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(ominous instrumental music)
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- This house was vacant.
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It had trees and weeds that
just covered the house,
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and you couldn't, you could barely see it.
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And I just saw it and went in my head,
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that's a beautiful, beautiful home.
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Why did they let it go like that?
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So, I had a friend who was a realtor
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look into who owned
it, if it was for sale.
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And a couple weeks after that,
she got back to me and said,
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"It's vacant.
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"The bank owns it.
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"It's gonna go up for auction.
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"I'll let you know."
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And we put the offer in that day.
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- [Steve] From what I understand,
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the condition of the
home was pretty rough.
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You guys.
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- [Stephanie] It was.
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It was very bad.
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Yeah, when we bought the house, gosh,
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we had to replace probably
90% of the windows.
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We had to put a new roof on.
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There was three feet of water
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in the basement when we bought it.
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- [Steve] Wow.
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- There was no plumbing.
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There were no light fixtures.
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A couple bath tubs missing.
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They were the cast iron.
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- Yeah, clawfoot.
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- Clawfoot tubs.
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They were missing.
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It was just discarded, kind
of, it was kind of sad.
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- It was my wife's idea,
Stephanie, to acquire the house.
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I was more inclined, at the time
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with where the economy
was and opportunities
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in the township to acquire beautiful homes
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for basically half price
because of what was happening
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in the real estate market.
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But I was overruled 'cause she had this
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ambition of taking on
a project of this type
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and spearheading a renovation.
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And with the help of some
family members and such,
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turning it into a home that
she thought we'd enjoy.
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So, we decided to buy the
property, and the rest is history.
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- [Steve] So, you guys get into the house,
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and you start to rehab and start
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to gut it and all that stuff.
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When did you realize, for the first time,
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that something wasn't quite right?
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- We heard somebody
walking around upstairs
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and walking down the stairs,
and it wasn't just me.
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- I was about 13 or 14
when we finally moved in
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'cause it took a long
time to redo this house.
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And I did hear a lot of things like,
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and I saw things in the corner of my eye.
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And I would see shadows.
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Like, they were always like
by the windows and stuff,
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and that happened a lot.
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Like, you always felt like there's
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something or someone with you.
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- I can feel people like
watching me sometimes,
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just randomly when I'm
doing something, anything.
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Sometimes I hear keys playin' on the piano
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like in the higher section
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and when I'm just in my
room doing something.
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And I can sometimes hear
footsteps around the house.
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- I've experienced that myself,
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where I'd be sitting in the family room,
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which is the room below my office here,
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and the dog, Hector, would
start barking at a wall.
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There have been instances where the cats
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would park themselves in
front of the stairwell
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leading up to my office and
just stare up the stairwell
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and maybe start to hiss a little bit.
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So, those are the types of
things I've experienced.
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- It was weird from the start, you know.
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It always just felt weird in here.
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Even though my brother
and I had different rooms,
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we'd share, end up
sharin' a bed every night
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'cause it, we'd get freaked out.
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I did get banging on
this door all the time.
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I go out this door over here.
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Around like 75% of the
time, every night I'd,
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you know, most of the nights I'd hear just
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(door rattling)
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goin' like this, and
I kinda got used to it
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'cause, you know, it didn't really.
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Nothing really bad was like happening.
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But it still like freaked
me out every night,
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and I'd wake up to it,
and it'd freak me out.
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- Now, when you say 75% of the time,
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I mean, you're saying almost every night
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that you slept in here something
would rattle that door.
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- Yeah, all the time.
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I moved out to my own house when I was 17
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because I didn't like living here.
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- So, it literally drove
you out of the house.
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- Yeah.
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- 2 a.m., I'd be the only person up
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coming downstairs goin' to
the kitchen to make some food,
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and I'd start hearing
the piano start to play.
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And it wasn't like they
were playing actual
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songs or anything.
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It was just note after note,
not in any specific order.
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And I don't know how that
exactly was happening,
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but I could clearly see none
of the keys were moving.
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- The first thing we really
noticed that was significant
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when we moved in was when my daughter,
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who was three, four at the time,
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got hysterical because there
was some little boy in my room
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that was looking out the window,
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and he didn't have any
feet, is what she said.
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- [Steve] Do you recall the first
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paranormal experience that
you had in this house?
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- Um, the first paranormal experience
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was when my sister was babysitting me,
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and I was upstairs in my parents' room.
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And I walked in there,
and I saw a little boy.
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He was looking out the window,
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and then he turned towards me.
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And then, he just disappeared.
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- And he definitely looked at you?
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He was making it clear
that he could see you?
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- [Sabina] Yes.
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- [Steve] How did you respond to that?
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- Um, I screamed and just started running.
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- I would've too.
(Sabina laughing)
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Why do you think the activity seems
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to really center around your daughter?
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That whatever's in this
house gravitates to her,
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and I guess children in general?
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- I believe there's a child here.
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They both have seen a child.
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I think it's attracted to,
they're children, they're fun.
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And they're innocent,
and they can see him.
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- That's when we decided, we probably,
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it probably wasn't a very good idea,
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but we actually printed
off the ouiji board
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just on a piece of paper.
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And we used, I had a
ring that I used to wear,
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and we just put a string on it.
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And then, we asked a couple of questions.
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We're like, "Is there anybody there?"
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And, "Can you talk to us?"
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And they said, we got a "yes."
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We got, "yes," after a couple minutes.
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And then, I asked them
to spell their name.
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Asked, "What, who, what's your name?"
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And it spelled out V-I-C.
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My mom looked it up.
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And she actually found
out that a little boy
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named Victor died in this
house at six years old.
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And so, then everything sort
of, kind of makes sense.
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- Um, so, you know the
Charlie, Charlie thing
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where, like, you ask Charlie questions,
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and it'd say yes or no?
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- You know, actually, your brother
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was tellin' me about that.
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I've never heard of that.
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So, tell me what that is.
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- Um, okay, so you get a piece of paper,
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and then you draw, like,
basically like an X on it.
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And on the X you write two
no's, and you write two yes's.
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Then, you stack two pencils
on top of each other,
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like laying down so it makes an X.
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And then, you would ask yes
or no questions to Charlie,
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and it'd either respond with yes or no
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by moving the pencils back and forth.
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- And this actually worked?
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- Well, we said, "Victor,
Victor, are you here?"
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and then, we would ask it a question,
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and, yeah, it actually worked.
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- It was literally moving
whenever we asked it a question.
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And then, we asked if
there was more than one
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ghost in here, and it moved to yes.
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And then, it said, my mom asked it,
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"Are you here to hurt us?"
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And it kinda like went to no for a second,
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and then, boom, and it was on yes.
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My mom told me to go outside and burn it.
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- There's something here
that's not mean-spirited,
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and I feel like there's
something here that is.
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One night, almost two
o'clock in the morning,
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our alarm system goes
off, and my eldest son,
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you know, has a friend over.
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We have a refrigerator that
has snacks in it in the garage,
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and I'm going, I'm assuming that, okay,
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he's going to the garage to get snacks.
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And he didn't think to turn the alarm off
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before he went out there.
(suspenseful music)
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- I got out here to see what's goin' on.
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I grab a crutch.
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Me and my friend Ricky each grab a crutch
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'cause we don't know what's goin' on.
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The alarm system's goin' off.
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My mom meets me right here at the door.
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She's like, "What are you guys doin'?
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"Why do you guys have
crutches in your hand?"
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And we're like, "Well, we
heard crying a little bit ago,
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"and now there's a big bang.
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"The alarm system's goin' off."
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- So, you guys grabbed the
crutches as like weapons?
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- Yes, 'cause we didn't know if somebody
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had broken into the house or anything.
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So, we come out here, and I'm like,
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"Where's Sabina at?"
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- He's confused.
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His friend comes out behind him.
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They're confused, and then all of a sudden
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he looks at me, and he
said, "Where's Sabina?"
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And, you know, the alarm's
going off, and it's loud.
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She should be awake, and
she should be there with us.
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And so I go, and I run across to her room.
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And I pull the bed curtains
back, and she is not there.
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It's like I'm living
in a horror movie now.
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- And she screams.
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She lets out this blood-curdling scream.
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So, I'm, I'm thinkin' the worst.
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I'm thinkin' Sabina's like dead in there,
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or like she's kidnapped or somethin'.
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So, I go into the room.
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I'm lookin' for Sabina.
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We go up into the room.
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And, you know, we're lookin' for Sabina,
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and I look out this
window that's right here.
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- And then, I hear her scream
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like blood-curdling
scream, and she's outside.
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I don't know how I got
from her room to the door.
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Actually, I broke the
screen tryin' to open it.
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It's mid-July, and she is
maybe 10 feet from the road.
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- So, she got outside without
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even being traced by the alarm.
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And when my mom came in here and screamed,
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it still gives me goose bumps,
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like thinkin' about her scream.
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I never heard my mom scream like that.
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I ran outside as fast as I could.
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I was doin' laps around
the house with a crutch
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tryin' to see if there was somebody here.
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And, you know, we didn't,
Sabina wasn't really like.
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She didn't really know what was goin' on.
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- I scream out her name, and like that
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she like turns around
and then is just bawling.
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And comes up onto the
deck, and I pick her up.
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And she is like ice.
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I mean, her skin, she is so cold.
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And this is mid-July.
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I mean, we don't have air
conditioning in this place.
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And for her to feel like ice scared me.
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I mean, I was, not only she's
outside two in the morning,
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she's nine years old.
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What the heck is she doin' out there?
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And had my son not even
said, "Where is she?"
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how long would I have noticed?
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10, 20, 30 seconds before
I would have checked.
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She would've been in the road.
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- [Sabina] That's weird that like I
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knew perfectly what to do,
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how to go do everything, unlock doors.
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I, like, felt somebody
was like there with me
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guiding me through the whole thing.
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I was like being possessed kind of.
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- What do you do?
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I mean, we're sleeping in
the middle of the night,
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and she's not safe.
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You think you're safe.
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We have an alarm to keep you safe.
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And you're not safe from
what's in the house,
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and that's terrifying.
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(intense ominous music)
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I've only caught video of anything
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in this house just the once.
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I was upstairs making the
bed, doin' the normal routines
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that I always do, and I heard
some really strange noises.
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I couldn't figure out
what the heck it was,
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and so I decided to just start recording
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what I was hearing and
what I was picking up.
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The first one, this was probably
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five, six minutes after I
started hearing something.
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I decided to start recording.
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(banging sound)
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- [Steve] You can see the chandelier
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flickering right there
with that sound too.
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(banging sound)
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- And you can hear there's
some really loud banging sound,
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and like a door's opening.
(door creaking)
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- [Steve] Wow.
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- That's the door that opened.
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(banging sound)
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And the banging is actually on that door
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that you're hearing now.
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(banging sound)
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And you can kinda tell
when it's in the hall,
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and then when it's on the door.
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This went on for at least two hours.
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(knocking sound)
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(door slamming)
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And then, the door finally closes.
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- [Steve] Wow.
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That just completely shuts on its own.
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- Yeah, and then the light
goes on in this room,
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and it kinda looks like someone's walking
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in front of the door.
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So, that was, at some point I'm going,
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is there actually somebody in my house
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that I'm not aware of?
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- [Steve] Right there, you can totally see
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that something blocks out the light.
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And now, you can see the light again.
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- [Stephanie] Right.
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- [Steve] I mean, yeah,
you can totally see that.
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I mean, something is
moving under the door.
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It's interfering with the light.
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(banging sound)
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- Then, it started banging on that door.
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So, it went from the door that opened
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and closed to the bathroom.
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- [Steve] That's incredible.
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(banging sound)
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(banging sound)
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- So, I can't explain that one.
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And this was the last one.
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After I came out, I decided
to turn on the light
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to see if I could see anything.
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And I just figured I'd continue recording.
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(banging sound)
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And this one is where I
finally decided I had enough
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because you can hear somebody
walking across the floor.
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(floorboards creaking)
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(door creaking open)
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(knocking sound)
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And so, after that I decided I had enough,
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and I needed to go somewhere else
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for the rest of the day
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until I picked my kids up from school.
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(eerie music)
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- Man, that was an incredible
amount of information.
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I feel so bad for that little girl Sabina,
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for the whole family, for that matter.
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It's amazing that Stephanie actually
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caught cell phone video
evidence to show us.
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I mean, we all know what a rarity that is
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where the homeowner actually captures
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something on video to show us.
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And that video was amazing.
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I mean, you could hear those footsteps
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going right in front
of her down the hallway
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approaching Sabina's
room, opening the door.
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I just can't believe
Stephanie actually went
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into the room after it and the bathroom.
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She's definitely got a
lot of guts, you know?
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Being home alone like that, and kinda
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chasin' the thing around the house.
356
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This case is definitely
a lot more imminent
357
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than I had originally thought.
358
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(cell phone ringing)
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00:17:11,579 --> 00:17:13,279
It's actually Stephanie right now.
360
00:17:14,930 --> 00:17:15,763
Hey, Stephanie.
361
00:17:17,630 --> 00:17:19,053
Good, good, everything okay?
362
00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:22,233
Ah, yeah, yeah.
363
00:17:25,120 --> 00:17:26,490
Do you mind if I put this on speaker?
364
00:17:26,490 --> 00:17:28,790
We're actually documenting
in the car right now,
365
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and I, is it okay if I
put you on speakerphone?
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00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:33,153
Okay.
367
00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,059
Stephanie, you there?
368
00:17:38,059 --> 00:17:38,892
- [Stephanie] Yeah.
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- Okay.
- Can you hear me?
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00:17:39,725 --> 00:17:40,944
- Yeah, I can hear you.
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00:17:40,944 --> 00:17:42,365
- [Stephanie] Oh, okay, yeah.
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Yeah, the reason I was calling
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because I know that when
we were talking earlier,
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there was something I was kind
of hesitant to talk about.
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I'm not sure how relevant it would be,
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but I guess I was thinkin' about it
377
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and sayin' it's probably something
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that you might need to know.
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So, if you had a minute yet, I'd like
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to just tell you about
another, I guess, issue we had
381
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when we were renovating
the outside of the house.
382
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When we were trying to level our land here
383
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slowly because there were a
lot of holes and low spots,
384
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and we were getting a lot of water.
385
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So, we brought someone in with a Bobcat,
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and we were, you know,
taking the high spots
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and pushing them into the low spots.
388
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Only when we're doing that, we uncovered
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a large stone slab that was
buried under the ground.
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- Okay.
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- [Stephanie] And, um, you know,
we didn't think much of it,
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and we broke the stone
slab up and moved it.
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And underneath that, we
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found a few bones that seemed
to be of the human nature.
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And a partial insole of a shoe
396
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and a couple things that just didn't seem
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00:19:04,739 --> 00:19:07,814
like they were animal
bones, you know what I mean?
398
00:19:07,814 --> 00:19:09,877
- Yeah, yeah, I definitely.
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00:19:09,877 --> 00:19:11,443
What'd you guys do with the,
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with the remains, with the bones?
401
00:19:14,410 --> 00:19:15,580
- [Stephanie] You know, at the time,
402
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we just kind of, you know what,
403
00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,887
this looks like it maybe should be
404
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a spot we just don't touch.
405
00:19:24,650 --> 00:19:27,880
We put it back in the ground
and buried everything back up.
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The biggest bone that we found
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that was more of an indicator of human,
408
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we found like a finger bone.
409
00:19:34,290 --> 00:19:37,530
And, you know, it, animals are
shaped, I know, differently
410
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because they walk on all fours.
411
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This was clearly not an animal bone.
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- And you said there was like
a large cement slab that.
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- [Stephanie] It was not cement.
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It was stone.
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00:19:47,420 --> 00:19:48,400
- Stone, okay, yeah.
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00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,410
So, definitely again another indicator
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of how old that, that grave would be.
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00:19:52,860 --> 00:19:53,940
Makes you wonder if it was an old
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family cemetery on the property or?
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00:19:57,230 --> 00:19:58,063
- [Stephanie] Yeah, I know.
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00:19:58,063 --> 00:19:59,552
Given the age of the house, you know,
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we thought about, at
the time did they just
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bury grandma and grandpa in the backyard?
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00:20:05,410 --> 00:20:07,540
- Kinda makes you wonder if that's,
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00:20:07,540 --> 00:20:09,910
I mean, did you notice
any change in activity
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00:20:09,910 --> 00:20:12,749
after you guys found those bones?
427
00:20:12,749 --> 00:20:14,110
- [Stephanie] (sighing) You know, I can't
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00:20:14,110 --> 00:20:16,209
say that we did or didn't
because when we found that
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00:20:16,209 --> 00:20:20,170
we had, we weren't quite
living in the house yet.
430
00:20:20,170 --> 00:20:21,170
- Okay.
431
00:20:21,170 --> 00:20:23,140
- [Stephanie] We were still renovating.
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It was before we moved in.
433
00:20:24,900 --> 00:20:27,330
- Alright, so, it may or may
not have contributed to that.
434
00:20:27,330 --> 00:20:28,450
Wow.
435
00:20:28,450 --> 00:20:29,870
- [Stephanie] Right.
436
00:20:29,870 --> 00:20:32,210
But, yeah, I don't know how
significant that really is,
437
00:20:32,210 --> 00:20:34,797
but I just thought that
you probably should know.
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- Did you guys call the authorities
439
00:20:36,270 --> 00:20:37,809
when you located the bones?
440
00:20:37,809 --> 00:20:39,670
- [Stephanie] We did not
because we just said,
441
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okay, we found 'em.
442
00:20:40,503 --> 00:20:41,336
We'll bury 'em.
443
00:20:41,336 --> 00:20:43,290
We'll just pretend like it didn't happen.
444
00:20:43,290 --> 00:20:45,640
- Wow, that really makes me wonder
445
00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,760
if that could be the contribution
446
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,600
of this other thing that's in your house
447
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,913
obviously besides the
child spirit, Victor.
448
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:56,610
- [Stephanie] Right.
449
00:20:56,610 --> 00:20:58,370
I mean, they could be.
450
00:20:58,370 --> 00:20:59,343
I'm just not sure.
451
00:21:00,980 --> 00:21:02,755
But, yeah, it's definitely something I,
452
00:21:02,755 --> 00:21:05,350
after thinking about it, I
thought you should probably know.
453
00:21:05,350 --> 00:21:06,410
- Okay, definitely.
454
00:21:06,410 --> 00:21:07,710
We'll, we'll have to, you know,
455
00:21:07,710 --> 00:21:09,380
we'll factor that in to the research,
456
00:21:09,380 --> 00:21:13,143
and we'll get over there
as soon as we possibly can.
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00:21:13,143 --> 00:21:13,976
- [Stephanie] Alright.
458
00:21:13,976 --> 00:21:14,929
- Okay.
459
00:21:14,929 --> 00:21:15,780
All right, well, thanks
for lettin' me know.
460
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And, again, if you can think
of anything else at all
461
00:21:18,670 --> 00:21:20,770
or any more details about
the bones in the yard,
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00:21:20,770 --> 00:21:22,380
feel free to call me or text me, okay?
463
00:21:22,380 --> 00:21:23,980
- [Stephanie] Alright, absolutely.
464
00:21:23,980 --> 00:21:24,970
- Okay.
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00:21:24,970 --> 00:21:25,803
- [Stephanie] You have a good night.
466
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- Alright, you too.
467
00:21:26,636 --> 00:21:27,469
- [Stephanie] Bye bye.
468
00:21:27,469 --> 00:21:28,302
- Bye.
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00:21:28,302 --> 00:21:29,135
(cell phone beeping)
470
00:21:29,135 --> 00:21:31,910
Wow, I mean, literally we're right
471
00:21:31,910 --> 00:21:33,900
in the middle of talking about how chaotic
472
00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:38,900
and crazy this case is, and
then she calls and says that.
473
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,610
I mean, to me, there's no question
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that finding those bones,
a body in the yard,
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and then, for all we know
there could be multiple bodies.
476
00:21:46,490 --> 00:21:49,370
You know, maybe that's an
old cemetery, who knows?
477
00:21:49,370 --> 00:21:51,120
Tomorrow's gonna be the first day.
478
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Bring in T.D. McRoy.
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Start to get that footage
for the Iroquois technology,
480
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:57,843
and let's just jump right
into this investigation.
481
00:21:59,973 --> 00:22:02,473
(eerie music)
482
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:11,160
- [T.D.] So, we definitely have
483
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,083
joined forces with our research.
484
00:22:14,340 --> 00:22:17,750
Us CPI's as doin' the scientific side
485
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:20,910
with the Iroquois technology
and the dynamic filtration,
486
00:22:20,910 --> 00:22:24,150
and Haunted Saginaw
doin' the research side.
487
00:22:24,150 --> 00:22:26,010
And we're bringin' this
information together.
