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I'm going to leave now.
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Well, I would wait for the doctor.
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No, I... I think I'm going to leave.
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- I'd stay.
- You can come with me if you like.
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I would stay, Joe, I really would.
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I just want to go and get a bottle of vodka.
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What makes you think you'd like to do that?
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I like the sensation as it goes down my throat.
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And I want to experience that for one last time.
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That's why I'm leaving.
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'I'd been spending time in the world of extreme drinkers...'
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- This is Pieter.
- Pieter, Louis.
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'..getting to know people who consume alcohol, not just to excess
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'but to the point of total oblivion.'
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'My base was King's College Hospital in South London, a haven
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'for patients and families affected by life-threatening alcohol abuse.'
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- There it is.
- There it is. That is vile, isn't it?
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'I was trying to understand the mind-set of people addicted to
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'Britain's favourite drug...
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'and the difficult choices faced by those close to them.'
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- Are you OK? Are you OK?
- Yeah.
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- You're not too wobbly?
- No, I'm fine.
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'At King's A&E, I was with Pieter Swanepoel
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'and his girlfriend, Marianna.'
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How are you doing?
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To be honest, I'm not doing fine.
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- You've started drinking again?
- Yeah.
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He doesn't want to live any more. That's the new idea.
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I didn't want to live any more.
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Yeah.
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You went to South Africa for your dad, for your dad's funeral,
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- that's right, isn't it?
- Yes. Yes.
- Your dad passed away from cancer.
- Yes.
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That must have been very emotional, but you handled it, didn't you?
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And you came back and you were still sober.
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So then what happened after you got back?
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I...
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I don't know how I handled it.
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It's unbelievable.
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How much have you had to drink, Pieter?
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Yes, Louis. I...
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I don't know. How much?
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Have one litre and a half of vodka in 24 hours.
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- One and a half litres of vodka in 24 hours.
- 24 hours.
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I'm sorry, Louis.
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No, you don't need to apologise to me, Pieter.
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I can see that you've been through a lot, and it must be very difficult.
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'Pieter and Marianna had been together three years.
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'For most of the relationship, Pieter had been in a cycle of extreme
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'drinking and recovery.'
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It was on Tuesday that he relapsed, Tuesday evening, that's right?
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Yes, I found him outside almost crying. He said, "I drunk."
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He started freaking out, you know, "I need to buy drink again."
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I said, "Well, why do you need to buy drink?"
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"Because if I don't buy drink now, I'm dying."
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He finished that bottle, bought another one, and then another
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big one, and from there...
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- he keeps carrying on like that.
- How are you feeling?
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Bad. I want to give up.
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Giving up. In what sense?
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In giving up everything. Leaving...
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and going home. Going back home.
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But the problem is, I love him and we've been together three years.
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Can I just let him die for me to be better?
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- Because if I go, he's going to die.
- How do you know that?
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Because rejecting him, that's the worst thing.
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He will just drink until he dies.
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Can I come in?
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- Hi, Louis.
- How's it going?
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You don't need to get up. Make yourself comfortable.
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How are you feeling?
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I'm feeling bad, Louis.
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What was it on Tuesday that got you drinking again?
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Do you remember what it was?
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My dad.
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Remembering your dad?
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It was the sadness of losing your dad.
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I think so, Louis.
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How was your relationship with your dad?
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- Very close.
- You were very close to him?
- Yes.
- He was a good father.
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- He was a Member of Parliament in South Africa.
- Of Parliament?
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- Yes.
- Did he know about your drinking problems?
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- Yes.
- And what did he say about that?
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He said "boetie," meaning "brother" in South African,
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he said, "Just be strong."
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- I love you.
- I know you do.
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I just hope some day we're going to be all right
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and we can have a normal life without all this.
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King's is a way-station for many of South London's addicted drinkers.
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Sorry, Louis.
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My mum was trying to detox me off alcohol
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and I started projectile vomiting.
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- Right.
- Some come here in crisis following prolonged binges.
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Others - now sober - are patients in the liver unit.
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I've been naughty all my life.
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She always tells me to be good, and I don't.
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But I will be good now.
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For those still drinking self-destructively, there's
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a clinical nurse specialist to help break the addiction.
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Come on in.
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Ian Webzell was seeing an out-patient named Aurelie Fonjo.
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- Hi, are you Aurelie?
- Yes, that's right.
- Louis.
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- Nice to meet you.
- How are you?
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Not too bad, but I still have the same problems, the same issues.
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- Tell us about your current drinking, how much are you drinking?
- Well, unfortunately,
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between five to seven cans a day of 8.4 K cider.
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What's the drink? What's it called?
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K cider.
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K cider. How strong is it?
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8.4. Do you want to see it? I've got one in my bag.
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- OK. Is that OK?
- Yeah.
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That's it.
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And to be honest with you, I don't really feel nothing.
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All it does is go on the liver, and that's it.
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- Mm-hmm. It just stabilises you, maintains you.
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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- Tell us about your pattern of drinking.
- The pattern is, I'm 44, I've been drinking
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since I was 13 years old, 14.
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I was brought up in Paris,
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and the first drink was Champagne, I was drinking Champagne.
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And that's a good buzz.
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So, describe how you wake up, how you physically
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and mentally are when you're in withdrawal of alcohol.
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When I wake up, I'm glad I'm alive.
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After, it's like the shakes start, and then
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I start going around like a rat in a cage...until I have my first drink,
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sit down and calm my state of mind. Yeah.
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- Have you ever tried to detox?
- Yeah.
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We done detox five times.
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Ian, you remember times when Aurelie was alcohol-free last year?
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- Last year, you had three weeks alcohol-free, I remember.
- Yeah, yeah.
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How was that? Did you enjoy that?
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I just... It looks like...
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Like I said, you know, you're going to war and you're not winning.
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It's ridiculous.
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I mean, it's not life, it's not a life, really, to be honest.
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Yeah.
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Detoxing from severe alcohol addiction can be extremely dangerous.
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If attempted without medical help, it can lead to seizures and even death.
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It takes most patients about a week.
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At King's, they're supervised by alcohol liaison nurse
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specialist Cathy Smith-Barker.
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She was about to meet Joe Walker, now four days into his detox.
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Hey, Joe. Hey, how are you doing?
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- Hi, Joe. Louis.
- Hi, nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you. How are you doing?
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- I'm OK, how are you?
- Yeah, not too bad.
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How are you feeling?
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- Pretty scared, to be honest.
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
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What of?
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Just life at the moment, really.
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And...
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..I don't want to go back to this.
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Yeah. We still haven't finished detoxing you,
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so I want to reassure you you're not going today.
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Compared to how you were when you first got here,
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how are you feeling physically?
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Better, but I've got to use this walking stick to...
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Do you? Is that just to kind of keep yourself steady?
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- Just to keep myself steady.
- OK, why is that?
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What's happening with your feet or with your legs?
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Well, I don't know, because my legs, you see...
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Are they feeling weak?
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Yeah, that's never happened before.
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- It's, you know, that's quite frightening.
- Yeah.
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What's happened to them?
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I don't know. I don't know.
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Can I just get you to do this?
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Just put your arms out.
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I can see that you're really shaky still.
