Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated:
1
00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:00,833
(start)
2
00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000
Downloaded from
YTS.BZ
3
00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000
Official YIFY movies site:
YTS.BZ
4
00:00:25,987 --> 00:00:28,654
(clock ticking)
5
00:00:36,924 --> 00:00:40,420
- Clocks ticking all over the world.
6
00:00:40,420 --> 00:00:45,420
- [Narrator] Mechanical clock
works, LEDs, liquid quartz,
7
00:00:45,954 --> 00:00:49,537
overgrown sundials,
huge, big, small, tiny,
8
00:00:50,984 --> 00:00:54,930
ticking, heartbeat, bombs,
countdown to everything.
9
00:00:54,930 --> 00:00:57,719
You see it's all about rhythm.
10
00:00:57,719 --> 00:01:00,386
The beat goes on it's set aside.
11
00:01:04,501 --> 00:01:07,001
(funky music)
12
00:01:14,900 --> 00:01:16,900
dreams the skeleton key.
13
00:01:17,757 --> 00:01:20,215
Chaos chants my beautiful ones
14
00:01:20,215 --> 00:01:24,132
my best girls, marry me,
wed me to possibility.
15
00:01:27,147 --> 00:01:30,689
I Jacob Marley do take
the soul of the night.
16
00:01:30,689 --> 00:01:35,463
The beauty of contradiction
and paradox is my bride
17
00:01:35,463 --> 00:01:38,546
she in turn give me a wild wild ride.
18
00:02:05,229 --> 00:02:09,021
- [Interviewer] What would
you be doing when you turn 50?
19
00:02:09,021 --> 00:02:11,578
- I've discussed this
a lot with my brother.
20
00:02:11,578 --> 00:02:16,479
And we've discussed how when
I'm 60 years old actually
21
00:02:16,479 --> 00:02:18,180
how I wanna be living down the house
22
00:02:18,180 --> 00:02:22,122
at the end of the street
and at 3 AM there will be
23
00:02:22,122 --> 00:02:25,805
feedback and stuff coming out of the house
24
00:02:25,805 --> 00:02:27,767
and then all the little
kids will cross the road
25
00:02:27,767 --> 00:02:30,240
to come out of the,
you know when they walk
26
00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,506
past my house and I can be as rude and
27
00:02:32,506 --> 00:02:36,923
obstreperous as I like to
people because I'll be old.
28
00:02:38,296 --> 00:02:39,484
That's what I want to be doing,
29
00:02:39,484 --> 00:02:42,274
being rude and obstreperous.
30
00:02:42,274 --> 00:02:45,191
(orchestral music)
31
00:03:49,084 --> 00:03:52,216
- Rowland kind of emerged onto the scene
32
00:03:52,216 --> 00:03:54,133
with everything intact.
33
00:03:56,423 --> 00:03:58,948
And I know a lot of people
will say this about him
34
00:03:58,948 --> 00:04:02,280
but he was just Rowland, he
dressed in a certain way,
35
00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,780
he had all his kind of influences in place
36
00:04:08,222 --> 00:04:09,922
he knew exactly the way he wanted to play
37
00:04:09,922 --> 00:04:11,224
he knew exactly the way things,
38
00:04:11,224 --> 00:04:14,128
he felt things should be and should sound
39
00:04:14,128 --> 00:04:17,226
he knew absolutely what
he hated and despised
40
00:04:17,226 --> 00:04:19,457
and there was no way ever you could
41
00:04:19,457 --> 00:04:22,207
play him anything to change that.
42
00:04:23,813 --> 00:04:26,932
He was locked into a kind of concrete
43
00:04:26,932 --> 00:04:31,599
point of view about things
and this is hugely inspiring.
44
00:04:33,681 --> 00:04:36,764
(punk music playing)
45
00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,896
- Around the time I met Nick he was
46
00:04:59,896 --> 00:05:03,563
just starting to take
songwriting seriously.
47
00:05:04,596 --> 00:05:05,819
- We just started to hang around
48
00:05:05,819 --> 00:05:08,543
more and more together and become friends.
49
00:05:08,543 --> 00:05:11,183
- are you embarrassed
about brushing your teeth?
50
00:05:11,183 --> 00:05:13,183
- No I never brush them.
51
00:05:15,618 --> 00:05:17,535
- Are you a homosexual?
52
00:05:22,781 --> 00:05:23,834
- Spit it out Nick.
53
00:05:23,834 --> 00:05:25,584
- Is punk homosexual?
54
00:05:27,669 --> 00:05:28,502
- Um.
55
00:05:30,310 --> 00:05:32,511
- (mumbles) okay.
56
00:05:32,511 --> 00:05:34,261
- Okay, okay I agree.
57
00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,753
- I remember we'd be driving to parties
58
00:05:40,753 --> 00:05:42,535
in the car crammed full of people
59
00:05:42,535 --> 00:05:44,814
and he'd say if we had an accident
60
00:05:44,814 --> 00:05:47,071
the whole future of rock
and roll's wiped out.
61
00:05:47,071 --> 00:05:48,917
- And I used to see him when we were out
62
00:05:48,917 --> 00:05:52,334
sort of always on the move always walking
63
00:05:53,192 --> 00:05:56,131
through the crowd with leopard skin shirt
64
00:05:56,131 --> 00:06:00,438
and OCT photos of himself
on Model Of Youth.
65
00:06:00,438 --> 00:06:01,707
- He was a bit intimidating 'cause he was
66
00:06:01,707 --> 00:06:04,051
a 16 year old person with this presence
67
00:06:04,051 --> 00:06:04,884
he was telling us that our band wasn't
68
00:06:04,884 --> 00:06:08,085
very good but he liked our talent.
69
00:06:08,085 --> 00:06:10,342
- I didn't really feel like
buying it on face value
70
00:06:10,342 --> 00:06:12,406
I think I pretty much told
him that at some party
71
00:06:12,406 --> 00:06:14,813
once too you know, well it's
about time you did something
72
00:06:14,813 --> 00:06:17,646
rather than just talking the talk.
73
00:06:19,132 --> 00:06:20,304
I hadn't seen much evidence of him
74
00:06:20,304 --> 00:06:22,120
doing anything after a few months he still
75
00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,300
I hadn't heard him play a note still.
76
00:06:24,300 --> 00:06:27,252
So I was a little dubious
about whether there
77
00:06:27,252 --> 00:06:29,016
was anything behind it or whether
78
00:06:29,016 --> 00:06:31,537
he was just a well read dandy.
79
00:06:31,537 --> 00:06:32,875
- [Man] One, two, three, four.
80
00:06:32,875 --> 00:06:35,292
(punk music)
81
00:06:48,336 --> 00:06:51,503
- I met Olly Olsen at a party I think.
82
00:06:54,985 --> 00:06:56,344
- Rowland and I really hit it off
83
00:06:56,344 --> 00:06:58,491
because we were interested
in similar things.
84
00:06:58,491 --> 00:07:00,238
We loved bands more like Television
85
00:07:00,238 --> 00:07:01,071
and things like that.
86
00:07:01,071 --> 00:07:03,531
- The day after I met him we formed
87
00:07:03,531 --> 00:07:06,501
the band and wrote a couple of songs.
88
00:07:06,501 --> 00:07:09,291
- And they both were
such great song writers
89
00:07:09,291 --> 00:07:13,624
and performers and I can
still remember their songs.
90
00:07:16,797 --> 00:07:20,229
- [Interviewer] What kind of
music does your band play?
91
00:07:20,229 --> 00:07:22,172
- It varies a lot, it says a lot
92
00:07:22,172 --> 00:07:24,746
which most nu wave bands would think
93
00:07:24,746 --> 00:07:28,746
was sort of un-energetic
and sort of ideas type.
94
00:07:33,062 --> 00:07:36,344
We're much more based on
ideas than most other bands.
95
00:07:36,344 --> 00:07:37,414
- [Interviewer] What kinds of ideas?
96
00:07:37,414 --> 00:07:39,200
Are they largely destructive ideas?
97
00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:40,798
- No.
- No.
98
00:07:40,798 --> 00:07:41,652
Not at all.
99
00:07:41,652 --> 00:07:42,711
- Pretentious.
100
00:07:42,711 --> 00:07:44,348
- Incredibly.
101
00:07:44,348 --> 00:07:45,181
- They were pretentious little gits
102
00:07:45,181 --> 00:07:47,294
but you know it's all right.
103
00:07:47,294 --> 00:07:50,964
- They were absolutely
consumed by themselves.
104
00:07:50,964 --> 00:07:53,868
- Inspired and confident, just sort of
105
00:07:53,868 --> 00:07:56,391
taking his rightful place as a kind of
106
00:07:56,391 --> 00:08:00,369
heir to a throne of
fame and creative glory.
107
00:08:00,369 --> 00:08:03,438
- Everyone was waiting for
it to all come together
108
00:08:03,438 --> 00:08:05,268
and it was just the inevitability
109
00:08:05,268 --> 00:08:06,589
that it was gonna be genius.
110
00:08:06,589 --> 00:08:10,256
(Young Charlatans playing )
111
00:08:15,450 --> 00:08:16,752
- [Interviewer] What are
some of the (mumbles)
112
00:08:16,752 --> 00:08:18,701
- Model of youth.
113
00:08:18,701 --> 00:08:20,681
- Seems so distant.
114
00:08:20,681 --> 00:08:22,848
- My Empire, Broken Hands.
115
00:08:24,623 --> 00:08:25,745
- [Interviewer] What's Broken Hands about?
116
00:08:25,745 --> 00:08:27,167
- Self mutilation.
117
00:08:27,167 --> 00:08:28,601
- Suddenly The Young Charlatans were along
118
00:08:28,601 --> 00:08:31,335
with these amazing songs
and The Boys Next Door
119
00:08:31,335 --> 00:08:35,394
songs started changing pretty dramatically
120
00:08:35,394 --> 00:08:36,547
at the same time.
121
00:08:36,547 --> 00:08:41,301
- Two guitarists both
incredibly strong great players.
122
00:08:41,301 --> 00:08:43,872
Two songwriters who wrote similar
123
00:08:43,872 --> 00:08:46,710
but quite different material.
124
00:08:46,710 --> 00:08:49,285
There was like this
tension and that tension
125
00:08:49,285 --> 00:08:53,773
created this energy that
wasn't necessarily in your face
126
00:08:53,773 --> 00:08:56,905
but it just, it's underlying
edge was just magical.
127
00:08:56,905 --> 00:09:00,488
(Young Charlatans playing)
128
00:09:02,102 --> 00:09:05,503
Olly'd write songs like
Accident and Drowned.
129
00:09:05,503 --> 00:09:08,240
Rowland's would be like
She's Not The Chosen One
130
00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,749
and Broken Hands about punching a wall
131
00:09:11,749 --> 00:09:14,323
because some girl
wouldn't go out with him.
132
00:09:14,323 --> 00:09:18,499
And Shivers, which is absolutely romantic.
133
00:09:18,499 --> 00:09:20,476
- [Interviewer] What do you think?
134
00:09:20,476 --> 00:09:24,124
- Songs that mainly have
something to do with us.
135
00:09:24,124 --> 00:09:26,927
Lots of times there's some
played characters and stuff.
136
00:09:26,927 --> 00:09:28,953
- It was always a mystery that
137
00:09:28,953 --> 00:09:30,836
Young Charlatans survived
as long as it did.
138
00:09:30,836 --> 00:09:35,169
- We did 13 gigs I think
and then Olly left the band
139
00:09:36,875 --> 00:09:38,885
for what was like the fourth time
140
00:09:38,885 --> 00:09:41,718
and it seemed like little point in
141
00:09:43,175 --> 00:09:47,758
continuing this sort of cycle
of Olly leaving the band.
142
00:09:49,181 --> 00:09:53,348
(Shivers by The Young Charlatans)
143
00:10:05,219 --> 00:10:10,219
♪ I've been contemplating suicide ♪
144
00:10:12,182 --> 00:10:17,182
♪ But it really doesn't suit my style ♪
145
00:10:18,928 --> 00:10:23,928
♪ So I think I'll just act bored instead ♪
146
00:10:26,405 --> 00:10:31,072
♪ And contain the blood I would've shed ♪
147
00:10:32,627 --> 00:10:36,038
- When I was 16 when I was still at
148
00:10:36,038 --> 00:10:38,651
Swinburne Community School I wrote
149
00:10:38,651 --> 00:10:40,991
this song Shivers which was intended
150
00:10:40,991 --> 00:10:44,357
as an ironic comment
on the way that I felt
151
00:10:44,357 --> 00:10:48,929
that the people I knew
were making hysterical
152
00:10:48,929 --> 00:10:52,343
thing what were essentially
high school crushes.
153
00:10:52,343 --> 00:10:55,031
It started off being a very cynical song
154
00:10:55,031 --> 00:10:59,024
about their behaviour
and the way that they
155
00:10:59,024 --> 00:11:02,107
talked and acted about being in love.
156
00:11:03,217 --> 00:11:05,659
Which I found to be incredibly insincere
157
00:11:05,659 --> 00:11:08,826
and really blown out of all proportion
158
00:11:10,374 --> 00:11:13,541
although I'm hardly one who can speak,
159
00:11:15,812 --> 00:11:17,664
I have a little glass heart
160
00:11:17,664 --> 00:11:19,679
pinned to my sleeve most of the time.
161
00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,492
- He wrote Shivers when he was 16.
162
00:11:21,492 --> 00:11:23,855
This is really extraordinary that song.
163
00:11:23,855 --> 00:11:25,780
The chorus gets where I
can hardly even speak,
164
00:11:25,780 --> 00:11:27,978
I hardly even say that chorus 'cause it's
165
00:11:27,978 --> 00:11:31,031
just so great and so moving.
166
00:11:31,031 --> 00:11:36,031
(Shivers by Rowland Howard with
The Boys Next Door playing)
167
00:11:41,215 --> 00:11:44,434
♪ And the sound of her name ♪
168
00:11:44,434 --> 00:11:49,184
♪ Sends a permanent shiver down my spine ♪
169
00:11:54,731 --> 00:11:57,767
- Then when it was recorded
by The Boys Next Door
170
00:11:57,767 --> 00:12:01,893
Nick sort of interpreted
it completely differently
171
00:12:01,893 --> 00:12:05,393
and now the song is to most people's minds
172
00:12:06,664 --> 00:12:09,419
is something completely different
173
00:12:09,419 --> 00:12:13,181
from what I intended it to be but that's
174
00:12:13,181 --> 00:12:15,585
always the danger of writing anything
175
00:12:15,585 --> 00:12:18,656
is it's open to interpretation.
176
00:12:18,656 --> 00:12:21,695
- I used to dread Shivers
coming up in the set
177
00:12:21,695 --> 00:12:26,134
'cause it required a
certain amount of efficiency
178
00:12:26,134 --> 00:12:28,719
it required a certain
amount of talent to sing
179
00:12:28,719 --> 00:12:32,136
'cause it had a kind of melody and stuff.
180
00:12:32,998 --> 00:12:37,998
♪ My heart is really on it's knees ♪
181
00:12:41,957 --> 00:12:46,957
♪ But I keep a poker face so well ♪
182
00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:56,080
♪ That even mother couldn't tell ♪
183
00:12:58,804 --> 00:13:03,107
♪ That my baby's so vain ♪
184
00:13:03,107 --> 00:13:07,886
♪ That she is almost a mirror ♪
185
00:13:07,886 --> 00:13:09,809
♪ And the-- ♪
186
00:13:09,809 --> 00:13:12,726
- Like most songs that people write
187
00:13:13,667 --> 00:13:15,203
and particularly songs I write
188
00:13:15,203 --> 00:13:17,513
they take upon a life of their own
189
00:13:17,513 --> 00:13:20,596
and that song just happened to convey
190
00:13:23,071 --> 00:13:27,571
a sense of sincerity about...
in the most obvious way.
191
00:13:29,921 --> 00:13:34,921
♪ I've been contemplating suicide ♪
192
00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:43,660
♪ But it really doesn't suit my style ♪
193
00:13:47,297 --> 00:13:49,409
- It was tongue in cheek
194
00:13:49,409 --> 00:13:52,921
it wasn't a straightforward help me I'm so
195
00:13:52,921 --> 00:13:56,921
sensitive thing there
were layers to it I think.
196
00:13:59,372 --> 00:14:01,205
- When you're very young and you start out
197
00:14:01,205 --> 00:14:03,964
you have incredibly strong beliefs and
198
00:14:03,964 --> 00:14:06,767
you tend to do things
that are very forceful
199
00:14:06,767 --> 00:14:09,767
and very focused I guess because you
200
00:14:10,939 --> 00:14:13,939
know what is black and what is white
201
00:14:15,611 --> 00:14:18,577
and there's absolutely
no grey area whatsoever.
202
00:14:18,577 --> 00:14:20,994
(rock music)
203
00:14:30,047 --> 00:14:32,451
- That it was something that was so total
204
00:14:32,451 --> 00:14:34,447
and that's so loved by everybody
205
00:14:34,447 --> 00:14:36,214
and that kind of talked to everybody
206
00:14:36,214 --> 00:14:37,483
and all of that stuff that a
207
00:14:37,483 --> 00:14:39,744
great song should be able to do.
208
00:14:39,744 --> 00:14:42,003
But on the other hand you write that
209
00:14:42,003 --> 00:14:44,479
you can hang your fucking guitar up
210
00:14:44,479 --> 00:14:46,164
and go and do something else.
211
00:14:46,164 --> 00:14:48,331
It's just so accomplished.
212
00:14:51,673 --> 00:14:53,521
♪ My heart is in ♪
213
00:14:53,521 --> 00:14:55,876
- I suggested that in the interest of
214
00:14:55,876 --> 00:14:58,966
making the record that Rowland's voice
215
00:14:58,966 --> 00:15:02,068
sounded really good doing Rowland's songs.
216
00:15:02,068 --> 00:15:04,147
But I was voted out by Nick who said
217
00:15:04,147 --> 00:15:07,787
I'm the singer I'll sing the songs".
218
00:15:07,787 --> 00:15:10,691
♪ But my baby's so vain ♪
219
00:15:10,691 --> 00:15:14,665
♪ That she is almost a mirror ♪
220
00:15:14,665 --> 00:15:18,479
♪ And the sound of her name ♪
221
00:15:18,479 --> 00:15:22,224
♪ Sends a permanent shiver ♪
222
00:15:22,224 --> 00:15:23,759
- I was never able to do that
223
00:15:23,759 --> 00:15:26,592
song justice especially back then.
