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the people are represented
the people are represented

by two separate
yet equally important groups:

the police,
who investigate crime

and the district attorneys,
who prosecute the offenders.

These are their stories.

I am so sick of this man.

Camera one, stay wide.

Hey, how do you justify
not picking up

your own things, Amber?

I'm just curious. MAN: Camera two

move in on Amber. AMBER: I don't justify
it.

I just have a lot of other
things on my mind right now.

Is this about your cat?

Yeah, it's about my cat.

He's been missing for three days

and I'm really worried.

Okay, camera two, pick up Rocky.

So, why aren't
you out

looking for your cat

instead of sitting on your ass
reading magazines?

Where do you
suggest I look?

If you want, I'll
help you look for it.

You're sweet.

But what I really want
is a little support.

Please...

Where are you, Isaac?

Come on, baby.

Wesley Tatum,
20 years old.

Looks like he
went off the roof.

Jumped or pushed?

Body's pretty mangled.
Hard to tell.

So, how long's he been dead?

I'm going to say two hours,
give or take.

Who found the body?

A group from upstairs.

What group?

You know that show, uh,
Deal with It?

Yeah, I know it.

They live in a loft
in the building.

Dead kid's a cast member.

Oh, yeah, right.

So, where are
these kids now?

They were gone
when we got here.

What do you mean "gone"?

Well, some of the
production people said

the producers
took them away.

Turn that light off. We're taping.

No, you're not taping.

We just want to talk
to you for a second.

I said turn
that light off!

Who are you? I'm the production manager.

Where are the kids
who found the body?

They were taken
back to our offices.

On whose authority?

The executive producers'.

Look, they were
pretty upset.

We all are. Oh, yeah, we could tell.

I'm sorry. I was just trying to be
journalistic.

Look, get on the phone
and tell the producers

we need to talk
to those kids right now.

Sure, sure, but if you
wouldn't mind first

we'd love to be involved
in the investigation.

Maybe shoot some tape?

Hey, kid,
this is not show business.

This is police business. I understand.

Sorry, Lennie, that could
have been your big chance.

I'll wait for the
musical version.

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Kid was from
Upper Darby, PA.

Two years of junior college.

Liked to skateboard
and play bongos in the park.

He'd have been better off
staying in Upper Darby.

Preliminary M.E. report
lists cause of death

as a broken neck,
internal injuries.

What about the tox screen?

Came back clean.

So, probably not
a slip and fall.

What about this TV show
he was on?

Deal with it?

It's been on the air
for three years.

Every season they
go to a new city

they take seven kids,
they put them in a house

they give them
a soft-touch job

they pay all their expenses

and they videotape
them doing everything

except going
to the bathroom.

Oh, why stop there?

Well, other than the kids,
who had access to the building?

Uh, the production company

and anybody they
decide to let in.

Well, that's a fairly broad
cross section.

Well, we got a call in
to those executive producers.

We'll try to narrow it
down a little more

once we talk to the cast members
who found the body.

I want to find out
the last time

that kid was on camera.

Lieutenant, these are
the tapes from that show.

Looks like
you got your chance.

Hey, uh, aren't we
going to be late?

Okay.

Deal with It.

Never seen it;
already hate it.

We obviously feel terrible

about what's happened.

And as the executive producers

we'd certainly like to help
in any way we can.

Like by taking
those kids away?

These kids are
very badly shaken, Detective.

We just thought a little time
away from the cameras

would do them good.

It's quite a thing
to have had happened.

Oh, but I guess,
TV show or not

we're all vulnerable
in this city.

So, you don't think Wes's death

had anything to do
with the TV show?

Anything to do
with the TV show how?

You know,
cast, crew.

You got a lot of people

coming in and out
of this building.

Corey, let me take this one.

We screen applicants
for our cast and crew

like it was security clearance
for a nuclear missile silo.

Well, missile silos

can be pretty close quarters.

Uh, maybe things changed in
the course of living together.

Well, we're on top
of everything that happens

so if a problem was developing,
we'd know about it.

Look, I don't want
to tell you guys your job

but this seems
fairly straightforward to me.

Uh... explain.

Someone was on the roof--

a junkie, a derelict,
what have you.

Wes went up there,
and an altercation occurred.

And why would Wes
go on the roof?

We need to talk
to the cast members.

Can we at least suggest that you
look

to me and my wife
for any preliminary information.

We just did look
to you and your wife

for preliminary information.

Now we need to speak
to the kids.

Now!

Which one of you
found the body?

I saw him out of the window.

It was pretty brutal.

So, you were all here?

I'd just gone out
to get some food.

Wait, there's another
kid on the show, right?

