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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,538 --> 00:00:07,175 ANNOUNCER: This program is about unsolved mysteries. 2 00:00:07,275 --> 00:00:09,277 Whenever possible, the actual family members 3 00:00:09,377 --> 00:00:11,245 and police officials have participated 4 00:00:11,345 --> 00:00:12,746 in recreating the events. 5 00:00:12,846 --> 00:00:15,449 What you are about to see is not a news broadcast. 6 00:00:20,388 --> 00:00:21,655 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): In 1970, 7 00:00:21,755 --> 00:00:26,394 Clarence Roberts was found dead in a fire, or was he? 8 00:00:26,494 --> 00:00:30,030 10 years later, another fire killed his wife. 9 00:00:30,131 --> 00:00:33,967 In the rubble, Clarence Roberts was found for the second time. 10 00:00:34,068 --> 00:00:36,304 How could a man die twice? 11 00:00:36,404 --> 00:00:39,873 Pretty 16-year-old Jenny Pratt hoped to become a model 12 00:00:39,973 --> 00:00:41,842 until tragically she and her boyfriend 13 00:00:41,942 --> 00:00:44,712 were viciously attacked on a deserted road. 14 00:00:44,812 --> 00:00:46,880 She was in a coma for three months 15 00:00:46,980 --> 00:00:50,984 and still has no memory of the attack or her attackers. 16 00:00:51,085 --> 00:00:53,287 In central Florida, a clumsy robber has 17 00:00:53,387 --> 00:00:55,689 successfully held up 30 banks. 18 00:00:55,789 --> 00:00:57,558 The police call him "Fumbles." 19 00:00:57,658 --> 00:00:59,860 He is still at large. 20 00:00:59,960 --> 00:01:03,331 On a quiet Saturday morning, Jack Quinn went to work 21 00:01:03,431 --> 00:01:06,834 and calmly walked off at $1.3 million. 22 00:01:06,934 --> 00:01:09,837 He seems to have committed the perfect crime. 23 00:01:09,937 --> 00:01:13,374 Perhaps tonight, you can help catch him. 24 00:01:13,474 --> 00:01:14,342 [theme music] 25 00:01:54,948 --> 00:01:57,050 For every mystery, there is someone 26 00:01:57,151 --> 00:01:59,420 somewhere who knows the truth. 27 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,189 Tonight, we'll tell you how our viewers 28 00:02:01,289 --> 00:02:02,956 helped capture a Tennessee man accused 29 00:02:03,056 --> 00:02:05,159 of murdering two teenage girls. 30 00:02:05,259 --> 00:02:07,161 10 years ago, he fled to Canada. 31 00:02:07,261 --> 00:02:09,730 After our broadcast, he's now in custody. 32 00:02:09,830 --> 00:02:11,098 Join me. 33 00:02:11,199 --> 00:02:15,436 You may be able to help solve a mystery. 34 00:02:15,536 --> 00:02:16,437 [theme music] 35 00:02:26,780 --> 00:02:28,782 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): During the spring of 1987, 36 00:02:28,882 --> 00:02:31,419 Jenny Pratt had hopes of becoming a model. 37 00:02:31,519 --> 00:02:34,422 She was pretty and popular and in her sophomore year 38 00:02:34,522 --> 00:02:37,625 at a Carlsbad, California, high school. 39 00:02:37,725 --> 00:02:39,593 But what mattered most to Jenny was 40 00:02:39,693 --> 00:02:43,731 her boyfriend, Curtis Croft. 41 00:02:43,831 --> 00:02:48,769 Jenny was only 16, and she was deeply in love with Curtis. 42 00:02:48,869 --> 00:02:51,104 He drove a Porsche, had plenty of money, 43 00:02:51,205 --> 00:02:53,474 and was a good-looking California surfer. 44 00:02:53,574 --> 00:02:57,311 But Curtis' glamorous facade had a darker side. 45 00:02:57,411 --> 00:02:58,912 DIANE STROM (VOICEOVER): I didn't really, really 46 00:02:59,012 --> 00:03:01,415 know what was going on until I'd say almost six 47 00:03:01,515 --> 00:03:03,251 months into the relationship when she said, 48 00:03:03,351 --> 00:03:04,885 Mom, I have a boyfriend. 49 00:03:04,985 --> 00:03:06,887 He's 17 years old. 50 00:03:06,987 --> 00:03:11,559 And I said, OK, and he really seemed like a pretty nice boy. 51 00:03:11,659 --> 00:03:15,529 In fact, he really did a good job snowing me. 52 00:03:15,629 --> 00:03:17,465 He looked 17. 53 00:03:17,565 --> 00:03:20,568 And further on down the road, I found out 54 00:03:20,668 --> 00:03:23,203 he had been in jail for drugs. 55 00:03:23,304 --> 00:03:28,942 And he was 24 years old, and just bad 56 00:03:29,042 --> 00:03:32,713 news for a 16-year-old kid. 57 00:03:32,813 --> 00:03:34,515 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Against her parents' wishes, 58 00:03:34,615 --> 00:03:37,418 Jenny went out with Curtis on the night of April the 25th, 59 00:03:37,518 --> 00:03:39,387 1987. 60 00:03:39,487 --> 00:03:40,654 He borrowed a friend's motorcycle 61 00:03:40,754 --> 00:03:42,756 and promised Jenny he would get her home 62 00:03:42,856 --> 00:03:46,093 before her midnight curfew. 63 00:03:46,193 --> 00:03:48,529 Jenny Pratt would never arrive home that night. 64 00:03:54,502 --> 00:03:56,637 Jennifer Pratt was brutally attacked that April night 65 00:03:56,737 --> 00:04:01,174 with my unusual weapon, a heavy board, six and 1/2 feet long. 66 00:04:01,275 --> 00:04:02,876 The police believed that her assailants 67 00:04:02,976 --> 00:04:04,211 may be local teenagers. 68 00:04:04,312 --> 00:04:06,046 But so far no one in that community 69 00:04:06,146 --> 00:04:08,349 will speak out to identify them. 70 00:04:08,449 --> 00:04:10,150 We will not know who attacked Jenny 71 00:04:10,250 --> 00:04:13,186 until someone has the courage to step forward with the truth. 72 00:04:17,925 --> 00:04:19,026 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): At 1:00 AM 73 00:04:19,126 --> 00:04:21,128 on the night of the incident, Jenny's parents 74 00:04:21,228 --> 00:04:23,063 received a telephone call. 75 00:04:23,163 --> 00:04:26,066 Their daughter had been airlifted to a nearby hospital. 76 00:04:26,166 --> 00:04:27,234 DIANE STROM (VOICEOVER): They said, 77 00:04:27,335 --> 00:04:28,536 your daughter's been in an accident. 78 00:04:28,636 --> 00:04:30,137 I So is she OK? 79 00:04:30,237 --> 00:04:31,405 And they wouldn't tell me anything. 80 00:04:31,505 --> 00:04:34,207 And they said, you have to come down. 81 00:04:34,308 --> 00:04:35,643 She's in Scripps in La Jolla. 82 00:04:35,743 --> 00:04:37,345 I didn't even know where it was. 83 00:04:37,445 --> 00:04:40,113 GARY STROM: Neither one of us realized why she would 84 00:04:40,213 --> 00:04:42,583 be going to Scripps Hospital. 85 00:04:42,683 --> 00:04:46,119 There's a hospital five minutes away. 86 00:04:46,219 --> 00:04:47,321 Oh my gosh. 87 00:04:47,421 --> 00:04:48,756 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Scripps Medical Center 88 00:04:48,856 --> 00:04:50,724 in La Jolla, California, is a renowned trauma 89 00:04:50,824 --> 00:04:53,761 center, which takes only the most severe cases. 90 00:04:53,861 --> 00:04:55,429 Her name is Jenny Pratt. 91 00:04:55,529 --> 00:04:56,330 Can we see her? 92 00:04:56,430 --> 00:04:57,598 No, you can't see her right now. 93 00:04:57,698 --> 00:04:58,899 The doctor's with her. 94 00:04:58,999 --> 00:05:00,000 Is she OK? 95 00:05:00,100 --> 00:05:02,135 I was asking a million questions. 96 00:05:02,235 --> 00:05:04,505 But I wasn't getting any answers. 97 00:05:04,605 --> 00:05:07,508 Finally, the nurse said, the doctor 98 00:05:07,608 --> 00:05:09,042 would like to talk to us. 99 00:05:09,142 --> 00:05:14,114 And he took us off into kind of a waiting room. 100 00:05:14,214 --> 00:05:16,016 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The doctor told Jenny's parents 101 00:05:16,116 --> 00:05:18,051 the worst possible news. 102 00:05:18,151 --> 00:05:21,922 Your daughter is brain-dead. 103 00:05:22,022 --> 00:05:25,726 And we don't expect her to live but two more hours. 104 00:05:25,826 --> 00:05:27,628 Jenny had received a very serious injury 105 00:05:27,728 --> 00:05:29,663 at the scene of the accident. 106 00:05:29,763 --> 00:05:31,699 The blow from the board that struck her 107 00:05:31,799 --> 00:05:34,402 was great enough to actually crush the skull. 108 00:05:34,502 --> 00:05:38,639 And that caused immediate shutdown of her brain. 109 00:05:38,739 --> 00:05:40,273 DIANE STROM: And then they said I could see her. 110 00:05:40,374 --> 00:05:43,744 And what I saw was horrible. 111 00:05:43,844 --> 00:05:47,147 Her hair was red from all the blood. 112 00:05:47,247 --> 00:05:50,117 She was bleeding out of her nose, her ears, her mouth. 113 00:05:50,217 --> 00:05:53,621 And she had tubes all over her. 114 00:05:53,721 --> 00:05:57,591 It was like her whole body was just distorted. 115 00:05:57,691 --> 00:05:59,292 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Miraculously, Jenny Pratt 116 00:05:59,393 --> 00:06:00,694 survived. 117 00:06:00,794 --> 00:06:02,630 But she lapsed into a deep coma. 118 00:06:05,733 --> 00:06:08,469 Our first involvement in the case was to examine 119 00:06:08,569 --> 00:06:10,438 the evidence that was found at the crime scene, 120 00:06:10,538 --> 00:06:13,373 which consisted of the two-by-four that was 121 00:06:13,474 --> 00:06:15,776 used to hit Jenny and Curtis. 122 00:06:15,876 --> 00:06:17,845 We examined that for physical evidence 123 00:06:17,945 --> 00:06:19,413 and didn't find any fingerprints. 