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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,612 --> 00:00:07,702 Watching this scene from "The Wolf of Wall Street," 2 00:00:07,703 --> 00:00:09,444 it's kind of disturbing. 3 00:00:09,531 --> 00:00:11,315 Turn around! Let's go the other fucking way! 4 00:00:11,446 --> 00:00:12,882 We can't! 5 00:00:12,969 --> 00:00:16,799 This is pretty accurate of how desperate it was. 6 00:00:16,886 --> 00:00:19,106 Walk me through the story, the true story 7 00:00:19,236 --> 00:00:21,456 of the sinking of the "Nadine." 8 00:00:21,543 --> 00:00:25,721 The true part is, is that I actually lived it. 9 00:00:25,808 --> 00:00:29,029 Jordan said, listen, we're taking the yacht to Sardinia. 10 00:00:29,116 --> 00:00:31,118 I think there were 19 of us on board. 11 00:00:32,554 --> 00:00:35,165 And Captain Mark says to Jordan, 12 00:00:35,252 --> 00:00:37,124 there's a storm in the Mediterranean. 13 00:00:37,211 --> 00:00:39,909 My advice would be stay in Rome. 14 00:00:39,996 --> 00:00:42,520 Jordan's like, no fucking way. 15 00:00:42,607 --> 00:00:46,220 We get on the boat against Mark's wishes. 16 00:00:46,307 --> 00:00:48,613 Probably two or three hours into the trip, 17 00:00:48,744 --> 00:00:50,485 people are getting sick. 18 00:00:50,572 --> 00:00:53,314 Dishes are starting to move around. 19 00:00:53,401 --> 00:00:55,577 Things are getting worse. 20 00:00:55,664 --> 00:00:58,493 I'm starting to feel the boat shake a little bit. 21 00:00:58,623 --> 00:01:03,628 And then, out of nowhere, I'm splashed, covered in water. 22 00:01:03,759 --> 00:01:05,848 We're hitting 30, 40 foot seas. 23 00:01:05,935 --> 00:01:08,633 I think everyone was pretty nervous. 24 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,548 What does Jordan say to me? 25 00:01:10,635 --> 00:01:12,115 Rob, you got the 'ludes? 26 00:01:12,202 --> 00:01:13,638 I'm like, no, I thought you had them. 27 00:01:13,725 --> 00:01:15,423 Get those fucking 'ludes! 28 00:01:15,553 --> 00:01:18,252 Rob, go get them. 29 00:01:18,339 --> 00:01:19,209 The whole boat was full of water, 30 00:01:19,340 --> 00:01:20,689 but it was still floating. 31 00:01:20,776 --> 00:01:22,778 There was electricity in the water. 32 00:01:22,865 --> 00:01:27,217 I was getting shocked the whole time, but I got them. 33 00:01:27,304 --> 00:01:29,480 And then, just like in the movie... 34 00:01:29,567 --> 00:01:31,265 Jesus Christ! 35 00:01:31,395 --> 00:01:34,442 We were hit by the perfect storm wave. 36 00:01:34,572 --> 00:01:37,532 And it crashed over the yacht. 37 00:01:37,619 --> 00:01:39,621 We're all screaming and freaking out. 38 00:01:39,708 --> 00:01:40,839 We're gonna die. We're gonna die. 39 00:01:46,845 --> 00:01:49,282 It just brings it back again, you know? 40 00:01:49,283 --> 00:01:52,112 You never forget something like this. 41 00:01:52,199 --> 00:01:55,245 This is a life or death situation. 42 00:01:55,332 --> 00:01:58,074 Just like the movie shows, we got into a squall. 43 00:01:58,205 --> 00:02:00,120 And the waves, I don't even know how big they were, 44 00:02:00,207 --> 00:02:02,557 but they were crashing over the boat. 45 00:02:02,644 --> 00:02:05,951 And I definitely thought I was dying. 46 00:02:06,038 --> 00:02:10,695 So the helicopter finally arrives over the yacht. 47 00:02:10,782 --> 00:02:12,218 So like, oh, my God. 48 00:02:12,219 --> 00:02:13,263 Thank God, we're gonna be saved. 49 00:02:13,394 --> 00:02:14,308 I call my parents. 50 00:02:14,395 --> 00:02:15,222 They say, we saw it on the news. 51 00:02:17,528 --> 00:02:20,966 You know, Americans rescued by Italian Navy. 52 00:02:21,053 --> 00:02:24,796 That whole 18 hours changed my life drastically. 53 00:02:24,883 --> 00:02:26,189 I do have PTSD from it. 54 00:02:29,236 --> 00:02:32,282 But for Jordan, he loved extreme life. 55 00:02:32,369 --> 00:02:35,590 He loved taking things to extreme limits. 56 00:02:35,677 --> 00:02:38,027 After that yacht sank, the Associated Press 57 00:02:38,158 --> 00:02:40,464 were all getting videos of us. 58 00:02:40,551 --> 00:02:42,335 He ate his 'ludes. 59 00:02:42,336 --> 00:02:44,294 He was hanging out with the captain. 60 00:02:44,425 --> 00:02:49,299 He didn't look at it as we could have died. 61 00:02:49,386 --> 00:02:51,171 I wanted to fucking kill him. 62 00:03:04,488 --> 00:03:06,750 I was cleaning myself. You know how it is. 63 00:03:06,751 --> 00:03:09,319 This is Jordan on a chartered yacht. 64 00:03:09,406 --> 00:03:11,713 And he just came out of the ocean. 65 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,368 And I said to him, hey, Jordan, 66 00:03:14,455 --> 00:03:17,762 is it cool to take a shower 67 00:03:17,893 --> 00:03:19,677 in front of the American flag naked? 68 00:03:24,552 --> 00:03:26,031 And his response to me was... 69 00:03:27,990 --> 00:03:29,513 It's the American way. 70 00:03:29,644 --> 00:03:31,211 And to me, that was like basically saying 71 00:03:31,298 --> 00:03:34,126 to the government, fuck you. 72 00:03:34,214 --> 00:03:36,781 So now we're in the mid-90s, and Jordan is barred 73 00:03:36,912 --> 00:03:38,261 from the securities industry. 74 00:03:41,264 --> 00:03:43,092 Thanks to his sweetheart exit agreement, 75 00:03:43,179 --> 00:03:46,617 Stratton is paying him $1 million a month. 76 00:03:46,748 --> 00:03:51,579 Meanwhile, he seems to still be heavily involved in these IPOs 77 00:03:51,666 --> 00:03:56,017 that Stratton and its sister firms are taking public. 78 00:03:56,018 --> 00:04:00,327 We were in love and there was a lot of great moments. 79 00:04:00,414 --> 00:04:03,373 So many great moments with friends coming over, 80 00:04:03,504 --> 00:04:05,984 so many great trips. 81 00:04:06,071 --> 00:04:07,682 And of course, babies come and they're 82 00:04:07,769 --> 00:04:09,249 so adorable and beautiful. 83 00:04:14,210 --> 00:04:16,473 But along the way, you know, he's just 84 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,433 dominating and doing drugs. 85 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,522 He's the father. 86 00:04:21,609 --> 00:04:24,699 Then the drug addiction just gets, you know, like-- 87 00:04:24,786 --> 00:04:25,830 like the way it is. 88 00:04:25,917 --> 00:04:27,571 It's a progressive disease. - Right. 89 00:04:27,658 --> 00:04:30,618 Right, either you stop or it gets worse. 90 00:04:30,748 --> 00:04:32,707 Don't get me wrong. Did he have a drug problem? 91 00:04:32,794 --> 00:04:34,926 Absolutely. 92 00:04:35,013 --> 00:04:36,798 But that came because he didn't know what to do with himself. 93 00:04:36,928 --> 00:04:39,235 Him losing Stratton Oakmont was losing 94 00:04:39,322 --> 00:04:41,498 the ultimate drug for him. 95 00:04:41,585 --> 00:04:44,022 That was who he was. 96 00:04:44,153 --> 00:04:46,721 I was a little bit worried, actually. 97 00:04:46,808 --> 00:04:50,290 Jordan started to maybe act a little bit strange, 98 00:04:50,377 --> 00:04:51,943 maybe a little more short-fused, 99 00:04:52,074 --> 00:04:56,121 a little more jumpy. 100 00:04:56,208 --> 00:04:59,473 Easy to get on his bad side. 101 00:05:01,997 --> 00:05:05,522 I think that's when he started changing a little bit, 102 00:05:05,609 --> 00:05:08,220 preparing for the inevitable. 103 00:05:10,614 --> 00:05:12,833 My name is Gary Carlton. 104 00:05:12,834 --> 00:05:16,533 In the 1990s, I worked for NASD, 105 00:05:16,620 --> 00:05:19,754 the National Association of Securities Dealers. 106 00:05:19,841 --> 00:05:24,671 NASD had been in contact with other regulators. 107 00:05:24,672 --> 00:05:26,195 We were looking for patterns. 108 00:05:30,025 --> 00:05:33,463 We found that there was a smaller case 109 00:05:33,594 --> 00:05:36,640 involving one of the initial public offerings. 110 00:05:36,771 --> 00:05:41,428 The offering was Master Glazier. 111 00:05:41,515 --> 00:05:44,865 Master Glazier was a karate studio. 112 00:05:44,866 --> 00:05:47,564 I don't understand why that would become public. 113 00:05:47,695 --> 00:05:51,046 But I can tell you they did have at least one location, 114 00:05:51,176 --> 00:05:53,222 maybe they had more. 115 00:05:53,309 --> 00:05:55,311 It wasn't like a Starbucks. 116 00:05:55,442 --> 00:06:00,664 But Stratton Oakmont took Master Glaziers public. 117 00:06:00,751 --> 00:06:02,536 We looked at the initial public offering 118 00:06:02,623 --> 00:06:05,887 for Master Glazier, and we noticed that 119 00:06:06,017 --> 00:06:08,629 there were significant markups. 120 00:06:11,501 --> 00:06:15,113 A markup is the price that a brokerage firm 121 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,029 is going to earn when they execute a trade 122 00:06:18,116 --> 00:06:20,770 on a stock that they already own. 123 00:06:20,771 --> 00:06:26,777 Anything over 10% of a markup is considered fraudulent. 124 00:06:26,864 --> 00:06:31,346 Some of the securities were marked up as high as 33%. 125 00:06:31,347 --> 00:06:34,394 Stratton was selling the Master Glazier stock 126 00:06:34,524 --> 00:06:39,181 to investors that exceeded the legal limits. 127 00:06:39,311 --> 00:06:43,490 Master Glazier's Karate was the one that 128 00:06:43,577 --> 00:06:46,493 kind of tipped off the authorities. 