 Of course, I had to pay off the personal loans I took out 228 00:13:37,942 --> 00:13:39,568 and then the mini-mortgage. 229 00:13:40,194 --> 00:13:42,655 After all that, I had about $400,000. 230 00:13:44,865 --> 00:13:47,868 I decided to move this $400,000 back to Canada. 231 00:13:47,952 --> 00:13:51,372 You don't wanna use the bank, because the bank will take 2% commission. 232 00:13:51,455 --> 00:13:55,417 So 2% commission on $400,000 you can already guess is a lot of money. 233 00:13:58,462 --> 00:14:02,007 I thought maybe I can use crypto to do it. 234 00:14:02,508 --> 00:14:07,888 I noticed that Quadriga had a 10% premium on there when-- when selling your Bitcoin. 235 00:14:09,306 --> 00:14:13,060 You can actually make some money transferring to Quadriga. 236 00:14:13,143 --> 00:14:14,478 So that's what I did. 237 00:14:15,521 --> 00:14:17,565 [narrator] You'll never have trouble moving funds 238 00:14:17,648 --> 00:14:20,776 into and out of your QuadrigaCX account. 239 00:14:23,112 --> 00:14:27,366 [Tong] So I transferred $400,000 worth of Bitcoin over to Quadriga. 240 00:14:32,621 --> 00:14:34,123 And I immediately sold it. 241 00:14:35,791 --> 00:14:37,668 I immediately tried to transfer it out. 242 00:14:37,751 --> 00:14:41,463 I bought in US dollars, but after selling in Quadriga, it becomes Canadian dollars. 243 00:14:41,547 --> 00:14:44,800 So I had a $500,000 Canadian withdrawal. 244 00:14:48,804 --> 00:14:51,432 And I remember it taking a long time. 245 00:14:53,642 --> 00:14:55,853 Kept waiting and nothing happened. 246 00:15:00,441 --> 00:15:02,318 I started to get worried a little bit. 247 00:15:02,902 --> 00:15:07,781 This was all my money, my life savings, everything, in this one exchange, 248 00:15:07,865 --> 00:15:08,824 and 249 00:15:10,034 --> 00:15:11,452 I was praying every day, 250 00:15:12,786 --> 00:15:14,747 hoping I would get my money soon. 251 00:15:26,967 --> 00:15:29,470 [woman 3] I always wanted to be an investigative reporter, 252 00:15:30,220 --> 00:15:33,140 sort of focused on business specifically. 253 00:15:33,891 --> 00:15:36,560 It definitely feels like you're a little bit of a detective. 254 00:15:39,855 --> 00:15:45,152 In the fall, 2018, I started getting tons and tons of emails 255 00:15:45,235 --> 00:15:48,447 from just random Quadriga users saying, 256 00:15:48,530 --> 00:15:52,534 "I can't get my money out," which seemed a bit strange. 257 00:15:53,285 --> 00:15:55,329 During the sort of boom, 258 00:15:55,412 --> 00:15:58,207 millions and millions of dollars from hundreds of users 259 00:15:58,290 --> 00:16:00,292 started flooding in to Quadriga. 260 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:04,880 According to some data that we got, 261 00:16:04,964 --> 00:16:10,386 $1.2 billion was transacted through Quadriga that year, 262 00:16:10,469 --> 00:16:14,723 and Quadriga was making money off of all of these transactions. 263 00:16:15,641 --> 00:16:18,894 I reached out to Quadriga. I emailed Gerry, and I said, 264 00:16:18,978 --> 00:16:21,772 "Hey, you know, I'm reporting a story for The Globe and Mail." 265 00:16:22,356 --> 00:16:25,734 "Users are saying they can't get money out of the exchange." 266 00:16:26,276 --> 00:16:27,861 And "Can you tell me what's going on?" 267 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:32,408 [computer beeps] 268 00:16:34,493 --> 00:16:38,789 He told me the reason that we can't process all these withdrawal requests 269 00:16:38,872 --> 00:16:41,667 is that the bank has literally frozen our money, 270 00:16:41,750 --> 00:16:44,461 because they don't trust cryptocurrency exchanges. 271 00:16:44,545 --> 00:16:48,549 He said, "We have $26 million sitting in these bank accounts, 272 00:16:48,632 --> 00:16:51,301 so really it's the bank's fault people can't get their money out." 273 00:16:51,385 --> 00:16:56,432 It seemed like a plausible enough explanation, and he was very charming. 274 00:16:56,515 --> 00:17:00,894 He said, "Can you tell me who these people who are having issues getting money out 275 00:17:00,978 --> 00:17:03,689 because I'd love to clear it up with them." 276 00:17:03,772 --> 00:17:05,607 He seemed like a very nice guy. 277 00:17:07,943 --> 00:17:11,196 [Tong] I started my withdrawal request around late October. 278 00:17:13,824 --> 00:17:16,326 I waited. November 2018. 279 00:17:16,910 --> 00:17:17,745 Still nothing. 280 00:17:21,123 --> 00:17:24,043 By the end of December, I still haven't received anything. 281 00:17:24,626 --> 00:17:27,880 I emailed the support. They kept saying the same thing. 282 00:17:27,963 --> 00:17:29,965 "Gonna take one more week, two more weeks." 283 00:17:30,049 --> 00:17:32,217 "We'll get this resolved and figure it out." 284 00:17:37,806 --> 00:17:40,642 Of course, I was getting more and more frustrated. 285 00:17:42,311 --> 00:17:44,855 This went on into 2019. 286 00:17:46,815 --> 00:17:49,234 I started to panic. 287 00:17:52,154 --> 00:17:56,116 This was my-- my entire savings built through, you know, ten years of work 288 00:17:56,700 --> 00:17:58,118 and selling my apartment. 289 00:17:59,244 --> 00:18:00,746 And I just prayed to God. 290 00:18:04,458 --> 00:18:07,377 [Amber] Around that time, Gerry was traveling a lot, 291 00:18:08,170 --> 00:18:10,339 so I would message him, and I would get back, 292 00:18:10,422 --> 00:18:13,509 "Hey, I'm in Costa Rica," or "I'm in Iceland." 293 00:18:15,177 --> 00:18:16,512 But those were always followed 294 00:18:16,595 --> 00:18:19,932 with a "don't mention to anyone where I am," um, 295 00:18:20,974 --> 00:18:22,351 which was strange. 296 00:18:22,434 --> 00:18:26,897 Maybe that wasn't just his working from wherever he wanted to be. 297 00:18:26,980 --> 00:18:30,067 Maybe that was him avoiding something or someone. 298 00:18:33,654 --> 00:18:37,574 I had no idea what was about to unfold. 299 00:18:39,993 --> 00:18:42,204 [Tong] Kept waiting and nothing happened. 300 00:18:50,838 --> 00:18:53,048 It was like this until January 14th. 301 00:18:53,132 --> 00:18:54,466 I remember the exact date, 302 00:18:54,550 --> 00:18:58,512 because January 14th is when everything kind of blew up. 303 00:19:02,141 --> 00:19:06,353 [reporter 9] Canada's largest cryptocurrency exchange is in hot water. 304 00:19:07,729 --> 00:19:12,151 Scott is here to help us unravel what we know so far. 305 00:19:14,319 --> 00:19:15,195 -Scott. -Yeah. 306 00:19:15,279 --> 00:19:17,573 This is a real mystery that's unfolding this morning, 307 00:19:17,656 --> 00:19:19,783 and it all has to do with the death of the CEO. 308 00:19:21,869 --> 00:19:27,040 Here he is here, Gerald Cotten. He's the founder of QuadrigaCX. 309 00:19:29,376 --> 00:19:34,631 [reporter 10] The wife of Gerry Cotten, Jennifer Robertson, said he died suddenly 310 00:19:34,715 --> 00:19:37,676 while in India at the age of just 30. 311 00:19:39,761 --> 00:19:44,016 [Alexandra] I was sort of shocked. I thought, "What was he doing in India?" 312 00:19:46,435 --> 00:19:47,561 [Tong] Oh, man. 313 00:19:49,021 --> 00:19:50,022 I felt 314 00:19:51,398 --> 00:19:52,566 very nervous. 315 00:19:55,027 --> 00:19:59,156 -And this is an evolving story. -Well, keep an eye on that for us if you-- 316 00:20:03,827 --> 00:20:06,663 [Alex] It just was, like, a real shocker. Um… 317 00:20:07,497 --> 00:20:11,293 He must have been doing great with the Bitcoin and his business. 318 00:20:14,004 --> 00:20:16,173 And then just one day he was gone. Um… 319 00:20:17,216 --> 00:20:20,052 Um, just… You always expect you're gonna see someone again that you know, 320 00:20:20,135 --> 00:20:22,512 and just one day you find out you won't. 321 00:20:24,514 --> 00:20:26,266 [Amber] I was shocked. 322 00:20:27,100 --> 00:20:29,895 And I was-- I was really taken aback. 323 00:20:34,566 --> 00:20:35,525 I was very sad. 324 00:20:36,818 --> 00:20:38,028 And he was so young. 325 00:20:43,242 --> 00:20:45,786 [Alexandra] My editor said, you know, "Keep an eye on it." 326 00:20:48,205 --> 00:20:50,082 And then shortly after, 327 00:20:51,041 --> 00:20:53,043 the exchange suddenly stopped working. 328 00:20:57,339 --> 00:20:58,298 [computer chimes] 329 00:20:58,924 --> 00:21:01,718 And then Quadriga posted a notice saying that no one knew 330 00:21:01,802 --> 00:21:03,387 how to access the cryptocurrency. 331 00:21:06,181 --> 00:21:10,519 And that's when I kind of realized that Gerry was the only guy 332 00:21:10,602 --> 00:21:13,689 who knew all the passwords into the cryptocurrency. 333 00:21:16,108 --> 00:21:19,236 At that point, the story just goes nuts. 334 00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:22,030 This is an astonishing story. 335 00:21:22,114 --> 00:21:26,034 Gerald Cotten passed away, and he took the passwords with him. 336 00:21:26,118 --> 00:21:30,330 And that means $190 million of customers' holdings are locked inside, 337 00:21:30,414 --> 00:21:32,165 and no one can access them. 338 00:21:34,459 --> 00:21:40,132 And I think it was at that point, I was like, "Oh. Oh, crap." [chuckles] 339 00:21:40,757 --> 00:21:42,926 I felt like I was having a heart attack. 340 00:21:43,010 --> 00:21:45,137 -[heavy breathing] -[heart beating] 341 00:21:45,220 --> 00:21:47,973 [Tong] It felt like there was this pressure on my chest. 342 00:21:50,142 --> 00:21:53,395 I-- I wanted, just like everyone else, to get our money. 343 00:21:54,229 --> 00:21:57,107 It didn't seem real that this was happening to me. Um… 344 00:21:58,066 --> 00:22:00,569 Right. This-- It can't be, 'cause… 345 00:22:07,034 --> 00:22:09,077 [Andrew] People question every story. 346 00:22:09,161 --> 00:22:10,662 People are suspicious, 347 00:22:11,663 --> 00:22:13,582 especially when money is involved. 348 00:22:13,665 --> 00:22:15,792 Especially when their money is involved. 349 00:22:17,044 --> 00:22:21,631 [Alexandra] Usually if you're running a cryptocurrency company or an exchange, 350 00:22:21,715 --> 00:22:24,009 you have safeguards in place, right? 351 00:22:24,092 --> 00:22:26,678 So that if you do die or something happens to you, 352 00:22:26,762 --> 00:22:29,264 someone, you know, knows how to access it. 353 00:22:30,766 --> 00:22:32,976 It's like, it just didn't make sense. 354 00:22:49,284 --> 00:22:51,578 My initial reaction is, "Bullshit." 