124 00:06:19,513 --> 00:06:21,314 There was some blood stains on it, 125 00:06:21,415 --> 00:06:25,218 which were photographed and were determined to be Jenny's. 126 00:06:25,318 --> 00:06:26,720 Curtis was interviewed that same day 127 00:06:26,820 --> 00:06:28,522 at the Carlsbad Police Station. 128 00:06:28,622 --> 00:06:31,358 His account of what happened basically 129 00:06:31,459 --> 00:06:34,394 is that he was giving Jennifer a ride home. 130 00:06:34,495 --> 00:06:37,197 They were driving down Rancho Santa Fe Road, getting 131 00:06:37,297 --> 00:06:38,432 ready to make a left turn. 132 00:06:38,532 --> 00:06:41,735 I was just like going to approach that intersection, 133 00:06:41,835 --> 00:06:42,803 going pretty slow. 134 00:06:42,903 --> 00:06:44,505 And all of a sudden, something struck me. 135 00:06:44,605 --> 00:06:45,839 I just go, ow, what was that? 136 00:06:45,939 --> 00:06:48,776 It's like, it kind of hurt really bad. 137 00:06:48,876 --> 00:06:50,844 And then the car, the car went zooming by. 138 00:06:50,944 --> 00:06:52,446 And I went back, I turned around to tell Jenny, 139 00:06:52,546 --> 00:06:54,548 I go someone threw something at me or something. 140 00:06:54,648 --> 00:06:56,249 I don't know what happened. Something hit me. 141 00:06:56,349 --> 00:06:58,752 I was like, you know, I couldn't believe I got hurt. 142 00:06:58,852 --> 00:06:59,887 And she was out of it. 143 00:06:59,987 --> 00:07:02,089 And so I just go, oh my god, what's happening. 144 00:07:02,189 --> 00:07:03,991 We believed it was a case where 145 00:07:04,091 --> 00:07:06,093 a carload or a truckload of juveniles 146 00:07:06,193 --> 00:07:08,028 had committed this crime. 147 00:07:08,128 --> 00:07:10,631 Curtis was giving Jennifer a ride home. 148 00:07:10,731 --> 00:07:12,733 They had almost come to a complete stop 149 00:07:12,833 --> 00:07:16,369 when he realized that he'd been struck by a board 150 00:07:16,470 --> 00:07:18,472 and realized that Jenny had been struck by a board 151 00:07:18,572 --> 00:07:20,207 and had slumped against him. 152 00:07:20,307 --> 00:07:22,843 At the same time, the white pickup truck went by them 153 00:07:22,943 --> 00:07:24,812 at a high rate of speed. 154 00:07:24,912 --> 00:07:27,681 He had the impression that there was a large group of juveniles 155 00:07:27,781 --> 00:07:29,750 in the back of the pickup truck, that they 156 00:07:29,850 --> 00:07:31,519 were laughing as they went by. 157 00:07:31,619 --> 00:07:33,186 And his impression was that the board came 158 00:07:33,286 --> 00:07:35,422 flying from the pickup truck. 159 00:07:35,523 --> 00:07:38,058 Quite frankly, we expected it to be a crime that would have 160 00:07:38,158 --> 00:07:40,828 been solved just by the nature of juveniles 161 00:07:40,928 --> 00:07:42,530 have a tendency to talk. 162 00:07:42,630 --> 00:07:47,000 We felt it was very possible that in a short period of time, 163 00:07:47,100 --> 00:07:49,236 we would have identified who the suspects were. 164 00:07:49,336 --> 00:07:53,306 But to this date, we have yet to have anybody come up 165 00:07:53,406 --> 00:07:55,442 and supply us with any direct knowledge 166 00:07:55,543 --> 00:07:58,311 of what happened that night. 167 00:07:58,411 --> 00:07:59,479 I understand you're a friend of-- 168 00:07:59,580 --> 00:08:00,848 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Jenny's parents 169 00:08:00,948 --> 00:08:03,183 hired private investigator Louis Crisafi. 170 00:08:03,283 --> 00:08:06,954 He interviewed students at Jenny's high school. 171 00:08:07,054 --> 00:08:10,357 Basically all I can tell you is at that night that happened, 172 00:08:10,457 --> 00:08:11,625 it was not aimed at Jenny. 173 00:08:11,725 --> 00:08:12,626 It was aimed for Curtis. 174 00:08:12,726 --> 00:08:14,762 And nobody really knows who did it. 175 00:08:14,862 --> 00:08:16,129 I have a feeling I know who did it. 176 00:08:16,229 --> 00:08:18,532 But no one's really willing to say. 177 00:08:18,632 --> 00:08:19,833 There's no doubt that there were 178 00:08:19,933 --> 00:08:22,570 people because of Curtis' background that 179 00:08:22,670 --> 00:08:23,470 didn't like him. 180 00:08:23,571 --> 00:08:26,674 He was not a popular person. 181 00:08:26,774 --> 00:08:29,209 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): In 1985, Curtis Croft had been 182 00:08:29,309 --> 00:08:31,845 convicted for dealing cocaine. 183 00:08:31,945 --> 00:08:34,281 After cooperating with police investigators, 184 00:08:34,381 --> 00:08:36,984 he served less than half of his sentence. 185 00:08:37,084 --> 00:08:39,286 SGT. JIM BYLER: He developed the reputation as a snitch 186 00:08:39,386 --> 00:08:41,689 when he got himself in trouble. 187 00:08:41,789 --> 00:08:45,793 And young people, particularly young people involved in drugs, 188 00:08:45,893 --> 00:08:49,997 tend to look down on somebody who develops that reputation. 189 00:08:50,097 --> 00:08:51,498 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Police investigated 190 00:08:51,599 --> 00:08:54,101 a number of people who might have wanted to hurt Curtis. 191 00:08:54,201 --> 00:08:55,002 [knocking] 192 00:08:56,003 --> 00:08:57,337 Hey, get out here. 193 00:08:57,437 --> 00:08:59,006 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): They learned that Curtis 194 00:08:59,106 --> 00:09:00,608 had confronted one of his enemies on the night 195 00:09:00,708 --> 00:09:01,742 before the assault. 196 00:09:01,842 --> 00:09:03,010 CURTIS: You stole some stuff from my apartment 197 00:09:03,110 --> 00:09:04,111 the other night. 198 00:09:04,211 --> 00:09:04,812 I didn't steal anything from your apartment. 199 00:09:04,912 --> 00:09:05,946 CURTIS: Yeah, you did. 200 00:09:06,046 --> 00:09:07,014 You know exactly what I'm talking about, too. 201 00:09:07,114 --> 00:09:08,081 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Jenny's parents 202 00:09:08,181 --> 00:09:09,416 believe that the boy might have attacked 203 00:09:09,516 --> 00:09:11,619 Curtis and Jenny because of Curtis' threats against him. 204 00:09:11,719 --> 00:09:13,453 CURTIS: I'll go to the cops if I have to to get to you. 205 00:09:13,553 --> 00:09:15,188 Good. I'll talk to them, too. 206 00:09:15,288 --> 00:09:16,189 Yeah, you're busted, man. 207 00:09:16,289 --> 00:09:17,825 - No, I don't think so. - Yeah, you are. 208 00:09:17,925 --> 00:09:19,492 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The police investigation 209 00:09:19,593 --> 00:09:20,928 was stopped cold when Curtis claimed 210 00:09:21,028 --> 00:09:22,796 he could not identify the perpetrators 211 00:09:22,896 --> 00:09:24,865 on the night of the incident. 212 00:09:24,965 --> 00:09:28,702 He said the white pickup truck was traveling at 55 miles, 213 00:09:28,802 --> 00:09:33,306 too fast for him to get a look at Jenny's assailants. 214 00:09:33,406 --> 00:09:35,909 Louis Crisafi did not believe Curtis. 215 00:09:36,009 --> 00:09:37,945 He attempted to reconstruct the incident 216 00:09:38,045 --> 00:09:40,881 at two different speeds. 217 00:09:40,981 --> 00:09:42,916 LOUIS CRISAFI (VOICEOVER): And we used the identical pickups, 218 00:09:43,016 --> 00:09:45,118 as far as the model year and the size 219 00:09:45,218 --> 00:09:46,920 and the same type of motorcycle and we 220 00:09:47,020 --> 00:09:48,822 used the same conditions. 221 00:09:48,922 --> 00:09:50,490 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The first reconstruction 222 00:09:50,590 --> 00:09:51,959 was done at 50 miles an hour. 223 00:09:55,328 --> 00:09:57,765 At that speed, it seems almost certain 224 00:09:57,865 --> 00:10:00,701 that both Curtis and Jenny would have been killed. 225 00:10:00,801 --> 00:10:02,836 They were traveling exactly at 50. 226 00:10:02,936 --> 00:10:04,237 There is no way it could have happened 227 00:10:04,337 --> 00:10:05,205 the way he said it did. 228 00:10:05,305 --> 00:10:06,439 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Moreover, 229 00:10:06,539 --> 00:10:09,076 in this reconstruction, the board fell about 50 feet 230 00:10:09,176 --> 00:10:12,045 from the scene of the crime, when in reality, police 231 00:10:12,145 --> 00:10:14,281 had found it only a few feet from the spot 232 00:10:14,381 --> 00:10:17,017 where Jenny had been attacked. 233 00:10:17,117 --> 00:10:18,919 The second reconstruction, played out 234 00:10:19,019 --> 00:10:21,254 at only 10 miles an hour, inflicted 235 00:10:21,354 --> 00:10:24,091 injuries very similar to the ones Curtis and Jenny 236 00:10:24,191 --> 00:10:25,959 actually received. 237 00:10:26,059 --> 00:10:27,961 LOUIS CRISAFI: This is a perfect depiction of exactly-- 238 00:10:28,061 --> 00:10:29,930 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): And this time, the board fell 239 00:10:30,030 --> 00:10:30,964 right next to the motorcycle. 240 00:10:31,064 --> 00:10:32,299 LOUIS CRISAFI: The board wound up almost 241 00:10:32,399 --> 00:10:33,901 identical to where it was. 242 00:10:34,001 --> 00:10:35,769 We had reason to believe that Curtis was 243 00:10:35,869 --> 00:10:37,404 not telling the whole truth. 