488
00:22:26,010 --> 00:22:28,140
This is the first step tonight
489
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of movin' to that next level.
490
00:22:30,592 --> 00:22:33,592
(suspenseful music)
491
00:22:36,060 --> 00:22:39,200
- So, of course, this is the
second floor of the home.
492
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,220
This is Sabina's room, which
is the youngest daughter.
493
00:22:42,220 --> 00:22:44,620
And what is in this house seems to be
494
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very centered around her.
495
00:22:46,370 --> 00:22:50,233
- Well, just at a glance,
clearly I haven't been in there.
496
00:22:51,420 --> 00:22:56,420
But a young teenage girl's
room is very cluttered often.
497
00:22:56,780 --> 00:23:00,010
These entities seem to love clutter.
498
00:23:00,010 --> 00:23:02,980
It gives them a place to
hide, you know what I mean?
499
00:23:02,980 --> 00:23:06,030
Because they're all about camouflage.
500
00:23:06,030 --> 00:23:08,324
I mean, they're the masters of it.
501
00:23:08,324 --> 00:23:11,230
You know, we have things in nature
502
00:23:11,230 --> 00:23:13,650
that are able to camouflage themself.
503
00:23:13,650 --> 00:23:15,650
Clearly, animals do it all the time.
504
00:23:15,650 --> 00:23:18,750
But in this next dimension,
let's just call it,
505
00:23:18,750 --> 00:23:21,080
people are able to camouflage.
506
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,040
- Have you ever been with a paranormal
507
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,050
investigation team to actually acquire
508
00:23:27,050 --> 00:23:29,890
specific footage for Iroquois technology?
509
00:23:29,890 --> 00:23:32,470
I mean, we did that
Finn Road, but remotely.
510
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:34,240
You know, you told us what you wanted.
511
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,073
We filmed it.
512
00:23:35,073 --> 00:23:36,310
We sent it to you.
513
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:39,644
This time you're here,
actually, physically here.
514
00:23:39,644 --> 00:23:40,477
- [T.D.] Right.
515
00:23:40,477 --> 00:23:41,910
- We could use that to our advantage.
516
00:23:41,910 --> 00:23:43,910
Adam's gonna be the one to film this.
517
00:23:43,910 --> 00:23:47,580
Is there any specific way
that you want to film this
518
00:23:47,580 --> 00:23:49,850
to get the most result you possibly can?
519
00:23:49,850 --> 00:23:52,440
'Cause we're really, really desperate
520
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,370
to find out what's in this house
521
00:23:54,370 --> 00:23:55,680
and what's affecting this family,
522
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,260
especially this little girl.
523
00:23:57,260 --> 00:23:59,990
- Well, to answer your
first part of your question,
524
00:23:59,990 --> 00:24:02,547
have we ever been out to an investigation?
525
00:24:02,547 --> 00:24:03,690
The answer is no.
526
00:24:03,690 --> 00:24:05,820
I'm not really comfortable
with bein' here.
527
00:24:05,820 --> 00:24:08,180
I was scared that I would
actually see somethin'.
528
00:24:08,180 --> 00:24:11,860
And, honestly, I don't wanna see anything.
529
00:24:11,860 --> 00:24:13,440
- I can sense you're very nervous.
530
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:14,970
- Oh, I'm completely nervous.
531
00:24:14,970 --> 00:24:16,880
- Do you have any specific instruction
532
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,210
with how you want him to film?
533
00:24:18,210 --> 00:24:20,260
And then, we're just gonna go
ahead and do a walk through.
534
00:24:20,260 --> 00:24:22,150
- Yeah, I mean, if you can
just kind of follow me,
535
00:24:22,150 --> 00:24:25,260
and, you know, and I can kinda
tell you how it would work.
536
00:24:25,260 --> 00:24:26,840
Basically, we always start on the
537
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,110
right side of a room when you come in.
538
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:31,720
So, and even though you're heading
539
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:32,890
to the right side of the room,
540
00:24:32,890 --> 00:24:35,020
you wanna work your way around.
541
00:24:35,020 --> 00:24:37,830
But you always want to
have the camera pointed
542
00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:38,900
to the center of the room.
543
00:24:38,900 --> 00:24:41,770
So, you come in, and you pan around.
544
00:24:41,770 --> 00:24:44,370
And once you start comin'
to the center of the room.
545
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:47,070
Right, you pan back to the center,
546
00:24:47,070 --> 00:24:49,593
and then you will walk your way around.
547
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,335
And always pause when you get to an area
548
00:24:54,335 --> 00:24:57,020
that is blocked off, like a corner,
549
00:24:57,020 --> 00:24:59,650
some place that has three side to it.
550
00:24:59,650 --> 00:25:02,960
You always wanna pan that area, hit that,
551
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,380
and then continue on.
552
00:25:04,380 --> 00:25:09,110
One, two, three sides, pause, hit that,
553
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:11,000
and continue on over.
554
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,330
You do the same thing here.
555
00:25:13,330 --> 00:25:17,890
You always count one,
two, three, pause, pan.
556
00:25:17,890 --> 00:25:19,970
So, you continue around the room,
557
00:25:19,970 --> 00:25:21,630
and when you get back towards the doorway,
558
00:25:21,630 --> 00:25:24,893
you wanna work your way back
towards the center again.
559
00:25:25,900 --> 00:25:30,030
And then, when you come out,
back your way out of that room.
560
00:25:30,030 --> 00:25:32,840
Because what happens is,
when we come up the steps,
561
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,760
they all wanna see what's goin' on.
562
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,990
And what's interesting is they don't,
563
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:41,470
they look with a different
set of eyes than we do.
564
00:25:41,470 --> 00:25:45,300
They no longer have a visual cortex
565
00:25:45,300 --> 00:25:46,890
that's in the back of our heads.
566
00:25:46,890 --> 00:25:48,730
With this vision, they don't have
567
00:25:48,730 --> 00:25:51,090
to use their eyes to look around corners.
568
00:25:51,090 --> 00:25:54,740
They do it because it's
human nature to do that.
569
00:25:54,740 --> 00:25:56,810
- And this is from all
your years of experience.
570
00:25:56,810 --> 00:25:57,910
You've seen this.
571
00:25:57,910 --> 00:26:00,350
You know how it is they
try to avoid detection.
572
00:26:00,350 --> 00:26:02,630
- Yeah, this room, I'm almost positive
573
00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:04,020
that we'll get somethin' out of this room,
574
00:26:04,020 --> 00:26:07,910
just because, once again,
you see, not a messy room.
575
00:26:07,910 --> 00:26:10,050
We just, had just, it
just has a lot of clutter.
576
00:26:10,050 --> 00:26:11,309
- There's so many places to hide here.
577
00:26:11,309 --> 00:26:13,990
- Absolutely, and, listen, they don't.
578
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:15,716
We're not gonna run them out of here.
579
00:26:15,716 --> 00:26:16,549
- [Steve] Right.
580
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:18,040
- So, they'll just hide.
581
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,023
And camouflage.
582
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:21,950
Let me go this way.
583
00:26:24,990 --> 00:26:29,990
So, when I came up here
to look around earlier,
584
00:26:31,020 --> 00:26:32,370
I didn't wanna look at much
585
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,210
because I'm not a ghost hunter.
586
00:26:36,210 --> 00:26:37,180
You know, I'm a researcher,
587
00:26:37,180 --> 00:26:40,160
and as a researcher, I like my job.
588
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,373
I like that task.
589
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,170
As a kid, I mean, Scooby Doo scared me.
590
00:26:47,170 --> 00:26:50,820
So, you can imagine to
come to a real ghost house.
591
00:26:50,820 --> 00:26:55,820
So, a hallway like this is good
to catch 'em in because why?
592
00:26:56,740 --> 00:27:01,630
It's long, and it's a good place
for them to travel between.
593
00:27:01,630 --> 00:27:03,480
For some reason, they like hallways.
594
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:08,480
And sometimes a hallway will be just that,
595
00:27:08,530 --> 00:27:09,670
a place to get away.
596
00:27:09,670 --> 00:27:10,687
So, but thank you.
597
00:27:10,687 --> 00:27:12,650
- [Steve] Ah, for sure, for sure.
598
00:27:12,650 --> 00:27:14,460
We'll get that footage to you right away.
599
00:27:14,460 --> 00:27:16,680
- Yep, let me know how it happens.
600
00:27:29,662 --> 00:27:32,162
(eerie music)
601
00:27:37,877 --> 00:27:40,544
(ominous music)
602
00:27:47,210 --> 00:27:50,270
- I thought of something
that I don't believe
603
00:27:50,270 --> 00:27:53,310
I told you originally,
something that we found
604
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,760
about a year after we bought the house.
605
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,930
We were going to be putting
some new GFIs in our bathroom,
606
00:28:01,930 --> 00:28:05,390
and when trying to
locate the power source,
607
00:28:05,390 --> 00:28:07,840
we weren't able to originally find it
608
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,213
looking in the basement.
609
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,020
There was no way to
access under the bathroom.
610
00:28:15,020 --> 00:28:16,360
So, we found this closet.
611
00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:18,510
There was some linoleum on the floor here.
612
00:28:18,510 --> 00:28:22,980
And we pulled it up, and we
found this access right here.
613
00:28:22,980 --> 00:28:26,793
And when we pulled it up,
614
00:28:27,930 --> 00:28:32,030
we found just this big hole.
615
00:28:32,030 --> 00:28:34,660
We think maybe it was used as a cistern
616
00:28:34,660 --> 00:28:36,650
for the original house.
617
00:28:36,650 --> 00:28:39,960
My two sons, when they were
probably eight or nine,
618
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,600
they climbed down in here
and came across a man's shoe.
619
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:44,670
We thought that was odd.
620
00:28:44,670 --> 00:28:45,740
It shouldn't be down there.
621
00:28:45,740 --> 00:28:48,500
And a couple minutes later,
they pull up a woman's shoe,
622
00:28:48,500 --> 00:28:50,720
and that was when we decided,
623
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,000
you know what, maybe you should just
624
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,980
get out of there and stop diggin'.
625
00:28:54,980 --> 00:28:56,310
We don't want you to be findin'
626
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:58,390
anything else that may be down there.
627
00:28:58,390 --> 00:29:00,109
- And this can't be accessed
through the basement
628
00:29:00,109 --> 00:29:01,014
or any other part of the house?
629
00:29:01,014 --> 00:29:02,090
- You can't, no, nope.
630
00:29:02,090 --> 00:29:05,010
You can't access it from outside, inside.
631
00:29:05,010 --> 00:29:07,190
The only way you can access some plumbing
632
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:10,140
and some of the electrical
is through this panel,
633
00:29:10,140 --> 00:29:13,060
and to completely cover
it up, it's kind of odd.
634
00:29:13,060 --> 00:29:15,500
- And after the bizarre
discoveries from your children,
635
00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:17,010
you pretty much told them no more.
636
00:29:17,010 --> 00:29:18,960
- Yeah, no more, and,
yeah, we closed it up.
637
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,640
And nobody's been down there since.
638
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,450
And that was like 10 years ago.
639
00:29:22,450 --> 00:29:25,520
How or why all of this would be down here.
640
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:26,997
- [Steve] Yeah, that doesn't
quite add up, does it?
641
00:29:26,997 --> 00:29:28,490
- [Stephanie] No, it doesn't.
642
00:29:28,490 --> 00:29:30,690
- [Steve] I think that
needs to be explored.
643
00:29:34,731 --> 00:29:37,731
(mellow rock music)
644
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:58,152
- So, I'm gettin' ready
to go underneath the house
645
00:30:58,152 --> 00:31:01,140
in what the family describes as a cistern
646
00:31:01,140 --> 00:31:03,940
that they found while trying to upgrade
647
00:31:03,940 --> 00:31:06,090
the electrical in the
first floor bathroom.
648
00:31:06,090 --> 00:31:09,370
When they lifted the floor,
lifted this flooring up,
649
00:31:09,370 --> 00:31:11,140
they found an access hole.
650
00:31:11,140 --> 00:31:12,930
The kids went down into the space.
651
00:31:12,930 --> 00:31:15,780
Evidently, at some point,
they found some shoes,
652
00:31:15,780 --> 00:31:19,820
and having found the bones
in the yard prior to that,
653
00:31:19,820 --> 00:31:23,200
they were leery about lettin'
the kids go back down there.
654
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,510
Stephanie told them
not to do that anymore.
655
00:31:26,510 --> 00:31:28,500
So, we're gonna go check it out.
656
00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:32,081
We think it's very odd to the
case and might have something,
657
00:31:32,081 --> 00:31:33,930
it might yield some evidence for us.
658
00:31:33,930 --> 00:31:36,737
So, I'm gettin' ready to
go down and check it out.
659
00:31:50,764 --> 00:31:53,431
(ominous music)
660
00:31:56,380 --> 00:31:57,213
- See?
661
00:31:58,910 --> 00:32:01,500
As soon as we got to
this hallway, he stopped.
662
00:32:01,500 --> 00:32:04,280
I could not get his attention
off of these stairs.
663
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,650
I was here for a few
minutes, and then I notice
664
00:32:06,650 --> 00:32:09,310
the temperature just completely dropped.
665
00:32:09,310 --> 00:32:11,020
I could probably almost see my breath.
666
00:32:11,020 --> 00:32:13,240
- [Steve] And his focus was
right down these stairs?
667
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,073
- [Jamie] Yes.
668
00:32:14,073 --> 00:32:15,060
- Was there any other type of sounds?
669
00:32:15,060 --> 00:32:17,850
Or was there anything that went
in conjunction with this or?
670
00:32:17,850 --> 00:32:22,310
- It kinda sounded like
someone was down on the landing
671
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:27,310
area down there, like shuffling
type of scratching sound,
672
00:32:27,310 --> 00:32:30,200
but other than that, not really.
673
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,610
- My name is Steve.
674
00:32:31,610 --> 00:32:33,050
This is my friend Jamie.
675
00:32:33,050 --> 00:32:35,660
We have a special guest
here tonight, Archer.
676
00:32:35,660 --> 00:32:38,320
Were you gonna come up
and maybe pay him a visit?
677
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,210
Maybe pet the dog?
678
00:32:39,210 --> 00:32:40,960
Is that what you were tryin' to do?
679
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:42,913
It's okay.
680
00:32:43,823 --> 00:32:45,690
(suspenseful music)
681
00:32:45,690 --> 00:32:48,490
Can you come up the stairs
here and communicate with us?
682
00:32:51,474 --> 00:32:54,057
(Adam sighing)
683
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:03,043
- Wow, look at all the old
paint cans and broken glass.
684
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:06,453
This is insane.
685
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,090
I'm gonna set my camera down.
686
00:33:10,540 --> 00:33:11,623
Check this out some.
687
00:33:18,410 --> 00:33:20,260
Some old paper, let's check that out.
688
00:33:24,527 --> 00:33:27,230
"Fire on Brockway Street, accident."
689
00:33:27,230 --> 00:33:28,313
No date on it.
690
00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:32,933
This here.
691
00:33:35,547 --> 00:33:38,117
"Carbon tetrachloride.
692
00:33:38,117 --> 00:33:39,597
"Poison, danger."
693
00:33:40,540 --> 00:33:43,360
- We are friends of the family
that currently own the house,
694
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,070
Tom and Stephanie Braley.
695
00:33:45,070 --> 00:33:47,320
We're gonna be spending
a lot of hours here,
696
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,400
many, many days.
697
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,130
So, if you're curious about who
we are and what we're doing,
698
00:33:52,130 --> 00:33:55,803
you could simply communicate
with us, try to contact us.
699
00:33:59,870 --> 00:34:02,020
Can you tell me your name please?
700
00:34:02,020 --> 00:34:03,920
We introduced ourselves.
701
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,810
Who are we trying to contact?
702
00:34:05,810 --> 00:34:07,073
Who are we speaking with?
703
00:34:08,539 --> 00:34:10,913
- Look at this, pruning shears.
704
00:34:12,660 --> 00:34:13,790
These are newer.
705
00:34:13,790 --> 00:34:15,760
Stephanie said it'd been over 10 years
706
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,190
since somebody's been down here.
707
00:34:18,190 --> 00:34:19,023
Bizarre.
708
00:34:22,290 --> 00:34:24,390
Just a lot of old, broken glass.
709
00:34:24,390 --> 00:34:25,523
This is crazy.
710
00:34:33,078 --> 00:34:34,528
I think I found the old shoe.
711
00:34:35,940 --> 00:34:36,923
It's old leather.
712
00:34:38,330 --> 00:34:40,463
It has to be 70, 80 years old.
713
00:34:45,420 --> 00:34:46,530
Oh, look at that.
714
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,130
Scratches all over the wall.
715
00:34:50,130 --> 00:34:51,360
- You know, it's not very nice
716
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:56,360
to rattle this door and
do this kind of thing
717
00:34:59,140 --> 00:35:01,990
because the people that are
in there are trying to sleep.
718
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:03,870
And it scares them.
719
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,730
Are you trying to cause turmoil?
720
00:35:10,730 --> 00:35:13,060
- These scratches all run up and down.
721
00:35:13,060 --> 00:35:14,153
They're all vertical.
722
00:35:15,860 --> 00:35:17,510
I wonder if these pruning shears.
723
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:25,480
Oh, they've been there a while too.
724
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,030
Pruning shears don't make that.
725
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,640
They're about two and a half
feet off the, off the floor.
726
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:37,473
Two feet.
727
00:35:41,090 --> 00:35:42,970
They're not consistent
with an animal though.
728
00:35:42,970 --> 00:35:44,570
They're not.
729
00:35:44,570 --> 00:35:45,597
There's no pattern to it.
730
00:35:45,597 --> 00:35:47,520
You know, there's no three or four.
731
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,743
There's no paw or claw that's makin' that.
732
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,863
I wonder if it's glass.
733
00:35:56,505 --> 00:35:57,338
Oh.
734
00:35:58,581 --> 00:36:01,331
(scraping sound)
735
00:36:04,416 --> 00:36:07,333
(glass clattering)
736
00:36:08,450 --> 00:36:09,363
Oh, my God.
737
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:13,033
I wonder if somebody was locked down here.
738
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:18,180
These soup cans, is that how somebody ate?
739
00:36:18,180 --> 00:36:20,470
Why are all these soup cans down here?
740
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:23,150
I wonder if this is
why this was sealed up.
741
00:36:23,150 --> 00:36:26,050
If the previous owners
here had sealed this up
742
00:36:26,050 --> 00:36:27,360
because they found it.
743
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,500
Because maybe they were
experiencing some of the same things
744
00:36:30,500 --> 00:36:32,540
in this house, and if
they thought that this was
745
00:36:32,540 --> 00:36:35,380
a source of some of it,
if they sealed it up,
746
00:36:35,380 --> 00:36:37,260
it'd go away, right?
747
00:36:37,260 --> 00:36:38,163
- Who are you?
748
00:36:40,180 --> 00:36:42,863
You need to identify yourself right now.
749
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,860
What do you want with this family?
750
00:36:48,860 --> 00:36:50,173
With this house?
751
00:36:51,070 --> 00:36:52,460
Are you Victor?
752
00:36:52,460 --> 00:36:54,560
Are you the little boy that Sabina's seen?
753
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,633
(door clattering)
754
00:37:07,517 --> 00:37:08,807
Holy shit.
755
00:37:08,807 --> 00:37:10,057
- [Jamie] Dude.
756
00:37:11,450 --> 00:37:13,060
- I hate to think what we're gonna find,
757
00:37:13,060 --> 00:37:15,770
but I think we owe it to the investigation
758
00:37:15,770 --> 00:37:17,890
to uncover what we can.
759
00:37:17,890 --> 00:37:21,470
As much as I don't want to,
it's time to start diggin'.
760
00:37:21,470 --> 00:37:23,460
I'm gonna reposition this camera here.
761
00:37:26,653 --> 00:37:29,653
(suspenseful music)
762
00:37:32,536 --> 00:37:35,369
(shovel scraping)
763
00:37:49,205 --> 00:37:51,052
What is that?
764
00:37:51,052 --> 00:37:53,885
(shovel scraping)
765
00:37:59,923 --> 00:38:01,006
What is that?
766
00:38:02,113 --> 00:38:04,503
What do you suppose this is?
767
00:38:06,575 --> 00:38:07,680
- You know, I was pretty apprehensive
768
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,400
about bringing Archer here tonight,
769
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,560
but I've lived in haunted places before.
770
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,610
And unfortunately for him,
seeing spirits is nothing new.
771
00:38:16,610 --> 00:38:19,590
I figured I would just start
by walking around the house
772
00:38:19,590 --> 00:38:22,610
and seeing if he hit
on any specific areas.
773
00:38:22,610 --> 00:38:26,440
He went crazy when we
got to the servant stairs
774
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:27,620
in the back of the house.
