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(regal fanfare playing)
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(sheep bleating)
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Director: So, Viktor, what's
your favourite British food?
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Do you feel safe here?
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(sinister music)
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Reporter: Now to an
extraordinary story here in UK.
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Reporter: Salisbury
is at the centre
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of a major incident tonight
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involving a former Russian spy.
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Reporter: A quiet, small, sleepy
city in southern England.
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Reporter: Sergei Skripal,
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a colonel in
military intelligence,
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accused of spying
for Britain's MI6.
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Reporter: The lingering
question, who did it?
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(foreboding music)
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Reporter: Moscow might deny it,
but many point the finger
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of blame squarely at Russia.
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Reporter: Mysterious case
of a poisoned Russian agent
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getting even stranger tonight.
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Reporter: Now it's murder.
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Reporter: A counterfeit bottle
of designer perfume,
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the suspected weapon.
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Neil: There was enough poison
in that tiny bottle
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to kill 10,000 people.
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Trump: The security council
is called to order.
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Reporter: What started in
a placid cathedral town
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has now led to the biggest
diplomatic face-off in years.
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I give the floor to the Prime
Minister of the United Kingdom.
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Thank you.
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(speaking in Russian)
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(Viktor speaking)
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(sinister beat)
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(birds singing)
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(bells ringing distantly)
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Meg: Salisbury's a small city.
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Local people call it Smallsbury
for that reason.
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(jaunty music)
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I amongst many, many
other people in Salisbury
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have a favourite place to go
and sit
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on one of the many benches
down by the river.
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The whole area is so magical.
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Archive: Here in the heart
of Wiltshire lies Salisbury.
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Founded some 800 years ago,
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this mediaeval city
is most famous
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for its magnificent cathedral.
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Dominating the skyline,
its spire, Britain's tallest,
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rising some 404ft
soars heavenward.
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(bells ringing)
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Caller: Seven, four....
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Archive: Oh, how the locals
love to ring those bells.
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Kelvin: I value normal life
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and Salisbury is a provincial
corner of England.
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Big things don't tend to happen
in places like that.
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(accordion playing)
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(dramatic music)
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(suspenseful music)
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It was my first kind of week
as a radio reporter
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at the local radio station.
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When I got the job, they said,
oh, you'll be getting to do
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really local stories,
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you know, the giant vegetables,
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the village fair,
the flower show.
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And I thought, oh, that's great,
a really good kind of way for me
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to learn what I'm doing.
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(phone ringing)
And then the phone rang,
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and I...it just changed
everything, really.
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It was my news editor
who had phoned me
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and she said two people
were having a medical incident
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that the police
are dealing with.
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Can you go and cover this?
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So I said to myself,
don't worry.
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Nothing happens in Salisbury.
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So, then I got down there.
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First week on the job.
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You don't expect to see
two people on a bench,
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foaming at the mouth.
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I've never seen anyone having
a drug overdose before.
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I can't even remember
how to use a Dictaphone,
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it's been so long ago.
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Well, I'm now at the Maltings
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where these two people were
found collapsed.
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They are now
in a critical condition
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at Salisbury District Hospital.
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(sirens wailing)
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Stephen: We'd had a really
busy weekend.
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I was looking after the
intensive care unit by myself.
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Things had quietened down a bit.
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I got a phone call from one of
my colleagues who said, Steve,
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there's two drug overdose
patients coming in.
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They both sound really unwell.
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Can you come and give me a hand?
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The two patients came in...
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(suspenseful music)
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...and immediately
this didn't look right.
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There was a guy in his 60s,
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smartly dressed,
a suit and jacket,
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and a girl in her 30s.
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They didn't look like
your conventional
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recreational drug
overdose patients.
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Then I became aware of his name,
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Sergei Skripal, and I thought,
this is a little bit odd,
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you know, for Salisbury.
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I started to initiate
intensive care,
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and Sergei is breathing, just.
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He's not speaking.
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He's sitting bolt upright,
almost like a statue.
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-Producer: Eyes closed?
-Eyes were open,
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but he was absolutely rigid.
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It was the most
bizarre presentation.
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And it suddenly began
to dawn on me
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that something has poisoned
these people.
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At that moment, somebody came up
to me and said, Dr Cockroft,
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I've just googled Sergei Skripal
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and you're not going to believe
what I've just found out.
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So, I went and looked
and there it was.
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He had a Wikipedia page.
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I thought, right, okay...
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this is beginning to smell
a bit fishy, this.
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Amber Rudd: When I first heard
about this, I was in London...
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(suspenseful music)
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...and I got a call
from my office
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telling me that an incident
had taken place
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and they had concerns about it.
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You're not called on every
incident as Home Secretary.
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You're called out for something
of national significance.
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Theresa May: The key role
of a prime minister obviously
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is to ensure that you keep
the country safe.
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And this attack took place in,
in, if you like,
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the heart of middle England.
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Amber Rudd: And so we had
a COBRA meeting.
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And the purpose of COBRA is to
bring all the different people
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involved together
so that decisions can be made.
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Right from the start,
it was clear to me
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that this wasn't just
a poisoning,
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but it was an
attempted assassination.
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The target being Sergei Skripal,
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and given his background as a
Russian intelligence officer...
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there was only one entity,
the Russian State,
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that was possibly responsible.
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Amber Rudd: For a hostile state
to do that
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in a British town...
city was extraordinary.
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But I think really
the dominant feeling was
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concern about
this lethal poison,
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because initially at COBRA,
we didn't know what it was.
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But two people
had gone into a coma.
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Mark: In the past, while
carrying out assassinations,
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the Russians have used
a range of different poisons,
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and so we had a high degree
of suspicion
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that the public was at risk.
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Amber Rudd: The atmosphere
in COBRA was tense.
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Cabinet ministers had different
views about how fast
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we should go
in terms of attributing
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and responding to Russia.
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Theresa May: When you're faced
with something like this,
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sometimes in today's world,
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the temptation is
to say something immediately.
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Actually, you just have to take
a deep breath and step back
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and be very clear that
there's a longer-term aim here,
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which is making sure we
absolutely hold them to account.
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You just have to be
a bit careful
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and wait until you've absolutely
got the evidence.
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(siren wailing)
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Neil: In 2018,
I was the national lead
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for counterterrorism policing.
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Amber Rudd, the Home Secretary
of the day...
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How can I put it?
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"What are you doing about it,
Basu?"
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You know, "the Prime Minister
needs your help."
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(tense music)
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First, how quickly can you prove
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this is an assassination plot?
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Second, find out exactly
what this poison is
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and tell me what
kind of resources you need
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from the rest of government
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to help you bring this
under control,
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which might involve
using the military.
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Meg: I heard
a helicopter overhead.
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Which is unusual.
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Emma: Then it was like,
why are the military here?
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Why are there, like,
senior police officers here?
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You know, this seems a bit of
an overreaction to it being,
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you know, a drug overdose
or, you know,
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just a medical episode.
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What's really going on?
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And I remember them looking
very, very worried.
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Okay, good evening,
ladies and gentlemen.
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The focus at this moment
in trying to establish
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what has caused these people
to become critically ill,
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and we currently do not believe
there is any risk
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to the wider public.
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Thank you.
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Emma: You know, they were
trying to reassure people
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that everything's
absolutely fine.
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But...
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clearly it wasn't.
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So I'd be on the phone like,
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"Yeah, I think we're gonna need
backup here."
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Go on, keep going...
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And then, that tiny little story
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suddenly exploded into
this international news story.
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The biggest story in the world.
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Two people in the town
of Salisbury in England
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were admitted to hospital
after being exposed
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to an unknown substance.
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Salisbury District Hospital
is at the centre
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of a major incident tonight
involving a former Russian spy.
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Nearly 200 British troops have
been called in to help police
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with the investigation.
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Reporter: Moscow might deny it,
but many
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point the finger of blame
squarely at Russia.
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Kelvin: No one expects
terrible things
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to happen in their community.
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And this was a real incident in
which the ugliness of the world
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was suddenly on our doorstep.
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Emma: There were journalists
literally everywhere.
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You know, CNN, you've got,
you know, people from France
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just wandering around the city
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trying to get a bit more
information.
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Which country?
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That's the United States
of America.
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Okay then. What brings you here?
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Well, I'm the foreign
correspondent for ABC.
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And what brings us here is you.
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Newsreader: These images show
the former Russian military
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intelligence colonel
buying sausages
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and lottery scratch cards
from a shop close to his home.
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(mysterious music)
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Meg: We were living next to this
perfectly normal guy,
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and turns out
that he was a Russian spy.
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You wouldn't dream it,
would you?
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Mark: Unlike most people
in Salisbury,
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I knew rather a lot
about Sergei Skripal.
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A couple of years before
all of this happened,
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I wanted to write a book about
defected Russian spies.
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And strangely enough,
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I didn't have to go through
the intelligence services
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or the Foreign Office
to get to meet him.
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He was living an open life.
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He was on the electoral register
under his own name.
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So he clearly felt safe.
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And when I went to meet Sergei
in his home,
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he was standing outside
the house ready to greet me.
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My impression of him was that
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he was a typical
Soviet military guy
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or a typical Desantnik,
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which is a paratrooper
in Russian.
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You know, big, physically
self-confident.
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Sort of no nonsense,
you know, plain speaking,
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deadpan sense of humour.
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The sort of person you
wouldn't want to antagonise.
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We went through the front door,
and you know,
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being a journalist, you...
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You just sort of take in
the details, I suppose.
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And curiously,
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he was sort of mid-construction
with an Airfix kit
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of HMS Victory,
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which he told me
he'd been to visit.
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(haunting Russian folk music)
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I think the sort of enigma about
Sergei, in this respect,
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was that...
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on the one hand,
he wanted me to understand
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that he had a love
of English history,
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but on the other hand,
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he remained a sort of
patriotic Russian.
