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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,420 --> 00:00:05,780 When a serious crime is committed and the police need all the help they can 2 00:00:05,780 --> 00:00:09,900 get, there's one group of people they turn to time after time. 3 00:00:10,900 --> 00:00:12,240 The expert witnesses. 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,600 Knowing when someone's done something is one thing, but proving it's completely 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,660 different. We need that last piece of the jigsaw. 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:26,080 An extraordinary army of men and women with the expertise to reveal the hidden 7 00:00:26,080 --> 00:00:28,840 clues criminals have left behind. 8 00:00:29,530 --> 00:00:34,110 It might be a fingerprint, footwear mark, cell site analysis that can come 9 00:00:34,110 --> 00:00:38,230 up with that golden ticket to put that investigation on a different path. 10 00:00:39,670 --> 00:00:41,730 Using the very latest techniques. 11 00:00:42,170 --> 00:00:47,370 Several months or even years later, evidence can remain and still be 12 00:00:47,370 --> 00:00:48,370 recovered. 13 00:00:49,130 --> 00:00:54,550 This is the inside story of how science helps solve some of the UK's most 14 00:00:54,550 --> 00:00:55,790 complex cases. 15 00:00:56,390 --> 00:00:58,110 The forensics in this case. 16 00:00:58,570 --> 00:01:01,490 showed us what did happen. Not what could have happened, what did happen. 17 00:01:02,170 --> 00:01:05,390 If you've been in a scene, it's virtually impossible to clean everything 18 00:01:05,390 --> 00:01:08,650 up. Something is going to be there. If we're looking in the right place, we'll 19 00:01:08,650 --> 00:01:09,650 find it. 20 00:01:10,190 --> 00:01:15,170 Without the unseen hero painstakingly going through forensic, I might not have 21 00:01:15,170 --> 00:01:16,170 got justice for my daughter. 22 00:01:18,550 --> 00:01:21,210 This is the story of the expert witness. 23 00:01:30,540 --> 00:01:35,220 In this programme, an expert witness examines a muddy crime scene to 24 00:01:35,220 --> 00:01:37,140 determine how a body got there. 25 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,880 He was standing up, straight up, and he was just bent at the waist. 26 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:42,900 That in itself is interesting. 27 00:01:45,460 --> 00:01:50,900 And when police investigate a number of complaints against the young man... My 28 00:01:50,900 --> 00:01:54,660 gut instinct did say that there was something up with him, something wrong, 29 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,820 but unfortunately I ignored my gut instinct and led to regret. 30 00:02:00,110 --> 00:02:03,910 A virologist is brought in to reveal if the suspect was guilty. 31 00:02:04,150 --> 00:02:07,750 Where you have a transmission, you can see a resemblance between the strains 32 00:02:07,750 --> 00:02:09,470 infecting the two parties. 33 00:02:09,710 --> 00:02:12,950 And it was really that type of linkage that would substantiate the allegations 34 00:02:12,950 --> 00:02:13,950 that were made. 35 00:02:17,839 --> 00:02:22,480 Expert witnesses helped investigations by seeing the clues the rest of us 36 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:26,940 can't. When the body of an elderly farmer was found in a river, it wasn't 37 00:02:26,940 --> 00:02:31,940 clear to detectives whether it was a case of suicide or murder. But a 38 00:02:31,940 --> 00:02:36,920 bioarchaeologist was able to detect and decipher evidence left at the crime 39 00:02:36,920 --> 00:02:37,920 scene. 40 00:02:39,670 --> 00:02:44,150 Forensic bioarchaeology can help criminal investigation by interpreting 41 00:02:44,150 --> 00:02:48,550 the crime scene. Sometimes the environment can give as much evidence as 42 00:02:48,550 --> 00:02:50,630 the body itself, sometimes more. 43 00:02:56,790 --> 00:03:00,530 June 2018, Gosmore in Hertfordshire. 44 00:03:02,350 --> 00:03:07,310 69-year-old farmer Bill Taylor is reported missing from his home by his 45 00:03:07,310 --> 00:03:08,310 family. 46 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,100 Reporting on the case for the national newspapers at the time was Thomas 47 00:03:13,100 --> 00:03:17,220 Hornell. Gosmore is a small hamlet and most of the farmland there was actually 48 00:03:17,220 --> 00:03:19,040 owned by the Taylors. There was hundreds of acres. 