Yeah, Jeremy.

Yeah? Where is he?
He went out.

Did he know
we were coming?

That's sort of Jeremy,
you know?

He likes to defy authority.

Now, what can you
tell us about Wes?

Have you watched the show?

Assume we haven't.

Wes could be difficult.
Difficult how?

Inconsiderate,
like, oblivious

to what anyone else
was going through.

He talked about himself
in the third person.

What does that tell you?

I don't know.

He was a jerk.

Did any one of you
ever have

a physical confrontation
with him?

Guys?

Jeremy might have had
a problem with Wes.

So, uh, where does Jeremy go

when he wants
to "defy authority"?

All right, you guys
want to talk about Wes, huh?

Yeah. We gather he wasn't
particularly popular.

Yeah, yeah, people made
varying degrees

of accommodation
for his behavior.

Well, let's talk
about you specifically.

Specifically?
Ah, I couldn't stand him.

How come?

Well, let's see,
aside from his being vain

shallow, passive-aggressive

he was always bringing
his lowlife skaters friends

into the loft, you know?

They'd eat all our food.
They'd hit on the chicks.

I couldn't stand it.

Well, why didn't you tell
the show's producers?

What do you mean,
like telling the teachers?

Ah, I'm not into that.

I confronted him myself.

Yeah? When?

Let's see, uh, the point
at which I lost it

was when Amber's video camera
disappeared, you know?

She was all, like

"I don't want to jump
to conclusions.

Everyone's always blaming Wes."

You know, but, uh,
I don't stand on ceremony.

I called him out,
and we got into it.

Got into it how?

Whoa, whoa, I didn't hit him
or anything, you know?

I just told him how I felt
and that I was onto him.

And since?

We avoided each other,
you know?

Just out of
curiosity

where were you
last night?

I was at a poetry reading--
Saint Mark's Church.

Hey, it's on tape, fellas.

You can check it out

'cause the show sent
a camera crew.

Yeah. Amber's video camera
ever show up?

Nah, you know,
she was all mad at me

so I just let it drop.

I'm telling you, these skaters
are the ones who took it though.

Mind if I go?

Which one of you is Aaron?

Who wants to know? Police Department,
tough guy.

Come on, step away
from your friend a minute.

We're watching
for police brutality

you put a hand on him.

Oh, you do that, ace.

When's the last time
you went to see Wes?

Wes who died? Yeah. Wes who died.

Man, I don't go around there
with that lame-ass show.

Never.

Right. Never.

A little Abner Louima
action, guys.

I don't think so.

That's a nice camera.

Give me.
Hey!

The girl's daddy
recorded the serial number

of the video camera.

Then he reported it stolen.

Did Wes confront you
about stealing it?

No.

So, you and your
little thieving pals

come around, terrorizing
everybody, huh?

We were there
because Wes invited us.

And what about Monday?

Did you receive an
invitation on Monday?

I should have a lawyer here.

That's no problem, man.

That's right. You get together with your
lawyer

and figure out where you want
to say you were on Monday.

Then when we catch you lying

you're going to be
that much closer

to going to prison
for the rest of your life.

I had nothing to do
with this.

That's cool, bro.

You just better hope that
a jury agrees with you.

Well, look, man,
I wasn't at the loft on Monday.

Where were you?

Tompkins Square.

Doing what?

Doing what, Aaron?
Selling pot, man.

How much did you make?

About $300.

Where's the money?

Spent about $80.

Lennie.

We got an admission
that he took the video camera

but we also have
a couple of witnesses

that put him in the park
at the time of the murder.

If we can believe
what he's telling us

Wes helped him
steal the camera.

Did anyone in the house
know that?

Nobody said so.
They covering?

Well, according
to these producers

none of these kids
had a propensity for violence.

The things they
complain about

are more or less
the little things

that bother roommates.

These are what they call
"one-on-ones."

The kids speak
directly to the camera.

WOMAN
How do you feel

about him saying you have no talent as a
musician?

He said that?

He said it stemmed
from a lack of racial identity--

that you were ashamed
of having

a white mother...

that that's what prevented you

from getting in touch
with your talent.

He dissed my mother?

Now, where the hell
does he get off doing that?!

Next...

He said he slept with me?

He said your ambition
was to be

the girl all the boys
in the audience wanted.

And the most surefire way
to accomplish that

was to get something going
with him.

That son of a bitch!

And...

He read my e-mail?

He not only read it, he was posting
it

on the web,
and your picture.

Where?

Pornographic
chat rooms.

I'll kill him!

Now, that doesn't sound
like little things to me.

The last time we spoke

you gave us
the impression

that everybody more
or less got along.

Everyone more or less does.