244 00:10:37,504 --> 00:10:40,974 We went back to Curtis' apartment and visited with him. 245 00:10:41,074 --> 00:10:42,342 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Crisafi 246 00:10:42,442 --> 00:10:45,012 felt that Curtis had seen the people in the pickup truck, 247 00:10:45,112 --> 00:10:47,214 and he confronted him. 248 00:10:47,314 --> 00:10:48,982 Were you in a fight that evening in the restaurant? 249 00:10:49,082 --> 00:10:51,484 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Finally, Curtis did name names. 250 00:10:51,584 --> 00:10:54,221 One of them was the same boy he had fought with on the night 251 00:10:54,321 --> 00:10:56,189 before the attack. 252 00:10:56,289 --> 00:10:57,657 Well, they forced me to tell it, 253 00:10:57,758 --> 00:11:00,460 like, it's like threatening someone, you know. 254 00:11:00,560 --> 00:11:04,231 And they scared me into saying that, and that wasn't right. 255 00:11:04,331 --> 00:11:05,799 OK, Curtis, you've made some new statements 256 00:11:05,899 --> 00:11:06,900 to a private investigator. 257 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,002 And I want to hear what those statements were. 258 00:11:09,102 --> 00:11:10,971 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Later on, Curtis recanted, 259 00:11:11,071 --> 00:11:13,106 telling police he had given them names 260 00:11:13,206 --> 00:11:14,842 because he felt pressured. 261 00:11:14,942 --> 00:11:16,176 I was a little nervous. 262 00:11:16,276 --> 00:11:18,411 The truck went by really fast, and the people try to say, 263 00:11:18,511 --> 00:11:19,612 oh, maybe you saw someone. 264 00:11:19,713 --> 00:11:20,714 But I really didn't. 265 00:11:20,814 --> 00:11:22,883 And we've done lying detector tests on me. 266 00:11:22,983 --> 00:11:24,284 I've passed everything, you know. 267 00:11:24,384 --> 00:11:25,518 I've told the truth. 268 00:11:25,618 --> 00:11:26,720 I've always been there to help. 269 00:11:26,820 --> 00:11:28,822 I've never, you know, not came around. 270 00:11:28,922 --> 00:11:31,224 I've always came to everything he wanted me to do 271 00:11:31,324 --> 00:11:33,060 and cooperated with everything. 272 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,628 We do believe that Curtis did, in fact, see those people. 273 00:11:35,729 --> 00:11:40,333 Curtis continuously told us that he has been threatened, that he 274 00:11:40,433 --> 00:11:44,537 has basically informed on people before 275 00:11:44,637 --> 00:11:48,008 and was very, very frightened that he would be killed. 276 00:11:48,108 --> 00:11:49,743 And he was already being threatened 277 00:11:49,843 --> 00:11:51,544 not to talk in this case. 278 00:11:51,644 --> 00:11:53,613 And we have reason to believe that what he's 279 00:11:53,713 --> 00:11:56,616 saying to that effect is true. 280 00:11:56,716 --> 00:12:00,087 You know, the real mystery is it seems like the second we 281 00:12:00,187 --> 00:12:03,757 find somebody that's willing to come forward and say something, 282 00:12:03,857 --> 00:12:05,725 somebody gets to them. 283 00:12:05,826 --> 00:12:10,497 And they either disappear or they don't know anything. 284 00:12:10,597 --> 00:12:14,768 I honestly believe people have been paid off, threatened, 285 00:12:14,868 --> 00:12:19,139 and if anybody does try to come forward, 286 00:12:19,239 --> 00:12:21,074 the next day they don't want to do it. 287 00:12:21,174 --> 00:12:25,779 You know, people's mind don't change that fast. 288 00:12:25,879 --> 00:12:27,680 Hi, Jen, it's Mommy. 289 00:12:27,781 --> 00:12:29,049 How are you doing? 290 00:12:29,149 --> 00:12:30,918 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Three months after the attack, 291 00:12:31,018 --> 00:12:33,653 Jenny Pratt came out of her coma. 292 00:12:33,753 --> 00:12:37,424 At first, she seemed incapable of thought or action. 293 00:12:37,524 --> 00:12:40,227 But after 12 weeks, she started physical therapy. 294 00:12:40,327 --> 00:12:42,329 This time, we're going to take a step off-- 295 00:12:42,429 --> 00:12:43,596 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Seven months 296 00:12:43,696 --> 00:12:46,199 later, Jenny began to speak. 297 00:12:46,299 --> 00:12:48,201 A year later, she walked. 298 00:12:48,301 --> 00:12:49,169 It feels spaghetti. 299 00:12:49,269 --> 00:12:50,603 OK, spaghetti? 300 00:12:50,703 --> 00:12:53,040 Jen, I want you to try to take a step with this leg. 301 00:12:53,140 --> 00:12:54,407 Keep the whole foot on the ground. 302 00:12:54,507 --> 00:12:56,109 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Although Jenny's progress 303 00:12:56,209 --> 00:12:59,446 has been miraculous, her brain damage is severe. 304 00:12:59,546 --> 00:13:02,349 And tragically, it is probably irreversible. 305 00:13:05,385 --> 00:13:07,487 I don't think it's possible that those events 306 00:13:07,587 --> 00:13:08,822 were stored in her memory. 307 00:13:08,922 --> 00:13:11,224 I don't think there's any way they can be recalled. 308 00:13:11,324 --> 00:13:12,592 I think there's a strong likelihood 309 00:13:12,692 --> 00:13:15,929 that she could be told things that she would then repeat. 310 00:13:16,029 --> 00:13:20,100 But to remember those actual events is virtually impossible. 311 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,970 I've been wondering back about why 312 00:13:23,070 --> 00:13:25,038 somebody was trying to kill me. 313 00:13:25,138 --> 00:13:27,707 And why was somebody mad at me? 314 00:13:27,807 --> 00:13:31,711 And what did I do to them to hurt them? 315 00:13:35,482 --> 00:13:37,317 LOUIS CRISAFI: We need somebody in the community with half 316 00:13:37,417 --> 00:13:41,121 the courage of Jennifer Pratt, somebody who just knows the one 317 00:13:41,221 --> 00:13:44,424 missing link, the one thing that'll tie this whole case 318 00:13:44,524 --> 00:13:46,994 together because I really think that's all we're missing 319 00:13:47,094 --> 00:13:48,595 is that one small link. 320 00:13:48,695 --> 00:13:51,731 And someone out there has it. 321 00:13:51,831 --> 00:13:54,634 We've emphasized repeatedly over the last year, year 322 00:13:54,734 --> 00:13:58,205 and a half, that we're primarily interested in finding who 323 00:13:58,305 --> 00:14:00,807 threw the board that hit Jenny. 324 00:14:00,908 --> 00:14:03,176 If there is a group of other people in the truck, 325 00:14:03,276 --> 00:14:06,413 they can come forward without fear of prosecution. 326 00:14:06,513 --> 00:14:09,549 DIANE STROM: I see a lot of hard work, 327 00:14:09,649 --> 00:14:14,354 needless work that had to be done because some fool did this 328 00:14:14,454 --> 00:14:15,755 to her. 329 00:14:15,855 --> 00:14:20,193 A brain injury, you live with that for the rest of your life. 330 00:14:20,293 --> 00:14:25,698 And I sometimes wonder if it is living really. 331 00:14:25,798 --> 00:14:29,136 I'll always love Jenny, but I sure miss the old Jenny. 332 00:14:32,039 --> 00:14:38,645 If anybody in this state could tell me who hurted me, 333 00:14:38,745 --> 00:14:42,482 I would appreciate that very badly. 334 00:14:42,582 --> 00:14:47,921 Because you don't know how bad I would appreciate the feeling 335 00:14:48,021 --> 00:14:52,892 that somebody does love me, and somebody 336 00:14:52,993 --> 00:14:54,627 really does care about me. 337 00:14:58,898 --> 00:15:00,800 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Last October, we examined the case 338 00:15:00,900 --> 00:15:03,937 of Joe Shepherd, wanted by the FBI and Tennessee police 339 00:15:04,037 --> 00:15:07,174 for the murders of 14-year-old Kathy Clowers and 16-year-old 340 00:15:07,274 --> 00:15:09,376 Roxanne Woodson. 341 00:15:09,476 --> 00:15:11,544 Police allege that in both cases, 342 00:15:11,644 --> 00:15:13,713 Shepherd brutally murdered his victims 343 00:15:13,813 --> 00:15:17,985 and then buried their bodies in shallow graves. 344 00:15:18,085 --> 00:15:20,553 In 1978, Joe Shepherd was officially 345 00:15:20,653 --> 00:15:22,889 charged with the two murders. 346 00:15:22,990 --> 00:15:24,924 On July 17 of that same year while 347 00:15:25,025 --> 00:15:27,694 awaiting trial in the Bradley County Jail, 348 00:15:27,794 --> 00:15:30,497 Joe Shepherd and two other inmates escaped. 349 00:15:30,597 --> 00:15:31,898 Although his two accomplices were 350 00:15:31,999 --> 00:15:35,335 recaptured the following week, Joe Shepherd was never found. 351 00:15:39,939 --> 00:15:43,610 Update, London, Ontario, Canada, a 10-year search 352 00:15:43,710 --> 00:15:46,279 for Joe Shepherd has ended. 353 00:15:46,379 --> 00:15:48,348 After the "Unsolved Mysteries" show on October 5th, 354 00:15:48,448 --> 00:15:52,052 we received a phone call from a local resident, 355 00:15:52,152 --> 00:15:55,355 saying that he believed the guy called 356 00:15:55,455 --> 00:15:57,890 Shepherd was, in fact, living in London 357 00:15:57,991 --> 00:16:00,560 under the name Joseph Tripp. 358 00:16:00,660 --> 00:16:02,695 We began an investigation. 359 00:16:02,795 --> 00:16:06,233 And when we had identified him to our satisfaction 360 00:16:06,333 --> 00:16:09,469 as Shepherd, he was arrested. 