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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,154 --> 00:00:05,120 Okay, John, can you hear me all right? 2 00:00:05,220 --> 00:00:05,660 Yes, sir. 3 00:00:06,180 --> 00:00:08,496 I'll be talking to you over this intercom when I'm out here. 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:09,920 I'm going to pump up that cuff now. 5 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:11,520 Okay. 6 00:00:13,775 --> 00:00:15,080 The test is about to begin. 7 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:18,540 Is your first name John? 8 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:19,920 Yes. 9 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,175 During the first 53 years of your life, did you 10 00:00:24,176 --> 00:00:26,481 ever do anything dishonest, illegal, or immoral? 11 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:28,320 Yes. 12 00:00:30,140 --> 00:00:30,660 Yes. 13 00:00:30,661 --> 00:00:34,760 Before 1981, did you ever engage in an improper business practice or put false 14 00:00:34,761 --> 00:00:37,060 information on an official form or document? 15 00:00:38,860 --> 00:00:39,860 Yes. 16 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,380 Before age 54, did you ever cheat someone or 17 00:00:43,381 --> 00:00:46,721 take advantage of anyone in a business deal? 18 00:00:52,210 --> 00:00:53,250 Yes, I would say. 19 00:00:55,150 --> 00:00:56,990 Okay, John, how was it that time? 20 00:00:57,450 --> 00:00:58,510 A little nervous? 21 00:00:58,511 --> 00:01:03,090 Well, when you get into those general questions, you start thinking back about 22 00:01:03,091 --> 00:01:11,091 bad used cars you sold people, about maybe the time you committed a little adultery. 23 00:01:13,290 --> 00:01:17,490 I must say that if you really get... It causes you to think back a lot. 24 00:01:17,491 --> 00:01:18,971 Well, you go through your whole life. 25 00:01:23,260 --> 00:01:27,420 John DeLorean is one of the maverick rogues of his day. 26 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,180 And there are very few of those guys around. 27 00:01:30,181 --> 00:01:36,340 He was a dreamer who wanted to push things beyond where other people had taken them. 28 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,260 And in a way, that's a marvelous and appealing characteristic. 29 00:01:39,500 --> 00:01:40,860 But it's also extremely dangerous. 30 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:48,260 John DeLorean was a winner, a loser, a champion, a relentless fool. 31 00:01:48,660 --> 00:01:55,880 This guy was the quintessential leading man that Hollywood producers dream of. 32 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:57,300 And he was real. 33 00:01:57,860 --> 00:02:00,160 I've always wondered why a feature film has to be a dream. 34 00:02:00,161 --> 00:02:01,561 It hasn't been made of John's life. 35 00:02:01,740 --> 00:02:03,100 I think it would be a great movie. 36 00:02:03,340 --> 00:02:04,880 Obviously, I'd had this dream. 37 00:02:04,980 --> 00:02:07,480 I wanted to build this automobile company. 38 00:02:07,780 --> 00:02:12,680 Everybody said it's inconceivable that any new automobile company could survive. 39 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:17,140 I'm always interested in the story of the quintessential outsider, full of ambition 40 00:02:17,141 --> 00:02:20,760 and hope, and works his way up, in a sense, to the position he was in. 41 00:02:20,980 --> 00:02:24,620 He had it all, his own auto empire, a beautiful wife, children. 42 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:26,000 He was a golden boy. 43 00:02:26,300 --> 00:02:30,140 And, of course, his colossal fall is almost Shakespearean. 44 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:34,680 John DeLorean, who gave up a shot at the presidency of General Motors to build his 45 00:02:34,681 --> 00:02:37,700 own futuristic sports car, is in jail this morning. 46 00:02:38,060 --> 00:02:40,989 The thing that's remarkable about DeLorean's story is 47 00:02:40,990 --> 00:02:43,860 that it has all of these incredibly powerful elements. 48 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,380 It's got a marvelous celebrity couple. 49 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:47,760 It's got drugs. 50 00:02:47,860 --> 00:02:49,120 It's got drug dealing. 51 00:02:49,565 --> 00:02:50,660 It's got FBI guys. 52 00:02:50,920 --> 00:02:53,120 It's got this incredible political backdrop. 53 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,175 It's the sort of story that, you know, if it 54 00:02:56,176 --> 00:02:59,261 hadn't happened, you wouldn't dare to make it up. 55 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,280 All of a sudden now, a number of people have 56 00:03:02,281 --> 00:03:05,361 been back at me wanting to do a movie of my life. 57 00:03:05,460 --> 00:03:08,611 It had always seemed to be a story that had been 58 00:03:08,612 --> 00:03:11,400 around Hollywood as early as probably the early 80s. 59 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:16,520 Often good ideas, you know, produce several films at the same time. 60 00:03:16,620 --> 00:03:18,820 With John DeLorean, I think it was taken to a new level. 61 00:03:19,340 --> 00:03:23,620 Every single one of these movies had different people from John's life, 62 00:03:23,700 --> 00:03:25,820 different family members, different underlying 63 00:03:25,821 --> 00:03:29,160 material, which made it this fascinating... 64 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,523 race to get the movie made because each one 65 00:03:32,524 --> 00:03:35,941 would have been a decidedly different story. 66 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,700 Still to this day, not one's been made yet. 67 00:03:38,900 --> 00:03:41,656 Every so often you hear, oh, somebody's going to make a movie about DeLorean. 68 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,156 Somebody's going to make a movie about DeLorean. 69 00:03:43,180 --> 00:03:46,860 Knock on wood, it'll happen because I think it could be great. 70 00:03:47,140 --> 00:03:51,500 He was this kind of chameleon-like figure who could appear one thing to one person 71 00:03:51,501 --> 00:03:53,600 and another thing totally to a different person. 72 00:03:53,780 --> 00:03:57,680 And I think, in a way, that's why so many scripts have been written about him 73 00:03:57,681 --> 00:03:59,860 because, you know, he is open to interpretation. 74 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:04,060 You get the impression that he is either a beleaguered man who was discredited and 75 00:04:04,061 --> 00:04:07,504 manipulated by big business in this country or he 76 00:04:07,505 --> 00:04:10,520 was the greatest con man to ever come down the pike. 77 00:04:15,090 --> 00:04:17,430 We have an opportunity this morning to visit with him. 78 00:04:17,450 --> 00:04:18,890 Would you welcome Mr. John DeLorean. 79 00:04:23,580 --> 00:04:26,220 You shoot him for your purposes over the arc of how many years? 80 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:29,000 He ages a piece. 81 00:04:29,370 --> 00:04:32,800 Mostly early 70s to early 80s. 82 00:04:33,260 --> 00:04:36,000 So there's a business spread and he ages during that time. 83 00:04:36,140 --> 00:04:36,240 Sure. 84 00:04:36,241 --> 00:04:36,520 Yeah, that's right. 85 00:04:36,540 --> 00:04:38,460 And I want to see how his behavior ages. 86 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,000 I need to see clips that are arranged. 87 00:04:40,220 --> 00:04:46,620 Driving you all this time was this desperate need to make this car thing go. 88 00:04:47,100 --> 00:04:52,360 My cries are so intense that nothing in the world would let 89 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,800 me let this business, this car with my name on it, go down. 90 00:04:56,060 --> 00:04:57,220 That's the corner of his eye. 91 00:04:57,300 --> 00:05:00,300 When you draw a straight line up, the brow overlaps the corner of the eye. 92 00:05:00,460 --> 00:05:02,116 Well, I think it's going to come in a little bit. 93 00:05:02,140 --> 00:05:02,600 It's going to come over? 94 00:05:02,700 --> 00:05:02,920 Yeah. 95 00:05:03,660 --> 00:05:05,360 Are they involved with cocaine? 96 00:05:05,361 --> 00:05:06,560 Talk about that. 97 00:05:06,685 --> 00:05:09,920 It's a peculiar thing because, you know, in my life, I have never, 98 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,027 ever seen cocaine, touched cocaine, used 99 00:05:12,039 --> 00:05:14,320 cocaine, or been in the presence of anybody. 100 00:05:14,555 --> 00:05:18,540 All the time I've looked at DeLorean before, I thought, where is he 101 00:05:18,541 --> 00:05:22,900 manipulating and where are the peaks behind the curtain of who he really is? 102 00:05:23,695 --> 00:05:27,520 And then when you play the person, you say to yourself, well, forget about me 103 00:05:27,521 --> 00:05:29,765 looking at DeLorean as a viewer on a TV show 104 00:05:29,766 --> 00:05:31,720 and saying, what's behind the curtain with him? 105 00:05:31,925 --> 00:05:34,405 When you start to play him, you go, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 106 00:05:34,570 --> 00:05:35,690 He's not guilty of anything. 107 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:37,200 He didn't do anything. 108 00:05:37,580 --> 00:05:38,340 In fact, it's the opposite. 109 00:05:38,460 --> 00:05:40,240 He's a hero in his mind. 110 00:05:40,300 --> 00:05:40,720 He's a hero. 111 00:05:41,300 --> 00:05:43,000 And you have to play that. 112 00:05:43,195 --> 00:05:45,080 You have to play who he thinks he is. 113 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,520 And you present him as who he thinks he is to the world. 114 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,620 And you let the audience make up their mind. 115 00:05:52,740 --> 00:05:54,705 And you suddenly thought you were involved with 116 00:05:54,706 --> 00:05:56,120 the mob and you were fighting for your life. 117 00:05:56,620 --> 00:05:57,886 Well, I just, it really went half. 118 00:05:57,910 --> 00:05:59,280 Let me just show my wife. 119 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:00,100 She just thinks it's funny. 120 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:01,240 She just thinks it's funny. 121 00:06:01,300 --> 00:06:02,160 She thinks it's a fun thing. 122 00:06:02,220 --> 00:06:04,136 She said, hey, look, I can't believe this is what they think. 123 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:05,160 They pay you to do this. 124 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:07,120 Oh, God. 125 00:06:08,260 --> 00:06:09,220 What are you doing? 126 00:06:09,280 --> 00:06:09,940 You're doing a movie. 127 00:06:09,941 --> 00:06:16,980 We do reenactment footage of DeLorean's drama, his caper, his escapades, 128 00:06:17,020 --> 00:06:20,820 and shoot them as a movie and cut reenactment footage into documentary 129 00:06:20,821 --> 00:06:25,320 footage of a movie about DeLorean and what he did and what he went through. 130 00:06:26,060 --> 00:06:28,660 And the good news is I don't have to bother with any of that. 131 00:06:29,340 --> 00:06:29,940 They do. 132 00:06:30,340 --> 00:06:34,420 I'm going to just go put the makeup on and go try to be DeLorean. 133 00:06:39,500 --> 00:06:44,259 For John DeLorean, growing up in Detroit, every 134 00:06:44,260 --> 00:06:47,860 kid's dream was to go into the auto industry. 135 00:06:48,280 --> 00:06:51,900 One thing you have to understand about John DeLorean is he was a brilliant engineer. 136 00:06:52,380 --> 00:06:56,580 And so to start with, he had some really good instincts and he had great talent. 137 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:01,480 DeLorean thrived in the car business first at Packard for a short while at Chrysler. 138 00:07:01,500 --> 00:07:04,626 And somebody sought him out at General Motors 139 00:07:04,627 --> 00:07:08,161 and offered him his choice of five divisions. 140 00:07:08,185 --> 00:07:11,160 He took on Pontiac, which was the old ladies division at the time. 141 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,320 And it was really the place where he could shine the most. 142 00:07:14,540 --> 00:07:16,960 General Manager, Mr. John C. 143 00:07:17,100 --> 00:07:18,100 DeLorean. 144 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:27,660 In those days, the late 50s and early 60s at GM, Pontiac particularly was exciting 145 00:07:27,661 --> 00:07:30,820 to be there because they were almost ready to be dropped. 146 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,236 And of course, that was the kind of thing that gave you the 147 00:07:34,237 --> 00:07:36,760 incentive to come up with new ideas and make them happen. 148 00:07:36,900 --> 00:07:42,160 I started as a very unsophisticated young engineer and I was given an opportunity to 149 00:07:42,161 --> 00:07:44,650 attain a success in the business world far beyond 150 00:07:44,651 --> 00:07:47,621 anything I had ever imagined I was capable of. 151 00:07:47,770 --> 00:07:51,693 You know, this was a special guy who was going to change the 152 00:07:51,694 --> 00:07:54,440 industry forever and truly become a legend at the company. 153 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,840 Scene two alpha, take three. 154 00:07:58,600 --> 00:07:59,100 Parker. 155 00:07:59,300 --> 00:08:05,300 The story in the GTO is that we were about ready to do a brand new line and we had 156 00:08:05,301 --> 00:08:11,620 the 64 Tempest to be in the garage there with John and a couple of the guys. 157 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:12,960 Hey, Bill. 158 00:08:13,850 --> 00:08:15,020 John, you heading home? 159 00:08:15,380 --> 00:08:16,380 Yeah, I was about to. 160 00:08:16,725 --> 00:08:18,845 I wanted to stop by and see how you were coming along. 161 00:08:19,490 --> 00:08:21,920 Well, I think she's about as good as we're going to get her. 162 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:26,580 He would encourage everybody to do something new and different. 163 00:08:26,780 --> 00:08:29,520 I was hoping maybe we'd have something, I don't know, sexier. 164 00:08:32,380 --> 00:08:33,080 You mean sportier? 165 00:08:33,260 --> 00:08:35,240 Yeah, more high performance, you know. 166 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,836 Well, our bigger 389 engine has the exact same dimensions 167 00:08:40,916 --> 00:08:43,316 as the 326 in here, so we could swap that out, no problem. 168 00:08:43,340 --> 00:08:45,380 Well, how would the car handle the extra power? 169 00:08:45,540 --> 00:08:46,540 Well, that's the thing. 170 00:08:47,730 --> 00:08:50,050 You have to fit the appropriate transmission and rear axle. 171 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,640 But we do that, it would definitely be sexier, John. 172 00:08:55,590 --> 00:08:57,190 Shoot, we could even run this in NASCAR. 173 00:08:57,500 --> 00:08:58,500 I say we do it. 174 00:08:59,620 --> 00:08:59,980 Really? 175 00:09:00,180 --> 00:09:01,180 Absolutely. 176 00:09:02,460 --> 00:09:03,160 But then what? 177 00:09:03,380 --> 00:09:04,780 You think you can actually sell it? 178 00:09:05,700 --> 00:09:07,260 You let me worry about that, Bill. 179 00:09:13,470 --> 00:09:15,448 I was just going to drive it back and forth 180 00:09:15,449 --> 00:09:17,630 to work, and I had a marvelous time with it. 181 00:09:17,990 --> 00:09:20,763 And I found that every time I lent it to somebody 182 00:09:20,803 --> 00:09:22,810 to use for a day or two, I couldn't get it back. 183 00:09:22,970 --> 00:09:25,850 And I said, well, there may be a market for something like that. 184 00:09:28,450 --> 00:09:29,510 What the hell is this? 185 00:09:31,070 --> 00:09:32,070 That's a GTO. 186 00:09:32,330 --> 00:09:37,630 It stands for Gran Turismo Amalgamato, which I think is Italian for fastest hell. 187 00:09:37,770 --> 00:09:43,170 But it'll beat every car on a track or American street, and it's still a Pontiac. 188 00:09:44,150 --> 00:09:45,010 Hold on a second. 189 00:09:45,070 --> 00:09:46,070 Turn that off. 190 00:09:48,300 --> 00:09:50,792 The 14th floor is never going to go for putting 191 00:09:50,793 --> 00:09:53,511 such a large engine in such a small frame. 192 00:09:53,940 --> 00:09:57,902 Well, GM forbade putting a so-called big block beyond, 193 00:09:57,903 --> 00:10:02,150 I believe, 350 cubic inches in a medium-sized car. 194 00:10:02,770 --> 00:10:03,850 The guys upstairs approve this? 195 00:10:03,851 --> 00:10:05,270 I don't need their approval. 196 00:10:06,390 --> 00:10:07,430 It's a new product, John. 197 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,250 All new products need upper management approval. 198 00:10:10,780 --> 00:10:11,780 And John was interesting. 199 00:10:12,270 --> 00:10:16,450 He loved really just figuring out ways to bend the rules as much as possible. 200 00:10:16,610 --> 00:10:17,690 But it's not a new product. 201 00:10:17,730 --> 00:10:19,888 It's an options package on the new Tempest, 202 00:10:19,889 --> 00:10:22,550 and one that puts a real tiger under the hood. 203 00:10:23,340 --> 00:10:24,340 It's manipulative. 204 00:10:24,550 --> 00:10:25,550 It's marketing. 205 00:10:26,675 --> 00:10:29,750 Pontiac is primarily the division for older buyers. 206 00:10:29,950 --> 00:10:31,630 What are they going to want with a hot rod? 207 00:10:32,090 --> 00:10:35,170 We're the division for older buyers because that's how we view ourselves. 208 00:10:35,430 --> 00:10:37,885 We've got to anticipate what younger buyers 209 00:10:37,886 --> 00:10:39,850 want before they even know what they want. 210 00:10:39,910 --> 00:10:41,550 And once they realize it, give them this. 211 00:10:43,660 --> 00:10:45,060 So how many do you want to produce? 212 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:46,110 You're the sales manager. 213 00:10:46,210 --> 00:10:46,770 You tell me. 214 00:10:46,790 --> 00:10:48,170 I was thinking about 30,000. 215 00:10:49,650 --> 00:10:51,030 You're out of your damn mind. 216 00:10:51,110 --> 00:10:52,470 John, be reasonable. 217 00:10:55,570 --> 00:10:59,210 I can't imagine us selling even close to 5,000. 218 00:10:59,211 --> 00:11:00,211 But... 219 00:11:01,710 --> 00:11:05,210 Let's start with that number, and let's hope that they don't rust on the lot. 220 00:11:08,010 --> 00:11:11,350 At that time, the sales manager of Pontiac thought it was stupid. 221 00:11:11,510 --> 00:11:16,350 And he refused to schedule more than, I think, about 4,000 or 5,000 for the year. 222 00:11:16,590 --> 00:11:17,890 It was an outlaw move. 223 00:11:18,795 --> 00:11:23,710 DeLorean snuck it past the GM watchdogs by a sort of sleight of hand. 224 00:11:23,910 --> 00:11:25,370 It was just an options package. 225 00:11:25,810 --> 00:11:31,251 Despite his feeling it wouldn't sell, I think we sold like 45,000 the first year. 226 00:11:31,390 --> 00:11:37,050 What he figured out before anyone figured it out was that this exploding youth 227 00:11:37,051 --> 00:11:41,499 movement had interest in cars as something that would 228 00:11:41,500 --> 00:11:44,651 represent the way they wanted to look to the world. 229 00:11:45,950 --> 00:11:50,310 It's the perfect moment in which John was able to marry both his brilliant 230 00:11:50,311 --> 00:11:54,550 engineering as well as his marketing prowess to create the muscle car. 231 00:11:54,850 --> 00:11:57,570 The muscle car era really advanced Detroit. 232 00:11:57,910 --> 00:11:59,150 It made money. 