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I'm just going to feel the palms of your hands.
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- Yeah, you're really sweaty still, aren't you?
- So fucking dangerous.
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So, if you just take a couple of steps forward. Yeah, that's...
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And then come back, you don't need to do any more.
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Yeah, that's definitely ataxia.
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- You'd been drinking a lot before you came in, that's right, isn't it?
- Yeah.
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How much, and for how long?
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From...
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a couple of weeks. No, months probably.
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And it had been, like, started off with a bottle of vodka a day,
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and then it went up to two bottles of vodka a day.
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Were you working alongside the drinking?
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No. I had basically given up work by that point.
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I just walked out and...
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What kind of work was it?
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I was working at King's College, in medical education,
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and I didn't get a job that I wanted.
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And I can't take rejection, so alongside that
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and a break-up, I just thought,
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"Sod it," and went for it.
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How is your support network? Have you had visitors
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since you've been in here?
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No, no-one. No-one's come.
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But I think I must have collapsed in the street
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and a stranger thought, "You need to go to A&E."
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The reason I stayed in A&E was
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because I really, actually, wanted to recover.
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I thought I was drinking myself to death and there was something in me
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that I didn't want,
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I didn't want...
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I didn't want to die, basically.
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Not "quite", I didn't want to die.
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Clearly he's, you know, in a sense, at a fork in the road
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and he either keeps on drinking
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or he stops and has a healthy life.
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Can you...?
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Have you any way of telling
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which way he's likely to go
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and what will lead to him going one way or the other?
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Joe has had four-and-a-half years of being abstinent,
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so I think he's in with a very good chance of recovery, actually,
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because he knows that he's got it in him to do it.
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I'd headed out of the hospital
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to see a little more of the home life
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of one of the drinkers I'd met.
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Aurelie lives in a council flat in Brixton.
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Nice to see you.
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Nice to see you as well, Louis.
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It's really messy.
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My place is really messy, so I tell you in advance.
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It's not too bad.
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Thanks for having us.
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You're welcome.
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How are you feeling today?
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I'm not too bad, I can breathe.
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- I take it you've had a drink already?
- Of course, yeah.
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- How many?
- So far, one.
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And one... And this is not finished.
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- Yeah.
- One-and-a-half.
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One-and-a-half, yeah, that's it.
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- How are you feeling? Good?
- I'm feeling stable.
- Yeah.
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Stable.
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Would you like to show me anything that you have that...
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is important to you?
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This, I believe, it will be in a registry office.
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- Is that your dad?
- My dad, yeah.
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- And your...?
- Step-mum.
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So, your dad and your birth mother were never married?
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I wouldn't think so, no.
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- As far as you know.
- Yeah.
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So, she took off quite early.
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I believe so, yeah.
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Do you remember that wedding?
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No.
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How old would you have been then?
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Quite young, yeah. Five.
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I must have been in children's home,
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because I was in a children's home for some time.
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How long did you spend in the children's home?
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Oh, we're talking a good...
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four or five years.
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- Really?
- Yeah, up and down. Yeah.
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- When I was...
- So, you're half-Cameroonian?
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Yeah. And half from Brittany.
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- And half-Breton.
- Yeah.
- Breton.
- Breton.
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Oh, you speak...
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Your French, for an Englishman, is very impressive.
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Merci beaucoup.
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Je sais.
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I used to teach French a little bit privately,
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but I was getting too drunk, I couldn't do it.
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I was going there, I was paralytic.
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- Oh, dear.
- Paralytic. I was trying to...
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For the lessons?
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Yeah, yeah, I was paralytic.
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How's the taste?
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The taste is becoming more and more disgusting.
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It's tasting like...
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petrol or something.
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To be honest with you, I don't even like the taste of alcohol any more.
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I take it because I don't want to be sick in a nasty way.
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What was the last time you were admitted to hospital?
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Not that long ago, for bleeding.
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Bleeding where?
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- The back passage.
- Oh, that sounds nasty.
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It was quite annoying, to be honest, but...
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- Scary.
- Yeah.
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Scary - I don't get scared any more because, at the end of the day,
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scared about what? You know?
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You get what you deserve, you know what I'm saying?
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I need to stop at the off-licence.
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Aurelie had offered to introduce me to her boyfriend, Gary.
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They had been together three weeks.
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How come you've got a K and a Strongbow?
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Because, the other one, I give him a drink as well.
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- Who?
- The boyfriend.
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And he doesn't like K?
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No, no, no.
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It's only big addicts that like K - like me, yeah.
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Look out.
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OK.
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Oh, he's here. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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- You've found him?
- He's coming.
291
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Here he is. How are you doing? Louis.
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- Louis, nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you.
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We're just doing a little documentary
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based mainly in King's College Hospital,
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and that's where we met Aurelie.
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OK. I'll give you ten questions on whatever you want to do
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- and then I'm going to leave you, yeah?
- Ten questions.
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Well, let's have a conversation
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- and then you leave when you feel like it.
- All right, all right.
300
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- How are you doing?
- Me, I'm doing fine, thank you very much. Yeah.
301
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Do you think you drink too much?
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- I know I drink too much.
- Go on.
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I drink too much because I want to blank things out
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- in my life, you know?
- Like what?
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Like relationships,
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kids I can't see no more - because I lost them through the alcohol -
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and everything else -
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like jobs, circumstances, houses.
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I used to be rich but now I'm poor.
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How much do you drink?
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I'd say eight to 12 cans of lager a day, minimum.
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If that's... That's on a good day.
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If you want to go and party, we're going 24.
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Vodkas. I would say I worked all weekend though.
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I'm an alcoholic that don't sign on and ponce off the streets.
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You look...
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If I may say so, you look healthy.
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I mean, do you feel healthy in yourself, physically?
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Yeah. I think I am, yeah.
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For a 40-year-old guy, I think I'm really good. Yeah.
321
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I'm not looking like an alcoholic like her.
322
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Look, she's given up. I have not given up.
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I think the beer... I think I can win.
324
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I think I can beat the beer. I think I can beat the alcohol.
325
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I think I can do anything I want.
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I don't sign on, I don't go to the doctor's.
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What makes you say...?
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Sorry, Gary. What makes you say that Aurelie has given up?
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She says she can't wake up for work
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cos she feels ill if she goes to walk the dog.
331
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She needs K cider every day. Yeah, she does.
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I don't need that.
333
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I just wake up and I go,
334
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and she knows that. Yes or no?
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Yes.
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She's just got the can and her dog. Her boyfriend, Romeo.
337
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- That's all she's got.
- Romeo's the dog?
- Yes.
- Yeah, my dog.
338
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Well, I don't... That sounds a bit unkind.
339
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- Yeah, you are a bit unkind towards me.
- Well, it's the truth.
340
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It's a bit offensive when he says like,
341
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- "Look at her, she looks like a real..."
- You are an alcoholic.
342
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Yeah, but if you see me,
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would you notice straight on the spot that I'm an alcoholic?
344
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- No.
- No, of course not.
345
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Usually, I get nice girls with nice tits
346
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and nice body on a night out, yeah?
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Now I'm dumped with that.
348
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- OK. I'm off...
- I'm joking. I'm...
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I'm off, I'm off, I'm off.