129 00:06:46,580 --> 00:06:49,670 And that was the beginning of the end. 130 00:06:49,757 --> 00:06:51,628 At that point, we thought the only way 131 00:06:51,715 --> 00:06:54,196 to resolve the question of Stratton Oakmont 132 00:06:54,283 --> 00:06:57,634 was to have them expelled. 133 00:06:57,721 --> 00:07:00,115 So you essentially shut down Stratton Oakmont? 134 00:07:00,245 --> 00:07:01,812 Yes, absolutely. 135 00:07:08,602 --> 00:07:12,606 When Stratton Oakmont shut down, there was no raid. 136 00:07:12,693 --> 00:07:14,521 There were no explosions. 137 00:07:14,608 --> 00:07:17,654 There were no guns and horses or anything like that. 138 00:07:17,741 --> 00:07:20,570 I called one of the partners on the bat line, 139 00:07:20,657 --> 00:07:23,094 of course, because it wasn't taped. 140 00:07:23,181 --> 00:07:26,315 Ah, it's bullshit, it's bullshit, it's bullshit. 141 00:07:29,405 --> 00:07:32,539 The bat line rang ten seconds later and said-- 142 00:07:32,669 --> 00:07:34,018 It's not bullshit. 143 00:07:34,105 --> 00:07:36,891 We're done. 144 00:07:36,978 --> 00:07:38,327 NASDAQ shut us down. 145 00:07:38,414 --> 00:07:39,546 We were just taken off the NASD. 146 00:07:39,633 --> 00:07:41,199 We're done. 147 00:07:41,330 --> 00:07:44,507 ♪ Hey, won't you be ♪ 148 00:07:44,594 --> 00:07:47,423 ♪ My one and only ♪ 149 00:07:47,554 --> 00:07:50,470 Five or ten minutes later, one of the partners 150 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,733 walked out of his office with a bat 151 00:07:52,820 --> 00:07:58,129 and smashed every single fax machine in the office... 152 00:08:00,697 --> 00:08:05,006 So that no investor could fax over a sell ticket. 153 00:08:07,530 --> 00:08:11,316 Everybody scattered like roaches. 154 00:08:11,403 --> 00:08:12,796 The income stopped. 155 00:08:12,927 --> 00:08:14,581 The camaraderie stopped. 156 00:08:14,711 --> 00:08:17,626 Everything came to a screeching halt. 157 00:08:17,627 --> 00:08:20,543 It was the end of an era. 158 00:08:22,327 --> 00:08:25,853 After Stratton Oakmont was shut down, 159 00:08:25,983 --> 00:08:28,116 Jordan was still involved in IPOs 160 00:08:28,203 --> 00:08:30,031 through Biltmore and Monroe Parker. 161 00:08:30,118 --> 00:08:33,164 And since he couldn't legally work in this industry, 162 00:08:33,251 --> 00:08:36,472 a lot of his payment came under the table in cash. 163 00:08:39,606 --> 00:08:43,523 The only thing I knew is that he had a lot of cash. 164 00:08:43,610 --> 00:08:44,785 And I mean a lot. 165 00:08:44,872 --> 00:08:49,180 He had $3 million in his bedroom in cash. 166 00:08:49,267 --> 00:08:51,835 And I remember walking in the front door of the house. 167 00:08:51,922 --> 00:08:54,229 And Jordan had a shopping bag, and he goes, 168 00:08:54,359 --> 00:08:55,839 hey, I got a present for you. 169 00:08:55,926 --> 00:08:58,276 And he holds his shopping bag over the banister 170 00:08:58,407 --> 00:08:59,669 and he drops it to me. 171 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,150 And it hits the floor, and I look in, 172 00:09:02,237 --> 00:09:06,023 and there's $1 million in cash in the shopping bag. 173 00:09:06,110 --> 00:09:07,851 If he would have taken the millions of dollars 174 00:09:07,938 --> 00:09:09,723 that he had at that point and just 175 00:09:09,810 --> 00:09:11,768 lived his life happily ever after, 176 00:09:11,899 --> 00:09:13,683 he would be living his life a millionaire. 177 00:09:17,861 --> 00:09:21,473 But he is the epitome of the word greed. 178 00:09:27,479 --> 00:09:29,264 Can you pick up the book under your chair 179 00:09:29,351 --> 00:09:32,571 and read the first paragraph? 180 00:09:32,572 --> 00:09:36,488 "Catching the Wolf of Wall Street" by Jordan Belfort. 181 00:09:36,576 --> 00:09:39,622 "Joel Cohen, the disheveled Assistant United States 182 00:09:39,753 --> 00:09:41,885 "Attorney for the Eastern District of New York 183 00:09:41,972 --> 00:09:44,366 was a world class bastard with a degenerate slouch." 184 00:09:46,324 --> 00:09:49,632 First of all, I don't think I'm a degenerate slouch. 185 00:09:49,719 --> 00:09:51,025 Am I slouching degenerately? 186 00:09:51,112 --> 00:09:52,635 Am I okay? Okay. 187 00:09:52,722 --> 00:09:54,158 Common slate. 188 00:09:54,289 --> 00:09:57,771 My name is Joel Cohen, and I was the prosecutor 189 00:09:57,858 --> 00:10:00,730 in the Eastern District of New York. 190 00:10:00,861 --> 00:10:03,732 So in 1997, I was doing a whole range 191 00:10:03,733 --> 00:10:06,649 of white collar investigations. 192 00:10:06,736 --> 00:10:08,346 Senior people in the office said 193 00:10:08,433 --> 00:10:09,913 there's a Stratton Oakmont investigation 194 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,132 you probably know about. 195 00:10:11,219 --> 00:10:12,654 It's been going on for a couple of years. 196 00:10:12,655 --> 00:10:15,005 Would you be interested in taking this on? 197 00:10:15,136 --> 00:10:19,140 Once NASD orders Stratton Oakmont to be shut down, 198 00:10:19,227 --> 00:10:22,186 the question becomes, will anyone be held accountable 199 00:10:22,317 --> 00:10:28,976 for the stock fraud, the manipulation that took place, 200 00:10:29,063 --> 00:10:30,804 you know, over the years? 201 00:10:30,891 --> 00:10:33,457 And then I met with the FBI agent, Greg Coleman, 202 00:10:33,458 --> 00:10:34,982 who had been leading it. 203 00:10:35,112 --> 00:10:40,029 In early 1997, I've picked up numerous brokers 204 00:10:40,030 --> 00:10:42,859 and other people, but now I'm finally focusing 205 00:10:42,946 --> 00:10:45,557 on the top two main guys, 206 00:10:45,645 --> 00:10:48,996 Jordan Belfort and Daniel Porush. 207 00:10:49,083 --> 00:10:50,911 We began to gather evidence that there was 208 00:10:50,998 --> 00:10:53,870 money moving into Switzerland. 209 00:10:54,001 --> 00:10:57,221 Back then, Switzerland was a famed and easy place 210 00:10:57,308 --> 00:11:00,398 to hide money, and that's what people did there. 211 00:11:00,485 --> 00:11:02,618 Jordan Belfort had so much cash 212 00:11:02,705 --> 00:11:05,665 that came to him in the form of kickbacks 213 00:11:05,752 --> 00:11:08,711 from his manipulated deals that 214 00:11:08,798 --> 00:11:11,671 there was too much money to spend. 215 00:11:11,801 --> 00:11:13,846 He really ran into the same problem 216 00:11:13,847 --> 00:11:16,676 that sort of drug cartels have. 217 00:11:16,806 --> 00:11:19,374 They conduct business, which is done in cash, 218 00:11:19,461 --> 00:11:21,985 but they need to get rid of it at some point. 219 00:11:22,072 --> 00:11:25,684 They need to get it into the system. 220 00:11:25,685 --> 00:11:28,949 So the first step he has to do is get it to Switzerland. 221 00:11:29,036 --> 00:11:32,996 He brings in a guy by the name of Todd Garrett. 222 00:11:33,083 --> 00:11:35,607 How accurate was the portrayal 223 00:11:35,695 --> 00:11:37,392 of Todd Garrett in the film? 224 00:11:37,479 --> 00:11:39,394 Bring some of them chicks around here sometime, Ma. 225 00:11:39,524 --> 00:11:41,483 Let 'em watch. 226 00:11:41,613 --> 00:11:43,877 It was incomplete. 227 00:11:43,964 --> 00:11:45,400 Todd Garrett was an interesting character. 228 00:11:45,530 --> 00:11:48,750 Todd was a Bayside boy. 229 00:11:48,751 --> 00:11:50,884 Jordan knew him from the neighborhood. 230 00:11:50,971 --> 00:11:53,451 Good guy, fun guy. 231 00:11:53,538 --> 00:11:55,192 One of the nicest people, 232 00:11:55,279 --> 00:11:56,803 give you the shirt off his back, 233 00:11:56,890 --> 00:12:00,067 but one of the toughest guys you've ever met. 234 00:12:00,197 --> 00:12:03,286 Todd Garrett is brought in because of certain, 235 00:12:03,287 --> 00:12:05,333 let's say, skills that he has. 236 00:12:05,420 --> 00:12:07,988 He was a drug dealer. 237 00:12:08,118 --> 00:12:09,772 He's the guy that's been selling Quaaludes 238 00:12:09,859 --> 00:12:12,209 to the brokers at Stratton Oakmont. 239 00:12:12,296 --> 00:12:17,084 He's married to a woman who's a Swiss citizen. 240 00:12:17,171 --> 00:12:21,392 So Belfort and Porush bring in Todd and his wife 241 00:12:21,479 --> 00:12:23,438 to be their couriers. 242 00:12:23,525 --> 00:12:26,441 Now, at this point, I know nothing about any of this, 243 00:12:26,528 --> 00:12:31,881 but it's what happens next that leads to me being tipped off. 244 00:12:31,968 --> 00:12:34,318 In the movie, there was a transfer of money 245 00:12:34,449 --> 00:12:36,538 from Danny Porush to Todd Garrett. 246 00:12:36,625 --> 00:12:39,759 This is where funds are passed from 247 00:12:39,889 --> 00:12:41,978 Jonah Hill, which is supposed to be Danny Porush, 248 00:12:42,065 --> 00:12:43,893 transferring money to Todd Garrett. 249 00:12:43,980 --> 00:12:46,069 I need you to shove it right up your wife's Latvian cunt, 250 00:12:46,156 --> 00:12:48,115 you understand? - Oh, my fucking wife? 251 00:12:48,245 --> 00:12:49,551 Chill! 252 00:12:50,900 --> 00:12:53,468 That isn't even close to accurate. 253 00:12:55,818 --> 00:12:58,168 So Danny Porush drives 254 00:12:58,299 --> 00:13:01,128 to Bay Terrace Shopping Center in Queens. 255 00:13:01,215 --> 00:13:05,262 And as his fancy car pulls into the shopping center, 256 00:13:05,349 --> 00:13:07,787 it catches the guard's attention. 