And that's not what it sounded like in
those one-on-ones.

Well, everyone gets along perfectly... you
have a flat line.

And if, by chance, they
do happen to get along

you turn them
against each other?

Uh, I'd prefer to call
it stirring the pot.

We take whatever conflicts
are already under the surface

and tweak them,
that's all.

Well, do you think this
stirring the pot led

to one of them
going off the roof?

Absolutely not.

Well, we're going to need
to hear that from them.

You already talked to them.

That was when we thought
everybody was being

straight with us.
No, you know what?

I'm done giving you guys
free reign to talk to my kids.

I'm going to be like
a mother tiger with her cubs.

Does that mean you're going
to actively interfere

with the investigation,
instead of just misleading us?

No, it means the kids are
under strict instructions

not to talk unless there's

an attorney present.

Oh, and don't
try and scare me

with what's going to happen
if I don't cooperate.

I've been in network
television for 18 years.

I don't scare.

Kids are all
lawyering up.

The producers aren't talking.
Who do we go to next?

How about the grunts
who actually do the work?

Don't you think
there's a chance

the mother tiger's
already talked to them?

Hey, at the bottom
of the food chain

chances are, she's
never talked to them.

Producers know you're talking to me?

Why, you have to clear
everything with them?

I do if I want to keep working.

Nobody knows we're
talking to you, man.

Look, there's
a kid dead.

All we're asking
is that you tell us

anything about the cast
that might help us.

I'm just a driver.

Hey, I hear that drivers
know everything.

I know where they
get picked up.

I know where they
get dropped off.

They give you
a schedule?

Once a week.

Anyone asks, you
didn't get it from me.

Oh, hey, a stiff wind must have
blown it out the window.

Thanks.

Well, after looking
at all the tapes

we know everyone had
something against Wes.

Well, we may know something more than
that.

One of the drivers was a
little bit more forthcoming

than the Kaufmans.

He gave us a
shooting schedule.

There's a
camera operator

a sound man, a director

and a production assistant
present at those tapings.

And they have three
different crews

so they can either alternate
or they can have the cast

at three different
locations simultaneously.

Well, how does
that help us?

Well, one of the
camera operators

that was working
the night of the homicide?

He hasn't been back
to work since.

Yeah, maybe he caught
a cold up on that roof.

Well, let's see
how he's feeling now.

Gavin isn't here. When will he be back?

Couple weeks,
I'm not sure.

What, he just picked up
and left?

He didn't "pick up
and leave."

He's in Montreal,
working for the show.

Montreal? Why?

They always send the cast
on some kind of trip

and Gavin's there
scouting locations.

Don't they have
somebody to do that?

Gavin's their
best cameraman.

It makes perfect sense
they'd send him.

Oh, perfect sense, the
day after a homicide?

What are you thinking?

He had something to do

with that kid's death?

Either that
or he knows something.

You're wrong.

Gavin's been with the show
since the beginning.

It's a little appreciation
for the work he's done.

What you need to do is get on the phone
and get your boyfriend here.

If you don't, we're going to have to
contact

the Canadian authorities
and have him arrested.

This is so unfair.

They're always looking for
interesting places to shoot

interesting things
for the cast to do.

They sent me up there
to set it up.

How long are you going
to stick with that story, Gavin?

'Cause I'm just trying
to plan my day here, you know?

I don't appreciate
your sarcasm, Detective.

We don't appreciate
your client not telling us

what happened
on that roof.

I don't know
what happened.

Only, it seems
like you do know.

Look, you're either
the bad guy here

or you're
a material witness

obstructing a murder
investigation.

How do you figure that?

Your client ran away

from the scene
of a homicide.

Didn't even bother
to call 911.

Which makes him guilty
of absolutely nothing.

The law neither obligates him
to report a crime he's witnessed

nor to stick around to wait for
the police to show up if he had.

Whatever happened to being
a Good Samaritan?

Victim of an overly litigious
society, I'm afraid.

Yeah, well, we've got another
victim--

a 20-year-old with a broken neck
who could have used a hand.

Gavin, you don't tell us
what happened on that roof

I promise you--
lawyer or no lawyer--

I will make
your situation

very difficult. LAWYER: Is that a threat?

Mm-hmm. Oh, just consider it the, uh,
rantings

of an overly litigious
detective.

We may not be able

to charge your
client, counselor

but now that he's here,
you and I both know

the DA is going to be able
to get a material witness order.

Oh, they hold you in jail for that.

What does he mean,
a "material witness order?"

If the DA believes
you possess

material information
about a crime

he can ask the judge
to detain you

in order to compel
your testimony.

I thought you said that I
didn't have to report anything.