350
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- I'm joking. Aurelie!
- No, thank you.
351
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- Give me a kiss, come here.
- No.
- I'm joking, Aurelie.
352
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It's true. Look at the state of it.
353
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- I think you've really hurt her feelings, I think.
- Fuck her.
354
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It's true, though.
355
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I don't love her.
356
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She don't love me.
357
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- Well...
- Ask me a question...
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I'll tell her straight. Sorry, Aurelie, I was joking.
359
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Come here, come here, come here. Aurelie! I love you, I'm joking.
360
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I just told the camera I love you.
361
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Look, "I love you, Aurelie." Look, yeah?
362
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It's the drink talking, isn't it? Yeah.
363
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- The drink or the flat talking.
- Oh, yeah, here she is.
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Here she is, here she is.
365
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OK, we've got her back, yeah.
366
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You love talking to the camera, don't you?
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I love every...
368
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I love being nice to you.
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I said I'd do that, and now I've done it though.
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- I appreciate it.
- Any more questions?
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Is there anything you wanted to say while Gary was here?
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Yes. Erm...
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No.
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- Do you want to see me go?
- No, I don't.
- Do you want to see me go?
- No.
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That's another thing that alcohol does, yeah?
376
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You ain't seen the other part of it.
377
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- Look, are they watching?
- Don't be like that.
378
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Get my fucking stuff off me now.
379
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- We're going to...
- Get this off me now or I'll ruin you.
- He's coming.
380
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- Gary, what is wrong?
- He's coming.
381
00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,040
It looks like I'm interested in losers,
382
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the one that is going to take me nowhere at all.
383
00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:23,240
It looks like that's my favourite choice, you know.
384
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It can't be good for your self-esteem
385
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if he talks like that about you.
386
00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,120
Yeah, yeah.
387
00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:31,880
How does it make you feel
388
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when you see people like me
389
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or who's suffering with alcohol?
390
00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,160
How do you feel about that?
391
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Erm...
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I think you deserve a better life.
393
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Don't you?
394
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Hi there, Pieter.
395
00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,200
'Pieter was coming to the end of his detox.'
396
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:17,440
- Hi, Louis.
- Hi, Pieter.
397
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'I'd come by for a catch-up.'
398
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,040
- Good to see you.
- Yes.
- You're looking perky.
399
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How are you feeling?
400
00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,000
I feel all right.
401
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,560
- You look a lot better than when I last saw you.
- Oh, yes.
402
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,640
Do you know, Cathy, what the situation is medically with Pieter?
403
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,600
- Well, I mean, Pieter's fit for discharge.
- Yeah.
404
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,080
His liver is looking in relatively good shape.
405
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,120
So, medically, Pieter's sort of...
406
00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:42,320
hitherto, kind of got away with it?
407
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,000
Well, yes and no.
408
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,400
If, over time, he continues
409
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to relapse/detox, relapse/detox,
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his liver will eventually become damaged.
411
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,760
Did you hear...? What she said was very important, I think.
412
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,000
- Yeah.
- What Cathy just said.
413
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,800
- Did you hear that, Pieter?
- Oh, yeah.
414
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,920
It's not a good pattern to get into,
415
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,800
to fall into - detox/retox.
416
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:02,120
No, not at all.
417
00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:04,480
I hope that I don't have to see you again any time soon.
418
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,200
- OK. Me as well.
- Good luck.
419
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:07,920
- OK, thanks.
- OK, see you later.
420
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,760
He seems really well, but the obvious question is -
421
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is he going to be back?
422
00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:17,480
Will it happen again?
423
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Well, it's likely, statistically.
424
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:21,720
- Is it?
- Yeah.
425
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,880
He has the added stress and distress
426
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,600
of having to cope with the loss of his dad now as well.
427
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,080
He's very personable.
428
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:30,360
Yeah. He's bright, clearly.
429
00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:33,400
- He's a bright, nice, regular, easy-going guy...
- Yeah.
430
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,160
- ..and yet he's got this thing that he's grappling with.
- Yeah.
431
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,480
I'm just wondering how sustainable is it for him
432
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,400
to keep cycling through these relapses and detoxes
433
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and, at the same time, kind of, lead a normal life?
434
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,960
Well, I mean, over time, it will become less and less sustainable.
435
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,840
One's repertoire narrows and narrows, and narrows,
436
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,040
to the point that alcohol is just the thing that you do.
437
00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:00,080
It's the way that you cope with all adversity and it's your companion.
438
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,200
The logical end point to alcohol dependence
439
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,680
is the person sitting on their own
440
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,040
in a room with a bottle
441
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,080
and nobody else left around them.
442
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,600
'I was curious how addiction
443
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,160
'had affected Pieter's relationship with Marianna.'
444
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:23,760
- Pieter.
- Hey.
445
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,400
'I'd arranged to visit them at home,
446
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'a rented room a couple of miles from the hospital.'
447
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,200
How did you meet, the two of you?
448
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,360
We worked together in the same place.
449
00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:33,960
- In the same workplace?
- Yes.
450
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,520
And what was it that, sort of, worked between you to begin with?
451
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,760
Pieter, I think, is the kindest person I've met in my life.
452
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,640
He can be funny, really funny.
453
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,640
I had a good laugh with him at the beginning, a really good laugh.
454
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So, what else do you need?
455
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,760
What did you know about Pieter's drinking when you got together?
456
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,440
- Honest?
- Hmm.
457
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,520
- Nothing.
- You didn't realise?
458
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,680
No. I...
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I was abstinent.
460
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:01,680
- I had...
- At that time.
- Yes.
- Yes.
461
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:06,800
I thought, actually, I finally found somebody who doesn't drink,
462
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,560
- to be really honest.
- Yeah.
463
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,960
She went on holiday
464
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:13,640
and I lapsed.
465
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,880
I didn't know why he doesn't answer the phone,
466
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,400
why he doesn't want to talk to me, why he's avoiding me -
467
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,480
and, eventually, I found out.
468
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,200
How long had you been together at this point?
469
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A few months. I knew his history, so I thought,
470
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"Maybe it's just an episode, he's lonely."
471
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,440
His history - meaning what?
472
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:31,720
- Divorce.
- The divorce, yeah.
473
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,240
I don't know how much should I say.
474
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,600
You took the divorce very hard?
475
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Really hard.
476
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,520
After that, I just spiralled down.
477
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,800
- Drinking?
- Yeah.
478
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,760
Pieter can't handle stress at all.
479
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,200
So, maybe something happens at work that stresses you out.
480
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,560
I mean, is that a plausible scenario?
481
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,560
Yes, Louis, but there's...
482
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,880
For me, there's a couple of triggers.
483
00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,600
Work is one.
484
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Now, recently, my dad.
485
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,240
Plus our housing situation.
486
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,240
It must be quite distressing for you to watch, Marianna.
487
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:08,800
Oh, it is.
488
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,760
He's not violent. He doesn't do anything.
489
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,720
He just lies here with the bottle and keep on drinking, that's it.
490
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,520
I have to feed him, yes.
491
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,200
I have to wake him up.
492
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"Come on, drink some water.
493
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,320
"Come on, eat something."
494
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,000
So, it's 24-hour care job.
