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Yes, sir.
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- Just pull down here.
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West Virginia
was in the midst
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of the largest drinking water
crisis in recent US history.
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National news had been
covering the chaos,
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but no one knew why
this had happened.
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- President Obama approved
a disaster declaration
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for West Virginia.
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Nine counties are dealing
with a chemical spill
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that contaminated
the water supply.
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- Roughly 300,000
people in West Virginia
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have been without tap water.
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The rush
for water was immediate.
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After that sold out, so
did juice, soft drinks,
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anything liquid, leaving
customers scrambling for ice.
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What
are you gonna do
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about showering or
cleaning or bathing?
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- Well, honey, you
gonna melt this down.
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That's what you gonna do.
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Like you did back
in them old days.
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Put 'em in a little tub.
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Put 'em in there, and
just take a, you know,
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like a birdbath.
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700 people
in the Charleston area
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have called poison
control centers.
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- The smell was so strong
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that we had to actually
cover our faces up.
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- I think there should be
a thorough investigation
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of what happened and why
this incident happened
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at Freedom Industries.
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- I'd say if they knew more
about the chemical itself,
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that's probably what's
got so many people
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scared to death now.
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Nobody knows that much about it.
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The water company people,
you'd think they coulda figured
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out what's safe, what's not
safe, before they fired them
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intakes up and polluted
every water line
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throughout the valley.
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Yeah, you're coming up on it.
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It's got a hole
rusted through it.
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See, they've got all this
containment boom in here.
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That's probably where it
was breaking outta the wall.
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You'd think these
people woulda cared more
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and do more visual inspections
to prevent something
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like this from ever happening.
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They knew the water company
was just down the road.
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It'll probably take 'em months,
but they'll cut all them
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tanks up and haul it to scrap,
make one big field out of it.
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As long as it's settin' there,
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the people is gonna remember it.
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And that's the main thing.
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They want it all to go away.
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- We've had the daughter
to the hospital.
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She had a severe rash, and
her neck started to swell,
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and it doubled in size.
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Is this your first
trip to Charleston?
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- I haven't been to
Charleston before,
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but I used to come to West
Virginia when I was a kid.
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We had family here, my uncle.
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He passed away when I was 10.
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I haven't been back here since,
but I remember loving it.
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He taught me how to
shoot a bow and arrow,
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and played in streams.
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It was kind of a novelty,
being from California.
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We don't get a lot of water.
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I still can't believe
you guys lived so close
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to Freedom Industries.
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You mind if we go up there?
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- Sure, we can go, if you like.
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Oh, there you
go, there's the smell.
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- Yeah, you smell
that now, do ya?
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Whoa.
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- This is a detergent for coal.
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The chemical that leaked out.
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But you know, this is really
just a drop in the bucket
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because we live in
chemical valley.
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You know, have you
heard that term yet?
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Oh shit, I totally forgot.
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It seemed that within
the chemical valley,
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Freedom Industries was a
relatively small company.
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Their primary
business was buying,
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selling, and mixing chemicals.
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They hadn't talked
to any reporters
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since their last
press conference the
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- Our intent is to be totally--
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Stay in
front of the microphone.
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- Oh, okay.
- Look at us.
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- Okay.
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Are there
no systems in place
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to alert you of a leak at your
facility other than a smell?
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- At this moment in time,
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I think that's all we have
time for, so thanks for coming.
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Thanks for your time.
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- Woah, woah, woah.
- We have more questions.
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Hey, hey, hey.
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It was a PR disaster,
and it had a pronounced
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effect on the people
I spoke to in town.
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So, if this was a
whodunit mystery--
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- There's no whodunit.
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Freedom Industries did it.
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They are the sole culprit.
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So if this
happens again in the future,
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we would say that that other
company was the sole culprit?
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- Most certainly.
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Who are you gonna blame?
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- It's just unconscionable
that Freedom Industry could not
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have known about the leak,
did not report the leak,
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and did not know how much
the leak had happened.
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It's unconscionable to me.
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My outrage and everybody
else's outrage should be that.
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The water
company and state officials
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waited more than six hours
before informing the public.
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But ultimately, they
had little choice.
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The smell demanded
an explanation.
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Regarding
the Freedom Industry site,
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we will not be
making any comments.
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Nor will it be permitting
access to the site.
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It didn't
require an engineer to see
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that the tanks and walls
were falling apart.
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But why was an
industrial facility
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even allowed to get this bad?
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Was the story of Freedom
Industries just a distraction?
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- We have enough
regulations on the books,
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and what the administration
oughta be doing
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is actually doing their jobs.
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Why wasn't this plant
inspected since 1991?
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I am entirely confident that
there are ample regulations
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already on the books
to protect the health
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and safety of the
American people.
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Somebody ought to be
held accountable here.
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- Well, a lot has
been made over,
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well, DEP, you haven't
been to the site since '92
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or maybe you've only been
two times in the 2000s.
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And right, wrong, or
indifferent, simply visiting
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those sites would not have
prevented this problem.
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The DEP, or
Department of Environmental
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Protection, regulates all of
the industry in the state.
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They're essentially the
environmental policemen.
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Randy Huffman, he's
in charge of it,
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and he plays a major
role in this story.
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Let's say, in the
instance of Freedom,
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you had gone and
inspected the tanks.
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What would that have revealed?
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- We would've probably walked
the site, looked for the
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obvious, evidence of material
leaking from the tanks,
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visible holes in the
secondary containment.
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But there
were visible holes.
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- I, I, I,
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it's unfortunate, you
know, assigning, trying,
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the blame is on Freedom.
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The blame is on the
company for having tanks
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that were not up to
any kind of standard.
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I mean, I'm reluctant
to say this on camera.
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I joked to somebody
about this the other day.
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It takes cigarettes 30
or 40 years to kill ya.
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I can't imagine that, you
know, a couple days of MCHM,
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well, but, that's not even,
I just say that in jest
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because it's not
fair for me to say.
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I'm not a health professional.
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- Hey, this is Dr. Gupta
from the Health Department.
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So, there is very
limited information
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on this chemical to begin with.
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We're seeing people
are suffering on the
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I don't have a lot to
offer them right now.
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They have faith in me,
and that's the reason
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they are calling me.
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You sent me an email
about somebody calling
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about their 97-year-old
grandmother?
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Dr. Gupta runs
the local health department.
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He also turns out
to be the other
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major player in this story.
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For some reason, he
was the only official
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who seemed concerned
that this chemical
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might have negative
health effects.
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- I'm not keeping any
registry at this point,
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and the reason for that is that
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we're not getting a lot of
support from a lot of people.
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Resistance from
people who don't want
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to know what's going on.
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Obviously, the folks at
state and federal level
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are so strongly convinced
that there are going
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to be no long term
impacts of this.
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I have not yet
found the evidence
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on which they've based their,
such strong convictions upon.
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Spell your name
for me and your correct title.
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- Laura Jordan,
L-A-U-R-A J-O-R-D-A-N.
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External Affairs Manager for
West Virginia American Water.
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Is the water safe?
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- Yes.
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The water is safe to drink.
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- I want to issue a
challenge to all the experts
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and officials that
are testing our water
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and tellin' us it's safe.
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Whatever they're tellin'
us to do with the water,
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you do it first, and
I'll be happy to follow.
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- It still smells like licorice.
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I just poured this this
morning straight from the tap.
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Even though the
water still had an odor,
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officials were saying it was
saying it was safe for use.
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- I want help for my daughter
that's sick from this.
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This was
thanks to a determination
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that had been made by the CDC
or Centers for Disease Control
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who said that one part of
MCHM per one millions parts
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of water or one PPM
was okay to drink.
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This is the equivalent of
squeezing one drop of MCHM
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into a 10 gallon fish tank.
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But here's what's strange.
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Only a few days later,
they issued a statement
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advising pregnant women
to find an alternate
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drinking water source due to a
limited availability of data.
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- I'm not saying
the water's safe.
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They're saying the water's safe.
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The water company's
saying the water is safe.
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The CDC is saying
the water is safe.
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When people shower or
use the water other ways,
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they're having self-reported
associations with rashes,
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eye irritations, asthma attacks.
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We should be more
forthright and say,
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we cannot tell you if this is
not related to the chemical,
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but we're sure gonna find out.
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With its
15 million customers,
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American Water is the
biggest private water company
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in the United States.
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And their Charleston operation
services the largest area
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on the East Coast, more
than 2,500 square miles.
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And water here is some of the
most expensive in the country.
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But looking around, neither
of these facts made any sense
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because water was everywhere.
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Why were people paying
so much money to pump
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water halfway across the
state from a single source?
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Get out of that water.
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I ain't tellin' you no more.
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- I've been drinkin' it since
they lifted the do not use,
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but nobody else in
the household will.
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We're supposed to trust
these people to provide us
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with clean, safe drinking water.
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Then we got a creek right
here that just had 108
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gallons of slurry go down it.
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I'm all for coal.
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I'm 100% for coal,
100% against Obama.
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I guess in a lot of ways
I'm just fed up with things
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happenin' around here, but I
can't go nowhere 'cause I don't
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know how to do anything
other than mine coal.
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- You used to never
have a problem.
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Then they put mines up here,
mines up here and stuff,
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and all that sludge
and whatever they use.
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- Slurry.
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- Even into the
aquifer it's dripping,
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and then for years they
said, oh it smells funny.
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But it's okay to drink it.
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Half the people in this
trailer park died from cancer.
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That's why they changed
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all these
- And the well ain't no good.
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to city water.
- To city water and the next
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thing you know,
well, we're gettin'
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contaminated freakin' water.
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- Even your clothes
will look like that.
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- This is what come
out of the spigot.
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- I guess the water started
back with the coal mines,
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which was about a mile
down the road here,
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which my grandfather worked in.
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And my dad worked in
it, and I worked in it.
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The mines has done good
up until just recently.
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You start lookin' back
at some of the things
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that's happenin' to
you or to other people,
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and the sickness
that's goin' on.
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When I wake up in the morning,
I think if I'm still living
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I think it's a great day.
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Besides coal,
the other big industry here
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is chemical, and it was
still unclear if the industry
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at large had played a
role in this crisis.
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Chemical alley is about
a 25 mile stretch of the
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Kanawha River that
has tons of chemical
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manufacturing facilities on it.
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For your all's knowledge, people
see cameras, and they think
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they kind of like, job security.
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So some people are friendly
and welcoming of it,
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but a lot of people aren't
because it gets bad publicity.
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The plant's gonna shut
down, and they're not
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gonna be able to
feed their kids.
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That's where the
coal-fired power plant is
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that they have
for that facility.
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This is where they dump
all the toxic stuff,
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and actually for a long
time they didn't know
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what Union Carbide dumped.
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And I know this
because I worked there.
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When I was 16-years-old,
there was an explosion
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at the Methomyl-Larvin
unit in Institute.
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I tried to like tape up the
windows and doors of my house
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like they told us to do in
school, and by that time
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I was already exposed,
so that incident
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kind of just changed my life.
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Okay.
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We are
learning new information
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about the second substance
found in the West Virginia
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chemical spill,
the chemical PPH.
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- I know that many of you
here would like an update
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on the new material that
was found yesterday.
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Part of my team here from DEP.
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- Governor, thank you for--
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- On the day of the spill,
when we asked the question,
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what's in the tank, the
question that we asked
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should have revealed
this as well.
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By this, Randy means
that what actually spilled
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was a mixture of
chemicals, and 5.6% of it
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was this other
chemical called PPH.
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Imagine that this
beverage is what spilled,
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and they didn't find
the lemon juice.
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Both state and federal
regulators were doing testing.
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How had this gone undetected?
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- Mike might be able to
answer the test results.
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- I just haven't seen the
most recent test results.
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So did
Freedom Industries
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have any records about PPH?
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- Well, they had their in
document that what they were
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shipping in and shipping
out, but it was pretty rough.
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They also had three
tanks of this material,
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and they were shipping
in between tanks.
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Why did the DEP
allow them to operate like this?
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So is your background
in environmental science
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or anything like that?
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- I came out of college with
a mining engineering degree.
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There were no jobs in the
mining industry at the time.
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This was the mid '80s.
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I came to work for what was
the Department of Energy
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at the time in state
government as a last resort.
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We could regulate CO2 out of
existence in this country,
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and it's not going to have any
measurable impact globally.
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Looking through
the archives, Randy Huffman,
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he had the kind of report card
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that you hide from your parents.
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Loosening regulations, turning
a blind eye to thousands
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of miles of dirty streams,
granting pollution waivers.
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The DEP had even gone so
far as to sue their federal
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counterpart, the Environmental
Protection Agency when the
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federal agency tried to
enforce the clean water act.
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"This is 100% victory.
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"We won," said Randy Huffman.
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For a while, it was
reported that the DEP simply
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didn't review the waster
water pollution reports
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of companies around the state.
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These added up to
over 25,000 violations
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of the Clean Water Act.
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"For whatever reason, we
weren't getting it done,"
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Huffman said, "It was
a glitch, and they got
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"off track with it."
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25,000.
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- I believe in the
production of coal,
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it's value to our country,
and I will continue
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to do everything that
I can to fight the EPA
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and its misguided attempts
to cripple this industry.
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After
reviewing some of the past
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State of the State addresses
given by the governor,
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it seems that fighting
environmental regulation,
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well, that was something
that brought Democrats
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and Republicans together.
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And this is how the
states Democratic
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US Senator won his seat.
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- I'm Joe Manchin.
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I sued EPA, and I'll take dead
aim at the Cap and Trade Bill
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because it's bad
for West Virginia.
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00:20:03,870 --> 00:20:05,872
It seemed that
the EPA's proposed emissions
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program was also bad
for his coal business,
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a business that had
earned him millions.
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Now, at that time, he
was the state's governor,
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00:20:14,514 --> 00:20:17,417
and here's what Joe
Manchin did right
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at the beginning of his term.
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- The first official new sign
of West Virginia's progress
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started going up
today, which shows
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00:20:25,825 --> 00:20:28,528
the true beauty
of West Virginia.
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It's a little
hard to read, but he actually
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00:20:31,531 --> 00:20:36,369
changed the slogan of the
state to Open for Business.
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So I asked a retired
employee from the DEP
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if this translated into
weaker enforcement.
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00:20:42,008 --> 00:20:45,512
- Yes, Joe Manchin, in
my opinion, did initiate
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00:20:45,545 --> 00:20:49,449
a more lax environmental
enforcement atmosphere
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00:20:51,584 --> 00:20:55,988
while he was in office and
even it seems even until today.
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00:20:56,022 --> 00:20:59,659
Joe Manchin had
appointed Randy Huffman
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nearly 10 years ago, and it
seemed he was still doing
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00:21:02,795 --> 00:21:06,433
the exact job that
he'd been hired to do.
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00:21:07,834 --> 00:21:10,002
- They tell us all it's the flu.
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It's not the water at all.
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It's somethin' else, and
they send us home like this.
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And then you know, we go
home and sit there and cry.
