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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,750 --> 00:00:02,919 In the criminal justice system 2 00:00:02,961 --> 00:00:04,045 the people are represented 3 00:00:04,087 --> 00:00:07,048 by two separate yet equally important groups: 4 00:00:07,090 --> 00:00:08,925 the police, who investigate crime 5 00:00:08,967 --> 00:00:11,761 and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. 6 00:00:11,803 --> 00:00:13,304 These are their stories. 7 00:00:13,346 --> 00:00:16,599 I'm looking at numbers, Lieutenant Van Buren. 8 00:00:16,641 --> 00:00:18,435 Grand theft auto down 14%. 9 00:00:18,476 --> 00:00:19,644 Burglaries down 11%. 10 00:00:19,686 --> 00:00:23,106 You shut down a number of quality-of-life conditions 11 00:00:23,148 --> 00:00:24,441 in your precinct. 12 00:00:24,482 --> 00:00:26,026 That's some excellent work. 13 00:00:26,067 --> 00:00:27,027 Thank you. 14 00:00:27,068 --> 00:00:29,738 Then I look at your clearance rate for homicides 15 00:00:29,779 --> 00:00:31,906 and a whole different picture emerges. 16 00:00:31,948 --> 00:00:33,992 22% percent below the borough average. 17 00:00:34,034 --> 00:00:36,619 Van Buren: Well, we've had some tough ones 18 00:00:36,661 --> 00:00:38,246 the last couple of months. 19 00:00:38,288 --> 00:00:39,581 Come on, Lieutenant. 20 00:00:39,622 --> 00:00:40,749 Talk to your Chief. 21 00:00:40,790 --> 00:00:42,500 What's the problem here? 22 00:00:42,542 --> 00:00:44,252 There's no problem, Chief. 23 00:00:44,294 --> 00:00:46,087 We just have to try harder. 24 00:00:46,129 --> 00:00:48,089 Unfortunately, that's not an adequate response. 25 00:00:48,131 --> 00:00:49,674 Well, I don't know what other response 26 00:00:49,716 --> 00:00:50,550 to give you, sir. 27 00:00:50,592 --> 00:00:52,719 Something along the lines of a guarantee 28 00:00:52,761 --> 00:00:54,262 is what we're looking for. 29 00:00:54,304 --> 00:00:56,973 If it means culling the cold case files 30 00:00:57,015 --> 00:01:01,269 you get that clearance rate up, or we'll make a guarantee: 31 00:01:01,311 --> 00:01:04,105 we'll guarantee you lose your command. 32 00:01:04,147 --> 00:01:05,982 We can always find a place to transfer you 33 00:01:06,024 --> 00:01:07,317 where the pressure wouldn't be as great. 34 00:01:07,359 --> 00:01:08,610 Get the picture? 35 00:01:08,652 --> 00:01:10,320 Yes, Chief. 36 00:01:10,362 --> 00:01:12,697 Here's one from 1992. 37 00:01:12,739 --> 00:01:14,699 Suspect dropped dead from a heart attack 38 00:01:14,741 --> 00:01:18,119 and the family of the victim moved back to Kurdistan. 39 00:01:18,161 --> 00:01:19,788 Why don't you put in for travel vouchers? 40 00:01:19,829 --> 00:01:21,623 See if they'll let us clear that one. 41 00:01:21,665 --> 00:01:22,791 This one's from '88. 42 00:01:22,832 --> 00:01:24,668 Homeless male Caucasian beaten to death 43 00:01:24,709 --> 00:01:27,128 in a steam tunnel underneath Grand Central. 44 00:01:27,170 --> 00:01:29,839 We ought to be able to home in on that perp, no problem. 45 00:01:29,881 --> 00:01:30,840 Yeah. 46 00:01:30,882 --> 00:01:32,634 Well, here's one from '81 47 00:01:32,676 --> 00:01:35,011 that Tommy Brannigan worked. 48 00:01:35,053 --> 00:01:36,179 Hmm... your old boss. 49 00:01:36,221 --> 00:01:36,930 Yeah. 50 00:01:36,971 --> 00:01:39,516 Marybeth Mosley was 16 years old. 51 00:01:39,557 --> 00:01:43,103 Beaten to death with a ratchet on West 92nd Street. 52 00:01:43,144 --> 00:01:45,271 Only suspect was a plumber 53 00:01:45,313 --> 00:01:46,690 whose wife provided alibi. 54 00:01:46,731 --> 00:01:49,025 Maybe 19 years later, she changes her story? 55 00:01:49,067 --> 00:01:51,194 Hey, why don't you call your pal at The Daily News? 56 00:01:51,236 --> 00:01:53,655 They run a story about how the case is still unsolved. 57 00:01:53,697 --> 00:01:55,240 Maybe somebody pops out of the woodwork. 58 00:01:55,281 --> 00:01:56,533 Brannigan still with us? 59 00:01:56,574 --> 00:01:57,742 Yeah. He's retired. 60 00:01:57,784 --> 00:01:59,035 He lives out on the Island. 61 00:01:59,077 --> 00:02:00,370 Want to take a ride? 62 00:02:50,628 --> 00:02:52,130 The Mosley case, huh? 63 00:02:52,172 --> 00:02:54,924 You guys must really be looking for something to do. 64 00:02:54,966 --> 00:02:57,135 Our boss needs to get her clearance rate up. 65 00:02:57,177 --> 00:02:59,137 So you go to a 20-year-old case? 66 00:02:59,179 --> 00:03:00,805 We were hoping the guy you liked 67 00:03:00,847 --> 00:03:02,140 might have a weak alibi. 68 00:03:02,182 --> 00:03:03,433 This would be the plumber? 69 00:03:03,475 --> 00:03:04,476 Uh-huh. Fred Jenks. 70 00:03:04,517 --> 00:03:05,935 The wife swore she was with him? 71 00:03:05,977 --> 00:03:07,979 Yeah. He was working on the house. 72 00:03:08,021 --> 00:03:09,105 Had a record. 73 00:03:09,147 --> 00:03:10,940 We sweated him as much as we could 74 00:03:10,982 --> 00:03:12,108 but we didn't get anywhere. 75 00:03:12,150 --> 00:03:14,319 Tommy, is there anything you can think of 76 00:03:14,361 --> 00:03:15,653 that might help us out? 77 00:03:15,695 --> 00:03:17,489 If the wife's looking to give him up 78 00:03:17,530 --> 00:03:19,115 that's one thing. 79 00:03:19,157 --> 00:03:23,036 If she's not... I don't know what to tell you. 80 00:03:25,121 --> 00:03:26,122 Mosley, Marybeth. 81 00:03:26,164 --> 00:03:27,832 Initial here. 82 00:03:27,874 --> 00:03:29,584 Any loss or damage to the property 83 00:03:29,626 --> 00:03:32,170 is the sole responsibility of the signing officer. 84 00:03:32,212 --> 00:03:33,171 Sign over here. 85 00:03:33,213 --> 00:03:35,090 Where's the deceased's clothing? 86 00:03:35,131 --> 00:03:36,299 What you see is what we got. 87 00:03:36,341 --> 00:03:38,176 What about the murder weapon? 88 00:03:38,218 --> 00:03:40,261 "19-inch drive ratchet." 89 00:03:40,303 --> 00:03:44,099 Maybe the DA held on to it, or the vouchering officer. 90 00:03:44,140 --> 00:03:46,518 Could be it was misplaced in the move 91 00:03:46,559 --> 00:03:48,269 from the old property room. 92 00:03:48,311 --> 00:03:49,604 Well before my time. 93 00:03:49,646 --> 00:03:51,523 What's the sign-out sheet say? 94 00:03:51,564 --> 00:03:53,358 It's not attached. 95 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:54,818 How can that be? 96 00:03:54,859 --> 00:03:57,028 20-year-old case, Detective. 97 00:03:57,070 --> 00:03:58,363 Give me a break. 98 00:03:58,405 --> 00:04:01,032 Originally, they liked the plumber, Jenks. 99 00:04:01,074 --> 00:04:03,660 He had access to the girl, and he had a record. 100 00:04:03,702 --> 00:04:05,203 And an alibi. 101 00:04:05,245 --> 00:04:06,204 Yeah. His wife. 102 00:04:06,246 --> 00:04:07,414 Hmm. 103 00:04:09,249 --> 00:04:11,459 Freddy and I split. 104 00:04:11,501 --> 00:04:13,294 It's three years this past Columbus Day. 105 00:04:13,336 --> 00:04:15,714 You told the detectives investigating your husband 106 00:04:15,755 --> 00:04:18,299 that he was with you the day the Mosley girl got killed? 107 00:04:18,341 --> 00:04:21,219 I got a job by Roosevelt Avenue and Main Street 108 00:04:21,261 --> 00:04:23,179 going out to Bayside. 109 00:04:23,221 --> 00:04:24,222 Who's over there? 110 00:04:24,264 --> 00:04:26,683 Do you remember telling them he was with you? 111 00:04:26,725 --> 00:04:28,560 Yeah. I remember saying he was with me. 112 00:04:28,601 --> 00:04:30,979 We were buying that green velvet recliner 113 00:04:31,021 --> 00:04:32,397 I got in my basement. 114 00:04:32,439 --> 00:04:34,274 Car 2-1-4, are you going to tell me 115 00:04:34,315 --> 00:04:35,942 you're not by Roosevelt Avenue? 116 00:04:35,984 --> 00:04:37,235 Ma'am, can you tell us 117 00:04:37,277 --> 00:04:38,570 where we can find your ex-husband? 118 00:04:38,611 --> 00:04:40,530 He's working in Chelsea. 119 00:04:40,572 --> 00:04:43,491 I shouldn't even be talking to you without my lawyer. 120 00:04:43,533 --> 00:04:45,035 Hey, it's your call. 121 00:04:45,076 --> 00:04:46,411 We can always come back. 122 00:04:46,453 --> 00:04:48,204 Just a couple loose ends. 123 00:04:48,246 --> 00:04:49,039 Oh, loose ends. 124 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,207 You guys never go way, do you? Here. 125 00:04:51,249 --> 00:04:53,126 Look, the theory of the case back then 126 00:04:53,168 --> 00:04:55,295 was that she was killed by somebody who knew her. 127 00:04:55,336 --> 00:04:58,256 Which is why they focused on you and your yellow sheet. 128 00:04:58,298 --> 00:04:59,466 Focused? 129 00:04:59,507 --> 00:05:03,011 Friggin' cops practically rented a space in my keister. 130 00:05:03,053 --> 00:05:04,596 Hey, you were working in the Mosley house 131 00:05:04,637 --> 00:05:06,097 at the time of the murder. 132 00:05:06,181 --> 00:05:08,058 I was working in the Mosley house 133 00:05:08,099 --> 00:05:09,267 on the day of the murder. 134 00:05:09,309 --> 00:05:11,061 At the time of the murder 135 00:05:11,102 --> 00:05:13,438 I was with my wife buying a recliner. 136 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,732 Wives can be pretty loyal, even ex-wives. 