49 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:26,580 Dozens of police ended up showing up and combing through every blade of grass on 50 00:03:26,580 --> 00:03:31,380 Bill's farmland, searching for him. This was a really big police presence for a 51 00:03:31,380 --> 00:03:32,520 normally sleepy town. 52 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:39,200 Due to the sheer scale and complexity of the search, the Hertfordshire Police 53 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:44,120 Major Crime Unit were called in to organise the hunt for Bill. This was 54 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,360 certainly the largest search that I've ever been involved in and coordinated. 55 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,900 While search teams scoured the countryside, Detective Chief Inspector 56 00:03:52,900 --> 00:03:55,980 Carl Foster turned to Bill's family and friends. 57 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,340 They revealed his personal life was complicated. 58 00:04:01,660 --> 00:04:03,900 Estranged from his second wife, Angela... 59 00:04:04,140 --> 00:04:06,120 and with his family at war. 60 00:04:07,260 --> 00:04:11,940 Whilst Bill and Angela were separated, they weren't yet divorced. 61 00:04:12,740 --> 00:04:17,860 Angela wanted to get divorced. Bill was effectively digging his heels in and 62 00:04:17,860 --> 00:04:19,420 saying, no, I don't want to do that. 63 00:04:20,750 --> 00:04:24,530 Both Bill and Angela had children from previous marriages and they had three 64 00:04:24,530 --> 00:04:28,390 children together and in particular Bill's son from his first marriage did 65 00:04:28,390 --> 00:04:31,770 not get on with Angela and her side of the family at all. In fact, they 66 00:04:31,770 --> 00:04:33,550 completely loathed each other. 67 00:04:34,790 --> 00:04:38,370 Bill was kind of stuck in the middle because Bill obviously loved both sides 68 00:04:38,370 --> 00:04:42,310 of the family. He had children and grandchildren in both sides of the 69 00:04:42,310 --> 00:04:45,250 family and he was stuck between a rock and a hard place. 70 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:51,140 Although police had no body with which to reveal a definitive cause of death, 71 00:04:51,380 --> 00:04:55,380 they began to suspect foul play from within the feuding family. 72 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:03,120 The police were suspicious of Angela because she didn't seem that moved or 73 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:08,800 distressed by Bill's disappearance and detectives also overheard her talking 74 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:10,440 about him in the past tense. 75 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:16,840 However, detectives could not identify an obvious motive for why Angela would 76 00:05:16,840 --> 00:05:18,380 have wanted her husband dead. 77 00:05:18,860 --> 00:05:24,100 There was already a post-nuptial agreement in place between Bill and 78 00:05:24,100 --> 00:05:29,060 Angela where they'd already agreed on the allocation of property and land 79 00:05:29,060 --> 00:05:32,020 worth anything from £150 to £200 million. 80 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:37,720 The title deeds had already been moved over to Angela as part of that 81 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,740 agreement, so that effectively, for me, said... 82 00:05:41,260 --> 00:05:43,240 Well, it can't be a financial motive here, then. 83 00:05:44,380 --> 00:05:48,900 But one discovery left detectives convinced someone in Bill's circle held 84 00:05:48,900 --> 00:05:50,880 a serious grudge against him. 85 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:56,200 One of the issues that concerned us was the fact that his vehicle had been 86 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:00,580 subject to an arson attack the week prior to him going missing. It had been 87 00:06:00,580 --> 00:06:05,360 attended by officers, Anderson's crime officer. The towel, the shirt and the 88 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:09,660 fuel can that were found in the Land Rover didn't belong to Bill. We sent all 89 00:06:09,660 --> 00:06:10,660 of those off. 90 00:06:10,700 --> 00:06:15,980 for forensic examination to establish whether there was any forensic evidence 91 00:06:15,980 --> 00:06:16,980 that would assist us. 92 00:06:17,460 --> 00:06:22,000 Detectives continued their investigations, this time into Angela's 93 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,360 personal life, and identified someone who raised their suspicions. 94 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:33,820 The police began to look at a man named Paul Cannon, who was a digger driver who 95 00:06:33,820 --> 00:06:38,040 had done some work on Bill's farm and was around a lot at Angela's place. So 96 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,980 they really began to look at those two, suspecting a relationship. 