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00:21:16,376 --> 00:21:18,645
And it's wrong how
they're doin' us.
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- It's not the hospital's
job to make sure they ask
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00:21:21,013 --> 00:21:23,383
questions every time
somebody comes with a rash.
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00:21:23,416 --> 00:21:24,384
They're too busy for that.
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Their job's not surveillance.
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00:21:25,585 --> 00:21:29,822
We need a program that will
actually encourage people
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to come in, describe
their symptoms.
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00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,628
That needs to be followed
over several years.
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00:21:35,662 --> 00:21:38,665
That's the way you
prove connections,
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the chemical and other things.
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Two weeks ago.
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00:21:44,904 --> 00:21:46,973
It should have been done.
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- You know, I'm not
interested in writing tickets
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or assessing fines.
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00:21:51,644 --> 00:21:53,680
I don't need to collect money
from people just because.
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Give the benefit of the
doubt to organizations,
401
00:21:57,083 --> 00:21:59,652
and assume people aren't
out there trying to break
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00:21:59,686 --> 00:22:02,455
the law, but they
would like to comply.
403
00:22:02,489 --> 00:22:04,757
And give 'em a shot at it.
404
00:22:04,791 --> 00:22:07,627
- Do you though, that
like that ideology lets
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00:22:07,660 --> 00:22:11,598
companies like Freedom
through the cracks?
406
00:22:11,631 --> 00:22:12,765
- No, I don't.
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00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:13,866
- Maybe you can correct this.
408
00:22:13,900 --> 00:22:17,704
In the five years before
2008, something like 25,000
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00:22:17,737 --> 00:22:19,872
violations of the Clean
Water Act occurred,
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00:22:19,906 --> 00:22:22,141
but you know, fines
were never issued.
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00:22:22,174 --> 00:22:25,378
- Ah, yeah, 35,000
is not that many.
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So I'll say that.
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This is a whole lot more
complicated than something
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00:22:32,652 --> 00:22:35,922
that you can just put in a sound
bite and say, here's 35,000
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00:22:35,955 --> 00:22:39,859
violations for which
there never was a penalty.
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Nearly three
weeks had gone by,
417
00:22:52,204 --> 00:22:56,809
and yet for some reason,
the water still had a smell.
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00:22:56,843 --> 00:22:58,745
So people didn't trust it.
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00:22:58,778 --> 00:23:01,514
And they also didn't trust
the state or federal officials
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00:23:01,548 --> 00:23:04,884
who were saying that the
water was safe to drink.
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00:23:04,917 --> 00:23:05,885
- It's three weeks.
422
00:23:05,918 --> 00:23:07,019
We haven't been told anything.
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00:23:07,053 --> 00:23:09,422
- You're trying to force
feed us underneath the table.
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00:23:10,857 --> 00:23:13,560
- Purging is not working.
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00:23:13,593 --> 00:23:16,429
American Water
didn't even bother to show up.
426
00:23:16,463 --> 00:23:20,099
There was only one official
there to take all of the heat.
427
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,703
How often do you do it?
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Do you do it every month,
every year, once a week.
429
00:23:27,173 --> 00:23:28,240
It was hard
to tell if Randy Huffman
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00:23:28,274 --> 00:23:31,578
was playing dumb or he
really didn't know anything.
431
00:23:31,611 --> 00:23:33,480
- I'm not aware of any
full spectrum testing
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00:23:33,513 --> 00:23:34,947
that's been done.
433
00:23:34,981 --> 00:23:36,616
I wouldn't make any
judgments on that at all.
434
00:23:36,649 --> 00:23:37,850
No evidence that we've seen.
435
00:23:37,884 --> 00:23:38,918
I'm just not aware of 'em.
436
00:23:38,951 --> 00:23:41,621
I'm sure it'll reveal
something we didn't know.
437
00:23:41,654 --> 00:23:43,790
I apologize, but I'm not
familiar with the protocols
438
00:23:43,823 --> 00:23:48,160
at all that the water company
used to do their sampling.
439
00:23:48,194 --> 00:23:49,629
I have a question.
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00:23:49,662 --> 00:23:51,197
- Freedom's been ordered
to remove the tanks.
441
00:23:51,230 --> 00:23:54,200
No, there will not be another
tank farm on that site.
442
00:23:54,233 --> 00:23:57,737
Nobody else is gonna
be there.
443
00:23:57,770 --> 00:23:59,672
- We need to understand
the basics of this.
444
00:23:59,706 --> 00:24:01,841
We are the first human
beings this chemical
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00:24:01,874 --> 00:24:03,910
has ever been experimented on.
446
00:24:03,943 --> 00:24:06,713
It's tested on rats and some
of the other lab animals.
447
00:24:06,746 --> 00:24:09,882
I vehemently disagree
with any official anywhere
448
00:24:09,916 --> 00:24:12,652
who's saying well, this is
flu, or this is something else
449
00:24:12,685 --> 00:24:16,523
'cause it's not.
450
00:24:16,556 --> 00:24:17,890
- Don't let anyone
around you convince you
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00:24:17,924 --> 00:24:20,192
that you don't see and
you aren't experiencing
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00:24:20,226 --> 00:24:22,261
what you're experiencing.
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00:24:22,294 --> 00:24:26,633
Dr. Gupta has really stepped
up, and I have yet in 22 years
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00:24:26,666 --> 00:24:30,837
of work seen a health official
do that, so thank you.
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00:24:32,171 --> 00:24:33,706
- We're working closely
with the legislature
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00:24:33,740 --> 00:24:35,675
on some specific rules.
457
00:24:36,909 --> 00:24:38,144
- Here's the thing.
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00:24:38,177 --> 00:24:41,881
Regulation without
enforcement is pointless.
459
00:24:45,852 --> 00:24:46,719
- It was brutal.
460
00:24:46,753 --> 00:24:49,989
It might have been
the worst experience
461
00:24:51,691 --> 00:24:53,593
that I've had in this job.
462
00:24:53,626 --> 00:24:55,662
The police escorted me to
my truck 'cause they were
463
00:24:55,695 --> 00:24:58,631
concerned
for my safety.
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00:24:58,665 --> 00:25:00,132
I wasn't, but they were.
465
00:25:00,166 --> 00:25:02,068
I think they just
wanted somethin' to do.
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00:25:02,101 --> 00:25:04,704
While Randy and
his agency may be responsible
467
00:25:04,737 --> 00:25:07,006
for a lot of problems
in the state,
468
00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:09,909
as it turns out, the
inspection of above ground
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00:25:09,942 --> 00:25:12,712
storage tanks
wasn't one of them.
470
00:25:12,745 --> 00:25:15,314
- I could send inspectors
to that site every day.
471
00:25:15,347 --> 00:25:17,283
I'm not gonna know that
that hole is gettin' ready
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00:25:17,316 --> 00:25:20,720
to rust the rest of the way
through and leak the material.
473
00:25:20,753 --> 00:25:22,822
What we need to
prevent this problem
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00:25:22,855 --> 00:25:24,791
is something that we don't have.
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00:25:24,824 --> 00:25:27,960
Some kind of policy
decision by Congress
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00:25:27,994 --> 00:25:31,631
or by our state legislatures
at some point was made.
477
00:25:31,664 --> 00:25:32,632
One
thing was for sure.
478
00:25:32,665 --> 00:25:35,034
The politicians didn't
want any of this blame
479
00:25:35,067 --> 00:25:36,803
coming back to them.
480
00:25:36,836 --> 00:25:39,171
I've heard there's a lot
of political corruption
481
00:25:39,205 --> 00:25:41,741
and that lobbyists wield
a lot of influence here.
482
00:25:41,774 --> 00:25:44,110
- That would be more so
in Washington than here.
483
00:25:44,143 --> 00:25:46,779
The idea of regulation
as in ensuring the safety
484
00:25:46,813 --> 00:25:50,883
of storage tanks, we always
assumed that that was in place.
485
00:25:50,917 --> 00:25:53,052
That's the type of
regulation everyone wants.
486
00:25:53,085 --> 00:25:55,254
But when it
came to making this law,
487
00:25:55,287 --> 00:25:58,658
Chris also had a little
extra motivation.
488
00:25:58,691 --> 00:26:00,727
- I mean, I've been
drinking all day.
489
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,862
I had just gotten out of the
shower right before our date.
490
00:26:02,895 --> 00:26:05,732
I thought about the baby
and what was gonna happen.
491
00:26:05,765 --> 00:26:09,769
He used to take 45
minute showers.
492
00:26:09,802 --> 00:26:11,303
I used to
get clean.
493
00:26:11,337 --> 00:26:13,940
- I don't feel comfortable
with my biggest organ
494
00:26:13,973 --> 00:26:17,143
being exposed to somethin'
that they know nothing about.
495
00:26:17,176 --> 00:26:21,347
I don't feel comfortable with
my daughter's or my husband's.
496
00:26:23,415 --> 00:26:25,618
Across the
state, there was a contest
497
00:26:25,652 --> 00:26:28,254
to determine the best
drinking water in the world.
498
00:26:28,287 --> 00:26:31,190
I wanted to see how this
water that had been declared
499
00:26:31,223 --> 00:26:35,261
safe for use stacked up
against the competition.
500
00:26:37,730 --> 00:26:38,698
- You tell me.
501
00:26:38,731 --> 00:26:40,867
- It's really incredible.
502
00:26:40,900 --> 00:26:44,136
I mean, it's like a
big bottle of licorice.
503
00:26:44,170 --> 00:26:46,973
On odor I would score
it as low as I could.
504
00:26:47,006 --> 00:26:51,177
The people who test this say
it's acceptable to drink?
505
00:26:51,210 --> 00:26:52,912
Is that right?
- That's what they say.
506
00:26:52,945 --> 00:26:57,116
- Let me smell it again
because that's atrocious.
507
00:26:57,149 --> 00:26:57,984
Oh.
508
00:26:59,185 --> 00:27:01,854
- I would love to give you
our Beverly Hills 90H20 water,
509
00:27:01,888 --> 00:27:04,390
the first sommelier
crafted water in the world.
510
00:27:05,758 --> 00:27:06,726
- Yes.
511
00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:07,927
- I tried to get
it entered here,
512
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,195
but they wouldn't accept it.
513
00:27:09,228 --> 00:27:10,763
- Too bad.
514
00:27:10,797 --> 00:27:12,965
The first, oh, my
grandmother always said,
515
00:27:12,999 --> 00:27:16,903
and she survived two world
wars, when water has an odor,
516
00:27:16,936 --> 00:27:18,838
don't drink it.
517
00:27:18,871 --> 00:27:20,339
This has.
518
00:27:20,372 --> 00:27:23,275
- I will tell you this is the
best trade I've ever made.
519
00:27:23,309 --> 00:27:24,844
- Yeah, I think so,
too, yeah.
520
00:27:24,877 --> 00:27:25,912
I think so, too.
521
00:27:25,945 --> 00:27:29,081
And I will trade this
with a trash can.
522
00:27:31,951 --> 00:27:33,185
Everyone's upset
about their water bill.
523
00:27:33,219 --> 00:27:34,186
You know that, right?
524
00:27:34,220 --> 00:27:35,121
I know they are.
525
00:27:35,154 --> 00:27:35,955
Can you at
least give us a break?
526
00:27:35,988 --> 00:27:38,357
- You can smell
MCHM in water below
527
00:27:38,390 --> 00:27:40,993
the protective health limit.
528
00:27:41,027 --> 00:27:42,394
As a water company--
529
00:27:43,429 --> 00:27:44,463
- I'm sleepin' great.
530
00:27:44,496 --> 00:27:47,099
- Give the people in this
valley some confidence.
531
00:27:47,133 --> 00:27:49,101
- We have to follow
what's given to us
532
00:27:49,135 --> 00:27:51,037
as health-based guidance.
533
00:27:51,070 --> 00:27:54,106
It is a fear-based issue
because people can smell it.
534
00:27:54,140 --> 00:27:56,008
- I'm understanding that
not one of you up here
535
00:27:56,042 --> 00:27:58,477
are willing to say
unequivocally, it's safe,
536
00:27:58,510 --> 00:28:00,379
and I would assume
that you would have
537
00:28:00,412 --> 00:28:04,083
to have zero parts per
billion, trillion, no nothing.
538
00:28:04,116 --> 00:28:06,819
- We monitor for 100
contaminants at various times
539
00:28:06,853 --> 00:28:09,455
throughout the year, and
if anyone thinks that every
540
00:28:09,488 --> 00:28:12,258
water treatment system
has absolutely zero of all
541
00:28:12,291 --> 00:28:15,762
of these chemicals or
compounds, they're mistaken.
542
00:28:15,795 --> 00:28:17,797
There are limits set.
543
00:28:21,533 --> 00:28:24,503
- Water utilities simply
don't have the information
544
00:28:24,536 --> 00:28:27,740
on how to remove 50,000
chemicals in the water.
545
00:28:27,774 --> 00:28:28,674
- Right.
546
00:28:28,707 --> 00:28:30,409
- So the Environmental
Protection Action
547
00:28:30,442 --> 00:28:31,277
sets those standards.
548
00:28:31,310 --> 00:28:33,245
There's little
information available.
549
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:36,248
That's just surprising to me,
which is why we got involved.
550
00:28:36,282 --> 00:28:39,752
I'm not here to convince
you the water is safe.
551
00:28:39,786 --> 00:28:41,387
I'm here to figure out if it is.
552
00:28:41,420 --> 00:28:43,355
Dr. Andy
Whelton had just arrived
553
00:28:43,389 --> 00:28:45,124
with a team of students.
554
00:28:45,157 --> 00:28:47,493
He's an independent scientist
and a water protection
555
00:28:47,526 --> 00:28:50,763
strategist who used to
work in the military.
556
00:28:50,797 --> 00:28:52,832
- There's simply not a
lot of data associated
557
00:28:52,865 --> 00:28:57,136
with what chemicals are in
waterways and water sources.
558
00:28:57,169 --> 00:29:00,773
In fact, the EPA
only requires water companies
559
00:29:00,807 --> 00:29:04,510
to test for 76 chemicals,
and since MCHM wasn't
560
00:29:05,411 --> 00:29:09,548
on this list, it was legal
for it to be in the water.
561
00:29:09,581 --> 00:29:13,319
But MCHM has an
extremely rare quality.
562
00:29:13,352 --> 00:29:16,856
You can smell it in
parts per billion.
563
00:29:16,889 --> 00:29:18,858
It's like putting
one drop of MCHM
564
00:29:18,891 --> 00:29:22,161
into a 10,000 gallon fish tank.
565
00:29:22,194 --> 00:29:24,430
- In the drinking water
industry, we're looking
566
00:29:24,463 --> 00:29:26,866
for that one device that
can tell us everything.
567
00:29:26,899 --> 00:29:29,535
Because it doesn't
exist, we have to rely
568
00:29:29,568 --> 00:29:32,071
on multiple devices to
tell us a little bit
569
00:29:32,104 --> 00:29:35,274
of information about the
water that we're looking at.
