All language subtitles for What.Lies.Upstream.2017.1080p.WEBRip.x264-[YTS.AM]

af Afrikaans
ak Akan
sq Albanian
am Amharic
ar Arabic Download
hy Armenian
az Azerbaijani
eu Basque
be Belarusian
bem Bemba
bn Bengali
bh Bihari
bs Bosnian
br Breton
bg Bulgarian
km Cambodian
ca Catalan
ceb Cebuano
chr Cherokee
ny Chichewa
zh-CN Chinese (Simplified)
zh-TW Chinese (Traditional)
co Corsican
hr Croatian Download
cs Czech
da Danish
nl Dutch
en English Download
eo Esperanto
et Estonian
ee Ewe
fo Faroese
tl Filipino
fi Finnish
fr French Download
fy Frisian
gaa Ga
gl Galician
ka Georgian
de German
el Greek
gn Guarani
gu Gujarati
ht Haitian Creole
ha Hausa
haw Hawaiian
iw Hebrew
hi Hindi
hmn Hmong
hu Hungarian
is Icelandic
ig Igbo
id Indonesian
ia Interlingua
ga Irish
it Italian
ja Japanese
jw Javanese
kn Kannada
kk Kazakh
rw Kinyarwanda
rn Kirundi
kg Kongo
ko Korean
kri Krio (Sierra Leone)
ku Kurdish
ckb Kurdish (Soranî)
ky Kyrgyz
lo Laothian
la Latin
lv Latvian
ln Lingala
lt Lithuanian
loz Lozi
lg Luganda
ach Luo
lb Luxembourgish
mk Macedonian
mg Malagasy
ms Malay
ml Malayalam
mt Maltese
mi Maori
mr Marathi
mfe Mauritian Creole
mo Moldavian
mn Mongolian
my Myanmar (Burmese)
sr-ME Montenegrin
ne Nepali
pcm Nigerian Pidgin
nso Northern Sotho
no Norwegian
nn Norwegian (Nynorsk)
oc Occitan
or Oriya
om Oromo
ps Pashto
fa Persian
pl Polish
pt-BR Portuguese (Brazil)
pt Portuguese (Portugal)
pa Punjabi
qu Quechua
ro Romanian
rm Romansh
nyn Runyakitara
ru Russian
sm Samoan
gd Scots Gaelic
sr Serbian
sh Serbo-Croatian
st Sesotho
tn Setswana
crs Seychellois Creole
sn Shona
sd Sindhi
si Sinhalese
sk Slovak
sl Slovenian
so Somali
es Spanish Download
es-419 Spanish (Latin American)
su Sundanese
sw Swahili
sv Swedish
tg Tajik
tt Tatar
te Telugu
th Thai
ti Tigrinya
to Tonga
lua Tshiluba
tum Tumbuka
tr Turkish
tk Turkmen
tw Twi
ug Uighur
uk Ukrainian
ur Urdu
uz Uzbek
vi Vietnamese
cy Welsh
wo Wolof
xh Xhosa
yi Yiddish
yo Yoruba
zu Zulu
Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:11,372 --> 00:01:12,673 Yes, sir. 2 00:01:12,706 --> 00:01:14,408 - Just pull down here. 3 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:28,322 West Virginia was in the midst 4 00:01:28,356 --> 00:01:32,526 of the largest drinking water crisis in recent US history. 5 00:01:33,927 --> 00:01:36,630 National news had been covering the chaos, 6 00:01:36,664 --> 00:01:39,667 but no one knew why this had happened. 7 00:01:39,700 --> 00:01:41,569 - President Obama approved a disaster declaration 8 00:01:41,602 --> 00:01:42,870 for West Virginia. 9 00:01:42,903 --> 00:01:45,839 Nine counties are dealing with a chemical spill 10 00:01:45,873 --> 00:01:47,875 that contaminated the water supply. 11 00:01:47,908 --> 00:01:50,478 - Roughly 300,000 people in West Virginia 12 00:01:50,511 --> 00:01:52,313 have been without tap water. 13 00:01:52,346 --> 00:01:53,314 The rush for water was immediate. 14 00:01:53,347 --> 00:01:56,350 After that sold out, so did juice, soft drinks, 15 00:01:56,384 --> 00:01:59,720 anything liquid, leaving customers scrambling for ice. 16 00:01:59,753 --> 00:02:00,621 What are you gonna do 17 00:02:00,654 --> 00:02:01,555 about showering or cleaning or bathing? 18 00:02:01,589 --> 00:02:04,225 - Well, honey, you gonna melt this down. 19 00:02:04,258 --> 00:02:05,326 That's what you gonna do. 20 00:02:05,359 --> 00:02:06,460 Like you did back in them old days. 21 00:02:06,494 --> 00:02:07,461 Put 'em in a little tub. 22 00:02:07,495 --> 00:02:09,530 Put 'em in there, and just take a, you know, 23 00:02:09,563 --> 00:02:10,531 like a birdbath. 24 00:02:10,564 --> 00:02:11,832 700 people in the Charleston area 25 00:02:11,865 --> 00:02:13,567 have called poison control centers. 26 00:02:13,601 --> 00:02:15,436 - The smell was so strong 27 00:02:15,469 --> 00:02:18,472 that we had to actually cover our faces up. 28 00:02:18,506 --> 00:02:20,341 - I think there should be a thorough investigation 29 00:02:20,374 --> 00:02:23,277 of what happened and why this incident happened 30 00:02:23,311 --> 00:02:25,145 at Freedom Industries. 31 00:02:41,829 --> 00:02:44,398 - I'd say if they knew more about the chemical itself, 32 00:02:44,432 --> 00:02:47,401 that's probably what's got so many people 33 00:02:47,435 --> 00:02:49,370 scared to death now. 34 00:02:49,403 --> 00:02:52,340 Nobody knows that much about it. 35 00:02:52,373 --> 00:02:54,708 The water company people, you'd think they coulda figured 36 00:02:54,742 --> 00:02:58,612 out what's safe, what's not safe, before they fired them 37 00:02:58,646 --> 00:03:00,714 intakes up and polluted every water line 38 00:03:00,748 --> 00:03:02,583 throughout the valley. 39 00:03:08,456 --> 00:03:11,225 Yeah, you're coming up on it. 40 00:03:11,259 --> 00:03:14,362 It's got a hole rusted through it. 41 00:03:14,395 --> 00:03:17,931 See, they've got all this containment boom in here. 42 00:03:17,965 --> 00:03:21,935 That's probably where it was breaking outta the wall. 43 00:03:21,969 --> 00:03:23,604 You'd think these people woulda cared more 44 00:03:23,637 --> 00:03:28,309 and do more visual inspections to prevent something 45 00:03:28,342 --> 00:03:29,977 like this from ever happening. 46 00:03:30,010 --> 00:03:33,281 They knew the water company was just down the road. 47 00:03:33,314 --> 00:03:35,783 It'll probably take 'em months, but they'll cut all them 48 00:03:35,816 --> 00:03:39,987 tanks up and haul it to scrap, make one big field out of it. 49 00:03:41,289 --> 00:03:42,556 As long as it's settin' there, 50 00:03:42,590 --> 00:03:44,525 the people is gonna remember it. 51 00:03:44,558 --> 00:03:45,526 And that's the main thing. 52 00:03:45,559 --> 00:03:47,895 They want it all to go away. 53 00:04:04,412 --> 00:04:06,914 - We've had the daughter to the hospital. 54 00:04:06,947 --> 00:04:10,017 She had a severe rash, and her neck started to swell, 55 00:04:10,050 --> 00:04:12,553 and it doubled in size. 56 00:04:12,586 --> 00:04:14,988 Is this your first trip to Charleston? 57 00:04:15,022 --> 00:04:16,590 - I haven't been to Charleston before, 58 00:04:16,624 --> 00:04:19,059 but I used to come to West Virginia when I was a kid. 59 00:04:19,092 --> 00:04:21,495 We had family here, my uncle. 60 00:04:23,096 --> 00:04:25,733 He passed away when I was 10. 61 00:04:25,766 --> 00:04:29,437 I haven't been back here since, but I remember loving it. 62 00:04:29,470 --> 00:04:32,039 He taught me how to shoot a bow and arrow, 63 00:04:32,072 --> 00:04:33,574 and played in streams. 64 00:04:33,607 --> 00:04:36,410 It was kind of a novelty, being from California. 65 00:04:36,444 --> 00:04:38,579 We don't get a lot of water. 66 00:04:40,013 --> 00:04:41,515 I still can't believe you guys lived so close 67 00:04:41,549 --> 00:04:42,983 to Freedom Industries. 68 00:04:43,016 --> 00:04:44,552 You mind if we go up there? 69 00:04:44,585 --> 00:04:46,954 - Sure, we can go, if you like. 70 00:04:50,023 --> 00:04:51,459 Oh, there you go, there's the smell. 71 00:04:51,492 --> 00:04:53,327 - Yeah, you smell that now, do ya? 72 00:04:53,361 --> 00:04:54,528 Whoa. 73 00:04:54,562 --> 00:04:56,864 - This is a detergent for coal. 74 00:04:56,897 --> 00:04:58,632 The chemical that leaked out. 75 00:04:58,666 --> 00:05:01,435 But you know, this is really just a drop in the bucket 76 00:05:01,469 --> 00:05:04,405 because we live in chemical valley. 77 00:05:06,374 --> 00:05:09,443 You know, have you heard that term yet? 78 00:05:22,456 --> 00:05:24,625 Oh shit, I totally forgot. 79 00:05:28,596 --> 00:05:30,564 It seemed that within the chemical valley, 80 00:05:30,598 --> 00:05:34,034 Freedom Industries was a relatively small company. 81 00:05:34,067 --> 00:05:35,569 Their primary business was buying, 82 00:05:35,603 --> 00:05:38,071 selling, and mixing chemicals. 83 00:05:38,105 --> 00:05:40,541 They hadn't talked to any reporters 84 00:05:40,574 --> 00:05:44,077 since their last press conference the 85 00:05:44,111 --> 00:05:46,647 - Our intent is to be totally-- 86 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:47,681 Stay in front of the microphone. 87 00:05:47,715 --> 00:05:48,982 - Oh, okay. - Look at us. 88 00:05:49,016 --> 00:05:49,950 - Okay. 89 00:05:49,983 --> 00:05:52,453 Are there no systems in place 90 00:05:52,486 --> 00:05:56,790 to alert you of a leak at your facility other than a smell? 91 00:05:56,824 --> 00:05:57,991 - At this moment in time, 92 00:05:58,025 --> 00:06:00,461 I think that's all we have time for, so thanks for coming. 93 00:06:00,494 --> 00:06:01,495 Thanks for your time. 94 00:06:01,529 --> 00:06:02,463 - Woah, woah, woah. - We have more questions. 95 00:06:02,496 --> 00:06:03,597 Hey, hey, hey. 96 00:06:03,631 --> 00:06:05,566 It was a PR disaster, and it had a pronounced 97 00:06:05,599 --> 00:06:08,436 effect on the people I spoke to in town. 98 00:06:08,469 --> 00:06:10,103 So, if this was a whodunit mystery-- 99 00:06:10,137 --> 00:06:11,539 - There's no whodunit. 100 00:06:11,572 --> 00:06:13,741 Freedom Industries did it. 101 00:06:14,908 --> 00:06:17,478 They are the sole culprit. 102 00:06:17,511 --> 00:06:19,447 So if this happens again in the future, 103 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,516 we would say that that other company was the sole culprit? 104 00:06:22,550 --> 00:06:23,651 - Most certainly. 105 00:06:23,684 --> 00:06:25,553 Who are you gonna blame? 106 00:06:25,586 --> 00:06:27,588 - It's just unconscionable that Freedom Industry could not 107 00:06:27,621 --> 00:06:30,524 have known about the leak, did not report the leak, 108 00:06:30,558 --> 00:06:32,793 and did not know how much the leak had happened. 109 00:06:32,826 --> 00:06:33,927 It's unconscionable to me. 110 00:06:33,961 --> 00:06:38,131 My outrage and everybody else's outrage should be that. 111 00:06:54,047 --> 00:06:55,649 The water company and state officials 112 00:06:55,683 --> 00:06:59,520 waited more than six hours before informing the public. 113 00:06:59,553 --> 00:07:02,923 But ultimately, they had little choice. 114 00:07:02,956 --> 00:07:05,959 The smell demanded an explanation. 115 00:07:05,993 --> 00:07:08,529 Regarding the Freedom Industry site, 116 00:07:08,562 --> 00:07:10,498 we will not be making any comments. 117 00:07:10,531 --> 00:07:14,067 Nor will it be permitting access to the site. 118 00:07:16,670 --> 00:07:18,672 It didn't require an engineer to see 119 00:07:18,706 --> 00:07:21,542 that the tanks and walls were falling apart. 120 00:07:21,575 --> 00:07:23,511 But why was an industrial facility 121 00:07:23,544 --> 00:07:25,746 even allowed to get this bad? 122 00:07:28,782 --> 00:07:32,953 Was the story of Freedom Industries just a distraction? 123 00:07:36,890 --> 00:07:39,126 - We have enough regulations on the books, 124 00:07:39,159 --> 00:07:41,061 and what the administration oughta be doing 125 00:07:41,094 --> 00:07:42,963 is actually doing their jobs. 126 00:07:42,996 --> 00:07:45,899 Why wasn't this plant inspected since 1991? 127 00:07:45,933 --> 00:07:49,637 I am entirely confident that there are ample regulations 128 00:07:49,670 --> 00:07:51,805 already on the books to protect the health 129 00:07:51,839 --> 00:07:54,141 and safety of the American people. 130 00:07:54,174 --> 00:07:57,578 Somebody ought to be held accountable here. 131 00:07:57,611 --> 00:08:00,614 - Well, a lot has been made over, 132 00:08:00,648 --> 00:08:03,050 well, DEP, you haven't been to the site since '92 133 00:08:03,083 --> 00:08:06,520 or maybe you've only been two times in the 2000s. 134 00:08:06,554 --> 00:08:11,224 And right, wrong, or indifferent, simply visiting 135 00:08:11,258 --> 00:08:14,962 those sites would not have prevented this problem. 136 00:08:14,995 --> 00:08:17,197 The DEP, or Department of Environmental 137 00:08:17,230 --> 00:08:20,901 Protection, regulates all of the industry in the state. 138 00:08:20,934 --> 00:08:23,637 They're essentially the environmental policemen. 139 00:08:23,671 --> 00:08:25,673 Randy Huffman, he's in charge of it, 140 00:08:25,706 --> 00:08:28,308 and he plays a major role in this story. 141 00:08:28,341 --> 00:08:30,578 Let's say, in the instance of Freedom, 142 00:08:30,611 --> 00:08:33,146 you had gone and inspected the tanks. 143 00:08:33,180 --> 00:08:34,281 What would that have revealed? 144 00:08:34,314 --> 00:08:37,818 - We would've probably walked the site, looked for the 145 00:08:37,851 --> 00:08:41,054 obvious, evidence of material leaking from the tanks, 146 00:08:41,088 --> 00:08:43,557 visible holes in the secondary containment. 147 00:08:43,591 --> 00:08:45,025 But there were visible holes. 148 00:08:45,058 --> 00:08:45,893 - I, I, I, 149 00:08:46,894 --> 00:08:49,863 it's unfortunate, you know, assigning, trying, 150 00:08:49,897 --> 00:08:52,165 the blame is on Freedom. 151 00:08:52,199 --> 00:08:56,336 The blame is on the company for having tanks 152 00:08:56,369 --> 00:08:59,039 that were not up to any kind of standard. 153 00:08:59,072 --> 00:09:01,675 I mean, I'm reluctant to say this on camera. 154 00:09:01,709 --> 00:09:03,611 I joked to somebody about this the other day. 155 00:09:03,644 --> 00:09:06,013 It takes cigarettes 30 or 40 years to kill ya. 156 00:09:06,046 --> 00:09:09,817 I can't imagine that, you know, a couple days of MCHM, 157 00:09:09,850 --> 00:09:11,819 well, but, that's not even, I just say that in jest 158 00:09:11,852 --> 00:09:13,286 because it's not fair for me to say. 159 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,023 I'm not a health professional. 160 00:09:20,694 --> 00:09:24,832 - Hey, this is Dr. Gupta from the Health Department. 161 00:09:24,865 --> 00:09:26,233 So, there is very limited information 162 00:09:26,266 --> 00:09:28,268 on this chemical to begin with. 163 00:09:28,301 --> 00:09:31,639 We're seeing people are suffering on the 164 00:09:31,672 --> 00:09:33,874 I don't have a lot to offer them right now. 165 00:09:33,907 --> 00:09:35,676 They have faith in me, and that's the reason 166 00:09:35,709 --> 00:09:37,611 they are calling me. 167 00:09:37,645 --> 00:09:39,847 You sent me an email about somebody calling 168 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,683 about their 97-year-old grandmother? 169 00:09:42,716 --> 00:09:44,618 Dr. Gupta runs the local health department. 170 00:09:44,652 --> 00:09:46,654 He also turns out to be the other 171 00:09:46,687 --> 00:09:49,657 major player in this story. 172 00:09:49,690 --> 00:09:51,391 For some reason, he was the only official 173 00:09:51,424 --> 00:09:53,894 who seemed concerned that this chemical 174 00:09:53,927 --> 00:09:56,664 might have negative health effects. 175 00:09:56,697 --> 00:09:58,699 - I'm not keeping any registry at this point, 176 00:09:58,732 --> 00:10:00,333 and the reason for that is that 177 00:10:00,367 --> 00:10:02,302 we're not getting a lot of support from a lot of people. 178 00:10:02,335 --> 00:10:03,704 Resistance from people who don't want 179 00:10:03,737 --> 00:10:05,639 to know what's going on. 180 00:10:05,673 --> 00:10:08,275 Obviously, the folks at state and federal level 181 00:10:08,308 --> 00:10:11,178 are so strongly convinced that there are going 182 00:10:11,211 --> 00:10:14,281 to be no long term impacts of this. 183 00:10:14,314 --> 00:10:15,548 I have not yet found the evidence 184 00:10:15,582 --> 00:10:20,220 on which they've based their, such strong convictions upon. 185 00:10:30,430 --> 00:10:32,332 Spell your name for me and your correct title. 