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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,672 --> 00:00:07,308 NARRATOR: This program is about unsolved mysteries. 2 00:00:07,408 --> 00:00:09,410 Whenever possible, the actual family members 3 00:00:09,510 --> 00:00:11,379 and police officials have participated 4 00:00:11,479 --> 00:00:12,913 in recreating the events. 5 00:00:13,013 --> 00:00:15,583 What you are about to see is not a news broadcast. 6 00:00:19,887 --> 00:00:22,123 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Tonight, on Unsolved Mysteries, 7 00:00:22,223 --> 00:00:24,558 Tim McClure and his mother were inseparable, 8 00:00:24,658 --> 00:00:26,327 until Terry McClure was found shot 9 00:00:26,427 --> 00:00:28,196 to death in a casino parking lot, 10 00:00:28,296 --> 00:00:31,099 and her son became the number one suspect. 11 00:00:31,199 --> 00:00:35,536 Tonight, Tim McClure wants to tell his side of the story. 12 00:00:35,636 --> 00:00:38,906 In 1973, America was crippled by the gas shortage. 13 00:00:39,006 --> 00:00:42,042 Liz Carmichael raised $3 million for her revolutionary, 14 00:00:42,143 --> 00:00:43,844 three-wheeled car, which she claimed would 15 00:00:43,944 --> 00:00:45,946 get 70 miles to the gallon. 16 00:00:46,046 --> 00:00:50,318 The government claimed fraud, and Liz has disappeared. 17 00:00:50,418 --> 00:00:53,487 In Georgia, a feud between two rival restaurant owners, 18 00:00:53,587 --> 00:00:55,123 competing for the same customers, 19 00:00:55,223 --> 00:00:57,024 ended in a contract killing. 20 00:00:57,125 --> 00:00:59,960 One of the murderers is still at large. 21 00:01:00,060 --> 00:01:04,098 Four mysteries with no endings-- but they can be solved. 22 00:01:04,198 --> 00:01:06,467 Last November, we presented the story of the kidnapping 23 00:01:06,567 --> 00:01:08,869 of a wealthy Mississippi woman, whose husband was 24 00:01:08,969 --> 00:01:11,172 told to send $1 million to 12 people 25 00:01:11,272 --> 00:01:13,307 named in a bizarre ransom note. 26 00:01:13,407 --> 00:01:15,943 He paid out, but his wife was not released. 27 00:01:16,043 --> 00:01:19,046 Tonight, an update on this extraordinary case. 28 00:01:19,147 --> 00:01:24,618 Join me-- you may be able to help solve the mystery. 29 00:01:24,718 --> 00:01:26,620 [theme music] 30 00:02:13,967 --> 00:02:18,038 In 1977, TK Harty's saloon was a popular bar and restaurant, 31 00:02:18,138 --> 00:02:20,040 catering to the student crowd of the university 32 00:02:20,140 --> 00:02:22,610 town of Athens, Georgia. 33 00:02:22,710 --> 00:02:26,647 The saloon's owner was Ted K. Harty, nicknamed TK. 34 00:02:26,747 --> 00:02:28,482 He rented space from a group of businessman, 35 00:02:28,582 --> 00:02:30,083 who were converting an abandoned train 36 00:02:30,184 --> 00:02:35,189 depot into a complex of restaurants and trendy shops. 37 00:02:35,289 --> 00:02:37,491 LEE EPTING: TK Harty was an obnoxious Yankee 38 00:02:37,591 --> 00:02:38,559 when you first met him. 39 00:02:38,659 --> 00:02:40,694 He came on really strong. 40 00:02:40,794 --> 00:02:43,831 And when he came to town, it took me a little while 41 00:02:43,931 --> 00:02:45,733 to get used to him, so that I would even 42 00:02:45,833 --> 00:02:49,270 want to have him as a tenant. 43 00:02:49,370 --> 00:02:52,706 When you got to know TK, he was just a real teddy bear. 44 00:02:52,806 --> 00:02:54,174 Just a really nice guy. 45 00:02:54,275 --> 00:02:59,780 He was enthusiastic about the complex, and doing it right. 46 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:01,382 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Harty's arch rival was 47 00:03:01,482 --> 00:03:03,751 a man named John Mooney, who also leased space 48 00:03:03,851 --> 00:03:06,053 in the remodeled train station for his restaurant, 49 00:03:06,153 --> 00:03:09,257 called Somebody's Pizza. 50 00:03:09,357 --> 00:03:12,260 Mooney and TK Harty had a long history of animosity, 51 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:13,694 because both their restaurants were 52 00:03:13,794 --> 00:03:17,798 going after the same student clientele. 53 00:03:17,898 --> 00:03:19,567 LEE EPTING: When John Mooney came to town, 54 00:03:19,667 --> 00:03:23,771 he was the preppy, out of college, 55 00:03:23,871 --> 00:03:27,308 cool guy, who was full of vigor and enthusiasm about what 56 00:03:27,408 --> 00:03:29,277 he was going to do down there, and how he was going to make 57 00:03:29,377 --> 00:03:30,278 his millions of dollars. 58 00:03:30,378 --> 00:03:32,313 And what all he had to offer. 59 00:03:32,413 --> 00:03:36,484 And that lasted until he got the lease signed and got the place, 60 00:03:36,584 --> 00:03:38,852 and then he started-- well, I just need this, 61 00:03:38,952 --> 00:03:39,753 and I just need that. 62 00:03:39,853 --> 00:03:40,921 And I can't pay the rent. 63 00:03:41,021 --> 00:03:41,822 And 64 00:03:41,922 --> 00:03:43,791 Then John kind of got greedy. 65 00:03:43,891 --> 00:03:47,060 Hey come see us next door, nickel beer-- Somebody's Pizza. 66 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:48,896 Come to Somebody's Pizza right next door. 67 00:03:48,996 --> 00:03:50,030 Good deal on beer. 68 00:03:50,130 --> 00:03:52,700 LEE EPTING: John started wanting to infringe 69 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,435 on everybody else's business. 70 00:03:54,535 --> 00:03:57,705 His idea was to go up to TK's, pass out 71 00:03:57,805 --> 00:04:00,173 flyers on the deck for nickel beer, 72 00:04:00,274 --> 00:04:03,711 and draw TK's crowd down to his place. 73 00:04:03,811 --> 00:04:05,446 John, what do you think you're doing here? 74 00:04:05,546 --> 00:04:07,147 Hey, what does it look like? 75 00:04:07,247 --> 00:04:09,082 LEE EPTING: That just went all over TK. 76 00:04:09,182 --> 00:04:12,119 I mean, he couldn't stand that that was the last straw. 77 00:04:12,219 --> 00:04:15,289 I'll tell you what this is-- this is private property! 78 00:04:15,389 --> 00:04:17,658 I want you out of here right now! 79 00:04:17,758 --> 00:04:20,828 LEE EPTING: John Mooney and TK Harty despised each other. 80 00:04:20,928 --> 00:04:22,530 They really had gotten to the point 81 00:04:22,630 --> 00:04:27,501 that there was no reconciliation between the two people. 82 00:04:27,601 --> 00:04:29,903 ROBERT STACK: The feud between TK Harty and John Mooney 83 00:04:30,003 --> 00:04:32,239 started out as a dispute between restaurateurs 84 00:04:32,340 --> 00:04:34,608 going after the same customers. 85 00:04:34,708 --> 00:04:36,610 But after three years, when the original lease 86 00:04:36,710 --> 00:04:39,079 on the train station expired, TK Harty 87 00:04:39,179 --> 00:04:41,281 took over the entire complex. 88 00:04:41,382 --> 00:04:43,116 It was then that his feud with John Mooney 89 00:04:43,216 --> 00:04:45,719 escalated into a full-scale war. 90 00:04:45,819 --> 00:04:48,288 The end result was murder. 91 00:04:48,389 --> 00:04:52,292 When we decided to not pick up the lease, 92 00:04:52,393 --> 00:04:54,094 we had to sell the place. 93 00:04:54,194 --> 00:04:56,229 Ted came up with the money, and Ted 94 00:04:56,330 --> 00:04:59,600 bought the station complex-- the shops, everything. 95 00:04:59,700 --> 00:05:01,335 Which included John Mooney's place. 96 00:05:04,572 --> 00:05:06,374 He said he was going to evict John as 97 00:05:06,474 --> 00:05:07,875 soon as we signed the papers. 98 00:05:07,975 --> 00:05:11,144 And he did that on a Friday afternoon. 99 00:05:11,244 --> 00:05:13,547 This is your eviction notice. 100 00:05:13,647 --> 00:05:14,815 Eviction notice? 101 00:05:14,915 --> 00:05:17,385 This is your eviction notice-- you are out of here. 102 00:05:17,485 --> 00:05:18,719 Wait a minute, TK-- 103 00:05:18,819 --> 00:05:20,488 HARRY GORDON: TK Harty had made mention to several members 104 00:05:20,588 --> 00:05:23,424 of his family, to his girlfriend, that he was 105 00:05:23,524 --> 00:05:25,993 concerned-- not to the extent that he would harm him 106 00:05:26,093 --> 00:05:28,496 physically, perhaps-- but that he was really concerned 107 00:05:28,596 --> 00:05:31,599 about the attitude of John Henry Mooney against him, 108 00:05:31,699 --> 00:05:32,800 concerning the eviction. 109 00:05:37,738 --> 00:05:39,039 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): 10 days later, 110 00:05:39,139 --> 00:05:43,644 in the early morning hours of August the 30th, 1977, TK Harty 111 00:05:43,744 --> 00:05:45,813 arrived home as usual, after closing 112 00:05:45,913 --> 00:05:47,080 up his saloon for the night. 