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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:14,520 Welcome to Barcelona. 2 00:00:14,860 --> 00:00:19,060 Almost 100,000 people here in the Nou Camp this evening. 3 00:00:19,340 --> 00:00:22,180 It really is an extraordinary atmosphere. 4 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,500 But you do wonder, is Fate now taking a hand in Manchester United's destiny? 5 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:36,620 They have made their own luck with their boldness and their adventure, but they 6 00:00:36,621 --> 00:00:41,160 have had just enough luck to stand here on the brink of history. 7 00:00:42,220 --> 00:00:47,620 It's the chance of a lifetime, a treble chance, the likes of which 8 00:00:47,621 --> 00:00:51,060 knowing this team has had before or may ever get again. 9 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:10,680 1992 is not a year on which I shall look back with undiluted pleasure. 10 00:01:10,960 --> 00:01:14,400 One of Manchester's busiest shopping streets, suddenly a living hell. 11 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,373 A bomb planted in bushes behind Kendall's house department 12 00:01:17,374 --> 00:01:19,700 store showered office workers with flying glass. 13 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,742 To smash the poll tax, and smash the Tories, and then 14 00:01:26,743 --> 00:01:29,620 the end to the end of this Tory government itself. 15 00:01:40,580 --> 00:01:43,120 I've only got one thing to say, it's nice to be back. 16 00:01:46,940 --> 00:01:48,300 I can't meet all this frustration. 17 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,780 I can't meet all my desires. 18 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,200 This strange conversation. 19 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,780 Self-control has just expired. 20 00:02:02,700 --> 00:02:05,420 All my delusions. 21 00:02:06,380 --> 00:02:10,320 Only in my head you don't exist. 22 00:02:11,220 --> 00:02:14,360 Who are you fooling? 23 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:19,500 Don't need a string for an exorcist. 24 00:02:19,860 --> 00:02:22,282 It's clear tonight that it is no longer a matter 25 00:02:22,283 --> 00:02:25,021 of weather, but when there is a world at all. 26 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:30,880 England's 27 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:39,640 shattered players arrive back at the hotel. 28 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,460 A few hours later, we once again saw the dark face of English football. 29 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,500 It has turned out to be an annus horribilis. 30 00:02:50,330 --> 00:02:55,340 A club of this size, one would expect, the platform, the stage, everything, 31 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,600 is geared to doing very, very well. 32 00:02:59,710 --> 00:03:02,720 And that very, very well means winning the league. 33 00:03:02,950 --> 00:03:05,760 The first thing I ever did at United was buy a map. 34 00:03:06,650 --> 00:03:09,120 I had the map at my wall at the cliff of Manchester. 35 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:10,880 And I got the scouts in. 36 00:03:11,105 --> 00:03:14,900 I just wanted to make sure that by getting the map, that all the areas were covered. 37 00:03:15,790 --> 00:03:17,510 I got all the scouts in, told them, I want the best 38 00:03:17,511 --> 00:03:19,461 ball in your team, not the best ball in the street. 39 00:03:20,190 --> 00:03:22,174 I was a Man United supporter, and it's extra 40 00:03:22,175 --> 00:03:24,020 special when you get a coaching job there. 41 00:03:24,595 --> 00:03:28,740 When Sir Alec took over, everybody realised that he wanted a vibrant youth system. 42 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:33,120 And he said to me, straight out, as typically Sir Alec does, he says, 43 00:03:33,180 --> 00:03:35,900 I'm not entirely satisfied with the youth system, you know. 44 00:03:36,555 --> 00:03:39,660 He'd only been there probably a few weeks or a month. 45 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,620 And I said, well, you know, we've had Norman Wise ride through, Mark Hughes 46 00:03:42,621 --> 00:03:45,500 through, and he looked at me with those steely eyes. 47 00:03:45,540 --> 00:03:46,780 He said, that's not enough. 48 00:03:46,781 --> 00:03:50,346 I said, do you know how many local scouts Manchester 49 00:03:50,347 --> 00:03:53,000 City have got and how many Manchester United have got? 50 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:54,620 When I told him, he was staggered. 51 00:03:54,765 --> 00:03:55,856 He was absolutely staggered. 52 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:57,360 We had only two scouts in Manchester. 53 00:03:58,490 --> 00:04:00,210 The whole of Manchester had only two scouts. 54 00:04:00,300 --> 00:04:01,300 Can you believe that? 55 00:04:01,980 --> 00:04:04,013 And if you think of the population in Greater 56 00:04:04,014 --> 00:04:05,820 Manchester, at that time it was 6 million. 57 00:04:06,195 --> 00:04:09,135 When I left Aberdeen, the population of Scotland at that time was 3. 58 00:04:09,136 --> 00:04:12,180 5 million people, and we had 17 scouts in Aberdeen. 59 00:04:12,810 --> 00:04:14,020 And I'm not exaggerating. 60 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,020 Within a month, it trebled. 61 00:04:16,021 --> 00:04:18,260 It troubled the scouting system at Manchester United. 62 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,400 And that's when we started getting the players. 63 00:04:37,330 --> 00:04:45,330 Chaps are smooth like wall Today's the day she snap To steal what she never could own 64 00:04:46,510 --> 00:04:49,930 And raise from this hole she can't solve 65 00:04:57,690 --> 00:04:59,210 What an absolute warrior. 66 00:04:59,310 --> 00:05:00,790 What a great player Nicky Butt was. 67 00:05:01,070 --> 00:05:03,670 Another Ryan Robson, without questioning. 68 00:05:03,930 --> 00:05:05,790 I think he nicknamed himself One Knock Butt. 69 00:05:06,110 --> 00:05:08,230 He said, Butt people, knock on my own side. 70 00:05:08,850 --> 00:05:10,658 I think lads were always a bit nervous about giving 71 00:05:10,682 --> 00:05:12,710 Butt his nickname, cos you know, he's gonna react. 72 00:05:12,930 --> 00:05:14,530 He's like, he might just give you a dig. 73 00:05:14,610 --> 00:05:15,770 You just don't mess with him. 74 00:05:17,170 --> 00:05:19,526 Scorsi was like the joker that got away with it all the time. 75 00:05:19,550 --> 00:05:21,510 We kind of nicknamed him the Ghost, you know. 76 00:05:21,530 --> 00:05:22,650 He'd just disappear at any moment. 77 00:05:22,651 --> 00:05:24,810 I know what Scorsi was like. 78 00:05:24,850 --> 00:05:25,850 He was a little rascal. 79 00:05:25,950 --> 00:05:29,490 And if somebody's underpants were missing, I knew it would be Paul Scorsi. 80 00:05:30,270 --> 00:05:35,310 You've got a kid who's smaller than most, he's got asthma, he's not the quickest, 81 00:05:35,630 --> 00:05:38,730 but the best player I've ever played with. 82 00:05:39,790 --> 00:05:40,790 Work that out. 83 00:05:43,930 --> 00:05:48,330 When I first saw Giggsy, I just saw this really skinny kid. 84 00:05:48,570 --> 00:05:49,970 There's no flashness to him. 85 00:05:50,110 --> 00:05:52,630 He's probably the most down-to-earth superstar I've ever seen. 86 00:05:52,650 --> 00:05:53,650 I've never met. 87 00:05:53,870 --> 00:05:57,010 At one minute, he can be the most serious man in the world, where he can be 88 00:05:57,011 --> 00:06:01,390 eyeballing somebody and really deep eyes staring at somebody, and then the next 89 00:06:01,391 --> 00:06:03,351 minute he can be dancing on the table doing Elvis. 90 00:06:04,430 --> 00:06:07,490 The thing that struck me early on about Becks was his appearance. 91 00:06:08,070 --> 00:06:10,210 You thought, he's too pretty to be a football player. 92 00:06:10,430 --> 00:06:11,790 That was his nickname, Pretty Boy. 93 00:06:11,850 --> 00:06:13,730 You just think he's a flash cockney. 94 00:06:13,850 --> 00:06:15,710 I used to call him Treacle. 95 00:06:16,250 --> 00:06:17,250 What, Treacle? 96 00:06:17,330 --> 00:06:18,950 No, just... That was his nickname. 97 00:06:19,395 --> 00:06:20,330 People still all know him. 98 00:06:20,350 --> 00:06:21,950 I still see him in his red... 99 00:06:23,050 --> 00:06:24,050 Let's go up Mexico. 100 00:06:24,250 --> 00:06:25,250 That's how I look at it. 101 00:06:27,410 --> 00:06:29,490 Busy brothers, busy one and two. 102 00:06:30,110 --> 00:06:31,250 Nervous Neville's. 103 00:06:31,570 --> 00:06:32,570 Nervous Neville's, yeah. 104 00:06:32,710 --> 00:06:34,490 He was a bit jittery on the ball at times. 105 00:06:34,770 --> 00:06:35,870 Gary and Phil could be. 106 00:06:36,410 --> 00:06:37,410 Not always, though. 107 00:06:38,110 --> 00:06:40,270 I think Freddie Flintoff on interviews has said that the 108 00:06:40,271 --> 00:06:42,671 best day of his cricket career was when Phil Neville retired. 109 00:06:42,845 --> 00:06:45,510 He then became the best all-rounder in Lancashire. 110 00:06:45,710 --> 00:06:46,630 He's just bubbly. 111 00:06:46,670 --> 00:06:47,970 He's always happy. 112 00:06:49,335 --> 00:06:51,070 Another difference from him and Gaz. 113 00:06:51,390 --> 00:06:52,390 Wow. 114 00:06:53,550 --> 00:06:54,890 Gary was a geek, wasn't he? 115 00:06:55,010 --> 00:06:59,110 He was always sorting things out and everyone started calling him Busy. 116 00:06:59,230 --> 00:07:02,630 Actually, Busy ****, we always used to call him Zzzzz. 117 00:07:03,230 --> 00:07:06,210 Every lad used to walk past me going, Zzzzz. 118 00:07:09,690 --> 00:07:14,030 I grew up in Bury, lived in a terraced house opposite a park. 119 00:07:14,350 --> 00:07:18,430 All I remember about being a kid is playing football, playing cricket at the 120 00:07:18,431 --> 00:07:21,770 cricket club, and massively about my dad taking me to United. 121 00:07:21,771 --> 00:07:25,950 I always remember the first time I went and I was absolutely mesmerised. 122 00:07:26,805 --> 00:07:28,561 You always thought next year would be our year, 123 00:07:28,562 --> 00:07:30,050 we'll win the league, we'll win the league. 124 00:07:30,430 --> 00:07:31,430 We never did. 125 00:07:32,020 --> 00:07:33,979 All I ever wanted to be was a football player and 126 00:07:34,029 --> 00:07:36,340 the only club I ever wanted to play at was United. 127 00:07:36,435 --> 00:07:39,175 Gary was one of them lads that, when you know him, you 128 00:07:39,275 --> 00:07:41,810 love him to death, he's a great lad, everyone likes him. 129 00:07:42,445 --> 00:07:45,285 When you don't know him, he has this persona of not being a nice person. 130 00:07:45,770 --> 00:07:47,547 I couldn't stand his guts when I was younger and all I was 131 00:07:47,548 --> 00:07:49,970 about to do was kick him when I played against his local team. 132 00:07:50,460 --> 00:07:51,750 Gary Neville was nothing like that. 133 00:07:51,751 --> 00:07:54,196 He was nowhere near as talented technically as 134 00:07:54,197 --> 00:07:56,190 the other boys and he won't mind me saying that. 135 00:07:56,410 --> 00:07:58,010 I always felt as though I had to work... 136 00:07:59,420 --> 00:08:03,950 extra all the time and just live and eat better than anybody all the time. 137 00:08:04,010 --> 00:08:05,490 I've given up on it a little bit now. 138 00:08:07,190 --> 00:08:12,190 I made a conscious decision at 16 when I left school that I couldn't continue to 139 00:08:12,191 --> 00:08:15,170 see the friends that I'd been friends with at school because I knew full well I would 140 00:08:15,171 --> 00:08:20,450 get drawn into doing things that 16 to 18-year-old lads did and I couldn't do it. 141 00:08:20,770 --> 00:08:21,670 I couldn't do it. 142 00:08:21,671 --> 00:08:22,791 I couldn't have any regrets. 143 00:08:23,050 --> 00:08:25,010 And he wanted to make himself a player. 144 00:08:25,030 --> 00:08:27,110 I didn't make him a player, he made himself a player. 145 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,190 Eric Harrison was a massive influence on me. 146 00:08:31,670 --> 00:08:32,870 He was just what I needed. 147 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:34,590 Took absolutely no ****. 148 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,170 Probably the in-boys would tell you about him at the window. 149 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:40,880 I don't know if that window had ever survived. 150 00:08:41,370 --> 00:08:44,770 He'd be upstairs at the cliff, and somebody would make a mistake and he'd 151 00:08:45,145 --> 00:08:47,170 batter on the window and they wouldn't look up. 152 00:08:47,770 --> 00:08:49,450 They were scared they'd be able to look up. 153 00:08:49,780 --> 00:08:52,786 But if they didn't see him out of the window, they knew he was on the way down. 154 00:08:52,810 --> 00:08:53,990 Oh, it was funny, it was... 155 00:08:54,390 --> 00:08:57,130 And I'd be in my next door and I could hear the window bat him. 156 00:08:57,680 --> 00:09:00,110 And I'd shake my head, kill myself laughing. 157 00:09:00,660 --> 00:09:02,370 I says, God help me, come in at half time. 158 00:09:02,820 --> 00:09:05,779 I remember my wife watching me one day, because she wanted 159 00:09:05,780 --> 00:09:08,151 to go to the Trafford Centre after the training session. 160 00:09:08,430 --> 00:09:11,470 And I got in the car, she was sat in the car, she said, you're a disgrace. 161 00:09:12,090 --> 00:09:13,090 I said, what do you mean? 162 00:09:13,250 --> 00:09:15,570 She said, you wouldn't do that to your children, would you? 163 00:09:16,210 --> 00:09:20,270 Eric has grounded them people and he's put into morals and treat people right. 164 00:09:20,330 --> 00:09:22,490 And I think... You know, if you're looking at... 165 00:09:22,715 --> 00:09:24,832 Beck's probably one of the biggest sporting stars 166 00:09:24,833 --> 00:09:26,831 in the world, you know, and he's still grounded. 167 00:09:27,020 --> 00:09:28,500 You know, we can thank Eric for that. 168 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,510 You've got to make those demands to be successful out there. 169 00:09:31,905 --> 00:09:35,090 And those who could cope with those demands played those who didn't. 170 00:09:35,410 --> 00:09:36,410 And that's football. 171 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,870 The one I was most disappointed was Raphael Burke. 172 00:09:39,850 --> 00:09:40,890 Supremely talented player. 173 00:09:40,970 --> 00:09:42,374 I wish he had have had that right attitude 174 00:09:42,375 --> 00:09:43,930 because he would have been the first team player. 175 00:09:44,610 --> 00:09:47,770 For me, I mean, I thought I was talented, but I didn't dedicate like these guys. 176 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,410 When people say, oh, what was Beck's like? 177 00:09:50,470 --> 00:09:53,010 Or what was... I say, well, the first thing is they sacrifice. 178 00:09:53,170 --> 00:09:57,330 If you're going to even have a tiny chance of being like them, if you don't practice 179 00:09:57,331 --> 00:09:59,930 or you don't sacrifice, you haven't got a chance. 180 00:10:00,245 --> 00:10:05,711 I mean, I'm a youth team captain of the class of 92 and he was a fantastic captain. 181 00:10:05,815 --> 00:10:10,470 Gary was the leader because if you saw Gary doing something different on the 182 00:10:10,471 --> 00:10:13,937 pitch after training, you know, it had me thinking, 183 00:10:13,938 --> 00:10:16,371 well, if he's doing it, I need to be doing something. 184 00:10:16,680 --> 00:10:18,320 You know, he was the captain of the team. 185 00:10:18,510 --> 00:10:20,870 So we always took on the mantle of looking after him. 186 00:10:20,890 --> 00:10:21,170 We looked after everyone. 187 00:10:21,665 --> 00:10:23,825 I thought he was the glue that held them lads together. 188 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:25,090 Like our dad, isn't he? 189 00:10:25,170 --> 00:10:26,170 Uncle Gary is. 190 00:10:26,950 --> 00:10:30,130 He does everything for us and that's just the way it is. 191 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:35,770 We phone each other up now and again and I just go like, ah, have you finished yet? 192 00:10:36,620 --> 00:10:38,930 Oh, dear me, he talks for England, he does, you know. 193 00:10:39,630 --> 00:10:40,670 Phil's not bad as well. 194 00:10:41,310 --> 00:10:43,810 Gaz and Phil would be like throwing balls up at each other. 195 00:10:44,050 --> 00:10:45,930 They'd be like, you know, jogging on the spot. 196 00:10:46,710 --> 00:10:48,926 Lads, relax, there's an hour to go, to go kick off, yeah? 197 00:10:48,950 --> 00:10:49,190 Relax. 198 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,856 If you laid back then, you're just sat there, 199 00:10:51,916 --> 00:10:53,470 just looking at them and just, what are you doing? 200 00:10:53,850 --> 00:10:54,670 What are you doing? 201 00:10:54,750 --> 00:10:55,891 And they were probably doing the same. 202 00:10:55,915 --> 00:10:58,590 You can probably just imagine them speaking to each other, Phil, have you seen these? 203 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:00,216 It's Cup final, look at them. 204 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:01,520 They're not even prepared right. 205 00:11:01,610 --> 00:11:02,250 We're prepared. 206 00:11:02,610 --> 00:11:03,610 Are you prepared? 207 00:11:03,710 --> 00:11:04,310 Yeah, I'm prepared. 208 00:11:04,450 --> 00:11:04,810 Yeah, right. 209 00:11:04,930 --> 00:11:05,550 Well, we're prepared. 210 00:11:05,770 --> 00:11:06,310 Never mind these. 211 00:11:06,650 --> 00:11:08,010 You know, you can just imagine it. 212 00:11:08,070 --> 00:11:09,606 That's what they were like from an early age. 213 00:11:09,630 --> 00:11:13,910 They were just all about the focus and it worked. 214 00:11:19,030 --> 00:11:21,370 I'd had two really bad experiences in the Youth Cup. 215 00:11:21,710 --> 00:11:24,210 I played as a schoolboy, we got beat in the semi-final. 216 00:11:24,310 --> 00:11:27,350 Played as a first-year apprentice, got knocked out in the semi-final. 217 00:11:27,710 --> 00:11:29,732 So I was desperate to win it, absolutely desperate, 218 00:11:29,733 --> 00:11:31,871 even though I'd played a few games in the first team. 219 00:11:33,410 --> 00:11:34,990 The football was so good, I think. 220 00:11:35,030 --> 00:11:37,650 It was just so enjoyable to play in that, you know, 221 00:11:37,750 --> 00:11:40,310 we'd be winning four, five, six-nil most weeks. 222 00:11:51,820 --> 00:11:55,540 One of the things that I remember is Buddy's overhead kick, you know. 223 00:11:58,100 --> 00:12:00,540 Didn't go in, but he got so excited about it. 224 00:12:01,460 --> 00:12:02,916 There was only going to be one result. 225 00:12:02,940 --> 00:12:05,740 With this team, it was just, you just knew. 226 00:12:13,030 --> 00:12:14,710 And that was a really tough game. 227 00:12:14,910 --> 00:12:18,530 But I mean, that was the biggest relief I've ever had in my life, to come off that 228 00:12:18,531 --> 00:12:20,170 field, winners of the Youth Cup, you know. 229 00:12:20,190 --> 00:12:22,710 And seeing them lift in the Youth Cup, it was sensational. 230 00:12:23,490 --> 00:12:28,210 But how many of these faces will we ever see in a Manchester United first team? 231 00:12:29,110 --> 00:12:31,070 They haven't won it for such a long time, I think. 232 00:12:31,310 --> 00:12:33,710 They were supposed to be babes who won it last time, I think. 233 00:12:34,530 --> 00:12:37,830 So there was a great optimism from everyone at the club, including the 234 00:12:37,831 --> 00:12:39,554 supporters, and particularly the supporters, 235 00:12:39,555 --> 00:12:41,831 who realised they were seeing something special. 236 00:12:43,290 --> 00:12:46,146 We went in changing rooms and the manager was there, the players were there, 237 00:12:46,170 --> 00:12:50,411 the first team players were there, all the staff was there, directors were there. 238 00:12:51,570 --> 00:12:54,134 It was massive, it was huge, and I put that 239 00:12:54,135 --> 00:12:56,370 medal alongside every other medal that I've made. 240 00:12:56,630 --> 00:12:59,430 I won't put it any higher, I won't put it any lower, it's on par with every single 241 00:12:59,431 --> 00:13:02,200 medal that I've ever won, because at the time, at 242 00:13:02,201 --> 00:13:04,130 16, 17, 18, it's the biggest medal you can win. 243 00:13:04,530 --> 00:13:07,530 We had a great team spirit, great bunch of lads, great coaches. 244 00:13:07,930 --> 00:13:10,526 We hadn't won it for a long time and we lifted the cup at Old Trafford, 245 00:13:10,550 --> 00:13:12,146 so we couldn't ask for much more, really. 246 00:13:12,170 --> 00:13:16,270 It was an achievement, but it's never enough to just win one trophy. 247 00:13:16,570 --> 00:13:19,810 OK, next year, we're going to do it again. 248 00:13:25,810 --> 00:13:27,486 The best time of my career was apprenticeship. 249 00:13:27,510 --> 00:13:29,117 You go to work every day together with your 250 00:13:29,118 --> 00:13:31,571 mates, you've got no cares in the world, just fun. 251 00:13:31,805 --> 00:13:34,756 You knew you was good, you knew you was better than most team you played against. 252 00:13:34,780 --> 00:13:36,530 But they were the best times in my career. 253 00:13:36,690 --> 00:13:37,690 I can still say that now. 254 00:13:38,390 --> 00:13:39,650 I can still say that now. 255 00:13:40,970 --> 00:13:42,050 No joking, lads. 256 00:13:43,950 --> 00:13:44,670 I'll say no. 257 00:13:44,930 --> 00:13:45,930 CHEERING 258 00:13:50,210 --> 00:13:54,190 What happened with Clifford and his kids was the older apprentices, or the 259 00:13:54,191 --> 00:13:57,050 first-year pros, would always, you know... 260 00:13:58,620 --> 00:14:02,130 ..get older, the first-year apprentices, which was us, do all sorts of things, 261 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,280 and most of the things are unspeakable. 262 00:14:04,465 --> 00:14:08,110 It was the end of that era where it was just a dumb thing, where... 263 00:14:08,540 --> 00:14:11,430 ..part of your initiation, part of your growing-up process, your toughening-up 264 00:14:11,431 --> 00:14:14,530 process, was to put you in situations that you didn't like. 265 00:14:14,710 --> 00:14:17,850 They put me in a kit bag and padlocked it up once and put me on a bus. 266 00:14:18,630 --> 00:14:21,390 And then did the same in schools a week later and... 267 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,210 Nicky went small, but I was tiny, so I'd fit in quite easily. 268 00:14:24,700 --> 00:14:27,570 And you'd end up, like, smacking the bag like this and you'd be... 269 00:14:28,170 --> 00:14:29,670 ..in the middle of Old Trafford in the laundry, 270 00:14:29,671 --> 00:14:31,970 getting put out, so it unlocked and sent back. 271 00:14:32,700 --> 00:14:35,460 At dinner times, you just knew when you've had your dinner, that's it. 272 00:14:35,570 --> 00:14:35,850 The... 273 00:14:36,570 --> 00:14:38,370 ..the second years were going absolutely trash. 274 00:14:38,371 --> 00:14:39,110 We'd try and abuse him. 275 00:14:39,130 --> 00:14:40,746 We just all used to go and hide somewhere. 276 00:14:40,770 --> 00:14:42,250 I think we used to hide in a big gym. 277 00:14:42,410 --> 00:14:45,595 When it comes to the initiations, a lot of people, 278 00:14:45,596 --> 00:14:48,090 it would be over in 20 seconds, 15 seconds. 279 00:14:49,330 --> 00:14:51,286 They would just go... They would just do something stupid. 280 00:14:51,310 --> 00:14:53,866 You get a round of, like, it was brilliant, you get a round of applause, 281 00:14:53,890 --> 00:14:55,570 right, you don't have to do anything again. 282 00:14:56,860 --> 00:15:01,390 There would be the odd player who wouldn't do it or didn't want to do it or would do 283 00:15:01,391 --> 00:15:04,290 it rubbish, and then you would be... You'd be on them. 284 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,530 There's one time they put scores in the dryer, and... 285 00:15:08,300 --> 00:15:10,790 I don't know if they turned it on, but they shut the door and they might have 286 00:15:10,791 --> 00:15:12,471 just turned it on and off like that, quick. 287 00:15:12,970 --> 00:15:14,655 I think he had a panic attack, I think, but it 288 00:15:14,656 --> 00:15:16,730 wouldn't be with a big old industrial dryer as well. 289 00:15:16,790 --> 00:15:18,470 I think that's what brought his asthma on. 290 00:15:19,550 --> 00:15:21,290 Oh, the nightclub scene was the best. 291 00:15:21,570 --> 00:15:22,650 You had to chat someone up. 292 00:15:23,090 --> 00:15:24,326 I had to do that with you once. 293 00:15:24,350 --> 00:15:24,990 Chat them up? 294 00:15:25,030 --> 00:15:25,210 Yeah. 295 00:15:25,790 --> 00:15:29,650 It wasn't my greatest skill when I was a young kid, chatting girls up. 296 00:15:31,210 --> 00:15:34,870 I had to perform sexual actions to Clayton Blackmore's calendar. 