224
00:15:29,009 --> 00:15:29,963
Rowland must have been kind of
225
00:15:29,963 --> 00:15:32,546
squirming every time I sang it.
226
00:15:39,351 --> 00:15:44,351
- It was never turned out the
way that I wanted it to be.
227
00:15:44,435 --> 00:15:48,352
And so it was a sort of
frustrating experience.
228
00:15:54,863 --> 00:15:58,613
- I really wish he had
of sung that actually.
229
00:16:00,435 --> 00:16:03,273
I wish he had have sung
that when we recorded that
230
00:16:03,273 --> 00:16:07,690
because it was his song and
he should have sung that.
231
00:16:18,620 --> 00:16:21,370
(birds chirping)
232
00:16:22,514 --> 00:16:24,514
- Rose thorn rose thorn.
233
00:16:31,802 --> 00:16:34,052
God how she overwhelmed me.
234
00:16:36,488 --> 00:16:41,155
The magic of details rose
from her like cigarette smoke.
235
00:16:42,772 --> 00:16:47,150
I reach out and grab her
perfume around me like armour.
236
00:16:47,150 --> 00:16:49,400
This black Irish sorceress.
237
00:16:52,328 --> 00:16:56,661
I hear her voice deep in
her throat calling my name.
238
00:17:03,712 --> 00:17:04,629
Sweetheart.
239
00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,823
Despite the lazy cat grace walk
240
00:17:11,099 --> 00:17:14,932
she's at my side now I
could not raise my eyes
241
00:17:17,155 --> 00:17:18,988
could not look at her.
242
00:17:22,352 --> 00:17:24,269
Rose Thorn, Rose Thorn.
243
00:17:27,165 --> 00:17:28,165
I miss that.
244
00:17:29,853 --> 00:17:32,853
(gentle rock music)
245
00:17:41,885 --> 00:17:46,424
♪ I know a girl called Jonny ♪
246
00:17:46,424 --> 00:17:49,213
♪ She's a bullet , she's a villainess ♪
247
00:17:49,213 --> 00:17:54,213
♪ In my sIlver dress I'm the disastress ♪
248
00:17:55,664 --> 00:17:59,506
♪ Combing out her long straight hair ♪
249
00:17:59,506 --> 00:18:01,538
♪ Jonny bangs the drum ♪
250
00:18:01,538 --> 00:18:03,535
♪ Jonny bangs the drum ♪
251
00:18:03,535 --> 00:18:06,074
♪ Jonny bangs the drum ♪
252
00:18:06,074 --> 00:18:07,478
♪ Jonny bangs the drum ♪
253
00:18:07,478 --> 00:18:12,327
♪ She's my narcotic lollipop ♪
♪I put my fingers in his mouth ♪
254
00:18:12,327 --> 00:18:16,735
♪ ♪ She's my narcotic lollipop ♪
♪I put my fingers in his mouth ♪
255
00:18:16,735 --> 00:18:21,735
♪ ♪ She's my narcotic lollipop ♪
♪I put my fingers in his mouth ♪
256
00:18:31,467 --> 00:18:32,933
- I think Rowland was in love with
257
00:18:32,933 --> 00:18:35,031
very much every woman he ever met.
258
00:18:35,031 --> 00:18:37,341
- God yeah, he was really, he was just
259
00:18:37,341 --> 00:18:40,328
always insanely in love with somebody
260
00:18:40,328 --> 00:18:42,155
who wasn't in love with him.
261
00:18:42,155 --> 00:18:44,962
- And that's why all of
his songs are about pining.
262
00:18:44,962 --> 00:18:46,317
- He was very passionate about
263
00:18:46,317 --> 00:18:48,710
things and very deeply romantic.
264
00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:50,375
- Tragic romantic.
265
00:18:50,375 --> 00:18:52,191
- He had a mad crush on Gina.
266
00:18:52,191 --> 00:18:54,223
- Gina Riley that's right Kath And Kim.
267
00:18:54,223 --> 00:18:55,873
- It might have been Janine,
268
00:18:55,873 --> 00:18:57,655
he was really crazy about Janine.
269
00:18:57,655 --> 00:19:00,590
It might have been Lisa
it might have been Anita.
270
00:19:00,590 --> 00:19:02,817
- Broken Hands was about Lisa Creswell.
271
00:19:02,817 --> 00:19:04,005
- As soon as he went to art school
272
00:19:04,005 --> 00:19:06,051
he met Lisa and Anita and was instantly
273
00:19:06,051 --> 00:19:08,180
in love with Lisa and
then in love with Anita.
274
00:19:08,180 --> 00:19:10,688
- They were all in love
with the other one.
275
00:19:10,688 --> 00:19:12,620
- I was at this party that Rowland was at
276
00:19:12,620 --> 00:19:15,739
and a bunch of us was at and the music
277
00:19:15,739 --> 00:19:18,692
was very very loud I remember.
278
00:19:18,692 --> 00:19:20,775
And Anita Lane walked in.
279
00:19:22,287 --> 00:19:24,787
- She was, you know, stunning.
280
00:19:29,912 --> 00:19:32,646
- We started to have this
conversation together
281
00:19:32,646 --> 00:19:36,015
and all I remember was that I couldn't
282
00:19:36,015 --> 00:19:38,127
understand a word that she was saying
283
00:19:38,127 --> 00:19:39,565
'cause the music was so loud.
284
00:19:39,565 --> 00:19:41,840
- Nick and Rowly and Pierre
285
00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:43,671
was sort of a bit of a threesome.
286
00:19:43,671 --> 00:19:45,271
- By the end of that conversation
287
00:19:45,271 --> 00:19:47,795
we were boyfriend and girlfriend.
288
00:19:47,795 --> 00:19:51,511
- [Woman] They're all tall
and dark and hilarious.
289
00:19:51,511 --> 00:19:56,261
- Rowland also was very
interested in Anita romantically.
290
00:19:58,771 --> 00:20:00,091
- I would have thought so
291
00:20:00,091 --> 00:20:02,750
I mean everyone did I certainly was.
292
00:20:02,750 --> 00:20:04,463
- The first time I ever saw Rowly he was
293
00:20:04,463 --> 00:20:06,737
playing pinball with Janine,
294
00:20:06,737 --> 00:20:08,837
the bass player on The Esplanade.
295
00:20:08,837 --> 00:20:10,535
- Rowland was in love with Janine.
296
00:20:10,535 --> 00:20:13,813
- I remember thinking
that Janine was really old
297
00:20:13,813 --> 00:20:16,206
'cause she was like 25 or something.
298
00:20:16,206 --> 00:20:20,324
- She was really kind
of disdainful of Rowland
299
00:20:20,324 --> 00:20:24,093
being such a sensitive slim young fellow.
300
00:20:24,093 --> 00:20:26,836
- He was quite a frail person.
301
00:20:26,836 --> 00:20:28,185
- [Woman] I don't think people
302
00:20:28,185 --> 00:20:31,534
sometimes realised how he felt.
303
00:20:31,534 --> 00:20:33,954
- Didn't have that
primitive thing going on.
304
00:20:33,954 --> 00:20:36,835
♪ Changing all the boys into girls ♪
305
00:20:36,835 --> 00:20:41,305
♪ She's my narcotic lollipop ♪
♪I put my fingers in his mouth ♪
306
00:20:41,305 --> 00:20:45,396
♪ She's my narcotic lollipop ♪
♪I put my fingers in his mouth ♪
307
00:20:45,396 --> 00:20:48,427
- he had a crush on me but I at that stage
308
00:20:48,427 --> 00:20:52,197
I just thought he was
like 17 or so he seemed.
309
00:20:52,197 --> 00:20:56,030
- Genevieve somehow found
her way into the mix
310
00:21:01,926 --> 00:21:03,908
And I started going out with Genevieve.
311
00:21:03,908 --> 00:21:05,781
- I went out with Nick
for about two minutes
312
00:21:05,781 --> 00:21:10,434
and during that time Rowly
became my best friend
313
00:21:10,434 --> 00:21:13,451
he was always there because of Nick.
314
00:21:13,451 --> 00:21:16,542
- Then she started going out with Rowland.
315
00:21:16,542 --> 00:21:20,816
- He became my confidante
and he was fantastic.
316
00:21:20,816 --> 00:21:23,935
- And then I went back with Anita I think
317
00:21:23,935 --> 00:21:25,791
something happened like that.
318
00:21:25,791 --> 00:21:29,415
- I'd go to parties and he'd be sort of
319
00:21:29,415 --> 00:21:32,739
always hanging on the clothesline
320
00:21:32,739 --> 00:21:35,508
or leaning up against a speaker beside me
321
00:21:35,508 --> 00:21:38,207
sort of entertaining me with a
322
00:21:38,207 --> 00:21:41,249
dry commentary on the proceedings.
323
00:21:41,249 --> 00:21:43,569
- Rowland finally got
a fantastic girlfriend
324
00:21:43,569 --> 00:21:45,568
an amazing girl who he was in love with
325
00:21:45,568 --> 00:21:47,134
fell in love with him.
326
00:21:47,134 --> 00:21:49,552
- He was standing on top
of a really tall stool
327
00:21:49,552 --> 00:21:52,220
on top of a table and I was hanging
328
00:21:52,220 --> 00:21:54,311
onto his legs and
looking up and I suddenly
329
00:21:54,311 --> 00:21:57,394
just knew that I was totally smitten.
330
00:21:58,688 --> 00:22:01,188
- As a couple they were a trip
331
00:22:02,676 --> 00:22:03,509
(laughs)
332
00:22:03,509 --> 00:22:05,923
- And then that was another
kind of creative team.
333
00:22:05,923 --> 00:22:09,256
- And were inseparable and impenetrable.
334
00:22:12,248 --> 00:22:14,290
- And it was just bliss.
335
00:22:14,290 --> 00:22:17,790
We were so happy and comfortable together.
336
00:22:18,701 --> 00:22:23,701
- They wanted to get married
like that (clicks fingers)
337
00:22:24,128 --> 00:22:26,335
they weren't practical enough.
338
00:22:26,335 --> 00:22:27,681
- He was very happy.
339
00:22:27,681 --> 00:22:28,848
- Yeah he was.
340
00:22:31,292 --> 00:22:34,266
And I think Genevieve was too she seems--
341
00:22:34,266 --> 00:22:35,099
- Yeah.
342
00:22:35,099 --> 00:22:37,947
- Surprised that she suddenly realised--
343
00:22:37,947 --> 00:22:39,864
- It was him all along.
344
00:22:41,373 --> 00:22:46,082
♪ Oh my oh my I've had a vision
and it's looking very grim ♪
345
00:22:46,082 --> 00:22:51,082
♪ Brush my hair, cut my
teeth, sign my life away ♪
346
00:22:51,147 --> 00:22:55,524
♪ The Christian thing to do
would be to take my time ♪
347
00:22:55,524 --> 00:22:57,249
- He was a real definitely a courtship
348
00:22:57,249 --> 00:22:59,267
on from Nick to Rowland.
349
00:22:59,267 --> 00:23:04,267
♪ The kitchen door is locked
I can't hear a sound ♪
350
00:23:04,659 --> 00:23:07,498
♪ Press me down, cut me
up if you're lucky then ♪
351
00:23:07,498 --> 00:23:10,127
- But I think it was
doubt because he had this
352
00:23:10,127 --> 00:23:12,820
other thing planned for himself.
353
00:23:12,820 --> 00:23:13,903
His own star.
354
00:23:15,899 --> 00:23:17,712
♪ Take my pulse again ♪
355
00:23:17,712 --> 00:23:20,212
(piano plays)
356
00:23:22,087 --> 00:23:25,875
(Boys Next Door playing)
357
00:23:25,875 --> 00:23:28,792
♪ A Catholic scam ♪
358
00:23:32,932 --> 00:23:36,520
- Rowland's influence
within the band was massive.
359
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:37,446
- and all of a sudden there was
360
00:23:37,446 --> 00:23:39,172
this other dimension to the band.
361
00:23:39,172 --> 00:23:41,218
- The sound was so much more interesting.
362
00:23:41,218 --> 00:23:42,782
- I think he gave them a bit of an edge.
363
00:23:42,782 --> 00:23:44,060
- It was magic.
364
00:23:44,060 --> 00:23:45,391
- I think he moves them right away
365
00:23:45,391 --> 00:23:47,366
from being a sort of power pop band
366
00:23:47,366 --> 00:23:50,815
into being a band that was
a lot more experimental.
367
00:23:50,815 --> 00:23:51,801
- So it was just something that was
368
00:23:51,801 --> 00:23:54,599
truly original and extraordinary about
369
00:23:54,599 --> 00:23:56,947
what Rowland brought to the band
370
00:23:56,947 --> 00:24:00,690
that changed the sound
and widened the options
371
00:24:00,690 --> 00:24:02,446
of what that band could actually achieve.
372
00:24:02,446 --> 00:24:04,940
- He was playing Hair Shirt I think
373
00:24:04,940 --> 00:24:08,998
and suddenly the noises started emitting.
374
00:24:08,998 --> 00:24:10,969
- Switched all of the vibrato on
375
00:24:10,969 --> 00:24:14,858
and just went onto this
feedback kind of thing
376
00:24:14,858 --> 00:24:17,711
that just sounded amazing
it was just incredible
377
00:24:17,711 --> 00:24:21,191
it just kind of turned
this wall of explosives
378
00:24:21,191 --> 00:24:23,857
which we hadn't really heard
before it was quite exciting.
379
00:24:23,857 --> 00:24:27,107
(distorted rock music)
380
00:24:48,161 --> 00:24:50,685
- He developed, almost from the beginning
381
00:24:50,685 --> 00:24:52,194
had a guitar sound that was
382
00:24:52,194 --> 00:24:56,181
absolutely unique it was extraordinary.
383
00:24:56,181 --> 00:24:59,431
(distorted rock music)
384
00:25:03,879 --> 00:25:06,069
- There's a line you cross on stage
385
00:25:06,069 --> 00:25:09,319
where you sort of go beyond being aware
386
00:25:12,753 --> 00:25:15,379
of what's going on so much as just
387
00:25:15,379 --> 00:25:18,546
you're not thinking any more about it.
388
00:25:22,121 --> 00:25:23,758
- As soon as he's played two notes
389
00:25:23,758 --> 00:25:24,933
you knew it was Rowland Howard.
390
00:25:24,933 --> 00:25:27,107
There was just a kind
of combination of pedals
391
00:25:27,107 --> 00:25:32,107
and guitar and the way he played
and that defined the sound.
392
00:25:32,822 --> 00:25:36,475
- There was certainly a way of releasing
393
00:25:36,475 --> 00:25:39,142
a lot of anger and emotions that
394
00:25:40,551 --> 00:25:44,015
I had no other way of releasing.
395
00:25:44,015 --> 00:25:45,191
- You wouldn't have thought Rowly
396
00:25:45,191 --> 00:25:49,626
would be the one to give
them some kind of rawness
397
00:25:49,626 --> 00:25:52,615
because people would have thought of him
398
00:25:52,615 --> 00:25:56,110
as the delicate flower and
them as the manly types.
399
00:25:56,110 --> 00:25:57,282
- It's almost like The Boys Next Door
400
00:25:57,282 --> 00:26:01,032
sound sort of morphed
around Rowland's guitar
401
00:26:03,403 --> 00:26:05,256
and then they sort of became one.
402
00:26:05,256 --> 00:26:08,868
- Suddenly all bets were
off and they scampered
403
00:26:08,868 --> 00:26:11,391
down in a different direction.
404
00:26:11,391 --> 00:26:14,666
- One of our records is
kind of half recorded
405
00:26:14,666 --> 00:26:16,117
somewhere and the Rowland had joined
406
00:26:16,117 --> 00:26:17,667
and the other half was recorded.
407
00:26:17,667 --> 00:26:20,146
And there's this kind of gulf between
408
00:26:20,146 --> 00:26:23,699
what we were and what we were
with Rowland in the band.
409
00:26:23,699 --> 00:26:25,934
- They were signed to Mushroom
when I joined the band.
410
00:26:25,934 --> 00:26:28,339
After I joined the band
nobody from Mushroom
411
00:26:28,339 --> 00:26:31,172
ever ame to see us which was nice.
412
00:26:32,196 --> 00:26:33,487
- When we went and worked with Tony
413
00:26:33,487 --> 00:26:36,274
on the recordings that became the side B
414
00:26:36,274 --> 00:26:38,114
it was pretty much like
the band in the studio
415
00:26:38,114 --> 00:26:40,160
with an engineer who was actually
416
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,419
the craziest member of the band.
417
00:26:42,419 --> 00:26:44,061
- So they just turned up at the studio
418
00:26:44,061 --> 00:26:45,596
Richmond Recorders where I just
419
00:26:45,596 --> 00:26:48,346
happened to be the house engineer
420
00:26:52,195 --> 00:26:53,644
and the rest is history as they say.
421
00:26:53,644 --> 00:26:55,644
- He was just fantastic.
422
00:27:00,750 --> 00:27:02,862
- It was to do with using effects
423
00:27:02,862 --> 00:27:05,131
in a way that no one else had used them.
424
00:27:05,131 --> 00:27:06,782
Like plugging things into each other
425
00:27:06,782 --> 00:27:09,137
that probably shouldn't
be plugged into each other
426
00:27:09,137 --> 00:27:11,608
and causing all sorts of feedback
427
00:27:11,608 --> 00:27:13,657
and chaos and things like that.
428
00:27:13,657 --> 00:27:16,824
I suggested using some corrugated iron
429
00:27:17,949 --> 00:27:19,824
to surround his amp and therefore
430
00:27:19,824 --> 00:27:21,885
put contact mics on that.
431
00:27:21,885 --> 00:27:24,479
He loved the idea of that
song The Friend Catcher
432
00:27:24,479 --> 00:27:28,686
where he basically did
a guitar in one take
433
00:27:28,686 --> 00:27:30,353
without really touching the guitar
434
00:27:30,353 --> 00:27:31,973
which is something I'd never seen before.
435
00:27:31,973 --> 00:27:33,485
He had it all feeding back so it
436
00:27:33,485 --> 00:27:35,272
was just this constant noise.