570
00:29:35,307 --> 00:29:37,309
But aren't
there more than 80,000
571
00:29:37,343 --> 00:29:38,945
chemicals used in commerce?
572
00:29:38,978 --> 00:29:40,179
- Right, and because they--
573
00:29:40,212 --> 00:29:42,348
So you're saying
there's no way to test for them?
574
00:29:42,381 --> 00:29:45,351
- There is no tri-quarter
to determine which of the
575
00:29:45,384 --> 00:29:47,219
80,000 chemicals is present.
576
00:29:47,253 --> 00:29:49,555
Because there was an
odor, that was exactly
577
00:29:49,588 --> 00:29:51,490
how it was detected.
578
00:29:51,523 --> 00:29:55,161
So imagine, without
the smell, the chemical
579
00:29:55,194 --> 00:29:57,429
would have gone unnoticed.
580
00:29:57,463 --> 00:30:00,967
People would have drank
MCHM without knowing.
581
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,836
Just insist on
leaving your complaint
582
00:30:03,870 --> 00:30:05,938
and your intent not to pay.
583
00:30:05,972 --> 00:30:07,874
The CDC would
never have had to determine
584
00:30:07,907 --> 00:30:11,510
that one part per
million was safe.
585
00:30:11,543 --> 00:30:13,479
- A lot of things just
didn't make sense.
586
00:30:13,512 --> 00:30:17,249
How did the CDC come up
with the screening levels?
587
00:30:17,283 --> 00:30:19,251
We all
have the same question.
588
00:30:19,285 --> 00:30:21,353
Is my water really safe?
589
00:30:21,387 --> 00:30:25,557
I value and trust the opinions
of the CDC and the EPA.
590
00:30:26,425 --> 00:30:29,395
- Thank you very much, Governor.
591
00:30:29,428 --> 00:30:30,863
Is your water safe?
592
00:30:30,897 --> 00:30:34,901
What I can say is that
you can use your water
593
00:30:34,934 --> 00:30:36,602
however you like.
594
00:30:36,635 --> 00:30:39,538
- We had expected them to come
in, and ease people's fears.
595
00:30:39,571 --> 00:30:41,908
Instead, they just threw a
little gasoline on the fire.
596
00:30:41,941 --> 00:30:46,245
- There are no studies on
humans for this substance.
597
00:30:46,278 --> 00:30:47,579
- After the water use
ban has been lifted,
598
00:30:47,613 --> 00:30:49,581
if we're still smelling the
water in the way we are,
599
00:30:49,615 --> 00:30:52,384
there is some amount
of chemical somewhere.
600
00:30:52,418 --> 00:30:54,053
- The CDC has set
a screening level.
601
00:30:54,086 --> 00:30:57,123
Doesn't mean there is
potentially zero in there.
602
00:30:57,156 --> 00:30:58,524
- You know, they gave us
a one part per million.
603
00:30:58,557 --> 00:30:59,926
Then they came to
town and wouldn't say
604
00:30:59,959 --> 00:31:01,560
that it was safe to drink.
605
00:31:01,593 --> 00:31:04,997
The Centers for Disease
Control everybody relies on.
606
00:31:05,031 --> 00:31:09,001
And at that point, everybody
was sort of dumbfounded.
607
00:31:09,035 --> 00:31:11,070
So for some
reason the most important
608
00:31:11,103 --> 00:31:14,240
health agency in the entire
world was no longer willing
609
00:31:14,273 --> 00:31:16,108
to use the word, safe.
610
00:31:16,142 --> 00:31:19,011
- In refusing to declare the
water safe, I think we're
611
00:31:19,045 --> 00:31:21,413
setting ourselves up in
the future for something
612
00:31:21,447 --> 00:31:23,983
that we may not be proud of.
613
00:31:29,555 --> 00:31:31,457
- This is an
independent project.
614
00:31:31,490 --> 00:31:33,592
We're pleased to have you,
and we appreciate your help.
615
00:31:33,625 --> 00:31:35,261
Dr. Whelton.
616
00:31:35,294 --> 00:31:39,231
- As far as the testing
phase, we go out tomorrow.
617
00:31:39,265 --> 00:31:42,034
Dr. Whelton went
from working on his own dime
618
00:31:42,068 --> 00:31:44,937
to working for the governor.
619
00:31:44,971 --> 00:31:48,975
It was now his job to do
what the CDC could not.
620
00:31:59,318 --> 00:32:02,654
Eastman Chemical, they
make about nine billion
621
00:32:02,688 --> 00:32:04,656
dollars every year.
622
00:32:04,690 --> 00:32:07,526
They're the original
creator of MCHM,
623
00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:11,597
which means they're required
to create a Safety Data Sheet.
624
00:32:11,630 --> 00:32:13,732
Tells you all these
symptoms it affects.
625
00:32:13,765 --> 00:32:15,534
It's the only information
that's available
626
00:32:15,567 --> 00:32:18,304
to the public and to
emergency responders.
627
00:32:18,337 --> 00:32:20,706
- The people in my world,
that's what we rely on.
628
00:32:20,739 --> 00:32:22,441
We go out on a truck
wreck or something,
629
00:32:22,474 --> 00:32:25,411
and there's a tank leaking,
we gotta look at a data sheet.
630
00:32:25,444 --> 00:32:26,545
That's all we have.
631
00:32:26,578 --> 00:32:29,381
But if you look
at a data sheet for MCHM,
632
00:32:29,415 --> 00:32:32,985
nearly every field
reads no data available
633
00:32:33,019 --> 00:32:36,588
including most important
symptoms and effects.
634
00:32:36,622 --> 00:32:40,592
However, there was one
useful piece of information,
635
00:32:40,626 --> 00:32:44,997
the average amount of MCHM
it takes to kill a rat.
636
00:32:46,165 --> 00:32:48,334
- Any time you talk about
what levels are safe
637
00:32:48,367 --> 00:32:52,004
for people to expose
to, that's a big deal.
638
00:32:52,038 --> 00:32:55,007
But how the
CDC determined what amount
639
00:32:55,041 --> 00:32:56,608
was acceptable is
kind of shocking.
640
00:32:58,577 --> 00:33:02,448
Without knowing if MCHM causes
cancer or reproductive harm
641
00:33:02,481 --> 00:33:04,716
the CDC decided
what amount was safe
642
00:33:04,750 --> 00:33:08,687
from this piece of information,
how much Eastman Chemical
643
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,057
says it takes to kill a rat.
644
00:33:12,591 --> 00:33:15,194
This would explain why the
CDC told pregnant women
645
00:33:15,227 --> 00:33:17,663
not to drink the water.
646
00:33:17,696 --> 00:33:21,667
It seemed that they didn't
know what the effects might be.
647
00:33:37,749 --> 00:33:40,186
- These are studies that
are done in secrecy.
648
00:33:40,219 --> 00:33:42,554
They're not available
to the public
649
00:33:42,588 --> 00:33:43,822
or the regulators to review.
650
00:33:43,855 --> 00:33:46,825
- Companies have had
trade secrets for as long
651
00:33:46,858 --> 00:33:50,596
as they've been in business
so that the competition
652
00:33:50,629 --> 00:33:53,799
wouldn't have access
to their information.
653
00:33:53,832 --> 00:33:54,766
But you
don't have to look far
654
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:55,867
to find an example.
655
00:33:55,901 --> 00:33:59,638
According to the Safety Data
Sheet of PPH, the second
656
00:33:59,671 --> 00:34:03,609
chemical on the spill, it's
identity was withheld as a trade
657
00:34:03,642 --> 00:34:07,079
secret, but this is
actually the norm.
658
00:34:07,113 --> 00:34:08,780
There's a government
accountability report
659
00:34:08,814 --> 00:34:12,684
that revealed 95% of
new chemicals contain
660
00:34:12,718 --> 00:34:16,522
some information
claimed as confidential.
661
00:34:16,555 --> 00:34:17,389
95%.
662
00:34:18,490 --> 00:34:23,362
But MCHM was no longer
confidential because Eastman
663
00:34:23,395 --> 00:34:26,232
Chemical had
released the studies.
664
00:34:27,266 --> 00:34:30,136
At least one thing stood out.
665
00:34:30,169 --> 00:34:32,738
There was a note from
a lead researcher.
666
00:34:32,771 --> 00:34:35,707
It said that their
first study of MCHM
667
00:34:35,741 --> 00:34:40,279
had bad rats, so the results
were of limited value.
668
00:34:40,312 --> 00:34:44,783
And the rats had exhibited
something called hematuria.
669
00:34:44,816 --> 00:34:48,154
It turns out the rats
were peeing blood.
670
00:34:49,421 --> 00:34:53,592
Was it normal to blame
undesirable results on the rats?
671
00:35:05,471 --> 00:35:07,306
What what do you mean?
672
00:35:12,844 --> 00:35:14,446
So you're a lawyer.
673
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:15,814
Who are you suing?
674
00:35:15,847 --> 00:35:16,848
- Everybody.
675
00:35:17,916 --> 00:35:20,552
The clinical finding
in the lab notes
676
00:35:20,586 --> 00:35:22,854
that was never put in any report
677
00:35:22,888 --> 00:35:26,158
was not that there
was just hematuria
678
00:35:27,226 --> 00:35:31,230
but that in some of the
rats, the blood was actually
679
00:35:31,263 --> 00:35:33,765
green that was in the urine.
680
00:35:33,799 --> 00:35:35,834
- Where was this study
because I didn't see it?
681
00:35:35,867 --> 00:35:38,770
- Well, you couldn't find
that by looking at the study.
682
00:35:38,804 --> 00:35:42,208
You'd have to sue Eastman
and get into the discovery
683
00:35:42,241 --> 00:35:45,344
process and then
get their lab notes.
684
00:35:52,784 --> 00:35:53,919
Are you
looking for a spot?
685
00:35:53,952 --> 00:35:55,321
- Yeah, let's go.
686
00:35:55,354 --> 00:35:57,489
Hold onto your everything here.
687
00:36:03,762 --> 00:36:04,963
Here you go.
688
00:36:04,996 --> 00:36:06,365
People joke with
me all the time.
689
00:36:06,398 --> 00:36:08,200
They know that I fish,
and they'll say, oh,
690
00:36:08,234 --> 00:36:11,303
you catch any three-eyed
fish out there?
691
00:36:11,337 --> 00:36:13,972
Oh, you catch some deformed
ones every once in a while,
692
00:36:14,005 --> 00:36:15,106
but fish are just like people.
693
00:36:15,140 --> 00:36:17,409
Any time I'm in
this area, there's always
694
00:36:17,443 --> 00:36:18,710
that like sweet smell.
695
00:36:18,744 --> 00:36:19,711
Can you smell it?
696
00:36:19,745 --> 00:36:20,512
- Yeah.
697
00:36:20,546 --> 00:36:23,249
I forget what they
make down there.
698
00:36:23,282 --> 00:36:24,583
But they're
permitted to dump a certain
699
00:36:24,616 --> 00:36:25,851
amount in here, right?
700
00:36:25,884 --> 00:36:26,652
That's how it works?
701
00:36:26,685 --> 00:36:28,220
- Yeah, they're
permitted to dump
702
00:36:28,254 --> 00:36:29,555
a certain amount
of certain things.
703
00:36:29,588 --> 00:36:31,523
You know, I don't know.
704
00:36:31,557 --> 00:36:34,760
No, they test their outfalls.
705
00:36:34,793 --> 00:36:37,763
They test what's in the
outfalls, and then they report
706
00:36:37,796 --> 00:36:39,965
that to us once a quarter.
707
00:36:42,468 --> 00:36:43,369
That's a good question.
708
00:36:43,402 --> 00:36:46,004
How do I know if they're
tellin' the truth?
709
00:36:46,037 --> 00:36:48,940
We've never, ever had
that kind of problem
710
00:36:48,974 --> 00:36:50,976
'cause they typically
will contract that out
711
00:36:51,009 --> 00:36:54,346
to a third party to come
in and do the sampling,
712
00:36:54,380 --> 00:36:56,715
and then prepare the report.
713
00:36:58,484 --> 00:37:00,819
We'll look at their reports.
714
00:37:02,821 --> 00:37:05,291
Later that night,
I went to the EPA's website
715
00:37:05,324 --> 00:37:07,593
to see how many
facilities his agency
716
00:37:07,626 --> 00:37:09,728
had actually inspected.
717
00:37:09,761 --> 00:37:14,400
Only 11, less than any other
state, but while I was here
718
00:37:14,433 --> 00:37:17,703
I saw something
that surprised me.
719
00:37:17,736 --> 00:37:21,540
There were huge numbers of
violations in every state.
720
00:37:21,573 --> 00:37:23,975
The national average for
facilities dumping more
721
00:37:24,009 --> 00:37:27,679
than they're
supposed to was 38%.
722
00:37:27,713 --> 00:37:30,982
West Virginia was actually
below the national average.
723
00:37:31,016 --> 00:37:35,521
The Clean Water Act
requires a fine of not less
724
00:37:35,554 --> 00:37:39,391
than 2,500 dollars or
more than 25,000 dollars
725
00:37:40,058 --> 00:37:44,463
per day of violation, so
how much are companies
726
00:37:44,496 --> 00:37:46,798
actually being fined in total?
727
00:37:47,933 --> 00:37:50,736
Here's the average total
fine in West Virginia.
728
00:37:50,769 --> 00:37:53,038
California was the highest.
729
00:37:53,071 --> 00:37:57,309
But in many states, the
fine wasn't even above
730
00:37:57,343 --> 00:38:01,580
the required daily
minimum of 2,500 dollars.
731
00:38:01,613 --> 00:38:05,884
In Illinois, the fine is
less than a parking ticket.
732
00:38:05,917 --> 00:38:08,520
It made sense why weak
enforcement might be happening
733
00:38:08,554 --> 00:38:11,089
in West Virginia, but
I couldn't understand
734
00:38:11,122 --> 00:38:15,594
why it seemed to be
happening everywhere else.
735
00:38:15,627 --> 00:38:18,597
- It's not a giant,
but it's fish.
736
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,935
It was the last day
of the legislative calendar,
737
00:38:23,969 --> 00:38:25,771
and they were holding
a vote on what was now
738
00:38:25,804 --> 00:38:28,740
colloquially known
as the tank bill.
739
00:38:28,774 --> 00:38:30,876
If it passed, it would
be the strongest piece
740
00:38:30,909 --> 00:38:33,745
of environmental legislation
the state had seen
741
00:38:33,779 --> 00:38:34,913
in a generation.
742
00:38:36,815 --> 00:38:38,484
- Environmental pollution's
really not a problem
743
00:38:38,517 --> 00:38:41,920
when it doesn't affect you,
but what happens if it does?
744
00:38:41,953 --> 00:38:43,889
- This sounds like
a real fiimby issue.
745
00:38:44,990 --> 00:38:47,092
it's in my back
yard.