You didn't.
Now they know about you.

Sort of changes
things a little.

Law's a funny thing, huh, Gavin?

Look...

what happened is this.

I was up on the roof.

And then the two of them came up

and started
going at it.

The two of who?

Wesley Tatum and Paul Wyler.

Paul confronted Wes.

Confronted how?

They were arguing.

And then Wes slapped Paul.

And things just got
out of hand from there.

And next thing I know,
Wes is going over the side.

And you were doing what while all this was
going on?

I'm shooting tape.

You got this on film?

No, I don't.

Well, who does?

I gave it to post.

The post-production.

The cameraman turned the tape in

to post-production
that same night.

Post-production? It's, like, the editors.

Well, how did he wind up
in Montreal?

Hmm, the producers said
that he needed a break.

I bet they did. Carmichael's faxing over

a warrant for the tape.

Oh, I'm not waiting
for a warrant.

We have an eyewitness.

You go pick up the kid.

Take Reina with you,
and when the warrant

gets here, go
get the tape.

What, all by myself?

I'm not supposed
to be talking with you guys.

All right, let's dispense
with the preliminaries.

I got a search
warrant here.

If you don't cooperate, I'm going to be
forced to place you under arrest.

You're going to place
me under arrest.

I make $7.30 an hour.

I log videotapes
for the editors.

The producers don't even
call me by my right name.

And you're going to
place me under arrest?

Justin, right?
Right, Justin.

All right, take it
easy, Justin.

All I want you to do is
tell me whether or not

you logged in a tape
the night of February 21.

February 21...?

Right.

Gavin delivered a tape...

from the handheld camera.

I logged it in.

Terrific. Now I'd like you
to get it for me.

Yeah, well, the Kaufmans said

not to talk to you
without a lawyer present.

Yeah, well, Paul Wyler's
the one we're looking for.

If he wants to have a lawyer present, it's
his right.

We don't know
where Paul is.

That goes for the rest of you?

Come on, guys. There
was a fight on the roof.

We don't know if Paul
pushed Wes by accident

or if it was self-defense.

But there's a whole bunch of
ways that Paul can beat this.

You're not helping
him or yourselves

by not telling us
where he is.

I know where he is.

Amber!

It's enough.

The whole thing is enough.

I have a phone number
where I can reach him.

There's no chance
the tape's just lost?

There's no chance
the tape's just lost?

Oh, I had the guy y turn
the place upside-down.

That tape's not lost.
It's missing.

Somebody took it.

Yeah, my money's
on Fred and Ethel.

Amber.

Stay where you are.

Get out of the car, Paul.

Put your hands on top
of the cab.

How could you
do this to me?

I was trying
to help you.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, you're doing
a great job so far.

This was an accident.

Then why didn't your client
come forward right away?

We have a cameraman
who'll say your client

pushed Wesley Tatum
off that roof.

That is a total misconstruing
of what happened.

Easy to say with
a videotape missing.

I've never seen any videotape,
and I resent the implication.

So you have no idea
how it came to be missing?

None.

But that doesn't change the fact
that it's missing.

Meaning what?
Meaning without it

you have a substantially
weakened case.

Even without the videotape,
we have an eyewitness.

With a camera
in front of his face

paying attention to 100
different things at once.

Who viewed the murder
through a lens.

You keep mentioning lenses,
I'll keep asking for the tape.

You don't think
I can punch holes in that

you are very much mistaken.

She's right.

If the jury hears
there's a tape of the crime

and we can't produce it...

They'll wonder why.
I wonder why.

You know, it
wouldn't be pretty

if that tape
showed up

in the middle
of the trial.

Get an Order to Show Cause.

Start with the producers.

As my responding papers indicate,
Your Honor

neither myself,
nor my clients

are in possession
of this videotape.

Your Honor, the people
have provided the court

with an affidavit
from the editor of the show

indicating there was
a videotape made

that it was logged in,
and that the only people

who had the authority
to remove that tape

were the executive producers.

How about it, Mr. Behrens?

Did your clients
remove the tape?

Unfortunately, Your Honor

any response
to the court's inquiry

would constitute a breach

of the attorney-client
privilege.

Only if his answer's yes.

Judge, assuming arguendo,
that my clients

in fact, came to my office
with this videotape

professional ethics would have precluded
me from turning it over.

To do so might have
incriminated them.

What did you do with it?

Hypothetically?

Hypothetically, this
is a homicide, Mr. Behrens.

Hypothetically,
somebody took that tape

and whoever it was
better tell me

what happened to it
or where it is.

Otherwise, hypothetically,
somebody's going to jail.

Judge, are you
ordering me

to disclose the location
of this tape?

