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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,830 --> 00:00:03,760 - We got 39 families looking for justice. 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,680 - But when I get this case file, it's got to be legit. 3 00:00:07,700 --> 00:00:08,740 - Hi, Tamra. 4 00:00:08,890 --> 00:00:09,970 Do you remember anything about him? 5 00:00:09,990 --> 00:00:13,270 - He had a silver skull ring. 6 00:00:13,290 --> 00:00:15,010 - Dylan Oates, 22. 7 00:00:15,030 --> 00:00:16,880 - You know, I work with a detective. 8 00:00:16,900 --> 00:00:19,010 You killed his daughter in that fire. 9 00:00:19,030 --> 00:00:22,250 - Heard you had a suspect. - He, uh, confessed. 10 00:00:22,270 --> 00:00:23,920 - To who? - Me. 11 00:00:23,940 --> 00:00:26,740 - What did he say exactly? - Do you want the case or not? 12 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:33,860 - What can you tell us about him? 13 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,600 - His name is Dylan Oates. He's 22 years old. 14 00:00:36,620 --> 00:00:38,260 - We heard he confessed. - No comment. 15 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:39,770 - Why'd he do it, Mr. Stone? 16 00:00:39,790 --> 00:00:40,970 - Pyromaniacs don't need a reason. 17 00:00:40,990 --> 00:00:42,600 - The fact is, Mr. Oates has asserted 18 00:00:42,620 --> 00:00:43,800 his Fifth Amendment rights. 19 00:00:43,820 --> 00:00:45,040 I haven't spoken to him as of yet. 20 00:00:45,060 --> 00:00:46,810 - But he's the guy? 21 00:00:46,830 --> 00:00:48,640 - Yes, he is. 22 00:00:48,660 --> 00:00:50,580 - Does he have an attorney? - Is he from Chicago? 23 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,880 - Mr. Stone, does he have a record? 24 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,790 ♪ 25 00:01:06,810 --> 00:01:08,630 - We don't usually get to see you 26 00:01:08,650 --> 00:01:10,700 at a bond hearing, Mr. Stone. 27 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:15,800 But this isn't your garden-variety homicide. 28 00:01:15,820 --> 00:01:17,700 Where's your attorney, son? 29 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:18,640 - I don't have one. 30 00:01:18,660 --> 00:01:20,640 Excuse me, Judge, but this is just about 31 00:01:20,660 --> 00:01:21,910 whether or not I get bail, right? 32 00:01:21,930 --> 00:01:23,140 - That is correct. 33 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,010 - Then it doesn't really matter, does it? 34 00:01:25,030 --> 00:01:27,580 I waive counsel. - Hang him! 35 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,350 - Burn him! - You killed my boy! 36 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,790 - No bail it is. 37 00:01:37,810 --> 00:01:38,730 Next case. 38 00:01:38,750 --> 00:01:41,880 - Get him out of here! - See you in hell! 39 00:01:55,860 --> 00:01:57,440 - You don't want to know how many cases 40 00:01:57,460 --> 00:01:59,780 with confessions I've seen crash and burn. 41 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:01,650 - You may want to add this to the pile. 42 00:02:01,670 --> 00:02:02,950 Voight says he confessed. 43 00:02:02,970 --> 00:02:04,320 - But you have your doubts. 44 00:02:04,340 --> 00:02:06,250 - I haven't heard from Dawson yet, 45 00:02:06,270 --> 00:02:07,790 but Olinsky's kid died in the fire. 46 00:02:07,810 --> 00:02:10,660 - Hmm. Good morning. - But a girl did ID the suspect. 47 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,030 - She saw him set the fire? - Yes. 48 00:02:13,050 --> 00:02:14,860 - And she picked him out of a lineup? 49 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:16,900 - She's having trouble with her vision. 50 00:02:16,920 --> 00:02:20,300 - But she described his ring and his coat. 51 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,240 He was wearing both when he was arrested. 52 00:02:22,260 --> 00:02:24,970 - Why? - Because he's a monster. 53 00:02:24,990 --> 00:02:26,910 - Someone kills 39 kids 54 00:02:26,930 --> 00:02:28,710 and injures God knows how many more... 55 00:02:28,730 --> 00:02:30,310 You're damn right he's a monster. 56 00:02:30,330 --> 00:02:32,350 The problem is juries can't accept it. 57 00:02:32,370 --> 00:02:33,980 It's out of their comfort zone. 58 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,350 But you give them a big, fat, juicy "why," 59 00:02:36,370 --> 00:02:38,790 and they'll crawl into their beds, close their eyes, 60 00:02:38,810 --> 00:02:41,390 and drift off, thinking they're actually safe. 61 00:02:41,410 --> 00:02:43,820 - I'll put Dawson and Nagel on it. 62 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,760 - Oh, and, Peter... 63 00:02:46,780 --> 00:02:50,760 Enormous tragedies make career cases. 64 00:02:50,780 --> 00:02:53,970 You win this one, it could make your career. 65 00:02:53,990 --> 00:02:58,660 But you lose, it could destroy mine. 66 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:05,000 - Hey. 67 00:03:12,310 --> 00:03:14,990 - Hey, man. I'm so sorry. 68 00:03:15,010 --> 00:03:17,720 - Yeah. Yeah. 69 00:03:17,740 --> 00:03:20,760 - Hey... 70 00:03:20,780 --> 00:03:23,730 I loved Lexi. We all did. 71 00:03:23,750 --> 00:03:26,370 - Domestic monitors. Can you believe this crap? 72 00:03:26,390 --> 00:03:29,060 Like I'm gonna hurt my own kid. 73 00:03:32,030 --> 00:03:34,430 I'm sorry for your loss, Al. 74 00:03:36,930 --> 00:03:39,410 - Thanks. 75 00:03:39,430 --> 00:03:41,840 Walk with me for a second. 76 00:03:48,470 --> 00:03:52,030 You know, the thing is, sometimes guys in your position 77 00:03:52,050 --> 00:03:54,290 might get hit by a bout of ethics, 78 00:03:54,310 --> 00:03:57,130 and then there's some pain-in-the-ass defense attorney 79 00:03:57,150 --> 00:03:59,450 crying coercion. 80 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,360 Okay, good. 81 00:04:10,060 --> 00:04:11,930 - Did he confess, Al? 82 00:04:13,830 --> 00:04:17,780 - That son of a bitch... 83 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,120 he killed Lexi. 84 00:04:23,140 --> 00:04:30,350 ♪ 85 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:34,350 - Jesus. 86 00:04:36,190 --> 00:04:39,440 - How bad am I, complaining about my kid issues? 87 00:04:39,460 --> 00:04:40,310 I honestly don't know 88 00:04:40,330 --> 00:04:42,480 how he's gonna make it through the day. 89 00:04:42,500 --> 00:04:45,810 - All I know is I couldn't. 90 00:04:45,830 --> 00:04:48,150 - So was that the sound of the vice squeezing? 91 00:04:48,170 --> 00:04:51,950 - You want to ask me something, go ahead. 92 00:04:51,970 --> 00:04:54,020 - On a good day, a confession from your old crew 93 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:55,190 smells a little hinky. 94 00:04:55,210 --> 00:04:56,860 With Olinsky's kid a victim... 95 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,890 - I don't know, okay? 96 00:04:59,910 --> 00:05:02,060 I wasn't there, so I didn't hear anything. 97 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,160 - Hey, I'm a team player, is all. 98 00:05:04,180 --> 00:05:07,520 I'd just like to know which team I'm on before the game starts. 99 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,070 We need you to move back. 100 00:05:14,090 --> 00:05:15,570 - Uh-uh, back up. 101 00:05:15,590 --> 00:05:17,510 No comment. 102 00:05:17,530 --> 00:05:19,200 Come on. - You hear her? Back up. 103 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,980 - This is all a shock. I'm sorry. 