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male narrator:On September 8th, 1966,
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America tunes in to catcha glimpse of the future
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and launchesa global phenomenon.
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A television serieslike no other
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that unites usin its vision
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of a better world to come.
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- Here's a group of people who
are solving problems together,
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and they're all different,diverse people.
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narrator: This is the secrethistory of "Star Trek."
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It's epic 50-year mission.
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- That was what was so brilliant
about "Star Trek"
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was that it was human natureand human instinct
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and the drive to wantto know more
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combined with adventure.
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narrator: The mastermindof the "Star Trek" universe.
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- And Gene says, "Do you want
to be on Star Trek?"
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I said, "Yes.
Yes!"
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narrator: The cast and crewreveal the stories
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you've never heard.
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- Roddenberry looked
at the beard and goes,
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"I love the beard.
It's nautical."
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narrator: Plus Leonard Nimoy'sfinal full interview.
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- If I were given the choice
of any character
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ever portrayed on television,
I would choose Spock.
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- Happy anniversary,
"Star Trek."
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Happy 50th.
Wow, way to go.
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- Before anybody elsewere touching on subjects,
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racism, segregation,
discrimination,
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before any otherTV shows did.
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- "Star Trek: Voyager"
is probably my first acting job.
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- There's an optimism to it
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that I think we've never needed
more than now.
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- Seven of Nine's one of my
favorite "Star Trek" characters
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because she was so hot.
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narrator: Featuring an intimateconversation with cast members,
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comedians, scientists,and academics
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covering all things"Star Trek."
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- That was one of my big fears
in accepting the role.
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- Happy 50th anniversary,
"Star Trek."
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You know how old
that makes me?
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narrator:"50 Years of 'Star Trek."
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- We're here on the 50thanniversary of "Star Trek"
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at the Griffith Observatory
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outsidethe Leonard Nimoy theater
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to discuss "Star Trek"
with a lot of great people
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and a lot of fine minds
and Kevin Pollak.
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Let's just jump
right into it.
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Let's talk about the general
impact of "Star Trek."
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- The great sense of discovery
and curiosity
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on this five-year mission
to seek out new worlds.
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You know, those--those--
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that phraseology
was kind of impactful.
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- "The Measure of Man"
where Data's on trial,
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that's the episode that led me
to create my class.
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- Oh, wow.
- Because it has references
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to slavery in it,
and I thought about,
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"Gee,
this is very interesting."
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You know, there's a whole
pro-slavery argument.
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It's really the Dred Scott
decision worked out there.
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- Yeah.
- Is Data property or not?
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- I saw a couple episodes
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of the original series
when I was a kid
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because you can't not
have seen some things.
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I saw the Tribble episode,
I think,
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and I saw the planet of kids,
"grups."
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And they were saying,
"Grups, grups," that one.
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Whatever.
- Yeah.
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- But I was never a sci-fi fan,
so I wasn't into it.
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And I never watched
any of the other incarnations
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until I was on the show.
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- I saw "Star Trek" as this,
you know,
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amazing way of bringing humanity
together, right?
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You had the height
of the Cold War.
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You had Russian and American
people working together.
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You had black people and white
people working together.
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That's an incredible thing
to see as a kid
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when, you know,
you're from two worlds
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that really also
don't get along.
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- I first started
on the original series,
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my mother was a big fan,
and those were reruns
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that were happening
at the time.
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It was right before
"Next Generation" started
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and it was--I just always
was fascinated
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by Dr. McCoy's grumpiness.
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That relationship with Spock
I thought was amazing.
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He just was, like,
"I can't stand you,
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but I love you."
- Yeah.
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- And I was like,
"Oh, that's my family."
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I understand everything
from "Star Trek."
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- Yes.
- You know, it's funny
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because I wasn't allowed
to watch TV
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when "Star Trek"
was on the air.
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My parents wouldn't let me
watch it.
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So I snuck downstairs
and I turned on the TV.
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And, uh, that was my first--
the first time I saw the show.
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I think it was, um,
"This Side of Paradise"
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was the episode.
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- And you could tell
that whoever was doing the show
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was a science fiction fan.
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narrator: "Star Trek" beginsas the brainchild of one man,
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Gene Roddenberry,a former World War II pilot
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and policemanturned screenwriter.
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His first television seriespremieres in 1963,
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and features a few facesthat will soon become familiar
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to "Trek" fans.
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- He was a big man,enthusiastic.
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He really, really lovedproducing a show,
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which he had never donebefore.
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He created "The Lieutenant."
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- It was "The Lieutenant."
It was his first big TV show.
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And he cast me.
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- I had acted in an episode of a
series called "The Lieutenant"
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that was producedby Gene Roddenberry.
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My agent called me and said,"He's interested in you
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for a science fiction pilot
that he's gonna produce.
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narrator: "The Lieutenant" runsfor just one season,
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but Roddenberry's alreadyworking on a bigger idea.
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In 1964, he begins pitchinga series about a starship
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with a multi-ethnic crew.
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- I had worked for him directly
when his secretary was ill.
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And he knew that I hadsold some things
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that I wanted to be a writer,a full-time writer.
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And he called me into hisoffice and said,
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"What do you think of this?"
And he showed me
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about a 10-12 page piece
that was called "Star Trek."
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- Well, he had done...
both: "The Lieutenant."
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- I went in to do a pitchon a story.
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Somehow or another,he asked if I was interested
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in doing "Star Trek."
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I said, "Yeah,
I would be interested in that."
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- And I went home,
and I read it,
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and I came back the next day,
and I said,
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"Who plays Mr. Spock."
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- The script was very good,
very good.
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I didn't quite understand
how it was gonna work
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as a television show
because it was so unique.
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It was really quite special.
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But it was
a very intelligent script.
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It had layers of ideas in it
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that you didn't often get
in television.
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- Roddenberry
was very inspired
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by Jonathan Swift's
"Gulliver's Travels."
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And wanted to tell stories
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that you couldn't
normally tell on television
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through the prism
of science fiction.
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- He was such a complexand interesting man.
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Very bright,very bright.
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Hard-working.
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Tough job, tough job.
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Particularly getting
"Star Trek" right
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the first couple of seasons.
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To get it--to get it
what he wanted it to be.
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- They didn't think there was
a big enough audience out there.
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They thought it was gonna be
sci-fi kooks and kids.
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And they didn't think they could
make enough money
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from their sponsors
to put these on in prime-time.
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Well, they had put on "Voyageto the Bottom of the Sea"
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in fall of '64,winning its timeslot for ABC.
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Fall of '65, he puts on"Lost In Space" on CBS.
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It's winning its timeslotfor CBS.
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That was when they made
the decision to put it on
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for the fall of '66.
NBC wants one.
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They felt they were missingthe boat.
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narrator:President John F. Kennedy
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issues a challenge:
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To put a man on the moonbefore the end of the decade.
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The space race heats upas America looks to the stars.
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And one unlikely supportersees an opportunity.
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- Well, "Star Trek" may be
the first TV show
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I can really remember.
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"Star Trek"
and "Mission: Impossible."
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In fact, the both--the two great
Desilu productions.
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- The other player
in "Star Trek"
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and get it on the air
was Lucille Ball
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with Desilu Studios.
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- It was Lucille Ball who said,
"Let's make this."
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- That studio was builton reruns.
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And when "I Love Lucy"
was in production,
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they wanted to film it
here in LA.
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So they said, "We'll pay the
difference and film this
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if we can have
the rerun rights."
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And the answer
from Harry Ackerman at CBS was,
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"What's a rerun?"
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Nobody had ever rerun anything
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They shot it live,
it was gone.
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And "Star Trek"
was brought in.
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And Lucy said, "I think that
could rerun for ten years.
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Well, here we are
50 years later.
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"I Love Lucy" is still onfive days a week
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in every cityaround the country.
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And probably the second mostrerun show
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in the history of televisionis "Star Trek."
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Let's give her credit,
Lucy loved "Star Trek."
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And we wouldn't have had
"Star Trek" without Lucy,
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so we love Lucy.
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- You know, my father passed
away when I was 17.
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He's got such a legacyand he's touched so many people
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that I've learned a great dealabout him after his passing.
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You know, he was a bomber pilotin World War II.
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He flew something like, uh,is it 79 or 89 missions.
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My father had seen the best
of humanity
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and he'd seen the worst
of humanity.
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But I think that really helped
shape his view
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of "Star Trek"
and that better future.
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narrator: The pilot episode of"Star Trek" is filmed in 1965,
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introducing the worldto what would become
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one of the most iconiccharacters of all time,
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Mr. Spock.
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- And he shoved a picture
of Leonard Nimoy
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across the desk at me.
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At that point,
he was a Martian first officer.
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- He said a characterwith pointed ears,
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and that set me back
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I had to think
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- Leonard was an actor.
He was a real actor.
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- And he walked me through
the various departments.
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He showed me where they were
making the props.
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He showed me where the sets
were being designed,
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the design for the Enterprise,the ship.
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And I realized that he wasselling me on this job.
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And that's the way
it would happen.
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narrator: The network ordersa new "Star Trek" pilot.
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Spock stays on board,
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but the Enterprise getsan entirely new crew,
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including a brash,young captain,
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James T. Kirk.
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- William Shatner had Kirk down
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from act one, scene one,
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and he played that throughright till the end
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in "Star Trek: Generations"in 1994.
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- You know, Shatner,
who's totally nailing the part,
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but DeForest Kelley,
the person that Gene wanted
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from the beginning
for Dr. McCoy.
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- Scotty felt like he wasa little more fully formed
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as a character.
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There was an empathy withJimmy Doohan's performance.
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We just liked Scotty. You wanted
to hang out with Scotty.
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You wanted to go have a drink in
the bar with Scotty, you know?
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- It's a very hallowed
and beloved thing
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that you don't want
to mess up.
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I feel honored
to play Scotty.
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I will always deferto the greatest Scotty ever,
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which was James Doohan,
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but if I can do half as good as
he did, then I'll be happy.
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- George Takei, who plays
Mr. Sulu, sat at the helm.
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- An Asian man
on a show like this,
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you seldom saw
anything like that.
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And here he was,
a man with responsibilities.
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He was the helmsman.
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- Everyone, Nichelle,
just beautiful and smart
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and an incredible role model
as Uhura.
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- I think the first memory
of "Star Trek" really was going,
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"Oh, look..."
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"There's a black lady
in the future."
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And this wasthe first time I knew
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we would be in the future.
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- Later on,Walter Koenig as Chekov.
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- If the circumstances
hadn't fallen the way they did,
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if things hadn't happened
the way they did,
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then I probably never
been in for the role
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of Chekov on "Star Trek."
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I read one line.
He says, "You got the part."
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And that was the partof a Russian.
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- Who had a Russian
on the show?
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We were still just reaching out
trying to make contact
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with Russia
in a friendly sense.
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- To bring these people together
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created the magic
that is "Star Trek."
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- From day one, we got along...
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just like that.
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narrator: With the castand crew assembled,
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the Enterprise is nearly readyto begin its mission.
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But Roddenberry knowssomething is missing.
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- G.R. said, "I gotta doan opening for the show."
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So he said,"You take a shot at it,
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I'll take a shot at it,we'll see what happens."
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- It was, "Space...
the final frontier,"
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was yours, wasn't it?
- Yeah.
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"The final frontier."
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- "Space...
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"the final frontier.
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- So it was some Roddenberry,
it was some Black.
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We came out with...
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"Boldly go where no man
has gone before."
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- To boldly go where no manhas gone before.
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narrator:NBC premieres "Star Trek"
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on a Thursday nightin the fall of 1966.
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- Well, the first episode
of "Star Trek," "The Man Trap,"
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had 47% audience share.
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Lucy wrote a memo
to Gene Roddenberry saying,
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"Congratulations, boys,you're a hit."
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- Back in the late '60s,
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what "Star Trek" was doing
on television was cutting edge.
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It was ahead of its time.
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- This was the first time we saw
a miniskirt on television.
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"Star Trek" premieredin September of '66,
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the mini made its debutin London
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in the summer of '66and had not made it to America.
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He was way aheadof his time.
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- It was also
a science fiction series
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that took the subject matter
very seriously.
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narrator: "Star Trek" is unlikeanything on television
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at the time,but what makes it unique
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also threatensto destroy it.
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Coming up,the end of "Star Trek"
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is just the beginning.
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narrator:"Star Trek" premieres in 1966,
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and instantly becomes one ofthe most ground-breaking series
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in the history of television.
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Gene Roddenberry's vision
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is a sign of changing timesin America.
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- A story about a hopeful future
made in a difficult time.
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The times were tough.
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The war in Vietnam, the racial
issues that were happening,
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riots in the streets,riots at political conventions.
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People were angry and upset
and nervous and concerned.
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And it was this thing
that said, "Hey,
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"in the future we have a way
of dealing with these issues.
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"It's gonna be okay.
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"Here's a group of people whoare solving problems together.
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And they're all different,diverse people."
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narrator: "Star Trek"tackles the most pressing
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social issues of its day.
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- We had the one
where Uhura and Kirk kissed.
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That, I think, was more of--
I mean, I think that was great.
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And the people in the South,
there were probably
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a lot of people jumping out
of windows at that.
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- The director was nervous.
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The front office at Paramountwas nervous,
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which was just dumb, you know,
then don't do it,
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which is what I said.
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And they went,
"You don't want to do it?"
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I said, "I want to do it.
It's written in the script.
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It's a great scene."
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This is the first interracialkiss on television.
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- They were writing some pretty
major stuff in those days.
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I mean, very eloquent writers.
Very knowledgeable.
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- They did "Mark of Gideon,"
which got a lot of flack,
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about birth control,
overpopulation.
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'Cause nobody had talkedabout that on TV
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up until that point.
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NBC was disappointed with"Star Trek" from the get-go,
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but the rating were not bad
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and the fan mail was huge.
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"Star Trek" is doing things
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that a lot of the affiliateswere uncomfortable with,
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so they kept moving it
from one bad slot to another
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until they finally put it
in the death slot
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to get rid of this show.
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That is what killed"Star Trek."
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narrator:The original series is canceled
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after 3 seasonsand 79 episodes.
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But it's gaineda cult following
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that's become undeniable.
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Within four years,"Trek" is back on the air.
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This time reaching a newgeneration of young fans.
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- My first contact with
"Star Trek"
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was probably watching
the animated series
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on Saturday morning TVin the early '70s.
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And, you know, I was reallystruck by the, you know,
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the bright colorsof the uniforms.
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- The fans were very wary.
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In fact, some of the cast
was wary too.
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They felt, "Hey, 'Star Trek'
is starting to get momentum.
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"We think there could be
more life in this.
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But if we do a cartoon,
it's gonna kill it."
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And Gene Roddenberrywas very cagey and very smart.
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He says, "No,this will fan the flames.
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This will keep it alive
rather than let it disappear."
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And he was right.
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- It sounds funny
for saying this,
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but it has never been canceled.
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You know, um, we were just off
longer than we wanted to be.
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- So then we have the '70s,right, '70s hit.
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Everyone went to see
that "Star Wars" situation.
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I think we can make some money.
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- So you had a TV script that
was being padded out
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into a motion picture.
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They took themselves
a little too seriously
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and they were trying to be
a little more like, "2001."
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Then they brought in
Robert Wise
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because he was known
as a big-time movie director.
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- There never
really been a movie
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years after a show
was canceled.
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"Star Trek" would bethe beginning
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of that phenomena,which--now, you know,
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well, unceasing phenomena.
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- When we came back to do
the first really big one
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that we did
after being away so long,
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it was amazing.
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narrator:"Star Trek: The Motion Picture"
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hits theatersin December of 1979.
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But the casthas its doubts.
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- So Robert Wisewas a very good filmmaker.
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He was a multiple AcademyAward-winning director,
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but he did not know
"Star Trek."
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- We sat down to watch
that first movie
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and the beginning was great.
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Dat-dat-dat-dat-dat-dat-dat.
Bum-bum-bum-bum.
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And then it suddenly becamea talking heads movie.
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Where was the friction?Where was the conflict?
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Where was the passion?
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- It had very little to dowith "Star Trek."
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You had the spaceship,the Enterprise.
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You had the crew.
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But the story
had very little to do
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with anything "Star Trek-y."
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The characters were not
in shape, in place,
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playing off of each other
and with each other
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the way we did best.
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- Why are they wearingpajamas?
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Why, you know, does it looklike they're in a Holiday Inn?
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So a lot of what"The Wrath of Khan"
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proved to be about
aesthetically
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and maybe even
intellectually as well
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was a reaction to what I saw.
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- And for a movie that was
so poorly received,
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we had done extremely well.
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To my great surprise,they said, "Star Trek II."
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narrator: "The Wrath of Khan"becomes an instant classic.
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It's villain is a geneticallyengineered superhuman,
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who first appeared inthe original series
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bent on revengeagainst Captain Kirk.
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- "Wrath of Khan"
is a classic.
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I mean, "Wrath of Khan"
just works on every level.
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You know, it just does.
It's pop entertainment.
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It's a fan's dream.
It's fun. It's funny.
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The visual effects
are state of the art
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and really hold upeven to this day.
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Those space battlesare fantastic.
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- Montalban was
a charismatic actor.
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He really gave usthis wonderful performance.
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It was theatrical,imaginative, creative
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performance as Khanin "Star Trek II."
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And he looked great.
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And that was his chestthat people thought
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had been built upwith makeup or something.
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That was him, you know?
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It was really
Ricardo Montalban.
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- That's his chest.It's his chest.
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Gives you an idea
of "Star Trek-ian" scholarship
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that that's the most, you know,
frequently asked question.
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narrator:Behind the scenes,
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the cast didn't alwaysget along.
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- I had immediately had
a good rapport with Nick Meyer,
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but as we went throughseveral rehearsals
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working with the camera,
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Shatner would come over to me
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and start tryingto redirect me.
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Is the word given, Admiral?
- The word is given.
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- So I finally said,"Can I stop for a second?"
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Nick said to me,"What's the matter, Ike?"
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I said,"Well, I'm getting direction
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"from other people on the set,
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"and it's making mevery uncomfortable.
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"I just want to make sure
I'm doing my job correctly,
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So I'm listening to you."
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And he said,
"That's right.
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You're listening to me.
We good?"
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I said, "We're good.
Thank you very much."
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And I just stood back.
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No one else ever said anythingto me again after that.
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narrator: Khan uses mindcontrol to achieve his ends,
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delivered in a gruesome way.
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- They're young.
Enter through the ears.
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And wrap themselves
around the cerebral cortex.
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- Yeah, well, that was fun.
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You know,being on the other end of that.
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What it was,
it was a stunt bug.
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No, it wasn't a stunt bug.