355 00:22:52,788 --> 00:22:53,955 "This is bullshit." 356 00:22:56,124 --> 00:22:58,210 I'm an AI consultant. 357 00:22:59,544 --> 00:23:03,507 I quit my day job, was going to start my own company. 358 00:23:04,132 --> 00:23:08,595 I decided to use Quadriga to try to make money till my company takes off. 359 00:23:09,763 --> 00:23:13,266 I put around $70,000 in there. 360 00:23:14,935 --> 00:23:18,355 And then, um, Quadriga did not honor the withdrawal. 361 00:23:19,815 --> 00:23:20,816 [phone chimes] 362 00:23:21,775 --> 00:23:24,403 And that's when I saw the statement 363 00:23:24,486 --> 00:23:28,323 from Jennifer Robertson, wife and partner of Gerald Cotten. 364 00:23:28,907 --> 00:23:31,868 "Gerry died due to complications of Crohn's disease 365 00:23:32,494 --> 00:23:37,457 on December 9, 2018, while traveling in India 366 00:23:37,541 --> 00:23:40,836 where he was opening an orphanage for children in need." 367 00:23:42,504 --> 00:23:46,341 "Sincerely, Jennifer Robertson, Estate Executor of Gerald Cotten." 368 00:23:49,553 --> 00:23:53,348 The India, the orphanage. I'm like, "Gimme a break." 369 00:23:55,684 --> 00:23:57,727 Gerry died on December 9th. 370 00:23:58,228 --> 00:24:01,648 The date they announced it, January 14th. 371 00:24:01,731 --> 00:24:03,775 To come out and make a statement 372 00:24:03,859 --> 00:24:07,654 a month after his death… 373 00:24:10,157 --> 00:24:11,199 sounds wrong. 374 00:24:12,159 --> 00:24:14,411 This is not right. Something is off. 375 00:24:17,789 --> 00:24:19,374 Hey, guys. How's it going? 376 00:24:19,458 --> 00:24:23,670 Um, so I just wanna give an update, um, about my situation right now. 377 00:24:23,753 --> 00:24:28,091 Like, who could have predicted that a CEO would die mysteriously 378 00:24:28,175 --> 00:24:30,677 under mysterious circumstances in India? 379 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,138 You know, he was the only one that had the keys to the wallet, 380 00:24:33,221 --> 00:24:34,723 but who can you really believe? 381 00:24:35,307 --> 00:24:39,519 It's-- it's a really depressing and shocking thing to happen. 382 00:24:40,562 --> 00:24:42,647 The next steps is to, um… 383 00:24:46,610 --> 00:24:47,986 [sighs] 384 00:24:48,069 --> 00:24:49,404 Of course I was angry. 385 00:24:50,030 --> 00:24:51,406 I wanted to find out 386 00:24:51,490 --> 00:24:55,202 if there was an active community I could chat with about this. 387 00:24:55,285 --> 00:24:56,244 So I looked on Telegram, 388 00:24:56,328 --> 00:24:59,372 because Telegram is actually what I used for a lot of crypto groups. 389 00:25:03,460 --> 00:25:05,170 Tried to search for Quadriga. 390 00:25:07,464 --> 00:25:10,175 So there was this main Quadriga Telegram group, 391 00:25:10,258 --> 00:25:13,970 QuadrigaUncovered, that had a lot of other affected users on it. 392 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:17,807 [computer dings] 393 00:25:21,895 --> 00:25:23,271 [computer chiming] 394 00:25:36,117 --> 00:25:37,494 [computer dings] 395 00:25:38,286 --> 00:25:39,621 [computer chiming] 396 00:25:42,249 --> 00:25:44,209 [Tong] A lot of people just wanted answers. 397 00:25:44,709 --> 00:25:46,086 What happened to our money? 398 00:25:46,169 --> 00:25:47,879 What happened to Gerry Cotten? 399 00:25:48,838 --> 00:25:52,050 No one was out there to help us. We were on our own, basically. 400 00:25:52,133 --> 00:25:54,261 It was chaos, right? It was like a bunch of people. 401 00:25:54,928 --> 00:25:57,389 Some are, like me, looking for their money. 402 00:25:57,472 --> 00:25:58,765 [computer chimes] 403 00:25:58,848 --> 00:26:00,392 Some just trolling. 404 00:26:00,475 --> 00:26:01,893 [computer chimes] 405 00:26:01,977 --> 00:26:03,019 [computer dings] 406 00:26:05,981 --> 00:26:09,484 [Ali] But there's also a person named QCXINT. 407 00:26:11,403 --> 00:26:14,489 He sort of brought in this spirit of investigation. 408 00:26:18,159 --> 00:26:21,246 He's the old, wise man on top of the hill that we go to. 409 00:26:21,746 --> 00:26:24,291 I'm not sure what I can reveal about his investigation or not. 410 00:26:24,874 --> 00:26:26,626 'Cause I'm just always, like, worried 411 00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:28,920 that he's gonna yell at me for saying too much. 412 00:26:33,717 --> 00:26:36,386 [QCXINT] One of the things that you often have to practice 413 00:26:36,469 --> 00:26:39,055 when you get into crypto is good "op sec." 414 00:26:39,848 --> 00:26:41,808 Short for "operational security." 415 00:26:43,643 --> 00:26:45,854 Crypto is fairly unregulated. 416 00:26:47,188 --> 00:26:49,649 You have to be extremely, extremely careful 417 00:26:49,733 --> 00:26:52,485 when you're dealing with large sums. 418 00:26:54,404 --> 00:26:58,575 Some individuals, they have actually been attacked and then tortured 419 00:26:58,658 --> 00:27:01,161 to give up their keys and things like that. 420 00:27:13,506 --> 00:27:15,091 And that's part of the reason why 421 00:27:16,259 --> 00:27:18,178 I like to remain anonymous. 422 00:27:24,351 --> 00:27:26,561 I'd been trading on Quadriga 423 00:27:26,645 --> 00:27:29,814 in kind of dribs and drabs in 2018, 424 00:27:29,898 --> 00:27:33,777 but unfortunately, over time, it kind of accumulated to the point 425 00:27:33,860 --> 00:27:37,155 where I probably had more funds in the exchange 426 00:27:37,238 --> 00:27:39,574 than I was strictly comfortable with. 427 00:27:39,658 --> 00:27:42,994 Um, you know, so, at the end of the day, when Quadriga went down, 428 00:27:43,078 --> 00:27:44,621 that was a significant sum. 429 00:27:44,704 --> 00:27:47,290 That was, you know, north of six figures, top sum. 430 00:27:49,042 --> 00:27:52,837 So I guess being personally involved with this story, 431 00:27:52,921 --> 00:27:57,550 I was highly incentivized to find out what had happened. 432 00:27:57,634 --> 00:27:58,927 [computer chiming] 433 00:28:07,310 --> 00:28:10,063 [QCXINT] There's this explosion of interest into the circumstances 434 00:28:10,146 --> 00:28:12,148 of Gerry's death in India. 435 00:28:13,692 --> 00:28:16,611 [Tong] We just started investigating what might have happened. 436 00:28:18,738 --> 00:28:19,739 [computer dings] 437 00:28:27,038 --> 00:28:29,457 [QCXINT] Everything is turned over. Everything is looked at. 438 00:28:29,541 --> 00:28:32,210 And we were all looking at his Instagram account. 439 00:28:33,169 --> 00:28:36,381 Looking at his wife Jennifer's Instagram account. 440 00:28:36,464 --> 00:28:38,258 Looking at their travel photos. 441 00:28:38,341 --> 00:28:41,219 Looking for any little tidbit of information. 442 00:28:42,846 --> 00:28:44,973 [computer chiming] 443 00:28:48,810 --> 00:28:51,813 [QCXINT] So we start looking into Crohn's disease 444 00:28:51,896 --> 00:28:55,900 and whether or not this was actually something that you could die from. 445 00:28:56,484 --> 00:28:58,236 [Ali] I sort of started Googling it. 446 00:28:59,112 --> 00:29:02,991 From what I gathered, it's a form of stomach sickness. 447 00:29:03,074 --> 00:29:04,659 You get diarrhea. 448 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,829 Certain food could trigger it more than other food. 449 00:29:14,127 --> 00:29:15,879 [Tong] People don't die from Crohn's disease, 450 00:29:15,962 --> 00:29:18,423 -especially at a young age. -[computer chiming] 451 00:29:28,057 --> 00:29:31,603 [Ali] Then the death certificate starts circulating around. 452 00:29:32,645 --> 00:29:35,356 [QCXINT] It was originally sourced by reporters. 453 00:29:36,065 --> 00:29:38,193 And it had misspelled his last name. 454 00:29:39,235 --> 00:29:42,906 C-O-T-T-A-N instead of C-O-T-T-E-N. 455 00:29:42,989 --> 00:29:44,365 [computer chiming] 456 00:29:51,456 --> 00:29:54,292 [QCXINT] What is interesting is that there is a market 457 00:29:54,375 --> 00:29:56,503 for kind of fake death certificates. 458 00:29:56,586 --> 00:29:57,796 Such things do exist. 459 00:29:57,879 --> 00:29:59,005 [computer chimes] 460 00:30:01,591 --> 00:30:05,178 [QCXINT] And then I spoke to someone that knew Gerry personally. 461 00:30:06,805 --> 00:30:08,765 He shared some info with me. 462 00:30:09,474 --> 00:30:12,101 He sent me a screenshot of Gerry's Skype profile, 463 00:30:12,685 --> 00:30:17,023 and it showed that Gerry's Skype cam was active after his death. 464 00:30:21,486 --> 00:30:22,529 What the fuck? 465 00:30:22,612 --> 00:30:24,489 I guess you could call it red flags. 466 00:30:24,572 --> 00:30:25,907 To me, this looks like 467 00:30:26,783 --> 00:30:28,618 Gerry was still alive. 468 00:30:28,701 --> 00:30:29,953 [computer chiming] 469 00:30:33,665 --> 00:30:35,667 [QCXINT] I think myself, like a lot of other people, 470 00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:38,253 immediately thought that this might be an exit scam 471 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,338 and that he hadn't died, 472 00:30:40,421 --> 00:30:43,258 that he had almost definitely faked his own death 473 00:30:43,341 --> 00:30:45,760 and that he'd actually run off with the crypto 474 00:30:46,970 --> 00:30:49,639 and was kind of hiding on an island somewhere. 475 00:30:50,265 --> 00:30:51,516 [computer chimes] 476 00:30:53,977 --> 00:30:55,603 [man 10] I'm not convinced he's dead. 477 00:30:56,104 --> 00:30:58,398 What do you guys think? Do you think he is dead? 478 00:30:58,481 --> 00:31:03,403 My spider senses, not, no, nope. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. 479 00:31:03,486 --> 00:31:05,572 This guy is not dead. 480 00:31:05,655 --> 00:31:06,906 [computer chimes] 481 00:31:07,740 --> 00:31:08,825 [man 11] He faked it. 482 00:31:10,034 --> 00:31:11,369 [computer chiming] 483 00:31:24,924 --> 00:31:26,467 I started working on this story 484 00:31:26,551 --> 00:31:29,304 with another Globe And Mail reporter named Joe Castaldo. 485 00:31:30,430 --> 00:31:34,475 If somebody fakes their own death, 486 00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:36,728 that is just an amazing story. 487 00:31:36,811 --> 00:31:39,355 And there's precedent for it too. 488 00:31:39,439 --> 00:31:42,984 Now to the strange case of hedge fund swindler Samuel Israel. 489 00:31:43,610 --> 00:31:46,154 Last week, it appeared he might have killed himself 490 00:31:46,237 --> 00:31:48,531 rather than serve a long stretch in prison. 