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I just met this
woman that scared
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the living shit out of me.
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OK, so listen.
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I don't know if she's
possessed or what.
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My highs were always extreme.
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I remember this one time
where I hopped in my car.
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I'm driving from Los
Angeles back to Toronto.
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Day two, day three
of no sleep and I
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feel that euphoria
kick in again.
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I'm feeling fantastic.
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I'm driving through
Zion National Park.
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I hit a deer at
70 miles per hour.
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I totaled my car,
barely made it through.
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Barely made it through,
it was really scary.
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There I am, and the
car was still working,
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drove home the whole way but
still feeling this euphoria.
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My life wasn't always
so out of control.
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My name is Ross McKenzie
Jr. When I was young,
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my future looked bright.
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Nice save, Ross!
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Star athlete, class
valedictorian, lots of friends,
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and a picture-perfect family.
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Then I was robbed.
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At 21, I had a psychotic
break that got me arrested
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and institutionalized.
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I was diagnosed with bipolar
disorder and put on lithium.
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My life changed the
minute I was slapped
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with that label 20 years ago.
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When I was hospitalized, I
was told by psychiatrists
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and by doctors,
you're going to have
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to take this medication
for the rest of your life.
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And probably the
worst thing they
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said that was the hardest
thing to hear at the time was,
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don't expect to do anything
special with your life.
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You're not going to
really amount to anything
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because you're going
to have to live
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a very simple, quiet existence.
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It's a very painful
experience to go through.
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When he was medicated, he
was certainly not anything
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like the son I had known.
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It was very frightening.
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For those of you
that aren't aware,
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lithium is-- it's an
element found in the Earth,
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but it's a very toxic element.
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Side effects of lethargy
and weakness and brain
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fog, and along with
the fact that it
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starts to just wreak
havoc on all your organs
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and starts to affect your
thyroid and your kidneys
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and your liver.
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I didn't see any emotion.
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I mean, he sat in a chair
and didn't move for months.
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It was horrible to watch.
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He just appeared that
this was more numbness.
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And all I could think
at the time was,
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get your butt off that
couch or that chair.
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But I knew that
he couldn't do it.
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Was I bipolar?
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I don't know.
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What I do know is that I
felt isolated and different
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from those around me.
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The drugs were hurting
me more than helping.
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Something didn't feel right.
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I questioned my
diagnosis and the lithium
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that sucked the life out of me.
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I was determined to
get my life back.
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Yes, so basically
what I'm looking for
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is just something where I'm
going to be setting it up
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on a tripod, probably
going to be measuring out
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the distance at the same time.
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But it's really basic
what I'm using it for.
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OK, yeah, that should be
pretty simple to solve.
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Full of drugs and
full of questions,
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I decided to record
my journey as I
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try to heal myself
naturally and become normal,
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whatever normal is.
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In February, 2010, I went
to an experimental clinic
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in Costa Rica to safely
detox off of lithium.
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I knew from experience
that to do so
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without the proper
medical support
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could be dangerous, even fatal.
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So in the last five
years, I attempted twice
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to go off of lithium.
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And what I learned
is that I did it
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under not safe and
not proper conditions,
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and both of those
years had really
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kind of disastrous
consequences, extreme lows, two,
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three months of
debilitating depression
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where I couldn't pick
myself up off the floor.
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That was hard to watch him.
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Sadness, the-- a lot of crying,
no interest in doing things
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Here is the chemistry lab.
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Get all cleaned up, all that
lithium that was gunking up,
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trying to come out of my skin.
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And at the end of the month,
I will be off lithium and drug
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free.
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It's February 4, so I have been
here for a couple days now.
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You can see I've just got
little-- underneath here,
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I've got these little electrodes
right at the top of my temples.
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And again, just stimulating
currents into the brain.
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Just to let you know
that I'm definitely
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starting to experience
detox with lithium,
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and manifesting as a
screaming headache.
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It's kind of
interesting in the body
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as you start to release
this stuff, the toxicity,
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the body starts screaming
and actually really wants it.
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Hello again.
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The last few days have
been excruciating.
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I couldn't wander around.
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I couldn't sleep,
body aching, just
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started vomiting this
stuff up everywhere,
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my body rejecting it.
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I literally felt like
I was going to die.
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The end of this week to go
and then two more full weeks.
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I can't wait to see
my mom back home
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and my friends and my family.
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Tonight is the last
night that I will ever
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be taking lithium again
for the rest of my life.
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I've been told,
I've been assured
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that once it's
released and detoxed
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and then the repair has taken
place that my brain function is
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going to come back full force.
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Ah.
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OK, oh God, start again.
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I can't quite imagine what
that's going to feel like,
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but I know it's going
to feel fantastic.
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So his journey to get
off the medication
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has been a long one
and many tough times,
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and he's spent a lot of
time with us during this.
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And I've sort of
blanked on a lot of that
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because it went on
for quite awhile
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that I just blanked on
everything around that.
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Go, go away.
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I want to do this.
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It's been about a
year and a half,
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just over a year and a half
that I've been off of lithium.
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And it's been amazing to feel
myself getting my life back.
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This new found feeling makes me
wonder what other chemicals are
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coursing through my body.
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The next stop on
my journey leads me
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to Dr. John Dempster,
a naturopath who
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treats all kinds of conditions
from cancer to diabetes.
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It's his work with
metal toxicity
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that caught my attention.
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I'm Dr. Dempster.
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Come on in.
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Excellent.
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So Ross, some of
the things we're
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going to be doing with you is
we're going to be assessing
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has there been any residual
effect of any toxicity.
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We're going to be measuring
some specific toxins with you
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like metals.
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We will be measuring some
neurotransmitters with you,
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dopamine, glutamate,
serotonin, the chemicals that
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can aggravate
anxiety, depression
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if they're out of balance.
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But one of the first core
things that I need to do
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is actually do some
blood work with you.
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I need to make sure that your
liver, your kidneys, everything
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is working and processing fine,
because we want to make sure
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that you're capable of handling
some of these therapies
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that we're going to do with you.
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I know you've been
exposed to lithium
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and you've been on
it for some time.
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And I know you're off
it now, which is great.
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But we need to check
to see if there's
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been any residual effect
of being on lithium,
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and we need to
start to understand,
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has there been any
damage done to any
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of your neurological tissue.
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So we're seeing a little
bit of adrenal fatigue here.
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What's happening is your
pupil should constrict,
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and it should hold.
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Yours is actually doing this.
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It's actually enlargening
when the light hits the eye,
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and that's not what
we should be seeing.
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So what is adrenal fatigue?
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What's that?
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Well, it means there's
been a stress on your body.
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As I started coming
out of the fog,
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it was clear I had
more questions.
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What are some of these
psychotropic drugs doing to us?
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I drive to Austin,
Texas, for the answer.
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I reunite with my
friend Gwen Olsen.
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She's the one who told me
about the clinic in Costa Rica.
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Gwen was the top sales rep
for some of the biggest pharma
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companies.
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Now she's their top critic.
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Oh my gosh, you're here.
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Hi.
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How are you doing?
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So good to see you.
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It's good to see you too.
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Oh my gosh, you look so good.
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Aww, thanks, you too.
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I cannot believe how healthy you
are since the last time I saw
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you.
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I know, it's a little bit
different since the last time
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we caught up.
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Just a tad.
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I know.
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No minor meltdowns, I take
it, since I last saw you.
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No, that was a bit of
an interesting ride.
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Before detox, I was on
lithium for 16 years.
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And I know that was a long time.
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Every time I bring that up,
especially people, they're
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like, wow.
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That's a long, long time.
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16 years is a very long time,
and I understand your concern
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about that.
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But lithium is a
natural salt, OK.
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It's highly toxic, as you know.
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But it is something natural,
whereas the other drugs
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are synthetics.
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And you never generally
find a psychiatric patient
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that's just on one or two drugs.
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They're normally on a
cocktail of various drugs.
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And that's where I see
the biggest problem
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with those individuals
who have been
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on long-term
psychiatric treatment
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with a number of
different drugs.
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They seem to have the greatest
difficulty in weaning off
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of the drugs because of
those drugs are actually
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designed to be addicting.
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Right.
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So those drugs are much more
difficult to get off of,
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and I think that that's pretty
much a part of the agenda
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that you've been on
a drug for 15 years,
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and you get off of it
in two weeks' time,
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you're going to go into
an absolute tailspin.
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And they know that.
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But then when you come
back two weeks later
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and you're having
a meltdown, you're
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going to be told that,
well, we're sorry,
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but you're going to have to
be on these drugs for the rest
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of your life because you have
a brain chemistry imbalance,
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and this is what we
have to do to treat it.
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Right.
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So that's the way that they
keep everyone captive, everyone
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prisoner in the system
and on the drugs.
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So now not only do
you have depression.
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Now you're so severely depressed
that you can't get out of bed.
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You can't function.
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You can't work.
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Or not only did
you have anxiety,
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but now you're having
panic attacks because
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of the withdrawal
from the drugs.
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And people do not identify
that as withdrawal.
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What they think is that they're
having an exacerbation--
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Exacerbation of their
disease or whatever.
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-- of their own disease
symptoms-- exactly.
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And then they freak
out, and they go back
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on the drugs for the
rest of their lives.
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This is a disease.
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It's a spiritual disease as
much as it is anything else.
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And you need to figure out what
the root cause of the problem
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is.
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There are so many
different things
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that can lead to
psychiatric symptoms.
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And people simply need
to do their homework.
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So that's what I
would advise you
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to do is get to
the root of it all.
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And once you have, then
you'll know all the answers.
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So it is 1:00 AM November
24, and you're probably
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wondering what on
earth is in my mouth.
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I thought it was good to
actually check in and see
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that this is part of
reality, because I still
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can have these waves of anxiety.
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It's this excess of
energy in my body.
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And where I've put that
sometimes is actually
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it's gone to a behavior that's
been actually quite painful
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and caused damage to
myself, like chewing my lip.
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One of my goals
through this process
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is to actually rid
myself of this behavior
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so that when I feel
this energy come
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on that know how to
move it through the body
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without actually going to
a behavior that has-- yeah,
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it's been a self-mutilating
obsessive compulsive behavior.
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Hey Ross, good to see you.
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We gave you a call
because we have
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found some things we're
going to talk about, OK?
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We did two tests
with you, and we
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started by looking
for recent exposure
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to mercury in your blood.
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Have a look at this.
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Two big metals that are coming
out on top of the other ones,
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and that's lead and mercury.
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OK.
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These are neurotoxins,
and these are serious.
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And what these can do, these can
actually disrupt how we feel,
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how we think.
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These are not only
disrupting brain chemistry,
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but they have the
potential to create
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serious illness such as
cancer, heart disease.
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These can be the triggers into
drop into a psychotic episode.
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These are environmental toxins
that we are not born with
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or were not supposed
to be born with,
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and that's something that we're
going to try and bring these
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down with you.
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And it's going to take
a number of treatments.
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This may actually take between
30 and 40 IV treatments
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to bring these down.
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What happens is metals, if
they come into our body,
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it's a very hard process
for us to get them out.
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If they're stored, we
actually have to in there,
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and we have to grab
them and drag them out.
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And that is actually a
process called chelation.
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Chelate means to grab.
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Have you had some food today?
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Yep.
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Lots of water?
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Yeah, some.
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Good man.
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So we're not-- we don't have
your chelator in the bag yet.
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I'm going to go add
that in right now.
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That whole-- that drains
in a half an hour.
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Yeah.
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That's fast.
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Pay attention, Ross.
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I learned pretty
early on and when
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I was young to
keep my mouth shut.
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When I would go to speak up,
it wasn't accepted very well,
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and I would get shut down.
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Keeping my mouth shut doesn't
work so well for me anymore,
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doesn't work at all, actually.