297 00:15:35,930 --> 00:15:36,290 Oh! 298 00:15:36,291 --> 00:15:36,990 On the bed? 299 00:15:37,210 --> 00:15:38,210 On the bed. 300 00:15:38,835 --> 00:15:39,955 Yeah, that was my worst one. 301 00:15:40,630 --> 00:15:45,030 The boot polish as well on the... I had a boot polish number put on the back of my... 302 00:15:45,031 --> 00:15:45,550 The bongs. 303 00:15:45,690 --> 00:15:46,730 With a spoon in the mouth. 304 00:15:46,930 --> 00:15:47,790 Did they dry the kit on you? 305 00:15:47,870 --> 00:15:48,550 I'm not sure about that. 306 00:15:48,650 --> 00:15:49,890 I'm not sure who did it, but... 307 00:15:50,490 --> 00:15:51,250 Do you know what I mean? 308 00:15:51,290 --> 00:15:51,630 It was you. 309 00:15:51,730 --> 00:15:52,730 It was you. 310 00:15:52,870 --> 00:15:54,226 I don't know why you're here, anyway. 311 00:15:54,250 --> 00:15:55,570 Hey, and look how you turned out. 312 00:15:56,470 --> 00:15:57,830 No, I didn't... I didn't enjoy it. 313 00:15:58,390 --> 00:16:01,130 LAUGHTER You were... You was horrible, Big Z. 314 00:16:01,230 --> 00:16:01,730 I hated him. 315 00:16:01,770 --> 00:16:02,150 You was horrible. 316 00:16:02,570 --> 00:16:05,137 It made you sorry, it made you hard, it made you tough, it 317 00:16:05,138 --> 00:16:07,490 made you not be scared of looking a fool in front of you. 318 00:16:07,510 --> 00:16:09,066 Not be scared of asking your friends, not be scared of, 319 00:16:09,067 --> 00:16:12,750 you know, saying things out loud in front of older players. 320 00:16:12,950 --> 00:16:14,390 So, although it probably... 321 00:16:14,690 --> 00:16:19,490 Nowadays, the club class is bullying, it was a massive part of becoming a player 322 00:16:19,491 --> 00:16:21,730 at the club, because, you know, if you're a 20-year-old lad and 323 00:16:21,731 --> 00:16:24,416 something's wrong on the pitch, if you've not got the bollocks to go and 324 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,210 say it to these other players, then you've got no chance of making it Man United. 325 00:16:27,510 --> 00:16:32,690 Even though I hated it, and it used to make me ill, I still think there's part of 326 00:16:32,691 --> 00:16:35,870 that old-school values and that toughening-up process that the kids 327 00:16:35,871 --> 00:16:42,630 nowadays I'm happy that us lot came through at that time, because when we came 328 00:16:42,631 --> 00:16:46,790 into being reserve team players, we were the players that stopped it. 329 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,850 We were the players that kind of knew it wasn't 330 00:16:49,851 --> 00:16:52,931 right to do, you know, these kind of things. 331 00:16:53,450 --> 00:16:54,450 And it stopped. 332 00:16:55,980 --> 00:17:00,010 Having coaches like Nobby that had done what he'd done in football, and then 333 00:17:00,011 --> 00:17:04,670 moving up to having someone like Eric, you know, and having the manager around us 334 00:17:04,671 --> 00:17:10,190 all the time, playing at the cliff like we play, and then having players like Brian 335 00:17:10,191 --> 00:17:12,233 Robson come into the A-team and playing games like 336 00:17:12,234 --> 00:17:15,530 that, I don't think there's many teams that do that. 337 00:17:15,730 --> 00:17:19,003 For me, that's my best moment at the cliff, having Brian 338 00:17:19,004 --> 00:17:21,510 Robson play in the A-team game with me, next to me. 339 00:17:21,730 --> 00:17:22,370 That's great. 340 00:17:22,510 --> 00:17:25,730 When they come, Brian Robson and all that, come and watch your team play, 341 00:17:25,830 --> 00:17:29,930 or watch the team's practice and all that business, what a confidence boot. 342 00:17:30,475 --> 00:17:34,070 We probably learnt how we need to look after our players. 343 00:17:34,130 --> 00:17:35,490 He was the one who taught us that. 344 00:17:35,550 --> 00:17:39,830 I always remember, I think, we were playing Oldham, I think, one day. 345 00:17:40,220 --> 00:17:43,269 I remember Ben Thornley, the left winger, got 346 00:17:43,270 --> 00:17:45,910 absolutely battered off the Oldham right-back. 347 00:17:46,260 --> 00:17:48,690 And I can still see it now, and it sickens me now. 348 00:17:49,675 --> 00:17:54,090 Ben got a crossing and the lad just went like that with his boot, with his studs 349 00:17:54,091 --> 00:17:57,110 and all that business, and he's straight down. 350 00:17:57,780 --> 00:18:00,890 You know, Robbo was playing in that game, we went up to the guy who did it, 351 00:18:00,970 --> 00:18:04,130 he just put his finger up like that, I remember him waving his finger like 352 00:18:04,131 --> 00:18:09,230 that, and the lad came up, and I told him two words, and the last one was off. 353 00:18:10,260 --> 00:18:11,410 And I thought, you're dead. 354 00:18:12,070 --> 00:18:14,850 And Robbo just went over and absolutely steamrolled him. 355 00:18:15,270 --> 00:18:19,470 Not illegally, but hitting him really hard, which is the typical Brian Robson tackle. 356 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,550 Oh, I'm sure to enforce that. 357 00:18:24,540 --> 00:18:27,630 But Robbo was a fantastic person for them too, you know. 358 00:18:28,210 --> 00:18:30,010 He had a wonderful way with the young players. 359 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:31,320 They all idolised him. 360 00:18:31,420 --> 00:18:34,610 I think we all looked around at each other, and we all smiled, because... 361 00:18:35,500 --> 00:18:38,626 you know, being looked after by someone like Brian 362 00:18:38,627 --> 00:18:41,196 Robson, you know, it doesn't get much better than that. 363 00:18:41,220 --> 00:18:42,370 That was a brilliant clip, wasn't it? 364 00:18:42,371 --> 00:18:45,470 We were all... We used to rock the Sparky, Robbo, Inter. 365 00:18:46,150 --> 00:18:47,870 You know, these were your heroes growing up. 366 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:52,470 There's only the winners in the team, but then, like, the success that we had as 367 00:18:52,471 --> 00:18:55,630 a youth team and the A team, like you say, brought that in as well. 368 00:18:55,730 --> 00:18:56,730 It was a habit. 369 00:18:56,865 --> 00:18:58,230 A lot of football's up here. 370 00:18:59,075 --> 00:19:01,716 You know, people talk about skill, obviously it's important, 371 00:19:01,717 --> 00:19:03,910 and technical ability and understanding and tactics. 372 00:19:04,660 --> 00:19:08,650 But also the mental strength to know that basically, you know, those opponents that 373 00:19:08,651 --> 00:19:10,424 you're playing against, they know they're in 374 00:19:10,425 --> 00:19:12,130 for a massive fight here to win this match. 375 00:19:12,545 --> 00:19:15,545 All the lads that came through the ranks under Eric Harris and Nobby Styles, 376 00:19:15,900 --> 00:19:18,420 you know, Nobby Styles would say, just get wired into everybody, 377 00:19:18,530 --> 00:19:19,930 you know, just get stuck in. 378 00:19:20,420 --> 00:19:23,870 And that was the message he was giving to us as 14, 15, 16-year-olds. 379 00:19:24,420 --> 00:19:25,700 You know, we've passed the ball. 380 00:19:25,765 --> 00:19:27,526 We'll make sure you don't lose any battles out there. 381 00:19:27,550 --> 00:19:28,550 You win that fight. 382 00:19:30,410 --> 00:19:34,590 MUSIC PLAYS MUSIC FADES MUSIC FADES MUSIC FADES 383 00:19:41,260 --> 00:19:46,200 We've got to remember that in the sort of 60s, 70s and 80s, you know, Liverpool had 384 00:19:46,201 --> 00:19:50,880 an incredible time, you know, in music, football, and I suppose in some ways this 385 00:19:50,881 --> 00:19:53,600 last 20 years has been Manchester's time, the 386 00:19:53,601 --> 00:19:56,080 Stone Roses, Oasis, United winning the league. 387 00:19:56,320 --> 00:20:00,100 But the two cities have got a lot of similarities, the spirit and fight, 388 00:20:00,220 --> 00:20:01,980 the honesty and integrity of the people. 389 00:20:02,580 --> 00:20:03,980 There's a tribalness to it. 390 00:20:04,060 --> 00:20:05,060 Why shouldn't there be? 391 00:20:05,460 --> 00:20:06,460 MUSIC FADES 392 00:20:12,100 --> 00:20:13,100 MUSIC FADES 393 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:26,420 MUSIC CONTINUES When was your first goal, Lee? 394 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:27,980 Gal grain taster-ware, I. 395 00:20:28,220 --> 00:20:28,700 Was it? 396 00:20:28,820 --> 00:20:29,220 Ah, yeah. 397 00:20:29,380 --> 00:20:30,636 Was that our scuff into the corner? 398 00:20:30,660 --> 00:20:32,360 Yeah, proper scuff. 399 00:20:32,980 --> 00:20:33,980 When was your score, Lee? 400 00:20:34,260 --> 00:20:35,260 I'm trying to think. 401 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,320 Do you remember you used to play at all? 402 00:20:39,321 --> 00:20:41,321 Oh, have you just completely forgotten our address? 403 00:20:41,460 --> 00:20:46,120 In the A-Team games, we used to come up against all the teams around the country. 404 00:20:46,980 --> 00:20:52,000 But obviously, when we played against Liverpool, those were the big games. 405 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,760 I was about 16 and we played against Liverpool at the Cliff. 406 00:20:55,300 --> 00:20:58,080 And their team with Alan Hansen was playing, coming back from injury. 407 00:20:59,310 --> 00:21:00,310 Sammy Lee played. 408 00:21:00,890 --> 00:21:03,250 You should have knew that we were good enough then, I think. 409 00:21:03,490 --> 00:21:05,400 And they had a really good side out. 410 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,560 And I mean, Liverpool don't like getting beat by Man Utd. 411 00:21:08,561 --> 00:21:09,760 Even at tiddlywinks, do they? 412 00:21:09,950 --> 00:21:12,100 And they beat them 6-1 at the Cliff, you know? 413 00:21:12,750 --> 00:21:14,310 I think Scoles just scored a hat-trick. 414 00:21:14,500 --> 00:21:16,640 Probably did beat Liverpool a few times, 4 or 5-0. 415 00:21:17,580 --> 00:21:18,580 Which was nice. 416 00:21:19,510 --> 00:21:23,900 I think the frustrating thing growing up as well is Liverpool was such a great team. 417 00:21:23,980 --> 00:21:24,880 They were a great team. 418 00:21:24,900 --> 00:21:25,900 They had great players. 419 00:21:26,420 --> 00:21:27,540 And that just made it worse. 420 00:21:27,860 --> 00:21:29,580 I just hated them because they were so good. 421 00:21:29,810 --> 00:21:31,050 They played brilliant football. 422 00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:32,060 They played the right way. 423 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:32,820 They had great players. 424 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:33,920 They played a good system. 425 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,420 To watch that mob down the road... 426 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,960 Just to be head and shoulders above everybody else in the league, in Europe... 427 00:21:44,490 --> 00:21:45,580 It was really difficult. 428 00:21:45,860 --> 00:21:49,980 I remember watching the World Club Championship. 429 00:21:51,150 --> 00:21:52,150 And I was buzzing. 430 00:21:52,540 --> 00:21:53,640 It was Flamengo, Liverpool. 431 00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:55,660 Flamengo battered them 3-0. 432 00:21:56,205 --> 00:21:57,220 And Zico scored. 433 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,080 I must have been about 10. 434 00:21:59,300 --> 00:22:02,940 And I was flipping, dancing round the living room. 435 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,400 Flipping Liverpool just got beat. 436 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:05,480 But... 437 00:22:05,810 --> 00:22:07,620 I think all things considered... 438 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,080 You play the long game with Manchester United Football Club. 439 00:22:12,340 --> 00:22:16,040 And these people end up getting knocked off the perches. 440 00:22:16,260 --> 00:22:17,800 I remember the 1999 season. 441 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:18,860 January. 442 00:22:19,360 --> 00:22:19,780 Liverpool. 443 00:22:20,220 --> 00:22:20,960 In the FA Cup. 444 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:22,080 In the FA Cup. 445 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:23,580 1-0 down, weren't we? 446 00:22:23,780 --> 00:22:24,000 Yeah. 447 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:24,880 What, five minutes ago? 448 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:26,900 Michael scored to them, didn't he? 449 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:27,420 Michael Owen? 450 00:22:27,700 --> 00:22:28,120 Yeah. 451 00:22:28,340 --> 00:22:29,520 That was my follow as well. 452 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:32,620 Just got a cross in. 453 00:22:32,660 --> 00:22:33,260 Just couldn't get it in. 454 00:22:33,340 --> 00:22:33,440 I remember. 455 00:22:33,820 --> 00:22:35,320 You left your run. 456 00:22:35,340 --> 00:22:36,540 I think you played me as well. 457 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:37,300 Again. 458 00:22:37,301 --> 00:22:39,260 I always remember the goals I give away, Mick. 459 00:22:40,820 --> 00:22:42,140 He's had many of them, hasn't he? 460 00:22:43,300 --> 00:22:45,440 I thought that was the best atmosphere of the season. 461 00:22:46,060 --> 00:22:46,740 To be fair. 462 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:46,960 Yeah. 463 00:22:47,060 --> 00:22:47,380 Yeah. 464 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,000 That last couple of minutes here. 465 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:50,720 That's when it all started, I think. 466 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,598 I think the beginning of the season, 1998-99, I 467 00:23:00,599 --> 00:23:02,240 don't think it was any different to any other season. 468 00:23:02,420 --> 00:23:04,500 We knew we had a good team, a good squad. 469 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,040 We expected to go on and do well. 470 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,660 Our form was inconsistent in the early parts of the season. 471 00:23:08,740 --> 00:23:09,740 We were conceding goals. 472 00:23:09,940 --> 00:23:10,780 We were exciting. 473 00:23:10,781 --> 00:23:12,196 The attacking football was brilliant. 474 00:23:12,220 --> 00:23:14,100 But we were still conceding goals in the league. 475 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,880 But then turn of Christmas, the FA Cup against Liverpool. 476 00:23:19,180 --> 00:23:20,380 What a game that was. 477 00:23:21,700 --> 00:23:24,060 And then it just seemed to snowball from there. 478 00:23:26,380 --> 00:23:29,480 You know, the season hasn't been all Manchester United had hoped for. 479 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:30,560 Not so far. 480 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,060 But an FA Cup tie against what is a young Liverpool team. 481 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:35,660 The stage should change that. 482 00:23:36,100 --> 00:23:37,100 1-0 down. 483 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,020 Four minutes, five minutes to go. 484 00:23:39,180 --> 00:23:40,580 A few minutes ago, they took points. 485 00:23:40,581 --> 00:23:40,900 They took points off. 486 00:23:41,020 --> 00:23:41,840 And Paul had played for me. 487 00:23:41,980 --> 00:23:42,660 And he worked over him. 488 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:43,160 He had had to me. 489 00:23:43,300 --> 00:23:47,100 You know, winding me up just wasn't vicious. 490 00:23:47,260 --> 00:23:49,260 I was just, you know, incy being incy. 491 00:23:49,580 --> 00:23:50,600 We made a substitution. 492 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,140 I could go on and score a score. 493 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,340 Beckham may just take this off. 494 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,460 Lifted towards the head of Cole. 495 00:23:57,740 --> 00:23:58,320 And yes! 496 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:03,380 When you're 1-0 down and you score that equaliser, you know it's coming. 497 00:24:03,860 --> 00:24:04,860 Into Cole again. 498 00:24:05,220 --> 00:24:06,580 May break for Scholes. 499 00:24:06,780 --> 00:24:07,780 Sword shot! 500 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:10,400 I was on the bench. 501 00:24:10,401 --> 00:24:13,340 And whenever I was on the bench, I was a fan. 502 00:24:13,540 --> 00:24:14,380 I wasn't a sub. 503 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:15,560 I was in the case stand. 504 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:16,800 I was singing the songs. 505 00:24:16,860 --> 00:24:17,420 I was up. 506 00:24:17,460 --> 00:24:18,460 I was at it. 507 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:19,260 Shirt was off. 508 00:24:19,380 --> 00:24:20,080 Track suit was off. 509 00:24:20,140 --> 00:24:22,720 I wanted to dive onto their bench and just celebrate. 510 00:24:22,980 --> 00:24:28,220 To look over to a bench that thought they'd won a game and they've lost it is 511 00:24:28,221 --> 00:24:30,020 the greatest feeling in the whole wide world. 512 00:24:30,180 --> 00:24:32,630 You know, for us to come back and score two late 513 00:24:32,631 --> 00:24:34,680 goals, it sort of set the tone of the season. 514 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:39,860 And it was, for me, it was the turning point that teams knew that no matter what 515 00:24:39,861 --> 00:24:41,600 the score was, we'd still come back at home. 516 00:24:42,420 --> 00:24:45,760 It's at the back of their mind that they always come back these. 517 00:24:46,135 --> 00:24:52,200 That season, the Liverpool game, we knew we'd score late. 518 00:24:52,540 --> 00:24:54,240 And the opposition knew we'd score late. 519 00:24:54,900 --> 00:24:58,020 And you know what it's like if you think against United, it all suffers. 520 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,440 It's amazing because you've played at Newcastle and you've been out. 521 00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:06,260 When you're out on Man United and there's like 20 minutes to go and it's 2-0 up, 522 00:25:06,780 --> 00:25:08,700 you're at other teams and they say, oh, game over. 523 00:25:08,701 --> 00:25:11,201 And you've probably said it to lads, no, this is Man 524 00:25:11,202 --> 00:25:13,581 United, they're going to come back, they'll win this 3-2. 525 00:25:13,900 --> 00:25:15,060 More often than not, they do. 526 00:25:15,260 --> 00:25:18,740 All the bosses' teams always came back, didn't they? 527 00:25:19,020 --> 00:25:22,280 Bruce's goals to win the league first time, they always had that. 528 00:25:22,340 --> 00:25:23,500 They went right to the end. 529 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,121 I think it's fitness but also keeping 530 00:25:25,133 --> 00:25:26,980 possession and Old Trafford being a big pitch. 531 00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:30,310 I think our biggest strength is we're all Man United fans, aren't we? 532 00:25:30,610 --> 00:25:32,236 It ultimately comes from the gaffer, doesn't it, really? 533 00:25:32,260 --> 00:25:32,520 Definitely. 534 00:25:32,740 --> 00:25:34,300 It ultimately comes from him, isn't it? 535 00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:36,630 What he demands of you, what he demands he puts on you. 536 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,320 You think... We will get one more chance. 537 00:25:39,660 --> 00:25:39,920 Yeah. 538 00:25:40,610 --> 00:25:41,610 You get one more chance. 539 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,120 You might not score, but we will get one more chance. 540 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,340 And we always, if we equalise, we always try and get the second one. 541 00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:48,360 And the third. 542 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:49,520 It's never enough. 543 00:25:50,260 --> 00:25:52,840 You win a league and that's not enough. 544 00:25:52,980 --> 00:25:54,751 Next year you've got to win a league and double. 545 00:25:54,775 --> 00:26:00,360 I think that was a bridge in us from youth team level, from B team, from A team, 546 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:01,480 from reserve team. 547 00:26:01,590 --> 00:26:03,100 That was put in us, I think. 548 00:26:04,940 --> 00:26:06,620 The story for Manchester United was great. 549 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:11,560 It was great players. 550 00:26:13,650 --> 00:26:18,480 Yeah, we could feel like the ghosts. 551 00:26:24,990 --> 00:26:27,875 I remember walking the corridors up to the manager's 552 00:26:27,876 --> 00:26:31,440 office at Old Trafford and the smell of Matt Busby's pipe. 553 00:26:32,495 --> 00:26:35,715 You just knew there was a big presence about 554 00:26:35,716 --> 00:26:38,760 him still there and you just walked past and... 555 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:40,440 You might see him now and again. 556 00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:42,320 The door would always be open. 557 00:26:42,620 --> 00:26:45,067 And I look back now and think, you know, we should have 558 00:26:45,068 --> 00:26:47,136 gone in more and talked to him more, but you were scared. 559 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,660 This was like a god. 560 00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:53,840 There were two, like, big, important books in our family. 561 00:26:53,980 --> 00:26:57,680 One was a massive Bible and the other book was the photo album, you know, 562 00:26:57,940 --> 00:27:01,580 like, black and white photos of us as little kids and with a, you know, 563 00:27:02,060 --> 00:27:04,820 big extended family around the area and all that kind of stuff. 564 00:27:05,935 --> 00:27:09,500 Biggest picture in that book, at the back, was the Busby Babes. 565 00:27:10,990 --> 00:27:14,860 On the fringe of a Munich airport lies the wreckage of an airliner still smouldering 566 00:27:14,861 --> 00:27:17,440 from a crash in which 21 people were killed. 567 00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:20,900 Oh, I heard it at school. 568 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,280 I heard that news at school and I was crying my eyes out at school. 569 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,220 You know, and me and the teacher took me into another room. 570 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,420 I was that emotional about it, you know. 571 00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:31,740 And I thought, they can't be dead. 572 00:27:32,260 --> 00:27:35,600 The teacher said to me, he said, Eric, I'm sorry, they are. 573 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,827 MUSIC PLAYS I think probably 17, 18 when we won the 574 00:27:39,828 --> 00:27:43,140 Youth Cup, the Busby Babe comparison started to come out. 575 00:27:43,980 --> 00:27:45,860 You've got big footsteps to follow here. 576 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,474 You've got lads who were young men just wanting to 577 00:27:49,475 --> 00:27:52,481 play football, wanting to dream like we're dreaming. 578 00:27:53,700 --> 00:27:56,240 Their legacy is enormous. 579 00:27:56,380 --> 00:28:00,140 Everything you see there at that club today is built out of that tragedy and 580 00:28:00,141 --> 00:28:05,200 Samat Busby's determination to grow another team, to rebound, to go again. 581 00:28:05,740 --> 00:28:09,600 Obviously, what he created, what he created at Manchester United led to what 582 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,720 the boss had created at Manchester United and what, you know, we were part of. 583 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:16,440 And you feel that. 584 00:28:17,220 --> 00:28:21,440 The most important part of the history was Matt Busby's introduction of young people. 585 00:28:22,110 --> 00:28:23,540 That was uppermost in my thoughts. 586 00:28:24,340 --> 00:28:28,077 To recreate the history which was started by Matt Busby 587 00:28:28,078 --> 00:28:30,661 and I thought that was a perfect football club for me. 588 00:28:43,100 --> 00:28:44,700 I was born in Cardiff. 589 00:28:44,701 --> 00:28:46,656 My dad played rugby, three-time professional for 590 00:28:46,657 --> 00:28:49,640 Swinton, so I moved to Manchester when I was seven. 