97 00:06:42,500 --> 00:06:45,860 Angela admitted she was having an affair with Paul Cannon. 98 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:51,100 And when lab results returned from the items in the burnt-out Land Rover, they 99 00:06:51,100 --> 00:06:53,360 showed traces of Cannon's DNA. 100 00:06:54,599 --> 00:06:58,780 Significant, but not enough to prove he was responsible for Bill's 101 00:06:58,780 --> 00:07:03,580 disappearance. What the forensic evidence against Paul Cannon did was 102 00:07:03,580 --> 00:07:08,740 obviously elevate our concerns around what was going on between him and Bill, 103 00:07:08,900 --> 00:07:12,800 potentially Angela, and that whole family dynamic. 104 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:18,540 But on its own, does it explain what has then happened to Bill a week later? 105 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:19,940 No, it doesn't. 106 00:07:24,430 --> 00:07:28,010 Nonetheless, Hertfordshire Police declared the case a murder inquiry. 107 00:07:29,410 --> 00:07:33,790 Without the body, they didn't have enough evidence to charge either Angela 108 00:07:33,790 --> 00:07:36,330 Taylor or Paul Cannon of any wrongdoing. 109 00:07:37,350 --> 00:07:40,410 But their investigation was far from over. 110 00:07:40,690 --> 00:07:46,550 We became aware that Paul Cannon had been employed at two quarry sites, both 111 00:07:46,550 --> 00:07:48,730 within the county of Hertfordshire. 112 00:07:49,490 --> 00:07:52,690 Whilst the two sites had been shut down... 113 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:59,140 If Bill has been murdered, could his body have been secreted in either one of 114 00:07:59,140 --> 00:08:00,140 those quarries? 115 00:08:01,140 --> 00:08:04,020 Any disused quarry is a hazardous environment. 116 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:06,680 These two were huge. 117 00:08:10,460 --> 00:08:14,360 Concerned about the risk to police search teams, Carl turned to 118 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,340 bioarchaeologist Jennifer Miller for advice. 119 00:08:18,380 --> 00:08:22,900 I have a lot of experience of searching landfills for a missing person and 120 00:08:22,900 --> 00:08:27,800 recovery of bodies buried within landfills. So I was asked to advise what 121 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:32,179 the logistics would be for recovery of anything from this sort of environment. 122 00:08:34,510 --> 00:08:39,570 We walked over the quarries and they're both over an acre. They're between 20 123 00:08:39,570 --> 00:08:46,130 and 30 metres high mounds of industrial waste and it's very, very unstable. 124 00:08:46,570 --> 00:08:51,150 Very, very dangerous. Potential for collapse and it would have taken months, 125 00:08:51,250 --> 00:08:57,090 if not years, to search it all. And without substantiated evidence to say 126 00:08:57,090 --> 00:08:59,810 that he was in there, then it's not worth doing. 127 00:09:01,950 --> 00:09:07,730 DCI Carl Foster took Jenny's advice and decided against excavating the quarry. 128 00:09:11,490 --> 00:09:15,550 Searching for more concrete evidence that Bill was murdered, he examined 129 00:09:15,550 --> 00:09:18,790 mobile phones belonging to Paul Cannon and Angela Taylor. 130 00:09:20,570 --> 00:09:26,130 They contained 28,000 text messages sent between the pair in the four months 131 00:09:26,130 --> 00:09:27,490 before Bill's disappearance. 132 00:09:29,210 --> 00:09:31,110 The contents were shocking. 133 00:09:32,990 --> 00:09:36,890 So this is just a small extract from the thousands of messages between Paul 134 00:09:36,890 --> 00:09:38,450 Cannon and Angela Taylor. 135 00:09:38,770 --> 00:09:41,790 It starts with Paul Cannon, got to get him out of the picture very soon, 136 00:09:41,890 --> 00:09:45,150 darling. And she replies, I don't know how to sort it, someone else maybe. 137 00:09:45,550 --> 00:09:49,090 And Paul Cannon replies to the effect, I only know one man for that and I haven't 138 00:09:49,090 --> 00:09:51,430 spoken to him in a long time, but I'll try. 139 00:09:51,910 --> 00:09:55,890 The following day, the 17th of February, you phone that bloke, can't keep going 140 00:09:55,890 --> 00:10:00,310 on like this. And Cannon replies, I'm good, darling, just spoke to a man going 141 00:10:00,310 --> 00:10:01,570 to be about 20. 142 00:10:02,140 --> 00:10:04,840 To which he replies, I'll go hard with you. 143 00:10:05,460 --> 00:10:09,720 Messages closer to the time of Bill's disappearance were even more chilling. 144 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,580 26th May was the night Bill's Land Rover was subject to the arson attack. 