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He liked the songs
and the old Soviet movies.
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He even had Russian TV on
when I arrived.
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I think these were all things
that gave him a sort of happy,
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nostalgic glow.
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I certainly think he would have
regarded the things he did
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as a Russian
intelligence officer
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with a lot of pride.
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Another thing I noticed
on the bookcase,
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sort of directly ahead of me
as I was talking to him
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as we did our interviews,
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was a little resin model
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of a very typical twee
English country cottage.
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The sort of thing you could buy
in a souvenir shop.
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And at the time, um,
I noticed it,
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but I didn't really understand
its significance.
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But he explained later on,
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just how big a part
of his whole story
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that English country cottage
actually was.
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(suspenseful music)
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Reporter: Troops from Wiltshire
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with training
in chemical warfare
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and Royal Marines from Somerset
have been sent to Salisbury.
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Reporter: Almost 700
investigators are at work.
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We're not quite sure
what's gonna happen
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in the next couple of hours.
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There's still very much more
questions than answers.
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There was a lot of panic.
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You know, why are there people
walking around in hazmats?
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Where is this chemical?
What is it?
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What could it do to you?
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Reporter: British soldiers
in hazmat suits
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search for possible
contamination in the area
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where former Russian spy
Sergei Skripal
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and his daughter were found.
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Suddenly, we had cordons,
we had public health warnings.
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We'd been told,
"Don't pick up rubbish."
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And so, there's considerable
worry in the community.
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I think people felt we were
a city under attack.
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"A strange and unreal time."
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"Did this really happen
in our special city?"
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"Living amongst spies?"
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"Do we now look at everyone
with suspicion?"
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"Eerie silence."
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"The ducks have gone,
the rats moved in..."
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"One day,
normality will return."
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At least that's what I hope.
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Amber Rudd: The job of
the Home Secretary
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in the middle of all this
is to reassure the public.
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Whatever I was feeling,
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and a lot of it was pretty
uncomfortable and concerned,
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my job was to go out there
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and tell them
that we have got this.
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They needn't be worried because
we know what we're doing.
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Can you guarantee the public
their safety?
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Of course, I can guarantee
the public their safety.
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You know,
the public don't want to hear
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we're not actually very sure
what they this is
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or where it's come from
or where else it could be.
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They want to know that their
government is on top of this
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and is going to keep them safe.
And that's what you have to say.
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Didn't always feel that, but
that was my job to convey it.
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These are all questions
I will want answered.
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Producer: Keep calm
and carry on.
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Keep calm and carry on.
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(helicopter whirring)
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Reporter: Well then, Joanna,
just in the last half an hour,
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police officers,
military personnel
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and specialist officers
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have been getting kitted up
with those
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forensic suits and gas masks
that we've been seeing.
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Neil: There was huge pressure
to get it right,
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but there is no playbook
for this.
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We're looking
for expert assassins.
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I'm not expecting them to leave
their fingerprints
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or leave their DNA
at a crime scene.
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We were literally faced
with two individuals
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who had fallen seriously ill
on a park bench in Salisbury.
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So the park bench
became a crime scene.
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That was our start point.
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The first thing
you're trying to do
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is trying to track
every movement
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going back as long as
you possibly can
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before the park bench,
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'cause we want to know
how the victims
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came into contact
with the poison.
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We knew they went to
the restaurant to have a meal.
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Before that,
we know they went to a pub,
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um, where they have a drink.
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You're eventually getting
to the car,
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you're eventually going
back to the house.
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Dean: We were gradually finding
traces of the poison used,
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and the highest detection rate
was the door handle
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of their home address.
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One theory is that they had
sprayed it on the door handle,
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and when Sergei and Yulia
came out and closed the door,
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that's the time
when they were poisoned.
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(helicopter whirring)
(distant sirens)
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The next job is to find
the perpetrators on CCTV.
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Sadly, there was no CCTV, um,
at Christie Miller Road.
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So we had to collect hundreds of
thousands of hours of footage
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from across Salisbury
town centre.
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But it was looking for a needle
in a haystack.
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What does a Russian agent
look like?
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Christo: I think there's
a general understanding
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that there are spies around us,
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but...
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Russian spies
are literally everywhere.
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(playful music)
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I think there is a lack
of understanding
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for most of the people
of how dangerous it is.
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It's not just snooping around,
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it's not just secret back-alley
conversations and recruitment,
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it's assassinations,
it's explosions,
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it's sabotage,
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it's poisoning the water systems
of countries.
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All of that actually
does happen.
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Watch this.
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Russian operatives, they
literally have licence to kill.
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There's a law in Russia
that allows them to pursue
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enemies of the state
that are deemed traitors.
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Putin calls Russians
who change sides, rabid dogs,
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he calls them animals,
he calls them scum of the earth.
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And they can go and work
for their overlords in the West.
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But somebody who betrays
the motherland
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should be burned alive.
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(dramatic Russian music)
And for new recruits,
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that becomes
part of your fabric,
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part of your mentality,
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and you'll be chasing enemies
of the state,
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and you can kill them,
and you should kill them...
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because successful killers
get an award.
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That's why...
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hundreds of these
young people...
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become killers
for their country.
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(suspenseful music)
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But then I discovered
that actually, you can
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expose espionage operations
using breadcrumbs of data.
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Every person does that
in their own life,
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leaves these breadcrumbs behind.
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Every time you even look at
your phone, you leave a trace.
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Every time you buy a ticket
to go into the subway,
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every time you buy lunch
with your phone,
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every time you book a hotel,
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you leave
a digital trace behind.
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And I thought, well, why don't
we just use that digital trace
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to try to expose names of spies
involved in assassinations,
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poisonings,
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but also to prove who gave them
carte blanche
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to go around the world
and create havoc.
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How many Russian agents have you
uncovered, do you think?
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Probably...definitely more than
a thousand,
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I would say in the range
of 4 to 5,000.
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Christo Grozev, who identified
the Russians involved
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in poisoning Putin opposition
leader, Alexei Navalny.
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Christo was just placed on
Russia's wanted list.
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I think it's a fatwa
of some sort.
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I mean, it's like a message that
to other journalists as well
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that don't come
and don't meddle into...
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Don't do investigations
into Russia.
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And yet you continue to do it.
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Um, and you
more than anyone know
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at what possible cost.
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It's become a sort of
an obsession,
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and if a day passes without me
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having found at least
a couple of spies,
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I would really, really feel
a withdrawal.
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But what really drives me
and a lot of my colleagues is
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the cat-and-mouse nature of it
and the game of it.
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(playful music)
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And what is interesting is that
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I started with the case
of the Skripal poisonings.
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We wanted to be the first to
crack it for the world to know.
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And so the question was:
who were the assassins?
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So we assumed that they would
have been in Britain between
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March 2nd and March 5th.
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So I'm like, hm,
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if we were able to get all the
passenger lists of all flights
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into London from Russia
on these days...
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maybe we can find these guys.
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00:27:19,271 --> 00:27:21,073
And I found...
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two passengers
travelling together.
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00:27:24,610 --> 00:27:26,278
And look at this,
the passport numbers
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are only three digits apart.
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00:27:30,182 --> 00:27:33,252
Two people sat next to each
other with two passports
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issued literally
within an hour of one another.
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That's not possible.
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That sort of thing doesn't
naturally happen.
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And then the question was,
are these real names
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and real people,
or are they fake?
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It was just
a breadcrumb of data,
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but that's literally where
it all began for us.
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(helicopter whirring)
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Reporter: Police say the man
and his daughter
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remain critically ill
in hospital,
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and the case is being treated
as attempted murder.
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Amber Rudd: When I went
to the hospital
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to talk to
the medical staff there...
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survival of the Skripals
looked in doubt.
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(tense music)
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And the senior consultant
in charge was tired,
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to say the least, and was,
you know, there were doctors,
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medical people at their best,
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trying to keep
these two people alive.
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Stephen: It was chaotic.
It became more and more chaotic
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as the week went on.
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Yulia and Sergei remained
extremely unwell.
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They were in an induced coma
and I...
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I honestly thought
they were going to die.
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They had very unusual symptoms,
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the slow heart rate,
the low blood pressure,
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the slow respiratory rate,
the pinpoint pupils.
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00:29:02,507 --> 00:29:05,444
There was no way this was
a conventional poisoning.
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But this was something far,
far darker.
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(wind howling)
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Newsreader: British police
now believe
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that former Russian spy
Sergei Skripal
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and his daughter Yulia
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were poisoned
with a nerve agent.
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(sinister music)
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Amber Rudd: After it had been
tested at Porton Down,
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they were able to explain that
this had been
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a poisoning of Novichok.
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Reporter: Novichok is the name
for a family of nerve agents
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said to be the most deadly
ever created.
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It's a terrifying word,
Novichok,
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and then most of us were
hearing it for the first time.
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You learn about
quite how lethal it is.
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Only a tiny amount was needed
to potentially kill somebody.
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We were told it was sort of
Russia's favourite agent,
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Putin's, particularly.
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Richard: Putin was sending
a very clear message.
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You know, assassination has been
part of Russian political life
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since the Middle Ages.
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00:30:19,284 --> 00:30:21,853
I mean, it was used by
the Tsars.
499
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,222
And the interesting thing
500
00:30:24,289 --> 00:30:27,759
is it's usually used
against people
501
00:30:27,826 --> 00:30:30,429
who the Russians
would categorise as traitors.
502
00:30:32,731 --> 00:30:36,401
I mean, that means in Russian
eyes, spying for the West.
503
00:30:38,036 --> 00:30:40,439
I mean, when I was in MI6,
504
00:30:40,505 --> 00:30:44,743
Russian military intelligence
officers were extremely angry
505
00:30:44,810 --> 00:30:48,613
about the way that they had
emerged from the Cold War.
506
00:30:50,115 --> 00:30:53,719
And the, sort of, breakup
of the Soviet Empire.
