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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:13,881 --> 00:00:16,448 male narrator: On September 8th, 1966, 2 00:00:16,517 --> 00:00:19,818 America tunes in to catch a glimpse of the future 3 00:00:19,887 --> 00:00:23,055 and launches a global phenomenon. 4 00:00:23,157 --> 00:00:25,891 A television series like no other 5 00:00:25,993 --> 00:00:27,459 that unites us in its vision 6 00:00:27,528 --> 00:00:29,061 of a better world to come. 7 00:00:29,163 --> 00:00:32,498 - Here's a group of people who are solving problems together, 8 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:34,233 and they're all different, diverse people. 9 00:00:34,335 --> 00:00:37,870 narrator: This is the secret history of "Star Trek." 10 00:00:37,972 --> 00:00:40,005 It's epic 50-year mission. 11 00:00:40,074 --> 00:00:41,774 - That was what was so brilliant about "Star Trek" 12 00:00:41,876 --> 00:00:44,943 was that it was human nature and human instinct 13 00:00:45,046 --> 00:00:47,479 and the drive to want to know more 14 00:00:47,548 --> 00:00:49,281 combined with adventure. 15 00:00:49,350 --> 00:00:51,950 narrator: The mastermind of the "Star Trek" universe. 16 00:00:52,053 --> 00:00:54,520 - And Gene says, "Do you want to be on Star Trek?" 17 00:00:54,622 --> 00:00:58,157 I said, "Yes. Yes!" 18 00:00:58,259 --> 00:01:00,359 narrator: The cast and crew reveal the stories 19 00:01:00,461 --> 00:01:01,660 you've never heard. 20 00:01:01,729 --> 00:01:03,028 - Roddenberry looked at the beard and goes, 21 00:01:03,097 --> 00:01:05,464 "I love the beard. It's nautical." 22 00:01:05,566 --> 00:01:09,001 narrator: Plus Leonard Nimoy's final full interview. 23 00:01:09,103 --> 00:01:11,136 - If I were given the choice of any character 24 00:01:11,238 --> 00:01:14,907 ever portrayed on television, I would choose Spock. 25 00:01:15,009 --> 00:01:16,308 - Happy anniversary, "Star Trek." 26 00:01:16,377 --> 00:01:18,510 Happy 50th. Wow, way to go. 27 00:01:18,612 --> 00:01:20,913 - Before anybody else were touching on subjects, 28 00:01:21,015 --> 00:01:23,715 racism, segregation, discrimination, 29 00:01:23,818 --> 00:01:25,617 before any other TV shows did. 30 00:01:25,719 --> 00:01:28,520 - "Star Trek: Voyager" is probably my first acting job. 31 00:01:28,622 --> 00:01:30,055 - There's an optimism to it 32 00:01:30,157 --> 00:01:32,424 that I think we've never needed more than now. 33 00:01:32,526 --> 00:01:34,226 - Seven of Nine's one of my favorite "Star Trek" characters 34 00:01:34,295 --> 00:01:35,794 because she was so hot. 35 00:01:35,896 --> 00:01:38,564 narrator: Featuring an intimate conversation with cast members, 36 00:01:38,666 --> 00:01:41,266 comedians, scientists, and academics 37 00:01:41,368 --> 00:01:43,435 covering all things "Star Trek." 38 00:01:43,537 --> 00:01:45,604 - That was one of my big fears in accepting the role. 39 00:01:45,673 --> 00:01:48,841 - Happy 50th anniversary, "Star Trek." 40 00:01:48,943 --> 00:01:50,576 You know how old that makes me? 41 00:01:50,678 --> 00:01:54,113 narrator: "50 Years of 'Star Trek." 42 00:01:57,551 --> 00:02:00,285 - We're here on the 50th anniversary of "Star Trek" 43 00:02:00,387 --> 00:02:02,421 at the Griffith Observatory 44 00:02:02,490 --> 00:02:04,723 outside the Leonard Nimoy theater 45 00:02:04,825 --> 00:02:08,594 to discuss "Star Trek" with a lot of great people 46 00:02:08,662 --> 00:02:10,629 and a lot of fine minds and Kevin Pollak. 47 00:02:13,033 --> 00:02:14,967 Let's just jump right into it. 48 00:02:15,035 --> 00:02:18,036 Let's talk about the general impact of "Star Trek." 49 00:02:18,139 --> 00:02:21,206 - The great sense of discovery and curiosity 50 00:02:21,308 --> 00:02:24,109 on this five-year mission to seek out new worlds. 51 00:02:24,211 --> 00:02:25,611 You know, those--those-- 52 00:02:25,679 --> 00:02:28,213 that phraseology was kind of impactful. 53 00:02:28,315 --> 00:02:30,516 - "The Measure of Man" where Data's on trial, 54 00:02:30,584 --> 00:02:33,252 that's the episode that led me to create my class. 55 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:34,486 - Oh, wow. - Because it has references 56 00:02:34,588 --> 00:02:36,288 to slavery in it, and I thought about, 57 00:02:36,390 --> 00:02:37,723 "Gee, this is very interesting." 58 00:02:37,791 --> 00:02:40,025 You know, there's a whole pro-slavery argument. 59 00:02:40,127 --> 00:02:42,728 It's really the Dred Scott decision worked out there. 60 00:02:42,830 --> 00:02:44,296 - Yeah. - Is Data property or not? 61 00:02:44,398 --> 00:02:45,898 - I saw a couple episodes 62 00:02:45,966 --> 00:02:47,466 of the original series when I was a kid 63 00:02:47,568 --> 00:02:50,202 because you can't not have seen some things. 64 00:02:50,304 --> 00:02:51,803 I saw the Tribble episode, I think, 65 00:02:51,872 --> 00:02:55,007 and I saw the planet of kids, "grups." 66 00:02:55,109 --> 00:02:56,141 And they were saying, "Grups, grups," that one. 67 00:02:56,243 --> 00:02:57,509 Whatever. - Yeah. 68 00:02:57,611 --> 00:02:59,545 - But I was never a sci-fi fan, so I wasn't into it. 69 00:02:59,613 --> 00:03:01,647 And I never watched any of the other incarnations 70 00:03:01,749 --> 00:03:02,748 until I was on the show. 71 00:03:02,850 --> 00:03:05,250 - I saw "Star Trek" as this, you know, 72 00:03:05,352 --> 00:03:07,586 amazing way of bringing humanity together, right? 73 00:03:07,688 --> 00:03:09,154 You had the height of the Cold War. 74 00:03:09,256 --> 00:03:11,390 You had Russian and American people working together. 75 00:03:11,492 --> 00:03:14,259 You had black people and white people working together. 76 00:03:14,328 --> 00:03:16,428 That's an incredible thing to see as a kid 77 00:03:16,530 --> 00:03:19,464 when, you know, you're from two worlds 78 00:03:19,533 --> 00:03:21,500 that really also don't get along. 79 00:03:21,602 --> 00:03:22,868 - I first started on the original series, 80 00:03:22,970 --> 00:03:24,603 my mother was a big fan, and those were reruns 81 00:03:24,705 --> 00:03:25,871 that were happening at the time. 82 00:03:25,973 --> 00:03:28,273 It was right before "Next Generation" started 83 00:03:28,342 --> 00:03:30,342 and it was--I just always was fascinated 84 00:03:30,444 --> 00:03:32,578 by Dr. McCoy's grumpiness. 85 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,846 That relationship with Spock I thought was amazing. 86 00:03:34,949 --> 00:03:36,782 He just was, like, "I can't stand you, 87 00:03:36,884 --> 00:03:38,150 but I love you." - Yeah. 88 00:03:38,252 --> 00:03:40,085 - And I was like, "Oh, that's my family." 89 00:03:41,455 --> 00:03:43,789 I understand everything from "Star Trek." 90 00:03:43,891 --> 00:03:45,190 - Yes. - You know, it's funny 91 00:03:45,259 --> 00:03:47,859 because I wasn't allowed to watch TV 92 00:03:47,962 --> 00:03:49,461 when "Star Trek" was on the air. 93 00:03:49,530 --> 00:03:51,063 My parents wouldn't let me watch it. 94 00:03:51,165 --> 00:03:53,665 So I snuck downstairs and I turned on the TV. 95 00:03:53,734 --> 00:03:57,502 And, uh, that was my first-- the first time I saw the show. 96 00:03:57,605 --> 00:03:59,571 I think it was, um, "This Side of Paradise" 97 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:00,839 was the episode. - Oh. 98 00:04:00,908 --> 00:04:04,243 - And you could tell that whoever was doing the show 99 00:04:04,345 --> 00:04:05,877 was a science fiction fan. 100 00:04:05,980 --> 00:04:11,083 101 00:04:11,185 --> 00:04:14,253 narrator: "Star Trek" begins as the brainchild of one man, 102 00:04:14,355 --> 00:04:17,422 Gene Roddenberry, a former World War II pilot 103 00:04:17,524 --> 00:04:19,691 and policeman turned screenwriter. 104 00:04:19,793 --> 00:04:23,228 His first television series premieres in 1963, 105 00:04:23,297 --> 00:04:25,964 and features a few faces that will soon become familiar 106 00:04:26,066 --> 00:04:28,433 to "Trek" fans. 107 00:04:28,535 --> 00:04:31,103 - He was a big man, enthusiastic. 108 00:04:31,205 --> 00:04:34,740 He really, really loved producing a show, 109 00:04:34,842 --> 00:04:36,308 which he had never done before. 110 00:04:36,377 --> 00:04:37,609 He created "The Lieutenant." 111 00:04:39,713 --> 00:04:43,482 - It was "The Lieutenant." It was his first big TV show. 112 00:04:43,584 --> 00:04:45,917 And he cast me. 113 00:04:46,020 --> 00:04:49,955 - I had acted in an episode of a series called "The Lieutenant" 114 00:04:50,024 --> 00:04:51,857 that was produced by Gene Roddenberry. 115 00:04:51,925 --> 00:04:53,792 My agent called me and said, "He's interested in you 116 00:04:53,894 --> 00:04:57,763 for a science fiction pilot that he's gonna produce. 117 00:04:57,865 --> 00:05:00,332 narrator: "The Lieutenant" runs for just one season, 118 00:05:00,401 --> 00:05:03,602 but Roddenberry's already working on a bigger idea. 119 00:05:03,671 --> 00:05:07,806 In 1964, he begins pitching a series about a starship 120 00:05:07,908 --> 00:05:09,541 with a multi-ethnic crew. 121 00:05:09,643 --> 00:05:12,944 - I had worked for him directly when his secretary was ill. 122 00:05:13,047 --> 00:05:16,315 And he knew that I had sold some things 123 00:05:16,417 --> 00:05:19,418 that I wanted to be a writer, a full-time writer. 124 00:05:19,486 --> 00:05:21,887 And he called me into his office and said, 125 00:05:21,955 --> 00:05:23,955 "What do you think of this?" And he showed me 126 00:05:24,058 --> 00:05:28,427 about a 10-12 page piece that was called "Star Trek." 127 00:05:28,495 --> 00:05:32,464 - Well, he had done... both: "The Lieutenant." 128 00:05:32,566 --> 00:05:35,367 - I went in to do a pitch on a story. 129 00:05:35,469 --> 00:05:38,837 Somehow or another, he asked if I was interested 130 00:05:38,906 --> 00:05:41,006 in doing "Star Trek." 131 00:05:41,108 --> 00:05:43,709 I said, "Yeah, I would be interested in that." 132 00:05:43,777 --> 00:05:44,943 - And I went home, and I read it, 133 00:05:45,045 --> 00:05:46,111 and I came back the next day, and I said, 134 00:05:46,213 --> 00:05:47,212 "Who plays Mr. Spock." 135 00:05:47,314 --> 00:05:49,915 - The script was very good, very good. 136 00:05:50,017 --> 00:05:52,084 I didn't quite understand how it was gonna work 137 00:05:52,152 --> 00:05:54,753 as a television show because it was so unique. 138 00:05:54,855 --> 00:05:57,055 It was really quite special. 139 00:05:57,157 --> 00:05:59,091 But it was a very intelligent script. 140 00:05:59,159 --> 00:06:01,993 It had layers of ideas in it 141 00:06:02,062 --> 00:06:04,496 that you didn't often get in television. 142 00:06:04,598 --> 00:06:06,064 - Roddenberry was very inspired 143 00:06:06,166 --> 00:06:08,734 by Jonathan Swift's "Gulliver's Travels." 144 00:06:08,802 --> 00:06:11,269 And wanted to tell stories 145 00:06:11,338 --> 00:06:13,271 that you couldn't normally tell on television 146 00:06:13,340 --> 00:06:14,806 through the prism of science fiction. 147 00:06:14,875 --> 00:06:17,743 - He was such a complex and interesting man. 148 00:06:17,811 --> 00:06:20,879 Very bright, very bright. 149 00:06:20,981 --> 00:06:23,181 Hard-working. 150 00:06:23,250 --> 00:06:24,716 Tough job, tough job. 151 00:06:24,818 --> 00:06:26,551 Particularly getting "Star Trek" right 152 00:06:26,620 --> 00:06:27,986 the first couple of seasons. 153 00:06:28,088 --> 00:06:30,922 To get it--to get it what he wanted it to be. 154 00:06:30,991 --> 00:06:33,024 - They didn't think there was a big enough audience out there. 155 00:06:33,127 --> 00:06:35,260 They thought it was gonna be sci-fi kooks and kids. 156 00:06:35,362 --> 00:06:37,062 And they didn't think they could make enough money 157 00:06:37,164 --> 00:06:40,699 from their sponsors to put these on in prime-time. 158 00:06:40,801 --> 00:06:42,501 Well, they had put on "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" 159 00:06:42,603 --> 00:06:46,071 in fall of '64, winning its timeslot for ABC. 160 00:06:46,173 --> 00:06:48,974 Fall of '65, he puts on "Lost In Space" on CBS. 161 00:06:49,076 --> 00:06:51,543 It's winning its timeslot for CBS. 162 00:06:51,645 --> 00:06:53,612 That was when they made the decision to put it on 163 00:06:53,714 --> 00:06:56,214 for the fall of '66. NBC wants one. 164 00:06:56,283 --> 00:06:58,483 They felt they were missing the boat. 165 00:06:58,552 --> 00:06:59,918 narrator: President John F. Kennedy 166 00:06:59,987 --> 00:07:01,420 issues a challenge: 167 00:07:01,522 --> 00:07:04,723 To put a man on the moon before the end of the decade. 168 00:07:04,825 --> 00:07:08,960 The space race heats up as America looks to the stars. 169 00:07:09,062 --> 00:07:12,898 And one unlikely supporter sees an opportunity. 170 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,867 - Well, "Star Trek" may be the first TV show 171 00:07:15,969 --> 00:07:17,536 I can really remember. 172 00:07:17,638 --> 00:07:20,338 "Star Trek" and "Mission: Impossible." 173 00:07:20,441 --> 00:07:23,442 In fact, the both--the two great Desilu productions. 174 00:07:23,544 --> 00:07:26,645 - The other player in "Star Trek" 175 00:07:26,747 --> 00:07:28,480 and get it on the air was Lucille Ball 176 00:07:28,549 --> 00:07:30,582 with Desilu Studios. 177 00:07:30,651 --> 00:07:34,286 - It was Lucille Ball who said, "Let's make this." 178 00:07:34,388 --> 00:07:37,622 - That studio was built on reruns. 179 00:07:37,724 --> 00:07:40,258 And when "I Love Lucy" was in production, 180 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:41,993 they wanted to film it here in LA. 181 00:07:42,095 --> 00:07:44,162 So they said, "We'll pay the difference and film this 182 00:07:44,264 --> 00:07:45,831 if we can have the rerun rights." 183 00:07:45,933 --> 00:07:48,133 And the answer from Harry Ackerman at CBS was, 184 00:07:48,202 --> 00:07:49,301 "What's a rerun?" 185 00:07:49,403 --> 00:07:51,436 Nobody had ever rerun anything on TV. 186 00:07:51,538 --> 00:07:53,538 They shot it live, it was gone. 187 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,707 And "Star Trek" was brought in. 188 00:07:55,809 --> 00:07:59,678 And Lucy said, "I think that could rerun for ten years. 189 00:07:59,746 --> 00:08:01,480 Well, here we are 50 years later. 190 00:08:01,582 --> 00:08:03,415 "I Love Lucy" is still on five days a week 191 00:08:03,484 --> 00:08:04,916 in every city around the country. 192 00:08:05,018 --> 00:08:06,618 And probably the second most rerun show 193 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,320 in the history of television is "Star Trek." 194 00:08:08,388 --> 00:08:12,057 Let's give her credit, Lucy loved "Star Trek." 195 00:08:12,125 --> 00:08:13,925 And we wouldn't have had "Star Trek" without Lucy, 196 00:08:14,027 --> 00:08:15,193 so we love Lucy. 197 00:08:15,295 --> 00:08:18,897 - You know, my father passed away when I was 17. 198 00:08:18,999 --> 00:08:21,333 He's got such a legacy and he's touched so many people 199 00:08:21,401 --> 00:08:24,736 that I've learned a great deal about him after his passing. 200 00:08:24,838 --> 00:08:27,272 You know, he was a bomber pilot in World War II. 201 00:08:27,374 --> 00:08:32,344 He flew something like, uh, is it 79 or 89 missions. 202 00:08:32,412 --> 00:08:34,479 My father had seen the best of humanity 203 00:08:34,581 --> 00:08:36,147 and he'd seen the worst of humanity. 204 00:08:36,216 --> 00:08:38,517 But I think that really helped shape his view 205 00:08:38,585 --> 00:08:40,685 of "Star Trek" and that better future. 206 00:08:45,859 --> 00:08:49,594 narrator: The pilot episode of "Star Trek" is filmed in 1965, 207 00:08:49,696 --> 00:08:51,596 introducing the world to what would become 208 00:08:51,698 --> 00:08:54,566 one of the most iconic characters of all time, 209 00:08:54,668 --> 00:08:56,801 Mr. Spock. 210 00:08:56,870 --> 00:08:59,037 - And he shoved a picture of Leonard Nimoy 211 00:08:59,139 --> 00:09:00,238 across the desk at me. 212 00:09:00,340 --> 00:09:04,142 At that point, he was a Martian first officer. 213 00:09:04,244 --> 00:09:06,177 - He said a character with pointed ears, 214 00:09:06,246 --> 00:09:08,647 and that set me back a bit. 215 00:09:08,749 --> 00:09:10,515 I had to think about that one. 216 00:09:10,617 --> 00:09:16,087 - Leonard was an actor. He was a real actor. 217 00:09:16,156 --> 00:09:17,656 - And he walked me through the various departments. 218 00:09:17,724 --> 00:09:19,558 He showed me where they were making the props. 219 00:09:19,626 --> 00:09:21,960 He showed me where the sets were being designed, 220 00:09:22,062 --> 00:09:24,162 the design for the Enterprise, the ship. 221 00:09:24,264 --> 00:09:27,566 And I realized that he was selling me on this job. 222 00:09:27,668 --> 00:09:30,302 And that's the way it would happen. 223 00:09:30,404 --> 00:09:33,305 narrator: The network orders a new "Star Trek" pilot. 224 00:09:33,407 --> 00:09:34,940 Spock stays on board, 225 00:09:35,042 --> 00:09:37,375 but the Enterprise gets an entirely new crew, 226 00:09:37,444 --> 00:09:40,278 including a brash, young captain, 227 00:09:40,347 --> 00:09:41,646 James T. Kirk. 228 00:09:41,715 --> 00:09:45,784 - William Shatner had Kirk down 229 00:09:45,886 --> 00:09:47,886 from act one, scene one, 230 00:09:47,988 --> 00:09:49,521 and he played that through right till the end 231 00:09:49,623 --> 00:09:51,856 in "Star Trek: Generations" in 1994. 232 00:09:51,959 --> 00:09:54,025 - You know, Shatner, who's totally nailing the part, 233 00:09:54,094 --> 00:09:57,329 but DeForest Kelley, the person that Gene wanted 234 00:09:57,431 --> 00:09:59,798 from the beginning for Dr. McCoy. 235 00:09:59,900 --> 00:10:02,500 - Scotty felt like he was a little more fully formed 236 00:10:02,603 --> 00:10:04,069 as a character. 237 00:10:04,171 --> 00:10:06,605 There was an empathy with Jimmy Doohan's performance. 238 00:10:06,707 --> 00:10:08,740 We just liked Scotty. You wanted to hang out with Scotty. 239 00:10:08,809 --> 00:10:11,776 You wanted to go have a drink in the bar with Scotty, you know? 240 00:10:11,878 --> 00:10:13,378 - It's a very hallowed and beloved thing 241 00:10:13,447 --> 00:10:15,146 that you don't want to mess up. 242 00:10:15,248 --> 00:10:16,748 I feel honored to play Scotty. 243 00:10:16,817 --> 00:10:18,516 I will always defer to the greatest Scotty ever, 244 00:10:18,619 --> 00:10:19,985 which was James Doohan, 245 00:10:20,087 --> 00:10:22,921 but if I can do half as good as he did, then I'll be happy. 