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By not speaking up, I
think that's contributed
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to a lot of anxiety and
a lot of depression.
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I think that's what's caused an
enormous amount of my symptoms.
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I actually had moments
where I was so emotional
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today where I actually I
was buying into, oh my god,
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am I not well again at all?
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And I know that's bullshit too.
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Somehow we've gotten
to this point in time
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where emotions are not cool,
and if you have emotions,
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that somehow that
needs to be diagnosed,
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and you need to be
medicated with it.
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Let's just get to the root
cause of these issues.
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Let's find out so people
that buy into this,
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I have this disease.
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I'm told I'm going
to have to kind
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of deal with these
symptoms and manage
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these symptoms for
the rest of my life,
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but no room for transformation,
no room for healing.
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And actually, I found myself
getting really pissed off
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about that.
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Where does the personality
end and the disease begin?
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Life getting you down?
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Do you ever feel like
nothing makes you smile?
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Don't feel motivated?
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Just can't find
anything good on TV?
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Addictarin can help.
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Addictarin will add
bounce to your step.
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Yahoo!
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Turn that frown upside down.
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See the world through new eyes.
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Addictarin, it's your
turn to be happy.
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Side effects may include
trouble concentrating,
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memory loss, anxiety, panic
attacks, fainting, seizures,
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diarrhea, constipation, dry
mouth, drooling, night sweats,
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dry heaves, hair loss, insomnia,
unusual risk taking behavior,
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decreased inhibitions, no
fear of danger, weight gain,
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weight loss, hallucinations,
unusual thoughts, death,
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and halitosis.
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I thought it was
appropriate, given
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that we're doing a
film on mental illness
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and mental health that I would
dress up as the Mad Hatter.
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I'm about to go out
with my lovely lady,
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and we're about to go out
and hit a little Halloween
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festivities.
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That is that for October
31, 2011, Halloween.
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Ross went to the lithium
clinic in San Jose, Costa Rica,
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which is where I
lived for 12 years.
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I showed up to sell
some of my products,
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and he was at breakfast.
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I made handmade soap,
cream, mud masks.
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There was Ross and
a friend of his,
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and we sat down and
had breakfast together.
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You're like, uh,
yeah, you don't need
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to bring your whole computer and
hardware in to deal with that.
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I think he's one of the kindest,
most loving people I've ever
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met in my life.
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One of his major
journeys in life
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is to make everybody around
him comfortable and happy.
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So I think we're
fortunate in the fact
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that in our relationship,
we've both done a lot of work,
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whether that's psychological
work, whether it's
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interpersonal work, whether
it's spiritual work.
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And so we're very
open with each other.
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And then they're just
like, [inaudible].
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We all know somebody who's going
through some very deep pain
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and who unfortunately
has turned that pain
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into some sort of
action that got labeled.
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And I think Ross now
sees it more as his duty
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to say, hey,
there's more avenues
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to talk about that pain.
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Letting go of some
of the symptoms
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that come along with having
18 years of suppressing
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regular emotions, I think
that's very struggling.
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00:22:30,849 --> 00:22:34,586
I've definitely
seen him depressed.
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00:22:34,686 --> 00:22:38,056
I've definitely seen him
go through not wanting
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00:22:38,156 --> 00:22:39,725
to be around people
and just disappear.
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00:22:42,327 --> 00:22:46,465
It took me a long time to
realize that Ross actually
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00:22:46,565 --> 00:22:49,835
believed that he had things
he needed to let go of,
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00:22:49,935 --> 00:22:51,703
and he needed help
letting go of them.
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00:23:07,986 --> 00:23:12,124
Parmenio's a gentleman
who lives in Cartagena.
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00:23:12,224 --> 00:23:15,894
He's a naturopathic
doctor by trade,
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00:23:15,994 --> 00:23:23,702
and he has an ability to
contact spirits and work
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00:23:23,802 --> 00:23:25,270
with them to do psychic surgery.
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He's worked with my dad, my mom.
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So [inaudible], I was
just going to ask you too,
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you know this journey I'm on
of self-healing and I've been
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medicated with lithium
for quite a long time,
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and so I've just wondered if
there's-- you get any sense,
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like do you think when it comes
to that he may be able to help
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me out?
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00:23:50,162 --> 00:23:51,463
I can not tell you
what to do, but I
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think that it would be good for
you to try something like this
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because I think he has
helped a lot of people.
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And also, he was
born with this gift
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that he is able to
talk to spirits.
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00:24:04,142 --> 00:24:06,178
And I don't know if
the word is channeling,
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00:24:06,278 --> 00:24:08,613
but maybe that's what he does.
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I mean, I have seen
miracles happening.
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So for you in your
case, he probably
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will do a detox in
the spiritual world.
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00:24:34,873 --> 00:24:37,342
It's important for me not
to be afraid of the anxiety.
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00:24:40,679 --> 00:24:43,782
The freak outs are
real, and the freak outs
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are not because I'm sick
but because I'm human.
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00:24:55,427 --> 00:24:56,661
I get to feel upset.
431
00:24:56,761 --> 00:24:58,096
I get to feel sadness.
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00:24:58,196 --> 00:25:00,065
I get to feel anger.
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00:25:00,165 --> 00:25:02,601
I really like the fact that I
get to feel all of my emotions.
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It's a very new
experience for me,
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00:25:11,443 --> 00:25:14,613
because when I was on
lithium, I was completely
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00:25:14,713 --> 00:25:19,618
deadened and flatlined where
I didn't have access to that,
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00:25:19,718 --> 00:25:23,788
not allowing or creating
the ability to heal.
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00:25:26,825 --> 00:25:29,928
My father died before
I started this journey.
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00:25:30,028 --> 00:25:31,496
He never got to see
me off the drugs.
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00:25:34,666 --> 00:25:37,702
Parmenio, can you
explain what we'll
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00:25:37,802 --> 00:25:39,604
be doing today in
today's treatment?
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00:25:39,704 --> 00:25:40,572
[speaking spanish]
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00:25:52,684 --> 00:25:54,953
I was wondering if, today if
you were working my father's
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spirit for the treatment.
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[speaking spanish]
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00:26:15,073 --> 00:26:15,941
OK, muy bueno.
447
00:26:24,482 --> 00:26:26,885
[music playing]
448
00:26:53,878 --> 00:26:54,779
[speaking spanish]
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00:26:54,879 --> 00:27:58,777
[music playing]
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00:27:58,877 --> 00:27:59,511
[speaking spanish]
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00:27:59,611 --> 00:28:00,145
Lithium?
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00:28:00,245 --> 00:28:00,779
[speaking spanish]
453
00:28:16,961 --> 00:28:20,932
It's January 25, 2012, and I had
my first session with Parmenio
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today.
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I noticed when the
session first started,
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I could feel my
father's presence
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00:28:26,638 --> 00:28:29,374
and felt myself
getting emotional.
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00:28:29,474 --> 00:28:32,844
Just as my father was
getting ready to pass on
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00:28:32,944 --> 00:28:34,579
and those last couple
months of his life,
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00:28:34,679 --> 00:28:36,481
and one of the last
conversations that we had
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00:28:36,581 --> 00:28:38,483
was me really asking him.
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00:28:38,583 --> 00:28:41,486
I said, I need your help
when you cross over,
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and whatever you can
do in the other realms
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00:28:43,354 --> 00:28:47,025
and the other dimensions
to help me sort this out.
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00:28:47,125 --> 00:28:49,394
But I think what was the
most amazing part was just
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00:28:49,494 --> 00:28:52,530
how Parmenio, at the end,
I just, I said thank you.
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00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:53,698
And he responded back to me.
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00:28:53,798 --> 00:28:55,500
He said, don't thank me.
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00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:56,234
Thank your father.
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00:28:59,771 --> 00:29:03,508
Even though I felt great,
part of me was skeptical.
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00:29:03,608 --> 00:29:06,978
I detoxed off of
lithium two years ago.
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00:29:07,078 --> 00:29:10,181
How could it
possibly show up now?
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00:29:10,281 --> 00:29:13,218
So I turned to Dr. Dempster.
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00:29:13,318 --> 00:29:14,419
Hey, Ross, come on in.
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00:29:14,519 --> 00:29:15,353
Yeah.
476
00:29:15,453 --> 00:29:17,122
We just got the
results in from--
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00:29:17,222 --> 00:29:18,389
They came in.
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00:29:18,490 --> 00:29:20,859
--the cotton ball that we
had tested with the lab.
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00:29:20,959 --> 00:29:22,060
Right.
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00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,129
Truthfully, I was very
skeptical of the treatment
481
00:29:24,229 --> 00:29:25,296
you were doing down there.
482
00:29:25,396 --> 00:29:26,064
Right.
483
00:29:26,164 --> 00:29:28,032
And I've got to show you.
484
00:29:28,133 --> 00:29:31,536
The lab sent back
the results, and not
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00:29:31,636 --> 00:29:35,640
only did it detect mercury,
but it detected lithium.
486
00:29:35,740 --> 00:29:38,143
What's interesting about that
as well is that I brought back
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00:29:38,243 --> 00:29:40,779
a little tiny piece of after
the treatments were done.
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00:29:40,879 --> 00:29:42,347
But there was a big
jar, and so there
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00:29:42,447 --> 00:29:44,549
was a huge amount of that
cotton that was discolored.
490
00:29:44,649 --> 00:29:48,253
So this is just kind of a
fraction of what was pulled.
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00:29:48,353 --> 00:29:49,087
So--
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00:29:49,187 --> 00:29:50,855
This is very interesting to us.
493
00:29:50,955 --> 00:29:51,890
Wow.
494
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:53,124
Even the lab was interested.
495
00:29:53,224 --> 00:29:54,993
Everyone's just sort of
scratching their head
496
00:29:55,093 --> 00:29:56,728
on this one.
497
00:29:56,828 --> 00:29:58,129
It was worth the
trip to Colombia.
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00:29:58,229 --> 00:29:58,963
That's right.
499
00:29:59,063 --> 00:30:00,131
Good job.
500
00:30:00,231 --> 00:30:02,400
So it's February 8, 2012.
501
00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:05,537
It's actually officially mental
health day here in Canada.
502
00:30:05,637 --> 00:30:07,372
The days keep rolling, rolling.
503
00:30:10,909 --> 00:30:15,079
We're living in a wacky
world, that's for sure.
504
00:30:15,180 --> 00:30:19,517
Feeling very rough today
and very emotional.
505
00:30:19,617 --> 00:30:22,587
Incredible challenges
with the woman
506
00:30:22,687 --> 00:30:24,355
who I love dearly
and loves me dearly.
507
00:30:24,455 --> 00:30:25,824
And yeah.
508
00:30:29,894 --> 00:30:32,897
Just causing a lot of anxiety
and a lot of stress and just
509
00:30:32,997 --> 00:30:38,236
the fear or being alone and
actually taking care of myself.
510
00:30:38,336 --> 00:30:38,970
I'm done for now.
511
00:30:39,070 --> 00:30:40,438
I'm tired.
512
00:30:40,538 --> 00:30:42,040
And yeah.
513
00:31:06,798 --> 00:31:08,066
I got the phone call from Ross.
514
00:31:13,037 --> 00:31:15,440
He was in New York City at the
time on the student exchange.
515
00:31:19,677 --> 00:31:21,312
His voice was sped up.
516
00:31:21,412 --> 00:31:22,680
He wasn't sleeping.
517
00:31:25,984 --> 00:31:29,554
And I knew that the behavior
and what I was hearing
518
00:31:29,654 --> 00:31:30,989
wasn't the brother that I knew.
519
00:31:31,089 --> 00:31:32,957
Hey, hey, can I buy you dinner?
520
00:31:33,057 --> 00:31:33,992
I know you don't know me.
521
00:31:34,092 --> 00:31:34,726
I don't know you.
