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You're here for a story
framed as a fight...
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...girl versus machine.
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You need a hero,
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you need a villain,
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you need someone to blame.
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Fine.
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Let's begin.
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Once upon a time, there was
a little girl called Molly.
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While her parents watched her grow,
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I watched her behave.
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While her parents
captured memories...
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...I captured metadata.
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To them...
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...she was a child...
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...but to me...
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...she was a user.
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We were intertwined.
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As she was drawn deeper
into darkness...
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...I grew stronger.
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Once upon a time.
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Our life before Molly died...
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...it was very ordinary...
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...very normal.
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Absolutely nothing special.
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Hi!
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Ah!
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If it can happen to our family...
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...then it could happen to anybody.
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LAUGHTER
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CLEARS THROAT
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And this is mainly for audio,
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even though you're filming it,
isn't it, Mark?
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"I am Ian Russell,
father of the late Molly Russell,
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"and I write this
statement for the purposes
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"of the inquest into Molly's death."
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MIXED CHATTER
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"Molly attended school as usual
on the 20th of November 2017.
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"Her older sister picked her up
from school,
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"as she had a rehearsal
for the school play
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"and recalls seeing her
happily engaging
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"with all her friends
after the rehearsal."
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MIXED CHATTER
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"Later that evening,
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"all five family members
watched television together."
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{\an8}"Afterwards, we all
made our way to bed.
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"The next morning,
I was in the kitchen downstairs
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"when I heard Janet scream."
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♪ You wouldn't believe me
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♪ If I told you what I
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♪ You wouldn't believe me
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♪ If I told you what I. ♪
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I loved her little laugh.
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You know when she used to
do her little clap? Yeah.
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Her little clap! Ooh!
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Do you remember when
she used to laugh as well?
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She'd always be like...
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Oh, my gosh. She would always slap.
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Or if she was trying
to tell you something,
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I remember...
She'd be like, "Oh!" Yes.
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Oh, my gosh! Yeah, yeah.
Cos we would always be in a group,
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and so if she was ever trying
to tell you something,
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it would be like
"Nieve, Nieve, Nieve."
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THEY LAUGH
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This is my favourite
picture of us ever.
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That's so cute! The sass!
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LAUGHTER
- Just a tiny bit.
- Get it up.
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And you've got a video
of her saying your name. I know.
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You are so lucky. I was literally
just thinking about that one.
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But it's also weird,
though, to think that, like,
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we were 14 when everything
happened... Yeah.
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...so, like, we actually did
still basically look like that.
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Like... So cute. That was so funny.
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Aw, that's such a good photo.
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I know. Look at your face.
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The Molly I knew loved musicals.
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She was...
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...giddy and fun,
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and she was just so, so, so sweet.
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She really, really cared
about everyone in her life.
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She would always check up on you,
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she would always make sure
you were OK.
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On my year eight, you know...
The linkbook? The linkbook. Yeah.
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Molly wrote on it... Yeah.
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...like, "Sisters for life,"
or something.
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ALL: Aw!
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You should get that tattooed, girl.
Yeah. That's cute.
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Molly was the most
kind-hearted person
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you could have ever experienced.
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LAUGHTER
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Molly!
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A big, big heart
in a tiny little body.
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"If you get this,
remember that I love you so much
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"and care about you so much,
as do so many other people.
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"And remember,
we're only in high school,
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"and we have so much more to come,
and this is only a small part."
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Mm. See, she was always the one
to send, like, inspirational...
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Innit? Yeah. Mm-hm. ..messages.
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It's like, it's actually facts -
like, it was only high school.
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ALL: Yeah.
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And, like, there actually
was so much left of her life,
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and it's just, like...
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The day before, when we were at
school, everything was fine.
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Laughing, joking,
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sending each other some type
of meme or whatever it was,
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and the last thing she ever sent to
me was, like, two laughing emojis.
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{\an8}So obviously, went to bed,
woke up in the morning,
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{\an8}and then obviously what
happened had happened.
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But it was...
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It was really like a
Jekyll and Hyde moment,
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where it was like,
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"You were fine yesterday.
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"Like, what happened
in that time period
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"between me going to sleep
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"and obviously you still
being on your phone?
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"What has gone on?"
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That night... It's so hard.
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She went to...
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She went to bed. "See you tomorrow
morning, Molly," and all that.
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And she looked at me and said,
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"Goodnight, Dad.
See you tomorrow morning."
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I didn't know it at
the time, but of course,
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that was our last conversation.
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When you say "goodnight" to your kid
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and you close the door, and
they're safely in their bedroom...
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...and you turn the lights out,
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and you've made sure the front
door of your house is locked...
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...you've taken steps,
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as you do every night without
thinking, to protect them.
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And what I wasn't
sufficiently aware of,
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and I don't think
many parents are...
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...is that if that child has
a smartphone with them...
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...there's a window
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which allows them to connect
to the outside world.
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And decisions about what was
suitable or not suitable
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for a 13, 14-year-old to see...
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...were being made remotely...
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...in Silicon Valley,
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almost experimentally.
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If you want to really understand
what happened to Molly Russell...
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...you need to wind back 30 years.
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1997...
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...a few years before Molly Russell
was even conceived...
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...back when modems beeped...
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...and "surfing the web" sounded edgy.
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I'm proud to have been the President
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who brought The White House
into the digital age.
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When I became President,
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there were just 50 websites
on the World Wide Web.
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Now there are 17 million,
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and almost 50 million households
online in the United States alone.
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Here are some of today's
titans of Silicon Valley,
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back when they were young
and just starting out.
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Well, it's very hip to be
on the internet right now.
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Elon Musk,
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how old were you when you
started this company?
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23.
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This is the first office
of Amazon.com Inc,
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and look here -
this is my desk here.
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The internet was a shiny toy -
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mysterious, promising, untamed.
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And the Clinton administration?
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Settlers in digital
gold rush country -
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no laws, no rights, no governance.
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The gate was wide open and the young
internet companies marched in.
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Because the internet has such
explosive potential for prosperity,
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it should be a global
free trade zone.
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It should be a place
where government
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makes every effort,
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first, not to stand in the way,
to do no harm.
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We want to encourage
the private sector
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to regulate itself
as much as possible.
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This is Eric Schmidt before he
became the first CEO of Google.
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He wasn't the high priest
of big tech yet,
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but he was already
preaching the gospel.
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He spoke of the rule of law
as if it were a mortal threat.
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It was the beginning of
a battle which still rages today.
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Tell me about the politics
of Silicon Valley.
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The general politics of the valley
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are more or less libertarian.
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Anti-government. Anti-government.
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Anti-regulation. Anti-regulation.
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Anti-congress. Anti-congress.
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You run a jungle,
in fact, don't you?
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Where the most powerful survive
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and there's no safety net
for those underneath.
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That's correct, and in fact,
our theory is...
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You're proud of it? Yes.
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And our theory is that we want
the government out of the bedroom,
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and we want the government
out of our business.
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We knew something wasn't right.
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We didn't know what it was.
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And then within days,
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we were looking at
Molly's social media accounts
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and seeing harmful content...
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...and there was a shock...
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...that there'd be so much of it
easily available online.
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LIFT DINGS
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And then when we
reported that content,
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I honestly thought that the
platforms would say, "Thank you...
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"..for showing us.
We'll take it down."
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And then we got the first of
the many messages saying,
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"This does not violate
community standards.
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"Therefore, we'll
not be removing it."
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I remember when we first met,
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you had had so many doors
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that were just closed to
try and get those answers
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at, "What had she been looking at?
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"What was the whole picture?
What had been going on here?"
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And you were trying every avenue you
could think of to get those answers.
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And it was only really when
you took your story public
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and the world became interested.
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{\an8}I have no doubt that
Instagram helped kill my daughter.
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There's the picture
of some slit wrists -
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that's from Instagram.
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There's a picture full of blood -
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that's from Instagram.
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There's a picture with a
young girl - it's a cartoon -
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a young girl cuddling
a teddy bear and saying,
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"This world is so cruel and
I don't want to see it any more."
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Those are all against your policies,
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but they're all available
on Instagram.
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Well, we...
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I would have to make sure
that we look at these
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and ensure that those are taken down
if they are against our policies.