145 00:10:15,900 --> 00:10:20,600 And you've got a conversation here where Paul says, have to go to Dog Kennel, get 146 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:26,140 something. Dog Kennel is the name of one of the farms that Angela owned. 147 00:10:26,910 --> 00:10:30,790 Angela replies, what you got to get? And then Paul Cannon replies, darling, you 148 00:10:30,790 --> 00:10:31,790 light my fire. 149 00:10:33,130 --> 00:10:38,070 But both Paul Cannon and Angela Taylor refused to make any comments on the 150 00:10:38,070 --> 00:10:39,890 significance of these text messages. 151 00:10:40,370 --> 00:10:43,310 Why did you make the comment, light my fire? Or did he say it to you? 152 00:10:45,230 --> 00:10:48,010 Because neither of you have said it to each other ever before. 153 00:10:48,250 --> 00:10:52,270 It can't be a coincidence that night the Land Rover gets set on fire, can it? 154 00:10:53,890 --> 00:10:54,890 No comment. 155 00:10:55,530 --> 00:11:01,690 Bill was last seen alive around 9.30 by his grandson and then some two hours 156 00:11:01,690 --> 00:11:07,070 later, Paul Cannon sends a message to Angela Taylor saying, just watching Kill 157 00:11:07,070 --> 00:11:13,790 Bill 2, laugh out loud, which is pretty sinister when you know the timeline and 158 00:11:13,790 --> 00:11:17,230 the sequence of events and then you read that message. 159 00:11:18,650 --> 00:11:23,710 The messages also contained violent sexual fantasies centred around 160 00:11:23,710 --> 00:11:24,710 punishing Bill. 161 00:11:25,930 --> 00:11:29,310 But tellingly, they all stopped the day Bill disappeared. 162 00:11:30,650 --> 00:11:35,770 There's no more talk of, you know, getting rid of Bill, killing Bill, 163 00:11:35,930 --> 00:11:39,430 making love while the blood's running down the drain. 164 00:11:39,910 --> 00:11:40,910 None of that. 165 00:11:42,030 --> 00:11:43,030 Why is that? 166 00:11:43,430 --> 00:11:47,050 Why has it stopped on the 4th of June? 167 00:11:47,810 --> 00:11:53,390 The recovery of these messages... 168 00:11:53,740 --> 00:11:55,760 was a huge leap forward in the investigation. 169 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:01,260 I would describe those messages as a black and white transcript of a 170 00:12:01,260 --> 00:12:02,440 conspiracy to murder Bill. 171 00:12:02,940 --> 00:12:06,680 Angela Taylor and Paul Cannon were both charged with murder. 172 00:12:07,380 --> 00:12:13,100 But Bill's body was yet to be found. The case against the pair was far from 173 00:12:13,100 --> 00:12:17,000 watertight. We were preparing for the no-body trial. 174 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,780 The defence would exploit that and suggest that he's potentially taken 175 00:12:20,780 --> 00:12:24,220 himself off, he might have a girlfriend somewhere, he's had enough and he's 176 00:12:24,220 --> 00:12:25,300 walked out of his life. 177 00:12:26,020 --> 00:12:32,080 Then, in February 2019, eight months after Bill Taylor disappeared, a chance 178 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,920 discovery gave detectives a massive breakthrough. 179 00:12:36,860 --> 00:12:42,060 Bill's remains were found by a fisherman who wanted to get the perfect spot, so 180 00:12:42,060 --> 00:12:45,080 he'd actually gone onto private land owned by Angela. 181 00:12:45,710 --> 00:12:49,370 and discovered the remains of Bill Taylor by the riverbank. 182 00:12:50,670 --> 00:12:55,970 The body offered detectives an entirely new set of clues which could reveal for 183 00:12:55,970 --> 00:12:58,530 the first time how Bill Taylor died. 184 00:12:59,570 --> 00:13:04,810 We knew we were going to need to demonstrate that Bill hadn't gone there 185 00:13:04,810 --> 00:13:08,750 to take his own life and he hadn't gone there and been victim of some form of 186 00:13:08,750 --> 00:13:10,930 medical episode or accident. 187 00:13:12,370 --> 00:13:17,210 DCI Carl Foster needed a thorough forensic analysis of the body and the 188 00:13:17,210 --> 00:13:18,750 riverbank where it was found. 189 00:13:19,770 --> 00:13:23,490 So he turned again to expert witness Jennifer Miller. 190 00:13:24,050 --> 00:13:29,170 My remit was primarily to recover the body and interpret events at the scene, 191 00:13:29,290 --> 00:13:33,830 so how the body had got into the river as best as possible. 192 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:40,640 The mud was just short of a metre deep. All you could see was the head just at 193 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:45,020 the banking and the back, which was covered in algae, and there was nothing 194 00:13:45,020 --> 00:13:48,040 else visible. So it was face down in the mud. 195 00:13:51,900 --> 00:13:56,660 The first thing to do is try to understand how the body is lying, so the 196 00:13:56,660 --> 00:13:58,900 disposition of the remains, as it's called. 