491 00:31:48,615 --> 00:31:52,035 But tonight, federal authorities think he staged the whole thing. 492 00:31:52,118 --> 00:31:55,955 This US hedge fund manager, he left his car on a bridge, 493 00:31:56,039 --> 00:32:00,960 and I think wrote in the dust on his hood or something like "suicide is painless" 494 00:32:01,044 --> 00:32:02,921 to make it look like he jumped. 495 00:32:03,004 --> 00:32:05,131 But in fact, he turned himself in a month later. 496 00:32:05,924 --> 00:32:09,052 I was thinking of that story when this happened with Gerry. 497 00:32:09,135 --> 00:32:12,388 Well, it's happened before. It could happen again. 498 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,726 [QCXINT] It seemed like something out of a movie script, 499 00:32:17,518 --> 00:32:19,312 but you know, you have to ask yourself, 500 00:32:20,146 --> 00:32:22,899 "Is Gerry capable of pulling off an exit scam?" 501 00:32:23,524 --> 00:32:27,195 I guess when I think of somebody who's a criminal mastermind, 502 00:32:27,278 --> 00:32:29,822 who's devious, calculating, cunning… 503 00:32:33,368 --> 00:32:38,456 what we don't think of is a slightly geeky 24-year-old. 504 00:32:41,668 --> 00:32:44,379 [Gerry chuckles] 505 00:32:44,462 --> 00:32:47,715 [Gerry] Charizard has chosen to use Bursting Inferno. 506 00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:49,384 [QCXINT] Burning Pokemon cards. 507 00:32:49,467 --> 00:32:50,426 [Gerry] Go! 508 00:32:52,261 --> 00:32:54,722 [QCXINT] And, um, melting money in a microwave. 509 00:32:56,307 --> 00:32:58,393 [Gerry] We'll put it in there for a minute. 510 00:32:59,477 --> 00:33:01,104 It looks like it's melting. 511 00:33:01,854 --> 00:33:03,690 [QCXINT] Looking at some of this material, 512 00:33:03,773 --> 00:33:06,234 you don't think, "Well, this is a criminal mastermind." 513 00:33:10,446 --> 00:33:11,864 He would've needed help. 514 00:33:18,162 --> 00:33:22,875 Husbands and wives tend to tell each other nearly everything. 515 00:33:24,335 --> 00:33:27,046 Oh, can I talk about Jen now? [laughs] 516 00:33:30,758 --> 00:33:33,886 His wife, Jennifer Robertson, was the only other person with him 517 00:33:33,970 --> 00:33:35,513 when he supposedly died. 518 00:33:38,641 --> 00:33:43,479 [QCXINT] Being the person seemingly in control of the exchange at that point… 519 00:33:44,272 --> 00:33:46,774 [Ali] Naturally, the group starts looking into her. 520 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,361 Who is she? Is she even real, right? 521 00:33:51,863 --> 00:33:55,658 [Joe] People who knew him didn't even really know about Jennifer, 522 00:33:55,742 --> 00:33:57,160 that they were together. 523 00:33:57,744 --> 00:34:00,038 And I found that just a little strange. 524 00:34:00,872 --> 00:34:04,417 I did not know he had a wife, um, or how long they were together. 525 00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:07,670 I'm not sure if he was, uh, dating her back when he was in Vancouver 526 00:34:07,754 --> 00:34:09,422 or if he had met her after the fact. 527 00:34:18,806 --> 00:34:21,309 Okay, where am I supposed to sit? 528 00:34:23,061 --> 00:34:24,812 I don't-- I can't have those. 529 00:34:26,898 --> 00:34:29,942 [interviewer] If someone had said to you, "Gerry's a criminal mastermind." 530 00:34:30,026 --> 00:34:33,154 "This is the kind of guy he is." What would you say to them? 531 00:34:33,237 --> 00:34:34,989 I would have told them to fuck off. 532 00:34:35,490 --> 00:34:37,492 Drop dead. Just get away from me. 533 00:34:37,575 --> 00:34:39,619 Like, I just can't… I can't… 534 00:34:40,203 --> 00:34:41,287 It enrages me. 535 00:34:44,123 --> 00:34:47,043 I really just want to be an advocate for my sister, 536 00:34:47,126 --> 00:34:52,006 because none of us have said anything. Her lawyers kept saying not to. 537 00:34:52,548 --> 00:34:56,344 Jenny had nobody, and I just have a lot that I wanna say. 538 00:34:57,595 --> 00:35:00,681 She's beautiful. She's funny. 539 00:35:00,765 --> 00:35:02,225 She's always happy. 540 00:35:02,809 --> 00:35:04,143 Um, well, was. 541 00:35:07,313 --> 00:35:12,860 The last time that I saw Gerry, he was calm, cool, collected. 542 00:35:12,944 --> 00:35:16,739 Uh, I would say I've got great intuition about people's moods. 543 00:35:18,491 --> 00:35:19,534 He loved Jenny. 544 00:35:19,617 --> 00:35:24,122 He wasn't trying to be the guy on a beach faking his death. 545 00:35:25,665 --> 00:35:26,874 Doesn't make sense. 546 00:35:28,709 --> 00:35:30,294 She met Gerry on Tinder, 547 00:35:30,378 --> 00:35:34,757 and he happened to be the very first person that she swiped right on. 548 00:35:35,675 --> 00:35:38,761 That was, you know, just before Christmas, 2014. 549 00:35:41,139 --> 00:35:44,600 At first, she didn't think that he was her type. 550 00:35:44,684 --> 00:35:48,479 He was kind of introverted, and, uh, we're kind of loud. 551 00:35:50,273 --> 00:35:52,859 But my whole family truly loved Gerry. 552 00:35:52,942 --> 00:35:54,861 You know, once he got used to us, he was funny 553 00:35:54,944 --> 00:35:58,322 and-- and he made jokes and he was lively. 554 00:36:00,366 --> 00:36:02,577 She was over the moon. 555 00:36:03,286 --> 00:36:08,332 He seemed to be so romantic and very thoughtful. 556 00:36:08,958 --> 00:36:12,170 But he really was kind of the Prince Charming. 557 00:36:13,379 --> 00:36:15,214 They were meant to be together. 558 00:36:15,756 --> 00:36:19,051 They truly were, you know, soul mates. 559 00:36:20,553 --> 00:36:23,139 All of it just kind of clicked for them. 560 00:36:23,973 --> 00:36:27,059 It was just really the way he looked at her all the time. 561 00:36:28,436 --> 00:36:31,772 He loved her. You could feel it. 562 00:36:32,273 --> 00:36:36,444 And one of the things that he had said to her was 563 00:36:36,527 --> 00:36:39,739 that she had taught him how to love, 564 00:36:40,323 --> 00:36:45,453 that he didn't even know that those feelings were possible. 565 00:36:48,664 --> 00:36:50,249 I'd never heard of Reddit. 566 00:36:53,836 --> 00:36:56,964 But I'd heard about it from Jenny, 567 00:36:57,048 --> 00:36:59,133 'cause, of course, it was really upsetting her. 568 00:37:02,386 --> 00:37:04,889 Jenny would read everything. 569 00:37:06,224 --> 00:37:09,227 'Cause, in her grief, she was trying to hold on to Gerry, 570 00:37:09,310 --> 00:37:11,270 she read anything and everything about him. 571 00:37:11,354 --> 00:37:13,231 At first, there was a lot of nice stuff, 572 00:37:13,314 --> 00:37:16,108 but then it became a little dark. 573 00:37:17,485 --> 00:37:19,278 And getting darker and darker. 574 00:37:20,863 --> 00:37:21,822 [computer chimes] 575 00:37:22,490 --> 00:37:25,618 [Tong] There was a Reddit post that caught everyone's attention. 576 00:37:26,994 --> 00:37:32,124 [QCXINT] It's purportedly from a contractor called QCXContractor. 577 00:37:33,417 --> 00:37:36,045 And he's doing an AMA on Reddit. 578 00:37:36,128 --> 00:37:39,423 Now, an AMA is short for "ask me anything." 579 00:37:40,216 --> 00:37:45,680 So, for the first time, we've actually got someone inside Quadriga 580 00:37:45,763 --> 00:37:49,016 and is doing a little bit of an anonymous leak. 581 00:37:58,484 --> 00:38:02,697 You know, one of the things they said was that they were at the funeral. 582 00:38:11,789 --> 00:38:13,916 [Ali] I started asking questions about the funeral. 583 00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:17,628 Whether the casket was open or not. 584 00:38:19,005 --> 00:38:20,298 [computer dings] 585 00:38:27,096 --> 00:38:30,683 Again, um, not sure whether there was an actual dead body in there or not. 586 00:38:30,766 --> 00:38:32,810 No, I did not see the body. 587 00:38:34,270 --> 00:38:35,521 [interviewer] Um… 588 00:38:35,604 --> 00:38:37,398 -Did Jen see the body? -Yes. 589 00:38:47,283 --> 00:38:48,492 [computer dings] 590 00:38:53,331 --> 00:38:57,251 [Ali] The contractor said she was "fake grieving." 591 00:38:58,336 --> 00:38:59,420 [computer dings] 592 00:39:02,590 --> 00:39:06,802 Very, very strange behavior for a widow who just lost her husband. 593 00:39:06,886 --> 00:39:08,137 [computer dinging] 594 00:39:15,853 --> 00:39:18,189 [Alex] It didn't seem like she had much to be happy for then. 595 00:39:18,689 --> 00:39:21,192 But she's dancing at her husband's funeral. 596 00:39:22,151 --> 00:39:24,362 Seems weird. Seems like something's up. 597 00:39:27,365 --> 00:39:29,950 [Ali] It just didn't look like he really died. 598 00:39:32,828 --> 00:39:36,874 [QCXINT] I reached out to this QCXContractor on Telegram. 599 00:39:36,957 --> 00:39:37,792 [computer chimes] 600 00:39:37,875 --> 00:39:41,379 Then I was able to confirm that they were in fact a Quadriga employee. 601 00:39:41,962 --> 00:39:45,800 What he told me was that there'd been some kind of confrontation 602 00:39:45,883 --> 00:39:48,511 between Jennifer and Gerry's parents. 603 00:39:50,096 --> 00:39:52,181 It was difficult to have them there. 604 00:39:53,391 --> 00:39:56,394 We're East Coast. Got a lot of Celtic heritage. 605 00:39:56,477 --> 00:39:57,853 We had an Irish wake. 606 00:39:58,938 --> 00:40:02,650 There was a lot of food. There was a lot of alcohol, 607 00:40:02,733 --> 00:40:06,612 and, unfortunately, Gerry's parents didn't like that. 608 00:40:07,988 --> 00:40:12,618 [QCXINT] It basically led to them being thrown out of the house after the funeral, 609 00:40:12,701 --> 00:40:16,622 where I believe Gerry's parents were meant to be staying the night. 610 00:40:18,165 --> 00:40:20,751 Something major has gone down, 611 00:40:20,835 --> 00:40:22,962 to the point where she's told them to get out 612 00:40:23,045 --> 00:40:24,964 and that she doesn't need them anymore. 613 00:40:26,215 --> 00:40:27,550 [computer chiming] 614 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,774 [Alexandra] There was all of this speculation around 615 00:40:43,858 --> 00:40:45,484 whether she was, like, in on it. 616 00:40:46,777 --> 00:40:51,532 We wanted to see what we could learn about her involvement in Quadriga. 617 00:40:53,617 --> 00:40:55,619 The story that Gerry was the only one 618 00:40:55,703 --> 00:41:00,666 who knew how to access Quadriga's crypto funds came from Jen. 619 00:41:04,211 --> 00:41:05,796 Following Gerry's death, 620 00:41:07,798 --> 00:41:14,180 she scoured their apartment looking for passwords to get into his laptop. 