775
00:38:27,620 --> 00:38:29,120
As soon as we got back there,
776
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,920
he would not take his eyes off the bottom
777
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,500
of those stairs and the landing around it.
778
00:38:34,500 --> 00:38:36,520
Animals in general have a sixth sense
779
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,250
when it comes to these types of things.
780
00:38:38,250 --> 00:38:41,510
And even if you and I
can't see it, they can.
781
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:43,190
And it's there, and it's real.
782
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:44,840
And now that we're out of the area,
783
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,399
Archer is definitely
relieved to say the least.
784
00:38:48,399 --> 00:38:49,340
(shovel scraping)
785
00:38:49,340 --> 00:38:52,142
- I'm finding a lot of the
same thing in this spot here.
786
00:38:52,142 --> 00:38:54,357
It's all this slag and stuff,
787
00:38:54,357 --> 00:38:56,750
and I think we've found
what we're gonna find there.
788
00:38:56,750 --> 00:38:59,820
I think, I think what we need to do is
789
00:38:59,820 --> 00:39:02,667
take what we found up and show Steve,
790
00:39:02,667 --> 00:39:04,323
and see where we go from here.
791
00:39:29,952 --> 00:39:31,030
(gentle piano music)
792
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:32,750
So, Steve, what we found down there,
793
00:39:32,750 --> 00:39:34,610
it was really, really bizarre.
794
00:39:34,610 --> 00:39:36,800
There's no pattern to it to suggest
795
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,260
that it's an animal paw or claw.
796
00:39:39,260 --> 00:39:42,710
It's really quite random,
but all at the same height
797
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:44,160
all the way across the wall.
798
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:45,360
- So, that's fairly low.
799
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,210
- It is very low.
800
00:39:47,210 --> 00:39:49,680
And it's hard to think of, but I think
801
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,083
there was a kid locked in there.
802
00:39:52,083 --> 00:39:54,400
- You think there was a
child locked down there?
803
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:55,810
- I, I really think that there
804
00:39:55,810 --> 00:39:57,617
was a child locked down in there.
805
00:39:57,617 --> 00:39:59,350
- So, what supports that exactly?
806
00:39:59,350 --> 00:40:02,060
That's extremely
interesting and very creepy.
807
00:40:02,060 --> 00:40:06,440
- Being a full grown adult, to
get to that level to do that,
808
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,570
I took a piece of glass
that was on the floor,
809
00:40:08,570 --> 00:40:10,190
and I made a scratch in the wall.
810
00:40:10,190 --> 00:40:13,080
It resembled that, but
it was very uncomfortable
811
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:14,950
for me to get to that level.
812
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:17,250
It'd be more consistent to me
813
00:40:17,250 --> 00:40:21,940
that somebody smaller would
have been making that mark.
814
00:40:21,940 --> 00:40:24,280
And it almost made me wonder, you know,
815
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,830
with all the soup cans and cans
816
00:40:26,830 --> 00:40:29,950
with different kinds of food.
817
00:40:29,950 --> 00:40:31,741
- I see where you're goin' with that.
818
00:40:31,741 --> 00:40:33,450
- Is (sighing).
819
00:40:33,450 --> 00:40:34,990
- That's disturbing.
820
00:40:34,990 --> 00:40:37,250
- It, you know, makes my skin crawl.
821
00:40:37,250 --> 00:40:40,470
- We need to enhance these pictures,
822
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:42,520
get 'em blown up, really kinda study them.
823
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,820
Tom and Stephanie
definitely need to see this.
824
00:40:46,740 --> 00:40:49,823
(gentle piano music)
825
00:40:50,951 --> 00:40:53,618
(ominous music)
826
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:57,310
So, after you had showed us
the hole located in the closet,
827
00:40:57,310 --> 00:40:59,260
we decided to send Adam down there.
828
00:40:59,260 --> 00:41:01,970
There was a lot of very
interesting things.
829
00:41:01,970 --> 00:41:03,310
I want you to take a look at these
830
00:41:03,310 --> 00:41:07,593
photographs of the walls of the hole.
831
00:41:07,593 --> 00:41:09,570
And tell me what you see.
832
00:41:09,570 --> 00:41:11,140
- Oh, my God.
833
00:41:11,140 --> 00:41:14,300
There are scratches
everywhere, like gashes.
834
00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:15,240
Are they both the same?
835
00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:16,073
- Yes.
836
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:21,310
- There are scratches all over the place.
837
00:41:21,310 --> 00:41:23,440
- So, you know, the
first thought, I guess,
838
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,200
one would have is could it have been
839
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,100
a rodent, a raccoon, possum, whatever,
840
00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:30,530
some type of animal that
could somehow get in there?
841
00:41:30,530 --> 00:41:31,830
- Oh, well, yeah, when
you look at some of these,
842
00:41:31,830 --> 00:41:33,455
it looks like that could have been.
843
00:41:33,455 --> 00:41:34,288
- Right.
844
00:41:34,288 --> 00:41:35,770
- But when you see these ones, I mean,
845
00:41:35,770 --> 00:41:37,490
these are clearly not a rodent
846
00:41:37,490 --> 00:41:39,860
because they're, some are sideways.
847
00:41:39,860 --> 00:41:41,590
Some are up and down.
848
00:41:41,590 --> 00:41:42,700
- And there's no consistency.
849
00:41:42,700 --> 00:41:43,953
- There's zero consistency.
850
00:41:43,953 --> 00:41:45,536
- A paw or claw.
- Like this, it's just,
851
00:41:45,536 --> 00:41:46,980
looks like somebody just.
852
00:41:46,980 --> 00:41:48,560
- Right, especially this area here.
853
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,430
- Yeah, this one looks like what you'd
854
00:41:50,430 --> 00:41:52,960
see a little kid drawing with crayons.
855
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:53,996
- It's funny you would say that.
856
00:41:53,996 --> 00:41:56,750
Beyond these items here, there was dozens
857
00:41:56,750 --> 00:41:59,050
and dozens and dozens of food cans.
858
00:41:59,050 --> 00:42:00,730
Was somebody kept there?
859
00:42:00,730 --> 00:42:02,840
- That would be, that would
be horrifying to think
860
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,560
that somebody was put down in that
861
00:42:05,530 --> 00:42:07,080
as a punishment or anything.
862
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:07,913
- Right.
863
00:42:07,913 --> 00:42:09,320
- 'Cause I can only imagine.
864
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,320
I mean, there is no way to get in or out
865
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,750
other than that hole so it
would be like complete darkness.
866
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:17,020
- [Steve] Pitch black.
867
00:42:17,020 --> 00:42:19,420
- [Stephanie] And with
all the broken glass and,
868
00:42:20,780 --> 00:42:23,112
that would just be horrifying.
869
00:42:23,112 --> 00:42:26,112
(suspenseful music)
870
00:42:28,695 --> 00:42:31,362
(ominous music)
871
00:42:38,381 --> 00:42:41,381
(eerie piano music)
872
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:23,633
- [Steve Gonsalves] So, you had
873
00:43:23,633 --> 00:43:26,110
said this is the son's bedroom.
874
00:43:26,110 --> 00:43:28,090
- Yep, this was the oldest son's bedroom.
875
00:43:28,090 --> 00:43:29,910
Actually, I believe both sons at one point
876
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:32,020
had stayed up here in this house,
877
00:43:32,020 --> 00:43:35,510
and what's super interesting
is this here is an addition.
878
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:37,120
It's right over the garage actually.
879
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:42,120
And this door here, they
would say that 70 to 75%
880
00:43:42,490 --> 00:43:45,633
of every night that they
slept in here, this door.
881
00:43:49,790 --> 00:43:51,153
They would have it closed.
882
00:43:52,180 --> 00:43:53,639
And they would hear this.
883
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:55,120
(door rattling)
884
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,090
Just something shaking it, shaking it.
885
00:43:57,090 --> 00:43:58,700
And then, sometimes they would say
886
00:43:58,700 --> 00:44:01,530
it sounded like something would
run up and slam against it.
887
00:44:01,530 --> 00:44:02,600
- Oh, really?
- Yeah.
888
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,500
And they were terrified of this.
889
00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:06,680
- [Steve Gonsalves] Now,
is this a violent shaking?
890
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,370
Or is it, and did they
see any of this action?
891
00:44:10,370 --> 00:44:12,670
- Yes, they would say that
they would hear the doorknob,
892
00:44:12,670 --> 00:44:14,790
and sometimes when this
light was on out here,
893
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:18,000
they would see what looked like
feet moving back and forth.
894
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,480
For the longest time, they would
895
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,030
run out there and try to catch it.
896
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:22,790
The eldest son, when we interviewed him,
897
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:25,400
he said he actually moved
out because of this.
898
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,720
And over here, him and his younger brother
899
00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:29,620
were playing video games here one night.
900
00:44:29,620 --> 00:44:30,920
TV right here.
901
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,030
And they kept hearing crying outside.
902
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:36,210
So, they would pause the game,
kinda listen for a minute.
903
00:44:36,210 --> 00:44:37,810
Wouldn't here it, go back to playing.
904
00:44:37,810 --> 00:44:38,700
They heard it again.
905
00:44:38,700 --> 00:44:42,040
Well, about five minutes
later, there's this huge bang
906
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,638
that kinda shakes the house,
907
00:44:43,638 --> 00:44:45,060
and then the alarm system goes off.
908
00:44:45,060 --> 00:44:48,370
So, they grab what they could
find as makeshift weapons.
909
00:44:48,370 --> 00:44:49,493
They come back here,
910
00:44:52,340 --> 00:44:54,400
open up the door, and
as they're getting ready
911
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,350
to go out here, the mom comes running in.
912
00:44:56,350 --> 00:44:58,070
And she thinks they set off the alarm.
913
00:44:58,070 --> 00:44:59,640
And after a few minutes, they realize
914
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,810
that the youngest daughter,
Sabina, hadn't come out.
915
00:45:01,810 --> 00:45:03,200
They wanna go check on her.
916
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,660
And they run into the bedroom,
917
00:45:04,660 --> 00:45:07,010
open the curtains to
her bed, and she's gone.
918
00:45:07,010 --> 00:45:08,560
They get outside, and she's walking
919
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:09,880
right out into the street.
920
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,010
So, the mom screams her name,
and she kinda freezes up.
921
00:45:14,010 --> 00:45:15,950
They get out to the
road, and they stop her.
922
00:45:15,950 --> 00:45:17,620
And even though it's mid-July,
923
00:45:17,620 --> 00:45:18,740
the weather's super hot.
924
00:45:18,740 --> 00:45:19,960
That's why the windows were open
925
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,290
that they could hear the scream.
926
00:45:21,290 --> 00:45:23,920
They grab onto her, and she's ice cold.
927
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,350
They believe that in this house
928
00:45:25,350 --> 00:45:27,310
there are two specific entities.
929
00:45:27,310 --> 00:45:28,740
One of them is the child spirit
930
00:45:28,740 --> 00:45:30,100
of a little boy named Victor.
931
00:45:30,100 --> 00:45:32,570
After they tried to use spirit boards
932
00:45:32,570 --> 00:45:35,120
and things of that nature
to try and contact Victor,
933
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,250
something else changed in the house.
934
00:45:37,250 --> 00:45:39,900
All of a sudden, you know,
the doors are slamming.
935
00:45:39,900 --> 00:45:42,260
More aggression,
completely different vibe.
936
00:45:42,260 --> 00:45:44,510
But at the same time, Victor remains.
937
00:45:44,510 --> 00:45:47,010
So, they believe possibly
they opened up something
938
00:45:47,010 --> 00:45:48,210
by trying to communicate.
939
00:45:48,210 --> 00:45:50,380
You know, maybe there's
something that wasn't good,
940
00:45:50,380 --> 00:45:52,930
or malicious, was taking her out,
941
00:45:52,930 --> 00:45:54,730
and perhaps something else in the house
942
00:45:54,730 --> 00:45:56,280
was trying to alert the family.
943
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,420
- You know what would be pretty awesome?
944
00:46:05,420 --> 00:46:09,433
We should put the REM pod on
the other side of the door.
945
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,890
So, imagine if that started shaking.
946
00:46:12,890 --> 00:46:15,333
At the same time, the REM
pod started going off.
947
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,440
That would be quite a
nice piece of evidence
948
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,890
to let us know that there was something
949
00:46:20,890 --> 00:46:23,800
related to energy on the
other side of the door.
950
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,000
- Yeah, we can try that.
951
00:46:57,183 --> 00:46:58,016
Did you feel somethin'?
952
00:46:58,016 --> 00:46:59,050
- I did, yeah.
953
00:46:59,050 --> 00:47:00,273
I did actually.
954
00:47:07,250 --> 00:47:09,449
It was kinda bizarre actually.
955
00:47:09,449 --> 00:47:12,949
(object rolling on floor)
956
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:15,853
- [Steve] Where would that even come from?
957
00:47:15,853 --> 00:47:19,393
- I don't know what that
was or where that came from.
958
00:47:25,506 --> 00:47:28,173
- It looks like a little marble.
959
00:47:30,610 --> 00:47:32,500
- Well, where did this come from?
960
00:47:32,500 --> 00:47:34,980
I didn't see this anywhere.
961
00:47:34,980 --> 00:47:35,813
- I didn't either, and what's weird is
962
00:47:35,813 --> 00:47:38,680
it didn't sound like it fell and bounced.
963
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,930
It kinda sounded like it
just kinda came rolling.
964
00:47:40,930 --> 00:47:43,130
- All of a sudden, all
of the sudden, exactly.
965
00:47:43,130 --> 00:47:44,330
It just started rolling.
966
00:47:45,380 --> 00:47:46,530
How'd that even happen?
967
00:47:55,416 --> 00:47:56,600
(ominous music)
968
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,330
I was investigating the
son's room with Mr. Shippy,
969
00:47:59,330 --> 00:48:03,210
and we decided to try to see what could
970
00:48:03,210 --> 00:48:06,210
possibly explain the fact that the door
971
00:48:06,210 --> 00:48:09,550
is shaking and slamming and what not.
972
00:48:09,550 --> 00:48:11,380
And not much can really explain that
973
00:48:11,380 --> 00:48:14,290
because the amount of force
they're claiming to see.
974
00:48:14,290 --> 00:48:16,330
So, as we're messing with that door
975
00:48:16,330 --> 00:48:19,320
and trying to figure it out, I felt,
976
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,800
to me what felt like some
string behind my neck,
977
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,270
maybe hitting it or a piece
of cotton or something.
978
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:28,640
I don't really know how to explain it.
979
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,500
So, I just started to lean back
980
00:48:31,500 --> 00:48:34,980
to see if I could feel the
sensation that I was feeling.
981
00:48:34,980 --> 00:48:37,890
And just then, a small marble started
982
00:48:37,890 --> 00:48:40,530
rolling straight forward,
which was strange
983
00:48:40,530 --> 00:48:42,350
because if it had fallen to the floor,
984
00:48:42,350 --> 00:48:44,160
I most certainly would have heard that.
985
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,130
And we all would have
heard that distinct sound
986
00:48:46,130 --> 00:48:47,681
of it hitting the floor and maybe even
987
00:48:47,681 --> 00:48:52,681
bouncing a little bit, but it
was literally just the roll.
988
00:48:53,099 --> 00:48:56,516
(REM pod alert sounding)
989
00:49:04,809 --> 00:49:07,476
(ominous music)
990
00:49:10,857 --> 00:49:13,890
So, this would be, I guess,
where Victor would walk up.
991
00:49:13,890 --> 00:49:15,470
Are they just thinking
that's what happened,
992
00:49:15,470 --> 00:49:17,470
or is she recalling that's what happened?
993
00:49:17,470 --> 00:49:19,070
- [Steve] No, she recalls
that's what happened.
994
00:49:19,070 --> 00:49:20,803
- [Steve Gonsalves] She
recalls that's what happened.
995
00:49:20,803 --> 00:49:21,686
- Absolutely.
996
00:49:21,686 --> 00:49:24,000
She became very terrified
of her own bedroom
997
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,550
and would see the little
boy come into the room
998
00:49:26,550 --> 00:49:29,930
and stand basically right beside the bed.
999
00:49:29,930 --> 00:49:31,510
And she would just roll over or pull
1000
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:34,580
the covers over her face,
you know, very afraid.
1001
00:49:34,580 --> 00:49:36,230
And this went on several times.
1002
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:38,210
Again, once they started
to use the spirit board,
1003
00:49:38,210 --> 00:49:39,910
and things changed, they would hear
1004
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:43,840
really heavy footsteps
coming up the hallway.
1005
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,460
And then, she would cover her
face, you know, very fearful.
1006
00:49:46,460 --> 00:49:48,700
So, she knew by, of course, the sound
1007
00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:50,050
and just the whole demeanor of it,
1008
00:49:50,050 --> 00:49:51,400
that it was something different.
1009
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,330
And then, the family
basically out of desperation
1010
00:49:54,330 --> 00:49:57,020
ask the bishop from the local
Catholic church to come here.
1011
00:49:57,020 --> 00:50:00,520
So, he comes up here,
performs an entire blessing
1012
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,480
on the room, all the different corners,
1013
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,640
the dresser, and does what he does.
1014
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,810
And then puts, you know, the
family at ease essentially.
1015
00:50:08,810 --> 00:50:11,410
Then, when he leaves,
the family walks him out,
1016
00:50:11,410 --> 00:50:12,480
and they come up here.
1017
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,350
They go to put her to bed,
and everything you see here,
1018
00:50:15,350 --> 00:50:17,790
all of her dolls, all these pictures,
1019
00:50:17,790 --> 00:50:20,440
mirrors, everything is all knocked down.
1020
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,170
So, they think everything's
fine, everything's peaceful.
1021
00:50:23,170 --> 00:50:24,530
Let's put Sabina to bed.
1022
00:50:24,530 --> 00:50:26,280
Come up here, and then
they have to see this.
1023
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:27,113
- [Steve Gonsalves] Everything is down.
1024
00:50:27,113 --> 00:50:30,140
- So, needless to say, the
peace of mind left very quickly.
1025
00:50:30,140 --> 00:50:31,440
- There's so many layers.
1026
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:32,920
It's like an onion, you know.
1027
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,610
You really have to peel them all back
1028
00:50:34,610 --> 00:50:38,670
and really get to the
essence of what is going on
1029
00:50:38,670 --> 00:50:40,530
'cause there's so many variables.
1030
00:50:40,530 --> 00:50:42,680
You know, maybe Victor was
getting her out of here
1031
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,700
so that she wasn't dealing
with what he interprets
1032
00:50:45,700 --> 00:50:48,240
as the other, you know, spirits
1033
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:49,700
who are after him or whatever.
1034
00:50:49,700 --> 00:50:50,533
Who knows?
1035
00:50:50,533 --> 00:50:51,400
- [Steve] Yeah, trying to warn the girl,
1036
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:52,900
trying to warn the family.
1037
00:50:52,900 --> 00:50:54,440
That's the thing is there's.
- You never know.
1038
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:55,810
- So much to this case.
1039
00:50:55,810 --> 00:50:57,960
There's a body in the yard.
1040
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,670
There is several confirmed
deaths in the house.
1041
00:51:00,670 --> 00:51:04,450
It all.
(pounding sound)
1042
00:51:04,450 --> 00:51:05,783
- What was that?
1043
00:51:26,158 --> 00:51:29,408
(floorboards creaking)
1044
00:51:31,220 --> 00:51:32,113
Hello?
1045
00:51:34,502 --> 00:51:37,169
(ominous music)
1046
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:41,070
We're investigating in Sabina's room
1047
00:51:41,070 --> 00:51:44,080
and just talking about
how they communicated
1048
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,800
with Victor or supposedly
communicated with Victor
1049
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,700
through a spirit board or
a ouija board of some sort.
1050
00:51:51,700 --> 00:51:54,090
And as we're discussing that and what
1051
00:51:54,090 --> 00:51:56,750
Victor's intentions may have been,
1052
00:51:56,750 --> 00:52:00,400
we started to hear some
loud banging sounds.
1053
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:01,850
And, you know, what could that be?
1054
00:52:01,850 --> 00:52:04,020
Could it have been footsteps?
1055
00:52:04,020 --> 00:52:06,250
Could it have been just
some sort of, you know,
1056
00:52:06,250 --> 00:52:08,110
banging to get our attention?
1057
00:52:08,110 --> 00:52:10,510
I'm not too sure, but it was loud.
1058
00:52:10,510 --> 00:52:11,410
It was distinct.
1059
00:52:11,410 --> 00:52:14,030
It was reverberating within the wood
1060
00:52:14,030 --> 00:52:17,060
of this structure here in the house.