137 00:05:15,774 --> 00:05:17,400 You want someone else? 138 00:05:17,442 --> 00:05:20,570 Johnny Estrada helped me move the recliner 139 00:05:20,612 --> 00:05:24,282 because my ex-wife... was too delicate. 140 00:05:24,324 --> 00:05:26,451 Go and ask him. 141 00:05:27,619 --> 00:05:31,289 Since the stroke, some things I know. 142 00:05:31,331 --> 00:05:34,417 My eldest went to Syracuse to college 143 00:05:34,459 --> 00:05:38,296 but I can't remember where he lives now. 144 00:05:38,338 --> 00:05:40,340 Ramon esta in Albany, Juanito. 145 00:05:40,382 --> 00:05:42,384 Oh. Si. Gracias, Soledad. 146 00:05:42,425 --> 00:05:43,635 He knows. 147 00:05:43,677 --> 00:05:45,387 He just can't remember. 148 00:05:45,428 --> 00:05:49,307 Señor Estrada, you told the police that you were 149 00:05:49,349 --> 00:05:51,309 with Mr. Jenks around 7:00 150 00:05:51,351 --> 00:05:53,311 the night the girl was murdered? 151 00:05:53,353 --> 00:05:55,814 Whatever I said, it was the truth. 152 00:05:55,855 --> 00:05:58,108 Well, maybe just to help a friend 153 00:05:58,149 --> 00:06:00,151 you shaved a few minutes, huh? 154 00:06:00,193 --> 00:06:01,194 No, sir. 155 00:06:01,236 --> 00:06:06,324 Fred Jenks is not a murderer, and I am not a liar. 156 00:06:06,366 --> 00:06:10,578 A man does not go out to buy an easy chair 157 00:06:10,620 --> 00:06:14,124 after he's murdered a young girl. 158 00:06:14,165 --> 00:06:16,418 You worked in the Mosley apartment at the same time 159 00:06:16,459 --> 00:06:17,419 as Jenks? 160 00:06:17,460 --> 00:06:18,545 Yes. I was a painter. 161 00:06:18,586 --> 00:06:21,423 I know it was a long time ago, but is there anything 162 00:06:21,464 --> 00:06:23,091 you remember from being in the house 163 00:06:23,133 --> 00:06:24,467 that can help us? 164 00:06:24,509 --> 00:06:28,680 I remember a lot of boys being in there 165 00:06:28,722 --> 00:06:34,060 and the young girl, she was very beautiful. 166 00:06:40,066 --> 00:06:41,776 19 years... 167 00:06:41,818 --> 00:06:45,238 Sometimes I wake up, I think it's all a dream. 168 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:46,364 I know. 169 00:06:46,406 --> 00:06:48,616 I'm sorry we have to bring the whole thing back. 170 00:06:48,658 --> 00:06:49,451 Hmm. 171 00:06:49,492 --> 00:06:53,455 Uh, Marybeth came home from school. 172 00:06:53,496 --> 00:06:56,708 St. Julian's on Columbus Avenue. 173 00:06:56,750 --> 00:06:59,502 She had a riding lesson. 174 00:06:59,544 --> 00:07:01,046 The stables on 97th? 175 00:07:01,087 --> 00:07:02,380 Mm-hmm. 176 00:07:02,422 --> 00:07:04,215 She went up to change. 177 00:07:04,257 --> 00:07:05,175 Oh. 178 00:07:05,216 --> 00:07:10,680 Then she comes down those stairs two at a time... 179 00:07:10,722 --> 00:07:12,015 in her riding clothes. 180 00:07:12,057 --> 00:07:14,309 Always in a rush, that one. 181 00:07:14,350 --> 00:07:17,353 I told her to sit down; I'd make her a sandwich. 182 00:07:17,395 --> 00:07:20,565 She was so skinny. 183 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,486 If I hadn't made her eat that sandwich 184 00:07:24,527 --> 00:07:26,446 maybe... he wouldn't have seen her. 185 00:07:28,239 --> 00:07:29,658 Did your daughter date, ma'am? 186 00:07:29,658 --> 00:07:32,452 Between school, riding, the piano 187 00:07:32,494 --> 00:07:34,746 she didn't really have the time. 188 00:07:34,788 --> 00:07:38,416 Was there anyone who was interested in her? 189 00:07:38,458 --> 00:07:41,461 Quite a few. 190 00:07:46,257 --> 00:07:48,259 Marybeth Mosley... 191 00:07:48,301 --> 00:07:50,261 We called her "M&M": "Melts in your mouth." 192 00:07:50,303 --> 00:07:51,429 Hey, it was the '80s. 193 00:07:51,471 --> 00:07:53,264 "Blame It On The Boogie." 194 00:07:53,306 --> 00:07:54,391 What was your relationship 195 00:07:54,432 --> 00:07:55,517 with Miss Mosley, Counselor? 196 00:07:55,558 --> 00:07:56,267 Strictly platonic. 197 00:07:56,309 --> 00:07:58,269 That was one I didn't get a chance 198 00:07:58,311 --> 00:07:59,270 to put in the trophy case. 199 00:07:59,312 --> 00:08:01,773 Oh, I can see her death still weighs on you. 200 00:08:01,856 --> 00:08:03,733 Am I showing an insufficient amount 201 00:08:03,775 --> 00:08:05,402 of reverence for the dead? 202 00:08:05,443 --> 00:08:06,486 Forgive me. 203 00:08:06,528 --> 00:08:08,738 Anyway, like I say, I just admired her from afar. 204 00:08:08,780 --> 00:08:11,574 Well, can you think of anyone who might have admired her 205 00:08:11,616 --> 00:08:12,659 a little closer up? 206 00:08:12,701 --> 00:08:15,745 The only one I can remember her going out with 207 00:08:15,787 --> 00:08:17,414 is Michael Sarno. 208 00:08:17,455 --> 00:08:18,498 Although I don't think 209 00:08:18,540 --> 00:08:19,749 she gave it up for him, either. 210 00:08:19,791 --> 00:08:21,418 Any relation to the Sarnos? 211 00:08:21,459 --> 00:08:24,254 Yeah. The Ambassador's son, the Senator's nephew. 212 00:08:24,295 --> 00:08:26,756 You're saying that Sarno went out with the Mosley girl? 213 00:08:26,798 --> 00:08:29,259 Yeah, for a while, but from what I remember 214 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:31,469 Sarno was too much of a wild man for her. 215 00:08:31,511 --> 00:08:33,596 Or maybe she was just too much of a good girl for him. 216 00:08:33,638 --> 00:08:36,307 Either way, they were broken up by the time she was killed 217 00:08:36,349 --> 00:08:38,810 because I remember, he didn't come to the funeral. 218 00:08:38,852 --> 00:08:40,311 Now, if you'll excuse me. 219 00:08:40,353 --> 00:08:41,604 I've got a 10:00 in court. 220 00:08:41,646 --> 00:08:43,440 Ooh. This is like looking into a muddy lake 221 00:08:43,481 --> 00:08:44,941 and trying to see the bottom 222 00:08:44,983 --> 00:08:46,943 and I have to say, your friend Brannigan 223 00:08:46,985 --> 00:08:48,486 he wasn't a whole lot of help. 224 00:08:48,528 --> 00:08:49,821 All right. So we'll talk 225 00:08:49,863 --> 00:08:52,282 to some of the other cops who worked the case. 226 00:08:52,323 --> 00:08:53,742 Most of them are retired or dead. 227 00:08:53,783 --> 00:08:56,494 You know, I saw Charlie Curran's name on the file. 228 00:08:56,536 --> 00:08:58,496 I know he's still with us. 229 00:08:58,538 --> 00:09:00,248 I had just gotten bumped up to the squad. 230 00:09:00,290 --> 00:09:01,332 Me and a bunch of other detectives 231 00:09:01,374 --> 00:09:03,626 were assigned to a task force to work the case. 232 00:09:03,668 --> 00:09:05,503 And you liked the plumber, right? 233 00:09:05,545 --> 00:09:06,671 Personally, I had doubts. 234 00:09:06,713 --> 00:09:07,964 I mean, we looked at him. 235 00:09:08,006 --> 00:09:09,174 We had this guy's phones up. 236 00:09:09,215 --> 00:09:12,385 We talked to everybody this guy ever knew-- nothing. 237 00:09:12,427 --> 00:09:15,305 I wanted to concentrate more on some of the college boys 238 00:09:15,346 --> 00:09:16,639 that were hanging around her. 239 00:09:16,681 --> 00:09:19,350 There was this one kid-- Sarno. 240 00:09:19,392 --> 00:09:22,854 Rich kid. Nasty drunk. Tea head. 241 00:09:22,896 --> 00:09:24,314 Thanks. 242 00:09:24,356 --> 00:09:26,649 My call? We would've sweated him good. 243 00:09:26,691 --> 00:09:27,692 Whose call was it? 244 00:09:27,734 --> 00:09:30,695 Tommy Brannigan. 245 00:09:30,737 --> 00:09:32,530 He was the lead detective. 246 00:09:32,572 --> 00:09:33,573 He was Homicide 247 00:09:33,615 --> 00:09:36,868 as opposed to a slob like me from the precinct. 248 00:09:36,910 --> 00:09:39,871 He wasn't keen on going after anyone but Jenks. 249 00:09:39,913 --> 00:09:42,540 I opened my mouth one too many times... 250 00:09:42,582 --> 00:09:44,334 "Back in the bag you go, Charlie." 251 00:09:44,376 --> 00:09:46,378 Brannigan was the one who busted you? 252 00:09:46,419 --> 00:09:47,504 No. 253 00:09:47,545 --> 00:09:48,880 Tommy's good people. 254 00:09:48,922 --> 00:09:51,341 As it turns out, he talked to the Sarno kid. 255 00:09:51,383 --> 00:09:52,550 And? 256 00:09:52,592 --> 00:09:54,511 And I wish I had known that fact. 257 00:09:54,552 --> 00:09:56,638 I went over his head to a captain. 258 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,724 A week later, I'm walking a foot post 259 00:09:59,766 --> 00:10:00,725 in Washington Heights. 260 00:10:00,767 --> 00:10:03,520 Could've got back on the squad if I wanted 261 00:10:03,561 --> 00:10:06,398 but the truth is, I'd rather be in uniform. 262 00:10:06,439 --> 00:10:08,692 Too much politics in being a detective. 263 00:10:08,733 --> 00:10:10,694 I don't know how you guys do it. 264 00:10:10,735 --> 00:10:12,237 Oh, we're different. 265 00:10:12,278 --> 00:10:13,822 We're in it for the money. 266 00:10:13,863 --> 00:10:15,532 Thanks, man. 267 00:10:19,619 --> 00:10:21,830 Tommy, you need anything from town? 268 00:10:21,871 --> 00:10:24,791 Your favorite Sunday, Lennie-- lamb on the spit. 269 00:10:24,833 --> 00:10:26,418 I'll be there, Peg. 270 00:10:26,459 --> 00:10:28,420 Nice to meet you, Ed. 271 00:10:28,503 --> 00:10:31,089 Oh, you're welcome too, of course. 272 00:10:31,131 --> 00:10:33,133 Thank you, Mrs. Brannigan. 