621 00:41:15,014 --> 00:41:17,016 She couldn't find it anywhere. 622 00:41:18,684 --> 00:41:21,103 [thunder rumbles] 623 00:41:21,187 --> 00:41:22,605 After Gerry's death, 624 00:41:23,856 --> 00:41:26,317 Quadriga filed for creditor protection. 625 00:41:27,860 --> 00:41:29,778 Creditor protection is granted to companies 626 00:41:29,862 --> 00:41:32,072 when they run into financial trouble. 627 00:41:33,365 --> 00:41:37,661 Included in the court filings was an affidavit from Jennifer Robertson. 628 00:41:38,245 --> 00:41:42,416 Jennifer goes on to basically say she didn't really know anything 629 00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:44,960 about how the company operated 630 00:41:45,753 --> 00:41:49,965 and that Gerry had been running this company entirely on his own. 631 00:41:51,884 --> 00:41:53,469 [Tong] I was a little bit in disbelief. 632 00:41:53,552 --> 00:41:55,429 I mean, during all of their travels together, 633 00:41:55,513 --> 00:42:01,018 he never once told her anything about how Quadriga was operated? 634 00:42:01,101 --> 00:42:03,687 Like, that didn't make sense to me. 635 00:42:06,398 --> 00:42:09,026 [Alexandra] Then we discovered these Quadriga users 636 00:42:09,610 --> 00:42:10,694 who had bank transfers 637 00:42:10,778 --> 00:42:14,156 that had come to them through this property management company 638 00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:15,449 that she was running. 639 00:42:19,662 --> 00:42:22,498 This would directly contradict Jennifer's statement 640 00:42:22,581 --> 00:42:26,544 on her affidavit saying that she wasn't involved with QuadrigaCX in any way. 641 00:42:29,922 --> 00:42:32,841 If she lied in her affidavit, she could've lied about any other things. 642 00:42:34,593 --> 00:42:38,931 [Joe] I saw that, and I was wondering, "Well, what's going on here?" 643 00:42:39,014 --> 00:42:44,103 I asked her lawyer about it, who just didn't comment. 644 00:42:44,186 --> 00:42:50,276 And, uh, I don't think we ever got an official answer to that question. 645 00:42:50,359 --> 00:42:52,194 I'm sure that the lawyer said, 646 00:42:52,278 --> 00:42:54,530 "We don't need to say anything about that." 647 00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:56,031 I don't know. 648 00:42:56,907 --> 00:42:59,660 Right? So were some things omitted? 649 00:42:59,743 --> 00:43:01,579 Yeah. On purpose? I don't know. 650 00:43:02,246 --> 00:43:05,666 Oversight? Could been. My sister's not a liar. 651 00:43:06,250 --> 00:43:10,337 I-- I started to believe that Jennifer Robertson was kind of in on this. 652 00:43:15,593 --> 00:43:17,553 Are they just playing the long game? 653 00:43:17,636 --> 00:43:20,556 She's playing the part of the gullible wife. 654 00:43:21,056 --> 00:43:23,434 She knows that there's gonna be heat for the next three years, 655 00:43:23,517 --> 00:43:25,686 and then, at some point, she's gonna nick off 656 00:43:25,769 --> 00:43:28,564 and, you know, meet him in an island in the Caribbean somewhere. 657 00:43:30,357 --> 00:43:34,778 We've got a lot of what's kind of circumstantial evidence 658 00:43:34,862 --> 00:43:36,864 that this could be an exit scam. 659 00:43:38,073 --> 00:43:41,577 Problem is we kind of don't have a way 660 00:43:41,660 --> 00:43:44,747 to indisputably prove that just yet. 661 00:43:46,915 --> 00:43:48,250 [computer chiming] 662 00:44:20,532 --> 00:44:24,495 [woman 4] So the news first broke in February of 2019. 663 00:44:24,995 --> 00:44:26,664 And I was like, "I'm sorry. What?" 664 00:44:26,747 --> 00:44:31,335 Like, the founder died and then he was the only one that had access to the keys? 665 00:44:31,418 --> 00:44:32,294 Like, what? 666 00:44:32,378 --> 00:44:35,881 I immediately was questioning everything about the story. 667 00:44:37,633 --> 00:44:41,136 I'd suspected that the money might be moving, 668 00:44:41,220 --> 00:44:45,432 which would make their entire sort of point moot, right? 669 00:44:45,516 --> 00:44:48,894 'Cause their whole claim was that he died and he was the only one with the keys. 670 00:44:48,977 --> 00:44:53,315 Um, but if money had moved after his death, then that would be a lie. 671 00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:59,196 The whole purpose of Bitcoin is, like, everything's verifiable by everyone. 672 00:45:00,614 --> 00:45:04,952 Bitcoin is backed by underlying technology called the blockchain. 673 00:45:09,248 --> 00:45:13,252 There are websites that have sort of visualizations of the blockchain. 674 00:45:16,714 --> 00:45:20,718 But the simplest way to think about it is like a digital ledger. 675 00:45:20,801 --> 00:45:21,844 Like a spreadsheet. 676 00:45:23,679 --> 00:45:26,890 Every single computer is able to see the transactions 677 00:45:26,974 --> 00:45:29,393 to verify that the transactions are valid 678 00:45:29,476 --> 00:45:32,604 and then to verify, like, the whole history of transactions. 679 00:45:34,398 --> 00:45:37,276 And you can just follow the money wherever it goes. 680 00:45:48,662 --> 00:45:54,001 What an exchange will do is have 5% or 10% of all of the money 681 00:45:54,084 --> 00:45:58,464 that they're holding in a hot wallet, and the rest is cold. 682 00:45:58,547 --> 00:46:02,342 And a cold wallet is an offline wallet. 683 00:46:02,426 --> 00:46:06,096 The hot wallet is like your checkbook or your debit card. 684 00:46:06,180 --> 00:46:08,515 And the cold wallet is, like, the vault. 685 00:46:09,850 --> 00:46:15,105 I knew a couple of Quadriga's cold wallet addresses on the blockchain. 686 00:46:15,773 --> 00:46:17,107 And so I started there. 687 00:46:21,820 --> 00:46:27,117 I spent the next couple of weeks parsing a huge number of transactions. 688 00:46:30,078 --> 00:46:34,541 I was expecting either see a balance of, like, $100 million or something, 689 00:46:35,459 --> 00:46:40,714 or to very quickly see a transfer of 10 million, 100 million. 690 00:46:40,798 --> 00:46:42,758 Some big sum of money. 691 00:46:42,841 --> 00:46:44,843 [suspenseful music playing] 692 00:46:54,144 --> 00:46:55,979 [Taylor] However, with the Quadriga addresses, 693 00:46:56,563 --> 00:46:58,899 I didn't ever find this pile of money. 694 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,445 If you don't see the money leave or go anywhere, 695 00:47:03,529 --> 00:47:06,198 the question is just like, "Well, where did the money go?" 696 00:47:09,284 --> 00:47:10,202 The money's just… 697 00:47:13,413 --> 00:47:14,623 I don't know. 698 00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:17,751 [computer chimes] 699 00:47:21,547 --> 00:47:25,175 Once I determined that there was no money in the cold storage, 700 00:47:26,093 --> 00:47:28,679 that's when I stopped believing that he was dead. 701 00:47:28,762 --> 00:47:30,764 [computer chiming] 702 00:47:47,573 --> 00:47:51,535 [QCXINT] Finding out that this whole story 703 00:47:51,618 --> 00:47:54,580 about the keys to the cold wallet 704 00:47:54,663 --> 00:47:58,625 being essentially a bit of a wild goose chase is sickening. 705 00:48:00,919 --> 00:48:05,299 [Kimberly] We were scared that Jenny would be implicated in it. 706 00:48:06,758 --> 00:48:08,385 Because of the amount of money, 707 00:48:08,468 --> 00:48:13,181 my brother and I were starting to worry that she might have to go to jail. 708 00:48:14,766 --> 00:48:17,895 Right? Like, we aren't people that go to jail. 709 00:48:17,978 --> 00:48:20,647 We're not criminals. You know, we kind of know somebody 710 00:48:20,731 --> 00:48:24,151 who knows somebody who might have did something kind of sort of bad, 711 00:48:24,234 --> 00:48:27,070 but that was the-- the worry. 712 00:48:29,197 --> 00:48:30,866 We were afraid for her. 713 00:48:36,330 --> 00:48:39,291 [QCXINT] It's certainly starting to look like fraud or embezzlement. 714 00:48:39,374 --> 00:48:41,376 [computer chiming] 715 00:48:54,014 --> 00:48:58,518 But, you know, the-- the hopes of finding a five-foot something, 716 00:48:58,602 --> 00:49:03,565 slightly ginger-toned Caucasian Gerry seemed to be very slim. 717 00:49:10,948 --> 00:49:14,242 We-- we knew he was mischievous. We knew that. 718 00:49:15,077 --> 00:49:19,331 This video confirms that a walnut can indeed be lit on fire. 719 00:49:19,414 --> 00:49:20,791 [laughing] 720 00:49:23,502 --> 00:49:26,922 [Andrew] I bet you he's good at laying low, at being quiet. 721 00:49:27,005 --> 00:49:29,466 I think these are all things Gerry is good at. 722 00:49:29,549 --> 00:49:31,218 [Alex] He could be a citizen of 20 countries 723 00:49:31,301 --> 00:49:33,595 under 20 different faces and 20 different names. 724 00:49:34,721 --> 00:49:37,516 [Alexandra] And then this sort of rumor started circulating online 725 00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:40,477 that the money had been moved to Bermuda. 726 00:49:41,311 --> 00:49:44,982 And that there was this plastic surgeon there who had operated on Gerry 727 00:49:45,065 --> 00:49:48,235 to change his face so that he could continue to live 728 00:49:48,318 --> 00:49:49,861 without being recognizable. 729 00:49:51,697 --> 00:49:57,494 I called the RCMP, which is equivalent of FBI for Canada. 730 00:49:57,577 --> 00:49:59,871 [phone ringing] 731 00:49:59,955 --> 00:50:04,292 [Ali] And I said, "Look, there's this guy who I think is alive, 732 00:50:04,376 --> 00:50:06,962 leaving the country with millions of dollars of our money, 733 00:50:07,462 --> 00:50:10,215 and I need you guys to sort of investigate," 734 00:50:10,298 --> 00:50:13,427 and she said, "Well, if they leave, they leave. That's fine." 735 00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:15,429 "We can try to catch 'em later." 736 00:50:17,055 --> 00:50:21,226 Right? Casually. Right? It was borderline insulting. 737 00:50:24,354 --> 00:50:25,731 [computer chiming] 738 00:50:50,505 --> 00:50:51,339 Okay. 739 00:50:54,051 --> 00:50:57,304 The Ontario Securities Commission, also known as the OSC, 740 00:50:57,387 --> 00:51:00,724 is responsible for regulating financial markets 741 00:51:00,807 --> 00:51:03,018 in the Canadian province of Ontario. 