104 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,980 James! 105 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,020 I just can't get those poor children out of my head. 106 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:29,420 What you must think of us... 107 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,160 Dylan couldn't have done this. 108 00:05:32,180 --> 00:05:35,900 - Why do you say that? - We're good people. 109 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:37,930 James, these people are investigators 110 00:05:37,950 --> 00:05:40,470 from the State's Attorney's office. 111 00:05:40,490 --> 00:05:43,140 - You can't talk to us. We have rights. 112 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:44,000 - Actually, you don't 113 00:05:44,020 --> 00:05:45,870 until someone accuses you of something. 114 00:05:45,890 --> 00:05:47,860 - Yeah, we'll see about that. 115 00:05:49,430 --> 00:05:52,150 - Did Dylan go to the party with anyone? 116 00:05:52,170 --> 00:05:55,180 - I don't really know who his friends are. 117 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,080 I doubt he would even go to a rave. 118 00:05:57,100 --> 00:05:59,020 - When are these pricks gonna leave us alone? 119 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,440 - Unfortunately, they have rights. 120 00:06:05,580 --> 00:06:06,560 - Why did you say 121 00:06:06,580 --> 00:06:09,560 that Dylan wouldn't go to a rave, Mrs. Oates? 122 00:06:09,580 --> 00:06:11,970 - He kept to himself, mostly. 123 00:06:11,990 --> 00:06:14,130 His head was always in his computer. 124 00:06:14,150 --> 00:06:16,000 Eight hours a day wasn't enough for him. 125 00:06:16,020 --> 00:06:17,070 - He was a programmer? 126 00:06:17,090 --> 00:06:20,860 - Data processing... Whatever that is. 127 00:06:34,510 --> 00:06:35,960 - Hey. 128 00:06:35,980 --> 00:06:38,290 What'd you find? 129 00:06:38,310 --> 00:06:41,560 - He's snooty. He's weird. He's shy. 130 00:06:41,580 --> 00:06:42,900 He'd "never go dancing." 131 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:44,930 Nobody seems to know a lot about him. 132 00:06:44,950 --> 00:06:47,470 But he spends a lot of time online. 133 00:06:47,490 --> 00:06:50,120 - Unfortunately, none of that is an element of murder. 134 00:06:51,930 --> 00:06:53,060 - Right. 135 00:06:58,230 --> 00:06:59,680 You don't have kids, do you? 136 00:06:59,700 --> 00:07:02,220 - No. 137 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:06,220 - I remember when I could hold Diego in the palm of my hand. 138 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,960 I'd look at him and think, 139 00:07:08,980 --> 00:07:10,920 "There's a surgeon, 140 00:07:10,940 --> 00:07:12,980 a one guard for the Bulls." 141 00:07:15,610 --> 00:07:18,560 I want to grab Olinsky... 142 00:07:18,580 --> 00:07:22,000 and tell him it's gonna be okay, but it's not. 143 00:07:22,020 --> 00:07:24,200 It never will be. 144 00:07:27,190 --> 00:07:29,680 The confession... 145 00:07:29,700 --> 00:07:32,110 I didn't actually hear it. 146 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:36,650 - Who did? 147 00:07:36,670 --> 00:07:38,350 - Voight and Olinsky. 148 00:07:41,340 --> 00:07:45,190 You know, truth be told, 149 00:07:45,210 --> 00:07:47,530 I was waiting for you to come to me. 150 00:07:47,550 --> 00:07:50,030 I just didn't expect it would take you 24 hours. 151 00:07:50,050 --> 00:07:52,100 - Olinsky's daughter died in that fire. 152 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:53,670 I figured maybe he's entitled... 153 00:07:53,690 --> 00:07:55,670 - To what? Revenge? - Yeah. 154 00:07:55,690 --> 00:07:58,300 - One lie like this can destroy my entire case. 155 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,140 - Your case? It's his kid. 156 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:02,230 - Fine. 157 00:08:04,130 --> 00:08:06,710 - Albert Forest made a motion to suppress the confession. 158 00:08:06,730 --> 00:08:09,750 ♪ 159 00:08:09,770 --> 00:08:12,290 - Albert Forest is representing Dylan? 160 00:08:12,310 --> 00:08:14,370 - Today's just brimming with good news. 161 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,030 - Excuse me. 162 00:08:20,050 --> 00:08:26,370 ♪ 163 00:08:29,060 --> 00:08:30,700 - Fancy seeing you here. 164 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,210 - I knew a guy... 165 00:08:33,230 --> 00:08:36,640 He ate a hot dog a day, lived to be 98. 166 00:08:36,660 --> 00:08:38,240 - I doubt it was the hot dogs. 167 00:08:38,260 --> 00:08:42,050 - He swears it was. I trust him. 168 00:08:42,070 --> 00:08:44,320 You should trust me. 169 00:08:44,340 --> 00:08:46,720 - We'll see. 170 00:08:46,740 --> 00:08:49,380 - Peter, let me do this. 171 00:08:52,680 --> 00:08:54,690 I got a right to take the stand, 172 00:08:54,710 --> 00:08:57,620 tell my story, whatever it is. 173 00:08:59,250 --> 00:09:04,170 - Having a right and doing what is right 174 00:09:04,190 --> 00:09:06,290 are two completely different things. 175 00:09:08,230 --> 00:09:09,780 For what it's worth, Hank, 176 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,730 I'm truly sorry for your loss. 177 00:09:24,710 --> 00:09:28,160 - It's your show, Mr. Forest. 178 00:09:28,180 --> 00:09:31,400 That won't be necessary. 179 00:09:31,420 --> 00:09:33,330 The People will not oppose Mr. Forest's motion 180 00:09:33,350 --> 00:09:35,430 to suppress the defendant's confession to the police. 181 00:09:37,460 --> 00:09:43,240 ♪ 182 00:09:43,260 --> 00:09:46,310 - It's nice Mr. Stone recognizes the weaknesses in his case. 183 00:09:46,330 --> 00:09:47,380 Perhaps he'd consider... 184 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,150 - The People intend to proceed to trial, Your Honor. 185 00:09:49,170 --> 00:09:50,250 - So be it. 186 00:09:58,410 --> 00:09:59,650 - Peter, I found something odd. 187 00:10:01,250 --> 00:10:03,430 It was in with Forest's response for discovery 188 00:10:03,450 --> 00:10:06,100 and the documents his office sent over. 189 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:07,870 - Looks like a list of Internet articles 190 00:10:07,890 --> 00:10:09,300 about the Kimball Factory. 191 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:10,770 It was probably sent to us by mistake. 192 00:10:10,790 --> 00:10:13,510 - A big one. Look closer. The one that's circled. 193 00:10:13,530 --> 00:10:17,180 - "Kimball Factory: A Kiddie Sex Den"? 194 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,550 - The article was posted a few weeks ago 195 00:10:19,570 --> 00:10:21,180 on "The Anders Report." 196 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:22,880 I printed it out. 197 00:10:22,900 --> 00:10:24,820 The Anders Website claims 198 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,490 the factory was a haven for pedophiles. 199 00:10:27,510 --> 00:10:30,190 They threw the raves to attract underage teens. 200 00:10:30,210 --> 00:10:32,730 I spoke to a shrink, 201 00:10:32,750 --> 00:10:35,290 and apparently, one of the possible consequences 202 00:10:35,310 --> 00:10:37,360 of child abuse is pyromania. 203 00:10:42,220 --> 00:10:44,740 - You wanted a motive. Now we have one. 204 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:46,270 - I don't know. 205 00:10:46,290 --> 00:10:47,870 - Dylan Oates was a victim of sexual abuse. 