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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,467 --> 00:00:02,500 [Josh reading] 2 00:00:10,700 --> 00:00:13,000 ["We wish you a merry Christmas" music playing] 3 00:00:23,166 --> 00:00:27,266 The story of Santa is one we think we all know. 4 00:00:27,266 --> 00:00:29,000 But where did it come from? 5 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,467 This legend that glows long before Santa 6 00:00:32,467 --> 00:00:34,367 and Saint Nick were the same. 7 00:00:34,367 --> 00:00:37,867 It was Nick, a mere mortal who started the flame. 8 00:00:37,867 --> 00:00:39,667 So who was this guy, 9 00:00:39,667 --> 00:00:41,567 the first man with the sack? 10 00:00:41,567 --> 00:00:45,800 To discover the answers we need to go back. 11 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:47,700 ["Carol of the Bells" music playing] 12 00:00:49,767 --> 00:00:53,867 [Josh] Almost 2000 years to a pre Santa time 13 00:00:53,867 --> 00:00:55,700 when Nick was a bishop. 14 00:00:55,700 --> 00:00:57,667 In his miracle Prime. 15 00:00:57,667 --> 00:01:00,467 It said he saved a poor family, 16 00:01:00,467 --> 00:01:01,634 by giving them gold. 17 00:01:01,634 --> 00:01:06,200 And rescued those drowning from an ocean so cold. 18 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,000 Did he resurrect children who were pickled and dead. 19 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,266 Or invade the dreams of the emperor 20 00:01:12,266 --> 00:01:14,400 to dance in his head. 21 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,967 His life also holds answers to mysteries we share, 22 00:01:17,967 --> 00:01:19,867 like leaving gifts out of sight 23 00:01:19,867 --> 00:01:22,300 or hanging stockings with care. 24 00:01:23,100 --> 00:01:24,800 To unravel the legends. 25 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,166 Saint Nick left clues behind. 26 00:01:27,166 --> 00:01:30,166 His body was buried forever enshrined. 27 00:01:30,166 --> 00:01:32,400 But there's a twist in the tale 28 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,467 that leads us back to today. 29 00:01:34,467 --> 00:01:39,367 You see, his tomb was invaded, his bones spirited away. 30 00:01:39,367 --> 00:01:41,266 His grave was robbed twice. 31 00:01:41,266 --> 00:01:42,133 Believe it or not. 32 00:01:42,133 --> 00:01:45,867 And his final location is argued a lot. 33 00:01:45,867 --> 00:01:50,700 Some say he's in Bari or is it in Venice he rests. 34 00:01:50,700 --> 00:01:53,333 One guy is convinced that he's in the Midwest. 35 00:01:54,500 --> 00:01:56,600 Can his bones be examined? 36 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,700 Can we help crack the case? 37 00:01:58,700 --> 00:02:02,867 And could DNA finally give Santa a face? 38 00:02:02,867 --> 00:02:06,166 The search for Saint Nick and his bones is my mission. 39 00:02:06,166 --> 00:02:07,800 So let's find the fellow 40 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,500 behind our Christmas traditions. 41 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,767 [narrator] The past is all around us. 42 00:02:16,767 --> 00:02:19,000 Oh this is crazy. 43 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,433 [narrator] A world of mystery. 44 00:02:21,166 --> 00:02:22,000 -[Josh] This is a plane. -[man] Yeah. 45 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,367 Ha-ha! 46 00:02:23,367 --> 00:02:24,367 [narrator] Danger. 47 00:02:24,367 --> 00:02:26,066 We are about to be underwater. 48 00:02:26,066 --> 00:02:27,000 Whoa! 49 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:29,700 [narrator] And adventure. 50 00:02:31,867 --> 00:02:33,400 [Josh] It's just straight down. 51 00:02:34,567 --> 00:02:36,634 [gasping] 52 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,867 [Josh] I travel to the far corners of the earth 53 00:02:40,867 --> 00:02:42,767 to uncover where legends end. 54 00:02:42,767 --> 00:02:44,200 [shouting, laughs] 55 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:45,867 And history begins. 56 00:02:45,867 --> 00:02:46,700 Let's punch it. 57 00:02:47,767 --> 00:02:48,967 I'm Josh Gates, 58 00:02:48,967 --> 00:02:50,367 and this is... 59 00:02:50,367 --> 00:02:52,000 [Josh reading] 60 00:03:00,500 --> 00:03:02,500 If you were to close your eyes 61 00:03:02,500 --> 00:03:05,000 and summon the world of Santa Claus, 62 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,600 You'd almost certainly picture yourself 63 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,166 standing on freshly fallen snow at the North Pole. 64 00:03:10,166 --> 00:03:12,600 And not well here 65 00:03:17,667 --> 00:03:19,667 But it turns out the legend of Santa 66 00:03:19,667 --> 00:03:22,166 or Noel Baba, as he's known in these parts, 67 00:03:22,166 --> 00:03:25,867 begins nearly 4000 miles from Santa's workshop. 68 00:03:25,867 --> 00:03:28,300 Here on the edge of the Mediterranean. 69 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:29,500 Welcome 70 00:03:29,700 --> 00:03:31,000 to Turkey. 71 00:03:36,900 --> 00:03:39,600 This rugged spit of land in the Mediterranean Sea 72 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,400 is Gemiler Island, the place of boats. 73 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,200 It is said that sailors stopped here 74 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,133 for divine blessing on their way to the Holy Land. 75 00:03:48,100 --> 00:03:50,400 But it is also known as Saint Nicholas Island. 76 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,800 And that's because about 1700 years ago, 77 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,867 a famous bishop by that name 78 00:03:54,867 --> 00:03:57,300 was reportedly laid to rest here. 79 00:03:58,266 --> 00:03:59,967 The centuries old rumor says 80 00:03:59,967 --> 00:04:01,767 that this long abandoned church, 81 00:04:01,767 --> 00:04:05,266 still sporting a set of stunning mosaic floors, 82 00:04:05,266 --> 00:04:07,467 is the original burial place of the man, 83 00:04:07,467 --> 00:04:09,800 who would eventually become Santa. 84 00:04:10,367 --> 00:04:12,500 There's just one small issue. 85 00:04:12,500 --> 00:04:14,867 There is absolutely no physical evidence 86 00:04:14,867 --> 00:04:16,800 that he was ever interred here. 87 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:18,100 And this is the problem 88 00:04:18,100 --> 00:04:19,900 with the historical Saint Nick. 89 00:04:19,900 --> 00:04:22,266 He's intertwined with the world's most 90 00:04:22,266 --> 00:04:24,300 heartwarming holiday legend. 91 00:04:24,300 --> 00:04:27,700 So to find the man behind the man in the red suit, 92 00:04:27,700 --> 00:04:30,767 we have to follow a very faint trail. 93 00:04:30,767 --> 00:04:32,700 One that leads to the mainland. 94 00:04:36,467 --> 00:04:38,867 My Christmas wish comes true in the form of a lift 95 00:04:38,867 --> 00:04:40,400 from some local fishermen. 96 00:04:42,667 --> 00:04:45,166 From here, it's a trip along the rugged coast 97 00:04:45,166 --> 00:04:46,600 and through the mountains. 98 00:04:47,266 --> 00:04:49,367 To the historic town of Myra, 99 00:04:49,367 --> 00:04:51,667 home to the haunting cliff cut tombs 100 00:04:51,667 --> 00:04:54,967 from when this was a region known as Lycia. 101 00:04:54,967 --> 00:04:57,266 It was near here that a boy was born 102 00:04:57,266 --> 00:04:59,867 two well off Greek Christian parents, 103 00:04:59,867 --> 00:05:01,667 At that time, being Christian 104 00:05:01,667 --> 00:05:04,200 was a dangerous, even fatal calling 105 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,000 because the religion was forbidden 106 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:07,934 by law in the Roman Empire. 107 00:05:10,900 --> 00:05:13,600 This ancient city was clearly constructed 108 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,700 at a time of pagan gods 109 00:05:15,700 --> 00:05:17,600 with temples to Artemis 110 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,567 and a soaring Greek theater built to sing 111 00:05:20,567 --> 00:05:22,500 the praises of many deities, 112 00:05:22,500 --> 00:05:23,800 But all that changes 113 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,800 when Constantine becomes emperor in 306 114 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,867 and the Roman Empire embraces Christianity. 115 00:05:29,867 --> 00:05:31,467 Suddenly, in the middle of his life, 116 00:05:31,467 --> 00:05:34,634 a man named Nicholas is free to preach. 117 00:05:35,667 --> 00:05:39,100 To learn how a simple priest became a global phenomenon. 118 00:05:39,100 --> 00:05:43,200 I'm meeting author and Saint Nicholas biographer Jeremy Seal. 119 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:44,266 Nice to meet you. 120 00:05:44,266 --> 00:05:45,233 [Jeremy] Nice to meet you too. 121 00:05:45,233 --> 00:05:46,767 [Josh] And I take it from walking around here 122 00:05:46,767 --> 00:05:48,567 that this was once a pretty bustling place? 123 00:05:48,567 --> 00:05:49,600 [Jeremy] Yeah, an important place, 124 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,700 connected by its port at Andriaki, 125 00:05:51,700 --> 00:05:54,266 just down the road to all the big cities of the period. 126 00:05:54,266 --> 00:05:56,867 So we're talking about Alexandria to the South, 127 00:05:56,867 --> 00:05:58,300 Jerusalem to the south, 128 00:05:58,300 --> 00:06:00,667 and then north to Rome, Constantinople-- 129 00:06:00,667 --> 00:06:02,367 -The North Pole -[Jeremy] And indeed the North Pole. 130 00:06:02,367 --> 00:06:03,767 -We won't forget that. -Absolutely. 131 00:06:03,767 --> 00:06:05,066 Which brings us to Saint Nicholas. 132 00:06:05,066 --> 00:06:06,000 Indeed it does. 133 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,266 You wrote the book on him? 134 00:06:07,266 --> 00:06:08,467 -I did, indeed. -[Josh] Literally. 135 00:06:08,467 --> 00:06:09,567 [Jeremy] Yes, literally. 136 00:06:09,567 --> 00:06:10,567 [Josh] I have a lot of questions. 137 00:06:10,567 --> 00:06:11,867 -And so you should have. Yeah. -[Josh] Yeah. 138 00:06:11,867 --> 00:06:15,467 First of all, I can't find much biographical information 139 00:06:15,467 --> 00:06:17,066 for him from when he was alive. 140 00:06:17,066 --> 00:06:18,567 Nothing at all. To be honest with you. 141 00:06:18,567 --> 00:06:20,166 -[Josh] Yeah. -And the earliest references 142 00:06:20,166 --> 00:06:23,867 that we can rely upon really from a couple of hundred years later. 143 00:06:23,867 --> 00:06:26,400 [Josh] Those accounts suggest that a young Nicholas 144 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:27,800 lived a quiet life. 145 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,266 Until Christianity is embraced by the Roman Empire. 146 00:06:31,266 --> 00:06:35,400 And it seems like when that happens, his life takes off. 147 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,867 Yeah, I mean, he becomes at a very early age 148 00:06:38,867 --> 00:06:40,600 the bishop here at Myra. 149 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,266 So suddenly he's catapulted to prominence. 