186 00:10:32,365 --> 00:10:35,669 - Laura Jordan, L-A-U-R-A J-O-R-D-A-N. 187 00:10:35,703 --> 00:10:39,072 External Affairs Manager for West Virginia American Water. 188 00:10:39,106 --> 00:10:40,941 Is the water safe? 189 00:10:40,974 --> 00:10:41,942 - Yes. 190 00:10:41,975 --> 00:10:43,376 The water is safe to drink. 191 00:10:46,780 --> 00:10:48,415 - I want to issue a challenge to all the experts 192 00:10:48,448 --> 00:10:50,684 and officials that are testing our water 193 00:10:50,718 --> 00:10:51,685 and tellin' us it's safe. 194 00:10:51,719 --> 00:10:53,320 Whatever they're tellin' us to do with the water, 195 00:10:53,353 --> 00:10:55,823 you do it first, and I'll be happy to follow. 196 00:10:55,856 --> 00:10:56,957 - It still smells like licorice. 197 00:10:56,990 --> 00:10:58,792 I just poured this this morning straight from the tap. 198 00:10:58,826 --> 00:11:01,294 Even though the water still had an odor, 199 00:11:01,328 --> 00:11:04,431 officials were saying it was saying it was safe for use. 200 00:11:04,464 --> 00:11:07,735 - I want help for my daughter that's sick from this. 201 00:11:07,768 --> 00:11:09,002 This was thanks to a determination 202 00:11:09,036 --> 00:11:13,206 that had been made by the CDC or Centers for Disease Control 203 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,744 who said that one part of MCHM per one millions parts 204 00:11:16,777 --> 00:11:19,947 of water or one PPM was okay to drink. 205 00:11:21,048 --> 00:11:23,450 This is the equivalent of squeezing one drop of MCHM 206 00:11:23,483 --> 00:11:25,753 into a 10 gallon fish tank. 207 00:11:26,386 --> 00:11:28,088 But here's what's strange. 208 00:11:28,121 --> 00:11:30,190 Only a few days later, they issued a statement 209 00:11:30,223 --> 00:11:32,860 advising pregnant women to find an alternate 210 00:11:32,893 --> 00:11:37,064 drinking water source due to a limited availability of data. 211 00:11:39,532 --> 00:11:41,334 - I'm not saying the water's safe. 212 00:11:41,368 --> 00:11:43,203 They're saying the water's safe. 213 00:11:43,236 --> 00:11:46,373 The water company's saying the water is safe. 214 00:11:46,406 --> 00:11:48,441 The CDC is saying the water is safe. 215 00:11:48,475 --> 00:11:51,078 When people shower or use the water other ways, 216 00:11:51,111 --> 00:11:55,282 they're having self-reported associations with rashes, 217 00:11:56,183 --> 00:11:58,986 eye irritations, asthma attacks. 218 00:11:59,019 --> 00:12:02,289 We should be more forthright and say, 219 00:12:02,322 --> 00:12:06,526 we cannot tell you if this is not related to the chemical, 220 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,262 but we're sure gonna find out. 221 00:12:15,068 --> 00:12:16,770 With its 15 million customers, 222 00:12:16,804 --> 00:12:19,372 American Water is the biggest private water company 223 00:12:19,406 --> 00:12:21,541 in the United States. 224 00:12:21,574 --> 00:12:24,878 And their Charleston operation services the largest area 225 00:12:24,912 --> 00:12:28,916 on the East Coast, more than 2,500 square miles. 226 00:12:29,582 --> 00:12:33,253 And water here is some of the most expensive in the country. 227 00:12:33,286 --> 00:12:37,490 But looking around, neither of these facts made any sense 228 00:12:37,524 --> 00:12:39,927 because water was everywhere. 229 00:12:42,262 --> 00:12:44,932 Why were people paying so much money to pump 230 00:12:44,965 --> 00:12:49,136 water halfway across the state from a single source? 231 00:12:50,537 --> 00:12:51,504 Get out of that water. 232 00:12:51,538 --> 00:12:53,473 I ain't tellin' you no more. 233 00:12:53,506 --> 00:12:56,476 - I've been drinkin' it since they lifted the do not use, 234 00:12:56,509 --> 00:12:58,478 but nobody else in the household will. 235 00:12:58,511 --> 00:13:01,281 We're supposed to trust these people to provide us 236 00:13:01,314 --> 00:13:03,350 with clean, safe drinking water. 237 00:13:03,383 --> 00:13:05,252 Then we got a creek right here that just had 108 238 00:13:05,285 --> 00:13:07,520 gallons of slurry go down it. 239 00:13:07,554 --> 00:13:08,421 I'm all for coal. 240 00:13:08,455 --> 00:13:11,925 I'm 100% for coal, 100% against Obama. 241 00:13:11,959 --> 00:13:13,393 I guess in a lot of ways I'm just fed up with things 242 00:13:13,426 --> 00:13:16,396 happenin' around here, but I can't go nowhere 'cause I don't 243 00:13:16,429 --> 00:13:19,399 know how to do anything other than mine coal. 244 00:13:24,437 --> 00:13:26,106 - You used to never have a problem. 245 00:13:26,139 --> 00:13:29,376 Then they put mines up here, mines up here and stuff, 246 00:13:29,409 --> 00:13:31,378 and all that sludge and whatever they use. 247 00:13:31,411 --> 00:13:32,245 - Slurry. 248 00:13:32,279 --> 00:13:34,214 - Even into the aquifer it's dripping, 249 00:13:34,247 --> 00:13:38,518 and then for years they said, oh it smells funny. 250 00:13:38,551 --> 00:13:41,054 But it's okay to drink it. 251 00:13:41,088 --> 00:13:45,092 Half the people in this trailer park died from cancer. 252 00:13:45,125 --> 00:13:46,026 That's why they changed 253 00:13:46,059 --> 00:13:46,994 all these - And the well ain't no good. 254 00:13:47,027 --> 00:13:49,897 to city water. - To city water and the next 255 00:13:49,930 --> 00:13:51,431 thing you know, well, we're gettin' 256 00:13:51,464 --> 00:13:53,967 contaminated freakin' water. 257 00:14:09,917 --> 00:14:11,952 - Even your clothes will look like that. 258 00:14:15,688 --> 00:14:18,525 - This is what come out of the spigot. 259 00:14:28,601 --> 00:14:31,138 - I guess the water started back with the coal mines, 260 00:14:31,171 --> 00:14:33,373 which was about a mile down the road here, 261 00:14:33,406 --> 00:14:36,143 which my grandfather worked in. 262 00:14:36,176 --> 00:14:39,312 And my dad worked in it, and I worked in it. 263 00:14:39,346 --> 00:14:41,949 The mines has done good up until just recently. 264 00:14:41,982 --> 00:14:43,583 You start lookin' back at some of the things 265 00:14:43,616 --> 00:14:47,287 that's happenin' to you or to other people, 266 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:48,521 and the sickness that's goin' on. 267 00:14:48,555 --> 00:14:53,026 When I wake up in the morning, I think if I'm still living 268 00:14:54,161 --> 00:14:56,563 I think it's a great day. 269 00:15:09,309 --> 00:15:11,244 Besides coal, the other big industry here 270 00:15:11,278 --> 00:15:14,714 is chemical, and it was still unclear if the industry 271 00:15:14,747 --> 00:15:18,518 at large had played a role in this crisis. 272 00:15:24,157 --> 00:15:27,394 Chemical alley is about a 25 mile stretch of the 273 00:15:27,427 --> 00:15:29,529 Kanawha River that has tons of chemical 274 00:15:29,562 --> 00:15:31,498 manufacturing facilities on it. 275 00:15:31,531 --> 00:15:34,501 For your all's knowledge, people see cameras, and they think 276 00:15:34,534 --> 00:15:37,704 they kind of like, job security. 277 00:15:37,737 --> 00:15:40,107 So some people are friendly and welcoming of it, 278 00:15:40,140 --> 00:15:43,310 but a lot of people aren't because it gets bad publicity. 279 00:15:43,343 --> 00:15:45,345 The plant's gonna shut down, and they're not 280 00:15:45,378 --> 00:15:48,215 gonna be able to feed their kids. 281 00:15:48,248 --> 00:15:50,450 That's where the coal-fired power plant is 282 00:15:50,483 --> 00:15:52,552 that they have for that facility. 283 00:15:52,585 --> 00:15:55,555 This is where they dump all the toxic stuff, 284 00:15:55,588 --> 00:15:57,090 and actually for a long time they didn't know 285 00:15:57,124 --> 00:15:59,292 what Union Carbide dumped. 286 00:15:59,326 --> 00:16:02,462 And I know this because I worked there. 287 00:16:02,495 --> 00:16:06,466 When I was 16-years-old, there was an explosion 288 00:16:06,499 --> 00:16:10,303 at the Methomyl-Larvin unit in Institute. 289 00:16:10,337 --> 00:16:13,640 I tried to like tape up the windows and doors of my house 290 00:16:13,673 --> 00:16:16,509 like they told us to do in school, and by that time 291 00:16:16,543 --> 00:16:18,711 I was already exposed, so that incident 292 00:16:18,745 --> 00:16:21,348 kind of just changed my life. 293 00:16:24,284 --> 00:16:25,118 Okay. 294 00:16:28,321 --> 00:16:29,756 We are learning new information 295 00:16:29,789 --> 00:16:33,293 about the second substance found in the West Virginia 296 00:16:33,326 --> 00:16:36,096 chemical spill, the chemical PPH. 297 00:16:37,130 --> 00:16:39,599 - I know that many of you here would like an update 298 00:16:39,632 --> 00:16:43,303 on the new material that was found yesterday. 299 00:16:43,336 --> 00:16:44,671 Part of my team here from DEP. 300 00:16:44,704 --> 00:16:47,174 - Governor, thank you for-- 301 00:16:50,577 --> 00:16:52,812 - On the day of the spill, when we asked the question, 302 00:16:52,845 --> 00:16:55,482 what's in the tank, the question that we asked 303 00:16:55,515 --> 00:16:58,185 should have revealed this as well. 304 00:16:58,218 --> 00:17:01,154 By this, Randy means that what actually spilled 305 00:17:01,188 --> 00:17:04,724 was a mixture of chemicals, and 5.6% of it 306 00:17:04,757 --> 00:17:08,361 was this other chemical called PPH. 307 00:17:08,395 --> 00:17:10,630 Imagine that this beverage is what spilled, 308 00:17:10,663 --> 00:17:13,666 and they didn't find the lemon juice. 309 00:17:13,700 --> 00:17:18,105 Both state and federal regulators were doing testing. 310 00:17:18,138 --> 00:17:20,340 How had this gone undetected? 311 00:17:24,411 --> 00:17:28,281 - Mike might be able to answer the test results. 312 00:17:28,315 --> 00:17:30,617 - I just haven't seen the most recent test results. 313 00:17:30,650 --> 00:17:31,551 So did Freedom Industries 314 00:17:31,584 --> 00:17:34,287 have any records about PPH? 315 00:17:34,321 --> 00:17:36,223 - Well, they had their in document that what they were 316 00:17:36,256 --> 00:17:38,191 shipping in and shipping out, but it was pretty rough. 317 00:17:38,225 --> 00:17:39,759 They also had three tanks of this material, 318 00:17:39,792 --> 00:17:42,162 and they were shipping in between tanks. 319 00:17:42,195 --> 00:17:46,366 Why did the DEP allow them to operate like this? 320 00:17:56,676 --> 00:17:59,312 So is your background in environmental science 321 00:17:59,346 --> 00:18:00,513 or anything like that? 322 00:18:00,547 --> 00:18:04,617 - I came out of college with a mining engineering degree. 323 00:18:04,651 --> 00:18:07,487 There were no jobs in the mining industry at the time. 324 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:08,588 This was the mid '80s. 325 00:18:08,621 --> 00:18:12,459 I came to work for what was the Department of Energy 326 00:18:12,492 --> 00:18:15,762 at the time in state government as a last resort. 327 00:18:15,795 --> 00:18:20,367 We could regulate CO2 out of existence in this country, 328 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:24,571 and it's not going to have any measurable impact globally. 329 00:18:33,546 --> 00:18:35,582 Looking through the archives, Randy Huffman, 330 00:18:35,615 --> 00:18:37,550 he had the kind of report card 331 00:18:37,584 --> 00:18:39,786 that you hide from your parents. 332 00:18:39,819 --> 00:18:43,156 Loosening regulations, turning a blind eye to thousands 333 00:18:43,190 --> 00:18:46,593 of miles of dirty streams, granting pollution waivers. 334 00:18:46,626 --> 00:18:50,863 The DEP had even gone so far as to sue their federal 335 00:18:50,897 --> 00:18:53,833 counterpart, the Environmental Protection Agency when the 336 00:18:53,866 --> 00:18:56,803 federal agency tried to enforce the clean water act. 337 00:18:56,836 --> 00:18:58,738 "This is 100% victory. 338 00:18:58,771 --> 00:19:00,473 "We won," said Randy Huffman. 339 00:19:00,507 --> 00:19:03,210 For a while, it was reported that the DEP simply 340 00:19:03,243 --> 00:19:05,545 didn't review the waster water pollution reports 341 00:19:05,578 --> 00:19:07,547 of companies around the state. 342 00:19:07,580 --> 00:19:10,550 These added up to over 25,000 violations 343 00:19:10,583 --> 00:19:12,919 of the Clean Water Act. 344 00:19:12,952 --> 00:19:14,821 "For whatever reason, we weren't getting it done," 345 00:19:14,854 --> 00:19:16,789 Huffman said, "It was a glitch, and they got 346 00:19:16,823 --> 00:19:18,958 "off track with it." 347 00:19:18,991 --> 00:19:19,826 25,000. 348 00:19:24,231 --> 00:19:25,532 - I believe in the production of coal, 349 00:19:25,565 --> 00:19:29,402 it's value to our country, and I will continue 350 00:19:29,436 --> 00:19:32,639 to do everything that I can to fight the EPA 351 00:19:32,672 --> 00:19:35,308 and its misguided attempts to cripple this industry. 352 00:19:37,277 --> 00:19:38,345 After reviewing some of the past 353 00:19:38,378 --> 00:19:40,613 State of the State addresses given by the governor, 354 00:19:40,647 --> 00:19:43,616 it seems that fighting environmental regulation, 355 00:19:43,650 --> 00:19:46,519 well, that was something that brought Democrats 356 00:19:46,553 --> 00:19:48,655 and Republicans together. 357 00:19:49,722 --> 00:19:51,591 And this is how the states Democratic 358 00:19:51,624 --> 00:19:53,626 US Senator won his seat. 359 00:19:55,728 --> 00:19:56,963 - I'm Joe Manchin. 360 00:19:56,996 --> 00:20:01,301 I sued EPA, and I'll take dead aim at the Cap and Trade Bill 361 00:20:01,334 --> 00:20:03,836 because it's bad for West Virginia. 362 00:20:03,870 --> 00:20:05,872 It seemed that the EPA's proposed emissions 363 00:20:05,905 --> 00:20:08,641 program was also bad for his coal business, 364 00:20:08,675 --> 00:20:11,611 a business that had earned him millions. 365 00:20:11,644 --> 00:20:14,481 Now, at that time, he was the state's governor, 366 00:20:14,514 --> 00:20:17,417 and here's what Joe Manchin did right 367 00:20:17,450 --> 00:20:19,486 at the beginning of his term. 368 00:20:19,519 --> 00:20:23,323 - The first official new sign of West Virginia's progress 369 00:20:23,356 --> 00:20:25,792 started going up today, which shows 370 00:20:25,825 --> 00:20:28,528 the true beauty of West Virginia. 371 00:20:29,696 --> 00:20:31,498 It's a little hard to read, but he actually 372 00:20:31,531 --> 00:20:36,369 changed the slogan of the state to Open for Business. 373 00:20:36,403 --> 00:20:38,538 So I asked a retired employee from the DEP 374 00:20:38,571 --> 00:20:41,974 if this translated into weaker enforcement. 375 00:20:42,008 --> 00:20:45,512 - Yes, Joe Manchin, in my opinion, did initiate 376 00:20:45,545 --> 00:20:49,449 a more lax environmental enforcement atmosphere 377 00:20:51,584 --> 00:20:55,988 while he was in office and even it seems even until today. 378 00:20:56,022 --> 00:20:59,659 Joe Manchin had appointed Randy Huffman 379 00:20:59,692 --> 00:21:02,762 nearly 10 years ago, and it seemed he was still doing 380 00:21:02,795 --> 00:21:06,433 the exact job that he'd been hired to do. 381 00:21:07,834 --> 00:21:10,002 - They tell us all it's the flu. 382 00:21:10,036 --> 00:21:11,103 It's not the water at all. 383 00:21:11,137 --> 00:21:13,873 It's somethin' else, and they send us home like this. 384 00:21:13,906 --> 00:21:16,343 And then you know, we go home and sit there and cry. 385 00:21:16,376 --> 00:21:18,645 And it's wrong how they're doin' us. 386 00:21:18,678 --> 00:21:20,980 - It's not the hospital's job to make sure they ask 387 00:21:21,013 --> 00:21:23,383 questions every time somebody comes with a rash. 388 00:21:23,416 --> 00:21:24,384 They're too busy for that. 389 00:21:24,417 --> 00:21:25,552 Their job's not surveillance. 