113 00:05:50,984 --> 00:05:56,924 A man lurked in the shadows of TK's kitchen, watching him. 114 00:05:57,024 --> 00:06:00,728 When Harty left to walk into his study, a man followed him. 115 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,775 [gun shot] 116 00:06:14,875 --> 00:06:17,945 TK Harty was shot one time in the head. 117 00:06:18,045 --> 00:06:19,212 He died instantly. 118 00:06:22,149 --> 00:06:24,418 Four hours after Harty's body was found, 119 00:06:24,518 --> 00:06:27,988 police picked up John Mooney for interrogation. 120 00:06:28,088 --> 00:06:30,791 At first, Mooney was very cooperative. 121 00:06:30,891 --> 00:06:34,294 John, do you know why you are here tonight? 122 00:06:34,394 --> 00:06:40,067 Well, I guess it's about the shooting of TK Harty. 123 00:06:40,167 --> 00:06:42,135 How did you know about the shooting? 124 00:06:42,235 --> 00:06:43,737 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): News of Harty's murder 125 00:06:43,837 --> 00:06:46,039 had not been released to anyone, yet Mooney 126 00:06:46,139 --> 00:06:48,876 seemed to know exactly why he was being questioned. 127 00:06:48,976 --> 00:06:51,679 On the shooting, and how I felt about. 128 00:06:51,779 --> 00:06:53,481 KENNETH KILGORE: When John Mooney told me 129 00:06:53,581 --> 00:06:56,917 that he was aware that TK Harty had been shot, 130 00:06:57,017 --> 00:07:01,489 I told him that we had not released that information, 131 00:07:01,589 --> 00:07:04,758 and that nobody knew that except the police department, 132 00:07:04,858 --> 00:07:06,393 and the people that were investigating 133 00:07:06,494 --> 00:07:09,196 this murder-- that he had been killed, 134 00:07:09,296 --> 00:07:11,699 or how he had been killed. 135 00:07:11,799 --> 00:07:14,267 At that time, he did become nervous. 136 00:07:14,367 --> 00:07:17,404 He said, I think I need to talk to my lawyer. 137 00:07:17,505 --> 00:07:18,739 All righty, thanks. 138 00:07:18,839 --> 00:07:20,708 Bye 139 00:07:20,808 --> 00:07:23,076 Hold on just a second, sit down. 140 00:07:23,176 --> 00:07:24,478 KENNETH KILGORE: When he hung up the phone, 141 00:07:24,578 --> 00:07:27,014 he said, my lawyer said for me to get up and walk 142 00:07:27,114 --> 00:07:29,016 out if I wasn't under arrest. 143 00:07:29,116 --> 00:07:30,651 I'm going to allow you to leave. 144 00:07:30,751 --> 00:07:34,488 I want to tell you something before you go-- you're not 145 00:07:34,588 --> 00:07:35,989 under arrest right now, but-- 146 00:07:36,089 --> 00:07:37,324 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Police did not 147 00:07:37,424 --> 00:07:41,028 have sufficient evidence to arrest Mooney. 148 00:07:41,128 --> 00:07:43,764 No other leads surfaced, and three weeks after the murder, 149 00:07:43,864 --> 00:07:45,699 the authorities were still at a dead end. 150 00:07:48,902 --> 00:07:51,539 On the fourth week, another local restaurant manager 151 00:07:51,639 --> 00:07:54,141 who known both TK Harty and John Mooney 152 00:07:54,241 --> 00:07:57,745 called the police with a bizarre story. 153 00:07:57,845 --> 00:07:59,513 He said he was cleaning up behind the bar 154 00:07:59,613 --> 00:08:02,315 one night when an Atlanta electrician, named Elmo 155 00:08:02,415 --> 00:08:05,452 Florence, began to drop hints that he was willing to kill 156 00:08:05,553 --> 00:08:07,054 people for money. 157 00:08:07,154 --> 00:08:07,988 You're a what? 158 00:08:08,088 --> 00:08:09,657 I'm a hit man. 159 00:08:09,757 --> 00:08:11,391 You don't need to call into Jersey, if you want 160 00:08:11,491 --> 00:08:13,193 somebody good-- give me a call. 161 00:08:13,293 --> 00:08:14,562 Yeah? 162 00:08:14,662 --> 00:08:17,130 RESTAURANT MANAGER: Elmo was bragging to me about the fact 163 00:08:17,230 --> 00:08:20,734 that he was a hit man-- and that his services were for hire. 164 00:08:20,834 --> 00:08:22,369 At first I thought he was kidding me-- 165 00:08:22,469 --> 00:08:24,404 that he had murdered TK Harty. 166 00:08:24,504 --> 00:08:25,773 You're batty. 167 00:08:25,873 --> 00:08:27,641 RESTAURANT MANAGER: You have to understand Elmo-- I just 168 00:08:27,741 --> 00:08:29,242 thought he was kidding around with me, some sort 169 00:08:29,342 --> 00:08:31,612 of warped sense of humor. 170 00:08:31,712 --> 00:08:34,915 And then we started to go on, and you know, 171 00:08:35,015 --> 00:08:37,317 I just said to him, I said, all right-- 172 00:08:37,417 --> 00:08:38,852 how'd you get in the house? 173 00:08:38,952 --> 00:08:39,853 Piece of cake. 174 00:08:39,953 --> 00:08:42,389 Busted out the glass. 175 00:08:42,489 --> 00:08:50,931 [glass shatters] Went in, swept the glass up in a pile, 176 00:08:51,031 --> 00:08:54,134 waited around for him. 177 00:08:54,234 --> 00:08:56,870 [phone rings] 178 00:08:56,970 --> 00:08:59,139 Telephone signal-- two rings. 179 00:09:04,111 --> 00:09:08,381 I knew he was on his way. 180 00:09:08,481 --> 00:09:11,819 I waited. 181 00:09:11,919 --> 00:09:20,628 Saw the car lights, heard the car, and waited for him. 182 00:09:20,728 --> 00:09:22,830 Elmo Florence began to describe 183 00:09:22,930 --> 00:09:26,566 the inside of the house, where the murder took place. 184 00:09:26,667 --> 00:09:30,437 He began to tell the point of entry. 185 00:09:30,537 --> 00:09:35,275 He told what type of weapon was used to kill Ted Harty. 186 00:09:35,375 --> 00:09:40,213 He told where the bullet entered the head, and where it exited. 187 00:09:40,313 --> 00:09:43,383 There was basically, in the statement that we received 188 00:09:43,483 --> 00:09:46,586 from the manager of the restaurant, 189 00:09:46,687 --> 00:09:49,857 there were 21 different points that we 190 00:09:49,957 --> 00:09:53,260 had not released to the public. 191 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:54,594 [knocking] 192 00:09:54,695 --> 00:10:01,802 We knew at that time that we had a very hot suspect here. 193 00:10:01,902 --> 00:10:02,703 Mr. Florence? 194 00:10:02,803 --> 00:10:03,737 Yeah. 195 00:10:03,837 --> 00:10:04,638 Elmo Florence? 196 00:10:04,738 --> 00:10:05,572 That's right. 197 00:10:05,673 --> 00:10:07,174 You're under arrest for murder. 198 00:10:07,274 --> 00:10:08,709 Don't move. 199 00:10:08,809 --> 00:10:11,378 All right, get out of here. 200 00:10:11,478 --> 00:10:13,013 OK, get them on him-- 201 00:10:13,113 --> 00:10:14,314 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Elmo Florence 202 00:10:14,414 --> 00:10:16,549 had told the restaurant manager that John Mooney 203 00:10:16,650 --> 00:10:19,319 hired him to kill TK Harty. 204 00:10:19,419 --> 00:10:21,588 But when the police tried to arrest Mooney, 205 00:10:21,689 --> 00:10:24,491 they found that he had left the country. 206 00:10:24,591 --> 00:10:26,293 KENNETH KILGORE: If Elmore Florence had not 207 00:10:26,393 --> 00:10:29,730 walked into the bar, and started telling the different things 208 00:10:29,830 --> 00:10:32,265 that we later determined to be true, 209 00:10:32,365 --> 00:10:34,835 possibly the investigation into this murder 210 00:10:34,935 --> 00:10:36,970 would have never been solved. 211 00:10:37,070 --> 00:10:40,107 John Mooney had already been established as a suspect, 212 00:10:40,207 --> 00:10:41,775 but there was no connection at that time 213 00:10:41,875 --> 00:10:43,543 between Mooney and Florence. 214 00:10:43,643 --> 00:10:45,078 I don't know how long that would have taken, 215 00:10:45,178 --> 00:10:48,749 if it were ever uncovered. 216 00:10:48,849 --> 00:10:52,686 This was a terrific break-- it was lucky. 217 00:10:52,786 --> 00:10:54,888 And we took advantage of it. 218 00:10:57,257 --> 00:10:58,792 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Two weeks later, police 219 00:10:58,892 --> 00:11:01,594 were tipped off that Mooney had returned to the United States 220 00:11:01,695 --> 00:11:04,231 and was staying at a friend's apartment. 221 00:11:04,331 --> 00:11:06,299 Cobb County Police Lieutenant, Lee Moss, 222 00:11:06,399 --> 00:11:08,969 went to the apartment building, and approached two men who were 223 00:11:09,069 --> 00:11:12,806 drinking in the parking lot. 224 00:11:12,906 --> 00:11:15,008 LEE MOSS: The time I arrested John Mooney, 225 00:11:15,108 --> 00:11:20,347 all I knew was his name and a general description. 226 00:11:20,447 --> 00:11:23,316 And I knew that the warrant was for murder. 227 00:11:23,416 --> 00:11:26,887 So when I saw the two individuals drinking beer, 228 00:11:26,987 --> 00:11:31,058 this gave me a perfect out, I figured, to approach them 229 00:11:31,158 --> 00:11:33,026 from this angle. 