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It was--it was a little thing
that had
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a little rubbery plastic
thing,
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and they had a fine filament
thread attached to it.
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It was very hard to see.
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When it was going upmy face,
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there was actually a guystanding above me,
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and they had drilled a hole
in my helmet,
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and he was pulling it up
my face on that filament.
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And when they got
to my ear,
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and them I made
all those screams,
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really unbecoming an officer,
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but they--that's what
they wanted.
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narrator: But there is onescene that has become
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the defining momentin "The Wrath of Khan."
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- I read that script
and I saw the conflict,
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and I saw the passion
in it,
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and when I saw the scene whereSpock tries to save the ship
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and dies in the process,I said,
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"This is a good,good film."
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00:21:36,195 --> 00:21:37,561
- I really believed
that this was going to be
495
00:21:37,663 --> 00:21:39,163
the final "Star Trek" movie.
496
00:21:39,265 --> 00:21:42,733
So I thought if "Star Trek"is coming to an end,
497
00:21:42,835 --> 00:21:45,569
maybe it's fittingthat Spock should die
498
00:21:45,671 --> 00:21:47,204
saving the ship
and the crew,
499
00:21:47,306 --> 00:21:49,273
and be a hero and go out
in a blaze of glory.
500
00:21:49,375 --> 00:21:52,443
During the making of the movie,I began to be concerned
501
00:21:52,545 --> 00:21:54,011
that maybe I'd madea mistake.
502
00:21:54,113 --> 00:21:58,082
And on the day we went to shoot
Spock's death scene,
503
00:21:58,184 --> 00:22:00,117
Harve came to me on the set.
504
00:22:00,219 --> 00:22:01,452
He came to me on the setand he said,
505
00:22:01,554 --> 00:22:04,855
"What can you give usthat might be a thread
506
00:22:04,957 --> 00:22:08,092
for the future for Spockor 'Star Trek'?"
507
00:22:08,194 --> 00:22:09,626
And it took me a moment.
I said,
508
00:22:09,729 --> 00:22:11,795
"I can do a mind-meld
on DeForest Kelley
509
00:22:11,897 --> 00:22:13,364
"who's laying there
unconscious,
510
00:22:13,466 --> 00:22:17,000
and I can say somethingambiguous like, 'Remember.'"
511
00:22:17,103 --> 00:22:18,769
And that's how that momentcame about.
512
00:22:18,871 --> 00:22:20,938
Remember.
513
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,240
- And then you have
"Star Trek's" finest hour
514
00:22:23,342 --> 00:22:25,008
between Kirk and Spock.
515
00:22:25,111 --> 00:22:28,579
That death scenethrough the radiation chamber--
516
00:22:28,681 --> 00:22:30,147
cried like a baby.
517
00:22:30,249 --> 00:22:33,150
- I was always very touched
by what happened
518
00:22:33,252 --> 00:22:35,085
in that--in that sequence.
Ahem.
519
00:22:35,187 --> 00:22:38,655
I thought it was beautifully
written, the death scene.
520
00:22:38,758 --> 00:22:40,524
And it really worked
in the film.
521
00:22:40,626 --> 00:22:43,060
I have people still today
who write me and say,
522
00:22:43,162 --> 00:22:44,528
"Every time
I still see that picture
523
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:46,764
"for the fifth, tenth time,
I still cry when Spock--
524
00:22:46,866 --> 00:22:49,299
at that death scene,"
you know?
525
00:22:49,402 --> 00:22:51,201
I have been...
526
00:22:51,303 --> 00:22:54,004
and always shall be...
527
00:22:54,106 --> 00:22:56,106
your friend.
528
00:23:01,414 --> 00:23:04,481
Live long...
529
00:23:04,583 --> 00:23:06,583
and prosper.
530
00:23:16,028 --> 00:23:18,762
narrator: Two short yearsafter the success of "Khan,"
531
00:23:18,864 --> 00:23:21,131
"Trek" returnsto the big screen,
532
00:23:21,233 --> 00:23:24,168
and the franchiseis truly reborn.
533
00:23:24,270 --> 00:23:27,304
- "Star Trek III" was the first
movie that Nimoy directed,
534
00:23:27,406 --> 00:23:30,407
and it was also his way
to come back to "Star Trek"
535
00:23:30,509 --> 00:23:31,842
to bring Spock back.
536
00:23:31,944 --> 00:23:35,946
- Nicholas Meyer, a very
talented guy, was directing.
537
00:23:36,048 --> 00:23:38,749
I thought,
"I-I can do what he does.
538
00:23:38,851 --> 00:23:40,617
I know what he's doing
and I can do that."
539
00:23:40,719 --> 00:23:42,186
So I went in
the next morning,
540
00:23:42,288 --> 00:23:44,087
and I put it to them
very simply.
541
00:23:44,190 --> 00:23:46,056
I said, "Michael,
you have two problems.
542
00:23:46,158 --> 00:23:48,625
"You want me to play Spock
in 'Star Trek III,'
543
00:23:48,727 --> 00:23:50,027
"and you need a director.
544
00:23:50,129 --> 00:23:52,663
I solved both of your problems
with one stroke."
545
00:23:52,765 --> 00:23:53,864
And that's the way it went,
546
00:23:53,966 --> 00:23:56,033
and he said,
"Okay, let's make a deal."
547
00:23:56,135 --> 00:23:58,168
And we immediately made a deal
and went to work.
548
00:23:58,270 --> 00:24:02,172
- You Klingon bastard.
549
00:24:02,274 --> 00:24:05,809
- There are two more prisoners,
Admiral.
550
00:24:05,911 --> 00:24:07,544
Do you want them killed too?
551
00:24:07,646 --> 00:24:11,982
- It's just such a delicious
badass son of a bitch, you know?
552
00:24:12,084 --> 00:24:16,086
He's just--he's just a bad guywith no remorse.
553
00:24:18,457 --> 00:24:20,724
I killed Kirk's son
554
00:24:20,826 --> 00:24:23,093
and I blew upthe original Enterprise.
555
00:24:23,195 --> 00:24:26,029
Just freaking wiped it out.
556
00:24:28,067 --> 00:24:31,268
And I could do it again.
557
00:24:35,908 --> 00:24:40,177
- I was asked to do "III,"
I didn't know how to do it.
558
00:24:40,279 --> 00:24:43,914
So I said
I wasn't interested in doing it.
559
00:24:44,016 --> 00:24:46,717
I was not part of "IV"
either.
560
00:24:46,819 --> 00:24:48,685
They had had a script written
561
00:24:48,787 --> 00:24:51,655
tailor-made to starEddie Murphy,
562
00:24:51,757 --> 00:24:55,058
who was Paramount'sother big star at the time.
563
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,827
And Paramount didn't like
the idea
564
00:24:56,929 --> 00:25:01,298
of putting all their golden eggs
in one basket,
565
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,434
Eddie Murphy
and the Star Trek people.
566
00:25:04,537 --> 00:25:06,403
So I went to see Harveand Leonard,
567
00:25:06,505 --> 00:25:09,239
and they told me the storyabout the whales.
568
00:25:09,341 --> 00:25:12,309
And Harve said, "I'll writethe outer space parts
569
00:25:12,411 --> 00:25:15,579
if you do the on Earth parts,
you know, the bookend.
570
00:25:15,681 --> 00:25:18,515
And I said, "Okay."
571
00:25:18,617 --> 00:25:21,051
- "Star Trek V" is hurtby it's budget
572
00:25:21,153 --> 00:25:23,520
more than anything else.It's not a badly directed film.
573
00:25:23,622 --> 00:25:26,590
In fact, Bill did a nice job
directing for the most part,
574
00:25:26,692 --> 00:25:31,228
but they just didn't have enough
money to recognize the vision,
575
00:25:31,330 --> 00:25:32,763
so it looks very cheap,
and as a result,
576
00:25:32,865 --> 00:25:34,164
it feels like a bad movie.
577
00:25:34,266 --> 00:25:35,666
- We watched the movie,we were like,
578
00:25:35,768 --> 00:25:37,034
"Yeah, that was great."
579
00:25:37,136 --> 00:25:38,502
And I remember my brother,
580
00:25:38,604 --> 00:25:39,970
he was the one who had not
been drinking.
581
00:25:40,072 --> 00:25:41,638
He was looking at, like,
582
00:25:41,740 --> 00:25:43,473
"I don't think
it really was great."
583
00:25:43,576 --> 00:25:45,509
We were like, "No, it was great.
Let's watch it again."
584
00:25:45,611 --> 00:25:47,110
And we did,
so we watched it again.
585
00:25:47,212 --> 00:25:49,913
That's probably the last time
I saw "Star Trek V."
586
00:25:50,015 --> 00:25:54,251
- Then "Star Trek V" came out
and didn't perform well.
587
00:25:54,353 --> 00:25:58,055
And then Leonard came,and he had this genesis,
588
00:25:58,157 --> 00:26:00,691
you should pardon the pun,of an idea for "VI,"
589
00:26:00,793 --> 00:26:04,361
which was all about the wallcoming down in outer space.
590
00:26:04,463 --> 00:26:06,430
It was about the Klingonshave been their substitute
591
00:26:06,532 --> 00:26:08,465
for the Russians.I went, "They were?"
592
00:26:08,567 --> 00:26:10,467
And we wrote it.
593
00:26:10,569 --> 00:26:13,537
- His idea was that, you know,
time's change.
594
00:26:13,639 --> 00:26:16,373
You know, you can't be,
you know, mad at a group
595
00:26:16,475 --> 00:26:19,710
for 100 years and you don't know
anything about them.
596
00:26:19,812 --> 00:26:21,411
- Michael Dorn was my idea.
597
00:26:21,513 --> 00:26:24,247
He could play
his own grandfather.
598
00:26:24,350 --> 00:26:26,516
I thought
that would be funny.
599
00:26:26,619 --> 00:26:29,319
narrator: Coming up,the Enterprise returns to TV
600
00:26:29,421 --> 00:26:31,755
with a new missionand a new crew.
601
00:26:31,857 --> 00:26:34,791
- When I heard that they weredoing a next generation,
602
00:26:34,893 --> 00:26:37,628
I went, "Oh, afraid I got
to do this," you know?
603
00:26:41,167 --> 00:26:45,102
- So "Star Trek IV" does
gangbusters at the box office.
604
00:26:45,204 --> 00:26:47,238
They're like, "Hang on,
this is a hot property."
605
00:26:47,340 --> 00:26:49,473
Gene's like,
"Guess what, fellas?
606
00:26:49,575 --> 00:26:51,041
I want to do I on TV again."
607
00:26:51,143 --> 00:26:53,377
And then Paramount's like...
- "Yes, please."
608
00:26:53,479 --> 00:26:54,645
- "I might as well."
- Yeah.
609
00:26:54,747 --> 00:26:55,880
- "Well, it's sitting here
doing nothing."
610
00:26:55,982 --> 00:26:57,081
- "How soon will you start?"
- So then we have
611
00:26:57,183 --> 00:26:58,782
"Star Trek:
The Next Generation" comes out.
612
00:27:03,489 --> 00:27:04,889
narrator: In 1987,
613
00:27:04,991 --> 00:27:07,791
21 years after the originalseries hits the air,
614
00:27:07,894 --> 00:27:10,427
"Star Trek" returns totelevision with the premiere
615
00:27:10,529 --> 00:27:12,663
of "The Next Generation."
616
00:27:12,765 --> 00:27:15,332
- Gene Roddenberry called me
and he was talking about
617
00:27:15,434 --> 00:27:16,500
a new version of "Star Trek"
618
00:27:16,602 --> 00:27:19,303
bouncing off the movies,
of course.
619
00:27:19,405 --> 00:27:23,641
He came up with the basicsfor the older captain,
620
00:27:23,743 --> 00:27:26,977
for the characters that we seein "Star Trek: Next Gen."
621
00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:29,914
narrator: Diehard fansare skeptical of the reboot.
622
00:27:30,016 --> 00:27:32,850
- We got a bald, Englishcaptain with a French name
623
00:27:32,952 --> 00:27:35,920
and you got a Klingonon the bridge?
624
00:27:36,022 --> 00:27:38,923
Really? You got a blind guy
driving the ship?
625
00:27:39,025 --> 00:27:41,025
- Gene was there duringthe first couple of years
626
00:27:41,127 --> 00:27:45,763
and all the spinoffs carried on
the tradition of "Star Trek."
627
00:27:45,865 --> 00:27:48,899
- When that cast was firstassembled and the show
628
00:27:49,001 --> 00:27:50,334
first went into production,"The Next Generation,"
629
00:27:50,436 --> 00:27:51,735
I invited them here
to this house,
630
00:27:51,837 --> 00:27:53,437
the whole bunch of them,
all of them.
631
00:27:53,539 --> 00:27:55,372
"Come to my house.
Let's get to know each other.
632
00:27:55,474 --> 00:27:58,575
And good luck, and bon voyage.
I think--I hope it works."
633
00:27:58,678 --> 00:28:01,645
- When I first auditioned
for "Next Gen,"
634
00:28:01,747 --> 00:28:03,480
I was one of the few people
in the world
635
00:28:03,582 --> 00:28:06,951
who was not quite aware
of the phenomenon
636
00:28:07,053 --> 00:28:09,653
that we were aboutto get involved with.
637
00:28:09,755 --> 00:28:12,690
- When I heard that they weredoing a next generation,
638
00:28:12,792 --> 00:28:15,559
I went, "Oh, afraid
I gotta do this," you know?
639
00:28:15,661 --> 00:28:17,728
- I got a call from my agent
who said, "You know what?
640
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:19,229
They're casting 'Star Trek.'
Oh, my God."
641
00:28:19,332 --> 00:28:20,698
And she was a huge
"Star Trek" fan.
642
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,368
I had no clueit was going to be a big show.
643
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:27,771
- So LeVar Burton
and I go to eat.
644
00:28:27,873 --> 00:28:29,340
I say,
"What are you doing?"
645
00:28:29,442 --> 00:28:34,078
He said, "Oh, you'll love this.
I'm doing 'Star Trek.'"
646
00:28:34,180 --> 00:28:36,880
I said, "Well,
I want to be on that."
647
00:28:36,983 --> 00:28:38,549
And he was like, "What?"
I was like, "No, no.
648
00:28:38,651 --> 00:28:40,684
You gotta tell them
I want to be on the show."
649
00:28:40,786 --> 00:28:44,188
And I made an appointmentto go see Gene.
650
00:28:44,290 --> 00:28:47,791
And Gene says,
"You want to be on 'Star Trek'?"
651
00:28:47,893 --> 00:28:51,161
I said, "Yes.
Yes."
652
00:28:51,263 --> 00:28:55,432
- And he asked me would I please
write the pilot script,
653
00:28:55,534 --> 00:28:58,569
"Encounter At Farpoint."
And I said, "Fine," did that.
654
00:28:58,671 --> 00:29:01,105
The question had been whetherGene Roddenberry would do,
655
00:29:01,207 --> 00:29:04,108
you know, like a retrospective
back to the original "Star Trek"
656
00:29:04,210 --> 00:29:08,812
to lead into this or would he
add to my pilot script.
657
00:29:08,914 --> 00:29:10,914
He added all the stuffthat had to do with Q.
658
00:29:11,017 --> 00:29:14,151
- Three days into shooting,
uh, you know,
659
00:29:14,253 --> 00:29:17,021
somebody came up behind me
and put his hand on my shoulder
660
00:29:17,123 --> 00:29:21,058
and said, "You have no idea what
you've gotten yourself into."
661
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,727
And it was--
it was Roddenberry.
662
00:29:23,829 --> 00:29:26,897
And I didn't have any idea.
I mean, you know.
663
00:29:26,999 --> 00:29:28,632
- Riker's relationshipwith Picard,
664
00:29:28,734 --> 00:29:31,602
which was filledwith respect.
665
00:29:31,704 --> 00:29:33,804
With Data,the curiosity that Data had
666
00:29:33,906 --> 00:29:35,672
about being a human being.
667
00:29:35,775 --> 00:29:40,644
And I workedwith Worf and Geordi,
668
00:29:40,746 --> 00:29:42,112
the three of us were sort of,you know,
669
00:29:42,214 --> 00:29:44,882
we made the--we kept the
together on the ship.
670
00:29:44,984 --> 00:29:49,386
And it was--it all got
more natural.
671
00:29:49,488 --> 00:29:50,954
And as it got more natural,
672
00:29:51,057 --> 00:29:53,424
I think it got more appealing
to the audience.
673
00:29:53,526 --> 00:29:54,925
- I decided to write
a spec script,
674
00:29:55,027 --> 00:29:57,561
so I wrote a script
called "The Bonding."
675
00:29:57,663 --> 00:30:00,631
Michael Piller came aboardto be the new head writer,
676
00:30:00,733 --> 00:30:02,433
and he found my script.
677
00:30:02,535 --> 00:30:04,435
And I get this call one day
678
00:30:04,537 --> 00:30:06,970
that he wants to buy it
and produce it,
679
00:30:07,073 --> 00:30:08,872
which literally
changed my life.
680
00:30:08,974 --> 00:30:12,476
- We used to do 26 episodes
a year, and it was great.
681
00:30:12,578 --> 00:30:13,911
So we'd work for ten months,
682
00:30:14,013 --> 00:30:16,080
and then the first Monday
after the 4th of July,
683
00:30:16,182 --> 00:30:17,381
we'd come back to work.
684
00:30:17,483 --> 00:30:21,585
And that lasted for seven years
and could have lasted,
685
00:30:21,687 --> 00:30:23,921
in all fairness,
for ten years probably.
686
00:30:24,023 --> 00:30:27,724
- The humans of the 24th century
on "Next Generation"
687
00:30:27,827 --> 00:30:30,561
didn't have the kinds
of problems and squabbles
688
00:30:30,663 --> 00:30:34,698
and petty jealousies
that we have today.
689
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,900
- Chief O'Brien talks to me.
690
00:30:37,002 --> 00:30:39,570
Keiko talks to you.
691
00:30:39,672 --> 00:30:41,138
Why do they not talk
to each other?
692
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,575
That's a good question, Data.
693
00:30:44,677 --> 00:30:47,044
I wish I had a good answer
for you.
694
00:30:47,146 --> 00:30:49,046
Perhaps when they're ready,
they will.
695
00:30:49,148 --> 00:30:53,984
- Hmm. Many aspects of this
situation are puzzling to me.
696
00:30:54,086 --> 00:30:58,789
- Roddenberry somehow magically
made us--made me
697
00:30:58,891 --> 00:31:03,694
believe in his vision
of the 24th century, right?