591 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,540 Everyone on my street was United fans and I used to go watch them, Stretford End, 592 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,446 United Road, go with my mates, catch the match bus at 593 00:28:58,447 --> 00:29:00,936 26, try and climb over the fence and get in for nothing. 594 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,100 You know, all that sort of stuff, as a United fan, I used to do. 595 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,640 First time I'd seen him play, I was like, oh, my God, what have I just seen? 596 00:29:09,370 --> 00:29:11,570 If that's the standard that we have to get to, I'm done. 597 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,000 I'm finished. 598 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:13,820 What's the point? 599 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:14,380 You know what I mean? 600 00:29:14,420 --> 00:29:15,800 Go back to Bury. 601 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,320 Kick your little ball against the wall. 602 00:29:18,820 --> 00:29:21,900 Just get off this pitch away from him, because, honestly, he was unbelievable. 603 00:29:23,060 --> 00:29:24,100 Ryan Wilson again. 604 00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:26,480 He is Salford's star man. 605 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,020 That's a terrific pass from Wynwood. 606 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:30,800 Oh, it's a marvellous goal. 607 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,236 We were nowhere near him, do you know what I mean? 608 00:29:32,260 --> 00:29:35,180 We weren't even in the same bracket as him. 609 00:29:35,181 --> 00:29:38,700 I always remember when we signed his 14th battle, we were playing Arsenal. 610 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,773 And we signed in my office, upstairs, and 611 00:29:42,774 --> 00:29:46,241 George Green would come in for a cup of tea. 612 00:29:47,020 --> 00:29:51,157 And after Ryan and his mum left, I says, he'll be a 613 00:29:51,158 --> 00:29:53,840 great player in the United's first team in three years. 614 00:29:54,620 --> 00:29:55,900 So George says, what's the name? 615 00:29:55,940 --> 00:29:56,940 I says, Ryan Wilson. 616 00:29:58,630 --> 00:30:00,860 So a few years later, we're playing Arsenal again. 617 00:30:01,750 --> 00:30:03,960 And George was having a little bit of a go, actually. 618 00:30:03,961 --> 00:30:06,020 He says, well, up to that boy Ryan Wilson. 619 00:30:06,100 --> 00:30:07,820 As much as I say, he's never seen him again. 620 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,200 I says, point today. 621 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:11,376 He goes, what, who's the pro? 622 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:11,640 Well, yeah. 623 00:30:12,330 --> 00:30:14,240 I says, Ryan Giggs has changed his name. 624 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:15,880 Bloody hell. 625 00:30:16,420 --> 00:30:18,840 Of course, at that time, he was a star. 626 00:30:19,900 --> 00:30:21,540 Yeah, when I arrived, Giggs was playing. 627 00:30:22,500 --> 00:30:23,500 Yeah. 628 00:30:24,260 --> 00:30:24,620 Yeah. 629 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,600 And now I retired, what, 15 years ago, and he's still playing. 630 00:30:30,900 --> 00:30:31,900 It's crazy. 631 00:30:32,890 --> 00:30:33,760 I'll never forget. 632 00:30:33,761 --> 00:30:38,040 The manager sort of naming the team in the old dressing rooms at Old Trafford. 633 00:30:38,830 --> 00:30:43,700 And I'm just sat there, and I'm not listening to him, but sort of half not 634 00:30:43,701 --> 00:30:45,581 interested because I didn't think I was playing. 635 00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:46,830 So left wing is last. 636 00:30:47,930 --> 00:30:49,360 And I'll never forget it. 637 00:30:49,420 --> 00:30:51,920 It was like, Ryan, you'll play on the left today. 638 00:30:52,990 --> 00:30:55,260 I was like, you say my name there? 639 00:30:56,785 --> 00:31:00,360 And, like, I started, I don't like flying. 640 00:31:00,770 --> 00:31:03,100 So when we're taking off, I've got, like, sweaty palms. 641 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:04,380 Like, you wouldn't believe it. 642 00:31:04,420 --> 00:31:06,620 It was like, it was exactly the same feeling. 643 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,860 And number 14 is 17-year-old Ryan Giggs. 644 00:31:11,070 --> 00:31:13,110 We looked at him and thought, that's our motivation. 645 00:31:13,770 --> 00:31:16,257 You know, if the manager's giving him a chance, then 646 00:31:16,258 --> 00:31:18,680 surely he's going to give us a chance at some point. 647 00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:20,500 And this is Giggs. 648 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,080 The manager used to always say, if I'd ever had a shave, even the next day 649 00:31:29,081 --> 00:31:32,740 in training, he would just look at me, he was out last night, wasn't he? 650 00:31:33,260 --> 00:31:34,260 And I'd go, no. 651 00:31:34,660 --> 00:31:35,280 He'd go, yeah, he was. 652 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:36,520 You always have a shave. 653 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:38,180 When you've gone out, you always have a shave. 654 00:31:38,181 --> 00:31:39,460 You're always clean-shaven. 655 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,120 So from then on, I just learnt, if I went out, I just wouldn't shave. 656 00:31:47,140 --> 00:31:49,492 I think growing up in Manchester in the 90s, 657 00:31:49,592 --> 00:31:51,300 obviously, it was brilliant, it was massive. 658 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,880 It was the time of the Stone Roses, Happy Mondays and Spiral Carpets, 659 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,600 all the house music, and it was the place to be. 660 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,040 I mean, it was a ridiculous place. 661 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,000 The Hacienda, the Bullet Walk, we were going to concerts, Spike Island, 662 00:32:03,140 --> 00:32:04,780 and it was a real special time, really. 663 00:32:05,045 --> 00:32:07,525 I remember once the whole Man United team went to the Hacienda. 664 00:32:08,180 --> 00:32:09,300 It wouldn't happen nowadays. 665 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:10,640 You'd be pressed everywhere. 666 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,120 You'd have what's called a players' pass, a Man United players' pass. 667 00:32:15,180 --> 00:32:18,060 So every professional had one. 668 00:32:18,380 --> 00:32:20,440 And certain clubs, you'd get in free with it. 669 00:32:21,290 --> 00:32:25,260 So you'd go out with your players' pass, show it to the bouncer, let me in. 670 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,255 That's a good thing that I liked about my upbringing 671 00:32:28,256 --> 00:32:30,180 in Manchester, was everyone looked after each other. 672 00:32:30,395 --> 00:32:33,363 If you was a good enough guy and you didn't show off too much 673 00:32:33,364 --> 00:32:35,626 and you weren't big-headed, the bouncer looked after you. 674 00:32:35,650 --> 00:32:38,160 It just seemed like the magic dust literally had been there. 675 00:32:38,180 --> 00:32:39,316 It had been sprayed all over the city. 676 00:32:39,340 --> 00:32:41,520 So it was good to see the football and the music thing. 677 00:32:41,860 --> 00:32:43,680 What else is there? 678 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,040 What else is there? 679 00:32:46,100 --> 00:32:47,280 Manchester reinvented itself. 680 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,120 It didn't wait for a leader to do that for us. 681 00:32:51,180 --> 00:32:55,095 In fact, it took the disinterest that was clearly 682 00:32:55,096 --> 00:32:58,140 shown to it by Margaret Thatcher's Premiership. 683 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,220 It took that as actually a signal to do it itself. 684 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:03,320 We can't even get out. 685 00:33:03,380 --> 00:33:05,080 We're walking with cockroaches, beetles. 686 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,080 In flats in this block. 687 00:33:08,081 --> 00:33:09,560 In these flats over here. 688 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,895 We've got people coming up using the place 689 00:33:11,896 --> 00:33:13,920 as rockers and everything all over the place. 690 00:33:14,020 --> 00:33:15,020 It's disgusting. 691 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:21,160 We all grew up as Thatcher's children and, you know, hand on my heart, that bitch 692 00:33:21,161 --> 00:33:22,921 gave me my start in music, man, because she 693 00:33:22,922 --> 00:33:24,640 put me on the dole straight out of school. 694 00:33:24,860 --> 00:33:27,316 And where else would I have got the chance to learn an instrument? 695 00:33:27,340 --> 00:33:30,300 There's some great northern cities that actually aren't beholden to anyone, 696 00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:34,200 you know, and no matter how bad it gets, they will regenerate themselves. 697 00:33:34,380 --> 00:33:38,540 Now, the football teams, of course, especially United, is a symbol of that. 698 00:33:39,780 --> 00:33:44,360 Sharpie loved to go out, loved to party and have a good time. 699 00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:46,164 For me, he was the one who I had probably 700 00:33:46,165 --> 00:33:48,060 been most in common with because of the age. 701 00:33:48,465 --> 00:33:52,564 I've seen Gigton lead Sharp and a few of the guys out and 702 00:33:52,565 --> 00:33:55,456 about in town and in the clubs of the time and what have you. 703 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,002 I suppose we should have took it on ourselves to 704 00:33:58,003 --> 00:34:00,460 turn to Neff or Fulham and get an early night in it. 705 00:34:00,540 --> 00:34:01,060 It would be fun. 706 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,676 There's a Liverpool game coming up or something. 707 00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:06,620 But it's not our place to do that, is it? 708 00:34:06,621 --> 00:34:08,668 Fergie had his little network of guys out there 709 00:34:08,748 --> 00:34:11,060 doing just that, didn't he, I suppose, so... 710 00:34:12,110 --> 00:34:18,320 The gaffer had been tipped off that me and Sharpie were going out, so he's just 711 00:34:18,321 --> 00:34:21,100 totally surprised us and we're at Sharpie's house. 712 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,001 I heard down that road, I phoned Norman Davies and said, ''Where's Sharp with? 713 00:34:25,781 --> 00:34:28,580 '' And he gave me his address and I get there. 714 00:34:28,980 --> 00:34:30,620 I didn't know there was a party going on. 715 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:32,840 The party, I couldn't believe it. 716 00:34:33,410 --> 00:34:38,620 So I knocked on the door and there was the guys inside, said, ''Who is it?'' And I 717 00:34:38,621 --> 00:34:40,343 battered the door and I says, ''Get that bloody 718 00:34:40,344 --> 00:34:42,881 door open.'' I threw everybody out of the place. 719 00:34:43,330 --> 00:34:44,740 And I'm literally in his eye line. 720 00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:46,700 I mean, anywhere else I could have hid. 721 00:34:47,810 --> 00:34:51,900 But I'm leaning against the fridge with a beer in my hand. 722 00:34:52,390 --> 00:34:54,700 He's threw my mate out, he's threw the girls out. 723 00:34:55,410 --> 00:34:56,580 He's gone, ''Where's that? 724 00:34:57,700 --> 00:35:01,779 Where's Sharpie?'' So one of my other mates has ran upstairs and said, ''Sharpie? 725 00:35:01,859 --> 00:35:04,440 '' Sharpie's in the mirror just getting dressed. 726 00:35:04,460 --> 00:35:06,920 He's in his bedroom just, you know, putting his jacket on. 727 00:35:08,410 --> 00:35:10,730 ''Your gaffer's here, your gaffer's here.'' Sharpie's gone. 728 00:35:10,770 --> 00:35:12,690 ''Yeah, all right, yeah.'' Of course he is, yeah. 729 00:35:12,980 --> 00:35:15,240 Carried on, sort of, like, getting ready. 730 00:35:15,725 --> 00:35:18,165 And in the mirror, he's seen the gaffer walking up the stairs. 731 00:35:19,380 --> 00:35:21,302 At this time, the apprentices can hear his voice, 732 00:35:21,303 --> 00:35:23,481 cos there was a few of the apprentices out. 733 00:35:23,655 --> 00:35:26,780 They've hid in the wardrobe, they've hid under the bed. 734 00:35:26,940 --> 00:35:28,300 One of them jumped out the window. 735 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:30,780 And he didn't know about them. 736 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:31,800 They didn't get caught. 737 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,400 So, anyway, he's caught me and Sharpie red-handed. 738 00:35:35,210 --> 00:35:37,740 And he's just sat us down and he's absolutely battered us. 739 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,044 And I says, ''You have no idea what wife you're going to 740 00:35:41,064 --> 00:35:43,680 have now.'' And I says, ''You're in tomorrow, seven o'clock. 741 00:35:44,130 --> 00:35:47,160 ''Want you in at seven o'clock?'' And I went, ''Ah, the eyes are going. 742 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:48,860 '' ''Sharpie, you're going back in digs. 743 00:35:48,861 --> 00:35:49,876 You're not having your own house. 744 00:35:49,900 --> 00:35:53,960 ''You've had too many chances.'' And he said to me, and he's gone, ''Do you want 745 00:35:53,961 --> 00:35:58,300 to end up like him?'' From that day on, really, I was a little bit more focused 746 00:35:58,301 --> 00:36:01,760 and, obviously, I'd seen the gaffer snap before, but not like that. 747 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:03,620 Fortunately, Ryan took heed. 748 00:36:04,430 --> 00:36:08,201 Because if you look at him now, playing at 41 years of age, it tells you everything. 749 00:36:08,420 --> 00:36:10,860 He's lived his life well, you know, he's looked after himself. 750 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,140 That was an experience and maybe he'll look back and say, ''I'm glad it happened. 751 00:36:16,141 --> 00:36:16,920 '' You know? 752 00:36:17,530 --> 00:36:19,130 He's a different kind of animal, Giggsie. 753 00:36:19,730 --> 00:36:21,576 He came to a point where he said, ''Enough's enough. 754 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,740 ''I'm a footballer, first and foremost.'' Yeah, there was a time where I just had to 755 00:36:24,741 --> 00:36:27,301 play within myself and sort of change my role 756 00:36:27,302 --> 00:36:29,540 where, yeah, I couldn't be a flying winger. 757 00:36:29,870 --> 00:36:33,580 I had to manage my game a lot more and look after my body. 758 00:36:33,581 --> 00:36:35,280 He looked at the bigger picture. 759 00:36:35,340 --> 00:36:38,820 He looked that in 15 years' time, I still want to be playing football for 760 00:36:38,821 --> 00:36:41,480 Man United, so what sacrifices now do I have to make? 761 00:36:43,695 --> 00:36:47,400 Diet, getting the right beds, getting the right car, doing different stretches, 762 00:36:47,460 --> 00:36:53,460 obviously starting yoga, seeing an osteopath, doing acupuncture, ice baths, 763 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,160 you name it. 764 00:36:55,790 --> 00:36:59,741 I've done it to sort of maximise the time that I'm 765 00:36:59,742 --> 00:37:03,500 on the pitch and especially the last three months. 766 00:37:03,580 --> 00:37:08,280 You do everything you can because you know that's when it all happens. 767 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,160 That's when you need to be at your best. 768 00:37:10,300 --> 00:37:13,680 That's when the big games are coming. 769 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,660 The last thing that either club needed was a replay, but here we are. 770 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,680 United already committed to two games a week between now and the end of May. 771 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,380 Well, they are out there to keep thinking about a treble. 772 00:37:30,780 --> 00:37:33,360 And let's not forget the double's still up for Arsenal. 773 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:35,720 Something's got to give here. 774 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,000 We'd played, I think, about three or four days before. 775 00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:45,476 We had the eventers coming up, we were doing well in the league. 776 00:37:45,500 --> 00:37:47,540 So the manager decided to change things. 777 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,610 I'd played in the first game, we'd had a goal 778 00:37:49,611 --> 00:37:51,560 that allowed, we felt that we should have won it. 779 00:37:52,140 --> 00:37:55,400 And you just wanted to play in that game and I was subbed. 780 00:37:56,700 --> 00:38:00,940 At that point in our careers, Arsenal was the rivals. 781 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,201 It was such a great Arsenal team, it was the best 782 00:38:04,202 --> 00:38:06,080 team that probably we played against domestically. 783 00:38:06,100 --> 00:38:10,040 Power, pace, aggression, experience, skill. 784 00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:11,300 They had everything. 785 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,080 And they were such a tough team to play against. 786 00:38:16,380 --> 00:38:19,880 And they mined Keown from England and Dave Seaman. 787 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,136 They're all great lads, I really like them. 788 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,000 But on the pitch, they're just a real hatred. 789 00:38:23,390 --> 00:38:25,500 And it had been such a tiring game. 790 00:38:25,660 --> 00:38:30,820 You know, going 1-0 up, then 1-1 and then Keaney got sent off. 791 00:38:31,020 --> 00:38:32,820 So we're playing, obviously, a man down. 792 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,660 There were so many emotions as well. 793 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,780 I probably should have came off. 794 00:38:37,860 --> 00:38:39,780 I was physically and mentally exhausted. 795 00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:44,380 It was such an emotionally charged evening that I dusted a brick wall. 796 00:38:44,620 --> 00:38:47,460 The ball came across to Ray Parlour and he was taking me on. 797 00:38:47,500 --> 00:38:50,140 And I remember feeling shattered. 798 00:38:50,525 --> 00:38:54,540 I actually remember him running at me to this day thinking, I'm dead here. 799 00:38:54,980 --> 00:38:58,020 So I just collapsed on the floor thinking I've got to make a tackle. 800 00:38:58,420 --> 00:39:01,660 And it was a tired... I made the wrong decision. 801 00:39:02,980 --> 00:39:05,520 And when I give the penalty away, I remember... 802 00:39:06,260 --> 00:39:07,260 thinking... 803 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:08,840 life's over. 804 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,080 I'm dead. 805 00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:11,920 I'd rather die than this penalty going. 806 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:17,360 And it was one of those moments when I honestly thought if Damien Bergkamp would 807 00:39:17,361 --> 00:39:20,120 have scored, my Man Utd career would have probably been finished. 808 00:39:32,860 --> 00:39:35,740 Me and Phil go to celebrate with Peter Schmeichel. 809 00:39:35,741 --> 00:39:38,660 He literally shoves us the other side of the box. 810 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,520 He literally clotheslined me away. 811 00:39:40,780 --> 00:39:41,900 And I was back on it. 812 00:39:41,980 --> 00:39:43,456 The game was getting a bit stretched. 813 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,320 So I think the manager thought, perfect for me to come on now. 814 00:39:46,321 --> 00:39:46,900 Fresh legs. 815 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,000 And the manager just says, I think the right-back's tiring. 816 00:39:52,580 --> 00:39:54,160 Whenever you get a chance, run at them. 817 00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:55,790 Make something happen. 818 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:57,640 You're ten men. 819 00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,280 You're thinking it's going to penalties. 820 00:39:59,580 --> 00:40:00,580 You're hanging up. 821 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,440 Arsenal are sort of wave after wave of attack. 822 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,620 And then Giggsie picks the ball up. 823 00:40:06,220 --> 00:40:08,220 Patrick Vieira plays the ball square. 824 00:40:08,610 --> 00:40:10,640 And I just remember Giggsie setting off. 825 00:40:10,860 --> 00:40:13,520 When I sprint, you can tell I'm sprinting. 826 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:14,520 Everything's moving. 827 00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:15,790 With Giggsie... 828 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:17,800 It's almost slow motion. 829 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,440 He glides on the top of the service. 830 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,320 His feet don't touch the ground. 831 00:40:21,980 --> 00:40:24,720 He picked the ball up and I was at left-back behind him. 832 00:40:25,300 --> 00:40:28,320 And I was shouting, Giggsie, Giggsie, I'm on my way. 833 00:40:28,740 --> 00:40:30,760 Thinking I was going to overlap him. 834 00:40:33,180 --> 00:40:36,860 And Giggsie just went further and further and further away from me. 835 00:40:37,620 --> 00:40:38,740 Starts running at players. 836 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:44,300 And I've seen Giggsie do this since I was 15 years old. 837 00:40:44,500 --> 00:40:45,280 I stood still. 838 00:40:45,281 --> 00:40:46,780 And it was like slow motion. 839 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:48,140 In and out. 840 00:40:48,340 --> 00:40:49,200 Gliding in and out. 841 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:50,140 It's like a gazelle. 842 00:40:50,260 --> 00:40:52,380 He had this grace about him. 843 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,160 And he was making body movements. 844 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,360 Without even touching the ball. 845 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,280 And Lee Dixon went for one. 846 00:40:58,380 --> 00:40:59,580 Martin Keown went for one. 847 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,080 I just saw him going through. 848 00:41:02,260 --> 00:41:02,720 Going through. 849 00:41:02,780 --> 00:41:03,900 Keeping on going. 850 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:05,920 I'm thinking, Scholes is coming in back post. 851 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:06,960 Look at Scholes. 852 00:41:06,961 --> 00:41:07,961 Look at Scholes. 853 00:41:08,305 --> 00:41:09,945 And all he had to do was square it to me. 854 00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:12,320 And I'd make a big run. 855 00:41:12,321 --> 00:41:15,360 And I'll tell you, I think I was still 20 yards behind him. 856 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:16,760 And I sprinted as fast as I could. 857 00:41:17,045 --> 00:41:18,045 That was Ryan Giggs. 858 00:41:18,845 --> 00:41:20,647 Whether he was playing on Lower Broughton Road, 859 00:41:20,648 --> 00:41:23,300 Lyttelton Road, the Cliff Training Ground, Carrington. 860 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,720 That was what Ryan Giggs was all about. 861 00:41:26,620 --> 00:41:27,760 This was Giggs' moment. 862 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,000 Giggs is here. 863 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,500 A magician wave off. 864 00:41:44,260 --> 00:41:47,160 Hands up, Patrick. 865 00:41:48,100 --> 00:41:49,640 Watch the epic carpool. 866 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:50,860 Oh, it's close. 867 00:41:50,861 --> 00:41:51,861 Oh, it's past. 868 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:53,800 Kevin Reveley. 869 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,100 You just lose yourself. 