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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:06,089 hey there everybody 2 00:00:03,810 --> 00:00:09,240 this is Cameron with the C butters 3 00:00:06,089 --> 00:00:11,700 Channel and I get have been getting this 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:15,360 question a lot what should I buy the i5 5 00:00:11,700 --> 00:00:17,310 version or the i7 version so this is my 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:20,670 attempt to answer this question and in 7 00:00:17,310 --> 00:00:22,980 case you were wondering I am using the 8 00:00:20,670 --> 00:00:25,619 surface pro 7 currently to record this 9 00:00:22,980 --> 00:00:27,420 using the new studio microphones just as 10 00:00:25,619 --> 00:00:30,480 a test of how well these studio 11 00:00:27,420 --> 00:00:31,529 microphones work but let's go ahead and 12 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,469 get into it 13 00:00:31,529 --> 00:00:38,340 should you get the i5 version of the 14 00:00:34,469 --> 00:00:41,850 surface pro 7 or the i7 first let's take 15 00:00:38,340 --> 00:00:44,219 a look at the differences so on the i5 16 00:00:41,850 --> 00:00:47,129 version you're looking at a max boost 17 00:00:44,219 --> 00:00:51,030 rate on the processor of 3.7 gigahertz 18 00:00:47,129 --> 00:00:57,030 and that comes with a 6 megabyte l3 19 00:00:51,030 --> 00:01:00,180 cache a 1.05 GPU max 48 execution units 20 00:00:57,030 --> 00:01:02,430 on the GPU and the i5 is fanless and 21 00:01:00,180 --> 00:01:04,530 that does play a factor into your 22 00:01:02,430 --> 00:01:07,530 decision here which we'll get to in a 23 00:01:04,530 --> 00:01:11,850 little bit the i7 has a 3.9 gigahertz 24 00:01:07,530 --> 00:01:16,009 CPU max 8 megabyte l3 cache 1.1 25 00:01:11,850 --> 00:01:18,479 gigahertz CPU or GPU max and 64 26 00:01:16,009 --> 00:01:21,659 execution units and it does have an 27 00:01:18,479 --> 00:01:25,320 internal fan so those are the only 28 00:01:21,659 --> 00:01:28,110 differences between the CPUs let's go 29 00:01:25,320 --> 00:01:31,110 ahead and look at the price points so 30 00:01:28,110 --> 00:01:35,250 your decision on buying an i5 versus an 31 00:01:31,110 --> 00:01:36,960 i7 is really going to come down to your 32 00:01:35,250 --> 00:01:38,850 storage requirements because that's the 33 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:43,710 first thing going to start with to start 34 00:01:38,850 --> 00:01:47,040 if you need 16 gigabytes of RAM you're 35 00:01:43,710 --> 00:01:50,759 already going to be at $13.99 or if you 36 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:53,790 need 256 gigabytes of storage you are 37 00:01:50,759 --> 00:01:59,520 going to be at 1199 the i7 versions 38 00:01:53,790 --> 00:02:01,140 start at $14.99 over here so let's look 39 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,850 at the performance for starting on the 40 00:02:01,140 --> 00:02:08,099 performance steep the price point 41 00:02:02,850 --> 00:02:11,250 difference between stepping up from an 42 00:02:08,099 --> 00:02:13,740 i5 to an i7 well if you're someone who 43 00:02:11,250 --> 00:02:17,610 only needs 8 gigabytes of RAM 44 00:02:13,740 --> 00:02:19,640 and 128 gigabytes of disk space is you 45 00:02:17,610 --> 00:02:22,950 know slower disk space because it has 46 00:02:19,640 --> 00:02:25,650 less the less storage that SSD has the 47 00:02:22,950 --> 00:02:29,040 slower it goes in general that's a 48 00:02:25,650 --> 00:02:32,670 generalization but generally true so 49 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:35,250 you're asking for $600 more if you're 50 00:02:32,670 --> 00:02:38,810 someone who's okay with 8 gigs and 128 51 00:02:35,250 --> 00:02:43,080 so making that jump over to an i7 is a 52 00:02:38,810 --> 00:02:45,690 66% increase in price it's a $600 more 53 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,980 so that's that's kind of steep you know 54 00:02:45,690 --> 00:02:50,820 especially for your just if you're just 55 00:02:46,980 --> 00:02:54,200 looking to try to get into a pro 7 now 56 00:02:50,820 --> 00:02:59,400 if you say 128 is way too small into 256 57 00:02:54,200 --> 00:03:02,010 you're paying $300 more to step up to 58 