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{\an8}By the early '90s,
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{\an8}Harrison Ford had traveled a
long way from Indy to Jack.
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Get down!
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Harrison's combination
of action star
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and thinking man's
action star.
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Same day.
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Made him a perfect Jack Ryan.
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Hello.
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{\an8}Patriot Games
proved the life
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{\an8}of a mature action
hero was complicated.
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The only person that disagreed
with me was Harrison Ford.
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Harrison is the boss.
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I hate this job.
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Finally in
control of his career
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and his films, his next project.
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I am the fugitive, yes.
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Probably the worst pitch I've
ever done in my entire life.
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Would find
him chasing solutions
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to problems he just
couldn't escape.
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I read the script
and it didn't make a
lot of sense to me.
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This
character was running away.
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Your fugitive's name
is Dr. Richard Kimmel.
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But what was
Harrison Ford running towards?
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Well, you want the truth,
or you want me to bullshit you?
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There's no way out
of here, Richard.
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I said to Harrison,
"Where the fuck am I?"
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You never give up.
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On a film
where coming off the rails...
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First cinematographer
had to be fired.
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...was both a feature...
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- They had one shot at it.
- ...and a bug.
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We spent most of the night
trying to dig out the cameras.
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You find this man.
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And
exactly how much running
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did the now middle-aged star
have left?
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He twisted his knee
and he was in pain.
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I mean, if you look at it,
you can see him limping.
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As a film,
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perpetually searching
for its own ending--
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Everyone knew we were looking
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for that third act
while we were shooting.
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- What do you got?
- I got nothing.
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Warner Bros.
sent an executive out
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to fire me if I did not
put a love interest in.
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What are your other hobbies?
Brain surgery?
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Threatened to
serve up a Hollywood ending
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of a different kind
for its star.
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Tommy was like
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"Ain't nobody gonna win
an Academy Award on this one."
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"The Fugitive" doesn't work.
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This is such a shit show,
we're never gonna work again.
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- This is a career killer.
- Oh Jesus.
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What if we told
you that Harrison Ford's career
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owes a lot to the French?
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The French Revolution, at least.
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Actually, not as much
the revolution,
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as a very
famous book about it.
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{\an8}It was based on
the Victor Hugo novel
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{\an8}about the French Revolution.
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It's all to
do with the 1960s TV show
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that copied Les
Miserables' storyline
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about a wrongly
accused man on the run.
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And Dr. Kimble must be found.
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It was
a primetime drama
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that needed only four seasons...
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You like it?
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I haven't seen much.
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{\an8}...to capture
an entire generation.
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{\an8}Had I ever watched
"The Fugitive"
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with David Janssen?
Are you kidding me?
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Oh,
so that big a fan?
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Yep.
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"The Fugitive" would
be Harrison Ford's
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next big move in 1993.
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But the story of that
film really begins
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around 30 years earlier.
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I was obsessed with that show.
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Every week there
was a cliffhanger.
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He's innocent.
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The law says guilty.
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He almost got caught.
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Week
in and week out.
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He almost caught the
one-armed man.
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Almost.
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Knowing
the one-armed man
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would help prove Dr.
Kimble's innocence,
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78 million tuned into
the series finale,
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hoping for a happy ending.
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I think the
number of viewers
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{\an8}for that last episode
was astronomical.
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{\an8}It had never been
anything like that before.
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It was
just a matter of time
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before someone thought
this beloved TV show
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could become a beloved movie.
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We felt that we could create
that tension as a feature.
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Anne
Kopelson was one half
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of a Hollywood power couple.
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Her entertainment lawyer
husband Arnold saw potential
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for "The Fugitive"
on the big screen.
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He really wanted
to do this movie.
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It was a big dream of his.
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But first,
he needed the rights.
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{\an8}Arnold soon found out who owned
those when he met this man.
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{\an8}Well, I remembered
the TV series
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with David Janssen.
It was a cult classic.
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Keith
Barish knew the series,
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but more importantly, he
knew the people in it.
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I knew Dani Janssen,
his widow.
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She used to give great
Academy Award parties
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where most stars showed up
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and we brought the
rights to "The Fugitive."
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Now, Roy Huggins was attached
'cause he owned the rights.
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And
Keith's company, Taft Barish,
already had plans
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to make "The Fugitive"
into a movie.
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David Twohy had
done one draft.
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{\an8}There was enough there to
see it would be a movie.
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I knew one day I'd make it.
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But Keith's
business partners
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didn't want to make
"The Fugitive."
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They didn't want to
make anything anymore.
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Taft decided that they didn't
wanna make any more movies.
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Not a chance! Now hands off.
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Keith was
offered the rights
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to one of their
two final pictures.
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And they had "The
Fugitive," "The Flintstones."
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Yabba-dabba-doo!
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I chose "The Fugitive."
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When
Arnold approached Keith
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about "The Fugitive,"
he was telling Keith
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exactly what any
producer wants to hear.
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Arnold came to me and said,
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"I can get the financing
for the movies."
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I said,
"I've heard that before."
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He said, "No, no,
no, I guarantee."
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{\an8}So it wasn't just
that he knew the law
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{\an8}and he knew all the players
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{\an8}'cause he was an
entertainment attorney,
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but he was also a
charming, persuasive guy.
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Now Arnold
just needed
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to charm
the right studio.
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Warner Bros. was the
one that really stepped up.
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Warner Bros.
was a yes.
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{\an8}Now Arnold needed a writer to
get the script off the ground.
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We were working on a
film called "Warlock,"
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which had
David Twohy as the writer.
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This is the
terrifying adventure
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that could set
the world on fire.
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David Twohy's
draft of "The Fugitive"
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wasn't destined to
set the world on fire,
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so much as to get him fired.
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But he managed to leave
his mark on the script.
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{\an8}He did write the action
beats, the jumping,
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{\an8}the dam or the car,
the train crash.
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He did have in place some
of those action elements,
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But
before "The Fugitive"
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could have a new beginning,
it needed a new ending.
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I don't think it was an issue
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that the writers didn't get it.
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They had their own version
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of what they thought
the ending should be.
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Working out exactly
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{\an8}how the story would end
was newly-hired writer
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{\an8}Jeb Stuart's first job.
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Not his first job
as a scriptwriter.
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That was a little Christmas
movie called "Die Hard."
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Happy trails, Hans.
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Some of the best action
screenwriters of the early '90s
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and the '80s had
taken a swing at this.
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And by the way, there
was no star attached.
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Which is where
Harrison Ford enters our story.
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Or he would if Warner
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could lure him into taking
on another franchise.
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There was a pretty good
idea that he might be up
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for multiple movies
based on "The Fugitive."
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But Jeb was
thinking one and done.
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I made it clear at the time
that I didn't want it to be,
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you know, Fugitive One,
Fugitive Two, Fugitive Three.
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I felt like it ought
to be a standalone.
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Also up for debate,
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exactly who should
be the bad guy.
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They felt like that
the Gerard character
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should be the bad guy.
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I can't permit it.
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Gerard was
the police Lieutenant
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convinced Dr. Kimble was
guilty of murdering his wife.
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I kind of pushed back that
there was a different bad guy.
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It wasn't the one-armed man,
it's not Gerard.
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Did you kill Helen Kimble?
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Part of my whole thing
too is that I'm looking
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for different kind of
investigative engines.
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I didn't want the
Gerard character
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to be the only one who is
trying to solve a mystery.
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While Jeb was
contemplating his bad guy,
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Warner Bros. was searching
for the right good guy.
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The studio ultimately
would make that decision
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because they needed
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to have somebody who
could sell the movie.
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If not
Harrison, then surely the man
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who was trying desperately
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to have the same
career, Alec Baldwin.
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The studio did
not like that choice.
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Alec had got a bite
for the Jack Ryan cherry
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in "The Hunt for Red October."
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How did you know that?
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Before Harrison
took the Clancy cake.
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You don't miss much, do you?
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Unfortunately for Alec,
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{\an8}Harrison already
had a head start
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{\an8}and had just played a
man wrongly accused.
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You think I killed her?
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Well, Harrison and
his manager
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was a woman
by the name of Pat McQueeney
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and she was a longtime
manager of Harrison's.
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And we established a
relationship with her
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in hopes that she could
convince Harrison to do it.
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While Jeb was still
thinking about his bad guy,
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it unexpectedly
became his job
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to land the good guy when
he received a summons.
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So I got on a plane in
New York and I flew out,
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and when I landed in LA I
was told, "We're flying out
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to Jackson Hole on
the Warner's jet
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and you're gonna pitch
Harrison your story."
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A golden opportunity.
Except for one thing.
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I didn't have a story.
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I mean, I had some loose
thoughts in my head,
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but we were at the
beginning of the process.
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By the time
the Warner Bros.' jet
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landed in Jackson Hole
in Wyoming...
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Depending upon my pitch,
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he may or may not
do "The Fugitive."
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...Jeb had
conjured up something
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to throw at Harrison Ford.
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We sat down in
his living room.
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But would it stick?
