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But you're still too young, man. You can't do all that yet – you can't even see the big picture.
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Downloaded from
YTS.BZ
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Picture, man.
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(Skateboard rolls)
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Official YIFY movies site:
YTS.BZ
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(cheerful music)
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Nice.
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It's not her crimson lips.
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Willie Sanchez.
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Or
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My film "We Are Skateboarders" was indeed a very
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The much-discussed skateboard documentary was actually
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the second most-watched skateboard documentary
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directly below Dogtown and the Z-Boys.
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It was, uh, definitely not
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Commercial success. Uh,
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I believe I earned at most $25,000 over time.
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The last 16 years since its release in November
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2010.
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Her evil love. Her evil love. Her evil love. Yes.
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You hear it in therapy, in the field of mental health, or when trying to re-evaluate things.
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How do you define success, for example?
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I, for example, travel all over the place, back and forth, here and there.
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So, how I messed it up.
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It's not that devilish smile or that pitch-black black.
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Her
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or houses that are ready to burn down.
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But the truth is that over time I have to accept the following:
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One area where I have significantly improved is the fact that
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I suffered from an undiagnosed bipolar disorder.
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With their evil ways. With their love. Their wickedness.
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Love. Her evil love.
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I don't think this is a typical textbook quote, but I would describe it as undiagnosed.
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Bipolar disorder – an emotional and mental tyrant.
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You know, that actually applies to me, and what I've experienced is this:
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The best way to put it.
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(laughs)
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Devilish.
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Damn right, dude. I love you, dog.
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Seriously.
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It's not her crimson lips.
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It's really annoying, because when I look back on this experience, I
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I feel nothing but hatred.
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Um, not just because of experience in general, but actually with regard to
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Myself. Um, very, very serious.
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Resentment and anger that I left
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behind everyone I have ever loved
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being surrounded by professional skateboarders, whom I normally...
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Film for one or two days and then never see each other again.
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One day, about five months ago, I was in therapy and I was
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Something like: “Jack, well, I, uh, I can’t anymore…”
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"I've been nurturing this for 15 years." You know? I mean, I've been nurturing this for 15 years.
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I repressed it for 15 years.
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How,
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But when I tell you this in the session, you'll know, it's simply free thinking.
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And then I fire, and I start crying so hard that I can't anymore.
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even be legible.
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So I thought: Okay, I'll write it out in an essay.
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The entire experience, just for you, so you can read it.
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And then we continued talking. And it worked.
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It helped. It triggered a whole chain reaction.
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Revelations.
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Skateboarding is one of the few things that are still real in this world, and
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We are skateboarders.
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(Wheels roll)
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It only got better when I placed this great deal of trust in the therapy.
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And, uh, you know, I think here's a really good example.
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So I had this diary, this little diary, and, um, I
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would take the diary, um, any
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Tag
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I went to a CVS pharmacy and sat down in the alley behind it.
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and I would record my psychotic thoughts in a diary.
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Like,
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You know, I was repeatedly in a psychotic state and simply in a
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persistent state of manic depression.
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Um, what breaks my heart is that I did exactly that.
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On my 19th birthday. You know, roughly, and during
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In therapy, I'm working very hard to never look back in anger again.
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or with sadness or even self-pity, along the lines of: I never want to again
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Look back and remember how that felt.
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As always, you know? Um,
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But
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That was before I finally started publishing anything.
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Everything I held onto for 15 years because I simply couldn't bear it.
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Not anymore. And I think since I
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I had this thought about how I approach looking at myself.
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Then, um, through the lens I have now, uh,
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Sixteen years later, it was actually something like the beginning of
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everything.
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When I was 17, my mother took me to see a medium.
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And back then, you know, I would have done anything with it, or
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For my mother. And so I did it, exactly as the medium had told me.
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I wanted to make a skateboarding film that would change the world.
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World. And although by no means
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I made a skateboarding documentary, We Are Skateboarders, which...
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World, um, I think that
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I had the opportunity to make this film because I had this medium.
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And it took me a long time to say those words.
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Something bigger than you, you understand?
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It's as if you were part of the culture, as if you were part of the
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People around you.
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For me, the motivation of every skateboarder is learning a new trick.
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whether it's about learning a 5-0 on a mini ramp or about learning
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Do a Switch 360 heel flip. You know, something like that.