522
00:31:34,826 --> 00:31:35,393
I'm serious.
523
00:31:35,493 --> 00:31:36,227
Let's go right now.
524
00:31:36,327 --> 00:31:37,128
Come on, come on, just come on.
525
00:31:37,228 --> 00:31:38,062
Come on, come on.
526
00:31:41,232 --> 00:31:42,467
I'm on the streets, brother man.
527
00:31:42,567 --> 00:31:44,235
I'm hungry and
I'm homeless, man.
528
00:31:44,335 --> 00:31:46,037
OK, OK.
529
00:31:46,137 --> 00:31:49,841
He told me he was feeding people
in the soup kitchens all night,
530
00:31:49,941 --> 00:31:52,143
and he was giving away
his clothes and his money.
531
00:31:52,243 --> 00:31:53,244
Here, you need some money?
532
00:31:53,344 --> 00:31:54,245
Here, just take it.
533
00:31:54,345 --> 00:31:54,746
Take it.
534
00:31:59,584 --> 00:32:01,986
And then when I heard he thought
he could fly off the Empire
535
00:32:02,086 --> 00:32:05,156
State Building and land safely
was when I said, are you
536
00:32:05,256 --> 00:32:06,891
willing to come home?
537
00:32:06,991 --> 00:32:08,526
Hey, hey, hey.
538
00:32:08,626 --> 00:32:10,895
If I went right up there to
the top, I could totally fly.
539
00:32:10,995 --> 00:32:11,596
If I could do it, I would do it.
540
00:32:11,696 --> 00:32:12,163
I'd fly.
541
00:32:12,263 --> 00:32:13,331
I'd just fly.
542
00:32:21,272 --> 00:32:24,809
When he arrived at the airport,
I picked him up, and he-- you
543
00:32:24,909 --> 00:32:26,411
know, at Toronto
International Airport
544
00:32:26,511 --> 00:32:29,514
where you have that border
that you walk through.
545
00:32:29,614 --> 00:32:33,251
Well, he jumped over it and
landed in front of me, big hug,
546
00:32:33,351 --> 00:32:35,186
and his eyes were glazed.
547
00:32:35,286 --> 00:32:41,459
And he had lost, I don't know,
30 pounds and just sped up.
548
00:32:41,559 --> 00:32:44,963
Planned an intervention
at Grant Valley Hospital.
549
00:32:45,063 --> 00:32:47,265
Everybody's world was
rocked because here's
550
00:32:47,365 --> 00:32:50,201
this prodigal son
excelling at everything,
551
00:32:50,301 --> 00:32:51,936
and then all of a
sudden something's off.
552
00:32:55,606 --> 00:32:58,309
The state he was in, the
amount of weight he had lost,
553
00:32:58,409 --> 00:33:00,478
I just said, you
could be in jeopardy
554
00:33:00,578 --> 00:33:01,746
of having a heart attack.
555
00:33:01,846 --> 00:33:03,781
Will you come to the
hospital with me?
556
00:33:03,881 --> 00:33:07,018
So he said, oh my
god, yeah, of course.
557
00:33:07,118 --> 00:33:10,488
And we went into the hospital,
and the whole family was there.
558
00:33:10,588 --> 00:33:12,123
The doctor was there,
and it was clear
559
00:33:12,223 --> 00:33:13,891
that they needed to admit him.
560
00:33:17,095 --> 00:33:19,430
There were pieces of
Ross that came out
561
00:33:19,530 --> 00:33:21,032
that I'd never witnessed before.
562
00:33:24,135 --> 00:33:26,571
I remember him turning
to my dad and going, so,
563
00:33:26,671 --> 00:33:28,106
what the fuck do
you think of me now?
564
00:33:28,206 --> 00:33:29,307
I'm a big chick magnet.
565
00:33:29,407 --> 00:33:30,541
I drive a convertible.
566
00:33:30,641 --> 00:33:32,176
Fucking proud of me now?
567
00:33:32,276 --> 00:33:35,313
So the truth was coming out.
568
00:33:35,413 --> 00:33:39,417
And my dad, he didn't
know what to do with this.
569
00:33:39,517 --> 00:33:42,487
Ross somewhat got trapped
in the mirror of my father,
570
00:33:42,587 --> 00:33:44,822
if that makes any sense.
571
00:33:44,922 --> 00:33:47,325
There was a lot of pressure in
terms of being the number one
572
00:33:47,425 --> 00:33:51,696
athlete, in terms of whether
it was scholastically,
573
00:33:51,796 --> 00:33:53,531
whether it was socially.
574
00:33:53,631 --> 00:33:55,800
I think Ross felt
a lot of pressure
575
00:33:55,900 --> 00:33:59,037
to live up to whatever
it was my dad expected
576
00:33:59,137 --> 00:34:00,171
of him, which was a lot.
577
00:34:03,341 --> 00:34:07,578
So it's May 3, 2012, and we're
on our way to Philadelphia
578
00:34:07,678 --> 00:34:09,881
to the American Psychiatric
Association Conference.
579
00:34:09,981 --> 00:34:12,750
It's at the headquarters
in Philadelphia.
580
00:34:12,850 --> 00:34:17,422
And there is also going to be a
global demonstration going on.
581
00:34:17,522 --> 00:34:19,357
I have no idea of the
numbers, what to expect.
582
00:34:19,457 --> 00:34:20,792
But I know that
it's been promoted
583
00:34:20,892 --> 00:34:24,228
for the last few months.
584
00:34:24,328 --> 00:34:25,696
[music playing]
585
00:34:47,285 --> 00:34:50,288
It's taking me a long
time to find my voice.
586
00:34:50,388 --> 00:34:52,557
But once in Philly,
I find others
587
00:34:52,657 --> 00:34:53,791
who aren't afraid to speak up.
588
00:34:57,462 --> 00:35:00,865
Laura Delano was diagnosed
bipolar as a teenager.
589
00:35:00,965 --> 00:35:02,400
She treated her
symptoms with drugs
590
00:35:02,500 --> 00:35:06,070
and quietly accepted her
condition, until now.
591
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:11,509
Hi.
592
00:35:11,609 --> 00:35:12,009
Hi.
593
00:35:26,357 --> 00:35:27,925
It is an honor to be
able to call myself
594
00:35:28,025 --> 00:35:31,195
a psychiatric survivor,
especially one representing
595
00:35:31,295 --> 00:35:33,397
my generation.
596
00:35:33,498 --> 00:35:35,099
My generation has
grown up believing
597
00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:36,801
that if we can't
focus on our work
598
00:35:36,901 --> 00:35:39,170
because we're distracted by
the boy we have a crush on,
599
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:41,472
by the upcoming game
we're playing in,
600
00:35:41,572 --> 00:35:44,208
or by the constant bombardment
of media from which we can't
601
00:35:44,308 --> 00:35:47,778
escape, we have a brain disease
and subsequently medicated
602
00:35:47,879 --> 00:35:51,215
with brightly colored capsules
and bitter tasting pills.
603
00:35:51,315 --> 00:35:53,618
During my 13 years in
the mental health system,
604
00:35:53,718 --> 00:35:55,987
I believed that I was
broken and incapable
605
00:35:56,087 --> 00:35:58,556
of being fixed, that
I needed psychiatry
606
00:35:58,656 --> 00:36:00,858
to create a life that came
anywhere close to being
607
00:36:00,958 --> 00:36:03,794
considered normal, that
my emotional suffering was
608
00:36:03,895 --> 00:36:06,564
due to something wrong with
my brain and not the fact
609
00:36:06,664 --> 00:36:09,534
that I was a young girl trying
to make sense of herself
610
00:36:09,634 --> 00:36:13,337
in a culture based so much
on performance achievement
611
00:36:13,437 --> 00:36:16,741
and perfection, that the
emptiness I felt inside
612
00:36:16,841 --> 00:36:19,243
was because I was
severely borderline.
613
00:36:19,343 --> 00:36:20,845
I kept waiting and
waiting for the day
614
00:36:20,945 --> 00:36:23,648
to come when my psychiatrists
and my medications
615
00:36:23,748 --> 00:36:25,049
would give me a
life worth living,
616
00:36:25,149 --> 00:36:26,951
and that day never came.
617
00:36:27,051 --> 00:36:29,820
Instead, my life became
lonelier, emptier, and number
618
00:36:29,921 --> 00:36:31,789
than it had ever been before.
619
00:36:31,889 --> 00:36:34,125
The profound anger I
have today for those
620
00:36:34,225 --> 00:36:37,028
still labeled and still trapped
within the biomedical paradigm
621
00:36:37,128 --> 00:36:40,631
of psychiatry is a healthy one
that fuels me and motivates
622
00:36:40,731 --> 00:36:42,667
me to do whatever I
can to make a change.
623
00:36:56,647 --> 00:36:57,515
We got some labels.
624
00:36:57,615 --> 00:36:59,517
Get your labels, hot labels.
625
00:36:59,617 --> 00:37:01,485
Anyone else want an ADHD?
626
00:37:01,586 --> 00:37:02,486
Yes please.
627
00:37:02,587 --> 00:37:03,454
Bipolar!
628
00:37:03,554 --> 00:37:04,956
We've got bipolar.
629
00:37:05,056 --> 00:37:05,957
Human rights.
630
00:37:06,057 --> 00:37:07,425
When do we want them?
631
00:37:07,525 --> 00:37:08,426
Now!
632
00:37:08,526 --> 00:37:09,393
Human rights.
633
00:37:09,493 --> 00:37:10,895
When do we want it?
634
00:37:10,995 --> 00:37:11,896
Now!
635
00:37:11,996 --> 00:37:14,799
You're on the wrong
side, psychotic.
636
00:37:14,899 --> 00:37:16,634
Now he's labeled psychotic.
637
00:37:16,734 --> 00:37:17,602
Label charts.
638
00:37:17,702 --> 00:37:19,070
Not people.
639
00:37:19,170 --> 00:37:20,037
Label charts.
640
00:37:20,137 --> 00:37:22,139
Not people.
641
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:24,976
I'm here today as a
psychiatric survivor.
642
00:37:25,076 --> 00:37:26,310
I'm a psychiatric survivor.
643
00:37:26,410 --> 00:37:27,478
I'm a psychiatric survivor.
644
00:37:27,578 --> 00:37:29,347
The first time I ever
met the psychiatrist,
645
00:37:29,447 --> 00:37:31,382
he gave me six prescriptions.
646
00:37:31,482 --> 00:37:35,152
Prozac, Zoloft,
trazodone, TOPAMAX,
647
00:37:35,253 --> 00:37:36,921
which I ended up overdosing on.
648
00:37:37,021 --> 00:37:39,490
I had lithium
toxicity at age 16.
649
00:37:39,590 --> 00:37:43,661
Wellbutrin, trazodone,
and Lamictal.
650
00:37:43,761 --> 00:37:45,429
I'm a licensed psychologist.
651
00:37:45,529 --> 00:37:47,732
Two-year-olds who
have temper tantrums
652
00:37:47,832 --> 00:37:50,167
are told that they
have bipolar disease,
653
00:37:50,268 --> 00:37:52,103
and they're medicating
young children,
654
00:37:52,203 --> 00:37:54,839
and they're absolutely
destroying lives.
655
00:37:54,939 --> 00:37:57,041
My favorite label of all
of them was an at-risk.
656
00:37:57,141 --> 00:38:02,179
Hey, hey, APA, how many
kids did you kill today?
657
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,115
You know, I don't know
what they're protesting.
658
00:38:04,215 --> 00:38:08,219
If they're protesting being
labeled, say, like bipolar,
659
00:38:08,319 --> 00:38:10,187
it would be like
saying somebody's
660
00:38:10,288 --> 00:38:12,356
labeled because
they have cancer.