246 00:10:23,023 --> 00:10:26,591 - George Takei, who plays Mr. Sulu, sat at the helm. 247 00:10:26,660 --> 00:10:29,794 - An Asian man on a show like this, 248 00:10:29,896 --> 00:10:31,529 you seldom saw anything like that. 249 00:10:31,632 --> 00:10:33,632 And here he was, a man with responsibilities. 250 00:10:33,734 --> 00:10:34,866 He was the helmsman. 251 00:10:34,935 --> 00:10:37,535 - Everyone, Nichelle, just beautiful and smart 252 00:10:37,638 --> 00:10:40,605 and an incredible role model as Uhura. 253 00:10:40,707 --> 00:10:45,543 - I think the first memory of "Star Trek" really was going, 254 00:10:45,646 --> 00:10:47,379 "Oh, look..." 255 00:10:47,481 --> 00:10:49,114 "There's a black lady in the future." 256 00:10:49,216 --> 00:10:51,416 And this was the first time I knew 257 00:10:51,485 --> 00:10:53,752 we would be in the future. 258 00:10:53,854 --> 00:10:55,654 - Later on, Walter Koenig as Chekov. 259 00:10:55,756 --> 00:10:58,623 - If the circumstances hadn't fallen the way they did, 260 00:10:58,725 --> 00:11:00,158 if things hadn't happened the way they did, 261 00:11:00,260 --> 00:11:02,861 then I probably never been in for the role 262 00:11:02,929 --> 00:11:05,063 of Chekov on "Star Trek." 263 00:11:05,132 --> 00:11:08,066 I read one line. He says, "You got the part." 264 00:11:08,135 --> 00:11:09,668 And that was the part of a Russian. 265 00:11:09,770 --> 00:11:11,102 - Who had a Russian on the show? 266 00:11:11,204 --> 00:11:14,406 We were still just reaching out trying to make contact 267 00:11:14,508 --> 00:11:16,241 with Russia in a friendly sense. 268 00:11:16,309 --> 00:11:17,976 - To bring these people together 269 00:11:18,045 --> 00:11:20,745 created the magic that is "Star Trek." 270 00:11:20,847 --> 00:11:24,015 - From day one, we got along... 271 00:11:24,117 --> 00:11:25,850 just like that. 272 00:11:25,952 --> 00:11:27,385 narrator: With the cast and crew assembled, 273 00:11:27,487 --> 00:11:30,689 the Enterprise is nearly ready to begin its mission. 274 00:11:30,757 --> 00:11:33,958 But Roddenberry knows something is missing. 275 00:11:34,061 --> 00:11:38,096 - G.R. said, "I gotta do an opening for the show." 276 00:11:38,198 --> 00:11:41,166 So he said, "You take a shot at it, 277 00:11:41,234 --> 00:11:43,635 I'll take a shot at it, we'll see what happens." 278 00:11:43,737 --> 00:11:45,236 - It was, "Space... the final frontier," 279 00:11:45,338 --> 00:11:48,306 was yours, wasn't it? - Yeah. 280 00:11:48,408 --> 00:11:49,941 "The final frontier." 281 00:11:50,043 --> 00:11:51,276 - "Space... 282 00:11:51,378 --> 00:11:53,178 "the final frontier. 283 00:11:56,883 --> 00:12:00,552 - So it was some Roddenberry, it was some Black. 284 00:12:00,654 --> 00:12:04,389 We came out with... 285 00:12:04,491 --> 00:12:07,792 "Boldly go where no man has gone before." 286 00:12:07,894 --> 00:12:11,329 - To boldly go where no man has gone before. 287 00:12:11,431 --> 00:12:18,737 288 00:12:18,805 --> 00:12:20,371 narrator: NBC premieres "Star Trek" 289 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,742 on a Thursday night in the fall of 1966. 290 00:12:23,810 --> 00:12:25,910 - Well, the first episode of "Star Trek," "The Man Trap," 291 00:12:25,979 --> 00:12:28,513 had 47% audience share. 292 00:12:28,615 --> 00:12:31,282 Lucy wrote a memo to Gene Roddenberry saying, 293 00:12:31,351 --> 00:12:33,718 "Congratulations, boys, you're a hit." 294 00:12:33,820 --> 00:12:35,353 - Back in the late '60s, 295 00:12:35,455 --> 00:12:38,556 what "Star Trek" was doing on television was cutting edge. 296 00:12:38,625 --> 00:12:39,991 It was ahead of its time. 297 00:12:40,093 --> 00:12:42,627 - This was the first time we saw a miniskirt on television. 298 00:12:42,729 --> 00:12:45,163 "Star Trek" premiered in September of '66, 299 00:12:45,265 --> 00:12:47,932 the mini made its debut in London 300 00:12:48,001 --> 00:12:51,236 in the summer of '66 and had not made it to America. 301 00:12:51,338 --> 00:12:53,204 He was way ahead of his time. 302 00:12:53,273 --> 00:12:56,007 - It was also a science fiction series 303 00:12:56,076 --> 00:12:59,844 that took the subject matter very seriously. 304 00:12:59,913 --> 00:13:02,413 narrator: "Star Trek" is unlike anything on television 305 00:13:02,516 --> 00:13:04,883 at the time, but what makes it unique 306 00:13:04,985 --> 00:13:07,152 also threatens to destroy it. 307 00:13:08,889 --> 00:13:11,589 Coming up, the end of "Star Trek" 308 00:13:11,691 --> 00:13:12,791 is just the beginning. 309 00:13:15,028 --> 00:13:16,594 narrator: "Star Trek" premieres in 1966, 310 00:13:16,696 --> 00:13:19,864 and instantly becomes one of the most ground-breaking series 311 00:13:19,966 --> 00:13:21,966 in the history of television. 312 00:13:22,068 --> 00:13:23,568 Gene Roddenberry's vision 313 00:13:23,670 --> 00:13:26,404 is a sign of changing times in America. 314 00:13:26,506 --> 00:13:30,408 - A story about a hopeful future made in a difficult time. 315 00:13:30,510 --> 00:13:32,376 The times were tough. 316 00:13:32,478 --> 00:13:35,446 The war in Vietnam, the racial issues that were happening, 317 00:13:35,548 --> 00:13:39,483 riots in the streets, riots at political conventions. 318 00:13:39,586 --> 00:13:42,019 People were angry and upset and nervous and concerned. 319 00:13:42,121 --> 00:13:43,688 And it was this thing that said, "Hey, 320 00:13:43,790 --> 00:13:45,523 "in the future we have a way of dealing with these issues. 321 00:13:45,625 --> 00:13:47,124 "It's gonna be okay. 322 00:13:47,227 --> 00:13:49,861 "Here's a group of people who are solving problems together. 323 00:13:49,963 --> 00:13:52,196 And they're all different, diverse people." 324 00:13:52,298 --> 00:13:53,998 narrator: "Star Trek" tackles the most pressing 325 00:13:54,100 --> 00:13:56,534 social issues of its day. 326 00:13:56,636 --> 00:13:59,737 - We had the one where Uhura and Kirk kissed. 327 00:13:59,839 --> 00:14:02,139 That, I think, was more of-- I mean, I think that was great. 328 00:14:02,242 --> 00:14:04,775 And the people in the South, there were probably 329 00:14:04,878 --> 00:14:07,044 a lot of people jumping out of windows at that. 330 00:14:07,146 --> 00:14:08,846 - The director was nervous. 331 00:14:08,948 --> 00:14:11,682 The front office at Paramount was nervous, 332 00:14:11,784 --> 00:14:14,685 which was just dumb, you know, then don't do it, 333 00:14:14,787 --> 00:14:16,020 which is what I said. 334 00:14:16,122 --> 00:14:18,122 And they went, "You don't want to do it?" 335 00:14:18,224 --> 00:14:20,992 I said, "I want to do it. It's written in the script. 336 00:14:21,094 --> 00:14:22,693 It's a great scene." 337 00:14:22,795 --> 00:14:26,964 This is the first interracial kiss on television. 338 00:14:30,069 --> 00:14:31,269 339 00:14:36,576 --> 00:14:41,312 - They were writing some pretty major stuff in those days. 340 00:14:41,414 --> 00:14:44,448 I mean, very eloquent writers. Very knowledgeable. 341 00:14:44,550 --> 00:14:47,852 - They did "Mark of Gideon," which got a lot of flack, 342 00:14:47,954 --> 00:14:51,522 about birth control, overpopulation. 343 00:14:51,624 --> 00:14:53,090 'Cause nobody had talked about that on TV 344 00:14:53,192 --> 00:14:54,592 up until that point. 345 00:14:54,694 --> 00:14:59,397 NBC was disappointed with "Star Trek" from the get-go, 346 00:14:59,499 --> 00:15:01,899 but the rating were not bad 347 00:15:02,001 --> 00:15:04,869 and the fan mail was huge. 348 00:15:04,971 --> 00:15:06,804 "Star Trek" is doing things 349 00:15:06,906 --> 00:15:09,173 that a lot of the affiliates were uncomfortable with, 350 00:15:09,275 --> 00:15:12,009 so they kept moving it from one bad slot to another 351 00:15:12,111 --> 00:15:14,145 until they finally put it in the death slot 352 00:15:14,247 --> 00:15:16,347 to get rid of this show. 353 00:15:16,449 --> 00:15:18,382 That is what killed "Star Trek." 354 00:15:18,484 --> 00:15:20,084 narrator: The original series is canceled 355 00:15:20,186 --> 00:15:23,087 after 3 seasons and 79 episodes. 356 00:15:23,189 --> 00:15:24,655 But it's gained a cult following 357 00:15:24,757 --> 00:15:26,991 that's become undeniable. 358 00:15:27,093 --> 00:15:29,860 Within four years, "Trek" is back on the air. 359 00:15:29,963 --> 00:15:33,764 This time reaching a new generation of young fans. 360 00:15:36,869 --> 00:15:38,669 361 00:15:38,771 --> 00:15:40,071 - My first contact with "Star Trek" 362 00:15:40,173 --> 00:15:43,240 was probably watching the animated series 363 00:15:43,343 --> 00:15:46,844 on Saturday morning TV in the early '70s. 364 00:15:46,946 --> 00:15:50,181 And, you know, I was really struck by the, you know, 365 00:15:50,283 --> 00:15:52,450 the bright colors of the uniforms. 366 00:15:52,552 --> 00:15:54,885 - The fans were very wary. 367 00:15:54,988 --> 00:15:57,254 In fact, some of the cast was wary too. 368 00:15:57,357 --> 00:15:59,390 They felt, "Hey, 'Star Trek' is starting to get momentum. 369 00:15:59,492 --> 00:16:01,025 "We think there could be more life in this. 370 00:16:01,127 --> 00:16:02,960 But if we do a cartoon, it's gonna kill it." 371 00:16:03,062 --> 00:16:05,496 And Gene Roddenberry was very cagey and very smart. 372 00:16:05,598 --> 00:16:07,531 He says, "No, this will fan the flames. 373 00:16:07,633 --> 00:16:09,867 This will keep it alive rather than let it disappear." 374 00:16:09,969 --> 00:16:11,369 And he was right. 375 00:16:11,471 --> 00:16:13,904 - It sounds funny for saying this, 376 00:16:14,007 --> 00:16:16,941 but it has never been canceled. 377 00:16:17,043 --> 00:16:23,280 You know, um, we were just off longer than we wanted to be. 378 00:16:30,423 --> 00:16:32,356 - So then we have the '70s, right, '70s hit. 379 00:16:32,458 --> 00:16:34,859 Everyone went to see that "Star Wars" situation. 380 00:16:34,961 --> 00:16:36,827 I think we can make some money. 381 00:16:36,929 --> 00:16:39,096 - So you had a TV script that was being padded out 382 00:16:39,198 --> 00:16:40,464 into a motion picture. 383 00:16:40,566 --> 00:16:42,266 They took themselves a little too seriously 384 00:16:42,368 --> 00:16:44,335 and they were trying to be a little more like, "2001." 385 00:16:44,437 --> 00:16:46,170 Then they brought in Robert Wise 386 00:16:46,272 --> 00:16:49,907 because he was known as a big-time movie director. 387 00:16:50,009 --> 00:16:51,575 - There never really been a movie 388 00:16:51,677 --> 00:16:53,377 years after a show was canceled. 389 00:16:56,149 --> 00:16:57,548 "Star Trek" would be the beginning 390 00:16:57,650 --> 00:17:00,384 of that phenomena, which--now, you know, 391 00:17:00,486 --> 00:17:01,919 well, unceasing phenomena. 392 00:17:02,021 --> 00:17:05,056 - When we came back to do the first really big one 393 00:17:05,158 --> 00:17:09,360 that we did after being away so long, 394 00:17:09,462 --> 00:17:12,563 it was amazing. 395 00:17:12,665 --> 00:17:14,231 narrator: "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" 396 00:17:14,333 --> 00:17:17,501 hits theaters in December of 1979. 397 00:17:17,603 --> 00:17:20,137 But the cast has its doubts. 398 00:17:20,239 --> 00:17:23,040 - So Robert Wise was a very good filmmaker. 399 00:17:23,142 --> 00:17:26,077 He was a multiple Academy Award-winning director, 400 00:17:26,179 --> 00:17:28,179 but he did not know "Star Trek." 401 00:17:28,281 --> 00:17:31,482 - We sat down to watch that first movie 402 00:17:31,584 --> 00:17:33,350 and the beginning was great. 403 00:17:33,453 --> 00:17:36,320 Dat-dat-dat-dat-dat-dat-dat. Bum-bum-bum-bum. 404 00:17:36,422 --> 00:17:39,290 And then it suddenly became a talking heads movie. 405 00:17:39,392 --> 00:17:41,192 Where was the friction? Where was the conflict? 406 00:17:41,294 --> 00:17:42,760 Where was the passion? 407 00:17:42,862 --> 00:17:44,228 - It had very little to do with "Star Trek." 408 00:17:44,330 --> 00:17:45,896 You had the spaceship, the Enterprise. 409 00:17:45,998 --> 00:17:47,832 You had the crew. 410 00:17:47,934 --> 00:17:49,533 But the story had very little to do 411 00:17:49,635 --> 00:17:51,435 with anything "Star Trek-y." 412 00:17:51,537 --> 00:17:54,438 The characters were not in shape, in place, 413 00:17:54,540 --> 00:17:56,006 playing off of each other and with each other 414 00:17:56,109 --> 00:17:57,942 the way we did best. 415 00:17:58,044 --> 00:17:59,944 - Why are they wearing pajamas? 416 00:18:00,046 --> 00:18:04,915 Why, you know, does it look like they're in a Holiday Inn? 417 00:18:05,017 --> 00:18:07,118 So a lot of what "The Wrath of Khan" 418 00:18:07,220 --> 00:18:10,054 proved to be about aesthetically 419 00:18:10,156 --> 00:18:13,257 and maybe even intellectually as well 420 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,127 was a reaction to what I saw. 421 00:18:16,229 --> 00:18:19,096 - And for a movie that was so poorly received, 422 00:18:19,198 --> 00:18:20,698 we had done extremely well. 423 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,868 To my great surprise, they said, "Star Trek II." 424 00:18:23,970 --> 00:18:27,037 narrator: "The Wrath of Khan" becomes an instant classic. 425 00:18:27,140 --> 00:18:30,040 It's villain is a genetically engineered superhuman, 426 00:18:30,143 --> 00:18:32,009 who first appeared in the original series 427 00:18:32,111 --> 00:18:35,045 bent on revenge against Captain Kirk. 428 00:18:35,148 --> 00:18:36,680 - "Wrath of Khan" is a classic. 429 00:18:36,782 --> 00:18:40,351 I mean, "Wrath of Khan" just works on every level. 430 00:18:40,453 --> 00:18:43,454 You know, it just does. It's pop entertainment. 431 00:18:43,556 --> 00:18:48,259 It's a fan's dream. It's fun. It's funny. 432 00:18:48,361 --> 00:18:50,127 The visual effects are state of the art 433 00:18:50,229 --> 00:18:52,029 and really hold up even to this day. 434 00:18:52,131 --> 00:18:53,797 Those space battles are fantastic. 435 00:18:53,900 --> 00:18:57,468 - Montalban was a charismatic actor. 436 00:18:57,570 --> 00:18:59,970 He really gave us this wonderful performance. 437 00:19:00,072 --> 00:19:02,239 It was theatrical, imaginative, creative 438 00:19:02,341 --> 00:19:05,109 performance as Khan in "Star Trek II." 439 00:19:05,211 --> 00:19:07,778 And he looked great. 440 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,481 And that was his chest that people thought 441 00:19:10,583 --> 00:19:12,750 had been built up with makeup or something. 442 00:19:12,852 --> 00:19:14,518 That was him, you know? 443 00:19:14,620 --> 00:19:17,855 It was really Ricardo Montalban. 444 00:19:17,957 --> 00:19:20,724 - That's his chest. It's his chest. 445 00:19:20,826 --> 00:19:24,228 Gives you an idea of "Star Trek-ian" scholarship 446 00:19:24,330 --> 00:19:28,866 that that's the most, you know, frequently asked question. 447 00:19:28,968 --> 00:19:30,100 narrator: Behind the scenes, 448 00:19:30,203 --> 00:19:32,403 the cast didn't always get along. 449 00:19:32,505 --> 00:19:35,806 - I had immediately had a good rapport with Nick Meyer, 450 00:19:35,908 --> 00:19:38,042 but as we went through several rehearsals 451 00:19:38,144 --> 00:19:39,743 working with the camera, 452 00:19:39,845 --> 00:19:42,012 Shatner would come over to me 453 00:19:42,114 --> 00:19:43,781 and start trying to redirect me. 454 00:19:43,883 --> 00:19:46,917 Is the word given, Admiral? - The word is given. 455 00:19:47,019 --> 00:19:49,353 - So I finally said, "Can I stop for a second?" 456 00:19:49,455 --> 00:19:51,121 Nick said to me, "What's the matter, Ike?" 457 00:19:51,224 --> 00:19:52,923 I said, "Well, I'm getting direction 458 00:19:53,025 --> 00:19:54,425 "from other people on the set, 459 00:19:54,527 --> 00:19:56,060 "and it's making me very uncomfortable. 460 00:19:56,162 --> 00:19:58,395 "I just want to make sure I'm doing my job correctly, 461 00:19:58,497 --> 00:20:00,064 So I'm listening to you." 462 00:20:00,166 --> 00:20:01,665 And he said, "That's right. 463 00:20:01,767 --> 00:20:03,834 You're listening to me. We good?" 464 00:20:03,936 --> 00:20:06,203 I said, "We're good. Thank you very much." 465 00:20:06,305 --> 00:20:09,006 And I just stood back. 466 00:20:09,108 --> 00:20:12,009 No one else ever said anything to me again after that. 467 00:20:13,512 --> 00:20:16,513 narrator: Khan uses mind control to achieve his ends, 468 00:20:16,616 --> 00:20:19,049 delivered in a gruesome way. 469 00:20:19,151 --> 00:20:23,954 - They're young. Enter through the ears. 470 00:20:24,056 --> 00:20:27,591 And wrap themselves around the cerebral cortex. 471 00:20:27,693 --> 00:20:29,026 - Yeah, well, that was fun. 472 00:20:29,128 --> 00:20:31,262 You know, being on the other end of that. 473 00:20:31,364 --> 00:20:33,931 What it was, it was a stunt bug. 474 00:20:34,033 --> 00:20:35,666 No, it wasn't a stunt bug. 475 00:20:35,768 --> 00:20:38,836 It was--it was a little thing that had 476 00:20:38,938 --> 00:20:41,071 a little rubbery plastic thing, 477 00:20:41,173 --> 00:20:45,542 and they had a fine filament thread attached to it. 478 00:20:45,645 --> 00:20:47,511 It was very hard to see. 479 00:20:47,613 --> 00:20:49,513 When it was going up my face, 480 00:20:49,615 --> 00:20:52,116 there was actually a guy standing above me, 481 00:20:52,218 --> 00:20:54,785 and they had drilled a hole in my helmet, 482 00:20:54,887 --> 00:20:58,455 and he was pulling it up my face on that filament. 483 00:20:58,557 --> 00:21:02,259 And when they got to my ear, 484 00:21:02,361 --> 00:21:05,796 and them I made all those screams, 485 00:21:05,898 --> 00:21:08,599 really unbecoming an officer, 486 00:21:08,701 --> 00:21:11,001 but they--that's what they wanted. 487 00:21:18,044 --> 00:21:19,777 narrator: But there is one scene that has become 488 00:21:19,879 --> 00:21:22,713 the defining moment in "The Wrath of Khan." 489 00:21:22,815 --> 00:21:26,216 - I read that script and I saw the conflict, 490 00:21:26,319 --> 00:21:27,885 and I saw the passion in it, 491 00:21:27,987 --> 00:21:31,989 and when I saw the scene where Spock tries to save the ship 492 00:21:32,091 --> 00:21:33,524 and dies in the process, I said, 493 00:21:33,626 --> 00:21:36,093 "This is a good, good film." 494 00:21:36,195 --> 00:21:37,561 - I really believed that this was going to be 495 00:21:37,663 --> 00:21:39,163 the final "Star Trek" movie. 