233 00:11:59,230 --> 00:12:00,210 It made Pontiac. 234 00:12:00,211 --> 00:12:03,590 It made those three letters, GTO, legendary. 235 00:12:04,980 --> 00:12:09,050 There's an odd parallel between the Pontiac GTO and John Z. 236 00:12:09,090 --> 00:12:09,450 DeLorean. 237 00:12:09,805 --> 00:12:11,750 The GTO was a risk taken. 238 00:12:12,110 --> 00:12:18,110 And I think it convinced DeLorean that taking a risk no one else was willing to 239 00:12:18,111 --> 00:12:22,450 step up to and making it work at all costs was how you did it. 240 00:12:22,850 --> 00:12:25,750 And after you do it once, why stop? 241 00:12:33,940 --> 00:12:35,620 What I see about DeLorean... 242 00:12:35,900 --> 00:12:37,820 For me, he took such risks. 243 00:12:38,555 --> 00:12:41,620 And the problem with people who take risks like that is that when they win, 244 00:12:42,535 --> 00:12:44,178 when they make their calculated risk, they 245 00:12:44,179 --> 00:12:46,020 become emboldened and they take more risks. 246 00:12:46,100 --> 00:12:48,920 And then they take risks outside of their normal sphere. 247 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:54,040 Between this and the other, it will generate about four and a half... 248 00:12:57,370 --> 00:13:00,232 Risk taking in the automotive industry and risk taking with 249 00:13:00,233 --> 00:13:02,656 a bunch of drug dealers in a hotel are two different things. 250 00:13:02,680 --> 00:13:05,320 But your confidence in yourself is very, very high. 251 00:13:06,220 --> 00:13:06,920 You don't make mistakes. 252 00:13:06,921 --> 00:13:08,120 You don't see them coming. 253 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:09,320 Better than gold. 254 00:13:09,605 --> 00:13:10,845 Just say it's better than gold. 255 00:13:12,540 --> 00:13:14,020 This stuff weighs more. 256 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:15,780 Gold weighs more than this. 257 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,060 Gold weighs more than this, for God's sake. 258 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:19,240 Better than gold. 259 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:20,160 Better than gold. 260 00:13:20,180 --> 00:13:21,900 Gold weighs more than this, for God's sake. 261 00:13:23,980 --> 00:13:24,560 Hi, John. 262 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:25,920 Hi, John. 263 00:13:26,700 --> 00:13:27,460 Great question. 264 00:13:27,580 --> 00:13:28,100 Do you have the FBI? 265 00:13:28,300 --> 00:13:33,100 But in the end, when he's arrested and he tilts his head back and you have a shot, 266 00:13:33,180 --> 00:13:35,860 hopefully, looking down from the ceiling... 267 00:13:36,970 --> 00:13:40,300 And his head should crane up and look right up into a thing and look off camera. 268 00:13:40,900 --> 00:13:42,386 And he's thinking, what are you thinking? 269 00:13:42,410 --> 00:13:43,850 We should cut to what he's thinking. 270 00:13:44,060 --> 00:13:45,256 He's worried about his family. 271 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:46,760 He's worried about losing everything. 272 00:13:47,490 --> 00:13:49,340 And there were like four or five things. 273 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,860 If he just made a little adjustment here and made this decision differently there, 274 00:13:53,340 --> 00:13:55,600 all of it would have turned out completely differently. 275 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:05,220 DeLorean was clearly a fast mover at GM in the early 70s. 276 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,280 Whoever makes the most money at GM is the most important person. 277 00:14:08,281 --> 00:14:10,700 And everything he touched turned to gold. 278 00:14:11,745 --> 00:14:14,294 So by the time John reaches the 14th floor, better 279 00:14:14,295 --> 00:14:17,980 known as the executive level, he's in his mid-40s. 280 00:14:18,170 --> 00:14:22,440 If he just plays his cards right, he's poised to be the next president of 281 00:14:22,441 --> 00:14:25,020 General Motors, the largest corporation in the world. 282 00:14:25,470 --> 00:14:29,840 GM was very intentional on making executives colorless. 283 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,880 And DeLorean was a highly technicolor person. 284 00:14:34,260 --> 00:14:35,840 He wore open collars. 285 00:14:35,841 --> 00:14:37,020 He wore sideburns. 286 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:38,260 He spent his weekend in the garage. 287 00:14:38,261 --> 00:14:38,860 He went to a lot of events in California. 288 00:14:39,260 --> 00:14:41,380 And you know what an evil influence that is. 289 00:14:41,540 --> 00:14:46,400 He gets significant plastic surgery on his face to give himself a stronger jaw. 290 00:14:46,700 --> 00:14:49,520 He starts weightlifting and losing weight. 291 00:14:49,700 --> 00:14:51,180 He and his first wife separated. 292 00:14:51,460 --> 00:14:55,860 And then he started dating actresses and models of women that were a lot younger 293 00:14:55,861 --> 00:14:58,791 than him and who a lot of GM executives and 294 00:14:58,792 --> 00:15:00,920 then their wives thought were age inappropriate. 295 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,074 I have a reasonably strong sex drive, which I 296 00:15:04,075 --> 00:15:07,200 happen to think is an important part of any guy. 297 00:15:12,060 --> 00:15:14,739 He married his second wife, Kelly Harmon, 298 00:15:14,740 --> 00:15:17,520 blonde bombshell, and she was 19 at the time. 299 00:15:17,660 --> 00:15:22,580 The General Mueller's PR department added a couple of years to her age when the 300 00:15:22,581 --> 00:15:24,820 press releases first went out about the marriage. 301 00:15:25,140 --> 00:15:27,790 She lives there in Detroit for two or three years, 302 00:15:27,791 --> 00:15:30,221 becomes disillusioned with the marriage, and leaves him. 303 00:15:30,380 --> 00:15:33,749 And within a year and a half, he's married to Christina 304 00:15:33,789 --> 00:15:36,480 Farrar, the, at that point, world's top supermodel. 305 00:15:36,481 --> 00:15:39,560 Then he ended up, of course, in the fashion magazines and that kind of thing. 306 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,094 And while that enhanced his image outside of the 307 00:15:43,095 --> 00:15:46,080 company, it created problems for him with him. 308 00:15:46,260 --> 00:15:47,440 GM can't stand this. 309 00:15:47,500 --> 00:15:48,260 It's pissing them off. 310 00:15:48,470 --> 00:15:51,310 And he goes back to them and says, hey, what are you guys worried about? 311 00:15:51,410 --> 00:15:52,500 Look at the sales numbers. 312 00:15:53,180 --> 00:15:56,240 Tom, how do you feel about our retail sales job this past year? 313 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:57,520 How do I feel? 314 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,160 John, I feel great. 315 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,860 Both at Pontiac and at Chevrolet, he was making so 316 00:16:03,861 --> 00:16:06,320 much money for the company and all the executives. 317 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,480 All the executives that he reported to, who were upset with his lifestyle, 318 00:16:09,740 --> 00:16:13,640 upset with him, couldn't quite figure out how he was doing so well, but they could 319 00:16:13,641 --> 00:16:16,281 see the numbers and they knew that showed up in their bonus checks. 320 00:16:16,430 --> 00:16:19,220 And that was the interesting dilemma for GM with John DeLorean. 321 00:16:26,420 --> 00:16:30,900 This is Boston Harbor, and those are Volkswagens. 322 00:16:32,620 --> 00:16:33,620 They're coming in. 323 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:38,120 One of the tragic flaws of GM, and again, this is something he knew, 324 00:16:38,485 --> 00:16:41,100 is that the company was all too willing to 325 00:16:41,101 --> 00:16:41,100 do what it was doing a year and a half ago. 326 00:16:41,101 --> 00:16:42,926 And they were doing it year after year after year because it was working, 327 00:16:42,950 --> 00:16:45,271 even though they were ignoring, for instance, the small 328 00:16:45,272 --> 00:16:47,401 car market and let it go a lot of time to foreigners. 329 00:16:47,835 --> 00:16:49,679 He saw what was coming from a lot of these imports, 330 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,640 these smaller, more fuel-efficient, better quality cars. 331 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,360 And he knew the writing was on the wall. 332 00:16:55,620 --> 00:17:01,200 Obviously, I saw the trends very clearly, and I wanted to react to them a little bit 333 00:17:01,201 --> 00:17:04,480 perhaps more aggressively than other members of the industry management. 334 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:05,880 He had big aspirations. 335 00:17:06,220 --> 00:17:07,220 He wanted to stay at GM. 336 00:17:07,300 --> 00:17:08,340 He wanted to be president. 337 00:17:08,545 --> 00:17:11,600 He wanted to do things, take the company in directions that they weren't willing to 338 00:17:11,601 --> 00:17:15,172 do because they were so comfortable being the fat cat at 339 00:17:15,173 --> 00:17:17,801 the time, being the number one car company in the world. 340 00:17:18,225 --> 00:17:20,140 And that leads to his demise. 341 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:24,560 There were executives who resented him. 342 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,380 Probably the most prominent is a guy named Roger Kyes. 343 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,860 It was just a total difference of opinion. 344 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,374 I think he considered me capricious and 345 00:17:33,375 --> 00:17:36,900 superficial, and I considered him a pompous ass. 346 00:17:37,660 --> 00:17:40,500 Those enemies in the company slowed down. 347 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,720 I slowly developed kind of a cabal, as you will, against DeLorean. 348 00:17:44,620 --> 00:17:48,805 In 1972, they tasked John with putting together a speech 349 00:17:48,806 --> 00:17:51,980 to talk about GM's quality, the infamous Greenbrier speech. 350 00:17:52,580 --> 00:17:54,980 They pre-read all the speeches weeks in advance. 351 00:17:55,360 --> 00:17:58,740 They noticed that the speech not only criticizes the quality of the cars, 352 00:17:58,820 --> 00:18:00,907 but it criticizes a lot of the executives that 353 00:18:00,908 --> 00:18:02,980 are currently there, some of his own bosses. 354 00:18:03,260 --> 00:18:06,560 And they censored a lot of the stuff that he could say in the speech. 355 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,300 But, you know, he wasn't going to let it just rest at that. 356 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:11,520 Nothing. 357 00:18:12,270 --> 00:18:13,430 There's something you forgot. 358 00:18:13,540 --> 00:18:16,560 Well, that's the one I'm actually giving at Greenbrier on Saturday. 359 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,540 This is the speech I should be giving. 360 00:18:20,215 --> 00:18:24,020 What I should be saying is in here somewhere, buried like Kyes wants. 361 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:26,040 You think it's personal, then? 362 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:27,080 Oh, sure, it's personal. 363 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,060 I wonder how much longer I can do this dance. 364 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:34,760 I mean, at this rate, it'll be ten years of me pushing papers that I didn't write 365 00:18:34,761 --> 00:18:38,880 before I'm named president, and that's... that's not going to work at all. 366 00:18:40,620 --> 00:18:42,520 Any thoughts on how you might accelerate that? 367 00:18:45,900 --> 00:18:47,860 As a matter of fact, I've got a few ideas, yeah. 368 00:18:49,340 --> 00:18:54,260 If this original speech were to be leaked, there would be some blowback, sure. 369 00:18:54,745 --> 00:18:56,000 But I'd be vindicated. 370 00:18:57,120 --> 00:19:00,980 And in this particular situation, what he wants is for the public and the 371 00:19:00,981 --> 00:19:03,243 press to sort of shame GM and push them in the 372 00:19:03,244 --> 00:19:06,361 direction that he wanted the company to go in. 373 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:07,840 Good to see you, Roy. 374 00:19:08,300 --> 00:19:09,120 And you, John. 375 00:19:09,121 --> 00:19:12,960 And he felt that by calling these people out, that this was going to somehow prop 376 00:19:12,961 --> 00:19:15,880 him up and propel him even faster into the presidency. 377 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:22,440 His initial speech leaked to the press, and it was all over the news that John 378 00:19:22,441 --> 00:19:25,020 DeLorean is highly critical of General Motors' quality. 379 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:31,120 DeLorean claimed his enemies had leaked these speeches out. 380 00:19:31,380 --> 00:19:36,560 It became apparent that people close to DeLorean had leaked these speeches out. 381 00:19:36,890 --> 00:19:39,656 You've got to remember, this is a person who, was 382 00:19:39,657 --> 00:19:43,440 only rewarded for taking big risks, dangerous moves. 383 00:19:44,890 --> 00:19:45,980 It didn't work. 384 00:19:46,550 --> 00:19:51,840 No doubt, DeLorean was booted by members of the board and the corporate directors, 385 00:19:52,060 --> 00:19:55,660 and that forced him out very abruptly in 1973. 386 00:20:03,365 --> 00:20:06,417 DeLorean is ejected from the company in what 387 00:20:06,418 --> 00:20:10,301 should have been a very embarrassing event. 388 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:15,420 However, he finds a way, at making it all heroic. 389 00:20:16,350 --> 00:20:19,218 Being part, or being one-seventh, or one-tenth of 390 00:20:19,219 --> 00:20:21,640 some committee is a very unappealing thing to me. 391 00:20:21,780 --> 00:20:25,240 Obviously, it was very rewarding financially, and it would have been easy 392 00:20:25,241 --> 00:20:28,860 to sit there for another 17 years collecting a half a million or 393 00:20:29,185 --> 00:20:30,837 three-quarters of a million dollars a year, 394 00:20:30,838 --> 00:20:32,580 but that really didn't appeal to me very much. 395 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,920 A full career would have been another 15 years. 396 00:20:37,180 --> 00:20:38,300 Well, what's he going to do? 397 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,500 He's going to count beans with the other executives. 398 00:20:42,030 --> 00:20:47,100 Compared to creating new, cool products like GTOs, it's completely different. 399 00:20:48,180 --> 00:20:51,500 There's no way DeLorean would have lasted to age 65. 400 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:52,000 Wow. 401 00:20:52,540 --> 00:20:57,540 I can't imagine us selling even close to 5,000, but let's start with that number. 402 00:20:58,120 --> 00:21:00,540 I've got another car, a stainless steel car. 403 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,040 You're going to be crazy about it. 404 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:02,880 Yeah, okay. 405 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:04,120 Good luck with that, John. 406 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:07,956 That's what the line should be. 407 00:21:07,980 --> 00:21:09,774 The bad version would be, next thing you're going to 408 00:21:09,798 --> 00:21:11,940 be telling us, you want to build a stainless steel car. 409 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,180 In the back of his mind, this concept car was 410 00:21:19,181 --> 00:21:22,440 always stirring, what he called an ethical car. 411 00:21:22,745 --> 00:21:25,060 Well, we're doing a sports racing car here. 412 00:21:25,140 --> 00:21:27,260 It's going to be designed to have an eternal life. 413 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,053 And so we're using a non-corrosive material so 414 00:21:30,054 --> 00:21:32,340 that it'll just stay together forever and ever. 415 00:21:32,460 --> 00:21:35,100 And it's going to be very beautiful aesthetically. 416 00:21:35,390 --> 00:21:38,048 He wanted to build a sophisticated, 417 00:21:38,060 --> 00:21:41,620 contemporary-looking sports car for the masses. 418 00:21:41,820 --> 00:21:42,760 That wasn't the norm. 419 00:21:42,761 --> 00:21:45,980 You know, if you're going to get something that's that exotic and interesting, 420 00:21:46,260 --> 00:21:48,905 you're going to have to get a Ferrari or a Lamborghini 421 00:21:48,906 --> 00:21:51,201 where they only make a few hundred cars a year. 422 00:21:51,780 --> 00:21:54,860 John was trying to make a mass-produced car. 423 00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:57,540 He set out to compete with the big boys. 424 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:02,460 It's difficult, if not impossible, to start up a car company. 425 00:22:02,940 --> 00:22:07,140 Really, the last one you could name was Chrysler in the 1920s. 426 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:08,940 And even Chrysler went through bankruptcy. 427 00:22:09,450 --> 00:22:13,760 There aren't many people who do that, who want to risk it all. 428 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,851 When he left Yemen, more or less, was forced to leave, 429 00:22:17,852 --> 00:22:20,740 that became the driving force in his motivation. 430 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:21,960 I'm going to show them. 431 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,400 And so it was part dream and part revenge. 432 00:22:33,530 --> 00:22:35,170 There it is, what we always talked about. 433 00:22:36,660 --> 00:22:39,359 What do you think about being named the head of the entire 434 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:43,790 product program for the first mass-produced car since Chrysler? 435 00:22:46,010 --> 00:22:47,610 John, look, obviously, I'm going to win. 436 00:22:47,630 --> 00:22:49,330 I'm flattered, but... No buts, Bill. 437 00:22:49,450 --> 00:22:50,530 And I'm not flattering you. 438 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,350 This is what you and I were built for. 439 00:22:52,430 --> 00:22:53,950 This is real innovation. 440 00:22:56,050 --> 00:22:57,410 Does innovation include a pension? 441 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:58,800 Well, who's asking? 442 00:22:58,930 --> 00:22:59,430 My wife. 443 00:22:59,820 --> 00:23:03,270 Well, you tell Nina that the greater the risk, the greater the reward. 444 00:23:03,450 --> 00:23:05,770 And besides, this finally puts you in the driver's seat. 445 00:23:06,010 --> 00:23:07,010 Lemonade, boys? 446 00:23:07,830 --> 00:23:08,230 Bill? 447 00:23:08,450 --> 00:23:08,770 Thank you. 448 00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:09,050 Honey? 449 00:23:09,950 --> 00:23:10,950 Thank you. 450 00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:15,026 And you've got the money for this? 451 00:23:15,050 --> 00:23:16,050 Oh, yeah. 452 00:23:16,430 --> 00:23:19,390 We've got several sources of initial investment. 453 00:23:24,150 --> 00:23:26,570 You two are quite persuasive. 454 00:23:27,925 --> 00:23:28,990 Lemonade was my idea. 455 00:23:30,130 --> 00:23:31,130 It's delicious. 