273 00:10:36,177 --> 00:10:38,888 Sarno, I think I remember him. 274 00:10:38,930 --> 00:10:40,432 He was a skinny kid. 275 00:10:40,473 --> 00:10:43,268 Your notes on the interview are missing. 276 00:10:43,309 --> 00:10:44,352 That doesn't make sense. 277 00:10:44,394 --> 00:10:47,105 But Charlie Curran said you did talk to him. 278 00:10:47,147 --> 00:10:48,440 Right. 279 00:10:48,481 --> 00:10:49,399 And? 280 00:10:49,441 --> 00:10:50,567 He had an alibi. 281 00:10:50,608 --> 00:10:52,569 So did the plumber. 282 00:10:55,947 --> 00:10:58,575 Kid didn't have a record, which Jenks did. 283 00:10:58,616 --> 00:11:01,286 The kid was away at college, which Jenks wasn't. 284 00:11:01,327 --> 00:11:04,205 The kid had his old man, who was a citizen-- 285 00:11:04,247 --> 00:11:07,375 not to mention an Ambassador-- backing him up. 286 00:11:07,417 --> 00:11:09,586 Who should I have believed? 287 00:11:16,176 --> 00:11:18,428 You understand this was all before my time. 288 00:11:18,470 --> 00:11:20,388 We just need to know if Mr. Sarno 289 00:11:20,430 --> 00:11:22,057 was here on the day in question. 290 00:11:22,098 --> 00:11:23,933 We consider all aspects of our students' records 291 00:11:23,975 --> 00:11:25,143 to be privileged. 292 00:11:25,185 --> 00:11:26,478 We don't 293 00:11:26,519 --> 00:11:28,313 and we can always come back with a subpoena. 294 00:11:28,355 --> 00:11:29,439 But we couldn't guarantee 295 00:11:29,481 --> 00:11:31,941 the press wouldn't get wind of it. 296 00:11:31,983 --> 00:11:34,319 Mr. Sarno was not on campus. 297 00:11:34,361 --> 00:11:36,321 How do you know? 298 00:11:36,363 --> 00:11:39,115 He was suspended on the complaint of a young lady. 299 00:11:39,157 --> 00:11:40,450 A fellow student? 300 00:11:40,492 --> 00:11:41,534 Local girl. 301 00:11:41,576 --> 00:11:43,495 After a full and fair hearing 302 00:11:43,536 --> 00:11:45,497 he returned to the university a year later. 303 00:11:45,538 --> 00:11:47,290 What was he suspended for? 304 00:11:50,627 --> 00:11:54,464 Will this information be treated with discretion? 305 00:11:54,506 --> 00:11:55,590 It was nothing. 306 00:11:55,632 --> 00:11:57,008 I don't want to talk about it. 307 00:11:57,050 --> 00:11:58,093 Nothing? 308 00:11:58,134 --> 00:11:59,469 The scion of the Sarno family 309 00:11:59,511 --> 00:12:01,137 was tossed off campus on your say-so. 310 00:12:01,179 --> 00:12:02,472 What did he do? 311 00:12:02,514 --> 00:12:04,140 Why does it matter? 312 00:12:04,182 --> 00:12:05,642 It was so long ago. 313 00:12:05,683 --> 00:12:07,644 Did I mention we're homicide detectives? 314 00:12:10,397 --> 00:12:11,856 I was seeing Michael. 315 00:12:11,940 --> 00:12:14,526 I met him at the bar where I waitressed. 316 00:12:14,567 --> 00:12:17,362 We both knew it wasn't going anywhere. 317 00:12:17,404 --> 00:12:20,699 I mean, he was a Sarno... and I lived with my mother 318 00:12:20,740 --> 00:12:22,492 in a trailer park. 319 00:12:22,534 --> 00:12:24,202 But it was exciting. 320 00:12:24,244 --> 00:12:25,453 Then why the complaint? 321 00:12:25,495 --> 00:12:28,540 It was after a keg party on campus. 322 00:12:28,581 --> 00:12:32,669 I was supposed to be Michael's "townie" date. 323 00:12:32,711 --> 00:12:35,338 I left him pawing some Chi Delt. 324 00:12:35,380 --> 00:12:38,216 Then all of a sudden, I hear him pull up 325 00:12:38,258 --> 00:12:42,387 in his little red sports car that I loved going for rides in. 326 00:12:42,470 --> 00:12:44,014 He was drunk. 327 00:12:44,055 --> 00:12:46,349 He started putting his hands on me. 328 00:12:46,391 --> 00:12:47,600 What did he do? 329 00:12:47,642 --> 00:12:49,144 He pushed me down. 330 00:12:49,185 --> 00:12:52,147 I hit him, then he hit me, then he raped me. 331 00:12:52,188 --> 00:12:55,108 I reported it to the school administration. 332 00:12:55,150 --> 00:12:57,444 I got a call from Sarno's father. 333 00:12:57,485 --> 00:12:59,696 Why didn't you call the police? 334 00:12:59,738 --> 00:13:01,364 Did Sarno threaten you? 335 00:13:01,406 --> 00:13:04,075 You don't get it. 336 00:13:04,117 --> 00:13:06,369 The Sarnos don't threaten. 337 00:13:06,411 --> 00:13:07,537 They don't have to. 338 00:13:07,579 --> 00:13:09,080 His father wrote a check. 339 00:13:09,122 --> 00:13:10,165 I signed a paper. 340 00:13:10,206 --> 00:13:11,541 A paper saying what? 341 00:13:11,583 --> 00:13:13,918 That I had consensual sex with him. 342 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:15,920 I was working two jobs. 343 00:13:16,004 --> 00:13:18,590 Back then, it seemed like a lot of money. 344 00:13:21,176 --> 00:13:23,178 My client knew Marybeth Mosley 345 00:13:23,219 --> 00:13:25,555 and he liked Marybeth Mosley 346 00:13:25,597 --> 00:13:27,724 but he absolutely did not rape or kill her. 347 00:13:27,766 --> 00:13:29,225 And Stephanie Luchien 348 00:13:29,267 --> 00:13:30,435 at college? 349 00:13:30,477 --> 00:13:31,728 Your client like her, too? 350 00:13:31,770 --> 00:13:32,771 That was consensual. 351 00:13:32,812 --> 00:13:33,730 Michael, please. 352 00:13:33,772 --> 00:13:35,899 You know, your insinuation is absurd. 353 00:13:35,940 --> 00:13:36,900 Miss Luchien signed 354 00:13:36,941 --> 00:13:39,027 a sworn statement to that 20 years ago. 355 00:13:39,069 --> 00:13:40,445 You pay off every girl he attacks? 356 00:13:40,487 --> 00:13:41,571 Cheaper to marry him off. 357 00:13:41,613 --> 00:13:43,365 Detective. 358 00:13:43,406 --> 00:13:44,574 All right. 359 00:13:44,616 --> 00:13:46,117 Michael... 360 00:13:46,159 --> 00:13:47,786 Mr. Ambassador... 361 00:13:47,827 --> 00:13:49,287 Come on. 362 00:13:49,329 --> 00:13:50,955 These people have nothing. 363 00:13:51,039 --> 00:13:54,751 Uh, If you anticipate using Stephanie Lucien 364 00:13:54,793 --> 00:13:57,212 as a pattern rape witness 365 00:13:57,253 --> 00:13:58,171 Miss Carmichael, think again 366 00:13:58,213 --> 00:14:00,090 and when you do, think about your witnesses: 367 00:14:00,131 --> 00:14:03,093 invalids who can't even remember their own names 368 00:14:03,134 --> 00:14:04,594 or are dead or missing 369 00:14:04,636 --> 00:14:06,763 along with half the physical evidence? Please. 370 00:14:06,805 --> 00:14:08,431 That's enough, Barry, let's go. 371 00:14:08,473 --> 00:14:10,433 All right. Gentlemen, Ms. Carmichael. 372 00:14:12,644 --> 00:14:14,229 Now what? 373 00:14:14,270 --> 00:14:16,731 Remember what the Luchien girl said 374 00:14:16,773 --> 00:14:19,484 about the little red sports car? 375 00:14:19,526 --> 00:14:22,278 You want to check the DMV for citations? 376 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,448 It's how they nabbed Berkowitz. 377 00:14:25,490 --> 00:14:26,324 No. 378 00:14:26,366 --> 00:14:29,119 Nothing registered to a Michael Sarno. 379 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:30,620 A red sports car 380 00:14:30,662 --> 00:14:32,706 uh, like 1980, '81? 381 00:14:32,747 --> 00:14:35,542 Sorry, database is not set up 382 00:14:35,583 --> 00:14:38,503 for a model search. 383 00:14:38,545 --> 00:14:40,588 Okay, try any variation on "Sarno." 384 00:14:40,630 --> 00:14:42,132 Maybe we'll get lucky. 385 00:14:44,551 --> 00:14:46,302 Got a Peter Sarno. 386 00:14:46,344 --> 00:14:48,680 The Ambassador. 387 00:14:48,722 --> 00:14:51,683 Peter Sarno owned three sedans and a vintage TR-6, red. 388 00:14:51,725 --> 00:14:54,102 A Triumph... a kid's ride. 389 00:14:54,144 --> 00:14:56,688 With a parking citation issue 390 00:14:56,730 --> 00:14:59,190 in the Borough of Manhattan 391 00:14:59,232 --> 00:15:03,153 August 21, 1981. 392 00:15:03,194 --> 00:15:04,279 The day of the murder. 393 00:15:04,321 --> 00:15:05,822 DMV can't even spell my name right 394 00:15:05,864 --> 00:15:07,365 they got a 20-year-old ticket 395 00:15:07,407 --> 00:15:09,075 in the system? 396 00:15:09,117 --> 00:15:10,660 Go figure. 397 00:15:10,702 --> 00:15:12,078 Hey, we know Sarno's the guy. 398 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:13,788 We just can't find anything to lock it down. 399 00:15:13,830 --> 00:15:15,540 Nothing further on the kid's whereabouts 400 00:15:15,582 --> 00:15:16,875 on the day of the killing? 401 00:15:16,916 --> 00:15:19,794 His car was in New York, but nobody we talked to puts him with it. 402 00:15:19,836 --> 00:15:20,920 And we talked to everybody. 403 00:15:20,962 --> 00:15:24,507 Well, if it's obvious to the two of you 20 years later 404 00:15:24,549 --> 00:15:27,344 how did Brannigan manage to miss it at the time? 405 00:15:27,385 --> 00:15:28,803 Looks like he has a hard time 406 00:15:28,845 --> 00:15:30,764 believing an ambassador would know how to lie. 407 00:15:30,805 --> 00:15:33,224 Hey, Tommy Brannigan's the best pure cop I ever knew. 408 00:15:33,266 --> 00:15:35,518 Lieutenant, this guy would like to have a word with you. 409 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,687 Can't you handle it? 410 00:15:37,729 --> 00:15:39,898 Um, it's about the Mosley case. 411 00:15:39,939 --> 00:15:42,108 Oh, thanks. 