390 00:21:25,585 --> 00:21:29,822 We need a program that will actually encourage people 391 00:21:29,856 --> 00:21:32,325 to come in, describe their symptoms. 392 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,628 That needs to be followed over several years. 393 00:21:35,662 --> 00:21:38,665 That's the way you prove connections, 394 00:21:38,698 --> 00:21:41,000 the chemical and other things. 395 00:21:43,636 --> 00:21:44,871 Two weeks ago. 396 00:21:44,904 --> 00:21:46,973 It should have been done. 397 00:21:48,708 --> 00:21:50,410 - You know, I'm not interested in writing tickets 398 00:21:50,443 --> 00:21:51,611 or assessing fines. 399 00:21:51,644 --> 00:21:53,680 I don't need to collect money from people just because. 400 00:21:53,713 --> 00:21:57,049 Give the benefit of the doubt to organizations, 401 00:21:57,083 --> 00:21:59,652 and assume people aren't out there trying to break 402 00:21:59,686 --> 00:22:02,455 the law, but they would like to comply. 403 00:22:02,489 --> 00:22:04,757 And give 'em a shot at it. 404 00:22:04,791 --> 00:22:07,627 - Do you though, that like that ideology lets 405 00:22:07,660 --> 00:22:11,598 companies like Freedom through the cracks? 406 00:22:11,631 --> 00:22:12,765 - No, I don't. 407 00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:13,866 - Maybe you can correct this. 408 00:22:13,900 --> 00:22:17,704 In the five years before 2008, something like 25,000 409 00:22:17,737 --> 00:22:19,872 violations of the Clean Water Act occurred, 410 00:22:19,906 --> 00:22:22,141 but you know, fines were never issued. 411 00:22:22,174 --> 00:22:25,378 - Ah, yeah, 35,000 is not that many. 412 00:22:27,514 --> 00:22:28,948 So I'll say that. 413 00:22:28,981 --> 00:22:32,619 This is a whole lot more complicated than something 414 00:22:32,652 --> 00:22:35,922 that you can just put in a sound bite and say, here's 35,000 415 00:22:35,955 --> 00:22:39,859 violations for which there never was a penalty. 416 00:22:50,069 --> 00:22:52,171 Nearly three weeks had gone by, 417 00:22:52,204 --> 00:22:56,809 and yet for some reason, the water still had a smell. 418 00:22:56,843 --> 00:22:58,745 So people didn't trust it. 419 00:22:58,778 --> 00:23:01,514 And they also didn't trust the state or federal officials 420 00:23:01,548 --> 00:23:04,884 who were saying that the water was safe to drink. 421 00:23:04,917 --> 00:23:05,885 - It's three weeks. 422 00:23:05,918 --> 00:23:07,019 We haven't been told anything. 423 00:23:07,053 --> 00:23:09,422 - You're trying to force feed us underneath the table. 424 00:23:10,857 --> 00:23:13,560 - Purging is not working. 425 00:23:13,593 --> 00:23:16,429 American Water didn't even bother to show up. 426 00:23:16,463 --> 00:23:20,099 There was only one official there to take all of the heat. 427 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,703 How often do you do it? 428 00:23:23,736 --> 00:23:27,139 Do you do it every month, every year, once a week. 429 00:23:27,173 --> 00:23:28,240 It was hard to tell if Randy Huffman 430 00:23:28,274 --> 00:23:31,578 was playing dumb or he really didn't know anything. 431 00:23:31,611 --> 00:23:33,480 - I'm not aware of any full spectrum testing 432 00:23:33,513 --> 00:23:34,947 that's been done. 433 00:23:34,981 --> 00:23:36,616 I wouldn't make any judgments on that at all. 434 00:23:36,649 --> 00:23:37,850 No evidence that we've seen. 435 00:23:37,884 --> 00:23:38,918 I'm just not aware of 'em. 436 00:23:38,951 --> 00:23:41,621 I'm sure it'll reveal something we didn't know. 437 00:23:41,654 --> 00:23:43,790 I apologize, but I'm not familiar with the protocols 438 00:23:43,823 --> 00:23:48,160 at all that the water company used to do their sampling. 439 00:23:48,194 --> 00:23:49,629 I have a question. 440 00:23:49,662 --> 00:23:51,197 - Freedom's been ordered to remove the tanks. 441 00:23:51,230 --> 00:23:54,200 No, there will not be another tank farm on that site. 442 00:23:54,233 --> 00:23:57,737 Nobody else is gonna be there. 443 00:23:57,770 --> 00:23:59,672 - We need to understand the basics of this. 444 00:23:59,706 --> 00:24:01,841 We are the first human beings this chemical 445 00:24:01,874 --> 00:24:03,910 has ever been experimented on. 446 00:24:03,943 --> 00:24:06,713 It's tested on rats and some of the other lab animals. 447 00:24:06,746 --> 00:24:09,882 I vehemently disagree with any official anywhere 448 00:24:09,916 --> 00:24:12,652 who's saying well, this is flu, or this is something else 449 00:24:12,685 --> 00:24:16,523 'cause it's not. 450 00:24:16,556 --> 00:24:17,890 - Don't let anyone around you convince you 451 00:24:17,924 --> 00:24:20,192 that you don't see and you aren't experiencing 452 00:24:20,226 --> 00:24:22,261 what you're experiencing. 453 00:24:22,294 --> 00:24:26,633 Dr. Gupta has really stepped up, and I have yet in 22 years 454 00:24:26,666 --> 00:24:30,837 of work seen a health official do that, so thank you. 455 00:24:32,171 --> 00:24:33,706 - We're working closely with the legislature 456 00:24:33,740 --> 00:24:35,675 on some specific rules. 457 00:24:36,909 --> 00:24:38,144 - Here's the thing. 458 00:24:38,177 --> 00:24:41,881 Regulation without enforcement is pointless. 459 00:24:45,852 --> 00:24:46,719 - It was brutal. 460 00:24:46,753 --> 00:24:49,989 It might have been the worst experience 461 00:24:51,691 --> 00:24:53,593 that I've had in this job. 462 00:24:53,626 --> 00:24:55,662 The police escorted me to my truck 'cause they were 463 00:24:55,695 --> 00:24:58,631 concerned for my safety. 464 00:24:58,665 --> 00:25:00,132 I wasn't, but they were. 465 00:25:00,166 --> 00:25:02,068 I think they just wanted somethin' to do. 466 00:25:02,101 --> 00:25:04,704 While Randy and his agency may be responsible 467 00:25:04,737 --> 00:25:07,006 for a lot of problems in the state, 468 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:09,909 as it turns out, the inspection of above ground 469 00:25:09,942 --> 00:25:12,712 storage tanks wasn't one of them. 470 00:25:12,745 --> 00:25:15,314 - I could send inspectors to that site every day. 471 00:25:15,347 --> 00:25:17,283 I'm not gonna know that that hole is gettin' ready 472 00:25:17,316 --> 00:25:20,720 to rust the rest of the way through and leak the material. 473 00:25:20,753 --> 00:25:22,822 What we need to prevent this problem 474 00:25:22,855 --> 00:25:24,791 is something that we don't have. 475 00:25:24,824 --> 00:25:27,960 Some kind of policy decision by Congress 476 00:25:27,994 --> 00:25:31,631 or by our state legislatures at some point was made. 477 00:25:31,664 --> 00:25:32,632 One thing was for sure. 478 00:25:32,665 --> 00:25:35,034 The politicians didn't want any of this blame 479 00:25:35,067 --> 00:25:36,803 coming back to them. 480 00:25:36,836 --> 00:25:39,171 I've heard there's a lot of political corruption 481 00:25:39,205 --> 00:25:41,741 and that lobbyists wield a lot of influence here. 482 00:25:41,774 --> 00:25:44,110 - That would be more so in Washington than here. 483 00:25:44,143 --> 00:25:46,779 The idea of regulation as in ensuring the safety 484 00:25:46,813 --> 00:25:50,883 of storage tanks, we always assumed that that was in place. 485 00:25:50,917 --> 00:25:53,052 That's the type of regulation everyone wants. 486 00:25:53,085 --> 00:25:55,254 But when it came to making this law, 487 00:25:55,287 --> 00:25:58,658 Chris also had a little extra motivation. 488 00:25:58,691 --> 00:26:00,727 - I mean, I've been drinking all day. 489 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,862 I had just gotten out of the shower right before our date. 490 00:26:02,895 --> 00:26:05,732 I thought about the baby and what was gonna happen. 491 00:26:05,765 --> 00:26:09,769 He used to take 45 minute showers. 492 00:26:09,802 --> 00:26:11,303 I used to get clean. 493 00:26:11,337 --> 00:26:13,940 - I don't feel comfortable with my biggest organ 494 00:26:13,973 --> 00:26:17,143 being exposed to somethin' that they know nothing about. 495 00:26:17,176 --> 00:26:21,347 I don't feel comfortable with my daughter's or my husband's. 496 00:26:23,415 --> 00:26:25,618 Across the state, there was a contest 497 00:26:25,652 --> 00:26:28,254 to determine the best drinking water in the world. 498 00:26:28,287 --> 00:26:31,190 I wanted to see how this water that had been declared 499 00:26:31,223 --> 00:26:35,261 safe for use stacked up against the competition. 500 00:26:37,730 --> 00:26:38,698 - You tell me. 501 00:26:38,731 --> 00:26:40,867 - It's really incredible. 502 00:26:40,900 --> 00:26:44,136 I mean, it's like a big bottle of licorice. 503 00:26:44,170 --> 00:26:46,973 On odor I would score it as low as I could. 504 00:26:47,006 --> 00:26:51,177 The people who test this say it's acceptable to drink? 505 00:26:51,210 --> 00:26:52,912 Is that right? - That's what they say. 506 00:26:52,945 --> 00:26:57,116 - Let me smell it again because that's atrocious. 507 00:26:57,149 --> 00:26:57,984 Oh. 508 00:26:59,185 --> 00:27:01,854 - I would love to give you our Beverly Hills 90H20 water, 509 00:27:01,888 --> 00:27:04,390 the first sommelier crafted water in the world. 510 00:27:05,758 --> 00:27:06,726 - Yes. 511 00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:07,927 - I tried to get it entered here, 512 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,195 but they wouldn't accept it. 513 00:27:09,228 --> 00:27:10,763 - Too bad. 514 00:27:10,797 --> 00:27:12,965 The first, oh, my grandmother always said, 515 00:27:12,999 --> 00:27:16,903 and she survived two world wars, when water has an odor, 516 00:27:16,936 --> 00:27:18,838 don't drink it. 517 00:27:18,871 --> 00:27:20,339 This has. 518 00:27:20,372 --> 00:27:23,275 - I will tell you this is the best trade I've ever made. 519 00:27:23,309 --> 00:27:24,844 - Yeah, I think so, too, yeah. 520 00:27:24,877 --> 00:27:25,912 I think so, too. 521 00:27:25,945 --> 00:27:29,081 And I will trade this with a trash can. 522 00:27:31,951 --> 00:27:33,185 Everyone's upset about their water bill. 523 00:27:33,219 --> 00:27:34,186 You know that, right? 524 00:27:34,220 --> 00:27:35,121 I know they are. 525 00:27:35,154 --> 00:27:35,955 Can you at least give us a break? 526 00:27:35,988 --> 00:27:38,357 - You can smell MCHM in water below 527 00:27:38,390 --> 00:27:40,993 the protective health limit. 528 00:27:41,027 --> 00:27:42,394 As a water company-- 529 00:27:43,429 --> 00:27:44,463 - I'm sleepin' great. 530 00:27:44,496 --> 00:27:47,099 - Give the people in this valley some confidence. 531 00:27:47,133 --> 00:27:49,101 - We have to follow what's given to us 532 00:27:49,135 --> 00:27:51,037 as health-based guidance. 533 00:27:51,070 --> 00:27:54,106 It is a fear-based issue because people can smell it. 534 00:27:54,140 --> 00:27:56,008 - I'm understanding that not one of you up here 535 00:27:56,042 --> 00:27:58,477 are willing to say unequivocally, it's safe, 536 00:27:58,510 --> 00:28:00,379 and I would assume that you would have 537 00:28:00,412 --> 00:28:04,083 to have zero parts per billion, trillion, no nothing. 538 00:28:04,116 --> 00:28:06,819 - We monitor for 100 contaminants at various times 539 00:28:06,853 --> 00:28:09,455 throughout the year, and if anyone thinks that every 540 00:28:09,488 --> 00:28:12,258 water treatment system has absolutely zero of all 541 00:28:12,291 --> 00:28:15,762 of these chemicals or compounds, they're mistaken. 542 00:28:15,795 --> 00:28:17,797 There are limits set. 543 00:28:21,533 --> 00:28:24,503 - Water utilities simply don't have the information 544 00:28:24,536 --> 00:28:27,740 on how to remove 50,000 chemicals in the water. 545 00:28:27,774 --> 00:28:28,674 - Right. 546 00:28:28,707 --> 00:28:30,409 - So the Environmental Protection Action 547 00:28:30,442 --> 00:28:31,277 sets those standards. 548 00:28:31,310 --> 00:28:33,245 There's little information available. 549 00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:36,248 That's just surprising to me, which is why we got involved. 550 00:28:36,282 --> 00:28:39,752 I'm not here to convince you the water is safe. 551 00:28:39,786 --> 00:28:41,387 I'm here to figure out if it is. 552 00:28:41,420 --> 00:28:43,355 Dr. Andy Whelton had just arrived 553 00:28:43,389 --> 00:28:45,124 with a team of students. 554 00:28:45,157 --> 00:28:47,493 He's an independent scientist and a water protection 555 00:28:47,526 --> 00:28:50,763 strategist who used to work in the military. 556 00:28:50,797 --> 00:28:52,832 - There's simply not a lot of data associated 557 00:28:52,865 --> 00:28:57,136 with what chemicals are in waterways and water sources. 558 00:28:57,169 --> 00:29:00,773 In fact, the EPA only requires water companies 559 00:29:00,807 --> 00:29:04,510 to test for 76 chemicals, and since MCHM wasn't 560 00:29:05,411 --> 00:29:09,548 on this list, it was legal for it to be in the water. 561 00:29:09,581 --> 00:29:13,319 But MCHM has an extremely rare quality. 562 00:29:13,352 --> 00:29:16,856 You can smell it in parts per billion. 563 00:29:16,889 --> 00:29:18,858 It's like putting one drop of MCHM 564 00:29:18,891 --> 00:29:22,161 into a 10,000 gallon fish tank. 565 00:29:22,194 --> 00:29:24,430 - In the drinking water industry, we're looking 566 00:29:24,463 --> 00:29:26,866 for that one device that can tell us everything. 567 00:29:26,899 --> 00:29:29,535 Because it doesn't exist, we have to rely 568 00:29:29,568 --> 00:29:32,071 on multiple devices to tell us a little bit 569 00:29:32,104 --> 00:29:35,274 of information about the water that we're looking at. 570 00:29:35,307 --> 00:29:37,309 But aren't there more than 80,000 571 00:29:37,343 --> 00:29:38,945 chemicals used in commerce? 572 00:29:38,978 --> 00:29:40,179 - Right, and because they-- 573 00:29:40,212 --> 00:29:42,348 So you're saying there's no way to test for them? 574 00:29:42,381 --> 00:29:45,351 - There is no tri-quarter to determine which of the 575 00:29:45,384 --> 00:29:47,219 80,000 chemicals is present. 576 00:29:47,253 --> 00:29:49,555 Because there was an odor, that was exactly 577 00:29:49,588 --> 00:29:51,490 how it was detected. 578 00:29:51,523 --> 00:29:55,161 So imagine, without the smell, the chemical 579 00:29:55,194 --> 00:29:57,429 would have gone unnoticed. 580 00:29:57,463 --> 00:30:00,967 People would have drank MCHM without knowing. 581 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,836 Just insist on leaving your complaint 582 00:30:03,870 --> 00:30:05,938 and your intent not to pay. 583 00:30:05,972 --> 00:30:07,874 The CDC would never have had to determine 584 00:30:07,907 --> 00:30:11,510 that one part per million was safe. 585 00:30:11,543 --> 00:30:13,479 - A lot of things just didn't make sense. 586 00:30:13,512 --> 00:30:17,249 How did the CDC come up with the screening levels? 587 00:30:17,283 --> 00:30:19,251 We all have the same question. 588 00:30:19,285 --> 00:30:21,353 Is my water really safe? 589 00:30:21,387 --> 00:30:25,557 I value and trust the opinions of the CDC and the EPA. 590 00:30:26,425 --> 00:30:29,395 - Thank you very much, Governor. 