206 00:10:47,890 --> 00:10:49,740 He read the article, it brought back memories, 207 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:50,880 and he lost it. 208 00:10:51,860 --> 00:10:54,310 This could be considered attorney work product. 209 00:10:54,330 --> 00:10:56,820 - What do you want me to do? I can't unsee it. 210 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:58,220 This is a good thing, Mark. 211 00:10:58,240 --> 00:10:59,920 At least we know what Forest is thinking. 212 00:10:59,940 --> 00:11:01,520 - You'd be handing Forest a sympathy defense 213 00:11:01,540 --> 00:11:02,660 on a silver planner with that. 214 00:11:02,680 --> 00:11:05,220 - If he was going to assert an affirmative defense, 215 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:06,130 he would have done it already, 216 00:11:06,150 --> 00:11:07,790 and I would get to cross-examine Dylan 217 00:11:07,810 --> 00:11:09,500 about every second of that night, 218 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,270 about every innocent person that died because of him. 219 00:11:12,290 --> 00:11:14,330 The last thing Forest wants is for the sympathy pendulum 220 00:11:14,350 --> 00:11:15,770 to swing back to me. 221 00:11:15,790 --> 00:11:17,870 - No. No, no, no, no. 222 00:11:17,890 --> 00:11:20,610 We've got 39 grieving families out there. 223 00:11:20,630 --> 00:11:22,540 This case is too damned important 224 00:11:22,560 --> 00:11:24,240 to risk playing lawyer games. 225 00:11:24,260 --> 00:11:26,810 Now, you've got real facts on your side. 226 00:11:26,830 --> 00:11:28,570 Use them. 227 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,520 - We found the remains of the incendiary device 228 00:11:34,540 --> 00:11:36,360 inside the warehouse. 229 00:11:36,380 --> 00:11:38,490 - What kind of incendiary device? 230 00:11:38,510 --> 00:11:40,790 - It was a lightbulb filled with gasoline 231 00:11:40,810 --> 00:11:45,230 and a mixture of quartz and diatomaceous silica. 232 00:11:45,250 --> 00:11:47,530 It's kitty litter. 233 00:11:47,550 --> 00:11:49,270 - Sounds simple. - It is. 234 00:11:49,290 --> 00:11:50,540 You can learn everything you need to know 235 00:11:50,560 --> 00:11:52,270 just by going online. 236 00:11:52,290 --> 00:11:53,540 - What else did you find in the warehouse? 237 00:11:53,560 --> 00:11:54,740 - We found metal wedges 238 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,410 that had been jammed into the doorways of the warehouse. 239 00:11:57,430 --> 00:11:58,980 - What did that tell you? 240 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,270 - Somebody didn't want the people inside to get out. 241 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,550 - Tell me about Barry Kimball. 242 00:12:08,570 --> 00:12:11,220 - He was the owner of the factory that burned. 243 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,860 - Was Mr. Kimball's factory in violation of the Fire Code? 244 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,600 - There weren't fire doors. 245 00:12:16,620 --> 00:12:18,230 And four years ago, he was ordered 246 00:12:18,250 --> 00:12:19,900 to retrofit the wiring, 247 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,670 and he ignored the order. 248 00:12:22,690 --> 00:12:25,270 - Did you speak to him about these violations. 249 00:12:25,290 --> 00:12:27,310 - He came to the Firehouse the day after the fire. 250 00:12:27,330 --> 00:12:29,440 I wasn't there, but my crew spoke with him. 251 00:12:29,460 --> 00:12:31,480 - Right after Mr. Kimball spoke with your crew, 252 00:12:31,500 --> 00:12:33,380 he went into the men's room, and he shot himself, 253 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,380 isn't that right? 254 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:36,620 - Yes. 255 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:37,650 - Is that because he felt guilty? 256 00:12:37,670 --> 00:12:39,650 - Objection. - Sustained. 257 00:12:39,670 --> 00:12:41,670 Mr. Forest. 258 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,430 - I-I saw a guy drop a paper bag on the floor. 259 00:12:51,450 --> 00:12:54,330 - What did he do after he dropped the paper bag? 260 00:12:54,350 --> 00:12:56,570 - He stepped on it hard, 261 00:12:56,590 --> 00:12:59,000 and... and then he kicked it under the couch. 262 00:12:59,020 --> 00:13:02,580 And then he just left. I thought it was weird. 263 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,480 - What's the next thing you remember? 264 00:13:05,500 --> 00:13:07,710 - I looked to go see what it was. 265 00:13:07,730 --> 00:13:10,620 And then there was this... This flash of light. 266 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,490 And then I went down. 267 00:13:12,510 --> 00:13:14,320 - Can you describe him? 268 00:13:14,340 --> 00:13:17,560 - He was 5'8", blonde, blue eyes. 269 00:13:17,580 --> 00:13:19,530 - Could you describe what he was wearing? 270 00:13:19,550 --> 00:13:22,500 - He was wearing a... 271 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:26,990 a brown cargo jacket with a ForeRange logo on it. 272 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,470 - Was there anything else? - Yeah, he was... 273 00:13:32,490 --> 00:13:35,740 he was wearing a ring. 274 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,380 - Can you describe the ring? 275 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:38,480 - It was silver. 276 00:13:38,500 --> 00:13:41,500 It was like a skull made of silver. 277 00:13:42,770 --> 00:13:44,600 - Thank you. 278 00:13:46,970 --> 00:13:50,710 - Tamra, were you drinking that night? 279 00:13:52,750 --> 00:13:54,690 - I had... I had two beers. 280 00:13:54,710 --> 00:13:57,600 - Did you consume any drugs? 281 00:14:00,690 --> 00:14:02,640 ♪ 282 00:14:02,660 --> 00:14:06,000 You have to answer the question, Tamra. 283 00:14:06,020 --> 00:14:08,710 - Yes. - What kind of drugs? 284 00:14:08,730 --> 00:14:11,610 - I had a half tab of Molly. 285 00:14:11,630 --> 00:14:13,710 But I saw what I saw. 286 00:14:13,730 --> 00:14:16,580 - Was there music playing? 287 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,680 - Yes. - Any kind of light show? 288 00:14:18,700 --> 00:14:20,950 - They had... They had strobe lights. 289 00:14:20,970 --> 00:14:23,420 - And how long did you see this person, 290 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,760 the one who stepped on the paper bag? 291 00:14:25,780 --> 00:14:27,690 - Maybe three seconds. 292 00:14:27,710 --> 00:14:30,560 - So, in a crowded room, after you'd been drinking 293 00:14:30,580 --> 00:14:33,130 and popping pills with music pumping 294 00:14:33,150 --> 00:14:36,130 and lights pulsating, you were really able 295 00:14:36,150 --> 00:14:40,140 to see and identify a ring on the finger of a stranger? 296 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,110 - I saw it... 297 00:14:42,130 --> 00:14:44,540 and his face. 298 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:46,610 I'll never forget it. 299 00:14:46,630 --> 00:14:50,820 - But, unfortunately, you're not able to identify my client 300 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,720 as the man you saw that night, are you? 301 00:14:52,740 --> 00:14:55,090 - No, I can't. 302 00:14:55,110 --> 00:14:57,720 I can't see anything because of him. 303 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,730 ♪ 304 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,130 ♪ 305 00:15:07,150 --> 00:15:10,500 - We found metal wedges in the defendant's apartment. 