Now you've got it, counselor.

Well, in that case,
at this time

I would like to direct
the court's attention

to in rem filing, New York
State Supreme Court

index #75936.

What's the relevance of that?

Well, the videotape's

in the basement
of this courthouse.

I'd like to know on what basis

a potentially crucial piece
of evidence was concealed.

Nothing was concealed.

I was merely safeguarding

the confidentiality
of privileged communication

by filing the videotape
as an exhibit to an application

seeking direction from the court
as to how not to engage

in an obstruction
of justice.

Once again, in English,
Mr. Behrens.

Your Honor--

suppose your client
comes into your office

drops a gun on your desk

and tells you he used it
to kill his wife.

Now, the disciplinary rules
governing attorneys

would forbid me from turning
that gun over to the police

because to do so would
incriminate my client.

At the same time...

I can't keep that gun
in my office.

So you filed the tape
with the civil court?

Yes.

That's still concealment
of material evidence.

And we still
don't know

who it was who turned over
the tape to Mr. Behrens.

Judge, again, as I said before

I'm not at liberty to reveal
that, nor will I.

Careful. Mr. Behrens.

I don't like being told
what counsel will and won't do.

I apologize, Your Honor.

Trouble is, Judge,
I'm not really sure

whose interests
Mr. Behrens represents here.

Which is a clever
way for Mr. McCoy

to access privileged information through a
back door

he wouldn't otherwise be entitled to
through the front.

Relax, Mr. Behrens.

I'm not going to make you
kiss and tell.

However, I see no problem
with the people now being able

to view
the videotape.

Judge, since my client
is the defendant in this case

I'd like the opportunity

to prepare a motion
to suppress.

On what grounds?

Obviously it was someone from the show who
removed the tape

which means there's no violation of the
Fourth Amendment.

I agree. There's been no search
or seizure by the police.

In any event, you'd have
no standing to contest it

even if there were.

Let's see what
we're talking about here.

Judge, I object to the court
viewing the tape

before I've been given
an opportunity to do so.

Objection noted, counselor,
and overruled.

Now, if there are
no other lawyers

who have
something to say

the court wants to see the tape.

Look, I just want to know

was it you that
let Amber's cat out?

What's it to you?
Was it you?

What are you, Amber's
big, strong protector now?

I want you out
of the house.

Oh, really? Why?

So you can tell her
how brave you are?

Maybe you'll get lucky.

Shut your mouth.

Hey, look, if you want
to get in Amber's pants

you got to do more
than just talk.

Get off me, man.

That the best you got?

I'm not going to mess
with you, all right?

Let's see.

Was it me who
let Amber's cat out?

Yeah, I think it was.

Mr. McCoy--

I think we're ready
to talk about a plea.

I'm not sure
there's anything left

to talk about,
Ms. Aaronson.

Trust me. There is.

Dying declaration?

Apparently the fall
didn't kill him.

At least, not before
Paul Wyler spoke to him.

What did he say?

Wyler will testify that
before he died, Wesley Tatum

told him he'd been sent up
on that roof to pick a fight.

It was staged?

Only no one

told Paul Wyler about it.

More dramatic
if he didn't know.

Then who did know?

Well, apparently they
were smart enough

not to put it in
a production note.

Production note?

It's how the producers know

what's going to happen
from episode to episode.

They take each kid

talk to them once a week

find out what their plans
are outside the loft

and then that helps
them to decide

which ones they're going to
follow with a camera crew.

And the night of the fight?

Um... they taped Jeremy
at a poetry reading.

No mention of the roof.

So how'd this cameraman
know to be there?

Everyone in the crew's listed
in their production reports--

time in and time out.

8:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m.,
4:00 to 12:00, 12:00 to 8:00.

That's eight-hour shifts.

Everything after that
time and a half?

Yeah, this cameraman on the roof
worked 15 hours.

I went up there because

I thought I might
grab something.

Footage of an argument
on a rooftop

night sky, building lit up
in the background.

So no one told you to
go up there beforehand?

Gavin's got pretty good
instincts for where to be.

No one has to.

We're asking if anyone did this time.

Look, man, all I do
is run a camera.

You put in for seven
hours of overtime

in a company where no one
ever puts in for any.

You're going to tell me that wasn't by
prearrangement?

You can't prearrange
what happened.

Are you really prepared to
deal with the consequences

when we find out
you're lying?

I can't stand this.

Clair, I got to work.

No, not like this.

The producers knew that

something was going
to happen between them.

They sent Gavin
to get it on tape, okay?

Done.

I don't know.

Why don't we just
trim the headshot

and go directly
to the kitchen?