230 00:11:33,126 --> 00:11:36,163 But I knew if he knew he was wanted, 231 00:11:36,263 --> 00:11:41,168 he would probably flee from us, or else he'd pull a gun on us. 232 00:11:41,268 --> 00:11:43,804 I tell you, all these cans here, it kind of upsets me-- 233 00:11:43,904 --> 00:11:45,672 all this littering, y'all sitting out here drinking. 234 00:11:45,773 --> 00:11:47,007 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Officer Moss 235 00:11:47,107 --> 00:11:49,276 ascertained that one of the men was indeed John Mooney. 236 00:11:49,376 --> 00:11:52,445 I tell you what-- put your hands on the car. 237 00:11:52,545 --> 00:11:53,947 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): He arrested Mooney, 238 00:11:54,047 --> 00:11:56,817 and charged him with murder. 239 00:11:56,917 --> 00:11:59,486 When the police inventoried Mooney's belongings, 240 00:11:59,586 --> 00:12:03,623 they found several incriminating notes he'd jotted to himself. 241 00:12:03,723 --> 00:12:06,726 Incredibly, Mooney had written, "See Elmo, 242 00:12:06,827 --> 00:12:09,729 offer to him, if worse comes to worst, to take the whole rap 243 00:12:09,830 --> 00:12:11,799 and say robbery was the motive. 244 00:12:11,899 --> 00:12:16,669 We have agreement for me to take care of his wife and family." 245 00:12:16,770 --> 00:12:19,907 Elmo Florence's trial lasted only one week. 246 00:12:20,007 --> 00:12:22,075 He was sentenced to life at a maximum security 247 00:12:22,175 --> 00:12:24,711 prison in Georgia. 248 00:12:24,812 --> 00:12:26,613 John Mooney was also sentenced to life 249 00:12:26,713 --> 00:12:28,448 in a maximum security prison. 250 00:12:28,548 --> 00:12:30,517 But three months later, he was moved 251 00:12:30,617 --> 00:12:33,720 to a minimum security facility. 252 00:12:33,821 --> 00:12:36,456 After six months of observation there, prison officials 253 00:12:36,556 --> 00:12:39,492 gave Mooney the job of kitchen clerk. 254 00:12:39,592 --> 00:12:41,728 Now, he had access to areas that were not 255 00:12:41,829 --> 00:12:44,197 available to most prisoners. 256 00:12:44,297 --> 00:12:45,765 How's the count today, pretty good? 257 00:12:45,866 --> 00:12:46,733 245. 258 00:12:46,834 --> 00:12:47,667 245. 259 00:12:47,767 --> 00:12:49,269 CALVIN GREEN: John Mooney was a-- 260 00:12:49,369 --> 00:12:51,404 what you call an ideal inmate. 261 00:12:51,504 --> 00:12:55,175 He fit in well with the inmate and staff. 262 00:12:55,275 --> 00:12:57,444 He didn't complain about the rules and regulations, 263 00:12:57,544 --> 00:12:59,947 he just worked hard. 264 00:13:00,047 --> 00:13:04,885 And he gained the confidence of the staff, and myself. 265 00:13:04,985 --> 00:13:07,454 So he had proven himself. 266 00:13:07,554 --> 00:13:11,124 But he-- now we see he was a con artist, 267 00:13:11,224 --> 00:13:12,292 and he was conning us all. 268 00:13:15,495 --> 00:13:16,864 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): On March the 16th, 269 00:13:16,964 --> 00:13:21,001 1980, after serving only 19 months of his life sentence, 270 00:13:21,101 --> 00:13:22,802 John Mooney engineered his escape. 271 00:13:28,775 --> 00:13:30,510 When the prisoners went back inside, 272 00:13:30,610 --> 00:13:33,580 the guard locked the gate and walked away. 273 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:34,481 Mooney made his break. 274 00:13:40,587 --> 00:13:43,857 An accomplice was waiting in a car parked nearby. 275 00:13:43,957 --> 00:13:46,526 As Mooney ran toward the car, he discarded his prisoner 276 00:13:46,626 --> 00:13:50,297 wardrobe, piece by piece. 277 00:13:50,397 --> 00:13:52,465 Two hours went by before prison officials 278 00:13:52,565 --> 00:13:54,701 noticed Mooney was missing. 279 00:13:54,801 --> 00:13:58,505 By then, it was too late-- John Mooney had made his getaway. 280 00:14:02,309 --> 00:14:04,411 He has not been seen for over nine years. 281 00:14:09,282 --> 00:14:11,518 HARRY GORDON: Without the actions of Mooney, and actually 282 00:14:11,618 --> 00:14:14,487 hiring somebody to take another person's life, 283 00:14:14,587 --> 00:14:17,157 TK Harty would be here today. 284 00:14:17,257 --> 00:14:19,659 Unless John Henry Mooney is captured, 285 00:14:19,759 --> 00:14:22,930 he got away with murder. 286 00:14:23,030 --> 00:14:26,133 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): These photographs were taken in 1979. 287 00:14:26,233 --> 00:14:28,468 Today, John Mooney would be 40 years old. 288 00:14:28,568 --> 00:14:32,239 He is 5 feet 10 inches tall, and weighs about 170 pounds. 289 00:14:32,339 --> 00:14:34,707 Mooney has a fair complexion, green eyes 290 00:14:34,807 --> 00:14:36,309 and sandy-blond hair. 291 00:14:36,409 --> 00:14:38,345 He may be living in the Dayton, Ohio area. 292 00:14:42,349 --> 00:14:44,351 Update-- Scottsdale, Arizona. 293 00:14:44,451 --> 00:14:46,686 Within minutes of our broadcast, two viewers 294 00:14:46,786 --> 00:14:49,589 called our telecenter to report that John Mooney 295 00:14:49,689 --> 00:14:51,925 was living in this house, under the assumed name, 296 00:14:52,025 --> 00:14:52,960 Robert J. Kelly. 297 00:14:55,795 --> 00:14:57,564 On August 8th, John Mooney-- alias 298 00:14:57,664 --> 00:15:01,301 Robert Kelly-- was arrested at his home by the Mesa Police. 299 00:15:01,401 --> 00:15:04,571 Mooney had been living in Arizona since 1982. 300 00:15:04,671 --> 00:15:07,207 He was enrolled at Arizona State University. 301 00:15:07,307 --> 00:15:08,775 For the past several years, he'd been 302 00:15:08,875 --> 00:15:10,877 working as an accountant for various companies 303 00:15:10,978 --> 00:15:12,779 in the Scottsdale area. 304 00:15:12,879 --> 00:15:15,515 Mooney married six years ago, and has a one-year-old child. 305 00:15:18,885 --> 00:15:22,922 On September 16th, 1989, over nine years after he escaped, 306 00:15:23,023 --> 00:15:24,624 John Mooney was returned to Georgia. 307 00:15:32,799 --> 00:15:35,768 In a moment, the story of Liz Carmichael-- visionary, 308 00:15:35,868 --> 00:15:38,571 automotive genius, wanted fugitive. 309 00:15:43,510 --> 00:15:48,248 [theme music] 310 00:15:48,348 --> 00:15:51,651 In 1973, America was faced with an oil crisis that 311 00:15:51,751 --> 00:15:54,187 nearly crippled the country. 312 00:15:54,287 --> 00:15:57,090 It created a gas shortage, and motorists had to wait hours 313 00:15:57,190 --> 00:15:59,392 to fill up their tanks. 314 00:15:59,492 --> 00:16:01,594 Consumers wanted a solution-- cheaper 315 00:16:01,694 --> 00:16:04,831 gas, or more economical cars. 316 00:16:04,931 --> 00:16:06,666 One visionary claims she had just 317 00:16:06,766 --> 00:16:10,303 such a car-- a startling new three-wheeled vehicle called 318 00:16:10,403 --> 00:16:12,272 the Dale. 319 00:16:12,372 --> 00:16:14,307 It was claimed that this revolutionary car 320 00:16:14,407 --> 00:16:16,009 would get 70 miles to the gallon, 321 00:16:16,109 --> 00:16:18,911 and cost less than $2,000. 322 00:16:19,012 --> 00:16:21,014 Made of a special aerospace plastic, 323 00:16:21,114 --> 00:16:22,882 its creator claimed it could withstand 324 00:16:22,982 --> 00:16:25,985 an impact against a brick wall at 50 miles an hour, 325 00:16:26,086 --> 00:16:28,988 and was impossible to tip over. 326 00:16:29,089 --> 00:16:31,924 It seemed the perfect answer to the gas crunch. 327 00:16:32,025 --> 00:16:32,992 It was a new idea. 328 00:16:33,093 --> 00:16:35,528 It's something-- we all heard of the gas 329 00:16:35,628 --> 00:16:37,564 guzzlers coming from Detroit. 330 00:16:37,664 --> 00:16:39,599 And here's somebody who could put out an automobile that 331 00:16:39,699 --> 00:16:42,669 could get 60 miles to a gallon gas, 332 00:16:42,769 --> 00:16:45,472 and travel all over the city without a problem-- 333 00:16:45,572 --> 00:16:47,940 would've been the ideal automobile . 334 00:16:48,041 --> 00:16:49,342 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The entrepreneur 335 00:16:49,442 --> 00:16:52,379 who unveiled the Dale was a remarkable and forceful woman 336 00:16:52,479 --> 00:16:54,714 named Liz Carmichael, who saw herself 337 00:16:54,814 --> 00:16:58,218 as a cross between Howard Hughes and Henry Ford. 338 00:16:58,318 --> 00:17:01,321 We have pledges from private individuals-- 339 00:17:01,421 --> 00:17:02,822 for private stock. 340 00:17:02,922 --> 00:17:05,958 BILL HALL: Elizabeth Carmichael was very positive, 341 00:17:06,059 --> 00:17:11,564 a very command presence, a very powerful appearing person. 