150 00:06:44,266 --> 00:06:46,266 [Josh] It is said that he distributes his parents 151 00:06:46,266 --> 00:06:49,166 considerable wealth to the poor and becomes 152 00:06:49,166 --> 00:06:51,867 a zealous advocate for Christianity. 153 00:06:51,867 --> 00:06:53,900 Time passes and an older Nicolas 154 00:06:53,900 --> 00:06:56,400 attends the famed Council of Nicaea 155 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,066 in the year 325, 156 00:06:58,066 --> 00:07:01,900 where bishops come to debate the nature of the Holy Trinity. 157 00:07:01,900 --> 00:07:05,667 When one bishop suggests that Jesus was not equal to God, 158 00:07:05,667 --> 00:07:08,367 Nicholas physically assaults the delegates. 159 00:07:08,367 --> 00:07:10,567 So Nicholas is the person who stands up. 160 00:07:10,567 --> 00:07:12,900 slaps him down, and because of that-- 161 00:07:12,900 --> 00:07:14,166 Sorry, literal-- literally slaps? 162 00:07:14,166 --> 00:07:16,300 Literally slaps him. Slaps him around the face. 163 00:07:16,300 --> 00:07:17,500 It is so said. 164 00:07:17,500 --> 00:07:20,066 And because of that, ends up spending some time in prison. 165 00:07:20,066 --> 00:07:22,667 So he's a man who clearly stands for his principles, 166 00:07:22,667 --> 00:07:23,634 he knows what he thinks. 167 00:07:23,634 --> 00:07:25,300 I think we can certainly say that much of him. 168 00:07:25,300 --> 00:07:26,166 Santa means business. 169 00:07:26,166 --> 00:07:27,033 [Jeremy] Indeed he does. 170 00:07:27,033 --> 00:07:28,000 -Right. -[Jeremy] Indeed he does. Yes. 171 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,600 And then we get all of these story... 172 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,567 -Yeah. -...about his miracles. 173 00:07:32,567 --> 00:07:35,000 -[Jeremy] Yeah. -And there are a lot of these stories 174 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:35,800 Exceptionally so. 175 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,367 One of which actually might connect 176 00:07:38,367 --> 00:07:40,500 to how you celebrate Christmas today. 177 00:07:40,500 --> 00:07:41,667 -Really? Okay. -[Jeremy] Yeah. 178 00:07:41,667 --> 00:07:43,300 The story is called The Three Daughters. 179 00:07:43,300 --> 00:07:47,266 [Josh] The story goes that an impoverished nobleman lacks the dowry with which 180 00:07:47,266 --> 00:07:49,100 to marry off his three daughters. 181 00:07:49,100 --> 00:07:53,400 And in desperation, considers selling them into prostitution. 182 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,500 Until Nicholas miraculously intervenes, 183 00:07:56,500 --> 00:07:58,266 dropping three bags of gold 184 00:07:58,266 --> 00:08:00,266 through the family's open window. 185 00:08:00,266 --> 00:08:03,000 Giving them an anonymous present. 186 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,266 So this worldwide cultural tradition 187 00:08:05,266 --> 00:08:07,500 now of giving gifts on Christmas night... 188 00:08:07,500 --> 00:08:08,500 Yeah. 189 00:08:08,500 --> 00:08:12,400 Comes from this man trying to save three women 190 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:13,767 from a life of desperation. 191 00:08:13,767 --> 00:08:15,867 Believe it or not, it does. 192 00:08:15,867 --> 00:08:16,900 But hold on to your hat 193 00:08:16,900 --> 00:08:19,166 -because it gets even crazier than that. -Okay. 194 00:08:19,166 --> 00:08:20,800 [Jeremy] In the version that I've told you, 195 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,000 he gives the gifts through the window, 196 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:28,667 but there is a moment in the 1300s when that changes. 197 00:08:28,667 --> 00:08:32,667 Where Sir Nicholas is not putting 198 00:08:32,667 --> 00:08:34,367 the bags of gold through a window, 199 00:08:34,367 --> 00:08:37,100 but he's actually dropping them down a chimney. 200 00:08:38,100 --> 00:08:39,467 That's it. We just solved Christmas. 201 00:08:39,467 --> 00:08:41,367 -We can go-- We can go back for Christmas now. -We can go home now 202 00:08:41,367 --> 00:08:42,266 Exactly. Yeah 203 00:08:42,266 --> 00:08:43,767 And there are lots of elements like that. 204 00:08:43,767 --> 00:08:45,266 You think about the Christmas story 205 00:08:45,266 --> 00:08:47,266 and in fact, you can trace all of them 206 00:08:47,266 --> 00:08:48,367 to at some point, 207 00:08:48,367 --> 00:08:49,467 as this story kind of develops 208 00:08:49,467 --> 00:08:52,667 -and changes and shifts over the centuries. -Right. 209 00:08:52,667 --> 00:08:55,266 One of the elements, of course, is the idea of stockings. 210 00:08:55,266 --> 00:08:57,867 And I think that goes back to shoes. 211 00:08:57,867 --> 00:09:00,667 [Josh] In some tellings of the story of The Three Daughters, 212 00:09:00,667 --> 00:09:03,467 the gold coins land in one of the girl's shoes 213 00:09:03,467 --> 00:09:06,667 or even in their laundered socks drying by the fire. 214 00:09:06,667 --> 00:09:11,000 Which eventually become stockings hung by the chimney with care. 215 00:09:11,300 --> 00:09:12,300 An incredible story. 216 00:09:12,300 --> 00:09:14,700 This is just one of a huge number of stories 217 00:09:14,700 --> 00:09:15,734 associated with Nicholas, 218 00:09:15,734 --> 00:09:18,667 which take very different approaches to the man. 219 00:09:18,667 --> 00:09:21,400 Right. There are a lot of stories about him that involve miracles. 220 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,200 There are, indeed, you've got stories, 221 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:27,100 particularly about his role as a protector of sailors. 222 00:09:27,100 --> 00:09:29,600 [Josh] As paganism gave way to Christianity, 223 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,400 the functions of the old gods 224 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,667 were adopted by patron saints. 225 00:09:33,667 --> 00:09:37,000 And Nicolas got one of the sweetest gigs in Christendom. 226 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,500 As the patron saint of those at sea, 227 00:09:39,500 --> 00:09:43,767 with stories of him miraculously saving drowning fishermen. 228 00:09:43,767 --> 00:09:46,367 And that probably helps his story spread even further. 229 00:09:46,367 --> 00:09:47,600 I think so. It's kind of viral 230 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,266 because they go out in the world, of course, and they talk. 231 00:09:50,266 --> 00:09:52,667 Sailors are the ones that initiate this telephone game. 232 00:09:52,667 --> 00:09:53,767 That's what makes them go viral. 233 00:09:53,767 --> 00:09:55,667 -Indeed. Exactly, exactly. -Going all over the world. 234 00:09:55,667 --> 00:09:56,567 -Exactly. -Incredible. 235 00:09:56,567 --> 00:09:57,900 That is why, if you look at the map now, 236 00:09:57,900 --> 00:10:02,367 you will see Saint Nicholas attached to capes, headlands, 237 00:10:02,367 --> 00:10:04,767 ports, churches and churches and ports 238 00:10:04,767 --> 00:10:06,266 all over the Christian world. 239 00:10:06,266 --> 00:10:08,266 That's incredible. 240 00:10:08,266 --> 00:10:10,200 [Josh] Saint Nicholas, though, isn't just remembered 241 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,500 as miraculously protecting fishermen. 242 00:10:12,500 --> 00:10:15,000 His resume is much broader than that. 243 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:19,166 There's a story that he casts a demon out of a tree, as one does 244 00:10:19,166 --> 00:10:22,166 and that he somehow resurrects three dead boys 245 00:10:22,166 --> 00:10:25,567 who were murdered and pickled in a barrel. 246 00:10:25,567 --> 00:10:27,700 -[Jeremy] He resurrects-- -[Josh] He resurrects these pickled boys? 247 00:10:27,700 --> 00:10:29,867 [Jeremy] These pickled boys who are lying in a barrel. 248 00:10:29,867 --> 00:10:32,100 And hey, here's the thing about the barrel, 249 00:10:32,100 --> 00:10:34,600 the visual representation of the barrel, 250 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,667 comes to the notice of brewers, 251 00:10:36,667 --> 00:10:39,200 who, because of that made Saint Nicholas 252 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:40,867 the patron Saint of brewing. 253 00:10:40,867 --> 00:10:42,967 [Josh] So because he's supposed to reanimate 254 00:10:42,967 --> 00:10:44,767 three dead pickled boys... 255 00:10:44,767 --> 00:10:46,000 -[Jeremy] From a barrel. -[Josh] ...from a barrel from a barrel... 256 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,367 -[Jeremy] Importantly. Yeah. -...he becomes the patron saint 257 00:10:48,367 --> 00:10:49,367 of beermakers? 258 00:10:49,367 --> 00:10:50,200 Exactly that. 259 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,266 And because he looks after children, 260 00:10:52,266 --> 00:10:54,200 he becomes the patron saint of children. 261 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:55,567 Who else is he the patron saint of? 262 00:10:55,567 --> 00:10:56,900 Because of the three daughters, 263 00:10:56,900 --> 00:10:59,000 He's the patron saint of unmarried people. 264 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,867 And actually prostitutes. 265 00:11:00,867 --> 00:11:05,367 Not to mention, wrongly imprisoned criminals and perfumers. 266 00:11:05,367 --> 00:11:06,900 -People who make perfume? -[Jeremy] That's it. 267 00:11:06,900 --> 00:11:08,567 -Sure. -[Jeremy] Yeah. 268 00:11:08,567 --> 00:11:09,800 [Josh] This is what makes him unique. 269 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,467 He's like a saint for all seasons. 270 00:11:11,467 --> 00:11:12,934 [Jeremy] Exactly. 271 00:11:12,934 --> 00:11:16,367 He's like a blotting paper, and all these ideas basically bleed into it. 272 00:11:16,367 --> 00:11:19,767 Amazing. So how do we unravel the mysteries of who he really was 273 00:11:19,767 --> 00:11:21,767 and where he physically ended up? 274 00:11:21,767 --> 00:11:24,166 Well, it's kind of like any good police case. 275 00:11:24,166 --> 00:11:25,767 And as in any good police case, 276 00:11:25,767 --> 00:11:27,033 you've got to start with the body. 277 00:11:27,467 --> 00:11:28,900 Okay. Where's the body? 278 00:11:28,900 --> 00:11:30,133 Come with me. 279 00:11:31,767 --> 00:11:33,266 [Josh] Jeremy leads me beyond the ruins 280 00:11:33,266 --> 00:11:36,000 to a palatial house of worship. 281 00:11:37,500 --> 00:11:38,533 Wow. 282 00:11:46,667 --> 00:11:48,667 What a stunning space. 283 00:11:48,667 --> 00:11:49,800 This is amazing. 284 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,467 Welcome to the Church of Saint Nicholas in Myra, Josh. 285 00:11:52,467 --> 00:11:54,400 It's a very, very important place, 286 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,400 very important in the Christian story. 287 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,166 Very important in Saint Nicholas story. 