456 00:23:31,850 --> 00:23:32,850 You talk to your wife. 457 00:23:33,570 --> 00:23:35,507 I probably thought about it, and my wife 458 00:23:35,508 --> 00:23:37,630 would say we should probably not have done it. 459 00:23:37,860 --> 00:23:42,770 Having been a GM where money was never a problem, you know, you were sort of 460 00:23:42,771 --> 00:23:44,971 gambling, and you hoped the thing was going to work out. 461 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,230 The company really has its founding in two people. 462 00:23:49,310 --> 00:23:50,830 That's John DeLorean and Bill Collins. 463 00:23:51,330 --> 00:23:53,490 Collins never reached for glory. 464 00:23:53,845 --> 00:23:57,130 He didn't have so much ego that he needed his name on the product. 465 00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:59,190 He was always behind the scenes. 466 00:23:59,510 --> 00:24:03,350 He was the guy who made DeLorean look good many times. 467 00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:06,730 Bill is a super wonderful gentleman. 468 00:24:07,030 --> 00:24:08,810 He is one of the world's finest men. 469 00:24:09,295 --> 00:24:10,295 He really is. 470 00:24:10,350 --> 00:24:11,390 He is a good man. 471 00:24:11,610 --> 00:24:13,850 And it was like his dream. 472 00:24:13,851 --> 00:24:15,430 His dream was to do this. 473 00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:20,310 I think from the beginning, John's major concern always was fundraising. 474 00:24:20,765 --> 00:24:24,090 So my objective was to start out building the first prototype. 475 00:24:24,850 --> 00:24:26,510 This was definitely Bill's baby. 476 00:24:27,030 --> 00:24:29,711 I mean, if there was an issue that had anything to do 477 00:24:29,712 --> 00:24:32,550 with the car, Bill Collins was the guy leading the charge. 478 00:24:33,530 --> 00:24:37,990 That played out basically for the first three years of the project. 479 00:24:38,975 --> 00:24:43,610 When we finished the first prototype, it was a huge event, because now we could 480 00:24:43,611 --> 00:24:47,570 say, you know, this isn't some dream kind of figure here. 481 00:24:47,710 --> 00:24:49,030 This is the real McCoy. 482 00:24:49,305 --> 00:24:52,370 We hadn't solved all the engineering problems yet, but it was exciting. 483 00:24:52,550 --> 00:24:55,170 It turned out to be a great car, in my opinion. 484 00:24:55,490 --> 00:24:59,087 To be part of this thing that might grow into something 485 00:24:59,088 --> 00:25:03,830 that who knows where it would go, it was electrifying. 486 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,170 This is a presentation of the DeLorean Motor Company. 487 00:25:13,770 --> 00:25:16,470 Imagine how many of the men who have headed each of the major automotive 488 00:25:16,471 --> 00:25:18,521 manufacturers have wanted to create a 489 00:25:18,533 --> 00:25:21,030 product starting with a clean sheet of paper. 490 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,750 That is what the DeLorean Motor Company intends to do. 491 00:25:25,710 --> 00:25:28,610 We were basically a company with no foundation. 492 00:25:29,910 --> 00:25:33,560 And the less you have to secure an investment, 493 00:25:33,572 --> 00:25:36,611 the more risky you are to an investor. 494 00:25:36,740 --> 00:25:38,130 And we were pretty risky. 495 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,985 Our asset was John's background experience, and so 496 00:25:42,986 --> 00:25:46,410 he really had to be what we initially were selling. 497 00:25:48,540 --> 00:25:51,428 You have to portray him as being on the top of the mountain, 498 00:25:51,429 --> 00:25:55,210 being adored by the world as a savior of the auto industry. 499 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,770 And we were the dog and pony show experts. 500 00:26:00,010 --> 00:26:04,030 We'd do the setup, we'd do the show, and then at the precise moment, 501 00:26:04,530 --> 00:26:05,710 John DeLorean would come in. 502 00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:09,450 They'd actually see the man, and it looked like he was levitating. 503 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,440 Most of you have already seen my lovely wife, Christina. 504 00:26:25,930 --> 00:26:28,990 I know she's likely the real reason you're all here tonight. 505 00:26:29,890 --> 00:26:35,050 But in all seriousness, I do have her to thank, along with many others. 506 00:26:35,615 --> 00:26:40,610 In particular, I'd like to recognize the man I handpicked, essentially stole from 507 00:26:40,611 --> 00:26:45,410 GM, to head up the entire DeLorean Motor Company product program. 508 00:26:46,015 --> 00:26:49,830 Perhaps the finest automotive engineer I've ever met in my entire life. 509 00:26:49,831 --> 00:26:51,250 Bill Collins. 510 00:26:55,950 --> 00:27:00,590 I know that we may be the new boy on the block, but I also know that on this, 511 00:27:00,610 --> 00:27:04,424 the bicentennial of the American Revolution, we can 512 00:27:04,425 --> 00:27:09,450 start making our version of the American Dream a reality. 513 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:15,750 Allow me to introduce the first incarnation in the evolution of my dream, 514 00:27:16,830 --> 00:27:22,330 our first vehicle codenamed the DMC-12, the DeLorean Motor Car. 515 00:27:30,060 --> 00:27:34,120 In the early stages, this was all but the second coming. 516 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,820 It was described in Detroit as significant as the invention of the Ford Model A. 517 00:27:39,420 --> 00:27:41,060 That this was going to change everything. 518 00:28:00,540 --> 00:28:03,780 I don't think I've sat in one of these, probably since my dad had one on the farm. 519 00:28:04,650 --> 00:28:09,780 There's not much of a tie for me to the car, as much as people would think. 520 00:28:11,970 --> 00:28:13,290 I don't know if that makes sense. 521 00:28:13,765 --> 00:28:16,277 Being young when this car was built, you just don't 522 00:28:16,278 --> 00:28:18,740 understand the magnitude and the gravity of it. 523 00:28:19,220 --> 00:28:21,119 You know, it's flying over your head at a thousand miles 524 00:28:21,139 --> 00:28:23,960 an hour, and you know, it's like my dad built this car. 525 00:28:24,180 --> 00:28:25,600 You know, it's got our name on it. 526 00:28:26,420 --> 00:28:29,860 I mean, when I'm in it, or I see it, I see my father, I feel my dad. 527 00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:36,500 But between me and this car, I think it's a love-hate relationship probably. 528 00:28:37,170 --> 00:28:39,070 Half the time I don't even know what to 529 00:28:39,082 --> 00:28:41,281 think of it, you know, to be honest with you. 530 00:28:46,805 --> 00:28:49,000 Probably the closest person I've ever been 531 00:28:49,001 --> 00:28:52,381 close to my whole fucking life was my father. 532 00:28:52,610 --> 00:28:56,380 He adopted me when I was, I mean, two weeks old. 533 00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:01,108 As far as like, DeLorean or DeLorean Motor Company, you 534 00:29:01,109 --> 00:29:04,020 know, it was just dad going to work, dad's building a car. 535 00:29:04,910 --> 00:29:08,780 Had no clue how famous he was, had no clue how famous my mother was. 536 00:29:09,850 --> 00:29:11,750 I think we moved to New York probably, I would 537 00:29:11,751 --> 00:29:14,500 say in 74, because then my sister was born in 77. 538 00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:19,660 Throughout my life, I understood that there was this man, John DeLorean, 539 00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:26,560 and with this man, John DeLorean, came this history of all the things that 540 00:29:26,561 --> 00:29:30,400 are, again, iconically encompassed by the car. 541 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:35,440 And then there was my dad. 542 00:29:36,155 --> 00:29:40,120 And I understood that they were two different people. 543 00:29:41,730 --> 00:29:45,260 When I was little, my dad was at the peak of everything. 544 00:29:46,750 --> 00:29:50,500 There are pictures of us, and I used to say it's the royal family. 545 00:29:51,500 --> 00:29:53,809 My mom was always so perfect and put together, 546 00:29:53,810 --> 00:29:56,221 and my brother always in his perfect little suit. 547 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:57,800 Oh, we were so cute. 548 00:29:58,670 --> 00:30:00,180 Seriously, we were just so cute. 549 00:30:01,150 --> 00:30:02,340 My dad was my best friend. 550 00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:05,580 He just, he taught me everything. 551 00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:06,900 He taught me how to fish. 552 00:30:07,020 --> 00:30:08,060 He taught me how to drive. 553 00:30:08,220 --> 00:30:09,740 He taught me how to ride a motorcycle. 554 00:30:11,340 --> 00:30:13,020 This is everything he had been working for. 555 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:14,480 This was his dream. 556 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,040 I mean, being married to my mom, having a family, having an apartment on 557 00:30:18,140 --> 00:30:23,600 Fifth Avenue, buying a farm out in New Jersey, having the car company. 558 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,180 That was probably the best time of his life. 559 00:30:34,030 --> 00:30:34,800 Can you see this well? 560 00:30:34,900 --> 00:30:36,166 Is this lit well enough for you? 561 00:30:36,190 --> 00:30:40,080 Because, I mean, I'm a firm believer that that can't be faked. 562 00:30:40,655 --> 00:30:43,660 And now, how happy she is, I don't know. 563 00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:46,016 And she seems pretty happy, but she's a kid. 564 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,240 They're always fairly happy, as a rule. 565 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,880 But look at how happy he is, himself, the subject of the film. 566 00:30:54,180 --> 00:30:54,960 I don't think that can be faked. 567 00:30:54,961 --> 00:30:55,961 I think he's very happy. 568 00:30:56,660 --> 00:30:59,610 And I have a picture of my family, and I'm a couple 569 00:30:59,611 --> 00:31:02,140 years older than my wife than he is from his wife. 570 00:31:02,340 --> 00:31:03,340 So I get this. 571 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:04,800 I get this. 572 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,360 And the problem is that he wanted both. 573 00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:11,276 And when you want both, you can have both. 574 00:31:11,300 --> 00:31:12,660 But that's very tough to do. 575 00:31:14,030 --> 00:31:15,220 Christina, you have been married for a long time. 576 00:31:15,221 --> 00:31:16,956 You've been married to this man for seven years. 577 00:31:16,980 --> 00:31:17,980 Tell me about John. 578 00:31:19,325 --> 00:31:22,655 Well, I, unfortunately for everyone else, all of our 579 00:31:22,656 --> 00:31:25,581 other friends, they do not know John the way I do. 580 00:31:25,620 --> 00:31:26,940 And if they did... Well, that may be better. 581 00:31:27,250 --> 00:31:29,080 No, no, let me be more specific. 582 00:31:29,180 --> 00:31:34,180 Because most of the people know John as a businessman and an executive. 583 00:31:34,555 --> 00:31:37,680 But I know him as a husband and a loving father. 584 00:31:38,275 --> 00:31:41,640 And he's a totally unselfish, gentle, giving human being. 585 00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:44,320 I grew up and married Prince Charming. 586 00:31:44,321 --> 00:31:44,960 Really? 587 00:31:45,020 --> 00:31:46,320 That's exactly how I feel, yes. 588 00:31:46,690 --> 00:31:48,180 All right, John, describe her to me. 589 00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:52,140 Yeah, of course, it would take days. 590 00:31:52,430 --> 00:31:55,440 But I never in my wildest dreams ever believed 591 00:31:55,441 --> 00:31:58,300 that my life could be so complete and so happy. 592 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,330 And when there's any kind of a family crisis, 593 00:32:01,331 --> 00:32:03,800 she suddenly becomes the rock of Gibraltar. 594 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:08,295 She really is the solid, stable part of, you know, our relationship, whether it's. 595 00:32:08,341 --> 00:32:12,060 She was very perky, peppy, upbeat. 596 00:32:12,580 --> 00:32:14,200 And she is that way. 597 00:32:14,201 --> 00:32:16,361 She is that way in a lot of the footage that I've seen. 598 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:33,140 But every woman who has it all and who works and who has children and who is in 599 00:32:33,141 --> 00:32:37,760 love and who has a loving family, like, you cannot be 100% at everything. 600 00:32:38,350 --> 00:32:42,740 When I was watching footage, it was to sort of see what was the public Christina 601 00:32:42,741 --> 00:32:45,820 versus what was the personal, where the cracks were. 602 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,640 I just found out a few hours ago. 603 00:32:49,780 --> 00:32:50,780 I know nothing. 604 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:51,880 I caught a plane. 605 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:52,380 I'm here. 606 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,180 She's so composed. 607 00:32:54,660 --> 00:32:55,760 It's amazing, right? 608 00:32:56,020 --> 00:32:59,381 I mean, I feel like she was caught in between 609 00:32:59,393 --> 00:33:02,253 what she wanted things to be like and. 610 00:33:03,265 --> 00:33:06,420 And this is just me speculating, obviously, but, like, what she wanted 611 00:33:06,421 --> 00:33:08,840 things to be like and then what the reality was. 612 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:10,400 Not yet. 613 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,260 We were just rehearsing. 614 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:13,020 Sit down. 615 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:13,700 What are you doing? 616 00:33:13,970 --> 00:33:15,220 Sit down, you little... 617 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,780 And obviously, with what happened in their lives, with John being arrested, 618 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,960 that's a huge... I think that's sort of, like, the culmination of it all. 619 00:33:22,961 --> 00:33:27,060 And along the way, I'm sure that in their relationship, there were moments where she 620 00:33:27,061 --> 00:33:33,280 was very much in love, but wondering, you know, he's incredibly driven and 621 00:33:33,281 --> 00:33:35,280 ambitious, and how does she fit into that picture? 622 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,820 Eventually the car will get built, but right now I'm trying to build a brand. 623 00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:44,350 Well, it concerns me where we're gonna raise the children. 624 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,880 Well, wherever we set up shop, we won't have to spend much time there. 625 00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:52,870 All that matters is which government gives us the most money. 626 00:33:54,410 --> 00:33:55,410 Well, it matters to me. 627 00:33:57,230 --> 00:33:58,310 And it matters to the kids. 628 00:34:01,860 --> 00:34:02,860 Don't worry. 629 00:34:04,005 --> 00:34:05,365 It's gonna be great for all of us. 630 00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:07,300 Trust me. 631 00:34:12,460 --> 00:34:19,280 An island now experiencing rioting on a scale not seen for many years. 632 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,880 Why pick Belfast, Ireland to build your motor plant? 633 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:24,720 Oh, it's very simple. 634 00:34:24,900 --> 00:34:28,880 Nobody anywhere in the world would come up with the financing we needed. 635 00:34:28,980 --> 00:34:31,338 Now, nobody else would go to Belfast, because 636 00:34:31,339 --> 00:34:34,161 it's such a terrible, dangerous place to be. 637 00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:38,740 I read in the newspapers that John DeLorean had secured the investment he 638 00:34:38,741 --> 00:34:43,440 needed to establish his car project in Northern Ireland against the background of 639 00:34:43,441 --> 00:34:47,520 the famous Troubles that was rife at that time. 640 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:53,020 Prolonged civil unrest between Catholics and Protestants scares off industrialists, 641 00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:55,654 depriving Northern Ireland of jobs which it 642 00:34:55,655 --> 00:34:57,620 needs more than any other area of Britain. 643 00:34:57,621 --> 00:34:59,980 The unemployment was insane. 644 00:35:00,100 --> 00:35:01,360 It was 30, 40%. 645 00:35:01,361 --> 00:35:03,860 And John had something to offer. 646 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,120 Jobs. 647 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,740 The Labour government in Britain at the time was willing to put in subsidies, 648 00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:12,580 loans, a piece of land. 649 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,360 But here's the catch. 650 00:35:14,850 --> 00:35:18,240 It's got a population that has never built a car before. 651 00:35:18,650 --> 00:35:21,760 There's no pre-existing structure to build a car company there. 652 00:35:21,940 --> 00:35:24,120 And you have to do it in two years. 653 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,420 I mean, are you kidding me? 654 00:35:26,421 --> 00:35:29,600 And all they have at this point is a hand-built prototype. 655 00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:33,239 So it was a long list of things to accomplish 656 00:35:33,339 --> 00:35:35,820 to eventually be able to productionize the car. 657 00:35:36,355 --> 00:35:40,800 It became clear to everyone that they needed to have help to weed out all the 658 00:35:40,801 --> 00:35:43,700 problems and actually engineer this car to be mass-produced. 659 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,200 Well, Colin Chapman comes into the picture. 660 00:35:50,700 --> 00:35:53,960 Probably the finest automobile engineer I have ever met in my life. 661 00:35:54,180 --> 00:35:55,220 Colin Chapman. 662 00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:56,320 I'll introduce Colin now. 663 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,000 Colin Chapman is the founder of Lotus Cars. 664 00:36:00,725 --> 00:36:03,300 He was a pioneer in the racing industry. 665 00:36:03,790 --> 00:36:05,300 He dominated Formula One. 666 00:36:05,745 --> 00:36:11,680 A deal had been struck with Lotus Cars as a company and Colin Chapman as a named 667 00:36:11,681 --> 00:36:16,460 individual to engineer and develop DeLorean cars that could enter production. 668 00:36:17,075 --> 00:36:20,160 Well, the idea of working with Lotus would sound like a good idea. 669 00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:23,805 We would all get together and we'd become a joint 670 00:36:23,806 --> 00:36:26,400 organization and go finish the production job. 671 00:36:26,420 --> 00:36:27,500 It was a great design work. 672 00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:30,505 Well, when we first got to Lotus, I mean, 673 00:36:30,545 --> 00:36:32,940 right out of the chute, it was kind of awkward. 674 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:38,020 Here, Bill and I and some others had spent years getting us to this point. 