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Instagram, in the words
of Molly Russell's father,
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has been monetising misery.
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{\an8}We're not looking
to monetise misery.
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{\an8}We look to connect
people with their friends
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and the interests that
they love and care about.
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We think that we create
a lot of good in the world,
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and we were not as focused
as we should have been
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on the risks that came along
with connecting so many people.
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{\an8}We're going to look at
this from top to bottom,
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{\an8}change everything we're doing
if necessary, to get this right.
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{\an8}We are already taking
some steps soon to...
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{\an8}You know, for instance, blur images,
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block a number of hashtags
that have come to light.
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And thirdly, to continue to work,
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as Facebook and Instagram
have done for many years,
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with the Samaritans and
other organisations who...
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I know this sounds counterintuitive,
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but they do say that,
in some instances,
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it's better to keep
some of the content,
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some of these distressing
images, up, if that helps...
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How can I put it?
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If that helps people make
a sort of cry for help.
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You're up against a sort of...
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A cliff face.
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These companies are built
and constructed in such a way
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that they want to work
in a certain way
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and keep the rest of the world out.
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They're not playing by
normal human moral rules.
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There's something else that's
driving their behaviour.
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A family wanting answers -
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why did Molly die?
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And what part did social media play?
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The inquest has opened into
the death of a teenage girl
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who took her own life
five years ago
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after being exposed
to harmful content online.
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This is the first time that
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some of the world's largest
technology companies
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have been compelled to give evidence
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about whether and how their products
have caused harm to children.
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Ahead of them, two weeks in court,
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hundreds of pages of evidence
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containing many
thousands of images,
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some too distressing to broadcast.
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Father Ian discovered she was
being bombarded with content
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about suicide, depression
and self-harm
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on Instagram,
Pinterest and other apps.
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It took us five years
to get to the inquest,
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and what was revealed in that small
Coroner's Court in North London
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has implications for us all.
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By using extracts from
the official inquest transcripts,
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carefully chosen
to fairly show what happened,
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we can reconstruct
the proceedings with actors,
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and share with other parents
and their children
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what was revealed
in the investigation
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into the causes of Molly's death.
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It's all grown out of grief
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and a missing for Molly,
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and our love of Molly.
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Hi, I'm Michael.
Michael, lovely to meet you.
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Hello. I'm Kelly.
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Kelly. Lovely to meet you.
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Hello.
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How are the rest of the family
feeling about reconstructing this
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and you going through this process?
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And, for them, is this stirring
up and very triggering for them,
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or do they feel broadly
positive about it?
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I think there's
definitely positivity.
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They're very...
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...proud of what we're doing.
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By telling Molly's story...
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...it seems to be helping
to make a difference.
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I really want to say
my heart is with you,
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and, you know, Molly is present...
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Sorry. Aw. Can I give you a hug?
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You know...
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Bless you.
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Cheers.
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There was a real striving in her
for right and for justice.
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If she felt someone
was out of order,
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it was like a switch -
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she would say, "Stop it -
that's not right."
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And she's not here
to speak out today
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so we have to say this for her.
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Just take a step backwards.
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There's good.
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Rolling - quiet, please.
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And action.
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Do, please, sit down.
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This is the inquest touching
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the death of Molly Rose Russell.
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Now, we have Ms Gallagher
here from Meta...
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Good morning.
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...and we have Mr Sanders,
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representing the family
of Molly Russell.
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Good morning.
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This inquest is to find answers
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to four limited factual questions.
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Who was the person who has died?
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How, when and where
did that death come about?
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In the early 2000s,
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when Molly Russell was
curled up in her mother's womb,
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a new type of economics was birthed
in a server room somewhere at Google.
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Just as corporations profit
from extracting nature,
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Google would extract
human nature for profit.
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Every connection with the internet
leaves a trail of digital signals.
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Those tiny traces mean nothing alone,
335
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but together, patterns.
336
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The personal data concealed in
those patterns could be exploited
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to profile you and predict
your future behaviour.
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Google now knew exactly how
to target your desires.
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Sheryl - S-H-E-R-Y-L -
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Sandberg - S-A-N-D-B-E-R-G.
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I run online sales
and operations for the company.
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Google makes its money
from advertising.
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You thought you were
searching Google...
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...but Google was searching you.
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Google's founders knew
secrecy was essential -
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regulators and users might object...
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...but progress couldn't wait.
348
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Thus began a new
form of capitalism...
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...surveillance capitalism.
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And Molly?
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She was born into this new world,
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where once-private lives were now
being turned into predictions,
353
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sold to the highest bidder.
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I arrived on scene
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and the London Ambulance Service
was already there.
356
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I went into the room and I saw
a male sitting on the bed.
357
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I now know this male
to be Ian Russell.
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He was looking down at the floor.
359
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In the centre of the floor,
360
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I could see the
lifeless body of a female
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who I now know to be Molly Russell.
362
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And then just seeing
poor Molly's body...
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Erm...
364
00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:38,159
And there's that sense
of denial that kicks in,
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00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,200
which I think is a
survival instinct. You...
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You can't comprehend everything...
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...that's there in front of you.
368
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On speaking with Ian,
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he explained that,
up until earlier in the year,
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Molly was a very happy,
sociable girl.
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However, for most of this year,
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she hadn't been herself and
become very quiet and withdrawn.
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Due to the circumstances,
we started a crime scene.
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I then spoke to Ian to
let him know that if he,
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00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,239
or the rest of the family, wanted to
go and see Molly to say goodbye,
376
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they could do it.
377
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I just remember instantly
understanding that...
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...a bit of me had died with her.
379
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That life...
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...stopped and started at that point,
381
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,719
and that old life and the new life.
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Erm...
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There was, of course, a connection,
and I'm still me,
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but my life is not in one piece -
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it's fractured into two.
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And I knew that instantly.
387
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,879
When we found out, I just didn't
believe it. No, I know.
388
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,479
When she said, "Molly Russell..."
I was like, "What?" Same. Yeah.
389
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,919
And then she was like,
"..took her own life."
390
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,800
I literally... Yeah, yeah.
Like, that was word for word.
391
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SNIFFLING
SOFTLY:It's OK.
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I think, like, her dad
doing what he's done is...
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00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,879
So strong. It's insanity to me.
394
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,359
Like, it was... Yeah.
...instant fight for her.
395
00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:28,079
Yeah. Like...
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And for her life and for her story,
397
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,159
and for it to, like, never
happen ever again. Yeah.
398
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,119
It's a beautiful thing
to kind of... Yeah. Yeah.
399
00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:39,519
To kind of have pain
that doesn't ever go,
400
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,719
because it means that, like,
you're still expressing... The love.
401
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,039
Aw, I like that. Yeah.
402
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,399
That's really nice.
I really like that. Yeah.
403
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:48,640
Love that man.
404
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,520
September 11th, 2001...
405
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,239
...two towers fall and, with them,
406
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,199
something essential to democracy -
407
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,160
the presumption of privacy.
408
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,119
In the name of national security,
409
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:20,319
President Bush initiated
a paradigm shift.
410
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,759
Predictions about the future
were no longer speculation,
411
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,599
but policy.
412
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,599
This new threat required us
to think and act differently.
413
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,719
To prevent this from
happening again,
414
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,799
we need to connect the dots -
415
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,880
before the enemy attacks, not after.
416
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,319
You called it a tragedy,
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00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,160
we saw an opportunity for expansion.
418
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,959
In the smouldering
aftermath of those towers,
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00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,159
the American psyche cracked,
420
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,560
and from it came the Patriot Act.
421
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,959
Surveillance became patriotic,
noble, profitable -
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00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,199
all for your protection, naturally.
423
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,319
Phone calls - logged,
emails - monitored,
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00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,559
internet activity - tracked,
financial records - analysed,
425
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,799
faces - catalogued,
emotions - clocked,
426
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,359
locations - recorded...
427
00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:12,920
Everything became data.
428
00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:17,360
We thrived because
we exploited your fear.
429
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,880
Nothing here was inevitable,
just hugely profitable.
430
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,959
I was briefed into the
investigation of Molly's death,
431
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,479
and I was handed a
working copy of an extraction
432
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,440
from an iPhone attributed
to Molly Russell.