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The essential thing is to find this joy in progress, because there is
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There's nothing else like it. You know, money can't buy something like this.
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That surpasses all fame and fortune,
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Status. Uh... Having a Pro model. I mean, just that.
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the feeling that skateboarding gives you, the feeling of that achievement, you
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You know? And when you roll away, um, it's an incredibly great feeling.
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of the world.
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Oh no! (Happy music)
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(Skateboards roll)
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Was
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What the hell?
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Are you trying to threaten me?
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Stay back, we're skateboarding.
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The
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What are you looking at? To most of society, that makes absolutely no sense.
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(Skateboards roll) Nobody should
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to be present on this property in any way.
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(Skateboards roll) And then there's us.
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Skaters for whom it makes perfect sense,
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where, uh, it's simply a different world.
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It's a place where you can escape from everyday life. And it's a place for
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You and your friends, to escape together.
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It makes absolutely no logical sense what skaters are doing, grinding on edges, jumping.
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Gaps down. I mean, it looks cool, but it also feels great and
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It transports you directly into the moment like nothing else.
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And it reminds you that you are alive.
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I think that between what she had said and what she had already flown, I am thinking of the situation that lay between what she had said and the current flying.
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with delusions of grandeur and... Because that is actually a very common thing.
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Symptom of bipolar disorder. Um, I just...
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When I watched it back then, it was as if something suddenly happened in my head, like: "What?"
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"What would you do if you couldn't fail?", you know?
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When my best friend went home that summer,
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I simply said to myself: "I will become a
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A skateboard documentary that should be sold worldwide
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DVD, and I will see it through to the end and
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"I don't care what happens to me." In the end, I lived with a very, very
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Sweet mother and daughter, um, in a small house
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in Los Angeles. And very, very slowly but surely
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started approaching skateboarders.
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Um, I just went to skate shops and told them that I wanted
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to film with them and "I have an idea for a documentary film".
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It all started, uh, on Santa Monica Boulevard.
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and Olympic Boulevard. My memory is so bad, I don't remember if it was a
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Whether it's a shitty boulevard or a street, I don't care.
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So it was actually Alec Beck who tried that.
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Classic wallride to the frontboard. And, uh, one of the
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On each of the seven days I was filming, this guy just rolled up.
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The hill. Oh man. Rest in peace, Curt Stevenson.
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I love you, brother. And, um,
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He just rolls down the hill and is holding a damn TransWorld magazine.
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And the reason he was holding it was because it contained an article about
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his father. Could you, uh, could you please send another payment now?
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Alter?
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Look, your blackmail tactics might work elsewhere, my friend.
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But they will have to work here too.
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Otherwise, I would have to call you seven times just to receive a single payment.
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Alter.
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Hold onto.
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The first thing Curt said to me, probably even before greeting me, was whether I had ever heard of him.
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My father's magazine from the late 80s called Power Edge.
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I told him no, and then he asked me if I had ever heard of Rick Kosick from Jackass.
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And I said yes. He brought me a shoebox full of issues of the magazine.
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I owned old Power Edge magazines, and it was the best magazine I ever had.
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saw. For so many of the world's legendary skaters, guys like Tony
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Hawk, Danny Way, Lance Mountain, Mike Vallely, they have their very
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First skateboard photos in a Power Edge magazine.
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We drove around for a bit. He explained to me how he recovered from his illness.
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his past. "Have you ever done a Batman appearance?" he asked.
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"What?" I said. "Have you ever done a Batman performance?"
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"Just answer the question." "No." And he did.
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He jerked the handbrake on and let the wheels spin, causing the car to do a 180-degree turn in a flash.
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to the other side of the street. It was raining, and that was by far the worst part.
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The most dangerous thing I've ever done in my life, let alone with someone I'd only known for a short time.
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one hour.
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Look, Makaha came up with the kicktail.
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Yes.
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What do you want from me? What do you want from Makaha? What do you need?
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You need innovation? Go back, what's that? 50 years?
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Okay, let's go back 45 years and see what people were doing back then.
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And they're even better designed, I'm sorry.
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And that's not because he's your father, but simply because it's the truth.
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Curt had to deal with many problems that I could never really identify with, but
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His biggest problem, which I fully understood, was that his father, Larry
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Stevenson-
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When I see double.