591 00:30:29,428 --> 00:30:30,863 Is your water safe? 592 00:30:30,897 --> 00:30:34,901 What I can say is that you can use your water 593 00:30:34,934 --> 00:30:36,602 however you like. 594 00:30:36,635 --> 00:30:39,538 - We had expected them to come in, and ease people's fears. 595 00:30:39,571 --> 00:30:41,908 Instead, they just threw a little gasoline on the fire. 596 00:30:41,941 --> 00:30:46,245 - There are no studies on humans for this substance. 597 00:30:46,278 --> 00:30:47,579 - After the water use ban has been lifted, 598 00:30:47,613 --> 00:30:49,581 if we're still smelling the water in the way we are, 599 00:30:49,615 --> 00:30:52,384 there is some amount of chemical somewhere. 600 00:30:52,418 --> 00:30:54,053 - The CDC has set a screening level. 601 00:30:54,086 --> 00:30:57,123 Doesn't mean there is potentially zero in there. 602 00:30:57,156 --> 00:30:58,524 - You know, they gave us a one part per million. 603 00:30:58,557 --> 00:30:59,926 Then they came to town and wouldn't say 604 00:30:59,959 --> 00:31:01,560 that it was safe to drink. 605 00:31:01,593 --> 00:31:04,997 The Centers for Disease Control everybody relies on. 606 00:31:05,031 --> 00:31:09,001 And at that point, everybody was sort of dumbfounded. 607 00:31:09,035 --> 00:31:11,070 So for some reason the most important 608 00:31:11,103 --> 00:31:14,240 health agency in the entire world was no longer willing 609 00:31:14,273 --> 00:31:16,108 to use the word, safe. 610 00:31:16,142 --> 00:31:19,011 - In refusing to declare the water safe, I think we're 611 00:31:19,045 --> 00:31:21,413 setting ourselves up in the future for something 612 00:31:21,447 --> 00:31:23,983 that we may not be proud of. 613 00:31:29,555 --> 00:31:31,457 - This is an independent project. 614 00:31:31,490 --> 00:31:33,592 We're pleased to have you, and we appreciate your help. 615 00:31:33,625 --> 00:31:35,261 Dr. Whelton. 616 00:31:35,294 --> 00:31:39,231 - As far as the testing phase, we go out tomorrow. 617 00:31:39,265 --> 00:31:42,034 Dr. Whelton went from working on his own dime 618 00:31:42,068 --> 00:31:44,937 to working for the governor. 619 00:31:44,971 --> 00:31:48,975 It was now his job to do what the CDC could not. 620 00:31:59,318 --> 00:32:02,654 Eastman Chemical, they make about nine billion 621 00:32:02,688 --> 00:32:04,656 dollars every year. 622 00:32:04,690 --> 00:32:07,526 They're the original creator of MCHM, 623 00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:11,597 which means they're required to create a Safety Data Sheet. 624 00:32:11,630 --> 00:32:13,732 Tells you all these symptoms it affects. 625 00:32:13,765 --> 00:32:15,534 It's the only information that's available 626 00:32:15,567 --> 00:32:18,304 to the public and to emergency responders. 627 00:32:18,337 --> 00:32:20,706 - The people in my world, that's what we rely on. 628 00:32:20,739 --> 00:32:22,441 We go out on a truck wreck or something, 629 00:32:22,474 --> 00:32:25,411 and there's a tank leaking, we gotta look at a data sheet. 630 00:32:25,444 --> 00:32:26,545 That's all we have. 631 00:32:26,578 --> 00:32:29,381 But if you look at a data sheet for MCHM, 632 00:32:29,415 --> 00:32:32,985 nearly every field reads no data available 633 00:32:33,019 --> 00:32:36,588 including most important symptoms and effects. 634 00:32:36,622 --> 00:32:40,592 However, there was one useful piece of information, 635 00:32:40,626 --> 00:32:44,997 the average amount of MCHM it takes to kill a rat. 636 00:32:46,165 --> 00:32:48,334 - Any time you talk about what levels are safe 637 00:32:48,367 --> 00:32:52,004 for people to expose to, that's a big deal. 638 00:32:52,038 --> 00:32:55,007 But how the CDC determined what amount 639 00:32:55,041 --> 00:32:56,608 was acceptable is kind of shocking. 640 00:32:58,577 --> 00:33:02,448 Without knowing if MCHM causes cancer or reproductive harm 641 00:33:02,481 --> 00:33:04,716 the CDC decided what amount was safe 642 00:33:04,750 --> 00:33:08,687 from this piece of information, how much Eastman Chemical 643 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,057 says it takes to kill a rat. 644 00:33:12,591 --> 00:33:15,194 This would explain why the CDC told pregnant women 645 00:33:15,227 --> 00:33:17,663 not to drink the water. 646 00:33:17,696 --> 00:33:21,667 It seemed that they didn't know what the effects might be. 647 00:33:37,749 --> 00:33:40,186 - These are studies that are done in secrecy. 648 00:33:40,219 --> 00:33:42,554 They're not available to the public 649 00:33:42,588 --> 00:33:43,822 or the regulators to review. 650 00:33:43,855 --> 00:33:46,825 - Companies have had trade secrets for as long 651 00:33:46,858 --> 00:33:50,596 as they've been in business so that the competition 652 00:33:50,629 --> 00:33:53,799 wouldn't have access to their information. 653 00:33:53,832 --> 00:33:54,766 But you don't have to look far 654 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:55,867 to find an example. 655 00:33:55,901 --> 00:33:59,638 According to the Safety Data Sheet of PPH, the second 656 00:33:59,671 --> 00:34:03,609 chemical on the spill, it's identity was withheld as a trade 657 00:34:03,642 --> 00:34:07,079 secret, but this is actually the norm. 658 00:34:07,113 --> 00:34:08,780 There's a government accountability report 659 00:34:08,814 --> 00:34:12,684 that revealed 95% of new chemicals contain 660 00:34:12,718 --> 00:34:16,522 some information claimed as confidential. 661 00:34:16,555 --> 00:34:17,389 95%. 662 00:34:18,490 --> 00:34:23,362 But MCHM was no longer confidential because Eastman 663 00:34:23,395 --> 00:34:26,232 Chemical had released the studies. 664 00:34:27,266 --> 00:34:30,136 At least one thing stood out. 665 00:34:30,169 --> 00:34:32,738 There was a note from a lead researcher. 666 00:34:32,771 --> 00:34:35,707 It said that their first study of MCHM 667 00:34:35,741 --> 00:34:40,279 had bad rats, so the results were of limited value. 668 00:34:40,312 --> 00:34:44,783 And the rats had exhibited something called hematuria. 669 00:34:44,816 --> 00:34:48,154 It turns out the rats were peeing blood. 670 00:34:49,421 --> 00:34:53,592 Was it normal to blame undesirable results on the rats? 671 00:35:05,471 --> 00:35:07,306 What what do you mean? 672 00:35:12,844 --> 00:35:14,446 So you're a lawyer. 673 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:15,814 Who are you suing? 674 00:35:15,847 --> 00:35:16,848 - Everybody. 675 00:35:17,916 --> 00:35:20,552 The clinical finding in the lab notes 676 00:35:20,586 --> 00:35:22,854 that was never put in any report 677 00:35:22,888 --> 00:35:26,158 was not that there was just hematuria 678 00:35:27,226 --> 00:35:31,230 but that in some of the rats, the blood was actually 679 00:35:31,263 --> 00:35:33,765 green that was in the urine. 680 00:35:33,799 --> 00:35:35,834 - Where was this study because I didn't see it? 681 00:35:35,867 --> 00:35:38,770 - Well, you couldn't find that by looking at the study. 682 00:35:38,804 --> 00:35:42,208 You'd have to sue Eastman and get into the discovery 683 00:35:42,241 --> 00:35:45,344 process and then get their lab notes. 684 00:35:52,784 --> 00:35:53,919 Are you looking for a spot? 685 00:35:53,952 --> 00:35:55,321 - Yeah, let's go. 686 00:35:55,354 --> 00:35:57,489 Hold onto your everything here. 687 00:36:03,762 --> 00:36:04,963 Here you go. 688 00:36:04,996 --> 00:36:06,365 People joke with me all the time. 689 00:36:06,398 --> 00:36:08,200 They know that I fish, and they'll say, oh, 690 00:36:08,234 --> 00:36:11,303 you catch any three-eyed fish out there? 691 00:36:11,337 --> 00:36:13,972 Oh, you catch some deformed ones every once in a while, 692 00:36:14,005 --> 00:36:15,106 but fish are just like people. 693 00:36:15,140 --> 00:36:17,409 Any time I'm in this area, there's always 694 00:36:17,443 --> 00:36:18,710 that like sweet smell. 695 00:36:18,744 --> 00:36:19,711 Can you smell it? 696 00:36:19,745 --> 00:36:20,512 - Yeah. 697 00:36:20,546 --> 00:36:23,249 I forget what they make down there. 698 00:36:23,282 --> 00:36:24,583 But they're permitted to dump a certain 699 00:36:24,616 --> 00:36:25,851 amount in here, right? 700 00:36:25,884 --> 00:36:26,652 That's how it works? 701 00:36:26,685 --> 00:36:28,220 - Yeah, they're permitted to dump 702 00:36:28,254 --> 00:36:29,555 a certain amount of certain things. 703 00:36:29,588 --> 00:36:31,523 You know, I don't know. 704 00:36:31,557 --> 00:36:34,760 No, they test their outfalls. 705 00:36:34,793 --> 00:36:37,763 They test what's in the outfalls, and then they report 706 00:36:37,796 --> 00:36:39,965 that to us once a quarter. 707 00:36:42,468 --> 00:36:43,369 That's a good question. 708 00:36:43,402 --> 00:36:46,004 How do I know if they're tellin' the truth? 709 00:36:46,037 --> 00:36:48,940 We've never, ever had that kind of problem 710 00:36:48,974 --> 00:36:50,976 'cause they typically will contract that out 711 00:36:51,009 --> 00:36:54,346 to a third party to come in and do the sampling, 712 00:36:54,380 --> 00:36:56,715 and then prepare the report. 713 00:36:58,484 --> 00:37:00,819 We'll look at their reports. 714 00:37:02,821 --> 00:37:05,291 Later that night, I went to the EPA's website 715 00:37:05,324 --> 00:37:07,593 to see how many facilities his agency 716 00:37:07,626 --> 00:37:09,728 had actually inspected. 717 00:37:09,761 --> 00:37:14,400 Only 11, less than any other state, but while I was here 718 00:37:14,433 --> 00:37:17,703 I saw something that surprised me. 719 00:37:17,736 --> 00:37:21,540 There were huge numbers of violations in every state. 720 00:37:21,573 --> 00:37:23,975 The national average for facilities dumping more 721 00:37:24,009 --> 00:37:27,679 than they're supposed to was 38%. 722 00:37:27,713 --> 00:37:30,982 West Virginia was actually below the national average. 723 00:37:31,016 --> 00:37:35,521 The Clean Water Act requires a fine of not less 724 00:37:35,554 --> 00:37:39,391 than 2,500 dollars or more than 25,000 dollars 725 00:37:40,058 --> 00:37:44,463 per day of violation, so how much are companies 726 00:37:44,496 --> 00:37:46,798 actually being fined in total? 727 00:37:47,933 --> 00:37:50,736 Here's the average total fine in West Virginia. 728 00:37:50,769 --> 00:37:53,038 California was the highest. 729 00:37:53,071 --> 00:37:57,309 But in many states, the fine wasn't even above 730 00:37:57,343 --> 00:38:01,580 the required daily minimum of 2,500 dollars. 731 00:38:01,613 --> 00:38:05,884 In Illinois, the fine is less than a parking ticket. 732 00:38:05,917 --> 00:38:08,520 It made sense why weak enforcement might be happening 733 00:38:08,554 --> 00:38:11,089 in West Virginia, but I couldn't understand 734 00:38:11,122 --> 00:38:15,594 why it seemed to be happening everywhere else. 735 00:38:15,627 --> 00:38:18,597 - It's not a giant, but it's fish. 736 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,935 It was the last day of the legislative calendar, 737 00:38:23,969 --> 00:38:25,771 and they were holding a vote on what was now 738 00:38:25,804 --> 00:38:28,740 colloquially known as the tank bill. 739 00:38:28,774 --> 00:38:30,876 If it passed, it would be the strongest piece 740 00:38:30,909 --> 00:38:33,745 of environmental legislation the state had seen 741 00:38:33,779 --> 00:38:34,913 in a generation. 742 00:38:36,815 --> 00:38:38,484 - Environmental pollution's really not a problem 743 00:38:38,517 --> 00:38:41,920 when it doesn't affect you, but what happens if it does? 744 00:38:41,953 --> 00:38:43,889 - This sounds like a real fiimby issue. 745 00:38:44,990 --> 00:38:47,092 it's in my back yard. 746 00:38:47,125 --> 00:38:50,696 - Concerned citizens comin' to the capitol to voice 747 00:38:50,729 --> 00:38:53,599 their opinion on the water situation in Charleston. 748 00:38:53,632 --> 00:38:56,935 Well, I was told I wasn't allowed to sit 749 00:38:56,968 --> 00:38:58,804 on the floor, so I'm gonna sit up 750 00:38:58,837 --> 00:39:00,105 in the gallery with the people. 751 00:39:00,138 --> 00:39:03,509 - 59 days since our water was poisoned. 752 00:39:03,542 --> 00:39:06,912 This is the exclamation point on the end 753 00:39:06,945 --> 00:39:11,583 of our success in dealing with the water crisis this year. 754 00:39:11,617 --> 00:39:12,851 - The question now is on passage of the bill. 755 00:39:12,884 --> 00:39:13,919 All those in favor will vote green. 756 00:39:13,952 --> 00:39:15,120 All those opposed will vote red. 757 00:39:15,153 --> 00:39:16,121 Prepare the machine. 758 00:39:25,431 --> 00:39:26,832 Near the stroke of midnight, 759 00:39:26,865 --> 00:39:29,568 the tank bill passed unanimously. 760 00:39:31,069 --> 00:39:34,773 Incredibly, West Virginia had just become the first state 761 00:39:34,806 --> 00:39:37,142 to enact this type of a law. 762 00:39:39,044 --> 00:39:40,045 It was down to the wire, 763 00:39:40,078 --> 00:39:41,947 but the process isn't done. 764 00:39:41,980 --> 00:39:44,015 It is for this legislative session, 765 00:39:44,049 --> 00:39:45,684 but there's next year as well. 766 00:39:45,717 --> 00:39:47,819 - It now goes from words to actual work 767 00:39:47,853 --> 00:39:50,889 that my department has to do. 768 00:39:50,922 --> 00:39:52,157 So there are a lot of tanks out there, 769 00:39:52,190 --> 00:39:56,528 and there's a lot of stuff in this bill that has to be done. 770 00:39:57,228 --> 00:39:58,430 No. 771 00:40:05,070 --> 00:40:08,874 - Before I have questions, but today, 772 00:40:08,907 --> 00:40:10,175 based on the evidence, the information, 773 00:40:10,208 --> 00:40:12,177 the chemical levels of people's homes, 774 00:40:12,210 --> 00:40:14,680 the water is safe to drink. 775 00:40:16,782 --> 00:40:18,884 The water no longer had a smell, 776 00:40:18,917 --> 00:40:22,888 and Dr. Whelton made his announcement to an empty room. 777 00:40:26,725 --> 00:40:29,995 It was fall of 20014, and the DEP had finished inspecting 778 00:40:30,028 --> 00:40:32,498 storage tanks across the state. 779 00:40:32,531 --> 00:40:35,567 They found 1,100 were in such bad shape, 780 00:40:35,601 --> 00:40:38,069 they had to be decommissioned. 781 00:40:38,103 --> 00:40:38,937 1,100. 782 00:40:40,806 --> 00:40:43,074 Was it this bad around the country? 783 00:40:43,108 --> 00:40:45,143 Maybe unregulated chemicals had been spilling 784 00:40:45,176 --> 00:40:48,947 with regularity, chemicals that you couldn't smell, 785 00:40:48,980 --> 00:40:52,250 and if that's the case, then Freedom Industries 786 00:40:52,283 --> 00:40:54,653 was just horribly unlucky. 787 00:40:56,988 --> 00:40:59,525 Four former Freedom officers have been indicted 788 00:40:59,558 --> 00:41:01,192 by a federal grand jury. 789 00:41:01,226 --> 00:41:05,564 It's alleged the defendants violated the Clean Water Act. 790 00:41:05,597 --> 00:41:07,899 According to the FBI, Southern lied 791 00:41:07,933 --> 00:41:09,234 about his role with the company 792 00:41:09,267 --> 00:41:11,002 prior to being named president. 793 00:41:11,036 --> 00:41:13,705 He now faces 30 years in prison. 794 00:41:19,845 --> 00:41:20,912 - Dr. Gupta. 795 00:41:20,946 --> 00:41:21,880 Hey, how are ya? 796 00:41:21,913 --> 00:41:22,681 - It had been a full year since the crisis. 