675 00:36:38,890 --> 00:36:43,560 And then now it was like Bill Collins and Bob Mannion and whoever else was involved, 676 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,660 they can kind of, like, just, you know, watch us. 677 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,705 And that, of course, isn't what I was going to do and it 678 00:36:51,706 --> 00:36:53,861 certainly wasn't going to be what Bill was going to do. 679 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:54,640 This is Bill. 680 00:36:54,980 --> 00:36:55,980 John in. 681 00:36:56,420 --> 00:36:57,500 Bill, how the hell are you? 682 00:36:58,100 --> 00:36:59,960 Look, John, I got the contract you sent over. 683 00:37:01,290 --> 00:37:03,080 And I have to say, it raises some... 684 00:37:05,980 --> 00:37:08,560 You've got a lot in here about Lotus, John, but nothing about me. 685 00:37:09,180 --> 00:37:10,780 Well, you don't have to worry about that, Bill. 686 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:11,960 It's just a lot of paperwork. 687 00:37:12,300 --> 00:37:13,380 You know what you're doing. 688 00:37:13,700 --> 00:37:15,888 I understand that, John, but I thought this was 689 00:37:15,889 --> 00:37:17,800 supposed to be a collaboration on the redesign. 690 00:37:17,900 --> 00:37:19,500 But Chapman's nowhere to be found. 691 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,640 Well, they're doing a lot of R&D, aren't they? 692 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,040 That's the other thing. 693 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,280 This company in here, this... 694 00:37:28,930 --> 00:37:30,050 I've never even heard of it. 695 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,476 You don't need to worry about that, Bill. 696 00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:35,720 It's not going to affect you at all, OK? 697 00:37:36,275 --> 00:37:37,555 I don't see how that's possible. 698 00:37:37,580 --> 00:37:39,992 They've got a hefty line item in here on engineering, 699 00:37:39,993 --> 00:37:41,981 but that's what we're supposed to be doing. 700 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,880 It just seems like you're paying twice for the same thing, John. 701 00:37:46,570 --> 00:37:49,200 Well, it must be some kind of a tax shelter, Bill. 702 00:37:49,201 --> 00:37:49,640 I don't know. 703 00:37:49,660 --> 00:37:50,440 I'm not a CPA. 704 00:37:50,620 --> 00:37:51,620 I'm sorry. 705 00:37:53,825 --> 00:37:54,905 John, what am I doing here? 706 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:57,680 Why am I even here? 707 00:38:02,890 --> 00:38:04,090 I like Bill. 708 00:38:04,270 --> 00:38:05,870 I think he'd done a tremendous job. 709 00:38:06,070 --> 00:38:11,190 The moment I found him reading the contract, it was quite clear that what 710 00:38:11,690 --> 00:38:16,470 he'd already decided in his own mind was true, that he was out of a job. 711 00:38:17,010 --> 00:38:22,651 Colin Chapman was not going to have anybody looking over Colin Chapman's shoulder. 712 00:38:22,770 --> 00:38:25,250 To do business like this, don't you have to be pretty ruthless? 713 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,370 I don't think you have to be ruthless. 714 00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:31,830 I think you have to be prepared to make some unpalatable decisions. 715 00:38:31,850 --> 00:38:35,813 Because frequently you're faced with making a decision 716 00:38:35,814 --> 00:38:38,490 between two evils, and you're going to hurt somebody. 717 00:38:38,830 --> 00:38:41,130 John DeLorean himself, he knew. 718 00:38:41,570 --> 00:38:45,390 He'd arranged with Chapman that this is the way it's going to be. 719 00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:48,450 But nobody had told the guys from the US team. 720 00:38:49,155 --> 00:38:53,890 It becomes painfully clear that Bill and his engineering team are out of a job. 721 00:38:54,130 --> 00:38:56,552 And not only that, there's something very 722 00:38:56,553 --> 00:38:58,990 fishy going on with the finances of this deal. 723 00:38:59,410 --> 00:39:02,605 Colin Chapman was going to be willing to do something 724 00:39:02,606 --> 00:39:04,670 that Bill would never have been comfortable with. 725 00:39:04,930 --> 00:39:08,990 And for John, I think that was an important aspect to this partnership. 726 00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:11,459 And it was the type of thing that was so important to 727 00:39:11,460 --> 00:39:14,530 him at the time that he was willing to sacrifice Bill. 728 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:27,280 Dear John, after much deliberation on my part, I feel it is obvious to both of us 729 00:39:27,281 --> 00:39:30,540 that my participation in your venture is no longer the same as intended. 730 00:39:33,155 --> 00:39:36,800 Under the current circumstances, I feel the only alternative for me is to 731 00:39:36,801 --> 00:39:40,980 tender my resignation in all my present positions at this time. 732 00:39:41,230 --> 00:39:43,310 I wish you and the rest of the team the best of luck. 733 00:39:45,995 --> 00:39:49,340 All these years later, it still looks great. 734 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,600 And it would be nice to have a brown interior. 735 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,600 Well, it had been a long, long time that we'd been working on the project. 736 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:04,360 And I felt that I was being totally undercut by John. 737 00:40:04,361 --> 00:40:08,000 And he really owed me a hell of a lot more than to treat me the way he did. 738 00:40:09,355 --> 00:40:11,280 And it just seemed like the time to move on. 739 00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:17,040 Do you remember having the conversation with John where you said, I'm resigning? 740 00:40:17,041 --> 00:40:18,041 No, I don't remember. 741 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:19,360 I just... 742 00:40:20,510 --> 00:40:22,060 I think he was happy to see me go. 743 00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:23,460 Did he really? 744 00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:24,040 Yeah. 745 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:25,656 He didn't try to stop you at all? 746 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:26,680 No. 747 00:40:31,660 --> 00:40:33,775 We're all males, but there's something to be 748 00:40:33,776 --> 00:40:35,720 said about being the guy that's sort of the... 749 00:40:36,260 --> 00:40:36,900 got it. 750 00:40:37,050 --> 00:40:40,260 Bore the baby, as it were, with the DMC-12. 751 00:40:58,740 --> 00:41:03,780 Before we started filming, we knew nothing about John DeLorean, really. 752 00:41:08,140 --> 00:41:11,856 We basically came to the project because a British 753 00:41:11,857 --> 00:41:15,440 television station wanted to do something on Ireland. 754 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,180 And I was thinking, oh boy, we could do a wonderful piece on Yates. 755 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,076 They said, no, no, we want it to be about automobiles 756 00:41:23,077 --> 00:41:25,440 because everybody in England just loves automobiles. 757 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,072 Like most of our films, you know, the idea was to kind 758 00:41:29,073 --> 00:41:32,460 of watch somebody who wants to fulfill a life dream. 759 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,600 And, you know, that's who John was. 760 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,880 John Zachary DeLorean certainly doesn't smile much. 761 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:39,160 The reason is simple. 762 00:41:39,410 --> 00:41:42,360 The most important project in his life is yet to be accomplished. 763 00:41:42,915 --> 00:41:47,258 He was very guarded because he had so many things, I 764 00:41:47,259 --> 00:41:50,840 guess, on his mind to get figured out all the time. 765 00:41:50,841 --> 00:41:54,340 We've had some kind of criticism right from day one. 766 00:41:54,460 --> 00:41:57,561 First, we were never going to get the program together, then 767 00:41:57,562 --> 00:42:00,360 we'd never get the financing, then we'd never build a plant. 768 00:42:00,580 --> 00:42:05,400 I don't think the motor car manufacturing industries, whether it be America, 769 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:10,180 UK, mainland, actually ever thought that it could be done. 770 00:42:10,540 --> 00:42:14,360 Now the critics are forecasting our failure two or three years from now. 771 00:42:14,500 --> 00:42:17,198 So I think as long as you can always keep your failure two 772 00:42:17,199 --> 00:42:19,680 or three years in the future, you're probably going to do OK. 773 00:42:19,681 --> 00:42:22,455 I think DeLorean's problem was at that time, 774 00:42:22,456 --> 00:42:24,860 he needed cars and he needed cars in a hurry. 775 00:42:25,065 --> 00:42:28,360 You've got to pick the three or four big markets and go after them. 776 00:42:28,380 --> 00:42:30,320 We can't wait 14 months to start selling. 777 00:42:30,805 --> 00:42:37,720 It was a constant panic of racing the clock and it was damn the torpedoes and 778 00:42:37,895 --> 00:42:38,895 full speed ahead. 779 00:42:39,460 --> 00:42:42,188 It was such a process of building the car and 780 00:42:42,189 --> 00:42:44,620 seeing what was working and what wasn't working. 781 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,384 We've had problems on the upper control arm around 782 00:42:47,385 --> 00:42:49,560 the ball joint, but we also had a torsion rod failure. 783 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:50,800 141,000 cycles. 784 00:42:51,315 --> 00:42:53,400 Everybody knew that there were going to be problems. 785 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,520 The view you took was, well, yeah, we expected this. 786 00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:57,990 Fine, let's get on and fix it. 787 00:42:58,590 --> 00:43:00,580 It was crazy, absolutely crazy. 788 00:43:01,190 --> 00:43:02,280 But it was exciting. 789 00:43:02,540 --> 00:43:05,084 You were an operator on the floor seeing a lovely 790 00:43:05,085 --> 00:43:07,480 stainless steel car going together the way it should go. 791 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:08,800 That was very rewarding. 792 00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:12,460 You felt part of a family when you went in there. 793 00:43:13,060 --> 00:43:16,820 There was absolutely no trouble, no Protestant-Catholic divide. 794 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,300 One of the proudest achievements, I think, of 795 00:43:20,301 --> 00:43:23,041 DeLorean is it was a form of social experiment. 796 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,955 You had, for the first time in Northern Ireland, 797 00:43:25,956 --> 00:43:29,060 Catholics and Protestants working alongside each other. 798 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,440 This social experiment was beginning to work. 799 00:43:31,620 --> 00:43:34,560 You can have a mixed workforce and be successful. 800 00:43:34,900 --> 00:43:42,080 In two years and 11 months, we had built a factory, we had designed the car, 801 00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:46,199 the cars were built, and that was the best 802 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,301 time I have ever had working in any company. 803 00:43:51,265 --> 00:43:56,580 When the first six cars came rolling out, the news crews were all there. 804 00:43:57,555 --> 00:44:00,180 John was the biggest hero in Northern Ireland that day. 805 00:44:01,295 --> 00:44:05,780 It's incredible that he got 3,500 cars into the United States on a boat. 806 00:44:05,860 --> 00:44:12,000 We actually sailed on the damn boat, too, because I just was so excited to see 807 00:44:12,001 --> 00:44:16,020 that happen because I knew he showed them that he could do it. 808 00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:18,460 Buyers are reported to be queuing up in the United 809 00:44:18,461 --> 00:44:21,600 States for the company's futuristic, gull-winged DMC-12. 810 00:44:21,860 --> 00:44:25,134 DA and Chris, you watch their movie and the 811 00:44:25,214 --> 00:44:28,520 perception you get at the end is, this is a success. 812 00:44:29,050 --> 00:44:31,980 Everything was hunky-dory and it was great, you know. 813 00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:34,120 We'd succeeded in October 81. 814 00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:47,160 DeLorean is four or five little moves away from victory. 815 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:50,880 He's on the doorstep of that victory. 816 00:44:52,750 --> 00:44:55,400 You know, in the music of it, it's like Bolero. 817 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,200 You know, John just says... 818 00:45:02,170 --> 00:45:04,380 We don't migrate from that. 819 00:45:04,830 --> 00:45:07,981 He's played a pretty high-stakes game and he 820 00:45:07,982 --> 00:45:10,860 really, really stays calm and very contained. 821 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:16,620 And the drama is in him being contained while everything collapsed around him. 822 00:45:18,010 --> 00:45:25,360 Things started to go sour very quickly around the fall of 1981. 823 00:45:26,220 --> 00:45:28,640 There were a series of monumental cock-ups. 824 00:45:29,150 --> 00:45:30,670 So everything's going really smoothly. 825 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,820 Well, I wouldn't say smoothly. 826 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,870 I don't want to give the appearance that, you 827 00:45:34,871 --> 00:45:38,660 know, everything's just absolutely perfect. 828 00:45:39,870 --> 00:45:42,142 When those cars first came off the boat, 829 00:45:42,154 --> 00:45:44,660 they were just a product warranty nightmare. 830 00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:45,940 The door won't close. 831 00:45:46,100 --> 00:45:47,100 The gaps are all wrong. 832 00:45:47,260 --> 00:45:48,900 The window wiper won't work. 833 00:45:49,020 --> 00:45:51,000 The door mechanism won't work. 834 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,720 You know, that happened to me once. 835 00:45:52,980 --> 00:45:55,100 Stuck in the car, couldn't open the door, you know. 836 00:45:56,580 --> 00:45:58,000 We reviewed the car. 837 00:45:58,780 --> 00:46:00,680 It cost more than a Corvette. 838 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,360 It didn't handle that great. 839 00:46:02,500 --> 00:46:03,500 It was kind of slow. 840 00:46:03,890 --> 00:46:06,720 It was not the car he promised. 841 00:46:07,540 --> 00:46:10,440 This fuel-efficient, high-performance car. 842 00:46:11,690 --> 00:46:19,240 It started to go south when this happened in the teeth of a diminishing economy. 843 00:46:19,940 --> 00:46:21,380 Now the dream seems to be fading. 844 00:46:21,500 --> 00:46:22,960 Sales are way down in the industry. 845 00:46:22,980 --> 00:46:25,236 There's a lot of competition in the United States, perhaps for economic reasons, 846 00:46:25,260 --> 00:46:27,720 perhaps because of some dissatisfaction with the car. 847 00:46:28,370 --> 00:46:33,020 In a scenario where there's a few thousand cars coming to the U.S., there's these 848 00:46:33,021 --> 00:46:37,840 quality control issues, the lesson that should have been learned from this is, 849 00:46:38,060 --> 00:46:40,040 let's slow production down a little bit more. 850 00:46:40,415 --> 00:46:42,780 Let's figure out a way to work out all these issues. 851 00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:47,220 Unfortunately, that's the opposite of what John decided to do. 852 00:46:47,690 --> 00:46:50,120 He pulled the trigger on basically doubling production. 853 00:46:50,121 --> 00:46:51,680 And what happened? 854 00:46:52,260 --> 00:46:57,100 These cars were backing up like plague rats, you know, on the docks. 855 00:46:57,490 --> 00:46:59,480 And it was just the wrong, wrong move. 856 00:47:00,170 --> 00:47:02,320 So the question has to be, well, why did he do this? 857 00:47:03,060 --> 00:47:08,640 It was a typical John move because he saw a little angle in the contract where if 858 00:47:08,641 --> 00:47:12,320 you upped the amount of people that were working there and increased jobs, 859 00:47:12,885 --> 00:47:15,645 then the government was supposed to be giving him an infusion of cash. 860 00:47:15,780 --> 00:47:18,420 And so he thought he was going to take advantage of this little clause. 861 00:47:18,421 --> 00:47:22,880 Anyone who deals with the government knows that that's a risk in itself. 862 00:47:23,970 --> 00:47:25,100 What if the politics change? 863 00:47:25,285 --> 00:47:26,780 What if the administration changes? 864 00:47:28,045 --> 00:47:30,460 Well, Margaret Thatcher happened. 865 00:47:32,490 --> 00:47:34,140 We'd had a change of government by now. 866 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:35,800 The Conservatives were in power. 867 00:47:36,275 --> 00:47:39,780 Margaret Thatcher, the arch-privateer, was Prime Minister. 868 00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:43,183 Between Margaret Thatcher as Prime Minister and us, there 869 00:47:43,184 --> 00:47:46,280 was a Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, James Pryor. 870 00:47:47,060 --> 00:47:48,400 Well, I suppose my role was different. 871 00:47:48,420 --> 00:47:51,620 My role at DeLorean was to keep him under control. 872 00:47:52,410 --> 00:47:55,080 The Labour government had started off the DeLorean business. 873 00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:58,798 The Conservative government took a tougher line 874 00:47:58,799 --> 00:48:02,520 towards subsidies for Northern Ireland for DeLorean. 875 00:48:03,250 --> 00:48:06,260 DeLorean wanted another $76 million from the British. 876 00:48:06,690 --> 00:48:08,290 If not, he said, there would be layoffs. 877 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,060 I don't care about the British taxpayers' money or my own money. 878 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,600 I think the most important thing is we have some people there. 879 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,120 This is a very, very important part of their life, and 880 00:48:18,121 --> 00:48:20,940 nothing in the world should be permitted to interfere with it. 881 00:48:21,140 --> 00:48:29,040 John overestimated the fact that we had created jobs and that it was the jobs that 882 00:48:29,041 --> 00:48:32,960 would secure even more money to keep us alive. 883 00:48:33,620 --> 00:48:35,560 That was not the way Margaret Thatcher saw it. 884 00:48:36,410 --> 00:48:39,379 She genuinely took the view that we couldn't 885 00:48:39,391 --> 00:48:42,041 go on pouring a lot of money after bad. 886 00:48:42,830 --> 00:48:44,100 In the end, we had to say no. 887 00:48:45,140 --> 00:48:46,180 The result? 888 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,000 We ran out of cash. 889 00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:51,940 Therefore, we were heading for insolvency. 890 00:48:53,085 --> 00:48:56,720 And that's at the point when things got very serious indeed. 891 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:03,910 We have a group right now that has got the ability to 892 00:49:03,911 --> 00:49:07,960 come up with for sure $30 million and upwards of there. 