437
00:27:35,272 --> 00:27:36,501
And every time he hit one of the
438
00:27:36,501 --> 00:27:39,168
switches the noise just changed.
439
00:27:40,332 --> 00:27:44,582
It would go deep it would
go high it was symphonic.
440
00:27:47,377 --> 00:27:50,627
(guitar reverberation)
441
00:27:54,422 --> 00:27:56,839
(rock music)
442
00:28:01,703 --> 00:28:03,006
- He was one of the first guitarists
443
00:28:03,006 --> 00:28:05,732
that I didn't know what was going on.
444
00:28:05,732 --> 00:28:06,690
- He sounded totally unique I had
445
00:28:06,690 --> 00:28:08,651
no idea where he was coming from.
446
00:28:08,651 --> 00:28:12,390
- When I heard these guitar songs...
447
00:28:12,390 --> 00:28:13,726
- He was like a guitar hero when there was
448
00:28:13,726 --> 00:28:16,378
there was no guitar heroes.
449
00:28:16,378 --> 00:28:19,406
- Rowland's guitar playing it was not
450
00:28:19,406 --> 00:28:21,989
gently whipping it was hurting.
451
00:28:21,989 --> 00:28:23,015
- It was like some weird science fiction
452
00:28:23,015 --> 00:28:24,594
character playing guitar.
453
00:28:24,594 --> 00:28:25,427
- When we first heard that it
454
00:28:25,427 --> 00:28:26,872
sounded like came from outer space.
455
00:28:26,872 --> 00:28:28,786
- The more I listen to it I realised
456
00:28:28,786 --> 00:28:33,065
all these sort of different
degrees of subtlety.
457
00:28:33,065 --> 00:28:34,588
- Who's the guy who plays that guitar?
458
00:28:34,588 --> 00:28:39,514
It has to be him, he looks
like that guitar sounds.
459
00:28:39,514 --> 00:28:40,858
- You could tell how sensitive he was
460
00:28:40,858 --> 00:28:43,454
just by the nature of
the sounds he created.
461
00:28:43,454 --> 00:28:46,631
- This spectral man suffering from malaria
462
00:28:46,631 --> 00:28:50,298
Rambo pulled from Africa
and given a guitar.
463
00:28:51,271 --> 00:28:54,771
(experimental rock music)
464
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,331
- Rowland for a long
time kind of hung around
465
00:29:24,331 --> 00:29:27,305
with me at Saints gigs
and Radio Birdman gigs
466
00:29:27,305 --> 00:29:29,707
and stuff like that.
467
00:29:29,707 --> 00:29:32,088
And had this perception of me as being
468
00:29:32,088 --> 00:29:34,588
really inarticulate and a punk
469
00:29:35,614 --> 00:29:36,960
or something like that.
470
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,543
And he was kind of impressed by
471
00:29:41,456 --> 00:29:45,123
the kind of idiot savant
aspect of my nature
472
00:29:46,909 --> 00:29:48,444
of which I still carry around,
473
00:29:48,444 --> 00:29:50,373
except I've forgotten the savant bit.
474
00:29:50,373 --> 00:29:54,373
Anyway he was kind of I
think slightly depressed
475
00:30:00,349 --> 00:30:02,944
and disillusioned when
he came over to my house
476
00:30:02,944 --> 00:30:06,176
and found a whole lot of
Dostoyevski books on my shelf
477
00:30:06,176 --> 00:30:09,009
he was going "you read this stuff?
478
00:30:10,093 --> 00:30:12,661
"I thought you were for real".
479
00:30:12,661 --> 00:30:15,629
The English language is one of the most
480
00:30:15,629 --> 00:30:18,503
versatile in the world and has such
481
00:30:18,503 --> 00:30:21,753
an enormous history because it's spoken
482
00:30:22,648 --> 00:30:25,576
in so many countries
there are so many words
483
00:30:25,576 --> 00:30:28,743
and so many variations and slang words
484
00:30:34,321 --> 00:30:36,821
and ambiguities involved in it
485
00:30:37,785 --> 00:30:41,535
and it just sounds really
good when it's sung
486
00:30:42,572 --> 00:30:46,311
there's lots of good
words that you can sing
487
00:30:46,311 --> 00:30:49,394
like ectoplasmic and stuff like that.
488
00:30:52,026 --> 00:30:56,276
- We were definitely into
the same sorts of things.
489
00:30:57,838 --> 00:31:01,088
Left field literature, that Dadaists...
490
00:31:02,823 --> 00:31:05,573
He himself was a huge Duchamp guy
491
00:31:08,208 --> 00:31:10,708
much more than I was actually.
492
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:13,788
Alfred Jarry.
493
00:31:13,788 --> 00:31:16,788
- Nick and I were heavily influenced
494
00:31:17,660 --> 00:31:20,577
by that type of thing and obviously
495
00:31:21,517 --> 00:31:25,916
the idea of having some
kind of school of thought
496
00:31:25,916 --> 00:31:28,337
approach is a very attractive one.
497
00:31:28,337 --> 00:31:30,920
- This had a big influence over
498
00:31:32,138 --> 00:31:35,803
what he did lyrically I
think for a long time.
499
00:31:35,803 --> 00:31:37,772
And it had a influence over what I did
500
00:31:37,772 --> 00:31:39,399
lyrically for a shorter time.
501
00:31:39,399 --> 00:31:42,733
I kinda went off onto
another tangent completely.
502
00:31:42,733 --> 00:31:44,782
- When I was in The Birthday Party
503
00:31:44,782 --> 00:31:46,909
and to a lesser extent with Crime
504
00:31:46,909 --> 00:31:50,377
I had to learn how to write songs
505
00:31:50,377 --> 00:31:52,960
that were capable of being used
506
00:31:54,990 --> 00:31:57,511
as a vehicle by other people.
507
00:31:57,511 --> 00:32:00,844
So I had to stop writing songs that were
508
00:32:04,456 --> 00:32:07,876
directly from my heart and start writing
509
00:32:07,876 --> 00:32:10,793
things that were far more ambiguous
510
00:32:11,892 --> 00:32:15,592
and could be interpreted by somebody else
511
00:32:15,592 --> 00:32:17,824
as something that they
wanted i.e. Nick Cave
512
00:32:17,824 --> 00:32:21,351
as to something that
he wanted to represent.
513
00:32:21,351 --> 00:32:23,129
- And he continued to write I think,
514
00:32:23,129 --> 00:32:25,879
these absurdist styles lyrically.
515
00:32:29,151 --> 00:32:32,455
Songs increasingly so
actually as the band went on
516
00:32:32,455 --> 00:32:37,455
with kind of quirky guitar
lines and absurdist lyrics.
517
00:32:37,677 --> 00:32:39,955
- I found that I'd actually forgotten
518
00:32:39,955 --> 00:32:42,054
how to go about writing more than
519
00:32:42,054 --> 00:32:45,707
a couple of songs every year that were
520
00:32:45,707 --> 00:32:49,362
Rowland Howard songs that express--
521
00:32:49,362 --> 00:32:51,044
(woman yells)
522
00:32:51,044 --> 00:32:51,988
- Me.
523
00:32:51,988 --> 00:32:54,134
- I became aware of his lyric writing
524
00:32:54,134 --> 00:32:57,049
when begrudgingly The Birthday Party
525
00:32:57,049 --> 00:32:59,748
seemed to do a Rowland song now and then.
526
00:32:59,748 --> 00:33:01,747
And it was very different lyrically
527
00:33:01,747 --> 00:33:03,677
than what Nick Cave was putting across.
528
00:33:03,677 --> 00:33:06,940
They always seemed to
be very very romantic.
529
00:33:06,940 --> 00:33:09,648
Like heart not only bleeding but kind of
530
00:33:09,648 --> 00:33:14,101
stabbed in several places
and bleeding horribly.
531
00:33:14,101 --> 00:33:15,596
- When I'm writing about certain things
532
00:33:15,596 --> 00:33:17,755
particularly subjects that are
533
00:33:17,755 --> 00:33:20,838
of emotional intensity it's very hard
534
00:33:24,704 --> 00:33:27,689
to write down all these words about
535
00:33:27,689 --> 00:33:31,880
how appealingly tragic
your life is (mumbles)
536
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,213
it's hard to take seriously.
537
00:33:35,128 --> 00:33:37,545
Obviously humour is a defence.
538
00:33:39,014 --> 00:33:41,847
(distorted music)
539
00:33:57,110 --> 00:34:00,718
- Really heroin amongst
the St. Kilda crowd
540
00:34:00,718 --> 00:34:03,326
was the drug of choice it was cheap,
541
00:34:03,326 --> 00:34:04,940
it was freely available,
542
00:34:04,940 --> 00:34:07,523
it was all over St. Kilda here.
543
00:34:09,926 --> 00:34:11,115
And it was strong.
544
00:34:11,115 --> 00:34:13,203
- Friends of ours were
doing it and we happened to
545
00:34:13,203 --> 00:34:16,291
be there at one night when
they said "do you want some?"
546
00:34:16,291 --> 00:34:20,162
And we just did it,
you know no notion that
547
00:34:20,162 --> 00:34:24,034
it would ever be something in our lives.
548
00:34:24,034 --> 00:34:26,690
- It was very very gradual before people
549
00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:29,821
started to realise that they were actually
550
00:34:29,821 --> 00:34:31,238
thinking about it all the time and it
551
00:34:31,238 --> 00:34:34,489
started to become a daily occurrence.
552
00:34:34,489 --> 00:34:39,072
And then it sort of took over
to a really large degree.
553
00:34:50,381 --> 00:34:54,464
♪ Insect, insect, insect, insect ♪
554
00:35:00,288 --> 00:35:03,505
- We had this utterly demented idea
555
00:35:03,505 --> 00:35:07,348
that people on the other side of the world
556
00:35:07,348 --> 00:35:12,176
had superior taste than
the people that lived here.
557
00:35:12,176 --> 00:35:15,163
- We bought one way tickets
and we went to England.
558
00:35:15,163 --> 00:35:19,153
- Nick and I wrote this
song called Happy Birthday
559
00:35:19,153 --> 00:35:22,486
and it was originally
called The Birthday Party
560
00:35:22,486 --> 00:35:25,286
and we thought that would
be a good name for the band.
561
00:35:25,286 --> 00:35:29,536
- We ended up there under
really bad circumstances.
562
00:35:34,348 --> 00:35:38,440
- It was just incredibly
difficult for the first year.
563
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,848
- Like 10 people living
in a one bedroom flat.
564
00:35:42,848 --> 00:35:47,848
- We all stayed there I think
with our various girlfriends.
565
00:35:47,894 --> 00:35:52,894
(Nick the Stripper by
The Birthday Party plays)
566
00:35:56,188 --> 00:35:58,636
- Taking me to this very dark squat
567
00:35:58,636 --> 00:36:01,826
see the candles burning here and there
568
00:36:01,826 --> 00:36:04,797
and someone would kind of flitter past
569
00:36:04,797 --> 00:36:07,034
that was Anita and then somebody else
570
00:36:07,034 --> 00:36:08,554
saying hi and looking down.
571
00:36:08,554 --> 00:36:11,804
It was just a really weird little scene
572
00:36:13,687 --> 00:36:16,446
the drug thing was all happening.
573
00:36:16,446 --> 00:36:17,862
- It was quite a struggle 'cause we had
574
00:36:17,862 --> 00:36:19,504
to really start from scratch again.
575
00:36:19,504 --> 00:36:21,434
- And none of us had any money
576
00:36:21,434 --> 00:36:24,934
and I got malnutrition it was pretty ugly.
577
00:36:28,174 --> 00:36:30,408
- Rowland took London personally
578
00:36:30,408 --> 00:36:34,741
like as if someone had built
it to make him unhappy.
579
00:36:38,312 --> 00:36:40,790
But he may well have taken
the world in that way.
580
00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:42,168
- Germaine Greer had said this thing
581
00:36:42,168 --> 00:36:44,727
the in Australia you
never feel so lonely as
582
00:36:44,727 --> 00:36:46,958
the first year or so of living in England,
583
00:36:46,958 --> 00:36:48,567
I'd never felt so Australian.
584
00:36:48,567 --> 00:36:52,148
- We went from being
big fish in a tiny pond
585
00:36:52,148 --> 00:36:55,815
to being frog spawn in
an ocean, it was bad.
586
00:36:58,299 --> 00:37:02,939
- Somehow we'd gone from
whatever we were in Australia
587
00:37:02,939 --> 00:37:06,522
on that plane trip once
we landed in London
588
00:37:10,594 --> 00:37:14,207
and we kind of absorbed
the massive disappointment
589
00:37:14,207 --> 00:37:17,874
of our situation and
the absolutely retarded
590
00:37:19,570 --> 00:37:23,498
bands that were playing
there at that time.
591
00:37:23,498 --> 00:37:26,338
They were nothing like we
thought they were gonna be like.
592
00:37:26,338 --> 00:37:29,516
- Suddenly there a surge
of very shiny new pop
593
00:37:29,516 --> 00:37:31,982
with synthesisers and suddenly it was
594
00:37:31,982 --> 00:37:34,476
Boy George and Haircut One Hundred
595
00:37:34,476 --> 00:37:36,970
and Spandau fucking Ballet.
596
00:37:36,970 --> 00:37:39,220
- It was really shoe gazing
597
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,499
bullshit that was going on there.
598
00:37:45,499 --> 00:37:48,457
- But the NME got it
wrong and went with this.
599
00:37:48,457 --> 00:37:51,082
I remember distinctly reading certain
600
00:37:51,082 --> 00:37:53,356
people who shall remain nameless
601
00:37:53,356 --> 00:37:55,664
and they embraced it and it was all
602
00:37:55,664 --> 00:37:57,831
cocktails and foppishness.
603
00:37:58,912 --> 00:38:00,215
And I think The Birthday Party was seen
604
00:38:00,215 --> 00:38:03,298
as somehow old fashioned and rockiest
605
00:38:04,581 --> 00:38:05,857
was the term that they used.
606
00:38:05,857 --> 00:38:08,690
- There was a review of one of our
607
00:38:09,824 --> 00:38:13,219
records I think actually, the first record
608
00:38:13,219 --> 00:38:16,136
that said obviously we'd spent time
609
00:38:19,224 --> 00:38:22,022
out on the Nullabor with the natives
610
00:38:22,022 --> 00:38:25,575
or the Aboriginals this
was kind of serious.
611
00:38:25,575 --> 00:38:27,897
- We found it rather sick making and
612
00:38:27,897 --> 00:38:30,708
decided that we really had to take out
613
00:38:30,708 --> 00:38:34,118
the metaphorical mallet and hit
614
00:38:34,118 --> 00:38:36,539
our audience over the head with it
615
00:38:36,539 --> 00:38:38,279
to achieve some kind of reaction.
616
00:38:38,279 --> 00:38:42,029
(The Birthday Party playing)
617
00:38:53,282 --> 00:38:56,938
- Epic, grotesque, bizarre, strange,
618
00:38:56,938 --> 00:38:59,356
wonderful, funny characters on stage.
619
00:38:59,356 --> 00:39:02,631
- The rawness and the singularity of what
620
00:39:02,631 --> 00:39:05,286
everyone was doing like
Tracey Pew's bass sound
621
00:39:05,286 --> 00:39:09,464
it's just so on it's own
and Rowland never really
622
00:39:09,464 --> 00:39:12,375
integrates into the bass
he just sits on top.
623
00:39:12,375 --> 00:39:13,473
- One thing The Birthday Party
624
00:39:13,473 --> 00:39:15,723
had was tension, in spades.
625
00:39:17,162 --> 00:39:20,579
- We went to New York in 1981 and the NME
626
00:39:21,539 --> 00:39:25,266
sent a journalist, Barney
Hoskins along with us.
627
00:39:25,266 --> 00:39:27,152
I myself had always
thought that New York would
628
00:39:27,152 --> 00:39:31,255
be a fairly sophisticated
blase sort of place.
629
00:39:31,255 --> 00:39:32,589
And we did our first show and got
630
00:39:32,589 --> 00:39:35,172
thrown off stage in 10 minutes.
631
00:39:35,172 --> 00:39:38,755
And I just thought my
god this is all wrong
632
00:39:41,537 --> 00:39:44,537
we've been playing Australia in RSLs
633
00:39:47,468 --> 00:39:49,583
and a hundred miles out of Sydney
634
00:39:49,583 --> 00:39:51,312
and we don't get thrown off stage.
635
00:39:51,312 --> 00:39:53,168
And here we are in New York and we've
636
00:39:53,168 --> 00:39:56,668
had the power turned off after 10 minutes.
637
00:39:57,645 --> 00:40:02,145
Then we did our next gig and
this is the literal truth
638
00:40:04,895 --> 00:40:07,985
one person came and that was a Polish girl
639
00:40:07,985 --> 00:40:09,535
I'd met the night before and I said
640
00:40:09,535 --> 00:40:11,554
I'd put her on the guest list.
641
00:40:11,554 --> 00:40:15,583
And then the next gig
we did was at The Ritz
642
00:40:15,583 --> 00:40:19,000
which is this really big mafia style club
643
00:40:20,699 --> 00:40:23,544
and they let us play for
15 minutes before they
644
00:40:23,544 --> 00:40:25,588
threw us off stage because they said
645
00:40:25,588 --> 00:40:28,888
that we were trying to incite a riot.
646
00:40:28,888 --> 00:40:30,984
So we'd done three gigs in New York
647
00:40:30,984 --> 00:40:34,837
and played for approximately 25 minutes.
648
00:40:34,837 --> 00:40:37,913
It was really fantastic, it was just great
649
00:40:37,913 --> 00:40:40,596
to have that feeling that you were
650
00:40:40,596 --> 00:40:43,319
capable of upsetting people so much
651
00:40:43,319 --> 00:40:46,702
by the time we'd reached Chicago or LA
652
00:40:46,702 --> 00:40:49,455
we were playing to really packed clubs.
653
00:40:49,455 --> 00:40:51,759
We played The Ritz and
they thought we were
654
00:40:51,759 --> 00:40:56,509
gonna 'cause a riot and they
escorted us off the premises
655
00:40:57,650 --> 00:41:01,563
with a team of bouncers because we were so
656
00:41:01,563 --> 00:41:04,377
huge and muscular and threatening.