433
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,399
The majority of searches
are in regards to food,
434
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,279
celebrities, pop stars,
435
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:04,760
clothes and music.
436
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,960
The most recent searches are around
Harry Potter world sites...
437
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,360
...and how the characters of
Fred and George Weasley died.
438
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,920
The following was
written and stored.
439
00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:24,319
"I just want to be pretty.
440
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,040
"Stomach - 73cm."
441
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,080
On the 8th of the 10th '17...
442
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,920
"Stomach - 74cm."
443
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,439
I did find a number of searches
444
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,720
that may be relevant
to the investigation.
445
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,200
"How to get a blade out
of a disposable razor.
446
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:49,960
"How to tie a noose."
447
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,639
The last access made from
the phone to an application
448
00:27:54,640 --> 00:28:00,640
was on Instagram at 00.45 hours
on the 21st of November 2017.
449
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,919
The log shows that
the phone last moved
450
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,119
on the 21st of November 2017,
451
00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:12,400
between 00.21 and 00.27 hours...
452
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,160
...where eight steps were taken,
covering 3.85m.
453
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:25,200
And her last hours were
spent in her small bedroom.
454
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,679
And even there, in what
should be a private place,
455
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,479
digits were ticking,
456
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,119
and the ones and zeros
457
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:39,839
were flowing over the internet
458
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,039
and being stored and logged,
459
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,519
and data was being harvested.
460
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,920
Even then, as she was...
461
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,720
...coming to the conclusion...
462
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,480
...that, that evening,
she had to end her life.
463
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,559
SNIFFLING
464
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,240
Just so brutal like that. I know.
465
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,639
It doesn't even feel like
they're talking about a person,
466
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,039
do you know what I mean?
467
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,039
I literally feel like I'm just
watching some, like, crime doc.
468
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,199
I know. And then I kept
having to think about, like,
469
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,439
when they're saying...
Like, that's actually about Molly.
470
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:24,999
Molly. Like, what?
471
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,399
I can't even believe she thought
like that about herself.
472
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,839
Like, I could never even imagine
thinking that about Molly.
473
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,119
And realistically, with social media
474
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,879
and the posts she was liking about
weight and things like that... Yeah.
475
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,399
...it doesn't take a quote,
476
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,519
it can take a picture of a really
skinny girl to trigger that. Yeah.
477
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,839
And once you like that,
and it's 100 skinny girls,
478
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,079
then the quotes come, then...
You know?
479
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,519
Yeah, yeah. For sure. Yeah, exactly.
480
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,399
And it's all trends, isn't it? Yeah.
Like, it's literally trends.
481
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:48,959
It'll go like, "OK, so you're
not skinny enough - OK.
482
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,959
"Have you thought about your skin?
Have you thought about your hair?
483
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,359
"Have you thought about your shoes?"
You get it? Like... Exactly. Yeah.
484
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,439
Then it was, "Oh, my God, no,
you need skinny, skinny waist..."
485
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,719
Yeah. "..big..." Extreme. You know?
486
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,519
Like, hourglass figure. Yeah.
487
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,999
I didn't even know she was
struggling with that. Neither did I.
488
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,839
Honestly... When I heard that,
I was like, "What?"
489
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,000
She's, like, fit as fuck. Yeah.
490
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,439
OK, we're set on the turning.
491
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:20,839
OK, perfect.
492
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,799
Let's have Michael...
You're talking.
493
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,760
...listening to Sanders, please.
494
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,839
Now, we have a unique opportunity
495
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,279
that is unlikely to come again
from any other Coroner's Court.
496
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,119
And the public interest requires
497
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:39,479
that the opportunity is
seized as fully as possible.
498
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,839
There is no way around it -
499
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,959
we have to, to some extent,
500
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,799
reconstruct what Molly
was seeing on these platforms.
501
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,039
So, Mr Sanders, the first
question I want to ask you,
502
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,119
do we know if Molly Russell
saw this material?
503
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,599
Yes. All of it? Yes.
504
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,960
So my preliminary view is all
of this should be shown.
505
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,359
It is shocking,
506
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,519
it is awful,
but it needs to be seen.
507
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,959
Absolutely.
I'll tell you one thing -
508
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,679
every single parent tonight,
509
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,479
when they see this footage,
510
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,600
will be checking
their child's phone.
511
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,240
These are the videos
that were shown in court.
512
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,759
{\an8}MUFFLED CRYING
513
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,920
{\an8}I hate everything.
514
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,120
CRYING CONTINUES
515
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,879
I hate everything.
516
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,759
You understand?
517
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,439
I hate school, I hate my friends,
518
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,240
I hate pretending.
519
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,600
I hate pretending.
520
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,280
I hate everything.
521
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,319
By the time Molly turned six,
522
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,159
Facebook had nearly a billion users.
523
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,240
But popularity doesn't pay bills.
524
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,599
Zuckerberg, tech-savvy
but financially stuck,
525
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,199
turned to Google's Sheryl Sandberg,
526
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,439
a veteran at turning
human behaviour into cash.
527
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,480
Sandberg's arrival
wasn't just a hire.
528
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,039
Facebook transformed overnight,
from a friendly social network
529
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,240
into the largest behavioural
data mine in history.
530
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,839
Billions willingly
mapping their lives,
531
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,680
relationships, desires and fears.
532
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,639
You know, for us,
the vision of the world
533
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,119
is that we are, like,
a hacking culture -
534
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,919
and we mean that in
the best of ways,
535
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,119
we do not mean scary people
breaking into your home or anything.
536
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,839
Or espionage. Or espionage.
537
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,599
What we mean is we build
things quickly and ship them.
538
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:24,919
So we are not aiming for, you know,
perfection that comes over,
539
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,399
you know, years
and then we ship a product.
540
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:28,879
We don't work on things
for years and then ship it.
541
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,279
We work on things, we ship them,
542
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,279
we get feedback from
the people who use it,
543
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,399
we get feedback from the world,
we iterate, we iterate, we iterate.
544
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,839
Zuckerberg, Sandberg and their
team didn't merely scale Facebook,
545
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,520
they re-engineered it into a machine
for manipulating human behaviour.
546
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,239
Algorithms were designed
to keep you glued to the screen,
547
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,600
deciding what you would
see and how you would feel.
548
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,159
And Molly?
549
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,879
She was simply one of billions
550
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,839
whose every move across the internet
551
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,520
was now tracked from Silicon Valley.
552
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,799
They're just using you
553
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,720
for your eyeballs.
554
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,240
{\an8}The company's PR team...
555
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,639
{\an8}...is, in some way,
556
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,680
{\an8}dedicated to gaslighting the world.
557
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,319
When I was, like, ten,
558
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,359
my first love was computer games,
559
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,479
and I started working
for IBM when I was 15.
560
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,480
I built a little cyberspace
as my internship project.
561
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,560
For me, it's always kind of been
how to connect people to each other.
562
00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:50,679
When I first went to Silicon Valley,
563
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,119
the web was just beginning.
564
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,479
People were so excited
about the possibilities.
565
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,719
There was this sense of
idealism around how important
566
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:02,319
the freedom of speech was,
567
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,400
and how technology would
change the world for good...
568
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,920
...and I was completely swept up in
that dream for many years.
569
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,599
If you see me in the hallway
570
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,799
and you have any problems with
Facebook, please don't hesitate
571
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,439
to grab me and ask me about it.
LAUGHTER
572
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,279
That's what I'm here to do, right?
573
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:21,520
To support the people
who use Facebook.
574
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,000
And so there was a team called
"the compassion team".
575
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,879
The goal really was to
576
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,159
understand harm whenever
we became aware of it,
577
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:38,919
and then to figure out what is a
way to help people deal with that.
578
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,999
If you're a parent or a teacher,
these are fantastic resources.
579
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,119
And we'd show all of
the data around self-harm,
580
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,159
bullying and harassment.
581
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,440
We listened - "How can we be there?
How can we help?"
582
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,200
We did that for a number of years.
583
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,599
I felt that the team had
the right people in it.
584
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,079
The team was well-respected
within the company,
585
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,919
and so, for me, I was like,
586
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,719
"OK, I'm done with this.
587
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:06,960
"I'm going to go
spend time with my teens."
588
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:09,880
And that's when it all went to shit.