496 00:21:39,265 --> 00:21:42,733 So I thought if "Star Trek" is coming to an end, 497 00:21:42,835 --> 00:21:45,569 maybe it's fitting that Spock should die 498 00:21:45,671 --> 00:21:47,204 saving the ship and the crew, 499 00:21:47,306 --> 00:21:49,273 and be a hero and go out in a blaze of glory. 500 00:21:49,375 --> 00:21:52,443 During the making of the movie, I began to be concerned 501 00:21:52,545 --> 00:21:54,011 that maybe I'd made a mistake. 502 00:21:54,113 --> 00:21:58,082 And on the day we went to shoot Spock's death scene, 503 00:21:58,184 --> 00:22:00,117 Harve came to me on the set. 504 00:22:00,219 --> 00:22:01,452 He came to me on the set and he said, 505 00:22:01,554 --> 00:22:04,855 "What can you give us that might be a thread 506 00:22:04,957 --> 00:22:08,092 for the future for Spock or 'Star Trek'?" 507 00:22:08,194 --> 00:22:09,626 And it took me a moment. I said, 508 00:22:09,729 --> 00:22:11,795 "I can do a mind-meld on DeForest Kelley 509 00:22:11,897 --> 00:22:13,364 "who's laying there unconscious, 510 00:22:13,466 --> 00:22:17,000 and I can say something ambiguous like, 'Remember.'" 511 00:22:17,103 --> 00:22:18,769 And that's how that moment came about. 512 00:22:18,871 --> 00:22:20,938 Remember. 513 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,240 - And then you have "Star Trek's" finest hour 514 00:22:23,342 --> 00:22:25,008 between Kirk and Spock. 515 00:22:25,111 --> 00:22:28,579 That death scene through the radiation chamber-- 516 00:22:28,681 --> 00:22:30,147 cried like a baby. 517 00:22:30,249 --> 00:22:33,150 - I was always very touched by what happened 518 00:22:33,252 --> 00:22:35,085 in that--in that sequence. Ahem. 519 00:22:35,187 --> 00:22:38,655 I thought it was beautifully written, the death scene. 520 00:22:38,758 --> 00:22:40,524 And it really worked in the film. 521 00:22:40,626 --> 00:22:43,060 I have people still today who write me and say, 522 00:22:43,162 --> 00:22:44,528 "Every time I still see that picture 523 00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:46,764 "for the fifth, tenth time, I still cry when Spock-- 524 00:22:46,866 --> 00:22:49,299 at that death scene," you know? 525 00:22:49,402 --> 00:22:51,201 I have been... 526 00:22:51,303 --> 00:22:54,004 and always shall be... 527 00:22:54,106 --> 00:22:56,106 your friend. 528 00:23:01,414 --> 00:23:04,481 Live long... 529 00:23:04,583 --> 00:23:06,583 and prosper. 530 00:23:16,028 --> 00:23:18,762 narrator: Two short years after the success of "Khan," 531 00:23:18,864 --> 00:23:21,131 "Trek" returns to the big screen, 532 00:23:21,233 --> 00:23:24,168 and the franchise is truly reborn. 533 00:23:24,270 --> 00:23:27,304 - "Star Trek III" was the first movie that Nimoy directed, 534 00:23:27,406 --> 00:23:30,407 and it was also his way to come back to "Star Trek" 535 00:23:30,509 --> 00:23:31,842 to bring Spock back. 536 00:23:31,944 --> 00:23:35,946 - Nicholas Meyer, a very talented guy, was directing. 537 00:23:36,048 --> 00:23:38,749 I thought, "I-I can do what he does. 538 00:23:38,851 --> 00:23:40,617 I know what he's doing and I can do that." 539 00:23:40,719 --> 00:23:42,186 So I went in the next morning, 540 00:23:42,288 --> 00:23:44,087 and I put it to them very simply. 541 00:23:44,190 --> 00:23:46,056 I said, "Michael, you have two problems. 542 00:23:46,158 --> 00:23:48,625 "You want me to play Spock in 'Star Trek III,' 543 00:23:48,727 --> 00:23:50,027 "and you need a director. 544 00:23:50,129 --> 00:23:52,663 I solved both of your problems with one stroke." 545 00:23:52,765 --> 00:23:53,864 And that's the way it went, 546 00:23:53,966 --> 00:23:56,033 and he said, "Okay, let's make a deal." 547 00:23:56,135 --> 00:23:58,168 And we immediately made a deal and went to work. 548 00:23:58,270 --> 00:24:02,172 - You Klingon bastard. 549 00:24:02,274 --> 00:24:05,809 - There are two more prisoners, Admiral. 550 00:24:05,911 --> 00:24:07,544 Do you want them killed too? 551 00:24:07,646 --> 00:24:11,982 - It's just such a delicious badass son of a bitch, you know? 552 00:24:12,084 --> 00:24:16,086 He's just--he's just a bad guy with no remorse. 553 00:24:18,457 --> 00:24:20,724 I killed Kirk's son 554 00:24:20,826 --> 00:24:23,093 and I blew up the original Enterprise. 555 00:24:23,195 --> 00:24:26,029 Just freaking wiped it out. 556 00:24:28,067 --> 00:24:31,268 And I could do it again. 557 00:24:35,908 --> 00:24:40,177 - I was asked to do "III," I didn't know how to do it. 558 00:24:40,279 --> 00:24:43,914 So I said I wasn't interested in doing it. 559 00:24:44,016 --> 00:24:46,717 I was not part of "IV" either. 560 00:24:46,819 --> 00:24:48,685 They had had a script written 561 00:24:48,787 --> 00:24:51,655 tailor-made to star Eddie Murphy, 562 00:24:51,757 --> 00:24:55,058 who was Paramount's other big star at the time. 563 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,827 And Paramount didn't like the idea 564 00:24:56,929 --> 00:25:01,298 of putting all their golden eggs in one basket, 565 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,434 Eddie Murphy and the Star Trek people. 566 00:25:04,537 --> 00:25:06,403 So I went to see Harve and Leonard, 567 00:25:06,505 --> 00:25:09,239 and they told me the story about the whales. 568 00:25:09,341 --> 00:25:12,309 And Harve said, "I'll write the outer space parts 569 00:25:12,411 --> 00:25:15,579 if you do the on Earth parts, you know, the bookend. 570 00:25:15,681 --> 00:25:18,515 And I said, "Okay." 571 00:25:18,617 --> 00:25:21,051 - "Star Trek V" is hurt by it's budget 572 00:25:21,153 --> 00:25:23,520 more than anything else. It's not a badly directed film. 573 00:25:23,622 --> 00:25:26,590 In fact, Bill did a nice job directing for the most part, 574 00:25:26,692 --> 00:25:31,228 but they just didn't have enough money to recognize the vision, 575 00:25:31,330 --> 00:25:32,763 so it looks very cheap, and as a result, 576 00:25:32,865 --> 00:25:34,164 it feels like a bad movie. 577 00:25:34,266 --> 00:25:35,666 - We watched the movie, we were like, 578 00:25:35,768 --> 00:25:37,034 "Yeah, that was great." 579 00:25:37,136 --> 00:25:38,502 And I remember my brother, 580 00:25:38,604 --> 00:25:39,970 he was the one who had not been drinking. 581 00:25:40,072 --> 00:25:41,638 He was looking at, like, 582 00:25:41,740 --> 00:25:43,473 "I don't think it really was great." 583 00:25:43,576 --> 00:25:45,509 We were like, "No, it was great. Let's watch it again." 584 00:25:45,611 --> 00:25:47,110 And we did, so we watched it again. 585 00:25:47,212 --> 00:25:49,913 That's probably the last time I saw "Star Trek V." 586 00:25:50,015 --> 00:25:54,251 - Then "Star Trek V" came out and didn't perform well. 587 00:25:54,353 --> 00:25:58,055 And then Leonard came, and he had this genesis, 588 00:25:58,157 --> 00:26:00,691 you should pardon the pun, of an idea for "VI," 589 00:26:00,793 --> 00:26:04,361 which was all about the wall coming down in outer space. 590 00:26:04,463 --> 00:26:06,430 It was about the Klingons have been their substitute 591 00:26:06,532 --> 00:26:08,465 for the Russians. I went, "They were?" 592 00:26:08,567 --> 00:26:10,467 And we wrote it. 593 00:26:10,569 --> 00:26:13,537 - His idea was that, you know, time's change. 594 00:26:13,639 --> 00:26:16,373 You know, you can't be, you know, mad at a group 595 00:26:16,475 --> 00:26:19,710 for 100 years and you don't know anything about them. 596 00:26:19,812 --> 00:26:21,411 - Michael Dorn was my idea. 597 00:26:21,513 --> 00:26:24,247 He could play his own grandfather. 598 00:26:24,350 --> 00:26:26,516 I thought that would be funny. 599 00:26:26,619 --> 00:26:29,319 narrator: Coming up, the Enterprise returns to TV 600 00:26:29,421 --> 00:26:31,755 with a new mission and a new crew. 601 00:26:31,857 --> 00:26:34,791 - When I heard that they were doing a next generation, 602 00:26:34,893 --> 00:26:37,628 I went, "Oh, afraid I got to do this," you know? 603 00:26:41,167 --> 00:26:45,102 - So "Star Trek IV" does gangbusters at the box office. 604 00:26:45,204 --> 00:26:47,238 They're like, "Hang on, this is a hot property." 605 00:26:47,340 --> 00:26:49,473 Gene's like, "Guess what, fellas? 606 00:26:49,575 --> 00:26:51,041 I want to do I on TV again." 607 00:26:51,143 --> 00:26:53,377 And then Paramount's like... - "Yes, please." 608 00:26:53,479 --> 00:26:54,645 - "I might as well." - Yeah. 609 00:26:54,747 --> 00:26:55,880 - "Well, it's sitting here doing nothing." 610 00:26:55,982 --> 00:26:57,081 - "How soon will you start?" - So then we have 611 00:26:57,183 --> 00:26:58,782 "Star Trek: The Next Generation" comes out. 612 00:27:03,489 --> 00:27:04,889 narrator: In 1987, 613 00:27:04,991 --> 00:27:07,791 21 years after the original series hits the air, 614 00:27:07,894 --> 00:27:10,427 "Star Trek" returns to television with the premiere 615 00:27:10,529 --> 00:27:12,663 of "The Next Generation." 616 00:27:12,765 --> 00:27:15,332 - Gene Roddenberry called me and he was talking about 617 00:27:15,434 --> 00:27:16,500 a new version of "Star Trek" 618 00:27:16,602 --> 00:27:19,303 bouncing off the movies, of course. 619 00:27:19,405 --> 00:27:23,641 He came up with the basics for the older captain, 620 00:27:23,743 --> 00:27:26,977 for the characters that we see in "Star Trek: Next Gen." 621 00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:29,914 narrator: Diehard fans are skeptical of the reboot. 622 00:27:30,016 --> 00:27:32,850 - We got a bald, English captain with a French name 623 00:27:32,952 --> 00:27:35,920 and you got a Klingon on the bridge? 624 00:27:36,022 --> 00:27:38,923 Really? You got a blind guy driving the ship? 625 00:27:39,025 --> 00:27:41,025 - Gene was there during the first couple of years 626 00:27:41,127 --> 00:27:45,763 and all the spinoffs carried on the tradition of "Star Trek." 627 00:27:45,865 --> 00:27:48,899 - When that cast was first assembled and the show 628 00:27:49,001 --> 00:27:50,334 first went into production, "The Next Generation," 629 00:27:50,436 --> 00:27:51,735 I invited them here to this house, 630 00:27:51,837 --> 00:27:53,437 the whole bunch of them, all of them. 631 00:27:53,539 --> 00:27:55,372 "Come to my house. Let's get to know each other. 632 00:27:55,474 --> 00:27:58,575 And good luck, and bon voyage. I think--I hope it works." 633 00:27:58,678 --> 00:28:01,645 - When I first auditioned for "Next Gen," 634 00:28:01,747 --> 00:28:03,480 I was one of the few people in the world 635 00:28:03,582 --> 00:28:06,951 who was not quite aware of the phenomenon 636 00:28:07,053 --> 00:28:09,653 that we were about to get involved with. 637 00:28:09,755 --> 00:28:12,690 - When I heard that they were doing a next generation, 638 00:28:12,792 --> 00:28:15,559 I went, "Oh, afraid I gotta do this," you know? 639 00:28:15,661 --> 00:28:17,728 - I got a call from my agent who said, "You know what? 640 00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:19,229 They're casting 'Star Trek.' Oh, my God." 641 00:28:19,332 --> 00:28:20,698 And she was a huge "Star Trek" fan. 642 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,368 I had no clue it was going to be a big show. 643 00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:27,771 - So LeVar Burton and I go to eat. 644 00:28:27,873 --> 00:28:29,340 I say, "What are you doing?" 645 00:28:29,442 --> 00:28:34,078 He said, "Oh, you'll love this. I'm doing 'Star Trek.'" 646 00:28:34,180 --> 00:28:36,880 I said, "Well, I want to be on that." 647 00:28:36,983 --> 00:28:38,549 And he was like, "What?" I was like, "No, no. 648 00:28:38,651 --> 00:28:40,684 You gotta tell them I want to be on the show." 649 00:28:40,786 --> 00:28:44,188 And I made an appointment to go see Gene. 650 00:28:44,290 --> 00:28:47,791 And Gene says, "You want to be on 'Star Trek'?" 651 00:28:47,893 --> 00:28:51,161 I said, "Yes. Yes." 652 00:28:51,263 --> 00:28:55,432 - And he asked me would I please write the pilot script, 653 00:28:55,534 --> 00:28:58,569 "Encounter At Farpoint." And I said, "Fine," did that. 654 00:28:58,671 --> 00:29:01,105 The question had been whether Gene Roddenberry would do, 655 00:29:01,207 --> 00:29:04,108 you know, like a retrospective back to the original "Star Trek" 656 00:29:04,210 --> 00:29:08,812 to lead into this or would he add to my pilot script. 657 00:29:08,914 --> 00:29:10,914 He added all the stuff that had to do with Q. 658 00:29:11,017 --> 00:29:14,151 - Three days into shooting, uh, you know, 659 00:29:14,253 --> 00:29:17,021 somebody came up behind me and put his hand on my shoulder 660 00:29:17,123 --> 00:29:21,058 and said, "You have no idea what you've gotten yourself into." 661 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,727 And it was-- it was Roddenberry. 662 00:29:23,829 --> 00:29:26,897 And I didn't have any idea. I mean, you know. 663 00:29:26,999 --> 00:29:28,632 - Riker's relationship with Picard, 664 00:29:28,734 --> 00:29:31,602 which was filled with respect. 665 00:29:31,704 --> 00:29:33,804 With Data, the curiosity that Data had 666 00:29:33,906 --> 00:29:35,672 about being a human being. 667 00:29:35,775 --> 00:29:40,644 And I worked with Worf and Geordi, 668 00:29:40,746 --> 00:29:42,112 the three of us were sort of, you know, 669 00:29:42,214 --> 00:29:44,882 we made the--we kept the together on the ship. 670 00:29:44,984 --> 00:29:49,386 And it was--it all got more natural. 671 00:29:49,488 --> 00:29:50,954 And as it got more natural, 672 00:29:51,057 --> 00:29:53,424 I think it got more appealing to the audience. 673 00:29:53,526 --> 00:29:54,925 - I decided to write a spec script, 674 00:29:55,027 --> 00:29:57,561 so I wrote a script called "The Bonding." 675 00:29:57,663 --> 00:30:00,631 Michael Piller came aboard to be the new head writer, 676 00:30:00,733 --> 00:30:02,433 and he found my script. 677 00:30:02,535 --> 00:30:04,435 And I get this call one day 678 00:30:04,537 --> 00:30:06,970 that he wants to buy it and produce it, 679 00:30:07,073 --> 00:30:08,872 which literally changed my life. 680 00:30:08,974 --> 00:30:12,476 - We used to do 26 episodes a year, and it was great. 681 00:30:12,578 --> 00:30:13,911 So we'd work for ten months, 682 00:30:14,013 --> 00:30:16,080 and then the first Monday after the 4th of July, 683 00:30:16,182 --> 00:30:17,381 we'd come back to work. 684 00:30:17,483 --> 00:30:21,585 And that lasted for seven years and could have lasted, 685 00:30:21,687 --> 00:30:23,921 in all fairness, for ten years probably. 686 00:30:24,023 --> 00:30:27,724 - The humans of the 24th century on "Next Generation" 687 00:30:27,827 --> 00:30:30,561 didn't have the kinds of problems and squabbles 688 00:30:30,663 --> 00:30:34,698 and petty jealousies that we have today. 689 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,900 - Chief O'Brien talks to me. 690 00:30:37,002 --> 00:30:39,570 Keiko talks to you. 691 00:30:39,672 --> 00:30:41,138 Why do they not talk to each other? 692 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,575 That's a good question, Data. 693 00:30:44,677 --> 00:30:47,044 I wish I had a good answer for you. 694 00:30:47,146 --> 00:30:49,046 Perhaps when they're ready, they will. 695 00:30:49,148 --> 00:30:53,984 - Hmm. Many aspects of this situation are puzzling to me. 696 00:30:54,086 --> 00:30:58,789 - Roddenberry somehow magically made us--made me 697 00:30:58,891 --> 00:31:03,694 believe in his vision of the 24th century, right? 698 00:31:03,796 --> 00:31:06,964 He said to me, "In the 24th century, 699 00:31:07,066 --> 00:31:10,934 there will be no hunger, and there will be no greed. 700 00:31:11,036 --> 00:31:15,072 And all of the children will know how to read. 701 00:31:15,174 --> 00:31:16,240 Gene Roddenberry. 702 00:31:16,342 --> 00:31:19,109 - He was given the right to do "Star Trek" 703 00:31:19,211 --> 00:31:20,544 the way he wanted to do it. 704 00:31:20,646 --> 00:31:23,313 Unfortunately his health was failing by the time 705 00:31:23,415 --> 00:31:26,150 they even got "Star Trek: The Next Generation" on. 706 00:31:26,252 --> 00:31:28,218 So he didn't really get the chance to do 707 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,387 all of the things he wanted to do. 708 00:31:30,489 --> 00:31:33,423 narrator: When Gene Roddenberry dies in 1991, 709 00:31:33,526 --> 00:31:36,760 "The Next Generation" is more popular than ever. 710 00:31:36,862 --> 00:31:40,597 Carrying on his legacy, week after week, 711 00:31:40,699 --> 00:31:43,033 for the next three years. 712 00:31:43,135 --> 00:31:45,269 - There were those of us, myself included, 713 00:31:45,371 --> 00:31:47,471 who thought it could go on for ten years. 714 00:31:47,573 --> 00:31:49,173 That we weren't done yet. 715 00:31:49,275 --> 00:31:52,910 Knowing that there was another series waiting in the wings 716 00:31:53,012 --> 00:31:55,279 where we could continue to tell stories 717 00:31:55,381 --> 00:31:57,915 that we hadn't told yet made that okay. 718 00:31:58,017 --> 00:32:01,385 And it seemed smart to take "Next Gen" off 719 00:32:01,487 --> 00:32:03,053 at the peak of its popularity. 720 00:32:03,155 --> 00:32:05,022 'Cause it was a very popular show. 721 00:32:05,124 --> 00:32:07,491 There is a part of me that wished, 722 00:32:07,593 --> 00:32:10,761 that wishes "Next Gen" had continued. 723 00:32:15,901 --> 00:32:19,536 - I was asked to direct the first "Next Generation" movie. 724 00:32:19,638 --> 00:32:21,004 I just-- I wasn't attracted to it. 725 00:32:21,106 --> 00:32:22,906 I read it, 726 00:32:23,008 --> 00:32:24,575 and it didn't feel like something 727 00:32:24,677 --> 00:32:26,810 that I was gonna have a good time doing. 728 00:32:26,912 --> 00:32:29,780 - Ron Moore and I were asked to write 729 00:32:29,882 --> 00:32:32,149 the first "Next Generation" movie. 730 00:32:32,251 --> 00:32:34,384 We were very excited. 731 00:32:34,486 --> 00:32:36,720 It was the first movie either of us had written. 732 00:32:36,822 --> 00:32:39,856 We loved these characters. We knew these characters. 733 00:32:39,959 --> 00:32:43,026 And we set about conceiving the first "Next Gen" movie. 734 00:32:43,128 --> 00:32:44,795 Kind of hand-off from the original series, 735 00:32:44,897 --> 00:32:45,996 Kirk to Picard. 736 00:32:46,098 --> 00:32:47,798 - There was sort of a list of things 737 00:32:47,900 --> 00:32:49,600 that the movie had to have, 738 00:32:49,702 --> 00:32:50,801 so when Bran and I stepped in, 739 00:32:50,903 --> 00:32:52,803 here's the list of things it has to be. 740 00:32:52,905 --> 00:32:55,038 "It's gonna be the next first "Next Gen" movie. 