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Okay, John, can
you hear me all right?
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Yes, sir.
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I'll be talking to you over this
intercom when I'm out here.
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I'm going to pump
up that cuff now.
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Okay.
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The test is about to begin.
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Is your first name John?
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Yes.
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During the first 53
years of your life, did you
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ever do anything
dishonest, illegal, or immoral?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Before 1981, did you ever engage in
an improper business practice or put false
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information on an
official form or document?
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Yes.
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Before age 54, did you
ever cheat someone or
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take advantage of
anyone in a business deal?
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Yes, I would say.
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Okay, John, how
was it that time?
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A little nervous?
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Well, when you get into those general
questions, you start thinking back about
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bad used cars you sold people, about maybe
the time you committed a little adultery.
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I must say that if you really get...
It causes you to think back a lot.
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Well, you go through
your whole life.
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John DeLorean is one of the
maverick rogues of his day.
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And there are very few
of those guys around.
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He was a dreamer who wanted to push things
beyond where other people had taken them.
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And in a way, that's a marvelous
and appealing characteristic.
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But it's also
extremely dangerous.
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John DeLorean was a winner, a
loser, a champion, a relentless fool.
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This guy was the quintessential leading
man that Hollywood producers dream of.
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And he was real.
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I've always wondered why a
feature film has to be a dream.
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It hasn't been
made of John's life.
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I think it would
be a great movie.
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Obviously, I'd had this dream.
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I wanted to build this
automobile company.
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Everybody said it's inconceivable that
any new automobile company could survive.
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I'm always interested in the story of the
quintessential outsider, full of ambition
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and hope, and works his way up,
in a sense, to the position he was in.
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He had it all, his own auto
empire, a beautiful wife, children.
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He was a golden boy.
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And, of course, his colossal
fall is almost Shakespearean.
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John DeLorean, who gave up a shot at the
presidency of General Motors to build his
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own futuristic sports
car, is in jail this morning.
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The thing that's remarkable
about DeLorean's story is
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that it has all of these
incredibly powerful elements.
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It's got a marvelous
celebrity couple.
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It's got drugs.
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It's got drug dealing.
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It's got FBI guys.
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It's got this incredible
political backdrop.
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It's the sort of story
that, you know, if it
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hadn't happened, you
wouldn't dare to make it up.
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All of a sudden now, a
number of people have
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been back at me wanting
to do a movie of my life.
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It had always seemed to
be a story that had been
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around Hollywood as early
as probably the early 80s.
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Often good ideas, you know,
produce several films at the same time.
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With John DeLorean, I think
it was taken to a new level.
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Every single one of these movies
had different people from John's life,
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different family members,
different underlying
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material, which made
it this fascinating...
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race to get the movie
made because each one
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would have been a
decidedly different story.
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Still to this day, not
one's been made yet.
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Every so often you hear, oh, somebody's
going to make a movie about DeLorean.
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Somebody's going to make
a movie about DeLorean.
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Knock on wood, it'll happen
because I think it could be great.
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He was this kind of chameleon-like figure
who could appear one thing to one person
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and another thing totally
to a different person.
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And I think, in a way, that's why so
many scripts have been written about him
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because, you know, he
is open to interpretation.
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You get the impression that he is either a
beleaguered man who was discredited and
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manipulated by big
business in this country or he
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was the greatest con man
to ever come down the pike.
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We have an opportunity
this morning to visit with him.
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Would you welcome
Mr. John DeLorean.
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You shoot him for your purposes
over the arc of how many years?
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He ages a piece.
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Mostly early 70s to early 80s.
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So there's a business spread
and he ages during that time.
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Sure.
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Yeah, that's right.
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And I want to see
how his behavior ages.
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I need to see clips
that are arranged.
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Driving you all this time was this
desperate need to make this car thing go.
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My cries are so intense that
nothing in the world would let
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me let this business, this car
with my name on it, go down.
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That's the corner of his eye.
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When you draw a straight line up,
the brow overlaps the corner of the eye.
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Well, I think it's going
to come in a little bit.
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It's going to come over?
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Yeah.
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Are they involved with cocaine?
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Talk about that.
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It's a peculiar thing because,
you know, in my life, I have never,
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ever seen cocaine,
touched cocaine, used
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cocaine, or been in the
presence of anybody.
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All the time I've looked at DeLorean
before, I thought, where is he
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manipulating and where are the peaks
behind the curtain of who he really is?
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And then when you play the person,
you say to yourself, well, forget about me
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looking at DeLorean as
a viewer on a TV show
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and saying, what's
behind the curtain with him?
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When you start to play him,
you go, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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He's not guilty of anything.
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He didn't do anything.
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In fact, it's the opposite.
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He's a hero in his mind.
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He's a hero.
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And you have to play that.
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You have to play
who he thinks he is.
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And you present him as who
he thinks he is to the world.
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And you let the audience
make up their mind.
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And you suddenly thought
you were involved with
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the mob and you were
fighting for your life.
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Well, I just, it
really went half.
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Let me just show my wife.
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She just thinks it's funny.
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She just thinks it's funny.
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She thinks it's a fun thing.
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She said, hey, look, I can't
believe this is what they think.
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They pay you to do this.
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Oh, God.
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What are you doing?
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You're doing a movie.
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We do reenactment footage of
DeLorean's drama, his caper, his escapades,
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and shoot them as a movie and cut
reenactment footage into documentary
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footage of a movie about DeLorean
and what he did and what he went through.
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And the good news is I don't
have to bother with any of that.
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They do.
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I'm going to just go put the makeup
on and go try to be DeLorean.
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For John DeLorean,
growing up in Detroit, every
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kid's dream was to go
into the auto industry.
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One thing you have to understand about John
DeLorean is he was a brilliant engineer.
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And so to start with, he had some really
good instincts and he had great talent.
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DeLorean thrived in the car business first
at Packard for a short while at Chrysler.
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And somebody sought
him out at General Motors
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and offered him his
choice of five divisions.
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He took on Pontiac, which was
the old ladies division at the time.
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And it was really the place
where he could shine the most.
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General Manager, Mr. John C.
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DeLorean.
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In those days, the late 50s and early 60s
at GM, Pontiac particularly was exciting
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to be there because they were
almost ready to be dropped.
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And of course, that was the
kind of thing that gave you the
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incentive to come up with new
ideas and make them happen.
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I started as a very unsophisticated young
engineer and I was given an opportunity to
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attain a success in the
business world far beyond
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anything I had ever
imagined I was capable of.
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You know, this was a special
guy who was going to change the
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industry forever and truly
become a legend at the company.
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Scene two alpha, take three.
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Parker.
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The story in the GTO is that we were about
ready to do a brand new line and we had
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the 64 Tempest to be in the garage
there with John and a couple of the guys.
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Hey, Bill.
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John, you heading home?
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Yeah, I was about to.
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I wanted to stop by and see
how you were coming along.
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Well, I think she's about as
good as we're going to get her.
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He would encourage everybody
to do something new and different.
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I was hoping maybe we'd have
something, I don't know, sexier.
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You mean sportier?
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Yeah, more high
performance, you know.
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Well, our bigger 389 engine
has the exact same dimensions
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as the 326 in here, so we
could swap that out, no problem.
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Well, how would the car
handle the extra power?
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Well, that's the thing.
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You have to fit the appropriate
transmission and rear axle.
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But we do that, it would
definitely be sexier, John.
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Shoot, we could even
run this in NASCAR.
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I say we do it.
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Really?
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Absolutely.
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But then what?
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You think you
can actually sell it?
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You let me worry
about that, Bill.
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I was just going to
drive it back and forth
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to work, and I had a
marvelous time with it.
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And I found that every
time I lent it to somebody
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to use for a day or two,
I couldn't get it back.
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And I said, well, there may be
a market for something like that.
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What the hell is this?
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That's a GTO.
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It stands for Gran Turismo Amalgamato,
which I think is Italian for fastest hell.
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But it'll beat every car on a track or
American street, and it's still a Pontiac.
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Hold on a second.
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Turn that off.
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The 14th floor is never
going to go for putting
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such a large engine
in such a small frame.
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Well, GM forbade putting a
so-called big block beyond,
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I believe, 350 cubic inches
in a medium-sized car.
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The guys upstairs approve this?
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I don't need their approval.
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It's a new product, John.
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All new products need
upper management approval.
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And John was interesting.
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He loved really just figuring out ways
to bend the rules as much as possible.
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But it's not a new product.
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It's an options package
on the new Tempest,
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and one that puts a
real tiger under the hood.
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It's manipulative.
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It's marketing.
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Pontiac is primarily the
division for older buyers.
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What are they going
to want with a hot rod?
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We're the division for older buyers
because that's how we view ourselves.
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We've got to anticipate
what younger buyers
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want before they even
know what they want.
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And once they realize
it, give them this.
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So how many do
you want to produce?
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You're the sales manager.
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You tell me.
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I was thinking about 30,000.
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You're out of your damn mind.
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John, be reasonable.
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I can't imagine us selling
even close to 5,000.
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But...
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Let's start with that number, and
let's hope that they don't rust on the lot.
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At that time, the sales manager
of Pontiac thought it was stupid.
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And he refused to schedule more than,
I think, about 4,000 or 5,000 for the year.
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It was an outlaw move.
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DeLorean snuck it past the GM
watchdogs by a sort of sleight of hand.
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It was just an options package.
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Despite his feeling it wouldn't sell, I
think we sold like 45,000 the first year.
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What he figured out before anyone figured
it out was that this exploding youth
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movement had interest in
cars as something that would
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represent the way they
wanted to look to the world.
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It's the perfect moment in which
John was able to marry both his brilliant
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engineering as well as his marketing
prowess to create the muscle car.
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The muscle car era
really advanced Detroit.
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It made money.
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It made Pontiac.
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It made those three
letters, GTO, legendary.
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There's an odd parallel between
the Pontiac GTO and John Z.
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DeLorean.
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The GTO was a risk taken.
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And I think it convinced DeLorean that
taking a risk no one else was willing to
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step up to and making it work
at all costs was how you did it.
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And after you do
it once, why stop?
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What I see about DeLorean...
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For me, he took such risks.
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And the problem with people who
take risks like that is that when they win,
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when they make their
calculated risk, they
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become emboldened
and they take more risks.
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And then they take risks
outside of their normal sphere.
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Between this and the other, it
will generate about four and a half...
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Risk taking in the automotive
industry and risk taking with
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a bunch of drug dealers in a
hotel are two different things.
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But your confidence in
yourself is very, very high.
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You don't make mistakes.
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You don't see them coming.
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Better than gold.
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Just say it's better than gold.
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This stuff weighs more.
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Gold weighs more than this.
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Gold weighs more
than this, for God's sake.
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Better than gold.
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Better than gold.
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Gold weighs more
than this, for God's sake.
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Hi, John.
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Hi, John.
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Great question.
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Do you have the FBI?
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But in the end, when he's arrested and
he tilts his head back and you have a shot,
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hopefully, looking
down from the ceiling...
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And his head should crane up and look
right up into a thing and look off camera.
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And he's thinking,
what are you thinking?
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We should cut to
what he's thinking.
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He's worried about his family.
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He's worried about
losing everything.
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And there were like
four or five things.
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If he just made a little adjustment here
and made this decision differently there,
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all of it would have turned
out completely differently.
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DeLorean was clearly a fast
mover at GM in the early 70s.
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Whoever makes the most money
at GM is the most important person.
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And everything he
touched turned to gold.
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So by the time John
reaches the 14th floor, better
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known as the executive
level, he's in his mid-40s.
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If he just plays his cards right, he's
poised to be the next president of
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General Motors, the largest
corporation in the world.
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GM was very intentional on
making executives colorless.
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And DeLorean was a
highly technicolor person.
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He wore open collars.
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He wore sideburns.
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He spent his
weekend in the garage.
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He went to a lot of
events in California.
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And you know what
an evil influence that is.
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He gets significant plastic surgery on
his face to give himself a stronger jaw.
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He starts weightlifting
and losing weight.
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He and his first wife separated.
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And then he started dating actresses and
models of women that were a lot younger
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than him and who a
lot of GM executives and
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then their wives thought
were age inappropriate.
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I have a reasonably
strong sex drive, which I
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happen to think is an
important part of any guy.
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He married his second
wife, Kelly Harmon,
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blonde bombshell, and
she was 19 at the time.
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The General Mueller's PR department
added a couple of years to her age when the
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press releases first went
out about the marriage.
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She lives there in Detroit
for two or three years,
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becomes disillusioned with
the marriage, and leaves him.
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And within a year and a
half, he's married to Christina
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Farrar, the, at that point,
world's top supermodel.
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Then he ended up, of course, in the
fashion magazines and that kind of thing.
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And while that enhanced
his image outside of the
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company, it created
problems for him with him.
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GM can't stand this.
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It's pissing them off.
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And he goes back to them and says,
hey, what are you guys worried about?
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Look at the sales numbers.
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Tom, how do you feel about
our retail sales job this past year?
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How do I feel?
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John, I feel great.
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Both at Pontiac and at
Chevrolet, he was making so
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much money for the
company and all the executives.
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All the executives that he reported
to, who were upset with his lifestyle,
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upset with him, couldn't quite figure out
how he was doing so well, but they could
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see the numbers and they knew
that showed up in their bonus checks.
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And that was the interesting
dilemma for GM with John DeLorean.
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This is Boston Harbor,
and those are Volkswagens.
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They're coming in.
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One of the tragic flaws of GM, and
again, this is something he knew,
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is that the company
was all too willing to
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do what it was doing
a year and a half ago.
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And they were doing it year after
year after year because it was working,
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even though they were
ignoring, for instance, the small
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car market and let it go
a lot of time to foreigners.
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He saw what was coming
from a lot of these imports,
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these smaller, more
fuel-efficient, better quality cars.
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And he knew the
writing was on the wall.
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Obviously, I saw the trends very clearly,
and I wanted to react to them a little bit
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perhaps more aggressively than other
members of the industry management.
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He had big aspirations.
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He wanted to stay at GM.
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He wanted to be president.
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He wanted to do things, take the company
in directions that they weren't willing to
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do because they were so
comfortable being the fat cat at
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the time, being the number
one car company in the world.
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And that leads to his demise.
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There were executives
who resented him.
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Probably the most prominent
is a guy named Roger Kyes.
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It was just a total
difference of opinion.
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I think he considered
me capricious and
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superficial, and I considered
him a pompous ass.
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Those enemies in the
company slowed down.
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I slowly developed kind of a
cabal, as you will, against DeLorean.
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In 1972, they tasked John
with putting together a speech
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to talk about GM's quality, the
infamous Greenbrier speech.
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They pre-read all the
speeches weeks in advance.
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They noticed that the speech not
only criticizes the quality of the cars,
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but it criticizes a lot
of the executives that
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are currently there,
some of his own bosses.
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And they censored a lot of the
stuff that he could say in the speech.
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But, you know, he wasn't
going to let it just rest at that.
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Nothing.
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There's something you forgot.
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Well, that's the one I'm actually
giving at Greenbrier on Saturday.
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This is the speech
I should be giving.
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What I should be saying is in here
somewhere, buried like Kyes wants.
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You think it's personal, then?
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Oh, sure, it's personal.
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I wonder how much
longer I can do this dance.
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I mean, at this rate, it'll be ten years
of me pushing papers that I didn't write
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before I'm named president, and
that's... that's not going to work at all.
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Any thoughts on how
you might accelerate that?
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As a matter of fact, I've
got a few ideas, yeah.
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If this original speech were to be leaked,
there would be some blowback, sure.
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But I'd be vindicated.
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And in this particular situation,
what he wants is for the public and the
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press to sort of shame
GM and push them in the
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direction that he wanted
the company to go in.
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Good to see you, Roy.
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And you, John.
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And he felt that by calling these people
out, that this was going to somehow prop
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him up and propel him even
faster into the presidency.
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His initial speech leaked to the press,
and it was all over the news that John
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DeLorean is highly critical
of General Motors' quality.
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DeLorean claimed his enemies
had leaked these speeches out.
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It became apparent that people close to
DeLorean had leaked these speeches out.
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You've got to remember,
this is a person who, was
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only rewarded for taking
big risks, dangerous moves.
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It didn't work.
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No doubt, DeLorean was booted by members
of the board and the corporate directors,
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and that forced him out
very abruptly in 1973.
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DeLorean is ejected
from the company in what
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should have been a
very embarrassing event.
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However, he finds a
way, at making it all heroic.