746
00:38:47,125 --> 00:38:50,696
- Concerned citizens comin'
to the capitol to voice
747
00:38:50,729 --> 00:38:53,599
their opinion on the water
situation in Charleston.
748
00:38:53,632 --> 00:38:56,935
Well, I was told
I wasn't allowed to sit
749
00:38:56,968 --> 00:38:58,804
on the floor, so
I'm gonna sit up
750
00:38:58,837 --> 00:39:00,105
in the gallery with the people.
751
00:39:00,138 --> 00:39:03,509
- 59 days since our
water was poisoned.
752
00:39:03,542 --> 00:39:06,912
This is the exclamation
point on the end
753
00:39:06,945 --> 00:39:11,583
of our success in dealing with
the water crisis this year.
754
00:39:11,617 --> 00:39:12,851
- The question now is
on passage of the bill.
755
00:39:12,884 --> 00:39:13,919
All those in favor
will vote green.
756
00:39:13,952 --> 00:39:15,120
All those opposed will vote red.
757
00:39:15,153 --> 00:39:16,121
Prepare the machine.
758
00:39:25,431 --> 00:39:26,832
Near the
stroke of midnight,
759
00:39:26,865 --> 00:39:29,568
the tank bill
passed unanimously.
760
00:39:31,069 --> 00:39:34,773
Incredibly, West Virginia had
just become the first state
761
00:39:34,806 --> 00:39:37,142
to enact this type of a law.
762
00:39:39,044 --> 00:39:40,045
It was
down to the wire,
763
00:39:40,078 --> 00:39:41,947
but the process isn't done.
764
00:39:41,980 --> 00:39:44,015
It is for this
legislative session,
765
00:39:44,049 --> 00:39:45,684
but there's next year as well.
766
00:39:45,717 --> 00:39:47,819
- It now goes from
words to actual work
767
00:39:47,853 --> 00:39:50,889
that my department has to do.
768
00:39:50,922 --> 00:39:52,157
So there are a lot
of tanks out there,
769
00:39:52,190 --> 00:39:56,528
and there's a lot of stuff in
this bill that has to be done.
770
00:39:57,228 --> 00:39:58,430
No.
771
00:40:05,070 --> 00:40:08,874
- Before I have
questions, but today,
772
00:40:08,907 --> 00:40:10,175
based on the evidence,
the information,
773
00:40:10,208 --> 00:40:12,177
the chemical levels
of people's homes,
774
00:40:12,210 --> 00:40:14,680
the water is safe to drink.
775
00:40:16,782 --> 00:40:18,884
The water
no longer had a smell,
776
00:40:18,917 --> 00:40:22,888
and Dr. Whelton made his
announcement to an empty room.
777
00:40:26,725 --> 00:40:29,995
It was fall of 20014, and the
DEP had finished inspecting
778
00:40:30,028 --> 00:40:32,498
storage tanks across the state.
779
00:40:32,531 --> 00:40:35,567
They found 1,100 were
in such bad shape,
780
00:40:35,601 --> 00:40:38,069
they had to be decommissioned.
781
00:40:38,103 --> 00:40:38,937
1,100.
782
00:40:40,806 --> 00:40:43,074
Was it this bad
around the country?
783
00:40:43,108 --> 00:40:45,143
Maybe unregulated
chemicals had been spilling
784
00:40:45,176 --> 00:40:48,947
with regularity, chemicals
that you couldn't smell,
785
00:40:48,980 --> 00:40:52,250
and if that's the case,
then Freedom Industries
786
00:40:52,283 --> 00:40:54,653
was just horribly unlucky.
787
00:40:56,988 --> 00:40:59,525
Four former Freedom
officers have been indicted
788
00:40:59,558 --> 00:41:01,192
by a federal grand jury.
789
00:41:01,226 --> 00:41:05,564
It's alleged the defendants
violated the Clean Water Act.
790
00:41:05,597 --> 00:41:07,899
According
to the FBI, Southern lied
791
00:41:07,933 --> 00:41:09,234
about his role with the company
792
00:41:09,267 --> 00:41:11,002
prior to being named president.
793
00:41:11,036 --> 00:41:13,705
He now faces 30 years in prison.
794
00:41:19,845 --> 00:41:20,912
- Dr. Gupta.
795
00:41:20,946 --> 00:41:21,880
Hey, how are ya?
796
00:41:21,913 --> 00:41:22,681
- It had been a full
year since the crisis.
797
00:41:22,714 --> 00:41:25,617
Congratulations
on your new role.
798
00:41:25,651 --> 00:41:26,552
- Thank you very much.
799
00:41:26,585 --> 00:41:28,153
- Dr. Gupta was now
in charge of health
800
00:41:28,186 --> 00:41:29,921
for the entire state.
801
00:41:29,955 --> 00:41:32,591
Now, does this mean you're
part of state government?
802
00:41:32,624 --> 00:41:35,093
yes.
803
00:41:35,126 --> 00:41:36,061
What's that like?
804
00:41:36,094 --> 00:41:40,566
Things seemed good,
almost better than good.
805
00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:43,635
That is until I sat him
down for his interview.
806
00:41:43,669 --> 00:41:44,736
Something was off.
807
00:41:44,770 --> 00:41:48,807
- Of course, we've had
since multiple developments,
808
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,242
positive developments, and
I think we've been able
809
00:41:51,276 --> 00:41:54,813
to strengthen a number of
things across in the state.
810
00:41:54,846 --> 00:41:58,116
We're working to further
strengthen over the next year
811
00:41:58,149 --> 00:42:01,687
or two many more things
that we have been even over
812
00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:05,891
and above, on top of prior
what we've done before.
813
00:42:07,759 --> 00:42:10,862
Perhaps he
couldn't speak freely
814
00:42:10,896 --> 00:42:14,866
because there was a government
handler in the room.
815
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:33,118
Right, right.
816
00:42:33,151 --> 00:42:35,120
You're not completely
under the control of--
817
00:42:35,153 --> 00:42:36,287
- There you go.
818
00:42:36,321 --> 00:42:37,222
- The powers that be.
819
00:42:37,255 --> 00:42:38,123
- There you go.
820
00:42:38,156 --> 00:42:39,157
- Andy, I'm sorry.
821
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:42,994
What exactly are you
trying to say about MCHM?
822
00:42:50,736 --> 00:42:52,871
Does that mean that
MCHM is twice as toxic
823
00:42:52,904 --> 00:42:55,006
as what Eastman reported?
824
00:43:12,090 --> 00:43:15,894
That throws the whole
system into question.
825
00:43:19,865 --> 00:43:22,267
If the science was this
wrong with one chemical,
826
00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:25,003
science that's
usually confidential,
827
00:43:25,036 --> 00:43:27,272
what were the odds that
companies were fabricating
828
00:43:27,305 --> 00:43:30,141
safety data on a
far larger scale?
829
00:43:31,142 --> 00:43:34,345
And how are they
getting away with it?
830
00:43:34,379 --> 00:43:37,949
- The water doesn't smell
like licorice anymore.
831
00:43:37,983 --> 00:43:40,852
And people have resumed
their normal lives.
832
00:43:40,886 --> 00:43:43,354
Lobbyists have had a year
to really plot and plan.
833
00:43:43,388 --> 00:43:45,891
They were very, very
quiet last year,
834
00:43:45,924 --> 00:43:47,759
and that was strategic.
835
00:43:47,793 --> 00:43:49,761
Perhaps this meant
that there was an opportunity
836
00:43:49,795 --> 00:43:52,197
to see who really
controls chemical policies
837
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:54,232
and the safety of water.
838
00:43:55,066 --> 00:43:57,168
So what's up with the tank bill?
839
00:43:57,202 --> 00:43:59,004
- So a year goes by.
840
00:43:59,037 --> 00:44:02,040
Now, people are saying
well, maybe we should
841
00:44:02,073 --> 00:44:04,375
go back and revisit it.
842
00:44:04,409 --> 00:44:07,145
It basically undoes all
that was done last year,
843
00:44:07,178 --> 00:44:09,715
and it makes any kind of
a regulatory framework
844
00:44:09,748 --> 00:44:11,983
for tanks irrelevant
and meaningless.
845
00:44:12,017 --> 00:44:13,919
- Who are the groups then
that are behind this?
846
00:44:13,952 --> 00:44:17,122
- Nobody wants their
name on the bill.
847
00:44:17,989 --> 00:44:21,960
You can almost figure
it out when you look
848
00:44:21,993 --> 00:44:25,831
at the legislation and see
who benefits most from it.
849
00:44:25,864 --> 00:44:26,898
That tells you a lot.
850
00:44:26,932 --> 00:44:31,102
The bill specifically
said just because your oil
851
00:44:32,771 --> 00:44:35,040
and gas related
means you're exempt.
852
00:44:35,073 --> 00:44:37,876
There was no other scientific
research behind it.
853
00:44:37,909 --> 00:44:40,245
- Do you think that
what happened last year
854
00:44:40,278 --> 00:44:41,913
changed you at all?
855
00:44:41,947 --> 00:44:42,914
- Yeah, I think so.
856
00:44:42,948 --> 00:44:46,785
It changed not just me,
maybe it was just me.
857
00:44:46,818 --> 00:44:48,453
Maybe my perspective
is what's changed,
858
00:44:48,486 --> 00:44:52,991
but it got some people at
the table, citizen activists.
859
00:44:53,024 --> 00:44:56,461
Their idea is not to change
this philosophical change
860
00:44:56,494 --> 00:44:59,064
in the world, but it's
about dealing with practical
861
00:44:59,097 --> 00:45:02,968
issues such as keeping
your water clean.
862
00:45:03,001 --> 00:45:03,802
Yes, sir.
863
00:45:03,835 --> 00:45:04,803
Yes, sir.
864
00:45:04,836 --> 00:45:06,037
1:15, I'll see you up there.
865
00:45:06,071 --> 00:45:10,108
You guys just missed the
governor walking out.
866
00:45:10,141 --> 00:45:12,978
- Do you mind taking
a camera with you?
867
00:45:13,011 --> 00:45:14,980
Then you just hit
this on the side.
868
00:45:15,013 --> 00:45:16,514
- And it videos.
869
00:45:16,547 --> 00:45:19,885
There had been
a massive train derailment.
870
00:45:19,918 --> 00:45:22,988
At least 18 tankers had
spilled oil into the river.
871
00:45:23,021 --> 00:45:27,192
It seemed like a bad time to
try to undo last year's bill.
872
00:45:29,094 --> 00:45:31,897
So my understanding is that
there is an effort to remove
873
00:45:31,930 --> 00:45:35,133
at least 99% of all the tanks
from needing to be inspected.
874
00:45:35,166 --> 00:45:38,203
- There's such a huge influx
of so many lobbyist groups
875
00:45:38,236 --> 00:45:40,906
behind individual members.
876
00:45:40,939 --> 00:45:44,910
Until I learn more about it,
I can't speak to what the bill
877
00:45:44,943 --> 00:45:48,013
completely will do, but
it doesn't look good.
878
00:45:48,046 --> 00:45:49,480
The
lobbyists hovered around
879
00:45:49,514 --> 00:45:51,883
the center of the capitol.
880
00:45:54,319 --> 00:45:56,888
Are you guys oil and gas,
or are you something else?
881
00:45:56,922 --> 00:45:57,889
- I'm city.
882
00:45:57,923 --> 00:45:58,990
- You are filming us right now.
883
00:45:59,024 --> 00:45:59,791
Hi.
884
00:45:59,825 --> 00:46:01,793
You can cut it
please, thank you.
885
00:46:01,827 --> 00:46:05,997
- I represent a series of
businesses, oil and gas,
886
00:46:06,031 --> 00:46:08,900
manufacturing, larger employers.
887
00:46:10,035 --> 00:46:11,436
So were you
involved in drafting
888
00:46:11,469 --> 00:46:12,971
the legislation at all?
889
00:46:13,004 --> 00:46:13,972
- No.
890
00:46:14,005 --> 00:46:15,073
Who would that be?
891
00:46:15,106 --> 00:46:17,275
- That's a great question.
892
00:46:21,546 --> 00:46:24,415
And I have not seen
her here today.
893
00:46:24,449 --> 00:46:26,384
Even the
Democratic Senator who created
894
00:46:26,417 --> 00:46:29,921
the original tank bill was now
supporting the gutting of it.
895
00:46:29,955 --> 00:46:32,090
I read through the piece
of legislation that there's
896
00:46:32,123 --> 00:46:34,059
no third party inspection.
897
00:46:34,092 --> 00:46:35,160
There's no anything.
898
00:46:35,193 --> 00:46:37,028
- You assume that everybody
are telling the truth,
899
00:46:37,062 --> 00:46:39,397
but every once in a while,
the IRS will audit you.
900
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:43,869
- If I cheat on my
taxes, 300,000 people
901
00:46:43,902 --> 00:46:47,272
- So this was a bill that was
introduced by industry folks.
902
00:46:47,305 --> 00:46:48,573
Speaking
of industry folks,
903
00:46:48,606 --> 00:46:51,076
what did Rebecca
Randolph send you?
904
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:52,077
- Oh, I don't know.
905
00:46:52,110 --> 00:46:53,078
You can have it.
906
00:46:53,111 --> 00:46:55,546
- 100 years of the West
Virginia Manufacturer's,
907
00:46:55,580 --> 00:46:57,115
oh, Swiss chocolates.
908
00:46:57,148 --> 00:46:58,249
Oh, that's nice.
909
00:46:58,283 --> 00:47:00,285
- Aren't they the most
powerful of all the lobbyists?
910
00:47:00,318 --> 00:47:03,221
- Private Coal Association
also has a lot of say.
911
00:47:03,254 --> 00:47:05,290
- Any way you need to
contact her, it's right here.
912
00:47:05,323 --> 00:47:07,859
Maybe I'll keep this one.
913
00:47:07,893 --> 00:47:11,162
The derailment had forced
American Water to shut down
914
00:47:11,196 --> 00:47:13,531
one of its treatment plants.
915
00:47:15,066 --> 00:47:17,002
It refused all of my
interview requests,
916
00:47:17,035 --> 00:47:19,070
so it was a rare
opportunity to find out
917
00:47:19,104 --> 00:47:22,007
their stance on these changes.
918
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,075
- I think that any attempts
right now to try to weaken
919
00:47:24,109 --> 00:47:27,345
water protections, especially
with events like this
920
00:47:27,378 --> 00:47:30,115
and last year's event being
so fresh in people's mind,
921
00:47:30,148 --> 00:47:34,152
I can't imagine anyone
being on board with that.
922
00:47:35,153 --> 00:47:37,055
The Manufacturers'
Association is a coalition
923
00:47:37,088 --> 00:47:41,292
of businesses who lobby
for their shared interests.
924
00:47:41,326 --> 00:47:45,496
It includes chemical companies
like DuPont, Dow, and Bayer.
925
00:47:46,431 --> 00:47:50,635
But there was one name on
this list I didn't expect.
926
00:47:50,668 --> 00:47:54,005
It seemed that the water
company was putting their
927
00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:58,009
bottom line before the
safety of their only product.