893 00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,420 During this whole process, John's back was really up against the wall. 894 00:49:13,820 --> 00:49:17,100 He had to figure out a way to pay some of the money back to the British government 895 00:49:17,101 --> 00:49:19,583 as well as present to them a feasible way to 896 00:49:19,584 --> 00:49:22,661 keep the company open and make it profitable. 897 00:49:22,725 --> 00:49:27,460 Or else they were threatening to come in, seize the factory, liquidate the assets, 898 00:49:27,915 --> 00:49:29,476 and everyone was going to be out of a job. 899 00:49:29,500 --> 00:49:32,160 Today, DeLorean said he is looking for outside financing. 900 00:49:32,460 --> 00:49:35,220 All I want to do is keep the factory open so the people can work. 901 00:49:35,300 --> 00:49:36,060 Nothing else. 902 00:49:36,140 --> 00:49:37,776 You last said that you'd keep the factory open. 903 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:38,940 It was your last breath. 904 00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:40,160 Do you still stand by that? 905 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:41,200 I'm still trying. 906 00:49:41,410 --> 00:49:43,732 During the months of sort of August, September, 907 00:49:43,733 --> 00:49:46,421 we've had periodic contact with John DeLorean. 908 00:49:47,110 --> 00:49:51,840 He, on a regular basis, was coming up with potential funders. 909 00:49:51,980 --> 00:49:54,565 It's been a lot of time and effort, but I think we're 910 00:49:54,566 --> 00:49:58,440 now just starting out on a very successful relationship. 911 00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,920 It just took a while to put it together. 912 00:50:01,020 --> 00:50:06,560 The workers and the people closest to him at DMC were being told, hey, listen, 913 00:50:06,700 --> 00:50:07,900 everything's going to be fine. 914 00:50:08,070 --> 00:50:10,260 I definitely have the sources coming through. 915 00:50:10,261 --> 00:50:14,315 And we were still at the stage where we were 916 00:50:14,316 --> 00:50:17,920 hoping and hoping that it would go all right. 917 00:50:18,235 --> 00:50:20,706 In terms of having, you know, the first 10 million, 918 00:50:20,707 --> 00:50:23,341 it sounds like that's got to be Tuesday, right? 919 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,220 I would say I should be able to get that going very quick. 920 00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:28,809 The impression we got at that time was that John had 921 00:50:28,810 --> 00:50:34,360 pretty well got the money by the 17th of October, 1982. 922 00:50:55,570 --> 00:50:56,570 Hello? 923 00:51:00,750 --> 00:51:01,750 What? 924 00:51:10,180 --> 00:51:11,260 What are you talking about? 925 00:51:12,740 --> 00:51:16,100 We were in the city, in the apartment at 834. 926 00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:18,500 Phone rings. 927 00:51:20,170 --> 00:51:21,240 Mom, who was that? 928 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,900 And one phone call. 929 00:51:27,660 --> 00:51:28,660 My life changed forever. 930 00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:34,300 John DeLorean was arrested yesterday after he met with undercover drug agents who 931 00:51:34,301 --> 00:51:37,800 DeLorean apparently thought were going to help him make a huge profit in a cocaine 932 00:51:37,801 --> 00:51:40,660 deal, involving more than 100 kilos of cocaine. 933 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,865 DeLorean's wife, Christina Ferrari, an actress and 934 00:51:43,866 --> 00:51:46,400 model, arrived in Los Angeles early this morning. 935 00:51:47,780 --> 00:51:49,880 I just found out a few hours ago. 936 00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:51,040 I know nothing. 937 00:51:51,100 --> 00:51:52,100 I caught a plane. 938 00:51:52,180 --> 00:51:52,640 I'm here. 939 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,460 Everybody was in total shock. 940 00:51:55,340 --> 00:51:59,300 Never in our wildest dreams did we think anything like this would occur. 941 00:51:59,660 --> 00:52:02,145 John DeLorean may be the perfect proof of the old 942 00:52:02,225 --> 00:52:04,620 saying, the bigger they come, the harder they fall. 943 00:52:04,621 --> 00:52:07,260 And we might add, the more people want to hear about it. 944 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,000 It was just disbelief. 945 00:52:10,610 --> 00:52:14,660 And then the news just progressively got worse and worse and worse. 946 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:20,680 He was expressing an interest in financing some type of operation that would produce 947 00:52:20,681 --> 00:52:24,860 quickly large sums of money on return from the investment. 948 00:52:25,850 --> 00:52:32,500 I was shocked out of my socks to see him there in this position. 949 00:52:32,501 --> 00:52:36,560 I'd never seen him in anything except being pretty much on top of the world. 950 00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:41,740 The sensational case involves more than 200 pounds of cocaine, an elaborate 951 00:52:41,741 --> 00:52:46,200 undercover investigation, the end of the DeLorean car, and much, much more. 952 00:52:52,455 --> 00:52:58,051 It's been said, it's a cliché now, that the dream had turned into a nightmare. 953 00:52:58,930 --> 00:53:05,070 Could you imagine how we felt seeing John DeLorean, our angel, if you like? 954 00:53:05,890 --> 00:53:06,550 There he was. 955 00:53:06,551 --> 00:53:07,551 Going away. 956 00:53:07,620 --> 00:53:13,670 And everybody was downtrodden because we felt sure that he had done so much, 957 00:53:14,250 --> 00:53:15,250 he'd come through again. 958 00:53:16,215 --> 00:53:18,670 But this time, unfortunately, he didn't. 959 00:53:20,170 --> 00:53:21,866 Well, you're walking out of the plant for the last time today. 960 00:53:21,890 --> 00:53:22,670 How do you feel about it? 961 00:53:22,750 --> 00:53:23,750 Pretty upset. 962 00:53:24,590 --> 00:53:26,510 What are your chances of getting another job now? 963 00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:27,790 Not very good at all. 964 00:53:28,420 --> 00:53:31,510 I had to go into the plant that morning, call the people together. 965 00:53:32,235 --> 00:53:33,990 They'd all heard the same thing, of course. 966 00:53:35,340 --> 00:53:36,530 And it really wasn't. 967 00:53:36,550 --> 00:53:37,550 It was the end. 968 00:53:38,385 --> 00:53:41,462 I was going round with the auctioneer and he 969 00:53:41,463 --> 00:53:45,011 was putting tags on every piece of equipment. 970 00:53:46,065 --> 00:53:47,065 And that was my last day. 971 00:53:49,685 --> 00:53:53,850 The expectation of everybody working their hearts out over there to get these cars 972 00:53:53,851 --> 00:53:58,450 built to a good standard and they felt it was going to be their life. 973 00:54:00,630 --> 00:54:02,870 And it all fell apart and it was incredibly sad. 974 00:54:06,430 --> 00:54:12,530 I met up with people now and then that either they worked there or their dad 975 00:54:12,531 --> 00:54:14,251 worked there or their granddad worked there. 976 00:54:15,060 --> 00:54:16,166 And they got the same questions. 977 00:54:16,190 --> 00:54:17,190 What was it really like? 978 00:54:17,390 --> 00:54:18,670 It was the best job we ever had. 979 00:54:20,590 --> 00:54:23,310 And it was the worst day of their lives when it finally closed. 980 00:54:28,290 --> 00:54:31,790 After entering a plea of not guilty to all nine drug charges against him, 981 00:54:32,010 --> 00:54:35,590 John DeLorean came out of the federal courthouse in Los Angeles with his wife, 982 00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:37,816 model Christina Farrar, and the four lawyers 983 00:54:37,817 --> 00:54:39,610 who are now putting together his defense. 984 00:54:40,070 --> 00:54:42,569 DeLorean said nothing today, but he is reported to have 985 00:54:42,570 --> 00:54:44,791 told his lawyers he was desperate to save his company. 986 00:54:45,330 --> 00:54:48,330 DeLorean's lawyers are preparing to argue the government entrapped DeLorean. 987 00:54:50,670 --> 00:54:54,650 It was the case of the century for that year. 988 00:54:55,250 --> 00:54:58,350 Because every year has a case of the century, trial of the century. 989 00:54:59,370 --> 00:55:01,750 So we were the trial of the century for 1984. 990 00:55:02,470 --> 00:55:04,988 The sidewalks in front of the courthouse will be jammed 991 00:55:04,989 --> 00:55:07,610 with reporters and camera crews from all over the world. 992 00:55:07,850 --> 00:55:10,031 Unless you were there and you lived it, you 993 00:55:10,032 --> 00:55:13,191 don't know how captivating it was for the nation. 994 00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:16,170 A young entrepreneur started hanging around the courthouse steps today, 995 00:55:16,370 --> 00:55:18,390 hawking buttons that say, John Z. 996 00:55:18,430 --> 00:55:21,210 DeLorean cocaine trafficking trial, Los Angeles, 84. 997 00:55:21,765 --> 00:55:26,299 Our public views these as, if it's a bad guy, get 998 00:55:26,379 --> 00:55:29,530 him, and if it's not a bad guy, get the government. 999 00:55:29,590 --> 00:55:32,050 It's all really kind of entertainment to the public. 1000 00:55:32,365 --> 00:55:36,416 John DeLorean had some bad news, the automobile 1001 00:55:36,417 --> 00:55:39,051 association named him dealer of the year. 1002 00:55:41,830 --> 00:55:45,310 A businessman down on his luck tries to make money in a dope deal. 1003 00:55:45,590 --> 00:55:48,430 I mean, that's the John DeLorean that I knew. 1004 00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:51,870 The case was of overwhelming strength. 1005 00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:58,250 Here's the cocaine, and here's your target, and he's holding up a glass of 1006 00:55:58,251 --> 00:56:03,930 champagne, toasting, and says that this is bad. 1007 00:56:04,270 --> 00:56:05,470 Better than, what was it? 1008 00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:08,171 Better than something, uh... Better than gold? 1009 00:56:08,730 --> 00:56:10,130 Gold is more than that. 1010 00:56:11,690 --> 00:56:14,294 Everybody believed that the events were showing 1011 00:56:14,295 --> 00:56:17,311 John DeLorean in the middle of a drug deal. 1012 00:56:17,685 --> 00:56:21,524 One of the things I asked the jurors very early on was, would 1013 00:56:21,525 --> 00:56:24,570 it surprise you if I told you you weren't seeing a drug deal? 1014 00:56:25,020 --> 00:56:29,341 And just hang on and watch the whole movie, and at the 1015 00:56:29,342 --> 00:56:32,190 end, you're gonna see it isn't what it appeared to be. 1016 00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:33,530 A real thriller. 1017 00:56:34,270 --> 00:56:35,910 Of course, which it turned out to be. 1018 00:56:43,140 --> 00:56:47,400 The case starts with a guy named James Hoffman. 1019 00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:49,860 He was the informant. 1020 00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,000 He was somebody who had been a major narcotics 1021 00:56:54,001 --> 00:56:57,161 trafficker who had the bad luck of being caught. 1022 00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:59,400 And he decided to cooperate. 1023 00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:00,560 Velestra. 1024 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,660 Mr. Velestra, it's Tim Hoffman, your favorite C.I. 1025 00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:05,220 Uh-huh. 1026 00:57:05,260 --> 00:57:07,320 You're not gonna believe who I had a call with. 1027 00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:10,880 John DeLorean. 1028 00:57:11,290 --> 00:57:16,700 When I got the call from the C.I., it was a neighbor of his. 1029 00:57:17,350 --> 00:57:19,640 We were neighbors out here in California. 1030 00:57:20,700 --> 00:57:23,020 I was across from his ranch in Palma Valley. 1031 00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,840 He says to me, the C.I., that, John, you need some money. 1032 00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:29,200 And the imprints of drugs was right there. 1033 00:57:29,420 --> 00:57:32,300 You've seen the kind of dire straits his company's in right now. 1034 00:57:33,090 --> 00:57:34,090 He needs cash bad. 1035 00:57:34,780 --> 00:57:37,040 And he doesn't care where it comes from. 1036 00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:38,880 You know, he's gonna be there. 1037 00:57:38,881 --> 00:57:41,160 He'll be back in Palma Valley at his ranch next week. 1038 00:57:41,260 --> 00:57:42,020 He wants to meet me. 1039 00:57:42,255 --> 00:57:43,380 We've already set it up. 1040 00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:44,440 Seriously, Jim? 1041 00:57:44,660 --> 00:57:45,660 You kidding me? 1042 00:57:45,935 --> 00:57:46,935 My hands are gone. 1043 00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:48,680 This is happening. 1044 00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,200 I said, well, see what he's got to say. 1045 00:57:51,380 --> 00:57:51,800 Go ahead. 1046 00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:52,910 See what he has to say. 1047 00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:54,640 Have I ever done you guys wrong before? 1048 00:57:55,660 --> 00:57:56,660 I'll be in touch. 1049 00:57:59,940 --> 00:58:01,700 So at this point, it's 1982. 1050 00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,120 Reagan's just announced the war on drugs. 1051 00:58:05,121 --> 00:58:06,908 We're all together in a comprehensive attack 1052 00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,560 on drug trafficking and organized crime. 1053 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:13,260 In this time period, a confidential informant like James Hoffman can actually 1054 00:58:13,261 --> 00:58:17,160 make a living by introducing the DEA to high-level criminals. 1055 00:58:17,380 --> 00:58:18,380 John. 1056 00:58:19,110 --> 00:58:20,400 John, great to see you. 1057 00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:21,220 You too, Jim. 1058 00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:22,120 Been a while. 1059 00:58:22,300 --> 00:58:25,200 And in this case, it's the perfect storm for John DeLorean. 1060 00:58:28,110 --> 00:58:33,280 When Jim first approached John, it seemed like a very far-fetched idea 1061 00:58:33,281 --> 00:58:35,001 that he'd actually be able to help John out. 1062 00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:36,160 These investors... 1063 00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:40,780 But Jim was throwing out some numbers that seemed very alluring to John. 1064 00:58:40,900 --> 00:58:43,220 10, 20, 50 million. 1065 00:58:44,100 --> 00:58:48,440 I thought your investors might like to see these brochures that we have made up that 1066 00:58:48,690 --> 00:58:51,800 really can show you how we're all set to... Yeah, there's no need. 1067 00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:56,360 They're not exactly the kind of guys that get hung up on paperwork. 1068 00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:58,480 They're Colombian. 1069 00:59:00,900 --> 00:59:02,160 They in the coffee business? 1070 00:59:02,860 --> 00:59:03,900 You might say that. 1071 00:59:05,180 --> 00:59:09,520 They met, and the first conversation was not recorded. 1072 00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:11,860 So we don't really know what was said. 1073 00:59:13,050 --> 00:59:15,380 And it was when Hoffman then met with DeLorean. 1074 00:59:16,025 --> 00:59:18,825 At that point, Hoffman comes back to Valestra 1075 00:59:18,837 --> 00:59:21,221 and says, yeah, he wants to talk dope. 1076 00:59:21,290 --> 00:59:21,980 I said, really? 1077 00:59:22,275 --> 00:59:27,960 I mean, well, if he said that, we better let him say it again somewhere. 1078 00:59:29,020 --> 00:59:30,020 Which we did. 1079 00:59:30,300 --> 00:59:31,320 Yeah, how you doing? 1080 00:59:31,420 --> 00:59:31,820 Well, great. 1081 00:59:31,940 --> 00:59:32,320 How you doing? 1082 00:59:32,340 --> 00:59:33,340 Interrupting your lunch? 1083 00:59:33,615 --> 00:59:38,100 And then September 4th, the meeting at the LaFont Plaza takes place. 1084 00:59:38,450 --> 00:59:40,780 That's a one-on-one meeting with the C.I. 1085 00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:41,800 and John. 1086 00:59:42,350 --> 00:59:45,075 There aren't many people that can pick up the phone and 1087 00:59:45,076 --> 00:59:47,501 get $30 million in three or four days without all I have. 1088 00:59:47,580 --> 00:59:49,460 I can't think of any to be honest. 1089 00:59:51,070 --> 00:59:53,600 That video is pretty explicit stuff. 1090 00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:55,300 The C.I. 1091 00:59:55,340 --> 00:59:56,340 writes it all out. 1092 00:59:56,410 --> 00:59:59,340 And the scenarios are right there on the paper. 1093 00:59:59,660 --> 01:00:03,000 So we can take 34 kilos of 1094 01:00:16,370 --> 01:00:16,610 40... 1095 01:00:17,050 --> 01:00:22,730 During this period of time, John now is supposed to come up with the 1.8 mil. 1096 01:00:23,465 --> 01:00:24,545 That was where it was left. 1097 01:00:25,180 --> 01:00:26,860 So you'd have to put some skin in the game. 1098 01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:48,400 Government attorneys in the John DeLorean trial today introduced a videotape that is 1099 01:00:48,401 --> 01:00:50,841 perhaps the most damaging evidence against the auto executive. 1100 01:00:51,150 --> 01:00:54,200 The tape was played as part of the testimony of James Hoffman, a paid 1101 01:00:54,201 --> 01:00:57,100 undercover informer who is the government's key witness against DeLorean. 1102 01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,280 Defense attorneys described the meeting in Washington, D.C. 1103 01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,440 between John DeLorean and the undercover informant as a clever lure. 1104 01:01:03,700 --> 01:01:07,420 And as for DeLorean's participation in that discussion, the defense team says 1105 01:01:07,421 --> 01:01:10,580 there's no harm in listening to someone else talk about a drug deal. 1106 01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,775 For three months during the trial, we moved to my 1107 01:01:19,776 --> 01:01:22,940 grandmother's grandfather's house in Brentwood. 1108 01:01:23,570 --> 01:01:25,640 You know, I play it all out in my head all the time. 1109 01:01:26,270 --> 01:01:29,443 Something will come up and I'll start thinking about 1110 01:01:29,444 --> 01:01:31,821 stuff and it'll spark a memory or trigger something. 1111 01:01:32,910 --> 01:01:36,000 Guys, no matter what happens, hey, we're gonna be fine. 1112 01:01:37,290 --> 01:01:38,380 Everything's gonna be fine. 1113 01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,280 My father was looking at hardcore time. 1114 01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:47,597 And to my parents' credit, they did what they 1115 01:01:47,598 --> 01:01:51,080 could to make it as best a situation as they could. 1116 01:01:52,370 --> 01:01:55,520 How the fuck do you tell your kid that shit ain't okay? 1117 01:01:57,290 --> 01:02:00,760 He just asked me if we're both coming back from court or... 1118 01:02:00,835 --> 01:02:02,840 I am not going away for this. 1119 01:02:02,900 --> 01:02:05,484 The jury will see how asinine this whole thing is and 1120 01:02:05,485 --> 01:02:08,280 how they've set up an innocent man for God's sakes. 