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Being part, or being
one-seventh, or one-tenth of
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some committee is a very
unappealing thing to me.
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Obviously, it was very rewarding
financially, and it would have been easy
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to sit there for another 17
years collecting a half a million or
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three-quarters of a
million dollars a year,
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but that really didn't
appeal to me very much.
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A full career would have
been another 15 years.
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Well, what's he going to do?
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He's going to count beans
with the other executives.
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Compared to creating new, cool products
like GTOs, it's completely different.
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There's no way DeLorean
would have lasted to age 65.
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Wow.
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I can't imagine us selling even close
to 5,000, but let's start with that number.
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I've got another car,
a stainless steel car.
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You're going to
be crazy about it.
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Yeah, okay.
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Good luck with that, John.
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That's what the line should be.
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The bad version would
be, next thing you're going to
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be telling us, you want to
build a stainless steel car.
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In the back of his mind,
this concept car was
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always stirring, what
he called an ethical car.
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Well, we're doing a
sports racing car here.
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It's going to be designed
to have an eternal life.
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And so we're using a
non-corrosive material so
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that it'll just stay
together forever and ever.
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And it's going to be very
beautiful aesthetically.
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He wanted to build
a sophisticated,
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contemporary-looking
sports car for the masses.
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That wasn't the norm.
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You know, if you're going to get something
that's that exotic and interesting,
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you're going to have to get
a Ferrari or a Lamborghini
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where they only make a
few hundred cars a year.
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John was trying to make
a mass-produced car.
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He set out to compete
with the big boys.
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It's difficult, if not impossible,
to start up a car company.
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Really, the last one you could
name was Chrysler in the 1920s.
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And even Chrysler
went through bankruptcy.
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There aren't many people who
do that, who want to risk it all.
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When he left Yemen, more
or less, was forced to leave,
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that became the driving
force in his motivation.
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I'm going to show them.
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And so it was part
dream and part revenge.
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There it is, what we
always talked about.
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What do you think about being
named the head of the entire
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product program for the first
mass-produced car since Chrysler?
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00:22:46,010 --> 00:22:47,610
John, look, obviously,
I'm going to win.
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I'm flattered,
but... No buts, Bill.
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00:22:49,450 --> 00:22:50,530
And I'm not flattering you.
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This is what you
and I were built for.
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This is real innovation.
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Does innovation
include a pension?
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Well, who's asking?
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My wife.
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Well, you tell Nina that the greater
the risk, the greater the reward.
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And besides, this finally
puts you in the driver's seat.
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00:23:06,010 --> 00:23:07,010
Lemonade, boys?
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00:23:07,830 --> 00:23:08,230
Bill?
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Thank you.
448
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:09,050
Honey?
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Thank you.
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00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:15,026
And you've got
the money for this?
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Oh, yeah.
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00:23:16,430 --> 00:23:19,390
We've got several
sources of initial investment.
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You two are quite persuasive.
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Lemonade was my idea.
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00:23:30,130 --> 00:23:31,130
It's delicious.
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00:23:31,850 --> 00:23:32,850
You talk to your wife.
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00:23:33,570 --> 00:23:35,507
I probably thought
about it, and my wife
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would say we should
probably not have done it.
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00:23:37,860 --> 00:23:42,770
Having been a GM where money was
never a problem, you know, you were sort of
460
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gambling, and you hoped
the thing was going to work out.
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00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,230
The company really has
its founding in two people.
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That's John DeLorean
and Bill Collins.
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00:23:51,330 --> 00:23:53,490
Collins never reached for glory.
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He didn't have so much ego that
he needed his name on the product.
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He was always behind the scenes.
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He was the guy who made
DeLorean look good many times.
467
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:06,730
Bill is a super
wonderful gentleman.
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00:24:07,030 --> 00:24:08,810
He is one of the
world's finest men.
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He really is.
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He is a good man.
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And it was like his dream.
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His dream was to do this.
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00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:20,310
I think from the beginning, John's
major concern always was fundraising.
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So my objective was to start
out building the first prototype.
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This was definitely Bill's baby.
476
00:24:27,030 --> 00:24:29,711
I mean, if there was an
issue that had anything to do
477
00:24:29,712 --> 00:24:32,550
with the car, Bill Collins was
the guy leading the charge.
478
00:24:33,530 --> 00:24:37,990
That played out basically for
the first three years of the project.
479
00:24:38,975 --> 00:24:43,610
When we finished the first prototype, it
was a huge event, because now we could
480
00:24:43,611 --> 00:24:47,570
say, you know, this isn't
some dream kind of figure here.
481
00:24:47,710 --> 00:24:49,030
This is the real McCoy.
482
00:24:49,305 --> 00:24:52,370
We hadn't solved all the engineering
problems yet, but it was exciting.
483
00:24:52,550 --> 00:24:55,170
It turned out to be a
great car, in my opinion.
484
00:24:55,490 --> 00:24:59,087
To be part of this thing that
might grow into something
485
00:24:59,088 --> 00:25:03,830
that who knows where it
would go, it was electrifying.
486
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,170
This is a presentation of the
DeLorean Motor Company.
487
00:25:13,770 --> 00:25:16,470
Imagine how many of the men who
have headed each of the major automotive
488
00:25:16,471 --> 00:25:18,521
manufacturers have
wanted to create a
489
00:25:18,533 --> 00:25:21,030
product starting with
a clean sheet of paper.
490
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,750
That is what the DeLorean
Motor Company intends to do.
491
00:25:25,710 --> 00:25:28,610
We were basically a
company with no foundation.
492
00:25:29,910 --> 00:25:33,560
And the less you have
to secure an investment,
493
00:25:33,572 --> 00:25:36,611
the more risky you
are to an investor.
494
00:25:36,740 --> 00:25:38,130
And we were pretty risky.
495
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,985
Our asset was John's
background experience, and so
496
00:25:42,986 --> 00:25:46,410
he really had to be what
we initially were selling.
497
00:25:48,540 --> 00:25:51,428
You have to portray him as
being on the top of the mountain,
498
00:25:51,429 --> 00:25:55,210
being adored by the world
as a savior of the auto industry.
499
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,770
And we were the dog
and pony show experts.
500
00:26:00,010 --> 00:26:04,030
We'd do the setup, we'd do the
show, and then at the precise moment,
501
00:26:04,530 --> 00:26:05,710
John DeLorean would come in.
502
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:09,450
They'd actually see the man,
and it looked like he was levitating.
503
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,440
Most of you have already
seen my lovely wife, Christina.
504
00:26:25,930 --> 00:26:28,990
I know she's likely the real
reason you're all here tonight.
505
00:26:29,890 --> 00:26:35,050
But in all seriousness, I do have
her to thank, along with many others.
506
00:26:35,615 --> 00:26:40,610
In particular, I'd like to recognize the
man I handpicked, essentially stole from
507
00:26:40,611 --> 00:26:45,410
GM, to head up the entire DeLorean
Motor Company product program.
508
00:26:46,015 --> 00:26:49,830
Perhaps the finest automotive
engineer I've ever met in my entire life.
509
00:26:49,831 --> 00:26:51,250
Bill Collins.
510
00:26:55,950 --> 00:27:00,590
I know that we may be the new boy
on the block, but I also know that on this,
511
00:27:00,610 --> 00:27:04,424
the bicentennial of the
American Revolution, we can
512
00:27:04,425 --> 00:27:09,450
start making our version of
the American Dream a reality.
513
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:15,750
Allow me to introduce the first
incarnation in the evolution of my dream,
514
00:27:16,830 --> 00:27:22,330
our first vehicle codenamed the
DMC-12, the DeLorean Motor Car.
515
00:27:30,060 --> 00:27:34,120
In the early stages, this was
all but the second coming.
516
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,820
It was described in Detroit as significant
as the invention of the Ford Model A.
517
00:27:39,420 --> 00:27:41,060
That this was going
to change everything.
518
00:28:00,540 --> 00:28:03,780
I don't think I've sat in one of these,
probably since my dad had one on the farm.
519
00:28:04,650 --> 00:28:09,780
There's not much of a tie for me to
the car, as much as people would think.
520
00:28:11,970 --> 00:28:13,290
I don't know if
that makes sense.
521
00:28:13,765 --> 00:28:16,277
Being young when this
car was built, you just don't
522
00:28:16,278 --> 00:28:18,740
understand the magnitude
and the gravity of it.
523
00:28:19,220 --> 00:28:21,119
You know, it's flying over
your head at a thousand miles
524
00:28:21,139 --> 00:28:23,960
an hour, and you know,
it's like my dad built this car.
525
00:28:24,180 --> 00:28:25,600
You know, it's
got our name on it.
526
00:28:26,420 --> 00:28:29,860
I mean, when I'm in it, or I see
it, I see my father, I feel my dad.
527
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:36,500
But between me and this car, I think
it's a love-hate relationship probably.
528
00:28:37,170 --> 00:28:39,070
Half the time I don't
even know what to
529
00:28:39,082 --> 00:28:41,281
think of it, you know,
to be honest with you.
530
00:28:46,805 --> 00:28:49,000
Probably the closest
person I've ever been
531
00:28:49,001 --> 00:28:52,381
close to my whole
fucking life was my father.
532
00:28:52,610 --> 00:28:56,380
He adopted me when I
was, I mean, two weeks old.
533
00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:01,108
As far as like, DeLorean or
DeLorean Motor Company, you
534
00:29:01,109 --> 00:29:04,020
know, it was just dad going
to work, dad's building a car.
535
00:29:04,910 --> 00:29:08,780
Had no clue how famous he was,
had no clue how famous my mother was.
536
00:29:09,850 --> 00:29:11,750
I think we moved to New
York probably, I would
537
00:29:11,751 --> 00:29:14,500
say in 74, because then
my sister was born in 77.
538
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:19,660
Throughout my life, I understood that
there was this man, John DeLorean,
539
00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:26,560
and with this man, John DeLorean,
came this history of all the things that
540
00:29:26,561 --> 00:29:30,400
are, again, iconically
encompassed by the car.
541
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:35,440
And then there was my dad.
542
00:29:36,155 --> 00:29:40,120
And I understood that they
were two different people.
543
00:29:41,730 --> 00:29:45,260
When I was little, my dad
was at the peak of everything.
544
00:29:46,750 --> 00:29:50,500
There are pictures of us, and I
used to say it's the royal family.
545
00:29:51,500 --> 00:29:53,809
My mom was always so
perfect and put together,
546
00:29:53,810 --> 00:29:56,221
and my brother always
in his perfect little suit.
547
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:57,800
Oh, we were so cute.
548
00:29:58,670 --> 00:30:00,180
Seriously, we were just so cute.
549
00:30:01,150 --> 00:30:02,340
My dad was my best friend.
550
00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:05,580
He just, he taught
me everything.
551
00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:06,900
He taught me how to fish.
552
00:30:07,020 --> 00:30:08,060
He taught me how to drive.
553
00:30:08,220 --> 00:30:09,740
He taught me how
to ride a motorcycle.
554
00:30:11,340 --> 00:30:13,020
This is everything he
had been working for.
555
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:14,480
This was his dream.
556
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,040
I mean, being married to my mom,
having a family, having an apartment on
557
00:30:18,140 --> 00:30:23,600
Fifth Avenue, buying a farm out in
New Jersey, having the car company.
558
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,180
That was probably
the best time of his life.
559
00:30:34,030 --> 00:30:34,800
Can you see this well?
560
00:30:34,900 --> 00:30:36,166
Is this lit well enough for you?
561
00:30:36,190 --> 00:30:40,080
Because, I mean, I'm a firm
believer that that can't be faked.
562
00:30:40,655 --> 00:30:43,660
And now, how happy
she is, I don't know.
563
00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:46,016
And she seems pretty
happy, but she's a kid.
564
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,240
They're always
fairly happy, as a rule.
565
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,880
But look at how happy he is,
himself, the subject of the film.
566
00:30:54,180 --> 00:30:54,960
I don't think that can be faked.
567
00:30:54,961 --> 00:30:55,961
I think he's very happy.
568
00:30:56,660 --> 00:30:59,610
And I have a picture of
my family, and I'm a couple
569
00:30:59,611 --> 00:31:02,140
years older than my wife
than he is from his wife.
570
00:31:02,340 --> 00:31:03,340
So I get this.
571
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:04,800
I get this.
572
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,360
And the problem is
that he wanted both.
573
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:11,276
And when you want
both, you can have both.
574
00:31:11,300 --> 00:31:12,660
But that's very tough to do.
575
00:31:14,030 --> 00:31:15,220
Christina, you have been
married for a long time.
576
00:31:15,221 --> 00:31:16,956
You've been married to
this man for seven years.
577
00:31:16,980 --> 00:31:17,980
Tell me about John.
578
00:31:19,325 --> 00:31:22,655
Well, I, unfortunately for
everyone else, all of our
579
00:31:22,656 --> 00:31:25,581
other friends, they do not
know John the way I do.
580
00:31:25,620 --> 00:31:26,940
And if they did... Well,
that may be better.
581
00:31:27,250 --> 00:31:29,080
No, no, let me be more specific.
582
00:31:29,180 --> 00:31:34,180
Because most of the people know
John as a businessman and an executive.
583
00:31:34,555 --> 00:31:37,680
But I know him as a
husband and a loving father.
584
00:31:38,275 --> 00:31:41,640
And he's a totally unselfish,
gentle, giving human being.
585
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:44,320
I grew up and married
Prince Charming.
586
00:31:44,321 --> 00:31:44,960
Really?
587
00:31:45,020 --> 00:31:46,320
That's exactly how I feel, yes.
588
00:31:46,690 --> 00:31:48,180
All right, John,
describe her to me.
589
00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:52,140
Yeah, of course,
it would take days.
590
00:31:52,430 --> 00:31:55,440
But I never in my wildest
dreams ever believed
591
00:31:55,441 --> 00:31:58,300
that my life could be so
complete and so happy.
592
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,330
And when there's any
kind of a family crisis,
593
00:32:01,331 --> 00:32:03,800
she suddenly becomes
the rock of Gibraltar.
594
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:08,295
She really is the solid, stable part of,
you know, our relationship, whether it's.
595
00:32:08,341 --> 00:32:12,060
She was very
perky, peppy, upbeat.
596
00:32:12,580 --> 00:32:14,200
And she is that way.
597
00:32:14,201 --> 00:32:16,361
She is that way in a lot of
the footage that I've seen.
598
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:33,140
But every woman who has it all and who
works and who has children and who is in
599
00:32:33,141 --> 00:32:37,760
love and who has a loving family,
like, you cannot be 100% at everything.
600
00:32:38,350 --> 00:32:42,740
When I was watching footage, it was to
sort of see what was the public Christina
601
00:32:42,741 --> 00:32:45,820
versus what was the personal,
where the cracks were.
602
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,640
I just found out
a few hours ago.
603
00:32:49,780 --> 00:32:50,780
I know nothing.
604
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:51,880
I caught a plane.
605
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:52,380
I'm here.
606
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,180
She's so composed.
607
00:32:54,660 --> 00:32:55,760
It's amazing, right?
608
00:32:56,020 --> 00:32:59,381
I mean, I feel like she
was caught in between
609
00:32:59,393 --> 00:33:02,253
what she wanted
things to be like and.
610
00:33:03,265 --> 00:33:06,420
And this is just me speculating,
obviously, but, like, what she wanted
611
00:33:06,421 --> 00:33:08,840
things to be like and
then what the reality was.
612
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:10,400
Not yet.
613
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,260
We were just rehearsing.
614
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:13,020
Sit down.
615
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:13,700
What are you doing?
616
00:33:13,970 --> 00:33:15,220
Sit down, you little...
617
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,780
And obviously, with what happened
in their lives, with John being arrested,
618
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,960
that's a huge... I think that's sort
of, like, the culmination of it all.
619
00:33:22,961 --> 00:33:27,060
And along the way, I'm sure that in their
relationship, there were moments where she
620
00:33:27,061 --> 00:33:33,280
was very much in love, but wondering,
you know, he's incredibly driven and
621
00:33:33,281 --> 00:33:35,280
ambitious, and how does
she fit into that picture?
622
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,820
Eventually the car will get built, but
right now I'm trying to build a brand.
623
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:44,350
Well, it concerns me where
we're gonna raise the children.
624
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,880
Well, wherever we set up shop, we
won't have to spend much time there.
625
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:52,870
All that matters is which
government gives us the most money.
626
00:33:54,410 --> 00:33:55,410
Well, it matters to me.