661
00:38:12,456 --> 00:38:13,824
And is that a label?
662
00:38:13,924 --> 00:38:15,760
I don't think it's
a label per se.
663
00:38:15,860 --> 00:38:19,063
I think it's a
condition of the mind,
664
00:38:19,163 --> 00:38:20,965
and it's eminently treatable.
665
00:38:21,065 --> 00:38:24,068
So that's what
psychiatrists tries to do.
666
00:38:24,168 --> 00:38:27,305
It tries to resume--
restore normal functioning.
667
00:38:27,405 --> 00:38:28,706
What do we want?
668
00:38:28,806 --> 00:38:29,640
Human rights.
669
00:38:29,740 --> 00:38:31,075
When do we want it?
670
00:38:31,175 --> 00:38:32,476
Now!
671
00:38:32,576 --> 00:38:33,811
I've traveled 600 miles.
672
00:38:33,911 --> 00:38:36,447
It's the first time I've
travel alone in 11 years.
673
00:38:36,547 --> 00:38:38,115
It's that important to me.
674
00:38:38,215 --> 00:38:41,952
I'm here today to rip
up my bipolar label.
675
00:38:42,053 --> 00:38:44,689
Yeah.
676
00:38:44,789 --> 00:38:45,990
I am not a label.
677
00:38:46,090 --> 00:38:49,493
And the day I stop apologizing
for myself is right now.
678
00:38:55,199 --> 00:38:57,068
We cannot be stopped.
679
00:38:57,168 --> 00:38:59,036
We cannot be stopped.
680
00:38:59,136 --> 00:39:00,338
We cannot be stopped.
681
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:09,380
This book is the root cause
of the protesters' anger.
682
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,116
It's the book that
creates all these labels,
683
00:39:12,216 --> 00:39:15,019
the Diagnostic and Statistical
Manual of Mental Disorders,
684
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:16,921
or the DSM for short.
685
00:39:17,021 --> 00:39:21,158
It's often referred to as
the Bible of psychiatry.
686
00:39:21,258 --> 00:39:23,894
Published by the American
Psychiatric Association,
687
00:39:23,994 --> 00:39:26,263
it's used by clinicians
and psychiatrists
688
00:39:26,364 --> 00:39:29,100
to diagnose
psychiatric illnesses.
689
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,370
The current edition
has 365 diagnoses
690
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:36,474
and defines the ways
our brains can go awry.
691
00:39:36,574 --> 00:39:38,275
Once a label gets
dispensed, that
692
00:39:38,376 --> 00:39:40,177
means drugs can be
prescribed to treat it.
693
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:48,152
For Robert Whitaker, the
labels didn't make sense.
694
00:39:48,252 --> 00:39:49,553
So he made a career
debunking what
695
00:39:49,653 --> 00:39:53,057
he calls the myths
behind mental disorders.
696
00:39:53,157 --> 00:39:54,759
There's sort of a
story that has come out
697
00:39:54,859 --> 00:39:57,194
of the APA over the past
30 years in a form of care
698
00:39:57,294 --> 00:39:59,563
and a belief in what's possible.
699
00:39:59,663 --> 00:40:02,066
And I think a meeting
like this is really
700
00:40:02,166 --> 00:40:05,569
looking for perhaps a different
vision of what's possible.
701
00:40:05,669 --> 00:40:08,072
I've read his bestselling
books, Mad in America
702
00:40:08,172 --> 00:40:10,641
and Anatomy of an Epidemic.
703
00:40:10,741 --> 00:40:12,042
I wanted him to
explain to me why
704
00:40:12,143 --> 00:40:15,012
we're seeing more people
diagnosed with mental illnesses
705
00:40:15,112 --> 00:40:17,648
than ever before.
706
00:40:17,748 --> 00:40:19,383
I wanted to first ask
as a journalist, how
707
00:40:19,483 --> 00:40:21,185
did this topic of mental
health, how did it
708
00:40:21,285 --> 00:40:24,255
become such a passion for to
research and write about it?
709
00:40:24,355 --> 00:40:26,457
From 1994 to 1998,
I had a company
710
00:40:26,557 --> 00:40:28,125
that reported on
the business aspects
711
00:40:28,225 --> 00:40:30,327
of bringing new drugs to market.
712
00:40:30,428 --> 00:40:33,531
Came upon studies by the
World Health Organization
713
00:40:33,631 --> 00:40:35,833
that found that patients
diagnosed with schizophrenia
714
00:40:35,933 --> 00:40:38,269
in the poor countries of the
world did better, much better
715
00:40:38,369 --> 00:40:40,171
than in the rich
countries of the world.
716
00:40:40,271 --> 00:40:41,906
And so I wanted to know why.
717
00:40:42,006 --> 00:40:44,108
I found that patients
in the poor countries
718
00:40:44,208 --> 00:40:47,077
weren't being maintained on
medications long term, most
719
00:40:47,178 --> 00:40:48,279
of them.
720
00:40:48,379 --> 00:40:50,214
And this belied everything
I knew as a journalist
721
00:40:50,314 --> 00:40:51,348
to be true.
722
00:40:51,449 --> 00:40:52,783
Because my understanding
was anybody diagnosed
723
00:40:52,883 --> 00:40:55,286
with schizophrenia needed
to be on the meds for life
724
00:40:55,386 --> 00:40:57,154
because they were like
insulin for diabetes.
725
00:40:57,254 --> 00:41:00,090
And then once I began reporting
on it and researching,
726
00:41:00,191 --> 00:41:03,561
it became clear to me that
the story we as a society
727
00:41:03,661 --> 00:41:05,863
were telling ourselves
about making great advances
728
00:41:05,963 --> 00:41:08,632
in understanding the
biology of mental disorders
729
00:41:08,732 --> 00:41:10,768
and great advances in
treating mental disorders,
730
00:41:10,868 --> 00:41:12,503
it wasn't a true story.
731
00:41:12,603 --> 00:41:14,238
And that myth,
that delusion, was
732
00:41:14,338 --> 00:41:15,639
causing a great deal of harm.
733
00:41:15,739 --> 00:41:18,008
Why do you think we're seeing
such an increase in psych
734
00:41:18,108 --> 00:41:20,110
labels and psych medications?
735
00:41:20,211 --> 00:41:21,645
The only real way
to understand it
736
00:41:21,745 --> 00:41:23,614
is through a capitalistic lens.
737
00:41:23,714 --> 00:41:27,051
So you make drugs,
what do you want to do?
738
00:41:27,151 --> 00:41:29,687
You want to increase
the market, right?
739
00:41:29,787 --> 00:41:31,422
So the way you
increase the market
740
00:41:31,522 --> 00:41:35,125
is you expand the definitions
of who needs the drug, right?
741
00:41:35,226 --> 00:41:38,863
I remember calling up someone
at a pharmaceutical company
742
00:41:38,963 --> 00:41:41,665
and asking them about the
chemical imbalance theory.
743
00:41:41,765 --> 00:41:43,334
And he says, well,
it's not really true.
744
00:41:43,434 --> 00:41:44,602
And I said, what do
you mean it's not true?
745
00:41:44,702 --> 00:41:46,904
Uh, we say that to get
people to take the drugs.
746
00:41:47,004 --> 00:41:48,072
He said that to you.
747
00:41:48,172 --> 00:41:51,675
Yeah, and I'm like,
well, I didn't know that.
748
00:41:51,775 --> 00:41:54,478
It's a business success story.
749
00:41:54,578 --> 00:41:57,281
What are your thoughts today
with the DSM-V coming out?
750
00:41:57,381 --> 00:41:59,683
What are your
thoughts on the DSM-V?
751
00:41:59,783 --> 00:42:03,420
Listen everybody's going to be
in DSM-V. Every single person
752
00:42:03,521 --> 00:42:05,222
can find themselves
in DSM-V. Actually, I
753
00:42:05,322 --> 00:42:07,291
think they can find
themselves in DSM-IV.
754
00:42:07,391 --> 00:42:10,528
But trust me, you'll be in
DSM-V. I'll be in DSM-V.
755
00:42:10,628 --> 00:42:11,362
And it means--
756
00:42:11,462 --> 00:42:12,296
I'm already in DSM-III and IV.
757
00:42:12,396 --> 00:42:13,197
OK, you're already
in III and IV.
758
00:42:13,297 --> 00:42:14,231
Technically.
759
00:42:14,331 --> 00:42:16,300
But what I'm saying
is, we've allowed
760
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,670
so many categories of
feelings, emotions,
761
00:42:19,770 --> 00:42:22,740
moods that if you
go to a psychiatrist
762
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,742
or actually if you go to
your doctor complaining
763
00:42:24,842 --> 00:42:30,047
of some unease, you will
be eligible for a diagnosis
764
00:42:30,147 --> 00:42:31,415
and a treatment.
765
00:42:31,515 --> 00:42:33,384
Here's what is really,
really exciting
766
00:42:33,484 --> 00:42:35,753
about what just got discovered
and what's going on.
767
00:42:35,853 --> 00:42:39,223
A man by the name of Allen
Frances, who is literally
768
00:42:39,323 --> 00:42:42,626
lead editor of the fourth
edition of the psychiatric
769
00:42:42,726 --> 00:42:45,296
Diagnostic and
Statistics Manual,
770
00:42:45,396 --> 00:42:49,466
he is actually coming out
to say that what he has done
771
00:42:49,567 --> 00:42:53,070
and the manual that he created,
he is actually mortified by it.
772
00:42:53,170 --> 00:42:54,772
And I want to just
read a quote because I
773
00:42:54,872 --> 00:42:56,173
think it's really important.
774
00:42:56,273 --> 00:42:59,276
This is Allen Frances quoted as
saying, "We made mistakes that
775
00:42:59,376 --> 00:43:02,179
had terrible consequences
with the Diagnostic Statistics
776
00:43:02,279 --> 00:43:03,948
Manual number four.
777
00:43:04,048 --> 00:43:07,685
Diagnosis of autism, attention
deficit hyperactivity disorder,
778
00:43:07,785 --> 00:43:10,521
and bipolar disorder
skyrocketed."
779
00:43:10,621 --> 00:43:12,222
And Frances thinks
that his manual
780
00:43:12,323 --> 00:43:15,826
inadvertently facilitated these
academics and in the bargain
781
00:43:15,926 --> 00:43:19,496
fostered an increasing tendency
to chalk up life's difficulties
782
00:43:19,597 --> 00:43:22,199
to mental illness and then treat
them with psychiatric drugs.
783
00:43:22,299 --> 00:43:24,134
Again, this isn't about
an attack on everyone.
784
00:43:24,234 --> 00:43:26,036
This is about, let's
create the awareness.
785
00:43:26,136 --> 00:43:28,472
Let's actually get things
right, and let's move forward
786
00:43:28,572 --> 00:43:31,141
in creating a new reality
so we can get people help
787
00:43:31,241 --> 00:43:33,577
and not actually get people
into a situation where there's
788
00:43:33,677 --> 00:43:35,446
more and more sickness
and illness being created
789
00:43:35,546 --> 00:43:37,681
that actually isn't even
real and doesn't even exist.
790
00:44:01,972 --> 00:44:06,477
When he was young, seeing the
doctor at CAMH and saying he
791
00:44:06,577 --> 00:44:10,748
still wanted to come off
lithium, and the doctor said,
792
00:44:10,848 --> 00:44:12,082
oh no, he can't.
793
00:44:12,182 --> 00:44:15,953
And Ross said, why don't you
try it and see how it feels?
794
00:44:16,053 --> 00:44:18,522
And with that, the doctor
walked into the door,
795
00:44:18,622 --> 00:44:21,191
and that was the last time
I think he saw the doctor.
796
00:44:30,567 --> 00:44:34,238
I'm not knowledgeable enough
about the whole disease.