698
00:31:03,796 --> 00:31:06,964
He said to me,"In the 24th century,
699
00:31:07,066 --> 00:31:10,934
there will be no hunger,and there will be no greed.
700
00:31:11,036 --> 00:31:15,072
And all of the children
will know how to read.
701
00:31:15,174 --> 00:31:16,240
Gene Roddenberry.
702
00:31:16,342 --> 00:31:19,109
- He was given the right
to do "Star Trek"
703
00:31:19,211 --> 00:31:20,544
the way he wanted to do it.
704
00:31:20,646 --> 00:31:23,313
Unfortunately his health
was failing by the time
705
00:31:23,415 --> 00:31:26,150
they even got "Star Trek:
The Next Generation" on.
706
00:31:26,252 --> 00:31:28,218
So he didn't really get
the chance to do
707
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,387
all of the things
he wanted to do.
708
00:31:30,489 --> 00:31:33,423
narrator: When Gene Roddenberrydies in 1991,
709
00:31:33,526 --> 00:31:36,760
"The Next Generation"is more popular than ever.
710
00:31:36,862 --> 00:31:40,597
Carrying on his legacy,week after week,
711
00:31:40,699 --> 00:31:43,033
for the next three years.
712
00:31:43,135 --> 00:31:45,269
- There were those of us,
myself included,
713
00:31:45,371 --> 00:31:47,471
who thought it could go on
for ten years.
714
00:31:47,573 --> 00:31:49,173
That we weren't done yet.
715
00:31:49,275 --> 00:31:52,910
Knowing that there was anotherseries waiting in the wings
716
00:31:53,012 --> 00:31:55,279
where we could continueto tell stories
717
00:31:55,381 --> 00:31:57,915
that we hadn't told yetmade that okay.
718
00:31:58,017 --> 00:32:01,385
And it seemed smartto take "Next Gen" off
719
00:32:01,487 --> 00:32:03,053
at the peakof its popularity.
720
00:32:03,155 --> 00:32:05,022
'Cause it wasa very popular show.
721
00:32:05,124 --> 00:32:07,491
There is a part of me
that wished,
722
00:32:07,593 --> 00:32:10,761
that wishes "Next Gen"
had continued.
723
00:32:15,901 --> 00:32:19,536
- I was asked to direct thefirst "Next Generation" movie.
724
00:32:19,638 --> 00:32:21,004
I just--
I wasn't attracted to it.
725
00:32:21,106 --> 00:32:22,906
I read it,
726
00:32:23,008 --> 00:32:24,575
and it didn't feel
like something
727
00:32:24,677 --> 00:32:26,810
that I was gonna have
a good time doing.
728
00:32:26,912 --> 00:32:29,780
- Ron Moore and I
were asked to write
729
00:32:29,882 --> 00:32:32,149
the first"Next Generation" movie.
730
00:32:32,251 --> 00:32:34,384
We were very excited.
731
00:32:34,486 --> 00:32:36,720
It was the first movie
either of us had written.
732
00:32:36,822 --> 00:32:39,856
We loved these characters.
We knew these characters.
733
00:32:39,959 --> 00:32:43,026
And we set about conceiving
the first "Next Gen" movie.
734
00:32:43,128 --> 00:32:44,795
Kind of hand-off
from the original series,
735
00:32:44,897 --> 00:32:45,996
Kirk to Picard.
736
00:32:46,098 --> 00:32:47,798
- There was sort of a listof things
737
00:32:47,900 --> 00:32:49,600
that the movie had to have,
738
00:32:49,702 --> 00:32:50,801
so when Bran and I
stepped in,
739
00:32:50,903 --> 00:32:52,803
here's the list of things
it has to be.
740
00:32:52,905 --> 00:32:55,038
"It's gonna be the next first
"Next Gen" movie.
741
00:32:55,140 --> 00:32:56,707
"It can havethe original cast in it.
742
00:32:56,809 --> 00:32:58,842
"We want a transition film,but the original cast
743
00:32:58,944 --> 00:33:00,310
"can only be inthe first ten minutes
744
00:33:00,412 --> 00:33:02,312
"or 15 minutesof the movie tops.
745
00:33:02,414 --> 00:33:03,714
"It has to be a Picard story.
746
00:33:03,816 --> 00:33:05,849
"There has to bea Data humorous runner in it.
747
00:33:05,951 --> 00:33:09,086
"We want to have a big villain,sort of like Khan.
748
00:33:09,188 --> 00:33:11,188
"We also want to havethe Klingons in it.
749
00:33:11,290 --> 00:33:13,890
And it should probably havesome time travel involved."
750
00:33:13,993 --> 00:33:16,627
And you're just going,
"Okay.
751
00:33:16,729 --> 00:33:19,296
- By the time "Generations,"
the first movie, is coming out,
752
00:33:19,398 --> 00:33:21,965
you have Kirk and Picard on thecover of "Time" magazine.
753
00:33:22,067 --> 00:33:24,868
That's the apex,
it's the zenith of the show.
754
00:33:24,970 --> 00:33:26,803
- "Generations" was still
in the theaters
755
00:33:26,905 --> 00:33:29,039
when the said,
"Hey, let's do another one.
756
00:33:29,141 --> 00:33:30,073
And we want you guys
to do the second one."
757
00:33:30,175 --> 00:33:31,475
And we said, "Okay."
758
00:33:31,577 --> 00:33:34,611
- "First Contact" was the film
that they should have made
759
00:33:34,713 --> 00:33:36,446
every time after that.
760
00:33:36,548 --> 00:33:38,248
- Then the second movie,"First Contact,"
761
00:33:38,350 --> 00:33:40,217
is, you know,a roller coaster ride
762
00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:43,253
and wonderful and really
sort of redeems that franchise.
763
00:33:43,355 --> 00:33:46,490
- That movie was a huge success.
It made a lot of money.
764
00:33:46,592 --> 00:33:47,891
And everybody liked it.
765
00:33:47,993 --> 00:33:50,160
And Alfre Woodard
was great in it.
766
00:33:50,262 --> 00:33:51,528
And Cromwell
was great in it.
767
00:33:51,630 --> 00:33:56,900
- I'm not a drinker,
so I got a fifth of Jamesons.
768
00:33:57,002 --> 00:34:01,171
And I took one
before when we rehearsed.
769
00:34:01,273 --> 00:34:05,075
And then between every shot,
I would go back up to my tr--
770
00:34:06,879 --> 00:34:11,581
So by the time I did the thing
we're at the bar,
771
00:34:11,684 --> 00:34:17,120
when I take the drink...
772
00:34:17,222 --> 00:34:20,023
Ahh!
773
00:34:20,125 --> 00:34:22,526
Oh!
774
00:34:24,330 --> 00:34:26,129
narrator:"Star Trek: First Contact"
775
00:34:26,231 --> 00:34:29,599
debuts in 1996with Commander Riker himself,
776
00:34:29,702 --> 00:34:32,436
Jonathan Frakesin the director's chair.
777
00:34:32,538 --> 00:34:33,870
- It was great to work
with Jonathan, you know?
778
00:34:33,972 --> 00:34:35,939
We'd worked with him before
as a director on the show,
779
00:34:36,041 --> 00:34:38,709
so we knew his working methods,he knew us, you know.
780
00:34:38,811 --> 00:34:40,477
There was a great shorthand,obviously,
781
00:34:40,579 --> 00:34:42,446
between him and the entire castand the crew.
782
00:34:42,548 --> 00:34:46,083
- This was our first movie
that was just "Next Gen."
783
00:34:46,185 --> 00:34:49,152
So that--that was
a life-changer, you know.
784
00:34:49,254 --> 00:34:51,121
- I think "Star Trek's"
a TV show.
785
00:34:51,223 --> 00:34:54,391
The movies are fun,
but, you know,
786
00:34:54,493 --> 00:34:55,926
it's--it's a TV show.
787
00:34:56,028 --> 00:34:59,296
It needs to tell the stories
each week.
788
00:34:59,398 --> 00:35:02,366
- "First Contact" is fanta--it's like--
789
00:35:02,468 --> 00:35:04,868
it's the best of
the "Next Generation" movies.
790
00:35:04,970 --> 00:35:06,636
I'm sorry, everyone,
that's how I feel.
791
00:35:06,739 --> 00:35:08,839
- Probably.
- I see some grunting happening
792
00:35:08,941 --> 00:35:10,774
over on the corners here.
793
00:35:10,876 --> 00:35:13,110
Bobak, you grunted
particularly hard.
794
00:35:13,212 --> 00:35:14,945
- I'm just a big
"Insurrection" fan because--
795
00:35:15,047 --> 00:35:16,246
- What? What?
796
00:35:16,348 --> 00:35:17,814
- It's the most like
a "TNG" episode.
797
00:35:17,916 --> 00:35:20,450
The movies really, like,
diverge from my thought
798
00:35:20,552 --> 00:35:21,718
what made the show great.
799
00:35:21,820 --> 00:35:25,188
And I like that it was
a little bit more of that
800
00:35:25,290 --> 00:35:28,125
"TNG"-style episode than I felt
the rest of the movies were.
801
00:35:28,227 --> 00:35:30,026
- So we go
from "Insurrection."
802
00:35:30,129 --> 00:35:32,796
"Voyager's" still running
at this point.
803
00:35:32,898 --> 00:35:36,333
And then we end up with,
I hate to say it,
804
00:35:36,435 --> 00:35:38,168
"Star Trek: Nemesis,"
so Janeway--
805
00:35:38,270 --> 00:35:39,669
- They asked me to be in that.
Did you know that?
806
00:35:39,772 --> 00:35:41,304
- Really? What were you
gonna do in that?
807
00:35:41,407 --> 00:35:42,773
Were you gonna be
on the Enterprise?
808
00:35:42,875 --> 00:35:43,940
- Evidently.
- Why would you say no?
809
00:35:44,042 --> 00:35:45,275
What is wrong with you?
810
00:35:45,377 --> 00:35:46,743
- 'Cause I had just gotten off
of "Voyager."
811
00:35:46,845 --> 00:35:48,545
- Oh, my God, Jeri.
- My biggest fear is in signing
812
00:35:48,647 --> 00:35:51,481
on to "Star Trek" to begin with,
not having been a fan,
813
00:35:51,583 --> 00:35:52,983
and not really knowing much
about it other than that
814
00:35:53,085 --> 00:35:54,684
the actors get pigeonholed.
- Yeah.
815
00:35:54,787 --> 00:35:55,952
- And it was sort of known
for that.
816
00:35:56,054 --> 00:35:58,522
- Yeah.
- That was one of my big fears
817
00:35:58,624 --> 00:36:01,792
in accepting the role is ever
breaking out of that character.
818
00:36:01,894 --> 00:36:03,727
I don't know if that's even...
- No, please.
819
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:05,362
- Known by anybody,
but apparently they were
820
00:36:05,464 --> 00:36:06,496
replacing a character.
821
00:36:06,598 --> 00:36:08,532
They were gonna yank
and character out
822
00:36:08,634 --> 00:36:10,400
and stick Seven of Nine
in there.
823
00:36:10,502 --> 00:36:11,835
It's a popular character,
get her in the movie.
824
00:36:11,937 --> 00:36:13,870
And that's what it felt like.
And it didn't feel like
825
00:36:13,972 --> 00:36:15,038
it would be anything
other than that story-wise.
826
00:36:15,140 --> 00:36:17,040
- Yeah.
827
00:36:17,142 --> 00:36:20,911
narrator: Coming up,"Star Trek" takes a dark turn.
828
00:36:24,249 --> 00:36:26,449
- "Deep Space Nine"is the most meaningful to me.
829
00:36:26,551 --> 00:36:29,185
- Mm-hmm.
- Because it gets into
830
00:36:29,287 --> 00:36:30,419
the darker side.
831
00:36:30,522 --> 00:36:32,155
I mean, it's after
Gene Roddenberry's death.
832
00:36:32,257 --> 00:36:35,291
They're kinda free to kind of
get away from this, you know,
833
00:36:35,393 --> 00:36:37,460
everything ends happily.
- Yeah.
834
00:36:37,562 --> 00:36:39,796
- You know, you look at war
in a variety of different ways.
835
00:36:39,898 --> 00:36:42,165
I mean, there's a great episode
on PTSD,
836
00:36:42,267 --> 00:36:45,101
where Nog has to deal
with the loss of his leg.
837
00:36:45,203 --> 00:36:46,435
Nobody does that kind of stuff.
- Right.
838
00:36:46,538 --> 00:36:47,870
- On science fiction
in particular.
839
00:36:47,972 --> 00:36:51,240
And so I think that show
in terms of its depth,
840
00:36:51,342 --> 00:36:53,476
in terms of the issues
it would address,
841
00:36:53,578 --> 00:36:55,244
I thought made it
the best.
842
00:36:55,346 --> 00:36:57,346
And, you know, arguably there
are some of the best episodes
843
00:36:57,448 --> 00:36:59,949
of all 700-plus hours.
844
00:37:04,689 --> 00:37:06,255
- "The Next Generation"
had become such a success
845
00:37:06,357 --> 00:37:07,990
in first-run syndication
for the studio
846
00:37:08,092 --> 00:37:10,593
that they wanted more,
so you had "Deep Space Nine,"
847
00:37:10,695 --> 00:37:13,763
which was abouta space station
848
00:37:13,865 --> 00:37:15,231
and it was a little darker.
849
00:37:15,333 --> 00:37:16,999
- "Next Gen" was
my undergraduate studies
850
00:37:17,101 --> 00:37:18,801
in TV writing and production,
851
00:37:18,903 --> 00:37:20,203
and "Deep Space Nine"
was graduate.
852
00:37:20,305 --> 00:37:24,040
- "DS9" had such
a different feel
853
00:37:24,142 --> 00:37:25,441
while still being
"Star Trek."
854
00:37:25,543 --> 00:37:27,043
It took things even deeper.
855
00:37:27,145 --> 00:37:29,512
- We were attracted to doingdarker stories.
856
00:37:29,614 --> 00:37:31,347
We were attracted
to doing stories
857
00:37:31,449 --> 00:37:32,815
that had much more conflict
in them,
858
00:37:32,917 --> 00:37:34,584
that were more morally
ambiguous,
859
00:37:34,686 --> 00:37:37,386
that were tackling
difficult subject matter
860
00:37:37,488 --> 00:37:38,721
with our characters.
861
00:37:38,823 --> 00:37:41,591
And we all felt
that we were pushing "Trek,"
862
00:37:41,693 --> 00:37:43,392
but none of us felt like
we were breaking it.
863
00:37:43,494 --> 00:37:47,830
- That was the first time
that you see
864
00:37:47,932 --> 00:37:54,837
what television is now,
which is dark and foreboding.
865
00:37:54,939 --> 00:37:57,740
- And I really wanted
to do the show.
866
00:37:57,842 --> 00:37:59,876
Really wanted
to do the show.
867
00:37:59,978 --> 00:38:01,577
I-I was like--
868
00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:05,147
I just--not only as an actor
who would get a steady paycheck,
869
00:38:05,250 --> 00:38:07,750
but more importantly,
as a fan of the show
870
00:38:07,852 --> 00:38:11,187
I wanted to be part of the ethos
that was "Star Trek."
871
00:38:11,289 --> 00:38:14,223
- It's really nice to see that
people could stick with the show
872
00:38:14,325 --> 00:38:17,927
when it became darker and more
demanding of its audience.
873
00:38:18,029 --> 00:38:23,666
- But no victory can make
this moment any easier for me.
874
00:38:23,768 --> 00:38:30,773
And I promise I will not rest
until I stand with you again.
875
00:38:30,875 --> 00:38:32,775
- Somebody had
the brilliant idea
876
00:38:32,877 --> 00:38:37,079
of bringing Worf
onto our show.
877
00:38:37,181 --> 00:38:40,516
- Unfortunately, I will be away
from the station at that time.
878
00:38:40,618 --> 00:38:42,351
- What they hoped would happendid happen.
879
00:38:42,453 --> 00:38:45,588
Thousands,
if not millions, of people
880
00:38:45,690 --> 00:38:48,624
watched because Worfwas on the show.
881
00:38:48,726 --> 00:38:52,128
And so our fan base
got resurrected
882
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:53,562
because of Michael Dorn.
883
00:38:53,665 --> 00:38:56,132
- And I had my concerns
about that
884
00:38:56,234 --> 00:38:58,634
'cause I didn't want Worf
to be standing around,
885
00:38:58,736 --> 00:39:00,970
just to be a, you know,
some guy that just--
886
00:39:01,072 --> 00:39:02,238
they throw in there.
887
00:39:02,340 --> 00:39:04,540
I really want him to open upas a character.
888
00:39:04,642 --> 00:39:08,177
- Worf was, like, really
the only choice from that cast
889
00:39:08,279 --> 00:39:10,079
that made any sense
and that would actually add
890
00:39:10,181 --> 00:39:11,447
something to the puzzle.
891
00:39:11,549 --> 00:39:14,250
Here's the war-like character
coming into a situation
892
00:39:14,352 --> 00:39:15,818
that's a war-torn environment.
893
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,287
So that made a certain
amount of sense.
894
00:39:18,389 --> 00:39:21,557
- What is that smell?
895
00:39:21,659 --> 00:39:26,729
Is there a pile
of rotting forshak in here.
896
00:39:26,831 --> 00:39:29,131
I loved my time
on "Next Generation,"
897
00:39:29,233 --> 00:39:32,568
but the work I did
on "Deep Space" was much better.
898
00:39:32,670 --> 00:39:35,338
- Over my tenure
on "Deep Space,"
899
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:36,672
that was the mantra was,
900
00:39:36,774 --> 00:39:38,975
"How far can we push
this franchise?
901
00:39:39,077 --> 00:39:40,576
"Or what are the places
we can go
902
00:39:40,678 --> 00:39:42,011
"that none of the other shows
can go?
903
00:39:42,113 --> 00:39:43,679
"What can't they do
in 'Star Trek,'
904
00:39:43,781 --> 00:39:45,247
and is there a way
we can do it?"
905
00:39:45,350 --> 00:39:47,683
- Every "Star Trek" show broke
grounds in some way, you know?
906
00:39:47,785 --> 00:39:51,053
"Deep Space Nine,"Sisko, he was a black captain.
907
00:39:51,155 --> 00:39:53,756
And then you have Janewayin "Voyager," a woman.
908
00:39:53,858 --> 00:39:56,392
I mean, they were alwaysthinking ahead.
909
00:40:01,366 --> 00:40:03,933
narrator: When "Voyager"launches in 1995,
910
00:40:04,035 --> 00:40:05,901
"Star Trek" has been pushingthe envelope
911
00:40:06,004 --> 00:40:07,803
for nearly 30 years.