257 00:13:07,874 --> 00:13:13,008 So they actually turn the cameras on the car. 258 00:13:13,009 --> 00:13:15,577 What happens next is, Todd Garrett 259 00:13:15,664 --> 00:13:19,146 pulls into the shopping center and he parks. 260 00:13:19,233 --> 00:13:22,497 Now, the way Todd Garrett is dressed at this point, 261 00:13:22,584 --> 00:13:26,631 he looks like either a ninja or a drug dealer. 262 00:13:26,762 --> 00:13:28,982 He's dressed in all black, 263 00:13:29,112 --> 00:13:30,592 and he comes through the parking lot 264 00:13:30,722 --> 00:13:32,376 and he meets a guy who looks like 265 00:13:32,507 --> 00:13:34,944 some kind of businessman driving another fancy car. 266 00:13:35,031 --> 00:13:38,643 So all of these things were incredibly strange. 267 00:13:38,774 --> 00:13:41,951 The guards called 911, saying, 268 00:13:42,082 --> 00:13:45,433 we believe we've seen a drug deal go down. 269 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,348 So the police find the car. 270 00:13:47,435 --> 00:13:51,221 At gunpoint, they pull the driver out of the car. 271 00:13:51,308 --> 00:13:53,267 They see a briefcase on the seat. 272 00:13:53,354 --> 00:13:59,011 They open it up and inside is $200,000 in cash. 273 00:13:59,012 --> 00:14:00,969 The police question him. 274 00:14:00,970 --> 00:14:03,799 Is this your money? Yes, it is. 275 00:14:03,886 --> 00:14:06,149 And he says, well, I have a friend who's a broker, 276 00:14:06,236 --> 00:14:11,024 and he just loaned it to me for a heart transplant. 277 00:14:11,111 --> 00:14:12,851 Now, the police can't believe the answer 278 00:14:12,852 --> 00:14:14,549 that they've just gotten. A heart transplant? 279 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:15,855 And he says, no, really. 280 00:14:15,942 --> 00:14:17,682 And he lifts up his shirt, 281 00:14:17,769 --> 00:14:19,771 and he shows them a scar on his chest, 282 00:14:19,859 --> 00:14:22,687 and he says that he's on the donor list for a new heart. 283 00:14:22,774 --> 00:14:25,777 Well, the police aren't really sure what to do next. 284 00:14:25,908 --> 00:14:28,345 So ultimately, they arrest him, 285 00:14:28,432 --> 00:14:31,783 and they run him through the FBI's computers. 286 00:14:31,871 --> 00:14:33,742 That's what leads to me, 287 00:14:33,829 --> 00:14:37,615 because they were subjects of my investigation. 288 00:14:37,702 --> 00:14:39,879 And we realized that probably was money 289 00:14:40,009 --> 00:14:42,533 that was destined for Switzerland. 290 00:14:42,620 --> 00:14:44,448 It was a white collar money laundering, 291 00:14:44,535 --> 00:14:46,624 is essentially what was happening. 292 00:14:46,711 --> 00:14:49,149 And it had been caught on videotape. 293 00:14:51,891 --> 00:14:53,631 I had $1 million in cash. 294 00:14:53,718 --> 00:14:58,810 And I really thought that would last me the rest of my life. 295 00:14:58,898 --> 00:15:01,378 That was just an inexhaustible amount of cash. 296 00:15:01,465 --> 00:15:04,425 Certainly to look at, it was endless. 297 00:15:04,512 --> 00:15:08,516 But my monthly overhead was $30,000, 298 00:15:08,603 --> 00:15:14,957 maybe $40,000 just to pay my rent, 299 00:15:15,088 --> 00:15:19,222 parents' mortgage, the cars, the insurance. 300 00:15:19,309 --> 00:15:22,965 My average day, I took 15 Quaaludes. 301 00:15:23,052 --> 00:15:26,142 They were $30 a pill. 302 00:15:26,273 --> 00:15:32,496 That turns out to be a $13,000 a month cash Quaalude habit. 303 00:15:32,583 --> 00:15:37,414 I turned around and the last bit of cash was gone. 304 00:15:37,501 --> 00:15:40,635 Gone. Zero. 305 00:15:40,722 --> 00:15:43,419 I, at this point, was so addicted 306 00:15:43,420 --> 00:15:47,120 that there was no such thing as getting a job. 307 00:15:47,207 --> 00:15:51,776 And I remember explaining to one of the 12 therapists 308 00:15:51,907 --> 00:15:55,215 that I had had over those years the feeling. 309 00:15:55,302 --> 00:15:58,435 And I said, could you imagine you're Michael Jordan, 310 00:15:58,522 --> 00:16:01,742 and all of the sudden you get a phone call one morning 311 00:16:01,743 --> 00:16:02,918 and they say, hey, good morning, Mike. 312 00:16:03,049 --> 00:16:05,094 You can't play basketball anymore. 313 00:16:05,225 --> 00:16:07,836 Have a nice day. Click. 314 00:16:07,923 --> 00:16:09,664 That's what it was like. 315 00:16:09,751 --> 00:16:11,317 This is all I knew. 316 00:16:11,318 --> 00:16:13,494 What am I gonna do? 317 00:16:16,584 --> 00:16:20,892 Jordan always felt that he was pretty much indestructible. 318 00:16:24,809 --> 00:16:28,248 He took Quaaludes quite a bit. 319 00:16:28,335 --> 00:16:31,468 He drove wasted plenty of times. 320 00:16:31,555 --> 00:16:32,904 He also flew a helicopter a few times with me 321 00:16:33,035 --> 00:16:34,950 in it--'luded, 322 00:16:35,037 --> 00:16:36,473 which is amazing that we're still alive. 323 00:16:40,521 --> 00:16:43,524 But he was not a happy person. 324 00:16:43,611 --> 00:16:47,223 And what he did in return was took to drugs. 325 00:16:49,008 --> 00:16:52,924 So we are at the infamous Brookville Country Club. 326 00:16:53,012 --> 00:16:54,578 Jordan never spoke from his home phone 327 00:16:54,665 --> 00:16:58,408 because he felt it was tapped, and he decided to drive here 328 00:16:58,495 --> 00:17:00,976 to the payphone in Brookville Country Club, 329 00:17:01,063 --> 00:17:04,023 which is three blocks from his house. 330 00:17:04,153 --> 00:17:07,417 And this is where Jordan, in the movie, 331 00:17:07,548 --> 00:17:09,941 crashed his Lamborghini. 332 00:17:10,029 --> 00:17:11,987 Jordan took a few Quaaludes, 333 00:17:12,074 --> 00:17:13,815 and he went to this country club. 334 00:17:13,902 --> 00:17:17,079 And like in the movie, the Quaaludes really kicked in. 335 00:17:17,166 --> 00:17:18,776 Pow. 336 00:17:18,863 --> 00:17:20,996 He walked out of the building and then proceeded 337 00:17:21,083 --> 00:17:24,869 to roll down 20 or 30 stairs. 338 00:17:26,828 --> 00:17:28,873 But as you can see, it's four steps 339 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,180 and four steps in real life. 340 00:17:31,267 --> 00:17:33,399 He did manage to get into his car 'luded, 341 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,793 and was able to drive the three blocks 342 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:37,099 back to his house. 343 00:17:37,186 --> 00:17:40,493 Get out of the fucking way! 344 00:17:40,494 --> 00:17:43,453 God forbid you should get behind the wheel of a car. 345 00:17:43,584 --> 00:17:48,067 The scene when Jordan drove while he was very high 346 00:17:48,154 --> 00:17:50,460 really smashed up his car. 347 00:17:50,591 --> 00:17:53,246 That was a real event that occurred, 348 00:17:53,376 --> 00:17:56,205 and everybody knew about that. 349 00:17:56,292 --> 00:17:58,773 I remember the phone call at 9:00 350 00:17:58,860 --> 00:18:00,253 that Jordan got into an accident. 351 00:18:00,383 --> 00:18:02,472 I said, Nadine, I'll be right there. 352 00:18:02,603 --> 00:18:07,347 I drove down this driveway to the garage in front of me, 353 00:18:07,434 --> 00:18:10,524 where his Mercedes was parked and still running. 354 00:18:10,611 --> 00:18:12,352 The door was open. 355 00:18:12,439 --> 00:18:15,790 Jordan was totally spiraling out of control. 356 00:18:15,877 --> 00:18:19,489 The movie depicts it when you start seeing it going bad. 357 00:18:19,620 --> 00:18:22,666 When he came back from the country club, 358 00:18:22,753 --> 00:18:25,887 that's when things really, I think, start to turn. 359 00:18:49,128 --> 00:18:50,738 He treated Nadine really bad. 360 00:18:50,825 --> 00:18:55,656 He was an abusive drug addict, and he was an abusive husband. 361 00:18:55,743 --> 00:18:57,223 You know, when you're dealing with addiction, 362 00:18:57,310 --> 00:19:00,748 which I had never dealt with before, nothing works. 363 00:19:00,835 --> 00:19:02,924 I would stay home with him. I would leave him at home. 364 00:19:03,054 --> 00:19:05,969 I would tell him not to do it. We'd get into fights. 365 00:19:05,970 --> 00:19:09,278 And I was like, guys, he can't go out. 366 00:19:09,365 --> 00:19:12,412 And they were like, oh, just tell him to do some coke. 367 00:19:12,499 --> 00:19:15,937 I'm like, that is not a solution. 368 00:19:16,024 --> 00:19:18,722 The coke was really what did him in. 369 00:19:18,853 --> 00:19:22,377 That's when it got really bad. 370 00:19:22,378 --> 00:19:25,642 I'm just wondering how long that would have lasted. 371 00:19:25,773 --> 00:19:28,079 And obviously, it didn't last because it blew up. 372 00:19:28,167 --> 00:19:32,562 But--but I think she stuck around till the end, 373 00:19:32,649 --> 00:19:34,390 until it got really, really ugly. 374 00:19:38,525 --> 00:19:41,876 The tremendous benefit to the case of arresting Todd Garrett 375 00:19:41,963 --> 00:19:44,748 is it's part of the money laundering chain. 376 00:19:44,879 --> 00:19:47,360 And so we began to see if we could flip him. 377 00:19:47,490 --> 00:19:50,100 It was not easy. Todd Garrett was a tough guy. 378 00:19:50,101 --> 00:19:53,975 He was an ex-Hell's Angel. 379 00:19:54,062 --> 00:19:55,890 He's a boxer. 