288 00:11:58,166 --> 00:11:59,867 When does all of this date from? 289 00:11:59,867 --> 00:12:04,567 Well, Saint Nicholas dies in about 340 AD. 290 00:12:04,567 --> 00:12:06,400 -Okay. -[Jeremy] He's born in 270, 291 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,700 so we take him to be about 70 years old 292 00:12:08,700 --> 00:12:12,000 and we assume that there would have been a church here. 293 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,600 Uh, for which he was the bishop. 294 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,100 -So he would have been ministering here. -[Jeremy] Indeed. 295 00:12:16,100 --> 00:12:19,567 [Josh] After his death, the church becomes a shrine. 296 00:12:19,567 --> 00:12:22,767 Today everywhere you look, there's iconography. 297 00:12:22,767 --> 00:12:26,667 Including frescoes depicting Nick's divine interventions 298 00:12:26,667 --> 00:12:28,867 And according to historic sources, 299 00:12:28,867 --> 00:12:31,467 Nick was buried inside the church. 300 00:12:31,467 --> 00:12:34,100 Making this building an important pilgrimage site. 301 00:12:34,100 --> 00:12:36,200 And all of this grand architecture 302 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:37,667 that gets built up over time. 303 00:12:37,667 --> 00:12:39,467 It's not just because Saint Nicholas 304 00:12:39,467 --> 00:12:40,634 was a bishop here, right? 305 00:12:40,634 --> 00:12:42,667 -[Jeremy] No, it's because he was buried here. -Right. 306 00:12:42,667 --> 00:12:45,533 So now what should be a simple follow up question? 307 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:46,867 Where is he? 308 00:12:46,867 --> 00:12:49,867 So there have been recent excavations right here. 309 00:12:49,867 --> 00:12:53,166 And while they did get down to earlier levels of the church 310 00:12:53,166 --> 00:12:54,667 and they found some beautiful mosaics, 311 00:12:54,667 --> 00:12:56,800 for example, they did not find a crypt. 312 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:58,800 So if he wasn't buried right here, 313 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:00,100 where was he buried? 314 00:13:00,100 --> 00:13:02,767 -Well, let me show you where the pilgrims go. -[Josh] Sure. 315 00:13:02,767 --> 00:13:04,600 Let's follow the pilgrims, please. 316 00:13:10,667 --> 00:13:14,367 So here we are, Josh, the popularly 317 00:13:14,367 --> 00:13:17,400 accepted sarcophagus of Saint Nicholas. 318 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,000 [Josh] Okay. And we do have this 319 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,700 really a grand, ornate marble sarcophagus here-- 320 00:13:22,700 --> 00:13:23,567 From the right period. 321 00:13:23,567 --> 00:13:24,834 -From the right period? -[Jeremy] Yeah. 322 00:13:24,834 --> 00:13:29,400 Okay. Now I can't help but notice one glaring problem. 323 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,700 It does appear to be slightly broken into. 324 00:13:31,700 --> 00:13:34,367 Yeah, the front is missing, so it's worth saying, 325 00:13:34,367 --> 00:13:36,200 that even though Saint Nicholas 326 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,100 was buried somewhere in this church. 327 00:13:38,100 --> 00:13:40,567 He's not here now, and that is because 328 00:13:40,567 --> 00:13:43,600 the bones of Saint Nicholas were stolen. 329 00:13:43,867 --> 00:13:44,800 I'm sorry. 330 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,100 Santa's bones are missing. 331 00:13:46,100 --> 00:13:47,634 They are indeed missing. 332 00:13:53,300 --> 00:13:54,767 Santa's bones are missing? 333 00:13:54,767 --> 00:13:56,300 They are indeed missing. 334 00:13:56,300 --> 00:13:58,166 [Josh] I'm with historian Jeremy Seal 335 00:13:58,166 --> 00:14:01,500 in the ancient ruins of Myra in modern day Turkey. 336 00:14:01,500 --> 00:14:04,166 We're learning about the true story of Saint Nicholas. 337 00:14:04,166 --> 00:14:06,300 The historical bishop who inspired 338 00:14:06,300 --> 00:14:08,600 the legendary Santa Claus 339 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,767 here in the church that was once his tomb. 340 00:14:10,767 --> 00:14:12,467 There's only one thing missing. 341 00:14:12,467 --> 00:14:15,500 The remains of Saint Nicholas himself. 342 00:14:15,500 --> 00:14:17,767 They were taken by a group of sailors 343 00:14:17,767 --> 00:14:19,700 from the city of Bari in Italy. 344 00:14:19,700 --> 00:14:20,667 Okay. 345 00:14:20,667 --> 00:14:22,900 The Italians, like all Christian sailors, 346 00:14:22,900 --> 00:14:24,567 were fond of their patron saint, 347 00:14:24,567 --> 00:14:26,300 and decided to steal him. 348 00:14:27,767 --> 00:14:30,867 It's not exactly Danny Ocean at the Bellagio, either. 349 00:14:30,867 --> 00:14:34,066 They smash open the tomb and take the remains. 350 00:14:34,066 --> 00:14:37,600 One sailor named Mateo even jumps into the crypt. 351 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,700 Crushing a few of the smaller bones under his feet. 352 00:14:41,166 --> 00:14:42,900 The rest sailed triumphantly 353 00:14:42,900 --> 00:14:46,200 with the [clears throat] skeleton crew, back to Bari. 354 00:14:46,967 --> 00:14:49,000 [Jeremy] The account is very well attested 355 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,166 by a well respected scribe called Nicephorus. 356 00:14:52,166 --> 00:14:55,200 Who writes in great detail about what happened. 357 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,767 He describes it as a great triumph for the sailors. 358 00:14:58,767 --> 00:15:00,700 Why? Why do this? 359 00:15:00,700 --> 00:15:02,600 There's probably a few reasons. 360 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,700 The main one, of course, is that relics. 361 00:15:04,700 --> 00:15:08,567 in this period are very highly regarded. 362 00:15:08,567 --> 00:15:10,667 [Josh] The word "relic" this case means 363 00:15:10,667 --> 00:15:13,166 pieces of actual human remains. 364 00:15:13,166 --> 00:15:14,600 In the time of the Crusades, 365 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,500 the relics of a Catholic Saint, 366 00:15:16,500 --> 00:15:20,467 would be a major draw for pilgrims and other tourists. 367 00:15:20,467 --> 00:15:22,000 We have Santa's village. 368 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,000 They had Santa's bones. 369 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,000 So if this all did happen, is this our sarcophagus? 370 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,000 Is this the one that the sailors from Bari broke into? 371 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,700 It's tempting to think that 372 00:15:31,700 --> 00:15:33,800 but I don't think so. Have a look at it. 373 00:15:34,967 --> 00:15:37,000 The first thing you notice on the top 374 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,600 is that there are two now beheaded figures 375 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,767 which suggest it must have been the sarcophagus of a couple. 376 00:15:42,767 --> 00:15:44,567 -So, Mrs. Claus? -[Jeremy chuckles] Yeah, very good. 377 00:15:44,567 --> 00:15:45,500 Very good. 378 00:15:45,500 --> 00:15:47,567 The thing is that actually Saint Nicholas 379 00:15:47,567 --> 00:15:49,867 was famously celibate and single. 380 00:15:49,867 --> 00:15:51,266 Sure. Of course. 381 00:15:51,266 --> 00:15:55,000 The second one, is that the accounts describe 382 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,100 the sailors breaking in from the top. 383 00:15:57,100 --> 00:15:59,667 It's a vault, based in the floor, 384 00:15:59,667 --> 00:16:03,266 and this clearly isn't that the breaking in is from the side. 385 00:16:03,266 --> 00:16:05,300 So if he wasn't buried in front of the altar 386 00:16:05,300 --> 00:16:08,000 and he's not buried here, where was he buried? 387 00:16:08,467 --> 00:16:09,500 Come with me. 388 00:16:10,500 --> 00:16:12,467 [Josh] It seems that Santa has been down more 389 00:16:12,467 --> 00:16:14,200 graves than chimneys. 390 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,100 Jeremy thinks there's another location 391 00:16:16,100 --> 00:16:19,467 in Nicholas Church that befits the saint. 392 00:16:19,467 --> 00:16:22,767 This is the last possible contender 393 00:16:22,767 --> 00:16:24,367 as the burial place for Saint Nicholas. 394 00:16:24,367 --> 00:16:26,500 You see the slab below us. 395 00:16:26,500 --> 00:16:27,367 There's some Greek here. 396 00:16:27,367 --> 00:16:28,667 You're seeing it. You're seeing Greek. 397 00:16:28,667 --> 00:16:30,367 You're seeing Greek of the period. 398 00:16:30,367 --> 00:16:32,467 And while it's a little bit broken up, 399 00:16:32,467 --> 00:16:35,000 so it's hard to read exactly what it says. 400 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,367 The word grace is clear, which suggests to us 401 00:16:37,367 --> 00:16:38,967 it could be the embodiment of grace 402 00:16:38,967 --> 00:16:40,567 -or the place of grace. -[Josh] Right. 403 00:16:40,567 --> 00:16:45,066 Some suggestion that this was, at the very least, the resting place 404 00:16:45,066 --> 00:16:47,367 of an important and significant figure. 405 00:16:47,367 --> 00:16:50,467 [Josh] But if Nick was here, he's not now. 406 00:16:50,467 --> 00:16:52,367 Scans of the floor in this section, 407 00:16:52,367 --> 00:16:54,767 have not revealed his crypt. 408 00:16:54,767 --> 00:16:56,900 Okay, I'm quickly l earning that the search 409 00:16:56,900 --> 00:16:58,667 for Saint Nicholas is not straightforward. 410 00:16:58,667 --> 00:16:59,967 It's going to be full of dead ends. 411 00:16:59,967 --> 00:17:01,567 It's going to be full of contradictions. 412 00:17:01,567 --> 00:17:04,567 There are some who believe that he never left the church 413 00:17:04,567 --> 00:17:06,867 that he's still here, which suggests that 414 00:17:06,867 --> 00:17:09,467 the Italians took the wrong bones. 415 00:17:09,467 --> 00:17:10,700 What do you think? 416 00:17:10,700 --> 00:17:12,600 -I think the Italian's got the right bones. -[Josh] You do? 417 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,367 The accounts, they are very detailed, 418 00:17:15,367 --> 00:17:16,600 and that persuades me. 419 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,100 But if you want to prove it, 420 00:17:18,100 --> 00:17:20,300 -you're gonna have to go elsewhere -Elsewhere? 421 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:21,834 Like to Italy? 422 00:17:21,834 --> 00:17:24,100 Like to Italy. That would be my best suggestion. 423 00:17:24,100 --> 00:17:25,266 Thank you, sir. 424 00:17:25,266 --> 00:17:27,200 -I really appreciate it, Jeremy. All the best -Pleasure. 425 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,500 [Josh] Jeremy has given me exactly what I wanted this Christmas. 426 00:17:32,500 --> 00:17:33,800 A mystery. 427 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,700 Did Italian sailors truly take the bones of Saint Nicholas? 428 00:17:37,700 --> 00:17:42,166 And what might they tell us about the mortal who became a legend? 