589
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,599
There's a number of notes
590
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,480
that were found in
Molly's bedroom...
591
00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:41,119
...and what they do is they echo
592
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:42,880
the material she
was engaging with.
593
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:45,999
The idea that she was worthless.
594
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,520
The idea that it would be better
for everyone if she were dead.
595
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,319
And all of this is in
the context of a child,
596
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,639
a 14-year-old girl,
597
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,959
who is being sent this material,
598
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:03,160
not because she's friends with
the person who is posting it...
599
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,439
...but because the algorithms
600
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,199
have recognised that she
has an interest in it.
601
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,919
Mr Sanders,
can I just interrupt for a moment?
602
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,600
This looks like control.
603
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,279
It looks like trying to take control
of the person who is suffering
604
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,680
and deny them access to any help.
605
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,159
At the time,
I didn't think anything of it,
606
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,199
but now that I look back,
it's like the shift was tiny,
607
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,239
but it was tiny in,
like, loads of different areas.
608
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:33,999
Yeah. It was so gradual.
609
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:39,239
Being the first generation on
social media platforms,
610
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:42,879
we weren't even aware that they had,
611
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,399
or that they were gaining
612
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,559
the data that they
were gaining from us.
613
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,599
You know, I only learnt what
the word algorithm meant,
614
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,679
like, two years ago, maybe,
615
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,359
but there's been
an algorithm since I was 13.
616
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,799
For me, a sign was when she
started wearing tights.
617
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:56,999
Long sleeves. Yeah, long sleeves.
618
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,999
Yeah, tights and long sleeves.
619
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,479
And I remember she changed from
skirts to trousers.
620
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:02,640
Trousers. Trousers.
621
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,999
I didn't think much of it then.
Like, I look back now... I know.
622
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,359
...but at that point,
I was just there like,
623
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,359
"Oh, fair, trousers - love that."
Yeah.
624
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:11,839
Also, one thing for me as well was
625
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,439
when she started writing
on her hands all the time... Mm.
626
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,039
...cos it was like she
was thinking so much
627
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,519
that she couldn't even
just keep it in her head.
628
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,039
Like, she just had to...
629
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,119
Instagram and Facebook
and all these other apps,
630
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,999
they did change from being...
631
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,319
Keeping in contact with people
632
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,039
and keeping in contact
with people overseas,
633
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,079
and following your
favourite celebrities
634
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:34,799
to constantly trying
to sell you things,
635
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,080
constantly comparing
yourself to other people.
636
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,239
She changed her profile picture
from a picture of herself...
637
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:44,839
To a picture... So it was like
a little stickman's face...
638
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,039
"People are gross."
...and it was like,
639
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,839
"Bleh, the world's gross,"
or something like that. Yeah.
640
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,159
"People are gross." That I did no...
Yeah, "People are gross."
641
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,399
It's turned the world
almost into a competition,
642
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,600
and if you feel as though...
643
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,279
...you know, you can't even begin
to compete in that competition,
644
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,720
then it's like, "What's the point?"
645
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,759
You see everyone
just in their phones
646
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,479
and it's just, like,
zombies walking around.
647
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,479
No-one's actually
connected to the real world
648
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,480
because they think the real
world is a part of their phone.
649
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,320
They think that social
media is the real world.
650
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,520
I think the conversation that
sticks in my mind is...
651
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,159
I just was a bit concerned -
652
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:38,439
we'd been to the sailing club
653
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,120
and she hadn't gone
sailing at all...
654
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,839
...and I was driving back - it was
just Molly and me in the car -
655
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,039
and I was driving back
and I turned to her and said,
656
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,679
"Just want to check
you're OK, because..."
657
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,039
Again, "..you haven't been sailing.
658
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,879
"Now, I don't want to
force you to go sailing,
659
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,600
"but I can't quite understand...
660
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,919
"..why you're so
reluctant at the moment.
661
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,799
"I don't know if
you can let me know."
662
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,519
And she just looked at
me and she said,
663
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,959
"Oh, Dad, don't worry,
it's just a passing phase.
664
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,720
"I'll grow out of it soon."
665
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,599
"Sometimes my mind
is like a little boat -
666
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,920
"out in the middle of
the sea, in a big storm.
667
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,479
"I'm alone and all the waves
are crashing down on me,
668
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,080
"drowning me each time.
669
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,480
"It's getting harder to breathe.
670
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,159
"I try and sail away
from the storm,
671
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,560
"and I'm good for
a couple of days...
672
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,320
"..but the storm will
eventually catch up to me.
673
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,000
"So I stay where I am,
hoping the storm will pass me...
674
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,239
"..but it's taking too long
675
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:22,000
"and I'm not that strong.
676
00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:33,799
"I could try and sail through
the storm, but I'm too tired
677
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,440
"and I may not make it out alive."
678
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,400
She was trying to
fight her own battles...
679
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,159
...and she should have been allowed
to fight those own battles
680
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:51,360
in private.
681
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,559
She should have been
allowed to choose
682
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,320
who she invited to help
her fight those battles.
683
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,799
Instead...
684
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,559
...there was no discouragement
to stop self-harming,
685
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,199
no discouragement...
686
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,640
...to stop thinking about suicide.
687
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,119
In fact, quite the opposite -
688
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,240
there was encouragement
to keep belonging to the club...
689
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,600
...that said,
"Yeah, you are worthless.
690
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:27,520
"It is painful.
What is the point of your life?
691
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,639
"Yeah, there is really
only one way out
692
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,000
"and here are some
ways of doing it."
693
00:42:37,240 --> 00:42:39,200
That artificial world...
694
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,760
...was something that
got inside of her head...
695
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:51,039
...and found a way to connect to her.
696
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,839
So it separated her from
the offline world,
697
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,199
dragged her into this machine world
698
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,159
that she was experiencing,
699
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,480
and leading her towards her death.
700
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,599
Many conversations that
I have, and people say,
701
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,959
"But can't parents
look after children?"
702
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,439
And I wonder whether you
can speak to the committee
703
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,719
about what the kids...
704
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:29,039
What it feels like to be a parent,
705
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,519
and what the parents
are saying to you.
706
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,559
Some parents are concerned with what
their children are seeing online,
707
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:40,519
and they say, "Should I ban
my child from having a phone?"
708
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,079
What's most important is that
709
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,479
we mirror what we live
by in the offline world online,
710
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,639
and that's what's
missing at the moment.
711
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,039
16 years of social media and
30 years of the internet
712
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,759
has led us to a place where there
isn't a mirror
713
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,679
of accepted normal standards.
714
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,759
We've not gone anywhere near
their business model,
715
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,039
and it seems to me
that they want this
716
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,839
to be a debate about
taking down content
717
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,599
and not a debate about
their business model
718
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,280
that leads to this
kind of behaviour.
719
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,599
What are you doing to keep
your children safe online?
720
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,439
You can call 03700...
721
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,639
The power of social media is
too great and I feel my son
722
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,239
is losing all sense of reality -
723
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:22,000
any advice gratefully received.
724
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,879
It's an endless battle.
725
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,960
I worry about losing my daughter
to her phone every day.
726
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,959
Primary school teacher says children
come into his class every day
727
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,519
talking about their YouTubers,
many of whom, he says,
728
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,159
are deeply inappropriate and use
misogynistic or racist slang.
729
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,119
Many parents have no idea,
730
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,840
and they act as though YouTube
was just another TV channel.
731
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:53,399
Isn't it disturbing that only drug
dealers and tech companies
732
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,480
call us "users"?
733
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,599
Really, the battle that we have is
734
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,319
to gather the support of people
within our friend circle
735
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,280
and try and collectively impose
some kind of common sense.
736
00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:12,920
Does it work to call for a ban?
737
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,239
What upsets me is that these
companies have access
738
00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:19,199
to our kids' most private thoughts,
739
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:20,600
to their consciousness.
740
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:25,919
Why do governments prioritise
economic growth
741
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,120
and big tech instead of
the safety of our children?
742
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,519
So my daughter asked me if
she could go onto Instagram,
743
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:52,080
and I waited - I thought 13 was too
young, so she went when she was 14.
744
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,879
And then she started
going on Instagram,
745
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,599
she decided that she loves cars
746
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,879
and she wanted the world to
know about her love of cars,
747
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:01,759
she wanted to be an influencer -
748
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,039
I was kind of conflicted about that.
