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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,241 --> 00:00:10,137 what the psychiatrist was doing 2 00:00:10,241 --> 00:00:11,586 in the mortuary the other night. 3 00:00:11,689 --> 00:00:13,448 What happened to you as a child 4 00:00:13,551 --> 00:00:14,793 was not your fault. 5 00:00:14,896 --> 00:00:16,689 It's possible you have developed 6 00:00:16,793 --> 00:00:19,379 other personalities as a way to cope. 7 00:00:20,379 --> 00:00:21,907 Can you come with me so I can get your fingerprints? 8 00:00:21,931 --> 00:00:22,976 Are you sleeping with my wife? 9 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,206 I can't help you. I barely know your wife. 10 00:00:25,310 --> 00:00:26,830 Yes, we've been looking into the deaths 11 00:00:26,965 --> 00:00:29,310 of two former residents of Ledford House. 12 00:00:29,413 --> 00:00:31,793 After she disappeared, the police were contacted. 13 00:00:31,896 --> 00:00:34,068 They reached out to us at the time and we did nothing. 14 00:00:34,172 --> 00:00:35,172 Can you swim? 15 00:00:39,172 --> 00:00:40,413 We need to talk. 16 00:01:02,172 --> 00:01:03,758 You can't look for Martin. 17 00:01:03,862 --> 00:01:04,862 You hurt him. 18 00:01:06,448 --> 00:01:07,827 His feet are dirty. 19 00:01:09,310 --> 00:01:10,896 Can I wash them? 20 00:01:34,793 --> 00:01:36,344 Sometimes children have trouble 21 00:01:36,448 --> 00:01:37,931 with the concept of time. 22 00:01:42,551 --> 00:01:44,620 Such as when or how often something occurred. 23 00:01:45,551 --> 00:01:47,896 They often think that grownups already know everything 24 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,689 they might have to say, 25 00:01:49,793 --> 00:01:52,586 and are more inclined to omit sexual details 26 00:01:52,689 --> 00:01:54,724 than place particular stress on them. 27 00:01:55,724 --> 00:01:59,758 Our memories are intimately connected to our perceptions. 28 00:01:59,862 --> 00:02:03,068 What we see, hear and feel. 29 00:02:09,344 --> 00:02:11,275 One clinical example is a teenage girl 30 00:02:11,379 --> 00:02:13,241 who smells her boyfriend's semen... 31 00:02:15,103 --> 00:02:17,517 and realises that this isn't the first time 32 00:02:17,620 --> 00:02:19,413 she's encountered that smell. 33 00:02:20,103 --> 00:02:21,793 And that instigates a process 34 00:02:21,896 --> 00:02:23,448 through which she comes to remember 35 00:02:23,551 --> 00:02:25,034 her father's abuse of her. 36 00:02:26,310 --> 00:02:28,275 In an incestuous family, 37 00:02:28,379 --> 00:02:30,827 the boundaries between adults and children 38 00:02:30,931 --> 00:02:32,689 are unclear and hazy. 39 00:02:33,620 --> 00:02:36,827 All needs are satisfied within the family. 40 00:02:37,689 --> 00:02:40,310 The daughter often switches roles with the mother 41 00:02:40,413 --> 00:02:42,620 and might replace her in the kitchen, for instance, 42 00:02:42,724 --> 00:02:44,655 but also in the bed. 43 00:02:45,068 --> 00:02:47,344 The family does everything together 44 00:02:47,448 --> 00:02:50,482 and, from the outside, looks like the ideal family. 45 00:02:56,517 --> 00:02:57,665 There are many ways to cry... 46 00:02:57,689 --> 00:02:59,344 noisily... 47 00:02:59,448 --> 00:03:00,655 quietly... 48 00:03:02,793 --> 00:03:04,172 -or not at all. -Or not at all. 49 00:03:07,620 --> 00:03:08,896 Come on, you. 50 00:03:09,482 --> 00:03:10,655 Teatime. 51 00:03:45,551 --> 00:03:46,586 Sit. 52 00:03:48,724 --> 00:03:52,793 โ™ช Rock-a-bye, baby on the tree top โ™ช 53 00:03:52,896 --> 00:03:56,586 โ™ช When the wind blows the cradle will rock โ™ช 54 00:03:56,689 --> 00:04:00,275 โ™ช When the bough breaks the cradle will fall โ™ช 55 00:04:00,379 --> 00:04:01,448 โ™ช It will fall 56 00:04:01,551 --> 00:04:05,931 โ™ช And down will come baby cradle and all โ™ช 57 00:04:11,827 --> 00:04:15,827 โ™ช Hush, little baby 58 00:04:15,931 --> 00:04:18,931 โ™ช Don't you weep 59 00:04:22,689 --> 00:04:24,172 Would you like some milk? 60 00:04:24,275 --> 00:04:25,275 Say when. 61 00:04:34,793 --> 00:04:36,000 Excuse the fingers. 62 00:04:46,724 --> 00:04:47,724 Tea? 63 00:04:53,758 --> 00:04:54,931 What do you want? 64 00:04:58,275 --> 00:05:00,310 Because we can talk if you like. 65 00:05:01,931 --> 00:05:03,000 I do wanna talk. 66 00:05:03,517 --> 00:05:04,586 Okay. 67 00:05:04,689 --> 00:05:06,000 But this time... 68 00:05:08,172 --> 00:05:10,448 I wanna talk about what's going on inside... 