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I proceeded to tell him
the story of "The Fugitive,"
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which was probably
the worst pitch
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I've ever done in
my entire life.
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The missing link was if
Gerard's not the bad guy
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and the one-armed man
is just the killer,
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Who is the bad guy?
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There's no point
in asking you again,
is there?
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No, I'm afraid not.
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And about this
time, about 20 minutes
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or 30 minutes, it may
have been an hour.
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It felt like five days
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that I'm in this very
uncomfortable pitch.
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I'm realizing that his eyes
are rolling back in his head.
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And I know that behind
me, all the producers
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and studio executives
are going like this.
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It's not over yet.
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Writer Jeb
Stuart was in the midst
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of the worst pitch of his life.
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{\an8}But it was very,
very convoluted.
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He needed someone
to throw him a lifeline.
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Harrison outta the blue said,
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"I hear you're a tennis player."
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I was, before I became
a screenwriter,
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I'd been a tennis pro
and taught tennis
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and was pretty good.
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He was a big tennis player
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and had a court out at his ranch
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and he said,
"Let's play a match."
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It was
the perfect opportunity
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to break the tension.
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But that wouldn't be
the only thing to break.
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In the process of the play,
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Harrison's racket hit
the bridge of his nose.
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It did some damage, let's
say, a lot of blood.
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Harrison
hadn't even signed up
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for "The Fugitive"
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and already he was
bleeding for his art.
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T-shirt's covered in blood.
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His nose is all you
know, messed up.
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It
looked to executives
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like Jeb's pitch had
gone violently wrong
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and Harrison wasn't going to
let his blood go to waste.
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He says to me,
kind of devilishly,
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"Let's not talk
about any of this.
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Let's just go back in
and pitch the show."
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And he sits down and he listens
to the rest of the pitch.
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And nobody says a
word about the injury.
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In need
of a doctor himself,
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Harrison Ford announced his
intention to become one.
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Love it, I'm in.
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And everybody was
like, what happened?
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You know, oh my God.
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Well they were looking
at me, what happened?
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Only
Harrison Ford knows
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what changed on
that tennis court.
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The good news for everybody
is that even without a script
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or a fully formed idea,
he saw Dr. Richard Kimble
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and it was the start of a
really good collaboration.
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Maybe the
bleeding was an omen
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because Harrison Ford had
just signed onto a film
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destined to test his limits.
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Warner slated "The Fugitive"
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for release in less than a year.
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{\an8}And the film still didn't
have a finished script
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or someone to direct it.
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{\an8}And that particular time,
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{\an8}we were invited to
see the movie "Under Siege."
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And what is this, huh?
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You're in the Navy, man,
you gotta look good, huh?
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And after we saw the
movie Arnold, he said,
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"I think we found our
director for 'The Fugitive.'"
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Home Run.
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{\an8}I just finished "Under Siege,"
there was a wrap party
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and Arnold Kopelson
came up to me and said,
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"I know your next film."
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Before
Andrew could even say yes--
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Sunday night I got a
call from an executive,
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the head of production, Bruce
Berman at Warner Bros.
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congratulating me.
And I said, "What for?"
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And he said, "Well, Harrison saw
'Under Siege' over the weekend
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and he would like to have
you direct 'The Fugitive.'"
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So they sent a script.
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That
would be the script
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that Jeb hadn't
really worked out yet.
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I read the script
and it didn't make a
lot of sense to me.
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But one thing
that did make sense to Andrew
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was the idea of working
with Harrison Ford.
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I said, "I better
figure out what to do,
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'cause I wanted to
certainly do a movie
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with Harrison Ford
called 'The Fugitive.'"
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So I went to this meeting
and we talked and you know,
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and I said, you know, I got
some problems with the script,
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but it was, you know,
we're gonna continue
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to work and make this better.
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We'll figure out who's
gonna play Gerard.
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Andrew already had
an idea for that.
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I basically had Tommy.
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Yes, of course,
hence the name.
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Tommy Lee was in "Under Siege."
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They were friends.
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And Roadrunner, out.
Beep beep!
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For the man
to play Tommy Lee's deputy,
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Andrew's mind turned to
one of his first films.
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The first movie
I was ever hired
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to direct was a horror movie.
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I don't know what the
title is. "The Final Terror"
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or something like that.
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Joey Pants played the monster
and the bad bus driver.
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And we became dear
friends from that.
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Wake up, pigs.
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{\an8}Joey Pants, aka--
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{\an8}Joseph Peter Pantoliano,
Joe Pantoliano,
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{\an8}Joey Pants.
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And of course--
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I played Cosmo Renfro
in "The Fugitive."
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When I die, I wanna
come back just like you.
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Oh, you mean
happy and handsome?
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00:14:35,625 --> 00:14:39,212
And Andy Davis called
me up one evening,
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he explained that there
was gonna be a team
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of Marshalls surrounding
Tommy Lee Jones.
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He said that he needed
somebody like a comic relief,
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somebody that could stand up,
not be intimidated.
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Yes, all right,
Sammy, we got him.
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But
Joe's involvement
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depended on another blessing.
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You know, and
Tommy had approval.
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And
winning Tommy's approval
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depended on whether
Joe liked the script.
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Time for a drink.
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So we opened a beer
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and he said, "So what do
you think of the script?"
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I decided to charm
him and I said,
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"Well, you want the truth or you
want me to bullshit you?"
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And he laughed.
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00:15:16,958 --> 00:15:18,335
He said, "Well,
you might as well,
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you know,
hit me with the truth."
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And I said, "Yeah, well,
these cardboard characters,
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they don't even
have last names."
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None of
that put Tommy off
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because he agreed, and
there was work to be done.
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And he started
strategizing with me.
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Which meant I had the job.
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My, my, my, my, my, what a mess.
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It's a circus.
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To play
opposite Harrison Ford--
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Thank you, I was
just down to my last joke.
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Actress Sela
Ward was personally approved
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by Harrison to be Helen Kimble.
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Sela, she's a lovely
woman, and she was in 110%.
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Whatever needed to be done,
she was there to do it.
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Thanks, honey.
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L. Scott Caldwell
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had to come from
nowhere to win her role.
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The word came back to me
that the studio head said,
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{\an8}"No, not too sure about her."
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00:16:09,719 --> 00:16:13,431
{\an8}Because there wasn't anything
on my reel that suggested
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that I could do
this kind of movie.
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So we put together this little
funky video and sent it in
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and they liked the
fact that I did that.
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And I got the role.
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00:16:25,986 --> 00:16:28,697
Care to revise
your statement, sir?
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In the
role of Kimble's friend,
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or rather frenemy, veteran
TV actor Richard Jordan.
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00:16:34,661 --> 00:16:37,831
I'm your friend, I understand.
We all go crazy once in a while.
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00:16:37,956 --> 00:16:41,418
Think we wanted someone who
was a kind of a waspy doctor,
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who could be a real good
friend of Harrison's.
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00:16:44,087 --> 00:16:46,047
Julian
Moore also joined
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in the role of Kimble's
new love interest.
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00:16:48,592 --> 00:16:51,136
You know, she'd just
done an Altman movie.
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00:16:51,136 --> 00:16:52,971
What are you talking about?
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00:16:53,096 --> 00:16:55,432
All these
pedigree actors came on board,
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00:16:55,432 --> 00:16:57,476
not because of the
script, but despite it.
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00:16:57,601 --> 00:17:01,855
The script was in
really bad shape.
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00:17:01,855 --> 00:17:04,691
It demanded a
first-page rewrite.
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00:17:04,816 --> 00:17:07,402
There were a lot
of script changes
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as we, you know, went along.
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00:17:09,821 --> 00:17:11,448
But Andy knew
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he had the actors
to deal with that.
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00:17:13,158 --> 00:17:16,077
And he wasn't afraid to
let his stars take flight.
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Knew Tommy was the guy.
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00:17:17,913 --> 00:17:20,415
We had done a lot of
improvisation in "Under Siege."
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Do I look like I need a
psychological evaluation?
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- Not at all.
- And he wrote
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00:17:25,629 --> 00:17:27,589
some amazing
material that's in that movie.
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00:17:27,589 --> 00:17:30,550
And so I knew that
between Joey Pants...
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00:17:30,675 --> 00:17:31,885
Can you all hear me now?
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...and Tommy Lee Jones...
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Behold my finest work.
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00:17:35,639 --> 00:17:37,891
...we were gonna be able to
figure out what the essence
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of each scene was and give
it language and words.
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- The Fugitive.
- Also helping,
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00:17:43,396 --> 00:17:45,357
the fact that the bones
of the story
427
00:17:45,482 --> 00:17:46,900
were already there
in black and white
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on the
original TV show.
429
00:17:48,777 --> 00:17:50,821
Now,
six months a fugitive,
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00:17:50,946 --> 00:17:53,532
this is Richard Kimble
with a new identity.
431
00:17:53,657 --> 00:17:55,867
There were parts of the
story which were
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part of "The Fugitive" lore,
which is the things that were,
433
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you know, back in
the television part.
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00:18:01,957 --> 00:18:04,209
He's falsely accused
of killing his wife.