1121 01:02:10,980 --> 01:02:12,500 Now, what do you think about this tie? 1122 01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:15,800 It's fine. 1123 01:02:16,730 --> 01:02:17,780 You sure the brown works? 1124 01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:19,550 I mean, I had a blue one on when I stamped this picture, 1125 01:02:19,551 --> 01:02:21,441 but you can't tell because it's in black or white. 1126 01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:23,840 Either way. 1127 01:02:23,915 --> 01:02:25,440 I don't want it to read black. 1128 01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,320 I mean, I don't want to send the wrong message. 1129 01:02:28,010 --> 01:02:29,010 To who, the judge? 1130 01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:29,800 Oh, to everyone. 1131 01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,400 Next time they stamp my picture, it could be a magazine cover. 1132 01:02:32,650 --> 01:02:34,100 John, either one works fine. 1133 01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:35,700 Because it'll be in color if it's in black. 1134 01:02:35,701 --> 01:02:36,701 Hey! 1135 01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:38,760 You have to talk to the children. 1136 01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,280 Catherine, come and give Mommy a hug, sweetie. 1137 01:02:50,340 --> 01:02:51,340 She seems pretty upset. 1138 01:02:55,020 --> 01:02:57,562 And, Zack, I know you're worried, but I need 1139 01:02:57,563 --> 01:02:59,780 you pulling for your old man to win this thing. 1140 01:02:59,900 --> 01:03:00,900 All right? 1141 01:03:00,930 --> 01:03:02,410 I just want to go back to New Jersey. 1142 01:03:02,540 --> 01:03:03,280 So do I. 1143 01:03:03,550 --> 01:03:05,156 And we will as soon as this thing is over. 1144 01:03:05,180 --> 01:03:05,480 All right? 1145 01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,000 Zack, look at me. 1146 01:03:08,340 --> 01:03:09,060 Your dad's in New Jersey. 1147 01:03:09,061 --> 01:03:10,061 He's a winner, right? 1148 01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:17,460 For me, it's a double-edged sword that I walk all the time. 1149 01:03:18,130 --> 01:03:19,810 The evidence is there that they set him up. 1150 01:03:22,950 --> 01:03:28,040 But common sense and reality tells me that he's not a fucking idiot, that he must 1151 01:03:28,041 --> 01:03:29,980 have known something was fucked up at some time. 1152 01:03:30,420 --> 01:03:32,200 I'm going to wear the blue tie, okay? 1153 01:03:32,965 --> 01:03:36,285 So it's like, you know, how the fuck could you put our family in jeopardy like that? 1154 01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:41,140 Twenty-one days into the John DeLorean cocaine trial, defense attorney Howard 1155 01:03:41,141 --> 01:03:43,300 Weitzman says there's no question that John DeLorean 1156 01:03:43,301 --> 01:03:45,461 can be seen and heard on tape talking about narcotics. 1157 01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:48,982 But he says the question is, how far can the government 1158 01:03:48,983 --> 01:03:51,221 go in dangling a lure in front of a desperate man? 1159 01:03:51,505 --> 01:03:55,460 When I look back at this case, Hoffman had said, if you give me, 1160 01:03:55,980 --> 01:03:58,140 you know, a million and a half, two million dollars, three million 1161 01:03:58,141 --> 01:04:01,300 dollars, I can get you 10, 15, 20 million dollars back. 1162 01:04:02,060 --> 01:04:03,140 John didn't have the money. 1163 01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:07,340 And logic would tell you that that's the end of the investigation. 1164 01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:20,340 Are you sure about this? 1165 01:04:20,341 --> 01:04:21,701 I'm sure he can't put any cash in. 1166 01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:27,340 At this point, I don't think DeLorean can scrounge 20 Gs, let alone two million. 1167 01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:31,538 Listen, I've been pouring through all these 1168 01:04:31,539 --> 01:04:33,601 tapes, and I just don't think we have them yet. 1169 01:04:34,450 --> 01:04:35,490 He's got it in collateral. 1170 01:04:36,700 --> 01:04:40,320 Okay, but if collateral's all we get, then it's got to equal at least that much. 1171 01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:43,980 Listen to me. 1172 01:04:44,540 --> 01:04:45,660 We've got to get it on tape. 1173 01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:47,600 This is my first rodeo, Jerry. 1174 01:04:47,820 --> 01:04:48,940 I know how it works. 1175 01:04:50,340 --> 01:04:54,680 I'm just saying, until now, he's been real careful about how he parses all his words, 1176 01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:56,260 so... 1177 01:04:56,710 --> 01:04:58,520 Look, it's different than a phone call now. 1178 01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:00,720 He's about to walk into a real bank. 1179 01:05:01,180 --> 01:05:04,200 He knows Eureka's legit, so he won't for one second think that I'm not. 1180 01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,840 Still, the more drug references you can slip in, the better. 1181 01:05:07,420 --> 01:05:08,420 We got this, Jerry. 1182 01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:16,780 Throughout the entire thing, they had to continue changing the script. 1183 01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:19,241 It wasn't going to be, here's the two million dollars, 1184 01:05:19,242 --> 01:05:21,380 here's the drug money back, boom, you're arrested. 1185 01:05:21,830 --> 01:05:25,700 So then it turned into James Hoffman, the C.I., convincing him, hey, 1186 01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:27,280 I know this crooked banker. 1187 01:05:27,540 --> 01:05:28,540 Hey, John. 1188 01:05:28,620 --> 01:05:29,620 Hi, Jim. 1189 01:05:29,860 --> 01:05:30,920 Great to see you. 1190 01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:31,300 You too. 1191 01:05:31,500 --> 01:05:32,976 Have you been here in this area before? 1192 01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:34,060 I've been in San Jose. 1193 01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:39,800 The Dorian case was just one of other cases that I was involved in from the 1194 01:05:39,801 --> 01:05:43,160 standpoint of being an undercover operator working at a bank. 1195 01:05:43,260 --> 01:05:46,080 So the bank provided the perfect undercover front. 1196 01:05:46,435 --> 01:05:50,380 Finally, shall we say, got together after all this time? 1197 01:05:50,500 --> 01:05:52,320 Yeah, after so many conversations, right? 1198 01:05:52,580 --> 01:05:53,780 Can I get you a cup of coffee? 1199 01:05:54,140 --> 01:05:55,874 At this point of the story, John's not 1200 01:05:55,886 --> 01:05:57,900 going to put any actual money into the game. 1201 01:05:58,115 --> 01:05:59,840 He can potentially put up collateral. 1202 01:06:00,470 --> 01:06:05,560 Ben Tisa is the one that's supposed to now set up an alternative situation for John. 1203 01:06:06,110 --> 01:06:07,990 Let me give you a background on what I intended. 1204 01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,609 The background of the individual I had in mind and how 1205 01:06:10,610 --> 01:06:14,240 I think it may help you and this other transaction. 1206 01:06:14,740 --> 01:06:17,060 We had a particular suspect. 1207 01:06:17,061 --> 01:06:21,640 His name was Hetrick, who was a pilot who flew cocaine in from Colombia. 1208 01:06:22,190 --> 01:06:25,180 This particular individual has been very successful in his business. 1209 01:06:26,225 --> 01:06:28,620 So the idea came in, well, maybe the dope 1210 01:06:28,621 --> 01:06:30,980 dealer would invest in John DeLorean's company. 1211 01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:35,180 John DeLorean being told that the money was going to come from sale of cocaine. 1212 01:06:35,700 --> 01:06:38,400 Just so that the cars on the table know exactly what's going on. 1213 01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,240 It was very successful in bringing in the cocaine. 1214 01:06:43,780 --> 01:06:48,900 Would it be possible to allow this gentleman to have, say, a... 1215 01:06:49,100 --> 01:06:51,160 some stock options? 1216 01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:51,740 Here's what I have. 1217 01:06:51,820 --> 01:06:52,140 Oh, sure. 1218 01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,580 I don't think we could do that in our public company, but I... 1219 01:06:54,581 --> 01:06:56,981 I see no reason why I couldn't do it from my private company. 1220 01:06:57,220 --> 01:06:57,580 Great. 1221 01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:58,080 That's great. 1222 01:06:58,280 --> 01:06:59,280 That works. 1223 01:06:59,790 --> 01:07:02,459 In John's mind, once again, the genius at 1224 01:07:02,460 --> 01:07:05,240 bending the rules, finding the little loophole. 1225 01:07:05,425 --> 01:07:09,257 Hey, I'll take this money, even if it comes from drug 1226 01:07:09,258 --> 01:07:11,681 folks, but it's coming through a legitimate bank. 1227 01:07:11,860 --> 01:07:12,120 Hello. 1228 01:07:12,220 --> 01:07:12,800 John DeLorean. 1229 01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:13,620 Morgan Hetrick. 1230 01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:14,260 Hi, Morgan. 1231 01:07:14,340 --> 01:07:14,620 How are you? 1232 01:07:14,780 --> 01:07:14,940 How are you doing? 1233 01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:15,380 Nice to meet you. 1234 01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:15,600 How are you? 1235 01:07:16,380 --> 01:07:17,500 Enter Morgan Hetrick. 1236 01:07:17,650 --> 01:07:19,907 He was somebody that was flying in hundreds and 1237 01:07:19,908 --> 01:07:22,660 hundreds of pounds of cocaine from South America. 1238 01:07:23,010 --> 01:07:27,900 So the government felt that at that point, that was the best opportunity to bring 1239 01:07:27,901 --> 01:07:31,900 both John and Hetrick down, is to merge the cases. 1240 01:07:32,685 --> 01:07:36,971 The government told Hetrick that John had put in $2 million, 1241 01:07:36,972 --> 01:07:39,840 and that he wanted to do this drug deal with Hetrick. 1242 01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:41,040 Because he's already given me. 1243 01:07:41,060 --> 01:07:42,116 I've mentioned that to him. 1244 01:07:42,140 --> 01:07:43,420 I've had the 1.8. 1245 01:07:43,421 --> 01:07:44,120 I'm sitting on it. 1246 01:07:44,340 --> 01:07:46,220 And it's cash in hand. 1247 01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:47,280 I have it. 1248 01:07:48,770 --> 01:07:53,520 And he was given an opportunity to stay in the deal without putting money in. 1249 01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:56,900 And he took it. 1250 01:07:57,060 --> 01:07:59,540 You can't go wrong with something you make a lot of money with. 1251 01:08:17,535 --> 01:08:22,060 So in terms of the drug case, you've got hours of phone conversations, hours of 1252 01:08:22,061 --> 01:08:27,220 videotape showing John with these drug dealers and crooked bankers. 1253 01:08:27,540 --> 01:08:28,540 Is the feed secure? 1254 01:08:30,480 --> 01:08:32,456 You sure he's not going to be able to hear anything through this wall? 1255 01:08:32,480 --> 01:08:34,780 John still hasn't given the government anything. 1256 01:08:34,781 --> 01:08:37,480 So they have to introduce this new character. 1257 01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:39,520 This sort of mob drug dealer guy. 1258 01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:40,480 Showtime. 1259 01:08:40,890 --> 01:08:42,930 Who's really going to crank the pressure up on John. 1260 01:08:46,480 --> 01:08:47,480 Nice to meet you. 1261 01:08:47,580 --> 01:08:48,960 Oh, it's my pleasure. 1262 01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:57,034 When I meet him at the hotel room, I would 1263 01:08:57,035 --> 01:09:01,160 be the one that would be handling the drugs. 1264 01:09:02,550 --> 01:09:04,070 All Jim had to do was put it together. 1265 01:09:04,930 --> 01:09:07,260 Get a finder's fee, whatever. 1266 01:09:08,460 --> 01:09:14,160 And me and my network would be going out to quadruple our investment. 1267 01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:16,720 We're ready to consummate the interview. 1268 01:09:22,390 --> 01:09:23,550 I'm asking for what? 1269 01:09:24,570 --> 01:09:25,230 What are you putting up? 1270 01:09:25,570 --> 01:09:26,890 There's no more money from you. 1271 01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:29,080 There's no free lunch either. 1272 01:09:29,470 --> 01:09:30,670 Yeah, there's no free lunch. 1273 01:09:36,850 --> 01:09:40,490 At this point in the story, each participant in this deal is trying to 1274 01:09:40,590 --> 01:09:43,730 outsmart and outmaneuver the other person for their own gain. 1275 01:09:46,950 --> 01:09:48,670 John wants to get money to save his company. 1276 01:09:48,810 --> 01:09:51,550 You've got Jim Hoffman, who's leeching off of the government. 1277 01:09:51,750 --> 01:09:55,910 He begins to enjoy this lifestyle of working with the feds. 1278 01:09:57,010 --> 01:09:59,894 And then the feds, they're trying to have that 1279 01:09:59,895 --> 01:10:03,251 big, big case for Reagan to tout his war on drugs. 1280 01:10:03,290 --> 01:10:06,730 So everyone is hungry for that one thing that they want out of this. 1281 01:10:08,230 --> 01:10:12,170 When you analyze a case like this, you realize, wait. 1282 01:10:12,390 --> 01:10:16,930 The informant kind of created this with the government working with him. 1283 01:10:16,950 --> 01:10:17,970 And it didn't work. 1284 01:10:18,420 --> 01:10:20,990 So they went to a savings and loan, legitimate bank. 1285 01:10:21,570 --> 01:10:24,870 Got them to let him use the premises, you know, like a set in the movie. 1286 01:10:25,950 --> 01:10:28,870 Phase three, they put John together with Morgan Hetrick. 1287 01:10:29,110 --> 01:10:32,430 A legitimate, by legitimate I mean a real smuggler. 1288 01:10:32,910 --> 01:10:35,930 Then they bring in the DEA. 1289 01:10:36,570 --> 01:10:39,290 And John Ballester becomes kind of a mafioso. 1290 01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:44,890 And what they finally came up with, so John would get his 10, 15, 20 million dollars. 1291 01:10:45,370 --> 01:10:46,730 Is they got him to put up... 1292 01:10:46,950 --> 01:10:47,950 Stock certificates. 1293 01:10:57,830 --> 01:11:03,754 John, with his lawyers, corporate lawyer, gives them worthless 1294 01:11:03,755 --> 01:11:07,330 DeLorean stock in a defunct company that had no assets. 1295 01:11:08,170 --> 01:11:09,250 Worthless papers. 1296 01:11:10,670 --> 01:11:14,170 And the con was reversed in John's mind. 1297 01:11:15,150 --> 01:11:16,730 So he's putting up zero. 1298 01:11:17,525 --> 01:11:20,410 Mr. Hetrick, the smuggler, goes and gets the cocaine. 1299 01:11:20,790 --> 01:11:22,410 And then they call DeLorean. 1300 01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:24,240 You still on the east coast? 1301 01:11:24,370 --> 01:11:26,450 I'm on the east coast and I can do anything you want. 1302 01:11:27,130 --> 01:11:34,050 It might be conducive to you being close by when this thing goes down. 1303 01:11:34,390 --> 01:11:37,270 And they say to him, come to Los Angeles. 1304 01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:39,230 We have 10 million dollars for you. 1305 01:11:39,250 --> 01:11:40,250 Come get your money. 1306 01:11:40,450 --> 01:11:44,010 Maybe we'll pop a bottle of champagne. 1307 01:11:44,011 --> 01:11:45,990 That would be wonderful. 1308 01:11:46,250 --> 01:11:47,530 Sit back and relax. 1309 01:11:51,890 --> 01:11:55,810 And DeLorean, who can only think about, I gotta get the money to the company, 1310 01:11:55,950 --> 01:11:56,950 comes to LA. 1311 01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:03,380 And the government picked him up, took him to a hotel room, 1312 01:12:03,381 --> 01:12:08,030 opened a bottle of champagne, toasted to their success. 1313 01:12:10,630 --> 01:12:15,410 And one of the agents said, John, here's the fruits of our efforts. 1314 01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:17,430 So John, what we're talking about... 1315 01:12:23,445 --> 01:12:28,180 And went to the closet, brought out the suitcase of cocaine and opened it up. 1316 01:12:28,500 --> 01:12:33,308 Between this and the other half, it's gonna generate 1317 01:12:33,348 --> 01:12:36,320 about four and a half, not less than four and a half mil. 1318 01:12:42,140 --> 01:12:43,520 This is better than gold. 1319 01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:46,240 Gold weighs more than that for God's sakes. 1320 01:12:48,100 --> 01:12:50,340 That's when DeLorean said, this is like gold. 1321 01:12:50,341 --> 01:12:51,341 Gold is better than gold. 1322 01:12:55,900 --> 01:12:57,600 Classic line on that tape. 1323 01:12:58,760 --> 01:12:59,760 Hi John. 1324 01:13:00,500 --> 01:13:01,500 Jerry West. 1325 01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:02,600 I'm with the FBI. 1326 01:13:03,780 --> 01:13:05,020 And then he was arrested. 1327 01:13:05,890 --> 01:13:08,260 So he wasn't gonna take the drugs. 1328 01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:10,620 He didn't get the ten million dollars. 1329 01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:13,260 And he never was supposed to take the drugs. 1330 01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:14,920 He was only supposed to get the money. 1331 01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:19,960 So why would they bring the drugs out and show them to him? 1332 01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:22,240 And the answer is pretty simple. 1333 01:13:22,260 --> 01:13:25,791 Well, if you're dealing with twelve lay people in a jury box, 1334 01:13:25,792 --> 01:13:28,420 you're gonna make them think this was all part of the deal. 1335 01:13:35,260 --> 01:13:37,900 John DeLorean says it's all in God's hands. 1336 01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:42,060 That was his reaction today when six men and six women began deliberating his case. 1337 01:13:42,450 --> 01:13:45,002 The jurors, who appeared relaxed when they arrived for court 1338 01:13:45,003 --> 01:13:47,860 today, began their deliberations shortly before 10 a.m. 1339 01:13:47,861 --> 01:13:48,861 Los Angeles time. 1340 01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:51,285 Outside court, John DeLorean's attorney, Howard 1341 01:13:51,286 --> 01:13:53,560 Weitzman, expressed the mood on the defense side. 1342 01:13:53,561 --> 01:13:57,980 This is a very difficult time when a case goes to the jury because you never really 1343 01:13:57,981 --> 01:14:01,060 know what they're thinking or what they're interested in. 1344 01:14:01,220 --> 01:14:05,960 These are very hard cases, and it requires a unanimous verdict. 1345 01:14:06,220 --> 01:14:10,360 If he got convicted, he would have received a pretty stiff prison sentence, 1346 01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:10,960 for sure. 1347 01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:15,140 And the government was very confident in their case. 1348 01:14:15,420 --> 01:14:19,260 Throughout the case, the DeLorean defense is hammered away at the tactics used by 1349 01:14:19,261 --> 01:14:22,140 federal agents in their undercover investigation of John DeLorean. 