657
00:41:04,377 --> 00:41:07,554
- I think they played again
and there was like 2000 people.
658
00:41:07,554 --> 00:41:10,396
And I remember walking up and seeing
659
00:41:10,396 --> 00:41:12,820
the queue go right round the block
660
00:41:12,820 --> 00:41:15,023
and I just thought this is gonna take off
661
00:41:15,023 --> 00:41:17,690
beyond even their comprehension.
662
00:41:18,561 --> 00:41:20,662
- Things would happen and they
663
00:41:20,662 --> 00:41:22,533
would influence us to the extent
664
00:41:22,533 --> 00:41:24,142
that we would reaCt against them
665
00:41:24,142 --> 00:41:26,578
because we usually found them to be
666
00:41:26,578 --> 00:41:29,161
so lacking in any kind of power
667
00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:35,846
in the emotion and things
that were being portrayed
668
00:41:35,846 --> 00:41:39,013
and that drove us on towards trying to
669
00:41:41,123 --> 00:41:44,662
make things that were a lot more intense.
670
00:41:44,662 --> 00:41:47,562
- We changed hugely and our live shows
671
00:41:47,562 --> 00:41:50,062
became highly confrontational.
672
00:41:53,536 --> 00:41:57,286
(The Birthday Party playing)
673
00:42:09,718 --> 00:42:11,821
- The more we stuck,
ourselves out on a limb
674
00:42:11,821 --> 00:42:14,654
and the more we tend to be abusive
675
00:42:15,908 --> 00:42:19,040
towards particularly the English
676
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:23,390
people in populous, the
more popular we became.
677
00:42:23,390 --> 00:42:25,409
Once we'd finally quit their country
678
00:42:25,409 --> 00:42:28,657
saying that it was a sinking ship
679
00:42:28,657 --> 00:42:30,513
that we were sick of supporting
680
00:42:30,513 --> 00:42:33,308
we became hugely popular.
681
00:42:33,308 --> 00:42:36,058
It was really bizarre in the fact
682
00:42:39,022 --> 00:42:41,939
that insults came back as bouquets.
683
00:42:46,764 --> 00:42:51,067
(The Birthday Party playing)
684
00:42:51,067 --> 00:42:53,925
- They were like exorcisms,
personal exorcisms.
685
00:42:53,925 --> 00:42:55,464
- They sometimes seemed to be on the verge
686
00:42:55,464 --> 00:42:59,131
of chaos but never quite
falling into chaos.
687
00:43:02,915 --> 00:43:05,686
(Birthday party continues playing)
688
00:43:05,686 --> 00:43:08,440
- They were very very
powerful and exciting
689
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,313
and the sound they made was horrendous.
690
00:43:10,313 --> 00:43:12,747
- Totally feral and
totally out of control.
691
00:43:12,747 --> 00:43:13,623
- I'd never seen a group that was
692
00:43:13,623 --> 00:43:15,260
so filled with contempt for their own.
693
00:43:15,260 --> 00:43:17,509
- I'm not gonna say scary but...
694
00:43:17,509 --> 00:43:22,509
(The Birthday Party playing
experimental rock and screaming)
695
00:44:02,135 --> 00:44:05,682
♪ Want some more regrets ♪
696
00:44:05,682 --> 00:44:10,682
♪ That we have to kill ♪
697
00:44:11,622 --> 00:44:13,539
♪ Then ♪
698
00:44:14,938 --> 00:44:18,355
- We had an enormous amount of hubris and
699
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,067
we were firmly convinced that we
700
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:29,869
were certainly as good as it got.
701
00:44:30,977 --> 00:44:34,310
- It was for them unheard of that anyone
702
00:44:36,557 --> 00:44:38,022
from Australia would be coming
703
00:44:38,022 --> 00:44:41,537
and playing music and doing shows
704
00:44:41,537 --> 00:44:43,704
that put a great swathe of
705
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,800
English bands into really bad light.
706
00:44:51,341 --> 00:44:53,008
We were just better.
707
00:44:56,157 --> 00:44:57,574
And they knew it.
708
00:45:10,886 --> 00:45:15,886
♪ Some velvet morning when I'm straight ♪
709
00:45:19,237 --> 00:45:24,237
♪ I'm gonna open up your gate ♪
710
00:45:27,386 --> 00:45:32,386
♪ And maybe tell you 'bout Phaedra ♪
711
00:45:33,218 --> 00:45:36,928
♪ And how she gave me life ♪
712
00:45:36,928 --> 00:45:41,408
♪ And how she made it in ♪
713
00:45:41,408 --> 00:45:43,864
♪ Some velvet morning-- ♪
714
00:45:43,864 --> 00:45:47,353
- When we played in Phoenix, Arizona
715
00:45:47,353 --> 00:45:49,469
we played Some Velvet Morning we finished
716
00:45:49,469 --> 00:45:51,689
the song and this boy who
was standing up the front
717
00:45:51,689 --> 00:45:56,309
said, "hey you know Lee
Hazlewood lives in this town"
718
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:59,052
and I just went oh my god.
719
00:45:59,052 --> 00:46:00,973
And he goes, "yeah I run this record store
720
00:46:00,973 --> 00:46:03,473
"and he comes in all the time"
721
00:46:05,544 --> 00:46:06,849
and it was just frightening for me
722
00:46:06,849 --> 00:46:09,669
because he's about as close as I come to
723
00:46:09,669 --> 00:46:13,086
having an idol 'cause I think he's one of
724
00:46:14,017 --> 00:46:16,584
the greatest song writers
that's ever existed.
725
00:46:16,584 --> 00:46:20,409
- The doorbell rings and it's Lydia Lunch.
726
00:46:20,409 --> 00:46:23,333
And she swans up the stairs and she's
727
00:46:23,333 --> 00:46:27,333
all curves and sex on
legs and actually asked me
728
00:46:29,407 --> 00:46:31,732
if I would go out for a while so
729
00:46:31,732 --> 00:46:34,269
that she could talk to Rowland.
730
00:46:34,269 --> 00:46:38,602
And much to my continual
bemusement I actually went.
731
00:46:40,717 --> 00:46:43,013
- I had nothing to lose so why not leave
732
00:46:43,013 --> 00:46:45,651
whatever it was I didn't have behind
733
00:46:45,651 --> 00:46:49,401
and go to London to
pursue Rowland S. Howard.
734
00:46:50,330 --> 00:46:53,409
- Rowland's vibe as a
singer and a guitar player
735
00:46:53,409 --> 00:46:55,225
I thought was really successful the
736
00:46:55,225 --> 00:46:56,797
way he teamed up with Lydia.
737
00:46:56,797 --> 00:46:59,547
- We just felt an immediate bond.
738
00:47:01,042 --> 00:47:05,769
- What made you record These
Boots Were Made For Walking?
739
00:47:05,769 --> 00:47:06,852
- Um Rowland.
740
00:47:08,753 --> 00:47:10,895
- They're almost like folk songs
741
00:47:10,895 --> 00:47:13,416
and that's why I think of Lee Hazlewood
742
00:47:13,416 --> 00:47:16,465
songs in particular they have a quality
743
00:47:16,465 --> 00:47:18,805
about them that doesn't pin in
744
00:47:18,805 --> 00:47:21,305
any sphere of time whatsoever.
745
00:47:24,384 --> 00:47:25,714
- Especially with Some Velvet Morning
746
00:47:25,714 --> 00:47:27,249
which is such a perverse song anyway,
747
00:47:27,249 --> 00:47:29,450
Lee Hazlewood being such
a perverse songwriter
748
00:47:29,450 --> 00:47:33,337
an American classic of the weirdest order.
749
00:47:33,337 --> 00:47:34,170
♪ Some velvet morning when I'm straight ♪
750
00:47:34,170 --> 00:47:35,003
♪ Flowers growing on the hill ♪
751
00:47:35,003 --> 00:47:38,670
♪ Dragonflies and daffodils ♪
752
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,564
I was the magicians apprentice
753
00:47:59,564 --> 00:48:01,481
fuck I was 12 years old
754
00:48:02,488 --> 00:48:06,905
we were moving all the time
Melbourne, London, Berlin
755
00:48:08,384 --> 00:48:10,717
I was his psychotic sidekick
756
00:48:12,376 --> 00:48:15,293
the boy wonder to Modos masked man.
757
00:48:18,044 --> 00:48:21,711
(speaking foreign language)
758
00:48:22,768 --> 00:48:25,184
- We went to Berlin and were kind of
759
00:48:25,184 --> 00:48:27,644
received with open arms into this
760
00:48:27,644 --> 00:48:29,880
community of people that actually
761
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,668
on some level reminded us of Melbourne.
762
00:48:32,668 --> 00:48:36,668
It was frenetic and
anarchic and really creative
763
00:48:38,848 --> 00:48:41,848
that didn't have the same prejudices
764
00:48:45,316 --> 00:48:48,066
and the kind of superior way that
765
00:48:52,124 --> 00:48:54,600
the British had about our band.
766
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,683
- Berlin the mid 80s that
was a very long story.
767
00:48:59,769 --> 00:49:02,005
I was gone for eight years from Berlin
768
00:49:02,005 --> 00:49:04,168
I lived in America and I returned
769
00:49:04,168 --> 00:49:05,001
in 84
770
00:49:07,588 --> 00:49:09,640
and came back to a different city.
771
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,360
It was a very exciting moment
in the history of Berlin.
772
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,595
It was a very lively music scene
773
00:49:15,595 --> 00:49:17,515
and especially this bunch of Australians
774
00:49:17,515 --> 00:49:19,946
who landed from a
different planet in Berlin.
775
00:49:19,946 --> 00:49:24,696
- Their appearance almost
changed everything in the scene.
776
00:49:25,708 --> 00:49:28,691
Clothes and how to behave and talk
777
00:49:28,691 --> 00:49:31,024
and walk even and look like.
778
00:49:32,712 --> 00:49:34,692
Everyone had that spiky hair
779
00:49:34,692 --> 00:49:36,964
all of a sudden and pointy shoes.
780
00:49:36,964 --> 00:49:39,432
- They looked always like birds to me
781
00:49:39,432 --> 00:49:40,528
especially in the Winter.
782
00:49:40,528 --> 00:49:44,778
Berlin has this incredible
amount of Siberian crows
783
00:49:48,268 --> 00:49:50,728
they come in the thousands and they live
784
00:49:50,728 --> 00:49:52,572
in Berlin during the Winter and sometimes
785
00:49:52,572 --> 00:49:56,324
the sky was dark with these black crows
786
00:49:56,324 --> 00:50:00,824
and of course from all that (mumbles)
787
00:50:02,892 --> 00:50:06,432
I don't think anybody wore
any other colour than black.
788
00:50:06,432 --> 00:50:09,448
And they had this vampirish life
789
00:50:09,448 --> 00:50:11,156
as soon as daylight came up they were gone
790
00:50:11,156 --> 00:50:15,073
and when the sun went
down they showed up again.
791
00:50:16,136 --> 00:50:19,856
- The war was around and it was a tight
792
00:50:19,856 --> 00:50:24,310
group of people and they
all took more or less speed.
793
00:50:24,310 --> 00:50:27,536
Whereas the Melbourne crowd they brought
794
00:50:27,536 --> 00:50:30,088
over the heroin into the music scene.
795
00:50:30,088 --> 00:50:32,024
- There was a hush when
they showed up somewhere.
796
00:50:32,024 --> 00:50:36,748
They were really big, they were
the biggest thing in Berlin.
797
00:50:36,748 --> 00:50:39,370
- [Woman] The Birthday
Party were the cool boys
798
00:50:39,370 --> 00:50:41,336
of Berlin for a while and all the
799
00:50:41,336 --> 00:50:42,912
girls wanted to sleep with them
800
00:50:42,912 --> 00:50:44,264
all the German girls.
801
00:50:44,264 --> 00:50:47,876
- Rowland was an important
figure for Berliners at the time.
802
00:50:47,876 --> 00:50:50,412
He made legendary sounds and had this
803
00:50:50,412 --> 00:50:53,428
strange stagger on the stage.
804
00:50:53,428 --> 00:50:56,204
He was our Geoffrey Pearson,
805
00:50:56,204 --> 00:50:58,724
we all thought he was even better.
806
00:50:58,724 --> 00:51:00,836
I met him quite often standing at a bar
807
00:51:00,836 --> 00:51:03,713
in some of these clubs after the show.
808
00:51:03,713 --> 00:51:07,708
But he was not talkative,
Rowland was not talkative.
809
00:51:07,708 --> 00:51:11,156
- Lydia Lunch was making a record and we
810
00:51:11,156 --> 00:51:14,352
went into this studio
called Thomas Funk Studios
811
00:51:14,352 --> 00:51:16,856
in Berlin and there was Blixer all wrapped
812
00:51:16,856 --> 00:51:19,062
up in his rubber suit with his seatbelt
813
00:51:19,062 --> 00:51:22,225
like a beauty queen from another planet.
814
00:51:22,225 --> 00:51:24,431
Nick had made sort of best friends with
815
00:51:24,431 --> 00:51:26,573
Blixer and they were hanging around
816
00:51:26,573 --> 00:51:31,392
and all of a sudden Rowland
was just on the out.
817
00:51:31,392 --> 00:51:36,392
- I think Rowland always felt
he wasn't being appreciated.
818
00:51:36,672 --> 00:51:38,258
I think he felt as a guitar player he was
819
00:51:38,258 --> 00:51:39,880
but as a song writer et cetera.
820
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,000
- His songs were getting very often into
821
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,580
a place that didn't really
suit the band all the time.
822
00:51:45,580 --> 00:51:48,654
- Nick is a very
competitive sort of fellow.
823
00:51:48,654 --> 00:51:52,404
Rowland'd sort of probably
was quite precious
824
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,904
about the way he wanted his songs.
825
00:51:56,904 --> 00:51:58,644
- We started going in
a different direction
826
00:51:58,644 --> 00:52:01,720
lyrically, my lyrical style changed.
827
00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:02,980
- I don't think it was that comfortable
828
00:52:02,980 --> 00:52:05,484
for Nick singing his songs because they
829
00:52:05,484 --> 00:52:07,436
were about subject matter and so forth
830
00:52:07,436 --> 00:52:10,224
that Nick was away from at the time.
831
00:52:10,224 --> 00:52:11,904
- It came to a point where I think
832
00:52:11,904 --> 00:52:14,410
Rowland was really hurt and so he
833
00:52:14,410 --> 00:52:17,620
stopped attending meetings or when wages
834
00:52:17,620 --> 00:52:20,396
were being done would turn up after
835
00:52:20,396 --> 00:52:22,104
the others had left or before the others.
836
00:52:22,104 --> 00:52:23,104
It was hard.
837
00:52:24,024 --> 00:52:27,053
- I think it started
being difficult for him
838
00:52:27,053 --> 00:52:29,970
to feel fully realised in the band.
839
00:52:31,856 --> 00:52:35,381
- It came as a bit of a shock that nobody
840
00:52:35,381 --> 00:52:39,714
really vocalised at the
time until the last meeting.
841
00:52:41,514 --> 00:52:45,264
- He always thought of
them as a sort of gang
842
00:52:47,396 --> 00:52:51,396
it wasn't just music it
was everything, friends.
843
00:52:53,124 --> 00:52:57,055
And Rowly just couldn't
understand what he's done.
844
00:52:57,055 --> 00:53:00,722
- I just cannot sing
anymore of these songs.
845
00:53:02,416 --> 00:53:04,724
It's got to finish.
846
00:53:04,724 --> 00:53:07,980
- Basically a phone call I
remember from Nick Harvey
847
00:53:07,980 --> 00:53:10,813
who decided that it wasn't working
848
00:53:13,260 --> 00:53:14,940
or something wasn't
working within the group.
849
00:53:14,940 --> 00:53:18,420
Probably quite an astute
observation from him.
850
00:53:18,420 --> 00:53:22,648
- Rowland's response was
"I'm really surprised".
851
00:53:22,648 --> 00:53:24,076
And I said what are you surprised about?"
852
00:53:24,076 --> 00:53:26,940
And he said "I'm just surprised
you did it before me".
853
00:53:26,940 --> 00:53:28,304
- I was happy to go along with anything
854
00:53:28,304 --> 00:53:30,086
but it was like oh, all right.
855
00:53:30,086 --> 00:53:34,124
- Nick was very much like
that's a really good idea,
856
00:53:34,124 --> 00:53:37,380
that's a good idea I think that'd be good
857
00:53:37,380 --> 00:53:39,436
it's just the right thing to do
858
00:53:39,436 --> 00:53:40,860
it's kind of running out of steam.
859
00:53:40,860 --> 00:53:43,140
- We're no longer a
band and it was a shock
860
00:53:43,140 --> 00:53:44,624
it was a real shock.
861
00:53:44,624 --> 00:53:49,624
- When there's that huge sort
of investment in something
862
00:53:49,740 --> 00:53:53,683
and you're just in it
and you're in the present
863
00:53:53,683 --> 00:53:56,700
it's very barbaric that's what animals do
864
00:53:56,700 --> 00:53:58,320
they're just in the present and they have
865
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:02,261
no future and they don't
really care about the past.
866
00:54:02,261 --> 00:54:05,428
(slow guitar playing)
867
00:54:17,968 --> 00:54:20,128
It was the retraction of friendship
868
00:54:20,128 --> 00:54:22,680
or the retraction of warmth or
869
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:26,683
the lack of connection
that really hurt him.
870
00:54:26,683 --> 00:54:28,904
- To our minds we'd been procrastinating
871
00:54:28,904 --> 00:54:32,036
and not really achieving anything for ages
872
00:54:32,036 --> 00:54:34,416
but when I look back on it,
873
00:54:34,416 --> 00:54:38,074
it was literally about four months.
874
00:54:38,074 --> 00:54:41,185
The Birthday Party broke up within a month
875
00:54:41,185 --> 00:54:44,846
or was it two months,
Man Or Myth were playing
876
00:54:44,846 --> 00:54:47,104
here in Melbourne which
was The Birthday Party
877
00:54:47,104 --> 00:54:51,057
minus myself doing songs that I'd written
878
00:54:51,057 --> 00:54:53,557
which I found fairly appalling.
879
00:54:54,646 --> 00:54:58,304
And I was gotten fairly disillusioned
880
00:54:58,304 --> 00:55:00,032
with things for a long time and I sat
881
00:55:00,032 --> 00:55:01,734
around didn't do anything.