928
00:48:04,115 --> 00:48:05,050
You have a new job.
929
00:48:05,083 --> 00:48:06,651
You have nine other
people working for you,
930
00:48:06,684 --> 00:48:09,120
and the stakes are
really high, so in you're
931
00:48:09,154 --> 00:48:11,089
in a very different
political environment.
932
00:48:11,122 --> 00:48:14,059
But why not try and
protect this regulation?
933
00:48:14,092 --> 00:48:17,662
- There's plenty of folks
out there that can do that.
934
00:48:17,695 --> 00:48:20,165
I cannot afford to do it.
935
00:48:20,198 --> 00:48:21,699
Here's my responsibility
and my role,
936
00:48:21,732 --> 00:48:24,069
and I intend to fully do that.
937
00:48:24,102 --> 00:48:27,505
It's very important that
we keep scientific evidence
938
00:48:27,538 --> 00:48:30,608
in front and center
of every policy-making
939
00:48:30,641 --> 00:48:33,611
and not go in reverse
because that's exactly
940
00:48:33,644 --> 00:48:38,016
what some of the times the
other side is trying to do.
941
00:48:49,127 --> 00:48:51,429
- We've got a lab just had
to shut down because they had
942
00:48:51,462 --> 00:48:55,166
a lab person admit to
fabricating results,
943
00:48:57,168 --> 00:48:59,971
fabricating the same analytical
data you're talking about
944
00:49:00,005 --> 00:49:02,007
that they're supposed
to self report.
945
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,075
They were doing tests for
a lot of coal companies
946
00:49:04,109 --> 00:49:05,176
and other folks.
947
00:49:05,210 --> 00:49:08,146
I don't know who
the ones were for
948
00:49:08,179 --> 00:49:10,081
that they actually fabricated.
949
00:49:10,115 --> 00:49:12,250
I don't know the
specifics on that.
950
00:49:12,283 --> 00:49:14,052
But the bottom line it
doesn't matter is it brings
951
00:49:14,085 --> 00:49:18,256
into question the integrity
of the whole operation.
952
00:49:20,091 --> 00:49:22,027
- So you gonna run for
governor in two years.
953
00:49:22,060 --> 00:49:25,196
- I'm gonna run from the
capitol, not to the capitol.
954
00:49:25,230 --> 00:49:27,098
I was trying to find
955
00:49:27,132 --> 00:49:28,699
Rebecca Randolph
obviously today.
956
00:49:28,733 --> 00:49:29,534
She wasn't in.
957
00:49:29,567 --> 00:49:30,501
Do you think she'll
be in tomorrow?
958
00:49:30,535 --> 00:49:33,304
There's a
bill up at two o'clock.
959
00:49:33,338 --> 00:49:34,305
Like a
stakeholder's meeting?
960
00:49:34,339 --> 00:49:37,608
Yeah, I know
she'll be here for that.
961
00:49:37,642 --> 00:49:39,077
- So right behind me in
the corner over there
962
00:49:39,110 --> 00:49:41,012
a stakeholders
meeting is going on.
963
00:49:41,046 --> 00:49:43,081
And I don't know who
all's involved in this,
964
00:49:43,114 --> 00:49:45,783
but we've been told that
Rebecca from the Manufacturer's
965
00:49:45,816 --> 00:49:48,086
Association is there
along with anyone
966
00:49:48,119 --> 00:49:51,156
who is considered a
stakeholder to the state.
967
00:49:57,528 --> 00:49:59,397
I'm just gonna go in.
968
00:50:07,272 --> 00:50:11,109
- So it's similar to
the language on page 18,
969
00:50:11,142 --> 00:50:13,078
but a little bit different.
970
00:50:13,111 --> 00:50:14,045
I
couldn't believe it.
971
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:17,115
Every major lobbying
group was in that room
972
00:50:17,148 --> 00:50:20,585
rewriting the tank
bill in front of me.
973
00:50:20,618 --> 00:50:23,321
- I mean, I hear everyone
on how they're already
974
00:50:23,354 --> 00:50:25,290
regulated and maybe
that's good enough.
975
00:50:25,323 --> 00:50:27,825
What else could have been
done to minimize the risk
976
00:50:27,858 --> 00:50:30,561
in the Freedom thing
and to me, it goes back
977
00:50:30,595 --> 00:50:33,498
to certification and
inspection process.
978
00:50:34,732 --> 00:50:37,135
I mean, where do you
guys see the issue
979
00:50:37,168 --> 00:50:38,136
with what we're already
covering though?
980
00:50:38,169 --> 00:50:39,737
- Had that been going on
for some period of time,
981
00:50:39,770 --> 00:50:43,774
years, that leak
would've never happened.
982
00:50:43,808 --> 00:50:45,243
Randy
seemed to be putting up
983
00:50:45,276 --> 00:50:47,145
a pretty good fight.
984
00:50:53,118 --> 00:50:54,719
- The more hazardous
or dangerous it is,
985
00:50:54,752 --> 00:50:57,122
then it needs to be
included in level one.
986
00:50:57,155 --> 00:50:58,856
- We don't think
that's workable for us.
987
00:50:58,889 --> 00:51:00,825
- We're already covered under
988
00:51:00,858 --> 00:51:03,561
adequate stringent regulations.
989
00:51:03,594 --> 00:51:05,863
- That's not gonna work, guys.
990
00:51:05,896 --> 00:51:06,897
I'm just tellin' y'all.
991
00:51:06,931 --> 00:51:07,765
We'll go back to a
groundwork for an exemption
992
00:51:07,798 --> 00:51:10,168
to coal mining operation
and individual.
993
00:51:10,201 --> 00:51:11,636
I think
we've done all the damage
994
00:51:11,669 --> 00:51:12,637
we can do today.
995
00:51:13,904 --> 00:51:14,972
There you have it.
996
00:51:15,005 --> 00:51:18,843
That's a how a law is
weakened beyond recognition.
997
00:51:18,876 --> 00:51:21,812
But where had these changes
come from in the first place?
998
00:51:21,846 --> 00:51:23,414
Rebecca?
999
00:51:23,448 --> 00:51:24,815
Hi, Cullen Hoback.
1000
00:51:24,849 --> 00:51:25,750
- Oh, hi.
1001
00:51:25,783 --> 00:51:26,917
- I've been trying
to get a hold of you.
1002
00:51:26,951 --> 00:51:28,819
Were you relevant in terms
of crafting the bill itself?
1003
00:51:28,853 --> 00:51:31,389
- I mean, we had some input.
1004
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:34,459
Candidly what I'm gonna
tell you on camera,
1005
00:51:34,492 --> 00:51:37,362
I mean, is that our folks
will be the first ones
1006
00:51:37,395 --> 00:51:39,397
to get in line to
do what's necessary
1007
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:42,767
when considering
protection of the resource
1008
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,402
that we're trying to protect.
1009
00:51:44,435 --> 00:51:46,137
- Are you going to
work to change the bill
1010
00:51:46,171 --> 00:51:47,838
from its current form to
make it so it covers more
1011
00:51:47,872 --> 00:51:49,907
of the tanks that are out there?
1012
00:51:49,940 --> 00:51:53,378
'Cause like right now it just
literally undoes last year.
1013
00:51:53,411 --> 00:51:57,215
- I don't, I think we'll have
to agree to disagree on that.
1014
00:52:13,464 --> 00:52:15,600
It was once again
the last day of session,
1015
00:52:15,633 --> 00:52:18,403
and they were about to vote
on changing the tank bill.
1016
00:52:22,773 --> 00:52:25,943
The bill had been undone
with little fanfare.
1017
00:52:25,976 --> 00:52:30,381
Another Freedom Industries
was primed to happen again.
1018
00:52:30,415 --> 00:52:31,616
Senator Hall?
1019
00:52:31,649 --> 00:52:32,617
- Yes.
1020
00:52:32,650 --> 00:52:35,220
Are you the
lead sponsor on SB423?
1021
00:52:35,253 --> 00:52:36,221
- Yes, I was.
1022
00:52:36,254 --> 00:52:39,390
- Did you write the bill, or--
1023
00:52:39,424 --> 00:52:40,391
- No, I didn't write.
1024
00:52:40,425 --> 00:52:41,626
I mean, the attorneys wrote it.
1025
00:52:41,659 --> 00:52:44,595
Whose
attorneys wrote it?
1026
00:52:44,629 --> 00:52:45,963
- Well, shoot, I
mean, it was done,
1027
00:52:45,996 --> 00:52:48,599
I can't even tell ya.
1028
00:52:48,633 --> 00:52:51,869
The Manufacturer's
Association, I don't know.
1029
00:52:51,902 --> 00:52:52,937
I don't know who did it.
1030
00:52:52,970 --> 00:52:54,905
- But surely someone came
to you with the bill,
1031
00:52:54,939 --> 00:52:59,510
and they said, would you be
the lead sponsor on this?
1032
00:52:59,544 --> 00:53:01,879
- People from the
Manufacturer's Association did.
1033
00:53:01,912 --> 00:53:04,682
What's your interest in
knowing who gave me the bill?
1034
00:53:04,715 --> 00:53:07,452
- Well, I've just been
following the water crisis
1035
00:53:07,485 --> 00:53:08,519
from the beginning.
1036
00:53:08,553 --> 00:53:09,520
- Okay.
1037
00:53:09,554 --> 00:53:10,488
- And so because the bill--
1038
00:53:10,521 --> 00:53:11,922
- Well, let me tell
you what I tell people.
1039
00:53:11,956 --> 00:53:13,724
Somebody else got
a speeding ticket,
1040
00:53:13,758 --> 00:53:15,226
and everybody else got a fine.
1041
00:53:15,260 --> 00:53:16,927
That's the way I view it.
1042
00:53:16,961 --> 00:53:18,429
That's it.
1043
00:53:18,463 --> 00:53:21,666
You know, it just
gave an opportunity
1044
00:53:21,699 --> 00:53:24,602
for people to come in
and just cause all sorts
1045
00:53:24,635 --> 00:53:28,273
of regulatory problems for
us that weren't necessary.
1046
00:53:28,306 --> 00:53:30,875
So I'm happy 473 passed.
1047
00:53:30,908 --> 00:53:33,378
I'm glad my name is on the top.
1048
00:53:33,411 --> 00:53:34,445
- It's not a bad bill.
1049
00:53:34,479 --> 00:53:35,913
It's a good bill.
1050
00:53:35,946 --> 00:53:36,914
The guy didn't
even know the number
1051
00:53:36,947 --> 00:53:38,416
of his own bill.
1052
00:53:38,449 --> 00:53:39,950
It's 423, not 473.
1053
00:53:41,819 --> 00:53:44,255
Maybe it's because he
didn't write the bill.
1054
00:53:44,289 --> 00:53:46,991
It was the Manufacturer's
Association.
1055
00:53:47,024 --> 00:53:49,794
Maybe he should be
fist-bumping them.
1056
00:53:49,827 --> 00:53:54,031
Industry wasn't just undermining
laws that protect water.
1057
00:53:54,064 --> 00:53:57,268
They were literally
writing them.
1058
00:53:57,302 --> 00:54:00,771
Just how far did this
kind of control reach?
1059
00:54:03,308 --> 00:54:07,512
Did you see what hit
the news the other day, right?
1060
00:54:19,590 --> 00:54:22,427
- Well, I mean, I know
I was bathing in it
1061
00:54:22,460 --> 00:54:24,929
for those two and a half months.
1062
00:54:32,403 --> 00:54:33,504
Hi.
1063
00:54:34,872 --> 00:54:36,040
Come here.
1064
00:54:36,073 --> 00:54:37,207
Let's get a snack.
1065
00:54:37,241 --> 00:54:38,543
Did you look at
the stuff that the National
1066
00:54:38,576 --> 00:54:40,678
Toxicology Program released?
1067
00:54:40,711 --> 00:54:42,380
- I didn't.
1068
00:54:42,413 --> 00:54:44,749
Well, one thing
they ended up saying about MCHM
1069
00:54:44,782 --> 00:54:48,018
is that it could cause
reproductive harm.
1070
00:54:49,086 --> 00:54:51,389
- His muscle development
was a little off, but--
1071
00:54:51,422 --> 00:54:52,890
The symptoms
associate with that
1072
00:54:52,923 --> 00:54:54,459
are developmental.
1073
00:54:54,492 --> 00:54:57,662
- Yeah, that's crazy actually.
1074
00:54:57,695 --> 00:54:58,829
That's weird.
1075
00:54:58,863 --> 00:55:03,000
But he's fine now, but he
was about six months behind
1076
00:55:04,702 --> 00:55:07,872
in muscle development
for a while, so.
1077
00:55:08,806 --> 00:55:10,575
- You know, we were
worried, and we of course
1078
00:55:10,608 --> 00:55:12,977
had that in the back
of our mind that,
1079
00:55:13,010 --> 00:55:14,545
there was no medical monitoring.
1080
00:55:14,579 --> 00:55:16,046
There was no doctor
visits that happened
1081
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,049
every single year to check
in or anything like that
1082
00:55:19,083 --> 00:55:21,686
to show, I guess, a conclusion.
1083
00:55:30,595 --> 00:55:32,062
On your data?
1084
00:55:32,096 --> 00:55:35,800
The study proving MCHM
was twice as toxic?
1085
00:55:56,086 --> 00:55:57,922
But why would the CDC
go out of their way
1086
00:55:57,955 --> 00:56:00,591
to hide the truth about MCHM?
1087
00:56:01,492 --> 00:56:03,027
It didn't make sense.
1088
00:56:26,984 --> 00:56:31,021
January of 2016, it's when
the international spotlight
1089
00:56:31,055 --> 00:56:33,023
turned towards the
lead contamination
1090
00:56:33,057 --> 00:56:36,561
in the drinking water
of Flint, Michigan.
1091
00:56:36,594 --> 00:56:39,997
- It used to be cars
were made in Flint,
1092
00:56:40,030 --> 00:56:43,868
and you couldn't drink
the water in Mexico.
1093
00:56:43,901 --> 00:56:46,671
Now, the cars are
made in Mexico,
1094
00:56:47,872 --> 00:56:51,108
and you can't drink
the water in Flint.
1095
00:56:52,543 --> 00:56:54,745
It makes you feel
bad as a parent to know
1096
00:56:54,779 --> 00:56:58,549
that you've been poisoning
your child all this time.
1097
00:56:58,583 --> 00:57:00,050
Why are you worrying?
1098
00:57:00,084 --> 00:57:00,918
- Because.
1099
00:57:03,020 --> 00:57:06,857
- I'm afraid it's
not gonna be fixed.
1100
00:57:06,891 --> 00:57:08,759
- We're gonna have problems
with kids in special education
1101
00:57:08,793 --> 00:57:12,630
services, cognition,
behavioral problems, focusing.
1102
00:57:12,663 --> 00:57:14,231
It was
a shot in the dark,
1103
00:57:14,264 --> 00:57:16,567
but maybe this
contamination held the key
1104
00:57:16,601 --> 00:57:19,136
to opening up this story.