69 00:05:12,344 --> 00:05:13,482 your head. 70 00:05:14,103 --> 00:05:15,965 Oh, that's crazy. 71 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,724 I don't think you're supposed to say that. 72 00:05:20,379 --> 00:05:22,793 No, I'm not. I'm... I apologise. 73 00:05:22,896 --> 00:05:24,344 Don't worry. 74 00:05:24,448 --> 00:05:26,172 I mean, you're not very well. 75 00:05:27,206 --> 00:05:30,068 You've had quite bad headaches 76 00:05:30,172 --> 00:05:32,379 and blackouts recently, haven't you? 77 00:05:32,482 --> 00:05:34,000 How do you know? 78 00:05:35,034 --> 00:05:37,448 Have you been following me to my hospital appointments? 79 00:05:38,413 --> 00:05:40,068 I do follow you. Sort of. 80 00:05:41,310 --> 00:05:43,517 Then you'll know that I'm completely well. 81 00:05:43,620 --> 00:05:44,793 I just... 82 00:05:45,586 --> 00:05:47,426 -I just don't feel like myself. -Like myself. 83 00:05:53,068 --> 00:05:54,482 Do you know why you feel strange? 84 00:05:59,103 --> 00:06:00,482 It's because you're not you. 85 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,379 You're not a person. 86 00:06:07,068 --> 00:06:08,862 Are you trying to scare me? 87 00:06:10,103 --> 00:06:11,103 No. 88 00:06:12,310 --> 00:06:15,482 I wrote notes on my notes that you wrote, to help you. 89 00:06:16,310 --> 00:06:17,517 -Mm-hmm. -I saw. 90 00:06:20,310 --> 00:06:23,000 We wrote them... together in a way. 91 00:06:23,896 --> 00:06:24,965 There are notes 92 00:06:26,206 --> 00:06:27,620 for both of us to try and understand 93 00:06:27,724 --> 00:06:29,137 what part we play in... 94 00:06:30,241 --> 00:06:31,241 being. 95 00:06:32,068 --> 00:06:33,068 Okay. 96 00:06:34,620 --> 00:06:35,724 Okay. 97 00:06:36,655 --> 00:06:39,517 What if it's you who needs help? 98 00:06:41,275 --> 00:06:45,172 No, I'm the therapist. You're the patient. 99 00:06:45,275 --> 00:06:47,103 Okay. You're being a bit loud. 100 00:06:49,517 --> 00:06:50,896 Actually... 101 00:06:52,758 --> 00:06:54,551 the A.N.P. is always louder. 102 00:06:55,103 --> 00:06:56,631 It's not your fault, but you have ended up being 103 00:06:56,655 --> 00:06:59,000 quite a loud person. 104 00:06:59,103 --> 00:07:01,586 Why did you just call me an A.N.P.? 105 00:07:02,551 --> 00:07:03,620 Because you are one. 106 00:07:05,379 --> 00:07:07,275 See, I don't think you know what that means. 107 00:07:09,862 --> 00:07:11,000 I know what it means. 108 00:07:13,275 --> 00:07:14,315 Do you know what it means? 109 00:07:15,068 --> 00:07:16,527 Do you think the memories you're having 110 00:07:16,551 --> 00:07:19,137 are just memories of my memories 111 00:07:19,241 --> 00:07:20,620 that I've told you about? 112 00:07:20,724 --> 00:07:21,931 Er... 113 00:07:22,724 --> 00:07:23,896 That's a bit crazy, isn't it? 114 00:07:24,862 --> 00:07:28,448 Yeah, I can't remember things that didn't happen to me. 115 00:07:28,551 --> 00:07:29,586 Exactly. 116 00:07:31,965 --> 00:07:36,206 Look, I want you to get out of my house now, Victoria. 117 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,206 I actually really like and respect you. 118 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,000 I do. 119 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,482 I didn't bring you here to argue. 120 00:07:47,103 --> 00:07:48,103 I'm grateful to you 121 00:07:48,206 --> 00:07:49,965 because you've done a lot of very 122 00:07:50,896 --> 00:07:52,827 boring stuff for me. 123 00:07:53,482 --> 00:07:56,103 The parts of being a person that I actually find very hard. 124 00:07:57,172 --> 00:07:59,689 Like wearing normal clothes 125 00:07:59,793 --> 00:08:01,965 and using all the hair products 126 00:08:02,758 --> 00:08:04,137 and making reservations 127 00:08:04,241 --> 00:08:05,586 and turning up to things 128 00:08:05,689 --> 00:08:07,620 and being nice and polite 129 00:08:07,724 --> 00:08:09,620 and quite sort of... 130 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,172 attractive. 131 00:08:13,034 --> 00:08:14,896 I mean, quite sexy sometimes. 132 00:08:15,275 --> 00:08:17,206 And, you know, I actually, I, er... 133 00:08:17,310 --> 00:08:18,620 I really appreciate it. 134 00:08:20,931 --> 00:08:23,310 But now I'm just not gonna have someone doing that anymore. 135 00:08:24,034 --> 00:08:25,517 Because I, er... 136 00:08:26,655 --> 00:08:28,551 Yeah, I don't think I need it. 137 00:08:29,896 --> 00:08:32,448 But you have done a really... 138 00:08:33,758 --> 00:08:35,965 really good job. I mean, seriously... 