627
00:33:57,230 --> 00:33:58,310
And it matters to the kids.
628
00:34:01,860 --> 00:34:02,860
Don't worry.
629
00:34:04,005 --> 00:34:05,365
It's gonna be
great for all of us.
630
00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:07,300
Trust me.
631
00:34:12,460 --> 00:34:19,280
An island now experiencing rioting
on a scale not seen for many years.
632
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,880
Why pick Belfast, Ireland
to build your motor plant?
633
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:24,720
Oh, it's very simple.
634
00:34:24,900 --> 00:34:28,880
Nobody anywhere in the world would
come up with the financing we needed.
635
00:34:28,980 --> 00:34:31,338
Now, nobody else would
go to Belfast, because
636
00:34:31,339 --> 00:34:34,161
it's such a terrible,
dangerous place to be.
637
00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:38,740
I read in the newspapers that John
DeLorean had secured the investment he
638
00:34:38,741 --> 00:34:43,440
needed to establish his car project in
Northern Ireland against the background of
639
00:34:43,441 --> 00:34:47,520
the famous Troubles
that was rife at that time.
640
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:53,020
Prolonged civil unrest between Catholics
and Protestants scares off industrialists,
641
00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:55,654
depriving Northern
Ireland of jobs which it
642
00:34:55,655 --> 00:34:57,620
needs more than any
other area of Britain.
643
00:34:57,621 --> 00:34:59,980
The unemployment was insane.
644
00:35:00,100 --> 00:35:01,360
It was 30, 40%.
645
00:35:01,361 --> 00:35:03,860
And John had something to offer.
646
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,120
Jobs.
647
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,740
The Labour government in Britain at
the time was willing to put in subsidies,
648
00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:12,580
loans, a piece of land.
649
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,360
But here's the catch.
650
00:35:14,850 --> 00:35:18,240
It's got a population that
has never built a car before.
651
00:35:18,650 --> 00:35:21,760
There's no pre-existing structure
to build a car company there.
652
00:35:21,940 --> 00:35:24,120
And you have to
do it in two years.
653
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,420
I mean, are you kidding me?
654
00:35:26,421 --> 00:35:29,600
And all they have at this
point is a hand-built prototype.
655
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:33,239
So it was a long list
of things to accomplish
656
00:35:33,339 --> 00:35:35,820
to eventually be able
to productionize the car.
657
00:35:36,355 --> 00:35:40,800
It became clear to everyone that they
needed to have help to weed out all the
658
00:35:40,801 --> 00:35:43,700
problems and actually engineer
this car to be mass-produced.
659
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,200
Well, Colin Chapman
comes into the picture.
660
00:35:50,700 --> 00:35:53,960
Probably the finest automobile
engineer I have ever met in my life.
661
00:35:54,180 --> 00:35:55,220
Colin Chapman.
662
00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:56,320
I'll introduce Colin now.
663
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,000
Colin Chapman is the
founder of Lotus Cars.
664
00:36:00,725 --> 00:36:03,300
He was a pioneer
in the racing industry.
665
00:36:03,790 --> 00:36:05,300
He dominated Formula One.
666
00:36:05,745 --> 00:36:11,680
A deal had been struck with Lotus Cars as
a company and Colin Chapman as a named
667
00:36:11,681 --> 00:36:16,460
individual to engineer and develop
DeLorean cars that could enter production.
668
00:36:17,075 --> 00:36:20,160
Well, the idea of working with
Lotus would sound like a good idea.
669
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:23,805
We would all get together
and we'd become a joint
670
00:36:23,806 --> 00:36:26,400
organization and go
finish the production job.
671
00:36:26,420 --> 00:36:27,500
It was a great design work.
672
00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:30,505
Well, when we first
got to Lotus, I mean,
673
00:36:30,545 --> 00:36:32,940
right out of the chute,
it was kind of awkward.
674
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:38,020
Here, Bill and I and some others
had spent years getting us to this point.
675
00:36:38,890 --> 00:36:43,560
And then now it was like Bill Collins and
Bob Mannion and whoever else was involved,
676
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,660
they can kind of, like,
just, you know, watch us.
677
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,705
And that, of course, isn't
what I was going to do and it
678
00:36:51,706 --> 00:36:53,861
certainly wasn't going to
be what Bill was going to do.
679
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:54,640
This is Bill.
680
00:36:54,980 --> 00:36:55,980
John in.
681
00:36:56,420 --> 00:36:57,500
Bill, how the hell are you?
682
00:36:58,100 --> 00:36:59,960
Look, John, I got the
contract you sent over.
683
00:37:01,290 --> 00:37:03,080
And I have to say,
it raises some...
684
00:37:05,980 --> 00:37:08,560
You've got a lot in here about
Lotus, John, but nothing about me.
685
00:37:09,180 --> 00:37:10,780
Well, you don't have
to worry about that, Bill.
686
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:11,960
It's just a lot of paperwork.
687
00:37:12,300 --> 00:37:13,380
You know what you're doing.
688
00:37:13,700 --> 00:37:15,888
I understand that, John,
but I thought this was
689
00:37:15,889 --> 00:37:17,800
supposed to be a
collaboration on the redesign.
690
00:37:17,900 --> 00:37:19,500
But Chapman's
nowhere to be found.
691
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,640
Well, they're doing a
lot of R&D, aren't they?
692
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,040
That's the other thing.
693
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,280
This company in here, this...
694
00:37:28,930 --> 00:37:30,050
I've never even heard of it.
695
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,476
You don't need to
worry about that, Bill.
696
00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:35,720
It's not going to
affect you at all, OK?
697
00:37:36,275 --> 00:37:37,555
I don't see how that's possible.
698
00:37:37,580 --> 00:37:39,992
They've got a hefty line
item in here on engineering,
699
00:37:39,993 --> 00:37:41,981
but that's what we're
supposed to be doing.
700
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,880
It just seems like you're paying
twice for the same thing, John.
701
00:37:46,570 --> 00:37:49,200
Well, it must be some
kind of a tax shelter, Bill.
702
00:37:49,201 --> 00:37:49,640
I don't know.
703
00:37:49,660 --> 00:37:50,440
I'm not a CPA.
704
00:37:50,620 --> 00:37:51,620
I'm sorry.
705
00:37:53,825 --> 00:37:54,905
John, what am I doing here?
706
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:57,680
Why am I even here?
707
00:38:02,890 --> 00:38:04,090
I like Bill.
708
00:38:04,270 --> 00:38:05,870
I think he'd done
a tremendous job.
709
00:38:06,070 --> 00:38:11,190
The moment I found him reading
the contract, it was quite clear that what
710
00:38:11,690 --> 00:38:16,470
he'd already decided in his own
mind was true, that he was out of a job.
711
00:38:17,010 --> 00:38:22,651
Colin Chapman was not going to have anybody
looking over Colin Chapman's shoulder.
712
00:38:22,770 --> 00:38:25,250
To do business like this, don't
you have to be pretty ruthless?
713
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,370
I don't think you
have to be ruthless.
714
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:31,830
I think you have to be prepared to
make some unpalatable decisions.
715
00:38:31,850 --> 00:38:35,813
Because frequently you're
faced with making a decision
716
00:38:35,814 --> 00:38:38,490
between two evils, and
you're going to hurt somebody.
717
00:38:38,830 --> 00:38:41,130
John DeLorean himself, he knew.
718
00:38:41,570 --> 00:38:45,390
He'd arranged with Chapman
that this is the way it's going to be.
719
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:48,450
But nobody had told the
guys from the US team.
720
00:38:49,155 --> 00:38:53,890
It becomes painfully clear that Bill
and his engineering team are out of a job.
721
00:38:54,130 --> 00:38:56,552
And not only that,
there's something very
722
00:38:56,553 --> 00:38:58,990
fishy going on with
the finances of this deal.
723
00:38:59,410 --> 00:39:02,605
Colin Chapman was going
to be willing to do something
724
00:39:02,606 --> 00:39:04,670
that Bill would never have
been comfortable with.
725
00:39:04,930 --> 00:39:08,990
And for John, I think that was an
important aspect to this partnership.
726
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:11,459
And it was the type of
thing that was so important to
727
00:39:11,460 --> 00:39:14,530
him at the time that he
was willing to sacrifice Bill.
728
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:27,280
Dear John, after much deliberation on
my part, I feel it is obvious to both of us
729
00:39:27,281 --> 00:39:30,540
that my participation in your venture
is no longer the same as intended.
730
00:39:33,155 --> 00:39:36,800
Under the current circumstances, I
feel the only alternative for me is to
731
00:39:36,801 --> 00:39:40,980
tender my resignation in all
my present positions at this time.
732
00:39:41,230 --> 00:39:43,310
I wish you and the rest of
the team the best of luck.
733
00:39:45,995 --> 00:39:49,340
All these years later,
it still looks great.
734
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,600
And it would be nice
to have a brown interior.
735
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,600
Well, it had been a long, long time
that we'd been working on the project.
736
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:04,360
And I felt that I was being
totally undercut by John.
737
00:40:04,361 --> 00:40:08,000
And he really owed me a hell of a lot
more than to treat me the way he did.
738
00:40:09,355 --> 00:40:11,280
And it just seemed
like the time to move on.
739
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:17,040
Do you remember having the conversation
with John where you said, I'm resigning?
740
00:40:17,041 --> 00:40:18,041
No, I don't remember.
741
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:19,360
I just...
742
00:40:20,510 --> 00:40:22,060
I think he was
happy to see me go.
743
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:23,460
Did he really?
744
00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:24,040
Yeah.
745
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:25,656
He didn't try to
stop you at all?
746
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:26,680
No.
747
00:40:31,660 --> 00:40:33,775
We're all males, but
there's something to be
748
00:40:33,776 --> 00:40:35,720
said about being the
guy that's sort of the...
749
00:40:36,260 --> 00:40:36,900
got it.
750
00:40:37,050 --> 00:40:40,260
Bore the baby, as it
were, with the DMC-12.
751
00:40:58,740 --> 00:41:03,780
Before we started filming, we knew
nothing about John DeLorean, really.
752
00:41:08,140 --> 00:41:11,856
We basically came to the
project because a British
753
00:41:11,857 --> 00:41:15,440
television station wanted
to do something on Ireland.
754
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,180
And I was thinking, oh boy, we
could do a wonderful piece on Yates.
755
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,076
They said, no, no, we want
it to be about automobiles
756
00:41:23,077 --> 00:41:25,440
because everybody in
England just loves automobiles.
757
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,072
Like most of our films, you
know, the idea was to kind
758
00:41:29,073 --> 00:41:32,460
of watch somebody who
wants to fulfill a life dream.
759
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,600
And, you know,
that's who John was.
760
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,880
John Zachary DeLorean
certainly doesn't smile much.
761
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:39,160
The reason is simple.
762
00:41:39,410 --> 00:41:42,360
The most important project in
his life is yet to be accomplished.
763
00:41:42,915 --> 00:41:47,258
He was very guarded because
he had so many things, I
764
00:41:47,259 --> 00:41:50,840
guess, on his mind to
get figured out all the time.
765
00:41:50,841 --> 00:41:54,340
We've had some kind of
criticism right from day one.
766
00:41:54,460 --> 00:41:57,561
First, we were never going to
get the program together, then
767
00:41:57,562 --> 00:42:00,360
we'd never get the financing,
then we'd never build a plant.
768
00:42:00,580 --> 00:42:05,400
I don't think the motor car manufacturing
industries, whether it be America,
769
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:10,180
UK, mainland, actually ever
thought that it could be done.
770
00:42:10,540 --> 00:42:14,360
Now the critics are forecasting our
failure two or three years from now.
771
00:42:14,500 --> 00:42:17,198
So I think as long as you can
always keep your failure two
772
00:42:17,199 --> 00:42:19,680
or three years in the future,
you're probably going to do OK.
773
00:42:19,681 --> 00:42:22,455
I think DeLorean's
problem was at that time,
774
00:42:22,456 --> 00:42:24,860
he needed cars and he
needed cars in a hurry.
775
00:42:25,065 --> 00:42:28,360
You've got to pick the three or
four big markets and go after them.
776
00:42:28,380 --> 00:42:30,320
We can't wait 14
months to start selling.
777
00:42:30,805 --> 00:42:37,720
It was a constant panic of racing the
clock and it was damn the torpedoes and
778
00:42:37,895 --> 00:42:38,895
full speed ahead.
779
00:42:39,460 --> 00:42:42,188
It was such a process
of building the car and
780
00:42:42,189 --> 00:42:44,620
seeing what was working
and what wasn't working.
781
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,384
We've had problems on
the upper control arm around
782
00:42:47,385 --> 00:42:49,560
the ball joint, but we also
had a torsion rod failure.
783
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:50,800
141,000 cycles.
784
00:42:51,315 --> 00:42:53,400
Everybody knew that there
were going to be problems.
785
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,520
The view you took was,
well, yeah, we expected this.
786
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:57,990
Fine, let's get on and fix it.
787
00:42:58,590 --> 00:43:00,580
It was crazy, absolutely crazy.
788
00:43:01,190 --> 00:43:02,280
But it was exciting.
789
00:43:02,540 --> 00:43:05,084
You were an operator
on the floor seeing a lovely
790
00:43:05,085 --> 00:43:07,480
stainless steel car going
together the way it should go.
791
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:08,800
That was very rewarding.
792
00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:12,460
You felt part of a family
when you went in there.
793
00:43:13,060 --> 00:43:16,820
There was absolutely no trouble,
no Protestant-Catholic divide.
794
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,300
One of the proudest
achievements, I think, of
795
00:43:20,301 --> 00:43:23,041
DeLorean is it was a
form of social experiment.
796
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,955
You had, for the first
time in Northern Ireland,
797
00:43:25,956 --> 00:43:29,060
Catholics and Protestants
working alongside each other.
798
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,440
This social experiment
was beginning to work.
799
00:43:31,620 --> 00:43:34,560
You can have a mixed
workforce and be successful.
800
00:43:34,900 --> 00:43:42,080
In two years and 11 months, we had
built a factory, we had designed the car,
801
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:46,199
the cars were built,
and that was the best
802
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,301
time I have ever had
working in any company.
803
00:43:51,265 --> 00:43:56,580
When the first six cars came rolling
out, the news crews were all there.
804
00:43:57,555 --> 00:44:00,180
John was the biggest hero
in Northern Ireland that day.
805
00:44:01,295 --> 00:44:05,780
It's incredible that he got 3,500
cars into the United States on a boat.
806
00:44:05,860 --> 00:44:12,000
We actually sailed on the damn boat,
too, because I just was so excited to see
807
00:44:12,001 --> 00:44:16,020
that happen because I knew he
showed them that he could do it.
808
00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:18,460
Buyers are reported to
be queuing up in the United
809
00:44:18,461 --> 00:44:21,600
States for the company's
futuristic, gull-winged DMC-12.
810
00:44:21,860 --> 00:44:25,134
DA and Chris, you
watch their movie and the
811
00:44:25,214 --> 00:44:28,520
perception you get at the
end is, this is a success.
812
00:44:29,050 --> 00:44:31,980
Everything was hunky-dory
and it was great, you know.
813
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:34,120
We'd succeeded in October 81.
814
00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:47,160
DeLorean is four or five
little moves away from victory.
815
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:50,880
He's on the doorstep
of that victory.
816
00:44:52,750 --> 00:44:55,400
You know, in the music
of it, it's like Bolero.
817
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,200
You know, John just says...
818
00:45:02,170 --> 00:45:04,380
We don't migrate from that.
819
00:45:04,830 --> 00:45:07,981
He's played a pretty
high-stakes game and he
820
00:45:07,982 --> 00:45:10,860
really, really stays
calm and very contained.
821
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:16,620
And the drama is in him being contained
while everything collapsed around him.
822
00:45:18,010 --> 00:45:25,360
Things started to go sour very
quickly around the fall of 1981.
823
00:45:26,220 --> 00:45:28,640
There were a series of
monumental cock-ups.
824
00:45:29,150 --> 00:45:30,670
So everything's
going really smoothly.
825
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,820
Well, I wouldn't say smoothly.
826
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,870
I don't want to give the
appearance that, you
827
00:45:34,871 --> 00:45:38,660
know, everything's
just absolutely perfect.
828
00:45:39,870 --> 00:45:42,142
When those cars
first came off the boat,
829
00:45:42,154 --> 00:45:44,660
they were just a product
warranty nightmare.
830
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:45,940
The door won't close.
831
00:45:46,100 --> 00:45:47,100
The gaps are all wrong.