435
00:18:04,209 --> 00:18:06,545
I found my wife
beaten to death.
436
00:18:06,545 --> 00:18:08,880
- Check.
- There is a one-armed man.
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00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,049
- A man with one arm.
- Check.
438
00:18:11,049 --> 00:18:13,426
There is a character named
Gerard. That didn't change.
439
00:18:13,426 --> 00:18:14,886
Well, he told you about me.
440
00:18:14,886 --> 00:18:16,930
Check,
but what about this?
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We did have the train
wreck and the bus crash
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00:18:19,057 --> 00:18:20,725
because that was part
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of the lore from the
television series.
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00:18:22,102 --> 00:18:23,687
Taking
almost everything
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00:18:23,687 --> 00:18:25,564
from the original TV show,
446
00:18:25,564 --> 00:18:28,608
except these
spinning transitions.
447
00:18:28,608 --> 00:18:30,735
We wanted to have that type
448
00:18:30,735 --> 00:18:33,613
of DNA from the
television series,
449
00:18:33,613 --> 00:18:36,116
but create a totally
different story.
450
00:18:36,283 --> 00:18:38,076
But
Jeb was determined
451
00:18:38,076 --> 00:18:40,453
to give his Dr. Kimble
character more punch.
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- Not literally.
- No police.
453
00:18:44,082 --> 00:18:47,127
So I was pushing Warner Bros.
back and saying
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that Dr. Kimble has to be
the proactive character.
455
00:18:50,547 --> 00:18:52,591
He has to be solving
who killed his wife,
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00:18:52,591 --> 00:18:54,926
okay, if it's not him.
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00:18:55,051 --> 00:18:56,094
That was a question
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00:18:56,219 --> 00:18:58,138
Jeb had to answer for himself
459
00:18:58,138 --> 00:19:01,892
as he struggled with the
plot or rather, plots.
460
00:19:02,225 --> 00:19:04,811
They had nine
different versions.
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00:19:04,936 --> 00:19:06,479
It was the one-armed man.
462
00:19:06,479 --> 00:19:08,774
It wasn't the one-armed
man. It was the doctor.
463
00:19:08,774 --> 00:19:12,194
It wasn't the doctor. At one
point, it was Kimble himself.
464
00:19:12,194 --> 00:19:14,613
"The Fugitive"
was about to start shooting,
465
00:19:14,613 --> 00:19:18,241
but it still lacked the one
thing no film can do without.
466
00:19:18,241 --> 00:19:20,869
We had those two acts, but
we didn't have the third act.
467
00:19:20,994 --> 00:19:23,580
It literally was a
slug for an ending.
468
00:19:23,580 --> 00:19:24,998
And it's hard to imagine today
469
00:19:24,998 --> 00:19:26,917
that a major studio
would allow that
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to kind of sit
there undeveloped.
471
00:19:31,922 --> 00:19:33,590
This
film about a fugitive
472
00:19:33,590 --> 00:19:35,217
was now a production
473
00:19:35,342 --> 00:19:37,177
chasing an ending that
appeared to be on the run.
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00:19:37,427 --> 00:19:39,012
We got a gofer.
475
00:19:39,137 --> 00:19:40,931
And if you don't
have a third act,
476
00:19:41,056 --> 00:19:43,600
you're hoping that the
first two acts are good enough
477
00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,560
so that you can figure it out.
478
00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,854
They would be
shooting a shot in the dark.
479
00:19:47,854 --> 00:19:49,981
There was an ending to this,
480
00:19:50,106 --> 00:19:52,234
but the threads were being
developed as we were shooting.
481
00:19:53,610 --> 00:19:54,736
And there
was next to no time
482
00:19:54,736 --> 00:19:55,821
to make it happen.
483
00:19:55,946 --> 00:19:57,531
Open the door!
484
00:20:01,326 --> 00:20:05,122
When shooting on "The Fugitive"
got underway in early 1993,
485
00:20:05,122 --> 00:20:07,582
producers had barely six months
486
00:20:07,707 --> 00:20:10,210
{\an8}to finish the film in
time for a summer release.
487
00:20:10,335 --> 00:20:12,587
But the story still
didn't have an ending.
488
00:20:12,587 --> 00:20:15,882
To make matters worse, the
end had already arrived
489
00:20:15,882 --> 00:20:17,801
for the man hired to shoot it.
490
00:20:17,801 --> 00:20:20,470
{\an8}First cinematographer
had to be fired.
491
00:20:20,595 --> 00:20:21,680
He just wasn't cutting it.
492
00:20:22,722 --> 00:20:25,600
Frank was unjustly let go.
493
00:20:26,142 --> 00:20:28,228
He shouldn't have gotten fired.
494
00:20:28,228 --> 00:20:29,896
We were shooting the murder
495
00:20:29,896 --> 00:20:31,565
and Harrison didn't
quite understand
496
00:20:31,565 --> 00:20:35,068
{\an8}that those dailies were
just a separate style.
497
00:20:35,193 --> 00:20:36,862
{\an8}Today, he would
get it like that.
498
00:20:37,154 --> 00:20:40,073
And so they brought
in Michael Chapman.
499
00:20:40,198 --> 00:20:42,576
A man with
his own particular vision,
500
00:20:42,576 --> 00:20:45,662
which he was keen to share
with his executive producer.
501
00:20:45,829 --> 00:20:48,915
Michael was a very crotchety
person to begin with.
502
00:20:49,082 --> 00:20:50,917
He would keep coming
up to Arnold every day
503
00:20:50,917 --> 00:20:53,086
and saying, "I hate being here."
504
00:20:53,336 --> 00:20:55,714
And Arnold would say,
"No, Michael, it's okay.
505
00:20:55,839 --> 00:20:57,048
It's gonna be okay."
506
00:20:57,549 --> 00:20:59,676
I didn't think he
liked Andy's style.
507
00:20:59,801 --> 00:21:01,303
{\an8}Everybody knows Andy
shoots a lot of film.
508
00:21:01,469 --> 00:21:03,722
So there was a
lot of frustration.
509
00:21:03,847 --> 00:21:05,223
And I think, you
know, it just happens.
510
00:21:05,223 --> 00:21:08,268
Sometimes things
don't go as planned.
511
00:21:08,268 --> 00:21:10,103
If that
sounds like a train wreck
512
00:21:10,103 --> 00:21:11,313
waiting to happen.
513
00:21:12,355 --> 00:21:15,734
You're right. That's exactly
what producers planned
514
00:21:15,734 --> 00:21:17,819
for a hero action set piece.
515
00:21:17,819 --> 00:21:19,279
Well, it had to
be in the beginning
516
00:21:19,279 --> 00:21:20,739
because of the beard
and the trial.
517
00:21:20,906 --> 00:21:22,282
The train wreck threatened
518
00:21:22,282 --> 00:21:24,868
to become just that
before they even started.
519
00:21:24,868 --> 00:21:26,745
{\an8}I got a call from Andy saying,
520
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:28,955
{\an8}"We can't find any of the
locations in southern Illinois."
521
00:21:28,955 --> 00:21:31,124
And I said, "You need to
go to North Carolina.
522
00:21:31,249 --> 00:21:33,210
You can wreck trains
and jump off dams
523
00:21:33,210 --> 00:21:34,628
and everything in
North Carolina."
524
00:21:34,628 --> 00:21:36,588
And so that's where they went.
525
00:21:36,713 --> 00:21:39,132
{\an8}North Carolina
gave "The Fugitive" a location,
526
00:21:39,132 --> 00:21:41,343
{\an8}but it fell to this
man to work out
527
00:21:41,343 --> 00:21:44,346
{\an8}how to make a real
train go off the rails
528
00:21:44,471 --> 00:21:46,890
without taking the
production with it.
529
00:21:46,890 --> 00:21:50,936
First car was going
to smash into the bus.
530
00:21:51,061 --> 00:21:53,730
And Andy thought, how
could that possibly happen?
531
00:21:53,855 --> 00:21:54,898
But
the only question
532
00:21:54,898 --> 00:21:56,399
William had to consider was--
533
00:21:56,399 --> 00:21:58,110
How are you gonna
make that work?
534
00:21:58,110 --> 00:22:00,237
The
answer, two numbers.
535
00:22:00,237 --> 00:22:02,656
13 cameras, one take.
536
00:22:02,781 --> 00:22:05,158
- That's it.
- They had one shot at it.
537
00:22:06,159 --> 00:22:08,995
We knew that we weren't
gonna have a motorized train,
538
00:22:08,995 --> 00:22:11,998
so we had to figure out
a hidden cable system
539
00:22:12,123 --> 00:22:14,334
that we could pull the
train and make it go
540
00:22:14,334 --> 00:22:16,753
and plow through all the dirt.
541
00:22:16,878 --> 00:22:19,965
It sure was
bigger than anyone expected...
542
00:22:19,965 --> 00:22:21,842
The train was going so fast.
543
00:22:21,842 --> 00:22:23,677
...by becoming
both the train wreck
544
00:22:23,677 --> 00:22:25,178
and a wrecking ball.