139 00:08:36,068 --> 00:08:37,482 I am your therapist. 140 00:08:38,896 --> 00:08:40,172 I work with you. 141 00:08:41,103 --> 00:08:43,586 You also work for other people, don't you? 142 00:08:44,172 --> 00:08:45,551 Yes, I have other clients. 143 00:08:45,655 --> 00:08:46,827 Not them. 144 00:08:49,793 --> 00:08:51,833 The people who think they're more important than me. 145 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,896 The people who want to control us. 146 00:08:56,862 --> 00:08:58,448 They try to make us forget the truth 147 00:08:58,551 --> 00:08:59,655 so we don't report them. 148 00:09:03,068 --> 00:09:04,413 I don't know who you mean. 149 00:09:07,275 --> 00:09:10,000 You've also let things slip a bit, haven't you? 150 00:09:10,931 --> 00:09:12,206 Yeah. 151 00:09:12,724 --> 00:09:14,827 People are starting to see behind the mask sometimes. 152 00:09:16,068 --> 00:09:17,206 I mean, don't you think? 153 00:09:21,482 --> 00:09:25,068 Do you wanna call your therapist? 154 00:09:25,896 --> 00:09:26,896 Yes. 155 00:09:27,448 --> 00:09:29,655 Sorry. You can't. 156 00:09:31,724 --> 00:09:33,172 Then please, can I leave? 157 00:09:33,586 --> 00:09:35,386 You probably won't ever leave this flat again. 158 00:09:36,689 --> 00:09:38,329 Whatever you do to me, you do to yourself. 159 00:09:51,827 --> 00:09:53,137 I created you. 160 00:10:05,137 --> 00:10:06,517 Do you mind if I have another tea? 161 00:10:10,310 --> 00:10:11,586 Why would I mind? 162 00:10:12,172 --> 00:10:15,448 Well, you might not be able to sleep 163 00:10:15,551 --> 00:10:16,655 if I have one this late. 164 00:10:17,793 --> 00:10:19,103 Wha... What? 165 00:10:20,275 --> 00:10:21,862 You need to be able to rest. 166 00:10:23,275 --> 00:10:24,389 Because I want you to understand 167 00:10:24,413 --> 00:10:25,413 what's gonna happen. 168 00:10:27,103 --> 00:10:29,413 I'm giving you time to prepare. 169 00:10:33,965 --> 00:10:36,310 Wait, please. 170 00:10:37,310 --> 00:10:38,803 Wait, there's something you should know. 171 00:10:38,827 --> 00:10:40,137 Something important. 172 00:10:40,241 --> 00:10:41,241 Please wait. 173 00:10:44,724 --> 00:10:47,034 I'm going to write it down, 174 00:10:48,862 --> 00:10:50,310 so you can see it. 175 00:10:50,413 --> 00:10:51,655 In case I'm not here. 176 00:10:56,241 --> 00:10:59,379 It might make a difference to what you decide to do. 177 00:11:57,965 --> 00:11:59,103 Get a grip. 178 00:11:59,620 --> 00:12:01,137 You're an absolute fucking babe. 179 00:12:13,103 --> 00:12:14,793 Did CCTV lose White? 180 00:12:14,896 --> 00:12:16,217 Yes, we lost him down by the docks. 181 00:12:16,241 --> 00:12:17,241 Morning, ma'am. 182 00:12:17,310 --> 00:12:19,034 Er, uniforms all over it. 183 00:12:19,137 --> 00:12:20,413 He must have had a car. 184 00:12:20,517 --> 00:12:21,631 Er, does anybody have, like, 185 00:12:21,655 --> 00:12:23,241 a breakfast bar for me to eat, please? 186 00:12:28,379 --> 00:12:30,482 I'm not sure paracetamol counts as a snack. 187 00:12:30,758 --> 00:12:31,896 No, it's a serious medicine. 188 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,896 Until you're my age, and then it is a snack. 189 00:12:34,655 --> 00:12:35,655 Jeanette... 190 00:12:36,896 --> 00:12:37,896 What's this? 191 00:12:39,206 --> 00:12:40,344 Oh, we've got a match. 192 00:12:41,344 --> 00:12:43,758 The half-burnt Jerry can from the Burkeman house, it's... 193 00:12:44,965 --> 00:12:48,068 it's a match to prints that we've got in the system. 194 00:12:48,172 --> 00:12:50,862 It's... it's saying it's a match 195 00:12:50,965 --> 00:12:53,551 for a Dr Sophia Craven. 196 00:12:57,448 --> 00:12:59,896 That doesn't seem... Mi... Mike? 197 00:13:00,344 --> 00:13:02,034 I took the prints carefully. 198 00:13:02,517 --> 00:13:04,172 Okay, let me just... let me just... 199 00:13:06,413 --> 00:13:07,931 Er... let me just, er... 200 00:13:08,551 --> 00:13:10,310 Fucking think for a fucking minute. 201 00:13:11,448 --> 00:13:12,517 Erm... 202 00:13:13,551 --> 00:13:15,551 We have to work with the clues we have, 203 00:13:16,448 --> 00:13:17,838 not the clues you would prefer to have 204 00:13:17,862 --> 00:13:19,424 because it would make more sense to you, Jeanette. 205 00:13:19,448 --> 00:13:20,700 Yeah, no, no, no, no. I understand that. 206 00:13:20,724 --> 00:13:22,103 And I, I... I agree with you. 207 00:13:22,206 --> 00:13:23,379 It's, it's just... 208 00:13:26,206 --> 00:13:27,586 She's on the phone. 