832
00:45:47,260 --> 00:45:48,900
The window wiper won't work.
833
00:45:49,020 --> 00:45:51,000
The door mechanism won't work.
834
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,720
You know, that
happened to me once.
835
00:45:52,980 --> 00:45:55,100
Stuck in the car, couldn't
open the door, you know.
836
00:45:56,580 --> 00:45:58,000
We reviewed the car.
837
00:45:58,780 --> 00:46:00,680
It cost more than a Corvette.
838
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,360
It didn't handle that great.
839
00:46:02,500 --> 00:46:03,500
It was kind of slow.
840
00:46:03,890 --> 00:46:06,720
It was not the car he promised.
841
00:46:07,540 --> 00:46:10,440
This fuel-efficient,
high-performance car.
842
00:46:11,690 --> 00:46:19,240
It started to go south when this happened
in the teeth of a diminishing economy.
843
00:46:19,940 --> 00:46:21,380
Now the dream
seems to be fading.
844
00:46:21,500 --> 00:46:22,960
Sales are way
down in the industry.
845
00:46:22,980 --> 00:46:25,236
There's a lot of competition in the United
States, perhaps for economic reasons,
846
00:46:25,260 --> 00:46:27,720
perhaps because of some
dissatisfaction with the car.
847
00:46:28,370 --> 00:46:33,020
In a scenario where there's a few thousand
cars coming to the U.S., there's these
848
00:46:33,021 --> 00:46:37,840
quality control issues, the lesson that
should have been learned from this is,
849
00:46:38,060 --> 00:46:40,040
let's slow production
down a little bit more.
850
00:46:40,415 --> 00:46:42,780
Let's figure out a way to
work out all these issues.
851
00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:47,220
Unfortunately, that's the opposite
of what John decided to do.
852
00:46:47,690 --> 00:46:50,120
He pulled the trigger on
basically doubling production.
853
00:46:50,121 --> 00:46:51,680
And what happened?
854
00:46:52,260 --> 00:46:57,100
These cars were backing up like
plague rats, you know, on the docks.
855
00:46:57,490 --> 00:46:59,480
And it was just the
wrong, wrong move.
856
00:47:00,170 --> 00:47:02,320
So the question has to
be, well, why did he do this?
857
00:47:03,060 --> 00:47:08,640
It was a typical John move because he
saw a little angle in the contract where if
858
00:47:08,641 --> 00:47:12,320
you upped the amount of people that
were working there and increased jobs,
859
00:47:12,885 --> 00:47:15,645
then the government was supposed
to be giving him an infusion of cash.
860
00:47:15,780 --> 00:47:18,420
And so he thought he was going to
take advantage of this little clause.
861
00:47:18,421 --> 00:47:22,880
Anyone who deals with the government
knows that that's a risk in itself.
862
00:47:23,970 --> 00:47:25,100
What if the politics change?
863
00:47:25,285 --> 00:47:26,780
What if the
administration changes?
864
00:47:28,045 --> 00:47:30,460
Well, Margaret
Thatcher happened.
865
00:47:32,490 --> 00:47:34,140
We'd had a change
of government by now.
866
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:35,800
The Conservatives were in power.
867
00:47:36,275 --> 00:47:39,780
Margaret Thatcher, the
arch-privateer, was Prime Minister.
868
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:43,183
Between Margaret Thatcher
as Prime Minister and us, there
869
00:47:43,184 --> 00:47:46,280
was a Secretary of State for
Northern Ireland, James Pryor.
870
00:47:47,060 --> 00:47:48,400
Well, I suppose my
role was different.
871
00:47:48,420 --> 00:47:51,620
My role at DeLorean was
to keep him under control.
872
00:47:52,410 --> 00:47:55,080
The Labour government had
started off the DeLorean business.
873
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:58,798
The Conservative
government took a tougher line
874
00:47:58,799 --> 00:48:02,520
towards subsidies for
Northern Ireland for DeLorean.
875
00:48:03,250 --> 00:48:06,260
DeLorean wanted another
$76 million from the British.
876
00:48:06,690 --> 00:48:08,290
If not, he said, there
would be layoffs.
877
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,060
I don't care about the British
taxpayers' money or my own money.
878
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,600
I think the most important thing
is we have some people there.
879
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,120
This is a very, very
important part of their life, and
880
00:48:18,121 --> 00:48:20,940
nothing in the world should
be permitted to interfere with it.
881
00:48:21,140 --> 00:48:29,040
John overestimated the fact that we had
created jobs and that it was the jobs that
882
00:48:29,041 --> 00:48:32,960
would secure even more
money to keep us alive.
883
00:48:33,620 --> 00:48:35,560
That was not the way
Margaret Thatcher saw it.
884
00:48:36,410 --> 00:48:39,379
She genuinely took
the view that we couldn't
885
00:48:39,391 --> 00:48:42,041
go on pouring a lot
of money after bad.
886
00:48:42,830 --> 00:48:44,100
In the end, we had to say no.
887
00:48:45,140 --> 00:48:46,180
The result?
888
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,000
We ran out of cash.
889
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:51,940
Therefore, we were
heading for insolvency.
890
00:48:53,085 --> 00:48:56,720
And that's at the point when
things got very serious indeed.
891
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:03,910
We have a group right
now that has got the ability to
892
00:49:03,911 --> 00:49:07,960
come up with for sure $30
million and upwards of there.
893
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,420
During this whole process, John's
back was really up against the wall.
894
00:49:13,820 --> 00:49:17,100
He had to figure out a way to pay some of
the money back to the British government
895
00:49:17,101 --> 00:49:19,583
as well as present to
them a feasible way to
896
00:49:19,584 --> 00:49:22,661
keep the company open
and make it profitable.
897
00:49:22,725 --> 00:49:27,460
Or else they were threatening to come in,
seize the factory, liquidate the assets,
898
00:49:27,915 --> 00:49:29,476
and everyone was
going to be out of a job.
899
00:49:29,500 --> 00:49:32,160
Today, DeLorean said he is
looking for outside financing.
900
00:49:32,460 --> 00:49:35,220
All I want to do is keep the
factory open so the people can work.
901
00:49:35,300 --> 00:49:36,060
Nothing else.
902
00:49:36,140 --> 00:49:37,776
You last said that you'd
keep the factory open.
903
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:38,940
It was your last breath.
904
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:40,160
Do you still stand by that?
905
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:41,200
I'm still trying.
906
00:49:41,410 --> 00:49:43,732
During the months of
sort of August, September,
907
00:49:43,733 --> 00:49:46,421
we've had periodic
contact with John DeLorean.
908
00:49:47,110 --> 00:49:51,840
He, on a regular basis, was
coming up with potential funders.
909
00:49:51,980 --> 00:49:54,565
It's been a lot of time
and effort, but I think we're
910
00:49:54,566 --> 00:49:58,440
now just starting out on a
very successful relationship.
911
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,920
It just took a while
to put it together.
912
00:50:01,020 --> 00:50:06,560
The workers and the people closest to
him at DMC were being told, hey, listen,
913
00:50:06,700 --> 00:50:07,900
everything's going to be fine.
914
00:50:08,070 --> 00:50:10,260
I definitely have the
sources coming through.
915
00:50:10,261 --> 00:50:14,315
And we were still at
the stage where we were
916
00:50:14,316 --> 00:50:17,920
hoping and hoping
that it would go all right.
917
00:50:18,235 --> 00:50:20,706
In terms of having, you
know, the first 10 million,
918
00:50:20,707 --> 00:50:23,341
it sounds like that's
got to be Tuesday, right?
919
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,220
I would say I should be able
to get that going very quick.
920
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:28,809
The impression we got at
that time was that John had
921
00:50:28,810 --> 00:50:34,360
pretty well got the money
by the 17th of October, 1982.
922
00:50:55,570 --> 00:50:56,570
Hello?
923
00:51:00,750 --> 00:51:01,750
What?
924
00:51:10,180 --> 00:51:11,260
What are you talking about?
925
00:51:12,740 --> 00:51:16,100
We were in the city,
in the apartment at 834.
926
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:18,500
Phone rings.
927
00:51:20,170 --> 00:51:21,240
Mom, who was that?
928
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,900
And one phone call.
929
00:51:27,660 --> 00:51:28,660
My life changed forever.
930
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:34,300
John DeLorean was arrested yesterday after
he met with undercover drug agents who
931
00:51:34,301 --> 00:51:37,800
DeLorean apparently thought were going
to help him make a huge profit in a cocaine
932
00:51:37,801 --> 00:51:40,660
deal, involving more
than 100 kilos of cocaine.
933
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,865
DeLorean's wife, Christina
Ferrari, an actress and
934
00:51:43,866 --> 00:51:46,400
model, arrived in Los
Angeles early this morning.
935
00:51:47,780 --> 00:51:49,880
I just found out
a few hours ago.
936
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:51,040
I know nothing.
937
00:51:51,100 --> 00:51:52,100
I caught a plane.
938
00:51:52,180 --> 00:51:52,640
I'm here.
939
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,460
Everybody was in total shock.
940
00:51:55,340 --> 00:51:59,300
Never in our wildest dreams did we
think anything like this would occur.
941
00:51:59,660 --> 00:52:02,145
John DeLorean may be
the perfect proof of the old
942
00:52:02,225 --> 00:52:04,620
saying, the bigger they
come, the harder they fall.
943
00:52:04,621 --> 00:52:07,260
And we might add, the more
people want to hear about it.
944
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,000
It was just disbelief.
945
00:52:10,610 --> 00:52:14,660
And then the news just progressively
got worse and worse and worse.
946
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:20,680
He was expressing an interest in financing
some type of operation that would produce
947
00:52:20,681 --> 00:52:24,860
quickly large sums of money
on return from the investment.
948
00:52:25,850 --> 00:52:32,500
I was shocked out of my socks
to see him there in this position.
949
00:52:32,501 --> 00:52:36,560
I'd never seen him in anything except
being pretty much on top of the world.
950
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:41,740
The sensational case involves more
than 200 pounds of cocaine, an elaborate
951
00:52:41,741 --> 00:52:46,200
undercover investigation, the end of
the DeLorean car, and much, much more.
952
00:52:52,455 --> 00:52:58,051
It's been said, it's a cliché now, that
the dream had turned into a nightmare.
953
00:52:58,930 --> 00:53:05,070
Could you imagine how we felt seeing
John DeLorean, our angel, if you like?
954
00:53:05,890 --> 00:53:06,550
There he was.
955
00:53:06,551 --> 00:53:07,551
Going away.
956
00:53:07,620 --> 00:53:13,670
And everybody was downtrodden because
we felt sure that he had done so much,
957
00:53:14,250 --> 00:53:15,250
he'd come through again.
958
00:53:16,215 --> 00:53:18,670
But this time,
unfortunately, he didn't.
959
00:53:20,170 --> 00:53:21,866
Well, you're walking out of
the plant for the last time today.
960
00:53:21,890 --> 00:53:22,670
How do you feel about it?
961
00:53:22,750 --> 00:53:23,750
Pretty upset.
962
00:53:24,590 --> 00:53:26,510
What are your chances
of getting another job now?
963
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:27,790
Not very good at all.
964
00:53:28,420 --> 00:53:31,510
I had to go into the plant that
morning, call the people together.
965
00:53:32,235 --> 00:53:33,990
They'd all heard the
same thing, of course.
966
00:53:35,340 --> 00:53:36,530
And it really wasn't.
967
00:53:36,550 --> 00:53:37,550
It was the end.
968
00:53:38,385 --> 00:53:41,462
I was going round with
the auctioneer and he
969
00:53:41,463 --> 00:53:45,011
was putting tags on
every piece of equipment.
970
00:53:46,065 --> 00:53:47,065
And that was my last day.
971
00:53:49,685 --> 00:53:53,850
The expectation of everybody working their
hearts out over there to get these cars
972
00:53:53,851 --> 00:53:58,450
built to a good standard and
they felt it was going to be their life.
973
00:54:00,630 --> 00:54:02,870
And it all fell apart and
it was incredibly sad.
974
00:54:06,430 --> 00:54:12,530
I met up with people now and then
that either they worked there or their dad
975
00:54:12,531 --> 00:54:14,251
worked there or their
granddad worked there.
976
00:54:15,060 --> 00:54:16,166
And they got the same questions.
977
00:54:16,190 --> 00:54:17,190
What was it really like?
978
00:54:17,390 --> 00:54:18,670
It was the best job we ever had.
979
00:54:20,590 --> 00:54:23,310
And it was the worst day of
their lives when it finally closed.
980
00:54:28,290 --> 00:54:31,790
After entering a plea of not guilty
to all nine drug charges against him,
981
00:54:32,010 --> 00:54:35,590
John DeLorean came out of the federal
courthouse in Los Angeles with his wife,
982
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:37,816
model Christina Farrar,
and the four lawyers
983
00:54:37,817 --> 00:54:39,610
who are now putting
together his defense.
984
00:54:40,070 --> 00:54:42,569
DeLorean said nothing today,
but he is reported to have
985
00:54:42,570 --> 00:54:44,791
told his lawyers he was
desperate to save his company.
986
00:54:45,330 --> 00:54:48,330
DeLorean's lawyers are preparing to
argue the government entrapped DeLorean.
987
00:54:50,670 --> 00:54:54,650
It was the case of the
century for that year.
988
00:54:55,250 --> 00:54:58,350
Because every year has a case
of the century, trial of the century.
989
00:54:59,370 --> 00:55:01,750
So we were the trial
of the century for 1984.
990
00:55:02,470 --> 00:55:04,988
The sidewalks in front of
the courthouse will be jammed
991
00:55:04,989 --> 00:55:07,610
with reporters and camera
crews from all over the world.
992
00:55:07,850 --> 00:55:10,031
Unless you were there
and you lived it, you
993
00:55:10,032 --> 00:55:13,191
don't know how captivating
it was for the nation.
994
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:16,170
A young entrepreneur started hanging
around the courthouse steps today,
995
00:55:16,370 --> 00:55:18,390
hawking buttons
that say, John Z.
996
00:55:18,430 --> 00:55:21,210
DeLorean cocaine trafficking
trial, Los Angeles, 84.
997
00:55:21,765 --> 00:55:26,299
Our public views these
as, if it's a bad guy, get
998
00:55:26,379 --> 00:55:29,530
him, and if it's not a bad
guy, get the government.
999
00:55:29,590 --> 00:55:32,050
It's all really kind of
entertainment to the public.
1000
00:55:32,365 --> 00:55:36,416
John DeLorean had some
bad news, the automobile
1001
00:55:36,417 --> 00:55:39,051
association named
him dealer of the year.
1002
00:55:41,830 --> 00:55:45,310
A businessman down on his luck
tries to make money in a dope deal.
1003
00:55:45,590 --> 00:55:48,430
I mean, that's the John
DeLorean that I knew.
1004
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:51,870
The case was of
overwhelming strength.
1005
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:58,250
Here's the cocaine, and here's your
target, and he's holding up a glass of
1006
00:55:58,251 --> 00:56:03,930
champagne, toasting,
and says that this is bad.
1007
00:56:04,270 --> 00:56:05,470
Better than, what was it?
1008
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:08,171
Better than something,
uh... Better than gold?
1009
00:56:08,730 --> 00:56:10,130
Gold is more than that.
1010
00:56:11,690 --> 00:56:14,294
Everybody believed that
the events were showing
1011
00:56:14,295 --> 00:56:17,311
John DeLorean in the
middle of a drug deal.
1012
00:56:17,685 --> 00:56:21,524
One of the things I asked the
jurors very early on was, would
1013
00:56:21,525 --> 00:56:24,570
it surprise you if I told you
you weren't seeing a drug deal?
1014
00:56:25,020 --> 00:56:29,341
And just hang on and watch
the whole movie, and at the
1015
00:56:29,342 --> 00:56:32,190
end, you're gonna see it
isn't what it appeared to be.
1016
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:33,530
A real thriller.
1017
00:56:34,270 --> 00:56:35,910
Of course, which
it turned out to be.
1018
00:56:43,140 --> 00:56:47,400
The case starts with a
guy named James Hoffman.
1019
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:49,860
He was the informant.
1020
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,000
He was somebody who
had been a major narcotics
1021
00:56:54,001 --> 00:56:57,161
trafficker who had the
bad luck of being caught.
1022
00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:59,400
And he decided to cooperate.
1023
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:00,560
Velestra.
1024
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,660
Mr. Velestra, it's Tim
Hoffman, your favorite C.I.