507
00:30:54,886 --> 00:30:57,656
You know, it was a good time
to recruit Russians.
508
00:30:57,723 --> 00:30:58,824
(chuckles)
509
00:31:01,126 --> 00:31:04,496
Mark: Putin has described
the collapse of Soviet Union
510
00:31:04,563 --> 00:31:07,899
as the greatest tragedy
of the 20th Century.
511
00:31:08,533 --> 00:31:10,001
And in some ways,
512
00:31:10,068 --> 00:31:14,306
I think Skripal would also have
seen it as a great tragedy.
513
00:31:17,042 --> 00:31:18,977
It's one of those curious
things, isn't it,
514
00:31:19,044 --> 00:31:24,316
about human nature that people
can have the same starting point
515
00:31:24,383 --> 00:31:26,685
but end up
in very different places
516
00:31:26,752 --> 00:31:28,387
or mentalities about things.
517
00:31:28,453 --> 00:31:30,956
Reporter: The ruble has lost
another 10% of its value
518
00:31:31,022 --> 00:31:33,291
against the dollar
since the start of the year.
519
00:31:33,358 --> 00:31:36,328
Mark: In the mid-1990s,
when everything in Russia
520
00:31:36,395 --> 00:31:39,698
was really going haywire,
521
00:31:40,365 --> 00:31:43,935
oligarchs gobbling up
key sectors of industry.
522
00:31:46,438 --> 00:31:49,708
And so Putin has come
to the conclusion
523
00:31:49,775 --> 00:31:54,613
that he's got to rebuild,
in effect, the Soviet Union,
524
00:31:55,414 --> 00:31:58,850
whereas Skripal has come to
the conclusion
525
00:31:58,917 --> 00:32:00,752
that, no, it's gone,
526
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:07,259
and that his primary
interest is to make sure
527
00:32:07,325 --> 00:32:09,828
that he and his family
are looked after.
528
00:32:13,331 --> 00:32:20,505
And so MI6 gave him
the opportunity to get out.
529
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,515
(bells tolling)
530
00:32:33,752 --> 00:32:36,488
Reporter: The historic city
of Salisbury.
531
00:32:38,089 --> 00:32:40,759
Population around 50,000
532
00:32:41,259 --> 00:32:44,463
and the location of the first
chemical weapons attack
533
00:32:44,529 --> 00:32:45,630
in this country.
534
00:32:45,697 --> 00:32:47,999
Good evening, ladies and gents.
I'm Keir Pritchard,
535
00:32:48,066 --> 00:32:49,568
the Chief Constable
for Wiltshire...
536
00:32:49,634 --> 00:32:51,636
Meg: At one
of our public meetings,
537
00:32:51,703 --> 00:32:56,308
we were told that a nerve agent
had been used,
538
00:32:57,042 --> 00:33:01,379
and it was one of those moments
where you think,
539
00:33:01,446 --> 00:33:04,282
"Well, that's actually quite
serious."
540
00:33:04,349 --> 00:33:07,419
The agent couldn't possibly
still be out
541
00:33:07,486 --> 00:33:09,821
there somewhere in Salisbury.
542
00:33:10,422 --> 00:33:15,026
Apparently, it would have taken
only a few drops to have killed,
543
00:33:15,093 --> 00:33:17,629
I think it was 4,000 people.
544
00:33:17,696 --> 00:33:21,233
And then we were told exactly
where it had come from.
545
00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:23,802
Reporter: This afternoon,
the UK released a statement
546
00:33:23,869 --> 00:33:27,706
saying they had pinpointed a
Russian military research base
547
00:33:27,772 --> 00:33:30,509
as the place
that produced the Novichok.
548
00:33:33,578 --> 00:33:35,947
Theresa May: The intelligence
made very clear
549
00:33:36,014 --> 00:33:38,350
that Russia had been responsible
for this.
550
00:33:39,150 --> 00:33:42,320
I mean, we have international
laws and rules
551
00:33:42,387 --> 00:33:44,956
about not using
chemical weapons.
552
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:47,792
So there's that point
in time where
553
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,262
you have to start
preparing for the worst.
554
00:33:50,328 --> 00:33:51,396
(press clamouring)
555
00:33:51,463 --> 00:33:53,632
Will this government stand up
to Russia
556
00:33:53,698 --> 00:33:55,500
if a link is proved?
557
00:33:58,703 --> 00:33:59,838
Amber Rudd: There were people
who thought
558
00:33:59,905 --> 00:34:03,241
we should treat this attack
as an act of war.
559
00:34:04,910 --> 00:34:06,845
(suspenseful music)
560
00:34:06,912 --> 00:34:09,748
And so the Prime Minister
decided it was time
561
00:34:10,448 --> 00:34:12,417
to call out Russia.
562
00:34:20,492 --> 00:34:21,660
Order!
563
00:34:22,193 --> 00:34:23,562
Order!
564
00:34:24,663 --> 00:34:25,530
Order!
565
00:34:25,797 --> 00:34:27,532
I say to members, Order!
566
00:34:27,799 --> 00:34:30,835
Members must calm down.
567
00:34:31,136 --> 00:34:35,540
It's as simple
and incontestable as that.
568
00:34:35,607 --> 00:34:36,808
(jeering)
569
00:34:36,875 --> 00:34:38,777
Statement, the Prime Minister.
570
00:34:39,044 --> 00:34:41,279
Hear, hear!
571
00:34:41,980 --> 00:34:45,216
With permission, Mr Speaker,
I would like to update the House
572
00:34:45,283 --> 00:34:47,686
on the incident in Salisbury,
and the steps we are...
573
00:34:47,752 --> 00:34:49,788
Amber Rudd: It was
a very serious moment.
574
00:34:49,854 --> 00:34:53,825
House was packed,
and it was incredibly quiet.
575
00:34:53,892 --> 00:34:55,827
And you know, the House
of Commons is usually...
576
00:34:55,894 --> 00:34:58,930
There's a lot of kind of
shouting and name-calling
577
00:34:58,997 --> 00:35:00,432
and argy-bargy.
578
00:35:00,699 --> 00:35:01,600
Not that day.
579
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,236
As a nation that believes in
justice and the rule of law,
580
00:35:05,303 --> 00:35:08,273
it is essential that we proceed
in the right way.
581
00:35:08,340 --> 00:35:11,610
Led not by speculation,
but by the evidence.
582
00:35:11,676 --> 00:35:12,844
Hear, hear.
583
00:35:12,911 --> 00:35:14,045
Amber Rudd: I was feeling
584
00:35:14,112 --> 00:35:16,314
pretty uncomfortable
and concerned.
585
00:35:16,381 --> 00:35:17,616
Producer: Was Theresa feeling
the same way?
586
00:35:17,682 --> 00:35:20,151
Did she ever tell you about how
she was feeling?
587
00:35:20,218 --> 00:35:24,456
(laughs) No, the Prime Minister
doesn't tell you her feelings.
588
00:35:24,723 --> 00:35:28,627
It is now clear that Mr Skripal
and his daughter were poisoned
589
00:35:28,693 --> 00:35:30,996
with a military-grade
nerve agent
590
00:35:31,062 --> 00:35:33,498
of a type developed by Russia.
591
00:35:33,565 --> 00:35:37,435
This is part of a group of nerve
agents known as Novichok.
592
00:35:37,502 --> 00:35:40,438
The government has concluded
that it is highly likely
593
00:35:40,505 --> 00:35:43,008
that Russia was responsible
for the act against
594
00:35:43,074 --> 00:35:45,276
Sergei and Yulia Skripal.
595
00:35:45,343 --> 00:35:46,745
-Hear, hear!
-Mr Speaker,
596
00:35:46,811 --> 00:35:49,714
this attempted murder using
a weapons-grade nerve agent
597
00:35:49,781 --> 00:35:54,552
in a British town was not just
a crime against the Skripals.
598
00:35:54,619 --> 00:35:57,288
It was an indiscriminate
and reckless act
599
00:35:57,355 --> 00:35:59,424
against the United Kingdom,
600
00:35:59,491 --> 00:36:02,427
putting the lives
of innocent civilians at risk.
601
00:36:02,494 --> 00:36:05,363
And we will not tolerate
such a brazen attempt
602
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:08,033
to murder innocent civilians
on our soil.
603
00:36:08,700 --> 00:36:10,969
I commend this statement
to the House.
604
00:36:11,302 --> 00:36:14,005
Order! Order!
605
00:36:15,707 --> 00:36:20,045
Mark: Of course, attributing
these attacks was important,
606
00:36:20,111 --> 00:36:22,647
but I felt we needed
to go further,
607
00:36:22,714 --> 00:36:26,885
um, and actually
impose significant sanctions.
608
00:36:27,585 --> 00:36:29,621
Amber Rudd: Our ambassador was
dispatched...
609
00:36:29,688 --> 00:36:31,823
...military-grade nerve agent...
610
00:36:31,890 --> 00:36:33,124
Amber Rudd: ...because
whatever we did,
611
00:36:33,191 --> 00:36:36,094
it had to be done in unity
with other countries,
612
00:36:36,928 --> 00:36:42,567
but we didn't know how each
country would actually respond.
613
00:36:42,634 --> 00:36:43,702
(tense music)
614
00:36:43,768 --> 00:36:45,036
Trump: Getting along with Russia
615
00:36:45,103 --> 00:36:46,404
would be a good thing,
616
00:36:46,471 --> 00:36:47,372
not a bad thing.
617
00:36:47,439 --> 00:36:49,774
And just about everybody
agrees to that,
618
00:36:49,841 --> 00:36:51,776
except very stupid people.
619
00:36:52,644 --> 00:36:54,112
It was really challenging,
620
00:36:54,179 --> 00:36:56,648
partly because
of Russian disinformation.
621
00:36:56,715 --> 00:37:01,986
They say we have actual facts
that you did it.