342 00:17:11,664 --> 00:17:13,866 A big woman, a massive woman-- but that 343 00:17:13,966 --> 00:17:15,335 was part of her appeal. 344 00:17:15,435 --> 00:17:16,669 She wanted to be a man. 345 00:17:16,769 --> 00:17:18,405 She wanted to wear a man's pants. 346 00:17:18,505 --> 00:17:20,307 She acted like a man-- she was strong. 347 00:17:20,407 --> 00:17:21,708 She was determined. 348 00:17:21,808 --> 00:17:23,276 FRANK GAVRICH: She had the ability 349 00:17:23,376 --> 00:17:25,712 to incite the fire in you. 350 00:17:25,812 --> 00:17:30,183 Not wimpish in any way-- she was a very dynamic, strong person. 351 00:17:30,283 --> 00:17:34,587 And she did things that impressed us. 352 00:17:34,687 --> 00:17:36,223 ROBERT STACK: Liz achieved celebrity status 353 00:17:36,323 --> 00:17:38,491 while raising over $3 million, through advanced 354 00:17:38,591 --> 00:17:40,593 purchases of her car. 355 00:17:40,693 --> 00:17:44,497 Then on May 29th, 1975, Geraldine Elizabeth Carmichael 356 00:17:44,597 --> 00:17:46,866 was indicted by the Los Angeles County grand jury 357 00:17:46,966 --> 00:17:49,102 for a grand theft and fraud. 358 00:17:49,202 --> 00:17:51,971 She was later found guilty on 34 counts. 359 00:17:52,071 --> 00:17:56,143 Liz Carmichael's car, the Dale, turned out to be a sham. 360 00:17:56,243 --> 00:17:58,010 Was this a case of someone simply failing 361 00:17:58,111 --> 00:18:00,713 to live up to their dreams, or did Liz Carmichael 362 00:18:00,813 --> 00:18:05,952 deliberately set out to swindle millions from naive investors? 363 00:18:06,052 --> 00:18:09,222 In 1973, Liz was a housewife living in Los 364 00:18:09,322 --> 00:18:11,958 Angeles with her five children. 365 00:18:12,058 --> 00:18:14,694 She claimed she had a degree in mechanical engineering, 366 00:18:14,794 --> 00:18:17,530 and in 1974, formed 20th Century Motor 367 00:18:17,630 --> 00:18:22,135 Car Corporation to produce her three-wheeled car, the Dale. 368 00:18:22,235 --> 00:18:24,937 I've called you all together to try and give you 369 00:18:25,037 --> 00:18:26,739 some updated information on what we're 370 00:18:26,839 --> 00:18:29,876 doing here at 20th Century Motors, and with the Dale. 371 00:18:29,976 --> 00:18:31,178 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Liz Carmichael 372 00:18:31,278 --> 00:18:34,046 told investors and the press that her company was renting 373 00:18:34,147 --> 00:18:35,882 three large aircraft hangars, where they 374 00:18:35,982 --> 00:18:37,384 would soon start production. 375 00:18:37,484 --> 00:18:38,785 In our first year. 376 00:18:38,885 --> 00:18:39,952 And what about the cost? 377 00:18:40,052 --> 00:18:42,489 Cost factor-- any American can afford our car. 378 00:18:42,589 --> 00:18:44,191 ROBERT YOUNGDAHL: And the questions that were asked 379 00:18:44,291 --> 00:18:46,959 were not, well, if you've got a manufacturing 380 00:18:47,059 --> 00:18:48,595 facility, where is it? 381 00:18:48,695 --> 00:18:50,197 And how long have you been making cars? 382 00:18:50,297 --> 00:18:51,398 And who are your engineers? 383 00:18:51,498 --> 00:18:53,099 I mean, not the tough questions-- the questions 384 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,735 were basically, well, Liz, we're behind you. 385 00:18:55,835 --> 00:18:57,604 And where can I send my money? 386 00:18:57,704 --> 00:18:59,138 It was just so exciting. 387 00:18:59,239 --> 00:19:00,207 And it was unbelievable. 388 00:19:00,307 --> 00:19:02,809 We used to get mails sacks full of mail 389 00:19:02,909 --> 00:19:06,112 dragged into that office almost every day. 390 00:19:06,213 --> 00:19:08,047 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): News of Liz and her infamous car 391 00:19:08,147 --> 00:19:09,916 spread across the country, and soon 392 00:19:10,016 --> 00:19:14,554 she was being interviewed by Newsweek and People Magazine. 393 00:19:14,654 --> 00:19:17,357 Back at Liz's headquarters in Encino, California, 394 00:19:17,457 --> 00:19:20,727 the authorities began to question her claims. 395 00:19:20,827 --> 00:19:23,596 I'd like to see Liz Carmichael. 396 00:19:23,696 --> 00:19:25,298 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The California Department 397 00:19:25,398 --> 00:19:27,667 of Corporations accused Liz of illegally 398 00:19:27,767 --> 00:19:30,303 selling both dealer franchises, and cars 399 00:19:30,403 --> 00:19:31,504 that did not yet exist. 400 00:19:31,604 --> 00:19:32,472 Department of Corporations. 401 00:19:32,572 --> 00:19:34,073 How do you do? 402 00:19:34,173 --> 00:19:35,908 I have a desist and refrain order, 403 00:19:36,008 --> 00:19:39,312 issued against the 20th Century Motor Car Corporation. 404 00:19:39,412 --> 00:19:41,581 It orders 20th Century to desist and refrain 405 00:19:41,681 --> 00:19:45,552 from the further offer and sale of securities. 406 00:19:45,652 --> 00:19:47,787 Thank you. 407 00:19:47,887 --> 00:19:49,722 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The Department of Motor Vehicles 408 00:19:49,822 --> 00:19:52,659 discovered the company had no state permit to manufacture 409 00:19:52,759 --> 00:19:55,027 cars, and even questioned whether the lab was 410 00:19:55,127 --> 00:19:57,196 developing a vehicle at all. 411 00:19:57,297 --> 00:19:59,098 We went to the research and development lab, 412 00:19:59,198 --> 00:20:02,068 and observed what appeared to be people appearing to be busy, 413 00:20:02,168 --> 00:20:04,904 but in wandering through the lab, 414 00:20:05,004 --> 00:20:07,240 I saw no evidence that they were designing a vehicle, 415 00:20:07,340 --> 00:20:09,576 or in the process of making a vehicle. 416 00:20:09,676 --> 00:20:12,111 GERRY MCGUINESS: Everyone in the research and development lab, 417 00:20:12,211 --> 00:20:14,981 without a doubt, was sincere-- believed in the car. 418 00:20:15,081 --> 00:20:18,918 And there was even talk, if the company should fold, 419 00:20:19,018 --> 00:20:20,720 there was a group of us that wanted to get together 420 00:20:20,820 --> 00:20:22,021 and continue with the car. 421 00:20:22,121 --> 00:20:23,490 We believed that much in the car. 422 00:20:27,827 --> 00:20:28,895 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Bill Hall 423 00:20:28,995 --> 00:20:30,563 went to check out the three hangars 424 00:20:30,663 --> 00:20:32,965 where Liz claimed she was gearing up to make the cars. 425 00:20:38,137 --> 00:20:39,939 BILL HALL: I went to this airport. 426 00:20:40,039 --> 00:20:41,741 Upon entering, I discovered the factory 427 00:20:41,841 --> 00:20:44,711 were nothing-- the hangars were absolutely empty. 428 00:20:44,811 --> 00:20:48,915 No tools, no machinery, nothing but a little dirt on the floor. 429 00:20:49,015 --> 00:20:51,751 They had rented this for only one month, 430 00:20:51,851 --> 00:20:53,920 and the rent had now expired. 431 00:20:54,020 --> 00:20:56,122 So they actually did not have a factory that they 432 00:20:56,222 --> 00:20:57,056 were representing they had. 433 00:21:00,393 --> 00:21:02,228 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): With the authorities closing in, 434 00:21:02,329 --> 00:21:04,897 Liz decided it was time to move her headquarters to Dallas. 435 00:21:09,469 --> 00:21:13,039 But there, two and a half weeks later, the district attorney 436 00:21:13,139 --> 00:21:15,875 filed criminal charges against Elizabeth Carmichael 437 00:21:15,975 --> 00:21:18,177 for grand theft. 438 00:21:18,277 --> 00:21:21,080 One week later, Bill Hall went to the research and development 439 00:21:21,180 --> 00:21:23,783 lab with a search warrant. 440 00:21:23,883 --> 00:21:25,752 BILL HALL: Upon inspection of this vehicle, 441 00:21:25,852 --> 00:21:28,087 it was not a viable vehicle at all-- 442 00:21:28,187 --> 00:21:33,092 it had no engine, two by fours were holding up the rear wheel. 443 00:21:33,192 --> 00:21:35,695 The accelerator was just sitting on the floor-- 444 00:21:35,795 --> 00:21:37,930 it wasn't even attached. 445 00:21:38,030 --> 00:21:40,132 The windows were not safety glass, 446 00:21:40,232 --> 00:21:42,234 they would bend back and forth. 447 00:21:42,335 --> 00:21:45,838 The doors were put on by a regular door hinges-- 448 00:21:45,938 --> 00:21:48,307 like one might find on a house door. 449 00:21:48,408 --> 00:21:50,643 The vehicle just absolutely did not exist. 450 00:21:54,146 --> 00:21:55,548 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Armed with a search 451 00:21:55,648 --> 00:21:58,518 warrant, the Dallas police arrived at Liz's home. 452 00:21:58,618 --> 00:22:00,520 Ms. Carmichael? 