495
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,520
It feels like Marianna's got a lot of insight into...
496
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,280
who you are.
497
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:30,600
Oh, yeah.
498
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:31,920
Maybe more than you do.
499
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,560
Fair enough.
500
00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:58,760
Joe, the young man I'd met,
501
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,240
was also back home in his South London house-share.
502
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,600
Hi, Joe, how are you doing?
503
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,720
'I'd been struck that, unlike Pieter,
504
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,320
'he hadn't been visited by family in hospital.
505
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,040
'I knew his mum had also struggled with alcohol
506
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,160
'and died when he was a child.
507
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,920
'His dad, now remarried, lived in Brighton.
508
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,280
'With his support network stretched thin,
509
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,240
'I wondered how he was bearing up.'
510
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,920
- You're looking well.
- Thanks.
511
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,360
Are you feeling OK?
512
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:29,120
Physically, yeah.
513
00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:30,320
Yeah, pretty much.
514
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,080
You're basically staying alcohol-free.
515
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,120
- Alcohol-free, yeah.
- No cravings?
516
00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:36,720
Not for alcohol.
517
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,720
- Sweeties.
- Sweeties. Really?
- Yeah.
518
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,040
- Can we look at some of your photos?
- Yeah, sure.
519
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,640
So, this was at Royal Ascot last year.
520
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,040
This was on my 30th birthday with a friend.
521
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,360
How old are you now, again?
522
00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:50,440
I was 32 yesterday.
523
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,160
Oh, you just had your birthday.
524
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:53,600
I had my birthday yesterday.
525
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,160
What did you do for your birthday?
526
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,240
- Went out for dinner...
- With?
- ..with friends.
527
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:58,840
- How was that?
- That was really nice.
528
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,560
It was lovely, actually. It was amazing.
529
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,760
Some of whom, I hadn't seen since, you know...
530
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,880
I went in to this, kind of, awful place.
531
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,920
That was when I was at school, 16.
532
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,920
That was when I was in Guys And Dolls.
533
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,640
That's Guy Masterson.
534
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,000
Is that the Marlon Brando or...?
535
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,440
That's Marlon Brando as the hero.
536
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,640
- Right. Luck Be A Lady?
- Yeah, that's the one.
537
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,240
- Did you have to sing that?
- I did have to sing Luck Be A Lady.
538
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:21,440
- Really?
- Yeah.
539
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,120
Yeah, that's the one.
540
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,040
Do you know, that was probably my favourite time of my life actually,
541
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,280
- that final year.
- Was it?
542
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:44,720
So, this was a collage I made of a trip to Australia.
543
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,720
I was with my girlfriend at the time,
544
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,120
and I was out pissing it up too much, really,
545
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:51,520
and was pretty horrible to her, frankly.
546
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,720
I remember, after that, thinking,
547
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,160
"I definitely, definitely don't ever want to drink again
548
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,680
"because I don't want to put someone through that again."
549
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,800
Have you ever, sort of, drunk on an even keel,
550
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,280
in a normal social way for any period of time?
551
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,520
I haven't always been round-the-clock drinking
552
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,400
- or anything like that.
- Right.
- No, absolutely not.
553
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,480
It's something that, kind of, crept up.
554
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,680
So, really, it's only been a couple of contained episodes...
555
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,040
Episodes.
556
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,160
..of absolutely crazed,
557
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,880
self-annihilating drinking.
558
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,400
Yeah, that's right.
559
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:23,720
Yeah.
560
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,480
You know, with a big chunk of nothing at all in the middle.
561
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,920
I thought, "I'm a bit older, I'm in a different space,
562
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,680
"I want to drink for different reasons.
563
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,000
"I don't want to go mad, crazy partying and...
564
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,400
"I just want to have a couple of glasses of wine on a date or..."
565
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,040
- You know?
- Mm-hmm. What was the sign that it was out of control?
566
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,480
When I went off...
567
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,640
I couldn't go to work any more because I knew I had to drink.
568
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,120
Right. Drinking in here...
569
00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:52,000
Yeah, drinking in here, just in bed.
570
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,480
- From the bottle?
- From the bottle, yeah. Yeah.
571
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,720
It's quite weird, isn't it?
572
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,680
It's just hard to see you in that state.
573
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,360
It is quite weird, but it's oblivion.
574
00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:02,320
Smashing my head open and...
575
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:03,920
You know. Yeah.
576
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,840
Is that the bloodstains over there?
577
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,960
That is actually the remaining bloodstains.
578
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,080
I know that I should probably get rid of them,
579
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,160
but there's something slightly...
580
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,520
..perversely shocking about it
581
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,880
that, kind of, makes it worth it for the time being.
582
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,320
A helpful reminder.
583
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,040
Well, it is, actually.
584
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,280
I haven't wanted to drink since I came out of hospital,
585
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:26,360
but...
586
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,280
..I'm actually quite...
587
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,880
..clear, from my own experience,
588
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,200
how quickly it can just change, like that.
589
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,160
For those drinkers who have been abusing alcohol for years
590
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,480
and are showing signs of liver damage,
591
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,120
there are weekly clinics.
592
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,880
So, Stuart, how are you?
593
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,080
I'm...
594
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,720
filling up again, like a balloon.
595
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,920
Dr Debbie Shawcross was seeing antiques dealer Stuart Duggan
596
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,280
and his girlfriend, Deborah.
597
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,600
So, are you able to undo your shirt or lift it up?
598
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,240
Well, there it is,
599
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,680
and I'm going to do this - reveal it.
600
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,480
Now...
601
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,720
- There it is.
- There it is.
- There it is.
602
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:20,880
That is vile, isn't it?
603
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,280
I wouldn't go that far.
604
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,120
- It's quite big.
- It's big.
605
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,840
So, you've got a lot of fluid there, haven't you?
606
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,400
Ten litres.
607
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,160
Just in the abdominal cavity, sloshing around?
608
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,480
- Yes, so it's between the...
- It's not in the stomach?
609
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,760
No, it's between the lining of the peritoneum
610
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,400
and the skin filters the blood.
611
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,040
I am paying the price for drinking, basically.
612
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,080
I've got liquid everywhere...
613
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,600
and nothing to drink.
614
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,720
So, Stuart, you have liver disease.
615
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,000
- Cirrhosis.
- Cirrhosis of the liver.
- Yeah.
616
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,160
Because I drank a lot.
617
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,800
How much?
618
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,240
Oh, God.
619
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,440
I might drink four or five pints of strong lager then go home,
620
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,000
start cooking.
621
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,720
It's quite easy, bottle of wine.
622
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,880
Second bottle, you know.
623
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,320
Really?
624
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:11,840
It's not that shocking, actually.
625
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,360
A lot of people drink four or five pints of lager a day.
626
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,240
- That bit, I wasn't shocked by.
- No.
627
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,600
That... I would drink four or five pints of lager,
628
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,960
or I might drink a bottle and a half,
629
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,760
maybe even two bottles of wine...
630
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,560
- There you go.
- ..in an afternoon, evening.
631
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,400
I wouldn't do both, I don't think.
632
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,680
Well, yeah, OK.
633
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,040
I was.
634
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,000
And I was warned...