209 00:13:27,689 --> 00:13:28,896 Erm... 210 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,000 Answer it! 211 00:13:30,068 --> 00:13:34,206 I am 100% sure that Sophia, 212 00:13:34,310 --> 00:13:36,448 you know, was not involved 213 00:13:36,551 --> 00:13:37,562 in the murder of Ben Burkeman. 214 00:13:37,586 --> 00:13:38,620 I'm sorry. I just... 215 00:13:38,724 --> 00:13:40,586 I'm allowed to say what my gut instinct is. 216 00:13:40,689 --> 00:13:43,068 The evidence would suggest otherwise, detective. 217 00:13:44,034 --> 00:13:46,689 So, you need to consider why Sophia Craven 218 00:13:46,793 --> 00:13:49,206 might want to kill one of Victoria Burkeman's parents. 219 00:13:49,965 --> 00:13:51,517 Whatever your next move is, 220 00:13:51,620 --> 00:13:52,896 you make it the right one. 221 00:13:53,931 --> 00:13:56,206 Because Victoria's next move could be her endgame. 222 00:15:40,896 --> 00:15:41,931 Fuck. 223 00:16:05,689 --> 00:16:06,724 Maybe Sophia came 224 00:16:06,827 --> 00:16:07,872 looking for you at the mortuary. 225 00:16:07,896 --> 00:16:09,000 No. 226 00:16:09,103 --> 00:16:11,000 Could she be working with Eva? Helping her? 227 00:16:11,689 --> 00:16:13,000 Eva reported her, so no. 228 00:16:14,482 --> 00:16:19,241 Her own line of interest or enquiry? 229 00:16:19,344 --> 00:16:20,344 What, with dead people? 230 00:16:24,137 --> 00:16:25,577 Did you review her psych assessments? 231 00:16:25,655 --> 00:16:28,241 Yeah, there's nothing we don't already know. 232 00:16:28,344 --> 00:16:30,064 There's a fuck of a lot we don't know, Mike. 233 00:16:34,241 --> 00:16:36,517 After Victoria left the Burkemans, did she 234 00:16:37,724 --> 00:16:41,068 seek out any other type of treatment before Sophia? 235 00:16:41,793 --> 00:16:43,000 If she did, it was off book. 236 00:16:43,482 --> 00:16:46,034 Private or some other service provider. 237 00:16:46,896 --> 00:16:49,241 Or was there anything at Victoria's old flat 238 00:16:49,344 --> 00:16:52,344 that would suggest Sophia's treatment of Victoria was... 239 00:16:56,137 --> 00:16:57,206 unorthodox. 240 00:16:57,862 --> 00:16:59,000 Mm, no. 241 00:16:59,517 --> 00:17:00,717 But we weren't looking for it. 242 00:17:02,137 --> 00:17:03,182 I can go back. I can look again. 243 00:17:03,206 --> 00:17:04,344 Yeah, look again. 244 00:17:07,275 --> 00:17:08,724 I'm gonna call the lab, 245 00:17:08,827 --> 00:17:10,206 have them talk me through it. 246 00:17:11,137 --> 00:17:12,275 Doesn't make sense. 247 00:17:13,344 --> 00:17:15,000 I just don't believe 248 00:17:15,103 --> 00:17:16,389 Sophia could have been at the Burkemans. 249 00:17:16,413 --> 00:17:17,769 There's something we don't understand here, 250 00:17:17,793 --> 00:17:19,448 that we just don't understand. 251 00:17:20,862 --> 00:17:21,965 Makes your brain hurt. 252 00:17:24,586 --> 00:17:25,655 Mm-hmm. 253 00:17:37,103 --> 00:17:38,103 The fuck? 254 00:18:20,551 --> 00:18:21,689 Bristol Infirmary. 255 00:18:21,793 --> 00:18:23,137 Yeah, Dr Sophia Craven. 256 00:18:23,241 --> 00:18:25,758 Could I be put through to the psychiatric unit, please? 257 00:18:25,862 --> 00:18:27,034 Yeah. Just please hold. 258 00:18:34,344 --> 00:18:35,586 Psychiatric unit. 259 00:18:35,689 --> 00:18:38,379 Yes, I have a patient in need of urgent medical care. 260 00:18:39,620 --> 00:18:41,103 She needs sectioning today. 261 00:18:41,206 --> 00:18:43,482 She's at risk of harming herself and others. 262 00:18:44,034 --> 00:18:45,034 Name of patient. 263 00:18:45,137 --> 00:18:46,241 Sophia Craven. 264 00:18:46,620 --> 00:18:47,965 Patient, not the doctor. 265 00:18:48,827 --> 00:18:49,931 It's for me. 266 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,482 Hello? Hello, are... are you there? 267 00:20:44,689 --> 00:20:45,689 Time to go. 268 00:22:22,241 --> 00:22:23,841 There's something you're gonna wanna see. 269 00:22:30,551 --> 00:22:31,586 What am I looking at? 270 00:22:31,689 --> 00:22:34,206 Psych report after her first evaluation. 271 00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:36,034 Much later when she was at university. 272 00:22:36,724 --> 00:22:38,206 But before Sophia, 273 00:22:39,206 --> 00:22:40,586 there was someone else. 274 00:22:42,379 --> 00:22:43,413 What the fuck? 275 00:22:44,689 --> 00:22:45,689 Come on. 276 00:23:14,965 --> 00:23:19,000 Doctor, the police are here, regarding an old patient. 277 00:23:19,896 --> 00:23:22,275 Client. We say client. 