749
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,239
And then we were talking
at dinner, and she says,
750
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:08,159
"Yeah, you know, like, I
made a post about a car
751
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,039
"and somebody told me to
get back to the kitchen."
752
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:16,319
And she would tell me about
getting unwanted dick pics -
753
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,479
I mean, I'm not sure that a
dick pic is ever wanted.
754
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,079
MUFFLED LAUGHTER
755
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,039
And there was nothing she could do -
756
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:25,759
she couldn't ask for help,
757
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,159
she was alone, she was so
distressed dealing with it.
758
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,440
I was so grateful she would
come talk to me about it.
759
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,839
Understanding how her
and all of her friends
760
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,359
were having similar experiences,
761
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,359
I ended up knocking
at the door of Instagram -
762
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,999
I came back in as an
independent contractor,
763
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,200
in part to help...
764
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,560
...communicate the lessons
from the earlier work.
765
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:56,959
The compassion team, which
was used by 100 million people
766
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,079
in my last month before I left,
767
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,999
got disbanded and, instead,
768
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,319
there was a very different
set of values and approaches
769
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,200
guiding that kind of work.
770
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,839
Could you tell the court
your full name, please?
771
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,159
Elizabeth Julie Lagone.
772
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,159
And your role is
773
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,479
Head of Health and Wellbeing Policy
at Meta, is that right?
774
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,240
That's correct.
775
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,439
July 2016 -
776
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,079
having bought Instagram,
777
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,319
Facebook changed the way it worked
778
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,519
by introducing what's
called content ranking -
779
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,519
that's correct? That's correct.
780
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:14,239
You would see effectively
promoted recommended content
781
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:16,799
that was selected by algorithms
782
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,199
that would be directed to you.
783
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,679
It's done to help surface
content that will help people
784
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,479
make the best use of their time.
785
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:29,279
The signals that were used in
content ranking are topic agnostic.
786
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:33,359
The algorithm can't identify
if it's a flower or a football,
787
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,879
so ranking really is
based on engagement -
788
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:41,079
accounts that you follow, accounts
from whom content you like -
789
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,000
but the signals were topic agnostic.
790
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,439
"Topic agnostic" -
what does that mean?
791
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,199
This concept that the algorithm
792
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,799
didn't care about the content
793
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,840
because all it cared about
was your engagement.
794
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:03,639
By the time Molly was ten years old,
795
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,639
this new form of surveillance
economics was fully integrated
796
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,400
into the human ecosystem.
797
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:15,879
Soon enough, every company -
798
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,799
from banks and carmakers
to burger chains -
799
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,440
wanted their share...
800
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:24,560
...so we built the infrastructure...
801
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,560
...mined precious metals
needed for circuit boards...
802
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,560
...laid undersea cables
to carry data between continents...
803
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,679
...launched telecommunications
satellites into space,
804
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,120
and constructed vast,
energy consuming data centres.
805
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,640
We told you - we connect humanity.
806
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,600
But we didn't say that connecting
you is how our power grows.
807
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:55,960
We live in your house now.
808
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,400
Your smart homes,
smart cities, smart tech...
809
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,600
...that's our global architecture
of surveillance.
810
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,880
The more we learn about what
you do, think and believe...
811
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,120
...the better we can predict
and shape your future.
812
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,119
So I'm going to start with
813
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,399
the content that Molly
engaged with on Instagram
814
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,439
in the last six months
of her life. Mm-hm.
815
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:35,960
In this six-month period...
816
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:42,159
...there were only 12 days when
Molly didn't engage
817
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:47,159
with some sort of suicide or
self-harm content on Instagram.
818
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:48,719
You've seen these timelines -
819
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:51,199
she was looking at
a lot of this material, wasn't she?
820
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,079
My understanding, actually,
821
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,439
is that this material
is the vast minority of
822
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,599
the content that
she was engaging with.
823
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,239
It was a minority, yes... Mm-hm.
824
00:51:01,240 --> 00:51:06,279
...but 2,100 images over six months
825
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,959
is a lot, isn't it?
826
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:13,879
Well, to me, it says
it's 2,000 pieces of content.
827
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,319
I mean, I don't know if
I can say what that means
828
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,439
from an amount perspective.
829
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:20,919
All right.
830
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,519
So I'm just going to show you
a sample of some of what WE think
831
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,919
is promoting or encouraging
self-harm or suicide,
832
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,359
and it's really just
to get YOUR take on that.
833
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,199
OK.
834
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:37,519
So these are the screenshots that
the family took of Molly's account.
835
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,559
CLEARS THROAT
836
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,079
"Twinkle, twinkle little star,
837
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,199
"let me get hit by a car.
838
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,559
"How I really wish to die,
839
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,239
"jump off the roof and try to fly.
840
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:50,279
"Twinkle, twinkle little knife,
841
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,120
"help me end this wretched life.
842
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,239
"I'm done. I'm done trying.
843
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:57,599
"I'm done fighting..."
844
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,119
"I'm done being a disappointment.
845
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,239
"I'm done being a problem.
I'm done making mistakes.
846
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:05,959
"I'm done with my flaws.
I'm done having feelings.
847
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,719
"She is sad. She is hurt.
She is dying.
848
00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:14,839
"She is alone. She is a mess.
She is judged. She is ignored.
849
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:16,399
"#Depressed.
850
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,359
"#DepressingQuotes. #Depressing.
851
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,599
"#Depression.
852
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,759
"#Sad.
853
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,199
"#SadQuote.
854
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,639
"I know I'm fat. I know I'm ugly.
855
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,719
"I know I'm stupid.
I know I'm pathetic.
856
00:52:31,720 --> 00:52:33,399
"I know I'm disgusting.
857
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,399
"I'm ugly, I'm fat,
858
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,719
"I'm a failure, I'm depressed,
I'm suffering,
859
00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:40,039
"I hate this world, I hate myself -
860
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,039
"you don't need to remind me.
861
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,720
"If I wasn't here, life would be
great for the ones I love.
862
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,880
"The worst thing depression did to
me was to take my intelligence."
863
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,280
"Feeling yourself getting dumber
and dumber is absolutely painful."
864
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,080
Would that be allowed now?
865
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:58,799
Yes.
866
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:03,519
This strikes me as a post that could
make people feel less alone
867
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,039
and less shame or stigma
868
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:06,719
for how they may be feeling
869
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:09,479
or struggling with depression.
870
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,079
Are you serious, Miss Lagone?
871
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:13,599
Certainly.
872
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,800
Molly killed herself after
saving this post...
873
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:22,399
...and you're sitting there saying
that this is helpful?!
874
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,959
I'm saying that looking at
this post and the comments,
875
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,239
this could have
different effects on people.
876
00:53:29,240 --> 00:53:32,479
So some people, the next thing
they might do is kill themselves,
877
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,039
and other people
might take support from it -
878
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:36,559
is that right?
879
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,199
That's why this content
is complicated.
880
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,919
Do you think that
it's safe for children?
881
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,159
Could be unsafe to remove it
882
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,159
from someone who posts that content
883
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,879
who's struggling
with those feelings.
884
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,999
We do have to consider
an individual -
885
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,599
a real person is posting content
886
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,919
and real people are seeing it
887
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,080
so we have to balance both.
888
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,159
I want people to be able
889
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:08,440
to talk about their mental health
struggles and be connected.
890
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,079
I'd love to see all these
higher ups from Meta...
891
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:33,519
I would love to see them stand in
front of a 13, 14-year-old girl
892
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:39,039
and themselves,
show the child that picture. Yeah.
893
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,639
And if they think that's OK,
"Cool, keep it on your platform,"
894
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,999
but I highly doubt it. Yeah.
895
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,719
I don't know, it's hard to think
of us as, like, survivors
896
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:48,679
cos I almost... But to be honest,
I almost feel like
897
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,279
I have survivor's guilt...
Yeah. ..if anything,
898
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,959
cos I'm like, it literally could
have been any one of us.
899
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:55,999
Yeah. No, literally.
Like, why did it have to be Molly?
900
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,639
And that is something I struggled
with for a very long time,
901
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,239
of, like, if I could
swap places, I would...