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:04,050 that I seven which is a 25% increase in 59 00:03:02,010 --> 00:03:06,600 in price which is a little bit more 60 00:03:04,050 --> 00:03:10,950 palatable but if you're someone who 61 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:15,870 wants 16 gigabytes of RAM you're only 62 00:03:10,950 --> 00:03:18,690 looking at $100 to step up to the i7 so 63 00:03:15,870 --> 00:03:22,440 that's kind of our that represents a 7% 64 00:03:18,690 --> 00:03:25,830 increase in price and let's go ahead and 65 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:28,560 look at what does the i7 versus the I 66 00:03:25,830 --> 00:03:30,180 thought actually get you in terms of 67 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:34,590 performance and does that performance 68 00:03:30,180 --> 00:03:37,980 warrant $600 more $300 more or $100 more 69 00:03:34,590 --> 00:03:42,810 so let's scoot over to the performance 70 00:03:37,980 --> 00:03:44,760 Delta so if you watch my channel you 71 00:03:42,810 --> 00:03:46,080 know I'm the guy who like points a fan 72 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,060 at the back of the surface to get 73 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:51,000 maximum performance I have not done that 74 00:03:48,060 --> 00:03:52,620 in my benchmark testing for these 75 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:55,460 numbers I want to have real accurate 76 00:03:52,620 --> 00:03:57,810 figures for you guys so you can have it 77 00:03:55,460 --> 00:03:59,700 so you know that the numbers I'm giving 78 00:03:57,810 --> 00:04:03,120 you here or what you can expect to get 79 00:03:59,700 --> 00:04:07,680 without doing anything weird or crazy on 80 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:11,460 your device so that said I only have the 81 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:14,010 i7 in my possession so my i-5 figures 82 00:04:11,460 --> 00:04:17,070 are from the windows central review of 83 00:04:14,010 --> 00:04:19,500 the surface pro 7i 5 I'm relying on 84 00:04:17,070 --> 00:04:23,630 their benchmarking prowess where these 85 00:04:19,500 --> 00:04:27,120 numbers are ones that I did myself so 86 00:04:23,630 --> 00:04:32,210 let's go ahead and take a look 87 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:35,370 geek bench 5 single 1191 versus 1273 88 00:04:32,210 --> 00:04:38,490 deep bench 5 multi 4 4 or 4/1 89 00:04:35,370 --> 00:04:40,380 anyways I'll cut to the chase I'll go 90 00:04:38,490 --> 00:04:42,360 ahead and load up that that slide so 91 00:04:40,380 --> 00:04:45,930 geek bench 5 you've got a 7 percent 92 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:49,229 improvement and in the multi core test a 93 00:04:45,930 --> 00:04:52,199 9.2 percent improvement and a geek bench 94 00:04:49,229 --> 00:04:55,290 4 you've got a 7.5 percent improvement 95 00:04:52,199 --> 00:04:58,380 in the multi you got eleven point three 96 00:04:55,290 --> 00:05:00,450 percent proven PC mark 10 you pick up a 97 00:04:58,380 --> 00:05:03,620 15% improvement but that's because PC 98 00:05:00,450 --> 00:05:07,740 mark 10 does use some GPU accelerated 99 00:05:03,620 --> 00:05:11,430 tests but it's mostly it's mostly CPU 100 00:05:07,740 --> 00:05:15,380 and so I've separated these are the CPU 101 00:05:11,430 --> 00:05:20,610 benchmarks and these are the GPU 102 00:05:15,380 --> 00:05:22,380 benchmarks so let's look over at the GPU 103 00:05:20,610 --> 00:05:25,919 benchmarks where we see a pretty big 104 00:05:22,380 --> 00:05:31,350 difference so if you look at the geek 105 00:05:25,919 --> 00:05:38,850 bench 5 compute I 5 gets 7600 13 or the 106 00:05:31,350 --> 00:05:45,180 i7 it kind of creams it so it it has a 107 00:05:38,850 --> 00:05:50,490 37% improvement and 3dmark times pi has 108 00:05:45,180 --> 00:05:54,300 an improvement of 85% and you may be 109 00:05:50,490 --> 00:05:56,669 wondering okay well these these graphics 110 00:05:54,300 --> 00:06:00,000 are basically the same just one has 64 111 00:05:56,669 --> 00:06:04,200 execution units and the other one has 48 112 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:06,200 so if you have 64 divided by 48 you 113 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:09,510 