278 00:23:22,862 --> 00:23:24,103 Yes, of course. 279 00:23:24,206 --> 00:23:25,517 Sorry, you have told me before. 280 00:23:28,241 --> 00:23:29,275 Thank you, nurse. 281 00:23:29,758 --> 00:23:31,517 You can shut the door on the way out. 282 00:23:37,448 --> 00:23:39,965 She has undiagnosed depression, 283 00:23:40,586 --> 00:23:42,344 almost certainly, possibly, 284 00:23:42,965 --> 00:23:44,482 early onset Alzheimer's. 285 00:23:45,172 --> 00:23:47,551 I do wish she'd get some proper treatment 286 00:23:47,655 --> 00:23:49,620 and make all our lives a little easier, but... 287 00:23:50,862 --> 00:23:53,068 no one has time for themselves anymore. 288 00:23:53,689 --> 00:23:56,103 So we just carry on until we drop dead. 289 00:23:59,310 --> 00:24:01,862 Oh. Please, come in. Sit down. 290 00:24:02,275 --> 00:24:03,275 Thank you. 291 00:24:08,517 --> 00:24:12,689 Hi, I'm DCI Jeanette Kilburn, and this is... 292 00:24:12,793 --> 00:24:14,206 I'm DC Mike Dilliston. 293 00:24:15,517 --> 00:24:17,586 Are you Dr Sophia Craven? 294 00:24:17,689 --> 00:24:18,724 Yes. 295 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,862 We want to talk to you about one of your 296 00:24:27,344 --> 00:24:30,000 former clients from about 15 years ago, 297 00:24:31,862 --> 00:24:32,862 Victoria Burkeman. 298 00:24:36,137 --> 00:24:37,379 Do you remember her? 299 00:24:38,137 --> 00:24:39,137 Yes, Victoria. 300 00:24:40,862 --> 00:24:41,965 Yes, of course. 301 00:24:44,793 --> 00:24:46,206 Mm, keeping an eye on everyone? 302 00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:47,310 That's your job. 303 00:24:49,034 --> 00:24:51,586 People can do what they like, as far as I'm concerned. 304 00:24:53,931 --> 00:24:54,976 You may have seen on the news 305 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,103 that Victoria's wanted for questioning 306 00:24:57,206 --> 00:24:58,517 regarding four murders 307 00:24:58,931 --> 00:25:00,731 and the placing of dead bodies around Bristol. 308 00:25:01,689 --> 00:25:02,724 Right. 309 00:25:03,448 --> 00:25:04,689 You don't seem surprised. 310 00:25:05,724 --> 00:25:06,896 Yes and no. 311 00:25:08,517 --> 00:25:10,068 Many things are possible. 312 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,241 Could we ask you what your main area of discussion was 313 00:25:15,344 --> 00:25:16,827 in your sessions with her at the time? 314 00:25:16,931 --> 00:25:18,103 Yes. 315 00:25:18,206 --> 00:25:21,896 Victoria had a long history of family abuse. 316 00:25:22,689 --> 00:25:23,862 During that abuse, 317 00:25:24,379 --> 00:25:25,517 she became pregnant. 318 00:25:27,172 --> 00:25:28,655 Am I remembering correctly? 319 00:25:28,758 --> 00:25:31,344 No. A child was born in 2007, 320 00:25:31,448 --> 00:25:33,034 but that was her sister Madeleine. 321 00:25:33,724 --> 00:25:37,620 No. Victoria had a baby in 2007. 322 00:25:38,103 --> 00:25:40,103 Her parents told her the baby died. 323 00:25:41,862 --> 00:25:44,068 Given the history of sexual abuse, 324 00:25:44,551 --> 00:25:47,068 if it was Victoria who had the baby, 325 00:25:48,931 --> 00:25:51,172 perhaps the Burkemans lied to her 326 00:25:51,275 --> 00:25:53,551 and told her the baby was dead, 327 00:25:53,655 --> 00:25:55,448 but that they, in fact, 328 00:25:55,551 --> 00:25:58,517 kept the baby and raised it on their own. 329 00:25:59,793 --> 00:26:01,068 Such things happen. 330 00:26:03,206 --> 00:26:04,586 That would mean that 331 00:26:05,448 --> 00:26:09,206 Madeleine was Victoria's child. 332 00:26:11,275 --> 00:26:12,275 Madeleine... 333 00:26:13,655 --> 00:26:16,103 does she suspect that Victoria may be her mother? 334 00:26:16,551 --> 00:26:17,551 Madeleine was murdered. 335 00:26:18,896 --> 00:26:20,827 We believe Ben Burkeman killed her. 336 00:26:20,931 --> 00:26:23,103 Oh, that's devastating. 337 00:26:24,758 --> 00:26:26,724 If Ben Burkeman was her grandfather, 338 00:26:28,517 --> 00:26:29,724 then who was her father? 339 00:26:30,965 --> 00:26:33,758 It's possible Ben Burkeman was Madeleine's father, 340 00:26:34,620 --> 00:26:36,275 and her grandfather. 341 00:26:36,655 --> 00:26:39,344 Meaning she was Victoria's half-sister, 342 00:26:40,482 --> 00:26:41,827 and her daughter. 343 00:26:45,482 --> 00:26:46,482 We will check. 344 00:26:47,241 --> 00:26:48,517 Poor Victoria. 345 00:26:49,482 --> 00:26:52,586 She had, and very likely still has, 346 00:26:52,689 --> 00:26:54,482 as there is no cure, 347 00:26:54,586 --> 00:26:57,103 a condition called D.I.D. 348 00:26:57,965 --> 00:27:01,034 Dissociative Identity Disorder. 