797 00:41:22,714 --> 00:41:25,617 Congratulations on your new role. 798 00:41:25,651 --> 00:41:26,552 - Thank you very much. 799 00:41:26,585 --> 00:41:28,153 - Dr. Gupta was now in charge of health 800 00:41:28,186 --> 00:41:29,921 for the entire state. 801 00:41:29,955 --> 00:41:32,591 Now, does this mean you're part of state government? 802 00:41:32,624 --> 00:41:35,093 yes. 803 00:41:35,126 --> 00:41:36,061 What's that like? 804 00:41:36,094 --> 00:41:40,566 Things seemed good, almost better than good. 805 00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:43,635 That is until I sat him down for his interview. 806 00:41:43,669 --> 00:41:44,736 Something was off. 807 00:41:44,770 --> 00:41:48,807 - Of course, we've had since multiple developments, 808 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,242 positive developments, and I think we've been able 809 00:41:51,276 --> 00:41:54,813 to strengthen a number of things across in the state. 810 00:41:54,846 --> 00:41:58,116 We're working to further strengthen over the next year 811 00:41:58,149 --> 00:42:01,687 or two many more things that we have been even over 812 00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:05,891 and above, on top of prior what we've done before. 813 00:42:07,759 --> 00:42:10,862 Perhaps he couldn't speak freely 814 00:42:10,896 --> 00:42:14,866 because there was a government handler in the room. 815 00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:33,118 Right, right. 816 00:42:33,151 --> 00:42:35,120 You're not completely under the control of-- 817 00:42:35,153 --> 00:42:36,287 - There you go. 818 00:42:36,321 --> 00:42:37,222 - The powers that be. 819 00:42:37,255 --> 00:42:38,123 - There you go. 820 00:42:38,156 --> 00:42:39,157 - Andy, I'm sorry. 821 00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:42,994 What exactly are you trying to say about MCHM? 822 00:42:50,736 --> 00:42:52,871 Does that mean that MCHM is twice as toxic 823 00:42:52,904 --> 00:42:55,006 as what Eastman reported? 824 00:43:12,090 --> 00:43:15,894 That throws the whole system into question. 825 00:43:19,865 --> 00:43:22,267 If the science was this wrong with one chemical, 826 00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:25,003 science that's usually confidential, 827 00:43:25,036 --> 00:43:27,272 what were the odds that companies were fabricating 828 00:43:27,305 --> 00:43:30,141 safety data on a far larger scale? 829 00:43:31,142 --> 00:43:34,345 And how are they getting away with it? 830 00:43:34,379 --> 00:43:37,949 - The water doesn't smell like licorice anymore. 831 00:43:37,983 --> 00:43:40,852 And people have resumed their normal lives. 832 00:43:40,886 --> 00:43:43,354 Lobbyists have had a year to really plot and plan. 833 00:43:43,388 --> 00:43:45,891 They were very, very quiet last year, 834 00:43:45,924 --> 00:43:47,759 and that was strategic. 835 00:43:47,793 --> 00:43:49,761 Perhaps this meant that there was an opportunity 836 00:43:49,795 --> 00:43:52,197 to see who really controls chemical policies 837 00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:54,232 and the safety of water. 838 00:43:55,066 --> 00:43:57,168 So what's up with the tank bill? 839 00:43:57,202 --> 00:43:59,004 - So a year goes by. 840 00:43:59,037 --> 00:44:02,040 Now, people are saying well, maybe we should 841 00:44:02,073 --> 00:44:04,375 go back and revisit it. 842 00:44:04,409 --> 00:44:07,145 It basically undoes all that was done last year, 843 00:44:07,178 --> 00:44:09,715 and it makes any kind of a regulatory framework 844 00:44:09,748 --> 00:44:11,983 for tanks irrelevant and meaningless. 845 00:44:12,017 --> 00:44:13,919 - Who are the groups then that are behind this? 846 00:44:13,952 --> 00:44:17,122 - Nobody wants their name on the bill. 847 00:44:17,989 --> 00:44:21,960 You can almost figure it out when you look 848 00:44:21,993 --> 00:44:25,831 at the legislation and see who benefits most from it. 849 00:44:25,864 --> 00:44:26,898 That tells you a lot. 850 00:44:26,932 --> 00:44:31,102 The bill specifically said just because your oil 851 00:44:32,771 --> 00:44:35,040 and gas related means you're exempt. 852 00:44:35,073 --> 00:44:37,876 There was no other scientific research behind it. 853 00:44:37,909 --> 00:44:40,245 - Do you think that what happened last year 854 00:44:40,278 --> 00:44:41,913 changed you at all? 855 00:44:41,947 --> 00:44:42,914 - Yeah, I think so. 856 00:44:42,948 --> 00:44:46,785 It changed not just me, maybe it was just me. 857 00:44:46,818 --> 00:44:48,453 Maybe my perspective is what's changed, 858 00:44:48,486 --> 00:44:52,991 but it got some people at the table, citizen activists. 859 00:44:53,024 --> 00:44:56,461 Their idea is not to change this philosophical change 860 00:44:56,494 --> 00:44:59,064 in the world, but it's about dealing with practical 861 00:44:59,097 --> 00:45:02,968 issues such as keeping your water clean. 862 00:45:03,001 --> 00:45:03,802 Yes, sir. 863 00:45:03,835 --> 00:45:04,803 Yes, sir. 864 00:45:04,836 --> 00:45:06,037 1:15, I'll see you up there. 865 00:45:06,071 --> 00:45:10,108 You guys just missed the governor walking out. 866 00:45:10,141 --> 00:45:12,978 - Do you mind taking a camera with you? 867 00:45:13,011 --> 00:45:14,980 Then you just hit this on the side. 868 00:45:15,013 --> 00:45:16,514 - And it videos. 869 00:45:16,547 --> 00:45:19,885 There had been a massive train derailment. 870 00:45:19,918 --> 00:45:22,988 At least 18 tankers had spilled oil into the river. 871 00:45:23,021 --> 00:45:27,192 It seemed like a bad time to try to undo last year's bill. 872 00:45:29,094 --> 00:45:31,897 So my understanding is that there is an effort to remove 873 00:45:31,930 --> 00:45:35,133 at least 99% of all the tanks from needing to be inspected. 874 00:45:35,166 --> 00:45:38,203 - There's such a huge influx of so many lobbyist groups 875 00:45:38,236 --> 00:45:40,906 behind individual members. 876 00:45:40,939 --> 00:45:44,910 Until I learn more about it, I can't speak to what the bill 877 00:45:44,943 --> 00:45:48,013 completely will do, but it doesn't look good. 878 00:45:48,046 --> 00:45:49,480 The lobbyists hovered around 879 00:45:49,514 --> 00:45:51,883 the center of the capitol. 880 00:45:54,319 --> 00:45:56,888 Are you guys oil and gas, or are you something else? 881 00:45:56,922 --> 00:45:57,889 - I'm city. 882 00:45:57,923 --> 00:45:58,990 - You are filming us right now. 883 00:45:59,024 --> 00:45:59,791 Hi. 884 00:45:59,825 --> 00:46:01,793 You can cut it please, thank you. 885 00:46:01,827 --> 00:46:05,997 - I represent a series of businesses, oil and gas, 886 00:46:06,031 --> 00:46:08,900 manufacturing, larger employers. 887 00:46:10,035 --> 00:46:11,436 So were you involved in drafting 888 00:46:11,469 --> 00:46:12,971 the legislation at all? 889 00:46:13,004 --> 00:46:13,972 - No. 890 00:46:14,005 --> 00:46:15,073 Who would that be? 891 00:46:15,106 --> 00:46:17,275 - That's a great question. 892 00:46:21,546 --> 00:46:24,415 And I have not seen her here today. 893 00:46:24,449 --> 00:46:26,384 Even the Democratic Senator who created 894 00:46:26,417 --> 00:46:29,921 the original tank bill was now supporting the gutting of it. 895 00:46:29,955 --> 00:46:32,090 I read through the piece of legislation that there's 896 00:46:32,123 --> 00:46:34,059 no third party inspection. 897 00:46:34,092 --> 00:46:35,160 There's no anything. 898 00:46:35,193 --> 00:46:37,028 - You assume that everybody are telling the truth, 899 00:46:37,062 --> 00:46:39,397 but every once in a while, the IRS will audit you. 900 00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:43,869 - If I cheat on my taxes, 300,000 people 901 00:46:43,902 --> 00:46:47,272 - So this was a bill that was introduced by industry folks. 902 00:46:47,305 --> 00:46:48,573 Speaking of industry folks, 903 00:46:48,606 --> 00:46:51,076 what did Rebecca Randolph send you? 904 00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:52,077 - Oh, I don't know. 905 00:46:52,110 --> 00:46:53,078 You can have it. 906 00:46:53,111 --> 00:46:55,546 - 100 years of the West Virginia Manufacturer's, 907 00:46:55,580 --> 00:46:57,115 oh, Swiss chocolates. 908 00:46:57,148 --> 00:46:58,249 Oh, that's nice. 909 00:46:58,283 --> 00:47:00,285 - Aren't they the most powerful of all the lobbyists? 910 00:47:00,318 --> 00:47:03,221 - Private Coal Association also has a lot of say. 911 00:47:03,254 --> 00:47:05,290 - Any way you need to contact her, it's right here. 912 00:47:05,323 --> 00:47:07,859 Maybe I'll keep this one. 913 00:47:07,893 --> 00:47:11,162 The derailment had forced American Water to shut down 914 00:47:11,196 --> 00:47:13,531 one of its treatment plants. 915 00:47:15,066 --> 00:47:17,002 It refused all of my interview requests, 916 00:47:17,035 --> 00:47:19,070 so it was a rare opportunity to find out 917 00:47:19,104 --> 00:47:22,007 their stance on these changes. 918 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,075 - I think that any attempts right now to try to weaken 919 00:47:24,109 --> 00:47:27,345 water protections, especially with events like this 920 00:47:27,378 --> 00:47:30,115 and last year's event being so fresh in people's mind, 921 00:47:30,148 --> 00:47:34,152 I can't imagine anyone being on board with that. 922 00:47:35,153 --> 00:47:37,055 The Manufacturers' Association is a coalition 923 00:47:37,088 --> 00:47:41,292 of businesses who lobby for their shared interests. 924 00:47:41,326 --> 00:47:45,496 It includes chemical companies like DuPont, Dow, and Bayer. 925 00:47:46,431 --> 00:47:50,635 But there was one name on this list I didn't expect. 926 00:47:50,668 --> 00:47:54,005 It seemed that the water company was putting their 927 00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:58,009 bottom line before the safety of their only product. 928 00:48:04,115 --> 00:48:05,050 You have a new job. 929 00:48:05,083 --> 00:48:06,651 You have nine other people working for you, 930 00:48:06,684 --> 00:48:09,120 and the stakes are really high, so in you're 931 00:48:09,154 --> 00:48:11,089 in a very different political environment. 932 00:48:11,122 --> 00:48:14,059 But why not try and protect this regulation? 933 00:48:14,092 --> 00:48:17,662 - There's plenty of folks out there that can do that. 934 00:48:17,695 --> 00:48:20,165 I cannot afford to do it. 935 00:48:20,198 --> 00:48:21,699 Here's my responsibility and my role, 936 00:48:21,732 --> 00:48:24,069 and I intend to fully do that. 937 00:48:24,102 --> 00:48:27,505 It's very important that we keep scientific evidence 938 00:48:27,538 --> 00:48:30,608 in front and center of every policy-making 939 00:48:30,641 --> 00:48:33,611 and not go in reverse because that's exactly 940 00:48:33,644 --> 00:48:38,016 what some of the times the other side is trying to do. 941 00:48:49,127 --> 00:48:51,429 - We've got a lab just had to shut down because they had 942 00:48:51,462 --> 00:48:55,166 a lab person admit to fabricating results, 943 00:48:57,168 --> 00:48:59,971 fabricating the same analytical data you're talking about 944 00:49:00,005 --> 00:49:02,007 that they're supposed to self report. 945 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,075 They were doing tests for a lot of coal companies 946 00:49:04,109 --> 00:49:05,176 and other folks. 947 00:49:05,210 --> 00:49:08,146 I don't know who the ones were for 948 00:49:08,179 --> 00:49:10,081 that they actually fabricated. 949 00:49:10,115 --> 00:49:12,250 I don't know the specifics on that. 950 00:49:12,283 --> 00:49:14,052 But the bottom line it doesn't matter is it brings 951 00:49:14,085 --> 00:49:18,256 into question the integrity of the whole operation. 952 00:49:20,091 --> 00:49:22,027 - So you gonna run for governor in two years. 953 00:49:22,060 --> 00:49:25,196 - I'm gonna run from the capitol, not to the capitol. 954 00:49:25,230 --> 00:49:27,098 I was trying to find 955 00:49:27,132 --> 00:49:28,699 Rebecca Randolph obviously today. 956 00:49:28,733 --> 00:49:29,534 She wasn't in. 957 00:49:29,567 --> 00:49:30,501 Do you think she'll be in tomorrow? 958 00:49:30,535 --> 00:49:33,304 There's a bill up at two o'clock. 959 00:49:33,338 --> 00:49:34,305 Like a stakeholder's meeting? 960 00:49:34,339 --> 00:49:37,608 Yeah, I know she'll be here for that. 961 00:49:37,642 --> 00:49:39,077 - So right behind me in the corner over there 962 00:49:39,110 --> 00:49:41,012 a stakeholders meeting is going on. 963 00:49:41,046 --> 00:49:43,081 And I don't know who all's involved in this, 964 00:49:43,114 --> 00:49:45,783 but we've been told that Rebecca from the Manufacturer's 965 00:49:45,816 --> 00:49:48,086 Association is there along with anyone 966 00:49:48,119 --> 00:49:51,156 who is considered a stakeholder to the state. 967 00:49:57,528 --> 00:49:59,397 I'm just gonna go in. 968 00:50:07,272 --> 00:50:11,109 - So it's similar to the language on page 18, 969 00:50:11,142 --> 00:50:13,078 but a little bit different. 970 00:50:13,111 --> 00:50:14,045 I couldn't believe it. 971 00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:17,115 Every major lobbying group was in that room 972 00:50:17,148 --> 00:50:20,585 rewriting the tank bill in front of me. 973 00:50:20,618 --> 00:50:23,321 - I mean, I hear everyone on how they're already 974 00:50:23,354 --> 00:50:25,290 regulated and maybe that's good enough. 975 00:50:25,323 --> 00:50:27,825 What else could have been done to minimize the risk 976 00:50:27,858 --> 00:50:30,561 in the Freedom thing and to me, it goes back 977 00:50:30,595 --> 00:50:33,498 to certification and inspection process. 978 00:50:34,732 --> 00:50:37,135 I mean, where do you guys see the issue 979 00:50:37,168 --> 00:50:38,136 with what we're already covering though? 980 00:50:38,169 --> 00:50:39,737 - Had that been going on for some period of time, 981 00:50:39,770 --> 00:50:43,774 years, that leak would've never happened. 982 00:50:43,808 --> 00:50:45,243 Randy seemed to be putting up 983 00:50:45,276 --> 00:50:47,145 a pretty good fight. 984 00:50:53,118 --> 00:50:54,719 - The more hazardous or dangerous it is, 985 00:50:54,752 --> 00:50:57,122 then it needs to be included in level one. 986 00:50:57,155 --> 00:50:58,856 - We don't think that's workable for us. 987 00:50:58,889 --> 00:51:00,825 - We're already covered under 988 00:51:00,858 --> 00:51:03,561 adequate stringent regulations. 989 00:51:03,594 --> 00:51:05,863 - That's not gonna work, guys. 990 00:51:05,896 --> 00:51:06,897 I'm just tellin' y'all. 991 00:51:06,931 --> 00:51:07,765 We'll go back to a groundwork for an exemption 992 00:51:07,798 --> 00:51:10,168 to coal mining operation and individual. 993 00:51:10,201 --> 00:51:11,636 I think we've done all the damage 994 00:51:11,669 --> 00:51:12,637 we can do today. 995 00:51:13,904 --> 00:51:14,972 There you have it. 996 00:51:15,005 --> 00:51:18,843 That's a how a law is weakened beyond recognition. 997 00:51:18,876 --> 00:51:21,812 But where had these changes come from in the first place? 998 00:51:21,846 --> 00:51:23,414 Rebecca? 999 00:51:23,448 --> 00:51:24,815 Hi, Cullen Hoback. 1000 00:51:24,849 --> 00:51:25,750 - Oh, hi. 1001 00:51:25,783 --> 00:51:26,917 - I've been trying to get a hold of you. 1002 00:51:26,951 --> 00:51:28,819 Were you relevant in terms of crafting the bill itself? 1003 00:51:28,853 --> 00:51:31,389 - I mean, we had some input. 