912
00:40:07,905 --> 00:40:10,706
The new series pushes further.
913
00:40:10,808 --> 00:40:13,075
- A lot of women
of a certain age
914
00:40:13,177 --> 00:40:16,045
who that show meant a lot to
because of Kate.
915
00:40:16,147 --> 00:40:17,646
You know, they look at it,you know,
916
00:40:17,749 --> 00:40:19,448
the same way that guysof my generation
917
00:40:19,550 --> 00:40:21,150
look at Kirkas a role model,
918
00:40:21,252 --> 00:40:23,386
they look at Kate's Janewayand say,
919
00:40:23,488 --> 00:40:25,988
"You know, she proved that,
you know,
920
00:40:26,090 --> 00:40:29,425
"I could be thoughtful
and smart and commanding,
921
00:40:29,527 --> 00:40:32,061
and not necessarily use my
sexuality to get what I want."
922
00:40:32,163 --> 00:40:35,498
- Then you leave me
no choice.
923
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,267
You are hereby relieved of duty
until further notice.
924
00:40:38,369 --> 00:40:40,302
- As a writer,
writing Captain Janeway,
925
00:40:40,405 --> 00:40:42,138
I didn't think of her
as a woman.
926
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:43,606
I thought of her as the captain.
927
00:40:43,708 --> 00:40:46,876
And I think it's great that she
ended up being a role model
928
00:40:46,978 --> 00:40:49,412
to a lot of people,
men or women.
929
00:40:49,514 --> 00:40:51,680
- I was veryhappy and proud
930
00:40:51,783 --> 00:40:55,618
of what the producers had done
with this cast in "Voyager."
931
00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:57,920
First of all, starting offwith a female captain
932
00:40:58,022 --> 00:40:59,388
'cause we had notseen that before.
933
00:40:59,490 --> 00:41:02,491
- My friend, Rene,
got cast in "Deep Space."
934
00:41:02,593 --> 00:41:05,895
And he told me how cool it was,
and I envied him.
935
00:41:05,997 --> 00:41:07,763
I said, "What a great show
to be on," you know.
936
00:41:07,865 --> 00:41:09,465
And then
a couple of years later,
937
00:41:09,567 --> 00:41:11,167
boom,I was in "Voyager."
938
00:41:11,269 --> 00:41:13,069
And I-I had no idea
939
00:41:13,171 --> 00:41:15,171
what the character was
makeup-wise, you know?
940
00:41:15,273 --> 00:41:18,074
But I flew out
and I-I went into the room,
941
00:41:18,176 --> 00:41:20,209
and there was UPN,
and there was Paramount,
942
00:41:20,311 --> 00:41:23,646
and there were the creators
of "Star Trek."
943
00:41:23,748 --> 00:41:25,915
And, um, I read
944
00:41:26,017 --> 00:41:28,084
and I guess I was exactly what
what they were looking for.
945
00:41:28,186 --> 00:41:30,953
- "Star Trek: Voyager" is
probably my first acting job.
946
00:41:31,055 --> 00:41:32,988
And I was so excited,
and I was so nervous.
947
00:41:33,091 --> 00:41:37,026
It was a two-part special
and I was playing a scientist.
948
00:41:37,128 --> 00:41:38,461
- What do you do here?
949
00:41:38,563 --> 00:41:41,363
- We watch the skies.
- For what?
950
00:41:41,466 --> 00:41:43,999
- Signs of
extraterrestrial life.
951
00:41:44,102 --> 00:41:45,734
Nice meeting you.
952
00:41:45,837 --> 00:41:48,237
I remembered
going to my acting coach,
953
00:41:48,339 --> 00:41:50,840
and he read through the script.
954
00:41:50,942 --> 00:41:53,242
And I was looking to him
for guidance.
955
00:41:53,344 --> 00:41:55,945
And he just went, uh,
956
00:41:56,047 --> 00:41:58,614
"You know, sometimes when
you're running from lasers,
957
00:41:58,716 --> 00:42:02,885
you just--you just gotta pretend
you're running from lasers."
958
00:42:02,987 --> 00:42:06,455
- Get down!
959
00:42:06,557 --> 00:42:08,257
- I was like, "Oh.'
Ahem.
960
00:42:08,359 --> 00:42:09,725
It gave me so much freedom.
961
00:42:09,827 --> 00:42:12,361
I was like, "Oh, yeah,
I just--I pretend," you know?
962
00:42:12,463 --> 00:42:16,732
You don't really draw from
your childhood or something.
963
00:42:16,834 --> 00:42:19,101
You just pretend
you're running from lasers.
964
00:42:21,305 --> 00:42:23,005
What the hell?
965
00:42:23,107 --> 00:42:25,174
- What I wanted to do
was bring the Borg in.
966
00:42:25,276 --> 00:42:27,076
It was my feelingthat the Borg
967
00:42:27,178 --> 00:42:29,678
could always be"Voyager's" Klingons.
968
00:42:29,780 --> 00:42:30,946
They neededa recurring villain.
969
00:42:31,048 --> 00:42:32,815
And for better or worse,
970
00:42:32,917 --> 00:42:34,483
that's what
we ended up doing.
971
00:42:34,585 --> 00:42:36,752
And it's one of the things
that defined "Voyager"
972
00:42:36,854 --> 00:42:39,455
was the introduction
of the Seven of Nine character.
973
00:42:39,557 --> 00:42:44,193
You had a very sexy womanin a very sexy outfit.
974
00:42:44,295 --> 00:42:45,461
You know,it was supposed to lure in
975
00:42:45,563 --> 00:42:46,862
a certain male demographic.
976
00:42:46,964 --> 00:42:49,865
But, in reality,
she was the Spock character.
977
00:42:49,967 --> 00:42:51,901
She was the Data character.
978
00:42:52,003 --> 00:42:53,102
- Report.
979
00:42:53,204 --> 00:42:55,538
- I've applied
10,053 algorithms
980
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,774
to the energy signatures
produced by chaotic space.
981
00:42:58,876 --> 00:43:02,044
- The Roddenberry influence
was always respected.
982
00:43:02,146 --> 00:43:04,313
We didn't wantto do something
983
00:43:04,415 --> 00:43:08,250
totally, outrageouslyanti-Roddenberry.
984
00:43:08,352 --> 00:43:10,386
- It's almost like you have
to keep pinching yourself.
985
00:43:10,488 --> 00:43:13,189
You show up on these sets
and you have to remind yourself,
986
00:43:13,291 --> 00:43:15,925
"I'm in the middle of something
that when we do it right,
987
00:43:16,027 --> 00:43:18,027
is really important,
can really affect people."
988
00:43:18,129 --> 00:43:20,196
Now it's hard to do thaton every single episode.
989
00:43:20,298 --> 00:43:22,431
I don't know who has eversucceeded in that,
990
00:43:22,533 --> 00:43:25,201
but I think that we allcould feel as a cast
991
00:43:25,303 --> 00:43:28,437
when we were tellinga good story and doing it well.
992
00:43:33,978 --> 00:43:35,444
- There was a lot of discussion
what "Enterprise"
993
00:43:35,546 --> 00:43:38,013
would look like
and feel like.
994
00:43:38,115 --> 00:43:39,448
narrator:"Star Trek: Enterprise"
995
00:43:39,550 --> 00:43:41,750
is a prequelto the entire franchise.
996
00:43:41,852 --> 00:43:43,485
Set in the 22nd century,
997
00:43:43,588 --> 00:43:46,956
as Starfleet's first explorersventure into space.
998
00:43:47,058 --> 00:43:48,991
- You know, we were trying to,
I think,
999
00:43:49,093 --> 00:43:50,893
deconstruct "Star Trek"
and figure out, you know,
1000
00:43:50,995 --> 00:43:52,194
how it all came together.
1001
00:43:52,296 --> 00:43:53,963
You know,we'd certainly seen the future
1002
00:43:54,065 --> 00:43:56,432
of where it was all going.
1003
00:43:56,534 --> 00:43:59,435
And it was a real challenge
to kind of back that up
1004
00:43:59,537 --> 00:44:02,538
and imagine, you know,what was this--
1005
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,741
what was this like 150 yearsbefore Captain Kirk.
1006
00:44:05,843 --> 00:44:07,943
- I called my mother
and said,
1007
00:44:08,045 --> 00:44:10,212
"Ma, I'm not gonna have
to stress about work.
1008
00:44:10,314 --> 00:44:11,380
I got a job."
1009
00:44:11,482 --> 00:44:14,850
- I had to audition with
a slight alien accent
1010
00:44:14,952 --> 00:44:17,786
for the character of Dr. Phlox,
which puzzled me.
1011
00:44:17,888 --> 00:44:19,555
I didn't really know what to do,
so I--
1012
00:44:19,657 --> 00:44:21,357
I sort of tried outa variety of funny voices
1013
00:44:21,459 --> 00:44:23,125
with my wife before I settledon the voice
1014
00:44:23,227 --> 00:44:24,960
I eventually arrived at.
1015
00:44:25,062 --> 00:44:26,629
Sounds sort of vaguelyEast Indian.
1016
00:44:26,731 --> 00:44:30,532
I don't believe
you'll be needing my services.
1017
00:44:30,635 --> 00:44:32,201
- You know, I thought that
we were gonna make it
1018
00:44:32,303 --> 00:44:33,802
and that we were gonna do
seven years
1019
00:44:33,904 --> 00:44:35,371
like all the rest
of these shows.
1020
00:44:35,473 --> 00:44:38,540
- I was just trying to tell
good stories
1021
00:44:38,643 --> 00:44:42,678
and do Gene's vision proud.
1022
00:44:42,780 --> 00:44:45,614
Tell the best "Star Trek"
stories that I could, you know?
1023
00:44:45,716 --> 00:44:47,983
And now that I'm no longerinvolved with the show,
1024
00:44:48,085 --> 00:44:52,554
I'm the fan eagerly awaiting
the next television show.
1025
00:44:52,657 --> 00:44:55,591
narrator: Coming up,"Trek" is on the cutting edge.
1026
00:44:55,693 --> 00:44:57,793
- I had just been offered
1027
00:44:57,895 --> 00:45:00,796
a major role
in a Broadway musical.
1028
00:45:00,898 --> 00:45:02,931
narrator: And later,a look at "Star Trek's"
1029
00:45:03,034 --> 00:45:04,533
most beloved villain.
1030
00:45:04,635 --> 00:45:08,937
- I ended up doing six episodes
of "Next Generation."
1031
00:45:11,975 --> 00:45:14,709
- So in the '60s, I mean,
it a period of racial discord.
1032
00:45:14,811 --> 00:45:17,512
We got the Vietnam War,
youth rebellions,
1033
00:45:17,614 --> 00:45:19,948
emerging feminism,
and, you know, TV--
1034
00:45:20,050 --> 00:45:22,484
- Dirty hippies.
- Dirty hi--exactly.
1035
00:45:22,586 --> 00:45:24,385
There's no series
or television show
1036
00:45:24,488 --> 00:45:25,720
really addressing
these things.
1037
00:45:25,822 --> 00:45:27,822
You know, Roddenberry's able
to do is kind of explore
1038
00:45:27,924 --> 00:45:31,559
these things, but again,
in a way which is--
1039
00:45:31,661 --> 00:45:33,428
not only avoids the censors,
1040
00:45:33,530 --> 00:45:34,996
which he had a lot
of problems with,
1041
00:45:35,098 --> 00:45:37,699
but also allows the audience
1042
00:45:37,801 --> 00:45:40,268
to kind of look at it
from a different perspective.
1043
00:45:40,370 --> 00:45:42,704
And if they were looking
at race in America
1044
00:45:42,806 --> 00:45:45,006
on a documentary,
that's just not gonna have
1045
00:45:45,108 --> 00:45:46,508
the kind of impact,
whereas in
1046
00:45:46,610 --> 00:45:47,942
"Let That Be
Your Last Battlefield,"
1047
00:45:48,044 --> 00:45:49,711
we have the black
and white faces.
1048
00:45:49,813 --> 00:45:51,546
You know, and you can imagine
what the American public
1049
00:45:51,648 --> 00:45:53,515
was looking at this going,
"You know,
1050
00:45:53,617 --> 00:45:54,983
yeah, this is right.
This is kinda strange."
1051
00:45:55,085 --> 00:45:57,485
And again, this is an episode
that was done right after Mart--
1052
00:45:57,587 --> 00:45:58,486
it was produced
right after
1053
00:45:58,588 --> 00:45:59,821
Martin Luther King's
assassination.
1054
00:45:59,923 --> 00:46:01,790
- That's the beauty of sci-fi.
You can sort of
1055
00:46:01,892 --> 00:46:04,626
have these allegories
without
1056
00:46:04,728 --> 00:46:06,494
people knowing they're being
taught a lesson.
1057
00:46:06,596 --> 00:46:07,796
- Yeah.
- Big two on the nose.
1058
00:46:07,898 --> 00:46:08,930
- Yeah, they just think
they're watching
1059
00:46:09,032 --> 00:46:11,699
a fun space adventure
with a Canadian.
1060
00:46:15,438 --> 00:46:18,840
- "Star Trek" very much
at a time when, you know,
1061
00:46:18,942 --> 00:46:21,676
race, in particular, in the '60s
was such a big thing.
1062
00:46:21,778 --> 00:46:23,611
It broke down those barriers
in terms of talking--
1063
00:46:23,713 --> 00:46:27,515
talking about color,
multi-culturalism, other people.
1064
00:46:27,617 --> 00:46:32,053
And instead of making walls,
and instead of trying to
1065
00:46:32,155 --> 00:46:33,755
villainize others,
1066
00:46:33,857 --> 00:46:35,523
it was all
about embracing the other.
1067
00:46:35,625 --> 00:46:39,894
- Because, you know, when you
look at the "Star Trek" world,
1068
00:46:39,996 --> 00:46:43,598
you know, Gene really wanted
to create a world
1069
00:46:43,700 --> 00:46:46,668
where everybody could be,
you know?
1070
00:46:46,770 --> 00:46:49,103
And if we were having
some kind of trouble,
1071
00:46:49,206 --> 00:46:50,405
we could talk it out.
1072
00:46:50,507 --> 00:46:53,875
- We had one of the most
wonderful icons
1073
00:46:53,977 --> 00:46:57,145
in Nichelle Nichols, who was
not only African American,
1074
00:46:57,247 --> 00:46:59,280
she was a woman.
1075
00:46:59,382 --> 00:47:01,883
And, you know, she was thereon the bridge all the time.
1076
00:47:01,985 --> 00:47:03,351
She was important.
1077
00:47:03,453 --> 00:47:05,053
Sometimes she would just say,"Channels open, sir,"
1078
00:47:05,155 --> 00:47:07,589
but the thing wasthat she was there.
1079
00:47:07,691 --> 00:47:11,793
- She speaksperfect English.
1080
00:47:11,895 --> 00:47:15,263
She's the communications officer
1081
00:47:15,365 --> 00:47:17,565
and she takes that
very seriously.
1082
00:47:17,667 --> 00:47:21,002
- She is not only gorgeous,
1083
00:47:21,104 --> 00:47:24,038
but she isthe communications officer.
1084
00:47:24,140 --> 00:47:25,807
She's the one you have
to talk to
1085
00:47:25,909 --> 00:47:28,176
if you want to talk
to anybody out in space.
1086
00:47:28,278 --> 00:47:30,445
And she's fly, okay?
1087
00:47:30,547 --> 00:47:33,948
And they all want to bone her,
and you know it.
1088
00:47:34,050 --> 00:47:36,251
- And there were some stations
in the South that said,
1089
00:47:36,353 --> 00:47:37,785
"Oh, you're having,"
what was then,
1090
00:47:37,888 --> 00:47:40,588
"a black woman on the bridge.
1091
00:47:40,690 --> 00:47:41,990
We're not gonna show
your show."
1092
00:47:42,092 --> 00:47:44,359
And Roddenberry said,
"you," you know.
1093
00:47:45,595 --> 00:47:47,795
And, you know,
"Too bad. You lose."
1094
00:47:47,898 --> 00:47:50,632
- A woman of color
in the late '60s
1095
00:47:50,734 --> 00:47:53,234
while the civil rights riots
were going on.
1096
00:47:53,336 --> 00:47:56,304
Her presence there
was a big deal.
1097
00:47:56,406 --> 00:47:59,107
- I had just been offered
1098
00:47:59,209 --> 00:48:02,277
a major role
in a Broadway musical.
1099
00:48:02,379 --> 00:48:06,614
And I metDr. Martin Luther King.
1100
00:48:06,716 --> 00:48:10,985
And I was so excitedto tell him.
1101
00:48:11,087 --> 00:48:13,087
And he said,"You can't do that."
1102
00:48:13,189 --> 00:48:16,057
He said, "Don't you understandwhat you're doing?
1103
00:48:16,159 --> 00:48:19,560
"This is television and
there's nobody like you on TV.
1104
00:48:19,663 --> 00:48:23,865
You can't--
you can't abdicate."
1105
00:48:23,967 --> 00:48:25,133
And I couldn't.
1106
00:48:25,235 --> 00:48:26,901
- The main thing
that has struck me
1107
00:48:27,003 --> 00:48:32,573
about Gene's series at the time
was how he mirrored
1108
00:48:32,676 --> 00:48:34,742
the things that were going on
in our society
1109
00:48:34,844 --> 00:48:37,612
by using the aliens
and the humans
1110
00:48:37,714 --> 00:48:39,213
to carry out those storylines.
1111
00:48:39,316 --> 00:48:40,915
He was very clever
in doing that.
1112
00:48:41,017 --> 00:48:42,116
- I liked the idea.
1113
00:48:42,218 --> 00:48:45,253
I'm not sure
it was always executed
1114
00:48:45,355 --> 00:48:46,988
as well as it might have.
1115
00:48:47,090 --> 00:48:48,423
I think we used the bludgeon
1116
00:48:48,525 --> 00:48:51,192
when we did the story of the
half black and half white.
1117
00:48:51,294 --> 00:48:53,561
You know, but we did ityou know?
1118
00:48:53,663 --> 00:48:56,331
And good for usfor taking on the issue.
1119
00:48:56,433 --> 00:48:58,433
- I am black
on the right side.
1120
00:49:01,538 --> 00:49:02,870
1121
00:49:02,973 --> 00:49:06,007
- I fail to see
the significant difference.
1122
00:49:06,109 --> 00:49:07,642
- Lokai is white
on the right--
1123
00:49:07,744 --> 00:49:10,912
all of his people are white
on the right side.
1124
00:49:11,014 --> 00:49:14,015
- Frank Gorshinwas a wonderful performer,
1125
00:49:14,117 --> 00:49:16,985
and he and Lou Antonio
were the two actors
1126
00:49:17,087 --> 00:49:19,220
who played
these opposing roles.