635
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,800
by doctors, years ago,
636
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,600
that I should stop drinking,
637
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,320
as everyone is warned.
638
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,920
You know, but you just turn a blind eye to it.
639
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,160
Deborah, how long have you been with Stuart?
640
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,240
- 13 years.
- 13 years.
641
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,640
Had you spoken to him about his drinking?
642
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,480
- Yes, lots.
- Every day.
643
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,920
So, at what point did you stop drinking?
644
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,160
As soon as...
645
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,320
You went into A&E.
646
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:02,840
As soon as I went into...
647
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,680
I didn't need AA, I went to A&E.
648
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,520
I was very ill at one time.
649
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,080
I felt, like, really ill.
650
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,680
Well, you were in intensive care, weren't you, for a few days?
651
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,200
Yeah, I went in intensive care. That was horrible.
652
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,000
What many patients with liver disease develop
653
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:22,480
are effectively varicose veins in their gullet and in their stomach.
654
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,440
They can just burst, just like that.
655
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,080
They can rupture...
656
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,760
and when that happens,
657
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,120
you start vomiting huge amounts of fresh red blood.
658
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,760
When I say what's wrong with me, I sound terribly ill.
659
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,880
I don't feel terribly ill,
660
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,400
but it does sound bad, doesn't it?
661
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:41,960
But I think you are...
662
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,720
You know, I think if we have a very honest conversation, Stuart,
663
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,160
you are terribly ill, because..
664
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,280
What's the life expectancy of somebody like me?
665
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:49,680
Have you not asked that yet?
666
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,960
I'm imagining you've already talked about that with Dr Shawcross.
667
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,280
I've talked to other patients and it's not good.
668
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,320
So, if I do a particular score,
669
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,240
called the Meld Score, it's 22.
670
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,520
If we had a whole group of people
671
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,720
with a score of 22,
672
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,080
76% of that group
673
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,160
wouldn't actually last three months with that score.
674
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,040
- OK.
- That's...
675
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,720
Now, that's just a group of people,
676
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,040
it doesn't necessarily mean that's you.
677
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,320
- That's the kind of ballpark.
- Three months?
678
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,720
And if you were drinking,
679
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,160
I don't think you'd be with us in three months' time.
680
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,280
I'd be sending you off to go and make your will.
681
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,280
Well, three months is not very much, is it? I won't hit Christmas.
682
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,640
That's the worst-case scenario, but that's potentially...
683
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,800
It's tough, Stuart, it really is.
684
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,160
So, on the bright side...
685
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,080
- ..I'm still here.
- You're still here -
686
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,120
because many other people in your condition
687
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,280
wouldn't even have made it to this point, Stuart.
688
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,160
I think that's the important thing to think about.
689
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,720
Here he is.
690
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,160
The man of the hour.
691
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,800
'A little later, I caught up with Stuart as he was being drained.'
692
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,240
Could you do me a favour?
693
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,280
Of course.
694
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,360
- Put it on the floor...
- Put it on the floor?
695
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:07,520
..and watch it now.
696
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,400
He's forgotten to put it on the floor, easy done. Don't worry.
697
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:11,640
Are you all right?
698
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,080
It goes on the floor,
699
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,320
gravity does its job.
700
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,000
I can give that a little wiggle
701
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,480
and that'll start coming out a bit quicker.
702
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,840
How are you after that?
703
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,080
That meeting?
704
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,840
They have to give you...
705
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,160
After what?
706
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,760
The meeting with...
707
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,240
The three-month thing, I was a bit confused about
708
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,040
and a little bit shocked.
709
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,560
How were you confused by it?
710
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,000
I mean, I don't believe I've only got three months to live,
711
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,400
there you go.
712
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,680
And if I ask another doctor, they'd go, "No."
713
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,080
She didn't say you had three months to live. No.
714
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,200
- That's not what she said.
- No, exactly.
715
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,400
She said that...
716
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,120
76% of people...
717
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,520
..in your condition...
718
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,880
- ..would have three months to live.
- Yeah.
719
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,080
So, the 24%...
720
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,760
- Would live longer.
- ..would live longer.
721
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,680
I must be in the 24%.
722
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,240
It's a pretty bad picture but, like, you know,
723
00:34:11,240 --> 00:34:13,000
trying to...
724
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,360
give it a bit of colour.
725
00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:17,960
That looks full now.
726
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,200
There you go.
727
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,160
- Shoot that.
- What happens now?
728
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,520
You'll have to empty it.
729
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:23,760
I'm happy to.
730
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,520
Is it, basically, urine?
731
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,600
- No.
- No.
- I didn't think so. It's just fluid.
732
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,320
- It looks like it, doesn't it?
- I know.
733
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,080
- Does it smell like urine?
- No.
734
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:38,400
Do you want to smell it?
735
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,840
It actually doesn't really smell of anything.
736
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,280
It's got a nice head on it.
737
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,800
- Can you see it's gone down already?
- Yeah.
738
00:34:53,240 --> 00:34:55,640
You look like you've just seen the Grim Reaper.
739
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,960
Well, it was a lot to take in, wasn't it?
740
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,480
Come on.
741
00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:04,880
He always does this.
742
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,880
- Hello.
- Hello. How are you?
- Not too bad at all.
743
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,760
'Aurelie was back at hospital.'
744
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,160
- Hi, Aurelie, how are you doing?
- Yeah, still all right.
745
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,240
'A test had shown signs of serious damage to her liver.
746
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:33,400
'She'd been referred to one of King's top liver specialists,
747
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,840
'Professor John O'Grady.'
748
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,640
This is your gamma GT.
749
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,440
This is absolutely astronomical - around 3,000.
750
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,360
Is that about as high as it can go?
751
00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:46,920
That's territory...
752
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,400
Yes, that's of the extremes.
753
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,840
Your spleen is getting bigger in size,
754
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,480
telling us your liver is moving on
755
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,680
to another stage of disease.
756
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,360
Your pancreas is swollen on the scan,
757
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,880
which may be why you're having problems with digestion.
758
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,160
You know, your health is progressively deteriorating.
759
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,520
I'm thinking that,
760
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,960
when you come to a certain level of alcohol use,
761
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,880
your tolerance is getting higher and higher
762
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,520
and you don't feel like you're drunk at all.
763
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,600
You feel fine.
764
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,160
You do.
765
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,280
And you think you're coping.
766
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,320
- Well, you feel all right, yeah.
- You feel all right.
767
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:34,880
But then, very quickly,
768
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,480
you start losing that tolerance
769
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,600
and the reason you start losing that tolerance
770
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,320
is your liver is no longer able to deal
771
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,160
with the burden of all the alcohol.
772
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,120
The liver is the most forgiving organ in the body...
773
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,200
..if you treat it well.
774
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:55,960
I eat vegetables.
775
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,640
I'm struggling to see a way forward...
776
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,560
So do I. Yeah.
777
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:03,840
..because...
778
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,400
..most of the strategies we can talk about -
779
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,840
your health, your liver tests -
780
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,520
it's old...
781
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,360
news to you.
782
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:14,520
Mm-hmm.
783
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,200
It's like reading the newspaper or something.
784
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,040
You're not, in a sense, responding to it in the way...