882
00:55:01,734 --> 00:55:04,586
Then one day Mick Harvey rang me up
883
00:55:04,586 --> 00:55:07,927
and he said words to the effect that
884
00:55:07,927 --> 00:55:10,937
I was wasting myself and he was shipping
885
00:55:10,937 --> 00:55:13,476
Simon Bonnett over in
a crate from Australia
886
00:55:13,476 --> 00:55:16,143
and would I like to play guitar?
887
00:55:18,446 --> 00:55:21,487
- [Man] Mick Harvey
and I had been enormous
888
00:55:21,487 --> 00:55:25,113
admirers of the two very
different incarnations
889
00:55:25,113 --> 00:55:27,946
of the group that happened before.
890
00:55:30,397 --> 00:55:32,442
- And then I started seeing two bands
891
00:55:32,442 --> 00:55:35,157
there was Nick And The Bad Seeds who
892
00:55:35,157 --> 00:55:38,148
have Blixa Bargeld as their guitar hero
893
00:55:38,148 --> 00:55:41,686
and there were Crime And City Solutions
894
00:55:41,686 --> 00:55:45,130
with Rowland as their guitar hero.
895
00:55:45,130 --> 00:55:47,067
And you would have thought it would have
896
00:55:47,067 --> 00:55:49,884
been a shame that Birthday Party was gone
897
00:55:49,884 --> 00:55:52,266
but actually it was twice as good.
898
00:55:52,266 --> 00:55:55,257
When I decided to make a
film in the city of Berlin
899
00:55:55,257 --> 00:55:59,174
sort of a tribute to
Berlin, portrait of Berlin
900
00:56:00,106 --> 00:56:03,988
really was the first
idea for Wings Of Desire.
901
00:56:03,988 --> 00:56:06,033
And for a while I didn't
have any characters
902
00:56:06,033 --> 00:56:08,835
was just looking for
characters to allow me
903
00:56:08,835 --> 00:56:12,073
to show the city in the widest sense.
904
00:56:12,073 --> 00:56:13,965
Until I found my guardian angels.
905
00:56:13,965 --> 00:56:15,804
But one thing was clear from the beginning
906
00:56:15,804 --> 00:56:18,954
both The Bad Seeds and
Crime And City Solution
907
00:56:18,954 --> 00:56:20,494
had to be in that movie because
908
00:56:20,494 --> 00:56:22,293
musically that's where Berlin was.
909
00:56:22,293 --> 00:56:24,764
And from behind the band all of a sudden
910
00:56:24,764 --> 00:56:26,496
Rowland was the key
character because he was
911
00:56:26,496 --> 00:56:29,296
staggering in front of the camera
912
00:56:29,296 --> 00:56:31,694
and I watched him more than anything else.
913
00:56:31,694 --> 00:56:33,861
It was sort of choreographed the scene
914
00:56:33,861 --> 00:56:36,804
with Rowland and his stagger.
915
00:56:36,804 --> 00:56:38,638
In hindsight Simon was
a little disappointed
916
00:56:38,638 --> 00:56:41,107
we were not enough on him.
917
00:56:41,107 --> 00:56:43,114
- It was really nice having the band
918
00:56:43,114 --> 00:56:46,044
captured on film by the man who'd
919
00:56:46,044 --> 00:56:48,508
filmed Beauty And The Beast it was great.
920
00:56:48,508 --> 00:56:50,034
And I think it works far better
921
00:56:50,034 --> 00:56:52,284
than the Bad Seeds sequels.
922
00:56:54,916 --> 00:56:56,824
- He did shoot The Beauty And The Beast
923
00:56:56,824 --> 00:56:59,956
in my book is still the most
glorious black and white film.
924
00:56:59,956 --> 00:57:01,704
He made countless movies.
925
00:57:01,704 --> 00:57:03,386
I think Beauty And The Beast is the
926
00:57:03,386 --> 00:57:05,626
black and white masterpiece.
927
00:57:05,626 --> 00:57:09,056
And of course (mumbles)
really gave us the look
928
00:57:09,056 --> 00:57:12,938
for ways of design influence the film.
929
00:57:12,938 --> 00:57:15,521
(gentle music)
930
00:57:17,824 --> 00:57:21,534
- I found myself in a group that wasn't
931
00:57:21,534 --> 00:57:24,208
anything like I'd expected it to be
932
00:57:24,208 --> 00:57:29,208
and wasn't really what I
wanted to be doing musically.
933
00:57:29,304 --> 00:57:31,456
And there was no room
for anything throwaway.
934
00:57:31,456 --> 00:57:34,186
And I really tended to feel like a bit
935
00:57:34,186 --> 00:57:38,036
of a bull in a china shop like if I didn't
936
00:57:38,036 --> 00:57:41,027
restrain myself the whole time
937
00:57:41,027 --> 00:57:44,177
I'd just smash the little glass frame
938
00:57:44,177 --> 00:57:46,344
that held things together.
939
00:57:48,377 --> 00:57:53,277
So it was a really physically
uncomfortable thing
940
00:57:53,277 --> 00:57:55,116
(dog barking)
941
00:57:55,116 --> 00:57:57,665
like that dog out there, for me to do
942
00:57:57,665 --> 00:58:00,665
because I just felt really held back
943
00:58:02,374 --> 00:58:04,216
and restrained the entire time.
944
00:58:04,216 --> 00:58:07,151
- I did lose sight of them and Simon
945
00:58:07,151 --> 00:58:10,151
went to Los Angeles and for instance
946
00:58:13,787 --> 00:58:15,906
I never saw These Immortal Souls
947
00:58:15,906 --> 00:58:18,477
although I really liked their music.
948
00:58:18,477 --> 00:58:21,538
And followed Rowland's solo career
949
00:58:21,538 --> 00:58:23,395
and everything he did afterwards
950
00:58:23,395 --> 00:58:25,736
and sort of kept in touch
but I never met him again
951
00:58:25,736 --> 00:58:30,236
because he left Berlin and
I never ever met him again.
952
00:58:37,708 --> 00:58:42,208
- I'm just waiting for the
rest of my peers to get here.
953
00:58:43,294 --> 00:58:45,461
(mumbles)
954
00:58:52,166 --> 00:58:54,107
that is incredibly sophisticated
955
00:58:54,107 --> 00:58:58,447
technology that we use
i.e. guitar, bass, drums.
956
00:58:58,447 --> 00:59:01,562
- Then came These Immortal Souls
957
00:59:01,562 --> 00:59:05,222
and it was just wow, it's Rowland.
958
00:59:05,222 --> 00:59:06,464
There he is.
959
00:59:06,464 --> 00:59:07,297
- Ready?
960
00:59:08,283 --> 00:59:13,116
(Rock music These Immortal Souls playing)
961
00:59:52,676 --> 00:59:54,566
it was a really easy group to form
962
00:59:54,566 --> 00:59:56,754
because as soon as we
started playing together
963
00:59:56,754 --> 00:59:58,297
everything sounded really good.
964
00:59:58,297 --> 01:00:00,187
- He loved idiosyncratic playing
965
01:00:00,187 --> 01:00:02,198
and he thought in These Immortal Souls
966
01:00:02,198 --> 01:00:04,542
we were all very idiosyncratic.
967
01:00:04,542 --> 01:00:06,524
- I personally don't find my ideas
968
01:00:06,524 --> 01:00:08,396
interesting enough to think that I
969
01:00:08,396 --> 01:00:11,457
could carry off the
whole thing with my ideas
970
01:00:11,457 --> 01:00:13,207
it would just mean that basically
971
01:00:13,207 --> 01:00:15,692
there was no mystery in it for me
972
01:00:15,692 --> 01:00:17,477
because I'd know everything beforehand.
973
01:00:17,477 --> 01:00:19,423
- We immediately started playing with him
974
01:00:19,423 --> 01:00:21,693
when we'd go there and we got SST Records
975
01:00:21,693 --> 01:00:24,076
interested and they
released their record here.
976
01:00:24,076 --> 01:00:26,087
- They were always giving us shows.
977
01:00:26,087 --> 01:00:30,587
And I think our first show
was supporting Sonic Youth.
978
01:00:33,936 --> 01:00:36,260
- I feel like with this group I have
979
01:00:36,260 --> 01:00:40,843
the support of the other
people in the group behind me.
980
01:00:46,970 --> 01:00:50,727
To a certain extent I
have a certain amount
981
01:00:50,727 --> 01:00:53,326
of veto power just as the
singer in any group does
982
01:00:53,326 --> 01:00:56,126
because if the singer in
a group is not convinced
983
01:00:56,126 --> 01:00:58,170
by and idea then obviously
they're not going
984
01:00:58,170 --> 01:01:02,106
to do it sincerely and it
won't come across well.
985
01:01:02,106 --> 01:01:05,156
Which was a situation I'd run into
986
01:01:05,156 --> 01:01:07,835
in the past quite a few times.
987
01:01:07,835 --> 01:01:10,840
It's just that now I'm in
a position to do it myself.
988
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,757
(These Immortal Souls playing)
989
01:01:32,610 --> 01:01:33,926
- And then we did other tours of Europe
990
01:01:33,926 --> 01:01:36,180
and we went to America for five weeks
991
01:01:36,180 --> 01:01:37,986
and it was fantastic.
992
01:01:37,986 --> 01:01:41,099
And we got better and better
every night that we played.
993
01:01:41,099 --> 01:01:43,288
- These Immortal Souls
were a terrific band.
994
01:01:43,288 --> 01:01:46,937
A good gig would be just absolute joy.
995
01:01:46,937 --> 01:01:50,043
- They lyrics still have that real intense
996
01:01:50,043 --> 01:01:53,278
you know, one of his songs
weighs ten more pounds
997
01:01:53,278 --> 01:01:58,056
than anybody else's, full
of the weight of blood.
998
01:01:58,056 --> 01:02:00,315
- Like showing somebody a
song that you've written
999
01:02:00,315 --> 01:02:02,898
I still find it really painful.
1000
01:02:03,991 --> 01:02:08,578
♪ I was strictly Insomnimaniacla ♪
1001
01:02:08,578 --> 01:02:11,661
- They were amazing, more than Crime.
1002
01:02:13,772 --> 01:02:16,522
They should have been a big band.
1003
01:02:18,621 --> 01:02:21,262
- I'm trying just to
devote all my energies
1004
01:02:21,262 --> 01:02:23,311
towards These Immortal
Souls so that people can
1005
01:02:23,311 --> 01:02:26,970
understand and comprehend that this is
1006
01:02:26,970 --> 01:02:31,137
a group that I have and
which is a long term thing
1007
01:02:32,864 --> 01:02:35,531
and not just a flash in the pan.
1008
01:02:36,434 --> 01:02:40,634
- He was nearly a good
leader but he wasn't quite
1009
01:02:40,634 --> 01:02:44,427
he wasn't very forthcoming
with encouragement.
1010
01:02:44,427 --> 01:02:46,140
- He could be a hard
task master at rehearsal.
1011
01:02:46,140 --> 01:02:48,890
It was like he had such a defined
1012
01:02:50,041 --> 01:02:52,212
feel or vision of what he wanted.
1013
01:02:52,212 --> 01:02:54,451
- He was really good at first and
1014
01:02:54,451 --> 01:02:57,639
then he became increasingly...
1015
01:02:57,639 --> 01:03:01,056
You could not get a good word out of him.
1016
01:03:02,573 --> 01:03:04,552
And occasionally I would hear something
1017
01:03:04,552 --> 01:03:07,872
from Genevieve, oh that Harry he thinks
1018
01:03:07,872 --> 01:03:10,115
you're a wonderful bass player.
1019
01:03:10,115 --> 01:03:13,344
And you'd think, really that's
1020
01:03:13,344 --> 01:03:15,844
not the impression that I get.
1021
01:03:18,067 --> 01:03:21,744
How did I wind up in the
same field as Rowland?
1022
01:03:21,744 --> 01:03:23,911
What a stupid thing to do.
1023
01:03:25,263 --> 01:03:28,777
I don't mind being in Rowland's shadow
1024
01:03:28,777 --> 01:03:32,263
I couldn't care less actually it's a good
1025
01:03:32,263 --> 01:03:35,674
shadow I love Rowland's shadow.
1026
01:03:35,674 --> 01:03:37,757
(laughs)
1027
01:03:39,977 --> 01:03:44,977
(Don't Explain by Nikki
Sudden and Rowland S Howard)
1028
01:03:55,204 --> 01:04:00,204
♪ Hush now ♪
1029
01:04:00,333 --> 01:04:02,834
♪ Don't explain ♪
1030
01:04:02,834 --> 01:04:05,402
- He's playing Glasgow and it
1031
01:04:05,402 --> 01:04:07,333
was him and Nikki Sudden just two guys
1032
01:04:07,333 --> 01:04:09,132
I think Rowland has a gold shirt
1033
01:04:09,132 --> 01:04:11,232
and Nikki Sudden had a gold jacket
1034
01:04:11,232 --> 01:04:12,697
there was a lot of gold on stage.
1035
01:04:12,697 --> 01:04:14,868
Just Rowland and the (mumbles)
1036
01:04:14,868 --> 01:04:17,410
and a twin reverb classic.
1037
01:04:17,410 --> 01:04:21,032
It was free form guitar
playing and it was incredible.
1038
01:04:21,032 --> 01:04:24,163
I think I went backstage or
maybe seen them in the hall
1039
01:04:24,163 --> 01:04:26,342
but I remember just
saying "I wanna fuck you"
1040
01:04:26,342 --> 01:04:28,283
(laughs)
1041
01:04:28,283 --> 01:04:30,950
♪ Don't explain ♪
1042
01:04:33,972 --> 01:04:38,220
or something like that, something
really really ridiculous
1043
01:04:38,220 --> 01:04:40,902
I fucking love you I
wanna fuck you so be it.
1044
01:04:40,902 --> 01:04:42,739
- Nikki and Rowland were very close
1045
01:04:42,739 --> 01:04:43,572
they had toured and they made records
1046
01:04:43,572 --> 01:04:46,090
together so they were very very close.
1047
01:04:46,090 --> 01:04:48,388
You could see they actually
really loved each other.
1048
01:04:48,388 --> 01:04:50,923
- I really like what he did then
1049
01:04:50,923 --> 01:04:53,849
and that's a prime
example of Rowland being
1050
01:04:53,849 --> 01:04:56,182
super relaxed in the studio.
1051
01:04:57,960 --> 01:04:59,950
- He'd done this song
with Nikki, Don't Explain
1052
01:04:59,950 --> 01:05:00,783
a cover of the Billie Holiday track.
1053
01:05:00,783 --> 01:05:02,733
It's my favourite thing he did actually
1054
01:05:02,733 --> 01:05:05,409
and with Nikki who I
also love as a friend too
1055
01:05:05,409 --> 01:05:08,475
and I remember Nikki
saying "go on sing, sing"
1056
01:05:08,475 --> 01:05:09,912
and Rowland was really reluctant to do
1057
01:05:09,912 --> 01:05:10,871
lead vocals and he was saying "sing".
1058
01:05:10,871 --> 01:05:12,709
And I think it was Nikki's encouragement
1059
01:05:12,709 --> 01:05:14,697
I think Rowland was a
bit insecure initially
1060
01:05:14,697 --> 01:05:17,501
but I'm glad he did sing no
one else sounds like that.
1061
01:05:17,501 --> 01:05:21,001
♪ Hush now, don't explain ♪
1062
01:05:25,463 --> 01:05:28,333
Nikki was obsessed with
19th century Britain
1063
01:05:28,333 --> 01:05:31,661
and 18th century Britain,
like colonial Britain.
1064
01:05:31,661 --> 01:05:32,851
Wrote about it all the time and
1065
01:05:32,851 --> 01:05:34,671
like to dress like a dandy and read
1066
01:05:34,671 --> 01:05:36,085
all these old books and stuff.
1067
01:05:36,085 --> 01:05:37,662
He had a huge collection of
antiquarian books at the time
1068
01:05:37,662 --> 01:05:39,880
and of course Rowland was like that
1069
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:41,541
with his cravats and everything and
1070
01:05:41,541 --> 01:05:44,381
his cigarette held just
so it was fantastic.
1071
01:05:44,381 --> 01:05:48,195
♪ You know that I love you ♪
1072
01:05:48,195 --> 01:05:51,445
♪ And what loving does ♪
1073
01:05:52,292 --> 01:05:55,580
- I think that women like that sexuality
1074
01:05:55,580 --> 01:05:59,222
in a far more poignant and sensitive
1075
01:05:59,222 --> 01:06:02,668
and incisive way than any man ever has.
1076
01:06:02,668 --> 01:06:04,715
- Rowland always had good relationships
1077
01:06:04,715 --> 01:06:06,292
with women and saw them as people
1078
01:06:06,292 --> 01:06:07,631
in spite of his mad crushes.
1079
01:06:07,631 --> 01:06:09,626
- They've all been intelligent women
1080
01:06:09,626 --> 01:06:12,109
they've all been very opinionated women
1081
01:06:12,109 --> 01:06:13,840
they've all been very strong
1082
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:15,949
they've all been very demanding women.
1083
01:06:15,949 --> 01:06:17,858
- I guess he wasn't afraid
of my aggressiveness
1084
01:06:17,858 --> 01:06:19,822
the way that some more macho guys
1085
01:06:19,822 --> 01:06:22,081
are very confronted by me.
1086
01:06:22,081 --> 01:06:24,059
- I think that a lot of the best
1087
01:06:24,059 --> 01:06:27,059
singers of all time have been women.
1088
01:06:29,409 --> 01:06:31,409
- when I moved to New Orleans in 1990
1089
01:06:31,409 --> 01:06:34,643
it just seemed to me, urgent that I bring
1090
01:06:34,643 --> 01:06:36,427
Rowland there because it just seemed the
1091
01:06:36,427 --> 01:06:38,582
atmosphere would definitely be conducive
1092
01:06:38,582 --> 01:06:43,379
for the kind of music that we
both needed to make together.
1093
01:06:43,379 --> 01:06:45,111
- I remember going to New Orleans and I
1094
01:06:45,111 --> 01:06:47,159
felt more at home than I had anywhere else
1095
01:06:47,159 --> 01:06:50,742
because it had sort of
heat and I just felt
1096
01:06:52,965 --> 01:06:57,965
like it was more like my
natural environment somehow.