1105
00:57:19,169 --> 00:57:21,839
- A lot of people in Flint
have lead pipe like this
1106
00:57:21,872 --> 00:57:24,509
going from the water main
that runs down the street
1107
00:57:24,542 --> 00:57:26,010
into their homes.
1108
00:57:26,043 --> 00:57:27,077
Scientists from
Virginia Tech came up
1109
00:57:27,111 --> 00:57:28,879
to test the water in Flint.
1110
00:57:28,913 --> 00:57:31,516
- The corrosive water
actually ate up every
1111
00:57:31,549 --> 00:57:33,651
metallic pipe in the system.
1112
00:57:33,684 --> 00:57:35,052
Government
officials it turns out,
1113
00:57:35,085 --> 00:57:36,086
did know about the lead.
1114
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,089
- We are fully cooperating
with investigations
1115
00:57:39,123 --> 00:57:41,726
and will hold those
individuals accountable.
1116
00:57:41,759 --> 00:57:45,129
Unlike MCHM,
lead doesn't have an odor.
1117
00:57:45,162 --> 00:57:48,265
This had enabled
officials to cover this up
1118
00:57:48,298 --> 00:57:50,100
for over two years.
1119
00:57:56,841 --> 00:57:58,776
But I had a hard
time that officials
1120
00:57:58,809 --> 00:58:01,011
would knowingly
poison 8,000 kids
1121
00:58:01,045 --> 00:58:03,848
just to save a few
bucks on water.
1122
00:58:09,286 --> 00:58:13,057
- The parts per billion in
her house was over 13,000.
1123
00:58:13,090 --> 00:58:14,725
13,000.
1124
00:58:14,759 --> 00:58:16,260
I've never seen a
level that high.
1125
00:58:16,293 --> 00:58:20,097
And the state removed her house
from the sampling protocol.
1126
00:58:20,130 --> 00:58:22,099
Like, where are the red
flags that were going off
1127
00:58:22,132 --> 00:58:23,067
in people's brains?
1128
00:58:23,100 --> 00:58:25,736
Dr. Mona
Hanna-Attisha is one of
1129
00:58:25,770 --> 00:58:29,173
two main people that brought
this contamination to light.
1130
00:58:29,206 --> 00:58:31,075
She looked at the blood
results of more than
1131
00:58:31,108 --> 00:58:32,242
1,700 children from Flint.
1132
00:58:32,276 --> 00:58:34,945
- So we were attacked.
1133
00:58:34,979 --> 00:58:37,915
The state said I was
causing near hysteria.
1134
00:58:37,948 --> 00:58:40,217
That their numbers were not
consistent with our numbers.
1135
00:58:40,250 --> 00:58:42,152
When the state tells you
you're wrong, it's hard
1136
00:58:42,186 --> 00:58:43,087
not to second-guess yourself.
1137
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,122
They have a team of
50 epidemiologists.
1138
00:58:45,155 --> 00:58:46,757
You're supposed to
sample from homes
1139
00:58:46,791 --> 00:58:47,925
that have lead plumbing.
1140
00:58:47,958 --> 00:58:50,094
They sampled from homes that
didn't have lead plumbing,
1141
00:58:50,127 --> 00:58:52,129
so there was a lot of
kind of manipulations
1142
00:58:52,162 --> 00:58:56,100
of how the water lead
levels were being done.
1143
00:58:56,133 --> 00:58:59,704
So it continued the almost
two years of denial, denial.
1144
00:58:59,737 --> 00:59:01,171
There's a problem.
1145
00:59:01,205 --> 00:59:03,040
I was reminded
of the CDC refusing
1146
00:59:03,073 --> 00:59:05,109
Dr. Whelton's results.
1147
00:59:05,142 --> 00:59:09,580
Why were these agencies
covering up the facts?
1148
00:59:09,614 --> 00:59:11,716
What's strange is that
it didn't even seem like
1149
00:59:11,749 --> 00:59:13,317
the politicians were in on it.
1150
00:59:13,350 --> 00:59:17,087
Here's the governor of Michigan
testifying before Congress.
1151
00:59:17,121 --> 00:59:19,223
- We'd go back to the
experts over and over again.
1152
00:59:19,256 --> 00:59:21,792
We were told the water was safe.
1153
00:59:21,826 --> 00:59:23,160
That was wrong.
1154
00:59:23,193 --> 00:59:24,995
It wasn't just one department.
1155
00:59:25,029 --> 00:59:26,731
As it continued on, we
got information not only
1156
00:59:26,764 --> 00:59:29,133
from the DEQ but the
Department of Health
1157
00:59:29,166 --> 00:59:30,635
and Human Services
that they didn't see
1158
00:59:30,668 --> 00:59:32,336
elevated levels in blood.
1159
00:59:32,369 --> 00:59:34,171
These departments
that he's describing,
1160
00:59:34,204 --> 00:59:36,641
they're analogs to the
ones that Randy Huffman
1161
00:59:36,674 --> 00:59:38,208
and Dr. Gupta run.
1162
00:59:38,242 --> 00:59:40,110
- Here's my briefing
from the night before,
1163
00:59:40,144 --> 00:59:42,079
and it's information from
both those departments
1164
00:59:42,112 --> 00:59:44,214
dismissing people.
1165
00:59:44,248 --> 00:59:47,117
I get so mad that I never
should have believed them.
1166
00:59:47,151 --> 00:59:49,086
So we had cases where
it took outside experts.
1167
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:50,087
That's tragic.
1168
00:59:51,221 --> 00:59:52,289
- So this is scary.
1169
00:59:52,322 --> 00:59:56,160
You've got reproductive
toxins, some cancer hazards.
1170
00:59:56,193 --> 00:59:57,895
Well, at
least they're labeled.
1171
00:59:57,928 --> 00:59:58,763
- Yeah.
1172
00:59:58,796 --> 01:00:01,999
DC prepared me and
my team for Flint.
1173
01:00:04,068 --> 01:00:07,171
Dr. Marc
Edwards, outside expert
1174
01:00:07,204 --> 01:00:08,939
in Flint, number two.
1175
01:00:08,973 --> 01:00:11,041
It turns out this wasn't
even the first time
1176
01:00:11,075 --> 01:00:14,078
he had gone toe to toe
with federal agencies
1177
01:00:14,111 --> 01:00:15,913
over lead in drinking water.
1178
01:00:15,946 --> 01:00:19,316
- I had fought a 12 year
battle in Washington DC
1179
01:00:19,349 --> 01:00:23,387
exposing government
science agency corruption.
1180
01:00:23,420 --> 01:00:26,290
The Center for Disease
Control, the USEPA,
1181
01:00:26,323 --> 01:00:28,392
the environmental policemen
we pay to protect us
1182
01:00:28,425 --> 01:00:31,662
were actually the
environmental criminals.
1183
01:00:31,696 --> 01:00:33,831
I mean, I know
longer trust the CDC.
1184
01:00:33,864 --> 01:00:34,765
Why?
1185
01:00:34,799 --> 01:00:37,802
Because the upper
levels of CDC is proving
1186
01:00:37,835 --> 01:00:40,671
themselves untrustworthy to me.
1187
01:00:40,705 --> 01:00:44,709
The amount of harm in
Washington DC is 30 times worse
1188
01:00:44,742 --> 01:00:46,811
than what happened
in Flint, Michigan.
1189
01:00:46,844 --> 01:00:49,146
They poisoned
thousands of children,
1190
01:00:49,179 --> 01:00:52,683
covered it up for
about seven years.
1191
01:00:52,717 --> 01:00:56,120
I had to betray some of my
best friends, people I went
1192
01:00:56,153 --> 01:00:59,189
to graduate school with, who
were working with the EPA
1193
01:00:59,223 --> 01:01:02,159
and creating fabricated reports.
1194
01:01:04,461 --> 01:01:06,063
Is it lobbyists?
1195
01:01:06,096 --> 01:01:07,197
Is it the politicians
who appoint them?
1196
01:01:07,231 --> 01:01:11,802
- Well, how could the Catholic
church do what it did?
1197
01:01:13,237 --> 01:01:15,973
Make it in your interest to
engage in unethical behavior
1198
01:01:16,006 --> 01:01:18,408
to cover up problems, and
if you can get away with it,
1199
01:01:18,442 --> 01:01:20,077
you will do that.
1200
01:01:21,011 --> 01:01:22,747
Ultimately, there was
a Congressional hearing
1201
01:01:22,780 --> 01:01:25,015
where they were
chastised publicly,
1202
01:01:25,049 --> 01:01:27,117
but no one was ever
held accountable.
1203
01:01:27,151 --> 01:01:29,053
It seemed history
was repeating itself.
1204
01:01:29,086 --> 01:01:31,889
Here's the head of the
EPA at the Congressional
1205
01:01:31,922 --> 01:01:33,891
hearing about Flint.
1206
01:01:33,924 --> 01:01:37,394
Has
anybody been fired?
1207
01:01:37,427 --> 01:01:39,129
That's a question.
1208
01:01:39,163 --> 01:01:40,130
- No, sir.
1209
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:43,968
- No, sir.
1210
01:01:44,001 --> 01:01:47,004
- EPA covered this up
every step of the way.
1211
01:01:47,037 --> 01:01:51,742
They will protect their
reputation above all else.
1212
01:01:51,776 --> 01:01:53,744
- Oversight was
our responsibility.
1213
01:01:53,778 --> 01:01:56,346
We took that seriously,
and we conducted it.
1214
01:01:56,380 --> 01:01:58,215
Does that mean I
don't have regrets?
1215
01:01:58,248 --> 01:02:00,517
- One heroic employee
there, he wrote a memo
1216
01:02:00,550 --> 01:02:03,921
that said EPA should
exert emergency powers.
1217
01:02:03,954 --> 01:02:06,323
But in response,
he was told that they weren't
1218
01:02:06,356 --> 01:02:09,059
sure Flint was the kind
of community they wanted
1219
01:02:09,093 --> 01:02:11,228
to go out on a limb for.
1220
01:02:11,261 --> 01:02:15,532
And so this EPA official was
ignored over and over again.
1221
01:02:15,565 --> 01:02:18,302
He was so fed up that
after 27 years of working
1222
01:02:18,335 --> 01:02:21,138
for the EPA, he had this to say.
1223
01:02:21,171 --> 01:02:23,073
"People trying to do the
right thing are constantly
1224
01:02:23,107 --> 01:02:26,176
"being subjected to intense
scrutiny as if we were
1225
01:02:26,210 --> 01:02:28,145
"doing something wrong.
1226
01:02:28,178 --> 01:02:30,781
"It's all of this, don't
find anything bad crap
1227
01:02:30,815 --> 01:02:34,118
"at EPA that's the reason I
desperately want to leave.
1228
01:02:34,151 --> 01:02:36,020
"EPA is a cesspool."
1229
01:02:37,421 --> 01:02:40,090
This would explain why
in the months after Flint
1230
01:02:40,124 --> 01:02:43,193
when other communities
tested their water systems,
1231
01:02:43,227 --> 01:02:46,897
it turned out that Flint was
just the tip of the iceberg.
1232
01:02:46,931 --> 01:02:49,033
- Pittsburghers are likely
drinking water laced
1233
01:02:49,066 --> 01:02:50,200
with toxic lead.
1234
01:02:50,234 --> 01:02:52,402
- Chicago parks shut off
hundreds of drinking fountains.
1235
01:02:52,436 --> 01:02:54,204
The water
in Garfield, Texas.
1236
01:02:54,238 --> 01:02:55,973
- 10% of Portland homes.
1237
01:02:56,006 --> 01:02:58,809
- All drinking fountains
at Ohio's most important
1238
01:02:58,843 --> 01:03:00,344
and historic building.
1239
01:03:00,377 --> 01:03:02,179
According
to an investigation
1240
01:03:02,212 --> 01:03:04,849
conducted by Reuters,
nearly 3,000 areas
1241
01:03:04,882 --> 01:03:09,053
had lead poisoning rates
far higher than in Flint.
1242
01:03:12,256 --> 01:03:14,191
- And then you ask the
question, well, if they're
1243
01:03:14,224 --> 01:03:17,394
doing that for lead in water,
what else are they hiding?
1244
01:03:17,427 --> 01:03:20,230
- How can we trust
any of the science
1245
01:03:20,264 --> 01:03:23,600
that's coming out of the EPA,
if this is the culture there?
1246
01:03:23,633 --> 01:03:24,835
- That's the reality.
1247
01:03:24,869 --> 01:03:25,870
You cannot.
1248
01:03:25,903 --> 01:03:28,072
It seemed
that the EPA and CDC were
1249
01:03:28,105 --> 01:03:32,276
too busy protecting their own
reputations to be trusted.
1250
01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:36,480
If Dr. Edwards was right,
it's what I'd been missing.
1251
01:03:41,418 --> 01:03:44,254
- The fact is most
whistle blowers regret it.
1252
01:03:44,288 --> 01:03:47,157
I was at the top
of the game at EPA.
1253
01:03:47,191 --> 01:03:50,094
In my case, the EPA funded
the University of Georgia
1254
01:03:50,127 --> 01:03:53,097
to publish 20 years of
fake data to counteract
1255
01:03:53,130 --> 01:03:56,400
research I published
at UGA documenting
1256
01:03:57,434 --> 01:03:59,403
adverse health affects.
1257
01:03:59,436 --> 01:04:04,141
- How are you sure the data
was being falsified, made up?
1258
01:04:04,174 --> 01:04:07,344
- The scientists admitting
under oath the data were faked
1259
01:04:07,377 --> 01:04:10,047
and that they believed
people were getting sick.
1260
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:14,251
In one case, a federal judge
ruled the data were fabricated.
1261
01:04:15,085 --> 01:04:19,256
The CDC is doing exactly the
same thing that EPA is doing.
1262
01:04:20,624 --> 01:04:23,994
The most astounding part
of that is that even
1263
01:04:24,028 --> 01:04:28,198
when the CDC and EPA
admit their data are fake
1264
01:04:28,232 --> 01:04:30,935
and they're caught, they
still will not remove it
1265
01:04:30,968 --> 01:04:32,502
from the scientific literature.
1266
01:04:32,536 --> 01:04:36,406
Political appointees go
through the revolving door
1267
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:38,342
between government and industry.
1268
01:04:38,375 --> 01:04:41,345
They're washing
each other's hands.
1269
01:04:41,378 --> 01:04:44,281
Who runs
independent tests outside
1270
01:04:44,314 --> 01:04:47,017
of these agencies to ensure
the drinking water is safe?
1271
01:04:47,051 --> 01:04:48,218
- That's the scary thing.
1272
01:04:48,252 --> 01:04:49,419
Almost no one.
1273
01:04:52,622 --> 01:04:54,458
There are
other chemicals going into the
1274
01:04:54,491 --> 01:04:58,228
water that are not being
tested, not being reported.