361 00:16:09,569 --> 00:16:11,204 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): At the time of his arrest, 362 00:16:11,304 --> 00:16:13,506 Shepherd was living in a government housing project 363 00:16:13,606 --> 00:16:15,642 in London, Ontario, with his common law 364 00:16:15,742 --> 00:16:18,278 wife and their two children. 365 00:16:18,378 --> 00:16:22,615 It seems apparent that Mr. Shepherd was in London, Canada, 366 00:16:22,715 --> 00:16:24,851 just within a matter of days after he 367 00:16:24,951 --> 00:16:26,986 escaped from Bradley County. 368 00:16:27,087 --> 00:16:28,188 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Shepherd 369 00:16:28,288 --> 00:16:30,223 is currently in custody on an immigration warrant, 370 00:16:30,323 --> 00:16:32,725 and is awaiting deportation back to the United States. 371 00:16:32,825 --> 00:16:37,297 However, the US-Canadian Extradition Treaty stipulates 372 00:16:37,397 --> 00:16:39,899 that he cannot be returned to a state that plans 373 00:16:39,999 --> 00:16:42,369 to invoke the death penalty. 374 00:16:42,469 --> 00:16:45,705 JERRY ESTES: Now I can tell you that it is my intention 375 00:16:45,805 --> 00:16:48,808 to seek the death penalty on Mr. Shepherd, 376 00:16:48,908 --> 00:16:50,777 unless it would prevent his extradition 377 00:16:50,877 --> 00:16:53,413 to the state of Tennessee. 378 00:16:53,513 --> 00:16:54,914 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Shepherd also faces 379 00:16:55,014 --> 00:16:57,184 seven other charges, including rape, 380 00:16:57,284 --> 00:16:59,619 aggravated assault against a police officer, 381 00:16:59,719 --> 00:17:00,720 and escape from jail. 382 00:17:14,934 --> 00:17:17,270 Next, the story of Jack Quinn, trusted vice 383 00:17:17,370 --> 00:17:19,306 president of a security firm. 384 00:17:19,406 --> 00:17:24,677 He stole $1,300,000 in untraceable cash. 385 00:17:24,777 --> 00:17:25,612 [theme music] 386 00:17:31,818 --> 00:17:34,421 One Saturday morning, Jack Quinn calmly 387 00:17:34,521 --> 00:17:40,760 walked off the job with $1,315,000 in untraceable cash. 388 00:17:40,860 --> 00:17:45,064 He still remains at large. 389 00:17:45,165 --> 00:17:47,700 Jack Quinn was vice president and general manager 390 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,104 of federal protection services, a company that provided 391 00:17:51,204 --> 00:17:53,039 security and armed guards to banks 392 00:17:53,140 --> 00:17:55,508 and other financial institutions. 393 00:17:55,608 --> 00:17:59,146 Every day, this company handled millions of dollars in cash, 394 00:17:59,246 --> 00:18:02,649 and Quinn oversaw the firm's security operation. 395 00:18:06,018 --> 00:18:09,922 At 8:00 AM on Saturday, April 9, 1988, Jack Quinn 396 00:18:10,022 --> 00:18:11,023 arrived at his office. 397 00:18:16,028 --> 00:18:17,597 Few people were at Federal's office 398 00:18:17,697 --> 00:18:20,433 that day, though a supervisor Harry Goldberg 399 00:18:20,533 --> 00:18:23,270 was working that morning. 400 00:18:23,370 --> 00:18:24,171 Morning, Harry. 401 00:18:24,271 --> 00:18:25,872 Morning, Jack. 402 00:18:25,972 --> 00:18:27,940 I'm going to take care of the morning run. 403 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:28,841 HARRY GOLDBERG: OK. 404 00:18:30,543 --> 00:18:31,678 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): While Harry 405 00:18:31,778 --> 00:18:35,182 continued to work at his desk, Quinn was busy, too. 406 00:18:35,282 --> 00:18:37,217 But he kept his business to himself. 407 00:18:47,294 --> 00:18:49,028 From time to time, Harry Goldberg 408 00:18:49,128 --> 00:18:53,333 would see Quinn in the vault, but he noticed nothing unusual. 409 00:18:53,433 --> 00:18:54,701 HARRY GOLDBERG: I've walked down the hall 410 00:18:54,801 --> 00:18:58,238 several times to pick up coffee or whatever. 411 00:18:58,338 --> 00:19:01,508 And every time I'd go past that window, I'd look in, 412 00:19:01,608 --> 00:19:04,644 see him sitting at the desk, just as calm, cool, 413 00:19:04,744 --> 00:19:07,547 and collected as you'd ever want to see him. 414 00:19:07,647 --> 00:19:10,149 I never suspected he would be doing something like that. 415 00:19:10,250 --> 00:19:12,619 I don't even know how he had the time. 416 00:19:12,719 --> 00:19:16,556 It would take him 20 minutes to pack up the money, loose money. 417 00:19:16,656 --> 00:19:19,292 If it was loose and some bags, it would take him 418 00:19:19,392 --> 00:19:21,528 maybe a half-hour, 45 minutes. 419 00:19:21,628 --> 00:19:23,963 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Somehow without being detected, 420 00:19:24,063 --> 00:19:25,965 Quinn spent much of the morning in the vault, 421 00:19:26,065 --> 00:19:28,568 transferring the money from bags to boxes. 422 00:19:33,540 --> 00:19:36,042 Outside, Quinn put the money into the trunk 423 00:19:36,142 --> 00:19:37,944 of his company car. 424 00:19:38,044 --> 00:19:44,050 Quinn also put $107,000 into the trunk of his personal car. 425 00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:46,886 He then asked Harry Goldberg to follow him home. 426 00:19:46,986 --> 00:19:49,389 When he arrived, Quinn dropped off his car 427 00:19:49,489 --> 00:19:50,490 and said goodbye to his wife. 428 00:19:50,590 --> 00:19:51,591 What's up? 429 00:19:51,691 --> 00:19:52,992 Nothing, I have to get back to the office. 430 00:19:53,092 --> 00:19:54,060 I'll be about a half-hour or so. 431 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:55,528 OK? - Sure. 432 00:19:55,628 --> 00:19:56,563 See you. 433 00:19:56,663 --> 00:19:57,430 Bye-bye. 434 00:19:57,530 --> 00:19:59,299 Bye. 435 00:19:59,399 --> 00:20:00,500 JACK QUINN: How's this car doing? 436 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,735 Not too bad. It could be better. 437 00:20:02,835 --> 00:20:04,304 What do you mean it could be better? 438 00:20:04,404 --> 00:20:05,638 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Harry Goldberg 439 00:20:05,738 --> 00:20:08,308 drove Quinn back to the office. 440 00:20:08,408 --> 00:20:12,379 Quinn got into the company car that now held over $1 million 441 00:20:12,479 --> 00:20:14,247 and headed to the airport. 442 00:20:14,347 --> 00:20:16,115 Police speculate that he had transferred 443 00:20:16,215 --> 00:20:18,485 the money into suitcases. 444 00:20:18,585 --> 00:20:21,388 When he arrived at the airport, he unloaded his car 445 00:20:21,488 --> 00:20:23,923 and vanished. 446 00:20:24,023 --> 00:20:25,992 JAMES CAVANAUGH (VOICEOVER): The trail for Quinn stops at Palm 447 00:20:26,092 --> 00:20:27,927 Beach International Airport. 448 00:20:28,027 --> 00:20:31,931 The ticket in the car indicates it was left there at 5:36 449 00:20:32,031 --> 00:20:34,734 PM on the night of the ninth. 450 00:20:34,834 --> 00:20:38,371 From that point, we have no idea where Mr. Quinn has gone. 451 00:20:38,471 --> 00:20:40,507 Indications are he did not take a plane. 452 00:20:40,607 --> 00:20:41,808 He did not rent a car. 453 00:20:41,908 --> 00:20:42,709 And he did not take a cab. 454 00:20:47,714 --> 00:20:51,351 Look, Jack dropped the car keys off to me a while ago, 455 00:20:51,451 --> 00:20:53,152 and he said he'd be back in half an hour. 456 00:20:53,252 --> 00:20:54,554 And that was five hours ago. 457 00:20:54,654 --> 00:20:55,955 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): When her husband 458 00:20:56,055 --> 00:20:58,958 failed to come home, Quinn's wife called his office. 459 00:20:59,058 --> 00:21:04,196 They had no idea where he was or what he had done. 460 00:21:04,297 --> 00:21:07,334 The next morning, she found $107,000 461 00:21:07,434 --> 00:21:08,901 in the trunk of their car. 462 00:21:09,001 --> 00:21:10,136 She turned it into the police. 463 00:21:14,140 --> 00:21:16,609 She also found a letter that read in part, 464 00:21:16,709 --> 00:21:18,678 "I have done something very wrong, 465 00:21:18,778 --> 00:21:23,650 and I can't stay and face the consequences." 466 00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:26,486 The moneys that Quinn left Federal 467 00:21:26,586 --> 00:21:30,357 Protection Service with that Saturday night are untraceable. 468 00:21:30,457 --> 00:21:32,592 There are no prerecorded serial numbers. 469 00:21:32,692 --> 00:21:34,126 There are no bait bills. 470 00:21:34,226 --> 00:21:37,564 The monies are of a varied denomination 471 00:21:37,664 --> 00:21:39,932 and basically could never be traced to him. 472 00:21:42,935 --> 00:21:44,904 Since the investigation began, it 473 00:21:45,004 --> 00:21:48,508 appears that Quinn may have been involved in several what we 474 00:21:48,608 --> 00:21:50,477 call defalcations, missing money, 475 00:21:50,577 --> 00:21:53,546 mysterious disappearances from the company prior 476 00:21:53,646 --> 00:21:56,983 to this culminating incident. 477 00:21:57,083 --> 00:21:59,786 There was an incident approximately a month 478 00:21:59,886 --> 00:22:04,891 prior to his leaving, where his wife had found a wad of money 479 00:22:04,991 --> 00:22:07,494 in the vehicle, his personal vehicle, 480 00:22:07,594 --> 00:22:09,429 and it was unexplained. 