1097
01:06:58,061 --> 01:07:00,421
- He read loads of books
that were set around there
1098
01:07:00,421 --> 01:07:02,699
he loved it, it had French influences
1099
01:07:02,699 --> 01:07:05,282
and slave influences and Indian
1100
01:07:07,038 --> 01:07:09,872
just so many things bubbling up.
1101
01:07:09,872 --> 01:07:12,443
- Nature is evident there whereas Europe
1102
01:07:12,443 --> 01:07:14,389
nature's not particularly evident
1103
01:07:14,389 --> 01:07:18,482
not in the same way it is in
Australia it was different.
1104
01:07:18,482 --> 01:07:20,409
It was sort of interesting
because I'd never
1105
01:07:20,409 --> 01:07:24,203
really considered myself
to be Australian before.
1106
01:07:24,203 --> 01:07:28,036
The concept is kind of
swap, voodoo, romantic,
1107
01:07:30,242 --> 01:07:33,325
lush, co-mingling of these energies.
1108
01:07:34,689 --> 01:07:37,241
It's great also because the live shows
1109
01:07:37,241 --> 01:07:38,971
were Harry Howard and Rowland Howard
1110
01:07:38,971 --> 01:07:41,512
so that was just a musical sandwich
1111
01:07:41,512 --> 01:07:43,644
that was delectable from the word go.
1112
01:07:43,644 --> 01:07:45,161
- Harry was on the tour as well
1113
01:07:45,161 --> 01:07:47,811
he was playing bass so
they were an interesting
1114
01:07:47,811 --> 01:07:51,676
it was interesting to see the two of them
1115
01:07:51,676 --> 01:07:53,691
playing off each other.
1116
01:07:53,691 --> 01:07:56,911
- And Lydia she's got many
sides to her personality
1117
01:07:56,911 --> 01:08:00,131
some very sweet and some not so sweet.
1118
01:08:00,131 --> 01:08:04,592
- Harry was very shy and
very smart and reserved
1119
01:08:04,592 --> 01:08:07,175
and very un-rock, very straight
1120
01:08:08,741 --> 01:08:10,580
not doing drugs, maybe drinking a little
1121
01:08:10,580 --> 01:08:12,380
and I just threw a knife
and it stuck in the wall
1122
01:08:12,380 --> 01:08:14,252
next to his head and I just said,
1123
01:08:14,252 --> 01:08:15,428
I don't even know what I said,
1124
01:08:15,428 --> 01:08:16,548
"don't piss me off Harry".
1125
01:08:16,548 --> 01:08:18,979
Of course he hadn't it was just like...
1126
01:08:18,979 --> 01:08:20,678
Rowland just smiled.
1127
01:08:20,678 --> 01:08:24,595
- Rowland had a pronounced
aversion to bananas.
1128
01:08:28,706 --> 01:08:31,456
At first I thought he was kidding
1129
01:08:33,540 --> 01:08:37,211
but whenever bananas would
appear in the dressing room
1130
01:08:37,211 --> 01:08:40,544
he would denounce them as an evil fruit
1131
01:08:42,672 --> 01:08:45,090
- She was a good band leader.
1132
01:08:45,090 --> 01:08:48,132
You did get a sense that
you were working as a team
1133
01:08:48,132 --> 01:08:50,970
for someone who had high expectations
1134
01:08:50,970 --> 01:08:53,277
and wanted you to do well.
1135
01:08:53,277 --> 01:08:55,679
- I would provoke him with bananas
1136
01:08:55,679 --> 01:08:59,596
I remember one time
invading his hotel bedroom
1137
01:09:01,292 --> 01:09:04,375
wearing a crown of a bunch of bananas
1138
01:09:05,702 --> 01:09:08,785
and dancing provocatively on his bed.
1139
01:09:13,281 --> 01:09:16,114
He was horrified, truly horrified.
1140
01:09:19,702 --> 01:09:22,208
- At first it was like immortality
1141
01:09:22,208 --> 01:09:24,958
the sleeping mask, illuminexecnce
1142
01:09:27,016 --> 01:09:31,433
instinct up and down my
spine like a big electric cat
1143
01:09:33,492 --> 01:09:37,075
medicinal vapour trailing
curls in my nostrils
1144
01:09:40,651 --> 01:09:43,484
my vision tunnels I crash and burn
1145
01:09:47,390 --> 01:09:48,640
one long moment
1146
01:09:51,467 --> 01:09:54,884
(cicada softly chirping)
1147
01:10:02,841 --> 01:10:06,760
- Rowly and I weren't in a very good state
1148
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:09,790
health wise I don't think at the time.
1149
01:10:09,790 --> 01:10:13,290
Which must have impacted on things.
1150
01:10:13,290 --> 01:10:17,508
We worked with Tony who
was in a similar way.
1151
01:10:17,508 --> 01:10:20,868
- We were spending a lot
of time looking for drugs
1152
01:10:20,868 --> 01:10:22,998
and not a lot of time recording.
1153
01:10:22,998 --> 01:10:24,578
In fact I can remember an instance
1154
01:10:24,578 --> 01:10:27,201
of going into the studio
and all sitting around
1155
01:10:27,201 --> 01:10:30,841
looking at each other feeling pretty grim
1156
01:10:30,841 --> 01:10:35,512
and going off to score, that
has to be about the end of it.
1157
01:10:35,512 --> 01:10:38,382
- His drug use increased around that time
1158
01:10:38,382 --> 01:10:40,328
and he became a bit more chaotic.
1159
01:10:40,328 --> 01:10:45,161
And I became less close with
him over that period of time.
1160
01:10:46,886 --> 01:10:49,803
(guitar strumming)
1161
01:11:12,860 --> 01:11:15,200
- At the end of our relationship in London
1162
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:18,033
I actually said to him a few times
1163
01:11:19,808 --> 01:11:21,920
that I couldn't cope with the lifestyle
1164
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,302
and the things that I had to do
1165
01:11:24,302 --> 01:11:28,219
rotten jobs I had to have
in order to get money
1166
01:11:29,501 --> 01:11:33,542
and suggested that maybe
we should part company
1167
01:11:33,542 --> 01:11:37,542
and he hated that, no he
didn't want to be left.
1168
01:11:40,510 --> 01:11:43,131
You just can't give up
while you're together
1169
01:11:43,131 --> 01:11:46,721
it's just impossible, it's exponentially
1170
01:11:46,721 --> 01:11:50,167
more difficult than giving up alone.
1171
01:11:50,167 --> 01:11:52,834
And one night he'd got something
1172
01:11:53,861 --> 01:11:56,400
and I had been feeling really good
1173
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:58,518
for about three weeks and I was out with
1174
01:11:58,518 --> 01:12:01,647
Harry and Chris Yuse and a couple of girls
1175
01:12:01,647 --> 01:12:04,711
and I didn't want to go
home I didn't want to use.
1176
01:12:04,711 --> 01:12:07,021
I stayed up all night I
went to Highgate Cemetery
1177
01:12:07,021 --> 01:12:10,138
in the morning I didn't get home till 11.
1178
01:12:10,138 --> 01:12:12,888
He said Jen I wrote a song and it
1179
01:12:14,301 --> 01:12:17,418
was a song called Shut Me Down.
1180
01:12:17,418 --> 01:12:22,418
♪ So long soldier ♪
1181
01:12:23,158 --> 01:12:28,158
♪ We're deep in dutch ♪
1182
01:12:29,262 --> 01:12:34,262
♪ I can't ignore it ♪
1183
01:12:34,461 --> 01:12:39,461
♪ I miss you so much ♪
1184
01:12:40,238 --> 01:12:45,238
♪ I miss you so much ♪
1185
01:12:46,431 --> 01:12:49,098
♪ I miss you so ♪
1186
01:12:54,658 --> 01:12:56,688
- I just sort of realised
that for a long time
1187
01:12:56,688 --> 01:12:58,980
I'd been in England because people had
1188
01:12:58,980 --> 01:13:01,584
been telling me that I needed to be there
1189
01:13:01,584 --> 01:13:04,348
but I was just having a miserable life
1190
01:13:04,348 --> 01:13:07,258
and I just thought this is stupid
1191
01:13:07,258 --> 01:13:11,331
because I'm not playing
music because I'm miserable
1192
01:13:11,331 --> 01:13:14,240
I'm here because I'm
supposed to be playing music
1193
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:16,932
so I just moved back to Australia.
1194
01:13:16,932 --> 01:13:20,941
And I just spent too many
years away from my family.
1195
01:13:20,941 --> 01:13:22,236
- That was one of the major reasons
1196
01:13:22,236 --> 01:13:25,188
that Rowland came back to Australia
1197
01:13:25,188 --> 01:13:27,330
was to be nearer his mother.
1198
01:13:27,330 --> 01:13:29,988
She was lovely, Lorraine,
she was a strange
1199
01:13:29,988 --> 01:13:34,488
mixture of things she was
really independent in a way
1200
01:13:36,445 --> 01:13:39,388
I think you'd have to be, married to Jock
1201
01:13:39,388 --> 01:13:43,341
and she used to go on
adventures on her own
1202
01:13:43,341 --> 01:13:46,086
which I really admires and Rowly did too.
1203
01:13:46,086 --> 01:13:48,557
- She was very demonstrative and loving
1204
01:13:48,557 --> 01:13:52,108
and would say I love you so much,
1205
01:13:52,108 --> 01:13:54,812
you're so beautiful you
can do anything you want
1206
01:13:54,812 --> 01:13:57,391
she'd say, you can do
anything at all that you want.
1207
01:13:57,391 --> 01:14:01,467
- His father is just
incredibly absent emotionally
1208
01:14:01,467 --> 01:14:05,022
and when you talk to
him he's always right.
1209
01:14:05,022 --> 01:14:08,260
- Dad's intrinsic problem
of if anyone got close
1210
01:14:08,260 --> 01:14:12,260
to him then they became
more threatening to him.
1211
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:15,890
- I think he adored us
when we were little, little
1212
01:14:15,890 --> 01:14:17,902
and once we got to about three and started
1213
01:14:17,902 --> 01:14:21,278
becoming real full people
he just couldn't cope
1214
01:14:21,278 --> 01:14:23,903
with us at all, didn't
know what to do with us
1215
01:14:23,903 --> 01:14:25,570
and shut down on us.
1216
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:28,910
- He was so sure that
nothing his son could do
1217
01:14:28,910 --> 01:14:32,704
would ever make any
impression on anybody else.
1218
01:14:32,704 --> 01:14:35,262
- It's kind of biologically impossible
1219
01:14:35,262 --> 01:14:40,262
to stop seeking your parents
approval if you're 4 or 40.
1220
01:14:40,460 --> 01:14:43,187
So he had that ongoing struggle of trying
1221
01:14:43,187 --> 01:14:45,183
to get his dad to
acknowledge what he'd done
1222
01:14:45,183 --> 01:14:48,368
and being constantly
disappointed that he wasn't.
1223
01:14:48,368 --> 01:14:50,834
Rowland continued to be--
- Hurt.
1224
01:14:50,834 --> 01:14:53,130
- Quite severely hurt sometimes.
1225
01:14:53,130 --> 01:14:55,047
It was very sad to see.
1226
01:14:56,994 --> 01:15:01,494
Rowland sort of retreated
more into his creative world.
1227
01:15:03,453 --> 01:15:07,004
He just got closer to mom instead.
1228
01:15:07,004 --> 01:15:10,087
(quirky organ music)
1229
01:15:29,857 --> 01:15:33,197
- I was probably three and he was
1230
01:15:33,197 --> 01:15:36,488
I suppose my mom's boyfriend at the time.
1231
01:15:36,488 --> 01:15:39,326
And so I don't really remember meeting him
1232
01:15:39,326 --> 01:15:42,945
I just kind of, he's basically been
1233
01:15:42,945 --> 01:15:45,966
in my life since I can remember.
1234
01:15:45,966 --> 01:15:47,464
(growling)
1235
01:15:47,464 --> 01:15:48,714
- Are we there?
1236
01:15:49,998 --> 01:15:52,747
- It was very romantic
'cause it was very chaste.
1237
01:15:52,747 --> 01:15:57,164
There was this very old
fashioned I guess courtship.
1238
01:16:00,447 --> 01:16:03,575
And I used to drive him to his shows
1239
01:16:03,575 --> 01:16:06,644
and stuff and be a chauffer for him
1240
01:16:06,644 --> 01:16:11,311
once I was single it quickly
turned into a relationship.
1241
01:16:13,028 --> 01:16:15,945
(guitar strumming)
1242
01:16:23,094 --> 01:16:27,276
- Rowly would play
remarkable sets at these
1243
01:16:27,276 --> 01:16:29,604
various pubs and there would be
1244
01:16:29,604 --> 01:16:33,454
10, 20, 30, 40 or 50
people in the audience.
1245
01:16:33,454 --> 01:16:36,454
( guitar strumming)
1246
01:16:46,138 --> 01:16:48,416
- Just before we got
married in the first year
1247
01:16:48,416 --> 01:16:51,286
of us living together he started writing
1248
01:16:51,286 --> 01:16:53,347
and recording Teenage Snuff Film.
1249
01:16:53,347 --> 01:16:56,622
- There was a point
before Teenage Snuff Film
1250
01:16:56,622 --> 01:16:57,455
where I thought I'd really like to
1251
01:16:57,455 --> 01:16:59,244
do something with Rowland because I think
1252
01:16:59,244 --> 01:17:03,661
my bass playing is complementary
to his guitar style.
1253
01:17:05,768 --> 01:17:07,028
So I actually wrote a couple of
1254
01:17:07,028 --> 01:17:09,861
bass riffs on my little T84 track.
1255
01:17:12,684 --> 01:17:17,351
One of them was (imitates bass guitar)
1256
01:17:31,233 --> 01:17:32,756
♪ This is a warning ♪
1257
01:17:32,756 --> 01:17:34,627
♪ They're going to hit me ♪
1258
01:17:34,627 --> 01:17:36,182
♪ This is a sign ♪
1259
01:17:36,182 --> 01:17:39,998
♪ They don't get out of big things ♪
1260
01:17:39,998 --> 01:17:41,537
- Just kind of called me up and said
1261
01:17:41,537 --> 01:17:43,517
I wanna do this solo album
1262
01:17:43,517 --> 01:17:46,563
I wanna do an album and would you help me?
1263
01:17:46,563 --> 01:17:48,557
And I said, yes.
1264
01:17:48,557 --> 01:17:51,427
- People had said to me look, don't put
1265
01:17:51,427 --> 01:17:53,018
out Rowland's record you'll regret it.
1266
01:17:53,018 --> 01:17:54,124
And I was like, you don't understand
1267
01:17:54,124 --> 01:17:55,748
you think of Rowland as,
1268
01:17:55,748 --> 01:17:58,394
I've known Rowland as a 15 year old kid
1269
01:17:58,394 --> 01:18:00,896
we've got a better relationship than that.
1270
01:18:00,896 --> 01:18:02,436
- Little did I expect
that it would be just
1271
01:18:02,436 --> 01:18:04,447
me and him recording all
the basic tracks together
1272
01:18:04,447 --> 01:18:07,447
I think apart from two songs I think
1273
01:18:08,316 --> 01:18:10,294
all the basic tracks are just him
1274
01:18:10,294 --> 01:18:12,534
playing guitar and me playing drums.
1275
01:18:12,534 --> 01:18:15,507
♪ And I tried to speak ♪
1276
01:18:15,507 --> 01:18:18,340
♪ But I could not ♪
1277
01:18:19,567 --> 01:18:21,914
- I just reached a stage
where I didn't want
1278
01:18:21,914 --> 01:18:25,061
to have to argue with
people about stuff anymore
1279
01:18:25,061 --> 01:18:29,061
I didn't want to have to
have three other people
1280
01:18:29,908 --> 01:18:32,517
agree with what I wanted to call the album
1281
01:18:32,517 --> 01:18:35,385
or agree with what songs were on the album
1282
01:18:35,385 --> 01:18:37,762
I wanted to just be able
to say this is the song
1283
01:18:37,762 --> 01:18:40,338
and if somebody played
something I didn't like
1284
01:18:40,338 --> 01:18:42,317
to be be able to say,
well you can't do that.
1285
01:18:42,317 --> 01:18:43,908
- He was making an album so I had
1286
01:18:43,908 --> 01:18:45,154
to have an album as well.
1287
01:18:45,154 --> 01:18:48,706
So I wrote some songs and he would
1288
01:18:48,706 --> 01:18:51,627
fret the chords and I would sit on his lap
1289
01:18:51,627 --> 01:18:54,405
and strum the guitar
and that got recorded.
1290
01:18:54,405 --> 01:18:57,238
(Rowland singing)
1291
01:19:00,657 --> 01:19:02,459
- That was a really great time for him
1292
01:19:02,459 --> 01:19:05,209
musically he was really inspired.
1293
01:19:07,887 --> 01:19:09,665
- One of the whole
points of the record was
1294
01:19:09,665 --> 01:19:12,748
to retain something of the sparseness
1295
01:19:13,831 --> 01:19:15,917
and the intimacy of the solo shows
1296
01:19:15,917 --> 01:19:19,432
I'd been doing and just to have some
1297
01:19:19,432 --> 01:19:21,568
kind of space in the music.
1298
01:19:21,568 --> 01:19:24,947
I think we achieved that really well
1299
01:19:24,947 --> 01:19:28,377
it was a very simple record and I think it
1300
01:19:28,377 --> 01:19:30,286
was probably the simplest
thing I'd ever done.
1301
01:19:30,286 --> 01:19:32,437
- We all lived in a share house in Windsor
1302
01:19:32,437 --> 01:19:34,574
and that was just on constant rotation
1303
01:19:34,574 --> 01:19:36,814
we knew every lyric, we knew it backwards
1304
01:19:36,814 --> 01:19:39,717
and we all were just
obsessed with that record.
1305
01:19:39,717 --> 01:19:44,634
(Dead Radio by Teenage Snuff Film playing)
1306
01:19:52,630 --> 01:19:55,739
- I'd lost my brother I'd been quite
1307
01:19:55,739 --> 01:19:58,768
hideously dumped by my boyfriend
1308
01:19:58,768 --> 01:20:01,768
within a year and I was listening to
1309
01:20:04,278 --> 01:20:06,520
Teenage Snuff Film on repeat.