We're still going
to be long 40 seconds.

That's a wrap.

How did you get in here?

With this.

You're both under arrest
for the murder of Wesley Tatum.

You can't arrest us.

We have a show to finish.

Consider yourself canceled.

We got your message,
Mr. Kaufman

but you're both
represented by counsel.

If you have something
to say to us

You need to go
through Mr. Behrens.

Behrens? His only interest
is the network.

He doesn't care
what happens to us.

He came down
to see us

to make sure we
didn't talk to anyone.

We fired his ass.

What was Behrens

afraid you'd say?

First off, I want to be clear.

We never set our people
against each other.

We watched those tapes.

That's exactly what you did.

Never like that.

We knew our kids,
Ms. Carmichael.

Wes and Paul were both volatile.

It wasn't a situation
we'd have allowed to happen.

We're not responsible

for sending those kids
up to that roof.

Who was?

You have to
understand.

This was our
first hit show.

After almost 20 years

you pitch
and you pitch

and then you go in,
and some kid

with gelled hair says

"Sorry. We're going
in a different direction."

But not this time.

This time they said, "Yes."

Who?

Byron Stark.

He's the network vice president

in charge
of Current Programming.

The kid with the hair gel.

Hmm.

According to the Kaufmans,
Stark didn't trust them

to get a real
fight going.

So he stepped in
and started it himself?

Have you arranged
to have him come in?

I don't want
to do that.

Well, he's a network
vice president, Jack.

Don't you think
we should give him

the opportunity
to surrender?

From the portrait
the Kaufmans paint

I doubt very seriously
that this man even believes

he can be asked
to surrender.

I don't want to give him the chance to
destroy evidence

when he discovers
he's mistaken.

Pick him up.

Byron Stark.

Yeah.

I told him to wait outside.

New York City
Police Department, Mr. Stark.

We need you
to take a ride with us.

That's funny.
Beg your pardon?

That's good.
That's a great bit.

Who sent you over here?

Is this Brillstein
put you up to this?

This ain't a joke, sir.

We need you
to come with us.

Maybe we should
come back later.

Stay where you are.

You guys are
both terrific.

You should leave
your head shots and resumes

with my assistant outside.

Cuff him.

Are you kidding me?

No, we're placing you under
arrest.

All right, now
I'm getting mad.

Call Brillstein.

Tell him this went
way beyond funny.

And then stay by the phone,
so when these idiots drop me off

you can have a car
sent to pick me up.

Where are you taking him?

You can't be serious

about charging
a network vice president.

Do we look
as if we aren't serious?

Don't you people
understand entertainment?

Wes was play-acting.

You forgot to tell
that to Paul Wyler.

It's a reality show.
Understand?

If Wyler had been told
that it was fake

his reactions
wouldn't have been real.

So you pit one kid
against another

in order to get
better TV ratings

and to hell with
their well-being.

These kids want
to be on the show.

They beg to be on it.

And millions
of Americans watch.

How badly could I
be treating them?

Let me give you
a quick sketch

of what a manslaughter case
might look like, Mr. Stark.

Someone incites someone else

over whom they have
authority or influence

to commit
an act of violence.

They arrange for
the violence to occur.

It does in fact occur,
and leads to someone's death.

I didn't intend any harm.

Your actual intent
is irrelevant.

So suddenly a television show
is responsible

when some kid goes nuts.

Not a television
show, Mr. Stark.

You.

Who's after ratings now, McCoy?

What was your relationship with
Wesley Tatum?

Wes would go out of his way
to provoke people

as a way of getting attention.

Did one such provocation occur

sometime before the night
of February 21st?

Yes, sir.

Would you tell the court
what that was.

Amber, one of the girls
in the loft

had a cat
she was very attached to.

Uh, the cat
disappeared.

Amber told me that Wes left her
with the impression

that he deliberately
let the cat outside.

Did you say something to him?

I told him I wanted
to talk to him.

What was his response?

He suggested
that we go up on the roof.

And what happened when
you got to the roof?

He admitted about the cat.

He taunted me,
and then he slapped me.

And what did you do?

I lost it.

I mean,
he said something

about Amber,
and I just snapped.

We started fighting.

Then, uh... then somehow I...

I wound up
pushing him over the side.

Would you tell the court
what you did following that.

When I got to him

he was lying there,
his eyes looking right up at me.

Um, I could see he wanted
to tell me something

so I leaned down, and...

Objection.

Dying declaration, Your Honor.

Which must be made by a person
contemplating their own death.

There's no evidence
Mr. Tatum believed

he was dying at the time
he made the statement.

He'd just been pushed
off a rooftop, Mr. Behrens.