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I see that you are standing by my side in two ways. You are taking me.
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page. I can't so much
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Lie.
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You're taking my side. Give me
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My pride is back.
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Larry Stevenson is not only the original publisher of Power Edge magazine, but also the
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He is the creator of Makaha skateboards, but he is also the reason why skateboards are not
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No longer flat. Larry Stevenson patented it in 1971.
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Kick Tail.
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I'm not very good at lying.
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In my opinion, Curt tried to save his father from Parkinson's disease by bringing him back.
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He brought his old magazine back to life, and I wanted to help him.
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You're on my side. Give me back my pride.
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Right at that moment, I swear, he just said:
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He told me all about Power Edge and said something like:
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"Would you like to become editor-in-chief of this magazine?" So I was
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Something like: "Yes, of course." Do you understand?
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And I wrote home and immediately wrote an essay entitled
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Alive, and, um, that's what it was all about the whole time.
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I felt alive, but the difference between living and feeling alive – and I made it happen.
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him, and he loved it and, uh, you know, in
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his own way.
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(laughs) Of course there was also Spencer, the graphic designer at Power Edge, who
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He learned a new meaning of patience when he dealt with a 19-year-old who explained to him how
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to create a magazine. And Romano, the editor, who did all
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His greatest wish in life was to interview Mike V., which he did, and we included it in the...
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Magazine. I love Romano more than anything, but he was even crazier than me and
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Curt.
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The only sport where falling down is accepted…
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Skateboarding is just skateboarding, damn it. Think about it, it's totally okay.
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When you roll. I mean, in hockey you fight, but
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Skateboarding...
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Damn right, Romano. (Instrumental music begins) The craziest thing about the whole thing
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The problem is that I didn't receive a single cent for creating the magazine until the third day.
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There was a problem when I asked for $300 a month if they wanted me to
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on. After about three months of working for the magazine, I
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I contacted Jake Brown through Power Edge's MySpace profile, and he was totally thrilled.
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for Power Edge. We met at the Roosevelt Hotel on the Hollywood Strip, and then
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One night it seemed as if all the doors suddenly opened for me.
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After receiving sponsorship from Power Edge magazine regarding skateboarding…
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and the skateboard industry, uh, and my ability to simply
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I couldn't approach a professional skateboarder or call him; I had no way to do so.
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The problem is basically that I can't get a single job interview that I want.
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professional skateboarder
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Legends or the most popular boy of the time.
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(Rock music plays)
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Welcome back to Daily Habit, presented by Verizon Wireless.
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Guest presenter Will Tan is here with filmmaker and editor Ben Duffy and professional skateboarder Sammy.
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Baptista. Welcome to the show. Yes. Welcome back, Sammy. Thank you for the invitation.
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How are you? Good.
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Yes, Man.
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Cool, cool. So, we're here to, um, talk a little bit about your new film "We Are".
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Skateboarder.
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Perfect.
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Okay. No, thank you. Just...
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Okay.
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Skateboarding is a crime.
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Back then, there were only five kids in my high school who
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He went ice skating. It wasn't anything cool. Well, that's exactly why it was cool, because you...
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Do something else.
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Oh, perfect. (laughs) No problem.
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I use it in my butt crack.
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Circumstantial evidence. Face in my
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Spirit. Trial without a jury.
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The tails on the shirt.
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Where?
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Just because you have penises on your t-shirt doesn't mean you're gay.
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Just because you take a picture with a gay man doesn't mean you're queer.
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And if... you know what? I'd rather hang out with a gay guy than with a fucking...
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Athletes, anytime. I'm sorry. It'll stop you.
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Murdering people deters you from breaking into houses.
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It doesn't stop you, it just forces you to do things.
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less. (laughs) Believe me, it is
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It's not a cure-all, but it's damn good.
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helps.
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Oh! (Soft music plays) It still helps so much.
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I'm giving you this support and this kind of appreciation, along the lines of: "Everything's okay." Yes.
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Yes, yes. "Someone's behind this. Let's do it." Something like that.
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Jake Brown said: "Oh, I'm totally into Power Edge," you know?
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And then I met him – wonderful. ... and then that night at the Hotel Rosa,
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For example, I interviewed Sean Sheffey, Griff Berg, and Colin McKay. Completely unexpectedly.