1127
00:49:19,322 --> 00:49:21,756
People who were actuallymirror images of each other
1128
00:49:21,858 --> 00:49:24,859
should hate each otherthey way they did.
1129
00:49:24,961 --> 00:49:27,362
And there was that great momentwhere Kirk says,
1130
00:49:27,464 --> 00:49:29,564
"Why do you people
hate each other so much?
1131
00:49:29,666 --> 00:49:31,899
You're--you're the same."
1132
00:49:32,002 --> 00:49:33,334
"Don't you get it?
1133
00:49:33,436 --> 00:49:35,970
He's black on the right side,
I'm black on the left."
1134
00:49:36,072 --> 00:49:39,374
You know, "Oh."
1135
00:49:39,476 --> 00:49:41,175
- Science fiction
is at its best
1136
00:49:41,277 --> 00:49:42,877
when it challenges you.
1137
00:49:42,979 --> 00:49:46,080
It presents a message
while disguising itself
1138
00:49:46,182 --> 00:49:47,548
as entertainment.
1139
00:49:47,650 --> 00:49:49,817
- In an episode called
"Symbiosis,"
1140
00:49:49,919 --> 00:49:52,987
there's a planet
where they're all addicted.
1141
00:49:53,089 --> 00:49:55,923
And there's another species
1142
00:49:56,026 --> 00:49:57,992
that always supplies them
with their drug.
1143
00:49:58,094 --> 00:49:59,994
And we know that--
that this is
1144
00:50:00,096 --> 00:50:02,930
this horrible enabling
situation.
1145
00:50:03,033 --> 00:50:06,434
And we could easily cure
the addicts.
1146
00:50:06,536 --> 00:50:10,872
- Please, help us.
- I'm not sure that I can.
1147
00:50:13,209 --> 00:50:14,609
- But do we get involved
1148
00:50:14,711 --> 00:50:16,110
or do we let them
figure it out?
1149
00:50:16,212 --> 00:50:19,213
- The moment that I felt
was so haunting to me
1150
00:50:19,315 --> 00:50:21,916
was the one whereB'Elanna is pregnant
1151
00:50:22,018 --> 00:50:25,019
and can see that her childwill have Klingon DNA
1152
00:50:25,121 --> 00:50:28,322
and be born with the forehead
and she has developed a way
1153
00:50:28,425 --> 00:50:30,258
to possibly alter that
so her daughter
1154
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,727
doesn't have to go throughwhat she went through.
1155
00:50:32,829 --> 00:50:35,730
And I wept when I readthe episode.
1156
00:50:35,832 --> 00:50:37,398
But then to be responsible
for a child
1157
00:50:37,500 --> 00:50:41,002
and to have the technology to
change the future of this child.
1158
00:50:41,104 --> 00:50:43,471
And it was, um--
1159
00:50:43,573 --> 00:50:45,339
it was a difficultand wonderful episode.
1160
00:50:45,442 --> 00:50:47,008
- When you look at Data,
you know,
1161
00:50:47,110 --> 00:50:50,111
at one point he is on trial,
you know.
1162
00:50:50,213 --> 00:50:54,816
And it's, like, is he on trial
because he's different?
1163
00:50:54,918 --> 00:50:58,886
Is he on trial because
he should be not be thinking
1164
00:50:58,988 --> 00:51:01,022
the way that he's thinking
because he's, after all,
1165
00:51:01,124 --> 00:51:03,091
a machine
and should not be moving--
1166
00:51:03,193 --> 00:51:06,961
I mean, they're all the
questions that we deal with.
1167
00:51:07,063 --> 00:51:10,264
And whether it's race
because it's skin color,
1168
00:51:10,366 --> 00:51:13,101
or race becauseyou're an android,
1169
00:51:13,203 --> 00:51:16,237
or, you know, race becauseyou're only this big and fuzzy.
1170
00:51:16,339 --> 00:51:17,705
You're a Tribble,you know?
1171
00:51:17,807 --> 00:51:20,908
It's all of these stories
go into saying,
1172
00:51:21,010 --> 00:51:24,412
"Hey, we actually all have
to try to do this together."
1173
00:51:26,349 --> 00:51:28,149
- The cultural makeup
of the bridge,
1174
00:51:28,251 --> 00:51:29,951
that was science fiction...
- Absolutely.
1175
00:51:30,053 --> 00:51:31,686
- In the mid '60s.
1176
00:51:31,788 --> 00:51:33,988
People who watch it today
have no idea
1177
00:51:34,090 --> 00:51:36,524
how startling that was.
1178
00:51:36,626 --> 00:51:38,893
You had
this multi-cultural crew,
1179
00:51:38,995 --> 00:51:40,094
not just multi-cultural,
1180
00:51:40,196 --> 00:51:43,264
but it was male and female
as well.
1181
00:51:43,366 --> 00:51:46,200
I mean, I know that when
Roddenberry did the first pilot
1182
00:51:46,302 --> 00:51:48,002
and Majel Barrett
was Number One,
1183
00:51:48,104 --> 00:51:49,937
the studio was like...
- Yeah.
1184
00:51:50,039 --> 00:51:52,140
- Who's gonna believe a woman
in charge of a starship?
1185
00:51:52,242 --> 00:51:53,274
narrator: Coming up,
1186
00:51:53,376 --> 00:51:55,176
"Star Trek"invents the cell phone.
1187
00:51:55,278 --> 00:51:57,145
The tech that predictsour future.
1188
00:51:59,516 --> 00:52:01,249
- The thing that's reallyamazing about "Star Trek"
1189
00:52:01,318 --> 00:52:02,817
is that it definitely hasinspired people
1190
00:52:02,919 --> 00:52:05,220
to sort of, you know,
proceed down that path, right?
1191
00:52:05,322 --> 00:52:06,855
- Yeah.
- A lot of technologists,
1192
00:52:06,957 --> 00:52:09,457
of course talk about the
StarTAC Motorola phone, right?
1193
00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:11,125
The flip phone
coming from the communicator.
1194
00:52:11,228 --> 00:52:14,128
But it gives people a vision
to sort of think about,
1195
00:52:14,231 --> 00:52:15,663
"Well, why isn't
that possible?
1196
00:52:15,765 --> 00:52:17,065
- Well, the PADD
is an obvious thing,
1197
00:52:17,133 --> 00:52:19,200
which the iPad, I think,
was designed after specifically.
1198
00:52:19,302 --> 00:52:20,768
- Didn't they say...
- Yes.
1199
00:52:20,871 --> 00:52:21,936
- He took the design from iPad--
- Yes.
1200
00:52:22,038 --> 00:52:24,639
- Well, they wanted to call it
a PADD,
1201
00:52:24,708 --> 00:52:26,174
Personal Access Display Device,
1202
00:52:26,243 --> 00:52:27,342
which is what we called it
on the show,
1203
00:52:27,444 --> 00:52:29,110
but Paramount
wouldn't allow it.
1204
00:52:29,212 --> 00:52:30,879
- And what's really neat,
I mean,
1205
00:52:30,981 --> 00:52:32,547
the computer interaction
is things like we get
1206
00:52:32,616 --> 00:52:34,983
with Siri and Alexa.
- Well, yes, exactly.
1207
00:52:35,051 --> 00:52:36,784
I mean, you literally talk
to a computer,
1208
00:52:36,887 --> 00:52:38,586
and it, you know,
responds to your queries.
1209
00:52:38,688 --> 00:52:40,355
- Wow, you don't even
think about that.
1210
00:52:40,423 --> 00:52:41,356
- Yeah.
- I mean, I think this is
1211
00:52:41,424 --> 00:52:44,225
a really--kind of a neat
dynamic
1212
00:52:44,327 --> 00:52:46,861
of science sort of influencing
science fiction
1213
00:52:46,963 --> 00:52:50,498
and in return, getting some
sort of inspiration back.
1214
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,367
- The only thing they got
really, really wrong for me
1215
00:52:52,435 --> 00:52:53,968
is the fact that
they plugged Data in.
1216
00:52:54,070 --> 00:52:55,436
I feel like he'd have
Bluetooth.
1217
00:52:57,974 --> 00:52:59,340
- They got to put him
in his charger every night.
1218
00:53:00,443 --> 00:53:01,743
- When I see someone
in a restaurant
1219
00:53:01,811 --> 00:53:04,379
and they have the Bluetooth
in their ear
1220
00:53:04,447 --> 00:53:06,347
while dining
with someone else,
1221
00:53:06,449 --> 00:53:09,417
I usually shout out,
"Let it go, Uhura."
1222
00:53:11,454 --> 00:53:12,387
And you know what?
1223
00:53:12,455 --> 00:53:13,621
They know
what I'm talking about.
1224
00:53:13,723 --> 00:53:15,557
- Oh, there you go.
- And they feel horrible.
1225
00:53:20,363 --> 00:53:23,131
- Gene was clearly a visionary.
1226
00:53:23,233 --> 00:53:24,766
He went and studied, though,
1227
00:53:24,868 --> 00:53:26,968
the technologies
that would be involved
1228
00:53:27,070 --> 00:53:29,737
in order to make
his show credible.
1229
00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:32,273
- Believability was
a huge thing for my father.
1230
00:53:32,375 --> 00:53:35,910
If you go back and read some
of the original writers' guides
1231
00:53:36,012 --> 00:53:37,712
and bibles
for the original series,
1232
00:53:37,814 --> 00:53:41,349
He says in there, you know,
"Believability is essential."
1233
00:53:41,451 --> 00:53:43,117
- He brought
Harvey Lynn, his cousin
1234
00:53:43,186 --> 00:53:45,720
who worked with the RAND
company, to advise.
1235
00:53:45,822 --> 00:53:48,089
And that's where a lotof the technology came from.
1236
00:53:48,191 --> 00:53:50,525
- I think because I loved
the space program,
1237
00:53:50,627 --> 00:53:53,328
"Star Trek" to me
at that point felt real.
1238
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:55,163
It felt like they all took
it kinda seriously.
1239
00:53:55,265 --> 00:53:56,864
There was a real ship
like that.
1240
00:53:56,933 --> 00:53:59,167
I do remember when I was a kid
I thought that was a real ship.
1241
00:53:59,269 --> 00:54:00,802
I thought, you know,
"There's a big ship
1242
00:54:00,904 --> 00:54:02,804
that flies around in space.
I see it every week."
1243
00:54:02,906 --> 00:54:05,406
- The technology absolutely
captured my imagination.
1244
00:54:05,475 --> 00:54:09,344
I mean, especially the idea
of being able to
1245
00:54:09,446 --> 00:54:11,446
live in this giant spaceship.
1246
00:54:11,548 --> 00:54:14,215
- He wanted to do adult stories,
adult science fiction,
1247
00:54:14,284 --> 00:54:17,485
so he knew that in order to make
that kind of a show work,
1248
00:54:17,587 --> 00:54:20,588
he had a very credible designfor his starship.
1249
00:54:20,657 --> 00:54:22,624
- But there's a reason
the Enterprise hangs
1250
00:54:22,726 --> 00:54:25,426
in the Smithsonian Institute.
1251
00:54:25,495 --> 00:54:27,862
It is such--not just an iconic ship,
1252
00:54:27,931 --> 00:54:29,397
but such a beautiful ship.
1253
00:54:29,499 --> 00:54:31,666
It's a magnificentaesthetic achievement.
1254
00:54:31,768 --> 00:54:34,669
- Roddenberry said, "We want
our audience to believe
1255
00:54:34,771 --> 00:54:37,071
"that for the hour they're
watching 'Star Trek,'
1256
00:54:37,140 --> 00:54:40,508
"they're really on a spaceship
out exploring the galaxy.
1257
00:54:40,577 --> 00:54:42,276
"So we have to design
the bridge.
1258
00:54:42,379 --> 00:54:44,479
"We have to thinkabout navigation.
1259
00:54:44,547 --> 00:54:46,581
We have to thinkabout what powers the ship."
1260
00:54:46,683 --> 00:54:47,915
And then he thought,"You know,
1261
00:54:48,018 --> 00:54:50,585
"why don't we set upa system
1262
00:54:50,687 --> 00:54:52,120
"in the sick baycalled the biobed?
1263
00:54:52,222 --> 00:54:54,389
"A crewman comes in,lays down on the biobed,
1264
00:54:54,491 --> 00:54:56,224
"and on a computer screenabove the bed,
1265
00:54:56,326 --> 00:54:59,193
it instantly displaysall of their vital signs."
1266
00:54:59,295 --> 00:55:00,762
narrator:The creators of "Star Trek"
1267
00:55:00,864 --> 00:55:03,064
designed and engineered gadgetsfor the crew
1268
00:55:03,133 --> 00:55:04,932
that are decades aheadof their time.
1269
00:55:05,035 --> 00:55:08,269
And inspire the devices thatare second nature to us today.
1270
00:55:08,371 --> 00:55:11,539
- But also the smaller things
like the tricorder
1271
00:55:11,608 --> 00:55:14,308
or the communicator,which, I mean,
1272
00:55:14,411 --> 00:55:16,611
you know I have one
in my pocket right now
1273
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,379
that's not dissimilar.
1274
00:55:18,481 --> 00:55:20,448
- Leonard Nimoy, years ago,
1275
00:55:20,517 --> 00:55:24,819
he told me the flip phone
was purposely designed
1276
00:55:24,888 --> 00:55:26,621
to look like a communicator.
1277
00:55:26,690 --> 00:55:28,623
That the inventor
of the flip phone
1278
00:55:28,692 --> 00:55:31,826
wanted it to be a pastiche
of "Star Trek."
1279
00:55:31,928 --> 00:55:34,862
- A guy named Martin Cooper
in the 1970s
1280
00:55:34,964 --> 00:55:38,666
was tasked by Motorola
and Bell Labs
1281
00:55:38,768 --> 00:55:41,836
to create a, you know,
one of the first cell phones.
1282
00:55:41,938 --> 00:55:44,238
A portable telephone that,
you know,
1283
00:55:44,340 --> 00:55:46,040
you could carryand walk around with,
1284
00:55:46,142 --> 00:55:48,176
and it would ultimately besmall enough
1285
00:55:48,244 --> 00:55:49,610
to fit in a pocket.
1286
00:55:49,713 --> 00:55:53,915
And Cooper explicitly said,
"When I was designing
1287
00:55:53,983 --> 00:55:57,418
"that first handheld phone,
I thought,
1288
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:58,853
"'You know,
this thing is kinda big.
1289
00:55:58,955 --> 00:56:01,923
"'It's a little bulky,
but if I fold it in half,
1290
00:56:01,991 --> 00:56:04,625
"'that'll save--
that'll save space.
1291
00:56:04,728 --> 00:56:06,394
"'It'll make it smaller
and easier to carry.
1292
00:56:06,496 --> 00:56:08,096
"'Plus, it'll be really cool
to flip open
1293
00:56:08,164 --> 00:56:10,031
"'Like the communicatorson "Star Trek."'"
1294
00:56:10,133 --> 00:56:13,367
- You have these PADDs that arenow iPads and everything.
1295
00:56:13,436 --> 00:56:17,305
Well, we didn't have iPads then,
so it was--it was like
1296
00:56:17,407 --> 00:56:19,474
we were doing it,
we'd be making things up.
1297
00:56:19,542 --> 00:56:21,075
But if you set it down too hard,
you gotta do--
1298
00:56:21,177 --> 00:56:22,243
it would make a clunk.
1299
00:56:22,345 --> 00:56:23,244
You'd have to take
the whole shot over.
1300
00:56:23,346 --> 00:56:25,980
- The PADDs that they used,
1301
00:56:26,082 --> 00:56:28,382
which had nothing on them,
1302
00:56:28,451 --> 00:56:32,787
we'd use them in the storiesto somehow advance the plot,
1303
00:56:32,889 --> 00:56:35,356
or they're looking
at a report.
1304
00:56:35,458 --> 00:56:38,860
Never in a million years
did any of us think
1305
00:56:38,962 --> 00:56:41,095
this would be a thing.
1306
00:56:41,164 --> 00:56:43,064
It was total
science fiction to us.
1307
00:56:43,166 --> 00:56:45,466
- It was 20 years after
1308
00:56:45,568 --> 00:56:47,568
"Star Trek:
The Next Generation" premiered
1309
00:56:47,637 --> 00:56:50,204
that Apple introducedthe iPad.
1310
00:56:50,273 --> 00:56:55,476
And that's, you know,
that's a dead ringer, really,
1311
00:56:55,545 --> 00:56:57,111
for the PADDs that we had on
"Star Trek: The Next Generation"
1312
00:56:57,213 --> 00:56:58,880
20 years earlier.
1313
00:56:58,982 --> 00:57:01,082
- People forget this.
They look at it now, they say,
1314
00:57:01,184 --> 00:57:03,017
"Oh, 'Star Trek's' so dated.
It's so primitive."
1315
00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:04,185
They have no idea.
1316
00:57:04,287 --> 00:57:06,287
Supermarkets didn't have
sliding doors yet.
1317
00:57:06,389 --> 00:57:08,322
That's how prescient"Star Trek" was.
1318
00:57:08,391 --> 00:57:10,858
- It was Roddenberry's idea
for the holodeck,
1319
00:57:10,927 --> 00:57:13,494
which I always thought
was revolutionary, you know?
1320
00:57:13,563 --> 00:57:15,229
Virtual reality
was being explored
1321
00:57:15,298 --> 00:57:17,665
in science fiction novels,
1322
00:57:17,767 --> 00:57:20,468
but he was reallythe first to kind of put
1323
00:57:20,570 --> 00:57:23,905
true, thoroughvirtual reality,
1324
00:57:24,007 --> 00:57:25,473
certainly ontoa television show.
1325
00:57:25,575 --> 00:57:27,875
- The holodeck, which was
a wonderful invention
1326
00:57:27,944 --> 00:57:31,846
taken to imaginative creative
extremes in "Next Generation,"
1327
00:57:31,948 --> 00:57:33,881
has its origins in the
"Star Trek" animated series
1328
00:57:33,950 --> 00:57:35,049
that most people don't know.
1329
00:57:35,118 --> 00:57:36,918
The holodeck
was in an episode
1330
00:57:37,020 --> 00:57:38,753
of the "Star Trek" cartoon,"Practical Joker."
1331
00:57:38,855 --> 00:57:40,154
That was the first timewe saw that.
1332
00:57:40,223 --> 00:57:42,323
- If you look at "Star Trek,"
the original "Star Trek,"
1333
00:57:42,392 --> 00:57:45,693
you will see Spockholding little cards
1334
00:57:45,762 --> 00:57:48,229
and data cardsthat he would slip
1335
00:57:48,331 --> 00:57:50,031
into a slot on the computer.