545
00:22:25,303 --> 00:22:26,930
So it went flying
all the way forward
546
00:22:27,055 --> 00:22:28,974
and hit the mound
547
00:22:30,350 --> 00:22:32,936
where our Vista
Vision camera was.
548
00:22:33,061 --> 00:22:34,980
The
shot was in the can.
549
00:22:36,398 --> 00:22:39,359
Now it was just a matter
of finding the can.
550
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,779
We spent most of the night
trying to dig out the camera
551
00:22:42,779 --> 00:22:46,074
so we could unload it and
get the film into the lab.
552
00:22:46,241 --> 00:22:48,702
As the film
that still had no ending
553
00:22:48,827 --> 00:22:51,121
rumbled on, the actors
filled in the blanks
554
00:22:51,121 --> 00:22:52,747
as they went along.
555
00:22:52,873 --> 00:22:54,875
I know for a fact
that the ad-lib line
556
00:22:54,875 --> 00:22:58,378
that really Tommy used
was the Peter Pan line
557
00:22:58,378 --> 00:23:00,672
when Harrison
jumped off the dam.
558
00:23:00,672 --> 00:23:02,174
The guy did a Peter Pan
559
00:23:02,174 --> 00:23:04,676
right here off of
this dam right here.
560
00:23:04,801 --> 00:23:06,178
Because I looked in the script
after that
561
00:23:06,303 --> 00:23:08,013
and I didn't see it.
562
00:23:08,138 --> 00:23:10,015
We were making that
stuff up every day.
563
00:23:10,015 --> 00:23:11,308
Poole, you gotta
get some new boots.
564
00:23:11,308 --> 00:23:13,143
I told you not
to wear the heels.
565
00:23:13,143 --> 00:23:15,729
And it was sprinkled
throughout the final cut.
566
00:23:15,854 --> 00:23:17,439
Well, think me up a cup
of coffee and a chocolate donut
567
00:23:17,564 --> 00:23:19,357
with some of those
little sprinkles on top.
568
00:23:19,357 --> 00:23:22,736
The best line that's
come up is, "I don't care."
569
00:23:22,903 --> 00:23:24,279
I don't care.
570
00:23:24,488 --> 00:23:26,198
I think Tommy
thought he made it up.
571
00:23:26,323 --> 00:23:28,784
I think Jeb Stuart
thought he made it up.
572
00:23:28,909 --> 00:23:30,994
And finally I said,
"Well here's one.
573
00:23:30,994 --> 00:23:33,788
This might not work, but
let's just try, 'I don't care.'"
574
00:23:33,914 --> 00:23:35,457
I don't care.
575
00:23:35,582 --> 00:23:39,252
And Andy said, "Cut.
We got it. That's perfect."
576
00:23:39,252 --> 00:23:42,297
They found an old, old
draft from Walter Hills,
577
00:23:43,215 --> 00:23:44,841
that had the line in it.
578
00:23:44,841 --> 00:23:47,010
Well, who
cares who dreamed it up?
579
00:23:47,135 --> 00:23:48,887
The line was in the movie.
580
00:23:48,887 --> 00:23:51,431
But all this ad-libbing
was keeping "The Fugitive"
581
00:23:51,431 --> 00:23:53,099
in a state of flux.
582
00:23:53,099 --> 00:23:55,852
Even the trailer for the
movie was more organized
583
00:23:55,852 --> 00:23:58,355
than the movie it was
promoting. In fact--
584
00:23:58,355 --> 00:24:00,357
{\an8}Before we were finished
making the movie,
585
00:24:00,357 --> 00:24:02,400
{\an8}they were shooting
a trailer for it.
586
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,486
Unlike the
feature film, the script
587
00:24:04,486 --> 00:24:07,239
for the trailer's main scene
was totally locked down.
588
00:24:07,364 --> 00:24:10,283
The "Listen up" speech, which
is kind of the famous speech.
589
00:24:10,408 --> 00:24:12,369
Listen up, ladies
and gentlemen.
590
00:24:12,369 --> 00:24:14,996
Even though it
wasn't actually in the movie.
591
00:24:15,122 --> 00:24:16,915
Well, somebody
at Warner Bros.
592
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,875
in the publicity department
found an old draft with it.
593
00:24:18,875 --> 00:24:20,836
I remember Tommy
was like, "Oh Christ."
594
00:24:20,836 --> 00:24:23,088
He didn't wanna do it.
He didn't like it.
595
00:24:23,088 --> 00:24:24,548
You know, when he did it,
he was commenting on it.
596
00:24:24,548 --> 00:24:26,550
I could tell he was pissed off.
597
00:24:26,550 --> 00:24:31,221
"Your fugitive
is Dr. Richard Kimble."
598
00:24:31,221 --> 00:24:35,141
Your fugitive's name
is Dr. Richard Kimble.
599
00:24:35,267 --> 00:24:38,478
And in a classic
chicken and egg moment,
this happened.
600
00:24:38,478 --> 00:24:41,064
One take, he just,
he just nailed it.
601
00:24:41,189 --> 00:24:43,233
And then they put
it in the movie.
602
00:24:43,233 --> 00:24:45,152
And it was great, by the way.
603
00:24:45,277 --> 00:24:46,820
Go get him.
604
00:24:46,820 --> 00:24:48,071
Even
the man who loved
605
00:24:48,071 --> 00:24:49,531
to be in control
wasn't getting off
606
00:24:49,531 --> 00:24:51,825
his marketing obligations
to the studio.
607
00:24:51,950 --> 00:24:53,910
He went off in the
woods with somebody
608
00:24:53,910 --> 00:24:55,954
to shoot him running through
the woods for the trailers,
609
00:24:55,954 --> 00:24:57,873
all part of that
same trailer stuff.
610
00:24:57,998 --> 00:25:00,834
The cart was most
definitely before the horse now,
611
00:25:00,959 --> 00:25:02,502
and it was about to crash.
612
00:25:03,545 --> 00:25:05,005
And he twisted his knee
613
00:25:05,005 --> 00:25:07,174
and he was in pain.
It was serious.
614
00:25:07,174 --> 00:25:09,050
While the movie
trailer for the movie
with no end
615
00:25:09,176 --> 00:25:13,096
was completed, having
maimed its leading actor...
616
00:25:13,096 --> 00:25:15,140
He actually had a limp
through the rest of the shoot.
617
00:25:15,265 --> 00:25:18,310
...Tommy Lee Jones
almost suffered a worse fate.
618
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:20,937
When this chopper scene
saw his foot crushed,
619
00:25:20,937 --> 00:25:22,272
nothing was going to plan.
620
00:25:22,272 --> 00:25:23,523
Tommy, he would say,
621
00:25:23,648 --> 00:25:25,025
{\an8}"Well, this is
such a shit-show,
622
00:25:25,025 --> 00:25:26,443
{\an8}we're never gonna work again."
623
00:25:26,568 --> 00:25:28,236
And how
is a movie with no end...
624
00:25:28,236 --> 00:25:31,531
I hadn't tied the end
of the pieces together.
625
00:25:31,531 --> 00:25:34,367
...possibly going
to end well for the cast.
626
00:25:34,367 --> 00:25:36,286
Tommy was like,
ain't nobody gonna win
627
00:25:36,286 --> 00:25:38,205
an Academy Award on this one.
628
00:25:38,330 --> 00:25:40,290
Not for the
first time in his career,
629
00:25:40,415 --> 00:25:42,375
Harrison Ford felt powerless
630
00:25:42,375 --> 00:25:46,171
to save what looked certain
to be a high profile flop.
631
00:25:46,171 --> 00:25:47,881
And I looked at Harrison
632
00:25:48,006 --> 00:25:49,382
and then he could tell
what I was thinking.
633
00:25:49,382 --> 00:25:51,176
And the
cost might be far greater
634
00:25:51,301 --> 00:25:53,345
than Warner's Box office losses.
635
00:25:53,345 --> 00:25:55,222
Well, you know, I had
a pretty good career.
636
00:25:55,347 --> 00:25:57,182
This is a career killer.
637
00:26:00,519 --> 00:26:02,187
The
production limping along,
638
00:26:02,312 --> 00:26:03,855
it,
639
00:26:03,855 --> 00:26:05,398
and its leading man limping,
640
00:26:05,398 --> 00:26:08,235
feeling his end was certain.
641
00:26:08,235 --> 00:26:11,029
"The Fugitive" moved to
Harrison Ford's hometown
642
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:12,489
for the rest of the shoot.
643
00:26:12,489 --> 00:26:14,866
Background just
came in from Chicago.
644
00:26:14,991 --> 00:26:17,202
And I've heard that
Harrison takes credit for it,
645
00:26:17,327 --> 00:26:18,912
which he should because
he's from Chicago.
646
00:26:18,912 --> 00:26:20,497
{\an8}And I remember when I
first flew to see him
647
00:26:20,497 --> 00:26:22,123
{\an8}in Jackson Hole, Wyoming,
I got off the plane
648
00:26:22,249 --> 00:26:23,875
{\an8}and he says, "We're
going to Chicago."