1025
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:05,220
Uh-huh.
1026
00:57:05,260 --> 00:57:07,320
You're not gonna believe
who I had a call with.
1027
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:10,880
John DeLorean.
1028
00:57:11,290 --> 00:57:16,700
When I got the call from the
C.I., it was a neighbor of his.
1029
00:57:17,350 --> 00:57:19,640
We were neighbors
out here in California.
1030
00:57:20,700 --> 00:57:23,020
I was across from his
ranch in Palma Valley.
1031
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,840
He says to me, the C.I., that,
John, you need some money.
1032
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:29,200
And the imprints of
drugs was right there.
1033
00:57:29,420 --> 00:57:32,300
You've seen the kind of dire
straits his company's in right now.
1034
00:57:33,090 --> 00:57:34,090
He needs cash bad.
1035
00:57:34,780 --> 00:57:37,040
And he doesn't care
where it comes from.
1036
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:38,880
You know, he's gonna be there.
1037
00:57:38,881 --> 00:57:41,160
He'll be back in Palma
Valley at his ranch next week.
1038
00:57:41,260 --> 00:57:42,020
He wants to meet me.
1039
00:57:42,255 --> 00:57:43,380
We've already set it up.
1040
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:44,440
Seriously, Jim?
1041
00:57:44,660 --> 00:57:45,660
You kidding me?
1042
00:57:45,935 --> 00:57:46,935
My hands are gone.
1043
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:48,680
This is happening.
1044
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,200
I said, well, see
what he's got to say.
1045
00:57:51,380 --> 00:57:51,800
Go ahead.
1046
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:52,910
See what he has to say.
1047
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:54,640
Have I ever done you
guys wrong before?
1048
00:57:55,660 --> 00:57:56,660
I'll be in touch.
1049
00:57:59,940 --> 00:58:01,700
So at this point, it's 1982.
1050
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,120
Reagan's just announced
the war on drugs.
1051
00:58:05,121 --> 00:58:06,908
We're all together in a
comprehensive attack
1052
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,560
on drug trafficking
and organized crime.
1053
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:13,260
In this time period, a confidential
informant like James Hoffman can actually
1054
00:58:13,261 --> 00:58:17,160
make a living by introducing
the DEA to high-level criminals.
1055
00:58:17,380 --> 00:58:18,380
John.
1056
00:58:19,110 --> 00:58:20,400
John, great to see you.
1057
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:21,220
You too, Jim.
1058
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:22,120
Been a while.
1059
00:58:22,300 --> 00:58:25,200
And in this case, it's the
perfect storm for John DeLorean.
1060
00:58:28,110 --> 00:58:33,280
When Jim first approached John, it
seemed like a very far-fetched idea
1061
00:58:33,281 --> 00:58:35,001
that he'd actually be
able to help John out.
1062
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:36,160
These investors...
1063
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:40,780
But Jim was throwing out some
numbers that seemed very alluring to John.
1064
00:58:40,900 --> 00:58:43,220
10, 20, 50 million.
1065
00:58:44,100 --> 00:58:48,440
I thought your investors might like to see
these brochures that we have made up that
1066
00:58:48,690 --> 00:58:51,800
really can show you how we're
all set to... Yeah, there's no need.
1067
00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:56,360
They're not exactly the kind of
guys that get hung up on paperwork.
1068
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:58,480
They're Colombian.
1069
00:59:00,900 --> 00:59:02,160
They in the coffee business?
1070
00:59:02,860 --> 00:59:03,900
You might say that.
1071
00:59:05,180 --> 00:59:09,520
They met, and the first
conversation was not recorded.
1072
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:11,860
So we don't really
know what was said.
1073
00:59:13,050 --> 00:59:15,380
And it was when Hoffman
then met with DeLorean.
1074
00:59:16,025 --> 00:59:18,825
At that point, Hoffman
comes back to Valestra
1075
00:59:18,837 --> 00:59:21,221
and says, yeah, he
wants to talk dope.
1076
00:59:21,290 --> 00:59:21,980
I said, really?
1077
00:59:22,275 --> 00:59:27,960
I mean, well, if he said that, we
better let him say it again somewhere.
1078
00:59:29,020 --> 00:59:30,020
Which we did.
1079
00:59:30,300 --> 00:59:31,320
Yeah, how you doing?
1080
00:59:31,420 --> 00:59:31,820
Well, great.
1081
00:59:31,940 --> 00:59:32,320
How you doing?
1082
00:59:32,340 --> 00:59:33,340
Interrupting your lunch?
1083
00:59:33,615 --> 00:59:38,100
And then September 4th, the
meeting at the LaFont Plaza takes place.
1084
00:59:38,450 --> 00:59:40,780
That's a one-on-one
meeting with the C.I.
1085
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:41,800
and John.
1086
00:59:42,350 --> 00:59:45,075
There aren't many people
that can pick up the phone and
1087
00:59:45,076 --> 00:59:47,501
get $30 million in three or
four days without all I have.
1088
00:59:47,580 --> 00:59:49,460
I can't think of
any to be honest.
1089
00:59:51,070 --> 00:59:53,600
That video is
pretty explicit stuff.
1090
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:55,300
The C.I.
1091
00:59:55,340 --> 00:59:56,340
writes it all out.
1092
00:59:56,410 --> 00:59:59,340
And the scenarios are
right there on the paper.
1093
00:59:59,660 --> 01:00:03,000
So we can take 34 kilos of
1094
01:00:16,370 --> 01:00:16,610
40...
1095
01:00:17,050 --> 01:00:22,730
During this period of time, John now
is supposed to come up with the 1.8 mil.
1096
01:00:23,465 --> 01:00:24,545
That was where it was left.
1097
01:00:25,180 --> 01:00:26,860
So you'd have to put
some skin in the game.
1098
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:48,400
Government attorneys in the John DeLorean
trial today introduced a videotape that is
1099
01:00:48,401 --> 01:00:50,841
perhaps the most damaging
evidence against the auto executive.
1100
01:00:51,150 --> 01:00:54,200
The tape was played as part of the
testimony of James Hoffman, a paid
1101
01:00:54,201 --> 01:00:57,100
undercover informer who is the
government's key witness against DeLorean.
1102
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,280
Defense attorneys described
the meeting in Washington, D.C.
1103
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,440
between John DeLorean and the
undercover informant as a clever lure.
1104
01:01:03,700 --> 01:01:07,420
And as for DeLorean's participation in
that discussion, the defense team says
1105
01:01:07,421 --> 01:01:10,580
there's no harm in listening to
someone else talk about a drug deal.
1106
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,775
For three months during
the trial, we moved to my
1107
01:01:19,776 --> 01:01:22,940
grandmother's grandfather's
house in Brentwood.
1108
01:01:23,570 --> 01:01:25,640
You know, I play it all
out in my head all the time.
1109
01:01:26,270 --> 01:01:29,443
Something will come up
and I'll start thinking about
1110
01:01:29,444 --> 01:01:31,821
stuff and it'll spark a
memory or trigger something.
1111
01:01:32,910 --> 01:01:36,000
Guys, no matter what happens,
hey, we're gonna be fine.
1112
01:01:37,290 --> 01:01:38,380
Everything's gonna be fine.
1113
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,280
My father was looking
at hardcore time.
1114
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:47,597
And to my parents'
credit, they did what they
1115
01:01:47,598 --> 01:01:51,080
could to make it as best
a situation as they could.
1116
01:01:52,370 --> 01:01:55,520
How the fuck do you tell
your kid that shit ain't okay?
1117
01:01:57,290 --> 01:02:00,760
He just asked me if we're
both coming back from court or...
1118
01:02:00,835 --> 01:02:02,840
I am not going away for this.
1119
01:02:02,900 --> 01:02:05,484
The jury will see how
asinine this whole thing is and
1120
01:02:05,485 --> 01:02:08,280
how they've set up an
innocent man for God's sakes.
1121
01:02:10,980 --> 01:02:12,500
Now, what do you
think about this tie?
1122
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:15,800
It's fine.
1123
01:02:16,730 --> 01:02:17,780
You sure the brown works?
1124
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:19,550
I mean, I had a blue one on
when I stamped this picture,
1125
01:02:19,551 --> 01:02:21,441
but you can't tell because
it's in black or white.
1126
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:23,840
Either way.
1127
01:02:23,915 --> 01:02:25,440
I don't want it to read black.
1128
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,320
I mean, I don't want to
send the wrong message.
1129
01:02:28,010 --> 01:02:29,010
To who, the judge?
1130
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:29,800
Oh, to everyone.
1131
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,400
Next time they stamp my picture,
it could be a magazine cover.
1132
01:02:32,650 --> 01:02:34,100
John, either one works fine.
1133
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:35,700
Because it'll be in
color if it's in black.
1134
01:02:35,701 --> 01:02:36,701
Hey!
1135
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:38,760
You have to talk
to the children.
1136
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,280
Catherine, come and give
Mommy a hug, sweetie.
1137
01:02:50,340 --> 01:02:51,340
She seems pretty upset.
1138
01:02:55,020 --> 01:02:57,562
And, Zack, I know
you're worried, but I need
1139
01:02:57,563 --> 01:02:59,780
you pulling for your
old man to win this thing.
1140
01:02:59,900 --> 01:03:00,900
All right?
1141
01:03:00,930 --> 01:03:02,410
I just want to go
back to New Jersey.
1142
01:03:02,540 --> 01:03:03,280
So do I.
1143
01:03:03,550 --> 01:03:05,156
And we will as soon
as this thing is over.
1144
01:03:05,180 --> 01:03:05,480
All right?
1145
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,000
Zack, look at me.
1146
01:03:08,340 --> 01:03:09,060
Your dad's in New Jersey.
1147
01:03:09,061 --> 01:03:10,061
He's a winner, right?
1148
01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:17,460
For me, it's a double-edged
sword that I walk all the time.
1149
01:03:18,130 --> 01:03:19,810
The evidence is there
that they set him up.
1150
01:03:22,950 --> 01:03:28,040
But common sense and reality tells me
that he's not a fucking idiot, that he must
1151
01:03:28,041 --> 01:03:29,980
have known something
was fucked up at some time.
1152
01:03:30,420 --> 01:03:32,200
I'm going to wear
the blue tie, okay?
1153
01:03:32,965 --> 01:03:36,285
So it's like, you know, how the fuck could
you put our family in jeopardy like that?
1154
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:41,140
Twenty-one days into the John DeLorean
cocaine trial, defense attorney Howard
1155
01:03:41,141 --> 01:03:43,300
Weitzman says there's no
question that John DeLorean
1156
01:03:43,301 --> 01:03:45,461
can be seen and heard on
tape talking about narcotics.
1157
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:48,982
But he says the question is,
how far can the government
1158
01:03:48,983 --> 01:03:51,221
go in dangling a lure in
front of a desperate man?
1159
01:03:51,505 --> 01:03:55,460
When I look back at this case,
Hoffman had said, if you give me,
1160
01:03:55,980 --> 01:03:58,140
you know, a million and a half,
two million dollars, three million
1161
01:03:58,141 --> 01:04:01,300
dollars, I can get you 10,
15, 20 million dollars back.
1162
01:04:02,060 --> 01:04:03,140
John didn't have the money.
1163
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:07,340
And logic would tell you that
that's the end of the investigation.
1164
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:20,340
Are you sure about this?
1165
01:04:20,341 --> 01:04:21,701
I'm sure he can't
put any cash in.
1166
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:27,340
At this point, I don't think DeLorean
can scrounge 20 Gs, let alone two million.
1167
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:31,538
Listen, I've been
pouring through all these
1168
01:04:31,539 --> 01:04:33,601
tapes, and I just don't
think we have them yet.
1169
01:04:34,450 --> 01:04:35,490
He's got it in collateral.
1170
01:04:36,700 --> 01:04:40,320
Okay, but if collateral's all we get,
then it's got to equal at least that much.
1171
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:43,980
Listen to me.
1172
01:04:44,540 --> 01:04:45,660
We've got to get it on tape.
1173
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:47,600
This is my first rodeo, Jerry.
1174
01:04:47,820 --> 01:04:48,940
I know how it works.
1175
01:04:50,340 --> 01:04:54,680
I'm just saying, until now, he's been real
careful about how he parses all his words,
1176
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:56,260
so...
1177
01:04:56,710 --> 01:04:58,520
Look, it's different
than a phone call now.
1178
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:00,720
He's about to walk
into a real bank.
1179
01:05:01,180 --> 01:05:04,200
He knows Eureka's legit, so he
won't for one second think that I'm not.
1180
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,840
Still, the more drug references
you can slip in, the better.
1181
01:05:07,420 --> 01:05:08,420
We got this, Jerry.
1182
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:16,780
Throughout the entire thing, they
had to continue changing the script.
1183
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:19,241
It wasn't going to be,
here's the two million dollars,
1184
01:05:19,242 --> 01:05:21,380
here's the drug money
back, boom, you're arrested.
1185
01:05:21,830 --> 01:05:25,700
So then it turned into James
Hoffman, the C.I., convincing him, hey,
1186
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:27,280
I know this crooked banker.
1187
01:05:27,540 --> 01:05:28,540
Hey, John.
1188
01:05:28,620 --> 01:05:29,620
Hi, Jim.
1189
01:05:29,860 --> 01:05:30,920
Great to see you.
1190
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:31,300
You too.
1191
01:05:31,500 --> 01:05:32,976
Have you been here
in this area before?
1192
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:34,060
I've been in San Jose.
1193
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:39,800
The Dorian case was just one of other
cases that I was involved in from the
1194
01:05:39,801 --> 01:05:43,160
standpoint of being an undercover
operator working at a bank.
1195
01:05:43,260 --> 01:05:46,080
So the bank provided the
perfect undercover front.
1196
01:05:46,435 --> 01:05:50,380
Finally, shall we say, got
together after all this time?
1197
01:05:50,500 --> 01:05:52,320
Yeah, after so many
conversations, right?
1198
01:05:52,580 --> 01:05:53,780
Can I get you a cup of coffee?
1199
01:05:54,140 --> 01:05:55,874
At this point of the
story, John's not
1200
01:05:55,886 --> 01:05:57,900
going to put any actual
money into the game.
1201
01:05:58,115 --> 01:05:59,840
He can potentially
put up collateral.
1202
01:06:00,470 --> 01:06:05,560
Ben Tisa is the one that's supposed to now
set up an alternative situation for John.
1203
01:06:06,110 --> 01:06:07,990
Let me give you a
background on what I intended.
1204
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,609
The background of the
individual I had in mind and how
1205
01:06:10,610 --> 01:06:14,240
I think it may help you
and this other transaction.
1206
01:06:14,740 --> 01:06:17,060
We had a particular suspect.
1207
01:06:17,061 --> 01:06:21,640
His name was Hetrick, who was a
pilot who flew cocaine in from Colombia.
1208
01:06:22,190 --> 01:06:25,180
This particular individual has
been very successful in his business.
1209
01:06:26,225 --> 01:06:28,620
So the idea came in,
well, maybe the dope
1210
01:06:28,621 --> 01:06:30,980
dealer would invest in
John DeLorean's company.
1211
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:35,180
John DeLorean being told that the money
was going to come from sale of cocaine.
1212
01:06:35,700 --> 01:06:38,400
Just so that the cars on the
table know exactly what's going on.
1213
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,240
It was very successful
in bringing in the cocaine.
1214
01:06:43,780 --> 01:06:48,900
Would it be possible to allow
this gentleman to have, say, a...
1215
01:06:49,100 --> 01:06:51,160
some stock options?
1216
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:51,740
Here's what I have.
1217
01:06:51,820 --> 01:06:52,140
Oh, sure.
1218
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,580
I don't think we could do that
in our public company, but I...
1219
01:06:54,581 --> 01:06:56,981
I see no reason why I couldn't
do it from my private company.
1220
01:06:57,220 --> 01:06:57,580
Great.
1221
01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:58,080
That's great.
1222
01:06:58,280 --> 01:06:59,280
That works.
1223
01:06:59,790 --> 01:07:02,459
In John's mind, once
again, the genius at
1224
01:07:02,460 --> 01:07:05,240
bending the rules,
finding the little loophole.
1225
01:07:05,425 --> 01:07:09,257
Hey, I'll take this money,
even if it comes from drug
1226
01:07:09,258 --> 01:07:11,681
folks, but it's coming
through a legitimate bank.
1227
01:07:11,860 --> 01:07:12,120
Hello.
1228
01:07:12,220 --> 01:07:12,800
John DeLorean.