380 00:19:55,977 --> 00:19:57,805 He had sort of cauliflower ears. 381 00:19:57,892 --> 00:19:59,589 He had the crooked nose. 382 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,765 He was a tough-looking guy. 383 00:20:01,852 --> 00:20:05,116 I had heard rumors that if he pulled down his bottom lip, 384 00:20:05,204 --> 00:20:07,641 he had RIP tattooed inside. 385 00:20:10,513 --> 00:20:13,473 The big breakthrough was that Todd Garrett 386 00:20:13,603 --> 00:20:16,693 really was on the list to get a heart transplant. 387 00:20:16,780 --> 00:20:19,653 And I realized that extreme circumstances 388 00:20:19,740 --> 00:20:21,611 call for extreme measures. 389 00:20:21,742 --> 00:20:23,831 So I communicated to Todd Garrett's lawyer 390 00:20:23,961 --> 00:20:26,268 that we had enough evidence to bring charges against him 391 00:20:26,399 --> 00:20:28,401 for Quaaludes possession, and that that would 392 00:20:28,531 --> 00:20:31,186 take him off the list to get a heart transplant. 393 00:20:31,273 --> 00:20:33,448 Did you have any ethical qualms 394 00:20:33,449 --> 00:20:35,146 about, like, is this going too far 395 00:20:35,234 --> 00:20:39,499 to get the information I want? 396 00:20:39,586 --> 00:20:41,631 I certainly thought, when I communicated 397 00:20:41,718 --> 00:20:43,807 to Garrett's lawyer how to say it. 398 00:20:43,894 --> 00:20:47,158 It's not a threat; you're just communicating facts. 399 00:20:47,246 --> 00:20:50,073 Play ball or you might not get a new heart. 400 00:20:50,074 --> 00:20:52,512 And I was just telling him the truth. 401 00:20:52,599 --> 00:20:56,080 And then he came in and cooperated. 402 00:20:56,211 --> 00:20:58,300 And that was the Wolf of Wall Street's downfall. 403 00:21:10,312 --> 00:21:12,705 Todd Garrett came in and revealed to us even more 404 00:21:12,706 --> 00:21:13,576 than we could have imagined. 405 00:21:16,971 --> 00:21:19,756 He gave us information that Belfort and his wife and others 406 00:21:19,843 --> 00:21:22,716 would have parties at their Long Island mansion, 407 00:21:22,803 --> 00:21:25,153 and they would have friends who would fly over 408 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:30,289 with the money to Switzerland, including Garrett's wife. 409 00:21:30,376 --> 00:21:32,160 So there's a scene in "The Wolf of Wall Street." 410 00:21:32,291 --> 00:21:35,294 They're strapping cash to Todd Garrett's wife. 411 00:21:35,381 --> 00:21:38,208 That was a scene that was meant to be over-the-top 412 00:21:38,209 --> 00:21:39,646 funny from Hollywood. 413 00:21:39,776 --> 00:21:44,085 The real smuggling was very much less glamorous, 414 00:21:44,172 --> 00:21:45,826 and they would just put it in bags, 415 00:21:45,956 --> 00:21:48,872 like, hundreds of thousands of dollars in, for example, 416 00:21:48,959 --> 00:21:50,483 a Louis Vuitton bag. 417 00:21:50,570 --> 00:21:51,658 They would put a lock on it and they would 418 00:21:51,745 --> 00:21:53,573 check it onto the airplane. 419 00:21:58,795 --> 00:22:03,017 This document is essentially explaining 420 00:22:03,104 --> 00:22:05,759 how Belfort and Porush were smuggling cash 421 00:22:05,889 --> 00:22:08,892 out of the U.S. to Switzerland, 422 00:22:08,979 --> 00:22:12,722 depositing it into bank accounts for shell companies, 423 00:22:12,809 --> 00:22:16,030 and then wiring it back to the U.S. 424 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,512 This circular flow allowed them to disguise 425 00:22:19,599 --> 00:22:22,950 their illegal profits as legitimate investments. 426 00:22:27,998 --> 00:22:30,827 Once we had the courier, 427 00:22:30,914 --> 00:22:33,569 the case against Belfort and Porush is all but done. 428 00:22:33,656 --> 00:22:36,093 And I remember looking at Greg and thinking, oh, my God. 429 00:22:36,180 --> 00:22:37,486 These guys are toast. 430 00:22:41,708 --> 00:22:43,231 At this point, I believe Nadine 431 00:22:43,362 --> 00:22:45,929 was getting fed up having to have this type 432 00:22:46,016 --> 00:22:49,846 of volatility for her family. 433 00:22:49,933 --> 00:22:53,372 So my ex-wife and I had gone to a therapist. 434 00:22:53,502 --> 00:22:56,157 And my ex told Nadine about her, 435 00:22:56,244 --> 00:22:58,899 and Nadine went and liked her. 436 00:22:59,029 --> 00:23:02,685 And then Nadine convinced Jordan to go see her. 437 00:23:02,816 --> 00:23:05,384 And after he did see her, Jordan said, 438 00:23:05,514 --> 00:23:08,169 this therapist is a cult leader. 439 00:23:08,299 --> 00:23:10,258 He flipped out. 440 00:23:10,389 --> 00:23:11,868 And that therapist basically told her, 441 00:23:11,955 --> 00:23:13,217 you're in a bad situation. 442 00:23:13,348 --> 00:23:14,610 There's no getting out of it. 443 00:23:14,741 --> 00:23:16,655 Run. 444 00:23:16,656 --> 00:23:19,833 That's Nadine in the background. 445 00:23:19,963 --> 00:23:23,924 And he ultimately blamed my ex and I. 446 00:23:24,054 --> 00:23:28,450 And our relationship really severed from that point on. 447 00:23:28,537 --> 00:23:30,409 So I was working on myself all along, 448 00:23:30,496 --> 00:23:32,802 but that really didn't matter. 449 00:23:32,889 --> 00:23:34,804 Right, because I couldn't change him. 450 00:23:34,891 --> 00:23:37,241 And you have a last straw moment. 451 00:23:37,328 --> 00:23:39,722 There was one when I told him if he didn't get sober, 452 00:23:39,853 --> 00:23:41,507 I was leaving him. 453 00:23:41,594 --> 00:23:43,422 And he went crazy because I said, 454 00:23:43,509 --> 00:23:45,032 you have to get an intervention. 455 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,164 I'm not gonna sit here and watch you kill yourself, right. 456 00:23:47,251 --> 00:23:52,735 And he went nuts, got violent. 457 00:23:52,866 --> 00:23:56,217 Lack of remorse is the knife in the heart. 458 00:23:56,304 --> 00:23:57,566 And then he got arrested. 459 00:23:57,653 --> 00:23:59,263 So I got lucky. 460 00:23:59,350 --> 00:24:01,483 So that was my window. 461 00:24:01,614 --> 00:24:03,137 And I was like, he can't hurt me anymore. 462 00:24:03,224 --> 00:24:04,399 I'm out. 463 00:24:06,401 --> 00:24:07,620 There were two arrests that were made 464 00:24:07,707 --> 00:24:09,665 around Labor Day of 1998. 465 00:24:09,752 --> 00:24:14,104 Danny Porush was arrested by agents in Miami. 466 00:24:14,191 --> 00:24:16,411 And at the same time, a large group of FBI agents 467 00:24:16,498 --> 00:24:18,674 went to Jordan Belfort's mansion. 468 00:24:21,895 --> 00:24:24,288 And that was actually the first time, 469 00:24:24,375 --> 00:24:28,641 after all of these years that I met Belfort face to face. 470 00:24:32,340 --> 00:24:34,560 I remember him sitting there. 471 00:24:34,647 --> 00:24:36,518 He was in handcuffs. 472 00:24:36,649 --> 00:24:38,215 His eyes were very glassy. 473 00:24:38,346 --> 00:24:41,697 I couldn't tell if he was tired or if he was high. 474 00:24:41,784 --> 00:24:44,308 And I walked in, and I just looked at him 475 00:24:44,395 --> 00:24:46,789 and said, do know who I am? 476 00:24:46,876 --> 00:24:50,358 And he just shook his head and said, yes. 477 00:24:52,186 --> 00:24:55,885 I found out reading the papers like everyone else. 478 00:24:55,972 --> 00:24:59,672 And I was worried that, you know, 479 00:24:59,802 --> 00:25:02,283 a lot of others, we would get arrested. 480 00:25:02,370 --> 00:25:06,548 Once Jordan got arrested, being the genius that I am, 481 00:25:06,635 --> 00:25:10,334 seemed to me the higher ups were next in line. 482 00:25:10,465 --> 00:25:12,380 It wasn't just gonna be Jordan. 483 00:25:15,905 --> 00:25:18,429 At a certain point, I had a dinner 484 00:25:18,517 --> 00:25:20,780 with my partner at Biltmore. 485 00:25:20,867 --> 00:25:24,914 And I said, listen, I just can't do this anymore. 486 00:25:25,045 --> 00:25:28,352 You know, I-- 487 00:25:28,439 --> 00:25:32,792 I'm just overcome with how awful this is. 488 00:25:32,879 --> 00:25:38,232 And the guilt had really just sort of overcome me. 489 00:25:38,319 --> 00:25:40,582 And I said, I'm leaving. 490 00:25:40,669 --> 00:25:44,194 And I walked away from a lot, because we had a lot of money 491 00:25:44,281 --> 00:25:45,891 in this trading account. 492 00:25:45,892 --> 00:25:47,937 I said, you keep it all, do whatever you wanna do. 493 00:25:48,024 --> 00:25:49,459 I've had it. 494 00:25:49,460 --> 00:25:52,507 That was like, 1997, '98. 495 00:25:52,594 --> 00:25:54,378 I left. 496 00:25:54,465 --> 00:25:59,514 We hadn't been approached by the U.S. attorneys or the FBI 497 00:25:59,645 --> 00:26:01,385 or anything at that point, but I knew 498 00:26:01,472 --> 00:26:04,301 it was just a question of time. 499 00:26:04,432 --> 00:26:07,042 So we have Jordan Belfort in custody, 500 00:26:07,043 --> 00:26:09,393 and Belfort is a bright guy. 501 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,307 I think if you see the movie, 502 00:26:11,308 --> 00:26:14,049 you get a somewhat rough, approximate presentation 503 00:26:14,050 --> 00:26:15,138 of what happened. 504 00:26:15,225 --> 00:26:17,836 - Did you just say wear a wire? - A wire. 505 00:26:17,837 --> 00:26:19,665 What does that mean? You want me to rat? 506 00:26:19,752 --> 00:26:21,492 Is that it? - No. I want you to cooperate. 