649
00:26:23,875 --> 00:26:26,086
Now on home
turf in the windy city,
650
00:26:26,086 --> 00:26:28,004
Harrison tried to take control
651
00:26:28,004 --> 00:26:29,840
of an out of control production,
652
00:26:29,965 --> 00:26:32,425
Son of a bitch,
our boy came home.
653
00:26:32,551 --> 00:26:34,344
And he
did so by letting go
654
00:26:34,469 --> 00:26:38,431
of the script in the film's
most improvised scene yet.
655
00:26:38,557 --> 00:26:41,017
The interrogation
scene was terrific.
656
00:26:41,017 --> 00:26:43,395
Andy had given
Harrison a perfect setting
657
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,981
to make the crucial
Kimble interrogation scene
658
00:26:45,981 --> 00:26:47,274
feel authentic.
659
00:26:47,274 --> 00:26:48,859
He had a real cop
660
00:26:48,984 --> 00:26:51,236
who had been in
three or four of my movies.
661
00:26:51,361 --> 00:26:54,322
He had a guy who had been put
in jail for shooting a cop
662
00:26:54,322 --> 00:26:57,075
and they were gonna
interrogate this rich doctor.
663
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,369
Did it happen
upstairs or downstairs?
664
00:26:59,369 --> 00:27:01,037
The
people were real.
665
00:27:01,163 --> 00:27:03,123
And so was the look of
genuine bewilderment
666
00:27:03,123 --> 00:27:04,958
on Harrison's face.
667
00:27:05,083 --> 00:27:06,877
I'm told that Harrison
didn't wanna know the line
668
00:27:06,877 --> 00:27:08,545
so he could just respond to it,
669
00:27:08,545 --> 00:27:10,589
which may have been
very smart on his part.
670
00:27:10,714 --> 00:27:11,923
Is she insured?
671
00:27:13,508 --> 00:27:14,551
Yes, she is.
672
00:27:14,551 --> 00:27:16,094
We had shot Harrison
673
00:27:16,261 --> 00:27:17,971
and he had
a 12-hour commitment
674
00:27:18,096 --> 00:27:19,973
or 10-hour commitment,
675
00:27:20,098 --> 00:27:22,100
he had to go back
to the hotel.
676
00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:26,229
Filming continued
in Harrison's absence, until--
677
00:27:26,229 --> 00:27:28,231
Harrison was in his
car ready to go home.
678
00:27:28,231 --> 00:27:30,025
And he heard that we
were still shooting.
679
00:27:30,025 --> 00:27:31,610
And he said, "What are they
doing? They can't shoot.
680
00:27:31,610 --> 00:27:33,278
I gotta go back and play
off screen to these guys."
681
00:27:33,278 --> 00:27:35,030
Coming back
to support his co-cast,
682
00:27:35,030 --> 00:27:37,199
Harrison instead went deeper.
683
00:27:37,199 --> 00:27:39,993
And I think that's
when the shot happened
684
00:27:40,118 --> 00:27:42,162
where he really broke down
685
00:27:42,287 --> 00:27:45,457
and the steady cam
moves in on him.
686
00:27:45,582 --> 00:27:47,042
How tall is he?
687
00:27:47,167 --> 00:27:50,003
He took everything from me.
Oh, Jesus.
688
00:27:50,003 --> 00:27:52,088
And he's,
you know, teary-eyed.
689
00:27:52,088 --> 00:27:53,632
So it was fate again
690
00:27:53,632 --> 00:27:55,258
that allowed that
to happen like that.
691
00:27:55,258 --> 00:27:56,635
While Harrison Ford
692
00:27:56,635 --> 00:27:58,553
was trying to save the movie
693
00:27:58,553 --> 00:28:00,347
with the sheer force
of his performance,
694
00:28:00,472 --> 00:28:03,016
the studio was trying to
save it by issuing edicts.
695
00:28:03,016 --> 00:28:04,684
Warner Bros.
sent an executive out
696
00:28:04,684 --> 00:28:08,271
{\an8}to fire me if I did not
put a love interest in.
697
00:28:08,271 --> 00:28:11,191
{\an8}I had made a pretty strong stand
698
00:28:11,316 --> 00:28:14,111
that they should
read the script.
699
00:28:14,236 --> 00:28:17,906
The man was convicted
of murdering his wife
700
00:28:17,906 --> 00:28:20,450
and he's returned to Chicago
701
00:28:20,450 --> 00:28:22,369
to prove that he
didn't kill his wife.
702
00:28:22,369 --> 00:28:24,704
And that's probably
not a good place
703
00:28:24,830 --> 00:28:26,456
to stick a love interest
704
00:28:26,581 --> 00:28:28,375
that you're just gonna
hop in bed over, okay?
705
00:28:28,375 --> 00:28:30,293
And they kept saying, yeah,
706
00:28:30,293 --> 00:28:31,711
but we've got Julianne Moore.
707
00:28:31,711 --> 00:28:34,297
Thanks, thank you very much.
708
00:28:34,297 --> 00:28:36,174
But Julianne Moore,
709
00:28:36,174 --> 00:28:38,552
the potential love interest,
was a very expensive
710
00:28:38,677 --> 00:28:41,555
square peg in the
story's round hole.
711
00:28:41,555 --> 00:28:43,348
As they were
rewriting the script,
712
00:28:43,348 --> 00:28:45,350
{\an8}they found that it was
just more of a burden.
713
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:49,980
{\an8}And also it became an issue
that Harrison had lost his wife.
714
00:28:49,980 --> 00:28:52,399
So the fact that he would
be having a love interest
715
00:28:52,524 --> 00:28:55,152
seemed a little insincere.
716
00:28:55,277 --> 00:28:57,112
Or to
put it another way--
717
00:28:57,237 --> 00:28:59,197
{\an8}Somewhat horrible,
if this guy starts,
718
00:28:59,197 --> 00:29:01,491
{\an8}you know, fucking the doctor.
719
00:29:01,491 --> 00:29:03,618
His wife has just been
murdered, it just--
720
00:29:04,786 --> 00:29:06,538
{\an8}How can you develop
a relationship
721
00:29:06,538 --> 00:29:09,499
{\an8}in the midst of, you know,
what we're doing here?
722
00:29:09,624 --> 00:29:11,543
Jeb
was holding firm.
723
00:29:11,668 --> 00:29:13,753
They could have
Julianne Moore in love
724
00:29:13,879 --> 00:29:16,756
or they could have him
on the project, not both.
725
00:29:16,756 --> 00:29:18,592
Next thing you know,
there's a knock on my door
726
00:29:18,717 --> 00:29:21,636
and an executive for
Warner Bros. says,
727
00:29:21,761 --> 00:29:24,055
"Unless you put the love
interest in, you're fired."
728
00:29:24,055 --> 00:29:25,348
And I said, "Go ahead
and fire me.
729
00:29:25,348 --> 00:29:27,100
But you should
walk down the hall
730
00:29:27,100 --> 00:29:29,019
and tell Harrison that
you've just fired me."
731
00:29:29,019 --> 00:29:30,520
Which they did.
732
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,105
And about 15 minutes
later, they walked back
733
00:29:32,105 --> 00:29:33,440
and said, "You're not fired.
734
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,609
Okay, we think it's
a terrible idea
735
00:29:35,609 --> 00:29:36,776
to put a love interest in."
736
00:29:36,902 --> 00:29:38,445
Who changed those orders?
737
00:29:38,445 --> 00:29:40,113
Good
news for Harrison Ford
738
00:29:40,113 --> 00:29:42,616
and his picture, bad
news for Julianne.
739
00:29:42,616 --> 00:29:44,618
Andy sat her down
740
00:29:44,743 --> 00:29:46,786
and just said, "You gotta
look at it the way it is."
741
00:29:46,786 --> 00:29:48,747
And after the film
was done, everybody said,
742
00:29:48,747 --> 00:29:51,041
you know, that would've been
on the cutting room floor.
743
00:29:51,166 --> 00:29:52,709
Those scenes, you
know, for sure.
744
00:29:52,709 --> 00:29:54,753
She was great. She was sweet.
745
00:29:54,753 --> 00:29:56,296
I'm sure she
was really disappointed.
746
00:29:56,296 --> 00:29:57,756
Probably still hates
me for this day.
747
00:29:57,756 --> 00:29:59,257
I'd like to go home now.
748
00:29:59,758 --> 00:30:01,676
Julianne's
role wasn't the only thing
749
00:30:01,802 --> 00:30:04,304
that needed to be
drastically cut back,
750
00:30:04,304 --> 00:30:07,182
following yet another
studio decree.
751
00:30:07,182 --> 00:30:10,393
I remember that famous
phone call. The studio said,
752
00:30:10,393 --> 00:30:12,437
"We are paying a lot of money
753
00:30:12,562 --> 00:30:15,607
for Harrison Ford's wonderful
face, his very handsome face."
754
00:30:15,607 --> 00:30:18,735
And Warner's
CEO felt Harrison's beard
755
00:30:18,735 --> 00:30:21,154
was stealing his
high-priced show.