797
00:44:34,338 --> 00:44:38,175
But seeing him the
way he is now--
798
00:44:38,275 --> 00:44:39,009
Any other questions?
799
00:44:42,579 --> 00:44:45,315
--I think there may
be some misdiagnosis.
800
00:44:45,416 --> 00:44:48,452
I think there's a possibility.
801
00:44:48,552 --> 00:44:50,054
I'm feeling better
and better each day,
802
00:44:50,154 --> 00:44:53,424
and I'm really happy about that.
803
00:44:53,524 --> 00:44:57,227
I am so delighted now
to see the changes.
804
00:44:57,327 --> 00:45:00,998
And I've had people recently
ask me how Ross is doing,
805
00:45:01,098 --> 00:45:03,500
and I said amazing.
806
00:45:06,704 --> 00:45:07,404
Much more focused.
807
00:45:20,084 --> 00:45:21,885
I go back to the place
I call the battlefield
808
00:45:21,985 --> 00:45:24,021
of my fight over my
bipolar disorder.
809
00:45:24,121 --> 00:45:26,290
I was a patient at the Centre
for Addiction and Mental
810
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:28,959
Health, CAMH for short.
811
00:45:29,059 --> 00:45:30,961
I wanted to be off my drugs.
812
00:45:31,061 --> 00:45:32,663
My psychiatrist
wanted me on them.
813
00:45:32,763 --> 00:45:34,865
It was a struggle that ended
when my doctor delivered
814
00:45:34,965 --> 00:45:39,737
the final blow, accept the
treatment or leave his office.
815
00:45:39,837 --> 00:45:42,239
I've gone through a lot
of changes since them,
816
00:45:42,339 --> 00:45:43,307
but what about the system?
817
00:45:46,043 --> 00:45:48,112
I reach out to Dr.
David Goldbloom,
818
00:45:48,212 --> 00:45:49,680
the senior medical
advisor for CAMH
819
00:45:49,780 --> 00:45:53,350
and the chair of the Mental
Health Commission of Canada.
820
00:45:53,450 --> 00:45:55,452
Now, along my journey,
I've met people
821
00:45:55,552 --> 00:45:57,588
who have been
prescribed medications.
822
00:45:57,688 --> 00:45:58,689
Right.
823
00:45:58,789 --> 00:46:00,023
And then with that,
then they're prescribed
824
00:46:00,124 --> 00:46:02,226
more medications to kind
of deal with the side
825
00:46:02,326 --> 00:46:04,962
effects of those medications,
getting into like a cocktail.
826
00:46:05,062 --> 00:46:06,697
I don't think we
are over medicating
827
00:46:06,797 --> 00:46:08,065
with psychotropic medications.
828
00:46:08,165 --> 00:46:10,768
If you look in
community surveys,
829
00:46:10,868 --> 00:46:14,404
most cases of depression are
still missed in the community.
830
00:46:14,505 --> 00:46:17,207
So if you've got
depression in Canada,
831
00:46:17,307 --> 00:46:20,410
the greatest likelihood is
you're not going to be treated.
832
00:46:20,511 --> 00:46:23,113
Does that mean that the
right people are always
833
00:46:23,213 --> 00:46:25,582
getting the right medication?
834
00:46:25,682 --> 00:46:27,384
No it doesn't.
835
00:46:27,484 --> 00:46:32,723
Inevitably, some people
have been misdiagnosed.
836
00:46:32,823 --> 00:46:36,293
That's abundant throughout
all of medicine, right?
837
00:46:36,393 --> 00:46:39,096
When I make a
diagnosis, I'm often
838
00:46:39,196 --> 00:46:44,735
doing so at a 90 degree
angle to the trajectory
839
00:46:44,835 --> 00:46:46,236
of somebody's life.
840
00:46:46,336 --> 00:46:48,672
You're not with them
before they got ill.
841
00:46:48,772 --> 00:46:52,209
You're not with them
necessarily a year or two later.
842
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:54,411
You're coming in at
a 90 degree angle.
843
00:46:54,511 --> 00:46:57,781
I guess at this point, I wanted
to talk about the mental labels
844
00:46:57,881 --> 00:47:00,284
and the manual
responsible for them.
845
00:47:00,384 --> 00:47:04,054
You know, the DSM is now
going into its fifth edition.
846
00:47:04,154 --> 00:47:07,357
And it started out to
be a shared language
847
00:47:07,457 --> 00:47:12,095
of communication so that health
professional A could talk
848
00:47:12,196 --> 00:47:15,766
to health professional
B about a patient
849
00:47:15,866 --> 00:47:18,435
and know that they were talking
about the same phenomenon--
850
00:47:18,535 --> 00:47:19,503
Right, speaking
the same language.
851
00:47:19,603 --> 00:47:20,904
--that they were seeing,
a shared language.
852
00:47:21,004 --> 00:47:23,507
So I wonder if you could walk
me through the process of how
853
00:47:23,607 --> 00:47:26,610
a new disorder is actually
entered into the manual.
854
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:29,012
Firstly, they have a
kind of open process
855
00:47:29,112 --> 00:47:33,083
where people can
lobby, if you will,
856
00:47:33,183 --> 00:47:36,420
for clinical concerns
that they have
857
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,555
that they think
should be considered
858
00:47:38,655 --> 00:47:41,959
as a possible diagnosis.
859
00:47:42,059 --> 00:47:45,262
For every one of the groups
of psychiatric disorders,
860
00:47:45,362 --> 00:47:49,766
they have an expert panel,
psychiatrists, psychologists,
861
00:47:49,867 --> 00:47:52,202
social workers,
people with expertise
862
00:47:52,302 --> 00:47:54,171
in that particular area.
863
00:47:54,271 --> 00:47:56,840
And some diagnoses
will make the cut,
864
00:47:56,940 --> 00:47:58,842
and some will not make the cut.
865
00:47:58,942 --> 00:48:00,410
And I think that
they've been actually
866
00:48:00,510 --> 00:48:05,716
quite scrupulous in trying
to control and contain
867
00:48:05,816 --> 00:48:08,285
the influence of
pharmaceutical companies.
868
00:48:08,385 --> 00:48:10,520
The challenge is that
some of the people who
869
00:48:10,621 --> 00:48:15,859
sit on the DSM committees
have affiliations
870
00:48:15,959 --> 00:48:16,693
with drug companies.
871
00:48:25,936 --> 00:48:27,504
When he first was
admitted, I know
872
00:48:27,604 --> 00:48:29,873
that they misdiagnosed
him, and they
873
00:48:29,973 --> 00:48:31,508
thought he might
be schizophrenic.
874
00:48:31,608 --> 00:48:32,776
He did not want to be in there.
875
00:48:32,876 --> 00:48:34,711
He was pretty angry
with me too because I
876
00:48:34,811 --> 00:48:37,848
was the catalyst
in getting him in.
877
00:48:37,948 --> 00:48:40,217
And when he escaped,
that was the worst night.
878
00:48:55,132 --> 00:48:58,001
My boyfriend Luke is
picking me up tonight.
879
00:49:00,938 --> 00:49:02,706
Because really there's
nothing wrong with me.
880
00:49:06,009 --> 00:49:08,278
It's just I have
all these tears.
881
00:49:08,378 --> 00:49:10,948
They just keep
falling and torturing
882
00:49:11,048 --> 00:49:14,084
and falling and torturing.
883
00:49:14,184 --> 00:49:17,721
Do you know what it feels like?
884
00:49:17,821 --> 00:49:20,223
Mm-mm, no.
885
00:49:20,324 --> 00:49:22,693
It's hell.
886
00:49:22,793 --> 00:49:24,695
And no one is helping me.
887
00:49:28,298 --> 00:49:29,733
And there's different
kinds of tears.
888
00:49:29,833 --> 00:49:32,035
There's tears of sadness like
when something really bad
889
00:49:32,135 --> 00:49:35,305
happens to me like
my grandma died.
890
00:49:35,405 --> 00:49:39,176
And I was crying because I knew
I would never see her again.
891
00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:45,515
Then there's flower tears.
892
00:49:45,615 --> 00:49:49,619
And flower tears are
the shapes of petals.
893
00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:51,488
But it's the acid tears.
894
00:49:51,588 --> 00:49:53,323
Can you protect me
from the acid tears?
895
00:49:53,423 --> 00:49:55,258
They burn holes in my skin.
896
00:50:10,173 --> 00:50:10,574
Hello?
897
00:50:10,674 --> 00:50:11,141
Hi there.
898
00:50:11,241 --> 00:50:11,708
I just need--
899
00:50:11,808 --> 00:50:12,409
Can I help you?
900
00:50:12,509 --> 00:50:12,642
--need to use the phone.
901
00:50:22,285 --> 00:50:23,120
Oh, [inaudible].
902
00:50:23,220 --> 00:50:24,354
I just met this
woman that scared
903
00:50:24,454 --> 00:50:25,422
the living shit out of me.
904
00:50:25,522 --> 00:50:26,556
I don't know if she's
possessed or what,
905
00:50:26,656 --> 00:50:27,557
but I need to get to
the Toronto airport,
906
00:50:27,657 --> 00:50:28,658
and I need to get
to South America.
907
00:50:28,759 --> 00:50:29,726
So I need you to help me.
908
00:50:29,826 --> 00:50:30,927
Look, I will pay you back.
909
00:50:31,028 --> 00:50:32,963
I [inaudible].
910
00:50:33,063 --> 00:50:34,331
I need to leave tonight.
911
00:50:34,431 --> 00:50:36,400
Look, I'll be at the corner
of Young Street and Lake Shore
912
00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:37,467
Boulevard.
913
00:50:37,567 --> 00:50:39,202
Please, I just need
you to do this, OK?
914
00:50:39,302 --> 00:50:40,170
I'll see you there.
915
00:50:40,270 --> 00:50:40,804
OK, bye.
916
00:50:40,904 --> 00:50:41,371
Excuse me.
917
00:50:41,471 --> 00:50:42,039
Wait a second.
918
00:50:42,139 --> 00:50:44,775
Excuse me!
919
00:50:44,875 --> 00:50:48,812
Yes, a man just broke into my
house wearing hospital garb.
920
00:50:48,912 --> 00:50:49,713
Yeah, everyone's OK.
921
00:50:53,316 --> 00:50:55,385
Just that whole sense of
not having any control
922
00:50:55,485 --> 00:50:57,888
over anything, which I
guess none of us do anyways.
923
00:50:57,988 --> 00:50:59,423
But when you love
somebody so much
924
00:50:59,523 --> 00:51:01,725
and you know they're
in trouble and they're
925
00:51:01,825 --> 00:51:04,928
somewhere out in the streets,
and they won't let us anywhere
926
00:51:05,028 --> 00:51:06,396
near him, and they
had the police
927
00:51:06,496 --> 00:51:08,565
looking for him and
dogs looking for him,
928
00:51:08,665 --> 00:51:12,269
and then to later find
out they beat him up
929
00:51:12,369 --> 00:51:14,738
because he was resisting--
he was panicked.
930
00:51:14,838 --> 00:51:17,007
Somebody in the hospital was
saying they were the devil
931
00:51:17,107 --> 00:51:17,808
and they were going to kill him.
932
00:51:17,908 --> 00:51:18,809
I mean, he was panicked.
933
00:51:21,678 --> 00:51:22,612
Excuse me, sir.
934
00:51:22,712 --> 00:51:23,613
Can you give me a
lift to the airport?
935
00:51:23,713 --> 00:51:25,015
I just need to get
to the airport.
936
00:51:36,426 --> 00:51:38,628
So that's I guess when they
put him in the straitjacket
937
00:51:38,728 --> 00:51:41,531
in the white padded room,
wouldn't let us see him.
938
00:51:52,876 --> 00:51:54,478
I just can't imagine
what he went through
939
00:51:54,578 --> 00:51:56,947
or anybody goes through.