1336
00:57:50,133 --> 00:57:52,733
They look exactly like
the 3 1/2" floppy disks
1337
00:57:52,836 --> 00:57:54,769
that were created
20 years later.
1338
00:57:54,871 --> 00:57:56,871
- It's remarkable to think,
you know,
1339
00:57:56,940 --> 00:57:58,206
Siri's getting pretty close
1340
00:57:58,308 --> 00:57:59,841
to the computer
on the Enterprise.
1341
00:57:59,943 --> 00:58:03,244
- "Star Trek," I think,
on the technology side,
1342
00:58:03,313 --> 00:58:06,147
partly it's the extraordinary
vision of Gene and the people
1343
00:58:06,249 --> 00:58:08,683
that he worked with
in creating that original show
1344
00:58:08,785 --> 00:58:12,587
and thinking about how things
can be better in the future,
1345
00:58:12,689 --> 00:58:14,822
and then people growing upwatching "Star Trek"
1346
00:58:14,924 --> 00:58:16,457
making those things happen
1347
00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:18,426
because they were inspired
by "Star Trek."
1348
00:58:18,528 --> 00:58:21,562
So it's a really fascinating
kind of feedback loop
1349
00:58:21,664 --> 00:58:24,265
between art and science.
1350
00:58:24,334 --> 00:58:26,734
- I can't think of another showthat had nearly the impact
1351
00:58:26,836 --> 00:58:30,705
for people who really, you know,
work in the aerospace industry
1352
00:58:30,807 --> 00:58:32,273
that "Star Trek" did,
right.
1353
00:58:32,342 --> 00:58:34,408
Or even for a lot of cases,
physics and things like that.
1354
00:58:34,510 --> 00:58:37,945
Because it did take
a realistic approach to science
1355
00:58:38,047 --> 00:58:40,181
and using science
to solve problems.
1356
00:58:40,250 --> 00:58:43,217
But you try to solve them
with a rational approach.
1357
00:58:43,319 --> 00:58:46,254
narrator: Coming up,the Enterprise lifts off.
1358
00:58:48,824 --> 00:58:49,857
narrator: "Star Trek" beginsas a prime-time
1359
00:58:49,926 --> 00:58:51,258
television series,
1360
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:52,893
but over the nexthalf century,
1361
00:58:52,995 --> 00:58:55,329
it reaches far beyondthe airwaves
1362
00:58:55,431 --> 00:58:57,631
to help shape our world.
1363
00:58:57,733 --> 00:59:00,234
- "Star Trek" inspired people.
1364
00:59:00,303 --> 00:59:03,971
"Star Trek," like,
people became scientists.
1365
00:59:04,073 --> 00:59:05,539
They became physicists.
1366
00:59:05,641 --> 00:59:08,208
They became doctorsand astronauts
1367
00:59:08,311 --> 00:59:10,144
because of "Star Trek."
1368
00:59:10,212 --> 00:59:12,947
- When you see someone who says,
"You were such a role model.
1369
00:59:13,015 --> 00:59:14,815
You know, I went to med school
because of you."
1370
00:59:14,917 --> 00:59:16,750
Or, "I got into nursing
because of you."
1371
00:59:16,852 --> 00:59:19,386
It made it richer for me.It made it a richer experience.
1372
00:59:19,488 --> 00:59:21,288
- One of the reasons I wanted
to become an engineer
1373
00:59:21,390 --> 00:59:23,157
was because of "Star Trek."
1374
00:59:23,259 --> 00:59:26,961
Because there was something
different about it
1375
00:59:27,029 --> 00:59:31,532
in that the world felt
more thought through and real
1376
00:59:31,634 --> 00:59:34,101
than other things
that you had seen.
1377
00:59:34,203 --> 00:59:37,571
- I mean, there's a picture
of NASA and Mission Control
1378
00:59:37,673 --> 00:59:39,740
and people were wearingSpock ears.
1379
00:59:39,842 --> 00:59:43,744
- People who went to college
to study physics
1380
00:59:43,846 --> 00:59:46,413
or engineering or medicine
because they grew up
1381
00:59:46,482 --> 00:59:48,148
and were inspired
by "Star Trek."
1382
00:59:48,217 --> 00:59:50,951
And wanted to be the next Scotty
or the next Dr. McCoy.
1383
00:59:51,053 --> 00:59:52,486
- Jimmy Doohan,
who played Scotty,
1384
00:59:52,588 --> 00:59:54,888
and DeForest Kelley,
who played McCoy,
1385
00:59:54,957 --> 00:59:58,959
were always relating stories
1386
00:59:59,061 --> 01:00:00,527
of peoplewho had written to them
1387
01:00:00,596 --> 01:00:02,596
and would become engineersand doctors
1388
01:00:02,698 --> 01:00:04,531
because of "Star Trek."
1389
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:06,767
I think that was great.
1390
01:00:06,869 --> 01:00:10,070
But how does that apply to me?
And it didn't.
1391
01:00:10,139 --> 01:00:12,106
And for the longest time,
it didn't.
1392
01:00:12,208 --> 01:00:15,609
Until I met a young lady,who after "Star Trek"
1393
01:00:15,678 --> 01:00:19,046
had gone to schoolto learn Russian
1394
01:00:19,148 --> 01:00:22,216
and went to workfor the State Department.
1395
01:00:22,318 --> 01:00:26,887
Her mission
was so important
1396
01:00:26,956 --> 01:00:28,856
that she couldn't tell me
what it was about.
1397
01:00:28,958 --> 01:00:30,958
But it had to do
with the Russians,
1398
01:00:31,060 --> 01:00:34,194
so I actually helped
inspire a spy.
1399
01:00:35,431 --> 01:00:37,598
- I was so fascinated
by "Star Trek"
1400
01:00:37,700 --> 01:00:41,068
that maybe the first filmmaking
book I can remember reading was
1401
01:00:41,170 --> 01:00:43,570
"The Making of Star Trek"
by Stephen Whitfield.
1402
01:00:43,673 --> 01:00:45,439
And I remember beingso fascinated
1403
01:00:45,541 --> 01:00:48,842
by looking at the
behind-the-scenes pictures,
1404
01:00:48,944 --> 01:00:51,679
the layout of how the sets
were put together
1405
01:00:51,781 --> 01:00:54,314
at Desilu
and Paramount Studios.
1406
01:00:54,417 --> 01:00:56,550
The idea of using
a colored light
1407
01:00:56,619 --> 01:00:58,519
to create different planets.
1408
01:00:58,621 --> 01:01:01,922
Just all the imagination
that went into it,
1409
01:01:01,991 --> 01:01:03,757
it just really excited me,
1410
01:01:03,859 --> 01:01:07,327
and it really became a doorway
into the idea of filmmaking
1411
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:10,764
and into television,
which obviously, you know,
1412
01:01:10,866 --> 01:01:12,132
I've spent my whole life on.
1413
01:01:12,234 --> 01:01:14,802
- Probably one of the most
influential books in my life
1414
01:01:14,904 --> 01:01:16,704
was discovering
"The Making of Star Trek"
1415
01:01:16,806 --> 01:01:19,273
by Stephen Whitfield, which Ifound at a school book fair
1416
01:01:19,375 --> 01:01:20,841
in the sixth grade.
1417
01:01:20,910 --> 01:01:24,311
And I read that thing cover
to cover over and over again
1418
01:01:24,413 --> 01:01:27,114
'cause that really was about the
making of a television series,
1419
01:01:27,183 --> 01:01:30,517
about selling a pilot,
you know, show bibles
1420
01:01:30,619 --> 01:01:32,986
and production questions
and issues
1421
01:01:33,089 --> 01:01:34,121
and fighting with networks.
1422
01:01:34,190 --> 01:01:36,690
And I was completely
enthralled with it.
1423
01:01:36,792 --> 01:01:40,661
And it sort of--it imprinted
itself in me in a profound way.
1424
01:01:40,730 --> 01:01:42,730
You know, I didn't really
think about
1425
01:01:42,832 --> 01:01:45,032
becoming a television writer
at that age,
1426
01:01:45,101 --> 01:01:46,233
and wouldn't for many,
many years.
1427
01:01:46,335 --> 01:01:48,035
'Cause that wasn't a real job.
1428
01:01:48,104 --> 01:01:50,871
But reading that book
gave me a hunger to do that.
1429
01:01:50,973 --> 01:01:53,607
I wanted, on some basic level,
to do that, too,
1430
01:01:53,709 --> 01:01:56,110
to make a television series
and to do those things
1431
01:01:56,212 --> 01:01:57,478
like Gene had done.
1432
01:01:57,546 --> 01:02:01,048
- We were invited to the rollout
of the Enterprise shuttle.
1433
01:02:01,117 --> 01:02:04,551
I didn't have an understandingof how significant it was
1434
01:02:04,653 --> 01:02:06,420
until we got there.
1435
01:02:06,522 --> 01:02:08,322
And there were several hundred
people there.
1436
01:02:08,390 --> 01:02:10,657
And they had
the Air Force Band.
1437
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:15,529
The conductor raised
the baton and waved his hand
1438
01:02:15,631 --> 01:02:18,599
and the band started
playing up.
1439
01:02:18,667 --> 01:02:21,935
The Enterprise rolled out
from behind the building,
1440
01:02:22,037 --> 01:02:24,338
and it was amazing to see.
1441
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,940
As it came out,
the band started playing
1442
01:02:27,042 --> 01:02:29,109
the theme music
from "Star Trek."
1443
01:02:29,211 --> 01:02:35,315
And we jumped up as one,
and were cheering and screaming.
1444
01:02:35,384 --> 01:02:38,185
It was just the most
remarkable moment.
1445
01:02:38,287 --> 01:02:40,954
And, you know, across the nose
of the shuttle
1446
01:02:41,023 --> 01:02:43,290
was the word "Enterprise."
1447
01:02:43,392 --> 01:02:47,361
For the first time, I realized
that there was a significance
1448
01:02:47,463 --> 01:02:51,431
beyond the fact that we were
a television show
1449
01:02:51,500 --> 01:02:53,066
that went on once a week.
1450
01:02:53,135 --> 01:02:56,837
That we really hadan influence in the culture.
1451
01:02:56,939 --> 01:02:58,272
And I guess it wasthe first time
1452
01:02:58,374 --> 01:03:01,675
that I really felt that
I could take a bow.
1453
01:03:01,777 --> 01:03:05,579
Up until then, my sense was,
"I'm a supporting character
1454
01:03:05,681 --> 01:03:07,815
"with very little to do.
1455
01:03:07,917 --> 01:03:11,752
I'm riding the coattails
of this television project,
1456
01:03:11,854 --> 01:03:14,021
and I haven't reallycontributed very much.
1457
01:03:14,123 --> 01:03:17,324
Well, that was all true,but I realized then
1458
01:03:17,426 --> 01:03:21,261
that I was part of a groupthat, as a group,
1459
01:03:21,330 --> 01:03:22,729
we had an influence.
1460
01:03:22,798 --> 01:03:25,899
That we had an influence
in society
1461
01:03:25,968 --> 01:03:27,668
- Because of "Star Trek,"
I am all the things I just said.
1462
01:03:27,770 --> 01:03:30,938
Engineer, physicist,
doctor, psychiatrist.
1463
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:33,507
I've joined the military.
I became a policeman.
1464
01:03:33,609 --> 01:03:37,377
But the most potent,
I think,
1465
01:03:37,479 --> 01:03:39,246
are the stories
where someone comes up
1466
01:03:39,348 --> 01:03:42,950
and looks you in the eye
and says,
1467
01:03:43,052 --> 01:03:46,520
"Star Trek was the only time
in my house
1468
01:03:46,622 --> 01:03:48,589
"where there was peace.
1469
01:03:48,691 --> 01:03:51,792
"Where my dad or my mother
or the abuse or the alcohol,"
1470
01:03:51,894 --> 01:03:54,461
or whatever it was, "the only
time where we sat together
1471
01:03:54,530 --> 01:03:58,899
and it was peaceful
and trouble-free."
1472
01:03:59,001 --> 01:04:01,168
And--and it's heartbreaking.
1473
01:04:01,270 --> 01:04:02,369
And it's true.
1474
01:04:02,438 --> 01:04:04,071
You can see it in their eyes
how true it is
1475
01:04:04,173 --> 01:04:05,372
and how important it is.
1476
01:04:05,441 --> 01:04:10,611
- There are people who have gone
to nine foster homes,
1477
01:04:10,713 --> 01:04:15,549
and the only steady thing
in all of those foster homes
1478
01:04:15,618 --> 01:04:17,718
was that the family
watched "Star Trek."
1479
01:04:17,820 --> 01:04:20,754
- "Star Trek" over the years
has inspired people.
1480
01:04:20,823 --> 01:04:26,126
And whether it's inspired them
to follow their dreams
1481
01:04:26,228 --> 01:04:28,128
or believe in themselves,
1482
01:04:28,230 --> 01:04:31,164
I mean, that's the--
one of the key messages
1483
01:04:31,267 --> 01:04:35,435
in "Star Trek" is,
"You're a great person.
1484
01:04:35,537 --> 01:04:37,738
"You have valid thoughts,
valid ideas.
1485
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:41,008
"Never think of yourself
as less than anyone else.
1486
01:04:41,110 --> 01:04:45,646
Now go out there
and follow your dreams."
1487
01:04:45,748 --> 01:04:47,281
- We were talking earlier,Doug,
1488
01:04:47,383 --> 01:04:50,984
before we started shooting here
and I just found out,
1489
01:04:51,086 --> 01:04:54,421
somehow, just found out
about a book right here.
1490
01:04:54,523 --> 01:04:55,989
- How could you
have missed this book?
1491
01:04:56,091 --> 01:05:00,861
- Here it is,
"The Making of Star Trek."
1492
01:05:00,930 --> 01:05:02,396
- That's the book.
1493
01:05:02,464 --> 01:05:04,164
- The book.
- The book.
1494
01:05:04,266 --> 01:05:06,533
That book
changed my life completely.
1495
01:05:06,635 --> 01:05:07,701
That book came out,
I guess, like,
1496
01:05:07,803 --> 01:05:09,002
the second season
of "Star Trek."
1497
01:05:09,104 --> 01:05:10,971
- Uh-huh.
- I was crazy about the show.
1498
01:05:11,073 --> 01:05:13,573
- That book was,
I mean for me,
1499
01:05:13,676 --> 01:05:15,943
it was like Popeye
downing a can of spinach.
1500
01:05:16,011 --> 01:05:16,977
Can I see it?
- I mean, look at this.
1501
01:05:17,079 --> 01:05:18,312
This is the diagram
of the bridge.
1502
01:05:18,380 --> 01:05:21,648
- Honestly, I mean,
it totally gave me a direction.
1503
01:05:21,750 --> 01:05:24,217
I knew what I wanted to do
after I read that book.
1504
01:05:24,286 --> 01:05:27,421
And I could say that
"Star Trek" and that book
1505
01:05:27,489 --> 01:05:29,690
made me who I am today, and that
kinda sounds a little sad.
1506
01:05:29,758 --> 01:05:32,192
But, you know, it led me
to a couple of Emmys.
1507
01:05:32,294 --> 01:05:34,261
Led me to
an Academy Award, you know.
1508
01:05:34,363 --> 01:05:36,496
And that's all because
of "Star Trek."
1509
01:05:36,565 --> 01:05:39,266
narrator: Coming up,the battle of the episodes.
1510
01:05:39,368 --> 01:05:40,968
The cast revealtheir favorites.
1511
01:05:41,036 --> 01:05:43,570
- This episode is brilliant.
1512
01:05:46,042 --> 01:05:47,475
- My favorite episodeswere always the ones--
1513
01:05:47,577 --> 01:05:48,809
personally, 'cause, you know,I was doing 'em.
1514
01:05:48,912 --> 01:05:50,778
- Mm-hmm.
- Were the ones where Seven
1515
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:52,179
was really exploring
her humanity.
1516
01:05:52,282 --> 01:05:54,382
So I think it was
"Someone To Watch Over Me"
1517
01:05:54,484 --> 01:05:55,883
where the doctor's teaching
Seven how to date.
1518
01:05:55,985 --> 01:05:58,085
- Oh, that's a great one.
- And I just--
1519
01:05:58,187 --> 01:06:00,621
I thought that was so lovely
and so touching,
1520
01:06:00,723 --> 01:06:02,223
and it just broke my heart
at the end
1521
01:06:02,325 --> 01:06:03,658
when he's kinda
falling in love with Seven
1522
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:05,426
and she's like, "Yeah,
there's nobody here for me."
1523
01:06:05,528 --> 01:06:06,961
I hated that moment.
1524
01:06:07,063 --> 01:06:09,397
- That's where you break the
exoskeleton if I'm not mistaken.
1525
01:06:09,499 --> 01:06:11,032
- Yes!
- The lobster.
1526
01:06:11,134 --> 01:06:12,366
- The creature has an
exoskeleton, yes.
1527
01:06:13,603 --> 01:06:15,603
So that was
one of my favorites, definitely.
1528
01:06:20,610 --> 01:06:24,278
- Well, a truly great
"Star Trek" episode,
1529
01:06:24,380 --> 01:06:28,683
in my opinion,
has a list of ingredients.
1530
01:06:28,785 --> 01:06:30,718
It's an equation.
1531
01:06:30,820 --> 01:06:33,721
And that equation includes:
1532
01:06:33,823 --> 01:06:36,657
a great high concept
1533
01:06:36,759 --> 01:06:39,927
that provides
cool character dynamics
1534
01:06:40,029 --> 01:06:43,130
and conflict,
but also is a parable.
1535
01:06:43,232 --> 01:06:44,565
It has some deeper theme.
1536
01:06:44,667 --> 01:06:46,067
- "Devil in the Dark"
1537
01:06:46,169 --> 01:06:47,501
I thought
was a wonderful episode
1538
01:06:47,603 --> 01:06:51,305
about--about
fear of the unknown.
1539
01:06:51,407 --> 01:06:52,840
How we fear--and even hate
1540
01:06:52,942 --> 01:06:55,276
something that we
don't know anything about.
1541
01:06:55,378 --> 01:06:57,111
Learn who your enemy is
and maybe then--
1542
01:06:57,213 --> 01:07:00,214
maybe then it's no longer
your enemy.
1543
01:07:01,384 --> 01:07:03,017
Interesting episode.