349 00:27:01,793 --> 00:27:04,551 Some people call it Multiple Personality Disorder, 350 00:27:04,655 --> 00:27:06,206 people outside of the field. 351 00:27:07,241 --> 00:27:09,034 She had a number of alters. 352 00:27:09,827 --> 00:27:11,551 Mary Magdalene was one, 353 00:27:12,655 --> 00:27:15,896 and another was animalistic, 354 00:27:16,448 --> 00:27:17,655 non-human. 355 00:27:20,172 --> 00:27:21,344 A crow. 356 00:27:22,689 --> 00:27:24,241 Some were key players, 357 00:27:24,344 --> 00:27:27,379 others were bit parts in the D.I.D. system. 358 00:27:28,689 --> 00:27:30,724 But each was formed 359 00:27:31,448 --> 00:27:33,793 as a response to moments of trauma. 360 00:27:35,517 --> 00:27:38,068 It was not her fault that she was unwell. 361 00:27:39,241 --> 00:27:42,000 This condition can be created by others, 362 00:27:43,137 --> 00:27:44,482 by their abuse. 363 00:27:45,310 --> 00:27:48,241 Abusers can benefit from the D.I.D. system, 364 00:27:48,896 --> 00:27:50,517 and its alters 365 00:27:50,620 --> 00:27:52,724 can be designed and curated 366 00:27:53,586 --> 00:27:55,000 by the abuser 367 00:27:55,931 --> 00:27:58,206 as a way of protecting themselves 368 00:27:58,310 --> 00:28:01,103 against the authorities and controlling the victim. 369 00:28:02,034 --> 00:28:04,517 They can help create an alter 370 00:28:04,620 --> 00:28:09,172 whose job it is to deny any abuse took place, 371 00:28:10,275 --> 00:28:13,206 or be totally unaware of the abuse. 372 00:28:13,931 --> 00:28:16,758 This can be done by a trigger word, 373 00:28:17,482 --> 00:28:18,724 a rhyme, 374 00:28:19,482 --> 00:28:20,551 or even a game. 375 00:28:21,137 --> 00:28:22,241 Do you have a daughter? 376 00:28:25,241 --> 00:28:26,620 Do you have a daughter? 377 00:28:26,724 --> 00:28:30,000 Or do you have a niece also called Dr Craven? 378 00:28:30,965 --> 00:28:32,413 Oh. 379 00:28:33,137 --> 00:28:34,817 I thought she might do something like this. 380 00:28:36,344 --> 00:28:37,448 Like what? 381 00:28:38,448 --> 00:28:40,000 Do you have a photo of her? 382 00:28:47,068 --> 00:28:48,068 Yes. 383 00:28:49,344 --> 00:28:50,413 Can I see it? 384 00:29:20,379 --> 00:29:21,448 Mmm. 385 00:29:23,034 --> 00:29:25,172 I can see what she's done with the hair. 386 00:29:28,655 --> 00:29:29,689 And the clothes. 387 00:29:31,206 --> 00:29:32,965 Can you explain that to me, please? 388 00:29:34,482 --> 00:29:36,896 This is a photograph of Victoria Burkeman. 389 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,000 Are you sure? 390 00:29:44,689 --> 00:29:45,827 Dr Craven... 391 00:29:46,413 --> 00:29:49,448 could you tell us a little bit more about D.I.D., please? 392 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,000 Certainly. 393 00:29:53,344 --> 00:29:57,620 People with D.I.D. can create an A.N.P., 394 00:29:58,793 --> 00:30:02,034 an "Apparently Normal Personality," 395 00:30:03,379 --> 00:30:07,034 that can steer the ship of the D.I.D. system 396 00:30:07,931 --> 00:30:09,655 and run the body full time. 397 00:30:11,310 --> 00:30:12,724 It seems 398 00:30:13,275 --> 00:30:17,448 that Victoria probably created an A.N.P. on me. 399 00:30:18,689 --> 00:30:20,758 Oh, my... my God. 400 00:30:21,965 --> 00:30:23,586 It's not that unusual. 401 00:30:24,551 --> 00:30:25,586 Okay. 402 00:30:30,965 --> 00:30:32,103 Sorry. 403 00:30:37,586 --> 00:30:38,793 I, er... 404 00:30:46,103 --> 00:30:49,689 Would this Sophia know that she was... 405 00:30:54,103 --> 00:30:56,310 Would this Sophia know that she was an alter, 406 00:30:56,965 --> 00:30:58,586 or an A.N.P.? 407 00:30:59,068 --> 00:31:00,379 Probably not. 408 00:31:01,620 --> 00:31:03,344 And it's actually very clever. 409 00:31:04,482 --> 00:31:05,827 Because it means Victoria 410 00:31:05,931 --> 00:31:08,896 has her therapist with her at all times. 411 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,758 -Mm-hmm. -She can, in a sense, 412 00:31:11,862 --> 00:31:13,931 take over the treatment of herself. 413 00:31:15,310 --> 00:31:17,000 But she can also... 414 00:31:18,724 --> 00:31:19,724 What? 415 00:31:19,827 --> 00:31:22,448 She may also just decide 416 00:31:23,172 --> 00:31:25,241 to skip the therapeutic method 417 00:31:25,344 --> 00:31:30,793 and try to get rid of all the alters herself. 