1350 01:14:22,141 --> 01:14:26,660 Weitzman asked for acquittal, saying the government is, in a sense, on trial here. 1351 01:14:27,125 --> 01:14:32,840 We did not believe there was an entrapment defense in this case. 1352 01:14:33,110 --> 01:14:34,660 That was a throwaway defense. 1353 01:14:35,500 --> 01:14:37,790 After the long trial, DeLorean's lawyer said 1354 01:14:37,791 --> 01:14:40,100 he'll be stunned whichever way the jury votes. 1355 01:14:40,380 --> 01:14:42,300 John DeLorean put it more simply. 1356 01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:43,520 John, how do you feel? 1357 01:14:44,180 --> 01:14:45,500 The hands of the Lord. 1358 01:15:04,350 --> 01:15:06,270 In the matter of the United States v. 1359 01:15:06,410 --> 01:15:07,010 John Z. 1360 01:15:07,050 --> 01:15:09,570 DeLorean, the jury finds the defendant... 1361 01:15:11,765 --> 01:15:13,230 not guilty on all eight counts. 1362 01:15:16,050 --> 01:15:17,310 Praise the Lord. 1363 01:15:57,770 --> 01:15:58,770 Come on, boys. 1364 01:15:59,310 --> 01:16:00,310 Back up. 1365 01:16:00,470 --> 01:16:01,110 Back up. 1366 01:16:01,170 --> 01:16:02,170 We got a guest. 1367 01:16:02,730 --> 01:16:03,730 Yeah! 1368 01:16:05,910 --> 01:16:06,910 What's up, buddy? 1369 01:16:06,970 --> 01:16:07,810 Oh, fucker. 1370 01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:08,880 There's water everywhere. 1371 01:16:09,630 --> 01:16:10,110 Sit. 1372 01:16:10,250 --> 01:16:11,250 You guys gonna chill? 1373 01:16:11,630 --> 01:16:11,870 Sit. 1374 01:16:12,450 --> 01:16:12,850 Uh... 1375 01:16:13,300 --> 01:16:14,970 Well, yeah, this is my, uh... 1376 01:16:15,430 --> 01:16:16,430 This is where I live. 1377 01:16:17,150 --> 01:16:18,350 You know, so... 1378 01:16:18,650 --> 01:16:20,530 It's just, it's a shitty little apartment. 1379 01:16:20,830 --> 01:16:22,870 You know, the paint's fucking peeling. 1380 01:16:23,620 --> 01:16:26,470 And if you find my housekeeper, tell her she's fired, because she doesn't 1381 01:16:26,471 --> 01:16:28,970 do a good job of cleaning the fucking place, but... 1382 01:16:29,370 --> 01:16:31,750 So it's kind of, you know, like, uh... 1383 01:16:31,900 --> 01:16:35,197 You guys, I don't know if you've seen the apartment or any of that stuff, but. 1384 01:16:35,780 --> 01:16:39,370 Some people know who I am and who my family is, and then they come over, 1385 01:16:39,550 --> 01:16:41,250 they're like, what the fuck? 1386 01:16:43,480 --> 01:16:46,571 You know, and even today, I'll see the car going down the 1387 01:16:46,631 --> 01:16:49,330 street, and I'm just like, it's just fucking weird, man. 1388 01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:53,810 For me, there's a lot behind the meaning of that car. 1389 01:16:53,930 --> 01:16:58,611 Not just my family name on it, but what that fucking car did to our family. 1390 01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:01,344 Are you surprised that, um, a feature film 1391 01:17:01,345 --> 01:17:03,370 hasn't been made about your dad and his life? 1392 01:17:03,890 --> 01:17:04,890 Yeah. 1393 01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:05,750 Yeah. 1394 01:17:06,250 --> 01:17:07,350 I mean, it's got all the good shit in it. 1395 01:17:07,351 --> 01:17:08,351 It's got cocaine. 1396 01:17:08,450 --> 01:17:10,110 It's got fucking hot chicks. 1397 01:17:10,210 --> 01:17:11,210 It's got sports cars. 1398 01:17:11,310 --> 01:17:15,970 It's got fucking, you know, war-torn, you know, bombed-out buildings overseas. 1399 01:17:16,250 --> 01:17:19,530 It's got fucking Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan, the war on drugs. 1400 01:17:19,570 --> 01:17:21,590 You got FBI agents. 1401 01:17:21,690 --> 01:17:24,630 You got, you know, fucking hardcore drug dealers. 1402 01:17:25,630 --> 01:17:26,630 But... 1403 01:17:29,370 --> 01:17:31,360 my fear with Hollywood... 1404 01:17:32,510 --> 01:17:37,420 is they're gonna end it with him coming out of the courthouse with Christina. 1405 01:17:38,490 --> 01:17:39,500 Woo-hoo, fucking acquittal. 1406 01:17:39,501 --> 01:17:40,080 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1407 01:17:40,180 --> 01:17:41,180 Fucking credits. 1408 01:17:41,440 --> 01:17:42,440 You know? 1409 01:17:42,780 --> 01:17:47,500 While that coming-out-of-the-courthouse, you know, ticker-tape parade shit is real, 1410 01:17:49,610 --> 01:17:50,610 look at what it cost him. 1411 01:17:52,070 --> 01:17:53,620 The sting operation fell through. 1412 01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:54,800 You were acquitted. 1413 01:17:54,860 --> 01:17:58,384 Um, your wife Christina stood by you throughout the entire 1414 01:17:58,404 --> 01:18:02,700 trial, and then, not but several weeks later, left you. 1415 01:18:02,900 --> 01:18:03,900 Several days later. 1416 01:18:04,620 --> 01:18:05,100 Ah. 1417 01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:08,421 You claim to have been shocked that your wife Christina 1418 01:18:08,422 --> 01:18:11,360 announced her intentions to divorce you shortly after the trial. 1419 01:18:12,115 --> 01:18:17,700 She appeared on this program, spoke of you in the most wifely of terms. 1420 01:18:17,980 --> 01:18:18,980 Here's what she said. 1421 01:18:19,100 --> 01:18:20,900 You can't make a judgment right now. 1422 01:18:20,980 --> 01:18:21,560 It's not fair. 1423 01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:25,700 It's not fair for John, and it's not fair for you either, because if you were in a 1424 01:18:25,701 --> 01:18:29,040 situation like this or any one of your loved ones, you will find yourself 1425 01:18:29,041 --> 01:18:32,020 defending them as ardently as I'm doing with John. 1426 01:18:33,450 --> 01:18:36,140 That must make you feel, at the very least, mixed with that. 1427 01:18:36,340 --> 01:18:37,380 It makes you cry, does it? 1428 01:18:37,450 --> 01:18:39,280 Yeah, it's pretty painful. 1429 01:18:40,370 --> 01:18:45,020 At the time, if I was my mom, the carpet just got pulled out from underneath me. 1430 01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:46,700 She's 31 years old, man. 1431 01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:52,080 She's still got another 8, 9, 10, 12 years of being top dog, and that whole 1432 01:18:52,081 --> 01:18:54,220 fucking career pulled out from underneath you. 1433 01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:55,980 Your whole career has fallen apart. 1434 01:18:56,670 --> 01:18:58,620 I was at the top of my modeling profession. 1435 01:18:58,780 --> 01:19:00,860 I've been doing it for 20 years. 1436 01:19:01,030 --> 01:19:04,360 The last 15 years, I've been at the very top of it, commanding top money, 1437 01:19:04,460 --> 01:19:10,100 and this is July, and since January, I've had one booking, and I've made $105. 1438 01:19:10,965 --> 01:19:13,360 No one will have anything to do with me or my name. 1439 01:19:13,660 --> 01:19:14,660 Not at all. 1440 01:19:16,815 --> 01:19:22,660 I try not to ask my mom about my dad, not because I think that she doesn't have 1441 01:19:22,661 --> 01:19:30,661 any good memories, more because, again, I don't want to draw up any painful ones. 1442 01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:35,745 It was terrible and tragic, what she had to go through, 1443 01:19:35,746 --> 01:19:38,540 so she had to do something different with her life. 1444 01:19:38,620 --> 01:19:39,940 She had to leave all that behind. 1445 01:19:40,260 --> 01:19:43,120 Shortly after all of that, she had her show, AMLA. 1446 01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:44,960 She defined who she was. 1447 01:19:45,770 --> 01:19:48,500 She rebuilt her life, and she rebuilt it in a fantastic way. 1448 01:19:49,610 --> 01:19:50,360 And credit to her. 1449 01:19:50,420 --> 01:19:50,820 I get it. 1450 01:19:50,860 --> 01:19:51,620 I understand it. 1451 01:19:51,780 --> 01:19:55,287 That, you know, you're trying to keep a roof and 1452 01:19:55,288 --> 01:19:58,541 keep a normal, stable household for your kids. 1453 01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:01,440 Guess what? 1454 01:20:01,700 --> 01:20:02,700 It's fucking gone. 1455 01:20:04,750 --> 01:20:09,760 Stability and sanity left the fucking house two years ago when he got arrested. 1456 01:20:12,510 --> 01:20:16,620 I had to do an art project for school, and we had to do appropriation. 1457 01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:19,800 So I appropriated this painting. 1458 01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:24,140 And on this side, there's photographs of everything perfect. 1459 01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:30,198 And as it goes on, I started to put in the articles 1460 01:20:30,199 --> 01:20:34,620 from this perfect life to this destroyed life. 1461 01:20:34,780 --> 01:20:38,020 And on the bumper, it says, destroy my childhood for DMC. 1462 01:20:43,550 --> 01:20:44,280 All right, Matt, you good? 1463 01:20:44,460 --> 01:20:45,060 Uh, yes. 1464 01:20:45,480 --> 01:20:46,840 You got any last looks on that? 1465 01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:47,660 Uh, yes. 1466 01:20:47,700 --> 01:20:48,700 We're ready to go. 1467 01:20:48,780 --> 01:20:49,140 That's fine. 1468 01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:49,440 Let's go. 1469 01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:50,560 Let's shoot it. 1470 01:20:51,140 --> 01:20:55,260 I'd love to figure out what's the actual turning point? 1471 01:20:56,340 --> 01:20:59,064 When does DeLorean get to a point where he could 1472 01:20:59,065 --> 01:21:02,201 have turned back and maybe avoided everything? 1473 01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:07,580 And whether he went on to complete the car project or not, he would have lived to 1474 01:21:07,581 --> 01:21:11,720 fight another battle, you know, or try another iteration of all that, 1475 01:21:12,630 --> 01:21:14,750 and probably succeeded because he's a very clever guy. 1476 01:21:15,220 --> 01:21:18,140 What's that moment where you sit there and go, too late? 1477 01:21:19,140 --> 01:21:20,340 Is it the cocaine deal itself? 1478 01:21:20,480 --> 01:21:21,540 Is it before that? 1479 01:21:22,650 --> 01:21:23,650 Is it a series of things? 1480 01:21:24,440 --> 01:21:27,100 Is it a period of time where he's doing a few things? 1481 01:21:27,140 --> 01:21:31,440 When does John put all the chips on the table and he loses? 1482 01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:41,020 I saw the drug trial as a sideshow. 1483 01:21:41,220 --> 01:21:47,920 To me, much more substantial was how DeLorean was handling the money that he 1484 01:21:47,921 --> 01:21:50,560 had gotten to build the car in Northern Ireland. 1485 01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:54,535 Every piece of paper tells a story of what 1486 01:21:54,536 --> 01:21:57,040 people were doing and how they were doing it. 1487 01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:59,203 Well, this transaction happened before this 1488 01:21:59,204 --> 01:22:01,140 transaction, and that led to this transaction. 1489 01:22:01,650 --> 01:22:05,880 I was brought in to analyze the affairs of DeLorean Motor Company and go deep into 1490 01:22:05,881 --> 01:22:08,600 its affairs, its activities, and its transactions. 1491 01:22:09,440 --> 01:22:12,680 We didn't really understand it at first, but it turned out to be the critical 1492 01:22:12,681 --> 01:22:15,160 moment in untangling the affairs of John DeLorean. 1493 01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:19,780 And as it became clear, you start to see yet again another side of John. 1494 01:22:21,620 --> 01:22:25,300 When the company was developing, in those heady days of excitement and 1495 01:22:25,301 --> 01:22:29,040 energy around the company, around John, investors all wanted to get a piece of it. 1496 01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:33,260 You know, in trying to raise all the capital, John was really selling himself. 1497 01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:34,700 He was selling his image. 1498 01:22:35,180 --> 01:22:37,020 You know, the slogan, live the dream. 1499 01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:40,720 That's what people were supposedly buying into when they invested in his company. 1500 01:22:41,220 --> 01:22:44,120 And John, sensing that interest and wanting to raise money if it was 1501 01:22:44,121 --> 01:22:48,880 available, was able to raise $17.5 million for the development of the vehicle. 1502 01:22:49,635 --> 01:22:52,940 But as it turns out, the British government had also put up enough money by 1503 01:22:52,941 --> 01:22:55,256 then that their funds were actually being used 1504 01:22:55,257 --> 01:22:57,240 to pay for the development of the vehicle. 1505 01:22:57,730 --> 01:23:00,200 And therefore, this money wasn't needed so much at that point. 1506 01:23:00,580 --> 01:23:04,160 And John, seeing this pot of money, couldn't resist. 1507 01:23:04,440 --> 01:23:06,506 Federal investigators and bankruptcy lawyers say 1508 01:23:06,507 --> 01:23:09,300 they have uncovered another secret DeLorean deal. 1509 01:23:09,500 --> 01:23:11,490 This one arranged at a hotel in Geneva, 1510 01:23:11,491 --> 01:23:15,221 Switzerland, long before the alleged drug deal. 1511 01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:21,140 A deal had been struck in Switzerland with Colin Chapman, the chairman of Lotus, 1512 01:23:21,530 --> 01:23:26,000 and the mysterious organization called GPD Services. 1513 01:23:27,275 --> 01:23:31,500 And what's interesting becomes very clear that Bill Collins was onto something 1514 01:23:31,501 --> 01:23:35,320 several years earlier when he was analyzing the DeLorean-Lotus agreement. 1515 01:23:35,940 --> 01:23:40,280 When I looked at the numbers that they put together, I said to John, what's the deal? 1516 01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:42,080 GPD? 1517 01:23:42,460 --> 01:23:43,380 I've never even heard of it. 1518 01:23:43,460 --> 01:23:45,980 It just seems like you're paying twice for the same thing, John. 1519 01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:49,700 Obviously, looking back on it now, there were things going on behind the scene. 1520 01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:55,820 John and Chapman were trying to figure out the game they were playing with GPD and 1521 01:23:55,821 --> 01:23:59,780 trying to get various arrangements put together. 1522 01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,400 In the scene we shot yesterday, he hangs up with Collins. 1523 01:24:03,401 --> 01:24:07,413 And everybody who's good, they've all got to go, you 1524 01:24:07,414 --> 01:24:10,660 know, because their goodness becomes useless to John. 1525 01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:13,160 You know, they just don't do me any good. 1526 01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:16,098 But apart from denying that he had any of the GPD 1527 01:24:16,099 --> 01:24:19,100 money, John DeLorean is reluctant to discuss GPD. 1528 01:24:19,480 --> 01:24:23,500 Can you give an answer now to those allegations about the missing $70 million? 1529 01:24:28,140 --> 01:24:30,683 So now, we fast forward into the investigation 1530 01:24:30,695 --> 01:24:32,760 and we start peeling back the layers. 1531 01:24:32,761 --> 01:24:33,761 GPD. 1532 01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:38,554 GPD is supposedly this middleman company to 1533 01:24:38,555 --> 01:24:43,001 deliver certain other engineering services. 1534 01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:48,100 In truth, it had no other engineers. 1535 01:24:48,340 --> 01:24:52,280 It had no facilities to deliver these engineering services. 1536 01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:55,380 GPD was a mailbox. 1537 01:24:56,170 --> 01:24:58,360 GPD is a phony, a shell company. 1538 01:24:58,480 --> 01:25:00,419 Nothing more than a post office box in a 1539 01:25:00,420 --> 01:25:02,680 neighborhood branch of the Geneva Post Office. 1540 01:25:02,681 --> 01:25:04,200 Post Office Box 33. 1541 01:25:06,010 --> 01:25:11,580 It turns out, John made a deal with Colin Chapman at Lotus Cars that he would send 1542 01:25:11,581 --> 01:25:16,740 this $17.5 million from investors into GPD, and then Colin took the money from 1543 01:25:16,741 --> 01:25:20,720 there, funneled it into European bank accounts, split it with John. 1544 01:25:21,345 --> 01:25:25,040 John then maneuvered that money back to his own accounts in the United States, 1545 01:25:25,610 --> 01:25:28,520 therefore converting the investor money into his own money. 1546 01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:35,480 I think there's a real fascinating allegory here. 1547 01:25:35,830 --> 01:25:37,960 You did sell your soul, John DeLorean. 1548 01:25:38,310 --> 01:25:42,440 You sold it for the greater glory of John DeLorean who was going to whip General 1549 01:25:42,441 --> 01:25:43,925 Motors and all these multibillion-dollar 1550 01:25:43,926 --> 01:25:46,741 multinational companies with your own dream car. 1551 01:25:46,930 --> 01:25:51,060 And in that vision, not only did you jeopardize the well-being of your family, 1552 01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:54,760 you've risked yourself for a jail term, got off because the government blew it. 1553 01:25:54,940 --> 01:26:00,540 Now we have other indictments which indicate that it's possible that your 1554 01:26:00,541 --> 01:26:04,484 fatigue and your egomania forced you to use money for your 1555 01:26:04,485 --> 01:26:07,380 own purpose rather than the original intent of the investors. 1556 01:26:07,910 --> 01:26:10,732 That's what seems to be most apparent to anybody who 1557 01:26:10,733 --> 01:26:13,241 gives a cursory review of the evidence in this case. 1558 01:26:13,620 --> 01:26:18,900 Well, as I said early on, I think that we will prove conclusively that every single 1559 01:26:18,901 --> 01:26:21,586 cent was legitimately and honestly come by 1560 01:26:21,587 --> 01:26:25,461 and that all these charges are totally false. 1561 01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:33,580 So as these questions are being brought up and John is preparing to have to answer 1562 01:26:33,581 --> 01:26:36,466 these questions, he needed to show some sort 1563 01:26:36,467 --> 01:26:39,100 of proof that made the deal not look shady. 1564 01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:45,040 And that proof was actually a loan letter from GPD Services and a paper trail that 1565 01:26:45,041 --> 01:26:48,027 GPD Services was a loan to him and that he still had 1566 01:26:48,028 --> 01:26:50,721 several years before he had to pay back that loan. 1567 01:26:51,310 --> 01:26:56,520 He puts together these documents that only he and one other person would be privy to 1568 01:26:56,770 --> 01:26:58,420 and that being Colin Chapman from Lotus. 1569 01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:01,740 Well, several years earlier, Colin Chapman dropped dead. 1570 01:27:01,741 --> 01:27:03,020 Of a heart attack. 1571 01:27:03,445 --> 01:27:07,900 And the only other person in, you know, this little transaction was John. 1572 01:27:08,660 --> 01:27:11,780 So while I was busy studying the records and looking at financial transactions, 1573 01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:15,020 the lawyers were busy talking to Christina Farrar. 