741 00:32:55,140 --> 00:32:56,707 "It can have the original cast in it. 742 00:32:56,809 --> 00:32:58,842 "We want a transition film, but the original cast 743 00:32:58,944 --> 00:33:00,310 "can only be in the first ten minutes 744 00:33:00,412 --> 00:33:02,312 "or 15 minutes of the movie tops. 745 00:33:02,414 --> 00:33:03,714 "It has to be a Picard story. 746 00:33:03,816 --> 00:33:05,849 "There has to be a Data humorous runner in it. 747 00:33:05,951 --> 00:33:09,086 "We want to have a big villain, sort of like Khan. 748 00:33:09,188 --> 00:33:11,188 "We also want to have the Klingons in it. 749 00:33:11,290 --> 00:33:13,890 And it should probably have some time travel involved." 750 00:33:13,993 --> 00:33:16,627 And you're just going, "Okay. 751 00:33:16,729 --> 00:33:19,296 - By the time "Generations," the first movie, is coming out, 752 00:33:19,398 --> 00:33:21,965 you have Kirk and Picard on the cover of "Time" magazine. 753 00:33:22,067 --> 00:33:24,868 That's the apex, it's the zenith of the show. 754 00:33:24,970 --> 00:33:26,803 - "Generations" was still in the theaters 755 00:33:26,905 --> 00:33:29,039 when the said, "Hey, let's do another one. 756 00:33:29,141 --> 00:33:30,073 And we want you guys to do the second one." 757 00:33:30,175 --> 00:33:31,475 And we said, "Okay." 758 00:33:31,577 --> 00:33:34,611 - "First Contact" was the film that they should have made 759 00:33:34,713 --> 00:33:36,446 every time after that. 760 00:33:36,548 --> 00:33:38,248 - Then the second movie, "First Contact," 761 00:33:38,350 --> 00:33:40,217 is, you know, a roller coaster ride 762 00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:43,253 and wonderful and really sort of redeems that franchise. 763 00:33:43,355 --> 00:33:46,490 - That movie was a huge success. It made a lot of money. 764 00:33:46,592 --> 00:33:47,891 And everybody liked it. 765 00:33:47,993 --> 00:33:50,160 And Alfre Woodard was great in it. 766 00:33:50,262 --> 00:33:51,528 And Cromwell was great in it. 767 00:33:51,630 --> 00:33:56,900 - I'm not a drinker, so I got a fifth of Jamesons. 768 00:33:57,002 --> 00:34:01,171 And I took one before when we rehearsed. 769 00:34:01,273 --> 00:34:05,075 And then between every shot, I would go back up to my tr-- 770 00:34:06,879 --> 00:34:11,581 So by the time I did the thing we're at the bar, 771 00:34:11,684 --> 00:34:17,120 when I take the drink... 772 00:34:17,222 --> 00:34:20,023 Ahh! 773 00:34:20,125 --> 00:34:22,526 Oh! 774 00:34:24,330 --> 00:34:26,129 narrator: "Star Trek: First Contact" 775 00:34:26,231 --> 00:34:29,599 debuts in 1996 with Commander Riker himself, 776 00:34:29,702 --> 00:34:32,436 Jonathan Frakes in the director's chair. 777 00:34:32,538 --> 00:34:33,870 - It was great to work with Jonathan, you know? 778 00:34:33,972 --> 00:34:35,939 We'd worked with him before as a director on the show, 779 00:34:36,041 --> 00:34:38,709 so we knew his working methods, he knew us, you know. 780 00:34:38,811 --> 00:34:40,477 There was a great shorthand, obviously, 781 00:34:40,579 --> 00:34:42,446 between him and the entire cast and the crew. 782 00:34:42,548 --> 00:34:46,083 - This was our first movie that was just "Next Gen." 783 00:34:46,185 --> 00:34:49,152 So that--that was a life-changer, you know. 784 00:34:49,254 --> 00:34:51,121 - I think "Star Trek's" a TV show. 785 00:34:51,223 --> 00:34:54,391 The movies are fun, but, you know, 786 00:34:54,493 --> 00:34:55,926 it's--it's a TV show. 787 00:34:56,028 --> 00:34:59,296 It needs to tell the stories each week. 788 00:34:59,398 --> 00:35:02,366 - "First Contact" is fanta-- it's like-- 789 00:35:02,468 --> 00:35:04,868 it's the best of the "Next Generation" movies. 790 00:35:04,970 --> 00:35:06,636 I'm sorry, everyone, that's how I feel. 791 00:35:06,739 --> 00:35:08,839 - Probably. - I see some grunting happening 792 00:35:08,941 --> 00:35:10,774 over on the corners here. 793 00:35:10,876 --> 00:35:13,110 Bobak, you grunted particularly hard. 794 00:35:13,212 --> 00:35:14,945 - I'm just a big "Insurrection" fan because-- 795 00:35:15,047 --> 00:35:16,246 - What? What? 796 00:35:16,348 --> 00:35:17,814 - It's the most like a "TNG" episode. 797 00:35:17,916 --> 00:35:20,450 The movies really, like, diverge from my thought 798 00:35:20,552 --> 00:35:21,718 what made the show great. 799 00:35:21,820 --> 00:35:25,188 And I like that it was a little bit more of that 800 00:35:25,290 --> 00:35:28,125 "TNG"-style episode than I felt the rest of the movies were. 801 00:35:28,227 --> 00:35:30,026 - So we go from "Insurrection." 802 00:35:30,129 --> 00:35:32,796 "Voyager's" still running at this point. 803 00:35:32,898 --> 00:35:36,333 And then we end up with, I hate to say it, 804 00:35:36,435 --> 00:35:38,168 "Star Trek: Nemesis," so Janeway-- 805 00:35:38,270 --> 00:35:39,669 - They asked me to be in that. Did you know that? 806 00:35:39,772 --> 00:35:41,304 - Really? What were you gonna do in that? 807 00:35:41,407 --> 00:35:42,773 Were you gonna be on the Enterprise? 808 00:35:42,875 --> 00:35:43,940 - Evidently. - Why would you say no? 809 00:35:44,042 --> 00:35:45,275 What is wrong with you? 810 00:35:45,377 --> 00:35:46,743 - 'Cause I had just gotten off of "Voyager." 811 00:35:46,845 --> 00:35:48,545 - Oh, my God, Jeri. - My biggest fear is in signing 812 00:35:48,647 --> 00:35:51,481 on to "Star Trek" to begin with, not having been a fan, 813 00:35:51,583 --> 00:35:52,983 and not really knowing much about it other than that 814 00:35:53,085 --> 00:35:54,684 the actors get pigeonholed. - Yeah. 815 00:35:54,787 --> 00:35:55,952 - And it was sort of known for that. 816 00:35:56,054 --> 00:35:58,522 - Yeah. - That was one of my big fears 817 00:35:58,624 --> 00:36:01,792 in accepting the role is ever breaking out of that character. 818 00:36:01,894 --> 00:36:03,727 I don't know if that's even... - No, please. 819 00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:05,362 - Known by anybody, but apparently they were 820 00:36:05,464 --> 00:36:06,496 replacing a character. 821 00:36:06,598 --> 00:36:08,532 They were gonna yank and character out 822 00:36:08,634 --> 00:36:10,400 and stick Seven of Nine in there. 823 00:36:10,502 --> 00:36:11,835 It's a popular character, get her in the movie. 824 00:36:11,937 --> 00:36:13,870 And that's what it felt like. And it didn't feel like 825 00:36:13,972 --> 00:36:15,038 it would be anything other than that story-wise. 826 00:36:15,140 --> 00:36:17,040 - Yeah. 827 00:36:17,142 --> 00:36:20,911 narrator: Coming up, "Star Trek" takes a dark turn. 828 00:36:24,249 --> 00:36:26,449 - "Deep Space Nine" is the most meaningful to me. 829 00:36:26,551 --> 00:36:29,185 - Mm-hmm. - Because it gets into 830 00:36:29,287 --> 00:36:30,419 the darker side. 831 00:36:30,522 --> 00:36:32,155 I mean, it's after Gene Roddenberry's death. 832 00:36:32,257 --> 00:36:35,291 They're kinda free to kind of get away from this, you know, 833 00:36:35,393 --> 00:36:37,460 everything ends happily. - Yeah. 834 00:36:37,562 --> 00:36:39,796 - You know, you look at war in a variety of different ways. 835 00:36:39,898 --> 00:36:42,165 I mean, there's a great episode on PTSD, 836 00:36:42,267 --> 00:36:45,101 where Nog has to deal with the loss of his leg. 837 00:36:45,203 --> 00:36:46,435 Nobody does that kind of stuff. - Right. 838 00:36:46,538 --> 00:36:47,870 - On science fiction in particular. 839 00:36:47,972 --> 00:36:51,240 And so I think that show in terms of its depth, 840 00:36:51,342 --> 00:36:53,476 in terms of the issues it would address, 841 00:36:53,578 --> 00:36:55,244 I thought made it the best. 842 00:36:55,346 --> 00:36:57,346 And, you know, arguably there are some of the best episodes 843 00:36:57,448 --> 00:36:59,949 of all 700-plus hours. 844 00:37:04,689 --> 00:37:06,255 - "The Next Generation" had become such a success 845 00:37:06,357 --> 00:37:07,990 in first-run syndication for the studio 846 00:37:08,092 --> 00:37:10,593 that they wanted more, so you had "Deep Space Nine," 847 00:37:10,695 --> 00:37:13,763 which was about a space station 848 00:37:13,865 --> 00:37:15,231 and it was a little darker. 849 00:37:15,333 --> 00:37:16,999 - "Next Gen" was my undergraduate studies 850 00:37:17,101 --> 00:37:18,801 in TV writing and production, 851 00:37:18,903 --> 00:37:20,203 and "Deep Space Nine" was graduate. 852 00:37:20,305 --> 00:37:24,040 - "DS9" had such a different feel 853 00:37:24,142 --> 00:37:25,441 while still being "Star Trek." 854 00:37:25,543 --> 00:37:27,043 It took things even deeper. 855 00:37:27,145 --> 00:37:29,512 - We were attracted to doing darker stories. 856 00:37:29,614 --> 00:37:31,347 We were attracted to doing stories 857 00:37:31,449 --> 00:37:32,815 that had much more conflict in them, 858 00:37:32,917 --> 00:37:34,584 that were more morally ambiguous, 859 00:37:34,686 --> 00:37:37,386 that were tackling difficult subject matter 860 00:37:37,488 --> 00:37:38,721 with our characters. 861 00:37:38,823 --> 00:37:41,591 And we all felt that we were pushing "Trek," 862 00:37:41,693 --> 00:37:43,392 but none of us felt like we were breaking it. 863 00:37:43,494 --> 00:37:47,830 - That was the first time that you see 864 00:37:47,932 --> 00:37:54,837 what television is now, which is dark and foreboding. 865 00:37:54,939 --> 00:37:57,740 - And I really wanted to do the show. 866 00:37:57,842 --> 00:37:59,876 Really wanted to do the show. 867 00:37:59,978 --> 00:38:01,577 I-I was like-- 868 00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:05,147 I just--not only as an actor who would get a steady paycheck, 869 00:38:05,250 --> 00:38:07,750 but more importantly, as a fan of the show 870 00:38:07,852 --> 00:38:11,187 I wanted to be part of the ethos that was "Star Trek." 871 00:38:11,289 --> 00:38:14,223 - It's really nice to see that people could stick with the show 872 00:38:14,325 --> 00:38:17,927 when it became darker and more demanding of its audience. 873 00:38:18,029 --> 00:38:23,666 - But no victory can make this moment any easier for me. 874 00:38:23,768 --> 00:38:30,773 And I promise I will not rest until I stand with you again. 875 00:38:30,875 --> 00:38:32,775 - Somebody had the brilliant idea 876 00:38:32,877 --> 00:38:37,079 of bringing Worf onto our show. 877 00:38:37,181 --> 00:38:40,516 - Unfortunately, I will be away from the station at that time. 878 00:38:40,618 --> 00:38:42,351 - What they hoped would happen did happen. 879 00:38:42,453 --> 00:38:45,588 Thousands, if not millions, of people 880 00:38:45,690 --> 00:38:48,624 watched because Worf was on the show. 881 00:38:48,726 --> 00:38:52,128 And so our fan base got resurrected 882 00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:53,562 because of Michael Dorn. 883 00:38:53,665 --> 00:38:56,132 - And I had my concerns about that 884 00:38:56,234 --> 00:38:58,634 'cause I didn't want Worf to be standing around, 885 00:38:58,736 --> 00:39:00,970 just to be a, you know, some guy that just-- 886 00:39:01,072 --> 00:39:02,238 they throw in there. 887 00:39:02,340 --> 00:39:04,540 I really want him to open up as a character. 888 00:39:04,642 --> 00:39:08,177 - Worf was, like, really the only choice from that cast 889 00:39:08,279 --> 00:39:10,079 that made any sense and that would actually add 890 00:39:10,181 --> 00:39:11,447 something to the puzzle. 891 00:39:11,549 --> 00:39:14,250 Here's the war-like character coming into a situation 892 00:39:14,352 --> 00:39:15,818 that's a war-torn environment. 893 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,287 So that made a certain amount of sense. 894 00:39:18,389 --> 00:39:21,557 - What is that smell? 895 00:39:21,659 --> 00:39:26,729 Is there a pile of rotting forshak in here. 896 00:39:26,831 --> 00:39:29,131 I loved my time on "Next Generation," 897 00:39:29,233 --> 00:39:32,568 but the work I did on "Deep Space" was much better. 898 00:39:32,670 --> 00:39:35,338 - Over my tenure on "Deep Space," 899 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:36,672 that was the mantra was, 900 00:39:36,774 --> 00:39:38,975 "How far can we push this franchise? 901 00:39:39,077 --> 00:39:40,576 "Or what are the places we can go 902 00:39:40,678 --> 00:39:42,011 "that none of the other shows can go? 903 00:39:42,113 --> 00:39:43,679 "What can't they do in 'Star Trek,' 904 00:39:43,781 --> 00:39:45,247 and is there a way we can do it?" 905 00:39:45,350 --> 00:39:47,683 - Every "Star Trek" show broke grounds in some way, you know? 906 00:39:47,785 --> 00:39:51,053 "Deep Space Nine," Sisko, he was a black captain. 907 00:39:51,155 --> 00:39:53,756 And then you have Janeway in "Voyager," a woman. 908 00:39:53,858 --> 00:39:56,392 I mean, they were always thinking ahead. 909 00:40:01,366 --> 00:40:03,933 narrator: When "Voyager" launches in 1995, 910 00:40:04,035 --> 00:40:05,901 "Star Trek" has been pushing the envelope 911 00:40:06,004 --> 00:40:07,803 for nearly 30 years. 912 00:40:07,905 --> 00:40:10,706 The new series pushes further. 913 00:40:10,808 --> 00:40:13,075 - A lot of women of a certain age 914 00:40:13,177 --> 00:40:16,045 who that show meant a lot to because of Kate. 915 00:40:16,147 --> 00:40:17,646 You know, they look at it, you know, 916 00:40:17,749 --> 00:40:19,448 the same way that guys of my generation 917 00:40:19,550 --> 00:40:21,150 look at Kirk as a role model, 918 00:40:21,252 --> 00:40:23,386 they look at Kate's Janeway and say, 919 00:40:23,488 --> 00:40:25,988 "You know, she proved that, you know, 920 00:40:26,090 --> 00:40:29,425 "I could be thoughtful and smart and commanding, 921 00:40:29,527 --> 00:40:32,061 and not necessarily use my sexuality to get what I want." 922 00:40:32,163 --> 00:40:35,498 - Then you leave me no choice. 923 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,267 You are hereby relieved of duty until further notice. 924 00:40:38,369 --> 00:40:40,302 - As a writer, writing Captain Janeway, 925 00:40:40,405 --> 00:40:42,138 I didn't think of her as a woman. 926 00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:43,606 I thought of her as the captain. 927 00:40:43,708 --> 00:40:46,876 And I think it's great that she ended up being a role model 928 00:40:46,978 --> 00:40:49,412 to a lot of people, men or women. 929 00:40:49,514 --> 00:40:51,680 - I was very happy and proud 930 00:40:51,783 --> 00:40:55,618 of what the producers had done with this cast in "Voyager." 931 00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:57,920 First of all, starting off with a female captain 932 00:40:58,022 --> 00:40:59,388 'cause we had not seen that before. 933 00:40:59,490 --> 00:41:02,491 - My friend, Rene, got cast in "Deep Space." 934 00:41:02,593 --> 00:41:05,895 And he told me how cool it was, and I envied him. 935 00:41:05,997 --> 00:41:07,763 I said, "What a great show to be on," you know. 936 00:41:07,865 --> 00:41:09,465 And then a couple of years later, 937 00:41:09,567 --> 00:41:11,167 boom, I was in "Voyager." 938 00:41:11,269 --> 00:41:13,069 And I-I had no idea 939 00:41:13,171 --> 00:41:15,171 what the character was makeup-wise, you know? 940 00:41:15,273 --> 00:41:18,074 But I flew out and I-I went into the room, 941 00:41:18,176 --> 00:41:20,209 and there was UPN, and there was Paramount, 942 00:41:20,311 --> 00:41:23,646 and there were the creators of "Star Trek." 943 00:41:23,748 --> 00:41:25,915 And, um, I read 944 00:41:26,017 --> 00:41:28,084 and I guess I was exactly what what they were looking for. 945 00:41:28,186 --> 00:41:30,953 - "Star Trek: Voyager" is probably my first acting job. 946 00:41:31,055 --> 00:41:32,988 And I was so excited, and I was so nervous. 947 00:41:33,091 --> 00:41:37,026 It was a two-part special and I was playing a scientist. 948 00:41:37,128 --> 00:41:38,461 - What do you do here? 949 00:41:38,563 --> 00:41:41,363 - We watch the skies. - For what? 950 00:41:41,466 --> 00:41:43,999 - Signs of extraterrestrial life. 951 00:41:44,102 --> 00:41:45,734 Nice meeting you. 952 00:41:45,837 --> 00:41:48,237 I remembered going to my acting coach, 953 00:41:48,339 --> 00:41:50,840 and he read through the script. 954 00:41:50,942 --> 00:41:53,242 And I was looking to him for guidance. 955 00:41:53,344 --> 00:41:55,945 And he just went, uh, 956 00:41:56,047 --> 00:41:58,614 "You know, sometimes when you're running from lasers, 957 00:41:58,716 --> 00:42:02,885 you just--you just gotta pretend you're running from lasers." 958 00:42:02,987 --> 00:42:06,455 - Get down! 959 00:42:06,557 --> 00:42:08,257 - I was like, "Oh.' Ahem. 960 00:42:08,359 --> 00:42:09,725 It gave me so much freedom. 961 00:42:09,827 --> 00:42:12,361 I was like, "Oh, yeah, I just--I pretend," you know? 962 00:42:12,463 --> 00:42:16,732 You don't really draw from your childhood or something. 963 00:42:16,834 --> 00:42:19,101 You just pretend you're running from lasers. 964 00:42:21,305 --> 00:42:23,005 What the hell? 965 00:42:23,107 --> 00:42:25,174 - What I wanted to do was bring the Borg in. 966 00:42:25,276 --> 00:42:27,076 It was my feeling that the Borg 967 00:42:27,178 --> 00:42:29,678 could always be "Voyager's" Klingons. 968 00:42:29,780 --> 00:42:30,946 They needed a recurring villain. 969 00:42:31,048 --> 00:42:32,815 And for better or worse, 970 00:42:32,917 --> 00:42:34,483 that's what we ended up doing. 971 00:42:34,585 --> 00:42:36,752 And it's one of the things that defined "Voyager" 972 00:42:36,854 --> 00:42:39,455 was the introduction of the Seven of Nine character. 973 00:42:39,557 --> 00:42:44,193 You had a very sexy woman in a very sexy outfit. 974 00:42:44,295 --> 00:42:45,461 You know, it was supposed to lure in 975 00:42:45,563 --> 00:42:46,862 a certain male demographic. 976 00:42:46,964 --> 00:42:49,865 But, in reality, she was the Spock character. 977 00:42:49,967 --> 00:42:51,901 She was the Data character. 978 00:42:52,003 --> 00:42:53,102 - Report. 979 00:42:53,204 --> 00:42:55,538 - I've applied 10,053 algorithms 980 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,774 to the energy signatures produced by chaotic space. 981 00:42:58,876 --> 00:43:02,044 - The Roddenberry influence was always respected. 982 00:43:02,146 --> 00:43:04,313 We didn't want to do something 983 00:43:04,415 --> 00:43:08,250 totally, outrageously anti-Roddenberry. 984 00:43:08,352 --> 00:43:10,386 - It's almost like you have to keep pinching yourself. 985 00:43:10,488 --> 00:43:13,189 You show up on these sets and you have to remind yourself, 986 00:43:13,291 --> 00:43:15,925 "I'm in the middle of something that when we do it right, 987 00:43:16,027 --> 00:43:18,027 is really important, can really affect people." 