1544
01:07:03,119 --> 01:07:05,353
- You know, I rememberthe "Devil in the Dark" episode
1545
01:07:05,455 --> 01:07:07,188
with the Horta.That really left
1546
01:07:07,290 --> 01:07:08,489
a big impression on meas a kid,
1547
01:07:08,591 --> 01:07:10,424
that he didn't kill the monster
1548
01:07:10,526 --> 01:07:11,759
and that the monster
was a mother
1549
01:07:11,861 --> 01:07:13,194
and had all these eggs.
1550
01:07:13,296 --> 01:07:14,528
- They're eggs,
aren't they?
1551
01:07:14,630 --> 01:07:16,397
- Yes, Captain.
Eggs.
1552
01:07:16,499 --> 01:07:18,065
And about to hatch.
1553
01:07:18,167 --> 01:07:19,667
- "A City on the Edgeof Forever"
1554
01:07:19,769 --> 01:07:21,802
which is, of course,the episode of "Star Trek"
1555
01:07:21,904 --> 01:07:24,305
that is the one thateverybody knows is a great one.
1556
01:07:24,407 --> 01:07:26,774
It's a little bit--
it's an eccentric episode.
1557
01:07:26,876 --> 01:07:30,544
I love also the two-parter.
1558
01:07:30,646 --> 01:07:33,381
The repurposing
of the original pilot
1559
01:07:33,483 --> 01:07:34,715
into "The Ca--"
1560
01:07:34,817 --> 01:07:36,684
What is it,
"The Cage: Part one and two"?
1561
01:07:36,786 --> 01:07:40,821
And that's brilliant--we refer
to these shows all the time
1562
01:07:40,923 --> 01:07:42,356
on "Breaking Bad"
in the writer's room.
1563
01:07:42,458 --> 01:07:44,358
We prefer to, you know,
Tranya.
1564
01:07:44,460 --> 01:07:47,595
We refer to Captain Pikewith his--with the light.
1565
01:07:47,697 --> 01:07:50,164
I mean, which, you know,
couldn't even think of
1566
01:07:50,266 --> 01:07:52,566
as being a little bit like
a Hector Salamanca
1567
01:07:52,668 --> 01:07:54,735
when he's in the wheelchairand he's got the bell.
1568
01:07:54,837 --> 01:07:56,604
- I really loved"Yesterday's Enterprise."
1569
01:07:56,706 --> 01:07:58,172
It was a spec scriptthat I had
1570
01:07:58,274 --> 01:08:00,708
that had gone through
a couple of drafts already.
1571
01:08:00,810 --> 01:08:02,610
Then I took a pass at it
1572
01:08:02,712 --> 01:08:05,479
and reconceiving the story
and kinda making it
1573
01:08:05,581 --> 01:08:07,481
a much more darker universe
on the other side
1574
01:08:07,583 --> 01:08:09,884
and emphasizingthe war aspect of it.
1575
01:08:09,986 --> 01:08:11,452
And the tragedy of it.
1576
01:08:11,554 --> 01:08:14,922
- My favorite is my favorite
because it's just brilliant.
1577
01:08:15,024 --> 01:08:17,758
Brilliant writing.
Brilliant directing.
1578
01:08:17,860 --> 01:08:19,326
Brilliant acting.
1579
01:08:19,429 --> 01:08:21,762
And it's called
"Far Beyond the Stars."
1580
01:08:21,864 --> 01:08:24,698
It's where allthe series regulars
1581
01:08:24,801 --> 01:08:26,700
appear as humans,
1582
01:08:26,803 --> 01:08:30,504
and the episodehas to deal with racism.
1583
01:08:30,606 --> 01:08:32,506
It's not just good "Star Trek."
1584
01:08:32,608 --> 01:08:34,775
It's not just
good science fiction.
1585
01:08:34,877 --> 01:08:36,210
It's great literature.
1586
01:08:43,519 --> 01:08:45,853
- Well, you know,
I think I'm the last
1587
01:08:45,955 --> 01:08:47,688
character Gene created.
1588
01:08:47,790 --> 01:08:51,425
I think I'm the last one
that he actually created
1589
01:08:51,527 --> 01:08:53,694
based on Texas Guinan.
1590
01:08:53,796 --> 01:08:56,597
- Guinan her name was.After Texas Guinan
1591
01:08:56,699 --> 01:08:58,499
who was a famous card player
and gambler,
1592
01:08:58,601 --> 01:09:01,235
or whatever she was.
1593
01:09:01,337 --> 01:09:05,339
And Whoopi showed up in the show
and brought in
1594
01:09:05,441 --> 01:09:09,210
this--this aura.
1595
01:09:09,312 --> 01:09:12,113
And the wild--
remember the shovelhead hats
1596
01:09:12,215 --> 01:09:14,648
she used to wear?That beautiful face
1597
01:09:14,750 --> 01:09:16,884
with those big eyesand that gorgeous skin
1598
01:09:16,986 --> 01:09:19,954
and the voice.
And she played it so straight.
1599
01:09:20,056 --> 01:09:22,089
- Guinan was great, again,
'cause Whoopi's playing it.
1600
01:09:22,191 --> 01:09:24,125
Guinan was a strange,
mysterioso character
1601
01:09:24,227 --> 01:09:25,426
that no--none of us
really understood
1602
01:09:25,528 --> 01:09:26,760
what the hell she was.
1603
01:09:26,863 --> 01:09:29,630
When we started really
getting into "Next Gen"
1604
01:09:29,732 --> 01:09:31,665
in the later years,
what we said was,
1605
01:09:31,767 --> 01:09:33,734
"It's really about
her relationship with Picard.
1606
01:09:33,836 --> 01:09:35,703
"Yes, she's the bartenderand, yes, she listens
1607
01:09:35,805 --> 01:09:38,405
"to all their problemsand gives insight to people
1608
01:09:38,508 --> 01:09:41,675
"for various issues,
but she has some back-story
1609
01:09:41,777 --> 01:09:44,178
"with Picard, and it's a
personal relationship with him
1610
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:45,613
"that drives
that character forward.
1611
01:09:45,715 --> 01:09:47,281
"And it's the only reason
she's on the ship.
1612
01:09:47,383 --> 01:09:50,184
It's the only reason that she
really matters on the show."
1613
01:09:50,286 --> 01:09:53,187
- In my mind,
always believed that
1614
01:09:53,289 --> 01:09:56,023
Guinan was the
great-great-great-great-great-
1615
01:09:56,125 --> 01:09:57,858
great-great-great-great-great-
great-great-great-great-
1616
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,494
great-great-great-great-great--
couple more greats
1617
01:10:00,596 --> 01:10:03,097
grandmother of Picard.
1618
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:06,567
And the reason she's on the ship
is just to see how he's doing.
1619
01:10:06,669 --> 01:10:08,736
'Cause, you know, she can goanywhere at any time,
1620
01:10:08,838 --> 01:10:11,405
and she just irritates
the hell outta Q.
1621
01:10:11,507 --> 01:10:14,175
Which made me very happy.
John is wonderful.
1622
01:10:14,277 --> 01:10:17,077
- You know him?
1623
01:10:17,180 --> 01:10:18,579
- We have had some
dealings.
1624
01:10:18,681 --> 01:10:21,649
- Those dealings
were two centuries ago.
1625
01:10:21,751 --> 01:10:24,385
This creature
is not what she appears to be.
1626
01:10:24,487 --> 01:10:26,554
She's an imp,
and where she goes
1627
01:10:26,656 --> 01:10:28,522
trouble always follows.
1628
01:10:28,624 --> 01:10:30,558
- You're speaking of yourself,
Q, not Guinan.
1629
01:10:30,660 --> 01:10:33,127
- Guinan?
Is that your name now?
1630
01:10:33,229 --> 01:10:35,396
- Guinan is not the issue here.
You are.
1631
01:10:35,498 --> 01:10:40,701
- I ended up doing six episodes
of "Next Generation."
1632
01:10:40,803 --> 01:10:42,436
- Anytime there was an episode
with Q in it,
1633
01:10:42,538 --> 01:10:46,273
I loved because whenever
he was in an episode,
1634
01:10:46,375 --> 01:10:48,309
he was, you know,he was Agent Mayhem.
1635
01:10:48,411 --> 01:10:51,745
He was--it was going to be
something really intense,
1636
01:10:51,847 --> 01:10:53,781
and he was
seemingly unstoppable.
1637
01:10:53,883 --> 01:10:56,016
And so it was always
really fascinating to watch.
1638
01:10:56,118 --> 01:10:58,018
- Jonathan Frakes
used to say to me,
1639
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:00,087
"You're the litmus test.
1640
01:11:00,189 --> 01:11:01,789
You come back once a year."
1641
01:11:01,891 --> 01:11:05,359
I always looked forward
to come back, but I never asked.
1642
01:11:05,461 --> 01:11:07,194
It's a little bit like
asking whether you're gonna
1643
01:11:07,296 --> 01:11:09,330
be invited to somebody's
dinner party.
1644
01:11:09,432 --> 01:11:12,633
- The character of Q--
that omnipotent,
1645
01:11:12,735 --> 01:11:14,635
Machiavellian,
1646
01:11:14,737 --> 01:11:16,337
cunning, bitter,
1647
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:18,639
nasty, mean-spirited,
1648
01:11:18,741 --> 01:11:20,841
controlling character--
1649
01:11:20,943 --> 01:11:23,544
I can't even fathom
anybody else
1650
01:11:23,646 --> 01:11:25,779
doing as much with it.
1651
01:11:25,881 --> 01:11:28,249
Painting that canvas
as completely
1652
01:11:28,351 --> 01:11:32,620
as de Lancie did and does
with all his characters.
1653
01:11:32,722 --> 01:11:35,022
Have you any idea
how far we'll advance?
1654
01:11:35,124 --> 01:11:37,992
- Perhaps in a future
that you cannot yet conceive,
1655
01:11:38,094 --> 01:11:39,994
even beyond us.
1656
01:11:40,096 --> 01:11:42,329
- The character on the page
is just not as entertaining.
1657
01:11:42,431 --> 01:11:43,664
You give it to John de Lancie,
1658
01:11:43,766 --> 01:11:45,532
and it becomes
this other thing, right?
1659
01:11:45,635 --> 01:11:47,434
And everyone enjoyed
writing for him.
1660
01:11:47,536 --> 01:11:49,703
It really--
people would just write
1661
01:11:49,805 --> 01:11:52,206
scene after scene after scene
for Q in any of those shows,
1662
01:11:52,308 --> 01:11:55,676
and many of them were too silly
or too over-the-top,
1663
01:11:55,778 --> 01:11:57,645
but you just really enjoyed it.
1664
01:11:57,747 --> 01:11:58,912
You really couldn't wait
to dig your--
1665
01:11:59,015 --> 01:12:00,781
dig into a Q episode.
1666
01:12:00,883 --> 01:12:02,783
Internally, what we saidall the time was,
1667
01:12:02,885 --> 01:12:04,118
"Q is in love with Picard."
1668
01:12:04,220 --> 01:12:05,886
That was the fundamentalof the relationship.
1669
01:12:05,988 --> 01:12:07,321
He's in love with him.
He just is.
1670
01:12:07,423 --> 01:12:08,722
He loves Picard.
1671
01:12:08,824 --> 01:12:11,525
It's a particular relationship
with this one human
1672
01:12:11,627 --> 01:12:13,527
and this omnipotent being
that's bizarre,
1673
01:12:13,629 --> 01:12:16,063
but that's really
what's at the heart of it.
1674
01:12:16,165 --> 01:12:18,732
narrator: Coming up,Kirk versus Picard.
1675
01:12:18,834 --> 01:12:21,168
Who will winthe battle of the captains?
1676
01:12:23,472 --> 01:12:25,505
- "Star Trek"is so character-oriented,
1677
01:12:25,607 --> 01:12:27,674
and there were so many
great characters.
1678
01:12:27,776 --> 01:12:29,142
So many people got a chance
to shine.
1679
01:12:29,244 --> 01:12:30,677
But I think
that my favorite character
1680
01:12:30,779 --> 01:12:33,180
is "Mcskirk."
- "Mcskirk"?
1681
01:12:33,282 --> 01:12:34,214
- "Mcskirk."
1682
01:12:34,316 --> 01:12:35,549
Which is McCoy,
Scotty, and Kirk.
1683
01:12:35,651 --> 01:12:37,050
- Oh--
- 'Cause they're really one guy.
1684
01:12:37,152 --> 01:12:39,052
- I was like, "What did I miss?"
1685
01:12:39,154 --> 01:12:40,387
Mcskirk?
- I didn't see that episode.
1686
01:12:40,489 --> 01:12:42,122
- It's a transporter
malfunction.
1687
01:12:42,224 --> 01:12:43,824
- You take that--
those three--
1688
01:12:43,926 --> 01:12:45,726
those three,
it's like one guy
1689
01:12:45,828 --> 01:12:47,127
split up three ways.
1690
01:12:47,229 --> 01:12:48,528
You know, ordinarily,
if you have one person,
1691
01:12:48,630 --> 01:12:50,030
if you want to know
what's going on in their head,
1692
01:12:50,132 --> 01:12:52,299
you gotta have a voice-over
or something.
1693
01:12:52,401 --> 01:12:54,868
But with those three guys,
split up that way,
1694
01:12:54,970 --> 01:12:56,470
they could have
a conversation...
1695
01:12:56,572 --> 01:12:57,771
- Yeah.
- And it's really like one guy.
1696
01:12:57,873 --> 01:12:59,740
- I gotta go with Kirk.
1697
01:12:59,842 --> 01:13:01,475
- You gotta go with Kirk.
- I mean, the original series.
1698
01:13:01,577 --> 01:13:03,310
You just--the way he just
kinda, you know,
1699
01:13:03,412 --> 01:13:04,778
sauntered around.
- Yes.
1700
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:05,879
- You gotta love him.
1701
01:13:10,419 --> 01:13:12,819
- The Shat was the guy
I grew up on.
1702
01:13:12,921 --> 01:13:15,122
I admire Picard.
1703
01:13:15,224 --> 01:13:17,457
I love them all equally,
but...
1704
01:13:17,559 --> 01:13:20,160
uh...I think there is
no substitute
1705
01:13:20,262 --> 01:13:22,129
for Bill Shatner.
1706
01:13:22,231 --> 01:13:25,699
- Shatner's putting onsuch a great persona
1707
01:13:25,801 --> 01:13:28,168
of a trustworthy captain
1708
01:13:28,270 --> 01:13:30,370
with just enough sense of humor.
1709
01:13:30,472 --> 01:13:33,006
You know?
And calm under pressure.
1710
01:13:33,108 --> 01:13:34,775
And good with the ladies.
1711
01:13:34,877 --> 01:13:36,443
Shatner had it all.
1712
01:13:36,545 --> 01:13:39,079
The way he presented that
character was just so awesome
1713
01:13:39,181 --> 01:13:41,381
and believable and theatrical
at the same time.
1714
01:13:41,483 --> 01:13:43,350
He's not a subtle guy.
1715
01:13:43,452 --> 01:13:45,652
But I just thought it was great.
1716
01:13:45,754 --> 01:13:47,387
He fought--I think it was, like,
1717
01:13:47,489 --> 01:13:50,123
a Gorgan or whatever.It's where he had--
1718
01:13:50,225 --> 01:13:52,492
Captain Kirk is strandedin the desert
1719
01:13:52,594 --> 01:13:54,194
and he's got, like,
this lizard creature
1720
01:13:54,296 --> 01:13:55,862
he's gotta fight
and he's gotta learn
1721
01:13:55,964 --> 01:13:57,597
how to make, like, gunpowder
1722
01:13:57,699 --> 01:13:59,566
and projectiles
and stuff like that.
1723
01:13:59,668 --> 01:14:02,102
- Certainly the iconic,
classic scene
1724
01:14:02,204 --> 01:14:04,604
in which Spock--
or Kirk
1725
01:14:04,706 --> 01:14:06,573
confronts "God" and says,
1726
01:14:06,675 --> 01:14:08,875
"What does God
need with a starship?"
1727
01:14:08,977 --> 01:14:10,377
What other characterin the history of cinema
1728
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:12,779
would come up to God?Not even Charlton Heston
1729
01:14:12,881 --> 01:14:15,682
would say to God, "What do youneed with a starship?"
1730
01:14:15,784 --> 01:14:17,050
- Absolutely,
without question,
1731
01:14:17,152 --> 01:14:20,187
my favorite captain
is James T. Kirk.
1732
01:14:20,289 --> 01:14:23,123
I mean, he just--
Kirk did the right thing.
1733
01:14:23,225 --> 01:14:25,425
He said the right thing.People looked up to him.
1734
01:14:25,527 --> 01:14:28,595
He was a man of action.He was a man of romance.
1735
01:14:28,697 --> 01:14:32,532
And, like, I mean, as performedby William Shatner?
1736
01:14:32,634 --> 01:14:34,468
I mean, there was a reason why
as a little kid
1737
01:14:34,570 --> 01:14:36,303
I wanted to be Captain Kirk.
1738
01:14:36,405 --> 01:14:40,340
There's a reason why as
an almost 50-year-old grown-up
1739
01:14:40,442 --> 01:14:42,242
that I still watch
the original series
1740
01:14:42,344 --> 01:14:44,478
and I still wanna be
James T. Kirk.
1741
01:14:44,580 --> 01:14:45,946
He is the best captain.
1742
01:14:48,584 --> 01:14:49,816
- The way he wouldstare down
1743
01:14:49,918 --> 01:14:52,919
100-foot tall Apollo,
and with great...
1744
01:14:53,021 --> 01:14:55,222
sort of indignation:
1745
01:14:55,324 --> 01:14:57,791
"What gives you the right--"
you know,
1746
01:14:57,893 --> 01:15:01,862
to a 100-foot tall god...
1747
01:15:01,964 --> 01:15:04,197
he shouted,
"What gives you the right?"
1748
01:15:04,299 --> 01:15:06,366
When Apollo just could have...
1749
01:15:06,468 --> 01:15:08,268
done that.
1750
01:15:08,370 --> 01:15:11,571
Yeah, the sort of leadership
and the fearlessness
1751
01:15:11,673 --> 01:15:15,208
and also...my first
understanding
1752
01:15:15,310 --> 01:15:16,243
of what a...
1753
01:15:16,345 --> 01:15:17,744
you lead by example.
- Yeah.
1754
01:15:17,846 --> 01:15:19,246
- The captain's setting,
1755
01:15:19,348 --> 01:15:20,981
the fish stinks
from the head down,
1756
01:15:21,083 --> 01:15:23,550
all of those leadership
qualities
1757
01:15:23,652 --> 01:15:27,854
that hadn't been shown to me
by a family member
1758
01:15:27,956 --> 01:15:29,422
or by anyone at school,
a teacher.