418 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,586 Stop, stop. 419 00:31:38,931 --> 00:31:40,000 How would she do that? 420 00:31:42,275 --> 00:31:44,965 Yeah. Yes. We're leaving now. 421 00:31:46,965 --> 00:31:48,620 What a fucking shitshow. 422 00:31:49,448 --> 00:31:50,862 Oh, my fucking God. 423 00:31:51,655 --> 00:31:52,896 What the fuck is wrong with me? 424 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,182 Look, that's not gonna help right now. 425 00:31:54,206 --> 00:31:55,526 No, no, Mike, you don't understand 426 00:31:55,620 --> 00:31:57,517 the degree of head-fuckery I've been a part of. 427 00:31:57,620 --> 00:31:59,000 I am... I am knee-deep. 428 00:31:59,103 --> 00:32:01,103 I am... No, waist-deep in shit. 429 00:32:01,206 --> 00:32:03,113 I've blown up my entire fucking life for what? Huh? 430 00:32:03,137 --> 00:32:05,206 For... for a couple of shags and a kebab? 431 00:32:06,482 --> 00:32:07,482 You slept with Sophia? 432 00:32:07,586 --> 00:32:08,793 Yes, many, many times. 433 00:32:10,379 --> 00:32:13,275 Er... Look, look. 434 00:32:13,379 --> 00:32:15,379 Let's talk to Verity. 435 00:32:15,482 --> 00:32:17,827 I've corrupted the case. I've been lied to. 436 00:32:18,551 --> 00:32:21,137 I have been groomed into only seeing one thing 437 00:32:21,241 --> 00:32:23,010 when the truth has been staring me in the fucking face. 438 00:32:23,034 --> 00:32:25,034 And it is so messy and strange, 439 00:32:25,137 --> 00:32:26,417 because it makes a liar out of me 440 00:32:26,448 --> 00:32:28,172 even though I haven't lied. I swear. 441 00:32:28,275 --> 00:32:31,862 It is possible, like Dr Craven said, that... 442 00:32:32,758 --> 00:32:36,206 Sophia doesn't know she's an alter or the A.N.P. 443 00:32:36,827 --> 00:32:38,079 She might not know she lied to you. 444 00:32:38,103 --> 00:32:40,343 She might be telling the truth as far as she understands. 445 00:32:40,586 --> 00:32:41,793 Don't call Verity, okay. 446 00:32:41,896 --> 00:32:43,296 I wanna to talk to her face-to-face. 447 00:32:44,517 --> 00:32:45,931 -Sorry. -Sorry what? 448 00:32:47,034 --> 00:32:48,068 She's on the line. 449 00:32:48,172 --> 00:32:49,172 She's on the... 450 00:32:50,448 --> 00:32:51,976 Jeanette, we need to make an arrest now. 451 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,862 I know that! I know that! 452 00:32:53,965 --> 00:32:55,000 Fuck you. 453 00:32:55,655 --> 00:32:57,034 We're on our way. Meet us there. 454 00:33:05,344 --> 00:33:07,379 Oh, come on now. 455 00:33:07,655 --> 00:33:08,896 Come on, now. 456 00:33:10,586 --> 00:33:11,827 Alex, not a good time. 457 00:33:11,931 --> 00:33:13,448 Look, sorry. It's about Sophia. 458 00:33:13,827 --> 00:33:14,947 I went to see her yesterday, 459 00:33:15,034 --> 00:33:16,562 and I wanted you to know it wasn't normal. 460 00:33:16,586 --> 00:33:17,862 She was behaving... 461 00:33:17,965 --> 00:33:19,586 strangely. Very weird. 462 00:33:19,689 --> 00:33:20,803 Yeah, I'm... I'm dealing with it. 463 00:33:20,827 --> 00:33:21,941 I just don't trust her, Jeanette. 464 00:33:21,965 --> 00:33:23,896 Something's very off. I'm serious. 465 00:33:24,482 --> 00:33:25,493 Yeah, you're right. I'm sorting it. 466 00:33:25,517 --> 00:33:26,724 Sorting it? 467 00:33:26,827 --> 00:33:28,000 How though, Jeanette? 468 00:33:28,620 --> 00:33:29,655 Blue lights, two units, 469 00:33:29,758 --> 00:33:31,458 knocking-the-fucking-door- down type sorting it. 470 00:33:31,482 --> 00:33:32,655 Okay. Shit. 471 00:33:32,758 --> 00:33:33,862 Jojo okay? 472 00:33:33,965 --> 00:33:35,965 He's fine. We're fine. 473 00:33:36,068 --> 00:33:38,517 Good. That's good. Er... 474 00:33:39,689 --> 00:33:41,896 -Look, Alex... -It's okay. I know. 475 00:33:44,068 --> 00:33:45,517 -I'm here. -Thanks. 476 00:33:45,620 --> 00:33:47,517 -I'll call you later, okay? -Okay. 477 00:34:16,034 --> 00:34:17,068 No! 478 00:34:52,931 --> 00:34:54,482 So, how are you, Victoria? 479 00:34:59,758 --> 00:35:00,827 I'm okay. 480 00:35:02,103 --> 00:35:03,103 How are you? 481 00:35:03,655 --> 00:35:05,034 I'm very well. 482 00:35:05,137 --> 00:35:06,379 Thank you for asking. 483 00:35:07,206 --> 00:35:09,482 Last time we talked about some of the difficulties 484 00:35:09,586 --> 00:35:12,724 you were having navigating the business of being alive. 485 00:35:13,689 --> 00:35:15,068 A lot of it's unbearable. 