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And I met Rob Dyrdek that evening, and I said, "Rob, you want..."
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"Do you want to join?" He replied: And everyone joined in.
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He said something like, "Dude, Power Edge, that was one of the greatest things I've ever experienced."
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“Life.” Yes. You know? Honestly, it felt like day after day…
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I kept getting closer to, uh,
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My symptoms worsened significantly during filming.
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Not so much from day to day, but noticeably from week to week.
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Week. Um, and when you have no idea what's wrong with you.
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because you have an undiagnosed bipolar disorder and you have
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No one with expertise who could tell you what is actually happening.
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Of,
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It's incredibly frightening. Seriously, it's absolutely traumatizing.
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And I think – and I am neither a psychiatrist nor a therapist – but
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I think what makes it even more traumatic is the fact that...
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that you're fighting against it. As if you're suppressing all your fear and you're not...
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Tell someone about it, you know?
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I block it out every day because that's just how it is.
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When I pause and think about what the hell I'm feeling and thinking right now, then…
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Now I think to myself:
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I'm going to curl up in a corner and hide, just drop everything and cry.
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wines and wines, and just like
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One day I got out of there. I barely ate anything for two years.
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So, it was, you know... Oh, you don't go hungry when you
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You're holding a camera in your hand. You're hungry when you're finished.
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How,
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I suppose so. But that's just how it is, what people...
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Uh, try to make it sound like it's cool.
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But honestly, I'm telling you right now, there was nothing cool about it.
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You know, there was once, um, with one of the very first, very few
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Skateboarders I became close friends with, really very close;
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He was truly like a brother to me.
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Um, he just meant something like: "Ben, if you get hungry and you have nothing
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Eat enough to be full for the day, some salad and a Snickers, and not...
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"Think of everything else." And
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It helped. Really, it helped. I believe that
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The power of denial of exactly how
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If I thought about how hungry I am every day
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If the film had been shot all day or at any time on that day, then he would have seen that film.
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It was never produced because I simply...
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That would have been it, that's what I would have focused on, given how small I was.
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Eat.
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Have you got it? Have you come far enough yet?
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It's on my mind. It's eating away at my spine.
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I even set it up for the reverse. See?
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I took the pliers.
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And I have mine, I have my girlfriend's
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I stuffed underwear in as padding (laughs) so I could do a handplant.
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(laughs)
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In
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Danny's underwear.
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What do you think will happen?
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Ready?
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Yes.
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I'm thinking more about specific times when
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It didn't hurt at all, actually. And that's strange.
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Because
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For example, uh, one night I was
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I'm taking the bus, uh, home from Santa Monica.
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Incidentally, I lived on Pico Boulevard, very close to, uh, the whole
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Trendy Fairfax district bullshit.
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And, um, there was a really nice guy on the bus, and he had a
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Skateboard. And uh, Chris actually ended up being my skateboard.
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My very first boyfriend in LA,
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uh-One
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I was at his house that night. (A car drives by.) Uh, he actually lived with me.
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His mother back then. You know, we were 19.
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His cousin came home and, uh, he was a Crip, and he was like:
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"Hey, what's up, dude? What have you been up to?" And he was like:
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"Hurtful." And while he said that, he was
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Fold his laundry and put it in a chest of drawers.
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And
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I... Even then, I felt it was so human.
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That was a moment I was fortunate enough to experience. It was like: You can do it, great!
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A well-trained guy in one of the most dangerous gangs ever.
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in America, and he is folding his clothes.
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and probably just trying to find inner peace.
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all the others. And when I look back,
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That is truly a wonderful memory for me.
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For example, when I was, um, in Skid Row.
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I had just started filming a documentary.
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about homeless people. I had told my mother: “Because you sold the house and because
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My father is gone, um, I know I'm going to end up homeless.
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Me too.” And I wanted to try to feel closer.
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I tried to imagine the feelings of homeless people, and therefore told myself: “Every day
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I'm not filming for We Are Skateboarders, I'm going downtown.
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LA and interview homeless people and simply film in
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"Generally speaking." And, um, and I would give them a dollar,
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Um, because that was all I had to have enough left over for the trip.
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I took the bus home. And, um, you know, I did that for
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After about a month I landed in Skid Row and was
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I was filming when this guy, this big guy, just walked up to me, pretty
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Fast. I just thought, "Oh, shit," and panicked.