306 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,740 - Were they manufactured by Elliston Industries? 307 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,640 - Yes. Stainless steel. 1 5/8-inch slot width. 308 00:15:16,660 --> 00:15:18,180 - Like this? 309 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:19,310 - Exactly. 310 00:15:19,330 --> 00:15:21,850 - Can you describe the wedges shoved under the door 311 00:15:21,870 --> 00:15:24,150 at the factory where the rave took place? 312 00:15:24,170 --> 00:15:27,650 - Stainless steel, 1 5/8-inch slot width, 313 00:15:27,670 --> 00:15:30,420 manufactured by Elliston Industries. 314 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,710 - Like this? - Yes, sir. 315 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,200 - People use these wedges to hold doors open, 316 00:15:40,220 --> 00:15:41,570 isn't that right? 317 00:15:41,590 --> 00:15:43,640 - Or closed, as the case may be. 318 00:15:43,660 --> 00:15:45,500 - Say you wanted to keep your terrace door open 319 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:47,810 so you could enjoy the summer breeze while you ate dinner, 320 00:15:47,830 --> 00:15:49,480 you'd use one? 321 00:15:49,500 --> 00:15:53,850 - Well, I don't have a terrace, so I wouldn't know. 322 00:15:53,870 --> 00:15:55,850 - One of the victims in this case 323 00:15:55,870 --> 00:15:58,520 is the daughter of one of your colleagues, 324 00:15:58,540 --> 00:16:00,520 isn't that right? - Alvin Olinsky. 325 00:16:00,540 --> 00:16:02,860 His daughter Lexi was killed by the fire. 326 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,160 - And getting someone, anyone, convicted 327 00:16:06,180 --> 00:16:08,690 for what happened to Detective Olinsky's daughter 328 00:16:08,710 --> 00:16:11,130 would bring him some sort of closure, wouldn't it? 329 00:16:11,150 --> 00:16:13,700 - Objection. - Withdrawn. 330 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:18,770 I show you what is marked Defense Exhibit 12. 331 00:16:18,790 --> 00:16:21,670 You recognize that? 332 00:16:21,690 --> 00:16:23,540 - It's my arrest report. 333 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:27,180 - Would you read the highlighted part? 334 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,180 - "After advising suspect of his Miranda rights, 335 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:31,750 "he stated of his own free will, 336 00:16:31,770 --> 00:16:34,840 'It was me, okay? I started the damn fire.'" 337 00:16:36,580 --> 00:16:38,160 - It's curious, don't you think, 338 00:16:38,180 --> 00:16:41,660 that the People haven't entered that statement into evidence? 339 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:43,730 - Objection! - I'm curious, too, Mr. Stone. 340 00:16:43,750 --> 00:16:45,160 Overruled. 341 00:16:45,180 --> 00:16:48,170 - Why haven't the People entered Mr. Oates' statement 342 00:16:48,190 --> 00:16:50,670 into evidence, Detective? - You'd have to ask the People. 343 00:16:50,690 --> 00:16:53,240 - Could it be that they didn't trust you? 344 00:16:53,260 --> 00:16:55,240 And if the Assistant State's Attorney doesn't trust you 345 00:16:55,260 --> 00:16:56,840 with something as simple as a confession, 346 00:16:56,860 --> 00:16:59,570 why should we trust anything you say now? 347 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:04,870 Exactly. 348 00:17:15,810 --> 00:17:16,820 - In person, Forest is a lot better than his book. 349 00:17:17,420 --> 00:17:19,260 We read it in law school. 350 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,730 - The Third Edition? - Thank you. 351 00:17:21,750 --> 00:17:24,160 No, the Fifth. 352 00:17:26,830 --> 00:17:29,110 Could you do it... 353 00:17:29,130 --> 00:17:31,610 defend someone like Dylan Oates? 354 00:17:31,630 --> 00:17:34,080 - I won't ever have to make that decision. 355 00:17:34,100 --> 00:17:37,120 - So you are a lifer? 356 00:17:37,140 --> 00:17:40,120 - I was thrilled when I was drafted by the Cubs, Anna... 357 00:17:40,140 --> 00:17:42,860 back when they were the loveable losers. 358 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,660 An underdog always needs someone on his side. 359 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,290 - Representing the State doesn't exactly make you the underdog. 360 00:17:48,310 --> 00:17:49,230 - When I'm in that courtroom, 361 00:17:49,250 --> 00:17:52,160 I'm not thinking about the State of Illinois. 362 00:17:52,180 --> 00:17:55,790 I'm thinking about the victims. 363 00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:05,180 And right now I am letting 39 of them down. 364 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,350 Forest is well on his way to establishing reasonable doubt. 365 00:18:08,370 --> 00:18:10,050 I don't have a choice. 366 00:18:10,070 --> 00:18:12,220 I can't win this without offering a motive. 367 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,320 - If you put Anders on the stand to testify 368 00:18:14,340 --> 00:18:17,660 about the raves being used for underage sex, 369 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,660 Forest will go ballistic. 370 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,280 - Let him. 371 00:18:25,380 --> 00:18:28,370 Ah, Mr. Anders, thank you for coming in on a Saturday. 372 00:18:28,390 --> 00:18:29,670 This won't take long. 373 00:18:29,690 --> 00:18:31,140 I'm sure you don't need much prep. 374 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,810 - Uh, I don't think I'll need any... 375 00:18:34,830 --> 00:18:37,880 mainly 'cause I'm not gonna testify. 376 00:18:37,900 --> 00:18:39,340 - You have a subpoena in your hand. 377 00:18:39,360 --> 00:18:42,820 - And the First Amendment and the shield law at my back. 378 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,220 I'm a journalist, after all. 379 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:46,790 - I don't know what it is you do exactly, 380 00:18:46,810 --> 00:18:49,350 but I wouldn't call it journalism. 381 00:18:49,370 --> 00:18:52,690 - Be that as it may, I'm not getting on the stand. 382 00:18:52,710 --> 00:18:54,630 - We could have you arrested for contempt. 383 00:18:54,650 --> 00:18:58,860 - Speaking of which, I was just thinking recently 384 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,230 of a weekend you spent at the Huntington Hotel 385 00:19:02,250 --> 00:19:04,200 in Grand Beach. 386 00:19:04,220 --> 00:19:06,240 When was that... 387 00:19:06,260 --> 00:19:07,870 four years ago? 388 00:19:10,700 --> 00:19:12,950 - Why are you doing this? 389 00:19:12,970 --> 00:19:14,850 What are you so scared of? 390 00:19:14,870 --> 00:19:17,350 - Do you have any idea what it would cost me 391 00:19:17,370 --> 00:19:19,890 to defend the lawsuits brought by the 39 families 392 00:19:19,910 --> 00:19:21,320 who lost their kids? 393 00:19:21,340 --> 00:19:23,360 - They'd have to prove your story wasn't true. 394 00:19:23,380 --> 00:19:25,160 - Then I'd be forced to name my sources. 395 00:19:25,180 --> 00:19:29,830 ♪ 396 00:19:29,850 --> 00:19:32,130 Give my best to Joan. 397 00:19:32,150 --> 00:19:39,190 ♪ 398 00:19:52,940 --> 00:19:55,950 - Damn it, Peter. We had a deal. 399 00:19:55,970 --> 00:19:58,960 No calls, no texts, and definitely no lunches. 400 00:19:58,980 --> 00:20:01,850 - Like I said, this is important. 401 00:20:08,420 --> 00:20:10,440 How bad is it? 402 00:20:10,460 --> 00:20:11,970 - Have you heard of Todd Anders? 