507 00:26:21,580 --> 00:26:22,841 No, you want me to rat. 508 00:26:22,842 --> 00:26:25,061 That's fucking exactly what we want you to do. 509 00:26:25,148 --> 00:26:26,062 To rat. 510 00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:27,193 And he did. 511 00:26:30,284 --> 00:26:32,067 It's the following Tuesday. 512 00:26:32,068 --> 00:26:35,202 And for Belfort, he's now out of jail. 513 00:26:35,289 --> 00:26:37,683 Remember, this is getting heavily covered. 514 00:26:37,813 --> 00:26:41,947 So we are trying to perpetuate the image 515 00:26:41,948 --> 00:26:46,692 that he's fighting the case, that he's not cooperating. 516 00:26:46,822 --> 00:26:49,302 So he's coming in to meet in my office, 517 00:26:49,303 --> 00:26:51,131 coming in through the back elevator, 518 00:26:51,261 --> 00:26:52,698 through a parking lot so nobody could see him. 519 00:26:55,962 --> 00:27:01,663 We spent hours and hours debriefing him. 520 00:27:01,750 --> 00:27:03,709 So remember, when we're hearing all these stories, 521 00:27:03,796 --> 00:27:05,493 there is no "Wolf of Wall Street" books. 522 00:27:05,580 --> 00:27:07,495 There is no "Wolf of Wall Street" movie. 523 00:27:07,582 --> 00:27:10,193 And when they would start to tell you how things worked... 524 00:27:12,239 --> 00:27:15,285 Whoo! 525 00:27:15,372 --> 00:27:16,547 Their reaction was, 526 00:27:16,635 --> 00:27:19,332 yeah, this is just what we did every day. 527 00:27:19,333 --> 00:27:21,117 You know, the acts like it was like ancient Rome, 528 00:27:21,248 --> 00:27:23,379 where you're like, this is like the Colosseum. 529 00:27:23,380 --> 00:27:24,599 That is impressive. 530 00:27:24,730 --> 00:27:25,686 There was midget-tossing. 531 00:27:25,687 --> 00:27:27,254 People's heads were being shaved. 532 00:27:27,384 --> 00:27:29,256 Goldfish were being eaten. 533 00:27:29,343 --> 00:27:31,258 It was almost like adult Disneyland 534 00:27:31,345 --> 00:27:32,520 for dysfunctional people. 535 00:27:35,001 --> 00:27:37,612 The movie doesn't even accurately portray 536 00:27:37,699 --> 00:27:40,136 the level of insanity that occurred back then. 537 00:27:40,223 --> 00:27:44,401 Drugs, alcohol, prostitutes, trade some more stock. 538 00:27:44,488 --> 00:27:47,143 Rewind, do the same thing again. 539 00:27:47,230 --> 00:27:49,318 Greg and I would look at each other and say, oh, my God. 540 00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:51,365 This really happened. 541 00:27:51,495 --> 00:27:54,629 They would describe it the way that somebody might describe 542 00:27:54,716 --> 00:27:57,545 what they ate for breakfast. 543 00:27:57,632 --> 00:28:01,941 For me, knowing he's going to cooperate is fantastic. 544 00:28:02,071 --> 00:28:04,378 But the other thing I needed to figure out was, 545 00:28:04,465 --> 00:28:06,772 is he really on board? 546 00:28:06,859 --> 00:28:09,078 Yes, he's been speaking with us. 547 00:28:09,165 --> 00:28:14,388 Yes, he's got a recording device and a transmitter. 548 00:28:14,475 --> 00:28:18,305 But sometimes these guys think they're smarter than we are. 549 00:28:18,392 --> 00:28:21,612 And so I have to pick the person 550 00:28:21,743 --> 00:28:24,137 that he is going to visit first. 551 00:28:27,793 --> 00:28:30,534 When did you find out he was wearing a wire? 552 00:28:30,621 --> 00:28:31,710 When I got arrested. 553 00:28:40,457 --> 00:28:43,547 Jordan was wearing a wire several times a week. 554 00:28:43,634 --> 00:28:45,071 He did a lot of meetings 555 00:28:45,158 --> 00:28:48,988 in some of the fanciest restaurants in New York, 556 00:28:49,075 --> 00:28:50,946 where he would be out and about public, 557 00:28:51,033 --> 00:28:52,382 and people would see him, and it would perpetuate 558 00:28:52,469 --> 00:28:54,688 the impression that he was not pleading guilty, 559 00:28:54,689 --> 00:28:57,518 when in fact, he had already pled guilty. 560 00:28:57,648 --> 00:29:00,739 He was very talented at this 561 00:29:00,826 --> 00:29:02,001 because Jordan could get anybody 562 00:29:02,088 --> 00:29:04,743 into a conversation about anything. 563 00:29:04,830 --> 00:29:07,658 He just was a natural at it. 564 00:29:07,746 --> 00:29:09,486 Jordan came to me for help. 565 00:29:09,573 --> 00:29:10,836 Hey, can you help me? 566 00:29:10,923 --> 00:29:12,488 Take me to go-- come to an AA meeting. 567 00:29:12,489 --> 00:29:15,754 And he came to an AA meeting with me. 568 00:29:15,841 --> 00:29:17,799 And he was asking me all these questions and stuff, 569 00:29:17,886 --> 00:29:21,672 and I knew--I knew it was-- something wasn't kosher. 570 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,282 And then I remember one time he took me 571 00:29:23,283 --> 00:29:25,851 to dinner by myself, 572 00:29:25,938 --> 00:29:28,027 asking me all these questions and everything. 573 00:29:28,114 --> 00:29:29,549 You know, we went through everything, 574 00:29:29,550 --> 00:29:30,899 what we were doing. 575 00:29:30,986 --> 00:29:33,119 We were promoting stocks on a website. 576 00:29:33,249 --> 00:29:34,816 And we own the stocks. 577 00:29:34,903 --> 00:29:37,993 Jordan pretended he wanted to get involved. 578 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,604 You know, you wanted it to be true. 579 00:29:40,691 --> 00:29:44,869 I don't know how to explain how you want--you close your eyes. 580 00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:47,916 I was an idiot and I trusted him. 581 00:29:48,047 --> 00:29:50,005 I was warned by a friend of mine 582 00:29:50,092 --> 00:29:51,572 that Jordan's gonna call you. 583 00:29:51,702 --> 00:29:55,228 And sure enough, he calls me. 584 00:29:57,796 --> 00:29:59,319 Hey, Ross. What's going on? It's Jordan. 585 00:29:59,449 --> 00:30:00,624 You know, how's it going? 586 00:30:00,711 --> 00:30:01,625 He goes, what are you up to? 587 00:30:01,712 --> 00:30:02,539 I said, you know, I'm divorced now. 588 00:30:02,626 --> 00:30:04,672 I'm living in Bayside again. 589 00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:08,458 He goes, oh, are you renting or do you own? 590 00:30:08,589 --> 00:30:10,111 Ding, ding, ding, ding. 591 00:30:10,112 --> 00:30:13,376 He would never, ever ask a question like that. 592 00:30:13,463 --> 00:30:16,466 That was way out of character. 593 00:30:16,553 --> 00:30:21,602 Now I know he's recording me and that was the end of it. 594 00:30:21,689 --> 00:30:23,691 That was the end of our conversation. 595 00:30:23,778 --> 00:30:25,693 He's a rat piece of shit. 596 00:30:25,824 --> 00:30:28,827 You know, why me? 597 00:30:28,914 --> 00:30:32,134 A few weeks later, six FBI officers 598 00:30:32,221 --> 00:30:36,573 knocking on my door, guns drawn like I was Al Capone. 599 00:30:36,660 --> 00:30:40,708 It got to the point where every one of my partners 600 00:30:40,795 --> 00:30:42,884 had been arrested. 601 00:30:42,971 --> 00:30:44,755 And my brother being an attorney 602 00:30:44,843 --> 00:30:46,845 and being a very good one and smart one, 603 00:30:46,932 --> 00:30:48,847 said, listen, asshole. 604 00:30:48,977 --> 00:30:52,502 You're the only one that hasn't gotten arrested yet. 605 00:30:52,589 --> 00:30:55,548 So what we're gonna do is, we're gonna go to them 606 00:30:55,549 --> 00:30:56,985 before they come to you. 607 00:30:57,072 --> 00:30:59,945 And that's precisely what we did. 608 00:31:00,032 --> 00:31:02,295 We voluntarily made an appointment 609 00:31:02,382 --> 00:31:07,300 to walk into the FBI and said, here we are. 610 00:31:07,387 --> 00:31:10,085 And they asked me to wear a wire. 611 00:31:10,172 --> 00:31:13,393 And then they told me the consequences 612 00:31:13,523 --> 00:31:15,569 of disagreeing with them on that. 613 00:31:15,699 --> 00:31:18,137 And I said, I agree. 614 00:31:18,224 --> 00:31:20,966 There were no tough guys here. 615 00:31:21,053 --> 00:31:22,444 Everyone was ratting on everyone. 616 00:31:22,445 --> 00:31:25,971 No one could rat on another one quick enough. 617 00:31:26,101 --> 00:31:28,103 I avoided ever getting arrested, 618 00:31:28,190 --> 00:31:29,409 indicted, charged, nothing. 619 00:31:31,193 --> 00:31:33,674 There was a knock on the door. 620 00:31:33,804 --> 00:31:36,198 It was a man and a woman. 621 00:31:36,285 --> 00:31:38,809 They opened up their coats and sure enough, 622 00:31:38,940 --> 00:31:40,942 there was a badge and a gun. 623 00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:44,163 They said, you are going to be indicted. 624 00:31:44,250 --> 00:31:47,949 And I can tell you that if you talk to us now, 625 00:31:48,036 --> 00:31:50,343 we could probably make a deal. 626 00:31:50,430 --> 00:31:53,824 And I would have to wear a wire and try to 627 00:31:53,912 --> 00:31:56,088 bring cases against other people. 628 00:31:56,175 --> 00:32:00,221 And I said, I'm not about to start 629 00:32:00,222 --> 00:32:02,267 trying to ruin other people's lives. 630 00:32:02,268 --> 00:32:04,183 I mean, I just-- 631 00:32:04,270 --> 00:32:07,403 I could not live with doing that on top of everything else. 632 00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:09,274 So they said, okay, if you change your mind, 633 00:32:09,275 --> 00:32:10,493 here's our card. 634 00:32:10,624 --> 00:32:12,104 And you'll be hearing from us. 635 00:32:13,888 --> 00:32:16,630 It was well over 80 people that were prosecuted. 