481 00:22:09,529 --> 00:22:11,498 Whenever the wife would find money, be it 482 00:22:11,598 --> 00:22:13,433 in the car, in the house and so forth, 483 00:22:13,533 --> 00:22:16,536 Quinn would explain it away as he had sold something, a gun, 484 00:22:16,636 --> 00:22:19,271 a car, it's old property and that would explain 485 00:22:19,372 --> 00:22:21,073 his acclimation of money. 486 00:22:21,173 --> 00:22:22,442 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Quinn was known 487 00:22:22,542 --> 00:22:24,210 to appreciate the good life. 488 00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:27,414 He rented a 10-acre horse ranch. 489 00:22:27,514 --> 00:22:28,915 Friends wondered how he could afford 490 00:22:29,015 --> 00:22:34,120 this extravagant lifestyle on his $35,000 a year income. 491 00:22:34,220 --> 00:22:36,188 CARL FULGENZI: Several weeks prior to this theft, 492 00:22:36,288 --> 00:22:39,291 we learned that the IRS was after Jack Quinn to settle 493 00:22:39,392 --> 00:22:41,994 a substantial amount of money. 494 00:22:42,094 --> 00:22:44,030 Jack did not have the money. 495 00:22:44,130 --> 00:22:46,666 It's quite obvious to me that the reason he pulled this job 496 00:22:46,766 --> 00:22:50,670 is because he had no other way of satisfying the IRS, 497 00:22:50,770 --> 00:22:52,639 and he was going to lose everything or possibly 498 00:22:52,739 --> 00:22:53,540 go to jail. 499 00:22:55,508 --> 00:22:56,776 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): There were 500 00:22:56,876 --> 00:23:00,547 reports that Quinn had been conducting an ongoing affair. 501 00:23:00,647 --> 00:23:02,348 A month prior to the theft, Quinn 502 00:23:02,449 --> 00:23:07,253 would leave home at 5:00 AM, yet not arrive at work until 9:30. 503 00:23:07,353 --> 00:23:10,690 Police speculate he used the time to see his girlfriend. 504 00:23:10,790 --> 00:23:14,827 They also speculate that they may have run away together. 505 00:23:14,927 --> 00:23:17,096 Whatever the reasons for his disappearance, 506 00:23:17,196 --> 00:23:19,766 today Jack Quinn is a wanted man. 507 00:23:19,866 --> 00:23:21,300 He is 48 years of age. 508 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,103 He is stocky with a tendency to put on weight. 509 00:23:24,203 --> 00:23:27,006 He has thinning brown hair, brown eyes, 510 00:23:27,106 --> 00:23:28,340 and is fluent in Spanish. 511 00:23:36,516 --> 00:23:39,519 Next, the story of two fires in a tiny Indiana town 512 00:23:39,619 --> 00:23:41,187 called Nashville. 513 00:23:41,287 --> 00:23:43,289 They happened 10 years apart, yet 514 00:23:43,389 --> 00:23:45,024 the body of Clarence Roberts seems 515 00:23:45,124 --> 00:23:47,359 to have been found both times. 516 00:23:47,460 --> 00:23:52,331 Some people in Nashville believe he is still alive. 517 00:23:52,431 --> 00:23:53,299 [theme music] 518 00:24:00,172 --> 00:24:04,310 Nashville, Indiana, population 700. 519 00:24:04,410 --> 00:24:06,312 Located in the American heartland, 520 00:24:06,412 --> 00:24:08,147 Nashville is like a Norman Rockwell 521 00:24:08,247 --> 00:24:10,449 painting brought to life. 522 00:24:10,550 --> 00:24:12,384 Here, everyone knows one another, 523 00:24:12,485 --> 00:24:15,722 so there are few street addresses and fewer secrets. 524 00:24:15,822 --> 00:24:20,026 Nashville is a community in the best sense of the word. 525 00:24:20,126 --> 00:24:22,194 Two of Nashville's most illustrious citizens 526 00:24:22,294 --> 00:24:24,997 were Clarence and Geneva Roberts. 527 00:24:25,097 --> 00:24:27,466 But in the fall of 1970, the couple 528 00:24:27,567 --> 00:24:30,503 became embroiled in a firestorm of controversy, 529 00:24:30,603 --> 00:24:32,304 betrayal, and murder. 530 00:24:35,374 --> 00:24:38,244 On the night of November 18, 1970, 531 00:24:38,344 --> 00:24:40,780 a fire raged out of control behind the Roberts' 532 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,682 fashionable home. 533 00:24:42,782 --> 00:24:45,384 And when the ashes had cooled, a body 534 00:24:45,484 --> 00:24:48,454 was discovered and identified as Clarence Roberts. 535 00:24:51,824 --> 00:24:55,394 10 Years later, another fire blazed. 536 00:24:55,494 --> 00:24:57,664 Two more bodies were discovered. 537 00:24:57,764 --> 00:25:01,400 One was Geneva Roberts, and the other was again 538 00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:04,637 identified as Clarence Roberts. 539 00:25:04,737 --> 00:25:07,339 But how could a man die twice? 540 00:25:07,439 --> 00:25:10,577 Today the people of Nashville still wonder what 541 00:25:10,677 --> 00:25:13,546 happened to Clarence Roberts. 542 00:25:13,646 --> 00:25:16,348 I talked to both detectives that was on the second fire. 543 00:25:16,448 --> 00:25:19,852 And from what they told me, I'd say it was definitely Clarence. 544 00:25:19,952 --> 00:25:21,888 I still think Clarence died in the first fire. 545 00:25:21,988 --> 00:25:25,091 I don't think Clarence Roberts died in the second fire. 546 00:25:25,191 --> 00:25:26,793 I just don't believe that. 547 00:25:26,893 --> 00:25:30,563 I think Clarence is still alive. 548 00:25:30,663 --> 00:25:33,232 I sure do. 549 00:25:33,332 --> 00:25:35,134 The mystery of Clarence Roberts death 550 00:25:35,234 --> 00:25:37,570 still haunts those who knew him. 551 00:25:37,670 --> 00:25:40,807 In the 1960s, he embodied the American dream. 552 00:25:40,907 --> 00:25:43,910 A former sheriff, a board member of the Nashville State Bank, 553 00:25:44,010 --> 00:25:46,312 he seemed to have it all. 554 00:25:46,412 --> 00:25:49,015 But something went wrong for Clarence. 555 00:25:49,115 --> 00:25:51,618 His dreams became twisted into a nightmarish saga 556 00:25:51,718 --> 00:25:55,755 that has gone on for 18 years and still continues today. 557 00:25:58,658 --> 00:26:00,359 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): In the 1960s, 558 00:26:00,459 --> 00:26:02,394 Clarence owned a prosperous hardware store 559 00:26:02,494 --> 00:26:04,897 along with his brother Carson. 560 00:26:04,997 --> 00:26:08,467 Clarence was well-respected, everyone's friend. 561 00:26:08,567 --> 00:26:11,370 CARSON ROBERTS: He and I worked together for about 22 years. 562 00:26:11,470 --> 00:26:12,772 Clarence always seemed to be pretty happy. 563 00:26:12,872 --> 00:26:15,174 He enjoyed working. 564 00:26:15,274 --> 00:26:16,375 Clarence was outgoing. 565 00:26:16,475 --> 00:26:19,278 He was friendly, always made friends with people, 566 00:26:19,378 --> 00:26:21,080 and always got along with people. 567 00:26:21,180 --> 00:26:22,381 Well, I'll tell you what. 568 00:26:22,481 --> 00:26:24,350 You probably want to use one of these for the shelving. 569 00:26:24,450 --> 00:26:25,985 And I've got some good [inaudible] in the back. 570 00:26:26,085 --> 00:26:27,119 Clarence worked hard. 571 00:26:27,219 --> 00:26:30,857 He put a lot of hours in when he was younger. 572 00:26:30,957 --> 00:26:34,560 Clarence, uh, he would help anyone. 573 00:26:34,661 --> 00:26:38,631 He would help you or anybody if he thought you was in need. 574 00:26:38,731 --> 00:26:40,132 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Clarence and Geneva 575 00:26:40,232 --> 00:26:43,035 had been married since 1941. 576 00:26:43,135 --> 00:26:45,504 Geneva came from a poor family. 577 00:26:45,604 --> 00:26:49,876 But together, she and Clarence rose in Nashville society. 578 00:26:49,976 --> 00:26:53,145 With four sons and a successful family business, 579 00:26:53,245 --> 00:26:56,082 the Roberts seemed to be the perfect couple. 580 00:26:56,182 --> 00:26:58,685 He soon reached the 33rd degree of the Masons, 581 00:26:58,785 --> 00:27:02,521 a rank commemorated by this ring, which he wore proudly. 582 00:27:06,693 --> 00:27:10,663 Clarence's appetite for the good life began to consume him. 583 00:27:10,763 --> 00:27:12,799 He purchased three luxury cars and an 584 00:27:12,899 --> 00:27:15,835 expensive and fashionable home. 585 00:27:15,935 --> 00:27:20,439 But behind this facade of wealth were heavy debts. 586 00:27:20,539 --> 00:27:25,611 MRS. ROBERTS: Clarence changed a lot, he really did. 587 00:27:25,712 --> 00:27:28,580 I really can't describe how different he would be. 588 00:27:28,681 --> 00:27:34,854 It's like, um, turning a light on and turning a light off. 589 00:27:34,954 --> 00:27:36,522 That was Clarence who turned the light off. 590 00:27:40,793 --> 00:27:41,961 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): To finance 591 00:27:42,061 --> 00:27:45,031 his extravagant lifestyle, Clarence sold his hardware 592 00:27:45,131 --> 00:27:47,599 business and gambled everything on two property 593 00:27:47,700 --> 00:27:50,469 investments, an apartment building 594 00:27:50,569 --> 00:27:53,039 and several grain elevators. 595 00:27:53,139 --> 00:27:55,107 These investments failed. 596 00:27:55,207 --> 00:27:58,210 And by the fall of 1970, Clarence Roberts 597 00:27:58,310 --> 00:28:01,280 knew he was in serious trouble. 