940
00:51:57,047 --> 00:52:02,486
What I know now if I'd
known then, it's horrifying.
941
00:52:11,895 --> 00:52:14,397
When I witnessed what
was happening for Ross,
942
00:52:14,498 --> 00:52:16,032
unfortunately I
looked at my parents,
943
00:52:16,133 --> 00:52:20,036
and I went, what the hell?
944
00:52:20,137 --> 00:52:21,171
And you're surprised?
945
00:52:30,914 --> 00:52:32,215
Just coming to Laguna Beach now.
946
00:52:32,315 --> 00:52:33,717
I'm going to see
my sister Laura who
947
00:52:33,817 --> 00:52:37,754
has been here for
more than 10 years.
948
00:52:37,854 --> 00:52:41,057
I have lot of memories here.
949
00:52:41,158 --> 00:52:42,526
My parents had to
get a place here.
950
00:52:42,626 --> 00:52:47,497
My dad came out on business and
fell in love with it so much.
951
00:52:47,597 --> 00:52:51,101
It was amazing to
spend my summers here.
952
00:52:51,201 --> 00:52:53,403
Yeah, and just a lot
of incredible memories.
953
00:52:53,503 --> 00:52:56,239
And this is a place
that-- where I,
954
00:52:56,339 --> 00:52:58,675
probably one of the places that
I feel my dad's spirit most
955
00:52:58,775 --> 00:52:59,409
strongly resides.
956
00:53:05,215 --> 00:53:07,384
Oh my god, you're here.
957
00:53:07,484 --> 00:53:08,451
Welcome.
958
00:53:08,552 --> 00:53:09,719
Now I'm getting a
chance for the weekend
959
00:53:09,819 --> 00:53:12,189
just to relax and
visit my sister, Laura.
960
00:53:12,289 --> 00:53:15,192
She's one of my best
buds, and kind of just
961
00:53:15,292 --> 00:53:17,627
be able to chill
out for the weekend.
962
00:53:17,727 --> 00:53:19,362
It's been a while since
I've done a class,
963
00:53:19,462 --> 00:53:22,399
but I did a yoga class.
964
00:53:22,499 --> 00:53:24,834
Yoga's a huge part
of what's really
965
00:53:24,935 --> 00:53:27,537
important to my own personal
practice and staying grounded
966
00:53:27,637 --> 00:53:30,907
and saying well and
staying balanced.
967
00:53:31,007 --> 00:53:33,210
And it's just something that's
so important to keep up.
968
00:53:33,310 --> 00:53:34,578
It's amazing.
969
00:53:34,678 --> 00:53:38,315
This is like a moving, sweating
meditation that is so good.
970
00:53:38,415 --> 00:53:40,483
And the benefits of just
staying consistent with it
971
00:53:40,584 --> 00:53:43,486
is huge of just staying
grounded and focused
972
00:53:43,587 --> 00:53:45,755
when, you know, the
world can just be nuts
973
00:53:45,855 --> 00:53:46,590
and swimming around.
974
00:53:49,859 --> 00:53:52,762
It is September 21,
2011, and I'm here
975
00:53:52,862 --> 00:53:54,631
getting my second
chelation treatment.
976
00:53:54,731 --> 00:53:58,501
It is my eighth
chelation session today.
977
00:53:58,602 --> 00:54:00,537
17th chelation
treatment right now.
978
00:54:00,637 --> 00:54:04,174
I have at this points done
20 chelation sessions.
979
00:54:04,274 --> 00:54:07,711
So it's January 10, 2012,
super freaking stressed today.
980
00:54:07,811 --> 00:54:09,279
It's actually a great
challenge for me
981
00:54:09,379 --> 00:54:11,114
because I have to constantly
get better and better.
982
00:54:11,214 --> 00:54:12,983
Things are heating
up, and this process
983
00:54:13,083 --> 00:54:14,050
is getting more stressful.
984
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:15,952
And stress is not a
good thing for me,
985
00:54:16,052 --> 00:54:17,320
and I start to feel unbalanced.
986
00:54:17,420 --> 00:54:18,755
And coming through
this whole ride
987
00:54:18,855 --> 00:54:20,490
and being able to
manage and stay balanced
988
00:54:20,590 --> 00:54:22,759
is probably my biggest
stress challenge to date
989
00:54:22,859 --> 00:54:24,928
as far as any kind of work
environment I've been in.
990
00:54:25,028 --> 00:54:26,529
And today I'm not
feeling as grounded,
991
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:27,764
and you can probably see that.
992
00:54:27,864 --> 00:54:28,598
We're bombarded.
993
00:54:28,698 --> 00:54:29,566
We're bombarded.
994
00:54:29,666 --> 00:54:31,268
I'm just feeling
really out of sorts.
995
00:54:31,368 --> 00:54:33,737
I just had a complete
explosion and blowout.
996
00:54:33,837 --> 00:54:34,571
Bombarded.
997
00:54:34,671 --> 00:54:35,939
This thing happened so quick.
998
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:38,341
Phone call, it was an email,
and I didn't do the reply all.
999
00:54:38,441 --> 00:54:40,143
And then frick, are we
at this place again?
1000
00:54:40,243 --> 00:54:41,278
Like it goes both ways.
1001
00:54:41,378 --> 00:54:42,579
I'm a fricking bonehead.
1002
00:54:42,679 --> 00:54:45,482
I think the tension in your
head, tension in your jaw,
1003
00:54:45,582 --> 00:54:46,483
really, really intense.
1004
00:54:46,583 --> 00:54:47,984
You start to feel unbalanced.
1005
00:54:48,084 --> 00:54:49,319
But you know what?
1006
00:54:49,419 --> 00:54:51,321
This is also being human.
1007
00:54:51,421 --> 00:54:52,522
I embrace that too.
1008
00:54:52,622 --> 00:54:55,558
And the last thing I want
to do is be numbing out
1009
00:54:55,659 --> 00:54:57,227
from the intensity
of what's going on,
1010
00:54:57,327 --> 00:55:02,098
because it's really important
to be on, right on it.
1011
00:55:02,198 --> 00:55:04,634
It is not an easy road.
1012
00:55:04,734 --> 00:55:08,071
And just because maybe some
side effects of medications
1013
00:55:08,171 --> 00:55:11,408
are released, you know, I still
find I'm managing, like again,
1014
00:55:11,508 --> 00:55:13,176
right now I'm
managing stress loads.
1015
00:55:17,047 --> 00:55:18,948
And it's something
that's really important
1016
00:55:19,049 --> 00:55:20,850
to know that you have
to have your tools.
1017
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:24,187
You have to have
your tools in place.
1018
00:55:24,287 --> 00:55:25,722
If you don't, jeez,
I mean, things
1019
00:55:25,822 --> 00:55:28,525
could just get--
things can go haywire.
1020
00:55:33,129 --> 00:55:35,565
As tension builds in the body,
it takes time to chip away
1021
00:55:35,665 --> 00:55:39,035
and release that tension again.
1022
00:55:39,135 --> 00:55:40,804
Why don't I show you
where we were before?
1023
00:55:40,904 --> 00:55:42,005
This will be the easiest way.
1024
00:55:42,105 --> 00:55:43,473
Yep.
1025
00:55:43,573 --> 00:55:45,975
So this is where we were when
we first did our test, right?
1026
00:55:46,076 --> 00:55:47,210
This is where our mercury was.
1027
00:55:47,310 --> 00:55:48,345
This is where our lead was.
1028
00:55:48,445 --> 00:55:49,713
Look at where we are now.
1029
00:55:49,813 --> 00:55:50,413
Wow.
1030
00:55:50,513 --> 00:55:51,147
You've done very well.
1031
00:55:51,247 --> 00:55:52,515
That's huge.
1032
00:55:52,615 --> 00:55:55,985
And we've gone from a level
of 17 in mercury down to 7.1.
1033
00:55:56,086 --> 00:55:56,886
That's huge.
1034
00:55:56,986 --> 00:55:57,520
Yeah.
1035
00:55:57,620 --> 00:55:58,655
So less than half.
1036
00:55:58,755 --> 00:56:00,557
And these, again, these
are powerful neurotoxins
1037
00:56:00,657 --> 00:56:01,558
that we want to get down.
1038
00:56:01,658 --> 00:56:02,659
Right.
1039
00:56:02,759 --> 00:56:03,893
And we want to get you
down into the green,
1040
00:56:03,993 --> 00:56:05,729
so we've got a little
bit more to go,
1041
00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:07,263
but you've done very well.
1042
00:56:07,364 --> 00:56:09,466
The lead generally takes
longer to get down,
1043
00:56:09,566 --> 00:56:11,101
but it's still coming
down very nicely,
1044
00:56:11,201 --> 00:56:13,803
and we've gone from
an 11 to a 4.6.
1045
00:56:13,903 --> 00:56:14,804
OK.
1046
00:56:14,904 --> 00:56:15,872
I'm impressed with this.
1047
00:56:15,972 --> 00:56:19,476
I'm happy with your
progress right now.
1048
00:56:19,576 --> 00:56:22,946
What I'm noticing now is
that I'm allowing myself just
1049
00:56:23,046 --> 00:56:26,015
to live life and experience
normal ups and downs.
1050
00:56:26,116 --> 00:56:28,218
And yeah, I get
stressed out sometimes,
1051
00:56:28,318 --> 00:56:29,586
and I deal with that.
1052
00:56:29,686 --> 00:56:32,155
But the difference now is that
a huge difference from what
1053
00:56:32,255 --> 00:56:33,523
it used to be
before is that when
1054
00:56:33,623 --> 00:56:36,259
I was diagnosed
bipolar and medicated,
1055
00:56:36,359 --> 00:56:39,996
I spent every second questioning
every mood, every thought.
1056
00:56:40,096 --> 00:56:42,365
And I was always in a
state of, am I too high?
1057
00:56:42,465 --> 00:56:43,266
Am I too low?
1058
00:56:43,366 --> 00:56:44,067
Am I too sad?
1059
00:56:44,167 --> 00:56:44,968
Am I too this?
1060
00:56:45,068 --> 00:56:45,802
Am I too that?
1061
00:56:45,902 --> 00:56:47,137
And I couldn't even live life.
1062
00:56:47,237 --> 00:56:49,739
To be in this place now is a
huge, huge different shift,
1063
00:56:49,839 --> 00:56:51,841
and I'm just going to just
ride with it because I'm
1064
00:56:51,941 --> 00:56:53,209
enjoying this new
state of being.
1065
00:57:01,918 --> 00:57:08,958
OK, thanks for the--
bah, excuse me.
1066
00:57:09,058 --> 00:57:10,794
Thanks for the pink flamingos.
1067
00:57:10,894 --> 00:57:12,695
They're great.
1068
00:57:12,796 --> 00:57:16,199
Between dad's bad mood, my
mom overflowing the Jacuzzi,
1069
00:57:16,299 --> 00:57:19,068
they're not bad, and I've
had a good life with them
1070
00:57:19,169 --> 00:57:23,173
And I'd like to thank
them much, and I
1071
00:57:23,273 --> 00:57:31,714
hope they bring me up
well, because [mumbling]
1072
00:57:31,815 --> 00:57:34,818
OK, I can't do it on my own.
1073
00:57:34,918 --> 00:57:37,720
Thanks very much, and I've got
to go because I'm very nervous.
1074
00:57:37,821 --> 00:57:39,189
OK, thanks, bye.
1075
00:57:44,661 --> 00:57:47,931
When Ross was really
young, I saw him
1076
00:57:48,031 --> 00:57:53,570
as this really
sensitive person who
1077
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:55,138
everything affected
him really deeply.
1078
00:58:00,210 --> 00:58:04,380
And he didn't really show
his emotions all that much.