870 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,680 And you don't know what you're doing. 871 00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:01,340 And everything, sanity just goes out of your head. 872 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:07,040 And I just decided to take my shirt off and just start swinging it. 873 00:42:08,220 --> 00:42:09,500 The team are coming over. 874 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:10,640 The fans are coming over. 875 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:11,840 They're on top of me. 876 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,520 And it's just unbelievable. 877 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,680 How many times are you going to see a goal like that in your lifetime? 878 00:42:18,860 --> 00:42:20,840 Especially scored by one of your lads as well. 879 00:42:20,860 --> 00:42:22,720 It is the best goal I've ever seen. 880 00:42:22,820 --> 00:42:25,020 Just for everything, how important it was. 881 00:42:26,170 --> 00:42:27,770 And the way he did it, who he went past. 882 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,780 As a defender, you look at those lads differently. 883 00:42:31,260 --> 00:42:32,340 They're the heroes for you. 884 00:42:32,590 --> 00:42:36,460 They produce the biggest moments at the best times when you need them. 885 00:42:36,940 --> 00:42:38,860 And throughout that season, they all delivered. 886 00:42:39,330 --> 00:42:40,200 Every single one of them. 887 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,020 But Giggs' moment is the standout moment. 888 00:42:42,370 --> 00:42:44,420 You needed a result, but you didn't need extra time. 889 00:42:44,540 --> 00:42:46,160 Ten men, a real baccalaureate. 890 00:42:46,340 --> 00:42:49,580 Look, who's to know what's going to happen if you were Gary? 891 00:42:49,581 --> 00:42:52,460 It could all blow on your face at the end of the day. 892 00:42:52,740 --> 00:42:54,640 But can you forget moments like this? 893 00:42:54,820 --> 00:42:56,980 I suppose we were talking about that for years. 894 00:42:57,300 --> 00:42:58,896 I suppose we were talking about that for years. 895 00:42:58,920 --> 00:42:59,996 That's what football's about. 896 00:43:00,020 --> 00:43:03,860 Trying to reach peaks and climaxes to a season which we were doing at the moment. 897 00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:05,240 We're in the final. 898 00:43:05,460 --> 00:43:07,260 We've got something in the bank for ourselves. 899 00:43:07,420 --> 00:43:09,260 Now we're going to try and win this league now. 900 00:43:10,515 --> 00:43:11,760 I mean, the place went wild. 901 00:43:12,570 --> 00:43:14,080 And I always remember that game. 902 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:19,560 I don't think a supporter left that ground not thinking we could win. 903 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,080 We couldn't win without a treble. 904 00:43:21,550 --> 00:43:23,280 Not one person came out of that ground. 905 00:43:23,875 --> 00:43:25,580 It just lifted everyone. 906 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,496 I mean, I think if they'd have won, they might have gone on with a double. 907 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,360 But we were in the footage, man. 908 00:43:30,460 --> 00:43:32,500 Now when he scores a goal and goes like this. 909 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:33,420 What's the footage? 910 00:43:33,500 --> 00:43:34,400 He scores, he goes into it. 911 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,460 He scores, he goes in the goal and goes like this. 912 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:37,880 And I'm thinking, what am I doing? 913 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,960 I'm saying it. 914 00:43:40,100 --> 00:43:41,876 Because I was running waiting for you to square it. 915 00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:43,200 And you run away celebrating. 916 00:43:43,380 --> 00:43:44,160 You take your own top half. 917 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:45,200 And I go like that. 918 00:43:46,860 --> 00:43:47,660 He talks off. 919 00:43:47,860 --> 00:43:48,620 He totally talks off. 920 00:43:48,621 --> 00:43:50,540 That would have got me out of jail, Scorsese. 921 00:43:51,100 --> 00:43:52,100 Right next to me. 922 00:43:59,260 --> 00:44:00,260 Well, 923 00:44:12,060 --> 00:44:13,200 cricket was my first love. 924 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,020 And it probably is my first love now. 925 00:44:16,260 --> 00:44:18,840 I used to miss an awful lot of school through cricket. 926 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,476 And an awful lot of school in the winter through football. 927 00:44:21,500 --> 00:44:23,361 So, you know, my dad was always one of those that 928 00:44:23,362 --> 00:44:25,140 said, well, let's give him the best opportunity. 929 00:44:25,141 --> 00:44:28,010 So, they came to some agreement that I could 930 00:44:28,011 --> 00:44:31,241 either miss school for cricket or for football. 931 00:44:32,980 --> 00:44:34,756 And, you know, it was a massive decision to make. 932 00:44:34,780 --> 00:44:36,980 And in the end, it was probably an easy decision. 933 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:41,020 Because two months before that, I'd played at Wembley for England school boys. 934 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,020 And there was, I think there was about 78,000 people there. 935 00:44:44,060 --> 00:44:45,220 We'd played Italy at Wembley. 936 00:44:45,350 --> 00:44:47,750 A couple of weeks after that, I'd played cricket for England. 937 00:44:47,820 --> 00:44:49,136 Made my debut for cricket for England. 938 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:50,400 I was captain of the under-15s. 939 00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:52,100 And we played in Gloucestershire. 940 00:44:52,750 --> 00:44:54,660 Literally, there was probably 30 people there. 941 00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:59,980 And what should have been probably one of the best moments of my schoolboy career, 942 00:45:00,455 --> 00:45:02,140 it was probably one of the biggest letdowns. 943 00:45:02,141 --> 00:45:05,180 And in a way, that was probably the turning point. 944 00:45:06,660 --> 00:45:09,460 Phil Neville was a player we're all after. 945 00:45:10,300 --> 00:45:11,660 I think at Arsenal and the club. 946 00:45:13,940 --> 00:45:18,760 But we're clever enough to say, right, if you take Gary, who was doing 947 00:45:18,761 --> 00:45:22,616 very well also, and get the two of them, there's a far better 948 00:45:22,617 --> 00:45:25,261 attraction for the family to keep the two brothers together. 949 00:45:25,590 --> 00:45:27,336 I used to play two or three years above myself. 950 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,980 I wasn't just in my own age group playing at centre-back or full-back or in midfield. 951 00:45:31,215 --> 00:45:33,500 So I was playing with men when I was only a boy. 952 00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:35,795 So I realised early on that to get forward 953 00:45:35,796 --> 00:45:39,261 in the game, I needed many strings to my bow. 954 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,120 The England manager used to say to me, you need to nail down one position. 955 00:45:43,245 --> 00:45:44,316 You need to nail down one position. 956 00:45:44,340 --> 00:45:46,700 If you do that, you'll have a bigger, better, longer career. 957 00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:49,430 And I used to come away thinking, that is the biggest 958 00:45:49,431 --> 00:45:51,341 load of rubbish that I've ever heard in my life. 959 00:45:51,420 --> 00:45:53,340 I'm 19, I'm 20. 960 00:45:53,980 --> 00:45:55,120 I'm a regular player. 961 00:45:55,121 --> 00:45:56,860 I'm part of Man Utd's first team squad. 962 00:45:57,180 --> 00:46:00,220 And I think it was probably one of the times when I probably did have to be 963 00:46:00,221 --> 00:46:03,181 strong with myself, that what I was doing and what I believed in was right. 964 00:46:03,340 --> 00:46:05,960 I first saw him at the cliff playing in a game. 965 00:46:07,460 --> 00:46:09,400 And he was one of them players that you just... 966 00:46:09,650 --> 00:46:11,570 Wait a minute, is he right-footed or left-footed? 967 00:46:11,900 --> 00:46:14,840 And me being just, you know, my right foot's for standing on, that's it. 968 00:46:15,065 --> 00:46:16,540 I'm just so one-footed. 969 00:46:16,990 --> 00:46:19,520 To see someone like that, I'm always, like, interested. 970 00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:24,940 Phil was always popular because he was comfortable around anyone's company. 971 00:46:24,941 --> 00:46:29,340 He was one of them people who were good in the dressing room and good to have around 972 00:46:29,341 --> 00:46:32,040 because he would just make people feel at ease. 973 00:46:35,410 --> 00:46:37,810 As a full-back, you need to develop a trick. 974 00:46:38,070 --> 00:46:39,870 And mine was a step over. 975 00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:43,590 And I worked on it every day. 976 00:46:44,350 --> 00:46:46,610 And I did it in a game once at Old Trafford. 977 00:46:46,730 --> 00:46:51,150 I did a step over, I got to the byline, crossed it, and we nearly scored. 978 00:46:51,390 --> 00:46:54,794 And as I was running back, Butty, Becks, Keno, 979 00:46:54,795 --> 00:46:57,791 you know, they were laughing their heads off. 980 00:46:57,830 --> 00:46:58,946 Just laughing their heads off. 981 00:46:58,970 --> 00:47:02,450 And I could not understand for the life of me why they were laughing. 982 00:47:02,530 --> 00:47:05,690 I'd just done the best step over that this club's ever seen. 983 00:47:06,380 --> 00:47:09,310 And they're absolutely wetting themselves laughing. 984 00:47:09,820 --> 00:47:13,530 So the next time I get the ball, I threw in a double step over. 985 00:47:13,830 --> 00:47:16,190 And the crowd, you know, they were cheering. 986 00:47:16,330 --> 00:47:18,126 And I think they thought I was taking the mickey. 987 00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:21,910 But this is something that I was serious about and I'd worked on for six months. 988 00:47:22,455 --> 00:47:24,250 And I'd just produced it at Old Trafford against Southampton. 989 00:47:24,251 --> 00:47:27,557 So I turned around after the double step over, and Roy 990 00:47:27,558 --> 00:47:30,550 Keane looked at me and just said, Stop effing about. 991 00:47:31,145 --> 00:47:36,970 I wasn't too happy when I'm playing in a game and I'm thinking, I'll sing him a 992 00:47:36,971 --> 00:47:39,330 song, you know, for the first few seconds, and then... 993 00:47:40,375 --> 00:47:43,970 Phil, Phil, we'll tear you a... Whoa, whoa, whoa, that's not right. 994 00:47:44,170 --> 00:47:44,410 Phil! 995 00:47:44,850 --> 00:47:45,850 No, it's my song. 996 00:47:46,665 --> 00:47:51,170 It must have not been that good because everyone used to slaughter me about it. 997 00:47:54,250 --> 00:47:55,490 For Ferguson, it was important. 998 00:47:56,530 --> 00:47:58,950 The academy, young players, was very important. 999 00:48:00,790 --> 00:48:03,390 Then we could see that it was a great generation. 1000 00:48:03,590 --> 00:48:05,970 And we could hear the coaches, everybody. 1001 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:08,880 It was a great generation. 1002 00:48:09,050 --> 00:48:10,970 And then you have to have the... 1003 00:48:11,730 --> 00:48:14,950 It's important to have the manager who gives them the chance to play. 1004 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,226 I think if everyone looks at us, they all think about, obviously us, 1005 00:48:18,250 --> 00:48:21,270 but the team in general, about how we've won everything and done this. 1006 00:48:21,410 --> 00:48:25,230 But if you think about our baptism, we lost the league on a Saturday. 1007 00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:26,030 West Ham. 1008 00:48:26,410 --> 00:48:28,730 And then six days later, we lost the FA Cup. 1009 00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:30,026 So that was like a wake-up call. 1010 00:48:30,050 --> 00:48:32,270 Well, for me personally, I don't want to do that again. 1011 00:48:32,490 --> 00:48:35,010 The first year that we broke in properly was 95. 1012 00:48:36,210 --> 00:48:37,570 And we lost the double in a week. 1013 00:48:38,570 --> 00:48:39,610 It was a disaster. 1014 00:48:40,330 --> 00:48:42,170 The last game, the end of the season, West Ham. 1015 00:48:42,340 --> 00:48:45,070 Then you've got the game against Everton in the FA Cup. 1016 00:48:45,820 --> 00:48:47,220 I remember the Cup Final perfectly. 1017 00:48:47,330 --> 00:48:48,490 I was subbing there. 1018 00:48:49,470 --> 00:48:51,986 I think we were getting beat 1-0, weren't we, for a lot of the game. 1019 00:48:52,010 --> 00:48:52,870 They scored early on. 1020 00:48:52,871 --> 00:48:56,470 I had a great chance to make it 1-1, and I never wanted to see it. 1021 00:48:57,060 --> 00:48:58,180 It was a bad summer, really. 1022 00:48:58,265 --> 00:49:00,741 I thought about that loads of times, actually, 1023 00:49:00,742 --> 00:49:03,451 and it still makes you feel a bit sick now. 1024 00:49:03,610 --> 00:49:04,970 I can't remember a lot of... 1025 00:49:04,971 --> 00:49:08,350 I don't want to sound blasé, but a lot of, like, the games where we've won trophies, 1026 00:49:08,555 --> 00:49:11,090 you remember a lot more from the defeats. 1027 00:49:11,110 --> 00:49:12,170 It's a lot more... 1028 00:49:14,090 --> 00:49:15,670 It has a bigger effect on you. 1029 00:49:17,590 --> 00:49:19,970 You lose a Cup Final, you think about it all summer. 1030 00:49:20,275 --> 00:49:23,110 You're lying on the beach having a good time, and then it'll just come back to 1031 00:49:23,111 --> 00:49:27,770 you, and it'll ruin your day or ruin your afternoon, and I can't wait to get back. 1032 00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,050 I remember when I was on holiday, I think I was in Cyprus, and you pick up a 1033 00:49:31,051 --> 00:49:33,851 paper and you see all these players are gone, and you're thinking, wow, 1034 00:49:34,210 --> 00:49:34,930 what's going on here? 1035 00:49:35,070 --> 00:49:38,150 They must be going to go and buy some proper big players to replace them. 1036 00:49:38,410 --> 00:49:42,350 Obviously, the manager was looking at where we could improve, but I don't think 1037 00:49:42,351 --> 00:49:45,050 anyone could foresee what he was going to do. 1038 00:49:45,225 --> 00:49:48,950 You know, Mark Hughes, Andrzej Konczalskis and Paul Lynch, you know, three massive 1039 00:49:49,150 --> 00:49:50,150 players for United. 1040 00:49:50,750 --> 00:49:53,310 To be fair to the gaffer here, he stood by us, didn't he? 1041 00:49:53,390 --> 00:49:56,170 He could have bought any player he wanted. 1042 00:49:56,690 --> 00:49:59,130 He was under pressure around that time, the gaffer, wasn't he? 1043 00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:01,360 There were three players that went. 1044 00:50:02,050 --> 00:50:03,850 Massive fan player, you know. 1045 00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:04,710 The fans loved him, didn't they? 1046 00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:05,590 The fans loved him, didn't they? 1047 00:50:05,610 --> 00:50:07,910 Goals, I suppose, came in for Sparky. 1048 00:50:07,911 --> 00:50:10,770 You came in for Ince, you for Andre, me for Paul Parker. 1049 00:50:10,930 --> 00:50:14,190 So we were all replacing brilliant players, weren't we? 1050 00:50:14,270 --> 00:50:15,270 You know what I mean? 1051 00:50:15,850 --> 00:50:20,210 If you look at my managerial career, from the start at East Dilling right 1052 00:50:20,211 --> 00:50:22,828 through to Aberdeen, to Aberdeen, then to 1053 00:50:22,829 --> 00:50:25,551 Manchester United, it was all about young players. 1054 00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:30,390 I believed in a foundation in a football club based on young people coming through, 1055 00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:34,690 so there was a stream of players coming into the first team. 1056 00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:36,750 It's a great risk. 1057 00:50:40,860 --> 00:50:42,810 But he knew it. 1058 00:50:43,490 --> 00:50:44,490 And he was right. 1059 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,530 And for me, of course, it was great to play with a generation of players, 1060 00:50:48,610 --> 00:50:52,210 win things with them, be in the middle of that. 1061 00:50:53,550 --> 00:50:56,530 And help the new players and young players. 1062 00:50:57,550 --> 00:51:00,070 And then we go back to training and they're still not bought in. 1063 00:51:00,310 --> 00:51:02,155 Before you know it, we were playing Aston Villa the 1064 00:51:02,156 --> 00:51:04,271 first day of the year and we were all on the team. 1065 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,890 I was in the first half an hour, so when we were 1066 00:51:06,891 --> 00:51:10,870 3-0 down, it was a disaster, really, at Aston Villa. 1067 00:51:11,350 --> 00:51:12,810 It's going from bad to worse! 1068 00:51:12,830 --> 00:51:15,710 After the game, we were thinking, we'd let the manager down, he's put his 1069 00:51:15,711 --> 00:51:17,886 faith in us, we're only young, the fans are going to hate us, 1070 00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:20,270 everyone's going to hate us because we're wrecking the club. 1071 00:51:20,590 --> 00:51:21,710 I think they've got pros. 1072 00:51:21,711 --> 00:51:23,391 I wouldn't say they've got major problems. 1073 00:51:23,550 --> 00:51:25,570 Obviously, three players have departed. 1074 00:51:25,980 --> 00:51:27,690 The trick is always buy when you're strong. 1075 00:51:28,205 --> 00:51:29,285 So he needs to buy players. 1076 00:51:29,625 --> 00:51:30,945 You can't win anything with kids. 1077 00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,410 You look at that line-up Manchester United had today and Aston Villa quarter past two 1078 00:51:34,411 --> 00:51:36,566 when they get the team sheet, it's just going to give them a lift. 1079 00:51:36,590 --> 00:51:38,066 And it'll happen every time he plays the kids. 1080 00:51:38,090 --> 00:51:39,090 He's got to buy players. 1081 00:51:39,220 --> 00:51:42,867 In truth, that night, watching the match at day, I felt 1082 00:51:42,868 --> 00:51:46,150 the same as what Al Anson said, it wasn't good enough. 1083 00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:47,890 We wanted to believe in it. 1084 00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:49,910 And we tried everything to win it. 1085 00:51:55,775 --> 00:52:03,550 But to be realistic with five new players coming from the academy, 19 years old, 1086 00:52:04,330 --> 00:52:07,150 it's not realistic to think that you can win. 1087 00:52:08,490 --> 00:52:13,190 I wasn't probably at that stage in my career where I felt comfortable to sort 1088 00:52:13,191 --> 00:52:16,930 of, you know, don't worry about it, it'll be all right. 1089 00:52:17,050 --> 00:52:18,524 I wasn't at that because I didn't know 1090 00:52:18,536 --> 00:52:20,250 whether it was going to be all right or not. 1091 00:52:20,490 --> 00:52:22,170 They have got star names to come in. 1092 00:52:22,330 --> 00:52:23,790 They've got Cole and Giggs. 1093 00:52:24,650 --> 00:52:25,750 Cantona and you, of course. 1094 00:52:25,870 --> 00:52:26,290 And Bruce. 1095 00:52:26,690 --> 00:52:27,690 Still not enough. 1096 00:52:27,790 --> 00:52:30,426 The trick at winning the championship is having strength and depth. 1097 00:52:30,450 --> 00:52:31,450 They just haven't got it. 1098 00:52:32,330 --> 00:52:33,330 But we tried. 1099 00:52:33,550 --> 00:52:36,430 So Arn and they were so exceptional. 1100 00:52:37,330 --> 00:52:41,110 And Ferguson helped them to learn things so quickly. 1101 00:52:42,900 --> 00:52:43,900 But we won it. 1102 00:52:46,670 --> 00:52:47,830 And we won the double. 1103 00:52:48,970 --> 00:52:50,086 We won the Premier League and the Cup. 1104 00:52:50,110 --> 00:52:53,370 Eric, when he came back from his suspension, he was phenomenal, really. 1105 00:52:53,650 --> 00:52:56,910 He really did carry the team quite a lot of the time. 1106 00:52:57,150 --> 00:52:58,470 You don't win anything with kids. 1107 00:52:58,650 --> 00:52:59,170 It's right. 1108 00:52:59,330 --> 00:52:59,950 You don't win anything with kids. 1109 00:53:00,030 --> 00:53:04,810 We won because we were part of a team that had Roy Keane in it. 1110 00:53:05,330 --> 00:53:06,990 And we had Bruce Pallister. 1111 00:53:07,150 --> 00:53:13,110 We had all these top experienced players who got the young lads through it, really. 1112 00:53:13,770 --> 00:53:17,710 In the 90s, they started to put young players with the old ones. 1113 00:53:18,970 --> 00:53:23,390 Players like Postkos, like David Beckham, like Ryan Giggs. 1114 00:53:23,630 --> 00:53:27,490 All these players had just arrived. 1115 00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,590 And with the old ones, they formed an incredible team. 1116 00:53:33,310 --> 00:53:36,893 From there, we saw that Manchester had become 1117 00:53:36,894 --> 00:53:40,111 incredible, especially on the European stage. 1118 00:53:40,385 --> 00:53:43,650 We didn't realise how special it was, to be honest, I think, at the time. 1119 00:53:43,710 --> 00:53:47,030 Because, you know, we're all in the team. 1120 00:53:47,031 --> 00:53:51,070 There was not one piece of jealousy between any of us. 1121 00:53:51,405 --> 00:53:55,150 And all we were worried about was staying in the team and doing well. 1122 00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:56,830 When they come from... 1123 00:53:57,330 --> 00:54:02,610 One's from Gorton, one's from Oldham, one's from London, two boys from Bury and 1124 00:54:02,611 --> 00:54:06,582 Ryan from Salford, you never think, years ahead, how 1125 00:54:06,583 --> 00:54:10,230 they became such a friendly unit, almost like brothers. 1126 00:54:10,770 --> 00:54:12,810 And they would practise and practise. 1127 00:54:13,370 --> 00:54:14,976 They couldn't give them enough of the ball. 1128 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:19,090 Honestly, it was... It was a joy to watch, because they wanted to do it. 1129 00:54:19,540 --> 00:54:21,070 They wanted to be the best players. 1130 00:54:21,530 --> 00:54:23,570 It's a lot easier coming through as a group as well. 1131 00:54:23,910 --> 00:54:26,224 Because, like, one day, Bixy with a man, then it'd be 1132 00:54:26,244 --> 00:54:28,536 you, then it'd be you, then it'd be you, then it'd be me. 1133 00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:29,450 And just share that ground. 1134 00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:30,090 It's a lot easier. 1135 00:54:30,270 --> 00:54:31,890 It's amazing how... I never like to do it on my own. 1136 00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:33,546 There was no jealousy between us, though, was it? 1137 00:54:33,570 --> 00:54:36,810 If I was knackered it at half at dinner time and all I was wanting to do was put 1138 00:54:36,811 --> 00:54:39,650 my feet up, and I'd look on Wimbledon and I'd see you and you practising on the 1139 00:54:39,651 --> 00:54:42,690 harbour thinking, I'd better get over there because I don't wanna be left out... 1140 00:54:42,691 --> 00:54:43,490 You always got left out. 1141 00:54:43,491 --> 00:54:47,110 It's like kids in the garden, if you've got two brothers playing football together 1142 00:54:47,111 --> 00:54:50,031 they're going to be better than a lad who's living on his own because he's 1143 00:54:50,180 --> 00:54:53,198 constantly competing against two people, but we had five, six 1144 00:54:53,199 --> 00:54:55,206 of us, we drove each other on, I think that's what helped. 1145 00:54:55,230 --> 00:54:56,750 Like Phil said, there was no jealousy. 1146 00:54:56,990 --> 00:54:57,470 That's for sure. 1147 00:54:57,730 --> 00:54:59,850 We've all failed at some time, haven't we? 1148 00:55:00,580 --> 00:55:04,090 That's why it was so rewarding, I think, when we won what we did. 1149 00:55:04,570 --> 00:55:07,990 It was more rewarding between us. 1150 00:55:08,315 --> 00:55:11,650 When Phil really broke in was the 96 season, 95-96 season. 1151 00:55:12,225 --> 00:55:15,490 I'd played 25 games the year before, I was the England right-back at the time, 1152 00:55:16,165 --> 00:55:18,559 and I got left out for the last three league 1153 00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,430 games and the cup final against Liverpool. 