1061
00:52:17,060 --> 00:52:18,360
And so, Steve and I, of course,
1062
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,660
went immediately towards these sounds,
1063
00:52:21,660 --> 00:52:24,730
and once we got to the crest of the stairs
1064
00:52:24,730 --> 00:52:27,560
there looking down the staircase,
1065
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,470
we heard what sounded like some shuffling
1066
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:33,650
or movement or as if
something was, you know,
1067
00:52:33,650 --> 00:52:35,810
approaching and sort of stopped.
1068
00:52:35,810 --> 00:52:37,260
It was pretty interesting.
1069
00:52:37,260 --> 00:52:40,800
We didn't get much more after that,
1070
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,690
but just that in and of itself.
1071
00:52:42,690 --> 00:52:44,090
You know, what could that be?
1072
00:52:44,090 --> 00:52:45,340
Something was alerting us.
1073
00:52:45,340 --> 00:52:48,150
Something was trying to get our attention,
1074
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:51,213
and we need to figure out what that is.
1075
00:52:57,140 --> 00:52:58,190
- [Steve] What is it?
1076
00:53:05,168 --> 00:53:07,251
(crying)
1077
00:53:13,876 --> 00:53:16,481
(ominous music)
1078
00:53:16,481 --> 00:53:18,490
- So, while we were up
here in the second floor
1079
00:53:18,490 --> 00:53:22,190
doing my interview for the
investigation we'd just done,
1080
00:53:22,190 --> 00:53:27,190
we heard some crying or
sobbing or moaning of some sort
1081
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:28,340
coming from downstairs.
1082
00:53:28,340 --> 00:53:29,180
It was pretty awesome.
1083
00:53:29,180 --> 00:53:30,130
It was pretty loud.
1084
00:53:31,272 --> 00:53:33,890
And so, we decided to split up.
1085
00:53:33,890 --> 00:53:37,404
Have one investigator go
downstairs, that's Steve Shippy.
1086
00:53:37,404 --> 00:53:39,530
You know, that puts somebody
closer to the source,
1087
00:53:39,530 --> 00:53:44,020
but also keeps somebody
up here where we were
1088
00:53:44,020 --> 00:53:46,910
just in case that's what
triggered the sound.
1089
00:53:46,910 --> 00:53:48,450
Then, having somebody down there
1090
00:53:48,450 --> 00:53:50,710
that can be closer to it and hear it
1091
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:53,623
and analyze it will be valuable as well.
1092
00:53:58,300 --> 00:54:00,908
- Why does it seem that every time we are
1093
00:54:00,908 --> 00:54:05,560
in Sabina's room
something seems to happen?
1094
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,110
Why do we hear footsteps?
1095
00:54:08,110 --> 00:54:09,190
We've heard voices.
1096
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:10,373
We've heard crying.
1097
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:14,263
Is going into her room,
is it, does it bother you?
1098
00:54:16,340 --> 00:54:18,940
Does it bother you that
Steve is in there right now?
1099
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:25,210
- Is there something about
Sabina that draws you to her?
1100
00:54:25,210 --> 00:54:26,713
Or is it this room?
1101
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,920
Do you not like people in this room,
1102
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,403
or do you not like people around Sabina?
1103
00:54:40,010 --> 00:54:40,843
Oh.
1104
00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:54,270
- There's been a lot of
intrigue to your lure to Sabina.
1105
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,483
Is it protection?
1106
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:59,893
Or is there another reason?
1107
00:55:01,500 --> 00:55:02,333
- [Steve Gonsalves] EMF is going
1108
00:55:02,333 --> 00:55:04,870
a little, a little bonkers up here.
1109
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:06,040
- [Steve] I got a K-II meter here.
1110
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:07,363
I can turn this one on.
1111
00:55:10,410 --> 00:55:13,730
- [Steve Gonsalves] It's still
all under a 1.0, but it's
1112
00:55:13,730 --> 00:55:15,813
still going from .2 to .7.
1113
00:55:17,370 --> 00:55:19,070
This is a bit out of the ordinary.
1114
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,583
- Are you here with us tonight?
1115
00:55:32,750 --> 00:55:34,450
Are you watching what we're doing?
1116
00:55:36,490 --> 00:55:38,103
Wondering where Sabina went?
1117
00:55:42,365 --> 00:55:43,198
- [Steve Gonsalves] Do you like it
1118
00:55:43,198 --> 00:55:44,393
better when Sabina's here?
1119
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:48,890
- Maybe you're not even
worried about Sabina.
1120
00:55:48,890 --> 00:55:52,223
Is it Victor that you're
more concerned with?
1121
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,030
We'd like to know what you're crying.
1122
00:55:56,030 --> 00:55:57,640
I feel like you were definitely
1123
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,683
trying to get our attention with that.
1124
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:08,070
Are you sad that Sabina's
gone, that the family's gone?
1125
00:56:08,070 --> 00:56:11,983
Or does it have nothing to
do with this family at all?
1126
00:56:15,047 --> 00:56:18,297
(floorboards creaking)
1127
00:56:21,570 --> 00:56:23,070
- Are you coming up to see me?
1128
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:28,410
I'm in Sabina's room.
1129
00:56:28,410 --> 00:56:30,133
That's the upstairs bedroom.
1130
00:56:35,890 --> 00:56:37,713
EMF just started fluctuating,
1131
00:56:39,727 --> 00:56:41,330
.2 to 1.1.
1132
00:56:45,064 --> 00:56:48,314
(floorboards creaking)
1133
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:51,660
- [Steve] Steve, you're not movin' around
1134
00:56:51,660 --> 00:56:53,060
right now up there, are you?
1135
00:56:54,660 --> 00:56:56,170
- No, but just as you say that,
1136
00:56:56,170 --> 00:56:58,873
I just heard movement behind me.
1137
00:57:00,170 --> 00:57:01,753
- Are you up there right now?
1138
00:57:04,020 --> 00:57:05,593
Can you make somethin' move?
1139
00:57:12,326 --> 00:57:15,576
(floorboards creaking)
1140
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:31,390
- Literally, I started hearing shuffling
1141
00:57:31,390 --> 00:57:33,663
or some sort of movement behind me,
1142
00:57:34,610 --> 00:57:38,820
and I turned my head to
look in that direction.
1143
00:57:38,820 --> 00:57:41,510
And then, you literally
asked at that second,
1144
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:43,600
am I moving around up here?
1145
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,490
- [Steve] Yeah, down here
it sounded like somebody
1146
00:57:45,490 --> 00:57:47,970
was kinda quietly
walking, and I didn't know
1147
00:57:47,970 --> 00:57:49,900
if you'd gotten up to maybe see something.
1148
00:57:49,900 --> 00:57:51,220
So,
- No.
1149
00:57:51,220 --> 00:57:52,710
- [Steve] I waited just a moment,
1150
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:53,810
but it didn't sound like you.
1151
00:57:53,810 --> 00:57:56,283
I didn't hear your chair
creak or anything else.
1152
00:58:02,786 --> 00:58:05,453
(ominous music)
1153
00:58:07,688 --> 00:58:10,688
(eerie piano music)
1154
00:58:12,900 --> 00:58:15,150
- [Steve Gonsalves] After
just being here for one night,
1155
00:58:15,150 --> 00:58:18,310
you know, it's hard to
draw any conclusions
1156
00:58:18,310 --> 00:58:20,280
or really say anything other than,
1157
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,340
you know, we did have some experiences.
1158
00:58:22,340 --> 00:58:25,770
I did hear footsteps walking
right in front of me.
1159
00:58:25,770 --> 00:58:28,550
So, if I had another, say,
three or four days here
1160
00:58:28,550 --> 00:58:31,273
or a week here, who knows
what we would uncover?
1161
00:58:45,940 --> 00:58:47,090
- Jamie, are you ready?
1162
00:58:48,070 --> 00:58:49,510
Josh?
1163
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:50,343
Let's go.
1164
00:58:53,020 --> 00:58:57,850
Victor, we have two very, very important
1165
00:58:57,850 --> 00:59:01,080
messages to deliver to you tonight.
1166
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,850
Please come toward the sound of my voice
1167
00:59:03,850 --> 00:59:06,233
and join us here in this room.
1168
00:59:13,261 --> 00:59:16,094
(paper crinkling)
1169
00:59:19,587 --> 00:59:22,237
"Victor, first of all, I would like
1170
00:59:22,237 --> 00:59:25,057
"to thank you for sharing
your home with us.
1171
00:59:25,057 --> 00:59:27,417
"It must be very hard
to have different people
1172
00:59:27,417 --> 00:59:30,167
"coming and going from
your home all the time.
1173
00:59:30,167 --> 00:59:32,547
"Being so young when you passed away,
1174
00:59:32,547 --> 00:59:35,107
"that is something I cannot imagine.
1175
00:59:35,107 --> 00:59:38,027
"The extreme emotions that
both you and your family
1176
00:59:38,027 --> 00:59:41,047
"went through must have been
overwhelming and horrific.
1177
00:59:41,047 --> 00:59:43,247
"Did you not want to leave your family?
1178
00:59:43,247 --> 00:59:45,477
"Is that why you still remain here?
1179
00:59:45,477 --> 00:59:48,277
"Or do you have some unfinished business?
1180
00:59:48,277 --> 00:59:50,370
"Whatever the reason, you are here.
1181
00:59:50,370 --> 00:59:53,317
"Whether it's out of fear or confusion,
1182
00:59:53,317 --> 00:59:54,967
"my heart breaks for you.
1183
00:59:54,967 --> 00:59:58,347
"You have stayed and watched
your loved ones move on,
1184
00:59:58,347 --> 01:00:01,517
"grow old, and ultimately pass on.
1185
01:00:01,517 --> 01:00:04,077
"So, in closing, I just want you to know
1186
01:00:04,077 --> 01:00:08,107
"that no one here hates you or
wishes that you would leave.
1187
01:00:08,107 --> 01:00:11,527
"We just wish that you would find peace.
1188
01:00:11,527 --> 01:00:12,707
"Love, Stephanie."
1189
01:00:23,410 --> 01:00:27,363
This letter, Victor, is from Sabina.
1190
01:00:35,052 --> 01:00:37,885
(paper crinkling)
1191
01:00:40,177 --> 01:00:42,827
"Victor, hi, this is me, Sabina.
1192
01:00:42,827 --> 01:00:44,147
"I know you're just young
1193
01:00:44,147 --> 01:00:46,077
"and just a little boy in this house,
1194
01:00:46,077 --> 01:00:48,797
"but I think you should
try to find your parents.
1195
01:00:48,797 --> 01:00:52,067
"I think they miss you, and
you probably miss them too.
1196
01:00:52,067 --> 01:00:53,947
"I hope you can find your family
1197
01:00:53,947 --> 01:00:57,217
"and be happy, happier than you are now.
1198
01:00:57,217 --> 01:01:00,057
"Good luck, Sabina."
1199
01:01:10,810 --> 01:01:14,230
Victor, as you can see and hear,
1200
01:01:14,230 --> 01:01:16,250
the family that lives here now,
1201
01:01:16,250 --> 01:01:18,930
they care about you, very much.
1202
01:01:18,930 --> 01:01:21,200
They don't know why you still remain,
1203
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,290
but the fact is you do.
1204
01:01:23,290 --> 01:01:26,910
Stephanie and Sabina said that
they tried to contact you,
1205
01:01:26,910 --> 01:01:30,560
and they feel that you tried
to communicate with them.
1206
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,123
And perhaps something stopped you.
1207
01:01:44,290 --> 01:01:46,393
Charlie, no.
1208
01:01:48,810 --> 01:01:52,233
Victor, Victor, are you
here with us tonight?
1209
01:01:56,380 --> 01:02:01,283
Is somebody else, someone
like you in this house?
1210
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,450
Come on, Victor, you
can communicate with us.
1211
01:02:08,450 --> 01:02:10,980
All you have to do is move these pencils.
1212
01:02:10,980 --> 01:02:13,583
Move the pencil to yes or no.
1213
01:02:16,730 --> 01:02:18,773
We really, really wanna help you,
1214
01:02:19,660 --> 01:02:23,597
to get you with your family
and the people that love you
1215
01:02:23,597 --> 01:02:25,323
and the people that you love.
1216
01:02:28,690 --> 01:02:30,740
When Sabina and her mother were
1217
01:02:30,740 --> 01:02:34,790
playing this game with you,
they had asked the question,
1218
01:02:34,790 --> 01:02:38,010
are there others here besides you?
1219
01:02:38,010 --> 01:02:41,480
They said that the pencils
started going to yes
1220
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:45,470
and then struggled back
down and go back and forth.
1221
01:02:45,470 --> 01:02:47,913
Was somebody trying to
stop you from answering?
1222
01:02:57,300 --> 01:03:00,473
Did you hear that?
1223
01:03:00,473 --> 01:03:01,983
That was like rumbling.
1224
01:03:03,820 --> 01:03:06,580
Victor, please, whoever's
trying to stop you
1225
01:03:06,580 --> 01:03:09,970
from answering the question,
don't listen to them.
1226
01:03:09,970 --> 01:03:11,613
Do not be afraid of them.
1227
01:03:14,780 --> 01:03:16,303
Victor, are you here?
1228
01:03:29,691 --> 01:03:32,858
(piano chord playing)
1229
01:03:42,930 --> 01:03:43,903
Victor?
1230
01:03:46,540 --> 01:03:47,373
That's it.
1231
01:03:47,373 --> 01:03:49,673
You can communicate
with us just like this.
1232
01:03:51,210 --> 01:03:52,433
Can you hit it again?
1233
01:03:55,270 --> 01:03:57,210
Hit it for yes.
1234
01:03:57,210 --> 01:03:59,640
Victor, are you alone, or is there
1235
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:01,528
somebody else here with you?
1236
01:04:01,528 --> 01:04:03,110
(noise from above)
1237
01:04:03,110 --> 01:04:03,943
Upstairs.
1238
01:04:10,739 --> 01:04:13,406
(beeping sound)
1239
01:04:24,385 --> 01:04:27,552
(alarm clock beeping)
1240
01:04:45,633 --> 01:04:48,300
(ominous music)
1241
01:05:15,340 --> 01:05:19,653
- I'm very aware of something that's more,
1242
01:05:20,510 --> 01:05:25,510
a little bit darker, and the
energy that I keep feeling
1243
01:05:26,310 --> 01:05:29,480
is that they're not real happy
1244
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,180
that there's this childlike
loving energy that's here.
1245
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:44,870
- So, this is obviously Sabina's room.
1246
01:05:44,870 --> 01:05:46,680
Tell me what, what you're feeling.
1247
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:48,750
- My hair is totally standing on end,
1248
01:05:48,750 --> 01:05:52,530
like anxiety, and I can't breathe in here.
1249
01:05:52,530 --> 01:05:55,890
When I walked in here, not
only is the anxiety high,
1250
01:05:55,890 --> 01:05:58,070
but it's almost like it's dead energy.
1251
01:05:58,070 --> 01:05:59,500
It's dead air.
1252
01:05:59,500 --> 01:06:01,590
- When we were comin'
up the servant stairs,
1253
01:06:01,590 --> 01:06:03,440
I noticed you kind of faltered
1254
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:05,572
for a minute and didn't say anything.
1255
01:06:05,572 --> 01:06:06,740
What was going on there?
1256
01:06:06,740 --> 01:06:10,570
- I hit that top step,
and I was leaning forward.
1257
01:06:10,570 --> 01:06:13,300
And suddenly, it was almost like something
1258
01:06:13,300 --> 01:06:17,270
pushed me backwards, and I
literally started losing my.
1259
01:06:17,270 --> 01:06:19,570
Like, I almost fell all
the way down the stairs.
1260
01:06:19,570 --> 01:06:21,070
That wasn't an accident.
1261
01:06:21,070 --> 01:06:23,040
That wasn't me being clumsy.
1262
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:24,200
That wasn't an accident.
1263
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:28,030
Something was trying to stop
me at the top of those stairs.
1264
01:06:28,030 --> 01:06:29,180
- What do you think it is?
1265
01:06:29,180 --> 01:06:31,280
I mean, we know there's a
child spirit in this house.
1266
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:32,360
I mean, at this point,
(banging sound)
1267
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:33,400
what was that?
1268
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:34,372
- Did you just hear that?
1269
01:06:34,372 --> 01:06:36,510
- Yes, that came from that way.
1270
01:06:36,510 --> 01:06:37,970
- That was a loud thump.
1271
01:06:37,970 --> 01:06:39,680
It sounds like somebody just walked
1272
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,610
through the door and let it slam.
1273
01:06:41,610 --> 01:06:43,040
- You might wanna stand over here
1274
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,296
and be able to keep your
line of sight that way.
1275
01:06:45,296 --> 01:06:47,160
- Ah, yeah, because this is gettin'
1276
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:49,030
even crazier by the minute here.
1277
01:06:49,030 --> 01:06:50,670
So, I'm gonna tell you.
1278
01:06:50,670 --> 01:06:52,650
We've got the, we've got the child spirit,
1279
01:06:52,650 --> 01:06:54,260
and it's a loving spirit.
1280
01:06:54,260 --> 01:06:58,570
What I ran into, or what tried
to push me down the stairs,
1281
01:06:58,570 --> 01:07:00,850
and what I feel in here,
(thumping sound)
1282
01:07:00,850 --> 01:07:01,803
which is.
1283
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:05,110
- That shoe came off the rack.
1284
01:07:05,110 --> 01:07:06,410
Are you guys getting that?
1285
01:07:08,390 --> 01:07:11,340
That just came right off
there right next to T.
1286
01:07:11,340 --> 01:07:12,470
- He's here.
1287
01:07:12,470 --> 01:07:14,110
He's standing in the doorway,
1288
01:07:14,110 --> 01:07:16,530
and he stopped right in his tracks.
1289
01:07:16,530 --> 01:07:17,363
(floorboards creaking)
1290
01:07:17,363 --> 01:07:21,146
He's trying not to be noticed,
and he stopped in his tracks.
1291
01:07:21,146 --> 01:07:23,263
- Are you getting any kind of idea
1292
01:07:23,263 --> 01:07:26,310
of what we're dealing
with, what kind of spirit?
1293
01:07:26,310 --> 01:07:27,780
Male, female?
- He's a.
1294
01:07:27,780 --> 01:07:28,890
He's definitely male.
1295
01:07:28,890 --> 01:07:30,730
Tall, lanky, angry.
1296
01:07:30,730 --> 01:07:32,440
He doesn't like the kids playing.
1297
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:34,080
He doesn't like the happiness.
1298
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:37,870
He doesn't like that
the daughter interacting
1299
01:07:37,870 --> 01:07:40,220
with the young child.
1300
01:07:40,220 --> 01:07:41,570
He's innocent.
1301
01:07:41,570 --> 01:07:43,950
This, he's not happy.
1302
01:07:43,950 --> 01:07:44,820
He doesn't like it.
1303
01:07:44,820 --> 01:07:47,210
He reminds me of an old, disgruntled man
1304
01:07:47,210 --> 01:07:49,590
that, you know, shut up, you little kids.
1305
01:07:49,590 --> 01:07:51,780
Be quiet, don't talk so loud.
1306
01:07:51,780 --> 01:07:52,613
Don't play.
1307
01:07:52,613 --> 01:07:55,330
He's just, he's not nice whatsoever.
1308
01:07:55,330 --> 01:07:57,220
- Do you think he's
dangerous at this point?
1309
01:07:57,220 --> 01:07:59,280
- I would say that he borders 50/50.
1310
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:03,340
His patience wears thin real easy.
1311
01:08:03,340 --> 01:08:05,670
And the energy, it's, it can be like
1312
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:10,510
kind of a brutal energy,
a harsh, brutal energy
1313
01:08:10,510 --> 01:08:12,250
of just anger.
1314
01:08:12,250 --> 01:08:15,440
You know, somebody that
is bitter, by themselves,
1315
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:16,453
doesn't have a.
1316
01:08:19,420 --> 01:08:21,380
The light just went.
1317
01:08:21,380 --> 01:08:22,213
- You okay?
1318
01:08:24,301 --> 01:08:25,940
(Adam sighing)
1319
01:08:25,940 --> 01:08:26,773
Are you alright?
1320
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:29,513
- [Kelly] Adam, I swear you were
1321
01:08:29,513 --> 01:08:31,806
just now gettin' ready to pass out.
1322
01:08:31,806 --> 01:08:33,520
- And this light just
burned out at the same time.
1323
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:34,690
- [Kelly] And it totally just burned out.
1324
01:08:34,690 --> 01:08:36,460
- Right here, get this.
(Adam exhaling)
1325
01:08:36,460 --> 01:08:38,149
What did you feel?
1326
01:08:38,149 --> 01:08:38,982
- [Josh] You need to sit down?
1327
01:08:38,982 --> 01:08:40,612
- Yeah, sit, here, sit
down for a quick second.
1328
01:08:40,612 --> 01:08:41,945
- Holy mackerel.