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And, uh, he just said: "No, no, man."
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I don't want to hurt you, but I just wanted to tell you that there's something there.
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Those guys down there who told me they were coming to kill and rob you.
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"Camera." I just thought, "Oh my God." Like, "Thank you." And then I packed my camera.
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Damn it, I quickly put the camera in and then just ran away.
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out of Skid Row. And you know how it was back then, when I
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Looking back, it's such a beautiful memory for me, because
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When I think back on this guy, I only have the best memories.
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And the paradox is that…
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These are the good memories, and 90% of the memories I have
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Half of the filming with the professional skateboarders actually took place.
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Painful. For me it was simply like this, (sighs) you
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knowledge,
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I would be so happy to film them, and especially if they
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I landed a trick and filmed it well, and everyone was totally thrilled.
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You know, I wasn't the only one who was overjoyed.
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It was strange because it wasn't even manic or depressive.
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It was as if it were in a state of equilibrium.
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Euphoria, just like the feeling, just like all the others
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Otherwise, I couldn't care less who you are, what you're going through, or what your
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The state is... simply calm, because one has the feeling of having achieved something.
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something. And it really was something special and
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I would
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come back
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On the bus on the way home, just like that.
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I would say: "I want to fucking kill myself now."
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These bus journeys were carried out every day for two people.
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Years. I remember, for example, a time when I became ill from
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I had a bad stomach infection and tossed and turned in bed as if I...
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Phone calls, like searching for someone, a skater, to
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Film with me on that day for the documentary.
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And honestly, I'm so glad that nobody was able to do it.
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Because I would have done it, you know, without hesitation, you know?
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And that's exactly it. I'd rather be dead.
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I'd rather not be filming for my documentary today. Hmm.
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This happened every day. (A bus drives by.) The recurring question: Where to?
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Whether skateboarding will catch on may still be a mystery, but one thing is certain:
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Sure, skateboarding has changed.
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There was a time when YouTube and blank card games were not yet commonplace, and people
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Skate shops were indeed supported. It's often said: "There was a
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Do you remember the moment you met another skater on the street and an instant connection was formed?
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"Even friendships simply because they were figure skaters." But that seems to be the case.
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Nowadays it's just a quote. What really happened to
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Has skateboarding perhaps become too popular for his own
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Good? Where is the soul of
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Can you go skateboarding?
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Over the years, for example during the third hospital admission of
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I was hospitalized twice during my fourth year of life.
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23. The first time I was there, I was diagnosed with the following:
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I have bipolar disorder and have been hospitalized twice.
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28. The first time I was 28, I was in the hospital and
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One of the therapists told me that bipolar disorder type 1 is actually
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the most difficult mental illness to treat, because it
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There's absolutely nothing you can do about it.
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You know, I (exhales) like
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I rarely drank and maybe coughed once or twice – that was about 40 times in two days.
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Years. And
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Yes, I smoked weed occasionally. I mean, I was never really...
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not so fixated on it or done it so often, but more cannabis than alcohol.
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And you know, I had practically none
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Female intimacy, uh, the whole time until the last month
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Movies. I have a girlfriend, and that
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It was just before I moved back to New York.
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York.
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(Soft music) No matter how many people surrounded me
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But in my heart I lived in complete...
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Isolation. You know, my parents were...
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uh, (laughs)
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out of the picture, uh, in their own unique way.
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And that's all I'm going to say about it.
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But, um,
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That's crazy, like, uh... Yeah,
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After writing this essay, I had really worked out every detail.
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The damned blood and the pain I felt back then, and it was strange because…
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A week later I went to my therapist and said, "You know, man, I've realized..."
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The
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actually like this:
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The most painful part is that I didn't include something in the essay.
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"Because I've still repressed it." And you
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Like I said, my parents no longer played a role, and, um,
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I was just thinking...
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How,
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I was 19 and I was really scared.
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And I just thought to myself, "What if one day..."
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Just for a moment, I could have a moment where my parents
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come together and simply
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"Give me a hug at the same time?" Do you understand?
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Something like: "I need you right now." Do you understand?
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Something like: "I live with an undiagnosed bipolar disorder."
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And I am suffering, and I don't think it should be like this.
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It is a luxury to, for example, wish for a hug.