988 00:43:18,129 --> 00:43:20,196 Now it's hard to do that on every single episode. 989 00:43:20,298 --> 00:43:22,431 I don't know who has ever succeeded in that, 990 00:43:22,533 --> 00:43:25,201 but I think that we all could feel as a cast 991 00:43:25,303 --> 00:43:28,437 when we were telling a good story and doing it well. 992 00:43:33,978 --> 00:43:35,444 - There was a lot of discussion what "Enterprise" 993 00:43:35,546 --> 00:43:38,013 would look like and feel like. 994 00:43:38,115 --> 00:43:39,448 narrator: "Star Trek: Enterprise" 995 00:43:39,550 --> 00:43:41,750 is a prequel to the entire franchise. 996 00:43:41,852 --> 00:43:43,485 Set in the 22nd century, 997 00:43:43,588 --> 00:43:46,956 as Starfleet's first explorers venture into space. 998 00:43:47,058 --> 00:43:48,991 - You know, we were trying to, I think, 999 00:43:49,093 --> 00:43:50,893 deconstruct "Star Trek" and figure out, you know, 1000 00:43:50,995 --> 00:43:52,194 how it all came together. 1001 00:43:52,296 --> 00:43:53,963 You know, we'd certainly seen the future 1002 00:43:54,065 --> 00:43:56,432 of where it was all going. 1003 00:43:56,534 --> 00:43:59,435 And it was a real challenge to kind of back that up 1004 00:43:59,537 --> 00:44:02,538 and imagine, you know, what was this-- 1005 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,741 what was this like 150 years before Captain Kirk. 1006 00:44:05,843 --> 00:44:07,943 - I called my mother and said, 1007 00:44:08,045 --> 00:44:10,212 "Ma, I'm not gonna have to stress about work. 1008 00:44:10,314 --> 00:44:11,380 I got a job." 1009 00:44:11,482 --> 00:44:14,850 - I had to audition with a slight alien accent 1010 00:44:14,952 --> 00:44:17,786 for the character of Dr. Phlox, which puzzled me. 1011 00:44:17,888 --> 00:44:19,555 I didn't really know what to do, so I-- 1012 00:44:19,657 --> 00:44:21,357 I sort of tried out a variety of funny voices 1013 00:44:21,459 --> 00:44:23,125 with my wife before I settled on the voice 1014 00:44:23,227 --> 00:44:24,960 I eventually arrived at. 1015 00:44:25,062 --> 00:44:26,629 Sounds sort of vaguely East Indian. 1016 00:44:26,731 --> 00:44:30,532 I don't believe you'll be needing my services. 1017 00:44:30,635 --> 00:44:32,201 - You know, I thought that we were gonna make it 1018 00:44:32,303 --> 00:44:33,802 and that we were gonna do seven years 1019 00:44:33,904 --> 00:44:35,371 like all the rest of these shows. 1020 00:44:35,473 --> 00:44:38,540 - I was just trying to tell good stories 1021 00:44:38,643 --> 00:44:42,678 and do Gene's vision proud. 1022 00:44:42,780 --> 00:44:45,614 Tell the best "Star Trek" stories that I could, you know? 1023 00:44:45,716 --> 00:44:47,983 And now that I'm no longer involved with the show, 1024 00:44:48,085 --> 00:44:52,554 I'm the fan eagerly awaiting the next television show. 1025 00:44:52,657 --> 00:44:55,591 narrator: Coming up, "Trek" is on the cutting edge. 1026 00:44:55,693 --> 00:44:57,793 - I had just been offered 1027 00:44:57,895 --> 00:45:00,796 a major role in a Broadway musical. 1028 00:45:00,898 --> 00:45:02,931 narrator: And later, a look at "Star Trek's" 1029 00:45:03,034 --> 00:45:04,533 most beloved villain. 1030 00:45:04,635 --> 00:45:08,937 - I ended up doing six episodes of "Next Generation." 1031 00:45:11,975 --> 00:45:14,709 - So in the '60s, I mean, it a period of racial discord. 1032 00:45:14,811 --> 00:45:17,512 We got the Vietnam War, youth rebellions, 1033 00:45:17,614 --> 00:45:19,948 emerging feminism, and, you know, TV-- 1034 00:45:20,050 --> 00:45:22,484 - Dirty hippies. - Dirty hi--exactly. 1035 00:45:22,586 --> 00:45:24,385 There's no series or television show 1036 00:45:24,488 --> 00:45:25,720 really addressing these things. 1037 00:45:25,822 --> 00:45:27,822 You know, Roddenberry's able to do is kind of explore 1038 00:45:27,924 --> 00:45:31,559 these things, but again, in a way which is-- 1039 00:45:31,661 --> 00:45:33,428 not only avoids the censors, 1040 00:45:33,530 --> 00:45:34,996 which he had a lot of problems with, 1041 00:45:35,098 --> 00:45:37,699 but also allows the audience 1042 00:45:37,801 --> 00:45:40,268 to kind of look at it from a different perspective. 1043 00:45:40,370 --> 00:45:42,704 And if they were looking at race in America 1044 00:45:42,806 --> 00:45:45,006 on a documentary, that's just not gonna have 1045 00:45:45,108 --> 00:45:46,508 the kind of impact, whereas in 1046 00:45:46,610 --> 00:45:47,942 "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield," 1047 00:45:48,044 --> 00:45:49,711 we have the black and white faces. 1048 00:45:49,813 --> 00:45:51,546 You know, and you can imagine what the American public 1049 00:45:51,648 --> 00:45:53,515 was looking at this going, "You know, 1050 00:45:53,617 --> 00:45:54,983 yeah, this is right. This is kinda strange." 1051 00:45:55,085 --> 00:45:57,485 And again, this is an episode that was done right after Mart-- 1052 00:45:57,587 --> 00:45:58,486 it was produced right after 1053 00:45:58,588 --> 00:45:59,821 Martin Luther King's assassination. 1054 00:45:59,923 --> 00:46:01,790 - That's the beauty of sci-fi. You can sort of 1055 00:46:01,892 --> 00:46:04,626 have these allegories without 1056 00:46:04,728 --> 00:46:06,494 people knowing they're being taught a lesson. 1057 00:46:06,596 --> 00:46:07,796 - Yeah. - Big two on the nose. 1058 00:46:07,898 --> 00:46:08,930 - Yeah, they just think they're watching 1059 00:46:09,032 --> 00:46:11,699 a fun space adventure with a Canadian. 1060 00:46:15,438 --> 00:46:18,840 - "Star Trek" very much at a time when, you know, 1061 00:46:18,942 --> 00:46:21,676 race, in particular, in the '60s was such a big thing. 1062 00:46:21,778 --> 00:46:23,611 It broke down those barriers in terms of talking-- 1063 00:46:23,713 --> 00:46:27,515 talking about color, multi-culturalism, other people. 1064 00:46:27,617 --> 00:46:32,053 And instead of making walls, and instead of trying to 1065 00:46:32,155 --> 00:46:33,755 villainize others, 1066 00:46:33,857 --> 00:46:35,523 it was all about embracing the other. 1067 00:46:35,625 --> 00:46:39,894 - Because, you know, when you look at the "Star Trek" world, 1068 00:46:39,996 --> 00:46:43,598 you know, Gene really wanted to create a world 1069 00:46:43,700 --> 00:46:46,668 where everybody could be, you know? 1070 00:46:46,770 --> 00:46:49,103 And if we were having some kind of trouble, 1071 00:46:49,206 --> 00:46:50,405 we could talk it out. 1072 00:46:50,507 --> 00:46:53,875 - We had one of the most wonderful icons 1073 00:46:53,977 --> 00:46:57,145 in Nichelle Nichols, who was not only African American, 1074 00:46:57,247 --> 00:46:59,280 she was a woman. 1075 00:46:59,382 --> 00:47:01,883 And, you know, she was there on the bridge all the time. 1076 00:47:01,985 --> 00:47:03,351 She was important. 1077 00:47:03,453 --> 00:47:05,053 Sometimes she would just say, "Channels open, sir," 1078 00:47:05,155 --> 00:47:07,589 but the thing was that she was there. 1079 00:47:07,691 --> 00:47:11,793 - She speaks perfect English. 1080 00:47:11,895 --> 00:47:15,263 She's the communications officer 1081 00:47:15,365 --> 00:47:17,565 and she takes that very seriously. 1082 00:47:17,667 --> 00:47:21,002 - She is not only gorgeous, 1083 00:47:21,104 --> 00:47:24,038 but she is the communications officer. 1084 00:47:24,140 --> 00:47:25,807 She's the one you have to talk to 1085 00:47:25,909 --> 00:47:28,176 if you want to talk to anybody out in space. 1086 00:47:28,278 --> 00:47:30,445 And she's fly, okay? 1087 00:47:30,547 --> 00:47:33,948 And they all want to bone her, and you know it. 1088 00:47:34,050 --> 00:47:36,251 - And there were some stations in the South that said, 1089 00:47:36,353 --> 00:47:37,785 "Oh, you're having," what was then, 1090 00:47:37,888 --> 00:47:40,588 "a black woman on the bridge. 1091 00:47:40,690 --> 00:47:41,990 We're not gonna show your show." 1092 00:47:42,092 --> 00:47:44,359 And Roddenberry said, "you," you know. 1093 00:47:45,595 --> 00:47:47,795 And, you know, "Too bad. You lose." 1094 00:47:47,898 --> 00:47:50,632 - A woman of color in the late '60s 1095 00:47:50,734 --> 00:47:53,234 while the civil rights riots were going on. 1096 00:47:53,336 --> 00:47:56,304 Her presence there was a big deal. 1097 00:47:56,406 --> 00:47:59,107 - I had just been offered 1098 00:47:59,209 --> 00:48:02,277 a major role in a Broadway musical. 1099 00:48:02,379 --> 00:48:06,614 And I met Dr. Martin Luther King. 1100 00:48:06,716 --> 00:48:10,985 And I was so excited to tell him. 1101 00:48:11,087 --> 00:48:13,087 And he said, "You can't do that." 1102 00:48:13,189 --> 00:48:16,057 He said, "Don't you understand what you're doing? 1103 00:48:16,159 --> 00:48:19,560 "This is television and there's nobody like you on TV. 1104 00:48:19,663 --> 00:48:23,865 You can't-- you can't abdicate." 1105 00:48:23,967 --> 00:48:25,133 And I couldn't. 1106 00:48:25,235 --> 00:48:26,901 - The main thing that has struck me 1107 00:48:27,003 --> 00:48:32,573 about Gene's series at the time was how he mirrored 1108 00:48:32,676 --> 00:48:34,742 the things that were going on in our society 1109 00:48:34,844 --> 00:48:37,612 by using the aliens and the humans 1110 00:48:37,714 --> 00:48:39,213 to carry out those storylines. 1111 00:48:39,316 --> 00:48:40,915 He was very clever in doing that. 1112 00:48:41,017 --> 00:48:42,116 - I liked the idea. 1113 00:48:42,218 --> 00:48:45,253 I'm not sure it was always executed 1114 00:48:45,355 --> 00:48:46,988 as well as it might have. 1115 00:48:47,090 --> 00:48:48,423 I think we used the bludgeon 1116 00:48:48,525 --> 00:48:51,192 when we did the story of the half black and half white. 1117 00:48:51,294 --> 00:48:53,561 You know, but we did it you know? 1118 00:48:53,663 --> 00:48:56,331 And good for us for taking on the issue. 1119 00:48:56,433 --> 00:48:58,433 - I am black on the right side. 1120 00:49:01,538 --> 00:49:02,870 1121 00:49:02,973 --> 00:49:06,007 - I fail to see the significant difference. 1122 00:49:06,109 --> 00:49:07,642 - Lokai is white on the right-- 1123 00:49:07,744 --> 00:49:10,912 all of his people are white on the right side. 1124 00:49:11,014 --> 00:49:14,015 - Frank Gorshin was a wonderful performer, 1125 00:49:14,117 --> 00:49:16,985 and he and Lou Antonio were the two actors 1126 00:49:17,087 --> 00:49:19,220 who played these opposing roles. 1127 00:49:19,322 --> 00:49:21,756 People who were actually mirror images of each other 1128 00:49:21,858 --> 00:49:24,859 should hate each other they way they did. 1129 00:49:24,961 --> 00:49:27,362 And there was that great moment where Kirk says, 1130 00:49:27,464 --> 00:49:29,564 "Why do you people hate each other so much? 1131 00:49:29,666 --> 00:49:31,899 You're--you're the same." 1132 00:49:32,002 --> 00:49:33,334 "Don't you get it? 1133 00:49:33,436 --> 00:49:35,970 He's black on the right side, I'm black on the left." 1134 00:49:36,072 --> 00:49:39,374 You know, "Oh." 1135 00:49:39,476 --> 00:49:41,175 - Science fiction is at its best 1136 00:49:41,277 --> 00:49:42,877 when it challenges you. 1137 00:49:42,979 --> 00:49:46,080 It presents a message while disguising itself 1138 00:49:46,182 --> 00:49:47,548 as entertainment. 1139 00:49:47,650 --> 00:49:49,817 - In an episode called "Symbiosis," 1140 00:49:49,919 --> 00:49:52,987 there's a planet where they're all addicted. 1141 00:49:53,089 --> 00:49:55,923 And there's another species 1142 00:49:56,026 --> 00:49:57,992 that always supplies them with their drug. 1143 00:49:58,094 --> 00:49:59,994 And we know that-- that this is 1144 00:50:00,096 --> 00:50:02,930 this horrible enabling situation. 1145 00:50:03,033 --> 00:50:06,434 And we could easily cure the addicts. 1146 00:50:06,536 --> 00:50:10,872 - Please, help us. - I'm not sure that I can. 1147 00:50:13,209 --> 00:50:14,609 - But do we get involved 1148 00:50:14,711 --> 00:50:16,110 or do we let them figure it out? 1149 00:50:16,212 --> 00:50:19,213 - The moment that I felt was so haunting to me 1150 00:50:19,315 --> 00:50:21,916 was the one where B'Elanna is pregnant 1151 00:50:22,018 --> 00:50:25,019 and can see that her child will have Klingon DNA 1152 00:50:25,121 --> 00:50:28,322 and be born with the forehead and she has developed a way 1153 00:50:28,425 --> 00:50:30,258 to possibly alter that so her daughter 1154 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,727 doesn't have to go through what she went through. 1155 00:50:32,829 --> 00:50:35,730 And I wept when I read the episode. 1156 00:50:35,832 --> 00:50:37,398 But then to be responsible for a child 1157 00:50:37,500 --> 00:50:41,002 and to have the technology to change the future of this child. 1158 00:50:41,104 --> 00:50:43,471 And it was, um-- 1159 00:50:43,573 --> 00:50:45,339 it was a difficult and wonderful episode. 1160 00:50:45,442 --> 00:50:47,008 - When you look at Data, you know, 1161 00:50:47,110 --> 00:50:50,111 at one point he is on trial, you know. 1162 00:50:50,213 --> 00:50:54,816 And it's, like, is he on trial because he's different? 1163 00:50:54,918 --> 00:50:58,886 Is he on trial because he should be not be thinking 1164 00:50:58,988 --> 00:51:01,022 the way that he's thinking because he's, after all, 1165 00:51:01,124 --> 00:51:03,091 a machine and should not be moving-- 1166 00:51:03,193 --> 00:51:06,961 I mean, they're all the questions that we deal with. 1167 00:51:07,063 --> 00:51:10,264 And whether it's race because it's skin color, 1168 00:51:10,366 --> 00:51:13,101 or race because you're an android, 1169 00:51:13,203 --> 00:51:16,237 or, you know, race because you're only this big and fuzzy. 1170 00:51:16,339 --> 00:51:17,705 You're a Tribble, you know? 1171 00:51:17,807 --> 00:51:20,908 It's all of these stories go into saying, 1172 00:51:21,010 --> 00:51:24,412 "Hey, we actually all have to try to do this together." 1173 00:51:26,349 --> 00:51:28,149 - The cultural makeup of the bridge, 1174 00:51:28,251 --> 00:51:29,951 that was science fiction... - Absolutely. 1175 00:51:30,053 --> 00:51:31,686 - In the mid '60s. 1176 00:51:31,788 --> 00:51:33,988 People who watch it today have no idea 1177 00:51:34,090 --> 00:51:36,524 how startling that was. 1178 00:51:36,626 --> 00:51:38,893 You had this multi-cultural crew, 1179 00:51:38,995 --> 00:51:40,094 not just multi-cultural, 1180 00:51:40,196 --> 00:51:43,264 but it was male and female as well. 1181 00:51:43,366 --> 00:51:46,200 I mean, I know that when Roddenberry did the first pilot 1182 00:51:46,302 --> 00:51:48,002 and Majel Barrett was Number One, 1183 00:51:48,104 --> 00:51:49,937 the studio was like... - Yeah. 1184 00:51:50,039 --> 00:51:52,140 - Who's gonna believe a woman in charge of a starship? 1185 00:51:52,242 --> 00:51:53,274 narrator: Coming up, 1186 00:51:53,376 --> 00:51:55,176 "Star Trek" invents the cell phone. 1187 00:51:55,278 --> 00:51:57,145 The tech that predicts our future. 1188 00:51:59,516 --> 00:52:01,249 - The thing that's really amazing about "Star Trek" 1189 00:52:01,318 --> 00:52:02,817 is that it definitely has inspired people 1190 00:52:02,919 --> 00:52:05,220 to sort of, you know, proceed down that path, right? 1191 00:52:05,322 --> 00:52:06,855 - Yeah. - A lot of technologists, 1192 00:52:06,957 --> 00:52:09,457 of course talk about the StarTAC Motorola phone, right? 1193 00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:11,125 The flip phone coming from the communicator. 1194 00:52:11,228 --> 00:52:14,128 But it gives people a vision to sort of think about, 1195 00:52:14,231 --> 00:52:15,663 "Well, why isn't that possible? 1196 00:52:15,765 --> 00:52:17,065 - Well, the PADD is an obvious thing, 1197 00:52:17,133 --> 00:52:19,200 which the iPad, I think, was designed after specifically. 1198 00:52:19,302 --> 00:52:20,768 - Didn't they say... - Yes. 1199 00:52:20,871 --> 00:52:21,936 - He took the design from iPad-- - Yes. 1200 00:52:22,038 --> 00:52:24,639 - Well, they wanted to call it a PADD, 1201 00:52:24,708 --> 00:52:26,174 Personal Access Display Device, 1202 00:52:26,243 --> 00:52:27,342 which is what we called it on the show, 1203 00:52:27,444 --> 00:52:29,110 but Paramount wouldn't allow it. 1204 00:52:29,212 --> 00:52:30,879 - And what's really neat, I mean, 1205 00:52:30,981 --> 00:52:32,547 the computer interaction is things like we get 1206 00:52:32,616 --> 00:52:34,983 with Siri and Alexa. - Well, yes, exactly. 1207 00:52:35,051 --> 00:52:36,784 I mean, you literally talk to a computer, 1208 00:52:36,887 --> 00:52:38,586 and it, you know, responds to your queries. 1209 00:52:38,688 --> 00:52:40,355 - Wow, you don't even think about that. 1210 00:52:40,423 --> 00:52:41,356 - Yeah. - I mean, I think this is 1211 00:52:41,424 --> 00:52:44,225 a really--kind of a neat dynamic 1212 00:52:44,327 --> 00:52:46,861 of science sort of influencing science fiction 1213 00:52:46,963 --> 00:52:50,498 and in return, getting some sort of inspiration back. 1214 00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,367 - The only thing they got really, really wrong for me 1215 00:52:52,435 --> 00:52:53,968 is the fact that they plugged Data in. 1216 00:52:54,070 --> 00:52:55,436 I feel like he'd have Bluetooth. 1217 00:52:57,974 --> 00:52:59,340 - They got to put him in his charger every night. 1218 00:53:00,443 --> 00:53:01,743 - When I see someone in a restaurant 1219 00:53:01,811 --> 00:53:04,379 and they have the Bluetooth in their ear 1220 00:53:04,447 --> 00:53:06,347 while dining with someone else, 1221 00:53:06,449 --> 00:53:09,417 I usually shout out, "Let it go, Uhura." 1222 00:53:11,454 --> 00:53:12,387 And you know what? 1223 00:53:12,455 --> 00:53:13,621 They know what I'm talking about. 1224 00:53:13,723 --> 00:53:15,557 - Oh, there you go. - And they feel horrible. 1225 00:53:20,363 --> 00:53:23,131 - Gene was clearly a visionary. 1226 00:53:23,233 --> 00:53:24,766 He went and studied, though, 1227 00:53:24,868 --> 00:53:26,968 the technologies that would be involved 1228 00:53:27,070 --> 00:53:29,737 in order to make his show credible. 1229 00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:32,273 - Believability was a huge thing for my father. 1230 00:53:32,375 --> 00:53:35,910 If you go back and read some of the original writers' guides 1231 00:53:36,012 --> 00:53:37,712 and bibles for the original series, 1232 00:53:37,814 --> 00:53:41,349 He says in there, you know, "Believability is essential." 