197 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:05,640 We're able to identify quite quickly that although he was lying face down, he 198 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,880 was actually standing up and he was just bent at the waist. 199 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,500 So that in itself is interesting. 200 00:14:12,540 --> 00:14:14,760 It's an unusual way to be in. 201 00:14:16,860 --> 00:14:21,500 This unusual position made Jennifer doubt that Bill had become stuck in the 202 00:14:21,500 --> 00:14:22,800 deep mud on his own. 203 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:28,760 The positioning of the body was such that both feet were facing the bank. 204 00:14:30,090 --> 00:14:35,490 It would be very difficult to walk in backwards through that thick mud without 205 00:14:35,490 --> 00:14:39,150 losing your balance and falling backwards rather than forwards, and 206 00:14:39,150 --> 00:14:42,830 perhaps that's the key point. As you lift your leg to go forwards, you're 207 00:14:42,830 --> 00:14:45,430 more likely to overbalance backwards than you are forwards. 208 00:14:45,750 --> 00:14:51,550 It's more suggestive of being laid there, being put over somebody's 209 00:14:51,550 --> 00:14:55,710 shoulder and with the feet facing forwards and deposited. 210 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:02,500 What's more, Jennifer concluded Bill may well have already been dead by the time 211 00:15:02,500 --> 00:15:03,700 he was placed in the river. 212 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:10,600 I think it's unlikely that he was put in there alive and effectively kicking 213 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:15,080 because he didn't kick. The feet were together, the knees were together, his 214 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:20,860 thighs were together. He was bolt upright and it's very unlikely, in my 215 00:15:20,860 --> 00:15:24,060 opinion, that he was conscious when this happened. 216 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,660 Under Jennifer's supervision, Bill's body was carefully recovered from the 217 00:15:29,660 --> 00:15:31,700 mud and sent for post-mortem. 218 00:15:32,180 --> 00:15:36,620 That revealed injuries to his neck, consistent with strangulation. 219 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:43,240 The case against Angela Taylor and Paul Cannon was now as strong as it could be. 220 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:49,200 Their trial began in September 2019, and Jennifer's evidence was crucial. 221 00:15:51,020 --> 00:15:55,560 At the trial, the defence were quite robust in their questioning. They 222 00:15:55,560 --> 00:16:01,820 insisted that he had potentially walked in and asked me to say if this was 223 00:16:01,820 --> 00:16:07,500 possible. And I did explain to them that having never taken a body into the mire, 224 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:14,380 I don't know. But I'm quite convinced, in my own opinion, that had he walked 225 00:16:14,380 --> 00:16:18,940 into the mire, then the disposition of the remains would have been very 226 00:16:18,940 --> 00:16:19,940 different. 227 00:16:20,670 --> 00:16:25,490 Jen was really important around the interpretation of that deposition site. 228 00:16:25,690 --> 00:16:29,270 Her evidence was absolutely solid and, yeah, couldn't ask for more, really. 229 00:16:34,390 --> 00:16:39,130 They talked of torturing him in text messages, discussed the cost of hiring a 230 00:16:39,130 --> 00:16:43,710 hitman, and today they were found guilty of his murder. A jury has decided that 231 00:16:43,710 --> 00:16:48,090 wealthy farmer Bill Taylor was killed by his wife and her lover for refusing her 232 00:16:48,090 --> 00:16:48,909 a divorce. 233 00:16:48,910 --> 00:16:52,350 duplicitous and calculating and plainly besotted. 234 00:16:52,630 --> 00:16:58,050 That was the judge's assessment today of lovers Angela Taylor and Paul Cannon as 235 00:16:58,050 --> 00:17:02,490 they were each sentenced to 21 years in prison for the murder of William Taylor. 236 00:17:04,450 --> 00:17:06,930 What a pointless, pointless exercise. 237 00:17:07,349 --> 00:17:12,750 The old fashion, like just removing a love rival, but it just seems so 238 00:17:12,750 --> 00:17:17,109 unnecessary, you know, to murder an old man 239 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:36,220 However unusual the crime, there's a science that can help solve it. In this 240 00:17:36,220 --> 00:17:40,820 next case, dozens of victims and a national manhunt led police to the 241 00:17:40,820 --> 00:17:43,520 suspect in a one-of-a-kind criminal investigation. 