403 00:20:11,990 --> 00:20:14,760 - The sleazy-Website guy? - Yeah. 404 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,340 He threatened to publish something about our weekend 405 00:20:18,360 --> 00:20:20,800 at Grand Beach if I put him on the stand. 406 00:20:23,300 --> 00:20:25,350 - Well, then don't put him on the stand. 407 00:20:25,370 --> 00:20:27,450 - This is on the rave trial, Joan. 408 00:20:27,470 --> 00:20:29,820 His testimony will help me establish motive. 409 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,020 - I said no. 410 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,460 - 39 kids died. - And I'm married. 411 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,960 - You were separated at the time. 412 00:20:37,980 --> 00:20:42,220 - I doubt that Sam or the girls will split those hairs. 413 00:20:43,220 --> 00:20:45,770 ♪ 414 00:20:45,790 --> 00:20:48,340 You're not asking my permission, are you? 415 00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:52,040 ♪ 416 00:20:52,060 --> 00:20:53,910 - I'm sorry. 417 00:20:53,930 --> 00:20:56,010 ♪ 418 00:20:56,030 --> 00:20:57,280 - No, you're not. 419 00:20:57,300 --> 00:20:58,820 You only care about your damn case. 420 00:20:58,840 --> 00:20:59,820 - Joan, please. 421 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:01,490 - You're gonna ruin my life, Peter. 422 00:21:01,510 --> 00:21:04,790 Pardon me if I don't want to break bread with you. 423 00:21:04,810 --> 00:21:09,060 ♪ 424 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:18,260 ♪ 425 00:21:21,090 --> 00:21:22,840 - Mr. Anders... 426 00:21:22,860 --> 00:21:24,780 I direct your attention to what is being offered 427 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,800 as People's Exhibit 53. 428 00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:32,380 Do you recognize this document, Mr. Anders? 429 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,850 - It is an article that was published 430 00:21:34,870 --> 00:21:37,260 on my Website. 431 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:38,520 - Please read the headline. 432 00:21:38,540 --> 00:21:41,330 - "Kimball Factory: A Kiddie Sex Den." 433 00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:43,960 - And the essence of the story is what? 434 00:21:43,980 --> 00:21:47,970 - That people threw parties at the abandoned factory 435 00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:50,900 to lure underage teens to engage in sexual acts. 436 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,870 - They'd get them drunk and high? 437 00:21:52,890 --> 00:21:53,870 - That's right. 438 00:21:53,890 --> 00:21:55,340 - If someone read this, 439 00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:57,580 might they do something drastic about it? 440 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,000 - I'm not gonna answer that. - Nor should you have to. 441 00:22:02,970 --> 00:22:04,770 - I have nothing more, Your Honor. 442 00:22:07,070 --> 00:22:10,360 - Mr. Forest? - Uh, no questions. 443 00:22:10,380 --> 00:22:11,960 No questions, Your Honor. 444 00:22:11,980 --> 00:22:13,390 - Mr. Stone? 445 00:22:13,410 --> 00:22:16,330 ♪ 446 00:22:16,350 --> 00:22:17,560 - The People rest. 447 00:22:17,580 --> 00:22:20,390 - Fine, gentlemen. The defense can present in the morning. 448 00:22:31,860 --> 00:22:32,860 - Are you okay? 449 00:22:33,870 --> 00:22:36,870 - I've been better. 450 00:22:38,140 --> 00:22:40,220 Forest didn't object to the document 451 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,860 or my question to Anders. 452 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,160 He didn't cross Anders about his sources. 453 00:22:45,180 --> 00:22:46,960 Why? 454 00:22:46,980 --> 00:22:49,210 - Maybe Anders has something on him. 455 00:22:55,220 --> 00:22:58,000 It's a little late for Forest's book. 456 00:22:58,020 --> 00:22:59,960 - Read the title of chapter three. 457 00:23:01,330 --> 00:23:04,110 "Trials: It's All A Con." 458 00:23:04,130 --> 00:23:06,160 - And I think I'm his mark. 459 00:23:12,100 --> 00:23:15,910 - I never thought Dylan could do something like this. 460 00:23:18,410 --> 00:23:20,290 - But you do now? 461 00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:23,260 - No. Of course not. 462 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,030 He was always such a sweet boy. 463 00:23:26,050 --> 00:23:28,170 That's what I called him... My sweet boy. 464 00:23:28,190 --> 00:23:30,300 I know it's silly. 465 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:35,110 - Was there a time when he stopped being sweet? 466 00:23:35,130 --> 00:23:37,940 - Dylan was five. 467 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,050 My brother Frank was taking him fishing. 468 00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:43,000 He was so excited, you know, like little boys get. 469 00:23:45,140 --> 00:23:48,620 When he got home, he was different. 470 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,060 - You're lying. - Watch it, young man. 471 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,090 - I know what he did to you. 472 00:23:54,110 --> 00:23:57,400 From the time he was five until Frank died. 473 00:23:57,420 --> 00:23:59,330 - She's lying! She knows nothing about me! 474 00:23:59,350 --> 00:24:03,100 - Mr. Oates, one more outburst, and I will have you removed. 475 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:05,970 ♪ 476 00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:07,940 - Did Dylan say anything about it to you? 477 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,040 - No. 478 00:24:09,060 --> 00:24:11,980 - Then how can you be so sure it happened, Mrs. Oates? 479 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,280 - I'm his mother. 480 00:24:14,300 --> 00:24:16,980 - Are you aware that you just confessed 481 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,050 to endangering the welfare of a child? 482 00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:22,420 - That fire... 483 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,420 all those kids... 484 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,460 If Dylan did it, it is my fault, 485 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,000 not his. 486 00:24:33,450 --> 00:24:36,000 - Let's break for lunch, shall we? 487 00:24:38,020 --> 00:24:44,980 ♪ 488 00:24:50,140 --> 00:24:52,720 ♪ 489 00:24:55,170 --> 00:24:58,460 - I assume this isn't a coincidence. 490 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,990 - It's all a con. 491 00:25:03,420 --> 00:25:06,000 Well, at least somebody pays attention to what I write. 492 00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:10,700 - "In the courtroom, reality is irrelevant. 493 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,700 The appearance of reality is all that matters." 494 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,670 - I do have a way with words. 495 00:25:15,690 --> 00:25:17,210 - That wasn't a mistake... 496 00:25:17,230 --> 00:25:20,110 You sending me that list of articles. 497 00:25:20,130 --> 00:25:22,180 - Why would I do that intentionally? 498 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,780 - So I would introduce your defense for you. 499 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,020 And you'd never have to put your client on the stand 500 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:28,790 to be cross-examined. 