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"From both parents at the same time." Something like that, you understand?
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Just like,
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just like
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"Stop, stop forgetting me, you know, for just two seconds." You
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knowledge?
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(Instrumental music plays)
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Going out and, and, and messing everything up, you
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knowledge?
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I need to call security, man. No, dude, you don't.
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I just did it again.
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Uh, that's not possible.
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Breaking things and (laughs) and, uh,
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Taking a break, you know, and skating where we're not supposed to skate, and, and, and skating
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How we're not supposed to skate.
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Finally, another such thought
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It's somehow been forgotten. I'm serious, man.
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How,
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The essay and all the revelations since then – it's as if
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At some point I got to the point where I thought, "You know, Jack," something like:
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"I wish I had a little more of that."
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“This guy”, during the filming of We Are Skateboarders.
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Honestly, yes. You know? I was fearless and
476
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I said that over and over again, session after session.
477
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It was like I thought, "Damn, man." I started to miss that.
478
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A version of me, for the first time in 15 years.
479
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And finally, always only
480
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When I look at a photo of myself from that time and feel only contempt or
481
00:27:12,876 --> 00:27:16,846
When people randomly approached me everywhere I went, mostly at the skate park.
482
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and then say something like: "Oh, oh," or: "I saw We Are Skateboarders." Or: "You did...."
483
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“We Are Skateboarders.” And I was like: “Yeah, yeah.”
484
00:27:23,416 --> 00:27:24,756
"Uh." And then I would simply try to
485
00:27:25,636 --> 00:27:28,836
At that moment, you metaphorically run away, you know, and
486
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Just totally weird. (laughs)
487
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You know, I'm trying to change all of this right now, all of it.
488
00:27:37,476 --> 00:27:40,696
emotional pain and so, uh, psychological
489
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Pain. It was quite...
490
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shortly after We Are Skateboarders was released and became successful,
491
00:27:48,276 --> 00:27:51,756
You know, so many prime ministers. Uh, it was sold.
492
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Available worldwide on DVD in excellent condition, and...
493
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We are here in Germany for the premiere of We Are
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Skateboarder.
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(Camera click)
496
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Well, Dog?
497
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The same.
498
00:28:11,636 --> 00:28:12,356
Yes.
499
00:28:13,596 --> 00:28:16,676
Are you filming? (?)
500
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The
501
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I was just thinking:
502
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You know, I've showered about four times.
503
00:28:26,916 --> 00:28:30,836
Once a week, so normally three times, and, uh, from December until
504
00:28:31,236 --> 00:28:35,016
Damn it, you know, towards the end of summer or something, and I would wear this damn thing.
505
00:28:35,616 --> 00:28:39,536
A green and white swimsuit made of mercury – and I swear, when I look at it, I feel…
506
00:28:39,596 --> 00:28:42,496
Back to the point: I wore this swimsuit for six months.
507
00:28:42,516 --> 00:28:46,275
Absolutely. Even in summer. You know? And if you
508
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Ask my friends from back then, they would say: "That's absolutely true."
509
00:28:50,196 --> 00:28:52,856
"He loved that swimsuit." You know?
510
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Also,
511
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Um, when I travelled to Ireland, I saw a screening of We
512
00:28:58,416 --> 00:29:01,836
Are there skateboarders in Ireland? And I filmed some too.
513
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for the documentary I was working on, um, it was called
514
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Heart Child, which followed We Are Skateboarders.
515
00:29:08,616 --> 00:29:11,636
Um, well yes, we filmed in Ireland, and
516
00:29:12,496 --> 00:29:16,396
I arrive at the airport in New York, uh, and
517
00:29:16,536 --> 00:29:20,296
I just thought: I had the worst groin rash imaginable.
518
00:29:20,376 --> 00:29:22,696
Could you have imagined that? I was burning like fire.
519
00:29:22,736 --> 00:29:26,516
So, (sighs) I called my friend who had herpes, and said something like:
520
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"Dude, do I have herpes?" He said, "No." I said, "Damn, yes, I do."
521
00:29:30,036 --> 00:29:33,636
Something like: "Okay." So, I arrive in Dublin, around
522
00:29:33,936 --> 00:29:37,426
It's 5:30 in the morning and it's unbearable.
523
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Just like, exactly like that
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I have to, I have to come up with something right now.