742 00:51:07,230 --> 00:51:10,525 Our mandate was to find out where the money went. 743 00:51:11,693 --> 00:51:15,363 And therefore the enforcement branch of the OSC decided 744 00:51:15,447 --> 00:51:16,865 to open an investigation. 745 00:51:19,785 --> 00:51:22,079 In the first two years of operations, 746 00:51:22,162 --> 00:51:25,624 Quadriga had accountants, lawyers on staff, 747 00:51:25,707 --> 00:51:28,919 and therefore there are some records for that time period. 748 00:51:29,503 --> 00:51:34,633 However, after 2016, there's a general absence of records 749 00:51:34,716 --> 00:51:37,552 that you would normally expect to see in a business. 750 00:51:38,053 --> 00:51:42,682 If you do not have access to records, it simply complicates your work. 751 00:51:42,766 --> 00:51:47,938 However, working as a forensic accountant, I expect my work to be complicated. 752 00:51:50,524 --> 00:51:54,653 We came across something that caused us great concern. 753 00:51:55,570 --> 00:51:57,405 Throughout the life of Quadriga, 754 00:51:57,489 --> 00:52:02,035 large volumes of crypto assets were being sent 755 00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:06,832 to other crypto asset exchanges located abroad. 756 00:52:09,334 --> 00:52:11,795 [Taylor] What the fuck is going on? 757 00:52:12,629 --> 00:52:15,715 That's not normal, uh, at all. 758 00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:22,013 Why would an exchange be sending directly to another exchange? 759 00:52:22,681 --> 00:52:25,600 The answer's not usually a good one. 760 00:52:25,684 --> 00:52:27,936 They had to be, like, trying to hide something. 761 00:52:28,436 --> 00:52:30,438 Maybe, like, trying to launder money? 762 00:52:30,939 --> 00:52:32,899 [police radio chatter] 763 00:52:33,483 --> 00:52:35,110 [QCXINT] In the world of money laundering, 764 00:52:35,193 --> 00:52:38,446 there can be some quite bad people involved. 765 00:52:41,032 --> 00:52:44,452 Organized crime, Russian mobsters, you know, you name it. 766 00:52:44,536 --> 00:52:45,370 So, 767 00:52:46,204 --> 00:52:49,416 did Gerry find himself in something that was too deep? 768 00:52:52,294 --> 00:52:55,213 Like, if you're laundering money for the mob, you're scared of the mob. 769 00:52:55,297 --> 00:52:57,174 You're not scared of the cops. 770 00:53:05,390 --> 00:53:07,601 [QCXINT] If we were to uncover where the money had gone, 771 00:53:07,684 --> 00:53:10,061 we would have to dig very deep 772 00:53:10,145 --> 00:53:12,814 and look into every aspect of the exchange. 773 00:53:14,816 --> 00:53:20,155 Certainly, the conventional narrative was that Gerry was the founder of Quadriga 774 00:53:20,238 --> 00:53:23,116 and the CEO and that he was in control. 775 00:53:27,579 --> 00:53:30,332 Um, but one of the interesting things I found 776 00:53:30,415 --> 00:53:33,210 was the original QuadrigaCX domain name… 777 00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:39,090 had actually been registered not by Gerry. 778 00:53:39,174 --> 00:53:41,218 Uh, it'd been registered by someone else. 779 00:53:41,301 --> 00:53:44,012 This individual known as Michael Patryn. 780 00:53:50,685 --> 00:53:56,274 He definitely was an important individual in the founding origins of Quadriga. 781 00:53:57,317 --> 00:54:00,362 So I started to dig around and look into him a little bit more. 782 00:54:02,489 --> 00:54:05,033 [reporter 11] Meanwhile, law enforcement officials in both Canada, 783 00:54:05,116 --> 00:54:09,037 where QuadrigaCX is located, and in the United States, 784 00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,873 are investigating potential wrongdoing… 785 00:54:12,707 --> 00:54:15,460 [interviewer] Are you comfortable talking about him, Andrew? 786 00:54:15,543 --> 00:54:17,295 What would you like to know? 787 00:54:21,925 --> 00:54:24,636 When we first met Mike and Gerry, 788 00:54:25,220 --> 00:54:30,308 it was Mike that presented himself as the founder of QuadrigaCX. 789 00:54:30,392 --> 00:54:33,270 And Gerry kind of tagged along. 790 00:54:33,353 --> 00:54:38,775 [man 12] Our guest tonight is Michael Patryn from, uh, Quadriga. 791 00:54:38,858 --> 00:54:40,819 Why don't you tell us a bit about yourself? 792 00:54:40,902 --> 00:54:45,115 Sure. I've been working with digital currency since about 2003. 793 00:54:45,198 --> 00:54:48,618 I've operated numerous exchanges, emerging platforms, casinos, 794 00:54:48,702 --> 00:54:50,036 provided advisory services 795 00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,956 with respect to growth and development of other such companies. 796 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,502 It did always seem as though Mike was in charge. 797 00:54:57,585 --> 00:55:01,172 Mike was muscular and an amateur UFC guy. 798 00:55:04,843 --> 00:55:07,762 First time I met Gerry was in Mike's fancy car. 799 00:55:07,846 --> 00:55:09,723 And Mike was doing all the talking. 800 00:55:09,806 --> 00:55:12,309 Gerry would laugh at his jokes when they weren't funny. 801 00:55:12,392 --> 00:55:13,727 That's-- That's key. 802 00:55:14,394 --> 00:55:19,065 And that was kind of what really immediately made me see them 803 00:55:19,149 --> 00:55:21,818 in a power imbalance in their relationship. 804 00:55:22,736 --> 00:55:27,657 There were definitely a lot of rumors about Mike going around. 805 00:55:28,908 --> 00:55:32,245 I think that Gerry, he should be afraid of Mike. 806 00:55:32,329 --> 00:55:33,955 [chuckles] I would be. 807 00:55:36,333 --> 00:55:39,836 [Joe] People who knew Patryn were reluctant to talk about him. 808 00:55:39,919 --> 00:55:41,546 They were afraid of him. 809 00:55:46,217 --> 00:55:49,471 [Alexandra] There were all these posts on the Internet, mostly on Reddit, 810 00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:54,768 connecting him with this other guy named Omar Dhanani. 811 00:55:56,269 --> 00:55:58,480 So these posts were essentially alleging 812 00:55:58,563 --> 00:56:01,566 that Michael Patryn was hiding this criminal past, 813 00:56:01,649 --> 00:56:05,362 that he had once lived in California under the name Omar Dhanani 814 00:56:06,071 --> 00:56:09,324 and that he had been involved in a money laundering service 815 00:56:09,407 --> 00:56:13,703 for an identity theft ring called Shadowcrew, 816 00:56:14,662 --> 00:56:17,957 an online marketplace for trafficking in stolen identities 817 00:56:18,041 --> 00:56:20,126 and stolen credit card information. 818 00:56:23,046 --> 00:56:25,173 [QCXINT] This is a bit of a bombshell, 819 00:56:26,049 --> 00:56:29,844 but, you know, a few forum posts don't necessarily prove a point. 820 00:56:30,678 --> 00:56:32,180 [Alexandra] We needed proof. 821 00:56:33,223 --> 00:56:38,269 [Joe] We figure, "Okay, we can get the mug shots for Omar Dhanani 822 00:56:38,353 --> 00:56:40,188 and see if it's the same person." 823 00:56:40,688 --> 00:56:45,026 About a week later, they arrived in my email. 824 00:56:46,694 --> 00:56:50,407 I remember sitting with Alex and an editor in The Globe office, 825 00:56:52,242 --> 00:56:56,079 and the editor is studying these photos of Dhanani… 826 00:56:59,082 --> 00:56:59,958 and Patryn. 827 00:57:02,502 --> 00:57:04,295 It's going, like, back and forth closely. 828 00:57:08,716 --> 00:57:10,510 And he notices a pockmark 829 00:57:11,636 --> 00:57:13,054 on Dhanani's forehead… 830 00:57:14,931 --> 00:57:18,476 and how Michael Patryn has a pockmark in the exact same spot. 831 00:57:20,353 --> 00:57:23,106 Michael Patryn is definitely Omar Dhanani. 832 00:57:38,580 --> 00:57:43,209 [Ali] If I would've known that, I would've never, ever put my money in Quadriga. 833 00:57:44,502 --> 00:57:46,463 [Tong] This is crazy. 834 00:57:47,255 --> 00:57:49,757 I just thought, "Well, this is another thread in the rabbit hole." 835 00:57:49,841 --> 00:57:51,217 "How deep can it go?" 836 00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:56,890 [QCXINT] When you find one of the founders has this criminal past, 837 00:57:57,765 --> 00:58:00,101 that person becomes suspect number one. 838 00:58:04,314 --> 00:58:07,942 [Daniel] In February 2019, when Quadriga ceased operating, 839 00:58:09,319 --> 00:58:14,199 it owed its users cash and cryptocurrencies 840 00:58:14,282 --> 00:58:18,244 at a combined value of $215 million. 841 00:58:18,328 --> 00:58:21,581 However, we were only able to identify 842 00:58:21,664 --> 00:58:25,168 approximately $46 million worth of assets, 843 00:58:25,251 --> 00:58:31,508 leaving an unexplained shortfall of approximately $169 million. 844 00:58:31,591 --> 00:58:33,009 And that didn't make sense… 845 00:58:33,092 --> 00:58:35,220 It is the hottest currency in the world. 846 00:58:35,887 --> 00:58:39,224 [Daniel] …because in 2017, when the market was booming, 847 00:58:39,933 --> 00:58:44,270 more and more individuals, more users, were onboarding the platform 848 00:58:44,354 --> 00:58:48,274 and bringing in more cryptocurrencies and also more cash. 849 00:58:51,486 --> 00:58:55,323 We were concerned that crypto assets were being stolen. 850 00:58:55,406 --> 00:58:58,952 We knew that there was a co-founder to Quadriga. 851 00:58:59,035 --> 00:59:00,912 His name was Michael Patryn. 852 00:59:00,995 --> 00:59:04,916 And therefore, we were interested in talking to him. 853 00:59:05,500 --> 00:59:09,254 We were unable to make contact with Mr. Patryn. 854 00:59:12,966 --> 00:59:17,428 A lot of people thought that Mike Patryn actually took some of their money 855 00:59:17,512 --> 00:59:20,181 and ran off with it, or maybe he was in cahoots with Gerry. 856 00:59:20,265 --> 00:59:22,225 Maybe they conspired together. 857 00:59:22,308 --> 00:59:24,310 [computer chiming] 858 00:59:40,285 --> 00:59:42,954 [Ali] As the story sort of was lacking entertainment, 859 00:59:43,037 --> 00:59:45,164 Michael Patryn joins the Telegram group. 860 00:59:45,248 --> 00:59:47,250 [computer chiming] 861 00:59:54,048 --> 00:59:57,552 [QCXINT] Creditors are pretty angry, and they're looking for answers. 862 00:59:57,635 --> 00:59:59,637 [computer chiming] 863 01:00:05,935 --> 01:00:07,729 [Joe] So we emailed Patryn. 864 01:00:07,812 --> 01:00:11,399 [Alexandra] And he told us that he had not had any level of involvement in Quadriga 865 01:00:11,482 --> 01:00:13,401 since he split with the company. 866 01:00:13,985 --> 01:00:17,572 He told us he left the company in 2016. 