622
00:37:02,554 --> 00:37:06,324
Okay, if you have facts, come to
us, put the facts on the table.
623
00:37:06,391 --> 00:37:09,327
There's something in the psyche
of the Russian state
624
00:37:09,394 --> 00:37:12,063
which long pre-dates
the Putin regime...
625
00:37:12,497 --> 00:37:15,700
President Putin,
is Russia behind the poisoning?
626
00:37:15,767 --> 00:37:18,636
Mark: ...in which lying
627
00:37:18,703 --> 00:37:21,272
and everyone knowing that
you're lying is a sign of power,
628
00:37:21,339 --> 00:37:24,609
because you can lie and you
aren't held accountable for it.
629
00:37:24,676 --> 00:37:26,678
(speaking in Russian)
630
00:37:36,521 --> 00:37:42,660
I thought it was grotesque
seeing these people mocking us,
631
00:37:42,727 --> 00:37:46,464
telling these colourful lies.
632
00:37:46,531 --> 00:37:48,800
It caused a certain amount
of confusion.
633
00:37:49,234 --> 00:37:51,503
(speaking in Russian)
634
00:38:04,582 --> 00:38:05,583
(laughter)
635
00:38:08,486 --> 00:38:11,856
Richard: I don't think anyone
really anticipated
636
00:38:12,891 --> 00:38:17,796
how far relations between Russia
and the West would go belly up.
637
00:38:17,862 --> 00:38:20,098
(ominous music)
638
00:38:20,165 --> 00:38:24,068
Putin's attitude to the West
had changed.
639
00:38:27,005 --> 00:38:29,574
(speaking in Russian)
640
00:38:40,218 --> 00:38:42,487
Well, my last visit
to Moscow was...
641
00:38:44,355 --> 00:38:46,691
probably the beginning of 2004.
642
00:38:48,193 --> 00:38:50,728
Tony Blair asked my advice,
643
00:38:50,795 --> 00:38:54,732
whether the UK couldn't have
a different relationship
644
00:38:54,799 --> 00:38:56,467
with this Russian leader.
645
00:39:00,305 --> 00:39:03,508
And I was certainly one of
the people that said to Blair,
646
00:39:03,575 --> 00:39:07,312
"Well, why not give it a try?"
647
00:39:08,479 --> 00:39:11,349
You know, we were quite keen,
648
00:39:12,784 --> 00:39:15,653
and I mean, we, I'm talking
almost generally about the West,
649
00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:17,188
to try and have
a different relationship
650
00:39:17,255 --> 00:39:19,424
with a different sort of
Russian leader.
651
00:39:23,127 --> 00:39:25,496
I don't think
we initially saw him
652
00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:29,667
as this autocrat he's become.
653
00:39:48,119 --> 00:39:50,555
(suspenseful music)
654
00:41:33,124 --> 00:41:36,995
The investigation was still
working at incredible pace.
655
00:41:37,795 --> 00:41:41,366
Neil: Our whole team had been
working night and day on this.
656
00:41:41,432 --> 00:41:43,401
Going through it frame by frame,
657
00:41:43,468 --> 00:41:44,869
tens of thousands of hours
658
00:41:44,936 --> 00:41:47,572
of closed-circuit
television footage.
659
00:41:47,638 --> 00:41:50,241
And then I remember
getting the call from Dean
660
00:41:50,308 --> 00:41:52,777
and going into Dean's office.
661
00:41:53,111 --> 00:41:56,748
He said, I've got a photograph
of the suspect in the case.
662
00:41:58,549 --> 00:42:01,519
Dean: They came into the country
on false identities.
663
00:42:02,587 --> 00:42:04,756
On the Sunday, 4th of March,
664
00:42:05,356 --> 00:42:07,592
the suspects travelled down
to Salisbury,
665
00:42:07,658 --> 00:42:09,894
they walked around
the town centre
666
00:42:09,961 --> 00:42:13,164
and then,
for a short period of time,
667
00:42:13,231 --> 00:42:15,633
their movements
are not captured by CCTV,
668
00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:19,037
but we're confident they went to
the home address of Sergei,
669
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:21,672
placed Novichok
on the door handle.
670
00:42:22,507 --> 00:42:26,077
They then left and immediately
flew out of the country
671
00:42:26,144 --> 00:42:30,381
via Heathrow Airport,
returning to Moscow in Russia.
672
00:42:32,884 --> 00:42:35,153
Neil: So we're sitting there
thinking how brilliant it was
673
00:42:35,219 --> 00:42:37,221
to have images of these people.
674
00:42:38,022 --> 00:42:41,159
Dean: The key outstanding issue,
though, was the Novichok.
675
00:42:41,859 --> 00:42:44,862
How did it get into the country,
and where was it now?
676
00:42:45,296 --> 00:42:46,798
Neil: We were pretty sure
677
00:42:46,864 --> 00:42:50,101
they've discarded the Novichok
in Salisbury.
678
00:42:50,902 --> 00:42:52,737
It could've been in the park,
it could've been in the bin,
679
00:42:52,804 --> 00:42:54,839
it could've been thrown
in the river.
680
00:42:55,740 --> 00:42:58,509
And I was getting paranoid
that somebody else was gonna
681
00:42:58,576 --> 00:43:02,080
potentially fall seriously ill
or...or die.
682
00:43:10,421 --> 00:43:12,623
Charlie: I had just moved
into my place.
683
00:43:13,291 --> 00:43:15,093
(mysterious music)
684
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:20,031
It was a place that houses
people that need to be rehoused.
685
00:43:20,565 --> 00:43:22,967
And I was happy as punch
to move in.
686
00:43:25,503 --> 00:43:27,638
I was planning for Dawn
to move in.
687
00:43:29,207 --> 00:43:31,142
I'd known her for 16 months,
688
00:43:31,209 --> 00:43:34,779
so we'd probably been an item
for a year of that.
689
00:43:35,847 --> 00:43:38,950
And she was a very, very kind,
loving person.
690
00:43:39,684 --> 00:43:42,186
Yeah, we were quite happy
together.
691
00:43:43,387 --> 00:43:46,224
(horn tooting)
692
00:43:46,290 --> 00:43:51,529
I used to go around Salisbury
and get things for the house.
693
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:55,867
There's a few charity places.
694
00:43:56,534 --> 00:43:59,837
They would always leave unwanted
stuff out the back.
695
00:43:59,904 --> 00:44:01,939
(eerie music)
696
00:44:02,607 --> 00:44:05,276
They're very large bins,
you could climb in them,
697
00:44:05,343 --> 00:44:06,744
they were that big.
698
00:44:06,811 --> 00:44:10,214
That's where I'd find
most of my things, yeah.
699
00:44:11,549 --> 00:44:14,752
It did carry a bit of a stigma
being seen in a bin...
700
00:44:14,819 --> 00:44:15,887
(chuckles)
701
00:44:15,953 --> 00:44:18,656
...but, uh, it reaped
its rewards.
702
00:44:21,626 --> 00:44:27,465
Very occasionally, I'd find
jewellery and give it to Dawn.
703
00:44:29,133 --> 00:44:34,172
She often made comments about
getting her an engagement ring,
704
00:44:35,740 --> 00:44:37,642
so I would always dig
to the bottom
705
00:44:38,075 --> 00:44:41,846
just in case I'd find that...
that ring.
706
00:44:44,615 --> 00:44:48,486
And then one time,
I couldn't believe it.
707
00:44:49,387 --> 00:44:55,259
Right at the bottom was a very
expensive-looking perfume.
708
00:44:58,663 --> 00:45:02,667
I didn't give it to Dawn
immediately, it just sat around.
709
00:45:02,934 --> 00:45:05,102
I was waiting
for the right time.
710
00:45:16,714 --> 00:45:19,317
Reporter: It had been feared
that neither Sergei Skripal
711
00:45:19,383 --> 00:45:22,186
nor his daughter Yulia
would ever recover
712
00:45:22,253 --> 00:45:24,188
from the nerve agent attack.
713
00:45:24,455 --> 00:45:26,290
But now, after a month
in a coma
714
00:45:26,357 --> 00:45:28,226
in Salisbury District Hospital,
715
00:45:28,292 --> 00:45:29,994
there was this announcement.
716
00:45:30,261 --> 00:45:32,863
(speaking in Russian)
717
00:45:40,137 --> 00:45:43,407
I didn't realise she was going
to come on the television.
718
00:45:44,208 --> 00:45:47,144
And I became slightly emotional.
719
00:45:47,211 --> 00:45:48,846
(haunting music)
720
00:45:48,913 --> 00:45:53,584
When I last saw her,
she was desperately unwell.
721
00:45:55,286 --> 00:45:58,356
Was trying pull at the tube
that was in her trachea,
722
00:45:58,422 --> 00:45:59,991
and she was terrified.
723
00:46:00,691 --> 00:46:03,594
But during that time,
I was talking to her,
724
00:46:03,661 --> 00:46:06,230
uh, reassuring her
that she was safe.
725
00:46:06,297 --> 00:46:09,267
And meanwhile, Sergei next door,
he was,
726
00:46:09,333 --> 00:46:11,669
"When I get out of here,
I'm going to kill these...
727
00:46:11,736 --> 00:46:13,170
you know,
I know who's done this.
728
00:46:13,237 --> 00:46:14,272
I'll kill the fuckers."
729
00:46:14,338 --> 00:46:15,506
Sergei, you can't say that!
730
00:46:15,573 --> 00:46:17,975
You know, everything he said
was being recorded.
731
00:46:19,210 --> 00:46:21,679
At any one time,
there were four police officers
732
00:46:21,746 --> 00:46:24,081
who were clearly
very heavily armed,
733
00:46:24,148 --> 00:46:26,617
and there was always
a people carrier
734
00:46:26,684 --> 00:46:29,053
with other police officers
in the car park.
735
00:46:29,553 --> 00:46:32,657
And it was like that
until they were discharged.