242 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:48,140 But in order to secure a conviction, police needed the expertise of a 243 00:17:48,140 --> 00:17:50,140 virologist, an expert in viruses. 244 00:17:53,260 --> 00:17:58,160 My main interest has been in the field of the evolution of viruses, how they 245 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:02,340 change over time. And I think that's obviously something that we're all very 246 00:18:02,340 --> 00:18:03,760 aware of with the COVID pandemic. 247 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:15,640 Edinburgh 2015, where a shocking crime is unfolding, one that will span the UK, 248 00:18:16,100 --> 00:18:21,180 affect dozens of gay men and end in a dramatic national manhunt. 249 00:18:23,340 --> 00:18:29,680 It started with one man, 26-year-old Daryl Rowe, and one of his victims, 250 00:18:30,020 --> 00:18:31,020 Stuart Roger. 251 00:18:31,660 --> 00:18:35,380 I came across Daryl Rowe through an app called Grindr. 252 00:18:35,980 --> 00:18:39,280 which is a sort of dating hook-up app, a bit akin to Tinder. 253 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:46,580 I agreed to meet up with Daryl, and during that encounter, he appeared to 254 00:18:46,580 --> 00:18:52,220 tamper or sabotage the condom, which I had insisted on being used. 255 00:18:54,360 --> 00:18:58,400 And at the time, I just wrote off as me over-worrying about something. 256 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,260 I kind of felt quite grossy after the encounter with Daryl, and, you know, the 257 00:19:04,260 --> 00:19:08,220 truth was there was a very dark atmosphere around him, which was 258 00:19:08,220 --> 00:19:09,620 unmistakable. 259 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:14,740 My gut instinct did say that there was something up with him and that there was 260 00:19:14,740 --> 00:19:19,700 something wrong, but unfortunately I ignored my gut instinct and lived to 261 00:19:19,700 --> 00:19:20,700 regret that. 262 00:19:23,020 --> 00:19:26,780 Stuart seemed to think that something was wrong, but confirmed within days 263 00:19:26,780 --> 00:19:30,560 when he received a string of sinister text messages from Roe. 264 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:37,160 About eight days later, after the encounter, he sent me a series of 265 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:43,020 abusive messages, revealing to me that he had indeed sabotaged the condom, 266 00:19:43,060 --> 00:19:48,280 along with a series of other insults and taunts. 267 00:19:50,220 --> 00:19:54,700 I felt an enormous sense of alarm and disturbance when I got those messages. 268 00:19:55,860 --> 00:19:59,300 And I knew that because he had subdued the condom, I was at risk of contracting 269 00:19:59,300 --> 00:20:04,540 something. So I arranged a HIV test as soon as I possibly could. 270 00:20:05,900 --> 00:20:09,660 A couple of weeks after that, I sadly got the phone call from the clinic 271 00:20:09,660 --> 00:20:14,200 asking me to come in that day and telling me that I was HIV positive. And 272 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,620 I knew that it was definitely him. 273 00:20:19,530 --> 00:20:23,270 I did contact the police, I think, within about a week of my diagnosis. 274 00:20:24,610 --> 00:20:27,970 You know, I was determined to get justice and I gave a full statement 275 00:20:27,970 --> 00:20:34,430 about what had happened and told them that this man had violated my consent 276 00:20:34,430 --> 00:20:38,010 and showed them the screen grabs of the messages that he had sent me. 277 00:20:39,510 --> 00:20:43,430 Police Scotland moved to arrest Abel Rowe, but he had fled. 278 00:20:44,439 --> 00:20:48,740 Detectives searched for him and were astonished when he turned up 500 miles 279 00:20:48,740 --> 00:20:50,240 away in Brighton. 280 00:20:51,140 --> 00:20:54,680 Here he was deliberately infecting more men with HIV. 281 00:20:59,420 --> 00:21:02,660 BBC journalist Carol Erskine reported on the case. 282 00:21:03,660 --> 00:21:08,580 In Brighton, another one of his victims had found out he had tested positive for 283 00:21:08,580 --> 00:21:13,540 HIV. He had gone to a clinic to be tested and while he was there he had 284 00:21:13,540 --> 00:21:17,700 shown text messages that Daryl Rowe had sent him, these terrible, horrible 285 00:21:17,700 --> 00:21:20,320 messages that he had sent him to staff at the clinic. 286 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,540 And they then realised that they had seen other men in the clinic who'd had 287 00:21:24,540 --> 00:21:25,540 similar messages. 