1233 00:53:41,451 --> 00:53:43,117 - He brought Harvey Lynn, his cousin 1234 00:53:43,186 --> 00:53:45,720 who worked with the RAND company, to advise. 1235 00:53:45,822 --> 00:53:48,089 And that's where a lot of the technology came from. 1236 00:53:48,191 --> 00:53:50,525 - I think because I loved the space program, 1237 00:53:50,627 --> 00:53:53,328 "Star Trek" to me at that point felt real. 1238 00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:55,163 It felt like they all took it kinda seriously. 1239 00:53:55,265 --> 00:53:56,864 There was a real ship like that. 1240 00:53:56,933 --> 00:53:59,167 I do remember when I was a kid I thought that was a real ship. 1241 00:53:59,269 --> 00:54:00,802 I thought, you know, "There's a big ship 1242 00:54:00,904 --> 00:54:02,804 that flies around in space. I see it every week." 1243 00:54:02,906 --> 00:54:05,406 - The technology absolutely captured my imagination. 1244 00:54:05,475 --> 00:54:09,344 I mean, especially the idea of being able to 1245 00:54:09,446 --> 00:54:11,446 live in this giant spaceship. 1246 00:54:11,548 --> 00:54:14,215 - He wanted to do adult stories, adult science fiction, 1247 00:54:14,284 --> 00:54:17,485 so he knew that in order to make that kind of a show work, 1248 00:54:17,587 --> 00:54:20,588 he had a very credible design for his starship. 1249 00:54:20,657 --> 00:54:22,624 - But there's a reason the Enterprise hangs 1250 00:54:22,726 --> 00:54:25,426 in the Smithsonian Institute. 1251 00:54:25,495 --> 00:54:27,862 It is such-- not just an iconic ship, 1252 00:54:27,931 --> 00:54:29,397 but such a beautiful ship. 1253 00:54:29,499 --> 00:54:31,666 It's a magnificent aesthetic achievement. 1254 00:54:31,768 --> 00:54:34,669 - Roddenberry said, "We want our audience to believe 1255 00:54:34,771 --> 00:54:37,071 "that for the hour they're watching 'Star Trek,' 1256 00:54:37,140 --> 00:54:40,508 "they're really on a spaceship out exploring the galaxy. 1257 00:54:40,577 --> 00:54:42,276 "So we have to design the bridge. 1258 00:54:42,379 --> 00:54:44,479 "We have to think about navigation. 1259 00:54:44,547 --> 00:54:46,581 We have to think about what powers the ship." 1260 00:54:46,683 --> 00:54:47,915 And then he thought, "You know, 1261 00:54:48,018 --> 00:54:50,585 "why don't we set up a system 1262 00:54:50,687 --> 00:54:52,120 "in the sick bay called the biobed? 1263 00:54:52,222 --> 00:54:54,389 "A crewman comes in, lays down on the biobed, 1264 00:54:54,491 --> 00:54:56,224 "and on a computer screen above the bed, 1265 00:54:56,326 --> 00:54:59,193 it instantly displays all of their vital signs." 1266 00:54:59,295 --> 00:55:00,762 narrator: The creators of "Star Trek" 1267 00:55:00,864 --> 00:55:03,064 designed and engineered gadgets for the crew 1268 00:55:03,133 --> 00:55:04,932 that are decades ahead of their time. 1269 00:55:05,035 --> 00:55:08,269 And inspire the devices that are second nature to us today. 1270 00:55:08,371 --> 00:55:11,539 - But also the smaller things like the tricorder 1271 00:55:11,608 --> 00:55:14,308 or the communicator, which, I mean, 1272 00:55:14,411 --> 00:55:16,611 you know I have one in my pocket right now 1273 00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,379 that's not dissimilar. 1274 00:55:18,481 --> 00:55:20,448 - Leonard Nimoy, years ago, 1275 00:55:20,517 --> 00:55:24,819 he told me the flip phone was purposely designed 1276 00:55:24,888 --> 00:55:26,621 to look like a communicator. 1277 00:55:26,690 --> 00:55:28,623 That the inventor of the flip phone 1278 00:55:28,692 --> 00:55:31,826 wanted it to be a pastiche of "Star Trek." 1279 00:55:31,928 --> 00:55:34,862 - A guy named Martin Cooper in the 1970s 1280 00:55:34,964 --> 00:55:38,666 was tasked by Motorola and Bell Labs 1281 00:55:38,768 --> 00:55:41,836 to create a, you know, one of the first cell phones. 1282 00:55:41,938 --> 00:55:44,238 A portable telephone that, you know, 1283 00:55:44,340 --> 00:55:46,040 you could carry and walk around with, 1284 00:55:46,142 --> 00:55:48,176 and it would ultimately be small enough 1285 00:55:48,244 --> 00:55:49,610 to fit in a pocket. 1286 00:55:49,713 --> 00:55:53,915 And Cooper explicitly said, "When I was designing 1287 00:55:53,983 --> 00:55:57,418 "that first handheld phone, I thought, 1288 00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:58,853 "'You know, this thing is kinda big. 1289 00:55:58,955 --> 00:56:01,923 "'It's a little bulky, but if I fold it in half, 1290 00:56:01,991 --> 00:56:04,625 "'that'll save-- that'll save space. 1291 00:56:04,728 --> 00:56:06,394 "'It'll make it smaller and easier to carry. 1292 00:56:06,496 --> 00:56:08,096 "'Plus, it'll be really cool to flip open 1293 00:56:08,164 --> 00:56:10,031 "'Like the communicators on "Star Trek."'" 1294 00:56:10,133 --> 00:56:13,367 - You have these PADDs that are now iPads and everything. 1295 00:56:13,436 --> 00:56:17,305 Well, we didn't have iPads then, so it was--it was like 1296 00:56:17,407 --> 00:56:19,474 we were doing it, we'd be making things up. 1297 00:56:19,542 --> 00:56:21,075 But if you set it down too hard, you gotta do-- 1298 00:56:21,177 --> 00:56:22,243 it would make a clunk. 1299 00:56:22,345 --> 00:56:23,244 You'd have to take the whole shot over. 1300 00:56:23,346 --> 00:56:25,980 - The PADDs that they used, 1301 00:56:26,082 --> 00:56:28,382 which had nothing on them, 1302 00:56:28,451 --> 00:56:32,787 we'd use them in the stories to somehow advance the plot, 1303 00:56:32,889 --> 00:56:35,356 or they're looking at a report. 1304 00:56:35,458 --> 00:56:38,860 Never in a million years did any of us think 1305 00:56:38,962 --> 00:56:41,095 this would be a thing. 1306 00:56:41,164 --> 00:56:43,064 It was total science fiction to us. 1307 00:56:43,166 --> 00:56:45,466 - It was 20 years after 1308 00:56:45,568 --> 00:56:47,568 "Star Trek: The Next Generation" premiered 1309 00:56:47,637 --> 00:56:50,204 that Apple introduced the iPad. 1310 00:56:50,273 --> 00:56:55,476 And that's, you know, that's a dead ringer, really, 1311 00:56:55,545 --> 00:56:57,111 for the PADDs that we had on "Star Trek: The Next Generation" 1312 00:56:57,213 --> 00:56:58,880 20 years earlier. 1313 00:56:58,982 --> 00:57:01,082 - People forget this. They look at it now, they say, 1314 00:57:01,184 --> 00:57:03,017 "Oh, 'Star Trek's' so dated. It's so primitive." 1315 00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:04,185 They have no idea. 1316 00:57:04,287 --> 00:57:06,287 Supermarkets didn't have sliding doors yet. 1317 00:57:06,389 --> 00:57:08,322 That's how prescient "Star Trek" was. 1318 00:57:08,391 --> 00:57:10,858 - It was Roddenberry's idea for the holodeck, 1319 00:57:10,927 --> 00:57:13,494 which I always thought was revolutionary, you know? 1320 00:57:13,563 --> 00:57:15,229 Virtual reality was being explored 1321 00:57:15,298 --> 00:57:17,665 in science fiction novels, 1322 00:57:17,767 --> 00:57:20,468 but he was really the first to kind of put 1323 00:57:20,570 --> 00:57:23,905 true, thorough virtual reality, 1324 00:57:24,007 --> 00:57:25,473 certainly onto a television show. 1325 00:57:25,575 --> 00:57:27,875 - The holodeck, which was a wonderful invention 1326 00:57:27,944 --> 00:57:31,846 taken to imaginative creative extremes in "Next Generation," 1327 00:57:31,948 --> 00:57:33,881 has its origins in the "Star Trek" animated series 1328 00:57:33,950 --> 00:57:35,049 that most people don't know. 1329 00:57:35,118 --> 00:57:36,918 The holodeck was in an episode 1330 00:57:37,020 --> 00:57:38,753 of the "Star Trek" cartoon, "Practical Joker." 1331 00:57:38,855 --> 00:57:40,154 That was the first time we saw that. 1332 00:57:40,223 --> 00:57:42,323 - If you look at "Star Trek," the original "Star Trek," 1333 00:57:42,392 --> 00:57:45,693 you will see Spock holding little cards 1334 00:57:45,762 --> 00:57:48,229 and data cards that he would slip 1335 00:57:48,331 --> 00:57:50,031 into a slot on the computer. 1336 00:57:50,133 --> 00:57:52,733 They look exactly like the 3 1/2" floppy disks 1337 00:57:52,836 --> 00:57:54,769 that were created 20 years later. 1338 00:57:54,871 --> 00:57:56,871 - It's remarkable to think, you know, 1339 00:57:56,940 --> 00:57:58,206 Siri's getting pretty close 1340 00:57:58,308 --> 00:57:59,841 to the computer on the Enterprise. 1341 00:57:59,943 --> 00:58:03,244 - "Star Trek," I think, on the technology side, 1342 00:58:03,313 --> 00:58:06,147 partly it's the extraordinary vision of Gene and the people 1343 00:58:06,249 --> 00:58:08,683 that he worked with in creating that original show 1344 00:58:08,785 --> 00:58:12,587 and thinking about how things can be better in the future, 1345 00:58:12,689 --> 00:58:14,822 and then people growing up watching "Star Trek" 1346 00:58:14,924 --> 00:58:16,457 making those things happen 1347 00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:18,426 because they were inspired by "Star Trek." 1348 00:58:18,528 --> 00:58:21,562 So it's a really fascinating kind of feedback loop 1349 00:58:21,664 --> 00:58:24,265 between art and science. 1350 00:58:24,334 --> 00:58:26,734 - I can't think of another show that had nearly the impact 1351 00:58:26,836 --> 00:58:30,705 for people who really, you know, work in the aerospace industry 1352 00:58:30,807 --> 00:58:32,273 that "Star Trek" did, right. 1353 00:58:32,342 --> 00:58:34,408 Or even for a lot of cases, physics and things like that. 1354 00:58:34,510 --> 00:58:37,945 Because it did take a realistic approach to science 1355 00:58:38,047 --> 00:58:40,181 and using science to solve problems. 1356 00:58:40,250 --> 00:58:43,217 But you try to solve them with a rational approach. 1357 00:58:43,319 --> 00:58:46,254 narrator: Coming up, the Enterprise lifts off. 1358 00:58:48,824 --> 00:58:49,857 narrator: "Star Trek" begins as a prime-time 1359 00:58:49,926 --> 00:58:51,258 television series, 1360 00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:52,893 but over the next half century, 1361 00:58:52,995 --> 00:58:55,329 it reaches far beyond the airwaves 1362 00:58:55,431 --> 00:58:57,631 to help shape our world. 1363 00:58:57,733 --> 00:59:00,234 - "Star Trek" inspired people. 1364 00:59:00,303 --> 00:59:03,971 "Star Trek," like, people became scientists. 1365 00:59:04,073 --> 00:59:05,539 They became physicists. 1366 00:59:05,641 --> 00:59:08,208 They became doctors and astronauts 1367 00:59:08,311 --> 00:59:10,144 because of "Star Trek." 1368 00:59:10,212 --> 00:59:12,947 - When you see someone who says, "You were such a role model. 1369 00:59:13,015 --> 00:59:14,815 You know, I went to med school because of you." 1370 00:59:14,917 --> 00:59:16,750 Or, "I got into nursing because of you." 1371 00:59:16,852 --> 00:59:19,386 It made it richer for me. It made it a richer experience. 1372 00:59:19,488 --> 00:59:21,288 - One of the reasons I wanted to become an engineer 1373 00:59:21,390 --> 00:59:23,157 was because of "Star Trek." 1374 00:59:23,259 --> 00:59:26,961 Because there was something different about it 1375 00:59:27,029 --> 00:59:31,532 in that the world felt more thought through and real 1376 00:59:31,634 --> 00:59:34,101 than other things that you had seen. 1377 00:59:34,203 --> 00:59:37,571 - I mean, there's a picture of NASA and Mission Control 1378 00:59:37,673 --> 00:59:39,740 and people were wearing Spock ears. 1379 00:59:39,842 --> 00:59:43,744 - People who went to college to study physics 1380 00:59:43,846 --> 00:59:46,413 or engineering or medicine because they grew up 1381 00:59:46,482 --> 00:59:48,148 and were inspired by "Star Trek." 1382 00:59:48,217 --> 00:59:50,951 And wanted to be the next Scotty or the next Dr. McCoy. 1383 00:59:51,053 --> 00:59:52,486 - Jimmy Doohan, who played Scotty, 1384 00:59:52,588 --> 00:59:54,888 and DeForest Kelley, who played McCoy, 1385 00:59:54,957 --> 00:59:58,959 were always relating stories 1386 00:59:59,061 --> 01:00:00,527 of people who had written to them 1387 01:00:00,596 --> 01:00:02,596 and would become engineers and doctors 1388 01:00:02,698 --> 01:00:04,531 because of "Star Trek." 1389 01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:06,767 I think that was great. 1390 01:00:06,869 --> 01:00:10,070 But how does that apply to me? And it didn't. 1391 01:00:10,139 --> 01:00:12,106 And for the longest time, it didn't. 1392 01:00:12,208 --> 01:00:15,609 Until I met a young lady, who after "Star Trek" 1393 01:00:15,678 --> 01:00:19,046 had gone to school to learn Russian 1394 01:00:19,148 --> 01:00:22,216 and went to work for the State Department. 1395 01:00:22,318 --> 01:00:26,887 Her mission was so important 1396 01:00:26,956 --> 01:00:28,856 that she couldn't tell me what it was about. 1397 01:00:28,958 --> 01:00:30,958 But it had to do with the Russians, 1398 01:00:31,060 --> 01:00:34,194 so I actually helped inspire a spy. 1399 01:00:35,431 --> 01:00:37,598 - I was so fascinated by "Star Trek" 1400 01:00:37,700 --> 01:00:41,068 that maybe the first filmmaking book I can remember reading was 1401 01:00:41,170 --> 01:00:43,570 "The Making of Star Trek" by Stephen Whitfield. 1402 01:00:43,673 --> 01:00:45,439 And I remember being so fascinated 1403 01:00:45,541 --> 01:00:48,842 by looking at the behind-the-scenes pictures, 1404 01:00:48,944 --> 01:00:51,679 the layout of how the sets were put together 1405 01:00:51,781 --> 01:00:54,314 at Desilu and Paramount Studios. 1406 01:00:54,417 --> 01:00:56,550 The idea of using a colored light 1407 01:00:56,619 --> 01:00:58,519 to create different planets. 1408 01:00:58,621 --> 01:01:01,922 Just all the imagination that went into it, 1409 01:01:01,991 --> 01:01:03,757 it just really excited me, 1410 01:01:03,859 --> 01:01:07,327 and it really became a doorway into the idea of filmmaking 1411 01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:10,764 and into television, which obviously, you know, 1412 01:01:10,866 --> 01:01:12,132 I've spent my whole life on. 1413 01:01:12,234 --> 01:01:14,802 - Probably one of the most influential books in my life 1414 01:01:14,904 --> 01:01:16,704 was discovering "The Making of Star Trek" 1415 01:01:16,806 --> 01:01:19,273 by Stephen Whitfield, which I found at a school book fair 1416 01:01:19,375 --> 01:01:20,841 in the sixth grade. 1417 01:01:20,910 --> 01:01:24,311 And I read that thing cover to cover over and over again 1418 01:01:24,413 --> 01:01:27,114 'cause that really was about the making of a television series, 1419 01:01:27,183 --> 01:01:30,517 about selling a pilot, you know, show bibles 1420 01:01:30,619 --> 01:01:32,986 and production questions and issues 1421 01:01:33,089 --> 01:01:34,121 and fighting with networks. 1422 01:01:34,190 --> 01:01:36,690 And I was completely enthralled with it. 1423 01:01:36,792 --> 01:01:40,661 And it sort of--it imprinted itself in me in a profound way. 1424 01:01:40,730 --> 01:01:42,730 You know, I didn't really think about 1425 01:01:42,832 --> 01:01:45,032 becoming a television writer at that age, 1426 01:01:45,101 --> 01:01:46,233 and wouldn't for many, many years. 1427 01:01:46,335 --> 01:01:48,035 'Cause that wasn't a real job. 1428 01:01:48,104 --> 01:01:50,871 But reading that book gave me a hunger to do that. 1429 01:01:50,973 --> 01:01:53,607 I wanted, on some basic level, to do that, too, 1430 01:01:53,709 --> 01:01:56,110 to make a television series and to do those things 1431 01:01:56,212 --> 01:01:57,478 like Gene had done. 1432 01:01:57,546 --> 01:02:01,048 - We were invited to the rollout of the Enterprise shuttle. 1433 01:02:01,117 --> 01:02:04,551 I didn't have an understanding of how significant it was 1434 01:02:04,653 --> 01:02:06,420 until we got there. 1435 01:02:06,522 --> 01:02:08,322 And there were several hundred people there. 1436 01:02:08,390 --> 01:02:10,657 And they had the Air Force Band. 1437 01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:15,529 The conductor raised the baton and waved his hand 1438 01:02:15,631 --> 01:02:18,599 and the band started playing up. 1439 01:02:18,667 --> 01:02:21,935 The Enterprise rolled out from behind the building, 1440 01:02:22,037 --> 01:02:24,338 and it was amazing to see. 1441 01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,940 As it came out, the band started playing 1442 01:02:27,042 --> 01:02:29,109 the theme music from "Star Trek." 1443 01:02:29,211 --> 01:02:35,315 And we jumped up as one, and were cheering and screaming. 1444 01:02:35,384 --> 01:02:38,185 It was just the most remarkable moment. 1445 01:02:38,287 --> 01:02:40,954 And, you know, across the nose of the shuttle 1446 01:02:41,023 --> 01:02:43,290 was the word "Enterprise." 1447 01:02:43,392 --> 01:02:47,361 For the first time, I realized that there was a significance 1448 01:02:47,463 --> 01:02:51,431 beyond the fact that we were a television show 1449 01:02:51,500 --> 01:02:53,066 that went on once a week. 1450 01:02:53,135 --> 01:02:56,837 That we really had an influence in the culture. 1451 01:02:56,939 --> 01:02:58,272 And I guess it was the first time 1452 01:02:58,374 --> 01:03:01,675 that I really felt that I could take a bow. 1453 01:03:01,777 --> 01:03:05,579 Up until then, my sense was, "I'm a supporting character 1454 01:03:05,681 --> 01:03:07,815 "with very little to do. 1455 01:03:07,917 --> 01:03:11,752 I'm riding the coattails of this television project, 1456 01:03:11,854 --> 01:03:14,021 and I haven't really contributed very much. 1457 01:03:14,123 --> 01:03:17,324 Well, that was all true, but I realized then 1458 01:03:17,426 --> 01:03:21,261 that I was part of a group that, as a group, 1459 01:03:21,330 --> 01:03:22,729 we had an influence. 1460 01:03:22,798 --> 01:03:25,899 That we had an influence in society 1461 01:03:25,968 --> 01:03:27,668 - Because of "Star Trek," I am all the things I just said. 1462 01:03:27,770 --> 01:03:30,938 Engineer, physicist, doctor, psychiatrist. 1463 01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:33,507 I've joined the military. I became a policeman. 1464 01:03:33,609 --> 01:03:37,377 But the most potent, I think, 1465 01:03:37,479 --> 01:03:39,246 are the stories where someone comes up 1466 01:03:39,348 --> 01:03:42,950 and looks you in the eye and says, 1467 01:03:43,052 --> 01:03:46,520 "Star Trek was the only time in my house 1468 01:03:46,622 --> 01:03:48,589 "where there was peace. 1469 01:03:48,691 --> 01:03:51,792 "Where my dad or my mother or the abuse or the alcohol," 1470 01:03:51,894 --> 01:03:54,461 or whatever it was, "the only time where we sat together 1471 01:03:54,530 --> 01:03:58,899 and it was peaceful and trouble-free." 1472 01:03:59,001 --> 01:04:01,168 And--and it's heartbreaking. 