429 00:17:42,166 --> 00:17:44,700 To find out, I follow the path of Saint Nicholas 430 00:17:44,700 --> 00:17:48,767 stolen remains 780 mile s as Santa's sleigh 431 00:17:48,767 --> 00:17:52,033 flies to the coastal Italian city of Bari. 432 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,734 Where I arrive under cover of darkness, 433 00:17:58,967 --> 00:18:02,400 Well, it is well before dawn here in the historic city of Bari. 434 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,100 But even in the dark, this place makes an impression. 435 00:18:05,100 --> 00:18:07,266 Between the massive city walls. 436 00:18:07,266 --> 00:18:09,100 And the imposing fortifications. 437 00:18:09,100 --> 00:18:12,400 It's clear this has always been a place worth defending. 438 00:18:14,700 --> 00:18:16,900 Bari is and has been for centuries 439 00:18:16,900 --> 00:18:20,500 a crucial Italian port on the Adriatic Sea. 440 00:18:20,500 --> 00:18:22,867 But since the alleged bones of Saint Nicholas 441 00:18:22,867 --> 00:18:25,000 arrived here in 1087, 442 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,000 It's also been a holy city. 443 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,767 And as I make my way down into the old town, 444 00:18:29,767 --> 00:18:32,400 it's clear I'm not the only pilgrim here. 445 00:18:34,567 --> 00:18:35,800 A little crowded. 446 00:18:36,567 --> 00:18:39,667 Turns out Saint Nicholas, very popular here. 447 00:18:39,667 --> 00:18:42,266 Once the people of Bari reportedly got their hands 448 00:18:42,266 --> 00:18:45,266 on the saint's remains, the city set about erecting 449 00:18:45,266 --> 00:18:47,467 a building worthy of housing them. 450 00:18:47,467 --> 00:18:50,000 One hundred years later, in 1197 451 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,567 they finished this, the stunning 452 00:18:52,567 --> 00:18:54,767 Basilica of Saint Nicholas. 453 00:18:54,767 --> 00:18:58,500 It may seem a little early to go to church, but this morning 454 00:18:58,500 --> 00:19:00,800 it's the most popular place in town. 455 00:19:07,467 --> 00:19:09,900 You know, when we think about celebrating Old Saint Nick? 456 00:19:09,900 --> 00:19:12,200 We think, of course, December 25. 457 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,667 But here in the city of Bari, it is today. 458 00:19:14,667 --> 00:19:17,800 The early morning of December 6, that really matters. 459 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,000 This is the feast of Saint Nicholas 460 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,367 when thousands of people cram into this square 461 00:19:22,367 --> 00:19:24,166 to commemorate Nicholas's death 462 00:19:24,166 --> 00:19:26,433 nearly 1700 years ago. 463 00:19:27,500 --> 00:19:29,800 Even at this early hour, it's a party 464 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,166 with plenty of chances 465 00:19:31,166 --> 00:19:33,000 to grab a Saint Nick Selfie. 466 00:19:33,467 --> 00:19:34,600 Thank you, Saint Nick. 467 00:19:34,767 --> 00:19:35,967 Grazie. 468 00:19:35,967 --> 00:19:38,533 You can even say hi to his more modern incarnation. 469 00:19:39,066 --> 00:19:40,166 There he is, Santa Claus. 470 00:19:40,166 --> 00:19:41,166 Everybody, I found him. 471 00:19:41,166 --> 00:19:43,367 Not just Saint Nick, Santa Claus. 472 00:19:43,367 --> 00:19:45,400 And because it's Italy, there's food. 473 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,200 And that food is good. 474 00:19:49,867 --> 00:19:50,767 Well, that's that. 475 00:19:50,767 --> 00:19:52,166 The best hot chocolate 476 00:19:52,166 --> 00:19:53,800 that I've ever had in my entire life. 477 00:19:55,867 --> 00:19:57,400 And the best donuts. 478 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,467 I'm never leaving this town. 479 00:19:59,467 --> 00:20:01,266 There's even a Christmas tree lighting 480 00:20:01,266 --> 00:20:03,900 that's verging on a Vegas style light show. 481 00:20:04,967 --> 00:20:07,000 Christmas trees aren't directly tied 482 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,867 to the historical Saint Nick, 483 00:20:08,867 --> 00:20:10,567 putting greenery inside dates 484 00:20:10,567 --> 00:20:12,500 all the way back to ancient Egypt. 485 00:20:12,500 --> 00:20:16,200 And later by various cultures to celebrate the solstice. 486 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:17,700 But you can thank the Germans 487 00:20:17,700 --> 00:20:20,166 for putting entire trees indoors. 488 00:20:20,166 --> 00:20:23,100 They set up paradise trees around Christmas time. 489 00:20:23,100 --> 00:20:25,500 Meant to evoke the Garden of Eden. 490 00:20:25,500 --> 00:20:28,734 The practice spread throughout Europe, and the world. 491 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,433 Most intense tree lighting ceremony ever. 492 00:20:45,066 --> 00:20:46,467 [crowd cheering] 493 00:20:46,467 --> 00:20:47,600 [whoops] 494 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:54,033 Merry Christmas. 495 00:20:57,066 --> 00:20:59,900 Once the tree is lit and dawn approaches, 496 00:20:59,900 --> 00:21:03,667 the basilica doors open and the mood turns reverent. 497 00:21:03,667 --> 00:21:04,867 More than a thousand people 498 00:21:04,867 --> 00:21:07,367 file inside for a special mass. 499 00:21:07,367 --> 00:21:09,800 Honoring the saint who became Santa. 500 00:21:16,667 --> 00:21:18,700 [priest reading] 501 00:21:29,066 --> 00:21:30,266 [Josh] Mass concludes 502 00:21:30,266 --> 00:21:32,066 and the parishioners file out 503 00:21:32,066 --> 00:21:35,600 with the church's statue of Saint Nicholas in tow. 504 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,567 From here it will be paraded through 505 00:21:37,567 --> 00:21:40,367 the streets of Bari for all to see. 506 00:21:40,367 --> 00:21:43,100 I, however, stay behind as the sun rises, 507 00:21:43,100 --> 00:21:44,400 to meet the current steward 508 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,867 of Saint Nicholas Church and possibly his bones. 509 00:21:47,867 --> 00:21:49,600 Father Giovanni Distante. 510 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:50,767 Father, Distant. 511 00:21:50,767 --> 00:21:51,567 Buongiorno. 512 00:21:51,567 --> 00:21:53,300 Buongiorno. Very nice to meet you. 513 00:21:53,300 --> 00:21:56,867 The morning mass was beautiful. 514 00:21:56,867 --> 00:21:57,800 [in Italian] 515 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,000 [in English] Fantastic. 516 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,900 A pilgrimage of love of the whole city 517 00:22:00,900 --> 00:22:03,166 of Bari towards its patron saint. 518 00:22:03,166 --> 00:22:05,800 Yes, I have many questions about Saint Nicholas. 519 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,400 [in Italian] Let me show you the place that will answer them. 520 00:22:09,867 --> 00:22:10,734 Please. 521 00:22:12,100 --> 00:22:14,166 Father Distante is giving us access 522 00:22:14,166 --> 00:22:15,800 to the lower level of the church. 523 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,000 The subterranean crypt below the altar. 524 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,634 [Father Distante in English] This is the tomb of Saint Nicholas. 525 00:22:28,567 --> 00:22:30,433 [Josh] So this is the actual tomb. 526 00:22:31,467 --> 00:22:32,700 [Father Distante] This is where his bones have laid 527 00:22:32,700 --> 00:22:34,800 since sailors brought him to Bari. 528 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,300 [Josh] Wow! 529 00:22:37,867 --> 00:22:39,767 This tomb has been here for almost 530 00:22:39,767 --> 00:22:42,000 a thousand years with great respect. 531 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,000 Are we certain that these are the bones of Saint Nicholas? 532 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:45,967 [Father Distante] Absolutely. 533 00:22:45,967 --> 00:22:49,100 The bones were placed in this tomb in 1089, 534 00:22:49,100 --> 00:22:50,934 shortly after they arrived in Bari. 535 00:22:51,867 --> 00:22:53,033 They've been here ever since. 536 00:22:53,033 --> 00:22:56,467 And then, of course, there's the holy manna to consider. 537 00:22:56,467 --> 00:22:59,400 I've heard of this manna. Tell me about this. 538 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,166 This is a a liquid that is produced by the bones? 539 00:23:03,166 --> 00:23:04,000 [Father Distante] Correct. 540 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,700 It exudes from the bones of the saint. 541 00:23:06,700 --> 00:23:09,200 [Josh] Manna originally referred to the edible, 542 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:10,500 resinous substance 543 00:23:10,500 --> 00:23:12,700 with which God sustained the Israelites 544 00:23:12,700 --> 00:23:16,100 during their 40 years wandering in the Sinai desert. 545 00:23:16,100 --> 00:23:19,367 In more modern times, though, manna refers to a substance 546 00:23:19,367 --> 00:23:21,700 with a divine origin or purpose. 547 00:23:21,700 --> 00:23:25,667 Like a liquid that exudes from the bones of a saint. 548 00:23:25,667 --> 00:23:27,400 [Father Distante] We extract the manna periodically, 549 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,500 and mix a few drops with blessed water 550 00:23:29,500 --> 00:23:31,900 to share Nicholas's blessings with the world. 551 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,500 This is for me. 552 00:23:34,500 --> 00:23:37,066 Aw. That's very, very nice of you. Thank you. 553 00:23:37,066 --> 00:23:39,300 So some manna of my own. 554 00:23:39,300 --> 00:23:40,700 Now will it make me younger? 555 00:23:41,467 --> 00:23:42,700 [Father Distante] It's a question of faith 556 00:23:43,367 --> 00:23:45,000 and faith can move mountains. 557 00:23:45,867 --> 00:23:47,667 One thing about the manna that is special 558 00:23:47,667 --> 00:23:50,000 is that it's pure fresh water. 559 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,000 We're able to extract it from this hole 560 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,600 that goes down into the crypt. 561 00:23:55,166 --> 00:23:57,166 That's where the manna is extracted from. 562 00:23:57,166 --> 00:23:59,467 Does this opening look down into the tomb? 563 00:23:59,467 --> 00:24:02,367 [Father Distante] Yes. Would you like to take a look? 564 00:24:02,367 --> 00:24:04,967 [Josh] What happens next takes my breath away. 565 00:24:04,967 --> 00:24:08,767 We are being given access to peer beneath the crypts, altar. 566 00:24:08,767 --> 00:24:12,600 And to look down into the tomb of Saint Nicholas himself. 567 00:24:14,100 --> 00:24:15,867 [whispers] Okay, let's see what we can see. 568 00:24:15,867 --> 00:24:16,834 This is incredible. 569 00:24:16,834 --> 00:24:21,066 You can actually see way down into the tomb, 570 00:24:21,066 --> 00:24:23,767 Oh, and there is a bone down there. 571 00:24:23,767 --> 00:24:26,000 You can see a bone in the liquid. 572 00:24:31,867 --> 00:24:33,133 There is a bone there. 573 00:24:33,467 --> 00:24:34,467 Oh my word. 574 00:24:34,467 --> 00:24:37,500 In Bari Italy's Basilica of Saint Nicholas. 