501 00:25:28,810 --> 00:25:31,220 - Wow. That... that would be very clever. 502 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,690 - And dishonest. 503 00:25:33,710 --> 00:25:35,430 - Or the appearance thereof. 504 00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:38,030 ♪ 505 00:25:38,050 --> 00:25:40,270 - Was Dylan really abused? 506 00:25:40,290 --> 00:25:42,330 - His mother certainly thinks so. 507 00:25:42,350 --> 00:25:45,100 - No. I read the transcript of her testimony. 508 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:46,040 She never actually said it. 509 00:25:46,060 --> 00:25:48,040 So you never actually suborned perjury. 510 00:25:48,060 --> 00:25:49,770 - Jeez, I'm getting smarter by the minute. 511 00:25:49,790 --> 00:25:51,340 - Is the Anders story true? 512 00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:52,340 - I have no idea. 513 00:25:52,360 --> 00:25:54,310 For me, it was merely fortuitous. 514 00:25:54,330 --> 00:25:56,550 - This isn't a game. 39 kids are dead. 515 00:25:56,570 --> 00:26:00,190 - And my concern is the one who's still living. 516 00:26:02,340 --> 00:26:06,120 You got a little of your dad in you, you know that? 517 00:26:06,140 --> 00:26:07,060 You think a criminal trial 518 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,230 is all about some sort of ineffable morality, 519 00:26:10,250 --> 00:26:15,300 something out there that's permanent and infinite. 520 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,100 I got news for you, son... There ain't no such thing. 521 00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:22,140 What happens in that courtroom is a zero-sum game. 522 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,840 There's winners and losers, period. 523 00:26:24,860 --> 00:26:28,080 - So why concern yourself with using a fake news story 524 00:26:28,100 --> 00:26:30,220 as long as it puts a W in your column? 525 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,150 - Or at least an M for "mistrial." 526 00:26:33,170 --> 00:26:34,820 ♪ 527 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,820 Odds are, out of the 12 ordinary citizens in the jury box, 528 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,260 child sexual abuse will hit home for one of them. 529 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,500 And that, my friend, spells hung jury. 530 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:46,830 - I'll retry him. 531 00:26:46,850 --> 00:26:49,300 - And I'll find another reality... 532 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,370 maybe even one that's more acceptable to my client. 533 00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:59,500 ♪ 534 00:27:13,380 --> 00:27:15,810 - The People have no questions for Mrs. Oates. 535 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,240 - You may go. Thank you. 536 00:27:23,260 --> 00:27:26,370 - In that case, the defense rests, Your Honor. 537 00:27:26,390 --> 00:27:29,810 - I think counsel is jumping the gun. 538 00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:32,810 The People certainly have the right to examine Mr. Oates. 539 00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:36,450 This is still America. 540 00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:39,220 We still have a constitution and a Fifth Amendment... 541 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,490 - Your Honor, let me remind you how the defendant reacted 542 00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:44,590 when his mother was on the stand. 543 00:27:44,610 --> 00:27:46,560 - Your Honor, may we approach? 544 00:27:46,580 --> 00:27:48,880 - Yes. Come. 545 00:27:53,450 --> 00:27:55,200 - Your Honor, my client was upset. 546 00:27:55,220 --> 00:27:58,300 - He spoke. The jury heard him. That's testimony. 547 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,470 He waived his rights against self-incrimination. 548 00:28:00,490 --> 00:28:03,340 - Oh, please. Your Honor... - Clever, Mr. Stone... 549 00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:05,510 very clever. 550 00:28:05,530 --> 00:28:08,910 I'll probably be reversed on appeal, 551 00:28:08,930 --> 00:28:10,850 but I'm gonna let you cross-examine him, 552 00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:14,470 but only as to the matters that he testified to on direct. 553 00:28:15,670 --> 00:28:18,190 I assume you're gonna need time 554 00:28:18,210 --> 00:28:19,620 to prepare your client, Mr. Forest. 555 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,450 I'll give you 24 hours. 556 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,400 - All you can cross Dylan on is whether his mom was lying 557 00:28:29,420 --> 00:28:31,270 or whether she actually knew anything about his life. 558 00:28:31,290 --> 00:28:33,570 - So we need to find out something she didn't know. 559 00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:35,410 Somebody at the rave must have known him. 560 00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:37,410 - CPD spoke to everybody who came forward. 561 00:28:38,460 --> 00:28:41,310 - Have Dawson and Nagel find someone who didn't. 562 00:28:56,750 --> 00:28:58,430 - Hey. 563 00:28:58,450 --> 00:29:00,900 - Hey. 564 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,670 Did you tell Stone about the confession? 565 00:29:04,690 --> 00:29:06,900 - I didn't have to. 566 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,640 - You know, I should have whacked that little bastard 567 00:29:08,660 --> 00:29:11,400 when I had the chance. 568 00:29:14,530 --> 00:29:16,380 - Hey, Dawson. 569 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,520 Look what I found on this teddy. 570 00:29:18,540 --> 00:29:21,290 "Dear Arnie, I'm so sorry. It's all my fault. 571 00:29:21,310 --> 00:29:22,920 Love always, Chloe." 572 00:29:22,940 --> 00:29:25,260 There's no Chloe on the survivors list. 573 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:26,620 - Who's Arnie? 574 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,560 - There was an Arnold Phillips. 575 00:29:28,580 --> 00:29:31,330 He died in the fire. 576 00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:33,320 - Okay. 577 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,670 - Hey, Chloe. 578 00:29:42,690 --> 00:29:45,010 - Who are you? - I'm Laura. 579 00:29:45,030 --> 00:29:46,540 I'm investigating the fire. 580 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,510 Um, your mom said I could come up. 581 00:29:48,530 --> 00:29:49,780 She's talking to my partner. 582 00:29:51,570 --> 00:29:52,780 It's important, Chloe. 583 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,290 This could help us convict the guy responsible. 584 00:29:55,310 --> 00:29:57,780 - I wasn't there. I don't know anything. 585 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,000 - I have a daughter. She's eight. 586 00:30:07,020 --> 00:30:09,300 And I know in a few years, she's gonna start 587 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,300 keeping secrets from me. 588 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,290 - Can you leave me alone? 589 00:30:26,740 --> 00:30:30,020 - I know you were there. 590 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:34,090 And I know how difficult it must be to lose a brother. 