1229
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:13,620
Morgan Hetrick.
1230
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:14,260
Hi, Morgan.
1231
01:07:14,340 --> 01:07:14,620
How are you?
1232
01:07:14,780 --> 01:07:14,940
How are you doing?
1233
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:15,380
Nice to meet you.
1234
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:15,600
How are you?
1235
01:07:16,380 --> 01:07:17,500
Enter Morgan Hetrick.
1236
01:07:17,650 --> 01:07:19,907
He was somebody that
was flying in hundreds and
1237
01:07:19,908 --> 01:07:22,660
hundreds of pounds of
cocaine from South America.
1238
01:07:23,010 --> 01:07:27,900
So the government felt that at that point,
that was the best opportunity to bring
1239
01:07:27,901 --> 01:07:31,900
both John and Hetrick
down, is to merge the cases.
1240
01:07:32,685 --> 01:07:36,971
The government told Hetrick
that John had put in $2 million,
1241
01:07:36,972 --> 01:07:39,840
and that he wanted to do
this drug deal with Hetrick.
1242
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:41,040
Because he's already given me.
1243
01:07:41,060 --> 01:07:42,116
I've mentioned that to him.
1244
01:07:42,140 --> 01:07:43,420
I've had the 1.8.
1245
01:07:43,421 --> 01:07:44,120
I'm sitting on it.
1246
01:07:44,340 --> 01:07:46,220
And it's cash in hand.
1247
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:47,280
I have it.
1248
01:07:48,770 --> 01:07:53,520
And he was given an opportunity to
stay in the deal without putting money in.
1249
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:56,900
And he took it.
1250
01:07:57,060 --> 01:07:59,540
You can't go wrong with something
you make a lot of money with.
1251
01:08:17,535 --> 01:08:22,060
So in terms of the drug case, you've
got hours of phone conversations, hours of
1252
01:08:22,061 --> 01:08:27,220
videotape showing John with these
drug dealers and crooked bankers.
1253
01:08:27,540 --> 01:08:28,540
Is the feed secure?
1254
01:08:30,480 --> 01:08:32,456
You sure he's not going to be able
to hear anything through this wall?
1255
01:08:32,480 --> 01:08:34,780
John still hasn't given
the government anything.
1256
01:08:34,781 --> 01:08:37,480
So they have to introduce
this new character.
1257
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:39,520
This sort of mob
drug dealer guy.
1258
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:40,480
Showtime.
1259
01:08:40,890 --> 01:08:42,930
Who's really going to crank
the pressure up on John.
1260
01:08:46,480 --> 01:08:47,480
Nice to meet you.
1261
01:08:47,580 --> 01:08:48,960
Oh, it's my pleasure.
1262
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:57,034
When I meet him at
the hotel room, I would
1263
01:08:57,035 --> 01:09:01,160
be the one that would
be handling the drugs.
1264
01:09:02,550 --> 01:09:04,070
All Jim had to do
was put it together.
1265
01:09:04,930 --> 01:09:07,260
Get a finder's fee, whatever.
1266
01:09:08,460 --> 01:09:14,160
And me and my network would be
going out to quadruple our investment.
1267
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:16,720
We're ready to
consummate the interview.
1268
01:09:22,390 --> 01:09:23,550
I'm asking for what?
1269
01:09:24,570 --> 01:09:25,230
What are you putting up?
1270
01:09:25,570 --> 01:09:26,890
There's no more money from you.
1271
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:29,080
There's no free lunch either.
1272
01:09:29,470 --> 01:09:30,670
Yeah, there's no free lunch.
1273
01:09:36,850 --> 01:09:40,490
At this point in the story, each
participant in this deal is trying to
1274
01:09:40,590 --> 01:09:43,730
outsmart and outmaneuver the
other person for their own gain.
1275
01:09:46,950 --> 01:09:48,670
John wants to get money
to save his company.
1276
01:09:48,810 --> 01:09:51,550
You've got Jim Hoffman, who's
leeching off of the government.
1277
01:09:51,750 --> 01:09:55,910
He begins to enjoy this
lifestyle of working with the feds.
1278
01:09:57,010 --> 01:09:59,894
And then the feds,
they're trying to have that
1279
01:09:59,895 --> 01:10:03,251
big, big case for Reagan
to tout his war on drugs.
1280
01:10:03,290 --> 01:10:06,730
So everyone is hungry for that
one thing that they want out of this.
1281
01:10:08,230 --> 01:10:12,170
When you analyze a case
like this, you realize, wait.
1282
01:10:12,390 --> 01:10:16,930
The informant kind of created this
with the government working with him.
1283
01:10:16,950 --> 01:10:17,970
And it didn't work.
1284
01:10:18,420 --> 01:10:20,990
So they went to a savings
and loan, legitimate bank.
1285
01:10:21,570 --> 01:10:24,870
Got them to let him use the premises,
you know, like a set in the movie.
1286
01:10:25,950 --> 01:10:28,870
Phase three, they put John
together with Morgan Hetrick.
1287
01:10:29,110 --> 01:10:32,430
A legitimate, by legitimate
I mean a real smuggler.
1288
01:10:32,910 --> 01:10:35,930
Then they bring in the DEA.
1289
01:10:36,570 --> 01:10:39,290
And John Ballester
becomes kind of a mafioso.
1290
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:44,890
And what they finally came up with, so John
would get his 10, 15, 20 million dollars.
1291
01:10:45,370 --> 01:10:46,730
Is they got him to put up...
1292
01:10:46,950 --> 01:10:47,950
Stock certificates.
1293
01:10:57,830 --> 01:11:03,754
John, with his lawyers, corporate
lawyer, gives them worthless
1294
01:11:03,755 --> 01:11:07,330
DeLorean stock in a defunct
company that had no assets.
1295
01:11:08,170 --> 01:11:09,250
Worthless papers.
1296
01:11:10,670 --> 01:11:14,170
And the con was
reversed in John's mind.
1297
01:11:15,150 --> 01:11:16,730
So he's putting up zero.
1298
01:11:17,525 --> 01:11:20,410
Mr. Hetrick, the smuggler,
goes and gets the cocaine.
1299
01:11:20,790 --> 01:11:22,410
And then they call DeLorean.
1300
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:24,240
You still on the east coast?
1301
01:11:24,370 --> 01:11:26,450
I'm on the east coast and I
can do anything you want.
1302
01:11:27,130 --> 01:11:34,050
It might be conducive to you being
close by when this thing goes down.
1303
01:11:34,390 --> 01:11:37,270
And they say to him,
come to Los Angeles.
1304
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:39,230
We have 10 million
dollars for you.
1305
01:11:39,250 --> 01:11:40,250
Come get your money.
1306
01:11:40,450 --> 01:11:44,010
Maybe we'll pop a
bottle of champagne.
1307
01:11:44,011 --> 01:11:45,990
That would be wonderful.
1308
01:11:46,250 --> 01:11:47,530
Sit back and relax.
1309
01:11:51,890 --> 01:11:55,810
And DeLorean, who can only think about,
I gotta get the money to the company,
1310
01:11:55,950 --> 01:11:56,950
comes to LA.
1311
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:03,380
And the government picked
him up, took him to a hotel room,
1312
01:12:03,381 --> 01:12:08,030
opened a bottle of champagne,
toasted to their success.
1313
01:12:10,630 --> 01:12:15,410
And one of the agents said,
John, here's the fruits of our efforts.
1314
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:17,430
So John, what
we're talking about...
1315
01:12:23,445 --> 01:12:28,180
And went to the closet, brought out
the suitcase of cocaine and opened it up.
1316
01:12:28,500 --> 01:12:33,308
Between this and the other
half, it's gonna generate
1317
01:12:33,348 --> 01:12:36,320
about four and a half, not
less than four and a half mil.
1318
01:12:42,140 --> 01:12:43,520
This is better than gold.
1319
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:46,240
Gold weighs more than
that for God's sakes.
1320
01:12:48,100 --> 01:12:50,340
That's when DeLorean
said, this is like gold.
1321
01:12:50,341 --> 01:12:51,341
Gold is better than gold.
1322
01:12:55,900 --> 01:12:57,600
Classic line on that tape.
1323
01:12:58,760 --> 01:12:59,760
Hi John.
1324
01:13:00,500 --> 01:13:01,500
Jerry West.
1325
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:02,600
I'm with the FBI.
1326
01:13:03,780 --> 01:13:05,020
And then he was arrested.
1327
01:13:05,890 --> 01:13:08,260
So he wasn't gonna
take the drugs.
1328
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:10,620
He didn't get the
ten million dollars.
1329
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:13,260
And he never was
supposed to take the drugs.
1330
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:14,920
He was only supposed
to get the money.
1331
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:19,960
So why would they bring the
drugs out and show them to him?
1332
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:22,240
And the answer is pretty simple.
1333
01:13:22,260 --> 01:13:25,791
Well, if you're dealing with
twelve lay people in a jury box,
1334
01:13:25,792 --> 01:13:28,420
you're gonna make them
think this was all part of the deal.
1335
01:13:35,260 --> 01:13:37,900
John DeLorean says
it's all in God's hands.
1336
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:42,060
That was his reaction today when six men
and six women began deliberating his case.
1337
01:13:42,450 --> 01:13:45,002
The jurors, who appeared
relaxed when they arrived for court
1338
01:13:45,003 --> 01:13:47,860
today, began their deliberations
shortly before 10 a.m.
1339
01:13:47,861 --> 01:13:48,861
Los Angeles time.
1340
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:51,285
Outside court, John
DeLorean's attorney, Howard
1341
01:13:51,286 --> 01:13:53,560
Weitzman, expressed the
mood on the defense side.
1342
01:13:53,561 --> 01:13:57,980
This is a very difficult time when a case
goes to the jury because you never really
1343
01:13:57,981 --> 01:14:01,060
know what they're thinking
or what they're interested in.
1344
01:14:01,220 --> 01:14:05,960
These are very hard cases, and
it requires a unanimous verdict.
1345
01:14:06,220 --> 01:14:10,360
If he got convicted, he would have
received a pretty stiff prison sentence,
1346
01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:10,960
for sure.
1347
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:15,140
And the government was
very confident in their case.
1348
01:14:15,420 --> 01:14:19,260
Throughout the case, the DeLorean defense
is hammered away at the tactics used by
1349
01:14:19,261 --> 01:14:22,140
federal agents in their undercover
investigation of John DeLorean.
1350
01:14:22,141 --> 01:14:26,660
Weitzman asked for acquittal, saying the
government is, in a sense, on trial here.
1351
01:14:27,125 --> 01:14:32,840
We did not believe there was an
entrapment defense in this case.
1352
01:14:33,110 --> 01:14:34,660
That was a throwaway defense.
1353
01:14:35,500 --> 01:14:37,790
After the long trial,
DeLorean's lawyer said
1354
01:14:37,791 --> 01:14:40,100
he'll be stunned whichever
way the jury votes.
1355
01:14:40,380 --> 01:14:42,300
John DeLorean
put it more simply.
1356
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:43,520
John, how do you feel?
1357
01:14:44,180 --> 01:14:45,500
The hands of the Lord.
1358
01:15:04,350 --> 01:15:06,270
In the matter of
the United States v.
1359
01:15:06,410 --> 01:15:07,010
John Z.
1360
01:15:07,050 --> 01:15:09,570
DeLorean, the jury
finds the defendant...
1361
01:15:11,765 --> 01:15:13,230
not guilty on all eight counts.
1362
01:15:16,050 --> 01:15:17,310
Praise the Lord.
1363
01:15:57,770 --> 01:15:58,770
Come on, boys.
1364
01:15:59,310 --> 01:16:00,310
Back up.
1365
01:16:00,470 --> 01:16:01,110
Back up.
1366
01:16:01,170 --> 01:16:02,170
We got a guest.
1367
01:16:02,730 --> 01:16:03,730
Yeah!
1368
01:16:05,910 --> 01:16:06,910
What's up, buddy?
1369
01:16:06,970 --> 01:16:07,810
Oh, fucker.
1370
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:08,880
There's water everywhere.
1371
01:16:09,630 --> 01:16:10,110
Sit.
1372
01:16:10,250 --> 01:16:11,250
You guys gonna chill?
1373
01:16:11,630 --> 01:16:11,870
Sit.
1374
01:16:12,450 --> 01:16:12,850
Uh...
1375
01:16:13,300 --> 01:16:14,970
Well, yeah, this is my, uh...
1376
01:16:15,430 --> 01:16:16,430
This is where I live.
1377
01:16:17,150 --> 01:16:18,350
You know, so...
1378
01:16:18,650 --> 01:16:20,530
It's just, it's a shitty
little apartment.
1379
01:16:20,830 --> 01:16:22,870
You know, the
paint's fucking peeling.
1380
01:16:23,620 --> 01:16:26,470
And if you find my housekeeper, tell
her she's fired, because she doesn't
1381
01:16:26,471 --> 01:16:28,970
do a good job of cleaning
the fucking place, but...
1382
01:16:29,370 --> 01:16:31,750
So it's kind of,
you know, like, uh...
1383
01:16:31,900 --> 01:16:35,197
You guys, I don't know if you've seen
the apartment or any of that stuff, but.
1384
01:16:35,780 --> 01:16:39,370
Some people know who I am and who
my family is, and then they come over,
1385
01:16:39,550 --> 01:16:41,250
they're like, what the fuck?
1386
01:16:43,480 --> 01:16:46,571
You know, and even today,
I'll see the car going down the
1387
01:16:46,631 --> 01:16:49,330
street, and I'm just like,
it's just fucking weird, man.
1388
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:53,810
For me, there's a lot behind
the meaning of that car.
1389
01:16:53,930 --> 01:16:58,611
Not just my family name on it, but
what that fucking car did to our family.
1390
01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:01,344
Are you surprised
that, um, a feature film
1391
01:17:01,345 --> 01:17:03,370
hasn't been made about
your dad and his life?
1392
01:17:03,890 --> 01:17:04,890
Yeah.
1393
01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:05,750
Yeah.
1394
01:17:06,250 --> 01:17:07,350
I mean, it's got all
the good shit in it.
1395
01:17:07,351 --> 01:17:08,351
It's got cocaine.
1396
01:17:08,450 --> 01:17:10,110
It's got fucking hot chicks.
1397
01:17:10,210 --> 01:17:11,210
It's got sports cars.
1398
01:17:11,310 --> 01:17:15,970
It's got fucking, you know, war-torn,
you know, bombed-out buildings overseas.
1399
01:17:16,250 --> 01:17:19,530
It's got fucking Margaret Thatcher,
Ronald Reagan, the war on drugs.
1400
01:17:19,570 --> 01:17:21,590
You got FBI agents.
1401
01:17:21,690 --> 01:17:24,630
You got, you know, fucking
hardcore drug dealers.
1402
01:17:25,630 --> 01:17:26,630
But...
1403
01:17:29,370 --> 01:17:31,360
my fear with Hollywood...
1404
01:17:32,510 --> 01:17:37,420
is they're gonna end it with him coming
out of the courthouse with Christina.
1405
01:17:38,490 --> 01:17:39,500
Woo-hoo, fucking acquittal.
1406
01:17:39,501 --> 01:17:40,080
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1407
01:17:40,180 --> 01:17:41,180
Fucking credits.
1408
01:17:41,440 --> 01:17:42,440
You know?
1409
01:17:42,780 --> 01:17:47,500
While that coming-out-of-the-courthouse,
you know, ticker-tape parade shit is real,
1410
01:17:49,610 --> 01:17:50,610
look at what it cost him.
1411
01:17:52,070 --> 01:17:53,620
The sting operation
fell through.
1412
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:54,800
You were acquitted.
1413
01:17:54,860 --> 01:17:58,384
Um, your wife Christina stood
by you throughout the entire
1414
01:17:58,404 --> 01:18:02,700
trial, and then, not but
several weeks later, left you.
1415
01:18:02,900 --> 01:18:03,900
Several days later.
1416
01:18:04,620 --> 01:18:05,100
Ah.
1417
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:08,421
You claim to have been
shocked that your wife Christina
1418
01:18:08,422 --> 01:18:11,360
announced her intentions to
divorce you shortly after the trial.
1419
01:18:12,115 --> 01:18:17,700
She appeared on this program,
spoke of you in the most wifely of terms.
1420
01:18:17,980 --> 01:18:18,980
Here's what she said.
1421
01:18:19,100 --> 01:18:20,900
You can't make a
judgment right now.