I think that qualifies.

Your objection's
overruled.

What, if anything

did Wesley Tatum say to you?

He, uh... He just looked at me.

Uh, it was, uh...

It was hard for him

to speak.

Uh...

He said,
"What'd you do that for, man?

Didn't you talk to him?"

And I-I just
looked at him.

Uh, then he said...

"It was an act."

Did you ask him what
he meant by that?

Yeah.

What did he say?

Nothing.

He died.

I have no further questions.

Did you ever meet
Mr. Stark before?

Once, at one of those
network press things

kicking off the new season

and I think he was
at my casting session.

But did you know him
to be involved

in the day-to-day production
of the show?

No.

He ever give you
any directions

as to how
to behave?

No.

Did he tell you to go up
on the roof with Wes?

No.

Did he tell you to physically assault
Wesley Tatum?

No.

No further questions.

What was the role of the defendant

in the production
of Deal with It?

He championed the show
when we first got going.

When the show took off,
he thought of it as his.

How frequently did he talk to you
about it?

Every day.

Did he ever talk
to people on the show

other than yourself?

All the time.

He talked to directors,
talked to cast members.

He'd show up when we
were taping the one-on-ones.

How about casting?

Was he part
of that process?

Byron had
the final word.

The final word.

Then there was disagreement?

I didn't want Paul Wyler
or Wes Tatum.

Why not?

Wes just wasn't
a team player.

A conflict is one thing.

Perpetual obnoxiousness--

that's an entirely
different matter.

And Paul Wyler?

He had a very questionable
psychological profile.

Corey and I just didn't think
Paul could handle the stress.

But the defendant
thought he could.

Oh, Byron Stark thought
that would make good television

especially if Paul
couldn't handle it.

Objection.

Sustained. Jury will disregard.

Did the defendant ever conduct

an off-camera interview
with any member of the cast?

On one occasion with Wes Tatum.

Were you present
at that time?

Yes.

Would you tell the
court what you heard

the defendant
say to Mr. Tatum.

He told him the show needed
fireworks going into sweeps.

He told Wes
he was our go-to guy.

That was the expression he used

and he wanted Wes to get
something going physically

with one
of the cast members.

Did he specify
with whom?

He went through a list
of possible altercations.

Was Paul Wyler among them?

That was Byron's first choice.

Nothing further.

What else was on the list

of possible altercations?

Walking in on Amber

while she
was getting dressed

and refusing to leave.

Hiding Rocky's insulin.

Telling Jeremy he questioned

the historical accuracy
of the Holocaust.

Did he do any of these things?

No.

Are you aware of Byron Stark
telling Paul Wyler

to push Mr. Tatum
off a roof?

No.

Are you aware of Byron Stark

telling Paul Wyler
anything at all?

No, I'm not.

No further questions.

I've worked in network
television since I was 22.

It's a very competitive business

and I want to win
as much as anyone.

Would I have someone
physically hurt

or placed in real jeopardy?

Not for anything.

You did have
a conversation

with a Wesley Tatum,
did you not?

Yes, I did.

What'd you say to him?

I wanted to know
how he felt

about being the "bad boy"
of the household.

How did he feel?

I think Wes had a sense of humor about it.

He knew that as much
as it was a reality-based show

it was
reality-manipulated

to make for good storytelling.

Did you suggest to Wesley Tatum

that instigate a fight
with Paul Wyler?

No, I did not.

Did you suggest

to Wesley Tatum
that a fight

take place
on the roof?

No.

Well, what did you
suggest to Mr. Tatum?

That, provided he
was comfortable with it

the petty squabbles

the interpersonal conflicts--

who ate all the cookies
and didn't say anything?--

could make for good television.

Did you have
any indication

that this suggestion
would lead to physical violence

and ultimately
to Mr. Tatum's death?

None whatsoever.

Nothing further.

No indication your suggestion
could lead to violence?

That's right.

Had you read
the psychological profiles

of either one of these kids?

No, I did not.

But the executive
producers objected

to this suggestion,
did they not?

Melanie and Corey wanted
to proceed more cautiously

but in the end
they were on board

with my decision.

So it was your decision?

Yes.

What are sweeps, Mr. Stark?

November, February and May--

that's when ad rates are set
based on ratings.

What affect does this
have on programming?

You try to put your
best foot forward--

event programming, special
episodes of current series.

You try to schedule the most
promotable shows you can.

It's not just me.
That's everybody.

When did your
conversation

with Wesley Tatum take place?

I'm really not sure.

Ask that the day planner
for Byron Stark

be introduced into evidence
as People's Exhibit 19.

So ordered.

Reading from the day planner.