636 00:32:19,111 --> 00:32:22,462 It was like a rogues' list of criminality. 637 00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:24,463 There were politicians that were being investigated. 638 00:32:24,464 --> 00:32:27,249 There was money launderers. 639 00:32:27,336 --> 00:32:29,120 Even long after I left the U.S. attorney's office, 640 00:32:29,121 --> 00:32:31,471 for about three or four years, the office staffed 641 00:32:31,558 --> 00:32:33,908 about four or five or six prosecutors who just 642 00:32:33,995 --> 00:32:35,517 handled all these cases kinda full time 643 00:32:35,518 --> 00:32:38,173 because there were so many cases that were the byproduct 644 00:32:38,260 --> 00:32:39,914 of their cooperation. 645 00:32:43,396 --> 00:32:46,877 Before sentencing, I brought the judge about 200 cards 646 00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:49,402 and letters from AA people. 647 00:32:49,489 --> 00:32:54,624 Judge looked at me and said, I think you're an idiot, 648 00:32:54,711 --> 00:32:58,454 and you can't even be a janitor in a brokerage firm. 649 00:32:58,541 --> 00:33:00,761 But I'm not sending you to jail. 650 00:33:00,848 --> 00:33:03,764 I was given three years' probation. 651 00:33:03,851 --> 00:33:05,853 I ended up taking a plea where 652 00:33:05,984 --> 00:33:08,550 I admitted that I had committed 653 00:33:08,551 --> 00:33:13,078 wire fraud and securities fraud. 654 00:33:13,165 --> 00:33:17,081 And I ended up receiving a couple of years 655 00:33:17,082 --> 00:33:20,868 in federal prison, which I served. 656 00:33:20,955 --> 00:33:23,131 And now I'm a convicted felon. 657 00:33:26,700 --> 00:33:29,007 After Jordan got indicted 658 00:33:29,094 --> 00:33:31,444 and after they seized everything, 659 00:33:31,531 --> 00:33:35,012 we invited him for dinner one night at my house. 660 00:33:35,013 --> 00:33:36,710 Jordan and I sat in front of the fire, 661 00:33:36,797 --> 00:33:37,798 and we started talking. 662 00:33:37,885 --> 00:33:39,756 How have you been? 663 00:33:39,887 --> 00:33:41,106 And he's like, I'm trying to see my kids. 664 00:33:41,193 --> 00:33:45,806 I have no money to buy toys for my kids. 665 00:33:45,893 --> 00:33:48,590 I was in the mortgage business. 666 00:33:48,591 --> 00:33:50,593 I started bringing him to my office. 667 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,248 We start working together. 668 00:33:53,335 --> 00:33:55,772 And then, one day, I get a call. 669 00:33:55,903 --> 00:33:59,037 Jordan just gave a meeting in front of 50 people. 670 00:33:59,124 --> 00:34:00,821 And he said, oh, Rob is out. 671 00:34:00,908 --> 00:34:04,042 I'm taking over the company. 672 00:34:04,172 --> 00:34:05,129 So when I heard this, I'm like, wow. 673 00:34:05,130 --> 00:34:09,699 This is his-- here he goes again. 674 00:34:09,786 --> 00:34:11,484 I said, what is wrong with you? 675 00:34:11,571 --> 00:34:12,702 Don't you see what you did? 676 00:34:12,833 --> 00:34:15,096 It's over now. 677 00:34:15,183 --> 00:34:20,013 And that's when the friendship went awry. 678 00:34:20,014 --> 00:34:24,018 After it all happened, we all parted our ways. 679 00:34:24,105 --> 00:34:27,847 And Jordan had an opportunity to-- 680 00:34:27,848 --> 00:34:29,719 to reach out to me a few times. 681 00:34:29,806 --> 00:34:33,375 And one was when my daughter was diagnosed 682 00:34:33,506 --> 00:34:36,509 with leukemia, Olivia. 683 00:34:36,596 --> 00:34:42,950 And she fought for her life and eventually did die. 684 00:34:44,038 --> 00:34:45,474 Nadine was supportive. 685 00:34:45,561 --> 00:34:47,737 All of our friends were supportive. 686 00:34:47,868 --> 00:34:50,958 And never... 687 00:34:51,045 --> 00:34:55,963 Not even--not a card, not a phone call. 688 00:34:56,050 --> 00:34:58,313 Not a message to us. 689 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,186 Nothing. 690 00:35:01,273 --> 00:35:03,884 Did he let me down a lot? Yeah, he let me down. 691 00:35:06,756 --> 00:35:09,716 Jordan and Danny both pled guilty to indictments 692 00:35:09,803 --> 00:35:13,589 where they admitted to everything. 693 00:35:13,676 --> 00:35:16,244 Every single one of the 34 initial public offerings 694 00:35:16,375 --> 00:35:18,072 that they brought through Stratton Oakmont 695 00:35:18,159 --> 00:35:20,335 was riddled with fraud from beginning to end, 696 00:35:20,422 --> 00:35:22,337 and also money laundering 697 00:35:22,424 --> 00:35:24,904 involving the Swiss activities. 698 00:35:24,905 --> 00:35:28,430 They were facing anywhere from 16 to 20 years in jail. 699 00:35:28,517 --> 00:35:32,217 But the judge has total discretion 700 00:35:32,304 --> 00:35:35,959 to sentence Belfort anywhere he wants, 701 00:35:36,046 --> 00:35:38,310 including no time at all. 702 00:35:40,268 --> 00:35:43,096 At the end of the day, the judge came up 703 00:35:43,097 --> 00:35:45,926 with a sentencing package that sentenced Belfort 704 00:35:46,013 --> 00:35:48,276 to four years in jail. 705 00:35:51,236 --> 00:35:53,325 I remember leaving that courtroom 706 00:35:53,412 --> 00:35:55,979 and calling up a few of my FBI friends 707 00:35:56,066 --> 00:35:57,937 and throwing the F word around, 708 00:35:57,938 --> 00:36:00,114 probably more than I should have. 709 00:36:00,245 --> 00:36:03,725 That sentence was painful to find out about. 710 00:36:03,726 --> 00:36:05,685 He should have gone away for 20 years. 711 00:36:05,772 --> 00:36:07,034 A minimum of 20 years. 712 00:36:09,123 --> 00:36:11,256 There was many questions asked about that. 713 00:36:11,343 --> 00:36:12,953 How did they get such a significant reduction 714 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,259 in their sentences? 715 00:36:14,389 --> 00:36:15,956 One is the amount of cooperation 716 00:36:16,043 --> 00:36:19,133 that they gave was so extreme, 717 00:36:19,264 --> 00:36:22,136 it brought down so many other bad actors. 718 00:36:22,267 --> 00:36:24,530 Second was they were fortunate in that they got 719 00:36:24,617 --> 00:36:27,707 assigned Judge John Gleeson. 720 00:36:27,794 --> 00:36:30,840 Judge Gleeson is the person who took down John Gotti. 721 00:36:30,927 --> 00:36:33,800 Running the nation's largest organized crime family. 722 00:36:33,887 --> 00:36:36,803 And one of the key witnesses he had to use in the Gotti case 723 00:36:36,890 --> 00:36:40,285 was someone who had been involved in murders. 724 00:36:40,372 --> 00:36:42,983 And so Judge Gleeson appreciated 725 00:36:43,070 --> 00:36:45,725 the value of cooperation more than almost anyone. 726 00:36:45,855 --> 00:36:49,511 Justice was done because a lot of really bad actors 727 00:36:49,598 --> 00:36:50,947 and people working with them were stopped. 728 00:37:00,653 --> 00:37:03,395 In hindsight, he did 22 months 729 00:37:03,525 --> 00:37:05,962 in a country club federal penitentiary, 730 00:37:06,093 --> 00:37:12,230 like in the movie, a camp that he played tennis every day. 731 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,667 And what a small world that Tommy Chong 732 00:37:14,754 --> 00:37:18,236 from Cheech and Chong would be his bunkie? 733 00:37:18,323 --> 00:37:20,542 How do you describe your brand of humor? 734 00:37:20,673 --> 00:37:22,849 Pot. Pot humor. 735 00:37:22,936 --> 00:37:25,025 How much a part does that play in your comedy skits? 736 00:37:25,112 --> 00:37:28,289 It depends on how much you take. 737 00:37:28,376 --> 00:37:31,684 Tommy Chong of Cheech and Chong fame-- 738 00:37:31,771 --> 00:37:35,514 comedian, star of many movies, 739 00:37:35,601 --> 00:37:38,778 smoker of many joints. 740 00:37:38,865 --> 00:37:40,475 And it was Tommy Chong that said, 741 00:37:40,562 --> 00:37:42,347 you need to write a book. 742 00:37:42,434 --> 00:37:44,435 We would tell each other stories at night, 743 00:37:44,436 --> 00:37:45,828 and I would tell them some of my stories, 744 00:37:45,915 --> 00:37:46,786 and he would just be laughing and couldn't believe it. 745 00:37:46,873 --> 00:37:48,570 Then he-- 746 00:37:48,657 --> 00:37:49,528 Saying, there's no way that could be true. 747 00:37:49,615 --> 00:37:50,920 After the third day, he goes, I thought 748 00:37:51,007 --> 00:37:52,618 you were making this stuff up. But my wife googled you. 749 00:37:52,748 --> 00:37:54,489 And it's like, you gotta write a book. 750 00:37:54,620 --> 00:37:56,361 And he started writing a book in jail. 751 00:38:01,453 --> 00:38:06,240 The minute you step in prison is a traumatic event, 752 00:38:06,371 --> 00:38:09,591 but in a very weird way, I'm glad I went through it. 753 00:38:09,678 --> 00:38:11,201 Because I needed it. 754 00:38:11,289 --> 00:38:13,726 It taught me about humility. 755 00:38:13,813 --> 00:38:16,598 There's something about scrubbing the toilets 756 00:38:16,685 --> 00:38:20,341 for 100 men every day that teaches you lessons 757 00:38:20,428 --> 00:38:23,388 that I desperately needed to learn. 758 00:38:23,475 --> 00:38:26,041 You know, my higher power took care of me, punished me. 759 00:38:26,042 --> 00:38:29,306 I went through hell for two years. 760 00:38:29,307 --> 00:38:32,440 I had small pieces of cancer removed. 