785
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,840
I think you've gone beyond...
786
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,400
Has it gone beyond caring or gone beyond...?
787
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,400
Beyond hearing.
788
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,160
Hearing or caring.
789
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,280
Yeah, I can't hear what I hear.
790
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,720
Or I decide not to hear it.
791
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,720
I'm surprised I'm still alive anyway.
792
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,800
That's the comment that worries me...
793
00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:51,480
..because you are looking to the end,
794
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,360
you're looking to the point of death.
795
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,760
That's as far as your thinking seems to go.
796
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,680
Do you see any way out of this?
797
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:06,720
A miracle.
798
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,520
A miracle.
799
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,240
Do you believe in miracles?
800
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:15,760
Yes.
801
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,240
I was now several weeks into filming.
802
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:33,800
Rather than judging them as people who've made bad choices,
803
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,640
I'd come to see those in the grips of alcohol addiction
804
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,760
as suffering from deeper emotional issues -
805
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,120
taking life's setbacks too hard
806
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,800
and attempting to numb themselves with drink.
807
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,240
Endangering their own lives,
808
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:52,160
they pose a challenge for those around them as to how best to help,
809
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:53,760
how to break through
810
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,520
and when to walk away.
811
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,040
I'd been called to the hospital.
812
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,800
Joe, my fellow Guys And Dolls enthusiast, was in crisis.
813
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,280
Having relapsed and been kicked out of his flat,
814
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,520
he'd been going in and out of A&E in a chaotic state,
815
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,320
demanding, and then rejecting, the staff's help.
816
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:27,760
Joe.
817
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:28,880
Oh!
818
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,600
- Joe.
- What?
819
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,640
Do you remember me from earlier? I'm a doctor.
820
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,720
I was in the cubicle with you. Do you remember?
821
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:35,840
Give you a light there.
822
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,400
Sorry.
823
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:38,880
Why have you come out here?
824
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,240
To get a cigarette?
825
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:41,800
Yeah, just to have a fag.
826
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,920
- Do you want me to...?
- Oh, Tom.
827
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,080
How are you doing, Joe?
828
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:47,600
- Do you remember me?
- Oh, Louis.
829
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,360
- How's it going?
- Hello.
830
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,360
How's it going?
831
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,040
Well, not well obviously.
832
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,600
Yeah, you're looking like you're a bit fragile.
833
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,640
- Had a few drinks?
- Yeah.
834
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,920
You went on a bit of a bender from what I can hear?
835
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,280
Yeah.
836
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,000
Really bad, bad. Eh?
837
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,400
- Are you OK?
- Yeah.
838
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,000
What have you been drinking?
839
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,520
Vodka.
840
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:21,440
You've actually been to see us now three times in the last 24 hours.
841
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,800
What are you hoping that we might be able to do both, sort of,
842
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,160
now, today, and over the next few weeks?
843
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,120
Detox me.
844
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,880
OK. So, you feel like you're ready for detox?
845
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,200
Yeah.
846
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,400
OK.
847
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:38,800
I'm really sorry, Joe.
848
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,160
I'm really sorry to see you this way.
849
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,720
I'm sorry to be this way.
850
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,440
You were doing really well when we saw you.
851
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,840
I was, wasn't I?
852
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,920
But I don't want it.
853
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:01,800
I just don't want it.
854
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,320
I don't want it at all.
855
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,160
What don't you want?
856
00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:08,880
To be a drunk.
857
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,600
So, what is the likely scenario at this point?
858
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:20,120
He'll remain here until he's sober and safe to be discharged.
859
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,640
He'll have a conversation and be offered some support
860
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,280
from the alcohol support services,
861
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,840
but he probably won't be admitted...
862
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:31,840
unless he very rapidly goes into very acute withdrawal.
863
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,080
- Could he even be discharged later today, do you think?
- He might be.
864
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,120
Yeah, he might be.
865
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,280
He's got no support network, that's the thing.
866
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,280
You know - in terms of family, friends.
867
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,280
They're just...
868
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,680
I think, a bit exasperated.
869
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,680
- Yeah, and you could see why they might be.
- Yeah.
870
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:51,720
But...
871
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,160
..you know, whose responsibility is it to care for him?
872
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,240
Is it his family? Is it friends?
873
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:03,360
Is it us? Is it him?
874
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,640
It's tricky.
875
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,320
Can I have some Lucozade?
876
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,920
- Lucozade?
- Yeah.
- I'll see if I can get you some.
877
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,440
Does it have to be Lucozade
878
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,000
or can it be any kind of soft drink?
879
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,520
No, Luco..
880
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:18,560
Lucozade.
881
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:29,560
Lucozade.
882
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,160
- Thank you.
- You're welcome.
883
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,520
How are you feeling?
884
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,560
I'm withdrawing...
885
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,000
very heavily.
886
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,880
What does it feel like?
887
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,520
Like I'm dying as a person.
888
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,200
Yeah.
889
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:01,840
Do you remember what it was that triggered you
890
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,280
to start drinking again?
891
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,720
It was my ex.
892
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,840
She wouldn't talk to me.
893
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:11,720
Your girlfriend?
894
00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:14,120
The most beautiful girl I've ever seen...
895
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:21,680
Do you want some Lucozade?
896
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,240
No, I want...
897
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:25,600
I just want...
898
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,320
I thought I was recovering, Louis.
899
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,720
Well, you were recovering and you'll recover again.
900
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:42,640
You can get back on track.
901
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,680
No, I can't.
902
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,880
I think this is the endgame.
903
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,920
No, it's not endgame.
904
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,920
You were, what, four years sober?
905
00:43:58,600 --> 00:43:59,760
You must hate me.
906
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,360
What? No, that's... No, no.
907
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:04,720
What a strange thing to say.
908
00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:06,760
- Do you like me?
- Of course I like you.
909
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,160
But I'm a pain in the arse.
910
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:13,480
Not at all.
911
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,480
I wanted to come and have a chat with you.
912
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,600
My feeling is - and Cathy feels this as well,
913
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:21,800
having met you before -
914
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,160
- is that this is an acute crisis for you, really.
- It is.
915
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,320
- This is quite bad, isn't it?
- It's really dreadful.
916
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,080
And what we probably should do is
917
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:29,800
arrange for you to be admitted
918
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,200
to have detox as an in-patient -
919
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,960
- so, to stay in hospital.
- OK.
920
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,200
We can't keep doing this, though.
921
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,280
No, I understand that.
922
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,600
So, we really, really hope that on this occasion...
923
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,720
This is a real exception.
924
00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:45,200
It's actually, sort of,
925
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,600
quite neurologically dangerous, Joe, to keep on detoxing someone.
926
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,640
We might end up harming you more -
927
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,880
- but, obviously, we're very happy to help this time round...
- Thank you.
928
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,240
- ..but just please take that on board...
- Thank you.
929
00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:58,760
..and have a think about what you need to do afterwards.
930
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,560
- Thank you.
- See you later.
- Bye, Cathy.
- Thanks.
931
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,240
I know you're not a medic
932
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:12,320
but, like...
933
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,520
I just want to go
934
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,400
and get a bottle of vodka.
935
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,280
I'll drink it down the road.
936
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,440
Ah.