591 00:30:40,020 --> 00:30:42,730 Arnie didn't want to go. 592 00:30:42,750 --> 00:30:45,400 I was a jerk. I kept begging him. 593 00:30:45,420 --> 00:30:49,360 And then when I saw the guy they arrested on the news... 594 00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:53,680 I didn't know what to do. 595 00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:55,680 - You recognized him? 596 00:30:55,700 --> 00:30:58,050 ♪ 597 00:30:58,070 --> 00:31:00,020 - Yeah. 598 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,650 When I went outside to have a cigarette, 599 00:31:02,670 --> 00:31:04,690 he was out there... 600 00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:07,360 pacing back and forth. 601 00:31:07,380 --> 00:31:10,720 And then when I went in, he was arguing with some girl. 602 00:31:12,580 --> 00:31:15,370 - I want... I want you to tell me if you recognize her. 603 00:31:15,390 --> 00:31:20,770 ♪ 604 00:31:20,790 --> 00:31:22,490 - No. 605 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,610 Yeah. That's her. 606 00:31:27,630 --> 00:31:29,100 Yeah. 607 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,880 - Thank you. 608 00:31:32,900 --> 00:31:35,150 - I don't know a Dylan Oates. 609 00:31:35,170 --> 00:31:37,460 - He seems to know you. 610 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,390 Our tech people found that Dylan had a Facebook account 611 00:31:40,410 --> 00:31:42,530 under the fake name Kurt Holden. 612 00:31:42,550 --> 00:31:45,060 - I have over a thousand "friends." 613 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:46,030 I don't know all of them. 614 00:31:46,050 --> 00:31:50,640 - Dylan only friended one person, Tamra... you. 615 00:31:50,660 --> 00:31:53,910 - We know you saw him do more than just step on the paper bag. 616 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,410 - Oh, God. 617 00:32:09,570 --> 00:32:13,460 He came up to me at the rave. 618 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:14,630 He said that he knew me, 619 00:32:14,650 --> 00:32:17,700 that we'd met on the L, like, three months ago, but... 620 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,170 I had no idea. 621 00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:25,540 He said that he asked me to have a cup of coffee back then. 622 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,470 - Did you go out with him? - No. 623 00:32:27,490 --> 00:32:29,470 I-I had to study. 624 00:32:29,490 --> 00:32:31,880 That's what he said I told him. 625 00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:34,610 But I swear, I don't remember this at all. 626 00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:38,520 - What else did he tell you, Tamra? 627 00:32:38,540 --> 00:32:42,450 - He said that I went to a party instead of going out with him. 628 00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:45,120 But how could he possibly know that? 629 00:32:45,140 --> 00:32:47,590 - You posted it on Facebook. 630 00:32:47,610 --> 00:32:54,620 ♪ 631 00:32:56,150 --> 00:32:58,660 - Oh, God... 632 00:33:03,930 --> 00:33:08,180 All those people are dead because of me, aren't they? 633 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:15,190 ♪ 634 00:33:17,510 --> 00:33:19,690 - I'm sorry, Tamra, but you'll have to testify... 635 00:33:19,710 --> 00:33:21,860 - Only if we need you. 636 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,480 ♪ 637 00:33:35,390 --> 00:33:36,870 - Why did you call your mother a liar? 638 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,180 - That story about my uncle... 639 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,720 It's a total lie. 640 00:33:43,740 --> 00:33:46,050 He never did anything weird to me. 641 00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:48,190 - So why would your mom say it under oath? 642 00:33:48,210 --> 00:33:50,580 - 'Cause she's stupid. 643 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,530 - Did you think boys were being molested 644 00:33:54,550 --> 00:33:55,930 at the Kimball Warehouse? - Objection. 645 00:33:55,950 --> 00:33:57,190 Beyond the scope. - Sustained. 646 00:33:57,210 --> 00:33:59,960 - Did you ever read an article about it in "The Anders Report"? 647 00:33:59,980 --> 00:34:01,630 - Same objection. - Sustained. 648 00:34:01,650 --> 00:34:03,670 Mr. Stone, you're limited to questions 649 00:34:03,690 --> 00:34:06,590 relating to the defendant's prior outburst. 650 00:34:10,700 --> 00:34:13,650 - Tell me, Dylan... Why did you say that 651 00:34:13,670 --> 00:34:16,080 your mom doesn't know anything about your life? 652 00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:17,680 - Because she doesn't. 653 00:34:17,700 --> 00:34:19,580 - Did she know you were on Facebook? 654 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,050 I'm not. I mean, it's lame. 655 00:34:23,070 --> 00:34:24,660 - So why did you start an account 656 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,080 under the fake name "Kurt Holden"? 657 00:34:30,010 --> 00:34:31,960 - I have no idea what you're talking about. 658 00:34:31,980 --> 00:34:33,200 - Did your mom know you were obsessed 659 00:34:33,220 --> 00:34:35,120 with a girl on social media? 660 00:34:37,020 --> 00:34:39,220 - Even if I were, I wouldn't tell her. 661 00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:44,740 - Do you know who this girl is? 662 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,130 - No. 663 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,580 - How about this one? 664 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,640 - No. 665 00:34:55,670 --> 00:34:57,610 - Who is that, Dylan? 666 00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:06,250 - She's the blind one who said she knows me. 667 00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:09,800 - Her name is Tamra Collins. 668 00:35:09,820 --> 00:35:14,030 And her face was all over the newsfeed on your phony account. 669 00:35:16,290 --> 00:35:18,730 These were photos that you liked. 670 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:31,240 ♪ 671 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,830 Hmm. 672 00:35:36,850 --> 00:35:38,800 Looks like she's having a great time. 673 00:35:38,820 --> 00:35:45,800 ♪ 674 00:35:45,820 --> 00:35:48,770 - Whatever. 675 00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:50,310 - Did this make you a little jealous? 676 00:35:50,330 --> 00:35:53,380 - Objection. - Withdrawn. 677 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,050 Did your mom know that you asked Tamra out three months ago? 678 00:35:57,070 --> 00:35:58,880 - No. Because I didn't. 679 00:35:58,900 --> 00:36:01,120 - Did she know that Tamra made up some lame excuse 680 00:36:01,140 --> 00:36:03,050 to dump you while she went to a rave? 681 00:36:03,070 --> 00:36:05,420 - No. Because that never happened. 682 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,190 - Did you ever tell your mom how humiliated you felt? 683 00:36:09,210 --> 00:36:10,800 ♪ 684 00:36:10,820 --> 00:36:12,800 - Why would I care if some bimbo preferred 685 00:36:12,820 --> 00:36:14,670 to be with garbage instead of me? 686 00:36:14,690 --> 00:36:16,730 - So you'd just as soon sit at home alone 687 00:36:16,750 --> 00:36:20,100 on your computer? 688 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:21,910 - As a matter of fact, I would. 689 00:36:21,930 --> 00:36:23,810 - To hell with Tamra and her friends, right? 