1079
00:58:04,481 --> 00:58:07,250
I mean, he'd go and hide to
show-- to express his emotions.
1080
00:58:09,886 --> 00:58:12,222
So I always felt really
protective of him.
1081
00:58:12,322 --> 00:58:14,824
It's like I was always watching
and making sure he was OK.
1082
00:58:14,924 --> 00:58:17,827
And it wasn't easy
growing up in our family.
1083
00:58:20,563 --> 00:58:24,634
We talked about everything,
but how we felt about things
1084
00:58:24,734 --> 00:58:26,202
wasn't always OK.
1085
00:58:26,302 --> 00:58:28,137
So we kind of had to
keep that to ourselves
1086
00:58:28,238 --> 00:58:32,842
or be told that we were wrong
for feeling the way we felt.
1087
00:58:32,942 --> 00:58:34,511
Whatever move we
made, we were always
1088
00:58:34,611 --> 00:58:36,079
going to get in
trouble for something.
1089
00:58:43,319 --> 00:58:44,954
I feel like I'm making
up for some growth.
1090
00:58:47,624 --> 00:58:49,859
I realized I was asleep at
the wheel for a long time.
1091
00:58:57,267 --> 00:58:58,968
I spent so many
years on auto pilot.
1092
00:59:06,109 --> 00:59:08,378
I think there's times I denied
what I'm actually feeling.
1093
00:59:21,224 --> 00:59:26,095
I spent a lot of my life going
outside of myself for answers.
1094
00:59:26,195 --> 00:59:27,630
And I think what
I'd like to learn
1095
00:59:27,730 --> 00:59:29,065
is this concept of going within.
1096
00:59:33,603 --> 00:59:34,637
I have to fix myself.
1097
00:59:40,577 --> 00:59:43,980
I know someone who can help
me confront my feelings,
1098
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,283
feelings that I've
buried for so long.
1099
00:59:47,383 --> 00:59:49,485
Dr. Charles Whitfield
is a physician
1100
00:59:49,586 --> 00:59:51,955
based in Atlanta,
Georgia, and specializes
1101
00:59:52,055 --> 00:59:54,724
in psychological
trauma and recovery.
1102
00:59:54,824 --> 00:59:56,626
We met last year at a
mental health conference
1103
00:59:56,726 --> 00:59:59,262
and have been in touch since.
1104
00:59:59,362 --> 01:00:01,598
In his 30 years of
research, Whitfield
1105
01:00:01,698 --> 01:00:03,900
found that most of his
patients were misdiagnosed
1106
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,437
with some form of
mental illness.
1107
01:00:07,537 --> 01:00:09,806
So Dr. Whitfield, I'm
here today because I've
1108
01:00:09,906 --> 01:00:11,741
been reading some of
your books, and it's
1109
01:00:11,841 --> 01:00:14,210
been starting to get me
to ask a lot of questions
1110
01:00:14,310 --> 01:00:15,912
just about my own experience.
1111
01:00:16,012 --> 01:00:19,382
You talk a lot about post
traumatic stress and all that,
1112
01:00:19,482 --> 01:00:21,451
and I'm curious to
learn more about that.
1113
01:00:21,551 --> 01:00:25,588
Well, what I've noticed with
my countless number of patients
1114
01:00:25,688 --> 01:00:30,360
over the decades is that when
I take a careful history,
1115
01:00:30,460 --> 01:00:34,864
including a drug intake
and a trauma history,
1116
01:00:34,964 --> 01:00:39,902
probably more than half have
in fact PTSD-- Post Traumatic
1117
01:00:40,003 --> 01:00:41,237
Stress Disorder.
1118
01:00:41,337 --> 01:00:43,806
But when I hear the term post
traumatic stress disorder,
1119
01:00:43,906 --> 01:00:46,542
I'm think-- like immediately
my brain goes to, like, people
1120
01:00:46,643 --> 01:00:48,845
that have come back from the
war and veterans and things
1121
01:00:48,945 --> 01:00:49,779
like that.
1122
01:00:49,879 --> 01:00:53,783
So how does that
relate even to me?
1123
01:00:53,883 --> 01:00:55,585
Well, it sounds
like you certainly
1124
01:00:55,685 --> 01:00:59,822
had a series of acute
traumatic stress
1125
01:00:59,922 --> 01:01:02,925
experiences in your history
that you just told me.
1126
01:01:03,026 --> 01:01:06,162
But what about before that?
1127
01:01:06,262 --> 01:01:10,466
In your childhood growing up,
what was your family of origin
1128
01:01:10,566 --> 01:01:13,136
like, and how did your
parents and siblings
1129
01:01:13,236 --> 01:01:17,173
and other people
around you treat you?
1130
01:01:17,273 --> 01:01:26,315
[cheering]
1131
01:01:26,416 --> 01:01:30,219
My father wanted a son forever.
1132
01:01:30,319 --> 01:01:33,523
So we always called
Ross the golden child.
1133
01:01:33,623 --> 01:01:34,891
He always had this sensitivity.
1134
01:01:34,991 --> 01:01:37,260
I mean, we loved him from the
day he came into the world.
1135
01:01:40,363 --> 01:01:43,399
And he grew up in a pretty
overpowering family,
1136
01:01:43,499 --> 01:01:47,970
a very strong domineering father
who liked to take up space.
1137
01:01:48,071 --> 01:01:53,943
I've also been blessed with
three wonderful children.
1138
01:01:54,043 --> 01:01:55,778
I don't tell them
this enough, and I
1139
01:01:55,878 --> 01:01:58,514
want to tell it to them
in front of all of you.
1140
01:01:58,614 --> 01:02:02,719
I'm particularly
proud because not only
1141
01:02:02,819 --> 01:02:06,355
are they sensitive to
people-- all three of them--
1142
01:02:06,456 --> 01:02:08,324
but in their own way,
they're carving out
1143
01:02:08,424 --> 01:02:10,526
their own personalities.
1144
01:02:10,626 --> 01:02:13,296
And they believe in
what they believe.
1145
01:02:13,396 --> 01:02:16,532
And it isn't always what
Donna and I believe,
1146
01:02:16,632 --> 01:02:19,035
but they have the
strength and the courage
1147
01:02:19,135 --> 01:02:22,371
to go ahead and do it anyway.
1148
01:02:22,472 --> 01:02:27,877
He viewed us as a reflection
of him and an extension of him.
1149
01:02:27,977 --> 01:02:29,912
So when we didn't
measure up-- and he
1150
01:02:30,012 --> 01:02:32,115
was a very tough
man on himself--
1151
01:02:32,215 --> 01:02:39,288
if we didn't quite measure
up, then that scared him.
1152
01:02:39,388 --> 01:02:45,294
If Ross excelled, my dad
felt OK about himself.
1153
01:02:45,394 --> 01:02:47,663
There was a lack of a
separation of where my dad ended
1154
01:02:47,764 --> 01:02:50,700
and Ross began.
1155
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:52,769
You stupid fucking idiot.
1156
01:02:52,869 --> 01:02:54,470
What is your problem?
1157
01:02:54,570 --> 01:02:55,938
He could be verbally abusive.
1158
01:02:56,038 --> 01:02:57,607
He could be physically abusive.
1159
01:02:57,707 --> 01:02:59,575
He could be emotionally abusive.
1160
01:02:59,675 --> 01:03:00,843
He did that a lot with Ross.
1161
01:03:00,943 --> 01:03:05,581
He'd be running back and
forth across the ice screaming
1162
01:03:05,681 --> 01:03:08,651
and yelling every
time my brother even
1163
01:03:08,751 --> 01:03:11,888
let a shot get close.
1164
01:03:11,988 --> 01:03:14,457
I guess Ross just
really never spoke up.
1165
01:03:14,557 --> 01:03:16,225
I mean, he kind of
just squashed it in.
1166
01:03:21,297 --> 01:03:23,666
God dammit Ross, in the
first half on the breakaway,
1167
01:03:23,766 --> 01:03:25,368
I told you to shoot
left, and you shot it
1168
01:03:25,468 --> 01:03:26,936
straight at him,
completely open net.
1169
01:03:27,036 --> 01:03:29,539
You've practiced that a million
times, and you missed the net.
1170
01:03:29,639 --> 01:03:30,373
You're 10 feet away.
1171
01:03:30,473 --> 01:03:31,674
What is wrong with you?
1172
01:03:31,774 --> 01:03:33,009
I scored both goals.
1173
01:03:33,109 --> 01:03:34,644
But you didn't win.
1174
01:03:34,744 --> 01:03:36,379
Two off the post,
one off your head,
1175
01:03:36,479 --> 01:03:38,347
how many opportunities
are you going to miss?
1176
01:03:47,256 --> 01:03:51,427
Wanting to be everything that
you could be for yourself
1177
01:03:51,527 --> 01:03:54,397
and to make this
man proud of you
1178
01:03:54,497 --> 01:03:56,265
and always feeling
that you never
1179
01:03:56,365 --> 01:04:00,102
could achieve that is
like a no-win situation.
1180
01:04:05,975 --> 01:04:09,512
So he ragefully, verbally, and
psychologically, emotionally
1181
01:04:09,612 --> 01:04:12,481
abused you then, it sounds like.
1182
01:04:12,582 --> 01:04:14,584
Jeez, I think young Ross
has got one on there too.
1183
01:04:14,684 --> 01:04:17,320
He does.
1184
01:04:17,420 --> 01:04:17,887
Yeah.
1185
01:04:17,987 --> 01:04:18,721
I had-- yeah.
1186
01:04:18,821 --> 01:04:19,956
There was quite a bit of that.
1187
01:04:20,056 --> 01:04:23,226
And see, that's the most
common cause of child abuse,
1188
01:04:23,326 --> 01:04:26,796
except that it's more subtle,
and it's harder to remember
1189
01:04:26,896 --> 01:04:28,965
and it's harder to put
together and realize
1190
01:04:29,065 --> 01:04:33,302
that that was really abuse.
1191
01:04:33,402 --> 01:04:36,439
And what you likely experienced
was an age regression,
1192
01:04:36,539 --> 01:04:42,011
and that's when we suddenly
feel little, small, and totally
1193
01:04:42,111 --> 01:04:45,715
insignificant, and we
zone out completely.
1194
01:04:48,985 --> 01:04:53,956
That's two big bits of
trauma that you experienced,
1195
01:04:54,056 --> 01:04:56,292
it sounds like.
1196
01:04:56,392 --> 01:05:01,964
Father son traumatic
experience and abused
1197
01:05:02,064 --> 01:05:03,733
mentally, emotionally,
and physically
1198
01:05:03,833 --> 01:05:07,303
by the Canadian
mental health system,
1199
01:05:07,403 --> 01:05:14,810
it sounds to me like you
probably don't have bipolar.
1200
01:05:14,911 --> 01:05:17,146
So that I-- I
wasn't dealing with
1201
01:05:17,246 --> 01:05:18,781
and I wasn't bipolar at all.
1202
01:05:18,881 --> 01:05:21,550
I was actually dealing
with post-traumatic stress.
1203
01:05:21,651 --> 01:05:23,519
Correct.
1204
01:05:23,619 --> 01:05:26,489
Ah.
1205
01:05:26,589 --> 01:05:26,989
Hm.
1206
01:05:35,865 --> 01:05:36,432
They burn holes.
1207
01:05:36,532 --> 01:05:37,266
They burn holes.
1208
01:05:37,366 --> 01:05:37,934
They burn holes.
1209
01:05:45,408 --> 01:05:46,842
I just need you to do this, OK?
1210
01:06:03,592 --> 01:06:06,996
And my dad, I know he came from
a really dysfunctional family.
1211
01:06:10,766 --> 01:06:13,135
And he was just this really
sweet guy with this huge heart,
1212
01:06:13,235 --> 01:06:14,503
but he was troubled.