736
00:46:34,959 --> 00:46:36,260
Reporter: Sergei Skripal's home
737
00:46:36,327 --> 00:46:39,030
is still a closely guarded
crime scene,
738
00:46:39,096 --> 00:46:41,232
As to where he and his daughter
are now,
739
00:46:41,299 --> 00:46:43,834
well, that's a secret.
740
00:46:43,901 --> 00:46:46,203
It's a mystery, you know,
no one knows...
741
00:46:46,270 --> 00:46:47,438
he got poisoned,
he was in hospital,
742
00:46:47,505 --> 00:46:48,806
and then he disappeared.
743
00:46:50,107 --> 00:46:51,676
I'd imagine Yulia
744
00:46:51,909 --> 00:46:54,879
is leading more of a normal life
than her father.
745
00:46:56,347 --> 00:46:59,550
You know, you do think,
where did he end up?
746
00:47:22,340 --> 00:47:24,508
(haunting Russian folk music)
747
00:48:31,909 --> 00:48:34,445
(indistinct shouting
and cheering)
748
00:48:43,187 --> 00:48:45,389
(cheering)
749
00:49:03,974 --> 00:49:06,877
(suspenseful music)
750
00:49:14,151 --> 00:49:17,388
Mark: Basically,
Sergei's posting to Madrid
751
00:49:17,455 --> 00:49:19,457
produced a moment
of opportunity.
752
00:49:20,591 --> 00:49:24,528
MI6 had been looking at him
for a while.
753
00:49:26,197 --> 00:49:28,866
Often these targets
for cultivation,
754
00:49:29,366 --> 00:49:32,336
it's through things like
interception of communications.
755
00:49:32,403 --> 00:49:33,237
Hello?
756
00:49:33,304 --> 00:49:35,439
They hear them on
the phone moaning.
757
00:49:35,506 --> 00:49:36,774
They haven't got
enough money, or
758
00:49:36,841 --> 00:49:39,376
they don't like what's going on
at home politically.
759
00:49:39,443 --> 00:49:42,112
"I'm disgusted with the collapse
of Soviet power."
760
00:49:42,179 --> 00:49:44,682
- (speaking in Russian)
-But there's no point
761
00:49:44,748 --> 00:49:45,983
crying over spilt milk.
762
00:49:46,050 --> 00:49:47,117
(speaking in Russian)
763
00:49:47,184 --> 00:49:48,619
And it's really every man
and woman
764
00:49:48,686 --> 00:49:50,154
for themselves.
765
00:49:50,688 --> 00:49:55,493
So the officer who was sent
to cultivate Skripal
766
00:49:55,826 --> 00:49:58,128
was posing as a businessman.
767
00:49:59,029 --> 00:50:00,331
(speaking in Russian)
768
00:50:00,397 --> 00:50:04,502
They had multiple meetings,
various contacts.
769
00:50:05,035 --> 00:50:09,206
Restaurants, and once or twice
I think they went to nightclubs,
770
00:50:09,540 --> 00:50:13,777
and Skripal felt they were
becoming actual friends.
771
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,216
I've heard it described
by a former MI6 officer
772
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:23,754
as, you know, a seduction
in which you're using
773
00:50:23,821 --> 00:50:28,659
all your intelligence and guile
and charm and persuasiveness...
774
00:50:32,329 --> 00:50:35,633
to get someone to make the worst
mistake of their lives.
775
00:50:37,902 --> 00:50:42,706
Uh, in other words, to turn
traitor, in Russian terms.
776
00:50:42,773 --> 00:50:44,308
(speaking in Russian)
777
00:50:44,375 --> 00:50:48,412
This MI6 officer,
he brought presents.
778
00:50:49,547 --> 00:50:51,415
And one of the presents
he brought
779
00:50:51,482 --> 00:50:56,253
was this little resin model of a
typical English country cottage.
780
00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:59,156
And clearly, to him...
781
00:50:59,223 --> 00:51:00,257
(poignant music)
782
00:51:00,324 --> 00:51:01,959
...meant a great deal.
783
00:51:02,026 --> 00:51:04,128
(speaking in Russian)
784
00:51:04,194 --> 00:51:05,696
In some ways, I suppose
785
00:51:05,763 --> 00:51:08,566
it sort of symbolised his dream
of oldie England
786
00:51:08,632 --> 00:51:11,635
or Little England, or however
you want to put it.
787
00:51:13,470 --> 00:51:17,474
Richard: The myth of England
is quite powerful.
788
00:51:18,642 --> 00:51:24,582
A lot of the best spies
are attracted by the myth.
789
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:26,417
Producer: What is the myth?
790
00:51:26,483 --> 00:51:28,786
Well, it's been created
over time.
791
00:51:28,852 --> 00:51:32,723
It's a combination of fact
and fiction.
792
00:51:32,990 --> 00:51:34,592
(jaunty music)
793
00:51:35,926 --> 00:51:37,628
(cheering)
794
00:51:41,899 --> 00:51:43,867
(background laughter)
795
00:51:46,370 --> 00:51:48,973
Richard: This country
can offer something
796
00:51:49,039 --> 00:51:50,708
which is pretty unique.
797
00:51:50,774 --> 00:51:53,477
-Producer: The brand is good?
-Well, the brand is bloody good.
798
00:51:53,544 --> 00:51:56,513
Excuse my language, but...
(chuckles)
799
00:51:57,481 --> 00:52:01,418
You don't spy unless there's
a damn good reason for it.
800
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,256
It's a massive risk for them
to take.
801
00:52:07,424 --> 00:52:09,627
(wind whistling)
802
00:52:21,672 --> 00:52:23,741
(brooding music)
803
00:52:23,807 --> 00:52:27,611
The information MI6 got from him
was technicolour.
804
00:52:27,945 --> 00:52:31,081
You know, this was not just
a vivid picture
805
00:52:31,148 --> 00:52:33,751
of the internal structure
and machinations
806
00:52:33,817 --> 00:52:36,286
of Russian
intelligence services,
807
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,656
it was the whole thing.
808
00:53:33,043 --> 00:53:35,646
John: Putin is a man
who requires loyalty
809
00:53:36,847 --> 00:53:40,651
in order to stay in the exalted
position that he has.
810
00:53:42,653 --> 00:53:44,722
It's about instilling fear.
811
00:53:46,824 --> 00:53:49,793
If anybody ever betrays him,
812
00:53:50,828 --> 00:53:52,496
they will never be forgiven.
813
00:53:54,331 --> 00:53:56,500
In a sense, it's a sign
of his own weakness.
814
00:53:56,567 --> 00:53:57,868
(foreboding music)
815
00:53:57,935 --> 00:54:00,204
It's not as if
he's deeply unpopular
816
00:54:01,305 --> 00:54:03,040
amongst the Russian people,
817
00:54:04,007 --> 00:54:08,445
but those close to him know the
level of corruption around him.
818
00:54:12,015 --> 00:54:15,052
And know how brutal he is.
819
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:20,657
And many of them despise
Putin's leadership
820
00:54:20,724 --> 00:54:22,926
and know that Russia
could actually do better
821
00:54:22,993 --> 00:54:24,695
with a different type of leader.
822
00:54:27,731 --> 00:54:31,435
It takes incredible bravery
and courage for individuals
823
00:54:31,502 --> 00:54:34,238
to decide that they're going to
buck their own system
824
00:54:34,304 --> 00:54:36,373
and they're going to
follow their values.
825
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,609
(foreboding music intensifies)
826
00:54:39,810 --> 00:54:43,313
You know the risks associated...
827
00:54:46,216 --> 00:54:47,551
and you still do it.
828
00:54:50,721 --> 00:54:52,389
If you're risking your life
for something,
829
00:54:52,456 --> 00:54:55,259
you rarely risk your life
just for a bit more money.
830
00:54:56,693 --> 00:54:59,429
It has to be something more
fundamental than that.
831
00:55:08,405 --> 00:55:10,274
Mark: At a certain point,
832
00:55:10,340 --> 00:55:12,543
the spy hunters in Moscow,
833
00:55:13,410 --> 00:55:18,081
they got these indications
that there were some leaks.
834
00:55:18,148 --> 00:55:19,783
(suspenseful music)
835
00:55:19,850 --> 00:55:23,487
Russian intelligence had been
watching Sergei for a while.
836
00:55:26,456 --> 00:55:29,526
One of the things you'd have to
say about Sergei Skripal
837
00:55:31,328 --> 00:55:33,797
is that he didn't have
a very finely developed sense
838
00:55:33,864 --> 00:55:35,265
of when he was in danger,
839
00:55:37,935 --> 00:55:41,505
right up until, you know,
the time when he was lifted.
840
00:55:43,674 --> 00:55:45,175
(banging)
841
00:55:45,242 --> 00:55:46,577
(indistinct shouting)
842
00:55:51,448 --> 00:55:55,352
(speaking in Russian)
843
00:56:12,736 --> 00:56:14,638
(applause)
844
00:56:20,911 --> 00:56:25,315
John: If your upbringing
is in a country like Russia,
845
00:56:26,383 --> 00:56:29,553
then you know what the price
of betraying your country is.
846
00:56:30,888 --> 00:56:34,558
Sergei Skripal was sentenced
to 13 years of hard labour
847
00:56:34,625 --> 00:56:37,661
in one of Russia's
brutal prison camps,
848
00:56:40,364 --> 00:56:42,532
and of course, many people who
go into those labour camps
849
00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:44,368
aren't expected to survive.
850
00:56:47,671 --> 00:56:49,706
And the only way
of getting them out
851
00:56:50,707 --> 00:56:53,644
is offering the Russians
something that they badly want
852
00:56:53,710 --> 00:56:56,513
in return for something
which you would rather like.
853
00:56:57,981 --> 00:56:59,149
(siren wailing)
854
00:56:59,216 --> 00:57:00,851
Luckily for Skripal,
855
00:57:00,918 --> 00:57:03,053
in the early months of 2010,
856
00:57:03,654 --> 00:57:06,423
an opportunity came.