"Meeting with Wesley Tatum,"
December 17th.

Okay.

December is
when you plan

for February sweeps,
is it not?

I suppose so.

And was the altercation

between Paul Wyler
and Wesley Tatum

part of that plan?

Absolutely not.

Ask that this memorandum
be introduced into evidence

as People's Exhibit 20.

So ordered.

This memorandum says

that it was issued

by your office,
does it not, Mr. Stark?

Yes.

Read us the title.

"Sweeps Dreams."

Read us

the entire title.

"Sweeps Dreams-- Cleaning
the Competition's Clock."

Under Proposed Programming
for "Sweeps Dreams"

what's listed
for the show Deal with It?

"Wes takes on the world."

It does not say, however

Wes has a fight
on a rooftop.

It doesn't say Wes dies.

But he did die,
didn't he, Mr. Stark?

Objection.

Withdrawn.

Nothing further.

I don't think
that's what we're talking about.

I do understand
what you're saying.

Yes.

Yes. Thank you.

Fifth call from Hollywood.

Everybody's very concerned
about the First Amendment.

More like their fall season.

Is it possible
Stark was just talking?

He knew that talking
to Wesley Tatum

there was a better than 50/50
chance he'd be taken seriously.

I'm just not sure a jury
is going to send

this clean-cut
young executive to prison

on the basis of something
he might have said casually.

Well, do they ever do that?

Do what?

Well, say things casually.

Whether it's missing children
or triumph over illness

or 20-year-olds hanging out
at coffeehouses

it just seems
they adhere to trends

in a pretty calculated manner.

Melanie Kaufman testified

there was a list
of possible altercations.

He had research done.

What is a media consultant

Mr. Cardorette?

I run focus groups,
interpret data

and advise networks
on programming.

Did you ever have occasion
to advise the defendant?

Yes.

Would you tell the court
what it was

you advised him to do?

I said his demographics were
skewing too far over to females

13 to 25.

I said the network
needed to address

an erosion among males
the same age group

and also to broaden
their reach

by not conceding the
26-to-49-year-olds.

How, if at all

did that apply to show
Deal with It?

Well, the show had...

and has an enormous untapped
potential in my opinion.

Since they change casts
and venues

every three months,
I provided input

on how they could help themselves by who
they cast

and where they shoot--

also in the kind of events

our focus group told us
an audience wanted to see.

And what kinds
of events were they?

The data showed that
the target audience

for this show wants conflict--

someone to root for,
someone to root against

and an escalating conflict
between them.

And did you convey these results

to Mr. Stark?

Yes, I did.

I have no further questions.

Is Deal with It the only show
of the defendants'

on which you do research?

No. I do research
on all his shows.

And, uh, have you advised him

that conflict needed
to be heightened on other shows?

Objection. Irrelevant. Goes directly to
the

prosecution's theory
of causality, Your Honor.

I'll allow it.

Mr. Cardorette?

It's quite common
for a focus group to come back

with a stated preference
for heightened conflict.

Did you advise

Mr. Stark of that
on other shows?

Yes.

To the best of your knowledge, was anybody
ever

killed or injured
as a result?

To the best
of my knowledge, no.

Nothing further.

Redirect, Your Honor.

Proceed.

Mr. Cardorette...

did the defendant
ever ask you to conduct

specific research
as to any members

of the cast of Deal with It?

Yes.

What did that entail?

Well, I was given a list
of varying preferences.

Uh, for example--
Least Objectionable Character.

Character Most Desirable
to Go Away with for the Weekend.

Things of that nature.

What about "The Character
the Death of Whom

Would Be Most Cause
for Celebration?"

Yes.

Was that the exact name
of the category given to you

by the defendant?

Yes, but I don't...

I don't think it was intended
to be taken

literally; It's simply
dramatic license.

Dramatic license.

Tell us, Mr. Cardorette,
who was it on the show

the audience wanted
to see dead?

Wesley Tatum.

Hands down.

Nothing further.

What are you looking for, McCoy?

Man Two.

How much time?

Two to six.

I've never gotten so much as a speeding
ticket.

He's the vice president
of a network.

Who set in motion

events that led
to someone's death.

Shouldn't make me responsible.

Which is a position

you're certainly free
to go to the jury with.

They'll decide
whether or not

you're responsible.

I'm not sure that being

a network vice president
is going to help you there.

Take the offer, Byron.

Was it me who let
Amber's cat out?

Yeah, I think it was.

Yeah?

Pretty horrifying.

And the news organizations can't
wait to get

their hands on it.

I already have their subpoena.

You think
they'll air it?

It's "reality television."

Truth is when Stark
gets out of prison

they'll probably make him
a network president.

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