1422
01:18:20,980 --> 01:18:21,560
It's not fair.
1423
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:25,700
It's not fair for John, and it's not fair
for you either, because if you were in a
1424
01:18:25,701 --> 01:18:29,040
situation like this or any one of
your loved ones, you will find yourself
1425
01:18:29,041 --> 01:18:32,020
defending them as ardently
as I'm doing with John.
1426
01:18:33,450 --> 01:18:36,140
That must make you feel, at
the very least, mixed with that.
1427
01:18:36,340 --> 01:18:37,380
It makes you cry, does it?
1428
01:18:37,450 --> 01:18:39,280
Yeah, it's pretty painful.
1429
01:18:40,370 --> 01:18:45,020
At the time, if I was my mom, the carpet
just got pulled out from underneath me.
1430
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:46,700
She's 31 years old, man.
1431
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:52,080
She's still got another 8, 9, 10, 12
years of being top dog, and that whole
1432
01:18:52,081 --> 01:18:54,220
fucking career pulled
out from underneath you.
1433
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:55,980
Your whole career
has fallen apart.
1434
01:18:56,670 --> 01:18:58,620
I was at the top of my
modeling profession.
1435
01:18:58,780 --> 01:19:00,860
I've been doing it for 20 years.
1436
01:19:01,030 --> 01:19:04,360
The last 15 years, I've been at the
very top of it, commanding top money,
1437
01:19:04,460 --> 01:19:10,100
and this is July, and since January,
I've had one booking, and I've made $105.
1438
01:19:10,965 --> 01:19:13,360
No one will have anything
to do with me or my name.
1439
01:19:13,660 --> 01:19:14,660
Not at all.
1440
01:19:16,815 --> 01:19:22,660
I try not to ask my mom about my dad,
not because I think that she doesn't have
1441
01:19:22,661 --> 01:19:30,661
any good memories, more because, again,
I don't want to draw up any painful ones.
1442
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:35,745
It was terrible and tragic,
what she had to go through,
1443
01:19:35,746 --> 01:19:38,540
so she had to do something
different with her life.
1444
01:19:38,620 --> 01:19:39,940
She had to leave
all that behind.
1445
01:19:40,260 --> 01:19:43,120
Shortly after all of that,
she had her show, AMLA.
1446
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:44,960
She defined who she was.
1447
01:19:45,770 --> 01:19:48,500
She rebuilt her life, and she
rebuilt it in a fantastic way.
1448
01:19:49,610 --> 01:19:50,360
And credit to her.
1449
01:19:50,420 --> 01:19:50,820
I get it.
1450
01:19:50,860 --> 01:19:51,620
I understand it.
1451
01:19:51,780 --> 01:19:55,287
That, you know, you're
trying to keep a roof and
1452
01:19:55,288 --> 01:19:58,541
keep a normal, stable
household for your kids.
1453
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:01,440
Guess what?
1454
01:20:01,700 --> 01:20:02,700
It's fucking gone.
1455
01:20:04,750 --> 01:20:09,760
Stability and sanity left the fucking
house two years ago when he got arrested.
1456
01:20:12,510 --> 01:20:16,620
I had to do an art project for school,
and we had to do appropriation.
1457
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:19,800
So I appropriated this painting.
1458
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:24,140
And on this side, there's
photographs of everything perfect.
1459
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:30,198
And as it goes on, I
started to put in the articles
1460
01:20:30,199 --> 01:20:34,620
from this perfect life
to this destroyed life.
1461
01:20:34,780 --> 01:20:38,020
And on the bumper, it says,
destroy my childhood for DMC.
1462
01:20:43,550 --> 01:20:44,280
All right, Matt, you good?
1463
01:20:44,460 --> 01:20:45,060
Uh, yes.
1464
01:20:45,480 --> 01:20:46,840
You got any last looks on that?
1465
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:47,660
Uh, yes.
1466
01:20:47,700 --> 01:20:48,700
We're ready to go.
1467
01:20:48,780 --> 01:20:49,140
That's fine.
1468
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:49,440
Let's go.
1469
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:50,560
Let's shoot it.
1470
01:20:51,140 --> 01:20:55,260
I'd love to figure out what's
the actual turning point?
1471
01:20:56,340 --> 01:20:59,064
When does DeLorean get
to a point where he could
1472
01:20:59,065 --> 01:21:02,201
have turned back and
maybe avoided everything?
1473
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:07,580
And whether he went on to complete the
car project or not, he would have lived to
1474
01:21:07,581 --> 01:21:11,720
fight another battle, you know,
or try another iteration of all that,
1475
01:21:12,630 --> 01:21:14,750
and probably succeeded
because he's a very clever guy.
1476
01:21:15,220 --> 01:21:18,140
What's that moment where
you sit there and go, too late?
1477
01:21:19,140 --> 01:21:20,340
Is it the cocaine deal itself?
1478
01:21:20,480 --> 01:21:21,540
Is it before that?
1479
01:21:22,650 --> 01:21:23,650
Is it a series of things?
1480
01:21:24,440 --> 01:21:27,100
Is it a period of time where
he's doing a few things?
1481
01:21:27,140 --> 01:21:31,440
When does John put all the
chips on the table and he loses?
1482
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:41,020
I saw the drug
trial as a sideshow.
1483
01:21:41,220 --> 01:21:47,920
To me, much more substantial was how
DeLorean was handling the money that he
1484
01:21:47,921 --> 01:21:50,560
had gotten to build the
car in Northern Ireland.
1485
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:54,535
Every piece of paper
tells a story of what
1486
01:21:54,536 --> 01:21:57,040
people were doing and
how they were doing it.
1487
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:59,203
Well, this transaction
happened before this
1488
01:21:59,204 --> 01:22:01,140
transaction, and that
led to this transaction.
1489
01:22:01,650 --> 01:22:05,880
I was brought in to analyze the affairs of
DeLorean Motor Company and go deep into
1490
01:22:05,881 --> 01:22:08,600
its affairs, its activities,
and its transactions.
1491
01:22:09,440 --> 01:22:12,680
We didn't really understand it at
first, but it turned out to be the critical
1492
01:22:12,681 --> 01:22:15,160
moment in untangling the
affairs of John DeLorean.
1493
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:19,780
And as it became clear, you start to
see yet again another side of John.
1494
01:22:21,620 --> 01:22:25,300
When the company was developing,
in those heady days of excitement and
1495
01:22:25,301 --> 01:22:29,040
energy around the company, around John,
investors all wanted to get a piece of it.
1496
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:33,260
You know, in trying to raise all the
capital, John was really selling himself.
1497
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:34,700
He was selling his image.
1498
01:22:35,180 --> 01:22:37,020
You know, the
slogan, live the dream.
1499
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:40,720
That's what people were supposedly buying
into when they invested in his company.
1500
01:22:41,220 --> 01:22:44,120
And John, sensing that interest
and wanting to raise money if it was
1501
01:22:44,121 --> 01:22:48,880
available, was able to raise $17.5
million for the development of the vehicle.
1502
01:22:49,635 --> 01:22:52,940
But as it turns out, the British government
had also put up enough money by
1503
01:22:52,941 --> 01:22:55,256
then that their funds
were actually being used
1504
01:22:55,257 --> 01:22:57,240
to pay for the
development of the vehicle.
1505
01:22:57,730 --> 01:23:00,200
And therefore, this money wasn't
needed so much at that point.
1506
01:23:00,580 --> 01:23:04,160
And John, seeing this pot
of money, couldn't resist.
1507
01:23:04,440 --> 01:23:06,506
Federal investigators
and bankruptcy lawyers say
1508
01:23:06,507 --> 01:23:09,300
they have uncovered
another secret DeLorean deal.
1509
01:23:09,500 --> 01:23:11,490
This one arranged
at a hotel in Geneva,
1510
01:23:11,491 --> 01:23:15,221
Switzerland, long before
the alleged drug deal.
1511
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:21,140
A deal had been struck in Switzerland
with Colin Chapman, the chairman of Lotus,
1512
01:23:21,530 --> 01:23:26,000
and the mysterious
organization called GPD Services.
1513
01:23:27,275 --> 01:23:31,500
And what's interesting becomes very
clear that Bill Collins was onto something
1514
01:23:31,501 --> 01:23:35,320
several years earlier when he was
analyzing the DeLorean-Lotus agreement.
1515
01:23:35,940 --> 01:23:40,280
When I looked at the numbers that they put
together, I said to John, what's the deal?
1516
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:42,080
GPD?
1517
01:23:42,460 --> 01:23:43,380
I've never even heard of it.
1518
01:23:43,460 --> 01:23:45,980
It just seems like you're paying
twice for the same thing, John.
1519
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:49,700
Obviously, looking back on it now, there
were things going on behind the scene.
1520
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:55,820
John and Chapman were trying to figure
out the game they were playing with GPD and
1521
01:23:55,821 --> 01:23:59,780
trying to get various
arrangements put together.
1522
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,400
In the scene we shot yesterday,
he hangs up with Collins.
1523
01:24:03,401 --> 01:24:07,413
And everybody who's good,
they've all got to go, you
1524
01:24:07,414 --> 01:24:10,660
know, because their goodness
becomes useless to John.
1525
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:13,160
You know, they just
don't do me any good.
1526
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:16,098
But apart from denying
that he had any of the GPD
1527
01:24:16,099 --> 01:24:19,100
money, John DeLorean is
reluctant to discuss GPD.
1528
01:24:19,480 --> 01:24:23,500
Can you give an answer now to those
allegations about the missing $70 million?
1529
01:24:28,140 --> 01:24:30,683
So now, we fast forward
into the investigation
1530
01:24:30,695 --> 01:24:32,760
and we start peeling
back the layers.
1531
01:24:32,761 --> 01:24:33,761
GPD.
1532
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:38,554
GPD is supposedly this
middleman company to
1533
01:24:38,555 --> 01:24:43,001
deliver certain other
engineering services.
1534
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:48,100
In truth, it had no
other engineers.
1535
01:24:48,340 --> 01:24:52,280
It had no facilities to deliver
these engineering services.
1536
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:55,380
GPD was a mailbox.
1537
01:24:56,170 --> 01:24:58,360
GPD is a phony, a shell company.
1538
01:24:58,480 --> 01:25:00,419
Nothing more than
a post office box in a
1539
01:25:00,420 --> 01:25:02,680
neighborhood branch of
the Geneva Post Office.
1540
01:25:02,681 --> 01:25:04,200
Post Office Box 33.
1541
01:25:06,010 --> 01:25:11,580
It turns out, John made a deal with Colin
Chapman at Lotus Cars that he would send
1542
01:25:11,581 --> 01:25:16,740
this $17.5 million from investors into
GPD, and then Colin took the money from
1543
01:25:16,741 --> 01:25:20,720
there, funneled it into European
bank accounts, split it with John.
1544
01:25:21,345 --> 01:25:25,040
John then maneuvered that money back
to his own accounts in the United States,
1545
01:25:25,610 --> 01:25:28,520
therefore converting the investor
money into his own money.
1546
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:35,480
I think there's a real
fascinating allegory here.
1547
01:25:35,830 --> 01:25:37,960
You did sell your
soul, John DeLorean.
1548
01:25:38,310 --> 01:25:42,440
You sold it for the greater glory of John
DeLorean who was going to whip General
1549
01:25:42,441 --> 01:25:43,925
Motors and all these
multibillion-dollar
1550
01:25:43,926 --> 01:25:46,741
multinational companies
with your own dream car.
1551
01:25:46,930 --> 01:25:51,060
And in that vision, not only did you
jeopardize the well-being of your family,
1552
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:54,760
you've risked yourself for a jail term,
got off because the government blew it.
1553
01:25:54,940 --> 01:26:00,540
Now we have other indictments
which indicate that it's possible that your
1554
01:26:00,541 --> 01:26:04,484
fatigue and your egomania
forced you to use money for your
1555
01:26:04,485 --> 01:26:07,380
own purpose rather than the
original intent of the investors.
1556
01:26:07,910 --> 01:26:10,732
That's what seems to be
most apparent to anybody who
1557
01:26:10,733 --> 01:26:13,241
gives a cursory review of
the evidence in this case.
1558
01:26:13,620 --> 01:26:18,900
Well, as I said early on, I think that we
will prove conclusively that every single
1559
01:26:18,901 --> 01:26:21,586
cent was legitimately
and honestly come by
1560
01:26:21,587 --> 01:26:25,461
and that all these
charges are totally false.
1561
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:33,580
So as these questions are being brought
up and John is preparing to have to answer
1562
01:26:33,581 --> 01:26:36,466
these questions, he
needed to show some sort
1563
01:26:36,467 --> 01:26:39,100
of proof that made
the deal not look shady.
1564
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:45,040
And that proof was actually a loan letter
from GPD Services and a paper trail that
1565
01:26:45,041 --> 01:26:48,027
GPD Services was a loan
to him and that he still had
1566
01:26:48,028 --> 01:26:50,721
several years before he
had to pay back that loan.
1567
01:26:51,310 --> 01:26:56,520
He puts together these documents that only
he and one other person would be privy to
1568
01:26:56,770 --> 01:26:58,420
and that being Colin
Chapman from Lotus.
1569
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:01,740
Well, several years earlier,
Colin Chapman dropped dead.
1570
01:27:01,741 --> 01:27:03,020
Of a heart attack.
1571
01:27:03,445 --> 01:27:07,900
And the only other person in, you
know, this little transaction was John.
1572
01:27:08,660 --> 01:27:11,780
So while I was busy studying the records
and looking at financial transactions,
1573
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:15,020
the lawyers were busy
talking to Christina Farrar.
1574
01:27:15,440 --> 01:27:23,180
Christina testified under oath that she
saw John working in a large closet with
1575
01:27:23,430 --> 01:27:27,728
latex gloves on, signing
documents, backdating
1576
01:27:27,729 --> 01:27:31,000
them, and then aging the
documents under a sun lamp.
1577
01:27:31,150 --> 01:27:34,320
So when the documents would
be forensically examined later on,
1578
01:27:34,650 --> 01:27:37,540
his fingerprints wouldn't be on
it, his skin oil wouldn't be on it,
1579
01:27:37,905 --> 01:27:40,156
and of course the paper would
have aged under the sun lamp.
1580
01:27:40,180 --> 01:27:42,280
And she testified that
she saw him do that.
1581
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:46,560
So John was very busy creating a
set of documents in the dark of night,
1582
01:27:46,910 --> 01:27:48,960
but his wife was watching him.
1583
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:56,500
After reviewing the records, there came
a time when the trial started to recover
1584
01:27:56,501 --> 01:27:58,880
this money that John had
taken from the company.
1585
01:27:59,140 --> 01:28:01,952
And I started to really
get a good look at John
1586
01:28:01,953 --> 01:28:04,260
as a person and the true
nature of his character.
1587
01:28:04,605 --> 01:28:08,380
So he walks in court one day, and then
he looks at me and he says, I was on the
1588
01:28:08,381 --> 01:28:11,200
radio this morning, I was talking
about you and your testimony.
1589
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:13,560
He goes, but I'm not
sure I got your name right.
1590
01:28:13,930 --> 01:28:16,280
He said, is there one
ancient shithead or two?
1591
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:18,560
And I said, wow.
1592
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:22,700
But by then, I also
realized we had him.
1593
01:28:23,210 --> 01:28:26,000
In other words, he was acting
out because we knew we had him.
1594
01:28:26,130 --> 01:28:31,280
Between us having the financial evidence
and Christina willing to testify that John
1595
01:28:31,281 --> 01:28:35,360
had been forging documents and aging
documents, John needed to settle that
1596
01:28:35,361 --> 01:28:38,424
case, actually cough up
the money that had been
1597
01:28:38,425 --> 01:28:41,341
stolen from the investors
in the DeLorean partnership.
1598
01:28:41,580 --> 01:28:44,480
Would you deny, therefore, that
you had any of that $17 million?
1599
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:45,920
Excuse me a minute.
1600
01:28:45,980 --> 01:28:46,980
I'll have you a drink.
1601
01:28:47,620 --> 01:28:49,365
John DeLorean was not
prepared to answer any
1602
01:28:49,366 --> 01:28:52,620
further questions about
the missing $17.6 million.
1603
01:29:00,110 --> 01:29:04,310
The drug trial, John really could
grasp onto that idea of I was the victim.
1604
01:29:04,311 --> 01:29:05,390
You know?
1605
01:29:05,750 --> 01:29:10,590
I got sucked into a situation of
overzealous people, overzealous government
1606
01:29:10,591 --> 01:29:13,490
that was trying to take me down
as a legitimate business owner.