412 00:15:44,819 --> 00:15:46,488 I saw in the paper 413 00:15:46,529 --> 00:15:49,574 that the Mosley case was being investigated again 414 00:15:49,616 --> 00:15:51,368 and it made me remember 415 00:15:51,409 --> 00:15:53,745 this thing that this guy said one time. 416 00:15:53,787 --> 00:15:55,205 What guy? 417 00:15:55,246 --> 00:15:56,498 I can't tell you that. 418 00:15:56,539 --> 00:15:58,750 What can you tell us? 419 00:15:58,792 --> 00:16:03,171 Uh, this guy said... he killed a girl. 420 00:16:03,213 --> 00:16:05,465 He said he-he beat her with a ratchet 421 00:16:05,507 --> 00:16:07,425 after a night of drinking. 422 00:16:07,467 --> 00:16:10,678 I know he knew the Mosley girl. 423 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,764 I think it was her. 424 00:16:12,806 --> 00:16:14,766 How did he come to tell you this? 425 00:16:14,808 --> 00:16:16,559 We were in rehab together. 426 00:16:16,601 --> 00:16:17,560 It was in a meeting. 427 00:16:17,602 --> 00:16:20,897 For this information to be of any use 428 00:16:20,939 --> 00:16:22,774 you're going to have to tell us who the guy is. 429 00:16:22,816 --> 00:16:24,442 I'm not at liberty to say who it is. 430 00:16:24,484 --> 00:16:25,777 Why did you come here, Mr. Paley? 431 00:16:25,819 --> 00:16:27,779 I don't know. 432 00:16:27,821 --> 00:16:30,573 I...I was afraid maybe you'd arrest the wrong guy. 433 00:16:30,615 --> 00:16:31,908 And how does this stop us 434 00:16:31,950 --> 00:16:34,327 from doing that? 435 00:16:34,369 --> 00:16:36,663 Well, you-you could maybe 436 00:16:36,705 --> 00:16:40,417 tell me who it is that you're going to arrest 437 00:16:40,458 --> 00:16:42,752 and I could tell you if it was the same guy or not. 438 00:16:42,794 --> 00:16:44,629 Lieutenant, uh, would you and Detective Green 439 00:16:44,671 --> 00:16:45,797 excuse us for a minute? 440 00:16:45,839 --> 00:16:47,757 Sure. 441 00:16:56,683 --> 00:16:58,435 How much time you got in? 442 00:16:58,476 --> 00:17:01,896 Two and a half years. 443 00:17:01,938 --> 00:17:04,274 I'll have five years February 5. 444 00:17:04,316 --> 00:17:06,317 So you know... I can't say a name. 445 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,528 Yeah, but I know this: 446 00:17:08,570 --> 00:17:12,991 there's a woman out there who lost a daughter 447 00:17:13,033 --> 00:17:15,577 who deserves some closure 448 00:17:15,618 --> 00:17:17,495 and there's a bunch of cops 449 00:17:17,537 --> 00:17:19,831 trying very hard to find out who committed a murder 450 00:17:19,873 --> 00:17:20,915 20 years ago. 451 00:17:20,957 --> 00:17:23,293 Now maybe they're going to arrest the right person 452 00:17:23,335 --> 00:17:25,003 but there's always a chance 453 00:17:25,045 --> 00:17:26,796 they could arrest the wrong person. 454 00:17:26,838 --> 00:17:28,798 So what are you saying I should do? 455 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:33,845 Ask your higher power what's right. 456 00:17:37,515 --> 00:17:38,767 Michael Sarno, you're under arrest 457 00:17:38,808 --> 00:17:40,310 for the murder of Marybeth Mosley. 458 00:17:40,352 --> 00:17:41,686 Dad... Not a word, Michael. 459 00:17:41,728 --> 00:17:42,812 Michael, trust me, you'll be fine. 460 00:17:42,854 --> 00:17:43,730 Are those necessary? 461 00:17:43,772 --> 00:17:45,690 Detective, my client's surrendering. 462 00:17:45,732 --> 00:17:47,609 Yeah, sure, if he gives us his word of honor 463 00:17:47,651 --> 00:17:49,903 never to do it again, we'll just forget the whole thing. 464 00:17:56,576 --> 00:17:59,120 One count each Murder in the Second Degree 465 00:17:59,162 --> 00:18:00,705 Rape in the First Degree. 466 00:18:00,747 --> 00:18:01,998 1981? 467 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,709 A little slow stepping up to the plate 468 00:18:04,793 --> 00:18:06,211 on this one, eh, Miss Carmichael? 469 00:18:06,294 --> 00:18:07,504 Mr. Nathanson? 470 00:18:07,545 --> 00:18:09,547 Not guilty to all charges, Your Honor. 471 00:18:09,589 --> 00:18:12,509 People request remand. The defendant is being charged 472 00:18:12,550 --> 00:18:15,512 with a murder he's taken pains to conceal for two decades. 473 00:18:15,553 --> 00:18:17,514 He's concealed nothing because he's done nothing. 474 00:18:17,555 --> 00:18:18,848 He's confessed, Your Honor. 475 00:18:18,890 --> 00:18:20,558 Nothing of the sort 476 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,894 and defense challenges the statement as uncorroborative 477 00:18:22,936 --> 00:18:23,853 of the underlying charges. 478 00:18:23,895 --> 00:18:25,689 It's a matter of fact for a jury, Judge. 479 00:18:25,730 --> 00:18:26,856 Your Honor, we... 480 00:18:26,898 --> 00:18:28,525 Save it for trial, Counselor. 481 00:18:28,566 --> 00:18:30,485 Bail is set at one million dollars. 482 00:18:32,195 --> 00:18:33,989 We'll post that before lunch. 483 00:18:33,989 --> 00:18:35,907 I'm happy for you both. 484 00:18:36,950 --> 00:18:38,910 Next. 485 00:18:38,952 --> 00:18:40,912 Ah, you see, JJ 486 00:18:40,954 --> 00:18:44,499 what detectives do 90% of the time 487 00:18:44,541 --> 00:18:45,709 is sit around and drink coffee. 488 00:18:45,750 --> 00:18:47,085 And you got perfect timing, too. 489 00:18:47,127 --> 00:18:48,878 We were just going to send down for lunch. 490 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,714 What's up, JJ? 491 00:18:50,755 --> 00:18:52,590 Want me to show him how to roll fingerprints? 492 00:18:52,632 --> 00:18:55,510 Very nice of you, Ed, but I don't want to be a bother. 493 00:18:55,552 --> 00:18:56,845 No bother. You want to go? 494 00:18:56,886 --> 00:18:57,929 Could I? 495 00:18:57,971 --> 00:18:59,264 Sure. 496 00:18:59,347 --> 00:19:01,933 I'll be down for you in a second. 497 00:19:01,975 --> 00:19:05,228 Thanks for calling me about the collar. 498 00:19:05,270 --> 00:19:07,731 Oh, hey, after the boss, you were the first one 499 00:19:07,772 --> 00:19:08,732 to find out. 500 00:19:08,773 --> 00:19:11,026 I dug around in my notes for the name and address 501 00:19:11,067 --> 00:19:12,235 of this girl, Janice Trainor. 502 00:19:12,277 --> 00:19:13,778 She was Marybeth's girlfriend. 503 00:19:13,820 --> 00:19:16,031 I figured they might want her for a witness. 504 00:19:16,072 --> 00:19:18,241 Yeah, I'll let them know. 505 00:19:18,283 --> 00:19:22,537 You wouldn't happen to know whether they were planning 506 00:19:22,579 --> 00:19:25,248 on calling me as a witness, would you? No, I don't. 507 00:19:25,290 --> 00:19:27,292 The only reason I ask is I'm supposed to go down 508 00:19:27,334 --> 00:19:29,586 to my daughter's in Florida around then, and I'd be 509 00:19:29,627 --> 00:19:31,629 looking to buy the tickets a couple of weeks in advance 510 00:19:31,713 --> 00:19:32,881 on account of the fare. 511 00:19:32,922 --> 00:19:34,215 You call in to the DA's office? 512 00:19:34,215 --> 00:19:37,093 Oh, I don't want to be a pain in the ass. 513 00:19:37,135 --> 00:19:39,596 Give me a call if you hear anything 514 00:19:39,637 --> 00:19:40,930 will you? 515 00:19:40,972 --> 00:19:42,265 You got it. 516 00:19:42,307 --> 00:19:45,602 And congratulations. 517 00:19:45,643 --> 00:19:46,895 Oh, hey, we caught a break. 518 00:19:46,936 --> 00:19:48,146 I wish it had been me 519 00:19:48,188 --> 00:19:51,691 but if it wasn't me, I'm glad it was you. 520 00:19:51,733 --> 00:19:53,735 Take care, Tommy. 521 00:19:57,822 --> 00:20:00,784 Nathanson is right behind me. 522 00:20:00,825 --> 00:20:03,286 What can we do for you, Barry? 523 00:20:03,328 --> 00:20:05,622 Ah, some preliminary matters. 524 00:20:05,663 --> 00:20:07,582 Like pleading your client to the top counts? 525 00:20:07,624 --> 00:20:10,126 Hey, hey, sense of humor. 526 00:20:10,168 --> 00:20:12,128 Something your predecessors lacked. 527 00:20:12,170 --> 00:20:13,296 I like that. 528 00:20:13,338 --> 00:20:16,299 Half your witnesses are dead or in need of nursing care 529 00:20:16,341 --> 00:20:18,635 missing evidence, contradictory statements. 530 00:20:18,676 --> 00:20:20,595 No, Mr. Sarno is not inclined 531 00:20:20,637 --> 00:20:22,013 to plead to anything. 532 00:20:22,055 --> 00:20:23,139 Fine. 533 00:20:23,181 --> 00:20:24,682 I'm curious to hear how he explains 534 00:20:24,724 --> 00:20:26,267 his confession to a jury. 535 00:20:26,309 --> 00:20:27,310 Confession? 536 00:20:27,352 --> 00:20:29,604 Doesn't pass the laugh test, Jack. 537 00:20:29,646 --> 00:20:31,606 Motion to suppress. Only person ever hears 538 00:20:31,606 --> 00:20:34,609 of my client's purported statement's a judge. 539 00:20:38,196 --> 00:20:40,615 "Sarno's alleged declaration, ambiguous at best 540 00:20:40,615 --> 00:20:42,075 is, in any event 541 00:20:42,117 --> 00:20:44,327 inadmissible as privileged." 542 00:20:44,369 --> 00:20:45,495 Didn't you tell me 543 00:20:45,537 --> 00:20:48,123 Sarno confessed to a friend in a group therapy session? 544 00:20:48,164 --> 00:20:49,290 Yeah, Paley. 545 00:20:49,332 --> 00:20:51,668 He's the only one who wants to talk. 546 00:20:51,710 --> 00:20:52,711 Well, he'll have to do. 547 00:20:52,752 --> 00:20:54,713 Every do-gooder in town 548 00:20:54,754 --> 00:20:56,381 is jumping on the Sarno bandwagon. 