(hopeful music)
857
00:57:06,490 --> 00:57:08,458
Speculation is reaching
fever pitch
858
00:57:08,525 --> 00:57:11,161
that the biggest spy swap
since the end of the Cold War
859
00:57:11,228 --> 00:57:12,796
is about to take place.
860
00:57:13,063 --> 00:57:16,366
Reporter: An American official
says CIA chief Leon Panetta
861
00:57:16,433 --> 00:57:17,968
personally worked out the deal.
862
00:57:18,035 --> 00:57:22,406
Leon Panetta, my US Counterpart,
called me and said,
863
00:57:22,472 --> 00:57:27,611
"We have caught and arrested
a network of sleeper agents,
864
00:57:27,678 --> 00:57:29,980
Russian spies,
who were deeply embedded
865
00:57:30,047 --> 00:57:31,782
inside the American system.
866
00:57:33,917 --> 00:57:36,420
The Russians really want
these people back,
867
00:57:36,486 --> 00:57:39,856
and we're going to obviously
negotiate terms for that.
868
00:57:39,923 --> 00:57:41,625
"Is there anybody on your side
869
00:57:41,692 --> 00:57:44,227
who you'd like to see extracted
from Russia?"
870
00:57:44,494 --> 00:57:46,563
And so I said, "Yes."
871
00:57:48,465 --> 00:57:50,400
Reporter: A few hours earlier,
the swap itself
872
00:57:50,467 --> 00:57:52,402
occurred at Vienna Airport.
873
00:57:54,271 --> 00:57:57,207
Reporter: 10 Russian agents who
confessed to spying in America
874
00:57:57,274 --> 00:57:59,343
have arrived in Moscow,
and four Russians
875
00:57:59,409 --> 00:58:01,078
who'd confessed to spying
for the West
876
00:58:01,144 --> 00:58:02,779
have arrived in Britain.
877
00:58:05,983 --> 00:58:08,085
Mark: At that time...
878
00:58:08,485 --> 00:58:10,954
the relationship
between Putin and the West
879
00:58:11,021 --> 00:58:15,892
was good enough for Sergei
to consider his own safety
880
00:58:17,527 --> 00:58:20,564
to be pretty much airtight.
881
00:58:21,398 --> 00:58:23,266
He definitely did not consider
882
00:58:23,633 --> 00:58:28,705
that an assassination unit would
be turning up on his doorstep.
883
00:58:32,175 --> 00:58:34,778
(bells ringing distantly)
884
00:58:56,466 --> 00:58:57,734
Emma: It did actually feel
like things
885
00:58:57,801 --> 00:58:59,569
were getting back to normal.
886
00:59:00,370 --> 00:59:02,973
We couldn't be sure
that we were safe but...
887
00:59:03,573 --> 00:59:07,310
the police, they seemed
so chilled about it.
888
00:59:08,045 --> 00:59:09,746
You know, if the future king
and queen of England
889
00:59:09,813 --> 00:59:12,916
are in Salisbury, you know,
speaking to people,
890
00:59:12,983 --> 00:59:15,552
it's surely over by this point,
isn't it?
891
00:59:15,619 --> 00:59:18,188
(suspenseful music)
892
00:59:20,290 --> 00:59:22,692
Meg: Everything calmed down,
893
00:59:23,660 --> 00:59:25,996
we got the city back,
894
00:59:27,564 --> 00:59:28,732
the ducks returned,
895
00:59:30,033 --> 00:59:33,737
and it was just a joy.
896
00:59:35,939 --> 00:59:41,178
I think everyone was happy
to celebrate being safe again.
897
00:59:42,746 --> 00:59:46,316
We had such an enjoyable time,
very special.
898
00:59:46,983 --> 00:59:48,685
Kelvin: It was
a magnificent day.
899
00:59:48,752 --> 00:59:51,555
And in this church...
900
00:59:51,621 --> 00:59:53,490
(distant singing)
901
00:59:53,824 --> 00:59:57,761
...we also had a ceremony
of going out into the Maltings,
902
00:59:57,828 --> 00:59:59,429
where it had all taken place.
903
01:00:00,397 --> 01:00:02,732
It was a way of saying,
actually, this is our city,
904
01:00:02,799 --> 01:00:05,435
and, uh, we have our values.
905
01:00:06,670 --> 01:00:12,442
This water of new life,
I symbolically cleanse our city.
906
01:00:13,343 --> 01:00:15,045
(cheering and laughing)
907
01:00:16,613 --> 01:00:19,749
Emma: The cleansing of the city
of Novichok
908
01:00:19,816 --> 01:00:21,785
was quite a thing to see.
909
01:00:21,852 --> 01:00:23,453
(ominous music)
910
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:28,125
But there was part of me that
thought, "This is not over yet."
911
01:00:46,076 --> 01:00:48,778
It was just a normal Saturday.
912
01:00:49,212 --> 01:00:53,283
We were just watching
a bit of daytime TV,
913
01:00:53,783 --> 01:00:55,085
and...
914
01:00:56,486 --> 01:01:02,893
I decided to give Dawn
the perfume which I'd found.
915
01:01:02,959 --> 01:01:05,128
(foreboding music)
916
01:01:05,195 --> 01:01:09,332
She'd sprayed it,
and gave it a sniff,
917
01:01:09,399 --> 01:01:11,301
then applied it on her wrists.
918
01:01:12,135 --> 01:01:14,137
But it was strange.
919
01:01:15,372 --> 01:01:17,374
A perfume with no smell.
920
01:01:18,909 --> 01:01:23,280
A short while after that,
she said she felt peculiar.
921
01:01:24,781 --> 01:01:29,319
She left to go to the bathroom
and I, um, heard a clonk.
922
01:01:32,355 --> 01:01:33,823
I went in the bathroom,
923
01:01:34,224 --> 01:01:36,826
and she wouldn't...
wouldn't respond.
924
01:01:37,961 --> 01:01:39,896
Yeah, it's...
925
01:01:42,532 --> 01:01:43,934
Sorry, yeah.
926
01:01:46,970 --> 01:01:48,205
Yeah.
927
01:01:53,743 --> 01:01:55,045
(suspenseful music)
928
01:01:55,111 --> 01:01:57,180
Phoned 999,
929
01:01:58,815 --> 01:02:00,784
before I become ill myself.
930
01:02:04,654 --> 01:02:06,389
Neil: Paramedics had been
called to the house.
931
01:02:06,456 --> 01:02:08,592
Salisbury police
seemed very confused.
932
01:02:08,658 --> 01:02:10,360
They've immediately jumped to
the conclusion
933
01:02:10,427 --> 01:02:12,929
that this is just a couple
of drug addicts,
934
01:02:13,964 --> 01:02:16,833
which is a terrible assumption
935
01:02:17,133 --> 01:02:18,868
because she wasn't
a drug addict.
936
01:02:18,935 --> 01:02:20,103
She was a...
937
01:02:20,170 --> 01:02:22,272
you know, a loving mum of three.
938
01:02:23,473 --> 01:02:26,309
It was the worst-case scenario.
939
01:02:29,479 --> 01:02:31,014
Reporter: The nerve agent
incident
940
01:02:31,081 --> 01:02:32,816
that's cast a shadow
over Salisbury
941
01:02:32,882 --> 01:02:35,552
has taken a serious turn
for the worst.
942
01:02:36,353 --> 01:02:38,255
Now it's murder.
943
01:02:40,357 --> 01:02:43,059
It was just the hugest shock.
944
01:02:43,793 --> 01:02:47,731
Reporter: Dawn Sturgess died
following exposure to Novichok.
945
01:02:48,565 --> 01:02:52,702
Emma: I was the first person at
the scene where she was found.
946
01:02:52,769 --> 01:02:54,304
I just burst into tears.
947
01:02:55,605 --> 01:02:58,508
This woman, you know,
this innocent woman...
948
01:02:59,042 --> 01:03:01,878
It could've been me.
It could've been any of us.
949
01:03:03,813 --> 01:03:06,716
I also felt incredibly sorry for
Charlie because he loved her,
950
01:03:06,783 --> 01:03:10,420
and he effectively felt
responsible for killing her.
951
01:03:10,954 --> 01:03:13,823
It was just
the world's greatest tragedy.
952
01:03:17,127 --> 01:03:19,729
Reporter: A counterfeit bottle
of designer perfume
953
01:03:19,796 --> 01:03:21,031
brought from Moscow,
954
01:03:21,097 --> 01:03:22,866
the suspected weapon.
955
01:03:24,801 --> 01:03:26,770
There was enough volume
of Novichok
956
01:03:26,836 --> 01:03:31,141
in that tiny perfume tester
bottle to kill 10,000 people.
957
01:03:32,042 --> 01:03:35,278
Which, to me, made it a weapon
of mass destruction.
958
01:03:35,879 --> 01:03:37,881
I dunno about you,
but I tend to think of
959
01:03:37,947 --> 01:03:41,151
intercontinental ballistic
missiles with nuclear warheads
960
01:03:41,217 --> 01:03:43,019
as weapons of mass destruction.
961
01:03:43,453 --> 01:03:46,289
Not a Nina Ricci
perfume tester bottle.
962
01:03:46,356 --> 01:03:48,191
Journalist: Should the public
have been alerted sooner
963
01:03:48,258 --> 01:03:49,826
to potential dangers?
964
01:03:51,995 --> 01:03:54,097
Theresa May: What I felt
was a...
965
01:03:54,164 --> 01:03:57,734
not just a profound sense
of sympathy
966
01:03:58,001 --> 01:04:00,904
um, and concern
for her friends and family
967
01:04:00,970 --> 01:04:02,772
and obviously for her partner,
968
01:04:02,839 --> 01:04:04,507
(indistinct dialogue)
969
01:04:04,574 --> 01:04:10,613
...but also immense anger at
the Russian agents who did this
970
01:04:11,147 --> 01:04:16,052
and a steely determination
that we were going to get them.