598 00:28:01,380 --> 00:28:04,050 MRS. ROBERTS: For all the money that he was losing, 599 00:28:04,150 --> 00:28:07,119 everything going down the drain, he was going for a millionaire 600 00:28:07,219 --> 00:28:09,055 or broke. 601 00:28:09,155 --> 00:28:10,322 And he was ending up broke. 602 00:28:10,422 --> 00:28:13,459 He was trying to pull out of it. 603 00:28:13,559 --> 00:28:15,227 CLARENCE ROBERTS: Yeah, Warren, I can see that you've 604 00:28:15,327 --> 00:28:16,628 come after the cars. 605 00:28:16,729 --> 00:28:18,664 Or go the guys, getting ready to jump in and drive them away. 606 00:28:18,765 --> 00:28:20,666 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): In October, 1970, 607 00:28:20,767 --> 00:28:23,936 one month before the first fire, Clarence and Geneva 608 00:28:24,036 --> 00:28:26,405 stood by as Sheriff Warren Roberts, 609 00:28:26,505 --> 00:28:29,175 Clarence's own brother, repossessed two 610 00:28:29,275 --> 00:28:30,076 of his vehicles. 611 00:28:33,579 --> 00:28:35,081 CLARENCE ROBERTS: Thanks a lot. 612 00:28:35,181 --> 00:28:36,749 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Clarence and Geneva were 613 00:28:36,849 --> 00:28:42,321 left desolate and desperate. 614 00:28:42,421 --> 00:28:44,423 BOB WHITE: He wasn't the Clarence that I had always 615 00:28:44,523 --> 00:28:45,724 been used to being around. 616 00:28:45,825 --> 00:28:47,026 He was down. 617 00:28:47,126 --> 00:28:50,997 He was really depressed, and I feel that he was suicidal. 618 00:28:54,266 --> 00:28:55,467 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): At 6:20 PM 619 00:28:55,567 --> 00:28:58,504 on the night of November 18, 1970, 620 00:28:58,604 --> 00:29:00,606 firemen arrived to find the garage barn 621 00:29:00,706 --> 00:29:02,041 of the Robert's home ablaze. 622 00:29:02,141 --> 00:29:03,242 FIREFIGHTER: Over there, over there. 623 00:29:03,342 --> 00:29:04,643 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The heat 624 00:29:04,743 --> 00:29:06,946 was so intense that they stood helplessly by as the structure 625 00:29:07,046 --> 00:29:07,847 burned to the ground. 626 00:29:17,389 --> 00:29:21,227 When the fire had cooled, they made a grisly discovery. 627 00:29:21,327 --> 00:29:22,761 FIREFIGHTER: Chief, come back here. 628 00:29:22,862 --> 00:29:24,396 I think we got a body. 629 00:29:24,496 --> 00:29:25,798 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): A body burned 630 00:29:25,898 --> 00:29:28,567 beyond recognition laid beneath the rubble, 631 00:29:28,667 --> 00:29:31,871 a half-melted shotgun by its side. 632 00:29:31,971 --> 00:29:34,907 The body was so badly burned, it was difficult to identify 633 00:29:35,007 --> 00:29:36,909 it as human. 634 00:29:37,009 --> 00:29:39,678 Jack Bond, the county coroner, feared 635 00:29:39,778 --> 00:29:42,748 that Clarence Roberts had finally paid his debts 636 00:29:42,849 --> 00:29:44,216 by taking his own life. 637 00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:48,654 JACK BOND: When we found the body, why 638 00:29:48,754 --> 00:29:50,923 we thought he'd shot himself. 639 00:29:51,023 --> 00:29:53,359 There wasn't much doubt in our minds 640 00:29:53,459 --> 00:29:56,195 that he just got too many worries ahead of him, 641 00:29:56,295 --> 00:29:58,764 and he committed suicide. 642 00:29:58,865 --> 00:30:01,100 So when we got back down to the funeral home, 643 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,137 why we started looking for shots, 644 00:30:05,237 --> 00:30:08,340 and we couldn't find any. 645 00:30:11,810 --> 00:30:13,079 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The police 646 00:30:13,179 --> 00:30:15,547 wondered how Clarence's suicide could have been accomplished 647 00:30:15,647 --> 00:30:18,550 without a gunshot wound. 648 00:30:18,650 --> 00:30:22,054 Detective Don Kuster sifted through the debris. 649 00:30:22,154 --> 00:30:26,092 Hidden in the ashes, he found Clarence's Masonic ring. 650 00:30:26,192 --> 00:30:29,996 Despite the intense heat, it was virtually undamaged. 651 00:30:30,096 --> 00:30:31,097 DET. 652 00:30:31,197 --> 00:30:33,199 SGT. DON KUSTER: The ring, when it was found, 653 00:30:33,299 --> 00:30:35,567 was in excellent shape. 654 00:30:35,667 --> 00:30:37,636 The ring definitely had no damage as far 655 00:30:37,736 --> 00:30:39,371 as melting or anything on it. 656 00:30:39,471 --> 00:30:42,108 There's no way that ring could have withstood 657 00:30:42,208 --> 00:30:45,311 the heat of that fire like it did and not even have 658 00:30:45,411 --> 00:30:48,580 a damaged part on it at all 659 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,051 I definitely think the ring was a plant. 660 00:30:52,151 --> 00:30:54,053 It just, it had to be. 661 00:30:54,153 --> 00:30:56,588 It had to be. 662 00:30:56,688 --> 00:30:58,624 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): This was only the first of a series 663 00:30:58,724 --> 00:31:00,826 of unusual discoveries. 664 00:31:00,927 --> 00:31:03,963 Investigators learned that only months before the fire, 665 00:31:04,063 --> 00:31:07,466 Clarence had purchased several insurance policies on his life, 666 00:31:07,566 --> 00:31:08,867 totaling close to $1 million. 667 00:31:11,637 --> 00:31:16,042 In addition, a test showed that the body found in the blaze 668 00:31:16,142 --> 00:31:18,244 had type AB blood. 669 00:31:18,344 --> 00:31:22,181 Clarence's blood type was B. If it 670 00:31:22,281 --> 00:31:24,283 wasn't the body of Clarence Roberts, 671 00:31:24,383 --> 00:31:25,851 then who died in the fire? 672 00:31:28,654 --> 00:31:31,890 Two days before the blaze, Clarence was spotted in a bar 673 00:31:31,991 --> 00:31:34,426 in the nearby community of Morgantown, 674 00:31:34,526 --> 00:31:36,062 befriending a vagrant. 675 00:31:36,162 --> 00:31:37,463 DET. 676 00:31:37,563 --> 00:31:41,000 SGT. DON KUSTER: He'd been seen on the 17th of November, 1970, 677 00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:44,670 and from the witness, he was described as about 5' 7" 678 00:31:44,770 --> 00:31:45,871 to 5' 9". 679 00:31:45,972 --> 00:31:48,507 And he was about the same age as Clarence. 680 00:31:48,607 --> 00:31:51,343 And Clarence was with him, but he didn't know his name. 681 00:31:51,443 --> 00:31:52,878 I've got some grass needs cutting, 682 00:31:52,979 --> 00:31:55,781 a little brush needs trimming out at the house. 683 00:31:55,881 --> 00:31:57,549 Would you be interested? 684 00:31:57,649 --> 00:31:58,617 Yeah. 685 00:31:58,717 --> 00:31:59,751 CLARENCE ROBERTS: Well, get in the car. 686 00:31:59,851 --> 00:32:01,020 And we'll go up-- come on. 687 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,588 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): As they were leaving, 688 00:32:02,688 --> 00:32:06,425 the man collapsed from some unknown cause. 689 00:32:06,525 --> 00:32:07,826 DET. 690 00:32:07,926 --> 00:32:09,795 SGT. DON KUSTER: Clarence said he'd take him to the hospital. 691 00:32:09,895 --> 00:32:12,064 And Clarence left with him. 692 00:32:12,164 --> 00:32:14,366 And later on, I checked the hospitals 693 00:32:14,466 --> 00:32:16,635 within a 300-mile radius and this man 694 00:32:16,735 --> 00:32:17,869 was not admitted to a hospital. 695 00:32:22,874 --> 00:32:25,311 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Two theories divided Nashville. 696 00:32:25,411 --> 00:32:27,946 One that Clarence had killed himself, 697 00:32:28,047 --> 00:32:30,382 and second that he murdered the vagrant in order 698 00:32:30,482 --> 00:32:33,819 to collect the insurance money. 699 00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:36,455 It is even claimed he watched from the woods 700 00:32:36,555 --> 00:32:39,525 as the flames destroyed the evidence of his crime. 701 00:32:42,561 --> 00:32:44,063 BOB WHITE: Suicidal, yes. 702 00:32:44,163 --> 00:32:46,432 But to commit murder, no way. 703 00:32:46,532 --> 00:32:48,667 I can't believe he could have any part of that. 704 00:32:48,767 --> 00:32:54,140 It must be hard, be beyond my wildest imagination 705 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,808 to think that Clarence Roberts could ever have been involved 706 00:32:56,908 --> 00:32:59,645 with anything like that. 707 00:32:59,745 --> 00:33:03,315 Definitely, definitely he was capable of it. 708 00:33:08,054 --> 00:33:09,088 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Clarence 709 00:33:09,188 --> 00:33:11,690 was either dead or missing. 710 00:33:11,790 --> 00:33:14,060 And Geneva Roberts was left alone. 711 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,961 Her fortune changing dramatically 712 00:33:16,062 --> 00:33:18,964 from riches back to rags. 713 00:33:19,065 --> 00:33:21,967 She was forced to move to the outskirts of town. 714 00:33:22,068 --> 00:33:25,104 And her claims to the insurance money were repeatedly denied. 715 00:33:29,641 --> 00:33:32,178 Geneva was not alone in maintaining that Clarence 716 00:33:32,278 --> 00:33:34,180 had died in the first fire. 717 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,150 John Pless, a prominent pathologist, agreed with her. 718 00:33:38,250 --> 00:33:42,188 DR. JOHN PLESS: It wasn't until 1978 that the attorneys came 719 00:33:42,288 --> 00:33:44,590 to me to review the reports of the experts 720 00:33:44,690 --> 00:33:46,925 who'd examined the evidence. 