486 00:35:17,931 --> 00:35:19,137 I don't know how people cope. 487 00:35:20,034 --> 00:35:21,827 Do you think some people just 488 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,103 grin and bear it? 489 00:35:25,103 --> 00:35:26,172 They must. 490 00:35:27,758 --> 00:35:28,862 Or perhaps, 491 00:35:29,241 --> 00:35:33,413 some people don't feel things as deeply as you do? 492 00:35:36,379 --> 00:35:37,448 Maybe. 493 00:35:40,517 --> 00:35:44,034 Do you find it helpful talking in these sessions? 494 00:35:44,689 --> 00:35:46,827 Yes, very. 495 00:35:48,172 --> 00:35:50,137 What is it that you find helpful? 496 00:35:53,206 --> 00:35:54,241 I like talking to someone 497 00:35:54,344 --> 00:35:55,824 who seems to have their life in order. 498 00:35:57,689 --> 00:35:59,137 Order is important to you? 499 00:36:01,034 --> 00:36:02,551 Order's important to me now. 500 00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:05,482 I don't think it was before. 501 00:36:07,689 --> 00:36:09,586 You want to be more organised? 502 00:36:11,275 --> 00:36:12,655 I want to be more organised. 503 00:36:13,724 --> 00:36:15,344 You are doing really well. 504 00:36:16,275 --> 00:36:17,482 Thank you. 505 00:36:18,448 --> 00:36:19,793 I'm doing really well. 506 00:36:23,275 --> 00:36:25,793 Are you repeating everything I say? 507 00:36:26,793 --> 00:36:28,379 No. Sorry. I, erm... 508 00:36:30,172 --> 00:36:31,758 I like your intonation. 509 00:36:32,724 --> 00:36:33,758 Is that the word? The... 510 00:36:34,896 --> 00:36:36,655 sort of melody of the way you speak. 511 00:36:38,896 --> 00:36:39,965 I find it relaxing. 512 00:36:41,482 --> 00:36:44,344 Oh, er, sorry, one moment. I've got to, er... 513 00:36:44,689 --> 00:36:46,344 I actually have to leave early today. 514 00:36:46,448 --> 00:36:49,000 No, wait. We can continue. 515 00:36:49,103 --> 00:36:50,103 Next time. 516 00:36:54,241 --> 00:36:55,310 Thank you for the session. 517 00:37:01,413 --> 00:37:03,103 Dr Sophia Craven speaking. 518 00:37:04,586 --> 00:37:06,620 Dr Sophia Craven speaking. 519 00:38:54,034 --> 00:38:55,137 Sophia! 520 00:38:55,965 --> 00:38:56,965 It's Jeanette. 521 00:38:57,068 --> 00:38:58,758 I'm with the police. Open the door! 522 00:39:03,724 --> 00:39:04,931 They wanna come in. 523 00:39:05,344 --> 00:39:07,827 They wanna talk to you. I wanna talk to you, Sophia. 524 00:39:09,793 --> 00:39:10,827 Sophia! 525 00:39:11,896 --> 00:39:12,896 That's enough, Jeanette. 526 00:39:13,379 --> 00:39:14,517 Go ahead. 527 00:39:14,931 --> 00:39:16,758 Police! Show yourself! 528 00:39:16,862 --> 00:39:17,862 -Police! -Police! 529 00:39:17,965 --> 00:39:18,965 -Police! -Sophia! 530 00:39:19,068 --> 00:39:20,724 -Police! -Show yourself. Police! 531 00:39:20,827 --> 00:39:22,379 -Police! Show yourself! -Police! 532 00:39:30,103 --> 00:39:31,206 Jeanette. 533 00:39:40,137 --> 00:39:41,206 Just me. 534 00:41:20,827 --> 00:41:22,482 This is my fault. 535 00:41:34,896 --> 00:41:36,000 So this... 536 00:41:37,206 --> 00:41:39,103 This was Sophia? 537 00:41:41,379 --> 00:41:42,448 Not Victoria? 538 00:41:44,344 --> 00:41:46,551 Sophia is Victoria. 539 00:41:48,827 --> 00:41:50,620 Fucking hell, Jeanette. 540 00:41:51,310 --> 00:41:52,448 Ma'am. 541 00:41:54,241 --> 00:41:55,448 I know... 542 00:42:03,413 --> 00:42:08,586 Mike, give me the back of a fag packet version, now. 543 00:43:09,413 --> 00:43:12,551 If Sophia is just the A.N.P. running the system, 544 00:43:14,793 --> 00:43:18,137 how... how can I talk to Victoria? 545 00:43:21,827 --> 00:43:23,413 The general idea is 546 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,586 you have to call them out. 547 00:43:30,689 --> 00:43:32,034 Are you listening, Jeanette? 548 00:43:32,137 --> 00:43:33,896 Calling th... Calling them out? 549 00:43:36,172 --> 00:43:37,517 I am... I jus... 550 00:43:38,862 --> 00:43:40,206 You seem a little distracted. 551 00:43:40,310 --> 00:43:44,379 I just... I am dis... What? 552 00:43:45,241 --> 00:43:46,896 If you want to call her out, 553 00:43:48,206 --> 00:43:50,793 you have to say her name with purpose. 554 00:43:51,862 --> 00:43:55,413 As if you knew her and have always known her. 555 00:43:58,034 --> 00:44:02,448 As if you understand her and care for her. 556 00:44:06,482 --> 00:44:08,586 As if, in a way, 557 00:44:09,862 --> 00:44:10,862 you love her... 558 00:44:13,068 --> 00:44:17,551 in a way that's real and genuine. 559 00:44:24,655 --> 00:44:26,137 So... 560 00:44:26,413 --> 00:44:27,482 Victoria! 561 00:44:33,206 --> 00:44:34,413 Jeanette? 562 00:45:18,689 --> 00:45:19,793 Fuck! 35985

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