1275
01:04:58,262 --> 01:05:00,030
And there is
a method for figuring out
1276
01:05:00,064 --> 01:05:01,031
what those chemicals are.
1277
01:05:01,065 --> 01:05:04,201
- It's wicked expensive
to do chemical testing.
1278
01:05:04,234 --> 01:05:05,169
If you're looking
to find something,
1279
01:05:05,202 --> 01:05:07,471
you need to know what
you're looking for.
1280
01:05:07,504 --> 01:05:09,273
And that's a huge undertaking.
1281
01:05:15,279 --> 01:05:16,446
The plan
was to test near major
1282
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:18,482
industrial sites in the river.
1283
01:05:18,515 --> 01:05:21,251
If we found any chemicals
at a high concentration,
1284
01:05:21,285 --> 01:05:24,621
we would test for that same
chemical in taps downstream.
1285
01:05:24,654 --> 01:05:27,291
It was impossible to
test for everything,
1286
01:05:27,324 --> 01:05:31,561
so we picked chemicals that
were the most likely suspects.
1287
01:05:51,281 --> 01:05:52,616
So have you been
drinking the water?
1288
01:05:52,649 --> 01:05:56,220
- I haven't since the
whole thing started.
1289
01:05:56,253 --> 01:05:59,256
You know, you have one
bout with rare cancer,
1290
01:05:59,289 --> 01:06:01,625
and you're real
careful after that.
1291
01:06:01,658 --> 01:06:05,262
I have a son in law
who works for DuPont.
1292
01:06:05,295 --> 01:06:08,198
Yeah, we're right
down from it now.
1293
01:06:09,299 --> 01:06:10,100
Yeah,
I'm real curious
1294
01:06:10,134 --> 01:06:12,169
what they're puttin'
in the water.
1295
01:06:12,202 --> 01:06:13,403
- I am, too.
1296
01:06:13,437 --> 01:06:14,271
I am, too.
1297
01:06:28,318 --> 01:06:29,319
All right.
1298
01:06:29,353 --> 01:06:30,120
What's that, Rick?
1299
01:06:30,154 --> 01:06:31,055
There's a boat
coming towards us?
1300
01:06:31,088 --> 01:06:32,789
We can fill
these up on the way.
1301
01:06:32,822 --> 01:06:34,291
- All right, let's
get out of here.
1302
01:06:39,529 --> 01:06:42,232
Two months later, the
scientist that I'd been
1303
01:06:42,266 --> 01:06:45,802
working with at USGS or United
States Geological Survey
1304
01:06:45,835 --> 01:06:48,505
sent me an email
with the results.
1305
01:06:48,538 --> 01:06:51,075
His response was surprising.
1306
01:06:51,841 --> 01:06:54,311
There was no smoking gun.
1307
01:06:54,344 --> 01:06:56,780
They found very little of the
chemicals that they expected
1308
01:06:56,813 --> 01:06:57,947
to be in the river.
1309
01:06:57,981 --> 01:07:01,251
And we had done our testing
near what should have been
1310
01:07:01,285 --> 01:07:02,786
the release points.
1311
01:07:02,819 --> 01:07:05,222
Either we had done
something wrong,
1312
01:07:05,255 --> 01:07:06,390
or they really weren't releasing
1313
01:07:06,423 --> 01:07:09,559
all that much into the river.
1314
01:07:09,593 --> 01:07:13,397
However, there was something
that I didn't understand.
1315
01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:16,333
In the lab report, there are
all of these unidentified
1316
01:07:16,366 --> 01:07:18,068
tiny little peaks.
1317
01:07:18,735 --> 01:07:22,839
What was the big thing
that you uncovered?
1318
01:07:22,872 --> 01:07:25,475
- People in towns and
cities across America
1319
01:07:25,509 --> 01:07:29,279
were getting sick that
lived next to where
1320
01:07:29,313 --> 01:07:33,350
land application of sewage
sludge was occurring.
1321
01:07:33,383 --> 01:07:36,320
See, material that settles
out at sewage treatment plants
1322
01:07:36,353 --> 01:07:40,324
is mostly human feces mixed
with industrial waste,
1323
01:07:40,357 --> 01:07:42,259
and it's free fertilizer.
1324
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:47,331
Some of it's sold at Home
Depot and other outlets.
1325
01:07:47,364 --> 01:07:51,568
Every chemical that
could possibly cause harm
1326
01:07:51,601 --> 01:07:54,304
to human health is there.
1327
01:07:54,338 --> 01:07:58,275
So I went about to document
these illnesses and deaths
1328
01:07:58,308 --> 01:08:01,645
and found out that they were
linked to an EPA policy.
1329
01:08:01,678 --> 01:08:06,216
In the early '70s passed
the Clean Water Act.
1330
01:08:06,250 --> 01:08:10,187
That made a very expensive
industry to pollute
1331
01:08:10,220 --> 01:08:14,258
our rivers and lakes, so once
their lobbyists got involved
1332
01:08:14,291 --> 01:08:18,428
and they got in bed
with EPA and vice versa,
1333
01:08:18,462 --> 01:08:21,765
what they wanted was,
there's no clean soil act.
1334
01:08:21,798 --> 01:08:25,902
Let's just dump all this
on land, not regulate it,
1335
01:08:25,935 --> 01:08:27,871
and make it free for us.
1336
01:08:27,904 --> 01:08:30,707
That's what happened in 1993.
1337
01:08:30,740 --> 01:08:33,477
That was the first
Clinton administration.
1338
01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:36,346
The agency was
reorganized science-wise,
1339
01:08:36,380 --> 01:08:38,415
so it became very
political at that point.
1340
01:08:38,448 --> 01:08:39,916
- So industry is
basically flushing
1341
01:08:39,949 --> 01:08:42,386
chemicals down the drain?
1342
01:08:42,419 --> 01:08:43,853
- Now, they don't
have to build a pipe
1343
01:08:43,887 --> 01:08:46,390
to the river and pay for it.
1344
01:08:46,423 --> 01:08:48,625
They flush it down the toilet.
1345
01:08:48,658 --> 01:08:51,428
- That would explain why
when I tested the river,
1346
01:08:51,461 --> 01:08:53,830
it was cleaner than I expected.
1347
01:08:53,863 --> 01:08:58,568
- Yeah, it's now
going everywhere we
1348
01:08:58,602 --> 01:09:02,772
school playgrounds, parks,
golf courses, farms, forests.
1349
01:09:05,242 --> 01:09:08,578
It rains, so it runs off
into creeks and streams.
1350
01:09:08,612 --> 01:09:10,447
It goes into the
rivers and lakes.
1351
01:09:10,480 --> 01:09:14,651
- I have to admit it sounds
a little far-fetched to me.
1352
01:09:16,786 --> 01:09:18,622
- Well, you see what
happened in Flint.
1353
01:09:18,655 --> 01:09:22,892
The mere fact that scientists
cannot publish data
1354
01:09:22,926 --> 01:09:25,829
that shows what the
government's doing and what
1355
01:09:25,862 --> 01:09:29,766
universities are doing,
that explains all this.
1356
01:09:32,802 --> 01:09:35,805
- How old are the
people who died?
1357
01:09:35,839 --> 01:09:39,376
- From small children
to elderly people.
1358
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:45,215
Looking back at
the data from the river,
1359
01:09:45,249 --> 01:09:46,750
it now made sense.
1360
01:09:46,783 --> 01:09:50,420
All of these little peaks,
they represented chemicals.
1361
01:09:50,454 --> 01:09:54,224
Instead of there being huge
amounts of just a few chemicals,
1362
01:09:54,258 --> 01:09:57,927
there were small amounts of
hundreds, if not thousands.
1363
01:09:57,961 --> 01:10:00,664
And they couldn't be
identified because we didn't
1364
01:10:00,697 --> 01:10:03,233
know what to look for.
1365
01:10:03,267 --> 01:10:05,835
Very little research is
being done in this field.
1366
01:10:05,869 --> 01:10:09,306
However, there were a number
of studies that had looked
1367
01:10:09,339 --> 01:10:12,642
for low levels of drugs
appearing in rivers.
1368
01:10:12,676 --> 01:10:16,880
Drugs that people consume and
then flush down the drain.
1369
01:10:16,913 --> 01:10:21,285
Antidepressants, steroids,
antibiotics, even meth,
1370
01:10:23,420 --> 01:10:27,291
every drug researchers had
looked for was in the river
1371
01:10:27,324 --> 01:10:30,394
in the parts per billion range.
1372
01:10:30,427 --> 01:10:33,297
And when they tested fertilizer
made from sewage sludge,
1373
01:10:33,330 --> 01:10:36,266
in many cases the
drugs were there, too,
1374
01:10:36,300 --> 01:10:39,436
but at exponentially
higher levels.
1375
01:10:39,469 --> 01:10:41,471
This research was indisputable.
1376
01:10:41,505 --> 01:10:42,839
It had been
replicated by multiple
1377
01:10:42,872 --> 01:10:45,241
agencies across the globe.
1378
01:10:45,909 --> 01:10:47,811
Dr. Lewis was right.
1379
01:10:47,844 --> 01:10:50,680
Clearly these peaks
were not all benign.
1380
01:10:50,714 --> 01:10:54,784
If these chemicals were all
appearing in river samples,
1381
01:10:54,818 --> 01:10:58,988
then were they getting into
our drinking water as well?
1382
01:11:00,557 --> 01:11:01,525
Some
of your chemicals
1383
01:11:01,558 --> 01:11:03,026
are starting to come off.
1384
01:11:03,059 --> 01:11:04,894
- Each of those
peaks is a chemical?
1385
01:11:04,928 --> 01:11:08,332
- This whole area
underneath here is probably
1386
01:11:08,365 --> 01:11:12,068
200 different chemicals
are coming off right now.
1387
01:11:12,101 --> 01:11:14,070
- This sample was from my own
1388
01:11:14,103 --> 01:11:16,306
tap water in California.
1389
01:11:20,410 --> 01:11:22,746
It turns out that there
is a way to identify
1390
01:11:22,779 --> 01:11:24,814
some of the peaks.
1391
01:11:24,848 --> 01:11:27,384
The sample can be run against
a huge database of chemicals,
1392
01:11:27,417 --> 01:11:30,320
and sometimes you
can find a match.
1393
01:11:32,088 --> 01:11:34,624
So we tested downstream
of the chemical valley.
1394
01:11:34,658 --> 01:11:38,395
If we did find a chemical
of concern, I believed
1395
01:11:38,428 --> 01:11:42,432
that Dr. Gupta and possibly
Randy Huffman would help us
1396
01:11:42,466 --> 01:11:47,103
proving that regulators can
put science before politics.
1397
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,081
Now, there were other
chemicals found.
1398
01:11:58,114 --> 01:11:59,816
This is the one
that I thought was
1399
01:11:59,849 --> 01:12:01,084
the most concerning
of the bunch.
1400
01:12:01,117 --> 01:12:03,753
It says one, one, two,
two tetrachloroethane.
1401
01:12:03,787 --> 01:12:06,356
It has a quality match
of 96 that we found
1402
01:12:06,390 --> 01:12:07,824
in four of the five locations.
1403
01:12:07,857 --> 01:12:10,727
It's three to four times
more toxic than MCHM.
1404
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:12,762
California considers
it to be a carcinogen.
1405
01:12:12,796 --> 01:12:15,399
A little less than
one part per billion.
1406
01:12:15,432 --> 01:12:17,133
But what I'm really trying
to understand is like,
1407
01:12:17,166 --> 01:12:19,135
is this a big deal or not?
1408
01:12:19,168 --> 01:12:21,371
- These are small numbers,
but they're significant
1409
01:12:21,405 --> 01:12:23,440
numbers to my mind, you know.
1410
01:12:23,473 --> 01:12:25,074
This is coming out
of the water plant.
1411
01:12:25,108 --> 01:12:29,379
- I didn't realize those
were drinking water samples.
1412
01:12:29,413 --> 01:12:30,313
That's a huge deal.
1413
01:12:30,346 --> 01:12:34,384
So the analytics were
done by USGS labs?
1414
01:12:34,418 --> 01:12:35,385
Yeah.
1415
01:12:35,419 --> 01:12:36,886
They do great science.
1416
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:38,455
- The lead chemist
who did this research,
1417
01:12:38,488 --> 01:12:40,857
he has 130 scientific
papers published.
1418
01:12:40,890 --> 01:12:43,493
He felt very confident that
this chemical was there.
1419
01:12:43,527 --> 01:12:45,094
- One of the guys who
used to work for me,
1420
01:12:45,128 --> 01:12:47,731
he's a PhD chemist, he
seems to think it's real.
1421
01:12:47,764 --> 01:12:50,467
I mean, I expected
to be unconvinced.
1422
01:12:50,500 --> 01:12:51,401
I did, too.
1423
01:12:51,435 --> 01:12:52,769
- I'm convinced.
1424
01:12:54,471 --> 01:12:55,505
It's real.
1425
01:12:56,172 --> 01:12:57,907
Have we gone upstream?
1426
01:12:57,941 --> 01:12:59,443
We didn't find
any high concentrations
1427
01:12:59,476 --> 01:13:01,545
of this in our river testing.
1428
01:13:01,578 --> 01:13:03,947
But it could
be leaching out of soil.
1429
01:13:03,980 --> 01:13:06,483
It doesn't mean it was dumped.
1430
01:13:06,516 --> 01:13:07,917
- That doesn't mean
it's still not a crisis
1431
01:13:07,951 --> 01:13:10,053
because if it's happened
this time, it's happened
1432
01:13:10,086 --> 01:13:12,188
in the past, and it will
happen again in the future.
1433
01:13:12,221 --> 01:13:15,191
If you had buy-in from state
agencies, tell the public
1434
01:13:15,224 --> 01:13:18,194
about this, that would
be good if they'd play.
1435
01:13:18,227 --> 01:13:19,629
- Yeah, but Jeff
McIntyre's the president
1436
01:13:19,663 --> 01:13:22,198
of West Virginia American Water.
1437
01:13:22,231 --> 01:13:25,134
I think you need
to give it a shot.
1438
01:13:25,168 --> 01:13:26,936
So I sent an
email to the key players
1439
01:13:26,970 --> 01:13:28,204
in American Water.
1440
01:13:28,237 --> 01:13:29,673
I hadn't heard back.
1441
01:13:29,706 --> 01:13:31,040
It looks like
reception's locked.
1442
01:13:31,074 --> 01:13:32,442
That's weird.
1443
01:13:32,476 --> 01:13:34,911
It's the middle of a work day.
1444
01:13:34,944 --> 01:13:35,779
Okay.
1445
01:13:37,013 --> 01:13:40,216
I am here to speak to either
Laura Jordan or Jeff McIntyre
1446
01:13:40,249 --> 01:13:44,420
about some data regarding
a chemical in the water.
1447
01:13:45,489 --> 01:13:47,457
They're behind closed doors.
1448
01:13:47,491 --> 01:13:50,159
Can you have one of them
give me a call back?