1154 00:55:20,905 --> 00:55:27,050 It's a strange situation to be in because we shared a room, I phone home and say I'm 1155 00:55:27,051 --> 00:55:29,650 playing, Gary then phones home and says he's not playing. 1156 00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:32,730 It's a real difficult... and I felt for my mum and dad really because they're in a 1157 00:55:32,731 --> 00:55:37,090 situation where they can't show jubilation or upset to either of us. 1158 00:55:37,590 --> 00:55:40,506 I remember my sister taking the mickey out of me, Phil's got it and you're not. 1159 00:55:40,530 --> 00:55:44,770 And... thinking that's hard that, you know, to see your brother play in front of you. 1160 00:55:44,890 --> 00:55:48,890 And I think Gary probably deep down knew he wasn't playing and he took it well. 1161 00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,170 There was not one bit of anonymosity between us. 1162 00:55:52,490 --> 00:55:56,630 They're tough moments to have to get over, but you're happy because he's playing and 1163 00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,990 you certainly don't ever want him to fall over or make a mistake. 1164 00:56:00,615 --> 00:56:02,034 But you're also... there's still that competitive 1165 00:56:02,035 --> 00:56:03,911 tension because we're in similar positions. 1166 00:56:04,450 --> 00:56:09,530 And going into the game, I'll never forget walking out of the tunnel and all I 1167 00:56:09,531 --> 00:56:12,290 remember thinking was, one, I hope I play well. 1168 00:56:12,370 --> 00:56:14,450 One, two, I hope we win. 1169 00:56:14,925 --> 00:56:16,930 And three, I hope my brother gets on the pitch. 1170 00:56:17,230 --> 00:56:19,270 And that was my thought process going into the game. 1171 00:56:19,565 --> 00:56:21,325 This was something that I wanted for us both. 1172 00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:25,810 And we scored and he came on and that was a special moment. 1173 00:56:26,860 --> 00:56:28,580 That's right, I didn't play in the 96 final. 1174 00:56:28,670 --> 00:56:30,170 In the final, I played Arsenal. 1175 00:56:30,330 --> 00:56:31,883 He came round to my room in the morning, I could 1176 00:56:31,907 --> 00:56:33,150 hear him coughing outside, you know, that... 1177 00:56:33,151 --> 00:56:35,193 He came in and said he wasn't playing, you know, but you 1178 00:56:35,194 --> 00:56:37,371 could hear his cough outside the door down the corridor. 1179 00:56:37,970 --> 00:56:40,386 He knew you were getting dropped, I just didn't answer the door. 1180 00:56:40,410 --> 00:56:42,030 If he can't find you, he can't drop you. 1181 00:56:42,450 --> 00:56:43,450 Oh, yeah. 1182 00:56:43,610 --> 00:56:44,270 Go missing. 1183 00:56:44,530 --> 00:56:46,530 He did used to wait for him that low, didn't he? 1184 00:56:46,570 --> 00:56:46,890 Yeah, he used to wait. 1185 00:56:46,990 --> 00:56:47,990 About 11-ish. 1186 00:56:48,890 --> 00:56:51,911 I remember one time coming up to me, I think 1187 00:56:51,912 --> 00:56:55,471 it was Thursday before a game on a Saturday. 1188 00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,570 He said, I'm not playing you on Saturday, son. 1189 00:56:57,950 --> 00:57:00,630 He said, I've got a game for you. 1190 00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:02,520 Two weeks on Saturday. 1191 00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:03,800 It's just a game for you. 1192 00:57:04,030 --> 00:57:05,030 I was like... 1193 00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:08,440 So I'm not playing for four games. 1194 00:57:08,930 --> 00:57:09,710 You make sure you prepare. 1195 00:57:09,850 --> 00:57:10,230 I'm not playing for that one. 1196 00:57:10,590 --> 00:57:11,730 I need you in that game. 1197 00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,410 And I was like, right, you need me in that game. 1198 00:57:16,340 --> 00:57:19,597 I'm thinking, have I been dropped for four games or have I 1199 00:57:19,598 --> 00:57:21,350 been told that I'm brilliant and I need it for that game? 1200 00:57:21,351 --> 00:57:22,090 I couldn't work it out. 1201 00:57:22,375 --> 00:57:24,215 Do you have a kiddo after you've been left out? 1202 00:57:24,530 --> 00:57:25,810 I thought you were playing. 1203 00:57:26,810 --> 00:57:28,350 Are you not playing? 1204 00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:30,030 I don't think... 1205 00:57:31,370 --> 00:57:32,370 Tomorrow. 1206 00:57:32,590 --> 00:57:33,590 Get in there. 1207 00:57:34,130 --> 00:57:35,350 I can't have a word with him. 1208 00:57:35,490 --> 00:57:37,191 I thought you were... You're not... 1209 00:57:37,330 --> 00:57:38,330 LAUGHTER. 1210 00:57:40,490 --> 00:57:41,870 Hey, kiddo, no, no. 1211 00:57:42,310 --> 00:57:43,670 No, no, kiddo. 1212 00:57:44,170 --> 00:57:44,610 LAUGHTER. 1213 00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:46,190 I can't believe it. 1214 00:57:46,450 --> 00:57:47,450 He said I was... 1215 00:57:47,830 --> 00:57:48,490 How's your mum? 1216 00:57:48,650 --> 00:57:49,650 How's your mum? 1217 00:57:49,690 --> 00:57:50,690 LAUGHTER. 1218 00:57:51,590 --> 00:57:52,610 He's strong, isn't he? 1219 00:57:52,611 --> 00:57:53,350 He's a bit strong, yeah. 1220 00:57:53,550 --> 00:57:53,990 LAUGHTER. 1221 00:57:54,310 --> 00:57:55,310 How's your mum? 1222 00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:56,990 LAUGHTER. 1223 00:57:57,430 --> 00:58:00,530 There's one team talk that stands out more than any other. 1224 00:58:00,950 --> 00:58:04,430 And a lot of his team talks, particularly the strong ones, aren't about football. 1225 00:58:04,610 --> 00:58:06,010 They're about life in general. 1226 00:58:06,750 --> 00:58:08,930 And he told a story about the geese. 1227 00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,730 And they'd be flying in an arrow. 1228 00:58:12,810 --> 00:58:15,050 And he'd go, look, that's what we need to get at. 1229 00:58:15,130 --> 00:58:15,830 Look, that's teamwork. 1230 00:58:15,831 --> 00:58:18,170 They've migrated from North Africa. 1231 00:58:18,700 --> 00:58:21,830 You know, they leave the country and they're going to fly in the Vs, 1232 00:58:21,831 --> 00:58:25,730 two lots of Vs, and the ones at the back are not working. 1233 00:58:26,850 --> 00:58:29,170 They're carried by the stream of the ones in front. 1234 00:58:29,790 --> 00:58:31,773 You know, one flies at the front and when he 1235 00:58:31,774 --> 00:58:33,590 gets tired, he goes to the back and they... 1236 00:58:33,865 --> 00:58:36,610 And he was trying to emphasise the need for teamwork. 1237 00:58:37,185 --> 00:58:38,050 They don't fly off individually. 1238 00:58:38,051 --> 00:58:39,550 They fly off together. 1239 00:58:39,855 --> 00:58:44,430 These geese are flying 4,000 miles to get to a better, warmer climate. 1240 00:58:45,020 --> 00:58:48,150 All I'm asking for you is to play 38 games in a season. 1241 00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:51,270 There were some team talks he'd give that made you shiver. 1242 00:58:51,730 --> 00:58:54,450 And that was one that I'll never forget. 1243 00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,790 Later in the season, we might be going through a bad time and we'd look up in the 1244 00:58:58,791 --> 00:59:02,010 sky and see the same birds and they're all over the place. 1245 00:59:02,130 --> 00:59:03,130 They're in like a... 1246 00:59:03,450 --> 00:59:05,030 No-one's leading and... 1247 00:59:06,090 --> 00:59:07,136 You know, look at us there. 1248 00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:08,030 We're all over the place. 1249 00:59:08,031 --> 00:59:10,130 Look at us getting in our role. 1250 00:59:11,655 --> 00:59:15,390 Alex Ferguson, in my view, could have been a great leader in any walk of life. 1251 00:59:15,610 --> 00:59:17,930 I mean, if he'd gone into business, he would have been a great business leader. 1252 00:59:18,050 --> 00:59:19,271 If he'd gone into politics, he would have 1253 00:59:19,295 --> 00:59:21,790 been a fantastic political leader, actually. 1254 00:59:22,570 --> 00:59:24,982 But he chose sport and he became a great sports 1255 00:59:24,983 --> 00:59:26,990 coach, probably the greatest in the world. 1256 00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:30,670 He always fulfilled his promise to make sure that his group of players, 1257 00:59:30,790 --> 00:59:34,990 his 18, his 20, got what they actually were promised at the start of the season. 1258 00:59:35,010 --> 00:59:36,446 They all felt like they were contributing. 1259 00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:37,810 And he always made you feel special. 1260 00:59:37,811 --> 00:59:41,450 No matter how small your contribution, you may feel it was, he always made you 1261 00:59:41,451 --> 00:59:43,211 feel special, that your contribution was big. 1262 00:59:43,795 --> 00:59:45,715 His management of people was brilliant like that. 1263 00:59:45,865 --> 00:59:50,510 What I tried to get through to them was that they were working class. 1264 00:59:51,630 --> 00:59:52,670 They're not working class. 1265 00:59:52,700 --> 00:59:58,170 Nowhere near working class, because they come from far more privileged backgrounds 1266 00:59:58,171 --> 01:00:02,170 than I did, and their grandparents or their fathers came from. 1267 01:00:03,205 --> 01:00:07,090 But it's worth reminding them that work ethic is so important. 1268 01:00:07,790 --> 01:00:10,646 It doesn't matter how good a player you are, if you're not prepared to work, 1269 01:00:10,670 --> 01:00:13,150 and have a desire to work, then it means nothing. 1270 01:00:13,445 --> 01:00:15,450 So all my team talks were based on that. 1271 01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:20,350 I would bring out stories, some imaginative stories, and some actually 1272 01:00:20,351 --> 01:00:24,990 true stories, but always working on the principle of work ethic. 1273 01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,686 I've heard them stories, you know, a million times, and sometimes you joke, 1274 01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:30,750 you don't even listen, you've heard them all before. 1275 01:00:31,250 --> 01:00:36,470 But what I'd do is I'd look round and I'd look at, say, Nanny or Anderson, 1276 01:00:37,630 --> 01:00:43,630 and the manager's trying to describe growing up in a Glasgow shipyard in a 1277 01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:49,010 broad Scottish accent, and you see Nanny and Anderson and all the foreign players 1278 01:00:49,011 --> 01:00:53,050 who could hardly speak English, going, what is he going on about? 1279 01:00:53,450 --> 01:00:54,930 I don't understand their work. 1280 01:00:55,170 --> 01:00:58,970 But they're just, you know, they're trying to look interested, and I just used to 1281 01:00:58,971 --> 01:01:00,113 sometimes just look round the dressing room 1282 01:01:00,114 --> 01:01:02,391 and go, I haven't got a clue what he's saying. 1283 01:01:03,070 --> 01:01:05,230 What's the best excuse to give you for leaving you out? 1284 01:01:05,450 --> 01:01:06,110 To what? 1285 01:01:06,111 --> 01:01:07,111 To what? 1286 01:01:07,210 --> 01:01:07,770 To what? 1287 01:01:07,990 --> 01:01:08,670 To what? 1288 01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:10,510 Sharpie always does well at Villa Park. 1289 01:01:10,590 --> 01:01:12,426 He always does well, so I'm not going to play you. 1290 01:01:12,450 --> 01:01:16,230 He said he was leaving me out at Chelsea once because they had some Combat 18 1291 01:01:16,231 --> 01:01:21,890 fanatics in the crowd and he thought I was a bit too young for it. 1292 01:01:22,490 --> 01:01:25,570 The best thing he gave me was, you know, it's a nice ground and you come 1293 01:01:25,571 --> 01:01:28,211 into your own on a heavy pitch, so in November you'll be my player. 1294 01:01:29,230 --> 01:01:30,910 So I only play you one month a year, mate. 1295 01:01:31,030 --> 01:01:32,030 One month a season. 1296 01:01:32,070 --> 01:01:33,070 One month a season. 1297 01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:41,070 The thing about Nicky is, regardless of his age, he always had that schoolboy, 1298 01:01:41,630 --> 01:01:45,630 9, 10, 11-year-old look on his face of up to no good. 1299 01:01:46,090 --> 01:01:48,750 Stralix used to say, but you're up to no good. 1300 01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:50,080 All the time. 1301 01:01:51,460 --> 01:01:52,526 Silly little child, this thing. 1302 01:01:52,550 --> 01:01:55,482 I did one once with a teapot and Peter Schmeichel, 1303 01:01:55,483 --> 01:01:58,190 you know, big six-foot-eight-man giant. 1304 01:01:58,610 --> 01:02:02,130 You come in the dressing room and there's a tray of sandwiches and a big hot, 1305 01:02:02,190 --> 01:02:06,270 you know, the big hot, you know, hot silver pots with tea and hot coffee. 1306 01:02:07,550 --> 01:02:10,790 And, obviously, we're just sat in the dressing room freezing cold day. 1307 01:02:12,060 --> 01:02:14,830 Peter Schmeichel's, obviously, he walks up to get a sandwich, 1308 01:02:14,910 --> 01:02:17,330 a cup of tea, absolutely, absolutely bollocko. 1309 01:02:18,060 --> 01:02:23,150 And I put a kettle, a steaming hot kettle on the bed and I put it behind his arse 1310 01:02:23,151 --> 01:02:25,186 like that, just sort of, I was like that, looking at it, I was laughing, 1311 01:02:25,210 --> 01:02:27,290 thinking, he's just going to just touch it there. 1312 01:02:28,070 --> 01:02:31,870 I looked round like that, he turned round, full pirouette, and caught his manhood 1313 01:02:32,020 --> 01:02:33,020 right on the pot. 1314 01:02:33,220 --> 01:02:37,110 And you heard a little tsss, like that as well, and we're just looking in absolute 1315 01:02:37,111 --> 01:02:39,170 disbelief and can't believe what he's done. 1316 01:02:39,555 --> 01:02:43,890 And all I hear is, what are you doing? 1317 01:02:44,510 --> 01:02:45,990 He screamed as loud as he could. 1318 01:02:46,660 --> 01:02:49,570 I don't know, he was just going to kill me, so I was literally dropped the kettle 1319 01:02:49,571 --> 01:02:52,171 and just legging it right all round the cliff and he's chasing me. 1320 01:02:52,860 --> 01:02:54,700 Ended up having a big blister on the end of it. 1321 01:02:54,750 --> 01:02:56,056 I don't know what he was thinking. 1322 01:02:56,080 --> 01:03:00,890 It was just a naughty school kid in him, right, I've got a pot here, he's like, 1323 01:03:00,990 --> 01:03:03,870 I don't think I'll have to do that, it's nothing else, right, I'll do it. 1324 01:03:03,930 --> 01:03:07,570 And I don't... I just... I think he just lost himself. 1325 01:03:08,130 --> 01:03:09,970 It's one of the funniest things I've ever seen. 1326 01:03:10,210 --> 01:03:11,210 Brilliant. 1327 01:03:11,345 --> 01:03:12,756 Manchester was absolutely brilliant. 1328 01:03:12,780 --> 01:03:14,300 We were young lads playing for United. 1329 01:03:14,540 --> 01:03:15,756 What couldn't we be happy about? 1330 01:03:15,780 --> 01:03:17,124 We were doing everything that you wanted to do 1331 01:03:17,125 --> 01:03:19,411 with the badge that you wanted to wear, winning. 1332 01:03:20,300 --> 01:03:22,110 At the time, there was a lot of optimism. 1333 01:03:22,710 --> 01:03:24,616 You know, six lads from the youth team have gone 1334 01:03:24,617 --> 01:03:26,490 through and are regulars now in the United team. 1335 01:03:26,710 --> 01:03:28,270 It was becoming a young person's world. 1336 01:03:28,380 --> 01:03:32,370 You know, music was changing, politics was changing, football was changing. 1337 01:03:32,565 --> 01:03:36,830 You had a young band from Burnage, Oasis, just ruling the world. 1338 01:03:37,450 --> 01:03:38,650 And it gave a lot of optimism. 1339 01:03:38,850 --> 01:03:40,330 You could feel it within the country. 1340 01:03:40,650 --> 01:03:43,230 Life in England was just going along nicely. 1341 01:03:43,410 --> 01:03:45,790 And then all of a sudden, there was this... this razzmatazz. 1342 01:03:48,870 --> 01:03:54,770 It was this surge, this tidal wave of culture that suddenly dominated, 1343 01:03:55,210 --> 01:03:58,390 suddenly looked sparkled in front of the world. 1344 01:04:01,610 --> 01:04:04,970 I got a Union Jack guitar and I sent it to him to sign. 1345 01:04:05,250 --> 01:04:07,026 And I really should have known better, to be fair. 1346 01:04:07,050 --> 01:04:11,410 He sent it back with, to Gary, how many England caps do you deserve? 1347 01:04:11,810 --> 01:04:13,190 I'll tell you, none. 1348 01:04:13,530 --> 01:04:16,590 Lots of love, Noel Gallagher, and put MCFC all over it. 1349 01:04:20,310 --> 01:04:23,288 There was that feeling, in that few years 1350 01:04:23,289 --> 01:04:26,190 preceding that, the public spirit had disappeared. 1351 01:04:26,510 --> 01:04:29,972 This long period of individuality, of selfishness, 1352 01:04:29,973 --> 01:04:32,130 you know, there's no such thing as society. 1353 01:04:32,390 --> 01:04:37,710 That led, inexorably, to us wanting to re-establish a sense of idealism. 1354 01:04:39,590 --> 01:04:44,970 17 years of hurt never stopped us dreaming Labour's coming home. 1355 01:04:47,470 --> 01:04:51,430 I was constantly aware of the fact that I was young, very young. 1356 01:04:51,630 --> 01:04:55,210 And I remember the very first day I came into Downing Street, going down to meet 1357 01:04:55,211 --> 01:04:58,990 the head of the civil service, who was a much more senior figure from the 1358 01:04:58,991 --> 01:05:04,870 British establishment, and he looked at me and said, well done, what now? 1359 01:05:05,290 --> 01:05:08,810 You don't realise until you look back how important a time that was and how 1360 01:05:08,811 --> 01:05:11,390 fortunate you were to be around the place in them days. 1361 01:05:11,980 --> 01:05:16,650 What those young players felt was possible for them as players, there was a curious 1362 01:05:16,651 --> 01:05:19,710 kind of echo in culture, in art, and in politics. 1363 01:05:20,110 --> 01:05:24,730 I mean, when I look back now and think of the changes we made to the House of Lords 1364 01:05:24,731 --> 01:05:27,770 getting rid of their hereditary peers, Scottish devolution giving Scotland its 1365 01:05:27,771 --> 01:05:31,570 first parliament and then peace in Northern Ireland, sometimes I think we... 1366 01:05:31,571 --> 01:05:37,490 What was great about the spirit of that time was that what on rational analysis 1367 01:05:37,491 --> 01:05:42,450 was impossible became imbued by a spirit of possibility and was actually done. 1368 01:05:43,710 --> 01:05:47,930 There was a kind of hope, got back into everything, you know, and it was a great 1369 01:05:47,931 --> 01:05:50,570 time of change and it's party time, you know. 1370 01:05:50,630 --> 01:05:51,810 It was good times. 1371 01:05:54,450 --> 01:05:56,342 The Stretford end gets knocked down and all of a sudden 1372 01:05:56,343 --> 01:05:59,670 you've got this massive big new stadium at Old Trafford. 1373 01:05:59,710 --> 01:06:03,310 You've got stadiums going out around the world, bigger and better. 1374 01:06:03,620 --> 01:06:05,186 Everything was getting bigger and better. 1375 01:06:05,210 --> 01:06:08,090 The game became completely different, the way in which it was viewed, 1376 01:06:08,270 --> 01:06:09,914 the way in which it was televised, the money 1377 01:06:09,938 --> 01:06:12,010 that came into the game, the wages going up. 1378 01:06:13,030 --> 01:06:16,370 English soccer became a major part of our identity. 1379 01:06:17,250 --> 01:06:20,140 You know, suddenly it went from something that was politically 1380 01:06:20,141 --> 01:06:23,310 kind of irrelevant to something that was politically important. 1381 01:06:24,090 --> 01:06:27,430 We were part, probably, of a revolution in a way. 1382 01:06:27,705 --> 01:06:30,801 I suppose if you had to pick a footballer to epitomise 1383 01:06:30,861 --> 01:06:32,910 that more than any, it would be David Beckham. 1384 01:06:46,530 --> 01:06:50,530 I grew up in East London, born in Leytonstone. 1385 01:06:50,710 --> 01:06:57,030 I lived in Leytonstone, right near the dog track, for about ten years and then we 1386 01:06:57,031 --> 01:06:59,010 moved to Chingford, a posh part of East London. 1387 01:06:59,170 --> 01:07:02,153 We stayed there up until I left, for 1388 01:07:02,165 --> 01:07:05,970 Manchester, which was when I was 15 years old. 1389 01:07:06,130 --> 01:07:08,250 You know, my dad was a huge Man United fan. 1390 01:07:08,450 --> 01:07:09,690 All he talked about was United. 1391 01:07:10,170 --> 01:07:11,930 His favourite player was Bobby Charlton. 1392 01:07:12,530 --> 01:07:14,370 My middle name is Robert Joseph. 1393 01:07:14,610 --> 01:07:19,130 Robert because of Bobby Charlton and Joseph because of my granddad. 1394 01:07:19,370 --> 01:07:21,230 My granddad was a Tottenham fan. 1395 01:07:21,410 --> 01:07:23,690 He'd been a season ticket holder for 50 years. 1396 01:07:24,690 --> 01:07:29,430 So, at Christmas, my dad always used to buy me a Man United kit, the new Man 1397 01:07:29,431 --> 01:07:32,751 United kit, and my granddad always used to say, he used to buy me the Tottenham kit. 1398 01:07:33,090 --> 01:07:34,586 What was it like when you signed that? 1399 01:07:34,610 --> 01:07:39,230 How did you feel when you... Well, it was brilliant, straight from when we left here. 1400 01:07:39,730 --> 01:07:42,310 When we got there, it was just brilliant. 1401 01:07:43,170 --> 01:07:44,770 Signing the paper and that... 1402 01:07:45,410 --> 01:07:47,050 I just couldn't believe it was happening. 1403 01:07:47,900 --> 01:07:48,770 Bex turned up to United. 1404 01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:50,006 He looked like a Man United mascot. 1405 01:07:50,030 --> 01:07:52,889 He had all the tracksuits, scarves, caps, Bobby Charlton 1406 01:07:52,890 --> 01:07:55,670 badges, but he was just a fanatic Man United fan. 1407 01:07:56,340 --> 01:08:01,150 It was a weird experience for us local lads to see, you know, Cockney lad, 1408 01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,350 knowing more about United than we did. 1409 01:08:05,050 --> 01:08:06,050 Bit embarrassing. 1410 01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:08,960 So, Alex Ferguson would just call my mum and dad's house. 1411 01:08:10,045 --> 01:08:14,690 And my mum would answer, and it'd be this strong Scottish accent, saying, 1412 01:08:15,050 --> 01:08:17,350 you know, Mrs Beckham, it's Alex Ferguson. 1413 01:08:17,450 --> 01:08:19,370 And my mum would be like... 1414 01:08:20,370 --> 01:08:23,670 And to my dad, you know, my dad would be like, no way. 1415 01:08:23,810 --> 01:08:26,138 So, my dad would come on the phone and he'd just 1416 01:08:26,139 --> 01:08:28,310 have a chat, say, you know, how's David doing? 1417 01:08:28,450 --> 01:08:29,490 How did he do last week? 1418 01:08:30,260 --> 01:08:33,380 And most of the time, my dad would say, he did all right, but he can do better, 1419 01:08:33,740 --> 01:08:35,070 because that's what my dad did. 1420 01:08:35,210 --> 01:08:40,730 When he was 11, every game in London, Dave would be at the bus as we arrived, 1421 01:08:40,890 --> 01:08:41,890 him and his parents. 1422 01:08:42,655 --> 01:08:45,704 In fact, we got him as a mascot for the game 1423 01:08:45,705 --> 01:08:48,290 at West Ham one day, and he was over the moon. 1424 01:08:48,915 --> 01:08:50,755 So, it was sealed, he was never going anywhere. 1425 01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:53,472 And Brucey and Robbo would just take the mick 1426 01:08:53,492 --> 01:08:55,830 out of him, flipping out, he must be some player. 1427 01:08:56,410 --> 01:08:58,096 What's he doing in Man United's dressing room? 1428 01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:01,510 I'd go in the changing room, and I'd help Norman pick up the dirty pants, 1429 01:09:01,810 --> 01:09:03,710 the dirty socks, the dirty shorts from the... 1430 01:09:03,810 --> 01:09:04,990 I was loving it. 1431 01:09:05,220 --> 01:09:08,890 You know, it was Man United, Man United players, just kind of dropping their 1432 01:09:08,891 --> 01:09:12,610 underwear on the floor, and I was grabbing it, putting it in the box. 1433 01:09:13,045 --> 01:09:18,050 I liked him a lot, because he behaved in the same way as everyone else. 1434 01:09:18,051 --> 01:09:23,050 I mean, with the president, and with the people who took care of the equipment, 1435 01:09:23,290 --> 01:09:26,990 he tried to treat people in the same way. 1436 01:09:27,510 --> 01:09:29,910 He was very attentive, and he was very attentive to everyone. 