453 00:22:00,620 --> 00:22:02,889 Police officers. 454 00:22:02,989 --> 00:22:04,357 We have a warrant. 455 00:22:07,394 --> 00:22:08,761 Police officers, ma'am. 456 00:22:08,861 --> 00:22:10,096 Ms. Carmichael? 457 00:22:13,633 --> 00:22:14,734 Police officers. 458 00:22:20,707 --> 00:22:22,609 What do you make of this? [inaudible] 459 00:22:22,709 --> 00:22:23,510 [knocking] 460 00:22:23,610 --> 00:22:24,611 Ms. Carmichael? 461 00:22:24,711 --> 00:22:26,078 We have a warrant. 462 00:22:26,178 --> 00:22:28,147 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The police searched the house. 463 00:22:28,247 --> 00:22:30,817 It appeared Liz and her five children had left in a hurry. 464 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:35,955 God-- will you look at this stuff? 465 00:22:36,055 --> 00:22:37,524 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Looking through Liz's 466 00:22:37,624 --> 00:22:40,960 belongings, the police found evidence that Liz Carmichael 467 00:22:41,060 --> 00:22:43,029 was not what she seemed. 468 00:22:43,129 --> 00:22:44,731 What do you got there? 469 00:22:44,831 --> 00:22:46,966 Looks like some kind of padded girdle. 470 00:22:47,066 --> 00:22:48,367 This is incredible. 471 00:22:48,468 --> 00:22:49,368 Mrs. Carmichael? 472 00:22:52,338 --> 00:22:53,673 I don't know. 473 00:22:53,773 --> 00:22:57,276 You know, we better call this stuff in. 474 00:22:57,376 --> 00:22:59,879 OK, c'mon. 475 00:22:59,979 --> 00:23:01,313 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Nine weeks later, 476 00:23:01,414 --> 00:23:03,683 Liz Carmichael was discovered living in Miami 477 00:23:03,783 --> 00:23:06,018 with her five children. 478 00:23:06,118 --> 00:23:08,054 A neighbor recognized her from a news photo 479 00:23:08,154 --> 00:23:09,522 and called the authorities. 480 00:23:12,158 --> 00:23:14,360 She was working for a dating service, and going by the name 481 00:23:14,461 --> 00:23:17,229 was Susan Raines. 482 00:23:17,329 --> 00:23:18,898 They also learned that Liz Carmichael 483 00:23:18,998 --> 00:23:20,366 had another identity. 484 00:23:24,236 --> 00:23:29,341 She was really a man-- Gerry Dean Michael. 485 00:23:29,442 --> 00:23:31,143 Michael claimed he had begun hormone 486 00:23:31,243 --> 00:23:34,547 treatments in preparation for a sex change operation. 487 00:23:34,647 --> 00:23:36,282 It was later learned that Michael was wanted 488 00:23:36,382 --> 00:23:39,886 by the federal authorities for counterfeiting in 1961, 489 00:23:39,986 --> 00:23:43,089 and jumping bail in 1962. 490 00:23:43,189 --> 00:23:47,660 We had no doubt that this was a woman. 491 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,462 You just didn't question it. 492 00:23:49,562 --> 00:23:51,430 You just didn't question it. 493 00:23:51,531 --> 00:23:53,566 I never thought that Liz was a man. 494 00:23:53,666 --> 00:23:55,201 I always thought that-- and she is, 495 00:23:55,301 --> 00:23:58,471 today, she's still Liz to me. Still a female. 496 00:24:02,008 --> 00:24:03,442 Ms. Carmichael? 497 00:24:03,543 --> 00:24:05,978 We have a warrant for your arrest. 498 00:24:06,078 --> 00:24:07,113 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): On April 499 00:24:07,213 --> 00:24:10,382 the 12th, 1975, Gerry Dean Michael, 500 00:24:10,483 --> 00:24:14,621 alias Geraldine Elizabeth Carmichael, was arrested. 501 00:24:14,721 --> 00:24:16,489 She was extradited to Los Angeles, 502 00:24:16,589 --> 00:24:19,425 where she went on trial. 503 00:24:19,526 --> 00:24:22,695 Liz, you know, arrived in court, every day, 504 00:24:22,795 --> 00:24:24,964 in miniskirts. 505 00:24:25,064 --> 00:24:27,199 Now here is somebody who's over 200 pounds, 506 00:24:27,299 --> 00:24:33,172 and over 6 feet tall, and has a demeanor of I 507 00:24:33,272 --> 00:24:35,875 am a new Henry Ford. 508 00:24:35,975 --> 00:24:39,411 It was rather bizarre. 509 00:24:39,512 --> 00:24:43,049 You can say that Liz did not give one quarter in the course 510 00:24:43,149 --> 00:24:46,052 of the trial-- there was never once 511 00:24:46,152 --> 00:24:51,558 when Liz gave up her possession that the people who supported 512 00:24:51,658 --> 00:24:53,993 her would vindicate her. 513 00:24:54,093 --> 00:24:55,695 Why did you tell the public that that car 514 00:24:55,795 --> 00:25:00,767 could go 70 miles an hour, and still get 70 miles per gallon? 515 00:25:00,867 --> 00:25:03,035 Because it can, sir. 516 00:25:03,135 --> 00:25:06,172 This car is the car of the future, sir. 517 00:25:06,272 --> 00:25:09,308 Without all these trial proceedings, 518 00:25:09,408 --> 00:25:12,311 this car would now be in production. 519 00:25:12,411 --> 00:25:15,948 Well, then why did you collect $19.95 from over 5,000 people, 520 00:25:16,048 --> 00:25:18,017 when there was no car existing? 521 00:25:18,117 --> 00:25:20,653 The car has yet to roll off the line? 522 00:25:20,753 --> 00:25:22,154 As soon as the car rolls off the line, 523 00:25:22,254 --> 00:25:23,990 the cars will be delivered. 524 00:25:24,090 --> 00:25:27,093 As soon as this thing is over, we will be rolling. 525 00:25:27,193 --> 00:25:29,095 GERRY MCGUINESS: The idea was valid-- it was sound. 526 00:25:29,195 --> 00:25:30,496 It could be done today. 527 00:25:30,597 --> 00:25:31,931 It could still go back in production, 528 00:25:32,031 --> 00:25:33,800 it still would be a great car. 529 00:25:33,900 --> 00:25:35,301 There's no doubt about it. 530 00:25:35,401 --> 00:25:37,503 If she were to walk in this room and say, let's go again, 531 00:25:37,604 --> 00:25:40,372 I'd go right with her. 532 00:25:40,472 --> 00:25:43,475 Has the jury reached its verdict? 533 00:25:43,576 --> 00:25:45,477 JURY FOREMAN: Yes, we have, your honor. 534 00:25:45,578 --> 00:25:48,147 JUDGE: What is your verdict? 535 00:25:48,247 --> 00:25:51,450 We find the defendant guilty. 536 00:25:51,550 --> 00:25:53,886 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): On January 24, 1977, 537 00:25:53,986 --> 00:25:55,988 Carmichael was convicted of conspiracy, 538 00:25:56,088 --> 00:25:57,924 grand theft, and fraud. 539 00:25:58,024 --> 00:26:00,326 She was released on $50,000 bail, which 540 00:26:00,426 --> 00:26:01,961 was paid by a prominent television 541 00:26:02,061 --> 00:26:05,264 production company in exchange for the rights to her story. 542 00:26:05,364 --> 00:26:08,367 For four years, Liz appealed her conviction. 543 00:26:08,467 --> 00:26:10,870 Finally, in 1980, she failed to show up 544 00:26:10,970 --> 00:26:14,240 in court for sentencing, and Liz Carmichael and her five 545 00:26:14,340 --> 00:26:16,108 children vanished again. 546 00:26:16,208 --> 00:26:19,712 They have not been seen for over eight years. 547 00:26:19,812 --> 00:26:22,615 If I were Liz, I would be living as a man. 548 00:26:22,715 --> 00:26:26,318 Because all of this publicity, and all of these victims, 549 00:26:26,418 --> 00:26:28,387 know Liz as a woman. 550 00:26:28,487 --> 00:26:30,890 So I can't see how anybody could now 551 00:26:30,990 --> 00:26:33,259 imagine, with the passage of the years, 552 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,227 what Liz would look like. 553 00:26:35,327 --> 00:26:39,598 And if I were Liz, I think I would be a man. 554 00:26:39,699 --> 00:26:41,734 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): This is what Liz Carmichael looked 555 00:26:41,834 --> 00:26:46,172 like is a man in 1960-- and using the FBI computers to age 556 00:26:46,272 --> 00:26:49,676 his appearance, how he may look today. 557 00:26:49,776 --> 00:26:54,380 This is Liz Carmichael dressed as a woman in 1975, 558 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:55,982 and how she may look today. 559 00:26:59,185 --> 00:27:01,988 Update, within minutes of our broadcast, 560 00:27:02,088 --> 00:27:04,056 our telecenter received a tip from a viewer 561 00:27:04,156 --> 00:27:06,458 who recognized Liz Carmichael as a flower 562 00:27:06,558 --> 00:27:09,128 vendor named Katherine Johnson. 563 00:27:09,228 --> 00:27:12,198 Curiously, she had chosen a small community of Dale, Texas, 564 00:27:12,298 --> 00:27:13,833 as their new home. 565 00:27:13,933 --> 00:27:17,103 Shortly thereafter, Elizabeth Carmichael, a.k.a. 566 00:27:17,203 --> 00:27:20,807 Gerry Dean Michael, was arrested at her home. 567 00:27:20,907 --> 00:27:22,541 Eight years after she jumped bail, 568 00:27:22,641 --> 00:27:25,311 Carmichael was returned to California to face sentencing 569 00:27:25,411 --> 00:27:27,446 for her prior conviction. 