1329
01:08:44,707 --> 01:08:46,193
- [Steve] Here, we got this.
1330
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:49,730
Can you hold that for me?
1331
01:08:49,730 --> 01:08:50,563
- [Kelly] Yep.
1332
01:08:50,563 --> 01:08:51,396
- [Steve] What happened?
1333
01:08:51,396 --> 01:08:53,533
- I was watching in the screen.
1334
01:08:55,950 --> 01:09:00,930
And somethin', somethin'
came through the screen.
1335
01:09:00,930 --> 01:09:03,217
Something black came right
across the front of my,
1336
01:09:03,217 --> 01:09:05,293
between me and the screen.
1337
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,400
- We're getting a little
too close to the truth.
1338
01:09:10,350 --> 01:09:13,460
This is what exactly
what he's letting me feel
1339
01:09:13,460 --> 01:09:18,060
is that we're getting a
little too close to the truth,
1340
01:09:18,060 --> 01:09:19,920
and he doesn't want it.
1341
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:21,960
He doesn't want it explained.
1342
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:24,800
- I asked you a moment ago
if this thing was dangerous,
1343
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:26,350
and you were kind of on the fence.
1344
01:09:26,350 --> 01:09:28,286
- He's building energy.
1345
01:09:28,286 --> 01:09:29,950
- [Steve] What did you see exactly?
1346
01:09:29,950 --> 01:09:32,033
- It was, excuse me.
1347
01:09:33,808 --> 01:09:37,790
Right between where
I'm holding the camera,
1348
01:09:37,790 --> 01:09:40,787
right between me and the
camera, it almost like.
1349
01:09:40,787 --> 01:09:42,030
(noise like a moan)
1350
01:09:42,030 --> 01:09:43,321
- What the hell was that?
1351
01:09:43,321 --> 01:09:44,850
- [Adam] What is that?
1352
01:09:44,850 --> 01:09:47,340
- That was a disembodied voice.
1353
01:09:47,340 --> 01:09:48,433
That was a groan.
1354
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:51,677
Ah, you know what,
1355
01:09:53,710 --> 01:09:55,510
from the closet.
1356
01:09:55,510 --> 01:09:56,507
- [Steve] It was like a wailing.
1357
01:09:56,507 --> 01:10:00,557
- I'm gonna tell ya,
it's gaining momentum.
1358
01:10:00,557 --> 01:10:02,380
- I mean, you were almost
pushed down the stairs,
1359
01:10:02,380 --> 01:10:06,280
and then this happens to
Adam just moments later.
1360
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:07,610
- You need to be very cautious
1361
01:10:07,610 --> 01:10:12,080
because I really feel like he's going to
1362
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:15,603
start hitting on each person individually,
1363
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:18,230
little by little by little,
1364
01:10:18,230 --> 01:10:20,830
almost like plucking off the prey.
1365
01:10:20,830 --> 01:10:24,587
You need to really, really
be careful with this one.
1366
01:10:36,660 --> 01:10:39,180
So, immediately when coming up the stairs,
1367
01:10:39,180 --> 01:10:42,820
not only was I, I feel like
I was totally attacked.
1368
01:10:42,820 --> 01:10:45,780
Something was trying to prevent me,
1369
01:10:45,780 --> 01:10:49,520
if not trying to push me
backwards down the stairs.
1370
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,740
So, with that, I
automatically became rattled,
1371
01:10:52,740 --> 01:10:54,830
and then we walk into this room.
1372
01:10:54,830 --> 01:10:58,130
This room, the energy is heavy,
1373
01:10:58,130 --> 01:11:00,570
almost as if you can't breathe.
1374
01:11:00,570 --> 01:11:05,180
Totally overwhelmed,
and just a high anxiety.
1375
01:11:05,180 --> 01:11:07,760
So, as we're standing
there, next thing you know,
1376
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,040
the shoe drops out of nowhere.
1377
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:11,900
There was no way that that shoe
1378
01:11:11,900 --> 01:11:13,380
would have just automatically have
1379
01:11:13,380 --> 01:11:15,510
fallen off the shelf by itself.
1380
01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:16,870
Why not before?
1381
01:11:16,870 --> 01:11:18,320
Why not after?
1382
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:20,763
No, there was something going on
1383
01:11:20,763 --> 01:11:22,940
that was trying to get our attention.
1384
01:11:22,940 --> 01:11:25,240
So, we've got several
things going on here.
1385
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,020
Then, next thing you know, the camera man,
1386
01:11:28,020 --> 01:11:30,360
like something almost knocked him down.
1387
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:34,580
He gets, you know,
completely, ghostly white
1388
01:11:34,580 --> 01:11:36,810
and thinks he's gonna pass out.
1389
01:11:36,810 --> 01:11:38,580
What the hell was that?
1390
01:11:38,580 --> 01:11:41,150
We hear this loud bang downstairs.
1391
01:11:41,150 --> 01:11:44,330
Something is clearly trying to alert us.
1392
01:11:44,330 --> 01:11:48,180
Not only is it there, but
it's gaining momentum.
1393
01:11:48,180 --> 01:11:49,780
- [Adam] It's pulling on my arm.
1394
01:11:55,010 --> 01:11:56,770
- You guys, this is crazy.
1395
01:11:56,770 --> 01:11:58,222
This is crazy.
1396
01:11:58,222 --> 01:12:00,610
- [Steve] It's, there's, his
hand is like freezing cold.
1397
01:12:00,610 --> 01:12:04,593
- He, he doesn't want
the truth to be told.
1398
01:12:08,139 --> 01:12:09,622
This is crazy.
1399
01:12:09,622 --> 01:12:10,872
- What are you?
1400
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:22,680
So, what happened
upstairs in Sabina's room,
1401
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:24,980
I've never felt like that before.
1402
01:12:24,980 --> 01:12:27,220
I've never felt like, it felt
1403
01:12:27,220 --> 01:12:29,283
like something passed through me.
1404
01:12:30,650 --> 01:12:32,630
There were moments leading up to that
1405
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:36,180
for about a minute and a
half that I don't recall.
1406
01:12:36,180 --> 01:12:40,510
I lost all track of what was going on.
1407
01:12:40,510 --> 01:12:44,110
So, we continued from the
bedroom out into the hallway
1408
01:12:44,110 --> 01:12:46,910
to talk to Kelly some more
about what happened in the room.
1409
01:12:46,910 --> 01:12:50,310
I could feel a hand on my wrist pulling.
1410
01:12:50,310 --> 01:12:51,950
It didn't just pull my hand away.
1411
01:12:51,950 --> 01:12:53,397
It pulled my hand behind me.
1412
01:12:53,397 --> 01:12:55,760
And it was such a strong pull
1413
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:57,840
that I actually lost my balance
1414
01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:59,890
and fell backwards onto the step.
1415
01:12:59,890 --> 01:13:01,710
I was being pulled by something
1416
01:13:01,710 --> 01:13:04,610
that was a stronger force than myself.
1417
01:13:04,610 --> 01:13:08,840
It's a scary thing,
and I really am fearful
1418
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:11,433
for what's gonna happen goin' forward.
1419
01:13:18,462 --> 01:13:21,129
(ominous music)
1420
01:13:34,433 --> 01:13:36,520
- The master bedroom here
is extremely important
1421
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:38,860
as this was the specific location
1422
01:13:38,860 --> 01:13:41,870
where the very first
sighting of an apparition,
1423
01:13:41,870 --> 01:13:44,430
a ghost, was witnessed by
a member of the family.
1424
01:13:44,430 --> 01:13:46,430
Here on the floor in front of us.
1425
01:13:46,430 --> 01:13:48,960
All of these toys that
we have brought here
1426
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:52,450
are our attempt to try to
get Victor to come out here
1427
01:13:52,450 --> 01:13:54,960
and possibly interact with some of these,
1428
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:58,260
as these items go back to
a specific time period,
1429
01:13:58,260 --> 01:14:00,713
which would have been during his life.
1430
01:14:01,650 --> 01:14:03,763
Victor, are you here with us this evening?
1431
01:14:05,770 --> 01:14:08,670
We have a gift, or several gifts, for you.
1432
01:14:08,670 --> 01:14:10,670
Would you like to come in here and play?
1433
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:19,630
Can you tell me, perhaps, why you
1434
01:14:19,630 --> 01:14:23,010
were looking out this window?
1435
01:14:23,010 --> 01:14:24,230
Was there something out there
1436
01:14:24,230 --> 01:14:27,083
that maybe caught your attention?
1437
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:30,283
Maybe you were just
watching the cars go by.
1438
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:36,400
Perhaps, watching the
people on the sidewalk
1439
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:37,963
go up and down Brockway.
1440
01:14:39,630 --> 01:14:41,700
When you turned to look at Sabina,
1441
01:14:41,700 --> 01:14:43,620
I kinda think that maybe you did that
1442
01:14:43,620 --> 01:14:48,520
to let her know that,
indeed, you could see her.
1443
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:51,070
Maybe you felt a connection
1444
01:14:51,070 --> 01:14:54,543
because the two of you were closer in age.
1445
01:14:56,180 --> 01:14:59,343
Maybe you just wanted
to, to get her attention.
1446
01:15:03,060 --> 01:15:04,690
It's amazing when I think about it though.
1447
01:15:04,690 --> 01:15:07,970
Like, for a girl that was
four or five years old
1448
01:15:07,970 --> 01:15:11,470
to describe something that was translucent
1449
01:15:11,470 --> 01:15:15,000
and no feet floating,
which was classic, classic
1450
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,340
apparition sightings, it gives me chills.
1451
01:15:17,340 --> 01:15:19,080
It really does, especially standing
1452
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:22,350
right here where he was at.
1453
01:15:22,350 --> 01:15:23,990
I mean, at the end of the day,
1454
01:15:23,990 --> 01:15:28,990
for anybody, child, adult,
that would be terrifying.
1455
01:15:29,287 --> 01:15:32,548
(door slamming)
1456
01:15:32,548 --> 01:15:33,381
Go.
1457
01:15:49,410 --> 01:15:50,243
That was open.
1458
01:15:50,243 --> 01:15:51,403
That was the door.
1459
01:16:00,500 --> 01:16:01,373
Victor?
1460
01:16:13,712 --> 01:16:16,379
(Steve sighing)
1461
01:16:17,410 --> 01:16:18,653
Victor, are you here?
1462
01:16:25,460 --> 01:16:26,883
Please don't be afraid.
1463
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:29,563
Did you slam the door?
1464
01:16:32,930 --> 01:16:34,683
Were my questions upsetting you?
1465
01:16:38,410 --> 01:16:40,823
Please don't stop communicating with us.
1466
01:16:46,810 --> 01:16:49,150
Oh, my heart's goin'
right through my chest.
1467
01:16:49,150 --> 01:16:52,173
That was a pretty loud slam
for being a child spirit.
1468
01:16:55,647 --> 01:16:58,152
(dramatic music)
(shoes squeaking)
1469
01:16:58,152 --> 01:16:59,080
What's goin' on?
1470
01:16:59,080 --> 01:16:59,913
What's wrong?
1471
01:17:00,821 --> 01:17:04,350
- [Jamie] (breathing
hard) It felt like some.
1472
01:17:04,350 --> 01:17:05,550
Check my hair back here.
1473
01:17:07,690 --> 01:17:09,730
Is there a scratch or anything?
1474
01:17:09,730 --> 01:17:10,920
It felt like something.
- It's red.
1475
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:13,750
- [Jamie] Pulled my hair, or, it hurts.
1476
01:17:13,750 --> 01:17:15,423
- [Steve] Here, take this, take this.
1477
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:20,340
Give me the flashlight.
1478
01:17:20,340 --> 01:17:21,173
Turn around.
1479
01:17:21,173 --> 01:17:22,616
- [Jamie] Do I have a mark or anything?
1480
01:17:22,616 --> 01:17:23,787
- [Steve] Just turn around.
1481
01:17:23,787 --> 01:17:24,740
Let me see.
1482
01:17:24,740 --> 01:17:25,840
Move your hair please.
1483
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:29,250
- [Jamie] It's like right here somewhere.
1484
01:17:29,250 --> 01:17:30,720
- [Steve] Hold on.
1485
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:31,793
It's not focusing.
1486
01:17:33,290 --> 01:17:37,872
Um, yeah, there's some,
there's somethin' there.
1487
01:17:37,872 --> 01:17:38,891
- [Jamie] What?
1488
01:17:38,891 --> 01:17:41,103
- [Steve] It's, it's not, it's, ah, here.
1489
01:17:42,090 --> 01:17:43,840
- [Jamie] What is it?
1490
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:44,823
Is it bleeding?
1491
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:46,910
- [Steve] I don't know that it's bleeding,
1492
01:17:46,910 --> 01:17:49,940
but there's definitely a spot there.
1493
01:17:49,940 --> 01:17:51,230
Oh, my God.
1494
01:17:51,230 --> 01:17:52,130
What did you feel?
1495
01:17:53,700 --> 01:17:55,210
- I was just recording you, and it felt
1496
01:17:55,210 --> 01:17:57,670
like something rushed up behind me
1497
01:17:57,670 --> 01:18:00,190
and then pulled my hair.
1498
01:18:00,190 --> 01:18:02,990
And next thing I knew, my
neck felt like it was on fire.
1499
01:18:04,140 --> 01:18:05,700
- [Steve] This is not a child spirit.
1500
01:18:05,700 --> 01:18:06,533
- [Jamie] No.
1501
01:18:07,500 --> 01:18:08,333
- Look at the height.
1502
01:18:08,333 --> 01:18:09,830
I mean, you're almost what, six feet tall,
1503
01:18:09,830 --> 01:18:11,220
and it scratched the back of your neck
1504
01:18:11,220 --> 01:18:13,040
or whatever or burned it.
1505
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:14,633
Who is up here with us?
1506
01:18:15,770 --> 01:18:16,633
Who are you?
1507
01:18:18,267 --> 01:18:21,350
(gentle eerie music)
1508
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:36,986
Are you alright?
1509
01:18:36,986 --> 01:18:38,336
- (breathing hard) I'm just a
little freaked out right now.
1510
01:18:38,336 --> 01:18:39,332
- [Steve] Let me see it under the light.
1511
01:18:39,332 --> 01:18:40,223
Let me see it under the light.
1512
01:18:45,420 --> 01:18:47,153
Aw, man, that's bad.
1513
01:18:48,919 --> 01:18:52,740
That looks more like a,
a burn than a scratch.
1514
01:18:52,740 --> 01:18:54,980
Jamie, you don't have to
finish this investigation
1515
01:18:54,980 --> 01:18:56,700
right now if you don't want to.
1516
01:18:56,700 --> 01:18:59,202
Do you wanna go downstairs,
or do you wanna?
1517
01:18:59,202 --> 01:19:00,870
(suspenseful music)
1518
01:19:00,870 --> 01:19:01,868
- No.
1519
01:19:01,868 --> 01:19:05,170
(REM pod alert sounding)
1520
01:19:05,170 --> 01:19:10,170
- Master bedroom.
1521
01:19:13,029 --> 01:19:14,253
- [Jamie] Oh, my God.
1522
01:19:14,253 --> 01:19:15,086
- Victor?
1523
01:19:26,851 --> 01:19:29,518
(ominous music)
1524
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:51,840
Victor, we'd like to play
a game with you tonight.
1525
01:19:51,850 --> 01:19:54,210
I'm pretty sure you're
familiar with me by now.
1526
01:19:54,210 --> 01:19:57,220
My name is Steve, as I've said before.
1527
01:19:57,220 --> 01:20:02,210
This is my good friend
Jamie, Josh, and Tim.
1528
01:20:02,210 --> 01:20:04,580
We're gonna play hide and seek.
1529
01:20:04,580 --> 01:20:06,710
All of us are gonna split up and chose
1530
01:20:06,710 --> 01:20:09,120
a different room to go
sit and wait for you.
1531
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:11,350
Please do not be afraid of us.
1532
01:20:11,350 --> 01:20:12,650
We know you've shown yourself
1533
01:20:12,650 --> 01:20:16,570
to several members of the
family, specifically Sabina.
1534
01:20:16,570 --> 01:20:19,410
Tonight we're simply here
just to play with you,
1535
01:20:19,410 --> 01:20:23,640
interact with you, and perhaps
find out why you're here.
1536
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:25,673
So, tonight, this is all about you.
1537
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:28,319
Now, let's play.
1538
01:20:28,319 --> 01:20:31,030
All of you guys, be careful.
1539
01:20:31,030 --> 01:20:32,610
Let's split up, and let's go.
1540
01:20:32,610 --> 01:20:35,250
As soon as something happens, if it does,
1541
01:20:35,250 --> 01:20:39,123
get on that radio and
call for backup, okay?
1542
01:20:40,370 --> 01:20:41,203
Let's do it.
1543
01:21:09,245 --> 01:21:12,162
(recorder beeping)
1544
01:21:13,330 --> 01:21:17,623
- This is Jamie in the back
hallway of the Brockway mansion.
1545
01:21:18,630 --> 01:21:20,203
Hide and seek investigation.
1546
01:21:26,460 --> 01:21:27,523
Hey, Victor?
1547
01:21:29,450 --> 01:21:32,010
I don't think I need to introduce myself.
1548
01:21:32,010 --> 01:21:34,370
We've been here many nights
1549
01:21:34,370 --> 01:21:37,060
and have investigated many hours.
1550
01:21:37,060 --> 01:21:39,710
You probably know more about
us than we think you do.
1551
01:21:40,570 --> 01:21:43,870
I really hope you don't mind
us being here every night.
1552
01:21:43,870 --> 01:21:46,470
I know you're probably
not used to this routine
1553
01:21:46,470 --> 01:21:51,470
and the fact that the family's
been gone, especially Sabina.
1554
01:21:51,900 --> 01:21:56,060
I know that you are very attached to her.
1555
01:21:56,060 --> 01:21:58,813
- I had the honor of
meeting the new owners,
1556
01:21:59,780 --> 01:22:01,650
Tom and Stephanie.
1557
01:22:01,650 --> 01:22:03,160
He told me that you have a fondness
1558
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:05,970
for their youngest daughter, Sabina.
1559
01:22:05,970 --> 01:22:08,270
He said that she was the
first one to see you.
1560
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:10,957
I'd like to see you.
1561
01:22:13,490 --> 01:22:15,310
They really put a lot of money and care
1562
01:22:15,310 --> 01:22:16,933
into renovating this place.
1563
01:22:18,070 --> 01:22:19,363
I hope that pleases you.
1564
01:22:20,490 --> 01:22:24,410
I hope that doesn't upset you by making it
1565
01:22:24,410 --> 01:22:26,110
different from what you're used to
1566
01:22:27,100 --> 01:22:29,153
'cause they genuinely love this place.
1567
01:22:30,070 --> 01:22:32,490
- Victor, if you're out there, come over
1568
01:22:32,490 --> 01:22:35,060
towards where my light
is in the hallway here.
1569
01:22:35,060 --> 01:22:36,780
Got this device here.
1570
01:22:36,780 --> 01:22:39,298
It's like a toy.
1571
01:22:39,298 --> 01:22:40,131
You could come over.
1572
01:22:40,131 --> 01:22:43,370
You could touch it, and it'll light up.
1573
01:22:43,370 --> 01:22:46,090
It makes all kinda cool noises.
1574
01:22:46,090 --> 01:22:48,640
And it'll let me know if
you're standin' out there.
1575
01:22:49,670 --> 01:22:52,460
I think I hear you
creepin' around out there.
1576
01:22:52,460 --> 01:22:53,490
Come in here.
1577
01:22:53,490 --> 01:22:54,810
Come find me.
1578
01:22:54,810 --> 01:22:58,210
You do, you win the game of hide and seek.
1579
01:22:58,210 --> 01:23:00,420
- This is Steve, second floor,
1580
01:23:00,420 --> 01:23:03,833
hide and seek investigation
of the Brockway mansion.
1581
01:23:08,270 --> 01:23:09,103
Victor,
1582
01:23:11,370 --> 01:23:13,930
this is a huge, huge house.
1583
01:23:13,930 --> 01:23:18,930
So many different rooms,
corridors, multiple staircases.
1584
01:23:21,610 --> 01:23:23,000
I thought it would only be fitting
1585
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,703
that we'd play a game of
hide and seek with you.
1586
01:23:26,940 --> 01:23:29,560
I'm sure you played hide and seek
1587
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:33,763
many times in this huge,
beautiful, old house.
1588
01:23:35,070 --> 01:23:36,770
What's you favorite place to hide?
1589
01:23:42,130 --> 01:23:45,920
- You know, Victor, I was here with Steve
1590
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:49,030
when he was talkin' to
the family about you,
1591
01:23:49,030 --> 01:23:50,683
hearing all their stories.