525
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I mean, I'm going to ruin the whole Ireland experience, and everything else too.
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Countries we will visit on this trip.
527
00:29:46,876 --> 00:29:49,936
And, uh, I just thought, "Well, (sighs) damn tracing." It always works.
528
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So I turned on the stupid tracing device, and 10 minutes later I felt fine again.
529
00:29:53,596 --> 00:29:57,536
Uh, I threw away the swimsuit, put on some trousers, and then in the end I did the following:
530
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Boneless on a bridge at 7:30 in the morning in
531
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D- in Dublin and, I could easily have gone into the...
532
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I went to the river, and I didn't, and rolled away with a smile on my face.
533
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And that's exactly it, you know?
534
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So, I mean... If someone
535
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would have approached me back then and simply said:
536
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Something like: "What do these words mean to you?"
537
00:30:21,926 --> 00:30:25,836
Regarding "uncertainty" and "external confirmation," I would say:
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"What the hell is this crap?" Something like: "Why, why, why would anyone need something like this?"
539
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You know? Something like...
540
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Hmm. The freedom I had back then
541
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felt
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It was not a liberation from my mental illness.
543
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It was indeed a feeling of freedom, because
544
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I felt so free
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For the first time in two years, I am free from the torment of my mental illness.
546
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For years. I really wanted to tell my therapist this story.
547
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I'm already counting down the minutes.
548
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So I told him this story, and after that I began to feel
549
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We think everything about We Are Skateboarders is great.
550
00:31:01,106 --> 00:31:04,416
And I don't know why, but it immediately came to mind that I wanted to listen to it, Labi.
551
00:31:04,495 --> 00:31:08,416
A Siffre song I love. (Car ride) And, you know, it's
552
00:31:08,515 --> 00:31:12,156
A truly beautiful song, and I think to myself:
553
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Something like: "Hm, I would really like to find that photo of myself doing that."
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"The Balancing Act Bridge in Dublin, Ireland." I know it exists; I've seen it.
555
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Thousands of times before. So I keep looking because I wanted to show that I
556
00:31:22,775 --> 00:31:25,775
Therapist. And I searched and searched and searched, but I couldn't find her anywhere.
557
00:31:25,815 --> 00:31:29,315
Then I thought to myself, "Ah, maybe I'll check out my best friend's old Flickr account."
558
00:31:29,356 --> 00:31:33,255
"That must be at least 15 years old. It has to be on there." Well, I couldn't find it.
559
00:31:33,295 --> 00:31:35,856
I searched and searched for it.
560
00:31:35,866 --> 00:31:37,596
I just thought, "Holy shit."
561
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And I found a photo of myself.
562
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About a quarter of the filming for We Are has been completed.
563
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Skateboarder, the first year I became bipolar
564
00:31:51,636 --> 00:31:54,005
disorder and
565
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You know, I just kept listening to the song.
566
00:31:56,936 --> 00:32:00,696
I had just gotten ready for a long car ride, so I got into my car and
567
00:32:00,995 --> 00:32:04,275
I... for some reason, I listened to this song over and over again.
568
00:32:04,315 --> 00:32:07,055
I just thought, "Oh yes, I want to look at that photo again."
569
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I don't know why.
570
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(Instrumental music plays) The lyrics are:
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00:32:14,936 --> 00:32:18,436
Something like: "Hug me."
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Like,
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After all these years, I still love you. I need you more than ever.
574
00:32:22,876 --> 00:32:25,495
"I love you for all eternity." And I just sit there,
575
00:32:25,535 --> 00:32:29,255
I was just...
576
00:32:29,295 --> 00:32:33,076
For the first time in 15 years, you know, in the last few years
577
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For months I think, "I wish I had more of him." Do you understand? I really do wish that.
578
00:32:36,856 --> 00:32:40,696
So, you know, in this song lyric, like: "Take me in your arms,"
579
00:32:41,676 --> 00:32:41,815
I
580
00:32:42,956 --> 00:32:46,196
For a moment I thought, "Oh, that reminds me of the time I wished my
581
00:32:46,335 --> 00:32:49,035
My parents could hug me at the same time.” You know?
582
00:32:49,136 --> 00:32:52,775
And I thought, "No, no, no, no, this has nothing to do with my damn parents, does it?"