1449
01:13:50,193 --> 01:13:52,128
All right, I just need to
be able to share this data
1450
01:13:52,161 --> 01:13:54,531
with somebody who can look at it
1451
01:13:54,564 --> 01:13:56,065
and make an informed decision.
1452
01:13:59,969 --> 01:14:01,771
So these concentrations
pretty much match
1453
01:14:01,805 --> 01:14:03,172
what we found in the river.
1454
01:14:03,206 --> 01:14:04,841
- So you found it in taps, too.
1455
01:14:04,874 --> 01:14:06,009
- Yeah, correct.
1456
01:14:06,042 --> 01:14:08,878
We weren't able to pinpoint
a source, so I'm thinking
1457
01:14:08,912 --> 01:14:10,580
maybe it's due to rainfall.
1458
01:14:10,614 --> 01:14:12,682
- You didn't sample
in the Ohio River.
1459
01:14:12,716 --> 01:14:13,783
- No, I haven't done that yet.
1460
01:14:13,817 --> 01:14:15,719
That would be something
that'd be really good to do,
1461
01:14:15,752 --> 01:14:17,253
especially after
everything thaws.
1462
01:14:17,286 --> 01:14:18,387
- We just don't know.
1463
01:14:18,421 --> 01:14:21,157
We just gotta do some
research and see what we find
1464
01:14:21,190 --> 01:14:23,727
and if we can find anything.
1465
01:14:24,594 --> 01:14:27,196
You have any plans to
share this information
1466
01:14:27,230 --> 01:14:30,834
with our state health
department, Bureau
1467
01:14:30,867 --> 01:14:34,671
I mean, they regulate
drinking water.
1468
01:14:34,704 --> 01:14:36,940
- Well, I sent Dr.
Gupta all of the data.
1469
01:14:36,973 --> 01:14:39,809
He hasn't made time yet, so.
1470
01:14:39,843 --> 01:14:40,677
- Okay.
1471
01:14:42,746 --> 01:14:44,180
A big event
was planned in the shadow
1472
01:14:44,213 --> 01:14:47,684
of the capitol to
celebrate safe water.
1473
01:14:50,319 --> 01:14:53,089
Dr. Gupta and the
president of West Virginia
1474
01:14:53,122 --> 01:14:56,626
American Water were
both keynote speakers.
1475
01:14:57,961 --> 01:15:01,230
- How much information
is to be shared?
1476
01:15:06,770 --> 01:15:08,037
When we don't know something,
1477
01:15:08,071 --> 01:15:09,238
I will tell you
we don't know it.
1478
01:15:09,272 --> 01:15:10,774
Thank you for having me today.
1479
01:15:20,083 --> 01:15:23,987
- Yeah, but what's the
minimum detection limit?
1480
01:15:25,254 --> 01:15:27,156
That's really important.
1481
01:15:27,190 --> 01:15:29,659
All I know with a very
high degree of certainty
1482
01:15:29,693 --> 01:15:31,294
is that it was in the
water two months ago.
1483
01:15:31,327 --> 01:15:33,296
Like, if you had someone
from your department
1484
01:15:33,329 --> 01:15:35,031
go and run tests--
1485
01:15:41,104 --> 01:15:43,773
I mean, I sent you all the data.
1486
01:15:50,379 --> 01:15:51,948
But if the chemical
is in fact there,
1487
01:15:51,981 --> 01:15:55,619
then it's something that
requires a degree of speed.
1488
01:15:55,652 --> 01:15:57,854
Do you think that the
public should at least
1489
01:15:57,887 --> 01:16:01,625
have the ability to make
a decision about this
1490
01:16:01,658 --> 01:16:03,660
from the available data?
1491
01:16:06,362 --> 01:16:08,598
It would only be carefully
disseminated information
1492
01:16:08,632 --> 01:16:12,802
that explains exactly what we
know and what we don't know.
1493
01:16:21,344 --> 01:16:22,311
Thank you, Dr. Gupta.
1494
01:16:22,345 --> 01:16:24,914
- I do think people have
a right to know if any
1495
01:16:24,948 --> 01:16:28,184
substances are going to end
up in their drinking water.
1496
01:16:28,217 --> 01:16:32,055
I think people do have a
right to know that up front
1497
01:16:32,088 --> 01:16:33,623
whether these substances
are classified
1498
01:16:33,657 --> 01:16:36,660
as hazardous or non-hazardous.
1499
01:16:36,693 --> 01:16:38,161
In the coming
days, his department
1500
01:16:38,194 --> 01:16:40,263
would look for any holes
they could find in our data
1501
01:16:40,296 --> 01:16:43,366
implying that we had
somehow added this chemical
1502
01:16:43,399 --> 01:16:45,835
into the samples ourselves.
1503
01:16:46,803 --> 01:16:49,305
Behind the scenes, officials
had already cast so much doubt,
1504
01:16:49,338 --> 01:16:53,009
the local press seemed
nervous to run the story.
1505
01:16:53,042 --> 01:16:55,378
It was hard to blame them as
it reminded me of something
1506
01:16:55,411 --> 01:16:57,280
Dr. Edwards had said.
1507
01:16:57,313 --> 01:17:02,051
- You have to fight this on
your own because who else
1508
01:17:02,085 --> 01:17:03,820
wants to pay a price?
1509
01:17:05,388 --> 01:17:08,391
I had exhausted
every option except for one.
1510
01:17:08,424 --> 01:17:09,392
Can I hold that for one sec?
1511
01:17:09,425 --> 01:17:10,426
- Yeah.
1512
01:17:10,459 --> 01:17:11,795
- While we wait for
those answers to come in,
1513
01:17:11,828 --> 01:17:13,963
I have an announcement to make.
1514
01:17:13,997 --> 01:17:17,801
So four months ago, I
went the Kanawha River,
1515
01:17:17,834 --> 01:17:19,235
and I took samples.
1516
01:17:19,268 --> 01:17:20,870
It was an audience full
of health department
1517
01:17:20,904 --> 01:17:22,772
and water company employees.
1518
01:17:22,806 --> 01:17:25,842
I hoped that maybe they
would respond to facts.
1519
01:17:25,875 --> 01:17:27,844
These tests came
back at a range of
1520
01:17:27,877 --> 01:17:31,080
between .5 and .85
parts per billion.
1521
01:17:31,114 --> 01:17:33,282
These levels are not
considered to be safe
1522
01:17:33,316 --> 01:17:35,384
in eight states in this country.
1523
01:17:35,418 --> 01:17:37,286
This should warrant
further investigation
1524
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:38,888
by your state officials.
1525
01:17:38,922 --> 01:17:39,889
Thank you.
1526
01:17:43,426 --> 01:17:45,795
- So I think it's kind of
reprehensible to come up
1527
01:17:45,829 --> 01:17:48,832
and make a statement when
you think you're sure,
1528
01:17:48,865 --> 01:17:50,433
but I can tell you I am sure.
1529
01:17:50,466 --> 01:17:52,401
And there is no concern with
the Huntington water supply
1530
01:17:52,435 --> 01:17:54,871
relating to that chemical.
1531
01:17:54,904 --> 01:17:57,907
Imagine if
officials had waited two months
1532
01:17:57,941 --> 01:18:00,176
after the original spill.
1533
01:18:00,209 --> 01:18:02,912
They wouldn't have
found anything.
1534
01:18:02,946 --> 01:18:06,415
Not to mention that the
soil was now frozen.
1535
01:18:07,817 --> 01:18:10,219
To my knowledge, no
testing by the regulatory
1536
01:18:10,253 --> 01:18:12,355
agencies was ever done.
1537
01:18:17,126 --> 01:18:18,895
The carcinogen I had
brought attention to
1538
01:18:18,928 --> 01:18:21,330
in West Virginia, it was
just the one chemical
1539
01:18:21,364 --> 01:18:24,901
that we could detect,
and it was unregulated.
1540
01:18:24,934 --> 01:18:27,270
So legally it could
be in the water.
1541
01:18:27,303 --> 01:18:29,505
But there were still
thousands of chemicals
1542
01:18:29,538 --> 01:18:32,408
that the system couldn't
find a match for,
1543
01:18:32,441 --> 01:18:35,044
chemicals you couldn't smell.
1544
01:18:36,045 --> 01:18:38,214
And we don't know if
they're harmful or not
1545
01:18:38,247 --> 01:18:40,884
because the studies
are all confidential,
1546
01:18:40,917 --> 01:18:45,021
and the science could be
fake like it was with MCHM.
1547
01:18:45,054 --> 01:18:47,090
Besides, who's going
to look for something
1548
01:18:47,123 --> 01:18:50,259
that they don't want to find?
1549
01:18:50,293 --> 01:18:52,495
Changing
culture, both industry
1550
01:18:52,528 --> 01:18:54,363
and government is a tough thing.
1551
01:18:54,397 --> 01:18:55,598
It's not easy.
1552
01:18:55,631 --> 01:18:58,034
I mean, I'm absolutely working
to change the culture within
1553
01:18:58,067 --> 01:19:01,337
our side of it, and
it's not that easy.
1554
01:19:05,441 --> 01:19:08,845
We can exonerate ourselves
in our own minds anyway
1555
01:19:08,878 --> 01:19:10,847
if there's a villain.
1556
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:14,083
That's why it's so
easy to be a victim.
1557
01:19:14,117 --> 01:19:17,220
- Science is based
completely on trust.
1558
01:19:17,253 --> 01:19:19,522
If scientists and engineers
aren't trustworthy,
1559
01:19:19,555 --> 01:19:21,958
the public will turn against us.
1560
01:19:21,991 --> 01:19:24,127
And I think it's
already happening.
1561
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,395
And they will turn to
other sources of authority
1562
01:19:26,429 --> 01:19:29,365
who are historically
less reliable.
1563
01:19:30,399 --> 01:19:33,202
You could enter a new Dark Age.
1564
01:19:36,906 --> 01:19:38,541
- Failed environmental
leadership has contributed
1565
01:19:38,574 --> 01:19:40,944
to two of the worst
government-created environmental
1566
01:19:40,977 --> 01:19:43,346
disasters in decades,
which have undermined
1567
01:19:43,379 --> 01:19:45,581
the American people's
faith in the agency.
1568
01:19:45,614 --> 01:19:48,151
This is why I believe Trump
nominated attorney general,
1569
01:19:48,184 --> 01:19:49,552
Pruitt, to serve as
the administrator
1570
01:19:49,585 --> 01:19:51,487
of the Environmental
Protection Agency.
1571
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:55,925
- Mr. Pruitt, you have sued
the EPA 19 times to stop
1572
01:19:55,959 --> 01:19:59,395
clean air and water protections.
1573
01:19:59,428 --> 01:20:02,866
Do you believe there is
any safe level of lead--
1574
01:20:02,899 --> 01:20:04,834
- Senator, that's
something I've not reviewed
1575
01:20:04,868 --> 01:20:06,335
nor know about.
1576
01:20:06,369 --> 01:20:09,338
I've not looked at the
scientific research on that.
1577
01:20:09,372 --> 01:20:12,942
In 2017, Scott
Pruitt, the new head of the EPA
1578
01:20:12,976 --> 01:20:15,511
began dismantling
his own agency.
1579
01:20:16,512 --> 01:20:21,017
- We are going to end the EPA
intrusion into your lives.
1580
01:20:21,050 --> 01:20:23,987
He fired nearly
everyone on the independent
1581
01:20:24,020 --> 01:20:26,289
scientific advisory board.
1582
01:20:26,322 --> 01:20:30,393
Then began removing scientific
research from public view.
1583
01:20:30,426 --> 01:20:34,030
- This is a wholesale wiping
out of historical record.
1584
01:20:34,063 --> 01:20:36,332
The science that's we've
developed and the actions
1585
01:20:36,365 --> 01:20:38,301
we've taken and
why we took them.
1586
01:20:38,334 --> 01:20:41,337
You can disagree with
many of those actions.
1587
01:20:41,370 --> 01:20:45,108
But what you can't do
is simply deny history.
1588
01:20:55,184 --> 01:20:56,285
It was the
culmination of regulators
1589
01:20:56,319 --> 01:21:00,556
behaving unethically, of
politicians leveraging science
1590
01:21:03,026 --> 01:21:07,530
for their own benefit, of
the public losing trust
1591
01:21:07,563 --> 01:21:11,334
in a broken system, but
science isn't broken,
1592
01:21:14,203 --> 01:21:17,907
which means the
system can be rebuilt.
1593
01:21:17,941 --> 01:21:22,111
But until that happens, it's
probably best you remember
1594
01:21:23,512 --> 01:21:27,516
that we're all
downstream of something.
1595
01:21:34,057 --> 01:21:36,592
* Oh, oh, oh, oh
1596
01:21:38,061 --> 01:21:40,629
* Oh, oh, oh, oh
1597
01:21:41,564 --> 01:21:44,333
* Oh, oh, oh, oh
1598
01:21:59,215 --> 01:22:03,319
* Feel our flesh as we misbehave
1599
01:22:05,989 --> 01:22:09,458
* Drifting in the undertone
1600
01:22:10,994 --> 01:22:13,596
* Before you go
1601
01:22:13,629 --> 01:22:16,499
* It's safe now
1602
01:22:17,666 --> 01:22:21,537
* The water's just fine
1603
01:22:21,570 --> 01:22:25,608
* We close our eyes now
1604
01:22:25,641 --> 01:22:29,245
* I'm blind, and you are
1605
01:22:29,278 --> 01:22:31,114
- Sir are you
gonna plead guilty?
1606
01:22:31,147 --> 01:22:33,549
* Oh, oh, oh
1607
01:22:33,582 --> 01:22:36,519
* Oh, oh, oh, oh
1608
01:22:37,486 --> 01:22:41,124
* Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
1609
01:22:56,405 --> 01:22:59,775
* Your body and breath
will now keep me
1610
01:22:59,808 --> 01:23:03,512
* Breathing past midnight
1611
01:23:09,052 --> 01:23:11,720
- You've gotta stop
politicizing either side
1612
01:23:11,754 --> 01:23:14,523
and get back to the science.
1613
01:23:18,761 --> 01:23:21,464
- That was all right.
1614
01:23:21,497 --> 01:23:24,233
* Oh, oh, oh, oh
1615
01:23:25,101 --> 01:23:27,336
- Each of these individuals
attempted to bury
1616
01:23:27,370 --> 01:23:31,474
or cover up the
Michigan Department of
1617
01:23:31,507 --> 01:23:35,678
and the Michigan Department
of Health and Human Services.
1618
01:23:37,213 --> 01:23:39,415
* Oh, oh, oh
1619
01:23:40,649 --> 01:23:43,252
* Oh, oh, oh
1620
01:23:44,753 --> 01:23:47,556
* On the shore
1621
01:23:48,424 --> 01:23:51,294
* To you I call
1622
01:23:52,495 --> 01:23:55,464
* We cannot fall
1623
01:24:04,573 --> 01:24:10,446
* Hide 'til spring time
1624
01:24:16,319 --> 01:24:18,321
* Sing
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