756
00:30:21,154 --> 00:30:24,366
Bob Dailey said, "I don't
pay Harrison Ford this money
757
00:30:24,366 --> 00:30:26,660
not to see his clean face."
758
00:30:26,660 --> 00:30:29,329
He was, you know, an old
movie star, you know?
759
00:30:29,329 --> 00:30:30,664
Harrison's beard,
760
00:30:30,664 --> 00:30:31,832
part of his
character's disguise,
761
00:30:31,832 --> 00:30:33,750
suddenly had to go mid-shoot.
762
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:35,710
So what did producers do?
763
00:30:35,836 --> 00:30:37,629
But the timing
worked out fine.
764
00:30:37,754 --> 00:30:39,756
They just
made it part of the story.
765
00:30:39,756 --> 00:30:41,383
It was a good way for him
766
00:30:41,508 --> 00:30:43,343
not to look like the
Ha-bearded doctor.
767
00:30:43,885 --> 00:30:45,846
That scene, very
vivid in my mind
768
00:30:45,971 --> 00:30:48,598
when he's in the bathroom
cutting his, you know.
769
00:30:48,598 --> 00:30:50,308
That's a fantastic moment.
770
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:53,770
Harrison's
physical appearance
771
00:30:53,770 --> 00:30:55,647
could be changed quickly.
772
00:30:55,772 --> 00:30:59,109
But his physical well-being
remained a work in progress.
773
00:30:59,109 --> 00:31:01,278
Only there was little progress.
774
00:31:01,278 --> 00:31:04,114
Harrison blew out
his leg, his knee,
775
00:31:04,114 --> 00:31:05,782
doing a stairway stunt.
776
00:31:05,907 --> 00:31:07,159
Richard.
777
00:31:08,660 --> 00:31:10,537
Already
carrying an injury,
778
00:31:10,537 --> 00:31:14,332
Harrison had re-injured his
left knee. If not bleeding
779
00:31:14,332 --> 00:31:17,711
for his art, then
definitely aching for it.
780
00:31:17,836 --> 00:31:21,465
{\an8}It swelled up
like a cantaloupe.
781
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:24,676
The film that
famously starred a one-armed man
782
00:31:24,676 --> 00:31:27,554
was now at risk of
adding a one-legged lead.
783
00:31:27,679 --> 00:31:30,557
We didn't have anything
else booked to shoot that day.
784
00:31:30,557 --> 00:31:32,642
We'd shut down that whole area.
785
00:31:32,642 --> 00:31:35,478
So Harrison insisted
on finishing shooting
786
00:31:35,478 --> 00:31:39,524
with this horrendously
painful knee.
787
00:31:39,649 --> 00:31:41,651
That's a pro.
788
00:31:41,776 --> 00:31:44,196
I mean, if you look at it,
you could see him limping.
789
00:31:44,196 --> 00:31:47,532
There was enough bad
luck going around.
790
00:31:47,532 --> 00:31:49,201
But
Harrison's injury
791
00:31:49,326 --> 00:31:50,744
would be put into perspective
792
00:31:50,869 --> 00:31:53,747
when news broke of a
co-star's predicament.
793
00:31:53,747 --> 00:31:57,209
We had some
tragedies on that job.
794
00:31:57,209 --> 00:32:00,545
The guy that was
playing Dr. Nichols,
795
00:32:00,545 --> 00:32:04,758
the actor that was
playing had a brain tumor.
796
00:32:04,758 --> 00:32:07,677
Actor, Richard
Jordan, had suddenly fallen ill
797
00:32:07,677 --> 00:32:09,763
after shooting
for just one week.
798
00:32:09,888 --> 00:32:13,308
They discovered he had a
brain tumor and he had to leave.
799
00:32:13,308 --> 00:32:15,227
And it was like, whoa.
800
00:32:15,227 --> 00:32:17,229
A wonderful man and
a wonderful actor,
801
00:32:17,354 --> 00:32:20,774
unfortunately
required an operation.
802
00:32:20,899 --> 00:32:22,484
So he was sort of forced
803
00:32:22,484 --> 00:32:25,737
to relinquish his
role in the picture.
804
00:32:26,571 --> 00:32:29,491
They had already shot
all of Mr. Jordan's,
805
00:32:29,491 --> 00:32:32,744
God rest his soul,
all of his scenes.
806
00:32:32,869 --> 00:32:34,454
It was
time for Harrison
807
00:32:34,454 --> 00:32:36,790
to make a clutch play to
keep the film rolling.
808
00:32:36,790 --> 00:32:38,583
And it required a Hail Mary
809
00:32:38,708 --> 00:32:41,711
to a relatively unknown
actor in Europe.
810
00:32:41,837 --> 00:32:45,257
I said to Harrison,
"Where the fuck am I?"
811
00:32:48,635 --> 00:32:50,720
"The
Fugitive" had just lost
812
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,182
e leading antagonist
to poor health mid-shoot.
813
00:32:54,182 --> 00:32:55,684
Dr. Nichols, hi.
814
00:32:55,684 --> 00:32:58,270
They had already shot
all of Mr. Jordan's
815
00:32:58,395 --> 00:33:00,897
God rest his soul,
all of his scenes.
816
00:33:00,897 --> 00:33:02,941
Recasting
and reshooting
817
00:33:03,066 --> 00:33:04,860
had to happen almost
at the same time.
818
00:33:04,985 --> 00:33:07,571
You're getting
pretty desperate,
aren't you, Mr. Gerard?
819
00:33:07,571 --> 00:33:09,239
The
producers weren't grabbing
820
00:33:09,239 --> 00:33:11,533
the nearest actor.
Quite the opposite.
821
00:33:11,533 --> 00:33:13,535
{\an8}Because I have
such a nice face.
822
00:33:13,535 --> 00:33:15,245
{\an8}That's why they choose me.
823
00:33:15,245 --> 00:33:17,330
That face
belonged to Dutch actor,
824
00:33:17,456 --> 00:33:18,832
Jeroen Krabbé.
825
00:33:18,957 --> 00:33:21,543
Later on, I did hear
from Harrison Ford,
826
00:33:21,668 --> 00:33:24,754
that was his idea.
He'd seen my movies.
827
00:33:24,754 --> 00:33:26,756
Jeroen
was at home in Holland
828
00:33:26,756 --> 00:33:29,217
when he received his
biggest call up yet.
829
00:33:29,217 --> 00:33:30,760
I was in my bed
830
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,930
and I got a call from
my agent in Los Angeles
831
00:33:34,055 --> 00:33:35,515
at three o'clock at night.
832
00:33:36,892 --> 00:33:38,643
"Could you come to
Chicago tomorrow?"
833
00:33:38,768 --> 00:33:40,437
Excuse me?
834
00:33:40,437 --> 00:33:42,272
So it was only the flight.
835
00:33:42,272 --> 00:33:45,525
It was like, you know, eight
hours to learn my lines.
836
00:33:45,650 --> 00:33:48,570
Eight hours to read the script
to see what the character was
837
00:33:48,695 --> 00:33:50,614
and so on and so forth.
838
00:33:50,614 --> 00:33:52,866
Suddenly, Jeroen
found himself on a fast track
839
00:33:52,866 --> 00:33:54,743
few actors ever get to see.
840
00:33:54,868 --> 00:33:58,330
I went to wardrobe,
I got my costume.
841
00:33:58,455 --> 00:34:01,041
Then they brought me,
they brought me to the set
842
00:34:01,041 --> 00:34:04,669
and I met the director
and I met Harrison Ford.
843
00:34:04,795 --> 00:34:06,421
And said, "Okay, ready."
844
00:34:06,421 --> 00:34:09,424
There we go, and that
was my first scene.
845
00:34:09,591 --> 00:34:11,718
- Dollar, mister? Spare change?
- No, I don't want it.
846
00:34:11,843 --> 00:34:13,303
No, thank you very
much, I don't want it.
847
00:34:13,303 --> 00:34:14,888
No! i--
848
00:34:15,013 --> 00:34:16,389
Jeroen had
only just met his co-star,
849
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:18,308
but he already had a friend.
850
00:34:18,433 --> 00:34:21,728
I said to Harrison,
"Where the am I?
851
00:34:21,853 --> 00:34:23,647
What is this?
852
00:34:23,647 --> 00:34:24,898
And he said, "Don't worry."
853
00:34:24,898 --> 00:34:26,608
And he put his arm around me
854
00:34:26,608 --> 00:34:27,901
and he said, "I'm going
to help you, buddy."
855
00:34:27,901 --> 00:34:29,653
And he did, he did.
856
00:34:29,778 --> 00:34:32,989
And I'm very grateful
forever that he did.
857
00:34:32,989 --> 00:34:35,325
Following
a few hairy reshoots.
858
00:34:35,325 --> 00:34:39,830
In the beginning with
Harrison's fake beard,
859
00:34:39,830 --> 00:34:43,834
{\an8}was just that I gave
him back the car keys.
860
00:34:43,834 --> 00:34:45,502
Here, thanks for the loaner.