1310
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:08,690
- And there was just
this beautiful ache to
1311
01:20:08,690 --> 01:20:12,629
the way he would put a lyric into a song.
1312
01:20:12,629 --> 01:20:15,590
- Some writing was just beautiful.
1313
01:20:15,590 --> 01:20:18,996
- There was a deadpan sarcasm to his voice
1314
01:20:18,996 --> 01:20:21,763
that really intrigued me
that I hadn't heard before.
1315
01:20:21,763 --> 01:20:24,601
I hadn't heard anyone sing like that.
1316
01:20:24,601 --> 01:20:26,122
I found it hilarious actually.
1317
01:20:26,122 --> 01:20:28,554
- There's so much humour in his music.
1318
01:20:28,554 --> 01:20:32,945
There's like, wit while
he's ripping your heart out.
1319
01:20:32,945 --> 01:20:36,585
- It just felt like a
perfect piece of work
1320
01:20:36,585 --> 01:20:40,052
that captured a moment, the
moment could have been 24 hours.
1321
01:20:40,052 --> 01:20:44,719
- Yes put that in your top,
I don't know, top 50 easily.
1322
01:20:45,965 --> 01:20:47,981
- 24 hours in the life of Rowland.
1323
01:20:47,981 --> 01:20:49,690
All of this happened.
1324
01:20:49,690 --> 01:20:53,988
- It's an album that seems
to have a long term effect--
1325
01:20:53,988 --> 01:20:56,502
- It's kind of timeless.
1326
01:20:56,502 --> 01:20:59,181
- Yeah it's timeless it's
still affecting people now.
1327
01:20:59,181 --> 01:21:02,348
- I don't need religion I've got this.
1328
01:21:03,801 --> 01:21:07,718
(Dead Radio continues playing)
1329
01:21:17,661 --> 01:21:19,164
- We lived with each other and we cared
1330
01:21:19,164 --> 01:21:22,433
we loved each other so I guess he kind of
1331
01:21:22,433 --> 01:21:25,692
just became a parent in a way.
1332
01:21:25,692 --> 01:21:27,802
- Up until that point he adored Rowland
1333
01:21:27,802 --> 01:21:30,065
he was sort of all over him and then
1334
01:21:30,065 --> 01:21:32,304
as soon as we became a couple he
1335
01:21:32,304 --> 01:21:35,231
rejected him pestiferously.
1336
01:21:35,231 --> 01:21:38,292
- It seemed that he
could remember very well
1337
01:21:38,292 --> 01:21:40,322
what it was like to be a little kid
1338
01:21:40,322 --> 01:21:42,455
and that it wasn't that far off.
1339
01:21:42,455 --> 01:21:44,242
Rowland looked after Tom during the day.
1340
01:21:44,242 --> 01:21:47,532
So he got him to kinder and picked him up
1341
01:21:47,532 --> 01:21:50,281
and spent more time with him in those
1342
01:21:50,281 --> 01:21:51,841
early years than I did really.
1343
01:21:51,841 --> 01:21:54,742
- We kept devising plans to throw my
1344
01:21:54,742 --> 01:21:58,942
arch nemesis at creche
into the bin, Robbie
1345
01:21:58,942 --> 01:22:02,615
and we'd go and go to
his house and pretend
1346
01:22:02,615 --> 01:22:07,254
to be cops and scare
him and I don't know why
1347
01:22:07,254 --> 01:22:09,792
I didn't like Robbie but I didn't.
1348
01:22:09,792 --> 01:22:11,332
- My fantasy was that Rowland and I
1349
01:22:11,332 --> 01:22:13,781
could at least just live together and
1350
01:22:13,781 --> 01:22:16,354
enjoy our relationship and kind of develop
1351
01:22:16,354 --> 01:22:20,152
that without any other
unnecessary stresses.
1352
01:22:20,152 --> 01:22:22,355
- There was lots of murder just in general
1353
01:22:22,355 --> 01:22:26,380
with it was someone a little bit violent
1354
01:22:26,380 --> 01:22:28,744
and it would be boyish violent for me
1355
01:22:28,744 --> 01:22:31,171
and I guess there was a little bit
1356
01:22:31,171 --> 01:22:34,852
of a sinister edge coming
from Rowland as well.
1357
01:22:34,852 --> 01:22:37,090
- It was fantastic those early years were
1358
01:22:37,090 --> 01:22:39,470
probably amongst the happiest in my life
1359
01:22:39,470 --> 01:22:40,750
if not the happiest, probably
1360
01:22:40,750 --> 01:22:42,324
the happiest in my life really.
1361
01:22:42,324 --> 01:22:45,441
- I spent a lot of time
especially before I was at school
1362
01:22:45,441 --> 01:22:50,164
just the two of us hanging
out and that's probably,
1363
01:22:50,164 --> 01:22:54,331
yeah they're my fondest
memories is the early days.
1364
01:22:54,331 --> 01:22:56,581
When it was all really fun.
1365
01:22:59,590 --> 01:23:00,463
- [Man] I light another cigarette
1366
01:23:00,463 --> 01:23:02,162
and as I cut my hands around the flame
1367
01:23:02,162 --> 01:23:04,560
the whole place explodes
1368
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:06,049
but nothing happens a lot around here
1369
01:23:06,049 --> 01:23:09,810
it was just the old lady, the pigeons.
1370
01:23:09,810 --> 01:23:11,861
One of which is the pooch situation
1371
01:23:11,861 --> 01:23:14,008
as I have come to think of it.
1372
01:23:14,008 --> 01:23:16,460
About the dog skull
with her walking stick.
1373
01:23:16,460 --> 01:23:21,189
Has up and clamped his spring
loaded jaws on the victim.
1374
01:23:21,189 --> 01:23:24,189
Snapping and pumping like breakfast.
1375
01:23:25,581 --> 01:23:27,452
- He had actually spent a couple of years
1376
01:23:27,452 --> 01:23:30,598
writing a novel which
was keeping him occupied.
1377
01:23:30,598 --> 01:23:32,439
And he was writing that when I met him.
1378
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:35,439
- The first one is about someone who
1379
01:23:37,569 --> 01:23:41,032
traverses the realms of reality through
1380
01:23:41,032 --> 01:23:44,602
sleep and dream and it
actually helped by a drug
1381
01:23:44,602 --> 01:23:49,019
and his father is someone
who sells or makes the drug.
1382
01:23:52,302 --> 01:23:57,302
- [Man] England, go to London,
England turn left (mumbles)
1383
01:23:57,939 --> 01:24:00,352
and keep on up to the first bend.
1384
01:24:00,352 --> 01:24:01,598
(voices whisper)
1385
01:24:01,598 --> 01:24:04,431
least appealing part of this place
1386
01:24:05,462 --> 01:24:09,712
I found a strange (voices whisper)
1387
01:24:13,112 --> 01:24:16,383
started to happen when I
first started to remember
1388
01:24:16,383 --> 01:24:18,763
find you through the neon signs and the
1389
01:24:18,763 --> 01:24:21,969
weather of the whirlwind (voices whisper)
1390
01:24:21,969 --> 01:24:26,763
shoulders with the gunshot
rolling deep across the bay.
1391
01:24:26,763 --> 01:24:29,422
- I think he was only completely drug free
1392
01:24:29,422 --> 01:24:31,780
for a couple of months before he buckled.
1393
01:24:31,780 --> 01:24:35,862
- I didn't find out
until after they'd split.
1394
01:24:35,862 --> 01:24:38,362
And then memories came through
1395
01:24:40,603 --> 01:24:42,549
and it kind of all clicked.
1396
01:24:42,549 --> 01:24:45,818
- I tried a million
things and suggested that,
1397
01:24:45,818 --> 01:24:50,735
well maybe you could just use
every second week or whatever.
1398
01:24:52,573 --> 01:24:56,573
But then I succumbed and
got into trouble myself
1399
01:24:57,735 --> 01:25:01,652
and that was the thing
that ultimately it meant
1400
01:25:03,601 --> 01:25:05,383
that our marriage had to end.
1401
01:25:05,383 --> 01:25:08,466
(Dead Radio playing)
1402
01:25:22,603 --> 01:25:26,155
- What I do remember is
wanting to see Rowland
1403
01:25:26,155 --> 01:25:28,731
and knowing that he felt quite guilty
1404
01:25:28,731 --> 01:25:32,161
and wanting to reassure him that I
1405
01:25:32,161 --> 01:25:34,783
didn't hold anything against him anymore.
1406
01:25:34,783 --> 01:25:38,616
- Until about five years
ago I would have said
1407
01:25:40,295 --> 01:25:44,163
that I didn't regret what I've done.
1408
01:25:44,163 --> 01:25:48,205
It was all my time spent
taking drugs but now
1409
01:25:48,205 --> 01:25:52,122
I really regret it it's
change my life forever.
1410
01:25:58,672 --> 01:26:02,452
And I've just lost so much of my life
1411
01:26:02,452 --> 01:26:05,785
and so much time that I could have spent
1412
01:26:08,435 --> 01:26:13,352
doing things that would have
been really meaningful for me.
1413
01:26:19,842 --> 01:26:21,675
It's just been wasted.
1414
01:26:27,633 --> 01:26:30,485
Just a waste, thrown away.
1415
01:26:30,485 --> 01:26:33,068
(quirky music)
1416
01:26:46,266 --> 01:26:49,277
- He used to talk about
something called black milk a lot
1417
01:26:49,277 --> 01:26:51,501
and he wrote a song about
it and it's not just
1418
01:26:51,501 --> 01:26:55,437
a drug reference it's the whole feeling
1419
01:26:55,437 --> 01:26:58,687
of this thing that's dark and beautiful
1420
01:26:59,586 --> 01:27:02,913
and sort of sticky sweet and hypnotic
1421
01:27:02,913 --> 01:27:05,580
and it sustains you and feeds you
1422
01:27:06,866 --> 01:27:09,507
and makes everything really
beautiful and amazing
1423
01:27:09,507 --> 01:27:11,090
but at the same time there's a
1424
01:27:11,090 --> 01:27:13,757
fatal flaw and it's like poison.
1425
01:27:14,688 --> 01:27:19,688
(Autoluminescent by
Rowland S Howard playing)
1426
01:27:31,614 --> 01:27:35,711
♪ I am blinding ♪
1427
01:27:35,711 --> 01:27:39,580
♪ Autoluminescent ♪
1428
01:27:39,580 --> 01:27:43,813
♪ I am white heat ♪
1429
01:27:43,813 --> 01:27:48,031
♪ I am heaven sent ♪
1430
01:27:48,031 --> 01:27:51,513
♪ I was a nightmare ♪
1431
01:27:51,513 --> 01:27:56,044
♪ But I'm not gonna go there ♪
1432
01:27:56,044 --> 01:27:58,044
♪ Again ♪
1433
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:04,583
- He seemed so diminished
by his heartbreak
1434
01:28:05,878 --> 01:28:07,944
and he kept saying he was a
1435
01:28:07,944 --> 01:28:11,027
three time loser and lost everything.
1436
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:15,987
I just couldn't see him evicted.
1437
01:28:16,853 --> 01:28:19,200
- They had no choice really in a way
1438
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:21,867
they were just so closely linked.
1439
01:28:24,675 --> 01:28:29,675
- After about one and a half
years he managed to stop using.
1440
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:31,849
It was an odd time 'cause he was trying
1441
01:28:31,849 --> 01:28:34,766
to get on Inteferon as well and the
1442
01:28:35,963 --> 01:28:39,113
psychiatrist wouldn't let him go on it
1443
01:28:39,113 --> 01:28:42,314
because he had problems and he was still
1444
01:28:42,314 --> 01:28:44,330
sad about his marriage break up
1445
01:28:44,330 --> 01:28:46,920
and Inteferon makes you depressed.
1446
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:51,031
But eventually he convinced
them and by the time
1447
01:28:51,031 --> 01:28:54,023
he was on Inteferon
he'd completely stopped.
1448
01:28:54,023 --> 01:28:57,714
♪ I'm soaring through outer space ♪
1449
01:28:57,714 --> 01:29:01,461
♪ There is no better place ♪
1450
01:29:01,461 --> 01:29:03,461
♪ To be ♪
1451
01:29:06,641 --> 01:29:10,734
at first I'd been promising
him that he'd feel fantastic
1452
01:29:10,734 --> 01:29:13,729
and he didn't, and he'd say to me
1453
01:29:13,729 --> 01:29:18,479
"you said I was gonna feel
much better I feel like crap".
1454
01:29:20,170 --> 01:29:21,691
But he got through it.
1455
01:29:21,691 --> 01:29:25,943
♪ I'm greater than God in light ♪
1456
01:29:25,943 --> 01:29:29,690
♪ I am dangerous ♪
1457
01:29:29,690 --> 01:29:33,320
♪ I cut like the sharpest knife ♪
1458
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:34,153
(applause)
1459
01:29:34,153 --> 01:29:35,961
- He got every side effect under the sun
1460
01:29:35,961 --> 01:29:38,565
and they wanted to take him off it
1461
01:29:38,565 --> 01:29:41,189
because he got so thin and his bloods
1462
01:29:41,189 --> 01:29:44,356
were all over the place but he insisted
1463
01:29:45,411 --> 01:29:47,180
he wanted to get rid of it and he was
1464
01:29:47,180 --> 01:29:51,930
so pleased he'd got rid of
heroin, he'd got rid of Hep C.
1465
01:29:53,317 --> 01:29:57,222
He was still not feeling
great but gradually
1466
01:29:57,222 --> 01:30:00,889
about six months after
he stopped Interferon
1467
01:30:01,841 --> 01:30:05,096
we moved in here and he started going out,
1468
01:30:05,096 --> 01:30:07,778
he was playing all the time.
1469
01:30:07,778 --> 01:30:10,596
People were responding to him
in a really different way.
1470
01:30:10,596 --> 01:30:13,499
People were catching on to
the idea that he'd stopped.
1471
01:30:13,499 --> 01:30:16,719
- Rowland would ask me "how do
you want this album to sound"
1472
01:30:16,719 --> 01:30:19,640
and I said "I want it to sound like the
1473
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:24,036
the glass of wine's there
and the ashtray's there
1474
01:30:24,036 --> 01:30:25,858
I want it to sound like that".
1475
01:30:25,858 --> 01:30:29,123
And he went, (inhales) "right".
1476
01:30:29,123 --> 01:30:31,752
So he knew what I wanted.
1477
01:30:31,752 --> 01:30:33,833
- He would never want to
rehearse though Rowland
1478
01:30:33,833 --> 01:30:36,876
so we had to show up and do everything
1479
01:30:36,876 --> 01:30:40,126
just raw which was kind of infuriating.
1480
01:30:43,838 --> 01:30:45,607
Though it worked out well.
1481
01:30:45,607 --> 01:30:47,987
- He was producing hate
rock and he had this
1482
01:30:47,987 --> 01:30:52,404
huge fascination with Jon,
just everything about her.
1483
01:30:55,407 --> 01:30:58,114
- We only saw him a couple
of hours a day mind you
1484
01:30:58,114 --> 01:31:01,898
he was very very exhausted on Interferon.
1485
01:31:01,898 --> 01:31:05,398
We had him two hours a day, three to five.
1486
01:31:06,273 --> 01:31:09,300
Little cat would stroll into the studio.
1487
01:31:09,300 --> 01:31:11,978
- Having him in the
studio was as much about
1488
01:31:11,978 --> 01:31:14,844
his aura as it was about
what he was saying.
1489
01:31:14,844 --> 01:31:17,876
- You could actually talk about a concept
1490
01:31:17,876 --> 01:31:21,876
in a much more, on a
higher more abstract level.
1491
01:31:24,947 --> 01:31:28,186
- I think we played the song to him once
1492
01:31:28,186 --> 01:31:30,584
and then he just went
in there and played it.
1493
01:31:30,584 --> 01:31:32,367
And we were all just
sitting in the control room
1494
01:31:32,367 --> 01:31:34,696
just like --
- Oh yeah.
1495
01:31:34,696 --> 01:31:35,834
- Check this out.
1496
01:31:35,834 --> 01:31:37,374
- I think I was just almost laughing
1497
01:31:37,374 --> 01:31:39,192
hysterically how good it was.
1498
01:31:39,192 --> 01:31:40,557
- Sounded great Rowland.
1499
01:31:40,557 --> 01:31:43,057
- I can do better if you want.
1500
01:31:45,107 --> 01:31:47,328
- He mentioned something about Bianca
1501
01:31:47,328 --> 01:31:51,245
meeting this rather tall
quite crazy young girl
1502
01:31:52,751 --> 01:31:54,366
and I could tell in his eyes there was a
1503
01:31:54,366 --> 01:31:57,616
certain interest beyond just the fandom
1504
01:31:59,476 --> 01:32:01,786
that I guess he would normally
get through his Myspace.
1505
01:32:01,786 --> 01:32:04,172
- I just kind of approached Rowland
1506
01:32:04,172 --> 01:32:06,505
as fan girl ultimate fan girl.
1507
01:32:07,831 --> 01:32:10,108
- Bianca gave Rowland a hug that lasted
1508
01:32:10,108 --> 01:32:12,240
maybe two minutes and Rowland told
1509
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:14,042
me and Connor that he hadn't been
1510
01:32:14,042 --> 01:32:16,142
hugged like that in maybe six years.
1511
01:32:16,142 --> 01:32:19,780
He finally got the hug that lasted.
1512
01:32:19,780 --> 01:32:21,130
- Went over and said to him
1513
01:32:21,130 --> 01:32:23,581
"I never wanted to be this person but
1514
01:32:23,581 --> 01:32:26,639
"you're just the best
person in the whole world".
1515
01:32:26,639 --> 01:32:30,000
And he said, "I don't know about that".
1516
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:31,630
And I said "but you're the best
1517
01:32:31,630 --> 01:32:33,642
"fucking guitarist in the whole world"
1518
01:32:33,642 --> 01:32:35,739
and he said, "yeah thanks".
1519
01:32:35,739 --> 01:32:37,740
- And that was it he was
smitten I'm telling you.
1520
01:32:37,740 --> 01:32:39,121
- They were such a great couple.
1521
01:32:39,121 --> 01:32:42,150
They're tall and they were very commanding
1522
01:32:42,150 --> 01:32:44,036
to see them both together.