761 00:38:32,527 --> 00:38:36,314 Two weeks later, I got sepsis in my stomach. 762 00:38:36,444 --> 00:38:38,968 I was put in a coma for seven days, 763 00:38:39,055 --> 00:38:43,451 where I died twice on the table. 764 00:38:43,538 --> 00:38:46,280 It was terrible life. It was just terrible. 765 00:38:46,367 --> 00:38:49,238 God's punishment. 766 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,981 I was at rock bottom. 767 00:38:52,112 --> 00:38:55,898 I was living by myself. 768 00:38:55,985 --> 00:38:59,162 How my dog survived, I'll never know. 769 00:38:59,249 --> 00:39:02,469 But I had gone from this person 770 00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:04,646 who lived like a prince, 771 00:39:04,777 --> 00:39:07,693 making $1 1/2 million a year, 772 00:39:07,823 --> 00:39:12,480 to being an obese drug addict, homeless, 773 00:39:12,567 --> 00:39:16,266 penniless, friendless, and everything else. 774 00:39:18,312 --> 00:39:22,447 I was smart enough to, when the chair stopped moving, 775 00:39:22,577 --> 00:39:24,579 to have $1 million. 776 00:39:24,666 --> 00:39:29,584 And if I was sober enough, I'd be retired today. 777 00:39:29,671 --> 00:39:32,587 I never had a shortage of opportunities 778 00:39:32,674 --> 00:39:34,372 present themselves. 779 00:39:34,502 --> 00:39:40,247 I was just always too much of a mess to take advantage of them. 780 00:39:40,334 --> 00:39:44,991 I, at this point, was so addicted that my brother 781 00:39:45,078 --> 00:39:47,515 got me into a sober house. 782 00:39:47,646 --> 00:39:50,126 I walked into the sober house. 783 00:39:50,257 --> 00:39:54,827 And here I am, in Ferragamo shoes, Louis Vuitton luggage. 784 00:39:54,914 --> 00:39:56,959 Everyone's looking at me like I gotta be the biggest 785 00:39:57,090 --> 00:39:58,874 fucking asshole in history. 786 00:39:58,961 --> 00:40:02,443 And all of a sudden, out of the guy's office, I hear, 787 00:40:02,530 --> 00:40:05,968 "Howie fucking Gelfand?" 788 00:40:06,099 --> 00:40:08,492 Guy comes out of the manager's room, 789 00:40:08,493 --> 00:40:12,713 and it's a kid I knew from high school. 790 00:40:12,714 --> 00:40:16,196 And what does he have in his hand? 791 00:40:16,283 --> 00:40:18,459 "The Wolf of Wall Street" book. 792 00:40:23,464 --> 00:40:24,726 "The Wolf of Wall Street" tells 793 00:40:24,857 --> 00:40:26,511 the real life story of Jordan Belfort. 794 00:40:26,598 --> 00:40:29,077 The one-time stockbroker spent 22 months in prison. 795 00:40:29,078 --> 00:40:32,430 When Jordan's book came out, did you read the book? 796 00:40:32,517 --> 00:40:33,560 I read the book. 797 00:40:33,561 --> 00:40:35,520 What did you think? 798 00:40:35,607 --> 00:40:37,565 I was mentioned in the book and I wasn't mentioned 799 00:40:37,652 --> 00:40:41,743 very nicely, but I understood it. 800 00:40:41,874 --> 00:40:47,096 I think Jordan Belfort is the classic anti-hero. 801 00:40:47,183 --> 00:40:48,794 There's every reason to not like him. 802 00:40:48,924 --> 00:40:51,884 He has a lot of traits that are not likable. 803 00:40:51,971 --> 00:40:55,235 But for some reason, you are rooting for him. 804 00:40:55,365 --> 00:40:57,759 And I can tell you from knowing him personally, 805 00:40:57,890 --> 00:41:00,240 I felt that way myself. 806 00:41:00,327 --> 00:41:02,547 I bought the book. 807 00:41:02,677 --> 00:41:03,548 I got on the subway. 808 00:41:06,812 --> 00:41:08,683 And I turned to the yacht page. 809 00:41:08,770 --> 00:41:11,599 And I saw my name, my ex-wife's name, 810 00:41:11,686 --> 00:41:15,603 what we did in life, how our lives were. 811 00:41:15,690 --> 00:41:18,476 I'm like, what the fuck is wrong with this guy? 812 00:41:18,563 --> 00:41:20,478 He needs to embellish himself that much 813 00:41:20,565 --> 00:41:22,654 that he has to name people? 814 00:41:22,741 --> 00:41:26,527 He mentioned how Rob's the cheapest guy alive. 815 00:41:26,614 --> 00:41:29,748 Most of the people he talked about, he made fun of. 816 00:41:29,835 --> 00:41:33,446 You know, it's just constant little jabs at people. 817 00:41:33,447 --> 00:41:38,278 Whether it's his wife, his friends, his friends' wives, 818 00:41:38,365 --> 00:41:40,541 very rarely something good about somebody. 819 00:41:40,628 --> 00:41:42,151 He wrote this book. 820 00:41:42,238 --> 00:41:43,588 You know, I read it. 821 00:41:43,675 --> 00:41:46,591 And I was like, what the hell is this? 822 00:41:46,678 --> 00:41:48,244 And he's like, no, I did it for you. 823 00:41:48,331 --> 00:41:49,810 I did it for us. 824 00:41:49,811 --> 00:41:50,812 I'm like, no, you didn't do it for me. 825 00:41:50,943 --> 00:41:51,813 I'm happily remarried. 826 00:41:51,944 --> 00:41:53,859 You did it for you. That's okay. 827 00:41:53,989 --> 00:41:55,991 I don't agree with what you're doing, but it's your life. 828 00:41:56,078 --> 00:41:57,515 You gotta do it, right? 829 00:41:57,645 --> 00:42:00,561 And then there were rumors that a movie was coming out. 830 00:42:02,650 --> 00:42:04,957 And I'm like, there's no fucking way. 831 00:42:05,044 --> 00:42:07,698 As long as you portray people as authentically 832 00:42:07,699 --> 00:42:10,745 as you possibly can, and you give an accurate portrayal 833 00:42:10,876 --> 00:42:15,141 of their very nature, audiences will go along with you on that. 834 00:42:15,228 --> 00:42:16,969 What guy on Wall Street wouldn't wanna have 835 00:42:17,056 --> 00:42:19,493 Leonardo DiCaprio play you in the movie? 836 00:42:22,409 --> 00:42:24,411 The movie becomes a sensation. 837 00:42:27,283 --> 00:42:29,242 Everyone's talking about Martin Scorsese's 838 00:42:29,372 --> 00:42:31,287 "The Wolf of Wall Street." 839 00:42:31,418 --> 00:42:33,942 "The Wolf of Wall Street" is closing in on $100 million 840 00:42:34,029 --> 00:42:35,290 in box office. 841 00:42:35,291 --> 00:42:36,771 Five Oscar nominations. 842 00:42:36,858 --> 00:42:38,599 "The Wolf of Wall Street" has received 843 00:42:38,686 --> 00:42:40,862 two Golden Globe nominations. 844 00:42:40,949 --> 00:42:44,691 And like the phoenix rising, Jordan Belfort is actually 845 00:42:44,692 --> 00:42:46,172 able to reinvent himself. 846 00:42:46,259 --> 00:42:48,261 In that book, I came up with the most 847 00:42:48,348 --> 00:42:52,047 effective persuasion strategy in the history of Wall Street. 848 00:42:52,134 --> 00:42:55,528 He goes on TV shows to pitch a sales technique, 849 00:42:55,529 --> 00:42:58,401 starts giving lectures, and is able to start 850 00:42:58,488 --> 00:43:02,449 a whole motivational speaking lifestyle, business. 851 00:43:02,536 --> 00:43:04,146 When you get hit with an objection, 852 00:43:04,233 --> 00:43:07,889 you engage in something called deflection. 853 00:43:07,976 --> 00:43:11,806 Fueled by nonstop stream of online videos. 854 00:43:11,893 --> 00:43:14,460 And you look within yourself and find you, 855 00:43:14,461 --> 00:43:16,768 find your best self. 856 00:43:16,898 --> 00:43:20,728 Start a free trial right now and get a 20% discount. 857 00:43:20,859 --> 00:43:24,123 Jordan has become a legend. 858 00:43:24,253 --> 00:43:27,169 The legendary Wolf of Wall Street, Jordan Belfort. 859 00:43:27,300 --> 00:43:30,216 It's the real Wolf of Wall Street. 860 00:43:30,303 --> 00:43:32,653 Belfort! 861 00:43:32,740 --> 00:43:34,785 I got the chest bump. All right. 862 00:43:34,786 --> 00:43:38,833 Jordan is treated by social media influencers 863 00:43:38,964 --> 00:43:43,403 as kind of an influential figure, a role model. 864 00:43:43,533 --> 00:43:46,711 The younger generation really looks up to him. 865 00:43:46,841 --> 00:43:48,974 I will not die sober. 866 00:43:49,104 --> 00:43:50,497 Are you gonna die sober? 867 00:43:50,584 --> 00:43:53,848 They wish that they had been there for the fun 868 00:43:53,935 --> 00:43:56,416 and the money and the women. 869 00:43:56,546 --> 00:44:02,074 Every time I go on Instagram, he's in my face. 870 00:44:02,161 --> 00:44:03,422 These people. 871 00:44:03,423 --> 00:44:04,642 "Wish I could meet you." 872 00:44:04,729 --> 00:44:07,949 "Legendary" with two flames. 873 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,735 "Wow! Wish I was there." 874 00:44:10,865 --> 00:44:12,432 To what? 875 00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:15,565 Become a fucking drug addict and get arrested? 876 00:44:15,653 --> 00:44:19,003 I see that he's got, like, upcoming trips to Miami, 877 00:44:19,004 --> 00:44:23,095 Brazil, Florida, Poland? 878 00:44:23,182 --> 00:44:25,618 And now he gets $100,000. 879 00:44:25,619 --> 00:44:28,143 He does speeches, fly in private jets. 880 00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:31,407 But the real way to make money is to invest in yourself. 881 00:44:32,887 --> 00:44:35,194 There's thousands and thousands of victims 882 00:44:35,281 --> 00:44:36,891 that have bought stocks that these guys 883 00:44:36,978 --> 00:44:38,676 put them into and lost a lot of money. 884 00:44:38,806 --> 00:44:41,069 People would be literally wiped out. 885 00:44:41,156 --> 00:44:44,203 Jordan was ordered to pay more than 110 million 886 00:44:44,290 --> 00:44:47,641 by the government as part of his sentence for his crimes. 