1592
01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:57,770
And when he asked them what
they hoped we'd accomplish
1593
01:23:57,770 --> 01:24:00,663
by being here, they just
wanted us to help you.
1594
01:24:01,620 --> 01:24:03,750
They don't wanna hear you crying.
1595
01:24:03,750 --> 01:24:06,653
They don't want you to
be lonely or scared.
1596
01:24:07,650 --> 01:24:11,410
Stephanie told us a story that happened
1597
01:24:11,410 --> 01:24:13,250
before they even moved in.
1598
01:24:13,250 --> 01:24:15,203
They were just doing renovations,
1599
01:24:16,150 --> 01:24:17,490
and one of the very first things
1600
01:24:17,490 --> 01:24:20,290
that ever happened was
they heard you crying
1601
01:24:20,290 --> 01:24:21,960
all throughout the house.
1602
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:24,493
And Stephanie, being a mother,
1603
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:28,100
it really breaks her heart to know
1604
01:24:28,100 --> 01:24:29,890
that that's going on here.
1605
01:24:29,890 --> 01:24:33,350
She just really wants to
help you, and so do we.
1606
01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:36,000
- I flew here all the way
from a place called Denver.
1607
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:39,743
It's 1200 miles away.
1608
01:24:42,170 --> 01:24:44,520
But I'm originally from
Saginaw, just like you.
1609
01:24:46,150 --> 01:24:47,933
I'm only here for tonight.
1610
01:24:52,870 --> 01:24:54,520
And it would be nice to meet you.
1611
01:24:57,230 --> 01:24:59,263
I hope it's me that you come visit.
1612
01:25:02,657 --> 01:25:05,907
(floorboards creaking)
1613
01:25:11,030 --> 01:25:11,933
Victor?
1614
01:25:14,405 --> 01:25:15,273
Is that you?
1615
01:25:17,603 --> 01:25:19,363
God, I really hope that's Victor.
1616
01:25:20,530 --> 01:25:24,240
- Victor, if you are
here, and you can hear me,
1617
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:28,010
I need to know if it was indeed you
1618
01:25:28,010 --> 01:25:31,290
that was communicating
with Stephanie and Shelby
1619
01:25:33,850 --> 01:25:36,040
when they were using the spirit board
1620
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:41,450
trying to communicate
with you specifically.
1621
01:25:41,450 --> 01:25:46,073
Was it you spelling out V-I-C?
1622
01:26:25,626 --> 01:26:28,340
- You know, Victor, I'm really sorry
1623
01:26:28,340 --> 01:26:32,970
that I'm sitting here talking
about all this sad stuff
1624
01:26:34,500 --> 01:26:37,290
because I know we're
here tonight to have fun.
1625
01:26:37,290 --> 01:26:38,930
We're here to play a game.
1626
01:26:38,930 --> 01:26:39,763
In fact,
1627
01:26:44,420 --> 01:26:45,683
I brought you something.
1628
01:26:59,030 --> 01:27:00,173
Easter's coming up.
1629
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:03,893
So, I brought you an Easter basket.
1630
01:27:07,150 --> 01:27:09,670
I made the Easter basket myself.
1631
01:27:09,670 --> 01:27:12,520
I tried to pick out things
that I thought you might like.
1632
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:17,393
There's toys, chocolate,
1633
01:27:18,410 --> 01:27:19,653
even a stuffed rabbit.
1634
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:23,313
I've never made an Easter
basket for anyone before.
1635
01:27:24,790 --> 01:27:27,340
Pretty soon I'll get to
make one for my niece Lana.
1636
01:27:28,300 --> 01:27:30,143
It's her first Easter this year.
1637
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:34,770
But this Easter basket,
1638
01:27:34,770 --> 01:27:36,720
this is the first one I have ever made.
1639
01:27:37,670 --> 01:27:39,263
Just do me a favor, Victor,
1640
01:27:40,940 --> 01:27:43,310
don't tell the other guys I did this
1641
01:27:43,310 --> 01:27:46,770
'cause technically this is cheating.
1642
01:27:46,770 --> 01:27:47,603
- Victor?
1643
01:27:49,300 --> 01:27:51,373
I really hope it's me you come to find.
1644
01:27:54,890 --> 01:27:57,453
I traveled a real long
way just to meet you.
1645
01:28:01,500 --> 01:28:03,830
I sure would love to tell
my friends back in Colorado
1646
01:28:03,830 --> 01:28:05,890
that it was me you came to see.
1647
01:28:05,890 --> 01:28:06,790
- [Josh] Hey, Tim?
1648
01:28:08,430 --> 01:28:09,270
- [Tim] What?
1649
01:28:09,270 --> 01:28:10,720
- [Josh] Got a phone charger?
1650
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:12,473
- No.
1651
01:28:13,651 --> 01:28:15,600
You scared the shit out of me.
1652
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:16,433
- [Josh] Sorry.
1653
01:28:29,060 --> 01:28:32,990
- Victor, if there's
anything you can tell us
1654
01:28:33,990 --> 01:28:38,420
about the man or the monster
1655
01:28:38,420 --> 01:28:40,220
that is in this house
1656
01:28:40,220 --> 01:28:45,220
that's scaring you, leading
Sabina out into the street
1657
01:28:45,220 --> 01:28:48,670
in the middle of the
night, that could help us
1658
01:28:48,670 --> 01:28:52,820
remove him, identify him.
1659
01:28:52,820 --> 01:28:56,200
So, please, if there's
anything you can say,
1660
01:28:56,200 --> 01:29:00,713
if you can give us a verbal
response, we can help you.
1661
01:29:02,340 --> 01:29:05,410
- You know, Victor, I really thought
1662
01:29:05,410 --> 01:29:07,430
this Easter basket was gonna work.
1663
01:29:07,430 --> 01:29:10,050
I thought it was me you
were gonna come and find.
1664
01:29:10,050 --> 01:29:13,793
I've got candy, little green army men.
1665
01:29:15,850 --> 01:29:17,713
I've even got a toy fire truck.
1666
01:29:19,470 --> 01:29:21,283
You can roll it around on the floor.
1667
01:29:22,390 --> 01:29:23,540
Push it back and forth.
1668
01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:29,703
You just gotta come in here.
1669
01:29:35,994 --> 01:29:38,425
(Jamie sighing)
(dog barking)
1670
01:29:38,425 --> 01:29:41,842
(REM pod alert sounding)
1671
01:29:47,647 --> 01:29:50,314
(banging sound)
1672
01:29:59,100 --> 01:30:02,920
- Victor, we really, really
wanna communicate with you.
1673
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:06,010
- [Jamie] Guys, I've
got activity down here.
1674
01:30:06,010 --> 01:30:08,743
He just walked right past me, through me.
1675
01:30:10,180 --> 01:30:11,013
(walkie talkie beeping)
1676
01:30:11,013 --> 01:30:11,913
- Where is it now?
1677
01:30:12,990 --> 01:30:14,500
- [Jamie] He went through
the door behind me.
1678
01:30:14,500 --> 01:30:15,630
He's in the living room.
1679
01:30:15,630 --> 01:30:17,527
- Do you have visual confirmation?
1680
01:30:17,527 --> 01:30:18,390
(walkie talkie beeping)
1681
01:30:18,390 --> 01:30:21,384
- [Jamie] The stairs
leading up to Tom's office.
1682
01:30:21,384 --> 01:30:24,801
(walkie talking beeping)
1683
01:30:26,948 --> 01:30:29,448
(soft crying)
1684
01:30:30,734 --> 01:30:33,317
(door opening)
1685
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:37,910
(Steve exhaling)
1686
01:30:39,500 --> 01:30:41,193
- Jamie, it was just the cat.
1687
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:43,864
Oh, my God.
1688
01:30:43,864 --> 01:30:47,785
(REM pod alert sounding)
1689
01:30:47,785 --> 01:30:49,920
(door slamming)
1690
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:51,730
Everybody up to the office now.
1691
01:30:51,730 --> 01:30:53,033
Hurry up.
1692
01:30:53,033 --> 01:30:55,350
(walkie talkie beeping)
1693
01:30:55,350 --> 01:30:56,533
What is your name?
1694
01:30:57,550 --> 01:30:59,883
Because I know you are not Victor.
1695
01:31:00,830 --> 01:31:04,270
Victor didn't slam that door
with that kind of force.
1696
01:31:04,270 --> 01:31:08,010
Whoever you are, you're
not intimidating me.
1697
01:31:08,010 --> 01:31:10,603
Leave this family alone.
1698
01:31:12,987 --> 01:31:13,898
- [Josh] What's goin' on?
1699
01:31:13,898 --> 01:31:16,300
- Josh, listen, when
Jamie got on the radio
1700
01:31:16,300 --> 01:31:19,420
and said that she heard.
(footsteps pounding)
1701
01:31:19,420 --> 01:31:20,910
When you said that you heard something
1702
01:31:20,910 --> 01:31:24,190
coming up the stairwell here,
that was only the cat, okay?
1703
01:31:24,190 --> 01:31:26,100
- [Jamie] No, no, that was not the cat.
1704
01:31:26,100 --> 01:31:29,080
That's, what I heard sounded like
1705
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:31,500
heavy boot steps coming up the stairs.
1706
01:31:31,500 --> 01:31:33,840
- Okay, well, the cat
came popping out of there.
1707
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:36,340
It ran right down the hallway, okay,
1708
01:31:36,340 --> 01:31:38,180
but a few moments later when I went
1709
01:31:38,180 --> 01:31:40,930
to sit back down to
continue the EVP session,
1710
01:31:40,930 --> 01:31:43,460
the K-II meter in the doorway goes off.
1711
01:31:43,460 --> 01:31:45,130
I turn my attention to it.
1712
01:31:45,130 --> 01:31:48,500
The door right there
behind you slams shut.
1713
01:31:48,500 --> 01:31:51,240
That was not Victor, not
with that kind of force.
1714
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:52,350
I'm telling you right now.
(quiet eerie music)
1715
01:31:52,350 --> 01:31:53,860
No more splitting up.
1716
01:31:53,860 --> 01:31:56,470
From now on, we gotta stick in pairs
1717
01:31:56,470 --> 01:31:58,360
or stick together, however.
1718
01:31:58,360 --> 01:31:59,730
This is starting to get dangerous.
1719
01:31:59,730 --> 01:32:00,730
Do you understand?
1720
01:32:00,730 --> 01:32:01,563
- I agree.
1721
01:32:01,563 --> 01:32:02,660
- Where the hell is Tim?
1722
01:32:02,660 --> 01:32:03,540
- [Jamie] He's back down
in the command center
1723
01:32:03,540 --> 01:32:04,940
grabbing another camera.
1724
01:32:04,940 --> 01:32:06,260
- Alright, well, let's
not leave him alone.
1725
01:32:06,260 --> 01:32:08,510
Just pop out this SD cards real quick.
1726
01:32:08,510 --> 01:32:10,960
Everybody meet in the
command center, okay?
1727
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:12,371
Be careful.
1728
01:32:12,371 --> 01:32:15,371
(quiet eerie music)
1729
01:32:24,609 --> 01:32:26,430
(ominous music)
1730
01:32:26,430 --> 01:32:29,360
So, the reason I wanted to
talk to you guys in my office
1731
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:32,350
before we get to the
location tonight is we know
1732
01:32:32,350 --> 01:32:36,570
that whatever's in that
house is always listening.
1733
01:32:36,570 --> 01:32:38,210
It's always watching.
1734
01:32:38,210 --> 01:32:40,490
And obviously I'm not
talking about Victor.
1735
01:32:40,490 --> 01:32:42,740
What we encountered last night,
1736
01:32:42,740 --> 01:32:44,720
which you encountered in that hallway,
1737
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:47,480
what came up the stairs,
what slammed the door on me,
1738
01:32:47,480 --> 01:32:48,710
was not Victor.
1739
01:32:48,710 --> 01:32:51,460
Now, Josh, I believe when you were
1740
01:32:51,460 --> 01:32:52,850
in the room that you were in,
1741
01:32:52,850 --> 01:32:54,670
and you were hearing the little footsteps.
1742
01:32:54,670 --> 01:32:56,780
And you thought you were
seeing a little shadow,
1743
01:32:56,780 --> 01:32:59,120
I think you were about
to encounter Victor.
1744
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:00,990
Or should I say you did encounter Victor?
1745
01:33:00,990 --> 01:33:03,160
Now, what you dealt with in the hallway,
1746
01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:04,950
do you believe that was Victor?
1747
01:33:04,950 --> 01:33:05,860
- Not at all.
1748
01:33:05,860 --> 01:33:07,220
- And what did it feel like?
1749
01:33:07,220 --> 01:33:12,220
- It was a very heavy, heavy feeling
1750
01:33:12,830 --> 01:33:16,350
that was very angry when
it passed through me.
1751
01:33:16,350 --> 01:33:19,200
- I mean, whatever's there is angry.
1752
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:23,070
It is negative, and we're
running out of time.
1753
01:33:23,070 --> 01:33:24,800
We need to find out what this thing is,
1754
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:26,540
and I don't know that
we can get rid of it.
1755
01:33:26,540 --> 01:33:27,930
I think it's at least our job
1756
01:33:27,930 --> 01:33:31,130
to try to find out what it is, who it is,
1757
01:33:31,130 --> 01:33:32,880
what attachment there is to the house,
1758
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:35,180
and how the hell to get
rid of the damn thing.
1759
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:39,010
Anyway, the reason I wanted
to talk to you guys here
1760
01:33:39,010 --> 01:33:43,060
is because tonight I'm
gonna try something, okay?
1761
01:33:43,060 --> 01:33:46,560
When we try to contact
Victor, it always comes out.
1762
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:48,050
So, we're gonna go there tonight
1763
01:33:48,050 --> 01:33:51,890
under the guise that we're
trying to contact Victor,
1764
01:33:51,890 --> 01:33:56,560
knowing that Victor's not the
one that's going to come out.
1765
01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:59,090
But I need to tell you
guys this right now.
1766
01:33:59,090 --> 01:34:01,810
What's gonna happen tonight,
you have to trust me.
1767
01:34:01,810 --> 01:34:03,540
I don't wanna talk about it right now,
1768
01:34:03,540 --> 01:34:06,170
and I definitely don't wanna
talk about it in the house.
1769
01:34:06,170 --> 01:34:08,300
I've got a plan we're gonna put in motion.
1770
01:34:08,300 --> 01:34:09,970
We need to draw this thing out
1771
01:34:09,970 --> 01:34:12,170
and try to get some kind of conclusion
1772
01:34:12,170 --> 01:34:14,350
to what we're dealing with.
1773
01:34:14,350 --> 01:34:16,635
Alright, let's get goin'.
1774
01:34:16,635 --> 01:34:19,635
(suspenseful music)
1775
01:34:28,340 --> 01:34:31,007
(ominous music)
1776
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:45,670
Jamie, are you rolling?
1777
01:34:45,670 --> 01:34:46,850
- [Jamie] Yes.
1778
01:34:46,850 --> 01:34:51,080
- Victor, last night we played a game,
1779
01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:52,733
a game of hide and seek.
1780
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:56,240
But then it dawned on
me today when I got up,
1781
01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:57,830
we never finished.
1782
01:34:57,830 --> 01:35:02,040
It is your turn to hide,
and the three of us
1783
01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:03,583
will be the seekers.
1784
01:35:04,690 --> 01:35:06,430
We know that you know this home
1785
01:35:06,430 --> 01:35:08,910
way better than we could ever imagine.
1786
01:35:08,910 --> 01:35:10,760
So, it's gonna be a challenge.
1787
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:15,730
So, right now, run off to your
favorite spot in the house.
1788
01:35:15,730 --> 01:35:18,180
Pick your best hidin' place,
1789
01:35:18,180 --> 01:35:20,533
and perhaps one of us will find you.
1790
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:24,130
Alright, guys, I want you
to head out right here.
1791
01:35:24,130 --> 01:35:25,400
Go and search the property.
1792
01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:26,850
Check the out buildings.
1793
01:35:26,850 --> 01:35:28,653
See if maybe you can find Victor.
1794
01:35:29,940 --> 01:35:30,773
- [Jamie] Outside?
1795
01:35:30,773 --> 01:35:32,180
- Yeah, I'm gonna take the house.
1796
01:35:32,180 --> 01:35:34,023
You guys go right out here, come on.
1797
01:35:37,690 --> 01:35:39,412
Just go ahead and head out the front door.
1798
01:35:39,412 --> 01:35:40,245
- But?
1799
01:35:40,245 --> 01:35:41,078
- I got it.
1800
01:35:41,078 --> 01:35:41,911
Everything's fine.
1801
01:35:43,172 --> 01:35:45,755
(Josh sighing)
1802
01:35:49,660 --> 01:35:51,277
Let me know if you find him.
1803
01:35:57,233 --> 01:35:58,629
(lock snapping)
1804
01:35:58,629 --> 01:36:01,296
(ominous music)
1805
01:36:04,797 --> 01:36:07,913
(pounding on front door)
1806
01:36:07,913 --> 01:36:10,577
(pounding on front door)
1807
01:36:10,577 --> 01:36:12,083
All right, Victor,
1808
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:16,338
ready or not.
1809
01:36:16,338 --> 01:36:18,136
(knocking)
1810
01:36:18,136 --> 01:36:19,750
(knocking)
1811
01:36:19,750 --> 01:36:20,713
Here I come.
1812
01:36:23,237 --> 01:36:25,860
(knocking)
1813
01:36:25,860 --> 01:36:27,053
You'd better be hiding.
1814
01:36:29,057 --> 01:36:31,307
(knocking)
1815
01:36:34,420 --> 01:36:38,193
And I bet you I know exactly
where to start first.
1816
01:36:49,832 --> 01:36:52,499
(door creaking)
1817
01:36:53,810 --> 01:36:54,643
- Damn it.
1818
01:36:56,939 --> 01:36:58,180
I don't get it.
1819
01:36:58,180 --> 01:37:02,020
Yesterday he's telling us,
everybody needs to stay together.
1820
01:37:02,020 --> 01:37:03,500
Always be partnered up.
1821
01:37:03,500 --> 01:37:05,380
Nobody's allowed to go off on their own
1822
01:37:05,380 --> 01:37:08,190
with all the investigating going
the way it's been recently.
1823
01:37:08,190 --> 01:37:10,360
And here he goes all by himself,
1824
01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:11,610
locks the door (sighing).
1825
01:37:13,368 --> 01:37:14,853
It's just a bad idea.
1826
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:17,473
I'm callin' him.
1827
01:37:20,950 --> 01:37:23,460
(floorboards creaking)
1828
01:37:23,460 --> 01:37:25,160
- [Steve] Are you in here, Victor?
1829
01:37:38,550 --> 01:37:40,933
I know this is one of your favorite rooms.
1830
01:38:30,374 --> 01:38:33,291
(curtain swishing)
1831
01:38:39,682 --> 01:38:40,515
- [Steve's Voicemail] You've reached Steve
1832
01:38:40,515 --> 01:38:41,847
with Haunted Saginaw.
- Really?
1833
01:38:41,847 --> 01:38:44,020
- [Steve's Voicemail]
Paranormal Investigation.
1834
01:38:44,020 --> 01:38:46,794
Please leave a detailed
message after the beep,
1835
01:38:46,794 --> 01:38:49,410
and I'll get back with you
at my earliest convenience.
1836
01:38:49,410 --> 01:38:50,243
Thank you.
1837
01:38:51,310 --> 01:38:52,913
- [Josh] I'm gonna try a different door.
1838
01:39:08,871 --> 01:39:10,653
- [Steve] Ah, creepy ass house.
1839
01:39:14,680 --> 01:39:16,893
I thought for sure you
would've been up here.
1840
01:39:19,730 --> 01:39:23,563
All the reports of sightings
and activity in this room.
1841
01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:29,123
I know how fond you are of Sabina, Victor.
1842
01:39:31,860 --> 01:39:33,177
Why don't you come on out?
1843
01:39:39,120 --> 01:39:40,443
Alright,
1844
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:46,703
one by one, every room in this house,
1845
01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:49,193
I'm gonna come and find you.
1846
01:39:57,780 --> 01:40:02,273
I know it seemed kind of
rude locking my friends out,
1847
01:40:03,610 --> 01:40:05,993
but I just want it to
be you and I tonight.
1848
01:40:07,750 --> 01:40:08,713
It's fun, isn't it?
1849
01:40:18,420 --> 01:40:20,270
Come out, come out, wherever you are.
1850
01:40:23,671 --> 01:40:26,671
(doorknob rattling)
1851
01:40:34,203 --> 01:40:37,203
(doorknob rattling)
1852
01:40:43,969 --> 01:40:44,886
- Aw, fuck.
1853
01:40:45,930 --> 01:40:47,580
There's a door on the other side.
1854
01:40:49,030 --> 01:40:49,963
- [Steve] Victor?