should only have a 33 percent 114 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:12,000 improvement maximum and both of these 115 00:06:09,510 --> 00:06:14,880 figures are beating that 33% so what's 116 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:19,050 going on here well we talked about the 117 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:20,520 i-5 not having a fan a built-in fan not 118 00:06:19,050 --> 00:06:24,440 some weird fan that I put on the back 119 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:30,810 another it's passive I 5 is passive 120 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:35,250 where the i7 has active cooling I'm 121 00:06:30,810 --> 00:06:37,890 really enjoying my surface pen so my 122 00:06:35,250 --> 00:06:39,900 theory is that's where this is that's 123 00:06:37,890 --> 00:06:44,250 why we're seeing this performance 2 124 00:06:39,900 --> 00:06:47,790 because the i7 in our testing we've seen 125 00:06:44,250 --> 00:06:50,460 it kind of hangs out anywhere from 15 to 126 00:06:47,790 --> 00:06:54,120 25 Watts 127 00:06:50,460 --> 00:06:59,820 depending on how fresh it is my guess is 128 00:06:54,120 --> 00:07:02,220 the i-5 is set to 10 to 15 watts because 129 00:06:59,820 --> 00:07:05,250 I'm probably closer to 10 watts and 130 00:07:02,220 --> 00:07:08,070 that's because it doesn't have a fan you 131 00:07:05,250 --> 00:07:12,420 know it's passively cooled so Microsoft 132 00:07:08,070 --> 00:07:15,180 is gonna lock that down so because it's 133 00:07:12,420 --> 00:07:20,310 being throttled the i7 comes out ahead 134 00:07:15,180 --> 00:07:23,610 in these GPU benchmarks so if we look at 135 00:07:20,310 --> 00:07:25,740 the sum of all these parts we see that 136 00:07:23,610 --> 00:07:29,310 the average CPU advantage moving to an 137 00:07:25,740 --> 00:07:31,680 i7 versalife I've met you roughly a 10% 138 00:07:29,310 --> 00:07:39,350 performance increase for CPU related 139 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:43,910 functions and the GPU advantage is a 61% 140 00:07:39,350 --> 00:07:48,270 advantage so that's actually really huge 141 00:07:43,910 --> 00:07:51,960 I've in my performance testing of the i7 142 00:07:48,270 --> 00:07:55,320 it's it is a beast with the surface pro 143 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:57,990 7 those 64 execution units combined with 144 00:07:55,320 --> 00:08:01,200 a really good cooling solution really 145 00:07:57,990 --> 00:08:06,000 give it an edge and sustained workloads 146 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:10,020 so so we now know that we have kind of a 147 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:12,930 61% advantage in GPU capability and a 148 00:08:10,020 --> 00:08:16,950 10% advantage in CPU capability so let's 149 00:08:12,930 --> 00:08:21,570 go back and look at our our price points 150 00:08:16,950 --> 00:08:23,100 here so if you are just this guy if 151 00:08:21,570 --> 00:08:24,780 you're looking at you know what I don't 152 00:08:23,100 --> 00:08:28,290 have a lot of money I just want to get 153 00:08:24,780 --> 00:08:31,800 into a surface pro 7 I would recommend 154 00:08:28,290 --> 00:08:34,910 the pro 7 over the pro 6 even in the i5 155 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:37,680 version because it's got USB see it has 156 00:08:34,910 --> 00:08:39,930 Intel Wi-Fi it's just better all-around 157 00:08:37,680 --> 00:08:46,280 the intervals are completely redesigned 158 00:08:39,930 --> 00:08:48,840 the i-5 in the pro 7 is actually 159 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:51,960 outperforming in general the surface pro 160 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:53,600 6 I 7 version so the i-5 pro 7 is better 161 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:56,390 than the pro 6 162 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:59,990 sorry am I saying that right the i5 pro 163 00:08:56,390 --> 00:09:02,060 7 is better than the i7 pro 6 that's 164 00:08:59,990 --> 00:09:04,700 that's kind of hard to say so if you're 165 00:09:02,060 --> 00:09:07,030 this guy that $600 is is a hard pill to 166 00:09:04,700 --> 00:09:11,600 swallow but if you are a person who 167 00:09:07,030 --> 00:09:14,810 wants to use the