1607
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:19,070
In the case of the money trials, it's
very hard to take the approach that
1608
01:29:19,220 --> 01:29:22,170
he was the victim because
all of it was his own doing.
1609
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:26,830
You start to see, you know, this real true
character, this underlying nature of John,
1610
01:29:26,990 --> 01:29:30,570
not the public persona that he had
worked so hard to cultivate for years.
1611
01:29:31,190 --> 01:29:34,978
He had built this giant
bubble of an image, making
1612
01:29:34,979 --> 01:29:37,831
him believe he could kind
of get away with anything.
1613
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:43,210
This was not the little guy
fighting the Goliath like GM.
1614
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:49,450
This instead was someone in his business
dealings who acted like the Goliath and
1615
01:29:49,451 --> 01:29:55,950
trampled on other people's dreams and
really hurt some individuals very badly.
1616
01:29:56,470 --> 01:29:59,937
I'm not a psychiatrist,
but I think that he was okay
1617
01:29:59,938 --> 01:30:03,150
in the beginning and I think
he just got carried away.
1618
01:30:04,350 --> 01:30:06,990
I think that he could have saved
it if he'd had the right attitude.
1619
01:30:07,570 --> 01:30:10,367
But I think he thought
it was more important
1620
01:30:10,379 --> 01:30:12,751
to make a buck
than to be successful.
1621
01:30:13,900 --> 01:30:18,130
That is part of the real tragedy
in going back to the what ifs.
1622
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:23,530
You know, what if John and Colin Hatton
embezzled that money and he had still had
1623
01:30:23,531 --> 01:30:28,270
$17.5 million at the time when he needed
desperately cash to keep the company open.
1624
01:30:28,850 --> 01:30:32,581
By stealing that money,
John really painted himself into
1625
01:30:32,582 --> 01:30:35,230
a corner and he had to find
the money somewhere else.
1626
01:30:35,615 --> 01:30:38,710
And to think if he could have
only held on for a few more years.
1627
01:30:52,860 --> 01:30:53,860
Doc!
1628
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:55,640
Marty!
1629
01:30:55,820 --> 01:30:56,820
You made it!
1630
01:30:56,920 --> 01:30:57,000
Yeah!
1631
01:30:57,620 --> 01:30:58,980
Welcome to my latest experiment.
1632
01:30:59,140 --> 01:31:01,540
This is a big one, the one
I've been waiting for all my life.
1633
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:03,300
Ah, well, it's a
DeLorean, right?
1634
01:31:03,301 --> 01:31:03,860
Share with me, Marty.
1635
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:05,076
All your questions
will be answered.
1636
01:31:05,100 --> 01:31:06,100
Roll tape.
1637
01:31:06,390 --> 01:31:09,157
When Bob Zemeckis
and I first wrote Back to the
1638
01:31:09,158 --> 01:31:12,041
Future, the time machine
was a refrigerator.
1639
01:31:12,700 --> 01:31:17,208
And... Bob Zemeckis, the
director, said, wouldn't it be
1640
01:31:17,209 --> 01:31:21,480
simpler if Doc actually built
the time machine into a car?
1641
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:25,220
And then he says, and what
if the car was a DeLorean?
1642
01:31:26,060 --> 01:31:28,876
You know, it wasn't my idea, but I
know a damn good idea when I hear one.
1643
01:31:28,900 --> 01:31:30,000
This was a damn good idea.
1644
01:31:30,695 --> 01:31:31,960
So I said, yeah, that's great.
1645
01:31:32,365 --> 01:31:37,100
When this baby hits 88 miles per
hour, you're gonna see some serious shit.
1646
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:47,013
We... I think did a great job in
making the DeLorean glamorous
1647
01:31:47,014 --> 01:31:52,740
and endearing it to generations
of movie fans and car fans.
1648
01:31:53,480 --> 01:31:56,180
88 miles per hour!
1649
01:31:56,620 --> 01:32:01,560
If only we'd stayed alive and we'd
continued for another two years.
1650
01:32:02,670 --> 01:32:05,240
You can't buy that
publicity now, can you?
1651
01:32:06,740 --> 01:32:11,240
Back to the Future makes the
car and the man truly immortal.
1652
01:32:12,450 --> 01:32:15,460
100 years from now,
people will watch that movie.
1653
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:22,140
And the last running DeLorean may have
consumed its last drop of fuel and eaten
1654
01:32:22,141 --> 01:32:24,860
its last piston, but
that movie will carry on.
1655
01:32:26,930 --> 01:32:30,980
After the movie came out, about two or
three weeks later, we got one of the best
1656
01:32:30,981 --> 01:32:33,360
fan letters we ever got, and
it was from John DeLorean.
1657
01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:38,436
He said that he'd just seen
the movie, he thought it was
1658
01:32:38,456 --> 01:32:41,420
brilliant, and he said, thank
you for keeping my dream alive.
1659
01:32:45,410 --> 01:32:51,420
You know, back in a time when I
was led to believe films about him were
1660
01:32:54,580 --> 01:32:55,580
percolating, you know,
1661
01:33:00,620 --> 01:33:05,050
I get a phone call,
and it was DeLorean.
1662
01:33:08,365 --> 01:33:11,251
And I have to imagine
he was probably out of the
1663
01:33:11,252 --> 01:33:13,450
house, the big house
and living in this apartment.
1664
01:33:13,451 --> 01:33:15,670
You know, the scene that
they were gonna shoot today.
1665
01:33:16,330 --> 01:33:19,343
Yeah, I was on the phone
with him, and he was
1666
01:33:19,344 --> 01:33:21,911
like, Alex, this is
John DeLorean calling.
1667
01:33:22,270 --> 01:33:23,270
He's very old.
1668
01:33:23,350 --> 01:33:24,350
He sounded older.
1669
01:33:24,905 --> 01:33:31,970
He said, I understand they're making this
motion picture about me, and I would be
1670
01:33:31,971 --> 01:33:35,350
very flattered if you were
to portray me in the movie.
1671
01:33:36,380 --> 01:33:38,270
I thought, wow.
1672
01:33:38,770 --> 01:33:40,810
I mean, to have the guy
who's the real guy pick you.
1673
01:33:41,870 --> 01:33:42,870
And...
1674
01:33:43,450 --> 01:33:44,450
And then it went away.
1675
01:33:44,870 --> 01:33:46,650
And I never heard
from him again.
1676
01:33:47,550 --> 01:33:48,550
But...
1677
01:33:49,130 --> 01:33:52,430
I mean, to me,
DeLorean is a lot of things.
1678
01:33:52,470 --> 01:33:54,550
Every day you... I
think about, who is he?
1679
01:33:54,930 --> 01:33:56,010
I have a different answer.
1680
01:33:56,960 --> 01:34:01,890
You know, today, my attitude about
DeLorean, you watch historical footage and
1681
01:34:01,891 --> 01:34:04,337
you get kind of inflamed
because you see that
1682
01:34:04,338 --> 01:34:06,350
he did a lot of bad
things to some people.
1683
01:34:06,670 --> 01:34:07,790
And he hurt a lot of people.
1684
01:34:08,050 --> 01:34:09,310
And he stole from people.
1685
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:16,350
And at the same time, I feel
like he was somebody who...
1686
01:34:16,500 --> 01:34:17,170
He just...
1687
01:34:17,270 --> 01:34:21,730
Like a lot of great American stories, he
just perverted some dream that he had.
1688
01:34:25,010 --> 01:34:26,890
You remember the DMC, don't you?
1689
01:34:27,170 --> 01:34:28,170
Yeah?
1690
01:34:29,925 --> 01:34:30,750
How could you forget it?
1691
01:34:30,870 --> 01:34:31,290
Right?
1692
01:34:31,370 --> 01:34:32,370
It was one of a kind.
1693
01:34:33,970 --> 01:34:35,570
It really was one of a kind.
1694
01:34:36,300 --> 01:34:39,856
As full as John's life
was those first 60 years,
1695
01:34:39,857 --> 01:34:42,950
the last 20 years are
actually more simple.
1696
01:34:43,450 --> 01:34:48,690
This is one of John's Bibles, which
he actually gave to his nephew, Mark.
1697
01:34:49,530 --> 01:34:50,930
He became a
born-again Christian.
1698
01:34:51,430 --> 01:34:53,650
It was a very
important part of his life.
1699
01:34:53,810 --> 01:34:57,730
He dated several women throughout the years
and then ended up remarrying late in life.
1700
01:34:58,330 --> 01:35:02,530
And then in 2000, had to declare
bankruptcy in which he lost his Bedminster
1701
01:35:02,531 --> 01:35:06,350
estate and lived the last five years of
his life in a one-bedroom apartment.
1702
01:35:07,740 --> 01:35:10,540
His whole fucking life, his whole
dream, everything that he worked for,
1703
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:14,930
from the time they broke ground
till the time of the arrest, gone.
1704
01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:23,020
Was it a blow to your pride, to
you trying to shake your life again?
1705
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:26,080
Well, I felt terrible
about it for a long time.
1706
01:35:26,220 --> 01:35:28,860
I felt terrible for my
children, who've had a...
1707
01:35:28,861 --> 01:35:31,920
This has been an extremely
difficult thing for them.
1708
01:35:32,380 --> 01:35:34,360
But, you know, life is life.
1709
01:35:34,440 --> 01:35:35,440
It goes on.
1710
01:35:36,480 --> 01:35:38,840
Your father is shamed
and goes to jail.
1711
01:35:39,020 --> 01:35:40,540
Your family loses
all their money.
1712
01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:41,720
Your parents get divorced.
1713
01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:43,620
Everything in your
world changes.
1714
01:35:43,621 --> 01:35:50,200
And for the next 15 years of your life,
you get chased by, is your father in jail,
1715
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:54,980
and cocaine jokes, and all of these
things that just followed along with it.
1716
01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:59,040
My entire life, I
had to live it down.
1717
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:02,480
It was... It followed
me for a very long time.
1718
01:36:03,150 --> 01:36:09,540
It followed me around until I started to
get involved into the DeLorean community.
1719
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:15,960
People used to invite my dad to
all these car shows all the time.
1720
01:36:16,395 --> 01:36:20,120
And I asked him, I
said, Dad, Dad, let's go.
1721
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:22,460
You have to experience this.
1722
01:36:25,110 --> 01:36:29,560
Knowing how much he was still loved would
definitely make a difference in his life.
1723
01:36:33,100 --> 01:36:35,020
It was an amazing experience.
1724
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:38,420
It was... It was everything I
hoped it would be, and then some.
1725
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:39,020
I just met John C.
1726
01:36:39,060 --> 01:36:40,080
DeLorean for the third time.
1727
01:36:40,100 --> 01:36:41,100
You can document that.
1728
01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:42,860
The man is unbelievable.
1729
01:36:44,900 --> 01:36:50,960
He really did get to bask
in his glory a little bit again.
1730
01:36:55,040 --> 01:36:57,560
Do you consider the whole
DeLorean dream to have been a failure?
1731
01:36:57,810 --> 01:37:02,400
Oh, I think that I showed a lot of people
that whether, you know, you survive or
1732
01:37:02,401 --> 01:37:04,879
not, the key is, it's like
Shakespeare said, it's better
1733
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:07,041
to have loved and lost
than not to have loved at all.
1734
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:09,160
I gave it the best shot I had.
1735
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:10,660
I tried as hard as I could.
1736
01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:13,600
And I think that
I did really well.
1737
01:37:13,620 --> 01:37:14,300
I did reasonably well.
1738
01:37:14,460 --> 01:37:17,620
I think DeLorean
was very much alone.
1739
01:37:18,120 --> 01:37:23,340
Part of the fallout from
compartmentalizing his life the way he did
1740
01:37:24,610 --> 01:37:30,160
is that he really didn't have anybody
who knew him through and through.
1741
01:37:31,380 --> 01:37:35,706
This is not a man who's
looking at his family life
1742
01:37:35,707 --> 01:37:39,160
or his friends to qualify
his reason for living.
1743
01:37:39,460 --> 01:37:41,100
It's, what have I accomplished?
1744
01:37:41,300 --> 01:37:41,980
What have I done?
1745
01:37:41,981 --> 01:37:43,160
What am I doing next?
1746
01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:49,160
That in his mind, this is what really
reflects on him as a human being.
1747
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:52,848
When we come around here,
what I'd like to do is repeat this
1748
01:37:52,849 --> 01:37:55,561
action and just put this down
here and then look up at the car.
1749
01:37:55,700 --> 01:37:58,400
And I want to say something
very specific to him about the car.
1750
01:37:59,080 --> 01:38:01,880
No film can tell the definitive
story of anybody's life.
1751
01:38:02,100 --> 01:38:06,720
Anyone's life is just too
vast and complex for one film.
1752
01:38:07,370 --> 01:38:11,520
But a film could certainly create
the legend of John DeLorean.
1753
01:38:11,980 --> 01:38:14,600
And we print the legend.
1754
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:16,280
The legend is what we love.
1755
01:38:16,900 --> 01:38:18,280
That's what we should have.
1756
01:38:21,220 --> 01:38:25,560
Let's just hypothetically say that
when he went into the hotel that night,
1757
01:38:26,020 --> 01:38:28,780
he knew he was walking out
with a suitcase full of cocaine.
1758
01:38:29,660 --> 01:38:31,760
I can't necessarily blame him.
1759
01:38:33,340 --> 01:38:38,260
How far would you be willing to go to save
something you worked your whole life for,
1760
01:38:38,385 --> 01:38:39,385
your life's dream?
1761
01:38:39,535 --> 01:38:42,820
What would you do to see
that succeed no matter what?
1762
01:38:46,830 --> 01:38:48,210
He always kept trying.
1763
01:38:48,670 --> 01:38:51,470
He never gave up the dream.
1764
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:56,250
He never quit believing that there
was a potential for him to recover.
1765
01:38:56,430 --> 01:38:58,490
That he was going to
invent the next great thing.
1766
01:38:58,630 --> 01:39:01,350
That he was going to be
able to reclaim his former glory.
1767
01:39:01,820 --> 01:39:03,050
He was John DeLorean.
1768
01:39:03,455 --> 01:39:05,690
And he was John DeLorean
until the day he died.
1769
01:39:06,470 --> 01:39:10,110
I think he was still trying to
make fucking deals on that DMC2.
1770
01:39:10,111 --> 01:39:11,610
When he got the heart attack.
1771
01:39:13,740 --> 01:39:15,890
And I think that would be a
good way to end the movie.
1772
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:23,270
You could have him on the phone eating
some breakfast with an open notebook thing
1773
01:39:23,271 --> 01:39:27,130
that you would show investors with
all the nice little pictures and stuff.
1774
01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:31,890
Talking on the phone and then it just
fades to black because then that last
1775
01:39:31,891 --> 01:39:34,790
image would just be him
working to get that deal done.
1776
01:39:35,830 --> 01:39:36,910
And he just fucking...
1777
01:39:37,900 --> 01:39:39,490
God pulled the
plug on his ass, man.
1778
01:39:40,210 --> 01:39:41,250
You're out of here, buddy.
1779
01:39:41,510 --> 01:39:42,510
You know?
1780
01:39:43,565 --> 01:39:47,470
Then, you know, it just goes black and
then John DeLorean died in Morristown,
1781
01:39:47,610 --> 01:39:50,710
New Jersey at fucking
80 years old on this date.
1782
01:39:50,830 --> 01:39:51,250
You know?
1783
01:39:51,480 --> 01:39:55,910
Never to have fulfilled another car
company, built another car company.
1784
01:39:56,610 --> 01:39:58,590
And, you know, I'd
be okay with that.
1785
01:39:58,630 --> 01:39:59,630
That's good.
1786
01:39:59,790 --> 01:40:00,330
That's a pop.
1787
01:40:00,570 --> 01:40:01,930
Scene 28 alpha, take two.
1788
01:40:03,250 --> 01:40:04,250
Great, thank you.
1789
01:40:08,730 --> 01:40:09,730
Action.
1790
01:44:03,650 --> 01:44:06,790
I mean, if we can't get the money
to distribute this movie, would we sell
1791
01:44:06,791 --> 01:44:08,551
cocaine to try to get
this movie distributed?
1792
01:44:08,630 --> 01:44:08,870
Sure.
1793
01:44:09,150 --> 01:44:10,310
We don't want to lose either.
1794
01:44:11,430 --> 01:44:12,590
I'm counting on you, Shannon.
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