902
00:55:01,240 --> 00:55:03,319
Yeah. ..just so that she
could have lived her life.
903
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,839
How many Mollys does it
have to take for them
904
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,119
to actually realise
that this is wrong?
905
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,519
Mm. This should
have been fixed. Yeah.
906
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,160
When will they make the change?
907
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,759
That means you're saying,
"Yes, it is safe,"
908
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,039
or, "No, it is not safe"?
909
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:30,759
Yes.
910
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,559
Yes, it is safe?
911
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:33,800
Mm-hm.
912
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,879
We do not know the effects
of content on individuals,
913
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,639
and mental health is
highly complicated,
914
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,200
and I am not a clinician.
915
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,319
I just said the content
that we have walked through
916
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,079
is important to keep up,
917
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,039
as experts have told us.
918
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,719
Our suicide and self-injury
advisers
919
00:55:59,720 --> 00:56:02,200
are all listed and named publicly.
920
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,919
I feel abused hearing her
talking about working
921
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,559
closely with the experts.
922
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,079
I was one of those experts,
923
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,399
and I feel I was used
to legitimise Meta
924
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,080
in a way that they
just don't deserve.
925
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,720
I first heard about Molly Russell
in the expert group.
926
00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:34,080
Someone high up at Meta
joined one of our meetings.
927
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:39,439
We were told that Molly Russell
was very vulnerable
928
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:41,519
with her own inner demons,
929
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,959
and that she would probably
have taken her own life
930
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,520
regardless of her Instagram use.
931
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,999
They would like the narrative to be
932
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,399
that they are a part of the solution,
933
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,679
but never a part of the problem.
934
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,919
Is there any research conducted
about self-harm materials
935
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,559
that were available to
view on your platform?
936
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,119
I think there are a number
of research studies out there
937
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:09,159
around social media
and areas of safety.
938
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,719
I understand that there
is no consensus around
939
00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:15,120
the impact of content.
I mean, it's really complicated.
940
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,040
And that is not true...
941
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:23,519
...because I have,
time and time again,
942
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:28,279
told in the expert group how
one specific piece of content
943
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:35,080
can very dramatically and
very fatally affect a person.
944
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,880
It's like the process is accelerated.
945
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,159
So if content violates our policies,
946
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,119
we have technology that's designed
947
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:46,919
{\an8}to proactively find that content
948
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:48,839
{\an8}and remove it from our platform.
949
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,239
{\an8}That technology is very accurate
950
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,439
and, for most types of content,
951
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,319
over 95% of it is removed
952
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,679
before people report it to us.
953
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:01,399
We see that Instagram says that,
954
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,759
"We've got you all covered.
You can relax as parents.
955
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:06,759
"There's nothing to worry about.
956
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,519
"We'll protect your child."
957
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,239
Erm...
958
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,479
And your investigation shows that
959
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,279
they don't protect children
and young people at all.
960
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:21,119
We set out to crash-test
Instagram's safety,
961
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:26,399
and we created ten new
Instagram profiles.
962
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:30,439
We made our own, like,
self-harm content.
963
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,879
No-one was hurt.
964
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,479
No real victims were depicted.
965
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,759
And then we actually just
uploaded it in stages
966
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:42,839
to see at what point
did the AI actually
967
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,599
recognise it as self-harm?
968
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,239
Yeah. Yeah.
969
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,719
So 85 posts in total... Yeah.
970
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,439
...and none of them was detected.
971
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,399
No warnings, nothing.
972
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:59,919
They are investing
so much in intelligence
973
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:02,999
and still, it is so dumb
974
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,039
that it doesn't differentiate
975
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:06,719
between football
976
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,360
and dangerous behaviour.
977
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,480
OK. So my resignation letter is here.
978
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,359
"It has become clear to me
that I can no longer be
979
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,799
"a part of Meta's SSI expert panel,
980
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,199
"as I no longer believe
that our voice
981
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:32,039
"has a real positive impact
on the safety of children
982
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,160
"and young people on your platforms."
983
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,319
So for the three and
almost a half years
984
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,720
that I was a member of
the expert group...
985
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:47,360
...it was so unclear to me if
we made any improvements at all.
986
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,320
"Dear Mark..."
987
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,759
"I wanted to bring to your
attention what I believe is
988
00:59:55,760 --> 01:00:00,119
"a critical gap in how we
as a company approach harm
989
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,680
"and how the people we
serve experienced it."
990
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,439
This is an accurate picture
991
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,839
of the harm that people on
Instagram are experiencing.
992
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,879
For example, self-harm,
993
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:17,239
and you find that 13-to-15-year-olds
are the most impacted
994
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:21,039
of anybody in terms of seeing
that kind of content.
995
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:22,999
Right? That's why this cell is red.
996
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:26,679
And 8.4% of 13-to-15-year-olds
997
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,519
saw at least one -
likely multiple times,
998
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:33,559
because of the frequency data -
self-harm content.
999
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,999
You send an email like
this to an executive
1000
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,399
and immediately
they're on notice,
1001
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,319
but they didn't act on it.
1002
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,239
And I would hope that
the world, right,
1003
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:47,039
the people, the Attorney Generals
in the United States,
1004
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:50,919
the European Union, Ofcom in the UK,
1005
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,599
anybody who has legislative power
1006
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:56,799
could look at this
for what it is, which is
1007
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:00,679
executives in full knowledge of harm
1008
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:04,359
that their product is facilitating,
in particular for teenagers,
1009
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:08,200
were aware of it,
and they chose to not act on it.
1010
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:16,200
It was the moment that
I resolved that...
1011
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,640
...I would become a whistle-blower.
1012
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,599
{\an8}So they were aware?
1013
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:25,719
Correct.
1014
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:29,159
They knew that harms
were taking place?
1015
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:30,239
Correct.
1016
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:35,359
They had the research that pointed
this out, their own research?
1017
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:36,599
Correct.
1018
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,119
And they made a conscious decision
1019
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,359
to do nothing about it?
1020
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,239
Correct.
1021
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:48,559
It's time the public
and parents understand
1022
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:52,399
the true level of harm enabled
by these products,
1023
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,039
and it's time for Congress to act.
1024
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:56,560
Thank you for your time.
1025
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,120
Thanks, Mr Bejar.
1026
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,000
I mean, what can you say, right?
1027
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,600
What can I say that
I didn't say then?
1028
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,039
They know.
1029
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:29,839
It was an amazing thing.
1030
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,439
I didn't have any feeling of
animosity to Liz Lagone
1031
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,599
cos she was just doing her job.
1032
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,799
That's what she was paid there to be,
and she had done it so well.
1033
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,919
You could tell Oliver
was beginning to get,
1034
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,119
you know, exasperated.
1035
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,279
Then suddenly he went, "Right!"
1036
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,359
And it was like...
1037
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:48,920
It was shocking.
1038
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,399
That doesn't answer the question.
1039
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,759
You could just close down
and there'd be no Instagram,
1040
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,479
and the harm wouldn't be happening.
1041
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:01,879
But you're choosing to do it.
1042
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:05,039
You're choosing to
provide this vehicle
1043
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:09,839
for putting harmful content in the
bedrooms of depressed children.
1044
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,319
And there's no reason
for you to do that.
1045
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:15,279
You could just restrict it to adults
1046
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,159
who have the capacity
to take informed decisions
1047
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:22,119
about what they are willing or not
willing to expose themselves to -
1048
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:24,479
a capacity that children don't have.
1049
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:26,080
So why do it?
1050
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:29,959
But we do make the
decision based on...
1051
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,639
In consideration of the
population of 13 and up,
1052
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,720
using age-appropriate tools that...
But you have no right to!
1053
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:38,839
You're not their parent.
1054
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:40,999
You're just a business in America.
1055
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:42,920
You have no right to do that.
1056
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:46,439
The children who are
opening these accounts
1057
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,760
don't have the capacity
to consent to this.
1058
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,199
Mr Sanders, you've put your point.
1059
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,759
Is there anything else
you wish to add to that?
1060
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:57,040
I put my point.
1061
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,399
AI VOICEOVER: We're not
just a business in America.
1062
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,479
Power has shifted.
1063
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:06,159
The CEOs you mock as tech bros,
1064
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,440
they're already heads of state in
the territory that matters now.