288 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:32,160 Police now suspected they were dealing with a serial offender who had left 289 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,680 behind 14 victims in Edinburgh and now eight new victims in Brighton. 290 00:21:39,140 --> 00:21:44,260 Sussex police caught up with Daryl Rowe and he was arrested on a charge of GBH. 291 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:50,640 But Rowe denied all the charges and under questioning, he claimed he was not 292 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,080 even HIV positive. 293 00:21:53,700 --> 00:21:54,780 Do you have HIV? 294 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:56,280 No. 295 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,200 Have you had a HIV test recently? 296 00:22:01,900 --> 00:22:03,080 Not recently. 297 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:08,000 I had a relationship when I first got here and it was unprotected. 298 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,680 So I've not been tested after that. 299 00:22:13,060 --> 00:22:16,680 Okay. So you're saying a couple of months ago you had a relationship, had 300 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:17,680 unprotected sex? 301 00:22:17,820 --> 00:22:18,820 When I first got here. 302 00:22:18,980 --> 00:22:22,340 I was dating somebody pretty quickly and got quite intense. 303 00:22:25,149 --> 00:22:30,410 Darryl Rowe was bailed in Brighton to return to his foster parents in 304 00:22:30,410 --> 00:22:34,910 Scotland. It was after three weeks of living with them that he went on the run 305 00:22:34,910 --> 00:22:36,150 and was missing. 306 00:22:38,010 --> 00:22:40,570 Detectives were convinced Rowe would offend again. 307 00:22:41,370 --> 00:22:46,250 They shared his image with the media and a national manhunt swung into action. 308 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,720 Police found his tent in the Pentland Hills and they were able to identify it 309 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,300 as being his because it had his medication inside. 310 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:03,020 But for months there was no sign of Roe until one man saw Roe's image and had a 311 00:23:03,020 --> 00:23:04,020 chilling realisation. 312 00:23:05,180 --> 00:23:09,280 He was living in Newcastle with a man who believed he was in a relationship 313 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,000 with him and had no idea of his previous history. 314 00:23:13,550 --> 00:23:18,410 Roe had changed his name and bank details but continued with his prolific 315 00:23:18,410 --> 00:23:21,970 crime spree infecting even more victims with HIV. 316 00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:28,290 The nationwide manhunt to find him uncovered further victims and he was 317 00:23:28,290 --> 00:23:31,470 actually discovered on a dating website when police were able to compare 318 00:23:31,470 --> 00:23:35,130 pictures of his genitalia and discover that this is the man that they were 319 00:23:35,130 --> 00:23:36,130 looking for. 320 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:43,780 After a joint operation by Northumbria, Scotland and Sussex Police Forces, Roe 321 00:23:43,780 --> 00:23:46,060 was finally arrested in North Tyneside. 322 00:23:47,620 --> 00:23:51,600 But he claimed that his accusers could have caught HIV from anyone. 323 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,820 Detectives needed to prove that the infection could only have come from Roe. 324 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:03,500 So they turned to an expert witness, Peter Simmons, Professor of Virology at 325 00:24:03,500 --> 00:24:04,820 the University of Oxford. 326 00:24:06,030 --> 00:24:12,430 We were provided with blood samples from Roe and several alleged victims of him. 327 00:24:13,130 --> 00:24:15,710 We separated white cells from those. 328 00:24:15,930 --> 00:24:21,170 Within white cells, there'll be copies of HIV, often very low numbers, but we 329 00:24:21,170 --> 00:24:25,750 will then amplify those up to an extent, which means we can then directly 330 00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:29,710 determine their genetic sequence and analyze them for linkage. 331 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,660 evolves very quickly so it's not just one strain there are literally hundreds 332 00:24:39,660 --> 00:24:44,280 of thousands of different strains where you have a transmission of hiv then you 333 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,900 can see a resemblance between the strains infecting the two parties and it 334 00:24:48,900 --> 00:24:54,300 was really that type of linkage that we're looking for to substantiate the 335 00:24:54,300 --> 00:25:00,520 allegations that were made we conduct what we call phylogenetic analysis that 336 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,020 will show whether these strains cluster together 337 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,560 or whether they're unrelated to each other. 