887 00:44:47,772 --> 00:44:49,424 I've been trying to settle this thing for years, 888 00:44:49,425 --> 00:44:51,906 and they have essentially stonewalled me at every step. 889 00:44:52,037 --> 00:44:53,734 So I've said enough about this. Let's move on. 890 00:44:53,821 --> 00:44:55,256 Let me ask you this one thing, though. 891 00:44:55,257 --> 00:44:56,650 Let's move on, okay? 892 00:44:56,781 --> 00:44:58,957 Honestly, I'm ready--I'm not gonna get attacked here. 893 00:44:59,044 --> 00:45:01,220 You're here. So I'm done with this. Next. 894 00:45:01,350 --> 00:45:04,049 The judge ordered that the defendants contribute 895 00:45:04,136 --> 00:45:06,138 half of their proceeds, half of their profits, 896 00:45:06,225 --> 00:45:08,793 to this restitution fund. 897 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,100 If you look at other people in my position, 898 00:45:12,187 --> 00:45:14,799 I'm the only one who, over the long term, 899 00:45:14,929 --> 00:45:16,496 has been paying back investors. 900 00:45:16,583 --> 00:45:18,018 And I'm proud of that. 901 00:45:18,019 --> 00:45:19,238 And, you know, my goal one day would 902 00:45:19,325 --> 00:45:21,066 be to pay back all the money. 903 00:45:21,196 --> 00:45:22,763 Various victims' representatives 904 00:45:22,850 --> 00:45:24,677 would come to court and raise concerns, 905 00:45:24,678 --> 00:45:26,853 while the government tries to do what it can 906 00:45:26,854 --> 00:45:29,857 to make victims whole, it's often 907 00:45:29,988 --> 00:45:31,641 next to impossible to do that. 908 00:45:44,045 --> 00:45:46,047 I had worked hard to accumulate that money. 909 00:45:46,134 --> 00:45:49,442 And it was all the money I had at the time. 910 00:45:49,529 --> 00:45:53,402 I was fortunate that I could pick up extra shifts at work. 911 00:45:53,533 --> 00:45:56,491 I worked for a long time, 912 00:45:56,492 --> 00:45:58,451 like 18 hours a day, 7 days a week. 913 00:45:58,581 --> 00:46:00,408 You know? 914 00:46:00,409 --> 00:46:02,063 The first day I took off was when my daughter got married, 915 00:46:02,194 --> 00:46:03,848 I think, yeah. 916 00:46:03,978 --> 00:46:06,067 Money comes hard and it goes easy. 917 00:46:06,198 --> 00:46:08,200 You know, you work your tail off and poof, 918 00:46:08,287 --> 00:46:10,332 it goes like that. 919 00:46:10,463 --> 00:46:12,160 They knew the whole game. 920 00:46:12,291 --> 00:46:15,816 They sold their soul for the money, basically. 921 00:46:15,903 --> 00:46:19,428 You know, they have to live with that. 922 00:46:22,649 --> 00:46:27,175 The Stratton years of the damage I caused 923 00:46:27,262 --> 00:46:31,789 for these people eats away at me to this day. 924 00:46:33,791 --> 00:46:37,142 I had felt such remorse. 925 00:46:37,272 --> 00:46:41,537 And the more sober I got, the more remorse I felt. 926 00:46:43,757 --> 00:46:46,891 The lifestyle that we all led was great, 927 00:46:46,978 --> 00:46:49,154 but I wasn't aware that the money 928 00:46:49,284 --> 00:46:51,547 was literally being taken from people's 929 00:46:51,678 --> 00:46:53,593 lives and their savings. 930 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,162 It all funneled into everything that was bought and purchased 931 00:46:57,292 --> 00:46:59,425 and lifestyles and the car I drove. 932 00:46:59,512 --> 00:47:01,122 And it was all a big part of that. 933 00:47:04,778 --> 00:47:07,301 And I feel--honestly, I have guilt. 934 00:47:07,302 --> 00:47:09,217 I feel guilt. 935 00:47:09,304 --> 00:47:14,527 I let my greed and my ego stand in the way 936 00:47:14,614 --> 00:47:18,357 of my better judgment and my morality. 937 00:47:18,444 --> 00:47:20,707 I don't think the fact that I feel guilty about it 938 00:47:20,838 --> 00:47:22,578 makes me any better a guy. 939 00:47:22,709 --> 00:47:24,275 I think it makes me a worse guy 940 00:47:24,276 --> 00:47:26,495 'cause I knew what I was doing was wrong. 941 00:47:26,582 --> 00:47:29,934 I regret letting myself be blind. 942 00:47:30,064 --> 00:47:31,936 I regret hurting people. 943 00:47:32,023 --> 00:47:33,807 People lost money. 944 00:47:33,938 --> 00:47:35,374 You could say, they take the risk 945 00:47:35,461 --> 00:47:36,984 and they could afford the risk. 946 00:47:37,115 --> 00:47:38,725 You could use all the excuses you want. 947 00:47:38,812 --> 00:47:40,248 But the truth of the matter is, 948 00:47:40,335 --> 00:47:42,903 they had no chance of making money. 949 00:47:44,557 --> 00:47:46,776 If you could talk to the victims who lost their money, 950 00:47:46,864 --> 00:47:48,561 what would you say to them? 951 00:47:50,389 --> 00:47:52,173 What would I say to them? 952 00:47:52,260 --> 00:47:55,219 You know, all I can say is, believe me, 953 00:47:55,220 --> 00:47:56,656 I paid a price for it. 954 00:47:56,743 --> 00:47:58,397 But I don't expect your forgiveness. 955 00:47:58,527 --> 00:48:00,399 I haven't forgiven myself. 956 00:48:00,486 --> 00:48:02,053 Why should you? 957 00:48:04,142 --> 00:48:06,405 Do you have any regrets? 958 00:48:06,492 --> 00:48:07,406 Not one. 959 00:48:07,493 --> 00:48:09,190 Hi, Chandler! 960 00:48:09,321 --> 00:48:11,366 I have my beautiful children. 961 00:48:11,453 --> 00:48:13,891 And my daughter's a therapist. 962 00:48:13,978 --> 00:48:17,503 And she just gave birth, so I have a beautiful grandson. 963 00:48:17,590 --> 00:48:18,851 And my son's a musician. 964 00:48:18,852 --> 00:48:21,507 And I have three beautiful stepdaughters. 965 00:48:23,204 --> 00:48:28,035 So life turned out good. 966 00:48:28,122 --> 00:48:32,083 So Jordan's story, when he gives talks, 967 00:48:32,170 --> 00:48:33,911 when he's doing interviews, 968 00:48:33,998 --> 00:48:37,697 it's a story about his redemption. 969 00:48:37,784 --> 00:48:40,134 How do you wanna be remembered? 970 00:48:40,221 --> 00:48:41,744 As the ultimate comeback story, 971 00:48:41,831 --> 00:48:44,269 ultimate redemption story. 972 00:48:44,356 --> 00:48:47,402 Part of Jordan's narrative is that he took people 973 00:48:47,489 --> 00:48:50,536 from the gutter and turned them into millionaires. 974 00:48:50,623 --> 00:48:52,930 The thing about my life that I think, really, when you get 975 00:48:53,017 --> 00:48:58,326 down to it, is that I made all these disempowered kids 976 00:48:58,413 --> 00:49:00,372 into superstars. 977 00:49:00,459 --> 00:49:01,851 This is not a guy who deserves to be 978 00:49:01,939 --> 00:49:03,897 giving interviews of being an expert on something. 979 00:49:04,028 --> 00:49:05,333 In the book, I really show you 980 00:49:05,464 --> 00:49:08,554 a system that is about being 100% honest, integrous. 981 00:49:08,641 --> 00:49:11,383 Anyone who falls for that crap is an idiot. 982 00:49:11,470 --> 00:49:16,257 My life into itself serves as inspiration to people. 983 00:49:16,344 --> 00:49:20,087 Jordan affected and hurt a lot of people and no remorse. 984 00:49:20,174 --> 00:49:21,959 I guess I can say I'm proud that I was 985 00:49:22,046 --> 00:49:23,917 able to turn my life around. 986 00:49:24,004 --> 00:49:26,702 I see the same old Jordan. 987 00:49:26,789 --> 00:49:31,055 He has reinvented himself, but he really is, at his heart, 988 00:49:31,142 --> 00:49:32,056 just a salesman. 989 00:49:32,186 --> 00:49:33,492 My message is this. 990 00:49:33,579 --> 00:49:36,190 There's only one way to get rich, and that's quick. 991 00:49:36,321 --> 00:49:37,583 And he's just selling a different product now. 992 00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:38,845 And the product is Jordan. 993 00:49:40,629 --> 00:49:43,981 He went from felon to cooperator, 994 00:49:44,111 --> 00:49:46,940 and then he writes this book. 995 00:49:47,027 --> 00:49:51,249 Now he was the Leonardo DiCaprio guy in the movie, 996 00:49:51,336 --> 00:49:53,903 and then he becomes reincarnated as a celebrity. 997 00:49:57,211 --> 00:49:58,256 Only in America. 998 00:50:04,871 --> 00:50:09,006 ♪ I like the way you control everything ♪ 999 00:50:09,093 --> 00:50:11,878 ♪ I never stop from letting go ♪ 1000 00:50:11,965 --> 00:50:15,099 ♪ Never stop from letting go ♪ 1001 00:50:15,186 --> 00:50:17,666 ♪ You got me down on the floor ♪ 1002 00:50:17,753 --> 00:50:22,193 ♪ Oh, you've got me beggin' you for so much more ♪ 1003 00:50:22,323 --> 00:50:24,108 ♪ Beggin' you for so much more ♪ 1004 00:50:24,238 --> 00:50:25,544 ♪ 'Cause the way that you tease me ♪ 1005 00:50:25,674 --> 00:50:29,287 ♪ Keeps me holding on ♪ 1006 00:50:29,374 --> 00:50:30,723 ♪ And the way that you treat me ♪ 1007 00:50:30,810 --> 00:50:32,246 ♪ Brings me back for more ♪ 1008 00:50:32,333 --> 00:50:37,469 ♪ So come on, jump into the flames ♪ 1009 00:50:37,556 --> 00:50:42,256 ♪ And I just need to feel your fire ♪ 1010 00:50:42,343 --> 00:50:47,827 ♪ So come and jump into the flames ♪ 1011 00:50:47,914 --> 00:50:52,266 ♪ And I just need to feel your fire ♪ 1012 00:50:52,353 --> 00:50:57,663 ♪ So come and jump into the flames ♪ 1013 00:50:57,750 --> 00:51:02,711 ♪ And give in to your dark desires ♪ 1014 00:51:02,798 --> 00:51:09,370 ♪ So I can feel the heat on you ♪ 1015 00:51:13,157 --> 00:51:18,510 ♪ Come on and jump into the flames ♪ 1016 00:51:21,730 --> 00:51:26,083 ♪ Jump into the flames ♪ 77309

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