1473 01:04:01,270 --> 01:04:02,369 And it's true. 1474 01:04:02,438 --> 01:04:04,071 You can see it in their eyes how true it is 1475 01:04:04,173 --> 01:04:05,372 and how important it is. 1476 01:04:05,441 --> 01:04:10,611 - There are people who have gone to nine foster homes, 1477 01:04:10,713 --> 01:04:15,549 and the only steady thing in all of those foster homes 1478 01:04:15,618 --> 01:04:17,718 was that the family watched "Star Trek." 1479 01:04:17,820 --> 01:04:20,754 - "Star Trek" over the years has inspired people. 1480 01:04:20,823 --> 01:04:26,126 And whether it's inspired them to follow their dreams 1481 01:04:26,228 --> 01:04:28,128 or believe in themselves, 1482 01:04:28,230 --> 01:04:31,164 I mean, that's the-- one of the key messages 1483 01:04:31,267 --> 01:04:35,435 in "Star Trek" is, "You're a great person. 1484 01:04:35,537 --> 01:04:37,738 "You have valid thoughts, valid ideas. 1485 01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:41,008 "Never think of yourself as less than anyone else. 1486 01:04:41,110 --> 01:04:45,646 Now go out there and follow your dreams." 1487 01:04:45,748 --> 01:04:47,281 - We were talking earlier, Doug, 1488 01:04:47,383 --> 01:04:50,984 before we started shooting here and I just found out, 1489 01:04:51,086 --> 01:04:54,421 somehow, just found out about a book right here. 1490 01:04:54,523 --> 01:04:55,989 - How could you have missed this book? 1491 01:04:56,091 --> 01:05:00,861 - Here it is, "The Making of Star Trek." 1492 01:05:00,930 --> 01:05:02,396 - That's the book. 1493 01:05:02,464 --> 01:05:04,164 - The book. - The book. 1494 01:05:04,266 --> 01:05:06,533 That book changed my life completely. 1495 01:05:06,635 --> 01:05:07,701 That book came out, I guess, like, 1496 01:05:07,803 --> 01:05:09,002 the second season of "Star Trek." 1497 01:05:09,104 --> 01:05:10,971 - Uh-huh. - I was crazy about the show. 1498 01:05:11,073 --> 01:05:13,573 - That book was, I mean for me, 1499 01:05:13,676 --> 01:05:15,943 it was like Popeye downing a can of spinach. 1500 01:05:16,011 --> 01:05:16,977 Can I see it? - I mean, look at this. 1501 01:05:17,079 --> 01:05:18,312 This is the diagram of the bridge. 1502 01:05:18,380 --> 01:05:21,648 - Honestly, I mean, it totally gave me a direction. 1503 01:05:21,750 --> 01:05:24,217 I knew what I wanted to do after I read that book. 1504 01:05:24,286 --> 01:05:27,421 And I could say that "Star Trek" and that book 1505 01:05:27,489 --> 01:05:29,690 made me who I am today, and that kinda sounds a little sad. 1506 01:05:29,758 --> 01:05:32,192 But, you know, it led me to a couple of Emmys. 1507 01:05:32,294 --> 01:05:34,261 Led me to an Academy Award, you know. 1508 01:05:34,363 --> 01:05:36,496 And that's all because of "Star Trek." 1509 01:05:36,565 --> 01:05:39,266 narrator: Coming up, the battle of the episodes. 1510 01:05:39,368 --> 01:05:40,968 The cast reveal their favorites. 1511 01:05:41,036 --> 01:05:43,570 - This episode is brilliant. 1512 01:05:46,042 --> 01:05:47,475 - My favorite episodes were always the ones-- 1513 01:05:47,577 --> 01:05:48,809 personally, 'cause, you know, I was doing 'em. 1514 01:05:48,912 --> 01:05:50,778 - Mm-hmm. - Were the ones where Seven 1515 01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:52,179 was really exploring her humanity. 1516 01:05:52,282 --> 01:05:54,382 So I think it was "Someone To Watch Over Me" 1517 01:05:54,484 --> 01:05:55,883 where the doctor's teaching Seven how to date. 1518 01:05:55,985 --> 01:05:58,085 - Oh, that's a great one. - And I just-- 1519 01:05:58,187 --> 01:06:00,621 I thought that was so lovely and so touching, 1520 01:06:00,723 --> 01:06:02,223 and it just broke my heart at the end 1521 01:06:02,325 --> 01:06:03,658 when he's kinda falling in love with Seven 1522 01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:05,426 and she's like, "Yeah, there's nobody here for me." 1523 01:06:05,528 --> 01:06:06,961 I hated that moment. 1524 01:06:07,063 --> 01:06:09,397 - That's where you break the exoskeleton if I'm not mistaken. 1525 01:06:09,499 --> 01:06:11,032 - Yes! - The lobster. 1526 01:06:11,134 --> 01:06:12,366 - The creature has an exoskeleton, yes. 1527 01:06:13,603 --> 01:06:15,603 So that was one of my favorites, definitely. 1528 01:06:20,610 --> 01:06:24,278 - Well, a truly great "Star Trek" episode, 1529 01:06:24,380 --> 01:06:28,683 in my opinion, has a list of ingredients. 1530 01:06:28,785 --> 01:06:30,718 It's an equation. 1531 01:06:30,820 --> 01:06:33,721 And that equation includes: 1532 01:06:33,823 --> 01:06:36,657 a great high concept 1533 01:06:36,759 --> 01:06:39,927 that provides cool character dynamics 1534 01:06:40,029 --> 01:06:43,130 and conflict, but also is a parable. 1535 01:06:43,232 --> 01:06:44,565 It has some deeper theme. 1536 01:06:44,667 --> 01:06:46,067 - "Devil in the Dark" 1537 01:06:46,169 --> 01:06:47,501 I thought was a wonderful episode 1538 01:06:47,603 --> 01:06:51,305 about--about fear of the unknown. 1539 01:06:51,407 --> 01:06:52,840 How we fear--and even hate 1540 01:06:52,942 --> 01:06:55,276 something that we don't know anything about. 1541 01:06:55,378 --> 01:06:57,111 Learn who your enemy is and maybe then-- 1542 01:06:57,213 --> 01:07:00,214 maybe then it's no longer your enemy. 1543 01:07:01,384 --> 01:07:03,017 Interesting episode. 1544 01:07:03,119 --> 01:07:05,353 - You know, I remember the "Devil in the Dark" episode 1545 01:07:05,455 --> 01:07:07,188 with the Horta. That really left 1546 01:07:07,290 --> 01:07:08,489 a big impression on me as a kid, 1547 01:07:08,591 --> 01:07:10,424 that he didn't kill the monster 1548 01:07:10,526 --> 01:07:11,759 and that the monster was a mother 1549 01:07:11,861 --> 01:07:13,194 and had all these eggs. 1550 01:07:13,296 --> 01:07:14,528 - They're eggs, aren't they? 1551 01:07:14,630 --> 01:07:16,397 - Yes, Captain. Eggs. 1552 01:07:16,499 --> 01:07:18,065 And about to hatch. 1553 01:07:18,167 --> 01:07:19,667 - "A City on the Edge of Forever" 1554 01:07:19,769 --> 01:07:21,802 which is, of course, the episode of "Star Trek" 1555 01:07:21,904 --> 01:07:24,305 that is the one that everybody knows is a great one. 1556 01:07:24,407 --> 01:07:26,774 It's a little bit-- it's an eccentric episode. 1557 01:07:26,876 --> 01:07:30,544 I love also the two-parter. 1558 01:07:30,646 --> 01:07:33,381 The repurposing of the original pilot 1559 01:07:33,483 --> 01:07:34,715 into "The Ca--" 1560 01:07:34,817 --> 01:07:36,684 What is it, "The Cage: Part one and two"? 1561 01:07:36,786 --> 01:07:40,821 And that's brilliant--we refer to these shows all the time 1562 01:07:40,923 --> 01:07:42,356 on "Breaking Bad" in the writer's room. 1563 01:07:42,458 --> 01:07:44,358 We prefer to, you know, Tranya. 1564 01:07:44,460 --> 01:07:47,595 We refer to Captain Pike with his--with the light. 1565 01:07:47,697 --> 01:07:50,164 I mean, which, you know, couldn't even think of 1566 01:07:50,266 --> 01:07:52,566 as being a little bit like a Hector Salamanca 1567 01:07:52,668 --> 01:07:54,735 when he's in the wheelchair and he's got the bell. 1568 01:07:54,837 --> 01:07:56,604 - I really loved "Yesterday's Enterprise." 1569 01:07:56,706 --> 01:07:58,172 It was a spec script that I had 1570 01:07:58,274 --> 01:08:00,708 that had gone through a couple of drafts already. 1571 01:08:00,810 --> 01:08:02,610 Then I took a pass at it 1572 01:08:02,712 --> 01:08:05,479 and reconceiving the story and kinda making it 1573 01:08:05,581 --> 01:08:07,481 a much more darker universe on the other side 1574 01:08:07,583 --> 01:08:09,884 and emphasizing the war aspect of it. 1575 01:08:09,986 --> 01:08:11,452 And the tragedy of it. 1576 01:08:11,554 --> 01:08:14,922 - My favorite is my favorite because it's just brilliant. 1577 01:08:15,024 --> 01:08:17,758 Brilliant writing. Brilliant directing. 1578 01:08:17,860 --> 01:08:19,326 Brilliant acting. 1579 01:08:19,429 --> 01:08:21,762 And it's called "Far Beyond the Stars." 1580 01:08:21,864 --> 01:08:24,698 It's where all the series regulars 1581 01:08:24,801 --> 01:08:26,700 appear as humans, 1582 01:08:26,803 --> 01:08:30,504 and the episode has to deal with racism. 1583 01:08:30,606 --> 01:08:32,506 It's not just good "Star Trek." 1584 01:08:32,608 --> 01:08:34,775 It's not just good science fiction. 1585 01:08:34,877 --> 01:08:36,210 It's great literature. 1586 01:08:43,519 --> 01:08:45,853 - Well, you know, I think I'm the last 1587 01:08:45,955 --> 01:08:47,688 character Gene created. 1588 01:08:47,790 --> 01:08:51,425 I think I'm the last one that he actually created 1589 01:08:51,527 --> 01:08:53,694 based on Texas Guinan. 1590 01:08:53,796 --> 01:08:56,597 - Guinan her name was. After Texas Guinan 1591 01:08:56,699 --> 01:08:58,499 who was a famous card player and gambler, 1592 01:08:58,601 --> 01:09:01,235 or whatever she was. 1593 01:09:01,337 --> 01:09:05,339 And Whoopi showed up in the show and brought in 1594 01:09:05,441 --> 01:09:09,210 this--this aura. 1595 01:09:09,312 --> 01:09:12,113 And the wild-- remember the shovelhead hats 1596 01:09:12,215 --> 01:09:14,648 she used to wear? That beautiful face 1597 01:09:14,750 --> 01:09:16,884 with those big eyes and that gorgeous skin 1598 01:09:16,986 --> 01:09:19,954 and the voice. And she played it so straight. 1599 01:09:20,056 --> 01:09:22,089 - Guinan was great, again, 'cause Whoopi's playing it. 1600 01:09:22,191 --> 01:09:24,125 Guinan was a strange, mysterioso character 1601 01:09:24,227 --> 01:09:25,426 that no--none of us really understood 1602 01:09:25,528 --> 01:09:26,760 what the hell she was. 1603 01:09:26,863 --> 01:09:29,630 When we started really getting into "Next Gen" 1604 01:09:29,732 --> 01:09:31,665 in the later years, what we said was, 1605 01:09:31,767 --> 01:09:33,734 "It's really about her relationship with Picard. 1606 01:09:33,836 --> 01:09:35,703 "Yes, she's the bartender and, yes, she listens 1607 01:09:35,805 --> 01:09:38,405 "to all their problems and gives insight to people 1608 01:09:38,508 --> 01:09:41,675 "for various issues, but she has some back-story 1609 01:09:41,777 --> 01:09:44,178 "with Picard, and it's a personal relationship with him 1610 01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:45,613 "that drives that character forward. 1611 01:09:45,715 --> 01:09:47,281 "And it's the only reason she's on the ship. 1612 01:09:47,383 --> 01:09:50,184 It's the only reason that she really matters on the show." 1613 01:09:50,286 --> 01:09:53,187 - In my mind, always believed that 1614 01:09:53,289 --> 01:09:56,023 Guinan was the great-great-great-great-great- 1615 01:09:56,125 --> 01:09:57,858 great-great-great-great-great- great-great-great-great- 1616 01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,494 great-great-great-great-great-- couple more greats 1617 01:10:00,596 --> 01:10:03,097 grandmother of Picard. 1618 01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:06,567 And the reason she's on the ship is just to see how he's doing. 1619 01:10:06,669 --> 01:10:08,736 'Cause, you know, she can go anywhere at any time, 1620 01:10:08,838 --> 01:10:11,405 and she just irritates the hell outta Q. 1621 01:10:11,507 --> 01:10:14,175 Which made me very happy. John is wonderful. 1622 01:10:14,277 --> 01:10:17,077 - You know him? 1623 01:10:17,180 --> 01:10:18,579 - We have had some dealings. 1624 01:10:18,681 --> 01:10:21,649 - Those dealings were two centuries ago. 1625 01:10:21,751 --> 01:10:24,385 This creature is not what she appears to be. 1626 01:10:24,487 --> 01:10:26,554 She's an imp, and where she goes 1627 01:10:26,656 --> 01:10:28,522 trouble always follows. 1628 01:10:28,624 --> 01:10:30,558 - You're speaking of yourself, Q, not Guinan. 1629 01:10:30,660 --> 01:10:33,127 - Guinan? Is that your name now? 1630 01:10:33,229 --> 01:10:35,396 - Guinan is not the issue here. You are. 1631 01:10:35,498 --> 01:10:40,701 - I ended up doing six episodes of "Next Generation." 1632 01:10:40,803 --> 01:10:42,436 - Anytime there was an episode with Q in it, 1633 01:10:42,538 --> 01:10:46,273 I loved because whenever he was in an episode, 1634 01:10:46,375 --> 01:10:48,309 he was, you know, he was Agent Mayhem. 1635 01:10:48,411 --> 01:10:51,745 He was--it was going to be something really intense, 1636 01:10:51,847 --> 01:10:53,781 and he was seemingly unstoppable. 1637 01:10:53,883 --> 01:10:56,016 And so it was always really fascinating to watch. 1638 01:10:56,118 --> 01:10:58,018 - Jonathan Frakes used to say to me, 1639 01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:00,087 "You're the litmus test. 1640 01:11:00,189 --> 01:11:01,789 You come back once a year." 1641 01:11:01,891 --> 01:11:05,359 I always looked forward to come back, but I never asked. 1642 01:11:05,461 --> 01:11:07,194 It's a little bit like asking whether you're gonna 1643 01:11:07,296 --> 01:11:09,330 be invited to somebody's dinner party. 1644 01:11:09,432 --> 01:11:12,633 - The character of Q-- that omnipotent, 1645 01:11:12,735 --> 01:11:14,635 Machiavellian, 1646 01:11:14,737 --> 01:11:16,337 cunning, bitter, 1647 01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:18,639 nasty, mean-spirited, 1648 01:11:18,741 --> 01:11:20,841 controlling character-- 1649 01:11:20,943 --> 01:11:23,544 I can't even fathom anybody else 1650 01:11:23,646 --> 01:11:25,779 doing as much with it. 1651 01:11:25,881 --> 01:11:28,249 Painting that canvas as completely 1652 01:11:28,351 --> 01:11:32,620 as de Lancie did and does with all his characters. 1653 01:11:32,722 --> 01:11:35,022 Have you any idea how far we'll advance? 1654 01:11:35,124 --> 01:11:37,992 - Perhaps in a future that you cannot yet conceive, 1655 01:11:38,094 --> 01:11:39,994 even beyond us. 1656 01:11:40,096 --> 01:11:42,329 - The character on the page is just not as entertaining. 1657 01:11:42,431 --> 01:11:43,664 You give it to John de Lancie, 1658 01:11:43,766 --> 01:11:45,532 and it becomes this other thing, right? 1659 01:11:45,635 --> 01:11:47,434 And everyone enjoyed writing for him. 1660 01:11:47,536 --> 01:11:49,703 It really-- people would just write 1661 01:11:49,805 --> 01:11:52,206 scene after scene after scene for Q in any of those shows, 1662 01:11:52,308 --> 01:11:55,676 and many of them were too silly or too over-the-top, 1663 01:11:55,778 --> 01:11:57,645 but you just really enjoyed it. 1664 01:11:57,747 --> 01:11:58,912 You really couldn't wait to dig your-- 1665 01:11:59,015 --> 01:12:00,781 dig into a Q episode. 1666 01:12:00,883 --> 01:12:02,783 Internally, what we said all the time was, 1667 01:12:02,885 --> 01:12:04,118 "Q is in love with Picard." 1668 01:12:04,220 --> 01:12:05,886 That was the fundamental of the relationship. 1669 01:12:05,988 --> 01:12:07,321 He's in love with him. He just is. 1670 01:12:07,423 --> 01:12:08,722 He loves Picard. 1671 01:12:08,824 --> 01:12:11,525 It's a particular relationship with this one human 1672 01:12:11,627 --> 01:12:13,527 and this omnipotent being that's bizarre, 1673 01:12:13,629 --> 01:12:16,063 but that's really what's at the heart of it. 1674 01:12:16,165 --> 01:12:18,732 narrator: Coming up, Kirk versus Picard. 1675 01:12:18,834 --> 01:12:21,168 Who will win the battle of the captains? 1676 01:12:23,472 --> 01:12:25,505 - "Star Trek" is so character-oriented, 1677 01:12:25,607 --> 01:12:27,674 and there were so many great characters. 1678 01:12:27,776 --> 01:12:29,142 So many people got a chance to shine. 1679 01:12:29,244 --> 01:12:30,677 But I think that my favorite character 1680 01:12:30,779 --> 01:12:33,180 is "Mcskirk." - "Mcskirk"? 1681 01:12:33,282 --> 01:12:34,214 - "Mcskirk." 1682 01:12:34,316 --> 01:12:35,549 Which is McCoy, Scotty, and Kirk. 1683 01:12:35,651 --> 01:12:37,050 - Oh-- - 'Cause they're really one guy. 1684 01:12:37,152 --> 01:12:39,052 - I was like, "What did I miss?" 1685 01:12:39,154 --> 01:12:40,387 Mcskirk? - I didn't see that episode. 1686 01:12:40,489 --> 01:12:42,122 - It's a transporter malfunction. 1687 01:12:42,224 --> 01:12:43,824 - You take that-- those three-- 1688 01:12:43,926 --> 01:12:45,726 those three, it's like one guy 1689 01:12:45,828 --> 01:12:47,127 split up three ways. 1690 01:12:47,229 --> 01:12:48,528 You know, ordinarily, if you have one person, 1691 01:12:48,630 --> 01:12:50,030 if you want to know what's going on in their head, 1692 01:12:50,132 --> 01:12:52,299 you gotta have a voice-over or something. 1693 01:12:52,401 --> 01:12:54,868 But with those three guys, split up that way, 1694 01:12:54,970 --> 01:12:56,470 they could have a conversation... 1695 01:12:56,572 --> 01:12:57,771 - Yeah. - And it's really like one guy. 1696 01:12:57,873 --> 01:12:59,740 - I gotta go with Kirk. 1697 01:12:59,842 --> 01:13:01,475 - You gotta go with Kirk. - I mean, the original series. 1698 01:13:01,577 --> 01:13:03,310 You just--the way he just kinda, you know, 1699 01:13:03,412 --> 01:13:04,778 sauntered around. - Yes. 1700 01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:05,879 - You gotta love him. 1701 01:13:10,419 --> 01:13:12,819 - The Shat was the guy I grew up on. 1702 01:13:12,921 --> 01:13:15,122 I admire Picard. 1703 01:13:15,224 --> 01:13:17,457 I love them all equally, but... 1704 01:13:17,559 --> 01:13:20,160 uh...I think there is no substitute 1705 01:13:20,262 --> 01:13:22,129 for Bill Shatner. 1706 01:13:22,231 --> 01:13:25,699 - Shatner's putting on such a great persona 1707 01:13:25,801 --> 01:13:28,168 of a trustworthy captain 1708 01:13:28,270 --> 01:13:30,370 with just enough sense of humor. 1709 01:13:30,472 --> 01:13:33,006 You know? And calm under pressure. 1710 01:13:33,108 --> 01:13:34,775 And good with the ladies. 1711 01:13:34,877 --> 01:13:36,443 Shatner had it all. 1712 01:13:36,545 --> 01:13:39,079 The way he presented that character was just so awesome 1713 01:13:39,181 --> 01:13:41,381 and believable and theatrical at the same time. 1714 01:13:41,483 --> 01:13:43,350 He's not a subtle guy. 1715 01:13:43,452 --> 01:13:45,652 But I just thought it was great. 1716 01:13:45,754 --> 01:13:47,387 He fought-- I think it was, like, 1717 01:13:47,489 --> 01:13:50,123 a Gorgan or whatever. It's where he had-- 1718 01:13:50,225 --> 01:13:52,492 Captain Kirk is stranded in the desert 1719 01:13:52,594 --> 01:13:54,194 and he's got, like, this lizard creature 1720 01:13:54,296 --> 01:13:55,862 he's gotta fight and he's gotta learn 1721 01:13:55,964 --> 01:13:57,597 how to make, like, gunpowder 1722 01:13:57,699 --> 01:13:59,566 and projectiles and stuff like that. 1723 01:13:59,668 --> 01:14:02,102 - Certainly the iconic, classic scene 1724 01:14:02,204 --> 01:14:04,604 in which Spock-- or Kirk 1725 01:14:04,706 --> 01:14:06,573 confronts "God" and says, 1726 01:14:06,675 --> 01:14:08,875 "What does God need with a starship?" 