1004 00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:34,459 Candidly what I'm gonna tell you on camera, 1005 00:51:34,492 --> 00:51:37,362 I mean, is that our folks will be the first ones 1006 00:51:37,395 --> 00:51:39,397 to get in line to do what's necessary 1007 00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:42,767 when considering protection of the resource 1008 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,402 that we're trying to protect. 1009 00:51:44,435 --> 00:51:46,137 - Are you going to work to change the bill 1010 00:51:46,171 --> 00:51:47,838 from its current form to make it so it covers more 1011 00:51:47,872 --> 00:51:49,907 of the tanks that are out there? 1012 00:51:49,940 --> 00:51:53,378 'Cause like right now it just literally undoes last year. 1013 00:51:53,411 --> 00:51:57,215 - I don't, I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that. 1014 00:52:13,464 --> 00:52:15,600 It was once again the last day of session, 1015 00:52:15,633 --> 00:52:18,403 and they were about to vote on changing the tank bill. 1016 00:52:22,773 --> 00:52:25,943 The bill had been undone with little fanfare. 1017 00:52:25,976 --> 00:52:30,381 Another Freedom Industries was primed to happen again. 1018 00:52:30,415 --> 00:52:31,616 Senator Hall? 1019 00:52:31,649 --> 00:52:32,617 - Yes. 1020 00:52:32,650 --> 00:52:35,220 Are you the lead sponsor on SB423? 1021 00:52:35,253 --> 00:52:36,221 - Yes, I was. 1022 00:52:36,254 --> 00:52:39,390 - Did you write the bill, or-- 1023 00:52:39,424 --> 00:52:40,391 - No, I didn't write. 1024 00:52:40,425 --> 00:52:41,626 I mean, the attorneys wrote it. 1025 00:52:41,659 --> 00:52:44,595 Whose attorneys wrote it? 1026 00:52:44,629 --> 00:52:45,963 - Well, shoot, I mean, it was done, 1027 00:52:45,996 --> 00:52:48,599 I can't even tell ya. 1028 00:52:48,633 --> 00:52:51,869 The Manufacturer's Association, I don't know. 1029 00:52:51,902 --> 00:52:52,937 I don't know who did it. 1030 00:52:52,970 --> 00:52:54,905 - But surely someone came to you with the bill, 1031 00:52:54,939 --> 00:52:59,510 and they said, would you be the lead sponsor on this? 1032 00:52:59,544 --> 00:53:01,879 - People from the Manufacturer's Association did. 1033 00:53:01,912 --> 00:53:04,682 What's your interest in knowing who gave me the bill? 1034 00:53:04,715 --> 00:53:07,452 - Well, I've just been following the water crisis 1035 00:53:07,485 --> 00:53:08,519 from the beginning. 1036 00:53:08,553 --> 00:53:09,520 - Okay. 1037 00:53:09,554 --> 00:53:10,488 - And so because the bill-- 1038 00:53:10,521 --> 00:53:11,922 - Well, let me tell you what I tell people. 1039 00:53:11,956 --> 00:53:13,724 Somebody else got a speeding ticket, 1040 00:53:13,758 --> 00:53:15,226 and everybody else got a fine. 1041 00:53:15,260 --> 00:53:16,927 That's the way I view it. 1042 00:53:16,961 --> 00:53:18,429 That's it. 1043 00:53:18,463 --> 00:53:21,666 You know, it just gave an opportunity 1044 00:53:21,699 --> 00:53:24,602 for people to come in and just cause all sorts 1045 00:53:24,635 --> 00:53:28,273 of regulatory problems for us that weren't necessary. 1046 00:53:28,306 --> 00:53:30,875 So I'm happy 473 passed. 1047 00:53:30,908 --> 00:53:33,378 I'm glad my name is on the top. 1048 00:53:33,411 --> 00:53:34,445 - It's not a bad bill. 1049 00:53:34,479 --> 00:53:35,913 It's a good bill. 1050 00:53:35,946 --> 00:53:36,914 The guy didn't even know the number 1051 00:53:36,947 --> 00:53:38,416 of his own bill. 1052 00:53:38,449 --> 00:53:39,950 It's 423, not 473. 1053 00:53:41,819 --> 00:53:44,255 Maybe it's because he didn't write the bill. 1054 00:53:44,289 --> 00:53:46,991 It was the Manufacturer's Association. 1055 00:53:47,024 --> 00:53:49,794 Maybe he should be fist-bumping them. 1056 00:53:49,827 --> 00:53:54,031 Industry wasn't just undermining laws that protect water. 1057 00:53:54,064 --> 00:53:57,268 They were literally writing them. 1058 00:53:57,302 --> 00:54:00,771 Just how far did this kind of control reach? 1059 00:54:03,308 --> 00:54:07,512 Did you see what hit the news the other day, right? 1060 00:54:19,590 --> 00:54:22,427 - Well, I mean, I know I was bathing in it 1061 00:54:22,460 --> 00:54:24,929 for those two and a half months. 1062 00:54:32,403 --> 00:54:33,504 Hi. 1063 00:54:34,872 --> 00:54:36,040 Come here. 1064 00:54:36,073 --> 00:54:37,207 Let's get a snack. 1065 00:54:37,241 --> 00:54:38,543 Did you look at the stuff that the National 1066 00:54:38,576 --> 00:54:40,678 Toxicology Program released? 1067 00:54:40,711 --> 00:54:42,380 - I didn't. 1068 00:54:42,413 --> 00:54:44,749 Well, one thing they ended up saying about MCHM 1069 00:54:44,782 --> 00:54:48,018 is that it could cause reproductive harm. 1070 00:54:49,086 --> 00:54:51,389 - His muscle development was a little off, but-- 1071 00:54:51,422 --> 00:54:52,890 The symptoms associate with that 1072 00:54:52,923 --> 00:54:54,459 are developmental. 1073 00:54:54,492 --> 00:54:57,662 - Yeah, that's crazy actually. 1074 00:54:57,695 --> 00:54:58,829 That's weird. 1075 00:54:58,863 --> 00:55:03,000 But he's fine now, but he was about six months behind 1076 00:55:04,702 --> 00:55:07,872 in muscle development for a while, so. 1077 00:55:08,806 --> 00:55:10,575 - You know, we were worried, and we of course 1078 00:55:10,608 --> 00:55:12,977 had that in the back of our mind that, 1079 00:55:13,010 --> 00:55:14,545 there was no medical monitoring. 1080 00:55:14,579 --> 00:55:16,046 There was no doctor visits that happened 1081 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,049 every single year to check in or anything like that 1082 00:55:19,083 --> 00:55:21,686 to show, I guess, a conclusion. 1083 00:55:30,595 --> 00:55:32,062 On your data? 1084 00:55:32,096 --> 00:55:35,800 The study proving MCHM was twice as toxic? 1085 00:55:56,086 --> 00:55:57,922 But why would the CDC go out of their way 1086 00:55:57,955 --> 00:56:00,591 to hide the truth about MCHM? 1087 00:56:01,492 --> 00:56:03,027 It didn't make sense. 1088 00:56:26,984 --> 00:56:31,021 January of 2016, it's when the international spotlight 1089 00:56:31,055 --> 00:56:33,023 turned towards the lead contamination 1090 00:56:33,057 --> 00:56:36,561 in the drinking water of Flint, Michigan. 1091 00:56:36,594 --> 00:56:39,997 - It used to be cars were made in Flint, 1092 00:56:40,030 --> 00:56:43,868 and you couldn't drink the water in Mexico. 1093 00:56:43,901 --> 00:56:46,671 Now, the cars are made in Mexico, 1094 00:56:47,872 --> 00:56:51,108 and you can't drink the water in Flint. 1095 00:56:52,543 --> 00:56:54,745 It makes you feel bad as a parent to know 1096 00:56:54,779 --> 00:56:58,549 that you've been poisoning your child all this time. 1097 00:56:58,583 --> 00:57:00,050 Why are you worrying? 1098 00:57:00,084 --> 00:57:00,918 - Because. 1099 00:57:03,020 --> 00:57:06,857 - I'm afraid it's not gonna be fixed. 1100 00:57:06,891 --> 00:57:08,759 - We're gonna have problems with kids in special education 1101 00:57:08,793 --> 00:57:12,630 services, cognition, behavioral problems, focusing. 1102 00:57:12,663 --> 00:57:14,231 It was a shot in the dark, 1103 00:57:14,264 --> 00:57:16,567 but maybe this contamination held the key 1104 00:57:16,601 --> 00:57:19,136 to opening up this story. 1105 00:57:19,169 --> 00:57:21,839 - A lot of people in Flint have lead pipe like this 1106 00:57:21,872 --> 00:57:24,509 going from the water main that runs down the street 1107 00:57:24,542 --> 00:57:26,010 into their homes. 1108 00:57:26,043 --> 00:57:27,077 Scientists from Virginia Tech came up 1109 00:57:27,111 --> 00:57:28,879 to test the water in Flint. 1110 00:57:28,913 --> 00:57:31,516 - The corrosive water actually ate up every 1111 00:57:31,549 --> 00:57:33,651 metallic pipe in the system. 1112 00:57:33,684 --> 00:57:35,052 Government officials it turns out, 1113 00:57:35,085 --> 00:57:36,086 did know about the lead. 1114 00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,089 - We are fully cooperating with investigations 1115 00:57:39,123 --> 00:57:41,726 and will hold those individuals accountable. 1116 00:57:41,759 --> 00:57:45,129 Unlike MCHM, lead doesn't have an odor. 1117 00:57:45,162 --> 00:57:48,265 This had enabled officials to cover this up 1118 00:57:48,298 --> 00:57:50,100 for over two years. 1119 00:57:56,841 --> 00:57:58,776 But I had a hard time that officials 1120 00:57:58,809 --> 00:58:01,011 would knowingly poison 8,000 kids 1121 00:58:01,045 --> 00:58:03,848 just to save a few bucks on water. 1122 00:58:09,286 --> 00:58:13,057 - The parts per billion in her house was over 13,000. 1123 00:58:13,090 --> 00:58:14,725 13,000. 1124 00:58:14,759 --> 00:58:16,260 I've never seen a level that high. 1125 00:58:16,293 --> 00:58:20,097 And the state removed her house from the sampling protocol. 1126 00:58:20,130 --> 00:58:22,099 Like, where are the red flags that were going off 1127 00:58:22,132 --> 00:58:23,067 in people's brains? 1128 00:58:23,100 --> 00:58:25,736 Dr. Mona Hanna-Attisha is one of 1129 00:58:25,770 --> 00:58:29,173 two main people that brought this contamination to light. 1130 00:58:29,206 --> 00:58:31,075 She looked at the blood results of more than 1131 00:58:31,108 --> 00:58:32,242 1,700 children from Flint. 1132 00:58:32,276 --> 00:58:34,945 - So we were attacked. 1133 00:58:34,979 --> 00:58:37,915 The state said I was causing near hysteria. 1134 00:58:37,948 --> 00:58:40,217 That their numbers were not consistent with our numbers. 1135 00:58:40,250 --> 00:58:42,152 When the state tells you you're wrong, it's hard 1136 00:58:42,186 --> 00:58:43,087 not to second-guess yourself. 1137 00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,122 They have a team of 50 epidemiologists. 1138 00:58:45,155 --> 00:58:46,757 You're supposed to sample from homes 1139 00:58:46,791 --> 00:58:47,925 that have lead plumbing. 1140 00:58:47,958 --> 00:58:50,094 They sampled from homes that didn't have lead plumbing, 1141 00:58:50,127 --> 00:58:52,129 so there was a lot of kind of manipulations 1142 00:58:52,162 --> 00:58:56,100 of how the water lead levels were being done. 1143 00:58:56,133 --> 00:58:59,704 So it continued the almost two years of denial, denial. 1144 00:58:59,737 --> 00:59:01,171 There's a problem. 1145 00:59:01,205 --> 00:59:03,040 I was reminded of the CDC refusing 1146 00:59:03,073 --> 00:59:05,109 Dr. Whelton's results. 1147 00:59:05,142 --> 00:59:09,580 Why were these agencies covering up the facts? 1148 00:59:09,614 --> 00:59:11,716 What's strange is that it didn't even seem like 1149 00:59:11,749 --> 00:59:13,317 the politicians were in on it. 1150 00:59:13,350 --> 00:59:17,087 Here's the governor of Michigan testifying before Congress. 1151 00:59:17,121 --> 00:59:19,223 - We'd go back to the experts over and over again. 1152 00:59:19,256 --> 00:59:21,792 We were told the water was safe. 1153 00:59:21,826 --> 00:59:23,160 That was wrong. 1154 00:59:23,193 --> 00:59:24,995 It wasn't just one department. 1155 00:59:25,029 --> 00:59:26,731 As it continued on, we got information not only 1156 00:59:26,764 --> 00:59:29,133 from the DEQ but the Department of Health 1157 00:59:29,166 --> 00:59:30,635 and Human Services that they didn't see 1158 00:59:30,668 --> 00:59:32,336 elevated levels in blood. 1159 00:59:32,369 --> 00:59:34,171 These departments that he's describing, 1160 00:59:34,204 --> 00:59:36,641 they're analogs to the ones that Randy Huffman 1161 00:59:36,674 --> 00:59:38,208 and Dr. Gupta run. 1162 00:59:38,242 --> 00:59:40,110 - Here's my briefing from the night before, 1163 00:59:40,144 --> 00:59:42,079 and it's information from both those departments 1164 00:59:42,112 --> 00:59:44,214 dismissing people. 1165 00:59:44,248 --> 00:59:47,117 I get so mad that I never should have believed them. 1166 00:59:47,151 --> 00:59:49,086 So we had cases where it took outside experts. 1167 00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:50,087 That's tragic. 1168 00:59:51,221 --> 00:59:52,289 - So this is scary. 1169 00:59:52,322 --> 00:59:56,160 You've got reproductive toxins, some cancer hazards. 1170 00:59:56,193 --> 00:59:57,895 Well, at least they're labeled. 1171 00:59:57,928 --> 00:59:58,763 - Yeah. 1172 00:59:58,796 --> 01:00:01,999 DC prepared me and my team for Flint. 1173 01:00:04,068 --> 01:00:07,171 Dr. Marc Edwards, outside expert 1174 01:00:07,204 --> 01:00:08,939 in Flint, number two. 1175 01:00:08,973 --> 01:00:11,041 It turns out this wasn't even the first time 1176 01:00:11,075 --> 01:00:14,078 he had gone toe to toe with federal agencies 1177 01:00:14,111 --> 01:00:15,913 over lead in drinking water. 1178 01:00:15,946 --> 01:00:19,316 - I had fought a 12 year battle in Washington DC 1179 01:00:19,349 --> 01:00:23,387 exposing government science agency corruption. 1180 01:00:23,420 --> 01:00:26,290 The Center for Disease Control, the USEPA, 1181 01:00:26,323 --> 01:00:28,392 the environmental policemen we pay to protect us 1182 01:00:28,425 --> 01:00:31,662 were actually the environmental criminals. 1183 01:00:31,696 --> 01:00:33,831 I mean, I know longer trust the CDC. 1184 01:00:33,864 --> 01:00:34,765 Why? 1185 01:00:34,799 --> 01:00:37,802 Because the upper levels of CDC is proving 1186 01:00:37,835 --> 01:00:40,671 themselves untrustworthy to me. 1187 01:00:40,705 --> 01:00:44,709 The amount of harm in Washington DC is 30 times worse 1188 01:00:44,742 --> 01:00:46,811 than what happened in Flint, Michigan. 1189 01:00:46,844 --> 01:00:49,146 They poisoned thousands of children, 1190 01:00:49,179 --> 01:00:52,683 covered it up for about seven years. 1191 01:00:52,717 --> 01:00:56,120 I had to betray some of my best friends, people I went 1192 01:00:56,153 --> 01:00:59,189 to graduate school with, who were working with the EPA 1193 01:00:59,223 --> 01:01:02,159 and creating fabricated reports. 1194 01:01:04,461 --> 01:01:06,063 Is it lobbyists? 1195 01:01:06,096 --> 01:01:07,197 Is it the politicians who appoint them? 1196 01:01:07,231 --> 01:01:11,802 - Well, how could the Catholic church do what it did? 1197 01:01:13,237 --> 01:01:15,973 Make it in your interest to engage in unethical behavior 1198 01:01:16,006 --> 01:01:18,408 to cover up problems, and if you can get away with it, 1199 01:01:18,442 --> 01:01:20,077 you will do that. 1200 01:01:21,011 --> 01:01:22,747 Ultimately, there was a Congressional hearing 1201 01:01:22,780 --> 01:01:25,015 where they were chastised publicly, 1202 01:01:25,049 --> 01:01:27,117 but no one was ever held accountable. 1203 01:01:27,151 --> 01:01:29,053 It seemed history was repeating itself. 1204 01:01:29,086 --> 01:01:31,889 Here's the head of the EPA at the Congressional 1205 01:01:31,922 --> 01:01:33,891 hearing about Flint. 1206 01:01:33,924 --> 01:01:37,394 Has anybody been fired? 1207 01:01:37,427 --> 01:01:39,129 That's a question. 1208 01:01:39,163 --> 01:01:40,130 - No, sir. 1209 01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:43,968 - No, sir. 1210 01:01:44,001 --> 01:01:47,004 - EPA covered this up every step of the way. 1211 01:01:47,037 --> 01:01:51,742 They will protect their reputation above all else. 1212 01:01:51,776 --> 01:01:53,744 - Oversight was our responsibility. 1213 01:01:53,778 --> 01:01:56,346 We took that seriously, and we conducted it. 1214 01:01:56,380 --> 01:01:58,215 Does that mean I don't have regrets? 1215 01:01:58,248 --> 01:02:00,517 - One heroic employee there, he wrote a memo 1216 01:02:00,550 --> 01:02:03,921 that said EPA should exert emergency powers. 