861
00:34:45,627 --> 00:34:47,337
The beard
had to make an encore,
862
00:34:47,462 --> 00:34:48,797
but this time it was fake.
863
00:34:48,922 --> 00:34:50,757
Some eagle eye
probably saying,
864
00:34:50,757 --> 00:34:54,511
"Wait a minute now, that
don't look the same."
865
00:34:54,511 --> 00:34:56,555
Harrison had to wear
a phony beard for that.
866
00:34:56,555 --> 00:34:59,099
I don't like the way it
looks, but we did it.
867
00:34:59,099 --> 00:35:00,767
But phony beards
868
00:35:00,892 --> 00:35:02,686
were not Andrew's
most pressing concern.
869
00:35:02,811 --> 00:35:05,522
Fugitive, they were writing
it constantly on the set.
870
00:35:05,647 --> 00:35:08,316
With shooting
set to wrap in just six weeks,
871
00:35:08,316 --> 00:35:11,611
"The Fugitive" still had
no end and no end in sight.
872
00:35:11,736 --> 00:35:13,530
So how are you,
what's going on?
873
00:35:13,655 --> 00:35:16,408
We had a production
meeting the next morning
874
00:35:16,408 --> 00:35:19,453
at eight o'clock and we
positively had to have
875
00:35:19,453 --> 00:35:21,705
the last 15 pages of the script.
876
00:35:21,830 --> 00:35:23,039
And by two o'clock
in the morning,
877
00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:25,375
I suddenly had this
horrible feeling
878
00:35:25,375 --> 00:35:27,544
that there wasn't an ending.
879
00:35:29,087 --> 00:35:32,466
I finally turned off the
computer, turned off the light
880
00:35:32,466 --> 00:35:34,593
and put my head down the pillow.
881
00:35:34,593 --> 00:35:37,429
And I thought, well this
is the end of my career.
882
00:35:37,554 --> 00:35:38,930
And maybe
it would've been,
883
00:35:38,930 --> 00:35:41,766
but for a genuine
light bulb moment.
884
00:35:41,892 --> 00:35:44,728
At exactly 3:05, I woke
up and turned on the light
885
00:35:44,728 --> 00:35:47,689
and it just was all there.
886
00:35:47,689 --> 00:35:49,608
You changed the
samples, didn't you, huh?
887
00:35:49,733 --> 00:35:51,902
And I sat down
and for the next three hours,
888
00:35:51,902 --> 00:35:54,029
typed up the last 15 pages.
889
00:35:54,029 --> 00:35:56,406
But were
those pages any good?
890
00:35:56,406 --> 00:35:58,909
Jeb did not have to
wait long for a verdict.
891
00:35:58,909 --> 00:36:00,994
Everybody sat
down and had coffee
892
00:36:00,994 --> 00:36:02,913
and were reading at the
table and they looked up
893
00:36:03,038 --> 00:36:04,790
and they said,
"Well this is great.
894
00:36:04,915 --> 00:36:06,750
What took so long to have this?"
895
00:36:06,750 --> 00:36:09,794
And no one really knew at
that point how close we came
896
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,880
to not having an ending at all.
897
00:36:12,589 --> 00:36:14,799
You know, I'm
glad, I need to rest.
898
00:36:17,636 --> 00:36:19,137
Warner Bros.,
Harrison,
899
00:36:19,262 --> 00:36:21,598
and director Andy Davis
all thought the final act
900
00:36:21,723 --> 00:36:24,559
was a knockout.
But not Tommy Lee.
901
00:36:24,684 --> 00:36:27,521
He was worried about
another knockout.
902
00:36:27,646 --> 00:36:31,983
Nichols was gonna knock
out Tommy Lee with the beam,
903
00:36:31,983 --> 00:36:33,693
and then Tommy was gonna wake up
904
00:36:33,693 --> 00:36:37,072
and somehow save
Harrison's character.
905
00:36:37,197 --> 00:36:40,742
And Tommy was like, "This is
it's not gonna work."
906
00:36:40,742 --> 00:36:42,452
But this time
907
00:36:42,452 --> 00:36:43,995
it was Joey's turn to
come to the rescue.
908
00:36:43,995 --> 00:36:45,705
{\an8}Hit me in the
head with the beam.
909
00:36:45,705 --> 00:36:47,707
{\an8}And the bad guy gets my gun.
910
00:36:47,707 --> 00:36:49,459
Tommy Lee Jones saves the day.
911
00:36:49,584 --> 00:36:51,086
It
was a great save.
912
00:36:51,211 --> 00:36:52,587
The script was revised,
913
00:36:52,712 --> 00:36:53,839
but when Joey read it.
914
00:36:53,964 --> 00:36:55,173
They're gonna kill me.
915
00:36:55,298 --> 00:36:57,008
He realized
916
00:36:57,008 --> 00:36:59,636
he'd signed his own
character's death warrant.
917
00:37:01,221 --> 00:37:03,014
So I go running
into Andy's trailer
918
00:37:03,140 --> 00:37:05,725
and I go, "Andy,
Andy. You can't kill me.
919
00:37:05,725 --> 00:37:07,102
What are you doing?
920
00:37:07,227 --> 00:37:08,812
You're killing me. What?
921
00:37:08,812 --> 00:37:10,438
And I see Harrison
Ford looking down at me
922
00:37:10,438 --> 00:37:15,068
and he's shaking his
head. And I go, "What?"
923
00:37:15,068 --> 00:37:17,154
And he goes,
"You should be dead."
924
00:37:17,279 --> 00:37:20,699
I said, "Because what
if there's a sequel?"
925
00:37:20,699 --> 00:37:23,702
And he looked at me for a
moment, and then he laughed.
926
00:37:23,869 --> 00:37:27,914
Then he smiled and he said,
"There's not gonna be a sequel."
927
00:37:27,914 --> 00:37:29,833
I said, "Why not?"
928
00:37:29,833 --> 00:37:32,502
He said, "Because I'm not doing
this piece of again."
929
00:37:32,502 --> 00:37:35,797
All right, it's all over
folks, let's just stay calm.
930
00:37:36,131 --> 00:37:38,216
As shooting
drew to a close,
931
00:37:38,216 --> 00:37:41,720
production raced to shoot
Jeb's newly scripted ending.
932
00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:43,972
Even though it took
months, writing an ending
933
00:37:44,097 --> 00:37:47,058
was still easier than
working out how to film it
934
00:37:47,184 --> 00:37:49,227
with only days left to shoot.
935
00:37:49,352 --> 00:37:50,770
The last scene in the Hilton,
936
00:37:50,896 --> 00:37:52,898
the big fight
and everything.
937
00:37:53,023 --> 00:37:56,526
That took like a week.
938
00:37:58,278 --> 00:37:59,946
And it was actually Harrison
939
00:38:00,572 --> 00:38:02,032
that set it all.
940
00:38:03,742 --> 00:38:07,204
To Harrison, it's a normal thing
to do, a fight. Not for me.
941
00:38:07,204 --> 00:38:10,749
And that's the way that
Harrison guided me through.
942
00:38:10,749 --> 00:38:12,709
Fighting
his antagonists
943
00:38:12,709 --> 00:38:15,253
and still fighting the
pain of his injuries,
944
00:38:15,253 --> 00:38:18,673
Harrison Ford had
survived a grueling shoot.
945
00:38:18,799 --> 00:38:20,717
But when principal
photography wrapped,
946
00:38:20,842 --> 00:38:24,679
no one knew if the same
could be said for his career.
947
00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:27,265
Pretty good career
up until here.
948
00:38:27,390 --> 00:38:29,267
Then this is a career killer.
949
00:38:29,392 --> 00:38:32,521
Good or bad, the
film finally had an ending.
950
00:38:32,646 --> 00:38:34,898
Or so everyone thought.
951
00:38:35,315 --> 00:38:37,067
{\an8}Dennis Virkler,
952
00:38:37,067 --> 00:38:38,693
{\an8}who was the main
editor on the show,
953
00:38:38,902 --> 00:38:40,529
{\an8}realized that there
was a lot of shots
954
00:38:40,654 --> 00:38:42,489
that they did not get.
955
00:38:42,489 --> 00:38:44,116
It was now mid-May
956
00:38:44,116 --> 00:38:46,701
and with less than three
months to complete the picture,
957
00:38:46,827 --> 00:38:49,037
Harrison's work was
by no means done.
958
00:38:49,162 --> 00:38:51,665
If Harrison says he
wants to come to dailies,
you don't say no.
959
00:38:51,665 --> 00:38:55,335
{\an8}It was horrendously difficult
for us in post-production.
960
00:38:59,339 --> 00:39:01,758
As the movie
that didn't even have an end
961
00:39:01,883 --> 00:39:04,511
untithe end
headed into post...
962
00:39:06,805 --> 00:39:09,307
...it was suddenly the beginning
that was the problem.
963
00:39:10,642 --> 00:39:12,602
{\an8}Our fugitive
was not a fugitive
964
00:39:12,602 --> 00:39:14,187
{\an8}for the first 25
minutes of the movie.