1437 01:09:31,180 --> 01:09:36,050 And that, in fact, is the values that we certainly learnt from him. 1438 01:09:37,900 --> 01:09:38,900 And won't you miss home? 1439 01:09:39,450 --> 01:09:43,750 I probably will miss it a little bit, but I'll be doing what I want to do, so... 1440 01:09:44,345 --> 01:09:46,950 What I've always admired about David is his mental toughness. 1441 01:09:47,030 --> 01:09:47,710 It's phenomenal. 1442 01:09:48,010 --> 01:09:49,010 I mean, you can say... 1443 01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,370 People can say whatever they want about him, you don't know him, but mental 1444 01:09:51,371 --> 01:09:54,530 toughness is as tough as anybody you'll ever, ever, ever meet. 1445 01:09:54,805 --> 01:09:56,030 The early years were... 1446 01:09:57,270 --> 01:09:58,070 were tough. 1447 01:09:58,071 --> 01:09:58,950 I must admit. 1448 01:09:59,090 --> 01:10:04,490 Being an East London boy moving up to Manchester, Eric Harrison was so strict 1449 01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:06,170 and so scary. 1450 01:10:06,650 --> 01:10:07,650 And my dad was strict. 1451 01:10:07,830 --> 01:10:12,270 You know, if I didn't do something right, if I couldn't do something, and I was lazy 1452 01:10:12,271 --> 01:10:15,110 one day, my dad would be on me like a ton of bricks. 1453 01:10:15,730 --> 01:10:17,210 And then I had Eric Harrison. 1454 01:10:17,370 --> 01:10:20,163 He'd turn around to me a few times in a game and 1455 01:10:20,203 --> 01:10:22,330 turn around and said, seriously, stop doing... 1456 01:10:22,670 --> 01:10:23,670 He didn't say seriously. 1457 01:10:23,710 --> 01:10:24,750 He said something else. 1458 01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:27,770 But he said, stop doing those Hollywood balls. 1459 01:10:27,771 --> 01:10:30,970 I remember in the youth team, we used to have Eric Harrison banging on the door at 1460 01:10:30,971 --> 01:10:34,131 him, calling him all names, and they would go off being stupid Hollywood passes. 1461 01:10:34,795 --> 01:10:37,830 And he kept doing it, and he'd bang it and he'd get hammered at it, and he kept doing 1462 01:10:37,831 --> 01:10:39,530 it and doing it and doing it, and he ended up 1463 01:10:39,531 --> 01:10:41,250 being one of the best long passes in the game. 1464 01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:46,690 You'd make a run and he would put it on a sixpence for you. 1465 01:10:46,710 --> 01:10:48,310 Just, you wouldn't have to break stride. 1466 01:10:48,475 --> 01:10:53,170 I mean, his 10-yard passing to his 60-yard passing was just something I've never, 1467 01:10:53,210 --> 01:10:55,670 I've never ever seen before, never seen since. 1468 01:10:55,965 --> 01:10:57,650 So I knew that I could... 1469 01:10:59,210 --> 01:11:01,530 90% of the time reach the target. 1470 01:11:01,630 --> 01:11:05,430 But when I didn't, I knew that I was going to get shouted at by Eric. 1471 01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,820 We all got given car deals with Honda. 1472 01:11:13,490 --> 01:11:15,480 So we all had these Honda Preludes. 1473 01:11:15,620 --> 01:11:19,060 I'd waited for so many months for that car, so many years. 1474 01:11:19,260 --> 01:11:22,080 You know, all the players had had their car before me. 1475 01:11:23,060 --> 01:11:26,300 And I was literally, I think you had to play 21 games. 1476 01:11:27,330 --> 01:11:29,540 And I was like on 18 or 19. 1477 01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:33,560 For like six or eight months, which was killing me because I was so close. 1478 01:11:36,260 --> 01:11:41,580 I went down to Honda, ordered my car, you know, came out with my Prelude. 1479 01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:42,760 I was so happy with it. 1480 01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:44,480 Beck's had a black one. 1481 01:11:45,300 --> 01:11:46,580 He paid extra for leather seats. 1482 01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:48,240 He used my Evercut bonus. 1483 01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:51,380 I used every, every penny that I had. 1484 01:11:51,630 --> 01:11:53,480 He paid extra for these Special Alloys. 1485 01:11:54,050 --> 01:11:56,689 And the dealer, he said to me, he said, you know 1486 01:11:56,690 --> 01:11:59,140 that you have to give this car back after a year. 1487 01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:01,156 And I was saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, it'll be fine. 1488 01:12:01,180 --> 01:12:02,420 We just used each other's cars. 1489 01:12:03,070 --> 01:12:05,670 Every day we would use Beck's, because he had these leather seats. 1490 01:12:06,740 --> 01:12:07,800 And he would go mad. 1491 01:12:08,185 --> 01:12:09,556 Because we got our football boots on. 1492 01:12:09,580 --> 01:12:11,793 So we're dirtying his car, and he used, let's, 1493 01:12:11,873 --> 01:12:13,880 let's, don't scuff the leather, whatever you do. 1494 01:12:14,020 --> 01:12:19,020 I can't actually remember saying it, but it sounds like something that I would say. 1495 01:12:19,300 --> 01:12:21,479 As soon as he said that, every day, we would just 1496 01:12:21,519 --> 01:12:23,100 stand outside his car, are you ready, Beck's? 1497 01:12:23,260 --> 01:12:24,260 We're ready to go over. 1498 01:12:24,895 --> 01:12:27,700 And he would have to drive over, and we would just ruin his seat. 1499 01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:29,040 We'd just ruin, you know, put... 1500 01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:31,300 our studs over the seats. 1501 01:12:31,500 --> 01:12:35,700 I got nicked in the end, the car, but it looked great while I had it. 1502 01:12:38,410 --> 01:12:40,234 The goal he scored against Wimbledon, he 1503 01:12:40,246 --> 01:12:42,261 practised that in training every single day. 1504 01:12:42,390 --> 01:12:43,590 Every single day he'd do that. 1505 01:12:44,330 --> 01:12:45,776 Just booting balls from the half-way line. 1506 01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:49,260 I call it booting, he was striking them from the half-way line towards the goal. 1507 01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:50,880 Striking a ball was incredible. 1508 01:12:56,730 --> 01:12:58,330 I was injured that game. 1509 01:12:59,150 --> 01:13:01,470 One of my mates says, Beck's has just scored from the half-way line. 1510 01:13:01,490 --> 01:13:04,410 So I'm thinking, slight exaggeration. 1511 01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:09,290 Probably scored, like, maybe on the angle from 40 yards or something like that. 1512 01:13:15,490 --> 01:13:19,690 I remember Eric Cantona just shaking his head and I'm thinking, that's Eric Cantona. 1513 01:13:19,890 --> 01:13:21,810 And he obviously thinks the goal was pretty good. 1514 01:13:21,970 --> 01:13:24,510 The manager turned round to me and said, lucky that went in. 1515 01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:26,990 I think I would have been pulled off. 1516 01:13:28,090 --> 01:13:30,410 Even if he hadn't scored his goal... 1517 01:13:32,050 --> 01:13:33,830 it was a good idea. 1518 01:13:35,410 --> 01:13:39,070 That was when it really all went like that and the publicity went like that. 1519 01:13:39,190 --> 01:13:41,430 It must have been zoomed all around the world, that goal. 1520 01:13:41,830 --> 01:13:43,990 The last person to do it would have been Pele, I think. 1521 01:13:44,210 --> 01:13:45,590 He didn't score it. 1522 01:13:45,870 --> 01:13:46,530 And do you know something? 1523 01:13:46,875 --> 01:13:47,970 He wanted to be a star. 1524 01:13:48,610 --> 01:13:52,230 He wanted to have leather in his car when we had cloth. 1525 01:13:52,670 --> 01:13:55,510 He wanted to have the best speakers in his boot for the best music. 1526 01:13:55,710 --> 01:13:57,690 He wanted to propel himself beyond football. 1527 01:13:57,850 --> 01:13:59,210 Fashion was important to him. 1528 01:13:59,250 --> 01:14:00,510 Music was important to him. 1529 01:14:01,830 --> 01:14:04,990 Doing things more than just becoming a football player were important to him. 1530 01:14:07,690 --> 01:14:10,562 I mean, Becks was obviously a huge star and just 1531 01:14:10,563 --> 01:14:12,670 got bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. 1532 01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:17,430 But in regards to in the dressing room, not a lot changed. 1533 01:14:17,610 --> 01:14:18,230 Becks was Becks. 1534 01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:19,330 He had a lot going on. 1535 01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:20,680 You know, a lot of attention. 1536 01:14:20,730 --> 01:14:22,210 He'd scored a goal against Wimbledon. 1537 01:14:22,650 --> 01:14:23,970 He's now going out with Victoria. 1538 01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:25,270 They were a massive story. 1539 01:14:25,271 --> 01:14:27,470 So everything that they did, there was pressure on him. 1540 01:14:28,570 --> 01:14:32,170 You know, what he's achieved is incredible in terms of his global appeal. 1541 01:14:32,350 --> 01:14:35,050 I mean, it's phenomenal to think that's a football player. 1542 01:14:36,070 --> 01:14:36,950 Who can kick a football well. 1543 01:14:37,090 --> 01:14:41,890 So I went to visit this obscure little Japanese school in the middle of nowhere. 1544 01:14:42,740 --> 01:14:45,790 And I went in and was introduced to the school assembly. 1545 01:14:48,215 --> 01:14:52,230 And I could see the faintest idea, frankly, who I was. 1546 01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:56,130 I'm not really sure they could have pointed to where Britain was on the map. 1547 01:14:57,635 --> 01:15:00,630 And so finally, in desperation, I uttered the words David Beckham. 1548 01:15:01,090 --> 01:15:03,250 And then there was immediate ripple of recognition. 1549 01:15:03,251 --> 01:15:05,070 And then you were away. 1550 01:15:05,230 --> 01:15:07,010 The point of connection was established. 1551 01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:10,762 Becks had always been comfortable with that, right from 1552 01:15:10,822 --> 01:15:15,190 the start, really, where I wasn't as comfortable with it. 1553 01:15:15,550 --> 01:15:17,310 And I felt that it was affecting my football. 1554 01:15:18,100 --> 01:15:22,050 Becks did it in a way that it didn't affect his football. 1555 01:15:22,620 --> 01:15:25,470 And luckily for me, sort of, they left me alone. 1556 01:15:25,630 --> 01:15:29,290 And then Becks sort of took it on to a next level. 1557 01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:31,830 I thought, how could he cope with this? 1558 01:15:31,890 --> 01:15:32,510 And he always did. 1559 01:15:32,511 --> 01:15:33,890 He always did. 1560 01:15:34,070 --> 01:15:37,310 And you were always worried, as a friend, that when would this have an impact? 1561 01:15:40,770 --> 01:15:42,050 We played really well. 1562 01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:43,240 We were playing great. 1563 01:15:46,050 --> 01:15:49,530 And then I remember being absolutely hit from behind. 1564 01:15:51,250 --> 01:15:52,370 I've reacted... 1565 01:15:54,290 --> 01:15:56,350 ..just kind of swung my leg up... 1566 01:15:58,230 --> 01:16:00,870 ..in a stupid way. 1567 01:16:02,065 --> 01:16:03,945 As soon as I'd done that, I knew that I was off. 1568 01:16:04,910 --> 01:16:08,270 I knew that I'd made a huge mistake. 1569 01:16:11,900 --> 01:16:12,900 Oh, it's red! 1570 01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:14,640 Oh, no! 1571 01:16:16,700 --> 01:16:20,340 At the time, I didn't realise what would come after that. 1572 01:16:20,820 --> 01:16:23,620 I never thought that I would have to go through what I went through. 1573 01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:27,040 And I remember being sat in the changing room. 1574 01:16:27,140 --> 01:16:28,340 No-one was obviously in there. 1575 01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:32,280 All the players came in and I realised that we were knocked out. 1576 01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:35,340 None of the players said a word to me. 1577 01:16:35,900 --> 01:16:40,440 The only people that spoke to me was Gary, Scolzi, you know, the United players. 1578 01:16:43,700 --> 01:16:46,680 And then Tony Adams came up to me and put his arm round me. 1579 01:16:47,110 --> 01:16:48,430 He said, ''Do you know what, son? 1580 01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:50,160 ''Everyone makes mistakes. 1581 01:16:51,455 --> 01:16:55,780 ''Forget it.'' I remember walking out and seeing my mum and dad stood there. 1582 01:16:55,900 --> 01:16:58,700 And I was 21, I think, at the time. 1583 01:16:58,720 --> 01:16:59,500 21, 22. 1584 01:16:59,501 --> 01:17:03,380 And I remember literally falling into my dad's arms. 1585 01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:10,120 And I haven't sobbed like that for...for years. 1586 01:17:11,065 --> 01:17:15,260 But, I don't know, my emotions just got the best of me. 1587 01:17:17,420 --> 01:17:19,640 I immediately phoned him the next day. 1588 01:17:19,930 --> 01:17:23,250 ''Cos are you depressed?'' ''I mean, this press are ridiculous. 1589 01:17:23,251 --> 01:17:26,100 '' The boss called me and he said, ''Don't worry, son. 1590 01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:27,600 ''It's over. 1591 01:17:28,260 --> 01:17:29,240 ''You'll come back. 1592 01:17:29,260 --> 01:17:30,620 You're a Manchester United player. 1593 01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:31,860 ''We'll look after you. 1594 01:17:32,650 --> 01:17:33,770 ''Everyone's supporting you. 1595 01:17:34,035 --> 01:17:35,395 ''Don't even worry about anything. 1596 01:17:35,725 --> 01:17:37,400 ''Go away, have a few weeks of holiday. 1597 01:17:37,790 --> 01:17:38,790 ''Get some rest. 1598 01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:42,236 ''But when you come back to Manchester United, ''you know you've got the support 1599 01:17:42,260 --> 01:17:50,260 of everyone.'' David was the first England player to receive that level of abuse for 1600 01:17:50,261 --> 01:17:53,460 a mistake that someone had made on a football field. 1601 01:17:54,220 --> 01:17:55,300 It was sickening. 1602 01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:56,160 It was vile. 1603 01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:57,400 It was bordering on criminality. 1604 01:17:57,401 --> 01:17:59,881 It was criminal, some of the things that he had to put up with. 1605 01:18:00,460 --> 01:18:02,040 I had quite a few death threats. 1606 01:18:02,180 --> 01:18:05,980 I'd had bullets through the post, delivered. 1607 01:18:06,965 --> 01:18:11,300 No address on them, just hand delivered through my letterbox. 1608 01:18:11,755 --> 01:18:14,060 It happened to my brother in 2000, two years later. 1609 01:18:14,635 --> 01:18:16,595 My brother gives away the penalty against Romania. 1610 01:18:17,060 --> 01:18:18,280 I got absolutely abused. 1611 01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:20,000 Abused publicly. 1612 01:18:21,730 --> 01:18:22,730 Abused in the media. 1613 01:18:23,910 --> 01:18:26,220 And I found it really difficult. 1614 01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:28,900 My wife came home from work one day. 1615 01:18:29,020 --> 01:18:31,340 The gates were on fire with an England flag on the gates. 1616 01:18:31,970 --> 01:18:35,960 You take your wife out for a romantic meal and you go to the toilet before the meal 1617 01:18:36,510 --> 01:18:38,854 and you get threatened to have your lights punched 1618 01:18:38,855 --> 01:18:41,080 out and then you go out and you take your wife home. 1619 01:18:41,220 --> 01:18:44,060 I had journalists turning round to my grandad, turning round and saying, 1620 01:18:44,100 --> 01:18:51,240 ''Do you realise what your grandson has done?'' You know, for me to have heard 1621 01:18:51,241 --> 01:18:57,460 that, that made me feel worse than anything else. 1622 01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:02,680 To be honest with you, what I suffered was 10% of what he went through. 1623 01:19:03,020 --> 01:19:05,080 It affected me so much, it knocked my confidence. 1624 01:19:05,420 --> 01:19:09,260 I needed to get some kind of happiness for football back in my life. 1625 01:19:09,820 --> 01:19:11,320 So I started to pray before matches. 1626 01:19:11,955 --> 01:19:16,180 I prayed that I'd make my wife, my children, my mum, my dad, my sister, 1627 01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:18,920 my brother proud of what they were seeing from me out on the pitch. 1628 01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:20,320 And that's all I did. 1629 01:19:20,900 --> 01:19:24,600 I said the same prayer every week for the rest of my career. 1630 01:19:25,875 --> 01:19:29,400 And he had the same attitude with Beckham when he was sent off with England, 1631 01:19:29,810 --> 01:19:32,860 with me when I was sent off in Crystal Palace. 1632 01:19:33,620 --> 01:19:35,020 And the club had the same attitude. 1633 01:19:36,220 --> 01:19:38,540 I played for France this time. 1634 01:19:39,855 --> 01:19:42,000 Manchester United asked me to sign a contract. 1635 01:19:42,980 --> 01:19:44,300 And I was banned for nine months. 1636 01:19:45,190 --> 01:19:50,140 And France had a completely opposite attitude. 1637 01:19:51,510 --> 01:19:53,980 You have to build a circle of wagons. 1638 01:19:54,330 --> 01:19:58,760 When someone's getting it, everyone protects them. 1639 01:19:59,500 --> 01:20:00,500 That's a family. 1640 01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:02,080 That's what you call a family. 1641 01:20:02,430 --> 01:20:05,160 You do the same for your sons, your daughters, whatever. 1642 01:20:06,020 --> 01:20:07,900 That's exactly what we did at Manchester United. 1643 01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:12,400 When things happen outside the club, it's like everything just closes. 1644 01:20:13,255 --> 01:20:15,320 You know, nothing gets in, nothing gets out. 1645 01:20:16,140 --> 01:20:17,220 The manager protects you. 1646 01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:21,080 When did you allow Mr Beckham to talk about the incident during the World Cup? 1647 01:20:22,510 --> 01:20:24,270 Well, he doesn't need to talk about anything. 1648 01:20:24,820 --> 01:20:26,020 The Manchester United player. 1649 01:20:27,230 --> 01:20:28,670 He can talk about Manchester United. 1650 01:20:30,325 --> 01:20:31,805 In French we say merveilleux malheur. 1651 01:20:36,500 --> 01:20:39,640 Sometimes it happens, something bad to you, but you use it. 1652 01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:43,129 And the way you will take, it will be even better 1653 01:20:43,130 --> 01:20:47,280 than the way you would have taken if it didn't happen. 1654 01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:55,700 Ah, the net gets out. 1655 01:20:56,980 --> 01:20:57,980 Sad day. 1656 01:20:58,020 --> 01:20:59,020 Sad day. 1657 01:20:59,940 --> 01:21:00,940 Is that the UK? 1658 01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:01,580 Sad day. 1659 01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:03,880 First time not being in here for how long? 1660 01:21:04,420 --> 01:21:05,420 20 years. 1661 01:21:06,130 --> 01:21:07,290 Giggs is still there, though. 1662 01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:10,120 Actually, he almost took me. 1663 01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:11,360 That's where I used to sit. 1664 01:21:12,340 --> 01:21:13,380 Are you sat in your seats? 1665 01:21:13,620 --> 01:21:14,620 Yeah. 1666 01:21:14,860 --> 01:21:15,580 They're sat in their seats. 1667 01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:16,360 They've done me over. 1668 01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:17,876 You're sitting in the keeper, aren't you, guys? 1669 01:21:17,900 --> 01:21:18,900 Yeah. 1670 01:21:30,220 --> 01:21:34,560 What's going to happen over the next two weeks, if we're successful, could be the 1671 01:21:34,561 --> 01:21:39,580 most momentous ten days in the club's history. 1672 01:21:39,900 --> 01:21:44,420 Maybe in any English team's history as well, you know, because the Champions 1673 01:21:44,421 --> 01:21:48,260 League, the FA Cup, the Championship, it's there for us. 1674 01:21:48,750 --> 01:21:53,260 Yeah, with the Tottenham game, it was the first game of three cup finals. 1675 01:21:53,420 --> 01:21:57,280 That's always ten days, three games, you win them, history. 1676 01:21:57,580 --> 01:22:00,800 It sounds simple, but that's what it was, really. 1677 01:22:01,100 --> 01:22:05,007 The fact that we had to beat Tottenham kind of meant 1678 01:22:05,008 --> 01:22:07,601 more to me than probably most of the other lads. 1679 01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:12,100 The league title there, start of a three is within reach. 1680 01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:15,380 Manchester United have put themselves within touching distance. 1681 01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:19,880 Can Tottenham Hotspur, of all people, open the door for Arsenal? 1682 01:22:20,980 --> 01:22:23,640 Up to our time, I could have scored three, four, five goals. 1683 01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:25,700 I had that many chances and nil blew it. 1684 01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:29,040 Of course, United be United, they have to do it the hard way. 1685 01:22:29,260 --> 01:22:30,380 Go one nil down. 1686 01:22:31,180 --> 01:22:32,640 You know, that's not in the script. 1687 01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:33,880 You know, what's going on? 1688 01:22:34,260 --> 01:22:37,120 I had a great chance with my head to skydive. 1689 01:22:37,540 --> 01:22:41,100 And all of a sudden, you kind of think, it's not going to be our day. 1690 01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:43,340 We're going to blow it on the last game of the season. 1691 01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:44,960 And then you just look for heroes. 1692 01:22:45,220 --> 01:22:47,220 Tottenham seem to bring out the best in Becks. 1693 01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:49,080 He used to always score great goals. 1694 01:22:49,420 --> 01:22:52,760 Whatever stadium you are in the world, when the ball comes to him, you know 1695 01:22:52,761 --> 01:22:54,973 because he's practised so hard throughout his career, 1696 01:22:54,974 --> 01:22:59,120 he's going to produce that same technique, same quality. 1697 01:22:59,420 --> 01:23:00,420 Giggs to Scholes. 1698 01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:02,920 Scholes to Beckham. 1699 01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:10,860 It was a great goal. 1700 01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:11,380 Great technique. 1701 01:23:11,460 --> 01:23:13,420 Everything what David was about, really. 1702 01:23:14,340 --> 01:23:17,700 Becks don't get the credit for some of the goals he scored. 1703 01:23:17,940 --> 01:23:22,100 He got robbed in the FA Cup semi-final because I scored the goal. 1704 01:23:22,220 --> 01:23:26,120 If everyone forgets about his goals, 25 yards, ending it, past David Seaman. 1705 01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:29,260 The Tottenham goal is just... 1706 01:23:30,700 --> 01:23:32,280 Only Becks can score it. 1707 01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:33,900 It's like a whip ping. 1708 01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:36,120 It's just a ridiculous goal. 1709 01:23:36,121 --> 01:23:37,220 Then you scored. 1710 01:23:37,380 --> 01:23:37,740 Yeah. 1711 01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:40,860 Just before half-time and then it sort of lifted everything. 1712 01:23:41,410 --> 01:23:42,840 I had missed a load of chances. 1713 01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:44,136 Yeah, we had so many chances. 1714 01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:45,340 I had about four or five chances. 1715 01:23:45,341 --> 01:23:45,540 Did you? 1716 01:23:45,580 --> 01:23:46,380 Great chances, yeah. 1717 01:23:46,500 --> 01:23:49,780 I got a bit of a roast in that half-time, I remember, for that game. 1718 01:23:50,540 --> 01:23:52,360 How many chances do you want to score, yeah? 1719 01:23:52,620 --> 01:23:53,920 Nothing was going right for us. 1720 01:23:54,380 --> 01:23:55,820 Scholes obviously had a few chances. 1721 01:23:56,220 --> 01:24:00,100 It had never happened before that we'd actually won it here at Old Trafford. 