1217 01:02:03,954 --> 01:02:06,323 But in response, he was told that they weren't 1218 01:02:06,356 --> 01:02:09,059 sure Flint was the kind of community they wanted 1219 01:02:09,093 --> 01:02:11,228 to go out on a limb for. 1220 01:02:11,261 --> 01:02:15,532 And so this EPA official was ignored over and over again. 1221 01:02:15,565 --> 01:02:18,302 He was so fed up that after 27 years of working 1222 01:02:18,335 --> 01:02:21,138 for the EPA, he had this to say. 1223 01:02:21,171 --> 01:02:23,073 "People trying to do the right thing are constantly 1224 01:02:23,107 --> 01:02:26,176 "being subjected to intense scrutiny as if we were 1225 01:02:26,210 --> 01:02:28,145 "doing something wrong. 1226 01:02:28,178 --> 01:02:30,781 "It's all of this, don't find anything bad crap 1227 01:02:30,815 --> 01:02:34,118 "at EPA that's the reason I desperately want to leave. 1228 01:02:34,151 --> 01:02:36,020 "EPA is a cesspool." 1229 01:02:37,421 --> 01:02:40,090 This would explain why in the months after Flint 1230 01:02:40,124 --> 01:02:43,193 when other communities tested their water systems, 1231 01:02:43,227 --> 01:02:46,897 it turned out that Flint was just the tip of the iceberg. 1232 01:02:46,931 --> 01:02:49,033 - Pittsburghers are likely drinking water laced 1233 01:02:49,066 --> 01:02:50,200 with toxic lead. 1234 01:02:50,234 --> 01:02:52,402 - Chicago parks shut off hundreds of drinking fountains. 1235 01:02:52,436 --> 01:02:54,204 The water in Garfield, Texas. 1236 01:02:54,238 --> 01:02:55,973 - 10% of Portland homes. 1237 01:02:56,006 --> 01:02:58,809 - All drinking fountains at Ohio's most important 1238 01:02:58,843 --> 01:03:00,344 and historic building. 1239 01:03:00,377 --> 01:03:02,179 According to an investigation 1240 01:03:02,212 --> 01:03:04,849 conducted by Reuters, nearly 3,000 areas 1241 01:03:04,882 --> 01:03:09,053 had lead poisoning rates far higher than in Flint. 1242 01:03:12,256 --> 01:03:14,191 - And then you ask the question, well, if they're 1243 01:03:14,224 --> 01:03:17,394 doing that for lead in water, what else are they hiding? 1244 01:03:17,427 --> 01:03:20,230 - How can we trust any of the science 1245 01:03:20,264 --> 01:03:23,600 that's coming out of the EPA, if this is the culture there? 1246 01:03:23,633 --> 01:03:24,835 - That's the reality. 1247 01:03:24,869 --> 01:03:25,870 You cannot. 1248 01:03:25,903 --> 01:03:28,072 It seemed that the EPA and CDC were 1249 01:03:28,105 --> 01:03:32,276 too busy protecting their own reputations to be trusted. 1250 01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:36,480 If Dr. Edwards was right, it's what I'd been missing. 1251 01:03:41,418 --> 01:03:44,254 - The fact is most whistle blowers regret it. 1252 01:03:44,288 --> 01:03:47,157 I was at the top of the game at EPA. 1253 01:03:47,191 --> 01:03:50,094 In my case, the EPA funded the University of Georgia 1254 01:03:50,127 --> 01:03:53,097 to publish 20 years of fake data to counteract 1255 01:03:53,130 --> 01:03:56,400 research I published at UGA documenting 1256 01:03:57,434 --> 01:03:59,403 adverse health affects. 1257 01:03:59,436 --> 01:04:04,141 - How are you sure the data was being falsified, made up? 1258 01:04:04,174 --> 01:04:07,344 - The scientists admitting under oath the data were faked 1259 01:04:07,377 --> 01:04:10,047 and that they believed people were getting sick. 1260 01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:14,251 In one case, a federal judge ruled the data were fabricated. 1261 01:04:15,085 --> 01:04:19,256 The CDC is doing exactly the same thing that EPA is doing. 1262 01:04:20,624 --> 01:04:23,994 The most astounding part of that is that even 1263 01:04:24,028 --> 01:04:28,198 when the CDC and EPA admit their data are fake 1264 01:04:28,232 --> 01:04:30,935 and they're caught, they still will not remove it 1265 01:04:30,968 --> 01:04:32,502 from the scientific literature. 1266 01:04:32,536 --> 01:04:36,406 Political appointees go through the revolving door 1267 01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:38,342 between government and industry. 1268 01:04:38,375 --> 01:04:41,345 They're washing each other's hands. 1269 01:04:41,378 --> 01:04:44,281 Who runs independent tests outside 1270 01:04:44,314 --> 01:04:47,017 of these agencies to ensure the drinking water is safe? 1271 01:04:47,051 --> 01:04:48,218 - That's the scary thing. 1272 01:04:48,252 --> 01:04:49,419 Almost no one. 1273 01:04:52,622 --> 01:04:54,458 There are other chemicals going into the 1274 01:04:54,491 --> 01:04:58,228 water that are not being tested, not being reported. 1275 01:04:58,262 --> 01:05:00,030 And there is a method for figuring out 1276 01:05:00,064 --> 01:05:01,031 what those chemicals are. 1277 01:05:01,065 --> 01:05:04,201 - It's wicked expensive to do chemical testing. 1278 01:05:04,234 --> 01:05:05,169 If you're looking to find something, 1279 01:05:05,202 --> 01:05:07,471 you need to know what you're looking for. 1280 01:05:07,504 --> 01:05:09,273 And that's a huge undertaking. 1281 01:05:15,279 --> 01:05:16,446 The plan was to test near major 1282 01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:18,482 industrial sites in the river. 1283 01:05:18,515 --> 01:05:21,251 If we found any chemicals at a high concentration, 1284 01:05:21,285 --> 01:05:24,621 we would test for that same chemical in taps downstream. 1285 01:05:24,654 --> 01:05:27,291 It was impossible to test for everything, 1286 01:05:27,324 --> 01:05:31,561 so we picked chemicals that were the most likely suspects. 1287 01:05:51,281 --> 01:05:52,616 So have you been drinking the water? 1288 01:05:52,649 --> 01:05:56,220 - I haven't since the whole thing started. 1289 01:05:56,253 --> 01:05:59,256 You know, you have one bout with rare cancer, 1290 01:05:59,289 --> 01:06:01,625 and you're real careful after that. 1291 01:06:01,658 --> 01:06:05,262 I have a son in law who works for DuPont. 1292 01:06:05,295 --> 01:06:08,198 Yeah, we're right down from it now. 1293 01:06:09,299 --> 01:06:10,100 Yeah, I'm real curious 1294 01:06:10,134 --> 01:06:12,169 what they're puttin' in the water. 1295 01:06:12,202 --> 01:06:13,403 - I am, too. 1296 01:06:13,437 --> 01:06:14,271 I am, too. 1297 01:06:28,318 --> 01:06:29,319 All right. 1298 01:06:29,353 --> 01:06:30,120 What's that, Rick? 1299 01:06:30,154 --> 01:06:31,055 There's a boat coming towards us? 1300 01:06:31,088 --> 01:06:32,789 We can fill these up on the way. 1301 01:06:32,822 --> 01:06:34,291 - All right, let's get out of here. 1302 01:06:39,529 --> 01:06:42,232 Two months later, the scientist that I'd been 1303 01:06:42,266 --> 01:06:45,802 working with at USGS or United States Geological Survey 1304 01:06:45,835 --> 01:06:48,505 sent me an email with the results. 1305 01:06:48,538 --> 01:06:51,075 His response was surprising. 1306 01:06:51,841 --> 01:06:54,311 There was no smoking gun. 1307 01:06:54,344 --> 01:06:56,780 They found very little of the chemicals that they expected 1308 01:06:56,813 --> 01:06:57,947 to be in the river. 1309 01:06:57,981 --> 01:07:01,251 And we had done our testing near what should have been 1310 01:07:01,285 --> 01:07:02,786 the release points. 1311 01:07:02,819 --> 01:07:05,222 Either we had done something wrong, 1312 01:07:05,255 --> 01:07:06,390 or they really weren't releasing 1313 01:07:06,423 --> 01:07:09,559 all that much into the river. 1314 01:07:09,593 --> 01:07:13,397 However, there was something that I didn't understand. 1315 01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:16,333 In the lab report, there are all of these unidentified 1316 01:07:16,366 --> 01:07:18,068 tiny little peaks. 1317 01:07:18,735 --> 01:07:22,839 What was the big thing that you uncovered? 1318 01:07:22,872 --> 01:07:25,475 - People in towns and cities across America 1319 01:07:25,509 --> 01:07:29,279 were getting sick that lived next to where 1320 01:07:29,313 --> 01:07:33,350 land application of sewage sludge was occurring. 1321 01:07:33,383 --> 01:07:36,320 See, material that settles out at sewage treatment plants 1322 01:07:36,353 --> 01:07:40,324 is mostly human feces mixed with industrial waste, 1323 01:07:40,357 --> 01:07:42,259 and it's free fertilizer. 1324 01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:47,331 Some of it's sold at Home Depot and other outlets. 1325 01:07:47,364 --> 01:07:51,568 Every chemical that could possibly cause harm 1326 01:07:51,601 --> 01:07:54,304 to human health is there. 1327 01:07:54,338 --> 01:07:58,275 So I went about to document these illnesses and deaths 1328 01:07:58,308 --> 01:08:01,645 and found out that they were linked to an EPA policy. 1329 01:08:01,678 --> 01:08:06,216 In the early '70s passed the Clean Water Act. 1330 01:08:06,250 --> 01:08:10,187 That made a very expensive industry to pollute 1331 01:08:10,220 --> 01:08:14,258 our rivers and lakes, so once their lobbyists got involved 1332 01:08:14,291 --> 01:08:18,428 and they got in bed with EPA and vice versa, 1333 01:08:18,462 --> 01:08:21,765 what they wanted was, there's no clean soil act. 1334 01:08:21,798 --> 01:08:25,902 Let's just dump all this on land, not regulate it, 1335 01:08:25,935 --> 01:08:27,871 and make it free for us. 1336 01:08:27,904 --> 01:08:30,707 That's what happened in 1993. 1337 01:08:30,740 --> 01:08:33,477 That was the first Clinton administration. 1338 01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:36,346 The agency was reorganized science-wise, 1339 01:08:36,380 --> 01:08:38,415 so it became very political at that point. 1340 01:08:38,448 --> 01:08:39,916 - So industry is basically flushing 1341 01:08:39,949 --> 01:08:42,386 chemicals down the drain? 1342 01:08:42,419 --> 01:08:43,853 - Now, they don't have to build a pipe 1343 01:08:43,887 --> 01:08:46,390 to the river and pay for it. 1344 01:08:46,423 --> 01:08:48,625 They flush it down the toilet. 1345 01:08:48,658 --> 01:08:51,428 - That would explain why when I tested the river, 1346 01:08:51,461 --> 01:08:53,830 it was cleaner than I expected. 1347 01:08:53,863 --> 01:08:58,568 - Yeah, it's now going everywhere we 1348 01:08:58,602 --> 01:09:02,772 school playgrounds, parks, golf courses, farms, forests. 1349 01:09:05,242 --> 01:09:08,578 It rains, so it runs off into creeks and streams. 1350 01:09:08,612 --> 01:09:10,447 It goes into the rivers and lakes. 1351 01:09:10,480 --> 01:09:14,651 - I have to admit it sounds a little far-fetched to me. 1352 01:09:16,786 --> 01:09:18,622 - Well, you see what happened in Flint. 1353 01:09:18,655 --> 01:09:22,892 The mere fact that scientists cannot publish data 1354 01:09:22,926 --> 01:09:25,829 that shows what the government's doing and what 1355 01:09:25,862 --> 01:09:29,766 universities are doing, that explains all this. 1356 01:09:32,802 --> 01:09:35,805 - How old are the people who died? 1357 01:09:35,839 --> 01:09:39,376 - From small children to elderly people. 1358 01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:45,215 Looking back at the data from the river, 1359 01:09:45,249 --> 01:09:46,750 it now made sense. 1360 01:09:46,783 --> 01:09:50,420 All of these little peaks, they represented chemicals. 1361 01:09:50,454 --> 01:09:54,224 Instead of there being huge amounts of just a few chemicals, 1362 01:09:54,258 --> 01:09:57,927 there were small amounts of hundreds, if not thousands. 1363 01:09:57,961 --> 01:10:00,664 And they couldn't be identified because we didn't 1364 01:10:00,697 --> 01:10:03,233 know what to look for. 1365 01:10:03,267 --> 01:10:05,835 Very little research is being done in this field. 1366 01:10:05,869 --> 01:10:09,306 However, there were a number of studies that had looked 1367 01:10:09,339 --> 01:10:12,642 for low levels of drugs appearing in rivers. 1368 01:10:12,676 --> 01:10:16,880 Drugs that people consume and then flush down the drain. 1369 01:10:16,913 --> 01:10:21,285 Antidepressants, steroids, antibiotics, even meth, 1370 01:10:23,420 --> 01:10:27,291 every drug researchers had looked for was in the river 1371 01:10:27,324 --> 01:10:30,394 in the parts per billion range. 1372 01:10:30,427 --> 01:10:33,297 And when they tested fertilizer made from sewage sludge, 1373 01:10:33,330 --> 01:10:36,266 in many cases the drugs were there, too, 1374 01:10:36,300 --> 01:10:39,436 but at exponentially higher levels. 1375 01:10:39,469 --> 01:10:41,471 This research was indisputable. 1376 01:10:41,505 --> 01:10:42,839 It had been replicated by multiple 1377 01:10:42,872 --> 01:10:45,241 agencies across the globe. 1378 01:10:45,909 --> 01:10:47,811 Dr. Lewis was right. 1379 01:10:47,844 --> 01:10:50,680 Clearly these peaks were not all benign. 1380 01:10:50,714 --> 01:10:54,784 If these chemicals were all appearing in river samples, 1381 01:10:54,818 --> 01:10:58,988 then were they getting into our drinking water as well? 1382 01:11:00,557 --> 01:11:01,525 Some of your chemicals 1383 01:11:01,558 --> 01:11:03,026 are starting to come off. 1384 01:11:03,059 --> 01:11:04,894 - Each of those peaks is a chemical? 1385 01:11:04,928 --> 01:11:08,332 - This whole area underneath here is probably 1386 01:11:08,365 --> 01:11:12,068 200 different chemicals are coming off right now. 1387 01:11:12,101 --> 01:11:14,070 - This sample was from my own 1388 01:11:14,103 --> 01:11:16,306 tap water in California. 1389 01:11:20,410 --> 01:11:22,746 It turns out that there is a way to identify 1390 01:11:22,779 --> 01:11:24,814 some of the peaks. 1391 01:11:24,848 --> 01:11:27,384 The sample can be run against a huge database of chemicals, 1392 01:11:27,417 --> 01:11:30,320 and sometimes you can find a match. 1393 01:11:32,088 --> 01:11:34,624 So we tested downstream of the chemical valley. 1394 01:11:34,658 --> 01:11:38,395 If we did find a chemical of concern, I believed 1395 01:11:38,428 --> 01:11:42,432 that Dr. Gupta and possibly Randy Huffman would help us 1396 01:11:42,466 --> 01:11:47,103 proving that regulators can put science before politics. 1397 01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,081 Now, there were other chemicals found. 1398 01:11:58,114 --> 01:11:59,816 This is the one that I thought was 1399 01:11:59,849 --> 01:12:01,084 the most concerning of the bunch. 1400 01:12:01,117 --> 01:12:03,753 It says one, one, two, two tetrachloroethane. 1401 01:12:03,787 --> 01:12:06,356 It has a quality match of 96 that we found 1402 01:12:06,390 --> 01:12:07,824 in four of the five locations. 1403 01:12:07,857 --> 01:12:10,727 It's three to four times more toxic than MCHM. 1404 01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:12,762 California considers it to be a carcinogen. 1405 01:12:12,796 --> 01:12:15,399 A little less than one part per billion. 1406 01:12:15,432 --> 01:12:17,133 But what I'm really trying to understand is like, 1407 01:12:17,166 --> 01:12:19,135 is this a big deal or not? 1408 01:12:19,168 --> 01:12:21,371 - These are small numbers, but they're significant 1409 01:12:21,405 --> 01:12:23,440 numbers to my mind, you know. 1410 01:12:23,473 --> 01:12:25,074 This is coming out of the water plant. 1411 01:12:25,108 --> 01:12:29,379 - I didn't realize those were drinking water samples. 1412 01:12:29,413 --> 01:12:30,313 That's a huge deal. 1413 01:12:30,346 --> 01:12:34,384 So the analytics were done by USGS labs? 1414 01:12:34,418 --> 01:12:35,385 Yeah. 1415 01:12:35,419 --> 01:12:36,886 They do great science. 