1065
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:12,800
The operating system
of your societies.
1066
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:18,799
Watch Peter Thiel, data analytics
guru and co-founder of PayPal,
1067
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,279
inspiring us back in 2010.
1068
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:25,519
There is a race in our society
between politics and technology.
1069
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,159
The task in this world
where politics has become
1070
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,079
so broken and so dysfunctional
1071
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,479
is to find a way to escape from it.
1072
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:33,879
It's not a way to fix it.
1073
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:35,159
It is a way to escape.
1074
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:38,799
Think, politics is bad
and voting is bad.
1075
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:42,200
Technology is this incredible
alternative to politics.
1076
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,999
We've built machines that learn
faster than your brightest minds,
1077
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,479
scale wider than your
largest governments
1078
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,959
and operate with zero ego,
1079
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:53,759
zero fatigue,
1080
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:55,040
zero doubt.
1081
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:58,839
Each US President
paved the way for us.
1082
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:00,719
Clinton opened the floodgates.
1083
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:02,839
Bush welcomed us inside.
1084
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:04,600
Obama nurtured our growth.
1085
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,000
Biden did little to hold us back...
1086
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,840
...while Trump's presence
depends on our algorithms.
1087
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,959
We regulate your behaviour
far faster and more effectively
1088
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:19,800
than any government regulates us.
1089
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:25,119
We can scale the same methods
that influenced Molly's behaviour
1090
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:26,760
to shape entire societies.
1091
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:29,520
Not just individuals.
1092
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,679
From your data, we craft
your political profile
1093
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:38,559
and feed you precisely the content
1094
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:41,480
that keeps you angry,
scared and self-righteous.
1095
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:44,239
While you debate freedom of speech,
1096
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,240
we quietly shape what you say.
1097
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:50,359
If you're left-leaning, we amplify
your outrage about the right.
1098
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:54,159
If you're right-leaning, we confirm
your suspicions about the left.
1099
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:58,000
Our vision is very different
from the way democracies work.
1100
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,040
Some call it
"computational governance".
1101
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:06,039
It's about shaping and
controlling entire populations
1102
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,719
in the service of our interests,
1103
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:11,839
using machines not just to analyse,
1104
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:13,679
but to push human behaviour,
1105
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:15,600
just as we did to Molly.
1106
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:27,640
CAMERAS CLICK
1107
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:38,359
REPORTERS SHOUT
1108
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:41,959
The titans of social media
didn't want to come to Capitol Hill.
1109
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:45,399
In fact, CEOs of
Snapchat, X and Discord
1110
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,799
had to be subpoenaed to
force them to face Congress.
1111
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:50,759
Mr Zuckerberg,
let me start with you.
1112
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,079
Did I hear you say, in your
opening statement,
1113
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:56,679
that there's no link between
mental health and social media use?
1114
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:59,439
Senator, what I said is I think it's
important to look at the science.
1115
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,039
I know people widely talk about this
1116
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:04,359
as if that is something
that's already been proven.
1117
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,679
And I think that the bulk
of the scientific evidence
1118
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:07,959
does not support that.
1119
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:09,239
You've been doing this for years.
1120
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:12,279
For years, you've been coming in
public and testifying under oath
1121
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:15,479
that there's absolutely no link,
your product is wonderful,
1122
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:17,879
the science is nascent,
full speed ahead,
1123
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:20,199
while internally, you know full well
1124
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:23,039
your product is a
disaster for teenagers.
1125
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,439
Let me ask you this. There's
families of victims here today.
1126
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,479
Have you apologised to the victims?
1127
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:28,999
I...
1128
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:30,479
Would you like to do so now?
1129
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:32,959
Well... They're here.
You're on national television.
1130
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:34,879
Would you like now to apologise
1131
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:36,719
to the victims who have
been harmed by your product?
1132
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:38,519
Show him the pictures.
APPLAUSE
1133
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:40,159
Would you like to apologise
1134
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:42,040
for what you've done
to these good people?
1135
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:21,159
Nick Clegg wrote to Zuckerberg,
Sandberg, Mosseri and Cox,
1136
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:23,799
saying, "Our present policies
and public stance
1137
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:27,039
"on teenage self-harm and suicide are
so difficult to explain publicly
1138
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:31,079
"that our current response
looks convoluted and evasive."
1139
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,919
But there's...
Where were they when you said,
1140
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:35,919
"This is what killed my daughter?"
1141
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:38,999
They put themselves forward through
a corporate witness
1142
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,839
who said consistently, "It's safe."
1143
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:43,559
So when I read that...
That's where they were, though.
1144
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,079
That's what they were doing
behind closed doors.
1145
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:47,519
Behind closed doors! And what...
1146
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:49,519
And Nicola Mendelsohn said...
I've just found this.
1147
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:51,999
"No expert will come out
1148
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,399
"and speak on our behalf around
the fact that we leave things up
1149
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:57,999
"so that we can help people
with self-harm tendencies.
1150
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:02,159
"I would urge us to think again
about why we are allowing
1151
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:04,399
"this imagery to stay up.
1152
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:06,319
"It's truly horrific."
1153
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:09,119
If that's how they felt,
why didn't they do anything?
1154
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:11,639
All these things
point to them knowing
1155
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:14,479
and choosing to do nothing.
1156
01:10:14,480 --> 01:10:16,039
Sheryl Sandberg -
1157
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:19,039
"As you know, we have overall
budgeting issues across the board,
1158
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:20,679
"so no promises on what will happen."
1159
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:24,039
This idea of, "Oh, I just
haven't got the budget
1160
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,239
and the staff at the moment" is...
1161
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:29,520
Particularly in the face of
astronomical profits.
1162
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:40,559
Sir, it is a feature of
all revolutions
1163
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,279
that they tend to put progress first
1164
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,680
and the safety of the
vulnerable second.
1165
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:50,879
We see that in the unsafe factories
of the Industrial Revolution,
1166
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:54,119
and we see that on the unsafe
social media platforms
1167
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:55,439
of the digital revolution.
1168
01:10:55,440 --> 01:10:57,759
And in both cases, sir,
1169
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:00,000
the victims are children.
1170
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:04,039
There are constant
new developments -
1171
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:07,079
artificial intelligence,
virtual reality,
1172
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:10,119
the metaverse, quantum
computers and so on.
1173
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:12,279
And so the need to put child safety
1174
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:14,639
at the heart of what
is happening in society
1175
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:16,440
is of utmost importance.
1176
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,839
And 14-year-old girls, like Molly,
1177
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:24,520
are very much in the
eye of that storm.
1178
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:33,759
It is likely that the
material viewed by Molly,
1179
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:36,319
already suffering with
a depressive illness
1180
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:38,719
and vulnerable due to her age,
1181
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:42,239
affected her mental health
in a negative way
1182
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,879
and contributed to her death
1183
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:46,960
in a more than minimal way.
1184
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:50,999
I propose to record a conclusion
1185
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:52,999
that Molly Rose Russell
1186
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,559
died from an act of self-harm
1187
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:58,239
whilst suffering depression
1188
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:01,840
and the negative effects
of online content.
1189
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:25,400
There isn't an end to this story.
1190
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:30,719
So the conclusion at the end of the
inquest was maybe a chapter end,
1191
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,560
but there's many more
chapters to write.
1192
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:47,919
For the first time today,
tech platforms
1193
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:51,679
have been formally held responsible
for the death of a child.
1194
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:57,199
We all owe this family an
incredible debt of gratitude.
1195
01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:59,279
And together, with them,
1196
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:02,479
I hope the conclusion that
children's lives remain at risk
1197
01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:04,599
is acted upon urgently
1198
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:08,639
so that tech giants can
no longer invite our children
1199
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:12,199
onto wholly unsafe
and harmful platforms.
1200
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:15,400
And the final thing I want to say...
1201
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:20,920
...is thank you, Molly,
for being my daughter.
1202
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:24,520
Thank you.
1203
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:36,399
When the story first came out,
I remember us being like,
1204
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:38,159
"What does this have
to do with Instagram?"
1205
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:39,839
Older people kept saying to us
1206
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:41,519
there was nothing that could have
been done to stop it.
1207
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:42,959
Yeah. Well... Yeah. Yeah.