549 00:20:56,423 --> 00:20:58,216 Amicus briefs on the motion to suppress: 550 00:20:58,258 --> 00:21:00,635 AA, ACLU, AMA. 551 00:21:07,392 --> 00:21:08,810 Now, Doctor, you are a psychologist 552 00:21:08,852 --> 00:21:10,228 licensed by the State of New York? 553 00:21:10,270 --> 00:21:11,312 I am. 554 00:21:11,354 --> 00:21:13,857 I'm also the director of the Morningside Clinic 555 00:21:13,898 --> 00:21:15,692 a drug and alcohol rehabilitation institute. 556 00:21:15,734 --> 00:21:17,193 And you were leading 557 00:21:17,235 --> 00:21:19,612 a group therapeutic session on the morning in question? 558 00:21:19,654 --> 00:21:20,405 Yes, Mr. Nathanson. 559 00:21:20,447 --> 00:21:22,365 Mr. Sarno was one of four patients 560 00:21:22,407 --> 00:21:24,868 undergoing intensive counseling sessions 561 00:21:24,909 --> 00:21:27,662 as part of their treatment for alcohol addiction. 562 00:21:27,704 --> 00:21:30,040 Now, Dr. Hermann, without revealing the remarks 563 00:21:30,081 --> 00:21:32,917 of any of the participants, is there any doubt in your mind 564 00:21:32,959 --> 00:21:35,712 that this session was conducted within the confines 565 00:21:35,754 --> 00:21:37,338 of a professional setting? 566 00:21:37,380 --> 00:21:38,923 No, none whatsoever. 567 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,346 What's to stop a member of a group 568 00:21:44,387 --> 00:21:46,723 from telling someone-- anyone-- 569 00:21:46,765 --> 00:21:49,726 what was said in a therapy session? 570 00:21:49,768 --> 00:21:51,436 Legally, I'm not qualified to answer, sir. 571 00:21:51,478 --> 00:21:54,230 Morally, ethically, I believe my patients feel bound 572 00:21:54,272 --> 00:21:55,148 by a sense of confidentiality. 573 00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:57,317 "What you hear here, when you leave here 574 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:58,443 let it stay here." 575 00:21:58,526 --> 00:21:59,903 You're aware that notion 576 00:21:59,944 --> 00:22:01,237 has no legal effect? 577 00:22:01,279 --> 00:22:03,948 Objection. The witness has already stated 578 00:22:04,032 --> 00:22:05,742 that he holds no degree in jurisprudence. 579 00:22:05,784 --> 00:22:06,910 Sustained. 580 00:22:12,749 --> 00:22:15,960 As Lead Counsel, I speak for all parties. 581 00:22:16,002 --> 00:22:20,757 Whatever Mr. Sarno may have said falls under CPLR 4507. 582 00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:22,425 That section creates the privilege 583 00:22:22,467 --> 00:22:25,804 between a psychologist and one client, singular. 584 00:22:25,845 --> 00:22:27,430 Mr. Sarno was in a group therapeutic session 585 00:22:27,472 --> 00:22:29,349 conducted within AA guidelines 586 00:22:29,391 --> 00:22:31,434 supervised by a licensed psychologist 587 00:22:31,476 --> 00:22:32,769 Your Honor... 588 00:22:32,811 --> 00:22:34,437 This is not just my position, Your Honor 589 00:22:34,479 --> 00:22:36,898 but those of the American Civil Liberties Union 590 00:22:36,898 --> 00:22:39,234 and the American Medical Association and AA. 591 00:22:39,275 --> 00:22:41,444 Your Honor has their amicus submissions. 592 00:22:41,486 --> 00:22:43,154 So we're on the same page. 593 00:22:43,196 --> 00:22:45,782 Your client did admit killing the Mosley girl. 594 00:22:45,824 --> 00:22:47,450 I make no such concession, Your Honor. 595 00:22:47,492 --> 00:22:48,910 Mr. Sarno made his statements 596 00:22:48,910 --> 00:22:50,120 in a room full of people. 597 00:22:50,161 --> 00:22:51,496 Their presence shatters any privilege. 598 00:22:51,538 --> 00:22:53,289 Not if they're all members 599 00:22:53,331 --> 00:22:54,791 of a therapeutic group. 600 00:22:54,833 --> 00:22:55,875 The privilege radiates 601 00:22:55,917 --> 00:22:58,211 from the psychologist to each member. 602 00:22:58,253 --> 00:23:01,089 People v. Wilkins: "The privilege between psychologist and client 603 00:23:01,089 --> 00:23:04,467 should be viewed as broader--broader-- than doctor-patient." 604 00:23:04,509 --> 00:23:07,804 There is no confidentiality when others are included. 605 00:23:07,846 --> 00:23:10,348 The point of group therapy, all therapy 606 00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:13,268 is to heal, through revelation and sharing. 607 00:23:13,309 --> 00:23:15,270 Where does it end, Your Honor? 608 00:23:15,311 --> 00:23:16,980 Privilege, as such, is designed 609 00:23:17,022 --> 00:23:19,107 to be as narrowly drawn as possible. 610 00:23:19,149 --> 00:23:20,066 Your Honor, be advised 611 00:23:20,108 --> 00:23:22,777 that the organizations represented here today 612 00:23:22,819 --> 00:23:25,947 are prepared to take this point on appeal all the way up 613 00:23:25,989 --> 00:23:28,116 to the nine wise souls in Washington, if necessary. 614 00:23:28,158 --> 00:23:29,200 Enough. 615 00:23:29,242 --> 00:23:30,869 The purpose of the statute 616 00:23:30,910 --> 00:23:33,455 conferring psychologist-client privilege is clear. 617 00:23:33,496 --> 00:23:35,749 Without unfettered communication 618 00:23:35,790 --> 00:23:38,543 between therapist and client 619 00:23:38,585 --> 00:23:41,337 the therapeutic effect would suffer. 620 00:23:41,379 --> 00:23:44,257 That Mr. Sarno made statements in front of other clients 621 00:23:44,299 --> 00:23:45,342 I find immaterial. 622 00:23:45,383 --> 00:23:47,052 The motion to suppress is granted. 623 00:23:47,093 --> 00:23:50,346 Counsel is to pick a date for trial 624 00:23:50,388 --> 00:23:51,848 preferably a short one. 625 00:23:53,349 --> 00:23:55,352 Mr. McCoy... 626 00:23:55,393 --> 00:23:58,063 Mr. Nathanson tells me you have little in the way of evidence 627 00:23:58,146 --> 00:24:01,358 and now you haven't got my son's statement, either. 628 00:24:01,399 --> 00:24:03,401 All due respect, Mr. Ambassador 629 00:24:03,485 --> 00:24:05,570 we have sufficient for conviction 630 00:24:05,612 --> 00:24:07,322 as Judge Rivera indicated. 631 00:24:07,322 --> 00:24:10,033 Please, Mr. McCoy, we're not children here. 632 00:24:10,075 --> 00:24:13,203 I know the distance between a technical sufficiency 633 00:24:13,244 --> 00:24:14,371 and a conviction. 634 00:24:14,412 --> 00:24:17,374 What do you want, Mr. Sarno? 635 00:24:17,415 --> 00:24:19,584 I want what any parent in my position would: 636 00:24:19,626 --> 00:24:20,877 an end to the persecution 637 00:24:20,919 --> 00:24:22,045 of my boy. 638 00:24:22,087 --> 00:24:25,924 It's prosecution, not persecution, and we're doing this 639 00:24:25,965 --> 00:24:27,842 because we think your son is guilty. 640 00:24:27,884 --> 00:24:30,887 Please, spare me the fake pieties, Counselor. 641 00:24:30,929 --> 00:24:34,015 You're doing it to see your name in the paper. 642 00:24:36,434 --> 00:24:38,895 Missing murder weapon, no DNA 643 00:24:38,937 --> 00:24:41,398 no eyewitness, no confession. 644 00:24:41,439 --> 00:24:45,235 And with Nathanson, you ain't seen nothing yet. 645 00:24:45,276 --> 00:24:47,237 So where do we start? 646 00:24:47,278 --> 00:24:51,116 I'll dazzle them in the courtroom as long as I can. 647 00:24:51,199 --> 00:24:53,618 See what you can dig up. 648 00:24:57,747 --> 00:24:59,374 Okay, the ME at the time was Dr. Singh. 649 00:24:59,416 --> 00:25:00,208 Deceased. 650 00:25:00,250 --> 00:25:02,794 There's no putting him on the stand. 651 00:25:02,836 --> 00:25:04,421 Well, his report still establishes 652 00:25:04,462 --> 00:25:07,257 that Mosley was killed with a ratchet. 653 00:25:07,298 --> 00:25:10,385 Well, jurors aren't generally too taken with pieces of paper. 654 00:25:10,427 --> 00:25:12,387 And the ratchet itself is gone. 655 00:25:12,387 --> 00:25:14,806 Yeah, now how does that happen? 656 00:25:14,848 --> 00:25:17,809 Well, once an investigation's concluded 657 00:25:17,851 --> 00:25:20,937 evidence is moved from One PP to a warehouse in Queens. 658 00:25:20,979 --> 00:25:22,731 Sometimes it gets lost, mislabeled. 659 00:25:22,772 --> 00:25:25,400 And what about before an investigation is concluded? 660 00:25:25,442 --> 00:25:27,569 It stays in the property room. 661 00:25:27,610 --> 00:25:28,945 Unless? 662 00:25:28,987 --> 00:25:30,905 Unless someone signs them out 663 00:25:30,905 --> 00:25:34,743 and we've looked for those logs and they're nowhere to be found. 664 00:25:34,784 --> 00:25:35,618 Can we find out 665 00:25:35,660 --> 00:25:37,328 who made the entries in those logs? 666 00:25:37,370 --> 00:25:38,621 Sure. 667 00:25:38,663 --> 00:25:41,082 Maybe we'll actually find someone who's alive. 668 00:25:42,834 --> 00:25:45,295 At the time of the original investigation 669 00:25:45,336 --> 00:25:47,964 I was assigned to assist the primary investigator 670 00:25:48,006 --> 00:25:50,091 in the collection of evidence. 671 00:25:50,091 --> 00:25:51,176 In that capacity 672 00:25:51,217 --> 00:25:53,678 did you have occasion to visit the Sarno family home? 673 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,305 I did. 674 00:25:55,346 --> 00:25:57,640 Specifically, I entered the underground parking area 675 00:25:57,682 --> 00:25:59,642 of the Sarno townhouse on Fifth Avenue. 676 00:25:59,684 --> 00:26:01,811 Could you please tell the jury 677 00:26:01,853 --> 00:26:04,272 what, if anything, you observed there? 