1855
01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:52,880
Are you in here?
1856
01:40:55,575 --> 01:40:58,242
(door creaking)
1857
01:41:07,900 --> 01:41:10,567
(door creaking)
1858
01:41:24,926 --> 01:41:27,593
(Steve sighing)
1859
01:41:30,110 --> 01:41:33,503
If I were a kid, where would I hide?
1860
01:41:52,939 --> 01:41:56,939
Man, you sure picked a
good hiding spot, Victor.
1861
01:42:10,423 --> 01:42:11,256
Victor.
1862
01:42:11,256 --> 01:42:14,626
(curtain swishing)
1863
01:42:14,626 --> 01:42:17,293
(Steve sighing)
1864
01:42:34,163 --> 01:42:36,663
(dog whining)
1865
01:42:39,406 --> 01:42:40,490
(dog whining)
1866
01:42:40,490 --> 01:42:42,200
What the hell is that?
1867
01:42:43,385 --> 01:42:46,657
(dog whining)
1868
01:42:46,657 --> 01:42:47,603
The dog.
1869
01:43:12,067 --> 01:43:13,317
You're shaking.
1870
01:43:15,230 --> 01:43:16,323
Are you down here?
1871
01:43:20,660 --> 01:43:21,840
It's okay, Hector.
1872
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:23,520
It's okay, dog.
1873
01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:24,353
It's okay.
1874
01:43:31,580 --> 01:43:32,713
What do you guys see?
1875
01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:36,613
Come on out and show yourself.
1876
01:43:48,330 --> 01:43:49,370
What do you see?
1877
01:43:50,792 --> 01:43:51,625
What?
1878
01:43:59,363 --> 01:44:02,530
(floorbaord creaking)
1879
01:44:40,996 --> 01:44:41,829
(dog barking)
1880
01:44:41,829 --> 01:44:42,662
What is your name?
1881
01:44:46,510 --> 01:44:47,953
Who are you?
1882
01:44:51,060 --> 01:44:54,420
The family was not trying to contact you
1883
01:44:54,420 --> 01:44:56,060
using the spirit board.
1884
01:44:56,060 --> 01:44:58,920
I don't care if they
didn't properly close out.
1885
01:44:58,920 --> 01:45:03,410
They want to end
communication with you now.
1886
01:45:03,410 --> 01:45:05,580
They want to close now.
1887
01:45:05,580 --> 01:45:07,980
Leave this house.
1888
01:45:07,980 --> 01:45:09,873
Leave this property.
1889
01:45:12,040 --> 01:45:13,360
Do you understand?
1890
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:15,483
Go, go away.
1891
01:45:17,930 --> 01:45:22,240
You're not welcome here, not wanted here.
1892
01:45:22,240 --> 01:45:24,170
This it it.
1893
01:45:24,170 --> 01:45:25,603
Leave this house.
1894
01:45:28,460 --> 01:45:30,430
Quit tormenting
(dog barking)
1895
01:45:30,430 --> 01:45:32,083
that little child, Victor.
1896
01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:35,583
Quit terrifying Sabina.
1897
01:45:47,220 --> 01:45:48,053
Go.
1898
01:45:48,937 --> 01:45:51,854
(pounding on door)
1899
01:46:03,156 --> 01:46:06,156
(suspenseful music)
1900
01:46:37,150 --> 01:46:39,610
- Okay, Steve, you know what happened.
1901
01:46:39,610 --> 01:46:40,783
You end up sendin' me,
1902
01:46:40,783 --> 01:46:42,850
I think you sent us like
four different clips.
1903
01:46:42,850 --> 01:46:45,010
So, we started in the basement.
1904
01:46:45,010 --> 01:46:48,260
So, we'll go right here and start.
1905
01:46:48,260 --> 01:46:51,180
We call this one the basement mist.
1906
01:46:51,180 --> 01:46:53,680
And what happens is, let me set it up.
1907
01:46:53,680 --> 01:46:56,180
You end up walkin' around a corner,
1908
01:46:56,180 --> 01:46:58,430
and Iroquois gets a hit.
1909
01:46:58,430 --> 01:47:00,930
So, we go back, run it through again.
1910
01:47:00,930 --> 01:47:01,763
You go around a corner.
1911
01:47:01,763 --> 01:47:02,596
We don't see anything.
1912
01:47:02,596 --> 01:47:03,429
We run it through again.
1913
01:47:03,429 --> 01:47:05,760
We get another hit in the same location.
1914
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:07,310
So, we'll go ahead and play it.
1915
01:47:31,100 --> 01:47:33,410
So, right there we see this mist, okay?
1916
01:47:33,410 --> 01:47:34,860
Doesn't look like much to us.
1917
01:47:37,460 --> 01:47:39,943
So, we use our dynamic filtration on it.
1918
01:47:43,820 --> 01:47:46,260
And when you look, you can actually see,
1919
01:47:46,260 --> 01:47:49,450
very faintly, see what looks like
1920
01:47:49,450 --> 01:47:53,750
maybe a female that has,
stickin' her head out.
1921
01:47:53,750 --> 01:47:55,226
It's hard to see.
1922
01:47:55,226 --> 01:47:57,680
We thought this was
important to put in there
1923
01:47:57,680 --> 01:48:01,060
because the Iroquois
technology has the ability
1924
01:48:01,060 --> 01:48:04,110
to show some of the most incredible images
1925
01:48:04,110 --> 01:48:05,420
that the world's ever seen.
1926
01:48:05,420 --> 01:48:09,060
But it also has the ability to show
1927
01:48:09,060 --> 01:48:11,560
images that are a little faint.
1928
01:48:11,560 --> 01:48:15,140
We just want you to know,
and everybody to know,
1929
01:48:15,140 --> 01:48:17,960
everything that Iroquois
technology hits on
1930
01:48:17,960 --> 01:48:20,390
is not gonna be this, you know,
1931
01:48:20,390 --> 01:48:22,690
smoking gun of an apparition.
1932
01:48:22,690 --> 01:48:25,000
So, we just wanna make
sure people understand.
1933
01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:27,930
This is scientific
research, but we'll always,
1934
01:48:27,930 --> 01:48:30,230
we'll try to bring you
the best that we have.
1935
01:48:30,230 --> 01:48:31,720
The playmate (sighing).
1936
01:48:31,720 --> 01:48:33,220
This one's pretty interesting.
1937
01:48:36,280 --> 01:48:38,850
This is the upstairs bedroom.
1938
01:48:38,850 --> 01:48:40,900
So, let's go ahead and play it.
1939
01:48:40,900 --> 01:48:41,733
Fascinating.
1940
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:50,900
So, we just go through the first time.
1941
01:48:54,340 --> 01:48:55,970
And then, we'll go
back, and we'll hit the,
1942
01:48:55,970 --> 01:48:57,773
hit it with the Iroquois technology.
1943
01:49:13,506 --> 01:49:14,830
So, we hit in that area.
(ominous music)
1944
01:49:14,830 --> 01:49:17,200
So, immediately it doesn't
look that bad to us,
1945
01:49:17,200 --> 01:49:20,070
but you'll see for a second
that it's dark there.
1946
01:49:20,070 --> 01:49:23,030
Now, we apply the dynamic filtration,
1947
01:49:23,030 --> 01:49:28,030
and right there you can see
that the face comes out.
1948
01:49:28,340 --> 01:49:31,330
You got the left eye, the right eye,
1949
01:49:31,330 --> 01:49:33,540
the nose kind of pointing right here.
1950
01:49:33,540 --> 01:49:36,230
Our final conclusion
is that is a little boy
1951
01:49:36,230 --> 01:49:39,503
we think mixed in with some other people.
1952
01:49:42,130 --> 01:49:45,010
Alright, um, (sighing) this guy
1953
01:49:45,010 --> 01:49:47,620
that we're gettin'
ready to show you, he is
1954
01:49:47,620 --> 01:49:52,620
with a little boy, and he's
standin' behind the little boy.
1955
01:49:52,920 --> 01:49:57,920
Entities that stand in front of children
1956
01:49:57,960 --> 01:50:02,180
are someone who is
protective of those children,
1957
01:50:02,180 --> 01:50:05,390
but human nature always remains the same.
1958
01:50:05,390 --> 01:50:08,940
Parents, adults stand
in front of children.
1959
01:50:08,940 --> 01:50:11,030
They don't stand behind 'em.
1960
01:50:11,030 --> 01:50:14,990
The only, we only see that if we think
1961
01:50:14,990 --> 01:50:19,513
the adult is somehow
manipulating or using the child.
1962
01:50:22,340 --> 01:50:24,990
This gentleman that we're gonna show you
1963
01:50:24,990 --> 01:50:28,313
is behind the little boy that
we just showed you before.
1964
01:50:29,210 --> 01:50:34,210
And in 14 years of
research, that is a problem.
1965
01:50:42,910 --> 01:50:44,240
Can you see him okay?
1966
01:50:44,240 --> 01:50:45,190
- [Steve] Oh, yeah.
1967
01:50:46,150 --> 01:50:50,360
- I didn't tell you
this, but when I was here
1968
01:50:50,360 --> 01:50:54,000
last time, I was sitting right
over there in that chair.
1969
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:55,360
You guys were in the kitchen,
1970
01:50:55,360 --> 01:50:57,183
and I was in this room by myself.
1971
01:50:58,560 --> 01:51:01,220
And I looked over at the corner over here
1972
01:51:01,220 --> 01:51:03,330
where the bookshelves
and the fireplace is,
1973
01:51:03,330 --> 01:51:08,230
and I saw a head and shoulders
1974
01:51:08,230 --> 01:51:09,453
directly in front of me.
1975
01:51:10,530 --> 01:51:13,990
I had only seen these
images on my computer,
1976
01:51:13,990 --> 01:51:17,450
but here I was face to
face with his shadow.
1977
01:51:17,450 --> 01:51:20,340
And I'm lookin', I'm
like, is that a shadow?
1978
01:51:20,340 --> 01:51:21,400
This is the problem.
1979
01:51:21,400 --> 01:51:26,210
When I was staring at it, that
shadow is a veiling glare.
1980
01:51:26,210 --> 01:51:29,250
These entities look just like you and me.
1981
01:51:29,250 --> 01:51:32,210
Whenever you see a shadow,
they are creating that
1982
01:51:32,210 --> 01:51:35,430
because they don't want
you to know who they are.
1983
01:51:35,430 --> 01:51:36,883
But this is what I saw.
1984
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:41,660
I saw the face, and I saw
the white coming through.
1985
01:51:41,660 --> 01:51:43,890
He wanted me to see him.
1986
01:51:43,890 --> 01:51:45,760
He did that on purpose.
1987
01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:47,150
- You couldn't be more correct
1988
01:51:47,150 --> 01:51:51,160
when you say that it's
certainly not protecting
1989
01:51:51,160 --> 01:51:52,670
the child spirit in this house.
1990
01:51:52,670 --> 01:51:56,760
It's definitely oppressing that spirit,
1991
01:51:56,760 --> 01:52:00,780
and it's also a danger to the family.
1992
01:52:00,780 --> 01:52:03,170
- [T.D.] Do you know about this guy?
1993
01:52:03,170 --> 01:52:04,290
- Oh, yeah.
1994
01:52:04,290 --> 01:52:05,990
We definitely know about this guy.
1995
01:52:06,890 --> 01:52:09,240
The family when they first
moved into the house,
1996
01:52:09,240 --> 01:52:11,740
they started renovations,
and almost immediately
1997
01:52:11,740 --> 01:52:14,530
they were hearing crying and weeping.
1998
01:52:14,530 --> 01:52:16,280
It sounded like a child.
1999
01:52:16,280 --> 01:52:17,800
The mother of the home, Stephanie,
2000
01:52:17,800 --> 01:52:19,980
would travel around trying to find
2001
01:52:19,980 --> 01:52:21,760
where the sound was coming from.
2002
01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:24,060
It was completely omni-directional.
2003
01:52:24,060 --> 01:52:25,020
She would go one way.
2004
01:52:25,020 --> 01:52:26,170
She'd go another.
2005
01:52:26,170 --> 01:52:28,160
It would still be the same volume
2006
01:52:28,160 --> 01:52:29,930
regardless of where she went.
2007
01:52:29,930 --> 01:52:32,480
Not long after that, this little spirit
2008
01:52:32,480 --> 01:52:34,910
started to appear to
the youngest daughter,
2009
01:52:34,910 --> 01:52:36,750
to other people in the family.
2010
01:52:36,750 --> 01:52:39,180
Hand prints on the mirror
like a small child.
2011
01:52:39,180 --> 01:52:41,300
This continued and continued.
2012
01:52:41,300 --> 01:52:42,650
And then, when the youngest daughter
2013
01:52:42,650 --> 01:52:44,560
had physically seen the boy,
2014
01:52:44,560 --> 01:52:47,570
then they were adamant to
find out who is this kid
2015
01:52:47,570 --> 01:52:49,590
that is haunting the
home, what's happening?
2016
01:52:49,590 --> 01:52:52,400
So, they started doing
research on the home.
2017
01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:54,920
They get some death
records, other materials,
2018
01:52:54,920 --> 01:52:56,900
but then unfortunately at some point,
2019
01:52:56,900 --> 01:53:00,010
they had the idea to use a spirit board
2020
01:53:00,010 --> 01:53:02,610
and try and contact the spirit
2021
01:53:02,610 --> 01:53:04,640
to find out who it was.
2022
01:53:04,640 --> 01:53:08,900
So, it started to spell out V-I-C
2023
01:53:08,900 --> 01:53:10,610
and continued to spell out V-I-C.
2024
01:53:10,610 --> 01:53:13,200
Well, for a moment they
were thinking perhaps
2025
01:53:13,200 --> 01:53:14,890
it was trying to spell out Victoria.
2026
01:53:14,890 --> 01:53:16,440
And then, they thought
there was another spirit
2027
01:53:16,440 --> 01:53:19,100
in the home until the death
records finally came in
2028
01:53:19,100 --> 01:53:22,130
and a Victor,
- Holy.
2029
01:53:22,130 --> 01:53:25,170
- Yeah, a Victor passed
away here in the home.
2030
01:53:25,170 --> 01:53:27,170
So, that's what V-I-C was.
2031
01:53:27,170 --> 01:53:28,003
- A young boy?
2032
01:53:28,003 --> 01:53:28,836
- A young boy.
2033
01:53:28,836 --> 01:53:29,669
- Like what we just saw?
2034
01:53:29,669 --> 01:53:30,561
What I just showed you?
2035
01:53:30,561 --> 01:53:32,130
- Yes, and where you found it is
2036
01:53:32,130 --> 01:53:34,310
where it's been seen multiple times.
2037
01:53:34,310 --> 01:53:36,200
In Sabina's room.
2038
01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:40,650
She has sensed him standing by
the bed near her many times.
2039
01:53:40,650 --> 01:53:42,130
It's very attached to her, and I think
2040
01:53:42,130 --> 01:53:44,040
it's because when she moved in here,
2041
01:53:44,040 --> 01:53:46,250
they were similar in age.
2042
01:53:46,250 --> 01:53:48,130
But then once they used the spirit board,
2043
01:53:48,130 --> 01:53:50,700
something else was introduced in the home.
2044
01:53:50,700 --> 01:53:52,430
The activity started to change.
2045
01:53:52,430 --> 01:53:55,900
You know, slamming doors,
more aggressive behavior.
2046
01:53:55,900 --> 01:54:00,200
They believe that this
individual, this thing,
2047
01:54:00,200 --> 01:54:02,330
led Sabina out in the middle of the night
2048
01:54:02,330 --> 01:54:04,100
and was leading her to the road.
2049
01:54:04,100 --> 01:54:06,134
And you see how busy this road is here.
2050
01:54:06,134 --> 01:54:07,540
- Right.
2051
01:54:07,540 --> 01:54:08,850
- She wasn't sleepwalking.
2052
01:54:08,850 --> 01:54:10,264
She was aware the whole time.
2053
01:54:10,264 --> 01:54:12,681
(loud thump)
2054
01:54:16,650 --> 01:54:18,690
Did that come from up here?
2055
01:54:18,690 --> 01:54:19,840
Was that on this floor?
2056
01:54:22,930 --> 01:54:23,791
Give me it.
2057
01:54:23,791 --> 01:54:24,741
Give me the camera.
2058
01:54:25,985 --> 01:54:28,985
(suspenseful music)
2059
01:54:32,420 --> 01:54:34,363
- What the was that?
2060
01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:37,523
Holy freak.
2061
01:54:45,715 --> 01:54:48,382
(ominous music)
2062
01:54:59,080 --> 01:55:01,480
- I saw something a couple days ago,
2063
01:55:01,480 --> 01:55:02,730
you know, when you guys were here.
2064
01:55:02,730 --> 01:55:04,350
You had just left.
2065
01:55:04,350 --> 01:55:06,930
That I thought that you
guys might find interesting.
2066
01:55:06,930 --> 01:55:09,560
If you wanna come this way, I'll show you.
2067
01:55:09,560 --> 01:55:10,570
You know how you guys left.
2068
01:55:10,570 --> 01:55:12,370
It was pretty late.
2069
01:55:12,370 --> 01:55:14,620
And about five minutes after you left,
2070
01:55:14,620 --> 01:55:18,333
I was in here sitting on the chair.
2071
01:55:19,403 --> 01:55:23,283
I was gonna text my mom and
tell her I was on my way.
2072
01:55:24,770 --> 01:55:25,910
I was just sitting here.
2073
01:55:25,910 --> 01:55:30,810
And I kept hearing something upstairs.
2074
01:55:30,810 --> 01:55:32,820
My daughter was asleep on the couch.
2075
01:55:32,820 --> 01:55:37,373
And so, after hearing
it for about a minute,
2076
01:55:37,373 --> 01:55:39,880
I got up and went over there to see
2077
01:55:39,880 --> 01:55:42,830
if I could hear it
better, and I was actually
2078
01:55:42,830 --> 01:55:46,350
able to record the very
end of what I heard
2079
01:55:46,350 --> 01:55:49,580
since I had already had my
hand, my phone in my hand.
2080
01:55:49,580 --> 01:55:53,040
So, I can actually show
you what I got on tape
2081
01:55:53,040 --> 01:55:54,410
if you guys would like to see that.
2082
01:55:54,410 --> 01:55:55,310
- That'd be great.
2083
01:55:58,150 --> 01:56:00,660
- This is actually what I heard.
2084
01:56:00,660 --> 01:56:02,970
At first, I thought I was
hearing maybe the printer
2085
01:56:02,970 --> 01:56:07,044
or something trying to
go, but when I got closer.
2086
01:56:07,044 --> 01:56:09,720
(creaking sound)
2087
01:56:09,720 --> 01:56:11,383
You could hear the very end.
2088
01:56:13,630 --> 01:56:16,593
Of that, and for me.
2089
01:56:19,790 --> 01:56:21,710
- [Steve] So, is that the staircase, or?
2090
01:56:21,710 --> 01:56:24,400
- Well, at first I thought, oh, my gosh,
2091
01:56:24,400 --> 01:56:25,830
that's the door opening.
2092
01:56:25,830 --> 01:56:27,850
So, that really freaked me out.
2093
01:56:27,850 --> 01:56:29,610
It took me a few minutes to get up
2094
01:56:29,610 --> 01:56:32,090
enough courage to actually go up there.
2095
01:56:32,090 --> 01:56:33,930
And then, when I went to, I found out
2096
01:56:33,930 --> 01:56:36,230
the door was closed, so I went to open it.
2097
01:56:36,230 --> 01:56:38,510
And then, I thought it was the floor
2098
01:56:38,510 --> 01:56:41,180
because the top step is really creaky.
2099
01:56:41,180 --> 01:56:44,590
The next day my daughter and I were here,
2100
01:56:44,590 --> 01:56:46,690
and I let her listen to it.
2101
01:56:46,690 --> 01:56:51,400
And she said, "Ah, no, that's
dad's chair in his office."
2102
01:56:51,400 --> 01:56:54,760
So, we went up, and I sat in his chair
2103
01:56:54,760 --> 01:56:56,630
and moved around a little bit.
2104
01:56:56,630 --> 01:57:00,810
And it is actually his chair that you hear
2105
01:57:00,810 --> 01:57:03,800
and not the door or the floor.
2106
01:57:03,800 --> 01:57:04,990
- [Steve] And you're sure of that?
2107
01:57:04,990 --> 01:57:07,270
- Yeah, I mean, I can actually go ahead
2108
01:57:07,270 --> 01:57:10,278
and just show you what it sounds like.
2109
01:57:10,278 --> 01:57:11,506
- [Steve] Yeah, that'd be great.
2110
01:57:11,506 --> 01:57:14,550
- And you guys can hear if
it sounds like that to you.
2111
01:57:14,550 --> 01:57:15,460
- [Steve] You wanna
head up there with her?