1523
01:32:44,036 --> 01:32:47,698
- And after the initial I'm
with Rowland S Howard thing
1524
01:32:47,698 --> 01:32:52,510
I didn't really think
about that so much anymore.
1525
01:32:52,510 --> 01:32:55,170
It was just the person that I loved.
1526
01:32:55,170 --> 01:32:57,060
- Ah there we go.
1527
01:32:57,060 --> 01:32:59,977
(strumming guitar)
1528
01:33:04,739 --> 01:33:07,210
- Coming along the other side of the bay
1529
01:33:07,210 --> 01:33:09,608
with his arm around a beautiful girl
1530
01:33:09,608 --> 01:33:13,752
and his guitar in hand just swanning along
1531
01:33:13,752 --> 01:33:16,692
was Rowland S Howard true to form.
1532
01:33:16,692 --> 01:33:19,740
- He did have a respect for women too
1533
01:33:19,740 --> 01:33:22,922
I think he just liked them as creatures
1534
01:33:22,922 --> 01:33:25,582
I think he proffered the
company of women to men as well.
1535
01:33:25,582 --> 01:33:27,402
- Bianca was fantastic for Rowland
1536
01:33:27,402 --> 01:33:29,046
he had a bit of a spring in his step
1537
01:33:29,046 --> 01:33:32,078
a bit of a strut, he
was laughing a lot more
1538
01:33:32,078 --> 01:33:34,962
and he was also far more exhausted
1539
01:33:34,962 --> 01:33:37,099
than I'd seen in a long time.
1540
01:33:37,099 --> 01:33:42,099
- I said to Rowland once,
"when do you kind of grow up"?
1541
01:33:42,471 --> 01:33:45,588
And he said, "you're
asking the wrong person".
1542
01:33:45,588 --> 01:33:46,951
I don't think that he felt like
1543
01:33:46,951 --> 01:33:49,368
his youth was a lifetime ago.
1544
01:33:50,941 --> 01:33:53,287
- I had some things to do.
1545
01:33:53,287 --> 01:33:56,261
(crowd laughing)
1546
01:33:56,261 --> 01:33:58,048
- [Crowd Member] What?
1547
01:33:58,048 --> 01:33:59,691
- It was a busy eight years.
1548
01:33:59,691 --> 01:34:03,522
I think my particular
journey through music
1549
01:34:03,522 --> 01:34:05,920
has been very slow and it's taken me
1550
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:09,700
a long time to achieve the confidence
1551
01:34:09,700 --> 01:34:13,168
that I needed to do my best work.
1552
01:34:13,168 --> 01:34:14,829
- He'd been sick for a long time
1553
01:34:14,829 --> 01:34:18,498
and he'd been on Interferon,
gotten rid of his hepatitis
1554
01:34:18,498 --> 01:34:21,918
and then he fell in love and then they
1555
01:34:21,918 --> 01:34:23,612
wanted him to make another record
1556
01:34:23,612 --> 01:34:27,882
and he was really happy about
where his life was going
1557
01:34:27,882 --> 01:34:30,132
and then he got sick again.
1558
01:34:32,838 --> 01:34:34,798
- Once we were doing the Pop Crimes album
1559
01:34:34,798 --> 01:34:37,628
there was a huge amount
of interest suddenly
1560
01:34:37,628 --> 01:34:39,638
this groundswell of interest in what
1561
01:34:39,638 --> 01:34:41,878
Rowland S Howard might
be doing this month.
1562
01:34:41,878 --> 01:34:44,178
- There was talk about international tours
1563
01:34:44,178 --> 01:34:46,417
about European tours there was talk
1564
01:34:46,417 --> 01:34:47,972
about American tours there was a
1565
01:34:47,972 --> 01:34:52,084
genuine excitement in the
record he'd just made.
1566
01:34:52,084 --> 01:34:54,748
- I've got some new songs tonight
1567
01:34:54,748 --> 01:34:55,798
which is a frightening--
1568
01:34:55,798 --> 01:34:58,381
(crowd cheers)
1569
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:03,847
and one that scares me immensely okay.
1570
01:35:05,019 --> 01:35:06,541
- [Band Member] One, two, three, four.
1571
01:35:06,541 --> 01:35:09,458
(rock music plays)
1572
01:35:25,614 --> 01:35:27,998
- He and Brian and Mick were recording the
1573
01:35:27,998 --> 01:35:32,081
basic track and he sort
of said you find a sound.
1574
01:35:37,636 --> 01:35:40,244
He found me in the kitchen of Birdland
1575
01:35:40,244 --> 01:35:42,801
with a plastic cup and a mirror
1576
01:35:42,801 --> 01:35:44,307
it sounded like a tortured donkey
1577
01:35:44,307 --> 01:35:47,265
"it sounds terrible, quick record it".
1578
01:35:47,265 --> 01:35:50,848
- Everything was looking
up and it was great
1579
01:35:51,778 --> 01:35:54,055
and he was just so pleased just to wake up
1580
01:35:54,055 --> 01:35:58,222
in the morning and feel
okay it was such a luxury.
1581
01:36:29,265 --> 01:36:32,514
- I find it remarkable that most people
1582
01:36:32,514 --> 01:36:35,514
don't seem to see the world as being
1583
01:36:39,398 --> 01:36:43,481
essentially a very sad
place because I think it is.
1584
01:36:46,643 --> 01:36:48,585
- He wanted to know 'cause he thought
1585
01:36:48,585 --> 01:36:52,188
I could understand because
I've been paralysed,
1586
01:36:52,188 --> 01:36:55,478
what do you tell people when you think
1587
01:36:55,478 --> 01:36:57,928
you're never gonna walk or
you're gonna die one day,
1588
01:36:57,928 --> 01:36:59,314
what do you tell them?
1589
01:36:59,314 --> 01:37:04,147
- He realised that his last
album would be his last album.
1590
01:37:06,327 --> 01:37:08,095
- I know it was enormous
help to him me doing it,
1591
01:37:08,095 --> 01:37:11,770
it was a fantastic experience for me too.
1592
01:37:11,770 --> 01:37:14,485
'cause I really liked both
the recording sessions
1593
01:37:14,485 --> 01:37:18,352
and got an enormous amount
of artistic enjoyment
1594
01:37:18,352 --> 01:37:20,594
out of working on those records.
1595
01:37:20,594 --> 01:37:23,338
- He was really enthusiastic
about this record
1596
01:37:23,338 --> 01:37:26,208
and he was really keen to promote it
1597
01:37:26,208 --> 01:37:27,766
and play gigs and it was great
1598
01:37:27,766 --> 01:37:28,975
and there was a whole new audience
1599
01:37:28,975 --> 01:37:30,534
that was coming through and all of
1600
01:37:30,534 --> 01:37:32,867
that was energising for him.
1601
01:37:39,505 --> 01:37:42,359
It was just a shame we had to stop.
1602
01:37:42,359 --> 01:37:45,999
♪ The night so deep that I trip or drown ♪
1603
01:37:45,999 --> 01:37:48,999
- One day he was out and I put it on
1604
01:37:49,989 --> 01:37:52,771
and it was just so great and I played it
1605
01:37:52,771 --> 01:37:55,487
over and over again and I always heard
1606
01:37:55,487 --> 01:37:59,477
Rowly come in the door,
you know footsteps, keys
1607
01:37:59,477 --> 01:38:01,455
so he must have heard
the music from outside
1608
01:38:01,455 --> 01:38:03,588
and sneaked in really quietly.
1609
01:38:03,588 --> 01:38:07,275
And he'd come round behind
me in the lounge room
1610
01:38:07,275 --> 01:38:09,832
and I was just sitting at the computer
1611
01:38:09,832 --> 01:38:11,862
playing things over and over again
1612
01:38:11,862 --> 01:38:16,612
and I think saying things
like, I don't know, "oh Rowly".
1613
01:38:21,191 --> 01:38:25,191
And then I think Golden
Age Of Bloodshed came on
1614
01:38:27,803 --> 01:38:30,470
and I think I started crying and
1615
01:38:31,621 --> 01:38:35,288
all of a sudden he was
just there behind me.
1616
01:38:43,111 --> 01:38:47,778
I was really shocked at how
much he needed me to like it
1617
01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:53,881
and how pleased he was
that I liked it so much.
1618
01:38:53,881 --> 01:38:56,135
And it was just really beautiful.
1619
01:38:56,135 --> 01:38:59,495
♪ The signs in the sky won't let up ♪
1620
01:38:59,495 --> 01:39:03,172
♪ The clouds assume the shape ♪
1621
01:39:03,172 --> 01:39:07,181
♪ Of Catholic girls with uzis ♪
1622
01:39:07,181 --> 01:39:10,802
♪ All of them on the make ♪
1623
01:39:10,802 --> 01:39:13,971
♪ All of them out to make a million ♪
1624
01:39:13,971 --> 01:39:18,465
♪ By the time they hit thirteen ♪
1625
01:39:18,465 --> 01:39:22,455
♪ And it's all in the colour
of the old sun setting ♪
1626
01:39:22,455 --> 01:39:25,952
♪ This brand new age of bloodletting ♪
1627
01:39:25,952 --> 01:39:30,035
♪ And it's all in the eyes of me ♪
1628
01:39:54,762 --> 01:39:58,593
♪ I'm suspicious of my wife ♪
1629
01:39:58,593 --> 01:40:02,231
♪ I suspect she left long ago ♪
1630
01:40:02,231 --> 01:40:05,820
♪ I recall my finger on the
button of the ejector seat ♪
1631
01:40:05,820 --> 01:40:10,022
♪ But I can't recall letting her go ♪
1632
01:40:10,022 --> 01:40:14,012
♪ The electric Christ has canonised her ♪
1633
01:40:14,012 --> 01:40:17,689
♪ She's surrounded by a chemical glow ♪
1634
01:40:17,689 --> 01:40:21,782
♪ It has to be said ♪
1635
01:40:21,782 --> 01:40:26,752
♪ It's today's edition
of the book of the dead ♪
1636
01:40:26,752 --> 01:40:29,752
♪ It has to be said ♪
1637
01:40:31,041 --> 01:40:34,541
(guitar strumming gently)
1638
01:41:23,571 --> 01:41:27,509
- There's a version of You Are My Sunshine
1639
01:41:27,509 --> 01:41:31,009
by Brian Ferry from like 1973 or something
1640
01:41:32,913 --> 01:41:36,801
and he just makes it the most appallingly
1641
01:41:36,801 --> 01:41:40,968
sorrowful song that you've
ever heard in your life
1642
01:41:42,312 --> 01:41:44,952
and it's incredibly slow and it goes
1643
01:41:44,952 --> 01:41:47,543
for about seven minutes or something
1644
01:41:47,543 --> 01:41:50,568
and it's just so fantastic because
1645
01:41:50,568 --> 01:41:52,901
this song that has become...
1646
01:41:55,399 --> 01:41:58,899
The virtue of the use of the word sunshine
1647
01:42:00,930 --> 01:42:04,347
has become perceived as something that is
1648
01:42:09,351 --> 01:42:12,711
upbeat but it's actually about someone
1649
01:42:12,711 --> 01:42:15,878
who dies and is consequently very sad.
1650
01:42:20,373 --> 01:42:23,290
And I think The Carnival Is Over is
1651
01:42:28,307 --> 01:42:30,474
intrinsically, achingly sad.
1652
01:42:43,515 --> 01:42:45,682
(ticking)
1653
01:42:49,303 --> 01:42:52,685
I step through the gates
of St Louis Cathedral
1654
01:42:52,685 --> 01:42:55,685
I'm surrounded by an absence of rows
1655
01:42:58,038 --> 01:43:02,219
cathedral rears up
before me, huge and calm.
1656
01:43:02,219 --> 01:43:05,505
Cypress trees bear witness to nothing
1657
01:43:05,505 --> 01:43:10,447
sway and ruffled, slow
dancing on the wind of rain
1658
01:43:10,447 --> 01:43:15,447
and I know, I know that every
clock, watch and chronograph
1659
01:43:15,729 --> 01:43:19,312
just snap to the grid
and it's now 11:22 AM
1660
01:43:24,549 --> 01:43:28,665
my second step down the
park the sun comes out.
1661
01:43:28,665 --> 01:43:30,582
Bright and stolen gold.
1662
01:43:32,445 --> 01:43:35,278
I inhale deeply, there is no sound
1663
01:43:37,499 --> 01:43:41,527
but the rush and crackle
of burning tobacco.
1664
01:43:41,527 --> 01:43:44,605
I look up at the sky's reflection
1665
01:43:44,605 --> 01:43:47,438
pools of water glisten at my feet.
1666
01:43:48,578 --> 01:43:51,219
For one small moment the silence is broken
1667
01:43:51,219 --> 01:43:54,302
by a sound hard and fast at my heels.
1668
01:43:55,755 --> 01:43:58,989
In that moment I'm impossibly quiet
1669
01:43:58,989 --> 01:44:01,775
and heavy and heavier than I can bear.
1670
01:44:01,775 --> 01:44:04,520
They sky tilts on it's axis
1671
01:44:04,520 --> 01:44:07,853
and I'm staring straight into it's mould.
1672
01:44:08,719 --> 01:44:12,537
I close my eyes and look into heaven.
1673
01:44:12,537 --> 01:44:15,120
The sun explodes behind my eyes
1674
01:44:17,875 --> 01:44:20,625
a heartbeat and the sky goes out.
1675
01:44:22,617 --> 01:44:24,950
In another they're all gone.
1676
01:44:26,168 --> 01:44:29,501
Angels hall I feel a shadow form over me
1677
01:44:32,643 --> 01:44:35,226
and my eyes can no longer open.
1678
01:44:37,125 --> 01:44:41,458
As I stare up into awaken
blue, there is no weather.
1679
01:44:42,334 --> 01:44:45,751
And I realise that for the first time now
1680
01:44:47,919 --> 01:44:49,502
I am only in dream.
1681
01:44:51,209 --> 01:44:54,709
(gentle orchestral music)
1682
01:45:33,321 --> 01:45:34,571
Rowland Howard.
1683
01:45:51,222 --> 01:45:56,222
(Autoluminecent by
Rowland S Howard playing)
1684
01:46:08,073 --> 01:46:12,149
♪ I am blinding ♪
1685
01:46:12,149 --> 01:46:16,263
♪ Autoluminescent ♪
1686
01:46:16,263 --> 01:46:20,426
♪ I am white heat ♪
1687
01:46:20,426 --> 01:46:24,714
♪ I am heaven sent ♪
1688
01:46:24,714 --> 01:46:28,193
♪ I was a nightmare ♪
1689
01:46:28,193 --> 01:46:32,473
♪ I'm not gonna go there ♪
1690
01:46:32,473 --> 01:46:34,473
♪ Again ♪
1691
01:46:49,623 --> 01:46:53,593
♪ Into the black hole ♪
1692
01:46:53,593 --> 01:46:57,884
♪ The house of no contest ♪
1693
01:46:57,884 --> 01:47:01,884
♪ Make mine a meteor ♪
1694
01:47:01,884 --> 01:47:05,692
♪ Rise me above the rest ♪
1695
01:47:05,692 --> 01:47:09,982
♪ I'm soaring through outer space ♪
1696
01:47:09,982 --> 01:47:13,684
♪ There is no better place ♪
1697
01:47:13,684 --> 01:47:15,684
♪ To be ♪
1698
01:47:29,931 --> 01:47:33,964
♪ I'm bigger than Jesus Christ ♪
1699
01:47:33,964 --> 01:47:38,313
♪ I'm greater than God in light ♪
1700
01:47:38,313 --> 01:47:42,012
♪ I am dangerous ♪
1701
01:47:42,012 --> 01:47:45,833
♪ I cut like the sharpest knife ♪
1702
01:47:45,833 --> 01:47:49,862
♪ I'm going nova ♪
1703
01:47:49,862 --> 01:47:54,570
♪ And I hope I can hold her ♪
1704
01:47:54,570 --> 01:47:56,320
♪ In ♪
1705
01:48:10,802 --> 01:48:14,633
♪ Into the darkness ♪
1706
01:48:14,633 --> 01:48:18,844
♪ I gave away myself ♪
1707
01:48:18,844 --> 01:48:22,873
♪ Slipped on the spiral stairs ♪
1708
01:48:22,873 --> 01:48:26,833
♪ Tumbling down the well ♪
1709
01:48:26,833 --> 01:48:31,084
♪ I fell on a soft spot ♪
1710
01:48:31,084 --> 01:48:34,572
♪ I'm white heat, I'm white hot ♪
1711
01:48:34,572 --> 01:48:39,572
♪ Again ♪
1712
01:48:42,803 --> 01:48:45,053
♪ Again... ♪
126742
Can't find what you're looking for?
Get subtitles in any language from opensubtitles.com, and translate them here.
Afrikaans
Akan
Albanian
Amharic
Arabic
Armenian
Azerbaijani
Basque
Belarusian
Bemba
Bengali
Bihari
Bosnian
Breton
Bulgarian
Cambodian
Catalan
Cebuano
Cherokee
Chichewa
Chinese (Simplified)
Chinese (Traditional)
Corsican
Croatian
Czech
Danish
English
Esperanto
Estonian
Faroese
Finnish
Frisian
Galician
Georgian
German
Greek
Guarani
Haitian Creole
Hausa
Hawaiian
Hebrew
Hmong
Hungarian
Icelandic
Indonesian
Irish
Italian
Japanese
Kazakh
Kinyarwanda
Kirundi
Kongo
Korean
Krio (Sierra Leone)
Kurdish
Kyrgyz
Laothian
Latin
Latvian
Lithuanian
Luganda
Luo
Luxembourgish
Macedonian
Malagasy
Malay
Maltese
Maori
Mauritian Creole
Moldavian
Mongolian
Myanmar (Burmese)
Montenegrin
Nepali
Norwegian
Pashto
Persian
Polish
Portuguese (Brazil)
Portuguese (Portugal)
Quechua
Romanian
Romansh
Russian
Samoan
Scots Gaelic
Serbian
Sesotho
Setswana
Seychellois Creole
Shona
Sindhi
Sinhalese
Slovak
Slovenian
Somali
Spanish
Swedish
Tajik
Thai
Tigrinya
Tonga
Turkish
Turkmen
Ukrainian
Uzbek
Vietnamese
Welsh
Wolof