575 00:24:37,500 --> 00:24:39,900 I'm talking to Father Giovanni Distante 576 00:24:39,900 --> 00:24:42,900 who has granted me an exceedingly rare privilege 577 00:24:42,900 --> 00:24:44,000 with my own eyes. 578 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,166 I am gazing upon what may be the bones of the saint 579 00:24:47,166 --> 00:24:49,200 who would become Santa Claus. 580 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,000 In the nearly 1000 years this has been here. 581 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,367 Has it been opened ever? 582 00:24:54,367 --> 00:24:57,767 The church was undergoing preservation work in 1953 583 00:24:57,767 --> 00:25:00,066 and for a time we opened the crypt. 584 00:25:00,700 --> 00:25:02,000 And then a few years ago, 585 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,367 a doctor was able to examine the remains 586 00:25:04,367 --> 00:25:07,000 from outside the crypt with a special camera. 587 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,800 I can arrange for you to speak with him. 588 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,000 [Josh] Thank you very much. 589 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,033 I really appreciate it. This was really, really special. 590 00:25:16,867 --> 00:25:21,066 While physical access to the supposed Saint Nick is impossible. 591 00:25:21,066 --> 00:25:23,667 Fortunately, one man has had the opportunity 592 00:25:23,667 --> 00:25:26,300 to see the remains up close and personal. 593 00:25:26,300 --> 00:25:31,367 Bari's chief medical examiner, Professor Francesco Introna. 594 00:25:31,367 --> 00:25:34,500 I have read that you might know more about these bones 595 00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:36,266 than anybody else alive today. 596 00:25:36,266 --> 00:25:37,400 Yes, that's true. 597 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:38,867 I have seen them. 598 00:25:38,867 --> 00:25:39,867 -You have seen them? -[Francesco] Yes. 599 00:25:39,867 --> 00:25:43,567 We had the opportunity to look into the crypt. 600 00:25:43,567 --> 00:25:44,867 We sent the camera inside 601 00:25:44,867 --> 00:25:46,900 Like a snake camera, inside. 602 00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:49,767 A snake camera that we use in medicine. 603 00:25:49,767 --> 00:25:51,667 Wow. What did you see? 604 00:25:51,667 --> 00:25:53,500 I can show you if you like. 605 00:25:53,500 --> 00:25:55,467 -You can show me? -Yes, absolutely. 606 00:25:55,467 --> 00:25:57,900 Oh, this is awesome. 607 00:25:57,900 --> 00:26:00,166 We are getting a once in a millennium view. 608 00:26:00,166 --> 00:26:02,900 Inside the purported tomb of Saint Nick. 609 00:26:03,500 --> 00:26:04,700 I follow the camera's image 610 00:26:04,700 --> 00:26:07,000 as it snakes down the narrow hole. 611 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,967 And into the crypt itself. 612 00:26:08,967 --> 00:26:11,166 Are these all bones? 613 00:26:11,166 --> 00:26:12,700 [Francesco] Yeah, these are all bones. 614 00:26:12,700 --> 00:26:18,367 And what you see that is shining is the manna. 615 00:26:18,367 --> 00:26:19,500 -[Josh] That's the liquid, right? -[Francesco] Yes. 616 00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:21,100 [Josh] Oh, and then is that a rib bone? 617 00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:23,667 A rib. This is ribs. This is a vegetable. 618 00:26:23,667 --> 00:26:25,000 -Part of vertebrae. -[Josh] Wow! 619 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,367 Incredible. 620 00:26:26,367 --> 00:26:29,467 I cannot believe how many remains are in here. 621 00:26:29,467 --> 00:26:32,467 [Francesco] And now you can see the major part 622 00:26:32,467 --> 00:26:34,600 of the skeleton that is the skull. 623 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,266 Oh, my God. 624 00:26:37,266 --> 00:26:39,000 The entire skull is there. 625 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,667 [Francesco] The entire skull is there 626 00:26:40,667 --> 00:26:43,100 The man that would become the inspiration 627 00:26:43,100 --> 00:26:44,600 -for the story of Santa Claus. -[Francesco] Absolutely. 628 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,400 We are looking at his skull. 629 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,200 -Absolutely. -How is it possible? 630 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,367 That skeletal remains 631 00:26:51,367 --> 00:26:53,867 that are 1700 years old 632 00:26:53,867 --> 00:26:56,200 that are sitting in liquid 633 00:26:56,867 --> 00:26:58,867 are not completely dissolved. 634 00:26:58,867 --> 00:27:00,767 It's impossible to explain, 635 00:27:00,767 --> 00:27:02,867 I think it's a miracle. 636 00:27:02,867 --> 00:27:04,166 -[Josh] A miracle? -Yes. 637 00:27:04,166 --> 00:27:05,667 You're not supposed to talk like that. 638 00:27:05,667 --> 00:27:06,867 You're a scientist. 639 00:27:06,867 --> 00:27:08,767 I am a scientist. 640 00:27:08,767 --> 00:27:10,400 But I believe in Saint Nicholas. 641 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,266 -There you go. -[chuckles] 642 00:27:12,266 --> 00:27:15,667 [Josh] And Saint Nick, the miracle man appears to have struck again 643 00:27:15,667 --> 00:27:17,467 with bones sitting in liquid 644 00:27:17,467 --> 00:27:19,800 that have defied decomposition. 645 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,100 This video is the last time anyone saw the bones, 646 00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:24,467 but not the only time. 647 00:27:24,467 --> 00:27:26,867 They were physically examined once 648 00:27:26,867 --> 00:27:28,166 in the 1950s. 649 00:27:28,166 --> 00:27:30,367 During construction work on the building. 650 00:27:30,367 --> 00:27:33,300 1953 they come out of the crypt, 651 00:27:33,300 --> 00:27:36,500 and a report is commissioned on them. Correct? 652 00:27:36,500 --> 00:27:39,800 [Francesco] Yes. This is a report of Professor Luigi Martino 653 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,000 [Josh] Wow! 654 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,400 So let's talk about the conclusions from his study here. 655 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,500 What does he say about this individual? 656 00:27:46,500 --> 00:27:49,266 What does he learn from the examination of these bones? 657 00:27:49,266 --> 00:27:51,967 We learned several important things. 658 00:27:51,967 --> 00:27:55,367 First, all the skeletons and all the bones 659 00:27:55,367 --> 00:27:58,967 that are in Bari belongs to just one man. 660 00:27:58,967 --> 00:28:00,400 -That's huge. -[Francesco] That's huge. 661 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:01,467 Okay check. 662 00:28:01,467 --> 00:28:04,100 Second thing that we have learned 663 00:28:04,100 --> 00:28:06,900 is that we know that this 664 00:28:06,900 --> 00:28:11,500 this-- uh, this man died when he was 75 665 00:28:11,500 --> 00:28:13,166 80-years-old. 666 00:28:13,166 --> 00:28:15,066 Okay, that's a big check, 667 00:28:15,066 --> 00:28:19,266 because this generally aligns with 668 00:28:19,266 --> 00:28:20,767 -the age of Saint Nicholas. -[Francesco] Yes. 669 00:28:20,767 --> 00:28:23,333 [Josh] So that information checks off some big boxes. 670 00:28:23,867 --> 00:28:25,467 Are you convinced 671 00:28:25,467 --> 00:28:27,867 that these are the remains of Saint Nicholas? 672 00:28:27,867 --> 00:28:29,133 I swear. 673 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:31,066 [chuckles] 674 00:28:31,066 --> 00:28:32,667 You're 100% convinced. 675 00:28:32,667 --> 00:28:34,000 [chuckles] Yes. 676 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,367 When you put all of these bones together, 677 00:28:36,367 --> 00:28:38,767 how much of the skeleton is accounted for? 678 00:28:38,767 --> 00:28:40,867 Around 80%. 679 00:28:40,867 --> 00:28:43,367 [Josh] The report by doctor Luigi Martino 680 00:28:43,367 --> 00:28:46,800 described each and every identifiable bone. 681 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,567 Most of the skeleton is here, 682 00:28:48,567 --> 00:28:51,500 but a few critical pieces are missing. 683 00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:53,600 Among them, the left pubic bone, 684 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,200 his right ribcage and left jawbone. 685 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,667 Where do you think the other 20% could reliably be? 686 00:29:00,667 --> 00:29:02,100 Venice, for example. 687 00:29:02,100 --> 00:29:03,533 -Venice? -[Francesco] Venice. 688 00:29:04,500 --> 00:29:07,567 [Josh] In the year 1100, another expedition of sailors 689 00:29:07,567 --> 00:29:11,367 raided the original tomb of Saint Nick in Myra, Turkey, 690 00:29:11,367 --> 00:29:13,367 this time from Venice. 691 00:29:13,367 --> 00:29:14,967 And while the sailors from Bari 692 00:29:14,967 --> 00:29:16,600 had taken most of the bones. 693 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,100 What was left, it is said, was grabbed by the Venetians 694 00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:22,367 and taken back to be venerated. 695 00:29:22,367 --> 00:29:23,700 So it's possible that 696 00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:25,467 Saint Nicholas is also in Venice, 697 00:29:25,467 --> 00:29:26,767 Could be. 698 00:29:26,767 --> 00:29:28,600 [Josh] If the bones in Venice complete 699 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,266 the missing 20% of the skeleton in Bari, 700 00:29:31,266 --> 00:29:35,367 it would all but prove that both groups of sailors did in fact, 701 00:29:35,367 --> 00:29:38,200 steal parts from the same skeleton in Myra 702 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,000 and that it may well be the real Saint Nick. 703 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,767 So I bid arrivederci to Doctor Introna. 704 00:29:43,767 --> 00:29:46,467 And fly 450 miles north 705 00:29:46,467 --> 00:29:49,600 to a place that's literally swimming in history. 706 00:29:59,467 --> 00:30:01,467 Welcome to the floating city. 707 00:30:01,467 --> 00:30:03,667 For a millennium, this was the seat 708 00:30:03,667 --> 00:30:06,567 of one of the world's great maritime powers, 709 00:30:06,567 --> 00:30:09,467 a nexus of trade, art, architecture, 710 00:30:09,467 --> 00:30:11,500 and powerful religious forces 711 00:30:11,500 --> 00:30:15,333 that gave rise to one seriously beautiful place. 712 00:30:18,767 --> 00:30:21,567 In a world that looks increasingly the same, 713 00:30:21,567 --> 00:30:24,700 there truly is no place like Venice. 714 00:30:24,700 --> 00:30:27,767 Over a hundred islands clustered in a lagoon, 715 00:30:27,767 --> 00:30:31,367 that occasionally rises higher than anyone is comfortable with. 716 00:30:31,367 --> 00:30:32,800 There are no cars here. 717 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,100 The only streets are these canals, 718 00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:37,300 which are the city's lifeblood. 719 00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:40,967 Venice is not a charming mix of the old and the new 720 00:30:40,967 --> 00:30:44,166 It is old and it is magnificent. 