570 00:27:27,546 --> 00:27:30,783 A judge reimposed a sentence of one to 10 years. 571 00:27:30,883 --> 00:27:32,551 Carmichael served two and a half years, 572 00:27:32,651 --> 00:27:34,486 and was released from prison. 573 00:27:34,586 --> 00:27:36,422 She is currently living as a private citizen 574 00:27:36,522 --> 00:27:37,824 in an undisclosed location. 575 00:27:52,471 --> 00:27:54,306 [theme music] 576 00:27:55,908 --> 00:27:57,576 On a previous broadcast, we examined 577 00:27:57,676 --> 00:28:00,346 the case of 72-year-old Annie Laurie Hearin, 578 00:28:00,446 --> 00:28:02,749 wife of Robert Hearin Sr., one of the wealthiest 579 00:28:02,849 --> 00:28:04,416 men in Mississippi. 580 00:28:04,516 --> 00:28:07,619 On the afternoon of July the 26th, 1988, 581 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,421 Mrs. Hearin was abducted from her home 582 00:28:09,521 --> 00:28:11,423 in Jackson, Mississippi. 583 00:28:11,523 --> 00:28:14,426 The kidnapper left behind a bizarre ransom note, 584 00:28:14,526 --> 00:28:16,328 demanding that Robert Hearin pay money 585 00:28:16,428 --> 00:28:18,630 to 12 people, who had all been sued 586 00:28:18,731 --> 00:28:20,466 by a company he controlled. 587 00:28:23,535 --> 00:28:25,872 Neighbors reported seeing a suspicious white van 588 00:28:25,972 --> 00:28:29,508 with Florida license plates driving by the Hearin home, 589 00:28:29,608 --> 00:28:33,746 just before Annie Laurie was kidnapped. 590 00:28:33,846 --> 00:28:35,514 Robert Hearin held a press conference 591 00:28:35,614 --> 00:28:37,083 on the steps of his home, to make 592 00:28:37,183 --> 00:28:41,888 a personal plea to the kidnapper for his wife's safety. 593 00:28:41,988 --> 00:28:46,158 My children and I appeal to whomever has my wife, 594 00:28:46,258 --> 00:28:50,062 that they may safe-- that she may be safely returned to us. 595 00:28:50,162 --> 00:28:52,564 Thank you. 596 00:28:52,664 --> 00:28:53,766 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Eight days 597 00:28:53,866 --> 00:28:55,601 after the press conference, Robert Hearin 598 00:28:55,701 --> 00:28:58,270 received a letter, postmarked Atlanta, Georgia. 599 00:28:58,370 --> 00:29:01,140 He recognized the handwriting as his wife's. 600 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,574 ANNIE HEARIN (VOICEOVER): Bob, if you don't 601 00:29:02,674 --> 00:29:04,811 do what these people want you to do, 602 00:29:04,911 --> 00:29:07,479 they're going to seal me up in the cellar of this house 603 00:29:07,579 --> 00:29:09,882 with only a few jugs of water. 604 00:29:09,982 --> 00:29:10,817 Please save me. 605 00:29:13,719 --> 00:29:15,454 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Robert Hearin sent out checks 606 00:29:15,554 --> 00:29:17,824 totaling nearly $1 million to the people 607 00:29:17,924 --> 00:29:19,725 named on the kidnapper's list. 608 00:29:19,826 --> 00:29:22,128 He never again heard from the kidnapper, 609 00:29:22,228 --> 00:29:23,195 or from Annie Laurie. 610 00:29:26,498 --> 00:29:29,168 Update-- last month, Newton Alfred Wynn, 611 00:29:29,268 --> 00:29:32,304 a 65-year-old lawyer, was arrested by the FBI 612 00:29:32,404 --> 00:29:34,706 in Florida, on charges relating to the abduction 613 00:29:34,807 --> 00:29:36,575 of Annie Laurie Hearin. 614 00:29:36,675 --> 00:29:38,878 Wynn was one of the 12 men named in the ransom 615 00:29:38,978 --> 00:29:41,047 note left at the Hearin home. 616 00:29:41,147 --> 00:29:43,449 Also, less than one month before the kidnapping, 617 00:29:43,549 --> 00:29:45,384 he had allegedly purchased a van which 618 00:29:45,484 --> 00:29:47,619 matched the description of the vehicle seen 619 00:29:47,719 --> 00:29:50,056 in the Hearin neighborhood. 620 00:29:50,156 --> 00:29:52,458 The woman told the FBI that Wynn had promised her 621 00:29:52,558 --> 00:29:55,527 $500 to travel from Florida to Atlanta, Georgia, 622 00:29:55,627 --> 00:29:58,664 and mail a letter for him, just 16 days after Annie 623 00:29:58,764 --> 00:30:00,632 Laurie Hearin was kidnapped. 624 00:30:00,732 --> 00:30:02,668 He handed her a manila envelope. 625 00:30:02,768 --> 00:30:06,138 Inside was the letter, wrapped in a gray linen napkin. 626 00:30:06,238 --> 00:30:09,175 Wynn instructed her not to look at or touch the letter. 627 00:30:09,275 --> 00:30:10,910 But to deposit the letter in a mail slot, 628 00:30:11,010 --> 00:30:13,745 she had to ease the napkin off, and she was able to observe 629 00:30:13,846 --> 00:30:15,747 the writing on the envelope. 630 00:30:15,848 --> 00:30:18,150 Later, she identified a photograph of the envelope 631 00:30:18,250 --> 00:30:20,386 Robert Hearin had received from his wife, 632 00:30:20,486 --> 00:30:22,554 as the one she had mailed in Atlanta. 633 00:30:48,214 --> 00:30:50,382 ROBERT HEARIN JR: I think of my mama all the time, 634 00:30:50,482 --> 00:30:53,652 and I'm sure my daddy does, too. 635 00:30:53,752 --> 00:30:57,689 There's no real way to quantify what this-- how enormous 636 00:30:57,789 --> 00:31:00,059 a tragedy and ordeal this has been to him, 637 00:31:00,159 --> 00:31:01,460 and to the rest of the family. 638 00:31:10,369 --> 00:31:12,038 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): In 1983, Terry McClure 639 00:31:12,138 --> 00:31:13,505 was discovered murdered. 640 00:31:13,605 --> 00:31:15,574 Her son, Tim, was a key suspect. 641 00:31:15,674 --> 00:31:18,477 When he took a polygraph test, he flunked. 642 00:31:18,577 --> 00:31:20,046 Tonight, he tells why. 643 00:31:25,417 --> 00:31:26,752 [theme music] 644 00:31:29,255 --> 00:31:31,523 This is the Unsolved Mysteries telephone center, where 645 00:31:31,623 --> 00:31:33,825 viewers call with information. 646 00:31:33,926 --> 00:31:36,595 They also call with suggestions for stories. 647 00:31:36,695 --> 00:31:39,966 Six months ago we received a highly unusual call. 648 00:31:40,066 --> 00:31:42,868 It came from a man who is a leading suspect in the murder 649 00:31:42,969 --> 00:31:43,735 of his own mother. 650 00:31:47,906 --> 00:31:50,509 38-year-old Tim McClure lived with his mother, Terry, 651 00:31:50,609 --> 00:31:53,245 off and on throughout his 20s. 652 00:31:53,345 --> 00:31:54,713 Tim and his mother were often seen 653 00:31:54,813 --> 00:31:57,216 together around town, gambling at the slot machines, 654 00:31:57,316 --> 00:31:58,517 or dining out. 655 00:31:58,617 --> 00:32:00,519 Even after Tim moved away from Reno, 656 00:32:00,619 --> 00:32:03,022 he remained close to Terry. 657 00:32:03,122 --> 00:32:05,924 She'd do anything for anybody. 658 00:32:06,025 --> 00:32:08,127 She'd-- you know-- give the shirt off her back, 659 00:32:08,227 --> 00:32:09,795 or her last nickel to anybody. 660 00:32:09,895 --> 00:32:13,799 She was just-- she was just a real kind-hearted woman. 661 00:32:13,899 --> 00:32:18,704 Very gentle-- she was just a very calm person. 662 00:32:18,804 --> 00:32:20,672 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): In 1983, Terry McClure was 663 00:32:20,772 --> 00:32:23,042 62 years old and living alone. 664 00:32:23,142 --> 00:32:24,843 She was thrilled when Tim called to tell her 665 00:32:24,943 --> 00:32:26,312 he was getting married. 666 00:32:26,412 --> 00:32:28,380 His wedding took place on Friday, January 667 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,250 the 14th, 1983 at Lake Tahoe, Nevada. 668 00:32:33,219 --> 00:32:35,954 TIM MCCLURE: I was totally ecstatic. 669 00:32:36,055 --> 00:32:38,524 I mean, a person waits all their life to get married, 670 00:32:38,624 --> 00:32:41,293 and it's, you know, the big moment in their life. 671 00:32:41,393 --> 00:32:44,130 You know, it wasn't an elaborate wedding, 672 00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:47,533 but to me it was the big moment. 673 00:32:47,633 --> 00:32:51,637 And it was great. 674 00:32:51,737 --> 00:32:52,971 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The newlyweds 675 00:32:53,072 --> 00:32:56,208 and their parents celebrated by doing a little gambling. 676 00:32:56,308 --> 00:32:58,444 Then, around 10 o'clock in the evening, 677 00:32:58,544 --> 00:33:02,448 Tim left to walk his mother to her car. 678 00:33:02,548 --> 00:33:04,483 Terry planned to drive straight home to Reno, 679 00:33:04,583 --> 00:33:07,753 about an hour's drive from Lake Tahoe. 