1722 01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:01,560 Did you set the goal up, guys? 1723 01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:02,060 Yeah. 1724 01:24:02,180 --> 01:24:03,180 A left-foot hoik. 1725 01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:04,080 Nice. 1726 01:24:04,220 --> 01:24:05,060 It's a wonderful hoik. 1727 01:24:05,061 --> 01:24:05,720 It's a culture. 1728 01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:06,140 What's that? 1729 01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:07,396 Passing to his path, I thought. 1730 01:24:07,420 --> 01:24:10,060 A left-foot hoik down the channel to Coley that he scored from. 1731 01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:12,100 Yeah, it was a big, long goal, wasn't it? 1732 01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:12,960 Fluke. 1733 01:24:13,460 --> 01:24:14,860 Scholes and Beckham, not that pass. 1734 01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:16,800 Honestly, they've been talked about forevermore. 1735 01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:19,880 You gave him a big divot, though, after that. 1736 01:24:20,020 --> 01:24:20,120 Yeah. 1737 01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:21,780 A big 9-9. 1738 01:24:21,860 --> 01:24:23,740 And the fact I hadn't looked before I played it. 1739 01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:25,820 It was a wonderful pass. 1740 01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:27,580 It was platini. 1741 01:24:28,740 --> 01:24:30,520 It was just a hoof down the channel. 1742 01:24:30,740 --> 01:24:32,460 And Coley just dinked it over. 1743 01:24:33,440 --> 01:24:34,780 And then it was 2-1. 1744 01:24:34,781 --> 01:24:36,156 You're thinking, right, we're at it. 1745 01:24:36,180 --> 01:24:39,600 But then we were hanging on towards the end because we still needed to win. 1746 01:24:39,860 --> 01:24:42,520 And I remember being in the centre circle when the whistle went. 1747 01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:45,640 I fell to my knees and kind of held my hands in the air. 1748 01:24:45,740 --> 01:24:49,272 I turned around and Buddy literally comes along, 1749 01:24:49,273 --> 01:24:52,641 grabs me by the shirt, lifts me up and we celebrate. 1750 01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:57,420 Those are special moments that I know my grandad would have been kind of swearing 1751 01:24:57,421 --> 01:25:02,480 at me, but then also kind of really happy the fact that I was going to win a league. 1752 01:25:02,481 --> 01:25:06,500 And I think he'd have been even more happier just because it had even meant us 1753 01:25:06,501 --> 01:25:08,421 winning the league or Arsenal winning the league. 1754 01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:12,480 And as a Tottenham fan, he was happy that Man United was winning the league. 1755 01:25:13,505 --> 01:25:15,904 I mean, with Beck scoring that goal, it was the 1756 01:25:15,905 --> 01:25:18,481 full turnaround really from the start of the season. 1757 01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:24,400 All the World Cup carry on, the backlash from that, having a brilliant season and 1758 01:25:24,500 --> 01:25:28,080 finishing it with such an important goal in a league decider. 1759 01:25:28,340 --> 01:25:31,100 And, you know, one ticked off the list, two to go. 1760 01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:59,148 I grew up in a place called Langley in Middleton, 1761 01:25:59,149 --> 01:26:02,300 it's just a council estate really, a rough area. 1762 01:26:02,950 --> 01:26:05,630 I didn't think it was a rough area, people from outside probably do, 1763 01:26:05,700 --> 01:26:08,560 but it wasn't the nicest of places I don't 1764 01:26:08,561 --> 01:26:12,540 suppose, but it's where I grew up and I enjoyed it. 1765 01:26:13,135 --> 01:26:16,413 We had like a square at the end of our street and a big 1766 01:26:16,414 --> 01:26:19,140 fence and I was just beating the ball against that all day. 1767 01:26:19,141 --> 01:26:22,780 And then the neighbours tried to ban me, tried to stop me playing. 1768 01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:25,076 And I think there was always arguments with my dad and 1769 01:26:25,077 --> 01:26:27,221 the next door neighbour about stopping me from playing. 1770 01:26:28,450 --> 01:26:30,560 Then you get the no ball game sign, don't you? 1771 01:26:31,300 --> 01:26:32,596 You're not allowed to play anymore. 1772 01:26:32,620 --> 01:26:34,980 You have to go off, try and play football wherever you can. 1773 01:26:36,650 --> 01:26:38,811 It's hard to explain Scholes because there's 1774 01:26:38,812 --> 01:26:41,080 probably three or four different sides to him. 1775 01:26:41,195 --> 01:26:43,258 As a character, he was always quiet, but, you 1776 01:26:43,308 --> 01:26:46,860 know, with this dry sense of humour and one-liners. 1777 01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:48,420 Finished training. 1778 01:26:48,421 --> 01:26:49,700 Straight off home. 1779 01:26:50,340 --> 01:26:52,140 You know, we would joke, where's Scholes gone? 1780 01:26:52,380 --> 01:26:53,420 Didn't even see him leave. 1781 01:26:53,990 --> 01:26:58,580 Goes back in his bat cave, in his room, his packet of wine gums, his minstrels, 1782 01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:02,180 his M&M's, whatever he has, watches his telly. 1783 01:27:02,545 --> 01:27:05,780 And the next time you see him is if you go round to his room and you go in his room 1784 01:27:05,781 --> 01:27:09,220 and it was funny because whatever time of day you'd go into Paul Scholes' room, 1785 01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:11,120 it'd be pitch black. 1786 01:27:11,630 --> 01:27:15,263 The curtains would be closed, he'd be in bed with 1787 01:27:15,264 --> 01:27:18,581 his shorts on, pitch black with the telly on. 1788 01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:22,300 I also liked the player and the person he was. 1789 01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:24,740 He was someone who didn't make a lot of noise off the pitch. 1790 01:27:25,610 --> 01:27:28,450 He was very good on the pitch, but we didn't see him much off the pitch. 1791 01:27:28,710 --> 01:27:30,620 But I suppose for me, Scholes, I love that. 1792 01:27:30,980 --> 01:27:34,480 It's just very romantic, that idea of a guy who doesn't really care about all this. 1793 01:27:34,740 --> 01:27:35,740 Not so much. 1794 01:27:35,940 --> 01:27:37,596 Not really bothered about all that, really. 1795 01:27:37,620 --> 01:27:40,920 Just wants to play the game, get on with it and live a normal life. 1796 01:27:41,480 --> 01:27:43,920 I think a lot of us relate to that, you know. 1797 01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:47,680 People ask me to do interviews and I don't have to do them. 1798 01:27:47,930 --> 01:27:49,480 To me, it's just not necessary. 1799 01:27:50,140 --> 01:27:54,367 All I wanted to do was play football and I never 1800 01:27:54,368 --> 01:27:57,981 realised that all that side came with it, really. 1801 01:27:58,230 --> 01:28:01,000 He hasn't changed as a person, he hasn't changed as a player. 1802 01:28:02,590 --> 01:28:07,000 He's just one of these naturally gifted players that just gets on with the job. 1803 01:28:07,890 --> 01:28:08,920 But he's so talented. 1804 01:28:09,285 --> 01:28:11,480 He was a frightening football player. 1805 01:28:12,140 --> 01:28:16,920 Frightening football player in terms of his awareness, intelligence, speed of thought. 1806 01:28:17,345 --> 01:28:18,376 It was evident how good he was. 1807 01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:19,860 His vision was second to none. 1808 01:28:19,900 --> 01:28:22,300 He knew before anybody what he was going to do with the ball. 1809 01:28:22,490 --> 01:28:25,400 If you had Paul Scholes on your side in training, you were winning. 1810 01:28:25,830 --> 01:28:30,000 You know, his tackles are really, really bad. 1811 01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:32,640 Never gets the ball. 1812 01:28:32,810 --> 01:28:34,804 When I foul someone, it's normally because 1813 01:28:34,805 --> 01:28:37,000 I was probably just trying to get them back. 1814 01:28:37,390 --> 01:28:39,460 If they did something to me. 1815 01:28:40,190 --> 01:28:41,870 He's a good tackler, he just likes fouling. 1816 01:28:42,030 --> 01:28:43,430 He just likes leaving a bit on him. 1817 01:28:43,630 --> 01:28:46,740 He's a good tackler, Scorsese, but he gets away with it because he... 1818 01:28:47,210 --> 01:28:50,640 Obviously, he's made this thing that he can't tackle. 1819 01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:51,856 But if he wanted to tackle, he could tackle. 1820 01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:55,100 But he likes waiting back a couple of yards to show people what he's about. 1821 01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:58,640 He was playing for Boundary when he was 13, 14, 15. 1822 01:28:58,780 --> 01:28:59,780 He was only small. 1823 01:29:00,010 --> 01:29:02,490 And I think he must have had that deep down in his head that... 1824 01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:05,296 Just because I'm small, you're not going to let you kick me up and boss me about. 1825 01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:08,420 I'll leave one or two on you just to show you that I can compete with it. 1826 01:29:08,480 --> 01:29:11,240 And he's never really lost that and he's kept that going all his life. 1827 01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:15,280 There is nothing more beautiful than seeing him arrive in that hole. 1828 01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:16,720 Everybody's fascinated. 1829 01:29:16,721 --> 01:29:18,376 There's nothing about in the penalty area. 1830 01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:22,180 There's a big hole outside the penalty area, outside the penalty box. 1831 01:29:22,565 --> 01:29:23,565 And there he is arriving. 1832 01:29:24,180 --> 01:29:25,520 All back for Scholes. 1833 01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:29,900 That's one of the kind of great moments in life, I think. 1834 01:29:29,940 --> 01:29:31,880 Seeing Paul Scholes arise for a screamer. 1835 01:29:32,470 --> 01:29:37,740 The best way I found it was trying to keep things as simple as it possibly could be. 1836 01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:42,040 I think the minute you start trying to do things you can't, you're not good at. 1837 01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:44,547 So if I wouldn't start trying dribbling, 1838 01:29:44,548 --> 01:29:46,420 trying to beat people, it'd be a waste of time. 1839 01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:49,520 I mean, if you know Scholes, you just don't turn your back on him. 1840 01:29:50,820 --> 01:29:55,240 You know, you go out and train and we'd be on a field and if you needed a piss or 1841 01:29:55,241 --> 01:29:58,160 something, you'd go over in the bushes, but you'd never turn your back. 1842 01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:01,120 I mean, you learn that as a young player, you'd never turn your back. 1843 01:30:01,180 --> 01:30:03,400 So you'd be, you know, you'd be... 1844 01:30:03,401 --> 01:30:06,100 I was trying to hit someone on the back of the head. 1845 01:30:06,140 --> 01:30:08,580 Not intensely, well, a little bit intensely. 1846 01:30:08,620 --> 01:30:10,820 Just aim for him if they weren't quite watching. 1847 01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:15,940 You'd go over and Scholes would just be peppering balls at him. 1848 01:30:15,941 --> 01:30:19,980 And now and again, he'd obviously hit you, more often than not, actually. 1849 01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:23,900 So if you were new or if you were a foreign player and you didn't know 1850 01:30:23,901 --> 01:30:28,180 Scholes, you soon got to know, if you're going to have a piss, 1851 01:30:28,300 --> 01:30:29,900 then don't turn your back. 1852 01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:32,360 One day I did catch Phil Neville with a beauty, actually. 1853 01:30:32,380 --> 01:30:35,500 He was about 60 yards away, right on the other side of the pitch. 1854 01:30:35,660 --> 01:30:38,460 And I think he was doing a bit of extra running after training. 1855 01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:40,958 A few lads were sat down up and I've smacked 1856 01:30:40,959 --> 01:30:43,220 a ball and it's just hitting full on the head. 1857 01:30:43,300 --> 01:30:45,420 And he's gone down eating grass and everything. 1858 01:30:45,421 --> 01:30:48,760 And it was on the floor pissing ourselves. 1859 01:30:48,780 --> 01:30:50,700 And he didn't have a clue which one of us it was. 1860 01:30:50,820 --> 01:30:53,060 It was one of them perfect moments. 1861 01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:58,160 But like I say, I just saw that as a bit of passing practice, really. 1862 01:31:06,290 --> 01:31:10,590 The FA Cup final, to me, and probably to you as well, growing up as a kid, 1863 01:31:10,710 --> 01:31:14,050 it's something you look forward to. 1864 01:31:14,090 --> 01:31:18,338 The Twin Towers at Wembley, just a full day, I think, getting 1865 01:31:18,339 --> 01:31:21,131 up from nine o'clock in the morning, whoever's playing in it. 1866 01:31:21,465 --> 01:31:23,665 It was just the biggest day of the football year for me. 1867 01:31:24,390 --> 01:31:28,490 It was the biggest thing in my eyes as a kid, was the FA Cup final. 1868 01:31:29,900 --> 01:31:34,350 And to even think about being able to be involved in one or a couple of them was 1869 01:31:34,351 --> 01:31:37,230 just something you'd laugh about as a kid, wouldn't you? 1870 01:31:37,250 --> 01:31:38,639 If you told your teacher you were going to do 1871 01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:40,891 that, he'd probably piss himself laughing at you. 1872 01:31:41,910 --> 01:31:45,870 Growing up, like I say, the FA Cup, just, it was huge. 1873 01:31:46,490 --> 01:31:48,190 The game, the build-up. 1874 01:31:49,730 --> 01:31:51,370 And also what we got to do. 1875 01:31:51,371 --> 01:31:54,970 What we got to experience was FA Cup songs as well. 1876 01:31:55,110 --> 01:32:01,470 Here we go, here we go When you're singing with one united voice You're letting us 1877 01:32:01,471 --> 01:32:07,170 know we have no choice but to carry on Our winning ways seem to be our... 1878 01:32:07,370 --> 01:32:09,990 You've probably got footage of the songs as well, haven't you? 1879 01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:17,500 They're just embarrassing, it's shocking, aren't they? 1880 01:32:17,995 --> 01:32:22,580 It's just something that's so much out of my comfort zone. 1881 01:32:22,581 --> 01:32:23,520 It's untrue. 1882 01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:24,600 I just... 1883 01:32:24,905 --> 01:32:28,200 You know, I remember some rapper or something, I can't even remember his name, 1884 01:32:28,300 --> 01:32:32,740 coming to the dressing room and we're all up dancing, trying to dance on the side, 1885 01:32:32,900 --> 01:32:34,960 on the benches where you get changed. 1886 01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:36,160 It's just so embarrassing. 1887 01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:41,660 Three, four, two, three, four, two, three, four And we did the video in 1888 01:32:41,661 --> 01:32:44,940 the dressing room and we're all sort of, you know, it's sort of a hip-hop feel. 1889 01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:49,840 And I don't think Scorsese enjoyed that with a baseball cap on the side. 1890 01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:52,220 He wasn't giving it all that in the dressing room. 1891 01:32:52,221 --> 01:32:54,820 But it was, yeah, it was cringe-worthy. 1892 01:32:55,305 --> 01:32:56,888 It was stupid, the camera panning on us and we're 1893 01:32:56,912 --> 01:33:00,320 all in that training kit, dancing around like idiots. 1894 01:33:00,480 --> 01:33:01,520 And there was another one. 1895 01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:04,480 But they were a big part of the FA Cup final. 1896 01:33:05,650 --> 01:33:07,136 Was it the John Barnes one with Liverpool? 1897 01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:08,680 It was good, wasn't it? 1898 01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:09,760 It was good to watch. 1899 01:33:10,750 --> 01:33:12,470 But to be involved in that, it was horrible. 1900 01:33:13,870 --> 01:33:17,860 The FA Cup final is the time-honoured finale to the domestic season. 1901 01:33:18,420 --> 01:33:23,720 But if Manchester United can complete the English double here tonight, a European 1902 01:33:23,721 --> 01:33:26,880 treble, a unique treble falls within their compass. 1903 01:33:27,180 --> 01:33:31,480 So the FA Cup final comes on the Saturday and we just want peace. 1904 01:33:32,020 --> 01:33:35,640 We're playing against Newcastle and you just want a comfortable game. 1905 01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:37,520 You never get that in an FA Cup final. 1906 01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:39,440 It's always nervy, it's always tense. 1907 01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:41,780 But we got a comfortable game. 1908 01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:44,240 We played really well in the first half. 1909 01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:46,800 We lost Keeney after about 20 minutes, which was a blow. 1910 01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:48,640 And then Teddy came on. 1911 01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:52,200 Even in adversity, things that went wrong for us ended up being a problem. 1912 01:33:52,220 --> 01:33:54,300 We were positive because the lad that came on scored. 1913 01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:56,040 Scholes. 1914 01:33:56,041 --> 01:33:57,680 That's perfect for Shearingham! 1915 01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:00,320 The substitute scores instantly! 1916 01:34:00,780 --> 01:34:04,215 And Paul Scholes, who won't have any part to play 1917 01:34:04,216 --> 01:34:07,401 in Barcelona, sadly, played a big part in that goal. 1918 01:34:07,940 --> 01:34:10,249 And Scholes, he manages to do what he normally 1919 01:34:10,250 --> 01:34:12,961 does, scores big goals on big occasions. 1920 01:34:15,020 --> 01:34:17,930 Just to play one, but to score in the FA Cup 1921 01:34:17,931 --> 01:34:21,921 final, to me, it's the best thing I've done. 1922 01:34:23,420 --> 01:34:24,420 Scholes, H2! 1923 01:34:24,580 --> 01:34:29,600 I think, again, like Scholes, it sort of goes under the radar, that goal. 1924 01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:31,923 Part of me thinks he was happy that he was 1925 01:34:31,924 --> 01:34:34,180 sandwiched in between two of the biggest games. 1926 01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:35,120 He scored the winning goal. 1927 01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:38,360 Not only did he score the winning goal in the Cup final, your face is on the front 1928 01:34:38,361 --> 01:34:42,300 page of the newspapers and you showed all summer, and you just got lost in the 1929 01:34:42,301 --> 01:34:46,200 euphoria of the previous seven days and the next three days. 1930 01:34:46,460 --> 01:34:50,620 And it sums up Scholes' character in a way, because he wasn't bothered. 1931 01:34:50,621 --> 01:34:55,200 This was a lad that was just scored the winning goal, FA Cup final, go home, 1932 01:34:55,300 --> 01:34:58,080 play with his kids, have a beer, end of story. 1933 01:35:00,910 --> 01:35:07,700 One thing that the times did represent and in a way those individuals represented was 1934 01:35:07,701 --> 01:35:12,740 an understanding that although we lived in more individualistic times, yet there was 1935 01:35:12,741 --> 01:35:18,400 still a unique capacity to be greater together than you were alone. 1936 01:35:18,750 --> 01:35:20,190 I think in our eyes, we were just... 1937 01:35:21,575 --> 01:35:22,976 playing a game of football with our mates. 1938 01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:24,060 I know it sounds a bit... 1939 01:35:26,045 --> 01:35:26,660 It sounds a bit stupid. 1940 01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:30,760 You think, God, you're playing for Man United, but we were lucky enough to play 1941 01:35:30,761 --> 01:35:34,020 well together and at the same time, we're playing for the biggest club in the world. 1942 01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:35,196 We bounced off each other. 1943 01:35:35,220 --> 01:35:35,880 We were all pals. 1944 01:35:35,980 --> 01:35:37,720 We all went out, socialised together. 1945 01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:39,720 We'd even go out with our girlfriends in groups. 1946 01:35:40,410 --> 01:35:43,188 It was just six young lads who were enjoying 1947 01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:45,680 life like you couldn't believe, really. 1948 01:35:45,780 --> 01:35:46,860 It was just like a dream. 1949 01:35:47,610 --> 01:35:51,640 No matter where we were from, no matter how we were brought up, no matter what 1950 01:35:51,641 --> 01:35:55,302 we'd been through throughout B Team, A Team, 1951 01:35:55,303 --> 01:35:58,561 Reserve Team years, we all had each other's back. 1952 01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:01,880 When you're talking about brothers, me and my brother, it wasn't just that. 1953 01:36:01,950 --> 01:36:03,070 Everyone was like a brother. 1954 01:36:03,580 --> 01:36:06,900 No matter whether you'd grown through the ranks or whether it was a team-mate that'd 1955 01:36:07,130 --> 01:36:08,850 been bought in, you really looked after one. 1956 01:36:09,125 --> 01:36:12,860 If someone got hurt, we always tried to make sure we got the person back. 1957 01:36:14,350 --> 01:36:16,040 And it was usually Nicky that did. 1958 01:36:27,010 --> 01:36:29,890 THEY SING Growing up in Gorton was just a joy, really. 1959 01:36:29,990 --> 01:36:30,870 It was all with all my mates. 1960 01:36:30,990 --> 01:36:32,390 It was a real working-class place. 1961 01:36:33,570 --> 01:36:34,890 Everyone looked after each other. 1962 01:36:34,970 --> 01:36:37,050 No matter where you went, the doors were always open. 1963 01:36:37,410 --> 01:36:42,370 But it's from Gorton, and I think it's where they film Shameless, so it gives you 1964 01:36:42,371 --> 01:36:44,212 a bit of an idea of the area, but obviously, 1965 01:36:44,224 --> 01:36:45,830 but he's proud of where he comes from. 1966 01:36:46,130 --> 01:36:49,450 I think one of his first cars was an Orion. 1967 01:36:49,830 --> 01:36:55,431 I remember getting it once, and I looked down, and there's a chain about that thick. 1968 01:36:56,790 --> 01:36:57,930 Boy, what is that? 1969 01:36:58,150 --> 01:36:59,150 He went, no, no. 1970 01:36:59,230 --> 01:37:01,290 Where I live, you've got to have one of these. 1971 01:37:01,650 --> 01:37:04,970 And he used to wrap it round the gear stick, wrap it round the steering wheel, 1972 01:37:05,190 --> 01:37:06,386 and it was the thickest chain. 1973 01:37:06,410 --> 01:37:07,930 I'm surprised the car could even move. 1974 01:37:08,060 --> 01:37:11,770 It was like an anchor, and it was just purely for security. 1975 01:37:12,330 --> 01:37:13,330 He was a tough lad. 1976 01:37:13,410 --> 01:37:19,490 He was streetwise, and if there was ever any trouble, then you knew you could just 1977 01:37:19,491 --> 01:37:22,410 look to your right or left, and Nicky would be there to sort it out. 1978 01:37:22,411 --> 01:37:25,570 I think he looked after Gary a few times as well, actually. 1979 01:37:25,790 --> 01:37:26,430 Down tunnels. 1980 01:37:26,630 --> 01:37:28,650 It's always nice to have, you know, a couple of lads alongside you, innit? 1981 01:37:29,325 --> 01:37:33,150 He wasn't the biggest Butty, but he had good technique of how to get into people, 1982 01:37:33,290 --> 01:37:33,790 you know what I mean? 1983 01:37:34,050 --> 01:37:35,650 You know, people know how to hit people. 1984 01:37:35,830 --> 01:37:36,730 But he's Butty. 1985 01:37:36,790 --> 01:37:38,890 I mean, he's a fantastic soldier. 1986 01:37:39,010 --> 01:37:42,050 He's a typical cotton scallywag. 1987 01:37:42,930 --> 01:37:46,590 I always thought Butty would be the first to make the first team when he came to us. 1988 01:37:46,730 --> 01:37:47,730 I always thought that. 1989 01:37:48,180 --> 01:37:49,530 He was more mature than the rest. 1990 01:37:49,970 --> 01:37:51,950 I think he'd lived a life before he came to us. 1991 01:37:52,350 --> 01:37:55,670 Nicky, at youth level, was the best player in the team. 1992 01:37:56,340 --> 01:37:57,740 He had an unbelievable temperament. 