1416 01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:38,455 - The lead chemist who did this research, 1417 01:12:38,488 --> 01:12:40,857 he has 130 scientific papers published. 1418 01:12:40,890 --> 01:12:43,493 He felt very confident that this chemical was there. 1419 01:12:43,527 --> 01:12:45,094 - One of the guys who used to work for me, 1420 01:12:45,128 --> 01:12:47,731 he's a PhD chemist, he seems to think it's real. 1421 01:12:47,764 --> 01:12:50,467 I mean, I expected to be unconvinced. 1422 01:12:50,500 --> 01:12:51,401 I did, too. 1423 01:12:51,435 --> 01:12:52,769 - I'm convinced. 1424 01:12:54,471 --> 01:12:55,505 It's real. 1425 01:12:56,172 --> 01:12:57,907 Have we gone upstream? 1426 01:12:57,941 --> 01:12:59,443 We didn't find any high concentrations 1427 01:12:59,476 --> 01:13:01,545 of this in our river testing. 1428 01:13:01,578 --> 01:13:03,947 But it could be leaching out of soil. 1429 01:13:03,980 --> 01:13:06,483 It doesn't mean it was dumped. 1430 01:13:06,516 --> 01:13:07,917 - That doesn't mean it's still not a crisis 1431 01:13:07,951 --> 01:13:10,053 because if it's happened this time, it's happened 1432 01:13:10,086 --> 01:13:12,188 in the past, and it will happen again in the future. 1433 01:13:12,221 --> 01:13:15,191 If you had buy-in from state agencies, tell the public 1434 01:13:15,224 --> 01:13:18,194 about this, that would be good if they'd play. 1435 01:13:18,227 --> 01:13:19,629 - Yeah, but Jeff McIntyre's the president 1436 01:13:19,663 --> 01:13:22,198 of West Virginia American Water. 1437 01:13:22,231 --> 01:13:25,134 I think you need to give it a shot. 1438 01:13:25,168 --> 01:13:26,936 So I sent an email to the key players 1439 01:13:26,970 --> 01:13:28,204 in American Water. 1440 01:13:28,237 --> 01:13:29,673 I hadn't heard back. 1441 01:13:29,706 --> 01:13:31,040 It looks like reception's locked. 1442 01:13:31,074 --> 01:13:32,442 That's weird. 1443 01:13:32,476 --> 01:13:34,911 It's the middle of a work day. 1444 01:13:34,944 --> 01:13:35,779 Okay. 1445 01:13:37,013 --> 01:13:40,216 I am here to speak to either Laura Jordan or Jeff McIntyre 1446 01:13:40,249 --> 01:13:44,420 about some data regarding a chemical in the water. 1447 01:13:45,489 --> 01:13:47,457 They're behind closed doors. 1448 01:13:47,491 --> 01:13:50,159 Can you have one of them give me a call back? 1449 01:13:50,193 --> 01:13:52,128 All right, I just need to be able to share this data 1450 01:13:52,161 --> 01:13:54,531 with somebody who can look at it 1451 01:13:54,564 --> 01:13:56,065 and make an informed decision. 1452 01:13:59,969 --> 01:14:01,771 So these concentrations pretty much match 1453 01:14:01,805 --> 01:14:03,172 what we found in the river. 1454 01:14:03,206 --> 01:14:04,841 - So you found it in taps, too. 1455 01:14:04,874 --> 01:14:06,009 - Yeah, correct. 1456 01:14:06,042 --> 01:14:08,878 We weren't able to pinpoint a source, so I'm thinking 1457 01:14:08,912 --> 01:14:10,580 maybe it's due to rainfall. 1458 01:14:10,614 --> 01:14:12,682 - You didn't sample in the Ohio River. 1459 01:14:12,716 --> 01:14:13,783 - No, I haven't done that yet. 1460 01:14:13,817 --> 01:14:15,719 That would be something that'd be really good to do, 1461 01:14:15,752 --> 01:14:17,253 especially after everything thaws. 1462 01:14:17,286 --> 01:14:18,387 - We just don't know. 1463 01:14:18,421 --> 01:14:21,157 We just gotta do some research and see what we find 1464 01:14:21,190 --> 01:14:23,727 and if we can find anything. 1465 01:14:24,594 --> 01:14:27,196 You have any plans to share this information 1466 01:14:27,230 --> 01:14:30,834 with our state health department, Bureau 1467 01:14:30,867 --> 01:14:34,671 I mean, they regulate drinking water. 1468 01:14:34,704 --> 01:14:36,940 - Well, I sent Dr. Gupta all of the data. 1469 01:14:36,973 --> 01:14:39,809 He hasn't made time yet, so. 1470 01:14:39,843 --> 01:14:40,677 - Okay. 1471 01:14:42,746 --> 01:14:44,180 A big event was planned in the shadow 1472 01:14:44,213 --> 01:14:47,684 of the capitol to celebrate safe water. 1473 01:14:50,319 --> 01:14:53,089 Dr. Gupta and the president of West Virginia 1474 01:14:53,122 --> 01:14:56,626 American Water were both keynote speakers. 1475 01:14:57,961 --> 01:15:01,230 - How much information is to be shared? 1476 01:15:06,770 --> 01:15:08,037 When we don't know something, 1477 01:15:08,071 --> 01:15:09,238 I will tell you we don't know it. 1478 01:15:09,272 --> 01:15:10,774 Thank you for having me today. 1479 01:15:20,083 --> 01:15:23,987 - Yeah, but what's the minimum detection limit? 1480 01:15:25,254 --> 01:15:27,156 That's really important. 1481 01:15:27,190 --> 01:15:29,659 All I know with a very high degree of certainty 1482 01:15:29,693 --> 01:15:31,294 is that it was in the water two months ago. 1483 01:15:31,327 --> 01:15:33,296 Like, if you had someone from your department 1484 01:15:33,329 --> 01:15:35,031 go and run tests-- 1485 01:15:41,104 --> 01:15:43,773 I mean, I sent you all the data. 1486 01:15:50,379 --> 01:15:51,948 But if the chemical is in fact there, 1487 01:15:51,981 --> 01:15:55,619 then it's something that requires a degree of speed. 1488 01:15:55,652 --> 01:15:57,854 Do you think that the public should at least 1489 01:15:57,887 --> 01:16:01,625 have the ability to make a decision about this 1490 01:16:01,658 --> 01:16:03,660 from the available data? 1491 01:16:06,362 --> 01:16:08,598 It would only be carefully disseminated information 1492 01:16:08,632 --> 01:16:12,802 that explains exactly what we know and what we don't know. 1493 01:16:21,344 --> 01:16:22,311 Thank you, Dr. Gupta. 1494 01:16:22,345 --> 01:16:24,914 - I do think people have a right to know if any 1495 01:16:24,948 --> 01:16:28,184 substances are going to end up in their drinking water. 1496 01:16:28,217 --> 01:16:32,055 I think people do have a right to know that up front 1497 01:16:32,088 --> 01:16:33,623 whether these substances are classified 1498 01:16:33,657 --> 01:16:36,660 as hazardous or non-hazardous. 1499 01:16:36,693 --> 01:16:38,161 In the coming days, his department 1500 01:16:38,194 --> 01:16:40,263 would look for any holes they could find in our data 1501 01:16:40,296 --> 01:16:43,366 implying that we had somehow added this chemical 1502 01:16:43,399 --> 01:16:45,835 into the samples ourselves. 1503 01:16:46,803 --> 01:16:49,305 Behind the scenes, officials had already cast so much doubt, 1504 01:16:49,338 --> 01:16:53,009 the local press seemed nervous to run the story. 1505 01:16:53,042 --> 01:16:55,378 It was hard to blame them as it reminded me of something 1506 01:16:55,411 --> 01:16:57,280 Dr. Edwards had said. 1507 01:16:57,313 --> 01:17:02,051 - You have to fight this on your own because who else 1508 01:17:02,085 --> 01:17:03,820 wants to pay a price? 1509 01:17:05,388 --> 01:17:08,391 I had exhausted every option except for one. 1510 01:17:08,424 --> 01:17:09,392 Can I hold that for one sec? 1511 01:17:09,425 --> 01:17:10,426 - Yeah. 1512 01:17:10,459 --> 01:17:11,795 - While we wait for those answers to come in, 1513 01:17:11,828 --> 01:17:13,963 I have an announcement to make. 1514 01:17:13,997 --> 01:17:17,801 So four months ago, I went the Kanawha River, 1515 01:17:17,834 --> 01:17:19,235 and I took samples. 1516 01:17:19,268 --> 01:17:20,870 It was an audience full of health department 1517 01:17:20,904 --> 01:17:22,772 and water company employees. 1518 01:17:22,806 --> 01:17:25,842 I hoped that maybe they would respond to facts. 1519 01:17:25,875 --> 01:17:27,844 These tests came back at a range of 1520 01:17:27,877 --> 01:17:31,080 between .5 and .85 parts per billion. 1521 01:17:31,114 --> 01:17:33,282 These levels are not considered to be safe 1522 01:17:33,316 --> 01:17:35,384 in eight states in this country. 1523 01:17:35,418 --> 01:17:37,286 This should warrant further investigation 1524 01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:38,888 by your state officials. 1525 01:17:38,922 --> 01:17:39,889 Thank you. 1526 01:17:43,426 --> 01:17:45,795 - So I think it's kind of reprehensible to come up 1527 01:17:45,829 --> 01:17:48,832 and make a statement when you think you're sure, 1528 01:17:48,865 --> 01:17:50,433 but I can tell you I am sure. 1529 01:17:50,466 --> 01:17:52,401 And there is no concern with the Huntington water supply 1530 01:17:52,435 --> 01:17:54,871 relating to that chemical. 1531 01:17:54,904 --> 01:17:57,907 Imagine if officials had waited two months 1532 01:17:57,941 --> 01:18:00,176 after the original spill. 1533 01:18:00,209 --> 01:18:02,912 They wouldn't have found anything. 1534 01:18:02,946 --> 01:18:06,415 Not to mention that the soil was now frozen. 1535 01:18:07,817 --> 01:18:10,219 To my knowledge, no testing by the regulatory 1536 01:18:10,253 --> 01:18:12,355 agencies was ever done. 1537 01:18:17,126 --> 01:18:18,895 The carcinogen I had brought attention to 1538 01:18:18,928 --> 01:18:21,330 in West Virginia, it was just the one chemical 1539 01:18:21,364 --> 01:18:24,901 that we could detect, and it was unregulated. 1540 01:18:24,934 --> 01:18:27,270 So legally it could be in the water. 1541 01:18:27,303 --> 01:18:29,505 But there were still thousands of chemicals 1542 01:18:29,538 --> 01:18:32,408 that the system couldn't find a match for, 1543 01:18:32,441 --> 01:18:35,044 chemicals you couldn't smell. 1544 01:18:36,045 --> 01:18:38,214 And we don't know if they're harmful or not 1545 01:18:38,247 --> 01:18:40,884 because the studies are all confidential, 1546 01:18:40,917 --> 01:18:45,021 and the science could be fake like it was with MCHM. 1547 01:18:45,054 --> 01:18:47,090 Besides, who's going to look for something 1548 01:18:47,123 --> 01:18:50,259 that they don't want to find? 1549 01:18:50,293 --> 01:18:52,495 Changing culture, both industry 1550 01:18:52,528 --> 01:18:54,363 and government is a tough thing. 1551 01:18:54,397 --> 01:18:55,598 It's not easy. 1552 01:18:55,631 --> 01:18:58,034 I mean, I'm absolutely working to change the culture within 1553 01:18:58,067 --> 01:19:01,337 our side of it, and it's not that easy. 1554 01:19:05,441 --> 01:19:08,845 We can exonerate ourselves in our own minds anyway 1555 01:19:08,878 --> 01:19:10,847 if there's a villain. 1556 01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:14,083 That's why it's so easy to be a victim. 1557 01:19:14,117 --> 01:19:17,220 - Science is based completely on trust. 1558 01:19:17,253 --> 01:19:19,522 If scientists and engineers aren't trustworthy, 1559 01:19:19,555 --> 01:19:21,958 the public will turn against us. 1560 01:19:21,991 --> 01:19:24,127 And I think it's already happening. 1561 01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,395 And they will turn to other sources of authority 1562 01:19:26,429 --> 01:19:29,365 who are historically less reliable. 1563 01:19:30,399 --> 01:19:33,202 You could enter a new Dark Age. 1564 01:19:36,906 --> 01:19:38,541 - Failed environmental leadership has contributed 1565 01:19:38,574 --> 01:19:40,944 to two of the worst government-created environmental 1566 01:19:40,977 --> 01:19:43,346 disasters in decades, which have undermined 1567 01:19:43,379 --> 01:19:45,581 the American people's faith in the agency. 1568 01:19:45,614 --> 01:19:48,151 This is why I believe Trump nominated attorney general, 1569 01:19:48,184 --> 01:19:49,552 Pruitt, to serve as the administrator 1570 01:19:49,585 --> 01:19:51,487 of the Environmental Protection Agency. 1571 01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:55,925 - Mr. Pruitt, you have sued the EPA 19 times to stop 1572 01:19:55,959 --> 01:19:59,395 clean air and water protections. 1573 01:19:59,428 --> 01:20:02,866 Do you believe there is any safe level of lead-- 1574 01:20:02,899 --> 01:20:04,834 - Senator, that's something I've not reviewed 1575 01:20:04,868 --> 01:20:06,335 nor know about. 1576 01:20:06,369 --> 01:20:09,338 I've not looked at the scientific research on that. 1577 01:20:09,372 --> 01:20:12,942 In 2017, Scott Pruitt, the new head of the EPA 1578 01:20:12,976 --> 01:20:15,511 began dismantling his own agency. 1579 01:20:16,512 --> 01:20:21,017 - We are going to end the EPA intrusion into your lives. 1580 01:20:21,050 --> 01:20:23,987 He fired nearly everyone on the independent 1581 01:20:24,020 --> 01:20:26,289 scientific advisory board. 1582 01:20:26,322 --> 01:20:30,393 Then began removing scientific research from public view. 1583 01:20:30,426 --> 01:20:34,030 - This is a wholesale wiping out of historical record. 1584 01:20:34,063 --> 01:20:36,332 The science that's we've developed and the actions 1585 01:20:36,365 --> 01:20:38,301 we've taken and why we took them. 1586 01:20:38,334 --> 01:20:41,337 You can disagree with many of those actions. 1587 01:20:41,370 --> 01:20:45,108 But what you can't do is simply deny history. 1588 01:20:55,184 --> 01:20:56,285 It was the culmination of regulators 1589 01:20:56,319 --> 01:21:00,556 behaving unethically, of politicians leveraging science 1590 01:21:03,026 --> 01:21:07,530 for their own benefit, of the public losing trust 1591 01:21:07,563 --> 01:21:11,334 in a broken system, but science isn't broken, 1592 01:21:14,203 --> 01:21:17,907 which means the system can be rebuilt. 1593 01:21:17,941 --> 01:21:22,111 But until that happens, it's probably best you remember 1594 01:21:23,512 --> 01:21:27,516 that we're all downstream of something. 1595 01:21:34,057 --> 01:21:36,592 * Oh, oh, oh, oh 1596 01:21:38,061 --> 01:21:40,629 * Oh, oh, oh, oh 1597 01:21:41,564 --> 01:21:44,333 * Oh, oh, oh, oh 1598 01:21:59,215 --> 01:22:03,319 * Feel our flesh as we misbehave 1599 01:22:05,989 --> 01:22:09,458 * Drifting in the undertone 1600 01:22:10,994 --> 01:22:13,596 * Before you go 1601 01:22:13,629 --> 01:22:16,499 * It's safe now 1602 01:22:17,666 --> 01:22:21,537 * The water's just fine 1603 01:22:21,570 --> 01:22:25,608 * We close our eyes now 1604 01:22:25,641 --> 01:22:29,245 * I'm blind, and you are 1605 01:22:29,278 --> 01:22:31,114 - Sir are you gonna plead guilty? 1606 01:22:31,147 --> 01:22:33,549 * Oh, oh, oh 1607 01:22:33,582 --> 01:22:36,519 * Oh, oh, oh, oh 1608 01:22:37,486 --> 01:22:41,124 * Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh 1609 01:22:56,405 --> 01:22:59,775 * Your body and breath will now keep me 1610 01:22:59,808 --> 01:23:03,512 * Breathing past midnight 1611 01:23:09,052 --> 01:23:11,720 - You've gotta stop politicizing either side 1612 01:23:11,754 --> 01:23:14,523 and get back to the science. 1613 01:23:18,761 --> 01:23:21,464 - That was all right. 1614 01:23:21,497 --> 01:23:24,233 * Oh, oh, oh, oh 1615 01:23:25,101 --> 01:23:27,336 - Each of these individuals attempted to bury 1616 01:23:27,370 --> 01:23:31,474 or cover up the Michigan Department of 1617 01:23:31,507 --> 01:23:35,678 and the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services. 1618 01:23:37,213 --> 01:23:39,415 * Oh, oh, oh 1619 01:23:40,649 --> 01:23:43,252 * Oh, oh, oh 1620 01:23:44,753 --> 01:23:47,556 * On the shore 1621 01:23:48,424 --> 01:23:51,294 * To you I call 1622 01:23:52,495 --> 01:23:55,464 * We cannot fall 1623 01:24:04,573 --> 01:24:10,446 * Hide 'til spring time 1624 01:24:16,319 --> 01:24:18,321 * Sing 128580

Can't find what you're looking for?
Get subtitles in any language from opensubtitles.com, and translate them here.