937
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,000
Do you remember?
938
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,360
They're detoxing you, so...
939
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:29,760
Yeah, I do know that.
940
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,080
So, for you to go...
941
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:36,080
Like 250 mils of vodka.
942
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,000
I would stay, Joe, I really would.
943
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,040
Nah, I'm heading off.
944
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:45,960
I wouldn't go, Joe, honestly.
945
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,280
Where is it that you're keen to get to?
946
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,000
I just want to, basically,
947
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,360
buy a bottle of vodka and go to...
948
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:54,560
I don't know.
949
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,160
..Ruskin Park or something.
950
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:58,720
What, and drink the vodka?
951
00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:00,040
- Yeah.
- Why?
952
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,560
Drink the vodka and sleep there.
953
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:02,600
Why?
954
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:06,440
If feels easier than staying here.
955
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,080
That's why I'm leaving.
956
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,920
Joe! Joe! Joe!
957
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,240
Joe, come on.
958
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:24,440
Can you come back to your cubicle now?
959
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,880
But I want to go and buy a drink.
960
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,680
I know, but let's just finish doing what we're doing here.
961
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,640
Come on. I'll go and see what's happening, OK?
962
00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:40,000
OK, I'm going to get that bottle of vodka.
963
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,000
Joe, shall we just wait for the medical...?
964
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:55,800
No, no, don't you run off.
965
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,800
OK, so he's basically gone to get more alcohol.
966
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,840
We want to offer detox to patients
967
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,040
who are going to engage and stay, and really want it -
968
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,880
and I'm not convinced that he's in that place at the moment.
969
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,560
It's also this weird thing of, when you're around him,
970
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:17,440
somehow you get sucked into this vortex of wanting to help,
971
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,240
but also not wanting to, kind of, mother him.
972
00:47:21,240 --> 00:47:23,200
Do you know what I mean?
973
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,440
He's looking somewhere for support
974
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,520
and to be looked after,
975
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,000
and it's tricky.
976
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,720
So, now I have to decide whether we need to call the police
977
00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:37,080
to try and get him back in.
978
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,520
- I need to go and speak to the team about that.
- OK.
979
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,080
Well, I think I see him.
980
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:43,120
I think I see him.
981
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:46,880
- Yeah.
- Oh, he's coming back up.
982
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:49,840
He's got something in his hand.
983
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,720
Joe! Joe!
984
00:47:57,240 --> 00:47:58,800
How's it going?
985
00:47:58,800 --> 00:47:59,920
It's only Perrier.
986
00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:03,320
I didn't drink anything.
987
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,400
Can I just have a look at the bottle?
988
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,440
- It's just Perrier?
- Yeah.
989
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,320
- Shall we go back in?
- Yeah.
990
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,720
Well done for sticking with it.
991
00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:32,200
- Thank you.
- Good luck.
992
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:33,240
Thank you.
993
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,320
- See you later.
- Cheers.
- Cheers, Joe.
994
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,720
The power of Joe's addiction had been shocking to witness,
995
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:51,600
exposing his most human vulnerabilities,
996
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:56,160
while robbing him of the strength to take control of himself.
997
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,040
But what also struck me was the sense of impotence I'd felt
998
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:00,400
about how to help him.
999
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:06,400
I only hoped he could find his way back to happiness and sobriety.
1000
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,560
- Shall we come up?
- Yes, please. Come up.
- How are you doing?
1001
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,280
- How are you?
- Good to see you.
- Good.
1002
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,120
'It was nearly a month since I'd seen Pieter, the South African.'
1003
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:25,600
It's good to see you in a new place.
1004
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,520
'He and Marianna were now living in a new, more spacious flat.'
1005
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,600
- Let me take these off.
- No. No, no, no.
- Are you sure?
- That's fine, yes.
1006
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,360
- Are you sure? This is nice, isn't it?
- Yes.
1007
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,480
Can you show me around? Give me a little tour?
1008
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,000
Yes, absolutely.
1009
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,960
- Bigger one.
- So, this is our...
1010
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,080
- our bedroom.
- Nice. So, this is where the magic happens.
1011
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:45,720
Who sleeps on which side?
1012
00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:48,200
This is me, of my perfectionism.
1013
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,280
- Do you always do that with your change, Pieter?
- Yes, I do.
1014
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,200
This is now what, we believe, puts us on the right track.
1015
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:57,640
Quite a lot.
1016
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,280
Yeah. So, basically, that one...
1017
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:02,720
is the sertraline.
1018
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,200
This is the one I said...
1019
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:11,080
- Propranolol.
- Yes.
- For panic.
- Yeah.
- Yes.
- For panic.
- Yes.
1020
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:12,720
Do you have a diagnosis now?
1021
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:14,880
- Yes.
- Which is?
- Anxiety.
1022
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,320
Severe anxiety with panic attacks and medium depression.
1023
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,040
And actually, now, for the first time,
1024
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:22,720
the doctor is actually treating
1025
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:24,640
more of a mental health illness
1026
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,920
than, rather, the consequences -
1027
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,880
ie, self-mediation via alcohol.
1028
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,280
These are medications and strategies
1029
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,560
that you've never used before.
1030
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,320
I'm so sure that he's going to be fine...
1031
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,160
because I can see a difference in him.
1032
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:40,400
He's totally different.
1033
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,600
He's actually...too relaxed, I may say, sometimes.
1034
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,120
Doesn't he look well, though?
1035
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,320
- Yes.
- Yeah.
- A different man.
1036
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,120
- Let's go into the kitchen.
- Yes.
1037
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,880
Don't expect something big, yeah? It's still small and...
1038
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,560
But you've got everything you need.
1039
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,080
Yes! I do love my cooking.
1040
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,040
- Yeah.
- And for me, it's...
- He cooks, by the way.
1041
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:59,600
..some people it seems like a job,
1042
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,320
but for me, it's absolutely relaxing.
1043
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:03,720
That's relaxing.
1044
00:51:03,720 --> 00:51:05,320
If you wanted to cook with alcohol...
1045
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,600
I mean, are you comfortable having it in your home?
1046
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,120
- Yes.
- You feel...?
- Yes.
1047
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,080
- You don't feel it's a temptation?
- No.
1048
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,600
- You could have an open bottle of wine there by the hob and...
- Yes.
1049
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,320
- ..you wouldn't be looking at it?
- I'll make a... I'll make a sauce.
1050
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,960
- You can do that?
- Yes.
1051
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,440
We went, actually, to a party...
1052
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,560
- When, Friday?
- Yes! Last Saturday.
1053
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,000
..and there was drink there.
1054
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:30,320
I go from the buffet and get food and a nice Pepsi.
1055
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,080
I didn't want a beer.
1056
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,840
The taste of beer wasn't appealing to me.
1057
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,720
I enjoyed a Pepsi.
1058
00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:39,920
When we saw you at the hospital
1059
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,520
during the relapse, Marianna,
1060
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:42,920
you were very exasperated.
1061
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,520
Do you remember? You were saying you might leave Pieter.
1062
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:46,920
- Did you know that, Pieter?
- Yes.
1063
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,240
I told him, yeah. It's hard.
1064
00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:53,120
You can't cope and you can't find help, and I end up being ill.