2112
01:57:15,460 --> 01:57:17,070
And I'll stay down here and hear
2113
01:57:17,070 --> 01:57:18,611
if it sounds the same to me.
2114
01:57:18,611 --> 01:57:19,861
- [Jamie] Sure.
2115
01:57:20,870 --> 01:57:22,116
- [Steve] And you were
recording right here
2116
01:57:22,116 --> 01:57:23,119
at the bottom of these stairs?
2117
01:57:23,119 --> 01:57:26,786
- Yeah, I was at the
bottom of these stairs.
2118
01:57:33,080 --> 01:57:37,843
This would be the chair,
and if you sit in it,
2119
01:57:38,770 --> 01:57:40,760
and you lean back, it's not too bad.
2120
01:57:40,760 --> 01:57:42,301
But when you go to get out,
2121
01:57:42,301 --> 01:57:43,890
(chair creaking)
2122
01:57:43,890 --> 01:57:46,885
I mean, you can hear, it's pretty much.
2123
01:57:46,885 --> 01:57:49,190
(chair creaking)
2124
01:57:49,190 --> 01:57:50,536
- [Steve] That's the same sound.
2125
01:57:50,536 --> 01:57:51,776
- The same sound.
2126
01:57:51,776 --> 01:57:53,979
- [Steve] It's exactly the same.
2127
01:57:53,979 --> 01:57:58,979
- So, that's what I actually
heard the other night,
2128
01:57:59,700 --> 01:58:01,850
and it was literally not even
2129
01:58:01,850 --> 01:58:03,603
five minutes after you guys left.
2130
01:58:05,260 --> 01:58:06,665
It's kind of, it was like,
2131
01:58:06,665 --> 01:58:08,410
it felt like it was trying to taunt me,
2132
01:58:08,410 --> 01:58:12,110
scare me intentionally,
right after you guys left.
2133
01:58:12,110 --> 01:58:15,110
(suspenseful music)
2134
01:58:19,650 --> 01:58:20,640
- [Steve] So, why do you think it would
2135
01:58:20,640 --> 01:58:23,743
choose that location in the
house, I mean, Tom's office?
2136
01:58:25,380 --> 01:58:29,290
- You know, at the time I
really didn't think much of it.
2137
01:58:29,290 --> 01:58:31,880
It wasn't until actually a couple days
2138
01:58:31,880 --> 01:58:36,880
after I saw the image that we saw of.
2139
01:58:37,420 --> 01:58:38,940
- [Steve] Okay, from
the Iroquois technology?
2140
01:58:38,940 --> 01:58:40,110
- Yes.
2141
01:58:40,110 --> 01:58:44,410
After seeing that, a
couple days after that,
2142
01:58:44,410 --> 01:58:47,870
I kept thinking, gosh,
it looks like somebody.
2143
01:58:47,870 --> 01:58:50,700
Why does, who is that?
2144
01:58:50,700 --> 01:58:55,160
2:30 in the morning I sit
up, and I go, oh, my gosh.
2145
01:58:55,160 --> 01:58:56,930
I know who this is.
2146
01:58:56,930 --> 01:59:01,550
And when I just thought about the timing
2147
01:59:01,550 --> 01:59:03,140
from when everything started
2148
01:59:04,700 --> 01:59:07,370
and all the things that led up to that.
2149
01:59:07,370 --> 01:59:08,830
We had a friend in the family
2150
01:59:08,830 --> 01:59:11,113
that we kinda had a falling out,
2151
01:59:12,060 --> 01:59:14,560
and we never really got to reconcile
2152
01:59:14,560 --> 01:59:15,833
before they passed away.
2153
01:59:19,500 --> 01:59:21,250
That's who I think it is.
2154
01:59:21,250 --> 01:59:23,750
- So, the image looked
that much like this person?
2155
01:59:24,630 --> 01:59:26,953
- Yes, to me, it did.
2156
01:59:27,820 --> 01:59:32,450
And, yeah, like I said,
we never got to reconcile.
2157
01:59:32,450 --> 01:59:36,220
There was some, you know, bad feelings
2158
01:59:36,220 --> 01:59:37,573
at the time they passed.
2159
01:59:38,500 --> 01:59:40,840
And that was right about the same time
2160
01:59:40,840 --> 01:59:44,940
shortly before things started
to get really weird here.
2161
01:59:44,940 --> 01:59:47,390
- The activity that's been taking place,
2162
01:59:47,390 --> 01:59:49,040
does that, I mean, does that also
2163
01:59:49,040 --> 01:59:50,725
have any hallmarks of this person?
2164
01:59:50,725 --> 01:59:52,932
I mean, now that you're
putting it together?
2165
01:59:52,932 --> 01:59:55,320
- Well, yeah, yeah, I mean.
2166
01:59:55,320 --> 01:59:58,450
The people that it seems to be going after
2167
01:59:58,450 --> 02:00:02,100
are the people that
they had a problem with.
2168
02:00:02,100 --> 02:00:06,090
And, you know, you know, really
2169
02:00:06,940 --> 02:00:10,950
focusing on our daughter kind of says,
2170
02:00:10,950 --> 02:00:13,950
we're gonna mess with the one
thing that's important to you.
2171
02:00:15,200 --> 02:00:18,623
It sounds like that's
something that they would do.
2172
02:00:19,960 --> 02:00:21,340
- Wow.
2173
02:00:21,340 --> 02:00:22,870
I mean, I'm kinda speechless right now.
2174
02:00:22,870 --> 02:00:25,290
That pretty much changes the direction
2175
02:00:25,290 --> 02:00:26,610
of everything we've been looking into.
2176
02:00:26,610 --> 02:00:28,780
We thought perhaps
through the spirit board,
2177
02:00:28,780 --> 02:00:31,850
through the grave dug up outside.
2178
02:00:31,850 --> 02:00:33,580
- That was actually what we had thought,
2179
02:00:33,580 --> 02:00:35,113
or I had thought for a while,
2180
02:00:36,080 --> 02:00:39,590
but after seeing the, the Iroquois image,
2181
02:00:39,590 --> 02:00:41,230
then going back through the timing
2182
02:00:41,230 --> 02:00:43,810
of when everything started, it actually
2183
02:00:43,810 --> 02:00:46,380
makes the most sense to me
2184
02:00:46,380 --> 02:00:49,823
because the timing is almost perfect.
2185
02:00:51,320 --> 02:00:56,120
- Well, we had, we had
something planned tonight
2186
02:00:56,120 --> 02:00:58,470
that I was gonna do alone, but I'm almost
2187
02:00:58,470 --> 02:01:00,300
wondering with this revelation
2188
02:01:00,300 --> 02:01:02,453
if maybe you would join me with it.
2189
02:01:03,420 --> 02:01:05,800
It's kinda hard to explain, but would you?
2190
02:01:05,800 --> 02:01:08,163
- (chuckling) Okay, it depends what it is.
2191
02:01:09,810 --> 02:01:12,011
- [Steve] Why don't we show her actually?
2192
02:01:12,011 --> 02:01:13,320
- [Jamie] Yeah.
2193
02:01:13,320 --> 02:01:15,212
- [Steve] Yeah, here, come with me.
2194
02:01:15,212 --> 02:01:16,882
- [Stephanie] Okay.
2195
02:01:16,882 --> 02:01:19,382
(eerie music)
2196
02:01:29,030 --> 02:01:30,210
- Stephanie, first of all, thanks
2197
02:01:30,210 --> 02:01:32,290
for agreeing to sit here
and do this with me.
2198
02:01:32,290 --> 02:01:33,810
I had already planned on doing this,
2199
02:01:33,810 --> 02:01:36,410
but when you revealed the information
2200
02:01:36,410 --> 02:01:37,860
that you revealed to us tonight,
2201
02:01:37,860 --> 02:01:40,060
I think you're gonna be the key here.
2202
02:01:40,060 --> 02:01:42,160
Obviously, we don't know the person
2203
02:01:42,160 --> 02:01:43,720
which you're speaking about or exactly
2204
02:01:43,720 --> 02:01:45,150
what the circumstances are.
2205
02:01:45,150 --> 02:01:49,400
But if you are that sure
after seeing that image
2206
02:01:49,400 --> 02:01:52,900
that it is that person,
and perhaps the grievances,
2207
02:01:52,900 --> 02:01:54,490
or the vendetta, there match
2208
02:01:54,490 --> 02:01:56,400
some of the actions in the house,
2209
02:01:56,400 --> 02:01:57,530
I feel like you're key.
2210
02:01:57,530 --> 02:02:00,923
So, I guess we can go ahead
and start with that one there.
2211
02:02:12,510 --> 02:02:16,400
Victor, while we were setting up in here,
2212
02:02:16,400 --> 02:02:19,070
Stephanie had thought she saw
2213
02:02:19,070 --> 02:02:21,570
somebody around your height
peeking in the hallway
2214
02:02:21,570 --> 02:02:23,513
around a semi-open door.
2215
02:02:24,440 --> 02:02:26,800
And moments ago, I thought
I had seen something
2216
02:02:26,800 --> 02:02:30,060
over here peeking behind this other easel.
2217
02:02:30,060 --> 02:02:32,740
So, if you're here with us, that's great
2218
02:02:32,740 --> 02:02:36,970
because we have a message
from Stephanie here
2219
02:02:36,970 --> 02:02:38,430
who would like to speak with you
2220
02:02:38,430 --> 02:02:42,740
and really tell you her feelings
and her family's feelings
2221
02:02:42,740 --> 02:02:44,763
about you being here in this house.
2222
02:02:47,770 --> 02:02:50,010
- Well, first, you know, nobody here
2223
02:02:50,010 --> 02:02:52,580
hates you or anything like that.
2224
02:02:52,580 --> 02:02:55,690
I mean, obviously, we
have, you've done things
2225
02:02:55,690 --> 02:02:59,450
that have startled Sabina especially.
2226
02:02:59,450 --> 02:03:04,170
We prefer you to be with your family.
2227
02:03:04,170 --> 02:03:07,730
I just know that, you
know, if he were my son,
2228
02:03:07,730 --> 02:03:11,010
I would definitely want him
to come to wherever I was.
2229
02:03:11,010 --> 02:03:14,710
I would love for him to just
go to be with his family.
2230
02:03:14,710 --> 02:03:16,620
I would think that would
make him so much happier
2231
02:03:16,620 --> 02:03:21,240
than being here with us since, you know,
2232
02:03:21,240 --> 02:03:23,170
we don't really know him.
2233
02:03:23,170 --> 02:03:25,620
- We really feel it's time for you to go
2234
02:03:25,620 --> 02:03:27,570
and be with others that are like you
2235
02:03:27,570 --> 02:03:29,010
because I promise you there'll be
2236
02:03:29,010 --> 02:03:31,640
way more people there than there are here.
2237
02:03:31,640 --> 02:03:34,840
Family, friends, there's a lot more
2238
02:03:34,840 --> 02:03:38,040
than the 6000 plus
square feet in this home.
2239
02:03:38,040 --> 02:03:41,070
All that being said,
when it comes to Victor,
2240
02:03:41,070 --> 02:03:45,260
you don't feel the same about
what else is in this house.
2241
02:03:45,260 --> 02:03:49,660
- No, no, not at all.
(gentle piano music)
2242
02:03:49,660 --> 02:03:51,253
- So, if you would like to.
2243
02:03:52,284 --> 02:03:55,951
(somber instrumental music)
2244
02:04:02,506 --> 02:04:04,020
- [Steve] It's disturbing to even look at.
2245
02:04:04,020 --> 02:04:05,643
- Yes, yes, it is.
2246
02:04:07,090 --> 02:04:07,923
Oh.
2247
02:04:10,090 --> 02:04:12,980
- You know, to me, the image is,
2248
02:04:12,980 --> 02:04:14,200
it is disturbing.
2249
02:04:14,200 --> 02:04:19,200
It's scary, but I can't
imagine what you go through
2250
02:04:19,280 --> 02:04:22,785
because you know who
that looks like to you.
2251
02:04:22,785 --> 02:04:25,380
And you've basically matched it, you know,
2252
02:04:25,380 --> 02:04:29,200
identically with photos of said individual
2253
02:04:30,410 --> 02:04:32,343
with the composite of this.
2254
02:04:32,343 --> 02:04:34,543
So, how does this make you feel?
2255
02:04:36,790 --> 02:04:38,320
- It's disappointing.
2256
02:04:38,320 --> 02:04:39,153
I don't know.
2257
02:04:39,153 --> 02:04:43,550
You would think in death you
would want to be at peace.
2258
02:04:43,550 --> 02:04:48,550
Instead you would go
somewhere and create unrest
2259
02:04:49,740 --> 02:04:54,133
for other people and not let
yourself find that peace.
2260
02:04:55,260 --> 02:04:59,640
And it's, it's disappointing
that it would choose
2261
02:05:00,551 --> 02:05:05,340
to use Sabina as the main tool.
2262
02:05:07,410 --> 02:05:08,820
Sabina is young.
2263
02:05:08,820 --> 02:05:10,890
She doesn't understand.
2264
02:05:10,890 --> 02:05:15,070
As a parent, I'm sure,
as a parent you know
2265
02:05:15,070 --> 02:05:18,840
that it wouldn't matter
what anybody did to you.
2266
02:05:18,840 --> 02:05:19,673
You could deal with it.
2267
02:05:19,673 --> 02:05:22,230
But when they start
messin' with your kids,
2268
02:05:22,230 --> 02:05:26,100
why would you choose to come and disturb
2269
02:05:26,100 --> 02:05:30,480
and just be so angry still
2270
02:05:31,380 --> 02:05:36,050
instead of going and crossing
over and finding peace.
2271
02:05:36,050 --> 02:05:38,190
Everything is in the past now.
2272
02:05:38,190 --> 02:05:41,400
We don't hold any grudges, any vengeance.
2273
02:05:41,400 --> 02:05:45,410
I'm not angry about
anything that transpired.
2274
02:05:45,410 --> 02:05:47,860
Sometimes people say things and do things
2275
02:05:47,860 --> 02:05:49,810
that they regret later.
2276
02:05:49,810 --> 02:05:52,440
Sometimes, you know, you don't get
2277
02:05:52,440 --> 02:05:55,823
the chance to say, I'm sorry.
2278
02:05:59,750 --> 02:06:04,750
And you hope that they in
their last moments forgave you,
2279
02:06:05,200 --> 02:06:06,937
and it doesn't feel like that happened.
2280
02:06:06,937 --> 02:06:11,080
You know, to think that
something would take my child
2281
02:06:12,320 --> 02:06:15,173
and possibly harm them like that.
2282
02:06:18,750 --> 02:06:21,023
I can't imagine somebody being that angry.
2283
02:06:22,210 --> 02:06:24,840
- I think we both know that whatever else
2284
02:06:24,840 --> 02:06:27,820
is in this house is always watching.
2285
02:06:27,820 --> 02:06:29,660
It always is aware.
2286
02:06:29,660 --> 02:06:34,380
Would you care to try to maybe
address the room if you will
2287
02:06:34,380 --> 02:06:39,183
and really let it know how
you feel and where you stand?
2288
02:06:40,920 --> 02:06:43,630
- Okay, well, I guess the first thing
2289
02:06:43,630 --> 02:06:46,330
that you need to know is we don't,
2290
02:06:46,330 --> 02:06:49,120
we don't harbor any ill will.
2291
02:06:49,120 --> 02:06:49,953
Things happen.
2292
02:06:49,953 --> 02:06:50,786
People say things.
2293
02:06:50,786 --> 02:06:51,890
People do things.
2294
02:06:51,890 --> 02:06:56,720
We don't have any animosity, any ill will,
2295
02:06:56,720 --> 02:06:58,450
or anything, even for the things
2296
02:06:58,450 --> 02:07:01,180
that have happened since then.
2297
02:07:01,180 --> 02:07:02,860
You're angry, I get it.
2298
02:07:02,860 --> 02:07:05,410
And you need, you need to go.
2299
02:07:05,410 --> 02:07:07,650
You need to go, cross over.
2300
02:07:07,650 --> 02:07:09,590
You need to go find peace.
2301
02:07:09,590 --> 02:07:12,070
You need to leave the family alone.
2302
02:07:12,070 --> 02:07:13,820
You can't stay here.
2303
02:07:13,820 --> 02:07:15,340
Sabina deserves better.
2304
02:07:15,340 --> 02:07:18,210
We deserve better, and you deserve better.
2305
02:07:18,210 --> 02:07:20,283
So, you just need to go.
2306
02:07:22,190 --> 02:07:23,450
- Listening to what you just said,
2307
02:07:23,450 --> 02:07:26,470
it seems that you're very adamant
2308
02:07:26,470 --> 02:07:28,160
about this, which you should be.
2309
02:07:28,160 --> 02:07:30,800
And I know that there is some anger there,
2310
02:07:30,800 --> 02:07:34,150
but I also hear that
there's forgiveness there.
2311
02:07:34,150 --> 02:07:36,930
- Well, it's not so much,
it's anger, but not really.
2312
02:07:36,930 --> 02:07:37,763
It's not anger.
2313
02:07:39,404 --> 02:07:43,900
It's, it's scares the heck
out of Sabina, you know?
2314
02:07:43,900 --> 02:07:47,820
I just want her to able
to go to sleep in her room
2315
02:07:47,820 --> 02:07:50,820
and not have to be scared about where
2316
02:07:50,820 --> 02:07:52,610
she's gonna end up by morning.
2317
02:07:52,610 --> 02:07:55,140
I mean, that's not fair to her.
2318
02:07:55,140 --> 02:07:56,740
And so, it's not so much anger.
2319
02:07:56,740 --> 02:08:00,450
It's just fear for my child.
2320
02:08:00,450 --> 02:08:03,170
- For anybody watching this out there
2321
02:08:03,170 --> 02:08:06,910
that is skeptical of the paranormal,
2322
02:08:06,910 --> 02:08:10,420
of ghosts being real, what
would you say to them?
2323
02:08:10,420 --> 02:08:11,973
- That was me.
2324
02:08:13,273 --> 02:08:14,943
I was the skeptic.
2325
02:08:16,620 --> 02:08:19,310
When you experience it,
it's a whole different,
2326
02:08:19,310 --> 02:08:21,410
it's a whole different ball game.
2327
02:08:21,410 --> 02:08:23,290
- So, where do we go from here?
2328
02:08:23,290 --> 02:08:27,780
We're gonna be out of this house tonight.
2329
02:08:27,780 --> 02:08:29,500
We've been here for weeks, you know,
2330
02:08:29,500 --> 02:08:31,330
with the preliminary investigation
2331
02:08:31,330 --> 02:08:33,220
and all the nights of investigating.
2332
02:08:33,220 --> 02:08:35,920
How do you feel knowing
that we're gonna leave,
2333
02:08:35,920 --> 02:08:40,700
and you guys are gonna, you
know, come back to the house?
2334
02:08:40,700 --> 02:08:42,530
- You know, it's a little apprehensive.
2335
02:08:42,530 --> 02:08:45,403
I know Sabina's not super excited.
2336
02:08:47,830 --> 02:08:51,190
You know, after seeing that, you know,
2337
02:08:51,190 --> 02:08:56,063
just the image alone for her
was enough to, to terrify her.
2338
02:08:57,720 --> 02:08:59,913
But, you know, hopefully,
2339
02:09:02,190 --> 02:09:05,120
they reflected and said, you know,
2340
02:09:05,120 --> 02:09:07,113
maybe it is my time to go.
2341
02:09:08,410 --> 02:09:09,833
That's what our hope is.
2342
02:09:11,900 --> 02:09:14,100
- Well, we're always one phone call away.
2343
02:09:14,100 --> 02:09:16,750
I guess in closing, for anybody out there
2344
02:09:16,750 --> 02:09:19,670
that is dealing with
something like you guys
2345
02:09:19,670 --> 02:09:22,550
are dealing with, what word
of advice would you give
2346
02:09:22,550 --> 02:09:25,823
to an individual or a family
living with a haunting?
2347
02:09:27,210 --> 02:09:29,660
- When you get something like this,
2348
02:09:29,660 --> 02:09:33,110
my best advice is try to
find somebody to help you
2349
02:09:34,780 --> 02:09:38,633
get it, get rid of it because
it doesn't get better.
2350
02:09:40,290 --> 02:09:42,920
Ignoring it doesn't make it go away.
2351
02:09:42,920 --> 02:09:45,420
Pretending it's not there
doesn't make it go away.
2352
02:09:46,580 --> 02:09:49,030
Find somebody that will
help you make it go away.
2353
02:09:53,727 --> 02:09:56,394
(ominous music)
2354
02:10:04,331 --> 02:10:06,831
(eerie music)
2355
02:10:31,878 --> 02:10:35,295
(intense dramatic music)
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