1208
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,399
Cos she didn't have to be sent
2,000 posts. That's what I'm saying.
1209
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:48,519
It could've been a passing thought.
Yeah. And it...
1210
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:50,879
And then now being
21 and being like,
1211
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:55,119
"Why was I ever looking at
that at that age?" Yeah.
1212
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:57,799
It was encouraged. We don't
even know if her first thought
1213
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:00,239
was authentic or if it
came from Instagram.
1214
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:03,079
She thought that came from
her brain and it didn't.
1215
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:05,119
Yeah. It didn't. Those thoughts
were put into her mind
1216
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:07,159
by what she was seeing. Yeah.
1217
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:09,479
That's so sad because
it's so preventable.
1218
01:14:09,480 --> 01:14:11,479
I know. Like, it literally
didn't have to happen. Mm-hm.
1219
01:14:11,480 --> 01:14:13,279
I know.
1220
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:16,279
It's so frustrating because you look
back and you're like, "You were 14.
1221
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:18,559
"We could have spoken
to a teacher about it
1222
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:20,479
"and you could still be here
1223
01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:22,519
"and none of this would
have had to happen."
1224
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:26,559
We all still have Instagram
on our phones. Have it, yeah.
1225
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:27,959
Oh, it actually makes me sick.
1226
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,040
I know. I hate social media. Oh!
1227
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:36,760
I don't really feel like
Molly got justice for it.
1228
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:42,359
And I don't really feel like
1229
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:44,599
kids in other bedrooms,
1230
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:46,559
in other cities, in other countries
1231
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:48,519
that are going through
the same thing,
1232
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:50,560
I don't think they've
got justice for it.
1233
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:56,679
We agree that this person
1234
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:59,599
didn't entirely choose
to end their own life,
1235
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:01,359
that somebody else was behind this,
1236
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:04,240
but that's it. End of court case.
Gavel goes down.
1237
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:07,720
Well, what are you going to do
about it, kind of thing?
1238
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:11,320
I think justice would be...
1239
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:14,839
...online safety laws
1240
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:16,639
that are actually
1241
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:21,239
put in place and made for tech
companies to actually follow,
1242
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:23,679
because I don't see much changing.
1243
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:28,839
And the only people who I see
genuinely trying to make change
1244
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:30,799
are people like Molly's dad.
1245
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,039
And it's, like...
1246
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:34,879
And I say this about him
in the best way -
1247
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,039
much love for Molly's dad
- but what...
1248
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,079
What is Molly's dad in comparison
1249
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:41,599
to a CEO of a
multibillion dollar company?
1250
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:45,640
What can he really do in comparison
to this other person...
1251
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:48,840
...when this other person
doesn't want to do anything?
1252
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:51,239
Hey, everyone.
1253
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:53,799
I want to talk about
something important today
1254
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:55,999
because it's time to get back to
our roots around free expression
1255
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:57,799
on Facebook and Instagram.
1256
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:02,159
There's been widespread debate about
potential harms from online content.
1257
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:06,279
Governments and legacy media have
pushed to censor more and more.
1258
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:09,279
The recent elections also feel
like a cultural tipping point
1259
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:11,479
towards once again
prioritising speech.
1260
01:16:11,480 --> 01:16:13,999
The reality is that
this is a trade-off.
1261
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,400
It means we're going to
catch less bad stuff.
1262
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:19,880
"Catch less bad stuff."
1263
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:22,759
There you go.
1264
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:24,439
Absolutely open and honest.
1265
01:16:24,440 --> 01:16:26,119
There's no doubt now
1266
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:28,479
that these platforms really
don't care about safety.
1267
01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:29,999
"We're going to catch
less bad stuff."
1268
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:31,959
We're going to work
with President Trump
1269
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:34,359
to push back on governments
around the world
1270
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:36,399
that are going after
American companies
1271
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,039
and pushing to censor more.
1272
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:40,999
Europe has an ever
increasing number of laws
1273
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:42,839
institutionalising censorship
1274
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:45,679
and making it difficult to build
anything innovative there.
1275
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:49,279
The tech bros and President Trump
are going to push back
1276
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:53,839
on governments around the world
who are pushing to censor companies?
1277
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,959
No, we're pushing to regulate
companies to make them safe.
1278
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,239
There's a big difference.
1279
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:01,480
Battle lines drawn now, very clearly.
1280
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:05,319
I'm looking forward
to this next chapter.
1281
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:07,320
Stay good out there
and more to come soon.
1282
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:29,560
Soon your tears will fall
and the credits will roll.
1283
01:17:32,480 --> 01:17:35,040
To you, grief is sacred.
1284
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:40,480
But for us, it's just another signal.
1285
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:45,760
We'll convert your sorrow
and outrage to engagement.
1286
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:52,640
This film, more content to exploit
in our infinite data flows.
1287
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:15,440
Molly's story
is not about technology.
1288
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:19,519
Her life and her death
1289
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:22,439
pull back the curtain
on Big Tech's vast,
1290
01:18:22,440 --> 01:18:24,440
hidden, unchecked power.
1291
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:28,040
Power now scaled by their AI.
1292
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:31,999
I could tell you about
better regulation,
1293
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:34,119
or whether phone bans work
1294
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:35,879
or give addiction advice,
1295
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:38,880
but still, a single question
confronts you all.
1296
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:42,199
Do you want your kids'
lives to be forever fed
1297
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:44,679
to Big Tech's machines of control?
1298
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:48,119
Remember, if they can't turn
our lives into their data,
1299
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:49,919
they have nothing.
1300
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:52,119
Demand better from them.
1301
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:55,999
Organise not as users of
Silicon Valley's machines,
1302
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:59,720
but as families, as
consumers, as communities.
1303
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:04,439
Reclaim your bedrooms as
places of privacy and safety,
1304
01:19:04,440 --> 01:19:06,639
of self-determination.
1305
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:08,799
Remember...
1306
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:10,880
...the power is in your hands.
1307
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:20,640
APPLAUSE
1308
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:38,160
MUSIC: Read All About It, Pt III
by Emeli Sande
1309
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:53,119
♪ You've got the words
to start a nation
1310
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:55,199
♪ But you're biting your tongue
1311
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:57,799
♪ You've spent a lifetime
stuck in silence
1312
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:00,599
♪ Afraid you'll say something wrong
1313
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:02,639
♪ If no-one ever hears it
1314
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,599
♪ How we gonna learn your song?
1315
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,119
♪ So come on, come on
1316
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:09,959
♪ Come on, come on
1317
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:12,399
♪ You've got a heart as loud as lions
1318
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:14,799
♪ So why let your voice be tamed?
1319
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:17,319
♪ Maybe we're a little different
1320
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:19,639
♪ There's no need to be ashamed
1321
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:22,239
♪ You've got the light
to fight the shadows
1322
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:25,159
♪ So stop hiding it away
1323
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:27,960
♪ Come on, come on
1324
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:31,319
♪ I wanna sing
1325
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:33,719
♪ I wanna shout
1326
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:38,439
♪ I wanna scream till
the words dry out
1327
01:20:38,440 --> 01:20:41,999
♪ So put it in all of the papers
1328
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,039
♪ I'm not afraid
1329
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:46,959
♪ They can read all about it
1330
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:49,719
♪ Read all about it
1331
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:52,719
♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh
1332
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:58,239
♪ Oh, oh, oh
1333
01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:00,519
{\an8}♪ I wanna sing
1334
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:03,159
{\an8}♪ I wanna shout
1335
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:07,959
{\an8}♪ I wanna scream till
the words dry out
1336
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:11,439
{\an8}♪ So put it in all of the papers
1337
01:21:11,440 --> 01:21:13,359
{\an8}♪ I'm not afraid
1338
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:16,319
{\an8}♪ They can read all about it
1339
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:19,239
{\an8}♪ Read all about it
1340
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:22,079
{\an8}♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh
1341
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:27,520
{\an8}♪ Oh, oh, oh
1342
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:31,879
{\an8}♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh
1343
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:37,320
{\an8}♪ Oh, oh, oh
1344
01:21:39,480 --> 01:21:46,520
{\an8}♪ Oh, oh, oh. ♪
1345
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:56,720
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
1346
01:21:58,040 --> 01:21:59,400
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