338 00:25:06,260 --> 00:25:10,440 Well, if we find a strong clustering of strains, and in fact in this case we 339 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,860 did, what this shows effectively is they share a similar or common strain of HIV, 340 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,900 and that would generally be acquired through transmission between them. 341 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:25,180 Having concluded a strain of HIV was common among Rowe and his victims, 342 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,980 Professor Simmons now had to recheck his results and run the analysis a second 343 00:25:29,980 --> 00:25:33,060 time. We were provided with a second set of samples. 344 00:25:33,530 --> 00:25:38,250 And the idea of that was to show that we reproducibly got the same strains from 345 00:25:38,250 --> 00:25:41,570 the individuals in a different set of samples. That was actually what the 346 00:25:41,570 --> 00:25:44,870 defence expert would demand that we provide as evidence. 347 00:25:47,130 --> 00:25:51,570 In 2018, Dabble Rowe was tried at courts in both England and Scotland. 348 00:25:51,870 --> 00:25:56,310 He was charged with causing grievous bodily harm with intent to infect HIV. 349 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,300 He became the first man in the country to be found guilty of intentionally 350 00:26:01,300 --> 00:26:02,920 trying to spread the virus. 351 00:26:06,380 --> 00:26:10,340 When we were in court, I saw him in the flesh for the first time since the 352 00:26:10,340 --> 00:26:13,340 incident, and that was very nerve-wracking. 353 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:22,060 It was kind of a vindication to see him cut down to size, and he was a much more 354 00:26:22,060 --> 00:26:25,440 belittled and humble figure sitting there in the dock. 355 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:32,020 I went to court and had to testify to the judge and jury. 356 00:26:33,340 --> 00:26:37,900 Finding such a strong cluster in such a large number of people was actually key 357 00:26:37,900 --> 00:26:41,700 to the certainty that Roe was involved in this. And I think the genetic 358 00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:47,460 evidence was very well understood by the jury and probably influenced their 359 00:26:47,460 --> 00:26:49,580 decision that he was guilty. 360 00:26:50,420 --> 00:26:52,840 Roe was sentenced to 12 years in England. 361 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,000 And in Scotland, he was given eight years and placed on the Sex Offenders 362 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,000 Register. 363 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:05,140 I felt a huge amount of relief, most of all. 364 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:11,080 Sadly, a lot of victims of sexual violence don't get justice, and I was 365 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,320 very lucky in that respect. And actually, that's a credit to the 366 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,600 professionalism of everybody involved on the case. 367 00:27:18,430 --> 00:27:21,970 Peter Simmons' work was crucial in convicting Daryl because it helped us 368 00:27:21,970 --> 00:27:25,810 get to the point where it could be proved beyond reasonable doubt that it 369 00:27:25,810 --> 00:27:27,710 had been transmitted from him to me. 370 00:27:29,330 --> 00:27:34,150 Without a virology finding, the prosecution would rely on the fact that 371 00:27:34,150 --> 00:27:38,610 there was a consistent contact history between Roe and the individuals 372 00:27:38,610 --> 00:27:39,610 concerned. 373 00:27:39,850 --> 00:27:44,590 So having the genetic evidence was certainly very important in showing the 374 00:27:44,590 --> 00:27:46,350 linkage between HIV strains. 375 00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:48,720 within the various parties involved. 376 00:27:53,460 --> 00:27:58,680 Two very different cases there, but both needing the extraordinary skills of 377 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:03,180 expert witnesses to dig beneath the surface and help detectives uncover the 378 00:28:03,180 --> 00:28:05,980 truth and bring those responsible to justice. 35593

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