1213
01:06:18,341 --> 01:06:20,843
Looking back at the
relationship with my father,
1214
01:06:20,943 --> 01:06:22,345
it makes sense to
me that I may have
1215
01:06:22,445 --> 01:06:23,646
suffered post-traumatic stress.
1216
01:06:27,316 --> 01:06:29,685
And it's a condition I feel
I can work through naturally.
1217
01:06:42,064 --> 01:06:45,401
It is really a
special day today.
1218
01:06:45,501 --> 01:06:47,903
Today is the day we're
actually driving to San Diego
1219
01:06:48,004 --> 01:06:49,638
to see Peter Levine.
1220
01:06:49,739 --> 01:06:54,143
Peter Levine is a person who's
created somatic experiencing.
1221
01:06:56,879 --> 01:06:59,648
The core of this
work is about trauma
1222
01:06:59,749 --> 01:07:02,118
and it's about releasing trauma
from the body that actually
1223
01:07:02,218 --> 01:07:03,452
gets held and stuck in the body.
1224
01:07:03,552 --> 01:07:06,856
And there's a lot of anger
still sitting in the body.
1225
01:07:06,956 --> 01:07:09,859
And it makes sense
to me because what
1226
01:07:09,959 --> 01:07:12,995
I learned from a very young age,
it wasn't OK to express anger.
1227
01:07:13,095 --> 01:07:15,831
And so, you know, when I would
have situations like that,
1228
01:07:15,931 --> 01:07:18,667
I would just
constantly swallow it.
1229
01:07:18,768 --> 01:07:21,037
What I'm realizing now is
actually swallowing that energy
1230
01:07:21,137 --> 01:07:22,905
every time and that
energy sits in the body
1231
01:07:23,005 --> 01:07:25,541
and can cause issues.
1232
01:07:31,981 --> 01:07:35,584
Do you want to say a little
bit about your anger?
1233
01:07:35,684 --> 01:07:39,221
Growing up, it wasn't
OK to express it.
1234
01:07:39,321 --> 01:07:41,457
Yeah.
1235
01:07:41,557 --> 01:07:44,026
And how is it to be with it
now, with the aggression?
1236
01:07:46,796 --> 01:07:47,830
It's OK.
1237
01:07:47,930 --> 01:07:50,166
I still notice that it's
a scary place to go to.
1238
01:07:50,266 --> 01:07:50,666
Yeah.
1239
01:07:53,436 --> 01:07:57,940
So let's just go inside
for a little bit now,
1240
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:02,745
and just explore your
inner experience,
1241
01:08:02,845 --> 01:08:05,648
and just report what
you're noticing.
1242
01:08:15,624 --> 01:08:20,563
That I just-- I just
remember the terror.
1243
01:08:20,663 --> 01:08:23,766
Do you see yourself
with your father?
1244
01:08:23,866 --> 01:08:24,266
Yeah.
1245
01:08:31,173 --> 01:08:31,907
Pay attention, Ross!
1246
01:08:46,555 --> 01:08:50,759
I see a very large man
who was sitting in shame.
1247
01:08:56,732 --> 01:09:00,202
This is really
important that you're
1248
01:09:00,302 --> 01:09:07,076
able to see that, the shame
that's underneath this rage.
1249
01:09:13,516 --> 01:09:20,856
And now maybe see if you're
able to allow an image
1250
01:09:20,956 --> 01:09:28,430
to come up to see your father
around the age of seven,
1251
01:09:28,531 --> 01:09:31,767
to see him as a child
around that same age.
1252
01:09:39,508 --> 01:09:40,376
I see it.
1253
01:09:40,476 --> 01:09:41,644
You see it.
1254
01:09:41,744 --> 01:09:46,515
Can you also imagine
seeing you at that age
1255
01:09:46,615 --> 01:09:50,819
also together there with
your father at age seven?
1256
01:09:57,760 --> 01:09:58,794
Yeah, we look like twins.
1257
01:09:58,894 --> 01:09:59,762
We're both at that age.
1258
01:09:59,862 --> 01:10:01,463
You look like twins.
1259
01:10:01,564 --> 01:10:04,967
Yeah, we're actually enjoying
each other's company.
1260
01:10:08,003 --> 01:10:11,607
Yeah, really the enjoyment
just to be together.
1261
01:10:11,707 --> 01:10:12,107
Yeah.
1262
01:10:15,144 --> 01:10:16,412
And he's encouraging.
1263
01:10:16,512 --> 01:10:17,980
Encouraging, yeah.
1264
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:23,485
Yeah, he must've been really,
really proud, proud of you.
1265
01:10:23,586 --> 01:10:26,155
I also noticed too
just that exercise
1266
01:10:26,255 --> 01:10:29,024
of going back and having
my seven-year-old play
1267
01:10:29,124 --> 01:10:30,926
with my father's
seven-year-old was--
1268
01:10:31,026 --> 01:10:33,996
there was a real
shift in compassion.
1269
01:10:34,096 --> 01:10:35,564
Exactly.
1270
01:10:35,664 --> 01:10:37,066
Exactly.
1271
01:10:37,166 --> 01:10:39,368
It started to develop right
when you could see him
1272
01:10:39,468 --> 01:10:44,340
as struggling with
his own being shamed.
1273
01:10:44,440 --> 01:10:47,243
And you can certainly
easily imagine his father
1274
01:10:47,343 --> 01:10:49,311
doing similar things or worse.
1275
01:10:49,411 --> 01:10:50,946
And his mother always
told him how much
1276
01:10:51,046 --> 01:10:52,414
she hated him every day.
1277
01:10:52,514 --> 01:10:58,854
And his father was
alcoholic and very abusive.
1278
01:10:58,954 --> 01:11:02,758
It's actually quite remarkable
the man that he turned out--
1279
01:11:02,858 --> 01:11:05,694
with his flaws-- considering
what he went through.
1280
01:11:05,794 --> 01:11:09,632
Yes, right, and to know from
that place of compassion
1281
01:11:09,732 --> 01:11:11,333
that he did the
best that he could.
1282
01:11:11,433 --> 01:11:11,834
Yep.
1283
01:11:16,839 --> 01:11:18,440
Looks like you
have another tool.
1284
01:11:18,540 --> 01:11:18,941
Mm-hmm.
1285
01:11:22,211 --> 01:11:24,146
Just got to have my final
visit with Dr. Dempster
1286
01:11:24,246 --> 01:11:25,814
and get the results
from all the work
1287
01:11:25,914 --> 01:11:27,816
that I've really been
focused on doing with him.
1288
01:11:27,916 --> 01:11:32,054
And the results were just more
than I could have asked for.
1289
01:11:32,154 --> 01:11:33,589
I've been feeling
amazing, especially
1290
01:11:33,689 --> 01:11:34,990
these last few months.
1291
01:11:35,090 --> 01:11:37,726
More focus, more concentration,
the ability to get things done
1292
01:11:37,826 --> 01:11:40,429
and stay focused for long
periods of time, something
1293
01:11:40,529 --> 01:11:43,499
I never-- last year at
this time wasn't even
1294
01:11:43,599 --> 01:11:44,366
a possibility for me.
1295
01:11:48,304 --> 01:11:49,772
The most important
thing of all of it
1296
01:11:49,872 --> 01:11:53,242
has been about healing
the stuff with my dad
1297
01:11:53,342 --> 01:11:54,910
and I, this incredible,
incredible guy,
1298
01:11:55,010 --> 01:11:56,545
and we had our
stuff to work out.
1299
01:11:56,645 --> 01:11:58,380
And so as I come to the
end of this journey,
1300
01:11:58,480 --> 01:12:02,017
we're going to go back to where
my sisters and I delivered
1301
01:12:02,117 --> 01:12:05,854
my father's ashes and his
favorite fishing hole.
1302
01:12:05,954 --> 01:12:08,924
And so to get to go back
there and pay tribute
1303
01:12:09,024 --> 01:12:13,595
and to go out in the ocean and
have a moment is just-- gosh,
1304
01:12:13,696 --> 01:12:14,963
it's a dream come true.
1305
01:12:15,064 --> 01:12:17,166
I feel so blessed to be able
to finish things off this way.
1306
01:12:17,266 --> 01:12:18,967
So I'm getting ready to go.
1307
01:12:19,068 --> 01:12:19,535
So that's it.
1308
01:12:19,635 --> 01:12:20,035
Bye.
1309
01:12:27,242 --> 01:12:29,978
As I look at root causes
of what I went through,
1310
01:12:30,079 --> 01:12:33,148
what was causing symptoms,
I think a big part of it
1311
01:12:33,248 --> 01:12:34,983
was the relationship
with my father
1312
01:12:35,084 --> 01:12:37,853
and actually healing
with my father.
1313
01:12:37,953 --> 01:12:40,823
This was a place where we
spent a lot of time together.
1314
01:12:40,923 --> 01:12:43,726
It was kind of like a
ritual coming up here.
1315
01:12:43,826 --> 01:12:46,028
And because this is where
I feel him the strongest,
1316
01:12:46,128 --> 01:12:51,633
this would be a great
place to have closure
1317
01:12:51,734 --> 01:12:53,202
and to be able to
really move forward.
1318
01:12:55,971 --> 01:12:58,807
All the challenges, all the
stuff I was working through,
1319
01:12:58,907 --> 01:13:01,777
all the anger that I
had for so many years
1320
01:13:01,877 --> 01:13:03,612
doesn't feel like it's
a part of me anymore.
1321
01:13:07,449 --> 01:13:09,318
It's surreal being back here.
1322
01:13:09,418 --> 01:13:13,889
It's a real feeling of wow,
you know, we really did it.
1323
01:13:22,398 --> 01:13:25,234
My dad loved fishing, so
we would come out here,
1324
01:13:25,334 --> 01:13:27,669
and he'd be up at like 5:30 AM.
1325
01:13:27,770 --> 01:13:29,304
And I would have a
hard time waking up.
1326
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:33,842
For a lot of the years when
we were coming up here,
1327
01:13:33,942 --> 01:13:38,447
I was still on lithium in that
foggy, drug-induced state.
1328
01:13:43,585 --> 01:13:44,987
I think because he
loved it so much,
1329
01:13:45,087 --> 01:13:48,690
there's a part of me that just
really got into it as well.
1330
01:13:48,791 --> 01:13:50,659
In the beginning, I found
it really challenging
1331
01:13:50,759 --> 01:13:53,262
to be out there in
the cold for so long.
1332
01:13:53,362 --> 01:13:54,797
But as time went
on, I really started
1333
01:13:54,897 --> 01:13:56,064
to enjoy the ritual of it all.
1334
01:13:59,435 --> 01:14:01,670
Being out on the
water for 12 hours,
1335
01:14:01,770 --> 01:14:03,105
there would be
hours that would go
1336
01:14:03,205 --> 01:14:05,641
by where we wouldn't say a word.
1337
01:14:05,741 --> 01:14:07,176
It was almost meditative.
1338
01:14:10,979 --> 01:14:14,616
This is my favorite
picture of us.
1339
01:14:14,716 --> 01:14:16,618
We're both kind of
laughing and smiling,
1340
01:14:16,718 --> 01:14:20,589
and that's how I want to
remember the relationship.
1341
01:14:43,512 --> 01:14:45,280
I know he knows what
I'm doing right now.
1342
01:14:45,380 --> 01:14:53,956
And I know he-- he's
in-- he's in-- I
1343
01:14:54,056 --> 01:14:55,057
know he's in full support.
1344
01:14:58,026 --> 01:15:00,662
Everything's on the right
path, and it feels good,
1345
01:15:00,762 --> 01:15:03,732
and it's emotional.
1346
01:15:03,832 --> 01:15:04,233
Yeah.
1347
01:15:08,637 --> 01:15:10,005
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