678 00:26:04,314 --> 00:26:07,108 Mr. Sarno maintained a well-equipped workroom 679 00:26:07,150 --> 00:26:09,944 including an extensive collection of tools. 680 00:26:09,986 --> 00:26:12,447 Among them was a large set of drivers and ratchets. 681 00:26:12,447 --> 00:26:16,618 Missing from these was a one-inch driver. 682 00:26:21,498 --> 00:26:24,000 Nothing whatsoever of this witness, Your Honor. 683 00:26:27,045 --> 00:26:28,630 Marybeth Mosley. 684 00:26:28,672 --> 00:26:31,132 Was she popular in school? 685 00:26:31,174 --> 00:26:34,135 I used to be so jealous of her. 686 00:26:34,135 --> 00:26:37,722 Her hair was so straight, gorgeous skin. 687 00:26:37,764 --> 00:26:38,807 She was very popular. 688 00:26:38,848 --> 00:26:41,351 Did you know if she had feelings for the defendant? 689 00:26:41,393 --> 00:26:42,519 For a while she did. 690 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,355 He was funny and he had a lot of charm 691 00:26:45,397 --> 00:26:47,524 and he really made an effort to sweep her off her feet. 692 00:26:47,565 --> 00:26:49,401 One summer, they wound up going out. 693 00:26:49,442 --> 00:26:51,861 Were you aware of what it was that made them 694 00:26:51,903 --> 00:26:53,363 stop going out? 695 00:26:53,405 --> 00:26:55,865 Michael wanted a full-on sexual relationship 696 00:26:55,907 --> 00:26:57,409 and Marybeth didn't. 697 00:26:57,450 --> 00:26:58,576 She was definite about it. 698 00:26:58,618 --> 00:26:59,994 He wouldn't take no for an answer. 699 00:27:00,036 --> 00:27:00,912 Objection. 700 00:27:00,954 --> 00:27:03,164 How on earth does she know what my client 701 00:27:03,164 --> 00:27:05,417 would or would not have taken for an answer 702 00:27:05,458 --> 00:27:07,377 going back-- what it is?-- 20 years in time? 703 00:27:07,419 --> 00:27:08,378 Sustained. 704 00:27:08,420 --> 00:27:10,839 Ms. Trainor, was there a time 705 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,674 when, in your presence 706 00:27:12,716 --> 00:27:16,386 Marybeth Mosley physically rejected Mr. Sarno? 707 00:27:16,428 --> 00:27:20,765 We were at a school dance. 708 00:27:20,807 --> 00:27:23,059 Afterwards, a bunch of us went for burgers. 709 00:27:23,101 --> 00:27:25,019 Michael sat beside Marybeth. 710 00:27:25,061 --> 00:27:26,855 He put his hands on her. 711 00:27:26,896 --> 00:27:29,399 I'm pretty sure he was drunk. 712 00:27:29,441 --> 00:27:31,401 She told him to stop. He wouldn't. 713 00:27:31,443 --> 00:27:33,611 She threw a basket of fries in his lap. 714 00:27:33,653 --> 00:27:35,405 That slow him down a bit? 715 00:27:35,447 --> 00:27:38,408 No, and when she started to cry, he laughed at her. 716 00:27:38,450 --> 00:27:41,870 He said he could have her any time he wanted. 717 00:27:41,911 --> 00:27:43,204 Thank you, Miss Trainor. 718 00:27:43,246 --> 00:27:45,540 I have nothing further. 719 00:27:51,963 --> 00:27:54,799 Those his words, Ms. Trainor? 720 00:27:54,841 --> 00:27:56,426 "I can have you any time I want"? 721 00:27:56,468 --> 00:28:00,055 It's hard to remember exactly after 20 years. 722 00:28:00,055 --> 00:28:00,972 So your response 723 00:28:01,014 --> 00:28:03,892 to Mr. McCoy's question was what-- inexact 724 00:28:03,933 --> 00:28:05,226 or invented? 725 00:28:05,268 --> 00:28:06,603 Objection. 726 00:28:06,644 --> 00:28:07,896 No, I'm going to allow it. 727 00:28:07,937 --> 00:28:10,065 I was trying to remember. 728 00:28:10,106 --> 00:28:12,567 Anyone from the District Attorney's Office help you to remember? 729 00:28:12,609 --> 00:28:14,110 Objection. 730 00:28:14,152 --> 00:28:15,987 Sustained. 731 00:28:17,655 --> 00:28:20,241 Ms. Trainor, did you relate any part 732 00:28:20,241 --> 00:28:23,244 of this tale of rejection to the police 733 00:28:23,286 --> 00:28:24,954 20 years ago? 734 00:28:24,996 --> 00:28:27,123 I spoke to a detective, yes. 735 00:28:27,165 --> 00:28:28,875 So, it's your testimony as you sit here today 736 00:28:28,917 --> 00:28:30,919 that you told an NYPD detective that my client 737 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,837 was what? Going out with Ms. Mosley? 738 00:28:32,879 --> 00:28:33,797 Yes. 739 00:28:33,838 --> 00:28:34,798 That he was actively 740 00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:36,841 sexually pursuing her? 741 00:28:36,883 --> 00:28:38,426 Yes. 742 00:28:38,468 --> 00:28:40,595 Your Honor, I call for the production of police reports 743 00:28:40,637 --> 00:28:41,638 reflecting the statements 744 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:42,639 of this witness. 745 00:28:42,681 --> 00:28:44,808 Counsel, step up. 746 00:28:48,186 --> 00:28:50,480 Do you have this, Mr. McCoy? 747 00:28:50,522 --> 00:28:51,439 Judge, it's been 20 years. 748 00:28:51,439 --> 00:28:53,483 Some of the documentation has been mislaid. 749 00:28:53,525 --> 00:28:56,486 My client's accused of murder and Mr. McCoy pleads sloppiness? 750 00:28:56,528 --> 00:28:57,445 This is unbelievable. 751 00:28:57,487 --> 00:29:00,281 Save the histrionics for the closing, Barry. 752 00:29:00,281 --> 00:29:01,157 Whether she spoke 753 00:29:01,199 --> 00:29:03,493 to a detective 20 years ago is immaterial. 754 00:29:03,535 --> 00:29:04,452 She's here now. 755 00:29:04,494 --> 00:29:06,287 Your Honor, they're pulling 756 00:29:06,329 --> 00:29:07,247 an O.J. in reverse. 757 00:29:07,288 --> 00:29:08,331 Instead of planting evidence 758 00:29:08,373 --> 00:29:10,291 they're framing my client with the absence of it. 759 00:29:10,333 --> 00:29:12,293 That's an outrageous accusation. 760 00:29:12,335 --> 00:29:13,670 I move to strike 761 00:29:13,712 --> 00:29:15,547 the witness's testimony in its entirety. 762 00:29:15,588 --> 00:29:16,589 Denied. 763 00:29:16,631 --> 00:29:19,092 Well, I reserve the right to argue in closing 764 00:29:19,134 --> 00:29:21,636 that the testimony is unsupported by documents 765 00:29:21,678 --> 00:29:23,054 and that it's fabricated. 766 00:29:23,096 --> 00:29:25,056 Granted. 767 00:29:25,098 --> 00:29:27,142 Now step back. 768 00:29:30,019 --> 00:29:34,524 I wasn't always in the property room you know. 769 00:29:34,566 --> 00:29:38,111 1963, I was wounded in a shoot-out-- 770 00:29:38,153 --> 00:29:40,155 one of the Chinese gangs down on East Broadway. 771 00:29:40,196 --> 00:29:41,156 Really? 772 00:29:41,197 --> 00:29:43,199 And don't think I didn't make a collar anyway-- 773 00:29:43,241 --> 00:29:44,200 two of them, yeah. 774 00:29:44,242 --> 00:29:46,077 I walked them out with my arm in a sling. 775 00:29:47,203 --> 00:29:48,580 I could show you pictures. 776 00:29:48,621 --> 00:29:49,539 Well, actually... 777 00:29:49,581 --> 00:29:52,709 Um, a young woman was killed around 1980 778 00:29:52,751 --> 00:29:54,336 a Marybeth Mosley. 779 00:29:54,377 --> 00:29:55,920 The evidence from her case 780 00:29:55,962 --> 00:29:57,839 disappeared from the property room. 781 00:29:57,881 --> 00:29:59,549 Mosley. 782 00:29:59,591 --> 00:30:00,759 Oh, wait a minute... 783 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:01,926 She was killed 784 00:30:02,010 --> 00:30:02,927 with a wrench. 785 00:30:02,969 --> 00:30:04,054 A ratchet, yes. 786 00:30:04,888 --> 00:30:06,056 1980... 787 00:30:06,097 --> 00:30:07,015 Right. 788 00:30:07,057 --> 00:30:10,310 So... we weren't on Broom Street anymore. 789 00:30:10,352 --> 00:30:12,103 Do you remember anything out of the ordinary? 790 00:30:12,145 --> 00:30:13,563 Well, I remember some guy trying 791 00:30:13,605 --> 00:30:16,066 to check things out without signing for them. 792 00:30:16,107 --> 00:30:18,360 In fact, it was a wrench, if I do recall. 793 00:30:18,401 --> 00:30:19,861 Do you remember who? 794 00:30:19,903 --> 00:30:20,862 Some detective... 795 00:30:20,904 --> 00:30:23,073 I don't remember his name. 796 00:30:23,114 --> 00:30:24,157 Oh... 797 00:30:24,199 --> 00:30:27,619 "Driving for Inspector Holsick" is what he told me. 798 00:30:27,661 --> 00:30:30,622 I said I don't care who you're driving for, Skippy 799 00:30:30,705 --> 00:30:34,209 you sign the ledger or you're not taking out nothing. 800 00:30:34,250 --> 00:30:35,210 And did he? 801 00:30:35,251 --> 00:30:38,963 You're damn right he did. 802 00:30:39,005 --> 00:30:40,090 Finally, Detective 803 00:30:40,131 --> 00:30:41,633 did you attempt to retrieve 804 00:30:41,674 --> 00:30:43,343 the clothing Marybeth Mosley was wearing 805 00:30:43,385 --> 00:30:44,177 on the day she was killed 806 00:30:44,219 --> 00:30:46,638 from the police property clerk's office? 807 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,014 Yes. 808 00:30:48,056 --> 00:30:49,307 And the murder weapon? 809 00:30:49,349 --> 00:30:51,267 We-- my partner and I-- 810 00:30:51,309 --> 00:30:53,144 were told that they couldn't be located. 811 00:30:53,186 --> 00:30:54,813 Did the property clerk 812 00:30:54,896 --> 00:30:57,941 have any explanation for why the items were missing? 813 00:30:57,982 --> 00:30:59,275 He said they might've been lost 814 00:30:59,317 --> 00:31:01,945 during the course of a move to a new building. 815 00:31:01,987 --> 00:31:04,781 Thank you, Detective, nothing further. 