1727 01:14:08,977 --> 01:14:10,377 What other character in the history of cinema 1728 01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:12,779 would come up to God? Not even Charlton Heston 1729 01:14:12,881 --> 01:14:15,682 would say to God, "What do you need with a starship?" 1730 01:14:15,784 --> 01:14:17,050 - Absolutely, without question, 1731 01:14:17,152 --> 01:14:20,187 my favorite captain is James T. Kirk. 1732 01:14:20,289 --> 01:14:23,123 I mean, he just-- Kirk did the right thing. 1733 01:14:23,225 --> 01:14:25,425 He said the right thing. People looked up to him. 1734 01:14:25,527 --> 01:14:28,595 He was a man of action. He was a man of romance. 1735 01:14:28,697 --> 01:14:32,532 And, like, I mean, as performed by William Shatner? 1736 01:14:32,634 --> 01:14:34,468 I mean, there was a reason why as a little kid 1737 01:14:34,570 --> 01:14:36,303 I wanted to be Captain Kirk. 1738 01:14:36,405 --> 01:14:40,340 There's a reason why as an almost 50-year-old grown-up 1739 01:14:40,442 --> 01:14:42,242 that I still watch the original series 1740 01:14:42,344 --> 01:14:44,478 and I still wanna be James T. Kirk. 1741 01:14:44,580 --> 01:14:45,946 He is the best captain. 1742 01:14:48,584 --> 01:14:49,816 - The way he would stare down 1743 01:14:49,918 --> 01:14:52,919 100-foot tall Apollo, and with great... 1744 01:14:53,021 --> 01:14:55,222 sort of indignation: 1745 01:14:55,324 --> 01:14:57,791 "What gives you the right--" you know, 1746 01:14:57,893 --> 01:15:01,862 to a 100-foot tall god... 1747 01:15:01,964 --> 01:15:04,197 he shouted, "What gives you the right?" 1748 01:15:04,299 --> 01:15:06,366 When Apollo just could have... 1749 01:15:06,468 --> 01:15:08,268 done that. 1750 01:15:08,370 --> 01:15:11,571 Yeah, the sort of leadership and the fearlessness 1751 01:15:11,673 --> 01:15:15,208 and also...my first understanding 1752 01:15:15,310 --> 01:15:16,243 of what a... 1753 01:15:16,345 --> 01:15:17,744 you lead by example. - Yeah. 1754 01:15:17,846 --> 01:15:19,246 - The captain's setting, 1755 01:15:19,348 --> 01:15:20,981 the fish stinks from the head down, 1756 01:15:21,083 --> 01:15:23,550 all of those leadership qualities 1757 01:15:23,652 --> 01:15:27,854 that hadn't been shown to me by a family member 1758 01:15:27,956 --> 01:15:29,422 or by anyone at school, a teacher. 1759 01:15:29,525 --> 01:15:34,461 Really, it oddly was that leadership necessary 1760 01:15:34,563 --> 01:15:37,531 as put forth by Captain James Tiberius Kirk. 1761 01:15:37,633 --> 01:15:39,966 - I mean, I love Captain Kirk. However... 1762 01:15:40,068 --> 01:15:42,235 I have... you know, I have to say 1763 01:15:42,337 --> 01:15:44,471 that I think my favorite captain is Picard... 1764 01:15:44,573 --> 01:15:46,239 - Uh-huh. - Because the thing is 1765 01:15:46,341 --> 01:15:48,441 Kirk is really only 1/3rd of a guy. 1766 01:15:48,544 --> 01:15:50,143 - Oh... - He's only 1/3rd of a guy! 1767 01:15:50,245 --> 01:15:52,045 - Interesting. - Picard is a nice, 1768 01:15:52,147 --> 01:15:53,446 well-rounded guy. 1769 01:15:53,549 --> 01:15:55,715 And he doesn't have to punch anybody in the face 1770 01:15:55,817 --> 01:15:57,484 to get his point across, right? 1771 01:15:57,586 --> 01:15:58,752 - But if he has to, he can. - Well, he can, 1772 01:15:58,854 --> 01:16:00,820 but he usually has Riker do it or Worf. 1773 01:16:00,923 --> 01:16:03,056 Yeah, he, uh... 1774 01:16:03,158 --> 01:16:05,025 You know, for me, in a lot of ways, 1775 01:16:05,127 --> 01:16:07,627 "Next Generation" was a... 1776 01:16:07,729 --> 01:16:09,696 "Star Trek" kind of grown up. - Yeah. 1777 01:16:09,798 --> 01:16:11,398 - You know? And that started with Picard. 1778 01:16:11,500 --> 01:16:13,567 - Yeah. My answer's actually Picard too. 1779 01:16:13,669 --> 01:16:15,535 Just because I find him to be-- 1780 01:16:15,637 --> 01:16:17,904 I don't think he's the most realistic of a captain. 1781 01:16:18,006 --> 01:16:19,973 I think that Picard has so few flaws, 1782 01:16:20,075 --> 01:16:21,875 and he only really finally becomes human 1783 01:16:21,977 --> 01:16:24,177 after he's a Borg and then turned into a human. 1784 01:16:24,279 --> 01:16:25,478 You know, he really just starts like-- 1785 01:16:25,581 --> 01:16:27,614 They give him a love story once in a while... 1786 01:16:27,716 --> 01:16:29,082 But it just--I don't know. 1787 01:16:29,184 --> 01:16:31,785 I just love-- I found Picard to be virtuous 1788 01:16:31,887 --> 01:16:34,521 and I found Picard to be like, oh... 1789 01:16:34,623 --> 01:16:38,525 if humans could one day turn into that guy, 1790 01:16:38,627 --> 01:16:40,827 maybe "Star Trek's" plausible. 1791 01:16:40,929 --> 01:16:42,362 But it's not gonna happen. 1792 01:16:42,464 --> 01:16:43,830 - Yeah, he's a great representation 1793 01:16:43,932 --> 01:16:45,398 of kind of Rodenberry's vision. - Yeah, a vision of what 1794 01:16:45,500 --> 01:16:46,666 humanity can be. - A captain needs to be. 1795 01:16:46,768 --> 01:16:48,401 - What a captain is. - Exactly. 1796 01:16:48,503 --> 01:16:49,903 - Yeah. Just putting every-- 1797 01:16:50,005 --> 01:16:51,771 He just--I don't know. I just always... 1798 01:16:51,873 --> 01:16:53,540 And that accent. I mean, you can't really... 1799 01:16:53,642 --> 01:16:55,108 - Well, the accent, yeah. - Top that voice. 1800 01:16:55,210 --> 01:16:58,545 narrator: Coming up, the 50-year legacy of "Star Trek" 1801 01:16:58,647 --> 01:16:59,913 and beyond. 1802 01:17:02,216 --> 01:17:04,150 - The show is about what it is to be human, 1803 01:17:04,252 --> 01:17:06,085 and that never goes out of style. 1804 01:17:06,187 --> 01:17:07,820 And it's the type of stories that they tell 1805 01:17:07,922 --> 01:17:10,156 that you don't generally get in other television shows. 1806 01:17:10,258 --> 01:17:12,124 - Yeah. - The introspective... 1807 01:17:12,226 --> 01:17:14,460 And the basis of it is who are we... 1808 01:17:14,562 --> 01:17:16,028 who are we as human beings? 1809 01:17:16,130 --> 01:17:17,830 - I think it's because 1810 01:17:17,932 --> 01:17:19,932 it's an optimistic view of the future. 1811 01:17:20,034 --> 01:17:21,634 - Hope. - Yeah. It's hope. 1812 01:17:21,736 --> 01:17:23,169 - Yeah. - I think that's exactly 1813 01:17:23,271 --> 01:17:24,870 what it is-- it's an optimistic portrayal 1814 01:17:24,972 --> 01:17:26,939 of what we could hopefully achieve 1815 01:17:27,041 --> 01:17:29,642 and what our society could be like 1816 01:17:29,744 --> 01:17:31,410 and that we finally accept each other 1817 01:17:31,512 --> 01:17:34,180 and we finally learn to look past differences 1818 01:17:34,282 --> 01:17:35,748 and things like that. 1819 01:17:35,850 --> 01:17:37,950 And I think that we so desperately hope 1820 01:17:38,052 --> 01:17:40,052 that we can achieve that. 1821 01:17:40,154 --> 01:17:42,721 - And it evolves, you know, from series to series, 1822 01:17:42,823 --> 01:17:44,190 over the 50 years. 1823 01:17:44,292 --> 01:17:46,292 It may have some core values and ideas 1824 01:17:46,394 --> 01:17:48,093 and the optimism and the hope, 1825 01:17:48,196 --> 01:17:50,229 but it evolves with the times, too. 1826 01:17:50,331 --> 01:17:54,166 So it, you know, it-- hopefully the next reiteration 1827 01:17:54,268 --> 01:17:57,436 will fit our times today much like, you know, 1828 01:17:57,538 --> 01:17:59,471 "The Next Gen" did in the late '80s, early '90s 1829 01:17:59,574 --> 01:18:01,607 or "Deep Space Nine" and "Voyager" in the '90s, 1830 01:18:01,709 --> 01:18:03,976 and, of course, the original series back in the '60s. 1831 01:18:04,078 --> 01:18:05,477 But it's been able to evolve. 1832 01:18:05,580 --> 01:18:07,179 It hasn't been a static kind of franchise. 1833 01:18:07,281 --> 01:18:08,747 - That is what's great about it, for sure. 1834 01:18:11,052 --> 01:18:13,085 - There's that Martin Luther King line... 1835 01:18:13,187 --> 01:18:16,222 "The arc of history bends toward justice." 1836 01:18:16,324 --> 01:18:17,856 I think for fans of this show, 1837 01:18:17,959 --> 01:18:19,992 the arc of history bends towards "Star Trek," 1838 01:18:20,094 --> 01:18:22,428 that we have this hope, this belief, 1839 01:18:22,530 --> 01:18:25,464 that...things are getting better. 1840 01:18:25,566 --> 01:18:27,900 And that, yeah, we're probably not gonna, you know, 1841 01:18:28,002 --> 01:18:30,035 run into guys with pointed ears out there. 1842 01:18:30,137 --> 01:18:33,038 But we will find a way 1843 01:18:33,140 --> 01:18:35,507 to fix our problems 1844 01:18:35,610 --> 01:18:38,143 and move out into the universe 1845 01:18:38,246 --> 01:18:40,346 and believe in, you know, the... 1846 01:18:40,448 --> 01:18:42,815 you know, the better angels of our nature 1847 01:18:42,917 --> 01:18:45,718 and...and make the world a better place. 1848 01:18:45,820 --> 01:18:49,088 - One thing about "Star Trek" that I've said before 1849 01:18:49,190 --> 01:18:50,823 and I really believe it 1850 01:18:50,925 --> 01:18:55,394 is it was the Beatles of 1960s TV. 1851 01:18:55,496 --> 01:18:57,496 And if you had to describe the Beatles, 1852 01:18:57,598 --> 01:18:59,064 you would say it's magic. 1853 01:18:59,166 --> 01:19:01,200 And take any one of them out of that band, 1854 01:19:01,302 --> 01:19:03,068 and it's not the Beatles. 1855 01:19:03,170 --> 01:19:05,337 Well, "Star Trek's" the same way 1856 01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:06,705 from the same period. 1857 01:19:06,807 --> 01:19:08,974 I mean, take William Shatner out. 1858 01:19:09,076 --> 01:19:10,476 Take Leonard Nimoy out. 1859 01:19:10,578 --> 01:19:12,878 Take Rodenberry or Coon or Fontana out 1860 01:19:12,980 --> 01:19:15,547 or Deforest Kelley, and you don't have it. 1861 01:19:15,650 --> 01:19:17,182 It's still gonna be good, 1862 01:19:17,285 --> 01:19:19,551 but it's not gonna be what it is, 1863 01:19:19,654 --> 01:19:22,721 and we wouldn't have what we have now 15 years later. 1864 01:19:22,823 --> 01:19:25,190 - I think there's a lot of reasons why it endures so long. 1865 01:19:25,293 --> 01:19:28,093 You know, I think, um... 1866 01:19:28,195 --> 01:19:29,628 I think the biggest thing to me, 1867 01:19:29,730 --> 01:19:31,764 in terms of its longevity and success, 1868 01:19:31,866 --> 01:19:36,135 is that it is unique in that its portrayal of the future, 1869 01:19:36,237 --> 01:19:38,671 the optimistic portrayal of the future, 1870 01:19:38,773 --> 01:19:41,073 does kind of stand alone in pop culture. 1871 01:19:41,175 --> 01:19:43,008 The vast majority of science fiction pieces 1872 01:19:43,110 --> 01:19:44,677 that take place in the future, you know, 1873 01:19:44,779 --> 01:19:47,646 show us a dystopian future, a terrible future. 1874 01:19:47,748 --> 01:19:50,516 Here's the only real science fiction construct 1875 01:19:50,618 --> 01:19:52,484 that I wanna go live in, you know, 1876 01:19:52,586 --> 01:19:53,919 that I want to be part of. 1877 01:19:54,021 --> 01:19:57,156 I want to join that crew. I want to live that life. 1878 01:19:57,258 --> 01:19:59,758 I want to have those adventures with those people. 1879 01:19:59,860 --> 01:20:03,495 - "Star Trek" has something to say about who we are as people, 1880 01:20:03,597 --> 01:20:05,664 who we aspire to be, 1881 01:20:05,766 --> 01:20:09,268 and it says that we will endure. 1882 01:20:09,370 --> 01:20:11,303 We will overcome all obstacles. 1883 01:20:11,405 --> 01:20:13,339 - I think "Star Trek" will be around 1884 01:20:13,441 --> 01:20:15,341 for a long, long time 1885 01:20:15,443 --> 01:20:18,077 because it's a unique piece of science fiction 1886 01:20:18,179 --> 01:20:20,913 in that it's optimistic. 1887 01:20:21,015 --> 01:20:22,181 "Star Trek" is optimistic. 1888 01:20:22,283 --> 01:20:24,183 It holds out the hope 1889 01:20:24,285 --> 01:20:27,686 not that humans are gonna be somehow perfect in the future 1890 01:20:27,788 --> 01:20:29,188 but things can get better. 1891 01:20:29,290 --> 01:20:30,889 - I think "Star Trek" succeeded 1892 01:20:30,991 --> 01:20:33,859 because a number of elements fell into place. 1893 01:20:33,961 --> 01:20:36,962 They had a great overall story. 1894 01:20:37,064 --> 01:20:41,567 They're modern-day pioneers where no man has gone before. 1895 01:20:41,669 --> 01:20:43,535 So it could be the Wild West. 1896 01:20:43,637 --> 01:20:47,139 It's the Wild West in space, really, led by a great captain 1897 01:20:47,241 --> 01:20:49,007 and an incredible team. 1898 01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:51,877 - And I think it's gone on for 50 years so far 1899 01:20:51,979 --> 01:20:55,981 because it is a show about human interest 1900 01:20:56,083 --> 01:20:59,451 and adventure and how far we will go 1901 01:20:59,553 --> 01:21:03,188 to try to learn more and to expand our own worlds 1902 01:21:03,290 --> 01:21:04,556 and our own minds. 1903 01:21:04,658 --> 01:21:06,492 And I think that's something that resonates 1904 01:21:06,594 --> 01:21:08,026 with people 50 years ago, 1905 01:21:08,129 --> 01:21:10,696 and it'll resonate with people 50 years from now. 1906 01:21:10,798 --> 01:21:15,067 - And now, of course, J.J. has taken it to a whole other place. 1907 01:21:15,169 --> 01:21:17,136 - Why "Star Trek" is still relevant 1908 01:21:17,238 --> 01:21:20,406 is because of the paradigm that Gene Rodenberry came up with, 1909 01:21:20,508 --> 01:21:23,008 the idea of unity, of humanity-- 1910 01:21:23,110 --> 01:21:26,345 and other species, actually-- working together. 1911 01:21:26,447 --> 01:21:28,080 There's an optimism to it 1912 01:21:28,182 --> 01:21:30,482 that I think we've never needed more than now. 1913 01:21:30,584 --> 01:21:32,918 - Well, it starts with the characters, you know. 1914 01:21:33,020 --> 01:21:34,420 I love the ensemble. 1915 01:21:34,522 --> 01:21:35,888 I love the idea that, you know, 1916 01:21:35,990 --> 01:21:37,289 this group of people came together 1917 01:21:37,391 --> 01:21:40,159 and through the shared journey, they become a family. 1918 01:21:40,261 --> 01:21:42,428 The sense of family that goes beyond blood. 1919 01:21:42,530 --> 01:21:45,364 And I also love every night there's a sense of discovery 1920 01:21:45,466 --> 01:21:46,965 and exploration, you know, 1921 01:21:47,067 --> 01:21:49,435 and that, to me, is the DNA of "Star Trek." 1922 01:21:49,537 --> 01:21:51,770 - You know, I think "Star Trek's" enduring appeal 1923 01:21:51,872 --> 01:21:54,840 is really because it presents a vision of humanity 1924 01:21:54,942 --> 01:21:57,810 that is united and, particularly in this day and age, 1925 01:21:57,912 --> 01:22:00,412 it's wonderful to have kind of a beacon of morality 1926 01:22:00,514 --> 01:22:03,882 to see that, you know, maybe the dystopian future 1927 01:22:03,984 --> 01:22:06,585 that you see in a lot of movies like the "Mad Max" movies 1928 01:22:06,687 --> 01:22:09,321 and the "Blade Runner" movies is not gonna be our future. 1929 01:22:09,423 --> 01:22:10,889 - Collectivism versus separatism, 1930 01:22:10,991 --> 01:22:13,325 which is a big thing in today's society, you know. 1931 01:22:13,427 --> 01:22:15,461 About how we're better together. 1932 01:22:15,563 --> 01:22:17,596 And that was something that we felt obligated to do. 1933 01:22:17,698 --> 01:22:18,931 This is "Star Trek." 1934 01:22:19,033 --> 01:22:20,833 "Star Trek" has always spoken about who we are now. 1935 01:22:20,935 --> 01:22:23,602 - And now it's, I guess, coming back on another network. 1936 01:22:23,704 --> 01:22:26,271 You know I'ma try to get on there, you know, just to see. 1937 01:22:26,373 --> 01:22:30,442 Because I try--You know, Guinan is everywhere all the time. 1938 01:22:30,544 --> 01:22:33,445 - A majority of the "Star Trek" fans that I've met 1939 01:22:33,547 --> 01:22:35,080 are proactive 1940 01:22:35,182 --> 01:22:38,584 in making that vision of a better future a reality. 1941 01:22:38,686 --> 01:22:41,854 - The "Star Trek" fans are the most unique people 1942 01:22:41,956 --> 01:22:43,455 you've ever met. 1943 01:22:43,557 --> 01:22:46,024 They know your character. 1944 01:22:46,126 --> 01:22:49,895 They know every episode and what it meant 1945 01:22:49,997 --> 01:22:51,864 and how it affected them. 1946 01:22:51,966 --> 01:22:53,765 - If I were given the choice 1947 01:22:53,868 --> 01:22:57,336 of any character ever portrayed on television-- 1948 01:22:57,438 --> 01:22:58,737 that I could play any character I wanted-- 1949 01:22:58,839 --> 01:23:00,339 I would choose Spock. 1950 01:23:00,441 --> 01:23:02,608 - Well, people identified with us. 1951 01:23:02,710 --> 01:23:05,844 They identified with "Star Trek," 1952 01:23:05,946 --> 01:23:08,814 they identified with the characters. 1953 01:23:08,916 --> 01:23:11,316 They were dressing in their own uniforms 1954 01:23:11,418 --> 01:23:12,885 and their own costumes. 1955 01:23:12,987 --> 01:23:15,754 - It resonated with that group of people 1956 01:23:15,856 --> 01:23:17,723 that were kids, you know, 1957 01:23:17,825 --> 01:23:20,058 and now they're young adults. 1958 01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:22,127 - "Star Trek" created an umbrella 1959 01:23:22,229 --> 01:23:24,796 for everybody else. 1960 01:23:24,899 --> 01:23:28,200 And then once we got in under the shade, 1961 01:23:28,302 --> 01:23:31,069 we then said, "Oh, come. Come and join us." 1962 01:23:31,171 --> 01:23:33,972 That's what "Star Trek" did. 1963 01:23:34,074 --> 01:23:37,142 And that tent will continue to grow. 1964 01:23:37,244 --> 01:23:38,944 - And it's now 30 years later for our show, 1965 01:23:39,046 --> 01:23:40,345 when I'm talking to you, 1966 01:23:40,447 --> 01:23:44,016 50 years for the original show, and, I mean, 1967 01:23:44,118 --> 01:23:47,185 it goes in waves, but people are still 1968 01:23:47,288 --> 01:23:49,821 attached to, committed to, 1969 01:23:49,924 --> 01:23:52,591 affected by, interested in 1970 01:23:52,693 --> 01:23:54,726 this thing that Gene invented, 1971 01:23:54,828 --> 01:23:56,778 and I was blessed enough to be part of. 164504

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