971
01:04:17,454 --> 01:04:20,023
And I've got a prime minister,
a national security advisor,
972
01:04:20,090 --> 01:04:22,792
a cabinet secretary
and an entire cabinet going,
973
01:04:22,859 --> 01:04:24,461
"We need to say something."
974
01:04:25,161 --> 01:04:27,330
So, the press conference
was called
975
01:04:27,630 --> 01:04:30,867
largely to say we've done
everything we possibly can do.
976
01:04:31,101 --> 01:04:34,604
Both suspects are approximately
40 years old.
977
01:04:34,671 --> 01:04:36,339
They are both Russian nationals,
978
01:04:36,406 --> 01:04:39,109
and they were travelling
on Russian passports.
979
01:04:39,175 --> 01:04:40,543
(tense music)
980
01:04:40,610 --> 01:04:43,813
It is likely that they were
travelling under aliases,
981
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:45,648
and these are not
their real names.
982
01:04:46,549 --> 01:04:48,752
Reporter: Police have
determined that the pair left
983
01:04:48,818 --> 01:04:50,387
soon after the attack
984
01:04:50,453 --> 01:04:52,389
and that neither of them
were known
985
01:04:52,455 --> 01:04:55,191
to British intelligence
authorities.
986
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:59,996
Christo: So here we're looking
at this press release,
987
01:05:01,164 --> 01:05:05,201
which showed clearly nobody knew
the real names
988
01:05:05,268 --> 01:05:07,036
behind these fake identities.
989
01:05:08,238 --> 01:05:09,406
We see it as a puzzle,
990
01:05:09,472 --> 01:05:12,308
and we have to start
with the data we have.
991
01:05:12,375 --> 01:05:16,713
Two faces, two fake names,
a rough age.
992
01:05:17,580 --> 01:05:21,918
So that's a puzzle we have to
fit all of these few clues
993
01:05:21,985 --> 01:05:26,489
into a world of what, 200
million people living in Russia.
994
01:05:29,325 --> 01:05:33,930
And then suddenly,
Putin comes into the whole story
995
01:05:33,997 --> 01:05:36,332
and makes a statement.
996
01:05:37,901 --> 01:05:40,370
(speaking in Russian)
997
01:05:45,508 --> 01:05:47,110
Christo: And he goes and says,
998
01:05:47,177 --> 01:05:50,146
"I think these are very
law-abiding, good citizens."
999
01:05:50,213 --> 01:05:52,048
"There's nothing criminal about
them,
1000
01:05:52,115 --> 01:05:53,850
but let them speak
about themselves,
1001
01:05:53,917 --> 01:05:55,351
let them come forward."
1002
01:05:56,653 --> 01:05:59,856
(speaking in Russian)
1003
01:06:01,958 --> 01:06:04,093
(mysterious music)
1004
01:06:05,328 --> 01:06:07,096
So we stop in our tracks
and say,
1005
01:06:07,163 --> 01:06:09,399
"Well, this is becoming
bigger than we thought."
1006
01:06:09,466 --> 01:06:12,168
"Why don't we just wait and see
what gets published?"
1007
01:06:12,569 --> 01:06:16,206
And the next day, Russia Today
airs the famous interview
1008
01:06:16,272 --> 01:06:17,674
with the two of them.
1009
01:06:17,740 --> 01:06:18,875
(speaking in Russian)
1010
01:06:36,259 --> 01:06:38,027
Christo: The whole world
was waiting to see
1011
01:06:38,094 --> 01:06:39,662
what the hell this could be.
1012
01:06:40,029 --> 01:06:42,198
They must have
a really strong case.
1013
01:07:05,455 --> 01:07:08,992
Well, it's still as cringeworthy
as anything I've seen.
1014
01:07:09,058 --> 01:07:11,828
I've never seen anything
more cringy.
1015
01:07:25,208 --> 01:07:26,509
Christo: You just have to
look at the
1016
01:07:26,576 --> 01:07:28,177
ridiculousness around their face
1017
01:07:28,244 --> 01:07:30,647
to know that that is just a lie.
1018
01:07:31,047 --> 01:07:33,116
(mysterious music)
1019
01:07:33,182 --> 01:07:35,685
Christo: And so we started
trying to contact
1020
01:07:35,752 --> 01:07:39,255
former military officers
from Russia,
1021
01:07:39,322 --> 01:07:41,057
asking a simple question.
1022
01:07:41,124 --> 01:07:43,493
If these are people
in their early 40s,
1023
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:45,995
and they are professional
military spies,
1024
01:07:46,429 --> 01:07:50,166
where would they have studied
their trade craft, their skills?
1025
01:07:53,303 --> 01:07:55,505
And we received two answers
from two different people
1026
01:07:55,572 --> 01:07:57,540
that converged
on the same thing.
1027
01:07:57,874 --> 01:08:00,343
There were only two elite
schools that was mentioned
1028
01:08:00,410 --> 01:08:03,780
as a sort of breeding ground
for spies.
1029
01:08:04,347 --> 01:08:07,984
One of them was the Far Eastern
military institute.
1030
01:08:08,885 --> 01:08:10,253
Why don't you look there?
1031
01:08:11,020 --> 01:08:12,889
So we started digging into it.
1032
01:08:13,623 --> 01:08:16,826
And then the evidence came
in the form of a Facebook page
1033
01:08:16,893 --> 01:08:18,828
of a former graduate,
1034
01:08:20,129 --> 01:08:23,866
and he's literally photographing
everything as he walks around.
1035
01:08:24,867 --> 01:08:26,169
And then he goes to something
1036
01:08:26,235 --> 01:08:28,605
that is called
the Wall of Honour.
1037
01:08:28,938 --> 01:08:30,406
And there in the blurriness,
1038
01:08:30,473 --> 01:08:35,445
we saw a silhouette of somebody
with a Hero of Russia award,
1039
01:08:35,511 --> 01:08:38,047
who looks so much
like one of our spies.
1040
01:08:38,281 --> 01:08:40,516
But then we zoomed in,
we enhanced the photo,
1041
01:08:40,583 --> 01:08:43,353
and there was no doubt
that this is our guy.
1042
01:08:43,419 --> 01:08:46,389
But the name under the photo
was Anatoliy Chepiga.
1043
01:08:47,090 --> 01:08:51,060
This meant that Boshirov
was in fact Anatoliy Chepiga.
1044
01:08:51,594 --> 01:08:55,331
We had a moment of jubilation,
but where's the other one?
1045
01:08:58,334 --> 01:09:01,137
We had some minor clues of who
this might be,
1046
01:09:01,204 --> 01:09:06,576
but ultimately, we came across a
leaked car registration database
1047
01:09:06,809 --> 01:09:09,145
and that showed that
the guy we knew,
1048
01:09:09,212 --> 01:09:11,948
Chepiga, had actually sold a car
1049
01:09:12,015 --> 01:09:15,785
to somebody called
Alexander Mishkin.
1050
01:09:15,852 --> 01:09:18,488
And they were registered
to the same address
1051
01:09:18,554 --> 01:09:19,789
at a dormitory in Moscow
1052
01:09:19,856 --> 01:09:22,325
belonging to Russian
military intelligence.
1053
01:09:24,927 --> 01:09:27,263
So we thought maybe this Mishkin
guy,
1054
01:09:27,330 --> 01:09:30,533
the guy with the car,
is the one we're looking for.
1055
01:09:31,901 --> 01:09:33,870
But we needed to be really sure.
1056
01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:37,040
Then we had discovered
that he grew up
1057
01:09:37,473 --> 01:09:39,942
and was born in
this tiny village called Loyga.
1058
01:09:44,047 --> 01:09:45,515
And we sent somebody to Loyga.
1059
01:09:45,581 --> 01:09:48,718
Surely we can find somebody
who can point him out to us
1060
01:09:48,785 --> 01:09:50,520
and recognise him on a photo.
1061
01:09:53,923 --> 01:09:56,092
It was a match, 100%.
1062
01:09:56,959 --> 01:09:59,662
Petrov was Alexander Mishkin.
1063
01:10:01,631 --> 01:10:06,369
But the biggest takeaway of that
visit to Loyga was that,
1064
01:10:06,436 --> 01:10:07,570
like Chepiga,
1065
01:10:07,637 --> 01:10:11,474
Mishkin also had received
the medal of Hero of Russia.
1066
01:10:17,246 --> 01:10:19,682
The thing is that award
is only bestowed
1067
01:10:19,749 --> 01:10:20,883
by the President of Russia.
1068
01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:22,552
(dramatic Russian folk music)
1069
01:10:22,618 --> 01:10:25,621
That meant that both
Mishkin and Chepiga
1070
01:10:26,622 --> 01:10:28,591
has shaken hands with Putin.
1071
01:10:28,658 --> 01:10:31,761
There was no way Putin would not
have known who they are.
1072
01:10:32,428 --> 01:10:34,197
(line ringing)
1073
01:10:34,263 --> 01:10:37,133
I remember I got a call from
a journalist to say,
1074
01:10:37,767 --> 01:10:40,536
"You've been asking for
the evidence, here it is."
1075
01:10:40,603 --> 01:10:41,571
(suspenseful music)
1076
01:10:41,637 --> 01:10:44,040
So now we know exactly
who's done this.
1077
01:10:45,007 --> 01:10:47,076
There's no doubt that something
like this would have had to have
1078
01:10:47,143 --> 01:10:49,178
been sanctioned
by Putin himself.
1079
01:10:50,847 --> 01:10:51,681
Morning.
1080
01:10:51,748 --> 01:10:54,350
There is overwhelming evidence
1081
01:10:54,417 --> 01:10:56,619
that the Novichok
was brought to Salisbury
1082
01:10:56,686 --> 01:10:59,188
by Russian GRU officers.