583
00:32:52,835 --> 00:32:56,795
"Now it's about me." And I wanted to hug him.
584
00:32:56,876 --> 00:33:00,535
That, that, that We Are Skateboarders – me at 19
585
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I've been through all of that. For example, I looked at myself,
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like,
587
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Then
588
00:33:08,176 --> 00:33:10,696
Imagine you were a 36-year-old man sitting in my car!
589
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And I just thought, "Oh God. This is too intense. I have to get away."
590
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I have to go. I need to get ready for this trip.
591
00:33:16,616 --> 00:33:19,936
"I'm just going to take off." And I was like: "Ben,
592
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Just smoke a cigarette and sit down. It feels wonderful.
593
00:33:25,136 --> 00:33:28,835
You've waited so long for this.
594
00:33:29,055 --> 00:33:32,995
Honestly, it's one minute and 15 minutes, it's one minute and 15 minutes.
595
00:33:33,035 --> 00:33:33,596
second long
596
00:33:35,156 --> 00:33:38,976
I had listened to the song over and over again and looked at the photo.
597
00:33:39,015 --> 00:33:42,255
As I did it, I cried harder and harder each time.
598
00:33:42,356 --> 00:33:46,025
And, you know, after all that damn whining...
599
00:33:46,196 --> 00:33:49,576
He probably thought to himself, "Okay, then I'll get going now," you know?
600
00:33:49,696 --> 00:33:53,004
When I was on my way, I just thought...
601
00:33:53,055 --> 00:33:56,515
You know, I always told that to Jack, my therapist, and only to him.
602
00:33:56,596 --> 00:34:00,386
Him, that, um, about We Are Skateboarders and
603
00:34:00,436 --> 00:34:03,995
everything I've been through and, you know, living with it
604
00:34:04,055 --> 00:34:07,936
My undiagnosed bipolar disorder and how I messed everything up and all that crap
605
00:34:07,976 --> 00:34:11,536
You know, all these traumas will accompany me throughout my life.
606
00:34:11,556 --> 00:34:15,315
And I never told him, and I
607
00:34:15,375 --> 00:34:19,056
I never said to myself, like, "I'm developing bipolar disorder."
608
00:34:19,355 --> 00:34:23,176
That alone is hard enough. How can I possibly blame that?
609
00:34:23,576 --> 00:34:27,476
The "We Are Skateboarders" version of me, because I've been through what I've been through.
610
00:34:27,536 --> 00:34:28,835
through?"
611
00:34:30,235 --> 00:34:32,996
That's forgiveness, you know? Something like...
612
00:34:33,036 --> 00:34:36,866
Self-compassion. And I just thought, "I did all this on my own."
613
00:34:36,915 --> 00:34:37,915
"Unique." You know? Like:
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00:34:38,755 --> 00:34:42,656
no parents, no psychiatrists, no therapists, and
615
00:34:42,735 --> 00:34:46,485
After my best friend moved back home, as you know, I didn't have any friends for a very long time.
616
00:34:46,536 --> 00:34:47,196
a long time.
617
00:34:48,556 --> 00:34:49,355
Exactly that type.
618
00:34:50,176 --> 00:34:53,656
I sit alone behind the CVS pharmacy in an alley and write in my diary – psychotically.
619
00:34:53,735 --> 00:34:54,616
Thoughts. And
620
00:34:55,835 --> 00:34:59,216
When I think of that guy today, all I can say is, "I'm proud of you."
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00:34:59,256 --> 00:34:59,895
Brother."
622
00:34:59,915 --> 00:35:31,266
(Instrumental music plays)
623
00:35:31,266 --> 00:35:35,125
No, I can't. Ah. I
624
00:35:35,125 --> 00:35:37,935
I wish I could make them.
625
00:35:37,956 --> 00:35:39,975
understand.
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00:35:42,236 --> 00:35:42,435
I
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00:35:45,475 --> 00:36:07,246
want
628
00:36:07,246 --> 00:36:19,395
To
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00:36:20,176 --> 00:36:23,796
Help them, they
630
00:36:24,935 --> 00:36:26,356
I don't understand it.
631
00:36:26,375 --> 00:36:26,706
Ah!
632
00:36:26,706 --> 00:36:31,076
(Screw jump set)
633
00:36:40,886 --> 00:39:06,766
(Music)
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