680 00:33:07,853 --> 00:33:09,155 Tim told her that he and his wife 681 00:33:09,255 --> 00:33:10,956 would stop by to visit the next day. 682 00:33:16,062 --> 00:33:18,230 When the newlyweds went to visit Terry at 6:00 PM 683 00:33:18,330 --> 00:33:21,467 the next evening, they noticed signs that she was not at home. 684 00:33:30,042 --> 00:33:31,210 Wow, this is strange. 685 00:33:31,310 --> 00:33:33,045 I wonder why she didn't take the paper in this morning. 686 00:33:33,145 --> 00:33:37,015 It just appeared as though she hadn't been home. 687 00:33:37,116 --> 00:33:39,851 And it was at that point I just had the strangest feeling 688 00:33:39,951 --> 00:33:41,487 that something was wrong. 689 00:33:41,587 --> 00:33:45,257 I didn't know, but it just-- I knew she hadn't been home. 690 00:33:45,357 --> 00:33:48,527 And to me, that was real odd and strange, 691 00:33:48,627 --> 00:33:52,798 because there I was, you know, on my honeymoon, 692 00:33:52,898 --> 00:33:56,668 there to get married, and she'd taken time off of work. 693 00:33:56,768 --> 00:34:03,409 And did not find her at home-- I just, I couldn't understand it. 694 00:34:03,509 --> 00:34:05,311 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Tim call various family members 695 00:34:05,411 --> 00:34:06,878 and friends of his mother. 696 00:34:06,978 --> 00:34:09,115 No one had seen or heard from Terry. 697 00:34:09,215 --> 00:34:11,683 So he called the police. 698 00:34:11,783 --> 00:34:16,088 Yes, I'd like to report a missing person. 699 00:34:16,188 --> 00:34:17,856 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Three days later, on Monday, 700 00:34:17,956 --> 00:34:20,459 January the 17th, Terry McClure's car 701 00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:22,294 was found in the parking lot of a Carson 702 00:34:22,394 --> 00:34:25,497 City, Nevada casino-- only a half hour's drive 703 00:34:25,597 --> 00:34:27,766 outside Lake Tahoe. 704 00:34:27,866 --> 00:34:31,002 The keys were in the ignition, the doors were locked, 705 00:34:31,103 --> 00:34:34,706 and Terry McClure was sitting in the front seat, dead. 706 00:34:34,806 --> 00:34:36,508 She had been shot twice in the head. 707 00:34:38,610 --> 00:34:39,978 The day after they found the body, 708 00:34:40,078 --> 00:34:43,149 Carson City detectives questioned Tim. 709 00:34:43,249 --> 00:34:44,916 He was shocked when they asked him if he wanted 710 00:34:45,016 --> 00:34:46,585 to have an attorney present. 711 00:34:46,685 --> 00:34:51,490 But slowly it dawned on Tim that he was considered a suspect. 712 00:34:51,590 --> 00:34:52,924 TIM MCCLURE: started to feel like a victim. 713 00:34:53,024 --> 00:34:54,993 And I thought, why should I have an attorney? 714 00:34:55,093 --> 00:34:56,762 You know, I mean, this is my mother's death-- 715 00:34:56,862 --> 00:34:59,631 you should be investigating it on another level, 716 00:34:59,731 --> 00:35:02,601 rather than thinking of me as doing it-- which, I found out, 717 00:35:02,701 --> 00:35:05,471 they were looking towards me. I couldn't understand why. 718 00:35:05,571 --> 00:35:08,640 I started to feel like the victim. 719 00:35:08,740 --> 00:35:12,043 And it just--it didn't make sense. 720 00:35:12,144 --> 00:35:13,545 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Tim told the police 721 00:35:13,645 --> 00:35:15,214 that after he'd walked his mother to her car 722 00:35:15,314 --> 00:35:17,616 at 10:00 PM on the night of his wedding, 723 00:35:17,716 --> 00:35:19,151 he'd returned immediately to the casino. 724 00:35:24,456 --> 00:35:26,758 Tim said his wife was still gambling with her parents, 725 00:35:26,858 --> 00:35:30,962 so he gambled alone for two hours, then rejoined his wife. 726 00:35:31,062 --> 00:35:34,700 They went out dancing till dawn. 727 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,668 Police have not been able to substantiate 728 00:35:36,768 --> 00:35:40,906 Tim's or his wife's whereabouts that night. 729 00:35:41,006 --> 00:35:44,075 Although they couldn't provide specific locations where they 730 00:35:44,176 --> 00:35:48,447 went, we made every attempt to determine which bar 731 00:35:48,547 --> 00:35:50,716 or which dance hall they had gone to that night, 732 00:35:50,816 --> 00:35:52,318 and we were unsuccessful. 733 00:35:52,418 --> 00:35:55,721 They indicated that they partied from approximately midnight 734 00:35:55,821 --> 00:35:58,724 until 6:00 AM the following morning. 735 00:35:58,824 --> 00:36:01,560 None of which we were able to substantiate, 736 00:36:01,660 --> 00:36:03,495 one way or another. 737 00:36:03,595 --> 00:36:05,297 So we kind of went on what he said. 738 00:36:08,300 --> 00:36:09,868 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Tim also told the police 739 00:36:09,968 --> 00:36:12,604 that two days before his mother's body was discovered, 740 00:36:12,704 --> 00:36:15,974 he'd searched the main highway between Lake Tahoe and Reno. 741 00:36:16,074 --> 00:36:18,510 The police became suspicious when Tim said he was 742 00:36:18,610 --> 00:36:22,281 looking for his mother's purse. 743 00:36:22,381 --> 00:36:24,182 SCOTT BURAU: You know, we, again, found it odd 744 00:36:24,283 --> 00:36:28,387 that he would attempt to retrace his mother's steps 745 00:36:28,487 --> 00:36:30,021 for the purpose of finding something 746 00:36:30,121 --> 00:36:32,391 that nobody knew was missing. 747 00:36:32,491 --> 00:36:36,895 On the 16th, nobody had any idea her purse was missing. 748 00:36:36,995 --> 00:36:40,699 But he felt a specific need to go out and look for that purse. 749 00:36:40,799 --> 00:36:43,335 Yeah, oddly enough, she was found 750 00:36:43,435 --> 00:36:45,136 with only her purse missing. 751 00:36:45,237 --> 00:36:48,106 She was fully clothed, had all her jewelry. 752 00:36:48,206 --> 00:36:50,376 The only thing missing was her purse. 753 00:36:50,476 --> 00:36:52,278 They put together the fact that I 754 00:36:52,378 --> 00:36:54,613 said I was looking for-- some evidence of her purse 755 00:36:54,713 --> 00:36:56,382 along the side of the highway. 756 00:36:56,482 --> 00:37:00,519 And the only reason I said that was because my older sister 757 00:37:00,619 --> 00:37:02,120 had put the idea that maybe somebody 758 00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:06,224 had commandeered her vehicle, and stolen her purse. 759 00:37:06,325 --> 00:37:07,526 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Tim also drove 760 00:37:07,626 --> 00:37:09,295 through the parking lots of the casinos 761 00:37:09,395 --> 00:37:11,162 along his mother's route. 762 00:37:11,263 --> 00:37:13,365 He proceeded at a slow crawl through the lots 763 00:37:13,465 --> 00:37:18,236 of every casino, except one. 764 00:37:18,337 --> 00:37:21,440 TIM MCCLURE: Sometimes you get a gut feeling-- 765 00:37:21,540 --> 00:37:24,576 you could, maybe, think of the Holy Spirit, 766 00:37:24,676 --> 00:37:29,014 if you will, just kind of guiding you through perhaps 767 00:37:29,114 --> 00:37:31,517 a feeling of keeping me away from there, 768 00:37:31,617 --> 00:37:33,552 to save me from finding her. 769 00:37:33,652 --> 00:37:35,354 I thank God I didn't find her. 770 00:37:35,454 --> 00:37:40,992 That would have destroyed me to find her. 771 00:37:41,092 --> 00:37:42,628 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): That casino parking lot 772 00:37:42,728 --> 00:37:44,463 was the very spot where Terry McClure's 773 00:37:44,563 --> 00:37:47,533 body would be found two days later, on Monday, January 774 00:37:47,633 --> 00:37:49,568 the 17th. 775 00:37:49,668 --> 00:37:52,571 Police estimated that Terry had been dead since Friday, 776 00:37:52,671 --> 00:37:56,408 the night of Tim's wedding. 777 00:37:56,508 --> 00:37:59,378 Police are also puzzled by a call Tim made to cancel one 778 00:37:59,478 --> 00:38:02,047 of his mother's credit cards. 779 00:38:02,147 --> 00:38:04,249 Tim claimed you made the call and Monday, January 780 00:38:04,350 --> 00:38:07,986 the 17th, the day his mother's body was found. 781 00:38:08,086 --> 00:38:09,655 But the credit card company says he 782 00:38:09,755 --> 00:38:14,259 called on Friday, before his mother had disappeared. 783 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,363 TIM MCCLURE: I had reported her credit cards missing, 784 00:38:17,463 --> 00:38:20,031 thinking maybe that somebody had commandeered the vehicle, 785 00:38:20,131 --> 00:38:22,734 and that her purse might have possibly been missing. 786 00:38:22,834 --> 00:38:24,102 I called on Monday. 