816 00:31:10,954 --> 00:31:11,997 You've never laid eyes 817 00:31:12,038 --> 00:31:14,749 on the alleged murder weapon, have you, Detective? 818 00:31:14,791 --> 00:31:16,084 Well, I've never seen 819 00:31:16,126 --> 00:31:18,086 the dark side of the moon, either, Counselor 820 00:31:18,128 --> 00:31:18,837 but I know it exists. 821 00:31:18,878 --> 00:31:21,131 Maybe that's where the ratchet is. 822 00:31:21,172 --> 00:31:22,298 I couldn't say. 823 00:31:22,340 --> 00:31:25,135 Nor can anyone else. 824 00:31:25,176 --> 00:31:26,428 Which may mean, could it not 825 00:31:26,469 --> 00:31:30,015 that the ratchet purportedly missing from the Sarnos' garage 826 00:31:30,056 --> 00:31:32,308 wasn't the murder weapon at all? 827 00:31:32,350 --> 00:31:34,686 That the murder weapon was, in fact 828 00:31:34,728 --> 00:31:38,773 a hammer or a paperweight. 829 00:31:38,815 --> 00:31:40,358 I guess anything's possible. 830 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,652 Nothing further. 831 00:31:46,698 --> 00:31:48,491 Michael, how well 832 00:31:48,533 --> 00:31:51,119 did you know Marybeth Mosley then? 833 00:31:51,161 --> 00:31:52,704 We dated for one summer. 834 00:31:52,746 --> 00:31:54,706 Mostly we were just friends. 835 00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:57,167 Ever kiss her? 836 00:31:57,208 --> 00:31:59,294 Sure. 837 00:31:59,336 --> 00:32:00,462 Ever have sexual relations with her? 838 00:32:00,503 --> 00:32:01,504 No, sir. 839 00:32:01,546 --> 00:32:03,673 Michael, we've heard testimony 840 00:32:03,715 --> 00:32:06,384 that you struck Ms. Mosley. 841 00:32:06,426 --> 00:32:07,427 Totally untrue. 842 00:32:07,469 --> 00:32:08,845 We've heard testimony that 843 00:32:08,887 --> 00:32:10,388 in front of others, you swore 844 00:32:10,472 --> 00:32:12,724 you could have her whenever you wanted. 845 00:32:12,807 --> 00:32:16,144 Look, I don't remember what I said 20 years ago. 846 00:32:16,186 --> 00:32:20,523 Could I have said something like that fooling around? Sure. 847 00:32:20,565 --> 00:32:23,485 But that's what it was, fooling around. 848 00:32:30,450 --> 00:32:31,868 Michael 849 00:32:31,910 --> 00:32:34,412 did you murder Marybeth Mosley? 850 00:32:34,496 --> 00:32:36,706 I did not, sir. 851 00:32:36,748 --> 00:32:40,377 Thank you, Michael. 852 00:32:40,418 --> 00:32:42,170 Nothing further, Your Honor. 853 00:32:43,546 --> 00:32:46,716 Do you remember telling Detective Thomas Brannigan 854 00:32:46,758 --> 00:32:48,802 that you were in college... 855 00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:53,431 ...that you were in college in New Hampshire 856 00:32:53,515 --> 00:32:56,726 on the day Marybeth Mosley was murdered? 857 00:32:56,768 --> 00:32:57,852 Yes, sir. 858 00:33:01,106 --> 00:33:02,857 Was that the truth? 859 00:33:02,899 --> 00:33:05,485 No, sir. 860 00:33:05,527 --> 00:33:07,445 I'd been suspended from college. 861 00:33:07,487 --> 00:33:08,405 I didn't want my father 862 00:33:08,446 --> 00:33:09,406 to find out. 863 00:33:09,447 --> 00:33:11,783 And you weren't in New York City 864 00:33:11,825 --> 00:33:13,785 on the day Marybeth Mosley was killed? 865 00:33:13,827 --> 00:33:15,912 No, sir. 866 00:33:15,954 --> 00:33:18,248 But your car was. 867 00:33:23,461 --> 00:33:25,296 Your Honor, would you direct 868 00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:26,881 the witness to answer? 869 00:33:26,923 --> 00:33:28,925 Mr. Sarno. 870 00:33:30,635 --> 00:33:33,430 I didn't own a car, Mr. McCoy. 871 00:33:33,471 --> 00:33:35,432 All right, your father's car 872 00:33:35,473 --> 00:33:36,975 a Triumph, Model TR-6 873 00:33:37,017 --> 00:33:41,980 which you routinely drove back and forth to college 874 00:33:42,063 --> 00:33:44,107 and used as your own. 875 00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:46,985 Was it, sir, in New York City 876 00:33:47,068 --> 00:33:48,945 the day of the murder? 877 00:33:48,987 --> 00:33:50,280 Not to my knowledge. 878 00:33:50,321 --> 00:33:52,574 Do you know how that car came to have 879 00:33:52,615 --> 00:33:54,117 a parking violation issued 880 00:33:54,159 --> 00:33:56,453 by the New York City Police on that day? 881 00:33:56,494 --> 00:33:58,079 Objection. 882 00:33:58,121 --> 00:34:00,332 If the witness had no knowledge of the car's whereabouts 883 00:34:00,373 --> 00:34:02,042 how can he possibly answer that question? 884 00:34:02,083 --> 00:34:04,461 Sustained. 885 00:34:04,502 --> 00:34:06,796 I have no further questions at this time. 886 00:34:06,838 --> 00:34:11,301 I reserve the right to recall at a later date. 887 00:34:16,306 --> 00:34:17,849 Got anything? 888 00:34:17,891 --> 00:34:20,894 We need to talk to Brannigan. 889 00:34:24,189 --> 00:34:27,108 What is it with you guys and this case? 890 00:34:27,150 --> 00:34:28,860 It's 20 years ago. 891 00:34:28,902 --> 00:34:31,905 There's no statute of limitations on murder. 892 00:34:34,491 --> 00:34:36,576 You know how many cases I've handled 893 00:34:36,618 --> 00:34:38,536 in the 23 years I was on the job? 894 00:34:38,578 --> 00:34:42,290 I don't remember details of one case. 895 00:34:42,332 --> 00:34:45,585 You don't remember anyone getting rid of evidence? 896 00:34:49,089 --> 00:34:51,007 No, I don't. 897 00:34:51,049 --> 00:34:53,468 Was there anyone 898 00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:55,512 in the Police Department who tried to influence 899 00:34:55,553 --> 00:34:57,347 the way you conducted the investigation? 900 00:35:00,058 --> 00:35:01,518 What are you saying? 901 00:35:01,559 --> 00:35:05,188 We're asking the question. 902 00:35:07,023 --> 00:35:10,193 I mean, this is just a friendly conversation. 903 00:35:10,235 --> 00:35:11,695 Do you know how it happened 904 00:35:11,736 --> 00:35:14,155 that evidence disappeared from the property room? 905 00:35:21,287 --> 00:35:23,915 No. 906 00:35:23,957 --> 00:35:25,667 No, I don't. 907 00:35:25,709 --> 00:35:28,628 I don't know nothing. 908 00:35:46,646 --> 00:35:48,898 Now, you were in charge of the investigation 909 00:35:48,940 --> 00:35:50,442 into Marybeth Mosley's death, were you not? 910 00:35:50,483 --> 00:35:52,485 I was. 911 00:35:52,527 --> 00:35:54,404 And you conducted that investigation 912 00:35:54,446 --> 00:35:56,573 in the immediate aftermath of her death? 913 00:35:56,614 --> 00:35:57,407 Right. 914 00:35:57,449 --> 00:36:00,702 So the people who knew the defendant 915 00:36:00,744 --> 00:36:02,329 who knew the victim 916 00:36:02,370 --> 00:36:06,374 their recollection of people, places and things 917 00:36:06,416 --> 00:36:08,710 they would have been fresh then, would they not? 918 00:36:08,752 --> 00:36:10,003 Objection, leading. 919 00:36:10,045 --> 00:36:11,629 Sustained. 920 00:36:11,671 --> 00:36:13,423 Did you consider 921 00:36:13,465 --> 00:36:16,634 Michael Sarno a suspect at the time? 922 00:36:16,676 --> 00:36:18,386 Tell you the truth 923 00:36:18,428 --> 00:36:21,181 I don't remember loving anyone all that much for a suspect. 924 00:36:21,222 --> 00:36:22,557 Well, as a matter of fact 925 00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:24,559 wasn't the primary focus of your investigation 926 00:36:24,601 --> 00:36:26,102 a plumber 927 00:36:26,144 --> 00:36:28,146 who had been working at the Mosley house? 928 00:36:28,188 --> 00:36:30,648 Right. I thought we had half a shot with the plumber. 929 00:36:30,690 --> 00:36:32,984 Well, why didn't you think 930 00:36:33,026 --> 00:36:35,236 you had half a shot with Michael Sarno? 931 00:36:35,278 --> 00:36:36,321 As far as we knew 932 00:36:36,363 --> 00:36:40,075 he wasn't in New York at the time of the murder. 933 00:36:40,116 --> 00:36:42,077 That's the end of the story. 934 00:36:42,118 --> 00:36:44,954 I have nothing further. 935 00:37:01,554 --> 00:37:03,598 Do you think your opinion 936 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,017 of the defendant's whereabouts would have changed 937 00:37:06,059 --> 00:37:07,686 if you knew his car had received 938 00:37:07,727 --> 00:37:09,688 a parking violation in New York 939 00:37:09,729 --> 00:37:11,648 at the time of the murder? 940 00:37:11,690 --> 00:37:12,565 As I recall 941 00:37:12,607 --> 00:37:14,651 the car that received the parking ticket 942 00:37:14,693 --> 00:37:16,069 was registered to his father. 943 00:37:16,111 --> 00:37:18,071 But driven by the defendant. 944 00:37:18,113 --> 00:37:21,449 I don't recall having that information at the time. 945 00:37:21,491 --> 00:37:23,201 What about the fact 946 00:37:23,243 --> 00:37:26,454 that a one-inch drive ratchet was the murder weapon 947 00:37:26,496 --> 00:37:28,289 and a one-inch drive ratchet 948 00:37:28,331 --> 00:37:31,001 was missing from the defendant's father's garage? 949 00:37:31,042 --> 00:37:32,335 Given the fact 950 00:37:32,377 --> 00:37:33,712 that we lost the murder weapon 951 00:37:33,753 --> 00:37:36,381 I couldn't very well make a case out of that. 952 00:37:36,423 --> 00:37:38,717 Would you, by any chance 953 00:37:38,758 --> 00:37:41,052 know how the murder weapon came to be lost? 954 00:37:41,094 --> 00:37:42,721 No, I wouldn't. 955 00:37:42,762 --> 00:37:44,723 Were you familiar with 956 00:37:44,764 --> 00:37:48,351 a police inspector named Alvin Holsick? 