721 00:30:44,166 --> 00:30:46,667 Like Bari, Venice is a city of sailors. 722 00:30:46,667 --> 00:30:49,166 Saint Nicholas Primary Fan Club. 723 00:30:49,166 --> 00:30:51,266 Also like Bari, when the sailors 724 00:30:51,266 --> 00:30:53,867 reportedly brought back some of Saint Nick's remains, 725 00:30:53,867 --> 00:30:55,567 they needed a place to put them, 726 00:30:55,567 --> 00:30:57,567 which was right here. 727 00:30:57,567 --> 00:30:59,133 But not so fast. 728 00:31:00,266 --> 00:31:04,100 All right. Well behind me is the Church of San Nicolo al Lido. 729 00:31:04,100 --> 00:31:06,100 But unlike the basilica in Bari, 730 00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:08,467 where I could get within inches of their bones, 731 00:31:08,467 --> 00:31:11,400 access here is much more restricted. 732 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,000 So much so that I am actually not allowed 733 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,166 to appear on camera inside. 734 00:31:16,166 --> 00:31:18,800 But I have received a blessing from on high 735 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,500 to send a camera in. 736 00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:22,467 So let's see what they've got. 737 00:31:22,467 --> 00:31:24,033 [Evan] Okay. I'm rolling. Here we go. 738 00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:29,100 [Josh] My director of photography, Evan B. Stone, 739 00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:32,000 passes through the main doors into the church's interior 740 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,266 for rare filming access. 741 00:31:34,266 --> 00:31:36,100 at the end of the marble lined apps, 742 00:31:36,100 --> 00:31:38,467 his camera spies a high altar 743 00:31:38,467 --> 00:31:40,200 containing a sarcophagus. 744 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,367 That reportedly holds the rest of Saint Nicholas remains. 745 00:31:44,367 --> 00:31:46,266 A plaque attests to the claim, 746 00:31:46,266 --> 00:31:48,467 and historical sources tell us 747 00:31:48,467 --> 00:31:52,467 that a Venetian expedition did, in fact, sail to Myra. 748 00:31:52,467 --> 00:31:55,300 Unfortunately for them, the Venetians got to Turkey 749 00:31:55,300 --> 00:31:58,133 13 years behind their rivals from Bari. 750 00:31:59,667 --> 00:32:02,200 According to legend, the Venetians hold the monks 751 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,900 guarding the rest of the remains at knife point, 752 00:32:04,900 --> 00:32:09,200 swipe the bones and hightail it back here to Venice. 753 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,000 But did it really happen? 754 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,133 Did they get the remaining bones of Saint Nick? 755 00:32:15,367 --> 00:32:17,700 The answer to those questions is waiting for me 756 00:32:17,700 --> 00:32:20,100 outside the church, down one of the dark, 757 00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:22,100 winding canals of Venice 758 00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:24,567 At the Libreria of Aqua Alta. 759 00:32:24,567 --> 00:32:27,734 That's where I'm meeting. Historian Alessandro Trabucco. 760 00:32:30,100 --> 00:32:31,133 Alessandro. 761 00:32:31,133 --> 00:32:32,800 -Hey I'm Josh. -Hello. Nice to meet you, Josh. 762 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,000 Great to meet you. Wow. This place is incredible. 763 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,000 Man, this is so beautiful. 764 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,467 This is called High Tide Library. 765 00:32:37,467 --> 00:32:39,166 And this is a famous bookshop. 766 00:32:39,166 --> 00:32:41,100 Here we have in Venice. 767 00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:43,667 [Josh] It's no secret that Venice has a flooding problem. 768 00:32:43,667 --> 00:32:47,767 The lagoon, too, routinely rises far above street level. 769 00:32:47,767 --> 00:32:50,900 Aqua Alta has come up with a novel solution. 770 00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:53,166 Putting their merchandise in bathtubs. 771 00:32:53,166 --> 00:32:55,767 And even a gondola to protect the books. 772 00:32:55,767 --> 00:32:58,133 when the tide gets extra high. 773 00:32:59,567 --> 00:33:01,367 So we've got a lot of history around us here. 774 00:33:01,367 --> 00:33:02,767 Let's talk about some history. 775 00:33:02,767 --> 00:33:04,600 I'm here investigating this idea 776 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,400 that the bones of Saint Nicholas 777 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,867 may be here in Venice. 778 00:33:07,867 --> 00:33:09,467 So let's start with this. 779 00:33:09,467 --> 00:33:11,667 How did the get here, supposedly? 780 00:33:11,667 --> 00:33:14,700 So supposedly, they were taken by the Venetians. 781 00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:17,266 They arrived there in Myra, in Turkey 782 00:33:17,266 --> 00:33:18,967 in the year 1100. 783 00:33:18,967 --> 00:33:19,967 So that's a great story. 784 00:33:19,967 --> 00:33:23,066 The question is, How do we know that it's true? 785 00:33:23,066 --> 00:33:25,100 Since the year 1100 or so 786 00:33:25,100 --> 00:33:27,600 have these bones been studied scientifically? 787 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,500 Only once. In 1992, they were removed, 788 00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:33,100 and they were studied by Dr. Luigi Martino. 789 00:33:33,100 --> 00:33:36,200 The same guy who studied the bones in Bari in the 50's? 790 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:37,867 [Alessandro] Yeah. Yeah, yeah, sure. The same guy. 791 00:33:37,867 --> 00:33:39,867 And so what did Martino find? 792 00:33:39,867 --> 00:33:40,934 I show you. 793 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,400 [Josh] This is Martino's report? 794 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,600 -[Alessandro] This is. -Wow. Look at this. 795 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,200 This is what he finds? 796 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,000 [Alessandro] Yes. These are the fragments. 797 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,667 [Josh] So this is not at all what I was expecting. 798 00:33:50,667 --> 00:33:52,700 These are like tiny, tiny pieces. 799 00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:53,867 [Alessandro] Like a puzzle pieces. 800 00:33:53,867 --> 00:33:55,700 [Josh] Like puzzle pieces. 801 00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:58,567 Unlike the large specimens in the Bari crypt, 802 00:33:58,567 --> 00:34:01,100 the bones in Venice are quite small. 803 00:34:01,100 --> 00:34:03,000 In theory, this makes sense. 804 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,000 After all, these would merely be the leftover fragments 805 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,066 from a crypt already broken into 806 00:34:08,066 --> 00:34:11,300 and trampled on by the sailors from Bari. 807 00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:12,867 So now the million dollar question. 808 00:34:12,867 --> 00:34:15,767 Does the study reveal whether the bone fragments here 809 00:34:15,767 --> 00:34:18,667 in Venice complement the remains in Bari? 810 00:34:18,667 --> 00:34:20,266 Meaning do they go together? 811 00:34:20,266 --> 00:34:20,900 Yes, they do. 812 00:34:20,900 --> 00:34:23,200 -[Josh] They do? -They do. 813 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,467 [Josh] Dr. Martino was able to piece together 814 00:34:25,467 --> 00:34:28,200 the fragmented remains here in Venice. 815 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,867 When looked at against the bones 816 00:34:29,867 --> 00:34:31,867 that were studied in the crypt in Bari 817 00:34:31,867 --> 00:34:35,000 something incredible becomes immediately clear. 818 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,166 They fit together, almost completing the skeleton. 819 00:34:39,166 --> 00:34:41,767 I mean, this is huge because it means 820 00:34:41,767 --> 00:34:43,867 that these are parts of the same individual. 821 00:34:43,867 --> 00:34:46,800 And if sailors from Venice and sailors from Bari 822 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,300 grabbed parts of the same individual 823 00:34:49,300 --> 00:34:51,100 from this tomb in Turkey. 824 00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:54,200 It's very likely that it's Saint Nicholas. 825 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,367 I mean, it really, probably is him. 826 00:34:56,367 --> 00:34:57,900 [in English] 827 00:34:59,767 --> 00:35:00,900 -He's here. -[Alessandro] He's here. 828 00:35:00,900 --> 00:35:02,467 -And in Bari. -And in Bari. 829 00:35:02,467 --> 00:35:04,266 And also in the States. 830 00:35:04,266 --> 00:35:06,000 -Also in the States? -Yes! 831 00:35:06,467 --> 00:35:07,433 Okay. 832 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,467 A part of Saint Nicholas could be in America. 833 00:35:14,467 --> 00:35:15,400 Yes. 834 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:16,367 How? 835 00:35:16,367 --> 00:35:17,700 [in English] 836 00:35:20,166 --> 00:35:22,834 Okay. That would be incredible. 837 00:35:25,166 --> 00:35:27,667 This is a twist many churches around 838 00:35:27,667 --> 00:35:29,767 the world claim to have holy relics. 839 00:35:29,767 --> 00:35:31,800 But the idea that a piece of Saint Nick 840 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,266 ended up in America, 841 00:35:33,266 --> 00:35:36,467 seems farfetched, even for Santa. 842 00:35:36,467 --> 00:35:39,500 Still no stone or bone unturned. 843 00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:41,100 Having revealed that Saint Nick 844 00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:44,667 is almost certainly split between Bari and Venice. 845 00:35:44,667 --> 00:35:46,900 Is there really a chance that a piece of him 846 00:35:46,900 --> 00:35:49,433 ended up in Chicago? 847 00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:55,867 Here in the windy city, the temperature is brisk 848 00:35:55,867 --> 00:35:58,166 and Christmas is in the air. 849 00:35:58,166 --> 00:36:00,100 In a way, it's appropriate that my search 850 00:36:00,100 --> 00:36:02,166 for Saint Nicholas should lead here. 851 00:36:02,166 --> 00:36:04,767 Because so much of his evolution into Santa 852 00:36:04,767 --> 00:36:07,767 happened right here in the United States. 853 00:36:07,767 --> 00:36:09,767 And like all things in America, 854 00:36:09,767 --> 00:36:12,467 Santa turns out to be a bit of a melting pot. 855 00:36:12,467 --> 00:36:14,867 Okay, roll the package while I look for my gloves. 856 00:36:14,867 --> 00:36:15,900 [exhales] 857 00:36:16,867 --> 00:36:18,367 Our New World Christmas 858 00:36:18,367 --> 00:36:21,066 borrows quite a few characters from the old. 859 00:36:21,066 --> 00:36:23,767 The Dutch are the ones who give us the name Santa Claus 860 00:36:23,767 --> 00:36:27,367 from their name for Saint Nicholas, Sinterklaas. 