787 00:38:24,202 --> 00:38:27,739 The woman had written down that I called on Friday-- 788 00:38:27,839 --> 00:38:29,007 which I couldn't understand. 789 00:38:29,107 --> 00:38:30,442 It just didn't make any sense to me why she would mix 790 00:38:30,542 --> 00:38:33,345 up from a Monday to a Friday. 791 00:38:33,445 --> 00:38:35,414 The credit memo for that particular company 792 00:38:35,514 --> 00:38:38,016 is now in the possession of the Sheriff's office. 793 00:38:38,116 --> 00:38:41,620 And it clearly shows, according to their file, 794 00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:47,058 that Tim called, indicated to the recipient, 795 00:38:47,158 --> 00:38:49,060 that his mother was dead. 796 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,664 And the fact that his father was dead, and to please 797 00:38:52,764 --> 00:38:54,500 cancel the account. 798 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,502 TIM MCCLURE: It's just-- it's one of the strangest things 799 00:38:56,602 --> 00:38:57,869 I have ever heard of. 800 00:38:57,969 --> 00:39:00,238 Because I called on Monday, and how she could have mistaken 801 00:39:00,338 --> 00:39:02,808 that for a Friday, and then mixed 802 00:39:02,908 --> 00:39:04,976 up my words like that-- saying she had been murdered. 803 00:39:05,076 --> 00:39:06,277 I had no idea she'd been murdered. 804 00:39:06,378 --> 00:39:07,546 All I knew, she was missing. 805 00:39:07,646 --> 00:39:09,381 And that's what I told them. 806 00:39:09,481 --> 00:39:13,351 We have a credit memo, dated January 14. 807 00:39:13,452 --> 00:39:18,089 The lady that wrote that credit memo, in her own mind, 808 00:39:18,189 --> 00:39:21,527 is absolutely sure that's the date she received the phone 809 00:39:21,627 --> 00:39:26,331 call, from a person identifying himself as Tim McClure. 810 00:39:26,432 --> 00:39:27,533 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Six months 811 00:39:27,633 --> 00:39:29,300 before Terry McClure was murdered, 812 00:39:29,401 --> 00:39:33,972 she took out a $10,000 insurance policy on her life. 813 00:39:34,072 --> 00:39:37,976 Tim and one of his sisters were named as co-beneficiaries. 814 00:39:38,076 --> 00:39:39,411 TIM MCCLURE: I didn't think my mother would 815 00:39:39,511 --> 00:39:42,013 take out an insurance policy. 816 00:39:42,113 --> 00:39:43,615 It just wasn't like her. 817 00:39:43,715 --> 00:39:45,451 I mean, they're thinking that I, you know, 818 00:39:45,551 --> 00:39:47,886 did this for a reason. 819 00:39:47,986 --> 00:39:49,821 Which, my share is only $5,000. 820 00:39:49,921 --> 00:39:52,458 I mean, that's ridiculous. 821 00:39:52,558 --> 00:39:55,026 Well, I can't say that that is the absolute motive 822 00:39:55,126 --> 00:39:57,429 in this case, but, you know, I'm here 823 00:39:57,529 --> 00:40:01,600 to tell you that people have been killed for a lot less. 824 00:40:01,700 --> 00:40:02,834 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): On February 825 00:40:02,934 --> 00:40:05,871 the 14th, 1983, the Carson City police 826 00:40:05,971 --> 00:40:08,373 asked Tim and his wife to take a polygraph test. 827 00:40:11,142 --> 00:40:12,377 TIM MCCLURE: was completely cooperative. 828 00:40:12,478 --> 00:40:13,945 I, you know, had nothing to hide, 829 00:40:14,045 --> 00:40:15,180 no reason not to take one. 830 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,483 So, naturally, I said, sure, I'll take a polygraph. 831 00:40:17,583 --> 00:40:19,451 My wife agreed, too. 832 00:40:19,551 --> 00:40:24,255 So it was a strange situation-- when they were asking 833 00:40:24,355 --> 00:40:28,059 the questions, they made me close my eyes, 834 00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:30,295 being all wired up, I felt like I was 835 00:40:30,395 --> 00:40:33,131 an electric chair, a very hard, wood-armed chair, 836 00:40:33,231 --> 00:40:34,432 sitting there. 837 00:40:34,533 --> 00:40:36,401 And as they asked the question, there 838 00:40:36,502 --> 00:40:39,871 was, oh, it seemed like maybe a minute between each question, 839 00:40:39,971 --> 00:40:42,373 with my eyes closed. 840 00:40:42,474 --> 00:40:43,842 Just a number of things were just 841 00:40:43,942 --> 00:40:45,210 going around through my mind. 842 00:40:45,310 --> 00:40:47,913 At that point, that's when I started thinking, well, geez, 843 00:40:48,013 --> 00:40:50,949 what if they think I did it. 844 00:40:51,049 --> 00:40:52,918 I'd never taken a polygraph before, I 845 00:40:53,018 --> 00:40:54,586 didn't know how to react. 846 00:40:54,686 --> 00:40:58,524 And it was just a very awkward and uncomfortable situation 847 00:40:58,624 --> 00:41:00,158 for me. 848 00:41:00,258 --> 00:41:02,060 No. 849 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,330 The results of those polygraph examinations 850 00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:08,700 would strongly suggest deception on both the part of Timothy 851 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,402 McClure and his wife. 852 00:41:11,503 --> 00:41:14,472 They were both adamantly confronted 853 00:41:14,573 --> 00:41:19,678 about those deceptions, and in the interviews, 854 00:41:19,778 --> 00:41:21,146 they had no response. 855 00:41:21,246 --> 00:41:24,883 They could not respond to why the machine was telling them 856 00:41:24,983 --> 00:41:25,917 they were being deceptive. 857 00:41:26,017 --> 00:41:27,418 They had no answers. 858 00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:30,388 I don't know why, but I flunked the test. 859 00:41:30,488 --> 00:41:34,726 And my wife had flunked only one question, which didn't make 860 00:41:34,826 --> 00:41:37,462 any sense-- do you know who murdered Terry McClure was 861 00:41:37,563 --> 00:41:39,565 a question she was asked, and it appeared 862 00:41:39,665 --> 00:41:42,467 to be a lie when she said no. 863 00:41:42,568 --> 00:41:44,903 So it looked like she was trying to cover up. 864 00:41:45,003 --> 00:41:49,007 Which is unexplainable to me. 865 00:41:49,107 --> 00:41:51,042 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): All the circumstantial evidence was 866 00:41:51,142 --> 00:41:53,044 submitted to the Nevada DA, but he 867 00:41:53,144 --> 00:41:56,682 deemed it insufficient to arrest Tim McLure. 868 00:41:56,782 --> 00:41:59,150 Police questioned friends, family, and acquaintances 869 00:41:59,250 --> 00:42:01,019 of Tim and Terry. 870 00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:03,989 Their testimony indicated that Tim had been genuinely devoted 871 00:42:04,089 --> 00:42:06,257 to his mother, and they believed he would never 872 00:42:06,357 --> 00:42:09,260 have done anything to harm her. 873 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,630 TIM MCCLURE: mother was my best friend. 874 00:42:11,730 --> 00:42:14,399 I mean, all I could think of was taking care of my mother, 875 00:42:14,499 --> 00:42:15,634 you know, for the rest of her life, 876 00:42:15,734 --> 00:42:17,903 after she had taken care of me all my life. 877 00:42:18,003 --> 00:42:20,639 That's the one thing I wanted to do, was take care of my mother. 878 00:42:20,739 --> 00:42:21,640 And now I can't. 879 00:42:24,042 --> 00:42:25,944 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): This picture of Tim and his mother 880 00:42:26,044 --> 00:42:27,445 was taken at his wedding on January 881 00:42:27,545 --> 00:42:31,149 the 14th, 1983, the night she disappeared. 882 00:42:31,249 --> 00:42:33,418 Tim is hoping that someone who was in the casino, 883 00:42:33,518 --> 00:42:35,987 or the dance hall in Lake Tahoe that night, 884 00:42:36,087 --> 00:42:37,956 will remember him because of his long hair 885 00:42:38,056 --> 00:42:41,059 and his unusual height of 6 feet 5 inches. 886 00:42:41,159 --> 00:42:43,261 He wants his alibi with the night of his mother's 887 00:42:43,361 --> 00:42:46,331 murder to be substantiated. 888 00:42:46,431 --> 00:42:48,734 Perhaps somebody will come forward. 889 00:42:48,834 --> 00:42:50,135 Maybe they were afraid in the past. 890 00:42:50,235 --> 00:42:52,137 Maybe somebody saw something. 891 00:42:52,237 --> 00:42:55,540 There has to be somebody out there that had seen something 892 00:42:55,641 --> 00:42:57,075 that happened to my mother. 893 00:42:57,175 --> 00:43:00,445 You know, now would be a good time to come out with it. 894 00:43:14,092 --> 00:43:17,395 [theme music] 895 00:43:17,495 --> 00:43:22,668 Join me next week, for another edition of Unsolved Mysteries. 71567

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