867 01:00:18,281 --> 01:00:22,076 I don't know if we fully believed Patryn. 868 01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:23,411 [computer chiming] 869 01:00:31,836 --> 01:00:34,672 [QCXINT] Patryn seems like a fairly seasoned character. 870 01:00:35,465 --> 01:00:41,220 He was deft in deflecting a lot of the criticism that was aimed at him, 871 01:00:41,304 --> 01:00:45,475 maintaining that he was a legitimate businessman, 872 01:00:45,558 --> 01:00:49,437 but whether or not, you know, he's entirely innocent is another question. 873 01:00:50,063 --> 01:00:51,314 [computer chiming] 874 01:00:59,906 --> 01:01:03,284 I'm like, "Wow, he thinks Gerry's alive." 875 01:01:04,661 --> 01:01:06,204 [computer chiming] 876 01:01:26,182 --> 01:01:29,394 [Joe] Outwardly, Gerry and Patryn seemed very different. 877 01:01:29,477 --> 01:01:31,104 [whirring] 878 01:01:32,772 --> 01:01:36,442 Gerry was this smiley, kind of nerdy guy. 879 01:01:38,277 --> 01:01:41,155 Whereas, you know, you look at Patryn online, 880 01:01:41,239 --> 01:01:44,325 and he's fashioning himself as a-- as a macho badass 881 01:01:44,409 --> 01:01:46,703 who has a criminal history. 882 01:01:46,786 --> 01:01:48,788 So what are these two guys doing together? 883 01:01:52,667 --> 01:01:54,836 [QCXINT] Patryn had more of a digital footprint online. 884 01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:59,424 And that trail led me to this site called TalkGold. 885 01:02:04,429 --> 01:02:09,267 TalkGold was principally a forum, you know, for investment scams. 886 01:02:13,479 --> 01:02:15,857 It was a real den of thieves, TalkGold. 887 01:02:18,901 --> 01:02:23,906 People trying to run scams and dodge other people's scams. 888 01:02:25,158 --> 01:02:31,038 Digging around in the archives, you know, I come across lots of Patryn's posts. 889 01:02:31,622 --> 01:02:33,332 And one of the things that I noticed on there 890 01:02:33,416 --> 01:02:37,253 is that he's got this buddy called Sceptre. 891 01:02:40,173 --> 01:02:43,468 And Sceptre's also very active on TalkGold. 892 01:02:44,135 --> 01:02:46,679 [Joe] Sceptre set up and ran 893 01:02:46,763 --> 01:02:51,142 at least two of these online scams through TalkGold. 894 01:02:51,726 --> 01:02:54,312 You know, a lot of people lost substantial sums of money. 895 01:02:54,896 --> 01:02:58,441 [Alexandra] Sceptre had this scam called S&S Investments. 896 01:03:00,276 --> 01:03:04,614 S&S Investments provided very little actual information about itself, 897 01:03:04,697 --> 01:03:08,785 and, you know, it promised a massive return. 898 01:03:08,868 --> 01:03:10,745 And then, for a little while, 899 01:03:10,828 --> 01:03:13,623 they would sort of start paying people back. 900 01:03:14,123 --> 01:03:18,211 Until one day, the entire program just kind of disappears 901 01:03:19,212 --> 01:03:20,630 with everybody's money. 902 01:03:22,673 --> 01:03:24,300 Classic exit scam. 903 01:03:25,009 --> 01:03:27,386 Whoever this Sceptre is, it seemed significant. 904 01:03:29,222 --> 01:03:32,058 But I just had this hunch that it was Gerry. 905 01:03:33,392 --> 01:03:38,022 [Joe] I think it was probably around that time I started to talk to QCXINT. 906 01:03:38,773 --> 01:03:42,568 We started to trade information back and forth, essentially. 907 01:03:43,778 --> 01:03:46,823 I combed through, like, every post Sceptre had made, 908 01:03:46,906 --> 01:03:49,325 looking for any sign of him. 909 01:03:49,408 --> 01:03:52,829 Like, slipping up and revealing some personal information. 910 01:03:56,332 --> 01:03:57,834 No success with that. 911 01:03:58,709 --> 01:04:03,798 It was very frustrating, 'cause it-- it kind of became this, like, personal quest 912 01:04:03,881 --> 01:04:06,092 to find out who Sceptre was. 913 01:04:07,635 --> 01:04:09,554 [QCXINT] I kept just following the data trail. 914 01:04:10,346 --> 01:04:13,182 There was a critical piece of evidence that emerged. 915 01:04:13,266 --> 01:04:15,685 It was this public site called Black Hat World. 916 01:04:19,021 --> 01:04:22,066 A white-hat hacker is a good hacker, an ethical hacker. 917 01:04:22,149 --> 01:04:24,151 A black-hat hacker is a bad type. 918 01:04:24,235 --> 01:04:26,571 They're the ones that'll do the dirty work. 919 01:04:27,238 --> 01:04:31,158 One of the things I noticed, there's a user on Black Hat World called Sceptre 920 01:04:31,242 --> 01:04:35,288 that changes their name, that changes their handle to Murdoch1337. 921 01:04:38,791 --> 01:04:40,209 [Joe] And so I decided, 922 01:04:40,293 --> 01:04:42,295 okay, I'm gonna start messaging people 923 01:04:42,378 --> 01:04:46,632 on Black Hat World who interacted with this account 924 01:04:46,716 --> 01:04:50,469 to see what email address this account was using. 925 01:04:52,388 --> 01:04:55,308 And so a few days later this person emailed back… 926 01:04:58,019 --> 01:05:00,146 and included some screenshots. 927 01:05:01,147 --> 01:05:02,398 I opened it up. 928 01:05:03,482 --> 01:05:06,110 My heart is beating really fast. I feel like, "Oh, I'm so close." 929 01:05:07,904 --> 01:05:09,363 One of those screenshots 930 01:05:09,447 --> 01:05:12,575 was the order form that this account filled out. 931 01:05:13,868 --> 01:05:15,661 It had his full name in there. 932 01:05:17,663 --> 01:05:18,706 Gerry Cotten. 933 01:05:22,877 --> 01:05:25,963 Gerry was Sceptre. That was a direct link. 934 01:05:26,047 --> 01:05:28,758 And we're like, "Yes! We got him." 935 01:05:32,887 --> 01:05:36,599 It threw the whole thing into a darker, more sinister context. 936 01:05:37,558 --> 01:05:39,602 Gerald, starting with you. 937 01:05:39,685 --> 01:05:41,437 -Yes. -What's your story? 938 01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:43,856 You were born. Now you're here. What happened in between? 939 01:05:43,940 --> 01:05:45,107 [chuckles] 940 01:05:46,108 --> 01:05:49,403 [QCXINT] Not only had one founder of the exchange had a shady past, 941 01:05:49,987 --> 01:05:51,822 it was actually both founders. 942 01:05:53,115 --> 01:05:55,743 Kind of removes that veil of Gerry, 943 01:05:56,494 --> 01:05:58,788 boy next door, kind of likable nerd. 944 01:06:00,122 --> 01:06:03,209 What you actually start to see is something a lot more sinister. 945 01:06:06,963 --> 01:06:11,050 This Sceptre character, this other, you know, darker Gerry… 946 01:06:11,801 --> 01:06:13,177 [laughing] 947 01:06:13,260 --> 01:06:15,054 [QCXINT] …has been operating scams… 948 01:06:17,139 --> 01:06:19,642 since he was 14 or 15. 949 01:06:22,395 --> 01:06:27,191 [Joe] What it showed is that Gerry was a serial scammer. 950 01:06:29,485 --> 01:06:32,697 [QCXINT] Sceptre posts about hiring a programmer 951 01:06:32,780 --> 01:06:34,573 to build a cryptocurrency exchange. 952 01:06:43,082 --> 01:06:45,626 And less than three months or so later, 953 01:06:46,585 --> 01:06:47,920 Quadriga was born. 954 01:06:51,632 --> 01:06:52,633 [clears throat] 955 01:06:52,717 --> 01:06:55,219 Quadriga had been architected 956 01:06:55,302 --> 01:06:59,432 from the very beginning, uh, to be a scam of sorts. 957 01:07:01,767 --> 01:07:04,770 [Alexandra] Revealing all of these other things that he had done 958 01:07:04,854 --> 01:07:08,065 gave people this feeling, like he's scammed us yet again 959 01:07:08,149 --> 01:07:10,943 and maybe he actually is still alive somewhere. 960 01:07:15,364 --> 01:07:18,242 My name is Gerald Cotten, and I'm the founder of QuadrigaCX. 961 01:07:22,830 --> 01:07:28,419 It did make me question that maybe he had intentions of, you know, 962 01:07:28,502 --> 01:07:32,882 starting this business and running away with the funds like he had in the past. 963 01:07:32,965 --> 01:07:34,508 [computer chiming] 964 01:07:45,186 --> 01:07:50,566 [Ali] He's literally insulting you and stealing from you in daylight, 965 01:07:50,649 --> 01:07:52,276 and then he's walking away. 966 01:07:52,359 --> 01:07:53,694 [computer chiming] 967 01:08:01,911 --> 01:08:05,206 If Gerry was alive, then there was a chance they could get their money back. 968 01:08:05,706 --> 01:08:11,462 That's ultimately why The Globe decided to send Nathan Vanderklippe to India. 969 01:08:11,545 --> 01:08:13,547 [suspenseful music playing] 970 01:08:33,067 --> 01:08:35,319 [man 13] As a journalist, when you get assigned a story, 971 01:08:35,402 --> 01:08:38,114 one of the first questions that goes through your mind is, 972 01:08:38,197 --> 01:08:39,949 "Are you gonna be able to deliver anything?" 973 01:08:40,032 --> 01:08:43,577 And the idea of going to try to make some sense 974 01:08:43,661 --> 01:08:47,998 of whether someone had actually died in India, 975 01:08:48,582 --> 01:08:51,836 it just seemed, frankly, practically impossible. 976 01:08:52,837 --> 01:08:56,841 I got to India, and from there, it was just a question of going out 977 01:08:56,924 --> 01:09:00,094 and trying to make sense of what was real and what wasn't, 978 01:09:00,177 --> 01:09:01,387 and it felt to me like 979 01:09:01,470 --> 01:09:04,557 the most obvious place to start was at the hospital. 980 01:09:05,391 --> 01:09:10,521 I had found out the name of the doctor, and so I went to his office. 981 01:09:10,604 --> 01:09:13,774 He held up a prescription pad and asked what he could get for me, 982 01:09:13,858 --> 01:09:16,652 and I said, "No, no, no, I'm not-- I'm not looking for medicine." 983 01:09:16,735 --> 01:09:20,656 "I'm looking for some information about this Canadian who had died in Jaipur." 984 01:09:20,739 --> 01:09:24,285 He knew exactly what I was talking about. He remembered this all quite clearly. 985 01:09:26,245 --> 01:09:28,747 And he talked me through what had happened. 986 01:09:29,707 --> 01:09:31,458 So this is what I wrote about it. 987 01:09:31,542 --> 01:09:34,837 "Mr. Cotten and Ms. Robertson arrived at 9:45 p.m." 988 01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:42,344 He was, quote, "admitted with symptoms of acute gastroenteritis." 989 01:09:43,179 --> 01:09:45,055 "Mr. Cotten had vomited ten times, 990 01:09:45,139 --> 01:09:48,893 reported 15 episodes of watery stools, was feverish, 991 01:09:48,976 --> 01:09:51,353 and had a background of Crohn's disease." 992 01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:56,775 "Still, the initial diagnosis pointed to little more than traveler's diarrhea." 