965
00:39:14,187 --> 00:39:16,064
We're reporting to you live
966
00:39:16,064 --> 00:39:18,150
from the near North side
home of Dr. Richard Kimble.
967
00:39:18,275 --> 00:39:22,195
{\an8}We all knew that it was
good, but it took too long.
968
00:39:22,446 --> 00:39:24,531
A
rough cut revealed
969
00:39:24,531 --> 00:39:27,117
they really needed to get
the show on the road quickly.
970
00:39:27,117 --> 00:39:29,953
The biggest thing was
trying to get him on the run.
971
00:39:29,953 --> 00:39:32,330
We had to find
another approach.
972
00:39:32,747 --> 00:39:35,250
Just as Jeb had plucked
an ending out of thin air
973
00:39:35,375 --> 00:39:38,003
at the last minute, it was
going to take an editor
974
00:39:38,128 --> 00:39:40,046
to do the same at the beginning.
975
00:39:40,046 --> 00:39:43,049
Dennis was a really,
really smart, good editor.
976
00:39:43,175 --> 00:39:44,885
Dennis was one
977
00:39:44,885 --> 00:39:47,262
of six film editors
whose job was made harder
978
00:39:47,262 --> 00:39:49,806
when "The Fugitive" became
the first studio feature
979
00:39:49,931 --> 00:39:52,017
to employ digital editing.
980
00:39:52,017 --> 00:39:54,728
And a lot of people were
terribly suspicious of it.
981
00:39:54,853 --> 00:39:56,146
But not Dennis,
982
00:39:56,271 --> 00:39:58,064
who mastered the Avid
software well enough
983
00:39:58,064 --> 00:40:01,902
to pull a rabbit out of
a hat in just 48 hours.
984
00:40:02,027 --> 00:40:03,820
{\an8}He took it one Saturday
985
00:40:03,945 --> 00:40:06,698
{\an8}and he came back with this
incredibly intercut opening,
986
00:40:07,324 --> 00:40:08,700
and it just worked.
987
00:40:10,327 --> 00:40:12,662
With the
film in the can and cut,
988
00:40:12,788 --> 00:40:15,582
the real test was
about to begin.
989
00:40:17,959 --> 00:40:20,754
I remember when
Andy invited me
990
00:40:20,754 --> 00:40:23,215
to an early screening of it.
991
00:40:23,215 --> 00:40:25,091
The cast believed
992
00:40:25,217 --> 00:40:27,010
it was most likely
career oblivion.
993
00:40:27,135 --> 00:40:29,846
{\an8}And I was so
nervous, I couldn't go.
994
00:40:29,846 --> 00:40:33,183
{\an8}My wife Nancy went
and then she came home
995
00:40:33,183 --> 00:40:34,267
and she said it's really good.
996
00:40:34,267 --> 00:40:37,771
And I said, come on.
997
00:40:37,896 --> 00:40:39,314
{\an8}Harrison got on the phone.
998
00:40:39,439 --> 00:40:42,859
{\an8}And he said to me, "Yeah,
we're gonna work again."
999
00:40:44,236 --> 00:40:45,946
He said it was
really, really good.
1000
00:40:46,071 --> 00:40:47,989
Test
audiences agreed.
1001
00:40:47,989 --> 00:40:50,700
It got the highest numbers
of any Warner Bros. show
1002
00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:52,285
that had ever been tested.
1003
00:40:52,285 --> 00:40:55,747
It was 98% very
good and excellent.
1004
00:40:55,747 --> 00:40:57,082
First time Harrison saw it,
1005
00:40:57,207 --> 00:40:58,792
he leaned over and kissed me.
1006
00:40:58,792 --> 00:41:01,795
I got a call from Harrison.
1007
00:41:01,795 --> 00:41:03,672
"And I have to say one thing,
1008
00:41:03,672 --> 00:41:06,925
{\an8}you made the movie.
Thank you for that."
1009
00:41:08,468 --> 00:41:11,012
{\an8}And then I fainted,
I was on the floor.
1010
00:41:11,638 --> 00:41:13,640
The buzz
around "The Fugitive"
1011
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,226
was building fast, and
when the movie premiered
1012
00:41:16,226 --> 00:41:20,730
in July of 1993, it seemed
everyone wanted to see it.
1013
00:41:20,730 --> 00:41:22,858
Everyone, except for one person.
1014
00:41:22,983 --> 00:41:25,152
{\an8}I haven't seen the film.
1015
00:41:25,902 --> 00:41:28,405
I can't stand to
watch myself on film.
1016
00:41:28,405 --> 00:41:29,948
What?
1017
00:41:29,948 --> 00:41:32,742
But I hear it's
pretty terrific.
1018
00:41:32,742 --> 00:41:36,163
It got seven Academy
Award nominations.
1019
00:41:36,163 --> 00:41:38,331
The film
that for the longest time
1020
00:41:38,457 --> 00:41:41,376
had no ending, was about
to have the perfect ending
1021
00:41:41,376 --> 00:41:43,086
for one man.
1022
00:41:43,086 --> 00:41:44,754
Tommy was like,
ain't nobody gonna win
1023
00:41:44,754 --> 00:41:46,882
an Academy Award on this one.
1024
00:41:46,882 --> 00:41:50,427
The Oscar goes to Tommy
Lee Jones in "The Fugitive."
1025
00:41:52,262 --> 00:41:53,847
{\an8}Tommy deserved that.
1026
00:41:53,847 --> 00:41:56,266
He was really
the glue on that movie.
1027
00:41:56,266 --> 00:41:58,059
Warner Bros.
had a critical
1028
00:41:58,185 --> 00:41:59,978
and commercial smash,
1029
00:41:59,978 --> 00:42:02,272
the best performing
picture in years.
1030
00:42:02,272 --> 00:42:04,816
It was just about as great
1031
00:42:04,816 --> 00:42:06,860
as it ever gets in
the movie business.
1032
00:42:06,985 --> 00:42:08,153
And it seemed
Joey Pants
1033
00:42:08,278 --> 00:42:09,863
had been
right all along,
1034
00:42:09,863 --> 00:42:11,323
just like he told Harrison.
1035
00:42:11,448 --> 00:42:13,200
"There's not gonna be a sequel."
1036
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,410
And I looked at him
and I said, "Oh yeah?
1037
00:42:15,410 --> 00:42:18,371
you! We'll just chase
some other $20 million asshole
1038
00:42:18,371 --> 00:42:20,040
through the woods.
1039
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,710
Joey Pants
got his sequel in 1998.
1040
00:42:23,710 --> 00:42:26,004
"US Marshals" was released.
1041
00:42:26,129 --> 00:42:28,298
US Marshall Renfro.
Listen, we're gonna need both.
1042
00:42:28,298 --> 00:42:31,343
And the $20
million actor they were chasing
1043
00:42:31,343 --> 00:42:32,886
was Wesley Snipes.
1044
00:42:32,886 --> 00:42:34,888
I'll take the gun.
1045
00:42:35,013 --> 00:42:37,808
"The Fugitive"
would ultimately run away
1046
00:42:37,808 --> 00:42:42,187
with nearly $370 million
in Global Box office
1047
00:42:42,187 --> 00:42:45,315
from a budget of
just 44 million.
1048
00:42:45,315 --> 00:42:47,275
We had everything
going for us.
1049
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,903
We had the biggest movie star
who was a hero in the movie,
1050
00:42:49,903 --> 00:42:51,822
who hadn't been able to play
1051
00:42:51,822 --> 00:42:54,032
a kind of realistic character
like this for a while.
1052
00:42:54,157 --> 00:42:55,325
Oh, you know, there's
movies out there
1053
00:42:55,325 --> 00:42:56,993
people still talk
about, you know,
1054
00:42:57,118 --> 00:42:58,995
and I'm glad that
"Fugitive" is one of them.
1055
00:42:58,995 --> 00:43:02,749
Harrison Ford
had become a box office titan.
1056
00:43:02,874 --> 00:43:06,503
In fact, there was really only
one role left to ascend to.
1057
00:43:06,503 --> 00:43:07,879
All right, Mr. President.
1058
00:43:07,879 --> 00:43:09,881
I had this crazy idea.
1059
00:43:10,006 --> 00:43:12,342
{\an8}The president as an action hero.
1060
00:43:12,342 --> 00:43:15,095
So who better to
play the Commander in Chief?
1061
00:43:15,095 --> 00:43:17,264
I'm on the phone
with Kevin Costner.
1062
00:43:17,264 --> 00:43:19,850
In a film
called "Air Force One..."
1063
00:43:19,850 --> 00:43:23,103
Here comes Harrison, taxis
right up by Air Force One.
1064
00:43:23,103 --> 00:43:26,106
...that could easily
turn into Air Force Dumb.
1065
00:43:26,106 --> 00:43:29,234
I said, Harrison, this
is gonna break the bank.
1066
00:43:29,359 --> 00:43:31,027
Sir, time to go.
1067
00:43:31,027 --> 00:43:32,904
I am certain it's
not gonna work.
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