957 00:37:51,521 --> 00:37:54,190 Yeah, I knew Al Holsick. 958 00:37:54,232 --> 00:37:56,693 Were you aware that from the time of his retirement 959 00:37:56,735 --> 00:37:58,528 until his death two years ago 960 00:37:58,570 --> 00:38:00,739 he was working for the defendant's father 961 00:38:00,780 --> 00:38:04,826 and being paid more than $100,000 a year? 962 00:38:04,868 --> 00:38:07,620 I don't know if I knew that at all. 963 00:38:07,662 --> 00:38:11,541 I kind of lost track when he took retirement. 964 00:38:11,583 --> 00:38:12,709 Were you aware 965 00:38:12,751 --> 00:38:16,212 that it was Alvin Holsick's driver 966 00:38:16,254 --> 00:38:18,298 who removed the murder weapon from the property room? 967 00:38:18,340 --> 00:38:19,424 Objection. Assuming facts 968 00:38:19,466 --> 00:38:20,508 not in evidence. 969 00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:22,093 I'll connect, Judge. 970 00:38:22,135 --> 00:38:24,387 Overruled, subject to connection. 971 00:38:27,390 --> 00:38:29,392 Detective. 972 00:38:31,186 --> 00:38:33,063 I don't know who took it. 973 00:38:35,815 --> 00:38:39,110 All right, Detective, I'm going to ask you a question 974 00:38:39,152 --> 00:38:43,073 and I want you to think about it before you answer 975 00:38:43,114 --> 00:38:44,074 because what you say 976 00:38:44,115 --> 00:38:46,826 will be with you for the rest of your life. 977 00:38:49,412 --> 00:38:51,206 Did Inspector Holsick 978 00:38:51,247 --> 00:38:54,584 interfere with your investigation? 979 00:39:00,340 --> 00:39:03,218 Holsick looked after me. 980 00:39:03,259 --> 00:39:06,554 He said Sarno's not the guy. 981 00:39:06,596 --> 00:39:08,515 I was a little naive. 982 00:39:08,556 --> 00:39:11,393 I said, "I don't know, Inspector, I think maybe he is." 983 00:39:11,434 --> 00:39:14,312 He said, "You're not hearing me, Tommy. 984 00:39:14,354 --> 00:39:15,730 "I'm telling you-- 985 00:39:15,772 --> 00:39:18,316 "Sarno's not the guy 986 00:39:18,358 --> 00:39:21,111 "and as soon as that proves to be the case 987 00:39:21,152 --> 00:39:23,279 you just made yourself First Grade." 988 00:39:24,864 --> 00:39:26,574 And how did you respond? 989 00:39:26,574 --> 00:39:29,119 I said, "What about the evidence?" 990 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,788 He said make sure that the murder weapon 991 00:39:31,830 --> 00:39:34,124 is checked into the property room. 992 00:39:34,165 --> 00:39:35,625 He'd take care of it. 993 00:39:35,667 --> 00:39:37,877 He said Sarno was spreading around enough cash 994 00:39:37,919 --> 00:39:39,629 that whatever's out there 995 00:39:39,671 --> 00:39:42,882 wouldn't bite us. 996 00:39:42,924 --> 00:39:45,301 Did you do what you were told? 997 00:39:45,343 --> 00:39:48,471 I made First Grade, didn't I? 998 00:39:48,513 --> 00:39:52,434 No special pins, nothing on the uniform 999 00:39:52,475 --> 00:39:56,855 just top Lieutenant's pay, and every cop knows. 1000 00:39:56,896 --> 00:39:58,523 My old man, rest his soul 1001 00:39:58,565 --> 00:40:01,901 he looked on First Graders like they walked on water. 1002 00:40:01,943 --> 00:40:03,737 When I got it, I went down 1003 00:40:03,778 --> 00:40:06,156 to the nursing home and I told him. 1004 00:40:06,197 --> 00:40:12,203 I didn't tell him what I had to do to get it. 1005 00:40:12,245 --> 00:40:15,331 That I had to let that murdering son of a bitch go. 1006 00:40:21,838 --> 00:40:25,508 We're prepared to offer a plea of Manslaughter Two. 1007 00:40:25,550 --> 00:40:26,468 Oh? 1008 00:40:26,509 --> 00:40:28,261 As opposed to an acquittal? 1009 00:40:28,303 --> 00:40:30,013 As opposed to giving this case to the jury 1010 00:40:30,055 --> 00:40:31,890 in which case, regardless of the verdict 1011 00:40:31,931 --> 00:40:34,559 we will prosecute Mr. Sarno, Sr. here 1012 00:40:34,601 --> 00:40:36,561 for obstruction of justice 1013 00:40:36,644 --> 00:40:39,356 and conspiracy to obstruct justice. 1014 00:40:39,397 --> 00:40:41,191 Have you lost your mind? 1015 00:40:41,232 --> 00:40:43,276 Peter, Peter, just hang on a second. Do you have any...? 1016 00:40:43,318 --> 00:40:44,986 Let's assume you have more than the say-so 1017 00:40:45,028 --> 00:40:46,488 of this broken-down cop to go on 1018 00:40:46,529 --> 00:40:47,489 which I don't think you do. 1019 00:40:47,530 --> 00:40:49,657 You're talking about something that happened 1020 00:40:49,699 --> 00:40:50,617 20 years ago, Jack. 1021 00:40:50,659 --> 00:40:52,952 Statute of limitations ran out a long time ago. 1022 00:40:52,994 --> 00:40:54,663 Come on. 1023 00:40:54,704 --> 00:40:55,497 We would argue 1024 00:40:55,538 --> 00:40:57,374 that the conspiracy has been ongoing 1025 00:40:57,415 --> 00:40:59,918 and that since Mr. Sarno actively concealed his crime 1026 00:40:59,959 --> 00:41:01,252 the statute of limitations 1027 00:41:01,294 --> 00:41:02,170 does not apply. 1028 00:41:02,212 --> 00:41:04,255 Wrong on the facts, wrong on the law. 1029 00:41:04,297 --> 00:41:06,591 Want to go to court on it? 1030 00:41:06,633 --> 00:41:08,259 And take a chance on the Ambassador 1031 00:41:08,301 --> 00:41:09,219 having an E-felony 1032 00:41:09,260 --> 00:41:10,428 hung around his neck? 1033 00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:11,805 He doesn't deserve that. 1034 00:41:11,846 --> 00:41:13,890 Plead guilty and your father's off the hook. 1035 00:41:13,932 --> 00:41:15,850 But I mean he doesn't deserve it. 1036 00:41:15,892 --> 00:41:17,352 If there was a crime, it was my crime. 1037 00:41:17,394 --> 00:41:18,228 Why would you go after him? 1038 00:41:18,269 --> 00:41:20,271 I'd like to talk to my son privately. 1039 00:41:20,313 --> 00:41:22,232 Like, how much time would I have to spend 1040 00:41:22,273 --> 00:41:23,900 in jail for manslaughter two or whatever it is? 1041 00:41:23,942 --> 00:41:25,568 Did you hear what I said, Michael? 1042 00:41:25,610 --> 00:41:26,903 I'd like to talk to you privately. 1043 00:41:26,945 --> 00:41:28,488 The sentencing recommendation 1044 00:41:28,530 --> 00:41:30,407 would be eight-and- a-third to 12 years. 1045 00:41:30,448 --> 00:41:32,617 Talk to me. Don't talk to him. 1046 00:41:32,659 --> 00:41:34,494 You're not his lawyer, Mr. Sarno. 1047 00:41:34,536 --> 00:41:37,414 That's right, I'm his father. 1048 00:41:37,455 --> 00:41:38,915 He's 39 years old. 1049 00:41:38,957 --> 00:41:40,458 He's also loaded 1050 00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:42,836 or haven't you noticed that yet? 1051 00:41:45,005 --> 00:41:46,423 Michael, is that true? 1052 00:41:47,924 --> 00:41:48,967 I'm fine. 1053 00:41:49,009 --> 00:41:52,929 All right, he can't participate in plea discussions 1054 00:41:52,971 --> 00:41:55,306 if he's intoxicated. Come on. 1055 00:41:55,348 --> 00:41:56,558 Fine. 1056 00:41:56,599 --> 00:42:02,272 We can continue without him or we can resume this tomorrow. 1057 00:42:02,313 --> 00:42:03,440 I'm going to call your boss. 1058 00:42:03,481 --> 00:42:05,567 I'm going to get both of you busted down the ranks. 1059 00:42:05,608 --> 00:42:08,320 You will be lucky if they let you work 1060 00:42:08,361 --> 00:42:10,572 arraignment from the drunk tank on Saturday nights. 1061 00:42:10,613 --> 00:42:11,656 We don't have much 1062 00:42:11,698 --> 00:42:12,490 of a social life as it is. 1063 00:42:12,532 --> 00:42:14,326 Make whatever the arrangements are. 1064 00:42:14,367 --> 00:42:15,452 I'll plead guilty to manslaughter. 1065 00:42:15,493 --> 00:42:16,995 I'm telling you to keep your mouth shut. 1066 00:42:17,037 --> 00:42:18,413 You're a drunk, you're a junkie... 1067 00:42:18,455 --> 00:42:21,333 I'm also a murderer! 1068 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,510 Obviously, we'll need to confirm he's not impaired 1069 00:42:32,552 --> 00:42:34,971 when he enters his plea formally. 1070 00:42:36,890 --> 00:42:39,309 You are going to answer for this. 1071 00:42:40,894 --> 00:42:43,646 As will we all. 1072 00:43:01,790 --> 00:43:04,084 Tommy! 1073 00:43:04,125 --> 00:43:07,003 Tommy, you in there? 1074 00:43:11,424 --> 00:43:13,426 There you are. 1075 00:43:14,594 --> 00:43:18,807 My wife's been after me to fix this thing for a year. 1076 00:43:18,848 --> 00:43:21,393 Well, it's good you finally got around to it. 1077 00:43:21,434 --> 00:43:25,563 Afraid I was going to eat my gun? 1078 00:43:25,605 --> 00:43:28,483 Now why would you do that? 1079 00:43:28,525 --> 00:43:31,778 I disgraced myself. 1080 00:43:31,820 --> 00:43:34,698 Disgraced the job. 1081 00:43:34,739 --> 00:43:36,825 You made a mistake. 1082 00:43:36,866 --> 00:43:40,370 That's not the end of the world. 1083 00:43:44,457 --> 00:43:47,752 I let him go. 1084 00:43:47,794 --> 00:43:52,048 He killed a girl and I let him go. 1085 00:43:52,090 --> 00:43:55,051 So now he's caught. 1086 00:44:00,974 --> 00:44:03,476 You forgive me, Lennie? 1087 00:44:07,439 --> 00:44:09,566 All day long, Tommy. 1088 00:44:09,607 --> 00:44:12,402 All day long. 78010

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