1065
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,160
So, you know, I can't help him -
1066
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,760
at least let me... Let's save myself.
1067
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,960
If he's intent on destroying himself,
1068
00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:01,800
there are limits on what you can do.
1069
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,800
So, there is a point at which
1070
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,480
it's reasonable and ethical...
1071
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,680
- To leave him.
- ..for you to walk away.
1072
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,800
But that point should be when I...
1073
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,040
I know that I've done everything in my power.
1074
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:15,840
I don't want to have any regret.
1075
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:18,680
It's a happy ending.
1076
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:19,880
Yes, let's hope.
1077
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:20,960
Well, so far, so good.
1078
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,080
We have to be honest and...
1079
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:24,920
- You know.
- It's ongoing work.
1080
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,160
So, on a day-to-day basis,
1081
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,320
just keep on doing what we do
1082
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,480
and, over time...
1083
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:32,720
that will tell.
1084
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,440
I was making a last visit to Aurelie on her birthday.
1085
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,800
She was turning 45.
1086
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,280
I found her at a Brixton churchyard with her dog, Romeo,
1087
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,640
and her boyfriend, Gary.
1088
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,720
- Hello.
- Happy birthday.
- Thank you.
1089
00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:58,360
- Thank you very much.
- How do you feel?
1090
00:52:58,360 --> 00:52:59,840
Young.
1091
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:01,640
Good. How's Gary doing?
1092
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,080
Gary is all right, he's still alive.
1093
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,160
- Are you all right, Gary?
- Gary!
1094
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,040
Did you have a little argument today?
1095
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,160
No, he went to see his ex-girlfriend yesterday.
1096
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,360
I've been shagging my ex-girlfriend all night.
1097
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:16,520
Say that again.
1098
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,680
I've been shagging my ex-girlfriend all night.
1099
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,160
I done it proper.
1100
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:21,440
Yeah!
1101
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,520
What a thing to say? Why would you say that in front of Aurelie?
1102
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,680
Because she...
1103
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,320
That's what alcoholics do.
1104
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:30,880
Happy birthday, anyway.
1105
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,560
If I may ask you a personal question -
1106
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,080
what's the appeal of Gary?
1107
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:45,160
When he's around, I feel like a bit of family type of things.
1108
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,440
I mean, if he's undermining you
1109
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:48,920
and saying hurtful things,
1110
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,360
why do you stay with him?
1111
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:51,800
Because, at the end of the day,
1112
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:53,800
I stop and think about myself and I say,
1113
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:57,080
"Who wants to go out with an alcoholic anyway?
1114
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:58,720
"Who wants to go out with somebody
1115
00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:01,600
"who wakes up in the morning and starts drinking?
1116
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,280
"Who wants to go out with somebody that's, you know,
1117
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,360
"overweight around the stomach because of alcohol?
1118
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:08,640
"Who wants to go out, maybe,
1119
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,760
"with somebody who can't even have children
1120
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,440
"because of the destruction of alcohol."
1121
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,600
It's not very attractive, really, to be honest.
1122
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,040
Right.
1123
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:20,960
Well, it seems so clear
1124
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,200
that your relationship with alcohol is destructive
1125
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,480
and massively damaging your health
1126
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,160
and your relationships.
1127
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,640
Isn't it clear that you need to stop?
1128
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,640
Whether you taper out or however you do it -
1129
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,920
that you just need to get on a different track?
1130
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:39,680
I think I'm more afraid of stopping than to die.
1131
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,800
So, that's why I'll drink,
1132
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,320
just to bring me back a bit of confidence.
1133
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,320
If you stopped, what would happen?
1134
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,600
I'd be a completely different person.
1135
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,440
I mean, I'm 45.
1136
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,440
I started drinking when I was 15,
1137
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:58,160
so it's 30 years of constant abuse, you know?
1138
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:02,640
It's like trying to take the roots out of a tree.
1139
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,240
It will never work.
1140
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:23,040
Alcohol, for those addicted to it, is a kind of infatuation.
1141
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,880
It ends up displacing other relationships,
1142
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,800
becoming inseparable from your sense of who you are
1143
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,560
until a different, better life
1144
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,080
no longer looks possible.
1145
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,280
For some, it is terminal...
1146
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,960
..but I'd also seen change could happen.
1147
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,520
- Hey, Louis.
- How are you doing?
- I'm good, how are you?
1148
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,200
- Good to see you.
- Nice to see you.
1149
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,640
'Joe was back in Brighton where he was living with his dad,
1150
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,840
'having finally embraced recovery...
1151
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:57,120
'..but the road to rehab hadn't been straightforward.'
1152
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:58,960
So, when we last saw you,
1153
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:00,360
you were not in a good way.
1154
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:01,520
No.
1155
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,400
You were in hospital...
1156
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,000
- going into detox.
- Yeah.
1157
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,720
Now, am I right in thinking that,
1158
00:56:07,720 --> 00:56:08,920
after we left you,
1159
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,200
you discharged yourself from hospital?
1160
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,600
I... Yeah, I mean, the whole thing is kind of a bit blurry.
1161
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:14,960
I mean, it's...
1162
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,000
And you did wind up in the park for a night?
1163
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,080
Yeah, that's right.
1164
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:20,720
And a side street.
1165
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,120
So, you went back and drank again?
1166
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,160
Yeah, I think so.
1167
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:27,560
It's hard to, kind of, explain
1168
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,640
how obsessed I became about the idea of it.
1169
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,640
You probably remember better than I do.
1170
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,120
I'm sorry to laugh, but it was just...
1171
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,400
It's not a funny thing.
1172
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,760
I was completely crazy.
1173
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:43,200
For me,
1174
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,400
and I think for anyone who is...
1175
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:49,040
close to someone going through something like that...
1176
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:53,280
there's this feeling of wanting to help and not knowing how to.
1177
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:54,960
Do you have any insight into...?
1178
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:59,080
How is someone supposed to support you when you're in that condition?
1179
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:00,960
There is no way, that I see,
1180
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,320
for someone like me...
1181
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:08,040
..that you can do anything that will have any long-term impact.
1182
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,760
My family and friends felt,
1183
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,680
as best they could,
1184
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,480
that they needed to withdraw.
1185
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,960
It became quite apparent to me I was on my own
1186
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,120
and the motivation for me had to come from getting to a place
1187
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:24,440
where I was really on the verge of losing everything.
1188
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,440
- Yeah.
- You turned it around.
1189
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,920
Well, for now. Yeah. And I know...
1190
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:30,680
I know that sounds really glib.
1191
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,760
No, it's...
1192
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,720
- I feel... I feel comfortable and safe.
- Yeah.
1193
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:41,160
Safety is such a strange and elusive sensation.
1194
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,680
Most people, I don't think, even think about it.
1195
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,160
But I've felt, for quite a long time,
1196
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:48,640
kind of on the edge of something,
1197
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,480
even when I wasn't in it -
1198
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,320
like I was...
1199
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,280
I just felt off kilter and anxious,
1200
00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:00,680
and like everything was either going at 100 miles an hour
1201
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:02,440
or wasn't going quick enough -
1202
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,960
and I just feel OK...
1203
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:08,520
..which is nice.
91344
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