GPU that still could be 168 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:18,650 viable you're you're gonna pay 66% more 169 00:09:14,810 --> 00:09:20,690 to get over here on the i7 but if you 170 00:09:18,650 --> 00:09:24,080 value GPU if you're gonna be using for 171 00:09:20,690 --> 00:09:28,370 gaming or sustained GPU workloads for 172 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:30,830 whatever reason it's you you're paying 173 00:09:28,370 --> 00:09:32,300 66% more but you're getting 61% more 174 00:09:30,830 --> 00:09:35,570 performance so that may or may not be 175 00:09:32,300 --> 00:09:41,720 worth it but if you're this guy who 176 00:09:35,570 --> 00:09:44,810 already needs the 256 and the 8 gig the 177 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:47,690 25% more that you're paying is well 178 00:09:44,810 --> 00:09:50,600 worth it if you are going to utilize 179 00:09:47,690 --> 00:09:53,600 that GPU if you are this guy right here 180 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:55,700 you just need to not buy the i-5 and you 181 00:09:53,600 --> 00:10:00,290 need to go straight over the i7 the the 182 00:09:55,700 --> 00:10:02,870 7% extra in price is is well worth it to 183 00:10:00,290 --> 00:10:05,480 get the i7 version so really what it 184 00:10:02,870 --> 00:10:08,540 comes down to is are you a person who is 185 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:13,550 gonna use the CPU or you person who's 186 00:10:08,540 --> 00:10:14,840 going to use the GPU heavily well I 187 00:10:13,550 --> 00:10:17,420 guess you're always going to be using 188 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:20,330 the GPU but are you going to be using 189 00:10:17,420 --> 00:10:23,960 the GPU do you want to play games do you 190 00:10:20,330 --> 00:10:29,120 want to do compute workloads do you want 191 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:32,960 to have an edge in certain applications 192 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:34,450 that utilize GPU that's for you to 193 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:40,570 decide 194 00:10:34,450 --> 00:10:45,950 but do know that if you want that GPU 195 00:10:40,570 --> 00:10:50,180 improvement the i7 is a much better bet 196 00:10:45,950 --> 00:10:52,730 for you so I'm not gonna say that you 197 00:10:50,180 --> 00:10:56,980 have to get the i7 but it it's 198 00:10:52,730 --> 00:10:59,600 definitely a very good value proposition 199 00:10:56,980 --> 00:11:02,240 for the extra performance that you're 200 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:06,350 getting and if you're already planning 201 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:07,370 to get this range on the 256 16 gig you 202 00:11:06,350 --> 00:11:10,640 may as well step right over 203 00:11:07,370 --> 00:11:13,280 so that's as good as I can I can help 204 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:15,500 you guys out it's always a personal 205 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:18,020 decision you know some people are only 206 00:11:15,500 --> 00:11:21,440 gonna have this much to spend 207 00:11:18,020 --> 00:11:22,730 and that's still money well worth it 208 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:26,360 we're obviously getting gouged 209 00:11:22,730 --> 00:11:28,790 especially in in these versions even i7 210 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:31,580 we're getting gouged a little bit but 211 00:11:28,790 --> 00:11:34,370 what are you gonna do hopefully you 212 00:11:31,580 --> 00:11:37,670 should apply your 10% student discount 213 00:11:34,370 --> 00:11:42,440 if you can and that should help ease the 214 00:11:37,670 --> 00:11:47,600 burden of buying a new service pro 7 215 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:51,850 device so anyways if this has been 216 00:11:47,600 --> 00:12:01,190 useful information to you be sure to 217 00:11:51,850 --> 00:12:03,250 thumbs up like and subscribe so thanks 218 00:12:01,190 --> 00:12:06,890 for watching my surface pro 7 219 00:12:03,250 --> 00:12:11,230 performance video on the i-5 versus the 220 00:12:06,890 --> 00:12:11,230 i7 we'll see you next time 16745

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