690 00:36:23,830 --> 00:36:28,210 - That's right. They're all irrelevant to me. 691 00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:31,220 - So it's no big deal that they're all dead? 692 00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:33,820 - Objection. - Withdrawn. 693 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:38,120 ♪ 694 00:36:38,140 --> 00:36:41,360 I have nothing further, Your Honor. 695 00:36:41,380 --> 00:36:48,390 ♪ 696 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,270 - Why did he do it? 697 00:37:02,430 --> 00:37:04,350 I don't know either. 698 00:37:04,370 --> 00:37:07,250 Mr. Stone told you a hell of story 699 00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:10,420 about lightbulbs and kitty litter, 700 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,220 door wedges, brown cargo jackets, 701 00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:16,430 but unless I missed it, he never quite told you 702 00:37:16,450 --> 00:37:19,160 why Dylan Oates started a fire 703 00:37:19,180 --> 00:37:23,740 at a party filled with people he didn't know. 704 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,170 But the truth... 705 00:37:26,190 --> 00:37:28,910 is that lots of people have lightbulbs 706 00:37:28,930 --> 00:37:32,980 and kitty litter, door wedges, brown cargo jackets. 707 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,780 But only one had the motive... 708 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,750 to cause such unutterable devastation. 709 00:37:40,770 --> 00:37:42,350 Now, was it Dylan Oates? 710 00:37:42,370 --> 00:37:45,960 Or did Mr. Stone merely pull a patsy out of a hat? 711 00:37:45,980 --> 00:37:49,390 A patsy who happened to have a brown cargo jacket? 712 00:37:49,410 --> 00:37:53,830 A patsy whose childhood was tormented 713 00:37:53,850 --> 00:37:57,970 by such unspeakable indignities... 714 00:37:57,990 --> 00:38:00,170 he would risk going to prison 715 00:38:00,190 --> 00:38:03,910 rather than admit what really happened? 716 00:38:03,930 --> 00:38:05,380 No. 717 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,880 If it was Dylan Oates who started the fire, 718 00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:10,450 surely Mr. Stone would have answered 719 00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:13,000 that one simple, crucial question... 720 00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:16,810 Why? 721 00:38:32,460 --> 00:38:34,330 - 39 children dead. 722 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:37,410 Mr. Forest is correct. 723 00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:40,910 I didn't tell you why Dylan Oates set that fire 724 00:38:40,930 --> 00:38:44,040 and killed these 39 innocents. 725 00:38:45,370 --> 00:38:47,280 I didn't have to... 726 00:38:47,300 --> 00:38:50,590 because Dylan told you himself. 727 00:38:50,610 --> 00:38:52,060 He said it here. 728 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,050 And here... 729 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,020 And here. 730 00:39:06,020 --> 00:39:08,840 He said it the way people say most things today... 731 00:39:08,860 --> 00:39:13,580 Digitally, by text or Twitter or Tumblr or Facebook. 732 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,480 He told you he was obsessed with Tamra Collins, 733 00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:17,980 a woman he met only briefly 734 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,520 but still wanted nothing to do with him. 735 00:39:20,540 --> 00:39:22,290 He stalked her, 736 00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:24,290 not by following her home or to work, 737 00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:25,560 but on social media. 738 00:39:25,580 --> 00:39:28,530 Why? Because that's the world... 739 00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:31,260 Dylan Oates inhabits. 740 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,000 The rectangular-bordered landscape of his desktop, 741 00:39:34,020 --> 00:39:36,570 laptop, iPad, smartphone. 742 00:39:36,590 --> 00:39:38,870 A world where someone, with a couple of keystrokes, 743 00:39:38,890 --> 00:39:43,010 can express anger, love, hate 744 00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:47,610 to anyone anywhere without risk of reprisal. 745 00:39:47,630 --> 00:39:51,120 It's a world where deceit flourishes 746 00:39:51,140 --> 00:39:54,490 and voyeurism thrives... 747 00:39:54,510 --> 00:39:58,460 Where real human contact and discourse 748 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,390 is replaced by bits and bytes and logarithms. 749 00:40:02,410 --> 00:40:04,400 Where Tamra Collins is always smiling... 750 00:40:04,420 --> 00:40:06,060 Dylan. 751 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,600 - Always at a party, and always having a great time. 752 00:40:11,090 --> 00:40:12,500 - Dylan. - Mr. Oates, that's enough! 753 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,310 - Dylan. 754 00:40:14,330 --> 00:40:16,440 You got to control yourself. 755 00:40:16,460 --> 00:40:23,470 ♪ 756 00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:27,920 - See, in Dylan's head, Tamra had... 757 00:40:27,940 --> 00:40:30,050 a perfect life. 758 00:40:30,070 --> 00:40:32,460 ♪ 759 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:33,930 And Dylan wasn't invited. 760 00:40:33,950 --> 00:40:37,930 ♪ 761 00:40:37,950 --> 00:40:42,330 How dare she exclude you from her perfect world? 762 00:40:42,350 --> 00:40:44,670 How dare she embarrass you by announcing to the world 763 00:40:44,690 --> 00:40:48,070 on Facebook that you weren't part of it? 764 00:40:48,090 --> 00:40:50,110 ♪ 765 00:40:50,130 --> 00:40:52,440 See, Dylan couldn't let her get away with that, 766 00:40:52,460 --> 00:40:56,570 so he set fire to the world that didn't want him. 767 00:40:58,100 --> 00:41:00,370 And then he watched it burn. 768 00:41:02,170 --> 00:41:06,720 Now, I wonder, are those tears for the 39 dead? 769 00:41:06,740 --> 00:41:10,150 Or are they for your own sad and lonely life? 770 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,100 Officers! 771 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,100 - Dylan! - Restrain him. 772 00:41:16,590 --> 00:41:18,040 Order in this court. 773 00:41:18,060 --> 00:41:19,570 Mr. Oates. 774 00:41:19,590 --> 00:41:21,640 Mr. Oates, that's enough. 775 00:41:21,660 --> 00:41:24,180 Officers, remove him from this courtroom. 776 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:31,400 ♪ 777 00:41:34,010 --> 00:41:37,050 - "In the matter of the People versus Dylan Oates, 778 00:41:37,070 --> 00:41:39,560 "on the first count, aggravated arson, 779 00:41:39,580 --> 00:41:42,990 "the jury finds the defendant guilty. 780 00:41:43,010 --> 00:41:44,660 "On the second count, 781 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,630 "first-degree murder of Isabel Acuna, guilty. 782 00:41:48,650 --> 00:41:50,200 "On the third count, 783 00:41:50,220 --> 00:41:54,410 "first-degree murder of Dana Altamore, guilty. 784 00:41:54,430 --> 00:41:56,110 "On the fourth count, 785 00:41:56,130 --> 00:42:00,140 "first-degree murder of Lexi Olinksy, guilty. 786 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,050 "On the fifth count, 787 00:42:02,070 --> 00:42:07,050 "first-degree murder of Alexis Atkinson, guilty. 788 00:42:07,070 --> 00:42:08,550 "On the sixth count, 789 00:42:08,570 --> 00:42:12,710 first-degree murder of Sam Aliro, guilty"... 57195

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