861 00:36:27,367 --> 00:36:30,600 Elves were common in Norse and German mythology. 862 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,667 Over here, we put them to work as free labor in Santa's toy factory. 863 00:36:34,667 --> 00:36:35,800 Speaking of the Germans, 864 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,767 their belief that the baby Jesus 865 00:36:37,767 --> 00:36:40,000 or Chris Kendall brings gifts. 866 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,600 Gets repurposed as Santa's other alias, 867 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,767 Kris Kringle from England. 868 00:36:44,767 --> 00:36:46,667 Charles Dickens's Ghost of Christmas present 869 00:36:46,667 --> 00:36:48,767 becomes Father Christmas. 870 00:36:48,767 --> 00:36:52,500 A master of ceremonies whenever the season rolls around. 871 00:36:52,500 --> 00:36:55,000 And here in Chicago that season is freezing. 872 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,266 I feel like I'm at the North Pole. 873 00:36:56,266 --> 00:36:57,667 Oh, yeah, the North Pole. 874 00:36:57,667 --> 00:36:59,367 Back in the mid-19th century, 875 00:36:59,367 --> 00:37:01,066 there was a ton of interest 876 00:37:01,066 --> 00:37:03,166 in the ill fated Franklin Expedition 877 00:37:03,166 --> 00:37:05,166 to the Arctic, and because of that, 878 00:37:05,166 --> 00:37:08,567 pop culture decided to give Santa a magical new home 879 00:37:08,567 --> 00:37:10,000 at the North Pole. 880 00:37:10,900 --> 00:37:13,266 Then there's the Rosetta Stone of Christmas, 881 00:37:13,266 --> 00:37:15,100 the 1823 poem, 882 00:37:15,100 --> 00:37:17,200 a visit from Saint Nicholas. 883 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,200 You know, "'twas the night before Christmas" et cetera, et cetera. 884 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,400 Most of the Santa we know and love 885 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,467 is in these 56 lines. 886 00:37:24,467 --> 00:37:27,100 Including the first appearance of his reindeer. 887 00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:28,734 Well, eight of them anyway. 888 00:37:29,266 --> 00:37:30,467 During the Civil War. 889 00:37:30,467 --> 00:37:32,467 artist Thomas Nashe uses Santa 890 00:37:32,467 --> 00:37:36,500 as a union symbol, complete with his iconic red suit. 891 00:37:37,100 --> 00:37:38,900 And early in the 20th century, 892 00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:40,467 illustrator Haddon Sundblom 893 00:37:40,467 --> 00:37:43,867 turned the jolly old elf into a pitchman for Coca Cola, 894 00:37:43,867 --> 00:37:45,600 and the image stuck. 895 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:51,567 The Midwest even play s a role in the holiday lore when, in 1939, 896 00:37:51,567 --> 00:37:53,800 a copywriter working for the headquarters 897 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,667 of the Montgomery Ward Department store 898 00:37:55,667 --> 00:38:00,266 right behind me, came up with a stroke of marketing genius, 899 00:38:00,266 --> 00:38:03,867 Robert L. May scribbled a now iconic holiday tale 900 00:38:03,867 --> 00:38:07,166 that introduced the world to Santa's Ninth Reindeer. 901 00:38:07,166 --> 00:38:10,100 That's right. Rudolph is from Chicago, 902 00:38:10,100 --> 00:38:12,100 and he will not stop talking about it. 903 00:38:12,100 --> 00:38:14,300 We get it. You like horrible pizza 904 00:38:14,300 --> 00:38:15,867 and hot dogs without ketchup. 905 00:38:15,867 --> 00:38:17,033 Enough already. 906 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,100 Despite the city's high profile, 907 00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:22,900 the purported bone of Saint Nick I've come to see 908 00:38:22,900 --> 00:38:25,900 is not in a historic museum or cathedral. 909 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,900 Instead, I make my way to the suburb of Morton Grove 910 00:38:30,900 --> 00:38:34,300 and the church, known as the Shrine of All Saints. 911 00:38:34,300 --> 00:38:36,467 Here to greet me is the shrine's rector 912 00:38:36,467 --> 00:38:39,867 and chief collector, father Dennis O'Neill. 913 00:38:39,867 --> 00:38:41,066 I'm Josh. Nice to meet you. 914 00:38:41,066 --> 00:38:43,166 Hi Josh. I'm Dennis. Welcome to the shrine of All Saints. 915 00:38:43,166 --> 00:38:46,200 Thank you so much. This is a really remarkable space. 916 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,867 And when we say the shrine of all saints, 917 00:38:48,867 --> 00:38:50,367 I do see a lot of saints here. 918 00:38:50,367 --> 00:38:51,367 Along the wall. 919 00:38:51,367 --> 00:38:52,867 Yes. There are the relics 920 00:38:52,867 --> 00:38:55,166 of over 3100 different saints. 921 00:38:55,166 --> 00:38:57,600 I'm sorry. it sounded like you said, 3100. 922 00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:58,867 Indeed I did. 923 00:38:58,867 --> 00:39:01,266 How? Ha-- ha-- How did this come to be? 924 00:39:01,266 --> 00:39:02,266 I collected them. 925 00:39:02,266 --> 00:39:03,467 You personally collected them? 926 00:39:03,467 --> 00:39:04,266 Yes. 927 00:39:04,266 --> 00:39:06,333 Wow. So this is a lifelong mission. 928 00:39:06,967 --> 00:39:08,133 It has been. 929 00:39:09,166 --> 00:39:11,467 Dennis leads me through the collection. 930 00:39:11,467 --> 00:39:14,266 Look at all of this amazing material. 931 00:39:14,266 --> 00:39:18,000 Thousands of relics that he has saved on behalf of the public. 932 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,500 From every saint you can name. 933 00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:21,967 And likely some you can't. 934 00:39:21,967 --> 00:39:23,367 This is a reliquary that belonged 935 00:39:23,367 --> 00:39:25,667 to a Latin Patriarch of Antioch 936 00:39:25,667 --> 00:39:28,166 It is part of the skull of Saint Barbara, 937 00:39:28,166 --> 00:39:30,800 heel bone of Saint Polycarp. 938 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,367 Uh, and a right finger bone of Saint Ignatius of Antioch. 939 00:39:33,367 --> 00:39:34,900 [Josh] Wow. 940 00:39:34,900 --> 00:39:36,767 There's even one from another of the saints 941 00:39:36,767 --> 00:39:37,867 in Nicholas era 942 00:39:37,867 --> 00:39:41,700 -Saint Helena. -And this is a bone of Saint Helena. 943 00:39:41,700 --> 00:39:43,400 I'm sorry, The Saint Helena? 944 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:44,767 Mother of Constantine. 945 00:39:44,767 --> 00:39:46,467 Mother of the Emperor Constantine. 946 00:39:46,467 --> 00:39:48,367 This is a foot bone from Saint Helena. 947 00:39:48,367 --> 00:39:49,233 [Father O'Neill] That's right. 948 00:39:49,233 --> 00:39:51,467 [Josh] But even with a roster like this, 949 00:39:51,467 --> 00:39:53,600 Saint Nick is still the headliner. 950 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,000 And so here he is, the man himself. 951 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,400 That is Saint Nicholas. 952 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,767 -[Josh] This is meant to be a bone from Saint Nicholas. -Yes. 953 00:40:01,767 --> 00:40:03,500 -Right in front of us. -Yes, indeed. 954 00:40:03,500 --> 00:40:06,166 So now you're gonna have to do some time traveling with me. 955 00:40:06,166 --> 00:40:07,667 -All right. -[Josh] We know that. 956 00:40:07,667 --> 00:40:09,467 Nicholas was a bishop in Myra 957 00:40:09,467 --> 00:40:10,700 -and what's now Turkey. -Yes. 958 00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:12,767 -We know his bones were stolen away. -Yes. 959 00:40:12,767 --> 00:40:15,066 Taken to Bari and taken to Venice. 960 00:40:15,066 --> 00:40:16,667 -It seems. -Yes. 961 00:40:16,667 --> 00:40:18,100 How does one of those bones end up 962 00:40:18,100 --> 00:40:20,400 in Morton Grove, Illinois, of all places? 963 00:40:21,266 --> 00:40:22,867 -That's a very good question. -[Josh chuckles] 964 00:40:22,867 --> 00:40:25,133 -I'll try to provide an answer. -[Josh] Okay. 965 00:40:26,367 --> 00:40:28,867 Father O'Neal explains that he acquired the bone 966 00:40:28,867 --> 00:40:29,900 from church officials, 967 00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:32,767 who in turn got it from a collection in France. 968 00:40:32,767 --> 00:40:34,867 It has been certified as authentic 969 00:40:34,867 --> 00:40:36,367 by the Catholic Church. 970 00:40:36,367 --> 00:40:38,567 And while my instinct is to be skeptical 971 00:40:38,567 --> 00:40:40,000 that a piece of Saint Nick 972 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,266 is here in Chicago, 973 00:40:41,266 --> 00:40:43,100 it turns out that this fragment 974 00:40:43,100 --> 00:40:47,066 is from a left pubic bone and that It is a big deal. 975 00:40:47,066 --> 00:40:49,467 According to Dr. Martino's examinations 976 00:40:49,467 --> 00:40:54,533 that exact bone is missing from the remains in both Venice and and Bari. 977 00:40:55,166 --> 00:40:56,667 So that's a big check 978 00:40:56,667 --> 00:40:58,700 -for this being possible. -Yes. 979 00:40:58,700 --> 00:41:02,266 Has this bone been scientifically studied? 980 00:41:02,266 --> 00:41:03,166 Once. 981 00:41:03,166 --> 00:41:04,100 Once when? 982 00:41:04,100 --> 00:41:06,266 On November 4th of 2016. 983 00:41:06,266 --> 00:41:07,567 And what was done to it? 984 00:41:07,567 --> 00:41:09,200 Well, let me show you. 985 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,367 The gloves, please. 986 00:41:10,367 --> 00:41:12,000 Okay. 987 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,500 Father O'Neal gently removes the bone from its reliquary. 988 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,367 If you can see on the top there 989 00:41:22,367 --> 00:41:23,634 a hole has been drilled. 990 00:41:23,634 --> 00:41:26,600 [Josh] Yes, first of all, I can't believe I'm holding this. 991 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,166 But this was drilled into in 2016. 992 00:41:29,166 --> 00:41:33,066 -[Father O'Neill] It was. -But were they able to do any DNA testing on it 993 00:41:33,066 --> 00:41:35,100 to actually determine the individual? 994 00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:36,233 Not yet. 995 00:41:36,233 --> 00:41:38,367 When you say "Not yet", does that mean it's being done? 996 00:41:38,367 --> 00:41:39,667 It's about to be done. 997 00:41:39,667 --> 00:41:40,700 -[Josh] It is? -Yes 998 00:41:40,700 --> 00:41:44,367 So this could settle the question on Saint Nick. 999 00:41:44,367 --> 00:41:45,533 That's right. 1000 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,834 -One little bone. -One little bone. 1001 00:41:49,767 --> 00:41:51,767 Well, let's test it. 1002 00:41:51,767 --> 00:41:53,100 Let's do that. 1003 00:41:54,500 --> 00:41:57,000 [Josh] To get the DNA tested Father Dennis and I 1004 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,166 head back into the city to the University of Chicago, 1005 00:42:00,166 --> 00:42:02,700 where we meet scientists Dr. Georges Kazan 1006 00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:05,800 and Professor Tom Higham from the University of Vienna 1007 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:08,867 So what's the-- what's the-- protocol here? 1008 00:42:08,867 --> 00:42:10,800 What we're going to do now is genetic testing. 