1759
01:15:29,525 --> 01:15:34,461
Really, it oddly was
that leadership necessary
1760
01:15:34,563 --> 01:15:37,531
as put forth by
Captain James Tiberius Kirk.
1761
01:15:37,633 --> 01:15:39,966
- I mean, I love Captain Kirk.
However...
1762
01:15:40,068 --> 01:15:42,235
I have...
you know, I have to say
1763
01:15:42,337 --> 01:15:44,471
that I think my favorite captain
is Picard...
1764
01:15:44,573 --> 01:15:46,239
- Uh-huh.
- Because the thing is
1765
01:15:46,341 --> 01:15:48,441
Kirk is really
only 1/3rd of a guy.
1766
01:15:48,544 --> 01:15:50,143
- Oh...
- He's only 1/3rd of a guy!
1767
01:15:50,245 --> 01:15:52,045
- Interesting.
- Picard is a nice,
1768
01:15:52,147 --> 01:15:53,446
well-rounded guy.
1769
01:15:53,549 --> 01:15:55,715
And he doesn't have to
punch anybody in the face
1770
01:15:55,817 --> 01:15:57,484
to get his point across,
right?
1771
01:15:57,586 --> 01:15:58,752
- But if he has to, he can.
- Well, he can,
1772
01:15:58,854 --> 01:16:00,820
but he usually has
Riker do it or Worf.
1773
01:16:00,923 --> 01:16:03,056
Yeah, he, uh...
1774
01:16:03,158 --> 01:16:05,025
You know, for me,
in a lot of ways,
1775
01:16:05,127 --> 01:16:07,627
"Next Generation" was a...
1776
01:16:07,729 --> 01:16:09,696
"Star Trek" kind of grown up.
- Yeah.
1777
01:16:09,798 --> 01:16:11,398
- You know? And that
started with Picard.
1778
01:16:11,500 --> 01:16:13,567
- Yeah. My answer's
actually Picard too.
1779
01:16:13,669 --> 01:16:15,535
Just because I find him
to be--
1780
01:16:15,637 --> 01:16:17,904
I don't think he's the most
realistic of a captain.
1781
01:16:18,006 --> 01:16:19,973
I think that Picard
has so few flaws,
1782
01:16:20,075 --> 01:16:21,875
and he only really
finally becomes human
1783
01:16:21,977 --> 01:16:24,177
after he's a Borg
and then turned into a human.
1784
01:16:24,279 --> 01:16:25,478
You know, he really
just starts like--
1785
01:16:25,581 --> 01:16:27,614
They give him a love story
once in a while...
1786
01:16:27,716 --> 01:16:29,082
But it just--I don't know.
1787
01:16:29,184 --> 01:16:31,785
I just love--
I found Picard to be virtuous
1788
01:16:31,887 --> 01:16:34,521
and I found Picard
to be like, oh...
1789
01:16:34,623 --> 01:16:38,525
if humans could one day
turn into that guy,
1790
01:16:38,627 --> 01:16:40,827
maybe "Star Trek's" plausible.
1791
01:16:40,929 --> 01:16:42,362
But it's not gonna happen.
1792
01:16:42,464 --> 01:16:43,830
- Yeah, he's a great
representation
1793
01:16:43,932 --> 01:16:45,398
of kind of Rodenberry's vision.
- Yeah, a vision of what
1794
01:16:45,500 --> 01:16:46,666
humanity can be.
- A captain needs to be.
1795
01:16:46,768 --> 01:16:48,401
- What a captain is.
- Exactly.
1796
01:16:48,503 --> 01:16:49,903
- Yeah. Just putting every--
1797
01:16:50,005 --> 01:16:51,771
He just--I don't know.
I just always...
1798
01:16:51,873 --> 01:16:53,540
And that accent.
I mean, you can't really...
1799
01:16:53,642 --> 01:16:55,108
- Well, the accent, yeah.
- Top that voice.
1800
01:16:55,210 --> 01:16:58,545
narrator: Coming up, the50-year legacy of "Star Trek"
1801
01:16:58,647 --> 01:16:59,913
and beyond.
1802
01:17:02,216 --> 01:17:04,150
- The show is aboutwhat it is to be human,
1803
01:17:04,252 --> 01:17:06,085
and that never
goes out of style.
1804
01:17:06,187 --> 01:17:07,820
And it's the type of stories
that they tell
1805
01:17:07,922 --> 01:17:10,156
that you don't generally get
in other television shows.
1806
01:17:10,258 --> 01:17:12,124
- Yeah.
- The introspective...
1807
01:17:12,226 --> 01:17:14,460
And the basis of it is
who are we...
1808
01:17:14,562 --> 01:17:16,028
who are we
as human beings?
1809
01:17:16,130 --> 01:17:17,830
- I think it's because
1810
01:17:17,932 --> 01:17:19,932
it's an optimistic
view of the future.
1811
01:17:20,034 --> 01:17:21,634
- Hope.
- Yeah. It's hope.
1812
01:17:21,736 --> 01:17:23,169
- Yeah.
- I think that's exactly
1813
01:17:23,271 --> 01:17:24,870
what it is--
it's an optimistic portrayal
1814
01:17:24,972 --> 01:17:26,939
of what we could
hopefully achieve
1815
01:17:27,041 --> 01:17:29,642
and what our society
could be like
1816
01:17:29,744 --> 01:17:31,410
and that we finally
accept each other
1817
01:17:31,512 --> 01:17:34,180
and we finally learn
to look past differences
1818
01:17:34,282 --> 01:17:35,748
and things like that.
1819
01:17:35,850 --> 01:17:37,950
And I think that we so
desperately hope
1820
01:17:38,052 --> 01:17:40,052
that we can achieve that.
1821
01:17:40,154 --> 01:17:42,721
- And it evolves, you know,
from series to series,
1822
01:17:42,823 --> 01:17:44,190
over the 50 years.
1823
01:17:44,292 --> 01:17:46,292
It may have some core values
and ideas
1824
01:17:46,394 --> 01:17:48,093
and the optimism and the hope,
1825
01:17:48,196 --> 01:17:50,229
but it evolves
with the times, too.
1826
01:17:50,331 --> 01:17:54,166
So it, you know, it--
hopefully the next reiteration
1827
01:17:54,268 --> 01:17:57,436
will fit our times today
much like, you know,
1828
01:17:57,538 --> 01:17:59,471
"The Next Gen" did
in the late '80s, early '90s
1829
01:17:59,574 --> 01:18:01,607
or "Deep Space Nine"
and "Voyager" in the '90s,
1830
01:18:01,709 --> 01:18:03,976
and, of course, the original
series back in the '60s.
1831
01:18:04,078 --> 01:18:05,477
But it's been able to evolve.
1832
01:18:05,580 --> 01:18:07,179
It hasn't been
a static kind of franchise.
1833
01:18:07,281 --> 01:18:08,747
- That is what's great
about it, for sure.
1834
01:18:11,052 --> 01:18:13,085
- There's that
Martin Luther King line...
1835
01:18:13,187 --> 01:18:16,222
"The arc of history
bends toward justice."
1836
01:18:16,324 --> 01:18:17,856
I think for fans
of this show,
1837
01:18:17,959 --> 01:18:19,992
the arc of history
bends towards "Star Trek,"
1838
01:18:20,094 --> 01:18:22,428
that we have this hope,
this belief,
1839
01:18:22,530 --> 01:18:25,464
that...things
are getting better.
1840
01:18:25,566 --> 01:18:27,900
And that, yeah, we're probably
not gonna, you know,
1841
01:18:28,002 --> 01:18:30,035
run into guys
with pointed ears out there.
1842
01:18:30,137 --> 01:18:33,038
But we will find a way
1843
01:18:33,140 --> 01:18:35,507
to fix our problems
1844
01:18:35,610 --> 01:18:38,143
and move out into the universe
1845
01:18:38,246 --> 01:18:40,346
and believe in, you know,
the...
1846
01:18:40,448 --> 01:18:42,815
you know, the better angels
of our nature
1847
01:18:42,917 --> 01:18:45,718
and...and make the world
a better place.
1848
01:18:45,820 --> 01:18:49,088
- One thing about "Star Trek"
that I've said before
1849
01:18:49,190 --> 01:18:50,823
and I really believe it
1850
01:18:50,925 --> 01:18:55,394
is it was the Beatles
of 1960s TV.
1851
01:18:55,496 --> 01:18:57,496
And if you had to describe
the Beatles,
1852
01:18:57,598 --> 01:18:59,064
you would say it's magic.
1853
01:18:59,166 --> 01:19:01,200
And take any one of themout of that band,
1854
01:19:01,302 --> 01:19:03,068
and it's not the Beatles.
1855
01:19:03,170 --> 01:19:05,337
Well, "Star Trek's"the same way
1856
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:06,705
from the same period.
1857
01:19:06,807 --> 01:19:08,974
I mean,take William Shatner out.
1858
01:19:09,076 --> 01:19:10,476
Take Leonard Nimoy out.
1859
01:19:10,578 --> 01:19:12,878
Take Rodenberry or Coon
or Fontana out
1860
01:19:12,980 --> 01:19:15,547
or Deforest Kelley,
and you don't have it.
1861
01:19:15,650 --> 01:19:17,182
It's still gonna be good,
1862
01:19:17,285 --> 01:19:19,551
but it's not gonna be
what it is,
1863
01:19:19,654 --> 01:19:22,721
and we wouldn't have
what we have now 15 years later.
1864
01:19:22,823 --> 01:19:25,190
- I think there's a lot of
reasons why it endures so long.
1865
01:19:25,293 --> 01:19:28,093
You know, I think, um...
1866
01:19:28,195 --> 01:19:29,628
I think the biggest thing
to me,
1867
01:19:29,730 --> 01:19:31,764
in terms of its longevity
and success,
1868
01:19:31,866 --> 01:19:36,135
is that it is unique in that
its portrayal of the future,
1869
01:19:36,237 --> 01:19:38,671
the optimistic portrayalof the future,
1870
01:19:38,773 --> 01:19:41,073
does kind of stand alonein pop culture.
1871
01:19:41,175 --> 01:19:43,008
The vast majorityof science fiction pieces
1872
01:19:43,110 --> 01:19:44,677
that take place in the future,
you know,
1873
01:19:44,779 --> 01:19:47,646
show us a dystopian future,
a terrible future.
1874
01:19:47,748 --> 01:19:50,516
Here's the only real
science fiction construct
1875
01:19:50,618 --> 01:19:52,484
that I wanna go live in,
you know,
1876
01:19:52,586 --> 01:19:53,919
that I want to be part of.
1877
01:19:54,021 --> 01:19:57,156
I want to join that crew.
I want to live that life.
1878
01:19:57,258 --> 01:19:59,758
I want to have those adventures
with those people.
1879
01:19:59,860 --> 01:20:03,495
- "Star Trek" has something tosay about who we are as people,
1880
01:20:03,597 --> 01:20:05,664
who we aspire to be,
1881
01:20:05,766 --> 01:20:09,268
and it says that
we will endure.
1882
01:20:09,370 --> 01:20:11,303
We will overcome
all obstacles.
1883
01:20:11,405 --> 01:20:13,339
- I think "Star Trek"
will be around
1884
01:20:13,441 --> 01:20:15,341
for a long, long time
1885
01:20:15,443 --> 01:20:18,077
because it's a unique
piece of science fiction
1886
01:20:18,179 --> 01:20:20,913
in that it's optimistic.
1887
01:20:21,015 --> 01:20:22,181
"Star Trek" is optimistic.
1888
01:20:22,283 --> 01:20:24,183
It holds out the hope
1889
01:20:24,285 --> 01:20:27,686
not that humans are gonna besomehow perfect in the future
1890
01:20:27,788 --> 01:20:29,188
but things can get better.
1891
01:20:29,290 --> 01:20:30,889
- I think "Star Trek" succeeded
1892
01:20:30,991 --> 01:20:33,859
because a number of elements
fell into place.
1893
01:20:33,961 --> 01:20:36,962
They had a great overall story.
1894
01:20:37,064 --> 01:20:41,567
They're modern-day pioneers
where no man has gone before.
1895
01:20:41,669 --> 01:20:43,535
So it could be the Wild West.
1896
01:20:43,637 --> 01:20:47,139
It's the Wild West in space,
really, led by a great captain
1897
01:20:47,241 --> 01:20:49,007
and an incredible team.
1898
01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:51,877
- And I think it's gone onfor 50 years so far
1899
01:20:51,979 --> 01:20:55,981
because it is a show about
human interest
1900
01:20:56,083 --> 01:20:59,451
and adventure
and how far we will go
1901
01:20:59,553 --> 01:21:03,188
to try to learn more
and to expand our own worlds
1902
01:21:03,290 --> 01:21:04,556
and our own minds.
1903
01:21:04,658 --> 01:21:06,492
And I think that's something
that resonates
1904
01:21:06,594 --> 01:21:08,026
with people 50 years ago,
1905
01:21:08,129 --> 01:21:10,696
and it'll resonate with people
50 years from now.
1906
01:21:10,798 --> 01:21:15,067
- And now, of course, J.J. has
taken it to a whole other place.
1907
01:21:15,169 --> 01:21:17,136
- Why "Star Trek"is still relevant
1908
01:21:17,238 --> 01:21:20,406
is because of the paradigm that
Gene Rodenberry came up with,
1909
01:21:20,508 --> 01:21:23,008
the idea of unity,
of humanity--
1910
01:21:23,110 --> 01:21:26,345
and other species, actually--
working together.
1911
01:21:26,447 --> 01:21:28,080
There's an optimism to it
1912
01:21:28,182 --> 01:21:30,482
that I think we've never needed
more than now.
1913
01:21:30,584 --> 01:21:32,918
- Well, it starts with
the characters, you know.
1914
01:21:33,020 --> 01:21:34,420
I love the ensemble.
1915
01:21:34,522 --> 01:21:35,888
I love the idea that, you know,
1916
01:21:35,990 --> 01:21:37,289
this group of people
came together
1917
01:21:37,391 --> 01:21:40,159
and through the shared journey,
they become a family.
1918
01:21:40,261 --> 01:21:42,428
The sense of family
that goes beyond blood.
1919
01:21:42,530 --> 01:21:45,364
And I also love every night
there's a sense of discovery
1920
01:21:45,466 --> 01:21:46,965
and exploration, you know,
1921
01:21:47,067 --> 01:21:49,435
and that, to me, is the DNA
of "Star Trek."
1922
01:21:49,537 --> 01:21:51,770
- You know, I think
"Star Trek's" enduring appeal
1923
01:21:51,872 --> 01:21:54,840
is really because it presents
a vision of humanity
1924
01:21:54,942 --> 01:21:57,810
that is united and, particularly
in this day and age,
1925
01:21:57,912 --> 01:22:00,412
it's wonderful to have
kind of a beacon of morality
1926
01:22:00,514 --> 01:22:03,882
to see that, you know,
maybe the dystopian future
1927
01:22:03,984 --> 01:22:06,585
that you see in a lot of movies
like the "Mad Max" movies
1928
01:22:06,687 --> 01:22:09,321
and the "Blade Runner" movies
is not gonna be our future.
1929
01:22:09,423 --> 01:22:10,889
- Collectivism versus
separatism,
1930
01:22:10,991 --> 01:22:13,325
which is a big thing
in today's society, you know.
1931
01:22:13,427 --> 01:22:15,461
About how we're better
together.
1932
01:22:15,563 --> 01:22:17,596
And that was something
that we felt obligated to do.
1933
01:22:17,698 --> 01:22:18,931
This is "Star Trek."
1934
01:22:19,033 --> 01:22:20,833
"Star Trek" has always spoken
about who we are now.
1935
01:22:20,935 --> 01:22:23,602
- And now it's, I guess,
coming back on another network.
1936
01:22:23,704 --> 01:22:26,271
You know I'ma try to get on
there, you know, just to see.
1937
01:22:26,373 --> 01:22:30,442
Because I try--You know, Guinan
is everywhere all the time.
1938
01:22:30,544 --> 01:22:33,445
- A majority of the "Star Trek"
fans that I've met
1939
01:22:33,547 --> 01:22:35,080
are proactive
1940
01:22:35,182 --> 01:22:38,584
in making that vision ofa better future a reality.
1941
01:22:38,686 --> 01:22:41,854
- The "Star Trek" fansare the most unique people
1942
01:22:41,956 --> 01:22:43,455
you've ever met.
1943
01:22:43,557 --> 01:22:46,024
They know your character.
1944
01:22:46,126 --> 01:22:49,895
They know every episodeand what it meant
1945
01:22:49,997 --> 01:22:51,864
and how it affected them.
1946
01:22:51,966 --> 01:22:53,765
- If I were given the choice
1947
01:22:53,868 --> 01:22:57,336
of any character ever portrayed
on television--
1948
01:22:57,438 --> 01:22:58,737
that I could play
any character I wanted--
1949
01:22:58,839 --> 01:23:00,339
I would choose Spock.
1950
01:23:00,441 --> 01:23:02,608
- Well, people identified
with us.
1951
01:23:02,710 --> 01:23:05,844
They identified with
"Star Trek,"
1952
01:23:05,946 --> 01:23:08,814
they identified
with the characters.
1953
01:23:08,916 --> 01:23:11,316
They were dressing
in their own uniforms
1954
01:23:11,418 --> 01:23:12,885
and their own costumes.
1955
01:23:12,987 --> 01:23:15,754
- It resonated with
that group of people
1956
01:23:15,856 --> 01:23:17,723
that were kids, you know,
1957
01:23:17,825 --> 01:23:20,058
and now they're young adults.
1958
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:22,127
- "Star Trek"
created an umbrella
1959
01:23:22,229 --> 01:23:24,796
for everybody else.
1960
01:23:24,899 --> 01:23:28,200
And then once we got inunder the shade,
1961
01:23:28,302 --> 01:23:31,069
we then said, "Oh, come.Come and join us."
1962
01:23:31,171 --> 01:23:33,972
That's what "Star Trek" did.
1963
01:23:34,074 --> 01:23:37,142
And that tentwill continue to grow.
1964
01:23:37,244 --> 01:23:38,944
- And it's now 30 years later
for our show,
1965
01:23:39,046 --> 01:23:40,345
when I'm talking to you,
1966
01:23:40,447 --> 01:23:44,016
50 years for the original show,
and, I mean,
1967
01:23:44,118 --> 01:23:47,185
it goes in waves,
but people are still
1968
01:23:47,288 --> 01:23:49,821
attached to, committed to,
1969
01:23:49,924 --> 01:23:52,591
affected by, interested in
1970
01:23:52,693 --> 01:23:54,726
this thing that Gene invented,
1971
01:23:54,828 --> 01:23:56,778
and I was blessed enough
to be part of.
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