1574 01:27:15,440 --> 01:27:23,180 Christina testified under oath that she saw John working in a large closet with 1575 01:27:23,430 --> 01:27:27,728 latex gloves on, signing documents, backdating 1576 01:27:27,729 --> 01:27:31,000 them, and then aging the documents under a sun lamp. 1577 01:27:31,150 --> 01:27:34,320 So when the documents would be forensically examined later on, 1578 01:27:34,650 --> 01:27:37,540 his fingerprints wouldn't be on it, his skin oil wouldn't be on it, 1579 01:27:37,905 --> 01:27:40,156 and of course the paper would have aged under the sun lamp. 1580 01:27:40,180 --> 01:27:42,280 And she testified that she saw him do that. 1581 01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:46,560 So John was very busy creating a set of documents in the dark of night, 1582 01:27:46,910 --> 01:27:48,960 but his wife was watching him. 1583 01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:56,500 After reviewing the records, there came a time when the trial started to recover 1584 01:27:56,501 --> 01:27:58,880 this money that John had taken from the company. 1585 01:27:59,140 --> 01:28:01,952 And I started to really get a good look at John 1586 01:28:01,953 --> 01:28:04,260 as a person and the true nature of his character. 1587 01:28:04,605 --> 01:28:08,380 So he walks in court one day, and then he looks at me and he says, I was on the 1588 01:28:08,381 --> 01:28:11,200 radio this morning, I was talking about you and your testimony. 1589 01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:13,560 He goes, but I'm not sure I got your name right. 1590 01:28:13,930 --> 01:28:16,280 He said, is there one ancient shithead or two? 1591 01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:18,560 And I said, wow. 1592 01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:22,700 But by then, I also realized we had him. 1593 01:28:23,210 --> 01:28:26,000 In other words, he was acting out because we knew we had him. 1594 01:28:26,130 --> 01:28:31,280 Between us having the financial evidence and Christina willing to testify that John 1595 01:28:31,281 --> 01:28:35,360 had been forging documents and aging documents, John needed to settle that 1596 01:28:35,361 --> 01:28:38,424 case, actually cough up the money that had been 1597 01:28:38,425 --> 01:28:41,341 stolen from the investors in the DeLorean partnership. 1598 01:28:41,580 --> 01:28:44,480 Would you deny, therefore, that you had any of that $17 million? 1599 01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:45,920 Excuse me a minute. 1600 01:28:45,980 --> 01:28:46,980 I'll have you a drink. 1601 01:28:47,620 --> 01:28:49,365 John DeLorean was not prepared to answer any 1602 01:28:49,366 --> 01:28:52,620 further questions about the missing $17.6 million. 1603 01:29:00,110 --> 01:29:04,310 The drug trial, John really could grasp onto that idea of I was the victim. 1604 01:29:04,311 --> 01:29:05,390 You know? 1605 01:29:05,750 --> 01:29:10,590 I got sucked into a situation of overzealous people, overzealous government 1606 01:29:10,591 --> 01:29:13,490 that was trying to take me down as a legitimate business owner. 1607 01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:19,070 In the case of the money trials, it's very hard to take the approach that 1608 01:29:19,220 --> 01:29:22,170 he was the victim because all of it was his own doing. 1609 01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:26,830 You start to see, you know, this real true character, this underlying nature of John, 1610 01:29:26,990 --> 01:29:30,570 not the public persona that he had worked so hard to cultivate for years. 1611 01:29:31,190 --> 01:29:34,978 He had built this giant bubble of an image, making 1612 01:29:34,979 --> 01:29:37,831 him believe he could kind of get away with anything. 1613 01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:43,210 This was not the little guy fighting the Goliath like GM. 1614 01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:49,450 This instead was someone in his business dealings who acted like the Goliath and 1615 01:29:49,451 --> 01:29:55,950 trampled on other people's dreams and really hurt some individuals very badly. 1616 01:29:56,470 --> 01:29:59,937 I'm not a psychiatrist, but I think that he was okay 1617 01:29:59,938 --> 01:30:03,150 in the beginning and I think he just got carried away. 1618 01:30:04,350 --> 01:30:06,990 I think that he could have saved it if he'd had the right attitude. 1619 01:30:07,570 --> 01:30:10,367 But I think he thought it was more important 1620 01:30:10,379 --> 01:30:12,751 to make a buck than to be successful. 1621 01:30:13,900 --> 01:30:18,130 That is part of the real tragedy in going back to the what ifs. 1622 01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:23,530 You know, what if John and Colin Hatton embezzled that money and he had still had 1623 01:30:23,531 --> 01:30:28,270 $17.5 million at the time when he needed desperately cash to keep the company open. 1624 01:30:28,850 --> 01:30:32,581 By stealing that money, John really painted himself into 1625 01:30:32,582 --> 01:30:35,230 a corner and he had to find the money somewhere else. 1626 01:30:35,615 --> 01:30:38,710 And to think if he could have only held on for a few more years. 1627 01:30:52,860 --> 01:30:53,860 Doc! 1628 01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:55,640 Marty! 1629 01:30:55,820 --> 01:30:56,820 You made it! 1630 01:30:56,920 --> 01:30:57,000 Yeah! 1631 01:30:57,620 --> 01:30:58,980 Welcome to my latest experiment. 1632 01:30:59,140 --> 01:31:01,540 This is a big one, the one I've been waiting for all my life. 1633 01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:03,300 Ah, well, it's a DeLorean, right? 1634 01:31:03,301 --> 01:31:03,860 Share with me, Marty. 1635 01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:05,076 All your questions will be answered. 1636 01:31:05,100 --> 01:31:06,100 Roll tape. 1637 01:31:06,390 --> 01:31:09,157 When Bob Zemeckis and I first wrote Back to the 1638 01:31:09,158 --> 01:31:12,041 Future, the time machine was a refrigerator. 1639 01:31:12,700 --> 01:31:17,208 And... Bob Zemeckis, the director, said, wouldn't it be 1640 01:31:17,209 --> 01:31:21,480 simpler if Doc actually built the time machine into a car? 1641 01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:25,220 And then he says, and what if the car was a DeLorean? 1642 01:31:26,060 --> 01:31:28,876 You know, it wasn't my idea, but I know a damn good idea when I hear one. 1643 01:31:28,900 --> 01:31:30,000 This was a damn good idea. 1644 01:31:30,695 --> 01:31:31,960 So I said, yeah, that's great. 1645 01:31:32,365 --> 01:31:37,100 When this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you're gonna see some serious shit. 1646 01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:47,013 We... I think did a great job in making the DeLorean glamorous 1647 01:31:47,014 --> 01:31:52,740 and endearing it to generations of movie fans and car fans. 1648 01:31:53,480 --> 01:31:56,180 88 miles per hour! 1649 01:31:56,620 --> 01:32:01,560 If only we'd stayed alive and we'd continued for another two years. 1650 01:32:02,670 --> 01:32:05,240 You can't buy that publicity now, can you? 1651 01:32:06,740 --> 01:32:11,240 Back to the Future makes the car and the man truly immortal. 1652 01:32:12,450 --> 01:32:15,460 100 years from now, people will watch that movie. 1653 01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:22,140 And the last running DeLorean may have consumed its last drop of fuel and eaten 1654 01:32:22,141 --> 01:32:24,860 its last piston, but that movie will carry on. 1655 01:32:26,930 --> 01:32:30,980 After the movie came out, about two or three weeks later, we got one of the best 1656 01:32:30,981 --> 01:32:33,360 fan letters we ever got, and it was from John DeLorean. 1657 01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:38,436 He said that he'd just seen the movie, he thought it was 1658 01:32:38,456 --> 01:32:41,420 brilliant, and he said, thank you for keeping my dream alive. 1659 01:32:45,410 --> 01:32:51,420 You know, back in a time when I was led to believe films about him were 1660 01:32:54,580 --> 01:32:55,580 percolating, you know, 1661 01:33:00,620 --> 01:33:05,050 I get a phone call, and it was DeLorean. 1662 01:33:08,365 --> 01:33:11,251 And I have to imagine he was probably out of the 1663 01:33:11,252 --> 01:33:13,450 house, the big house and living in this apartment. 1664 01:33:13,451 --> 01:33:15,670 You know, the scene that they were gonna shoot today. 1665 01:33:16,330 --> 01:33:19,343 Yeah, I was on the phone with him, and he was 1666 01:33:19,344 --> 01:33:21,911 like, Alex, this is John DeLorean calling. 1667 01:33:22,270 --> 01:33:23,270 He's very old. 1668 01:33:23,350 --> 01:33:24,350 He sounded older. 1669 01:33:24,905 --> 01:33:31,970 He said, I understand they're making this motion picture about me, and I would be 1670 01:33:31,971 --> 01:33:35,350 very flattered if you were to portray me in the movie. 1671 01:33:36,380 --> 01:33:38,270 I thought, wow. 1672 01:33:38,770 --> 01:33:40,810 I mean, to have the guy who's the real guy pick you. 1673 01:33:41,870 --> 01:33:42,870 And... 1674 01:33:43,450 --> 01:33:44,450 And then it went away. 1675 01:33:44,870 --> 01:33:46,650 And I never heard from him again. 1676 01:33:47,550 --> 01:33:48,550 But... 1677 01:33:49,130 --> 01:33:52,430 I mean, to me, DeLorean is a lot of things. 1678 01:33:52,470 --> 01:33:54,550 Every day you... I think about, who is he? 1679 01:33:54,930 --> 01:33:56,010 I have a different answer. 1680 01:33:56,960 --> 01:34:01,890 You know, today, my attitude about DeLorean, you watch historical footage and 1681 01:34:01,891 --> 01:34:04,337 you get kind of inflamed because you see that 1682 01:34:04,338 --> 01:34:06,350 he did a lot of bad things to some people. 1683 01:34:06,670 --> 01:34:07,790 And he hurt a lot of people. 1684 01:34:08,050 --> 01:34:09,310 And he stole from people. 1685 01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:16,350 And at the same time, I feel like he was somebody who... 1686 01:34:16,500 --> 01:34:17,170 He just... 1687 01:34:17,270 --> 01:34:21,730 Like a lot of great American stories, he just perverted some dream that he had. 1688 01:34:25,010 --> 01:34:26,890 You remember the DMC, don't you? 1689 01:34:27,170 --> 01:34:28,170 Yeah? 1690 01:34:29,925 --> 01:34:30,750 How could you forget it? 1691 01:34:30,870 --> 01:34:31,290 Right? 1692 01:34:31,370 --> 01:34:32,370 It was one of a kind. 1693 01:34:33,970 --> 01:34:35,570 It really was one of a kind. 1694 01:34:36,300 --> 01:34:39,856 As full as John's life was those first 60 years, 1695 01:34:39,857 --> 01:34:42,950 the last 20 years are actually more simple. 1696 01:34:43,450 --> 01:34:48,690 This is one of John's Bibles, which he actually gave to his nephew, Mark. 1697 01:34:49,530 --> 01:34:50,930 He became a born-again Christian. 1698 01:34:51,430 --> 01:34:53,650 It was a very important part of his life. 1699 01:34:53,810 --> 01:34:57,730 He dated several women throughout the years and then ended up remarrying late in life. 1700 01:34:58,330 --> 01:35:02,530 And then in 2000, had to declare bankruptcy in which he lost his Bedminster 1701 01:35:02,531 --> 01:35:06,350 estate and lived the last five years of his life in a one-bedroom apartment. 1702 01:35:07,740 --> 01:35:10,540 His whole fucking life, his whole dream, everything that he worked for, 1703 01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:14,930 from the time they broke ground till the time of the arrest, gone. 1704 01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:23,020 Was it a blow to your pride, to you trying to shake your life again? 1705 01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:26,080 Well, I felt terrible about it for a long time. 1706 01:35:26,220 --> 01:35:28,860 I felt terrible for my children, who've had a... 1707 01:35:28,861 --> 01:35:31,920 This has been an extremely difficult thing for them. 1708 01:35:32,380 --> 01:35:34,360 But, you know, life is life. 1709 01:35:34,440 --> 01:35:35,440 It goes on. 1710 01:35:36,480 --> 01:35:38,840 Your father is shamed and goes to jail. 1711 01:35:39,020 --> 01:35:40,540 Your family loses all their money. 1712 01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:41,720 Your parents get divorced. 1713 01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:43,620 Everything in your world changes. 1714 01:35:43,621 --> 01:35:50,200 And for the next 15 years of your life, you get chased by, is your father in jail, 1715 01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:54,980 and cocaine jokes, and all of these things that just followed along with it. 1716 01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:59,040 My entire life, I had to live it down. 1717 01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:02,480 It was... It followed me for a very long time. 1718 01:36:03,150 --> 01:36:09,540 It followed me around until I started to get involved into the DeLorean community. 1719 01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:15,960 People used to invite my dad to all these car shows all the time. 1720 01:36:16,395 --> 01:36:20,120 And I asked him, I said, Dad, Dad, let's go. 1721 01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:22,460 You have to experience this. 1722 01:36:25,110 --> 01:36:29,560 Knowing how much he was still loved would definitely make a difference in his life. 1723 01:36:33,100 --> 01:36:35,020 It was an amazing experience. 1724 01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:38,420 It was... It was everything I hoped it would be, and then some. 1725 01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:39,020 I just met John C. 1726 01:36:39,060 --> 01:36:40,080 DeLorean for the third time. 1727 01:36:40,100 --> 01:36:41,100 You can document that. 1728 01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:42,860 The man is unbelievable. 1729 01:36:44,900 --> 01:36:50,960 He really did get to bask in his glory a little bit again. 1730 01:36:55,040 --> 01:36:57,560 Do you consider the whole DeLorean dream to have been a failure? 1731 01:36:57,810 --> 01:37:02,400 Oh, I think that I showed a lot of people that whether, you know, you survive or 1732 01:37:02,401 --> 01:37:04,879 not, the key is, it's like Shakespeare said, it's better 1733 01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:07,041 to have loved and lost than not to have loved at all. 1734 01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:09,160 I gave it the best shot I had. 1735 01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:10,660 I tried as hard as I could. 1736 01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:13,600 And I think that I did really well. 1737 01:37:13,620 --> 01:37:14,300 I did reasonably well. 1738 01:37:14,460 --> 01:37:17,620 I think DeLorean was very much alone. 1739 01:37:18,120 --> 01:37:23,340 Part of the fallout from compartmentalizing his life the way he did 1740 01:37:24,610 --> 01:37:30,160 is that he really didn't have anybody who knew him through and through. 1741 01:37:31,380 --> 01:37:35,706 This is not a man who's looking at his family life 1742 01:37:35,707 --> 01:37:39,160 or his friends to qualify his reason for living. 1743 01:37:39,460 --> 01:37:41,100 It's, what have I accomplished? 1744 01:37:41,300 --> 01:37:41,980 What have I done? 1745 01:37:41,981 --> 01:37:43,160 What am I doing next? 1746 01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:49,160 That in his mind, this is what really reflects on him as a human being. 1747 01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:52,848 When we come around here, what I'd like to do is repeat this 1748 01:37:52,849 --> 01:37:55,561 action and just put this down here and then look up at the car. 1749 01:37:55,700 --> 01:37:58,400 And I want to say something very specific to him about the car. 1750 01:37:59,080 --> 01:38:01,880 No film can tell the definitive story of anybody's life. 1751 01:38:02,100 --> 01:38:06,720 Anyone's life is just too vast and complex for one film. 1752 01:38:07,370 --> 01:38:11,520 But a film could certainly create the legend of John DeLorean. 1753 01:38:11,980 --> 01:38:14,600 And we print the legend. 1754 01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:16,280 The legend is what we love. 1755 01:38:16,900 --> 01:38:18,280 That's what we should have. 1756 01:38:21,220 --> 01:38:25,560 Let's just hypothetically say that when he went into the hotel that night, 1757 01:38:26,020 --> 01:38:28,780 he knew he was walking out with a suitcase full of cocaine. 1758 01:38:29,660 --> 01:38:31,760 I can't necessarily blame him. 1759 01:38:33,340 --> 01:38:38,260 How far would you be willing to go to save something you worked your whole life for, 1760 01:38:38,385 --> 01:38:39,385 your life's dream? 1761 01:38:39,535 --> 01:38:42,820 What would you do to see that succeed no matter what? 1762 01:38:46,830 --> 01:38:48,210 He always kept trying. 1763 01:38:48,670 --> 01:38:51,470 He never gave up the dream. 1764 01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:56,250 He never quit believing that there was a potential for him to recover. 1765 01:38:56,430 --> 01:38:58,490 That he was going to invent the next great thing. 1766 01:38:58,630 --> 01:39:01,350 That he was going to be able to reclaim his former glory. 1767 01:39:01,820 --> 01:39:03,050 He was John DeLorean. 1768 01:39:03,455 --> 01:39:05,690 And he was John DeLorean until the day he died. 1769 01:39:06,470 --> 01:39:10,110 I think he was still trying to make fucking deals on that DMC2. 1770 01:39:10,111 --> 01:39:11,610 When he got the heart attack. 1771 01:39:13,740 --> 01:39:15,890 And I think that would be a good way to end the movie. 1772 01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:23,270 You could have him on the phone eating some breakfast with an open notebook thing 1773 01:39:23,271 --> 01:39:27,130 that you would show investors with all the nice little pictures and stuff. 1774 01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:31,890 Talking on the phone and then it just fades to black because then that last 1775 01:39:31,891 --> 01:39:34,790 image would just be him working to get that deal done. 1776 01:39:35,830 --> 01:39:36,910 And he just fucking... 1777 01:39:37,900 --> 01:39:39,490 God pulled the plug on his ass, man. 1778 01:39:40,210 --> 01:39:41,250 You're out of here, buddy. 1779 01:39:41,510 --> 01:39:42,510 You know? 1780 01:39:43,565 --> 01:39:47,470 Then, you know, it just goes black and then John DeLorean died in Morristown, 1781 01:39:47,610 --> 01:39:50,710 New Jersey at fucking 80 years old on this date. 1782 01:39:50,830 --> 01:39:51,250 You know? 1783 01:39:51,480 --> 01:39:55,910 Never to have fulfilled another car company, built another car company. 1784 01:39:56,610 --> 01:39:58,590 And, you know, I'd be okay with that. 1785 01:39:58,630 --> 01:39:59,630 That's good. 1786 01:39:59,790 --> 01:40:00,330 That's a pop. 1787 01:40:00,570 --> 01:40:01,930 Scene 28 alpha, take two. 1788 01:40:03,250 --> 01:40:04,250 Great, thank you. 1789 01:40:08,730 --> 01:40:09,730 Action. 1790 01:44:03,650 --> 01:44:06,790 I mean, if we can't get the money to distribute this movie, would we sell 1791 01:44:06,791 --> 01:44:08,551 cocaine to try to get this movie distributed? 1792 01:44:08,630 --> 01:44:08,870 Sure. 1793 01:44:09,150 --> 01:44:10,310 We don't want to lose either. 1794 01:44:11,430 --> 01:44:12,590 I'm counting on you, Shannon. 154819

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