1009 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,266 -[Josh] Right. -This is going to help us validate further 1010 00:42:13,266 --> 00:42:15,500 whether or not this could be Saint Nicholas. 1011 00:42:15,500 --> 00:42:18,166 The last few years have seen big explosion. 1012 00:42:18,166 --> 00:42:19,800 The science of ancient DNA 1013 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,500 It just depends on how much DNA evidence we can extract 1014 00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:24,800 as to how much we'll be able to put a flesh 1015 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,800 onto the bones of this interesting person. 1016 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,467 -So we have our bone here. -[Father O'Neill] Yes. 1017 00:42:28,467 --> 00:42:30,967 -You will need a physical sample from this, right? -[Dr. Higham] Yes. 1018 00:42:30,967 --> 00:42:32,900 We do need some physical material 1019 00:42:32,900 --> 00:42:35,667 to actually extract and amplify the got it. 1020 00:42:35,667 --> 00:42:37,200 Got it. All right. 1021 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,266 -Father you ready for this? -Absolutely. Yeah. 1022 00:42:39,266 --> 00:42:41,200 -Let's see what you can do. -[Dr. Higham] Thanks, Father Dennis. 1023 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:42,800 -That's brilliant. -Let's go down to the lab 1024 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,867 Here we go. Please. 1025 00:42:44,867 --> 00:42:47,867 [Josh] I hope cutting into Santa's bones won't reflect on me 1026 00:42:47,867 --> 00:42:49,700 for this year's naughty or nice list, 1027 00:42:49,700 --> 00:42:53,500 because I may be about to end up with a truckload of coal. 1028 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,300 [Josh] Saint Nicholas is famous for performing many miracles, 1029 00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:07,467 from saving sailors at sea to protecting children, 1030 00:43:07,467 --> 00:43:09,300 to casting demons out of trees. 1031 00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:11,467 It seems there was nothing he couldn't do. 1032 00:43:11,467 --> 00:43:14,600 And some say those miracles continue to this day 1033 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,100 through healing manna, 1034 00:43:16,100 --> 00:43:18,100 the mysterious holy liquid, 1035 00:43:18,100 --> 00:43:20,100 that is said to exude from his bones 1036 00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:21,500 Since the 4th century. 1037 00:43:21,500 --> 00:43:22,867 and people flock to Bari 1038 00:43:22,867 --> 00:43:26,367 from all over the world to get a venerated vial. 1039 00:43:26,367 --> 00:43:27,567 So here's to Saint Nick. 1040 00:43:27,567 --> 00:43:29,767 May his spirit cure whatever ails you. 1041 00:43:29,767 --> 00:43:31,266 You're not suppose to drink it. 1042 00:43:31,266 --> 00:43:32,600 Wasn't aware of that. 1043 00:43:39,100 --> 00:43:40,800 -Okay, Josh. -Great. 1044 00:43:41,100 --> 00:43:41,834 Come in here. 1045 00:43:41,834 --> 00:43:44,066 So we're going to be going into 1046 00:43:44,066 --> 00:43:46,600 -a clean lab to do this work, -Okay. 1047 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,567 In an attempt to determine if a bone from a suburban Chicago church 1048 00:43:50,567 --> 00:43:52,700 belongs to Saint Nicholas himself, 1049 00:43:52,700 --> 00:43:54,266 Professor Tom Higham and I 1050 00:43:54,266 --> 00:43:56,367 are about to collect a sample. 1051 00:43:56,367 --> 00:43:58,667 Since it's critical, we don't contaminate it. 1052 00:43:58,667 --> 00:44:01,400 We need to take some serious precautions. 1053 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,767 We don sterile gloves, masks, hairnets and booties. 1054 00:44:05,767 --> 00:44:07,600 We even sterilize the gloves. 1055 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,367 Before putting on what's known hilariously 1056 00:44:10,367 --> 00:44:11,834 as a bunny suit. 1057 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,100 All right, We got it. I just need to pee before we start. 1058 00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:16,233 -Is that a problem? -[Dr. Higham laughs] 1059 00:44:16,667 --> 00:44:18,567 Oh! 1060 00:44:18,567 --> 00:44:21,266 [Josh] Finally, we're ready to enter the clean room. 1061 00:44:21,266 --> 00:44:25,734 Meanwhile, Father Dennis and Georges will observe from outside the airlock. 1062 00:44:26,500 --> 00:44:27,767 Hello, Father Dennis. 1063 00:44:27,767 --> 00:44:28,533 Georges, how are you? 1064 00:44:28,533 --> 00:44:30,166 [Georges] Good to see you both. 1065 00:44:30,166 --> 00:44:32,100 [Dr. Higham] This is the ultra clean room. 1066 00:44:32,100 --> 00:44:33,667 We're right in the middle of the lab now. 1067 00:44:33,667 --> 00:44:34,600 -[Josh] Okay. -[Dr. Higham] Safe enough 1068 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:35,800 so that we can open the box 1069 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,667 -and have a look inside. -[Josh] Okay, let's check it out. 1070 00:44:38,667 --> 00:44:42,166 -I have to say, just being in the presence of this... -[Dr. Higham] Yeah. 1071 00:44:42,166 --> 00:44:44,900 [Josh] ...there is this-- this kind of thrill 1072 00:44:44,900 --> 00:44:48,200 that we could actually be holding. 1073 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:49,867 the remains of Saint Nicholas. 1074 00:44:49,867 --> 00:44:51,367 [Dr. Higham] I know. it's cool. That's amazing. 1075 00:44:51,367 --> 00:44:55,266 -[Josh] It really is. I mean, it's kind of surreal. -[Dr. Higham chuckles] 1076 00:44:55,266 --> 00:44:56,667 It totally is. I agree. 1077 00:44:56,667 --> 00:44:58,400 -[Josh] Okay, so? -[Dr. Higham] Yeah. 1078 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,767 [Josh] Should we try to extract Santa's DNA? 1079 00:45:00,767 --> 00:45:02,400 -[Dr. Higham] Let's do it. -[Josh chuckles] Let's do it. 1080 00:45:07,367 --> 00:45:09,100 Tom carefully cuts into the bone, 1081 00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:11,834 of which we're aiming to take 200 mg 1082 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,166 finding usable DNA in a sample 1083 00:45:15,166 --> 00:45:16,867 this old is a long shot, 1084 00:45:16,867 --> 00:45:20,467 but we're hoping for a holiday miracle. 1085 00:45:20,467 --> 00:45:22,533 [Dr. Higham] All right. Now let's see if I can just pop that official. 1086 00:45:24,367 --> 00:45:26,700 [Josh] Boom. Look at that perfect. 1087 00:45:27,867 --> 00:45:30,100 Look at that. Absolutely perfect. Nice job. 1088 00:45:30,100 --> 00:45:31,266 Hopefully that will be enough. 1089 00:45:31,266 --> 00:45:32,600 [Dr. Higham] Let's weigh it and see. 1090 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,300 And then it'll be close. 1091 00:45:41,100 --> 00:45:43,266 Yeah, man 208. Perfect. 1092 00:45:43,266 --> 00:45:44,100 [Josh] 208. Yeah. 1093 00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:45,600 [Dr. Higham] Exactly what we wanted. 1094 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,900 -[Josh] So enough material for you to work with. -It should be yeah. 1095 00:45:47,900 --> 00:45:49,967 -[Josh] And now the hard work begins. -[Dr. Higham] Indeed. 1096 00:45:49,967 --> 00:45:51,600 [Josh] So where is this sample bound for? 1097 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,767 [Dr. Higham] This sample is going back to Austria 1098 00:45:53,767 --> 00:45:54,667 to the University of Vienna. 1099 00:45:54,667 --> 00:45:56,767 -Where ancient DNA lab is. -[Josh] Okay. 1100 00:45:56,767 --> 00:45:58,900 [Josh] Well, I'll be waiting by the phone. 1101 00:45:58,900 --> 00:46:00,500 [Dr. Higham] Can't wait to share it with you. 1102 00:46:00,500 --> 00:46:01,967 [Josh] All the best, man. This is incredible. 1103 00:46:01,967 --> 00:46:03,300 [Dr. Higham] Thanks. 1104 00:46:03,300 --> 00:46:07,767 [Josh] The sequencing will take up to six weeks to complete, 1105 00:46:07,767 --> 00:46:11,233 so I return to my headquarters for a long winter's nap. 1106 00:46:12,066 --> 00:46:15,100 Sure enough, six weeks later, my inbox pings 1107 00:46:15,100 --> 00:46:17,500 and I received the news from the laboratory. 1108 00:46:17,500 --> 00:46:19,767 The DNA in Father Dennis Relic 1109 00:46:19,767 --> 00:46:22,834 is too old and damaged to be conclusive. 1110 00:46:24,166 --> 00:46:27,066 However, Tom and Georges were able to determine 1111 00:46:27,066 --> 00:46:29,767 that this pubic bone belonged to a man 1112 00:46:29,767 --> 00:46:32,767 who died in about 340 AD. 1113 00:46:32,767 --> 00:46:35,200 in other words, right around when Saint Nicholas 1114 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,900 is believed to have gone to that great toy factory in the sky. 1115 00:46:40,700 --> 00:46:44,066 It is astronomically unlikely that this bone comes 1116 00:46:44,066 --> 00:46:45,600 from the correct time period 1117 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,667 and also perfectly completes 1118 00:46:47,667 --> 00:46:50,967 a missing part of the Venice and Bari skeleton. 1119 00:46:50,967 --> 00:46:53,100 That is, unless Father Dennis Relic 1120 00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:55,000 is, in fact, authentic. 1121 00:46:57,467 --> 00:46:58,634 Like Santa Claus. 1122 00:46:58,634 --> 00:47:02,000 I've flown a lot of miles, and on my holiday mission, 1123 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,467 I've discovered the man behind the mythology. 1124 00:47:05,467 --> 00:47:08,567 A remarkable bishop whose life inspired 1125 00:47:08,567 --> 00:47:10,700 traditions that endure today. 1126 00:47:12,500 --> 00:47:15,166 And though Christmas is a season of miracles, 1127 00:47:15,166 --> 00:47:17,266 the deeds of the historical Nick 1128 00:47:17,266 --> 00:47:20,700 are indelibly, unmistakably human. 1129 00:47:20,700 --> 00:47:26,300 A reminder that we should all protect care for and give to one another. 1130 00:47:29,166 --> 00:47:32,467 We've learned that his bones were likely stolen, 1131 00:47:32,467 --> 00:47:35,000 and we can say with strong certainty 1132 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,066 that they reside in two Italian cities. 1133 00:47:38,066 --> 00:47:41,100 And now, we can add Chicago to the list. 1134 00:47:43,767 --> 00:47:46,667 Getting to know the real Saint Nicholas has been an honor 1135 00:47:46,667 --> 00:47:49,166 that I'll carry with me for a lifetime. 1136 00:47:49,166 --> 00:47:50,266 One that I'll remember 1137 00:47:50,266 --> 00:47:51,600 each time I say, 1138 00:47:52,667 --> 00:47:56,300 Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night. 89591

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