1993 01:37:57,770 --> 01:38:00,590 He could play on any stage, any level, and not be phased. 1994 01:38:04,955 --> 01:38:09,240 We started thinking this was going to be magical, probably after the FA Cup, 1995 01:38:10,005 --> 01:38:12,845 cos all the hype was about the treble, but we never really mentioned it. 1996 01:38:13,130 --> 01:38:16,460 Everyone must have thought about it deep down, but never come out vocally. 1997 01:38:17,570 --> 01:38:21,255 We had a big problem because Keeney and Scholes, 1998 01:38:21,256 --> 01:38:24,561 they were banned for the final European Cup. 1999 01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:25,760 Scholes tackled. 2000 01:38:26,180 --> 01:38:27,180 Well, he won the ball. 2001 01:38:28,260 --> 01:38:32,620 But the... Oh, it's a yellow card, and he'll miss the final if United get there. 2002 01:38:32,900 --> 01:38:35,786 I knew from that point I wasn't going to be available 2003 01:38:35,787 --> 01:38:38,001 for the Champions League final, and that was that. 2004 01:38:38,705 --> 01:38:39,745 Nothing could do about it. 2005 01:38:40,340 --> 01:38:40,980 Do you know what I mean? 2006 01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:44,020 Obviously, he disappointed the team, a little bit disappointed in his dressing 2007 01:38:44,021 --> 01:38:46,840 room, but the most important thing was that we'd got there. 2008 01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:52,020 I think the biggest disappointment was Ryan missing it, cos he's been so good in 2009 01:38:52,021 --> 01:38:54,220 that semi-final that he was going to be the man. 2010 01:38:54,221 --> 01:38:56,901 It was a major problem in the final for us, really, not having Ryan. 2011 01:39:07,600 --> 01:39:12,180 We needed someone... 2012 01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:15,250 We needed someone that was willing to take the fight to 2013 01:39:15,251 --> 01:39:18,400 Bayern Munich, and in Nicky Butt, we had the perfect person. 2014 01:39:18,630 --> 01:39:19,630 He's fearless. 2015 01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:22,200 You know, you go to war, you take Nicky Butt with you. 2016 01:39:22,540 --> 01:39:26,060 You know, the manager told him, forget the FA Cup final. 2017 01:39:26,660 --> 01:39:27,240 Forget it. 2018 01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:29,276 You're playing in the Champions League final. 2019 01:39:29,300 --> 01:39:30,340 You know, I can't risk it. 2020 01:39:30,380 --> 01:39:32,680 I was distraught, I was thinking... I was devastated. 2021 01:39:32,820 --> 01:39:35,316 I was thinking, well, I was just saying to the manager, where's the FA Cup? 2022 01:39:35,340 --> 01:39:37,925 But I knew, ultimately, the end, the reward at 2023 01:39:37,926 --> 01:39:40,920 the end was massive for myself and the club. 2024 01:39:42,020 --> 01:39:46,540 He's the, you know, the only real proper centre midfielder in the team, 2025 01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:49,960 so there was a bit of pressure on him as well, and it was against a very good team. 2026 01:39:52,380 --> 01:39:53,580 They're showing the character now. 2027 01:39:53,581 --> 01:39:58,520 The team spirit has been fantastic since beating Liverpool in the Cup tie. 2028 01:39:58,740 --> 01:40:01,541 It's sort of a focus on the essential of never 2029 01:40:01,542 --> 01:40:04,381 giving in and team spirit and determination. 2030 01:40:04,900 --> 01:40:07,800 I was completely on my arse, and they had to sell me Lambretta. 2031 01:40:08,060 --> 01:40:11,180 The most prized possession is my Lambretta scooter. 2032 01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:15,760 And I sold it on the Monday, the game was on the Wednesday, and then booked us on a 2033 01:40:15,761 --> 01:40:19,030 week's holiday to Salou, and then give 400 quid 2034 01:40:19,031 --> 01:40:21,840 each for a ticket outside the ground, and we're in. 2035 01:40:22,060 --> 01:40:24,160 It was any means necessary, you know. 2036 01:40:29,145 --> 01:40:31,680 The new camp is one of the iconic venues. 2037 01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:33,120 It wasn't plush. 2038 01:40:33,500 --> 01:40:34,680 It was pretty old, really. 2039 01:40:34,980 --> 01:40:37,800 You go down the tunnel, it was bare concrete walls. 2040 01:40:38,240 --> 01:40:40,040 On the right-hand side, there's a little room. 2041 01:40:40,540 --> 01:40:43,660 It's like a little chapel where you go in and pray. 2042 01:40:44,105 --> 01:40:46,960 Before you go in out to get killed, you've got to go and say a prayer first 2043 01:40:46,961 --> 01:40:49,780 type thing, and then you come to the bottom of the tunnel. 2044 01:40:50,020 --> 01:40:52,478 At the new camp, the steps go up, and as you're coming 2045 01:40:52,498 --> 01:40:56,240 up the steps, all you can see is the stadium above you. 2046 01:40:56,380 --> 01:40:59,620 Manchester United were the first English club to lift the European Cup, 2047 01:40:59,780 --> 01:41:04,340 but no Manchester United team, no English team has ever won this treble. 2048 01:41:04,680 --> 01:41:05,980 History beckons tonight. 2049 01:41:06,860 --> 01:41:09,900 The amount of Man United fans out there was phenomenal compared to Munich. 2050 01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:11,800 It took out three-quarters of the ground. 2051 01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:15,151 You knew you were in a massive game then, and then you just look for your family, 2052 01:41:15,175 --> 01:41:17,415 give them a little wave, and then it's just game on then. 2053 01:41:18,250 --> 01:41:19,300 This is it for us. 2054 01:41:19,380 --> 01:41:23,951 This is the moment where we've become Manchester 2055 01:41:23,952 --> 01:41:27,041 United, or we just win the league and the FA Cup. 2056 01:41:28,140 --> 01:41:30,620 The game didn't go great, obviously, with the start. 2057 01:41:31,820 --> 01:41:35,820 And they were such a powerful team, such an experienced team, that you thought 2058 01:41:35,821 --> 01:41:39,700 back in your mind, is it one too many to come back in this game? 2059 01:41:39,780 --> 01:41:40,600 We've done it so much. 2060 01:41:40,740 --> 01:41:42,700 Have we run out of luck? 2061 01:41:42,740 --> 01:41:46,860 Have we run out of something at the crucial point? 2062 01:41:47,180 --> 01:41:51,760 And Manchester United, as they've done time and time again on this European run, 2063 01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:53,260 have made it hard for them. 2064 01:41:53,261 --> 01:41:54,701 They've done so much for themselves. 2065 01:41:54,780 --> 01:41:59,200 At half-time, I remember the managers sitting down with us and I could tell, 2066 01:41:59,620 --> 01:42:02,180 you know, there was a few nerves throughout the team and players. 2067 01:42:03,030 --> 01:42:07,940 He told us, just think how you would feel if you had to walk past that Champions 2068 01:42:07,941 --> 01:42:11,260 League trophy and you couldn't touch it, you couldn't pick it up. 2069 01:42:13,210 --> 01:42:14,330 You know, you hadn't won it. 2070 01:42:15,320 --> 01:42:19,820 So, you know, if you're feeling tired or if you feel like you can't run any more, 2071 01:42:20,135 --> 01:42:21,080 just think of that. 2072 01:42:21,081 --> 01:42:23,567 Just think of having to walk past it and you can't 2073 01:42:23,627 --> 01:42:26,220 pick it up, you can't touch it, you can't kiss it. 2074 01:42:27,540 --> 01:42:31,600 The only doubts that I ever had were probably in the last half an hour of the 2075 01:42:31,601 --> 01:42:34,560 Champions League final because, by and mean, it was still getting chances. 2076 01:42:35,480 --> 01:42:38,146 They were hitting the bar, they were hitting 2077 01:42:38,158 --> 01:42:40,420 the post and we weren't playing well. 2078 01:42:40,580 --> 01:42:41,860 Things weren't happening for us. 2079 01:42:42,300 --> 01:42:43,660 We weren't getting our crosses in. 2080 01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:44,960 I wasn't overlapping. 2081 01:42:45,300 --> 01:42:46,880 Giggs wasn't getting his dribbles in. 2082 01:42:47,380 --> 01:42:50,260 We didn't have the combinations between York and Cole. 2083 01:42:50,261 --> 01:42:52,080 They were things that we'd done all year. 2084 01:42:52,220 --> 01:42:54,460 There was no momentum in the game. 2085 01:42:54,880 --> 01:42:56,527 And all of a sudden, with about 15 minutes 2086 01:42:56,528 --> 01:42:58,380 to go, Becks came out to the right-hand side. 2087 01:42:58,780 --> 01:43:00,040 We made a couple of changes. 2088 01:43:00,820 --> 01:43:06,000 Teddy came on, Oli came on and all of a sudden I thought, here we go. 2089 01:43:08,020 --> 01:43:10,320 It was disaster for the club, Roy Keane, missing it. 2090 01:43:10,340 --> 01:43:11,340 Disaster for Roy Keane. 2091 01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:15,660 But maybe that was God's way of saying, this is Nicky Butt's moment. 2092 01:43:16,980 --> 01:43:22,140 If people ever sort of doubted how good a player Buttie was, then that shows 2093 01:43:22,141 --> 01:43:25,980 everything about the player, because he was just a rock that night. 2094 01:43:27,240 --> 01:43:28,000 It was immense. 2095 01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:28,600 I was there. 2096 01:43:28,940 --> 01:43:29,940 What a guy. 2097 01:43:30,430 --> 01:43:31,480 Gorton, there you go. 2098 01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:33,220 He's from Manchester. 2099 01:43:33,400 --> 01:43:34,400 He knows what it meant. 2100 01:43:34,660 --> 01:43:35,660 You know what I mean? 2101 01:43:35,860 --> 01:43:37,733 But if it goes back to fundamentally what it was 2102 01:43:37,757 --> 01:43:39,540 about, it was keep driving forward, keep attacking. 2103 01:43:40,025 --> 01:43:45,000 We got corner after corner after corner, and with people like Becks on the pitch, 2104 01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:48,820 just put balls in like that, and the attacking power we had, and the aerial 2105 01:43:48,821 --> 01:43:52,160 power we had, it's shown to be a matter of time. 2106 01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:56,080 Manchester United teams under Sir Alex Ferguson always went to the end. 2107 01:43:56,500 --> 01:43:56,940 Always. 2108 01:43:57,400 --> 01:43:59,880 Because we always felt, get one goal, we'll always get another. 2109 01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:01,040 We'll always get a chance. 2110 01:44:01,290 --> 01:44:02,290 Three minutes to go. 2111 01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:03,420 Don't panic. 2112 01:44:03,580 --> 01:44:04,600 We always get a chance. 2113 01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:07,220 Three added minutes. 2114 01:44:07,460 --> 01:44:08,460 David Beckham. 2115 01:44:09,460 --> 01:44:10,460 Now Gary... 2116 01:44:11,900 --> 01:44:13,420 Cross deflected. 2117 01:44:13,460 --> 01:44:14,920 Effenberg behind for a corner. 2118 01:44:15,140 --> 01:44:16,680 Can Manchester United score? 2119 01:44:16,681 --> 01:44:18,060 They always score. 2120 01:44:18,300 --> 01:44:20,220 I remember sprinting over to the corner. 2121 01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:22,784 I had a good feeling, because I knew that I'd 2122 01:44:22,785 --> 01:44:25,961 been kind of playing pretty well in the game. 2123 01:44:26,640 --> 01:44:29,760 And I remember putting the ball down, and it was really tight in the corners. 2124 01:44:29,980 --> 01:44:36,460 I could hear the United fans, but I was just concentrating more on watching Peter 2125 01:44:36,461 --> 01:44:42,680 Schmeichel run up from his goal, and knowing that, as a kid, if I put a bad 2126 01:44:42,681 --> 01:44:46,201 cross in while we're warming the goalkeepers 2127 01:44:46,213 --> 01:44:48,960 up, Pete would absolutely kill us. 2128 01:44:49,080 --> 01:44:51,930 Yeah, I think those moments when I was a youth 2129 01:44:51,931 --> 01:44:55,321 team player prepared me for moments like this. 2130 01:44:55,700 --> 01:44:56,700 Schmeichel is forward. 2131 01:44:56,820 --> 01:44:58,080 Can he score another in Europe? 2132 01:44:58,140 --> 01:44:59,380 He's got one in Europe already. 2133 01:44:59,480 --> 01:44:59,560 Beckham. 2134 01:44:59,820 --> 01:45:01,100 In towards Schmeichel. 2135 01:45:01,260 --> 01:45:02,460 It's come for Dwight York. 2136 01:45:03,340 --> 01:45:03,820 Clear. 2137 01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:04,660 Giggs with the shot. 2138 01:45:04,860 --> 01:45:05,860 Cherry. 2139 01:45:08,780 --> 01:45:10,580 So then we were back in the game. 2140 01:45:10,940 --> 01:45:12,160 Everyone was celebrating. 2141 01:45:12,180 --> 01:45:14,980 Everyone was like, you know, we've got it to extra time. 2142 01:45:15,320 --> 01:45:16,500 I looked at... 2143 01:45:16,501 --> 01:45:20,400 the players that I'd grown up with on the pitch at that 2144 01:45:20,401 --> 01:45:24,900 time, and I knew that they knew that it wasn't over. 2145 01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:30,620 Thinking, shit, we've got extra time now. 2146 01:45:30,680 --> 01:45:31,540 I'd better get my legs going again. 2147 01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:33,594 So I've sprinted right back for like about 50 2148 01:45:33,595 --> 01:45:35,640 yards to try and get some blood going from my legs. 2149 01:45:35,820 --> 01:45:42,160 As soon as we equalised, my mindset just switched. 2150 01:45:42,280 --> 01:45:43,836 Get this to extra time, we're going to beat him. 2151 01:45:43,860 --> 01:45:45,220 That was my mindset straight away. 2152 01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:46,480 We're going to beat him in extra time. 2153 01:45:46,481 --> 01:45:51,280 And then for the next minute and a half, I couldn't even tell you what happened. 2154 01:45:51,500 --> 01:45:53,080 That's an out-of-body experience, that. 2155 01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:56,480 We won the ball back again. 2156 01:45:56,560 --> 01:45:57,380 We broke forward. 2157 01:45:57,540 --> 01:45:58,540 We got another corner. 2158 01:45:59,200 --> 01:46:00,200 I'm getting goosebumps. 2159 01:46:00,320 --> 01:46:01,920 I can feel it. 2160 01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:06,387 I remember the feeling of getting that ball in the corner, 2161 01:46:06,388 --> 01:46:09,040 knowing that I'm going to put a good corner in again. 2162 01:46:13,620 --> 01:46:16,460 And then everything just literally erupted. 2163 01:46:28,700 --> 01:46:31,200 This was what was meant to happen. 2164 01:46:31,820 --> 01:46:35,180 There's no greater feeling than scoring in the last minute to win a game. 2165 01:46:35,360 --> 01:46:36,540 You know, I've had kids. 2166 01:46:37,260 --> 01:46:37,980 I've had kids. 2167 01:46:38,020 --> 01:46:38,620 I've got married. 2168 01:46:38,720 --> 01:46:40,960 But it's the greatest feeling in the whole wide world. 2169 01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:42,996 I don't remember the final whistle to be honest with you. 2170 01:46:43,020 --> 01:46:44,420 It was like the game was over then. 2171 01:46:47,860 --> 01:46:50,020 As soon as the final whistle went, it was relief. 2172 01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:50,880 It was excitement. 2173 01:46:51,180 --> 01:46:52,400 It was joy. 2174 01:46:52,640 --> 01:46:53,940 It was everything. 2175 01:46:54,100 --> 01:46:57,100 And I just went to my knees and just started sobbing. 2176 01:46:57,540 --> 01:47:01,080 I just remember lying on the floor, looking up, thinking, almost nearly crying 2177 01:47:01,081 --> 01:47:04,500 on the pitch, thinking, oh, my God, what has just happened here? 2178 01:47:04,740 --> 01:47:05,740 I went up to Gary. 2179 01:47:05,820 --> 01:47:07,340 The lights were on when nobody was in. 2180 01:47:07,420 --> 01:47:08,760 His eyes were glazed. 2181 01:47:09,080 --> 01:47:10,460 His eyeballs were rolling. 2182 01:47:10,720 --> 01:47:14,348 I looked up and the first person coming towards me 2183 01:47:14,349 --> 01:47:17,341 was the gaffer and just got up and just hugged him. 2184 01:47:17,500 --> 01:47:19,011 But that night, you felt like you were 2185 01:47:19,023 --> 01:47:20,780 hugging and you just never wanted to let go. 2186 01:47:21,020 --> 01:47:23,020 The best feeling I've ever had on a football pitch. 2187 01:47:23,300 --> 01:47:24,300 Best. 2188 01:47:25,100 --> 01:47:26,260 Best I've ever felt. 2189 01:47:26,261 --> 01:47:31,420 It's the greatest day of my life, and it's hard for me to comprehend it. 2190 01:47:31,680 --> 01:47:33,160 Gary Neville, 24. 2191 01:47:33,440 --> 01:47:34,460 Phil Neville, 22. 2192 01:47:34,760 --> 01:47:36,120 David Beckham, 24. 2193 01:47:36,360 --> 01:47:37,620 Nicky Butt, 24. 2194 01:47:37,960 --> 01:47:38,960 Geeks, 25. 2195 01:47:39,500 --> 01:47:45,881 Whatever they achieve in their futures, I doubt that they will ever, ever cap this. 2196 01:47:46,900 --> 01:47:50,200 Manchester United are champions of Europe again. 2197 01:47:50,840 --> 01:47:54,560 I remember feeling Scolzi should have been out there with us. 2198 01:47:54,895 --> 01:47:59,200 The image that I like most is when we all make a tunnel for Scolzi and Keeney and 2199 01:47:59,201 --> 01:48:03,180 they come through and carry the European Cup because they were absolutely critical 2200 01:48:03,181 --> 01:48:05,100 to everything that we achieved that season. 2201 01:48:05,420 --> 01:48:08,900 I'd have rather just gone in the dressing room and waited for everyone, really, 2202 01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:14,220 and congratulated people that way, but, you know, I suppose the players made 2203 01:48:14,221 --> 01:48:20,280 a big deal out of it and me and Roy, embarrassingly, were on the pitch. 2204 01:48:30,310 --> 01:48:31,730 I'll never, ever forget that. 2205 01:48:31,770 --> 01:48:35,390 After all them years of waiting, and then to see your team win the 2206 01:48:35,391 --> 01:48:38,650 Champions League in your lifetime in such amazing fashion. 2207 01:48:39,640 --> 01:48:40,610 In fact, I missed the winning goal. 2208 01:48:40,650 --> 01:48:43,890 I was crying like a baby once that first goal went in. 2209 01:48:45,290 --> 01:48:46,370 I missed the winning goal. 2210 01:48:46,470 --> 01:48:50,570 I was just slumped on my seat, just out of it, emotionally, gone, you know? 2211 01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:52,410 I've always been... 2212 01:48:54,665 --> 01:48:56,790 ..never got carried away, never ever got carried away. 2213 01:48:56,890 --> 01:48:59,072 I nearly got carried away that night, you know, 2214 01:48:59,073 --> 01:49:01,591 but so excited, but it made me immensely proud. 2215 01:49:05,050 --> 01:49:05,670 It made me feel like I was in heaven. 2216 01:49:05,671 --> 01:49:08,844 The romance of the last-minute, never-say-die 2217 01:49:08,944 --> 01:49:11,490 moment of them winning, I suppose, was very special. 2218 01:49:12,770 --> 01:49:19,190 That continuity between the Busby Babes being lost as a team, you know, 2219 01:49:19,230 --> 01:49:25,830 that potential, that wonder that was so tragically interrupted and then being 2220 01:49:25,831 --> 01:49:30,930 renewed by that manager again ten years later to win the European Cup and then 30 2221 01:49:30,931 --> 01:49:34,510 years later, to have to wait 30 years, to see them do it again was... 2222 01:49:35,140 --> 01:49:36,980 Yeah, it's very, very special, I think, really. 2223 01:49:39,950 --> 01:49:43,690 You were massively aware that night of what you were representing and the history 2224 01:49:44,090 --> 01:49:50,250 of the club because that's where the club and all its tradition, all its history 2225 01:49:50,251 --> 01:49:53,677 that it's got comes back and just comes all into one moment 2226 01:49:53,678 --> 01:49:56,071 and that night seemed to be just one of those moments. 2227 01:49:59,890 --> 01:50:04,450 I think winning the European Cup was massive for anybody, but you've won it 2228 01:50:04,451 --> 01:50:09,090 with lads that you grew up with all your life and they've got good pictures now of 2229 01:50:09,091 --> 01:50:11,493 the six of us with the effort with the European Cup 2230 01:50:11,494 --> 01:50:13,911 and it's like some of us near each other from 12. 2231 01:50:15,510 --> 01:50:16,510 I never look back. 2232 01:50:16,730 --> 01:50:17,746 I don't like looking back. 2233 01:50:17,770 --> 01:50:18,846 I always like to look forward. 2234 01:50:18,870 --> 01:50:20,626 But if you said to me, could you live ten days again? 2235 01:50:20,650 --> 01:50:21,730 It would be those ten days. 2236 01:50:22,090 --> 01:50:23,090 It's unbelievable. 2237 01:50:26,480 --> 01:50:27,680 It's a perfect script. 2238 01:50:30,700 --> 01:50:31,700 Yeah. 2239 01:50:31,880 --> 01:50:32,880 It's dramatic. 2240 01:50:34,240 --> 01:50:36,660 Only sports can give you this kind of emotion. 2241 01:50:37,080 --> 01:50:40,880 They win the Cup in Barcelona, simply because of their character. 2242 01:50:42,100 --> 01:50:44,260 Many people say we're wacky. 2243 01:50:45,025 --> 01:50:49,140 You could say that, but I don't think what I thought was their character won it. 2244 01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:52,167 We had a great bunch of boys who were getting 2245 01:50:52,168 --> 01:50:53,980 better every game and they did it together. 2246 01:50:54,360 --> 01:50:56,320 That was an important thing, they did it together. 2247 01:50:56,640 --> 01:50:59,510 The one thing when you look back in 100 years, the 2248 01:50:59,560 --> 01:51:04,020 treble of 99, there will never be forgotten that. 2249 01:51:04,360 --> 01:51:07,475 I think there are special moments in time 2250 01:51:07,476 --> 01:51:10,240 when a whole series of things come together. 2251 01:51:10,750 --> 01:51:16,060 When you had those young people from very ordinary backgrounds who suddenly 2252 01:51:16,061 --> 01:51:22,220 symbolised, represented something new and had that extraordinary ability to achieve 2253 01:51:22,221 --> 01:51:27,900 and to achieve in a way that people hadn't done before. 2254 01:51:28,270 --> 01:51:33,580 You always hope and think that things will happen again, but will there ever be a 2255 01:51:33,581 --> 01:51:38,062 time where six lads who grew up from the age of 12, 13, 2256 01:51:38,063 --> 01:51:41,600 come through and win a treble, having supported the club? 2257 01:51:42,440 --> 01:51:43,440 I'm not sure. 2258 01:51:44,210 --> 01:51:45,530 I'm not sure it can happen again. 2259 01:51:45,650 --> 01:51:47,896 I'm not sure of football, the way in which it's going to go. 2260 01:51:47,920 --> 01:51:49,905 I'm not sure of football and the way in the immediacy 2261 01:51:49,906 --> 01:51:51,821 of life now where everything's got to be instant. 2262 01:51:52,080 --> 01:51:54,983 I don't think you'll ever see the six, seven 2263 01:51:54,984 --> 01:51:57,660 players coming through in British football again. 2264 01:51:58,000 --> 01:52:00,216 Well, you probably dream about playing for Man United, don't you? 2265 01:52:00,240 --> 01:52:05,520 But the reality is, for most people, it's not going to happen. 2266 01:52:06,150 --> 01:52:08,580 And we were just the lucky ones that it did happen to do. 2267 01:52:09,280 --> 01:52:11,904 We managed to all play with each other through, right 2268 01:52:11,984 --> 01:52:14,281 through the youth team, straight through to the first team. 2269 01:52:14,305 --> 01:52:16,520 And it doesn't really happen at many places. 2270 01:52:16,720 --> 01:52:19,420 And will anything like that happen again? 2271 01:52:19,560 --> 01:52:20,560 I'm not too sure. 2272 01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:28,100 Until recently, where I sat back and looked at old videos, looked at old 2273 01:52:28,101 --> 01:52:32,637 pictures and really kind of thought about what it 2274 01:52:32,638 --> 01:52:35,840 was like with these players that I'd grown up with. 2275 01:52:36,100 --> 01:52:37,140 To win what we'd won. 2276 01:52:37,390 --> 01:52:40,560 To turn around and see, you know, Gary behind me. 2277 01:52:40,900 --> 01:52:42,780 We'd grown up in those positions. 2278 01:52:43,625 --> 01:52:46,660 You know, to look to the side and see Scholesy and Buttey and Giggsie. 2279 01:52:46,965 --> 01:52:48,500 You know, to look back, see Phil. 2280 01:52:49,235 --> 01:52:51,500 You know, this was... 2281 01:52:53,120 --> 01:52:55,964 This was more special than anything that I've been 2282 01:52:55,965 --> 01:52:58,880 involved in through my whole life and my whole career. 198108

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