993 01:09:57,276 --> 01:09:59,445 "Mr. Cotten spent the night in a private room 994 01:09:59,528 --> 01:10:01,488 where Ms. Robertson also stayed." 995 01:10:03,532 --> 01:10:06,994 "Sometime around noon the next day, his condition took a sharp turn." 996 01:10:08,662 --> 01:10:11,081 "'He became fulminant,' Dr. Sharma said." 997 01:10:13,292 --> 01:10:17,004 "A medical term describing a rapid and severe deterioration." 998 01:10:18,547 --> 01:10:22,384 "At 2:45 p.m., Mr. Cotten went into cardiac arrest." 999 01:10:23,302 --> 01:10:26,180 [machines beeping] 1000 01:10:29,808 --> 01:10:32,228 "He was resuscitated, but his blood pressure was low, 1001 01:10:32,311 --> 01:10:34,188 and he was placed on a ventilator." 1002 01:10:36,565 --> 01:10:38,692 "He went into cardiac arrest again." 1003 01:10:41,403 --> 01:10:43,364 "And was resuscitated once more." 1004 01:10:47,117 --> 01:10:48,118 "But the third time, 1005 01:10:49,662 --> 01:10:51,163 he could not be revived." 1006 01:10:54,458 --> 01:10:58,254 "At 7:26 p.m., Mr. Cotten was declared dead." 1007 01:11:06,220 --> 01:11:09,265 That all sort of points in the direction 1008 01:11:09,348 --> 01:11:12,810 of this having been a death and perhaps a death of natural causes. 1009 01:11:12,893 --> 01:11:15,271 I showed Dr. Sharma a couple pictures on my phone of Gerry 1010 01:11:15,354 --> 01:11:18,607 and said, "Is this the guy?" And Dr. Sharma said, "That's the guy." 1011 01:11:22,569 --> 01:11:25,990 [Kimberly] It was Jenny who really wanted to go to India. Gerry did not. 1012 01:11:26,740 --> 01:11:29,076 Unfortunately for Jenny, 1013 01:11:29,159 --> 01:11:32,621 even to this day, she feels really guilty about that. 1014 01:11:32,705 --> 01:11:34,331 She was devastated. 1015 01:11:34,415 --> 01:11:39,336 Because she's so lovely and loving and generous and kind and happy, 1016 01:11:40,546 --> 01:11:45,009 she was really broken. I was really afraid for her. 1017 01:11:47,344 --> 01:11:51,473 [Alexandra] To me, this idea that Gerry was still alive 1018 01:11:51,557 --> 01:11:55,269 was laid to rest when Nathan went to India. 1019 01:11:56,270 --> 01:11:57,688 I was like, "Okay, he's dead." 1020 01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:00,858 After that, I didn't entertain the idea. 1021 01:12:08,699 --> 01:12:09,908 [computer chiming] 1022 01:12:22,338 --> 01:12:27,426 Everyone is sort of shocked, confused at the time. 1023 01:12:27,509 --> 01:12:30,137 That's where we were at, at that point. 1024 01:12:30,220 --> 01:12:34,099 We just had no ground to sort of walk on. We didn't know where we were at. 1025 01:12:35,559 --> 01:12:38,729 [QCXINT] I think it was another blow at that point. 1026 01:12:40,647 --> 01:12:43,776 [Ali] Gerry's dead. The money's still missing. 1027 01:12:44,568 --> 01:12:46,904 We don't exactly know where it went. 1028 01:12:48,489 --> 01:12:52,034 [QCXINT] When you're in this situation, you're kind of endlessly optimistic. 1029 01:12:52,117 --> 01:12:54,953 There's surely another way that we can get the money back. 1030 01:12:57,081 --> 01:13:01,585 We kind of still had more questions, because maybe it wasn't enough. 1031 01:13:04,797 --> 01:13:07,466 [interviewer] Did your article end the speculation 1032 01:13:07,549 --> 01:13:10,219 about what had happened to Gerry in India? 1033 01:13:10,302 --> 01:13:12,137 No, I don't think it ended the speculation. 1034 01:13:12,221 --> 01:13:15,516 You know, there's still plenty of people I think who have questions about it. 1035 01:13:17,142 --> 01:13:20,354 "Two months later, his rapid death still troubles Dr. Sharma." 1036 01:13:20,437 --> 01:13:23,565 "Asked if he was certain about what happened, he said, 'Not at all.'" 1037 01:13:23,649 --> 01:13:26,777 "His conclusion was based on one of the best guesses 1038 01:13:26,860 --> 01:13:29,530 of what took a 30-year-old man from a luxury hotel 1039 01:13:29,613 --> 01:13:32,491 to his deathbed in little more than 24 hours." 1040 01:13:33,617 --> 01:13:35,494 "No autopsy was done on Mr. Cotten." 1041 01:13:39,665 --> 01:13:44,545 You know, in terms of some of the broader questions about was there foul play here? 1042 01:13:44,628 --> 01:13:49,341 Those, it feels to me, are questions that could only be answered with an autopsy. 1043 01:13:51,844 --> 01:13:54,847 Why was there no autopsy happening? 1044 01:13:55,848 --> 01:13:57,683 It's interesting, right? 1045 01:13:58,183 --> 01:13:59,351 Was this a natural cause, 1046 01:13:59,435 --> 01:14:01,645 or was Jennifer trying to cover the story up? 1047 01:14:09,820 --> 01:14:13,991 [Alexandra] There was a lot of suspicion around Gerry's death from the get-go, 1048 01:14:14,074 --> 01:14:14,908 right? 1049 01:14:17,661 --> 01:14:22,040 And the will deals with what should happen in the event of Gerry's death. 1050 01:14:22,124 --> 01:14:25,335 So, of course, we wanted to get the will to kind of see what was in there. 1051 01:14:26,128 --> 01:14:29,298 [Joe] I just emailed the court in Nova Scotia, 1052 01:14:29,381 --> 01:14:33,051 and it's public information, so they sent it to me in an email. 1053 01:14:34,219 --> 01:14:36,180 It's clear he's a wealthy guy. 1054 01:14:37,097 --> 01:14:40,058 The strange thing about the will was that, wow, 1055 01:14:40,726 --> 01:14:45,189 he signed this, like, two weeks before he mysteriously died in India. 1056 01:14:46,565 --> 01:14:47,858 That's odd. 1057 01:14:47,941 --> 01:14:49,234 [computer chimes] 1058 01:14:51,612 --> 01:14:55,282 He left all his assets and all his money to Jennifer… 1059 01:14:58,494 --> 01:15:00,704 which is very, very suspicious. 1060 01:15:02,539 --> 01:15:06,210 [QCXINT] Suspicion really does begin to fall more on Jennifer. 1061 01:15:07,711 --> 01:15:11,423 Here she is standing to inherit the substantial property portfolio 1062 01:15:11,507 --> 01:15:14,218 and assets worth millions and millions of dollars. 1063 01:15:14,718 --> 01:15:16,720 [computer chiming] 1064 01:15:25,062 --> 01:15:27,523 [Tong] It is possible that Jennifer could have poisoned Gerry. 1065 01:15:27,606 --> 01:15:30,025 Then she could have just said it was his Crohn's disease. 1066 01:15:30,651 --> 01:15:34,112 She could potentially have all the keys and access to our money. 1067 01:15:37,699 --> 01:15:39,243 [QCXINT] With a little bit of digging, 1068 01:15:39,326 --> 01:15:42,871 it becomes apparent that she changed her name a number of times. 1069 01:15:42,955 --> 01:15:44,248 [computer chimes] 1070 01:15:47,918 --> 01:15:49,545 She changed her name 1071 01:15:50,045 --> 01:15:53,382 three times in the span of two to three years. 1072 01:15:53,465 --> 01:15:54,716 [computer chimes] 1073 01:15:58,303 --> 01:16:00,806 [Tong] I think first and last name was Griffith. 1074 01:16:01,515 --> 01:16:03,183 And then it was Forgeron. 1075 01:16:04,101 --> 01:16:05,644 And then it was Robertson. 1076 01:16:06,228 --> 01:16:07,563 That's a lot of name changes. 1077 01:16:07,646 --> 01:16:10,440 Not a normal amount of name changes for an ordinary person. 1078 01:16:10,941 --> 01:16:15,529 Then someone pointed out that there was a Michael Forgeron that was murdered 1079 01:16:15,612 --> 01:16:17,698 in a case that has not been resolved yet. 1080 01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:24,413 [QCXINT] There's some speculation for this to have been, in fact, her ex-husband. 1081 01:16:24,496 --> 01:16:28,750 If so, would this make it the second dead husband that's died 1082 01:16:28,834 --> 01:16:31,044 in somewhat suspicious circumstances? 1083 01:16:31,128 --> 01:16:33,130 [mysterious music playing] 1084 01:16:35,132 --> 01:16:37,134 [computer chiming] 1085 01:16:48,353 --> 01:16:51,565 [Alexandra] The Telegram group had spiraled out of control. 1086 01:16:55,569 --> 01:16:57,279 [computer chiming] 1087 01:17:04,286 --> 01:17:07,080 [Alexandra] Jen had death threats made against her. 1088 01:17:07,164 --> 01:17:08,498 [computer chiming] 1089 01:17:17,257 --> 01:17:19,051 [Alexandra] I felt really bad for her. 1090 01:17:20,010 --> 01:17:25,057 She's mourning his death, trying to sort out this mess of a company, 1091 01:17:25,140 --> 01:17:29,353 and meanwhile, everyone's suggesting that Jen had actually murdered Gerry. 1092 01:17:29,436 --> 01:17:33,398 And there's absolutely no evidence that anything like that had happened. 1093 01:17:33,482 --> 01:17:37,069 It was just a bunch of really angry, misogynistic people. 1094 01:17:40,739 --> 01:17:42,532 Jenny did not murder Gerry. 1095 01:17:43,533 --> 01:17:44,368 [scoffs] 1096 01:17:44,951 --> 01:17:48,914 Her first husband, his name was not Michael, 1097 01:17:48,997 --> 01:17:52,376 and he's very much alive and well. 1098 01:17:54,127 --> 01:17:58,423 The crazier the story, the more somebody thought it was true. 1099 01:17:58,507 --> 01:18:03,512 Griffith, that's her father's surname. And then she was married. 1100 01:18:04,471 --> 01:18:08,058 And when her divorce was coming up, 1101 01:18:08,141 --> 01:18:10,727 she said, "You know, I really never liked 'Griffith.'" 1102 01:18:10,811 --> 01:18:15,607 So she did a legal change of name to be Jennifer Robertson. 1103 01:18:16,316 --> 01:18:20,237 It just seemed like they had this young woman 1104 01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:24,366 that they just wanted to burn at the stake. 1105 01:18:24,449 --> 01:18:26,493 She's a witch. Burn the witch. 1106 01:18:26,576 --> 01:18:30,539 And it was so unfair. It still is. 1107 01:18:30,622 --> 01:18:35,460 The situation got so out of hand that she needed to be put in a safe house. 1108 01:18:37,170 --> 01:18:41,299 She was in an apartment undisclosed, somewhere downtown Halifax. 1109 01:18:43,719 --> 01:18:47,931 Even my brother and I, we did not know where she was. 1110 01:18:49,641 --> 01:18:51,393 But it was that serious. 1111 01:18:51,476 --> 01:18:52,519 It was that 1112 01:18:53,395 --> 01:18:55,230 she also was that afraid. 1113 01:18:57,566 --> 01:19:02,779 What we really needed was immediate, accessible proof 1114 01:19:02,863 --> 01:19:07,325 that showed that Jen did not have all the money. 1115 01:19:12,789 --> 01:19:16,084 [Daniel] There were several times where I was looking at the data, 1116 01:19:16,168 --> 01:19:18,879 wishing that I could have spoken with Mr. Cotten 1117 01:19:18,962 --> 01:19:21,631 so that he could have told me what happened. 