721 00:33:47,025 --> 00:33:51,563 And in the process, I was able to prove to myself and to a lot 722 00:33:51,663 --> 00:33:56,068 of other people that the body that was found in that garage 723 00:33:56,168 --> 00:33:58,036 was Clarence. 724 00:33:58,137 --> 00:34:00,672 And I testified at the time of the civil trial 725 00:34:00,772 --> 00:34:02,774 against the insurance companies that I 726 00:34:02,874 --> 00:34:07,012 felt it was highly probable that it was Clarence Roberts. 727 00:34:07,113 --> 00:34:08,914 Mrs. Roberts, you have lost your case 728 00:34:09,014 --> 00:34:10,582 against the insurance company. 729 00:34:10,682 --> 00:34:13,185 You have only the recourse of an appeal. 730 00:34:13,285 --> 00:34:15,554 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Despite Dr. Pless' testimony, 731 00:34:15,654 --> 00:34:18,924 Geneva lost all of her appeals. 732 00:34:19,024 --> 00:34:20,459 DR. JOHN PLESS: The people that I was involved 733 00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:24,496 with in that trial were decimated emotionally 734 00:34:24,596 --> 00:34:26,765 by the judge's ruling. 735 00:34:26,865 --> 00:34:32,871 I couldn't realize why the judge had made the ruling he had. 736 00:34:32,971 --> 00:34:34,173 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): These denials 737 00:34:34,273 --> 00:34:36,608 took their toll on Geneva. 738 00:34:36,708 --> 00:34:38,410 Withdrawing from her friends and neighbors, 739 00:34:38,510 --> 00:34:42,281 she became the subject of local gossip. 740 00:34:42,381 --> 00:34:44,250 In order to make ends meet, Geneva 741 00:34:44,350 --> 00:34:48,354 had to take a job in the kitchen of a local restaurant. 742 00:34:48,454 --> 00:34:50,189 Then the rumors began. 743 00:34:50,289 --> 00:34:53,392 Local shopkeepers said that they had sold her large quantities 744 00:34:53,492 --> 00:34:57,363 of beer, surprising, considering Geneva was a diabetic 745 00:34:57,463 --> 00:34:59,598 and seldom drank beer. 746 00:34:59,698 --> 00:35:02,734 Some said Geneva was not alone, and neighbors 747 00:35:02,834 --> 00:35:05,337 began to report seeing someone on the grounds 748 00:35:05,437 --> 00:35:07,273 of Geneva's home. 749 00:35:07,373 --> 00:35:11,076 We had developed information that a man had been 750 00:35:11,177 --> 00:35:13,812 seen behind Geneva's residence. 751 00:35:17,249 --> 00:35:19,185 The man acted very strangely and never 752 00:35:19,285 --> 00:35:20,952 let anyone get close to him. 753 00:35:21,052 --> 00:35:22,988 And he always seemed to duck away from them 754 00:35:23,088 --> 00:35:25,157 and head back toward the house immediately. 755 00:35:29,127 --> 00:35:32,731 Myself and some other officers set up a surveillance. 756 00:35:32,831 --> 00:35:34,400 We were down there for approximately 757 00:35:34,500 --> 00:35:36,535 three days and three nights. 758 00:35:36,635 --> 00:35:39,905 We were photographing everyone coming and going 759 00:35:40,005 --> 00:35:42,774 in and around Geneva's house. 760 00:35:42,874 --> 00:35:44,210 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): They saw nothing, 761 00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:46,278 but they knew who they were looking for. 762 00:35:46,378 --> 00:35:47,513 DET. 763 00:35:47,613 --> 00:35:49,248 DAVE ANDERSON: I'm sure that was probably Clarence. 764 00:35:49,348 --> 00:35:54,085 I think he had perhaps run out of places to go, you know. 765 00:35:54,186 --> 00:35:58,123 And he had come back to staying with Geneva. 766 00:35:58,224 --> 00:36:02,428 He was the mysterious man that was seen behind her house. 767 00:36:02,528 --> 00:36:04,763 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): A local reporter, Helen Ayers, 768 00:36:04,863 --> 00:36:06,865 had grown friendly with Geneva. 769 00:36:06,965 --> 00:36:11,237 She felt that Geneva was hiding something or someone. 770 00:36:11,337 --> 00:36:13,138 HELEN AYERS: I stopped at her house probably four or five 771 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:14,540 different times. 772 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,908 And she always met me at the back porch 773 00:36:17,008 --> 00:36:19,411 and would never invite me in. 774 00:36:19,511 --> 00:36:20,679 And most people do. 775 00:36:20,779 --> 00:36:22,648 I mean, around here, it's just a matter of courtesy 776 00:36:22,748 --> 00:36:24,716 to ask you to step inside. 777 00:36:24,816 --> 00:36:26,718 But she never did that. 778 00:36:26,818 --> 00:36:28,254 And it kind of made me suspect there 779 00:36:28,354 --> 00:36:30,155 might be a man living in there. 780 00:36:30,256 --> 00:36:31,056 [greetings] 781 00:36:32,891 --> 00:36:36,795 I interviewed Clarence's sister, who lived in the adjacent yard 782 00:36:36,895 --> 00:36:38,163 there. 783 00:36:38,264 --> 00:36:42,568 And she said that she could hear Geneva talking to this man. 784 00:36:42,668 --> 00:36:46,938 And she said it definitely was not Clarence's voice. 785 00:36:47,038 --> 00:36:48,307 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Nobody knows 786 00:36:48,407 --> 00:36:52,678 for certain what Geneva Roberts was trying to hide or whom. 787 00:36:52,778 --> 00:36:56,214 Her reclusive life went on uneventfully until the night 788 00:36:56,315 --> 00:36:59,150 of November 18, 1980. 789 00:36:59,251 --> 00:37:01,152 [sound of flames crackling] 790 00:37:01,253 --> 00:37:02,120 [sirens] 791 00:37:11,830 --> 00:37:12,964 DET. 792 00:37:13,064 --> 00:37:16,167 DAVE ANDERSON: When my office called and explained 793 00:37:16,268 --> 00:37:18,770 that it was Geneva's house on fire, 794 00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:22,541 and that they thought Geneva was still inside the house, 795 00:37:22,641 --> 00:37:25,076 I went right to the fire scene. 796 00:37:25,176 --> 00:37:31,617 And the fire was still burning very intensely at that time. 797 00:37:31,717 --> 00:37:35,887 After the fire was extinguished, why, we just stayed behind 798 00:37:35,987 --> 00:37:38,524 and I'm not even sure why. 799 00:37:38,624 --> 00:37:42,694 I just wanted to look further, as did, I'm sure, the firemen. 800 00:37:46,965 --> 00:37:47,966 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Sifting 801 00:37:48,066 --> 00:37:49,801 through the ashes, searchers found 802 00:37:49,901 --> 00:37:52,203 the body of Geneva Roberts. 803 00:37:52,304 --> 00:37:55,607 Hours later, they made another shocking discovery. 804 00:37:55,707 --> 00:37:56,608 DET. 805 00:37:56,708 --> 00:37:58,377 DAVE ANDERSON: Geneva's body had been 806 00:37:58,477 --> 00:38:03,148 removed to the funeral home, and the fire had been extinguished. 807 00:38:03,248 --> 00:38:06,151 The house was totally demolished. 808 00:38:06,251 --> 00:38:08,320 So we'd gone through the rubble, and a fireman 809 00:38:08,420 --> 00:38:12,758 had located a second body in another part of the house. 810 00:38:12,858 --> 00:38:19,465 And I was just so certain that it would be that of Clarence. 811 00:38:19,565 --> 00:38:20,599 DR. JOHN PLESS: I didn't even have 812 00:38:20,699 --> 00:38:21,967 to have the comparison films. 813 00:38:22,067 --> 00:38:25,036 I knew the bony configuration of Clarence Roberts 814 00:38:25,136 --> 00:38:29,274 so well that I recognized him immediately by his chest X-ray. 815 00:38:32,077 --> 00:38:34,980 Now I knew that I was going to have a difficult time 816 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,718 to tell all my friends and neighbors in the world 817 00:38:39,818 --> 00:38:45,023 that Clarence was dead for the second time. 818 00:38:45,123 --> 00:38:48,794 It just, um, turned out to be Clarence. 819 00:38:48,894 --> 00:38:52,030 And I was very pleased with that, that this 820 00:38:52,130 --> 00:38:54,600 might be coming to an end. 821 00:38:54,700 --> 00:38:58,236 Little did I know that it was just starting. 822 00:38:58,336 --> 00:39:01,407 This was definitely a set fire caused by an accelerant. 823 00:39:01,507 --> 00:39:04,242 It looks like someone just came in the back door 824 00:39:04,342 --> 00:39:06,678 and poured all the way around the walls. 825 00:39:06,778 --> 00:39:08,046 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The second fire 826 00:39:08,146 --> 00:39:09,781 was a clear-cut case of arson. 827 00:39:09,881 --> 00:39:10,882 DET. 828 00:39:10,982 --> 00:39:13,084 DAVE ANDERSON: We could follow very clearly 829 00:39:13,184 --> 00:39:17,322 these burn patterns from Geneva's bed 830 00:39:17,423 --> 00:39:19,958 into the adjacent room where Clarence's body was 831 00:39:20,058 --> 00:39:24,730 located and then down a hallway and out the back door 832 00:39:24,830 --> 00:39:26,732 of that house. 833 00:39:26,832 --> 00:39:31,169 So we determined right there that at least 834 00:39:31,269 --> 00:39:32,804 Geneva had been murdered. 