1083
01:11:00,256 --> 01:11:05,328
I am sure that in conducting
this attack on Sergei Skripal,
1084
01:11:05,394 --> 01:11:07,930
they must have been acting on
instructions
1085
01:11:07,997 --> 01:11:10,166
received from their superiors.
1086
01:11:11,033 --> 01:11:12,435
And I've concluded
1087
01:11:12,502 --> 01:11:15,605
that the operation
to assassinate Sergei Skripal
1088
01:11:15,671 --> 01:11:18,775
must have been authorised
at the highest level.
1089
01:11:21,778 --> 01:11:24,113
Indeed, by President Putin.
1090
01:11:28,851 --> 01:11:35,324
Now our allies could be
100% sure that it was Russia,
1091
01:11:35,391 --> 01:11:36,559
that they'd done it
deliberately.
1092
01:11:36,626 --> 01:11:44,233
The 8,362nd meeting
of the Security Council
1093
01:11:44,300 --> 01:11:46,569
is called to order.
1094
01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:48,437
Thank you, Mr President.
1095
01:11:48,738 --> 01:11:51,541
The United Kingdom has presented
detailed evidence
1096
01:11:51,607 --> 01:11:54,610
clearly laid out in charges
of attempted murder
1097
01:11:54,677 --> 01:11:57,180
and the use and possession
of a chemical weapon
1098
01:11:57,246 --> 01:11:59,715
against two agents
of the Russian state.
1099
01:11:59,782 --> 01:12:02,051
And we will continue to take
the necessary steps
1100
01:12:02,118 --> 01:12:04,420
to ensure
our collective security.
1101
01:12:04,887 --> 01:12:08,291
I said to President Trump
and to other world leaders,
1102
01:12:08,691 --> 01:12:11,594
if we let them do this
without a reaction,
1103
01:12:11,661 --> 01:12:14,730
then they will think they are
able to do it elsewhere.
1104
01:12:14,797 --> 01:12:16,599
Reporter: 16 EU member states
1105
01:12:16,666 --> 01:12:19,635
have announced the expulsion
of Russian diplomats.
1106
01:12:19,702 --> 01:12:23,873
Outside the EU,
Ukraine expelled 13 diplomats.
1107
01:12:24,507 --> 01:12:27,109
But the biggest batch of
expulsions comes from the US,
1108
01:12:27,176 --> 01:12:28,277
where the White House announced
1109
01:12:28,344 --> 01:12:30,246
60 officials would have
to leave,
1110
01:12:30,313 --> 01:12:32,615
including a dozen
based at the UN.
1111
01:12:32,682 --> 01:12:36,552
And it was the biggest expulsion
of Russian intelligence officers
1112
01:12:36,619 --> 01:12:39,155
around the world
that had ever been seen.
1113
01:12:41,023 --> 01:12:43,392
Amber Rudd: Putin only
respects strength.
1114
01:12:43,459 --> 01:12:46,762
The only way to respond to him
is to stand up to him.
1115
01:12:46,829 --> 01:12:50,132
And we mustn't be frightened
of doing that.
1116
01:12:50,466 --> 01:12:55,338
And we must guard NATO's borders
literally with our lives.
1117
01:13:06,883 --> 01:13:08,751
Christo: The case
of the Skripal poisonings
1118
01:13:08,818 --> 01:13:11,354
never finished for me
and my colleagues.
1119
01:13:14,590 --> 01:13:17,260
It just became the beginning
of a whole new series
1120
01:13:17,326 --> 01:13:18,928
of investigations.
1121
01:13:21,898 --> 01:13:26,135
Anyway, so I'll show you some
specific data a bit later.
1122
01:13:26,202 --> 01:13:27,970
(tense music)
1123
01:13:28,037 --> 01:13:29,739
-Hey, man.
-How are you?
1124
01:13:31,974 --> 01:13:34,043
The last trip taken by him
1125
01:13:34,510 --> 01:13:37,446
travelling on military planes
undercover.
1126
01:13:38,414 --> 01:13:40,583
We continued tracking.
1127
01:13:41,484 --> 01:13:43,252
We found they're still
living in Russia
1128
01:13:43,319 --> 01:13:45,454
and they're still
very much active.
1129
01:13:45,521 --> 01:13:47,023
These are Mishkin's
two daughters.
1130
01:13:47,089 --> 01:13:51,327
This daughter was literally born
on the day they left Salisbury.
1131
01:13:51,394 --> 01:13:52,662
-No.
-Yes.
1132
01:13:53,162 --> 01:13:55,564
I know them better than anyone.
1133
01:13:55,631 --> 01:13:58,267
I certainly know their life
better than their wives do.
1134
01:13:58,334 --> 01:14:00,403
We have their medical records,
1135
01:14:00,469 --> 01:14:02,305
car insurance databases,
1136
01:14:02,705 --> 01:14:03,940
driver's licenses.
1137
01:14:05,007 --> 01:14:07,243
We even hacked traffic cameras.
1138
01:14:07,977 --> 01:14:11,447
And look at him,
he's got like a new fancy beard.
1139
01:14:11,847 --> 01:14:13,282
By tracking them,
1140
01:14:13,749 --> 01:14:18,554
we uncovered a whole new unit
run by these guys.
1141
01:14:20,089 --> 01:14:21,924
Nickname: Sabotage University.
1142
01:14:24,260 --> 01:14:28,064
Turns out they're training
the new generation
1143
01:14:28,130 --> 01:14:29,699
of freelance killers.
1144
01:14:30,032 --> 01:14:31,567
(police sirens)
1145
01:14:31,634 --> 01:14:35,604
People from the street with
no prior military background,
1146
01:14:35,671 --> 01:14:37,673
criminals from different
countries...
1147
01:14:38,307 --> 01:14:40,643
(shouting)
1148
01:14:40,710 --> 01:14:45,648
...being trained to conduct
acts of sabotage...
1149
01:14:46,215 --> 01:14:48,384
Stay still! Stay still!
1150
01:14:49,118 --> 01:14:50,720
...and assassinations.
1151
01:14:54,790 --> 01:14:57,093
The knowledge of what
they're doing today
1152
01:14:57,793 --> 01:15:00,963
allows us to predict
what might be happening next.
1153
01:15:02,398 --> 01:15:04,400
There's comes a point where you
have to tell the world
1154
01:15:04,467 --> 01:15:05,901
what you've found.
1155
01:15:05,968 --> 01:15:07,169
Christo, thanks for joining us.
1156
01:15:07,236 --> 01:15:08,270
Hi.
1157
01:15:08,337 --> 01:15:10,306
We'll be going live
in one minute.
1158
01:15:10,606 --> 01:15:11,974
Very good, thank you.
1159
01:15:13,442 --> 01:15:16,112
John: Everybody reads about
the plots that get through,
1160
01:15:16,846 --> 01:15:19,315
but no one reads about the plots
that are disrupted.
1161
01:15:19,382 --> 01:15:21,984
And there are thousands,
if not tens of thousands
1162
01:15:22,051 --> 01:15:24,186
of people now going about
their daily lives
1163
01:15:24,253 --> 01:15:27,423
who would have been killed
had it not been for the people
1164
01:15:27,490 --> 01:15:29,825
who have helped
Western intelligence agencies.
1165
01:15:31,293 --> 01:15:37,066
Okay, Christo, going live in 3,
2, and we're live.
1166
01:15:37,700 --> 01:15:40,302
Christo, thanks so much
for being with us.
1167
01:15:42,371 --> 01:15:44,407
These are new,
blood-curdling discoveries
1168
01:15:44,473 --> 01:15:47,443
that we find today about what
these teams are doing,
1169
01:15:47,877 --> 01:15:50,246
all the way from connected
crimes, as they call it,
1170
01:15:50,312 --> 01:15:52,715
like killing people,
targeting people,
1171
01:15:53,449 --> 01:15:54,450
to disruption,
1172
01:15:54,517 --> 01:15:57,520
to disinformation projects
around the world.
1173
01:15:58,421 --> 01:16:01,924
I guess what this also does is
as well reminds the public
1174
01:16:01,991 --> 01:16:04,427
that this is sort of
an ever-present danger.
1175
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:06,028
-Totally agree.
-Okay.
1176
01:16:06,095 --> 01:16:07,329
All the best with your work,
Christo.
1177
01:16:07,396 --> 01:16:09,665
Thank you. Have a great
day. Thanks. Bye.
1178
01:16:12,535 --> 01:16:13,636
Good.
1179
01:16:14,437 --> 01:16:15,471
(sighs)
1180
01:16:22,178 --> 01:16:24,346
(pensive music)
1181
01:16:32,288 --> 01:16:36,292
Meg: What had happened here
was so surreal.
1182
01:16:37,726 --> 01:16:43,132
It took a while to sort of work
out, what does it mean to me?
1183
01:16:44,133 --> 01:16:48,037
It was like fiction,
but it was real.
1184
01:16:48,737 --> 01:16:49,738
Tragic.
1185
01:16:55,711 --> 01:16:59,482
It doesn't sound like
it's something that happens
1186
01:17:00,182 --> 01:17:01,750
in your town.
1187
01:17:06,255 --> 01:17:09,058
Emma: You do wonder what
happened to Sergei Skripal.
1188
01:17:11,994 --> 01:17:14,663
Is he still here?
Does he still come here?
1189
01:17:14,730 --> 01:17:16,599
(jaunty music)
1190
01:17:16,665 --> 01:17:19,468
I mean, I have friends
who claim to have seen him
1191
01:17:19,535 --> 01:17:21,704
at the cemetery,
1192
01:17:21,770 --> 01:17:24,206
where his wife is buried.
1193
01:17:28,043 --> 01:17:30,212
(wind whistling)
1194
01:17:54,870 --> 01:17:59,308
♪ I hear the thunder roar
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