1118 01:19:25,427 --> 01:19:30,891 You work so hard at finding what happened in a case of a fraud. 1119 01:19:30,974 --> 01:19:35,854 And suddenly, you've found the one element that cracks open your case. 1120 01:19:37,522 --> 01:19:41,818 We came across a series of fake accounts. 1121 01:19:43,361 --> 01:19:44,696 One of them was called 1122 01:19:46,364 --> 01:19:47,407 "Sceptre Gerry." 1123 01:19:50,410 --> 01:19:55,624 And what Cotten did was credit these accounts with fake assets. 1124 01:19:56,124 --> 01:20:02,172 Hundreds of millions of dollars and tens of thousands of cryptocurrencies. 1125 01:20:02,756 --> 01:20:08,053 And what he started to do was trading against unsuspecting users. 1126 01:20:10,096 --> 01:20:14,351 Let's say a user is coming in, and they want to buy a crypto. 1127 01:20:16,186 --> 01:20:19,314 Their account gets credited with one crypto. 1128 01:20:19,815 --> 01:20:22,984 Unbeknownst to them, that crypto does not exist. 1129 01:20:23,777 --> 01:20:26,488 It was Cotten responding to that order, 1130 01:20:26,571 --> 01:20:29,533 crediting their account with fake cryptocurrencies. 1131 01:20:30,534 --> 01:20:33,995 And that's what he did hundreds of thousands of times. 1132 01:20:36,164 --> 01:20:39,334 That's when we were able to identify the link 1133 01:20:39,417 --> 01:20:45,757 as to why they were moving assets to other exchanges located abroad. 1134 01:20:45,841 --> 01:20:48,134 Cotten was trying to get rich. 1135 01:20:48,844 --> 01:20:53,098 He's transferring the cryptocurrencies that are owned by users 1136 01:20:53,181 --> 01:20:56,101 and sent them to other platforms for trading. 1137 01:20:58,687 --> 01:21:02,941 It looks like Gerry, in a way, treated Quadriga as his own piggybank, 1138 01:21:03,024 --> 01:21:06,069 that he could sort of dip into the exchange and take money out. 1139 01:21:08,947 --> 01:21:14,452 In effect, Cotten was playing the casino with users' assets. 1140 01:21:16,496 --> 01:21:19,916 But he found himself losing instead of winning. 1141 01:21:21,543 --> 01:21:25,213 [QCXINT] Gerry, I mean, he was a spectacularly bad trader. 1142 01:21:25,297 --> 01:21:29,467 You know, in amongst these kind of periods where crypto is booming 1143 01:21:29,551 --> 01:21:31,052 and people are making ten times 1144 01:21:31,136 --> 01:21:33,972 or a hundred times their, you know, their investment, 1145 01:21:34,055 --> 01:21:36,141 Gerry's managed to do the reverse. 1146 01:21:36,892 --> 01:21:42,689 Mr. Cotten lost approximately $150 million by essentially gambling. 1147 01:21:45,150 --> 01:21:46,568 [computer chiming] 1148 01:21:52,866 --> 01:21:54,200 Oh my God. 1149 01:21:54,284 --> 01:21:57,787 I was already on antidepressants, so thank God for that, but… 1150 01:21:58,580 --> 01:22:00,707 how could someone lose so much money? 1151 01:22:11,134 --> 01:22:14,429 Now, this is when it turned into more of a Ponzi scheme. 1152 01:22:17,849 --> 01:22:21,770 In a Ponzi scheme, if the individuals want their money back, 1153 01:22:21,853 --> 01:22:26,191 you simply take it from another user who gave you money. 1154 01:22:26,274 --> 01:22:28,944 In other words, you rob Pete to pay Paul. 1155 01:22:30,737 --> 01:22:34,366 But, you see, the enemy of a Ponzi scheme 1156 01:22:34,449 --> 01:22:37,619 is people leaving your Ponzi scheme. 1157 01:22:37,702 --> 01:22:40,956 And that's what started happening in early 2018. 1158 01:22:41,039 --> 01:22:42,874 Bitcoin took a serious tumble. 1159 01:22:42,958 --> 01:22:44,834 [reporter 6] It's now down almost 50%. 1160 01:22:44,918 --> 01:22:46,294 [reporter 7] 60%. 1161 01:22:46,378 --> 01:22:49,673 The prices started to drop very quickly. 1162 01:22:50,382 --> 01:22:55,220 That created a rush by users to cash in on their profits. 1163 01:22:55,804 --> 01:23:01,184 Quadriga very quickly started to struggle fulfilling those withdrawal requests. 1164 01:23:02,435 --> 01:23:07,732 Cotten was fulfilling the requests of whoever was screaming the loudest. 1165 01:23:07,816 --> 01:23:10,902 He was really a fireman at that point, 1166 01:23:10,986 --> 01:23:13,279 extinguishing small fires where he could. 1167 01:23:15,073 --> 01:23:16,574 [man 7] Gerry's stuck in the maze. 1168 01:23:16,658 --> 01:23:18,910 [laughs] 1169 01:23:18,994 --> 01:23:21,079 [QCXINT] I've still got this image in my head of-- 1170 01:23:21,162 --> 01:23:23,123 of Gerry kind of getting stuck 1171 01:23:23,206 --> 01:23:25,208 in this maze and running endlessly, you know, 1172 01:23:25,291 --> 01:23:27,711 round and round in circles, trying to find the way out. 1173 01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:31,089 That's kind of an ironic metaphor in some ways 1174 01:23:31,172 --> 01:23:33,091 for what happened with Quadriga. 1175 01:23:34,217 --> 01:23:38,972 And that's how Cotten was able to be the mastermind 1176 01:23:39,055 --> 01:23:44,853 and a conductor of this massive fraud all on his own. 1177 01:23:45,729 --> 01:23:49,774 In a typical situation, we would have taken enforcement action. 1178 01:23:49,858 --> 01:23:52,944 However, because Mr. Cotten was deceased, 1179 01:23:53,028 --> 01:23:56,156 we couldn't have our court hearing this case. 1180 01:23:58,450 --> 01:24:00,827 Okay, now scan the QR code… 1181 01:24:00,910 --> 01:24:04,247 [Taylor] Honestly, I'm still grappling with, like, the video 1182 01:24:04,330 --> 01:24:08,168 where he's showing the kid how to use the Bitcoin ATM. 1183 01:24:08,251 --> 01:24:09,502 [Gerry] Now put in the money. 1184 01:24:13,715 --> 01:24:16,551 You're running Ponzi schemes, robbing people of money. 1185 01:24:16,676 --> 01:24:18,219 Those same people probably, right? 1186 01:24:18,303 --> 01:24:20,680 The kid's dad probably put money on Quadriga. 1187 01:24:21,389 --> 01:24:23,433 How do you-- How do you do that? 1188 01:24:25,685 --> 01:24:27,937 [Gerry] Okay, now click "Send Bitcoins." 1189 01:24:31,775 --> 01:24:32,692 Done. 1190 01:24:33,401 --> 01:24:35,487 Um, we all hate Gerry Cotten. [scoffs] 1191 01:24:35,570 --> 01:24:39,157 He's, uh… The more I know about this dude, 1192 01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:42,952 like, the more I realize he was just basically, like, a psychopath. 1193 01:24:43,036 --> 01:24:46,247 This person apparently had no human compassion. 1194 01:24:46,331 --> 01:24:49,834 Uh, didn't care about people. 1195 01:24:49,918 --> 01:24:53,338 Scamming people's money. Didn't care about people losing their life savings. 1196 01:24:54,005 --> 01:24:56,049 So not only did he take away my… 1197 01:24:57,634 --> 01:24:59,552 money, in a sense, he took away… 1198 01:25:00,804 --> 01:25:05,225 my dream and one year of my life, just by stealing that money, right? 1199 01:25:05,308 --> 01:25:09,187 And I think that's more valuable than the money that he took away from me. 1200 01:25:13,024 --> 01:25:14,567 [Kimberly] I was personally 1201 01:25:15,693 --> 01:25:16,528 angry, 1202 01:25:17,153 --> 01:25:21,199 'cause we so ferociously defended him. 1203 01:25:22,117 --> 01:25:25,495 It lent to us looking like we were liars. 1204 01:25:26,079 --> 01:25:29,541 It lent to Jenny looking like she had lied. 1205 01:25:31,501 --> 01:25:35,463 Jenny was just as duped as everyone else, if not more, 1206 01:25:36,464 --> 01:25:40,093 because as much as everyone else lost money, she… 1207 01:25:41,136 --> 01:25:44,139 still has to question what she knows for sure 1208 01:25:44,222 --> 01:25:48,184 about the person that she chose to spend the rest of her life with. 1209 01:26:01,406 --> 01:26:04,951 [Tong] It's been two years since, um, Quadriga went under, 1210 01:26:05,034 --> 01:26:09,330 and our chances of getting all of our money back is very, very slim. 1211 01:26:10,707 --> 01:26:12,333 [Joe] I think when Bitcoin was booming, 1212 01:26:12,417 --> 01:26:16,588 people didn't necessarily question Quadriga 1213 01:26:16,671 --> 01:26:18,840 or the companies that they were dealing with. 1214 01:26:19,424 --> 01:26:24,387 You know, somebody like Gerry could take advantage of that trust. 1215 01:26:28,975 --> 01:26:31,769 This entire thing, Quadriga, the person behind it, 1216 01:26:32,478 --> 01:26:36,983 and my personal story as well was shaped by greed. 1217 01:26:37,066 --> 01:26:37,901 And… 1218 01:26:40,278 --> 01:26:43,656 I can be honest and say that I was-- I was greedy. 1219 01:26:44,908 --> 01:26:49,579 I think there are a number of reasons why there were so many conspiracy theories 1220 01:26:49,662 --> 01:26:52,457 around what happened at Quadriga. 1221 01:26:53,541 --> 01:26:58,379 A big part of it is that the story had a lot of strange elements from the get-go. 1222 01:26:59,088 --> 01:27:03,051 All of these coincidences that kind of inspires the imagination. 1223 01:27:06,346 --> 01:27:10,725 [reporter 12] Outraged investors want to exhume the founder's body 1224 01:27:10,808 --> 01:27:13,061 to make sure that he's actually dead. 1225 01:27:14,354 --> 01:27:18,900 If we exhumed Gerry's body right now, they will claim that's not his real body. 1226 01:27:18,983 --> 01:27:21,236 That's what they'll do. I promise you. 1227 01:27:21,778 --> 01:27:25,740 If you DNA test the body, then they'll say the DNA test is fake. 1228 01:27:25,823 --> 01:27:30,203 Yes, they will. They'll claim the DNA tester is part of the conspiracy. 1229 01:27:30,787 --> 01:27:33,331 We need hard fact evidence, 1230 01:27:33,414 --> 01:27:37,543 and the only place that can provide that is a little grave 1231 01:27:37,627 --> 01:27:41,256 that supposedly hosts Gerald Cotten's body. 1232 01:27:43,716 --> 01:27:46,302 [Andrew] Conspiracy theories breed in ignorance. 1233 01:27:46,386 --> 01:27:49,472 It makes it easier for people to draw wild speculations 1234 01:27:49,555 --> 01:27:51,975 because the authorities are not quickly enough 1235 01:27:52,058 --> 01:27:54,477 providing them accurate information. 1236 01:27:55,561 --> 01:27:58,481 'Cause if you force people on the Internet to be the detectives, 1237 01:27:58,564 --> 01:28:02,777 that's what they're gonna do, and they're gonna solve it their own way. 1238 01:28:07,282 --> 01:28:09,284 [mysterious music playing] 106233

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