835 00:39:35,607 --> 00:39:42,548 We're sure that turpentine was used to ignite this fire. 836 00:39:42,648 --> 00:39:43,515 We know that. 837 00:39:43,615 --> 00:39:47,318 We simply don't know who started it, 838 00:39:47,419 --> 00:39:49,988 whether it was Clarence that started the fire 839 00:39:50,088 --> 00:39:53,024 or that of a third party. 840 00:39:53,124 --> 00:39:55,627 I subscribe to the theory of a third party. 841 00:39:58,797 --> 00:40:00,566 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Investigators have no clue 842 00:40:00,666 --> 00:40:02,868 as to who set the second fire. 843 00:40:02,968 --> 00:40:06,104 But they believe they have identified the victim. 844 00:40:06,204 --> 00:40:07,038 DET. 845 00:40:07,138 --> 00:40:08,940 DAVE ANDERSON: Oh, I'm absolutely 846 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,577 convinced that the second victim, 847 00:40:11,677 --> 00:40:14,813 the victim in the second fire, is that of Clarence Roberts. 848 00:40:14,913 --> 00:40:16,748 There's just no doubt in my mind. 849 00:40:16,848 --> 00:40:19,851 There's not a doubt in my mind at all. 850 00:40:19,951 --> 00:40:23,755 I still would like to know who the second body was. 851 00:40:23,855 --> 00:40:26,057 Because I still can't believe it's Clarence. 852 00:40:26,157 --> 00:40:29,495 The pathologist says it is. 853 00:40:29,595 --> 00:40:31,096 But I still don't, me personally, I 854 00:40:31,196 --> 00:40:34,800 don't believe that the second fire was Clarence. 855 00:40:34,900 --> 00:40:37,536 I'm absolutely convinced that Clarence Roberts died 856 00:40:37,636 --> 00:40:40,472 in the second fire, and that some person, 857 00:40:40,572 --> 00:40:45,243 possibly a derelict, died in the first fire. 858 00:40:45,343 --> 00:40:50,582 And when I say absolutely, I mean that this is not only 859 00:40:50,682 --> 00:40:53,451 a reasonable medical certainty, but would 860 00:40:53,552 --> 00:40:54,686 be beyond a shadow of a doubt. 861 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,695 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Today in this small cemetery, 862 00:41:03,795 --> 00:41:06,397 the mystery of Clarence Roberts lies buried, 863 00:41:06,498 --> 00:41:10,902 still defying explanation after almost 20 years. 864 00:41:11,002 --> 00:41:13,605 Who was the man in the first fire? 865 00:41:13,705 --> 00:41:16,708 Who set the second fire and why? 866 00:41:16,808 --> 00:41:20,178 Who was the mysterious figure seen at Geneva's home, 867 00:41:20,278 --> 00:41:22,714 and why did she hide his identity? 868 00:41:22,814 --> 00:41:27,285 And the key question, where's Clarence Roberts? 869 00:41:27,385 --> 00:41:29,387 Is he in this grave? 870 00:41:29,487 --> 00:41:31,489 Some family members are doubtful, 871 00:41:31,590 --> 00:41:35,927 and they protested when this headstone was put in place. 872 00:41:36,027 --> 00:41:39,931 Whoever it is that rests beneath this Midwestern Earth 873 00:41:40,031 --> 00:41:41,432 will never tell his tale. 874 00:41:44,302 --> 00:41:46,171 Next, a Florida bank robber who has 875 00:41:46,271 --> 00:41:48,540 successfully robbed 30 banks. 876 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,408 The police call him "Fumbles." 877 00:41:50,508 --> 00:41:52,010 You'll see why in a moment. 878 00:41:55,513 --> 00:41:56,381 [theme music] 879 00:42:01,853 --> 00:42:04,990 Since July 12, 1984, a robber wearing gloves 880 00:42:05,090 --> 00:42:07,292 and a baseball cap has held up nearly 30 banks 881 00:42:07,392 --> 00:42:08,694 throughout Florida. 882 00:42:08,794 --> 00:42:10,862 But as we will see, this felon has succeeded 883 00:42:10,962 --> 00:42:12,664 almost in spite of himself. 884 00:42:12,764 --> 00:42:16,301 But the authorities know him as "Fumbles." 885 00:42:16,401 --> 00:42:17,535 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): This robber 886 00:42:17,636 --> 00:42:19,470 hits small suburban banks, usually 887 00:42:19,571 --> 00:42:21,907 in outdoor shopping malls. 888 00:42:22,007 --> 00:42:25,443 Besides a cap and gloves, he has another distinctive trademark. 889 00:42:28,947 --> 00:42:32,651 LARRY CURTIN: He was given the nickname early on of "Fumbles" 890 00:42:32,751 --> 00:42:35,854 because in the first robbery, when he came in, 891 00:42:35,954 --> 00:42:39,324 he got inside the bank, drew the weapon, held it in his hand, 892 00:42:39,424 --> 00:42:41,426 and proceeded to trip and fall. 893 00:42:41,526 --> 00:42:43,461 The gun went out of his hand. 894 00:42:43,561 --> 00:42:45,063 And he had to kind of scrabble and pick 895 00:42:45,163 --> 00:42:47,398 it back up, at which time he then 896 00:42:47,498 --> 00:42:49,668 proceeded with the robbery. 897 00:42:49,768 --> 00:42:51,202 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): In a second robbery, 898 00:42:51,302 --> 00:42:55,841 "Fumbles" even had trouble keeping his mask in place. 899 00:42:55,941 --> 00:42:58,243 LARRY CURTIN: Approximately a month later, he 900 00:42:58,343 --> 00:43:00,846 dropped some of the money on the way out of the bank, 901 00:43:00,946 --> 00:43:02,748 had to stop, pick it up, and then 902 00:43:02,848 --> 00:43:04,415 proceed with his getaway plans. 903 00:43:07,886 --> 00:43:09,454 This is a robbery. 904 00:43:09,554 --> 00:43:10,656 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The police 905 00:43:10,756 --> 00:43:12,157 admit to a certain amount of amusement 906 00:43:12,257 --> 00:43:14,092 at their adversary's clumsiness. 907 00:43:14,192 --> 00:43:18,664 His 30 armed robberies are no laughing matter. 908 00:43:18,764 --> 00:43:21,900 DONNA ROSE: I think I was rather in shock. 909 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,870 I had never been robbed before. - Hurry up. 910 00:43:24,970 --> 00:43:27,172 DONNA ROSE: I did think about my children. 911 00:43:27,272 --> 00:43:28,974 Who's going to raise my children because they 912 00:43:29,074 --> 00:43:31,943 were very young at the time. 913 00:43:32,043 --> 00:43:36,782 About two nights later, in bed in the middle of the night, 914 00:43:36,882 --> 00:43:39,250 and I was lying there alone, and my two children were, 915 00:43:39,350 --> 00:43:43,889 one was in a crib and one was in her bed, I thought, oh my god. 916 00:43:47,625 --> 00:43:51,196 TELLER: He pulled a gun, walked up to me, put it in my face, 917 00:43:51,296 --> 00:43:53,431 and said, don't do anything stupid. 918 00:43:53,531 --> 00:43:54,332 Don't do anything stupid. 919 00:43:58,003 --> 00:44:01,673 TELLER: He put a paper sack on the counter, 920 00:44:01,773 --> 00:44:03,174 told me to put the money in it. 921 00:44:07,412 --> 00:44:09,915 I put all the money in it, gave it back to him. 922 00:44:10,015 --> 00:44:13,251 He turned around and walked out the door. 923 00:44:13,351 --> 00:44:18,656 I was mad, and then I was scared because I realized 924 00:44:18,757 --> 00:44:21,126 that he could have hurt me. 925 00:44:21,226 --> 00:44:22,694 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Update, the "Fumbles" 926 00:44:22,794 --> 00:44:24,429 robber has been captured. 927 00:44:24,529 --> 00:44:27,265 Within minutes of our broadcast, a Clearwater, Florida, police 928 00:44:27,365 --> 00:44:29,367 department received a call from one of our viewers 929 00:44:29,467 --> 00:44:31,803 who recognized "Fumbles" as Ross James 930 00:44:31,903 --> 00:44:36,441 Preston, a 23-year-old student living in Clearwater. 931 00:44:36,541 --> 00:44:41,246 On May 24, 1989, FBI agents, Clearwater police officers, 932 00:44:41,346 --> 00:44:43,081 and Pinellas County Sheriff's deputies 933 00:44:43,181 --> 00:44:47,552 arrested Preston while he was test driving a pickup truck. 934 00:44:47,652 --> 00:44:51,356 A search by warrant was made of the vehicle Mr. Preston was 935 00:44:51,456 --> 00:44:54,059 driving when he was arrested. 936 00:44:54,159 --> 00:44:58,930 Inside the vehicle were found a ball cap with the letters 937 00:44:59,030 --> 00:45:01,299 CAT on the cap. 938 00:45:01,399 --> 00:45:05,737 Also found were a pair of gardening gloves and a pair 939 00:45:05,837 --> 00:45:09,274 of sunglasses and a jacket. 940 00:45:09,374 --> 00:45:12,210 These were very similar to items which 941 00:45:12,310 --> 00:45:15,546 were observed being worn by the bank 942 00:45:15,646 --> 00:45:18,683 robber we called "Fumbles." 943 00:45:18,784 --> 00:45:20,018 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): On August 2nd, 944 00:45:20,118 --> 00:45:21,953 Ross James Preston admitted to committing 945 00:45:22,053 --> 00:45:23,688 33 armed bank robberies. 946 00:45:23,789 --> 00:45:26,257 But as part of a plea bargain, he was charged with only seven 947 00:45:26,357 --> 00:45:27,492 of the hold-ups. 948 00:45:27,592 --> 00:45:30,395 He has since been sentenced to 25 years in prison. 949 00:45:45,710 --> 00:45:47,345 For every mystery, there is someone 950 00:45:47,445 --> 00:45:49,647 somewhere who knows the truth. 951 00:45:49,747 --> 00:45:51,249 Perhaps that someone is watching. 952 00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:53,051 Perhaps it's you. 953 00:45:53,151 --> 00:45:55,186 [theme music] 75941

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