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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:03,960 (Narrator) Every fraud begins with a promise. 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,320 (Vicky Thakordas-Desai) She paid for their weddings. 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,960 She paid for various trips. 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,960 She wanted to look after them as best as she could. 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:13,960 (Narrator) A quick fortune, easy money, 6 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:15,960 or a life transformed overnight? 7 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,960 She would have left a reasonable estate behind. 8 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:21,960 It would have been a sizeable sum of money. 9 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:23,960 (Narrator) But behind these illusions lie 10 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,960 calculated deceptions, carefully hidden in plain sight. 11 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,640 It's not uncommon for us to see economic abuse 12 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,320 mixed with psychological abuse or coercive control. 13 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,960 It's relatively easy with online banking 14 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:42,320 for someone to help or coerce someone into transferring 15 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,960 money out of their investments into another bank account. 16 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,960 (Narrator) Sometimes these criminals are backed into a corner 17 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,800 and feel their only way out is to kill. 18 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,960 (Sheila Anderson) I just felt very, very sad 19 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,960 that somebody would want money so desperately that you'd 20 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,960 have to end somebody's life. 21 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,960 (suspenseful music) 22 00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:16,960 (distant siren wailing) 23 00:01:16,960 --> 00:01:18,960 (bright music) 24 00:01:18,960 --> 00:01:20,960 (Emma Wilson) My name is Emma Wilson, 25 00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:22,000 and I'm a fire scientist. 26 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,960 I investigate fires, usually on behalf of the police, 27 00:01:25,960 --> 00:01:28,640 usually the primary investigator. 28 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,960 So I attend a fire scene when I'm invited to 29 00:01:31,960 --> 00:01:35,960 to work out where it started, how it started, and if possible, 30 00:01:35,960 --> 00:01:38,960 to help with who might have started it, if there is a who. 31 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:40,960 (tense music) 32 00:01:40,960 --> 00:01:45,480 (Narrator) In the early hours of December 15, 2021, 33 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,640 a fire was reported in the suburbs of Newark, Nottinghamshire. 34 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,000 (tense music) 35 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,960 I first got involved in this case when I was contacted 36 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:55,960 by Nottinghamshire Police. 37 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,960 I was told that it was a domestic fire, 38 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,800 that there had been a fatality. 39 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,960 The victim's name was Elizabeth Vamplew. 40 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:05,960 (tense music) 41 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,960 I was told that it had been investigated by a team initially, 42 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,960 but their findings were inconclusive, 43 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,000 and that they needed a second opinion in order to be able 44 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:22,480 to confirm the route that the investigation should go. 45 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:26,960 (Narrator) Elizabeth Vamplew was a 77-year-old mother and grandmother, 46 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,960 and a familiar face amongst the tight-knit community 47 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,960 of her quiet cul-de-sac. 48 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:34,640 (Sheila) I'm Sheila Anderson. 49 00:02:34,640 --> 00:02:37,960 I was born and Broadnook, and I came 50 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,960 down here to live in a bungalow because of my disability. 51 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,960 Elizabeth was a very, very lovely woman. 52 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,320 When I opened the paper and I saw that, I was really shocked. 53 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:49,960 I couldn't believe it. 54 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,960 It was just something that you don't hear of all the time, 55 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:54,160 not it like that. 56 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:58,160 (unsettling music) 57 00:02:58,160 --> 00:02:59,960 My name is Poppy Everton. 58 00:02:59,960 --> 00:03:02,960 I work for Hourglass Safer Ageing. 59 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,160 Elizabeth was a really warm and caring person, 60 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,960 somebody that was always going out of her way to support and help 61 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,960 the people around her and her loved ones. 62 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,960 She was a devoted mother and grandmother, 63 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,960 really enjoyed spending time with her grandkids. 64 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,480 That was when she was at her happiest. 65 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,960 She ultimately loved Christmas, and her family 66 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,160 often talk about how that time of year brought her such joy. 67 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,960 Very, very well liked amongst family, friends, 68 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:30,960 and the community as a whole. 69 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:32,960 (Narrator) Elizabeth was most happy tending 70 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,960 her small but well-kept garden 71 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,160 and spoiling her three beloved grandchildren. 72 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,960 We also know that Elizabeth would help with money or gifts 73 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,960 for her family, whether that be at birthdays, Christmases, 74 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:51,480 and just making sure that they felt supported by her. 75 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,960 My name is Dr Vicky Thakordas-Desai 76 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,960 and I am a consultant forensic psychologist. 77 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:58,960 (tense music) 78 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:03,800 Elizabeth seemed to be a doting and caring mother. 79 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:04,960 She clearly loved her children. 80 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:06,960 She wanted the best for them. 81 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,960 She had supported them financially. 82 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:10,960 She paid for their weddings, 83 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,000 she paid for various trips for them, 84 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,960 and it just seemed that she wanted to look 85 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:18,160 after them as best as she could. 86 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,960 (Narrator) Elizabeth suffered from limited mobility 87 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:25,480 and required visits from nurses twice a day. 88 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,960 My name is Peter Joyce, King's Counsel, 89 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,480 and I was the lead prosecutor in the case. 90 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,960 Elizabeth was very disabled. 91 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:35,960 Her breathing was poor. 92 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:37,960 Her mobility was very poor. 93 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:38,960 She had to go around in a wheelchair. 94 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,960 She was put to bed. 95 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:42,960 She was got up. 96 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:44,160 She was basically looked after. 97 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,960 She was all but bedbound, but not quite. 98 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:50,960 (Narrator) One of Elizabeth's nurses was 99 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,960 her daughter-in-law, Karen Vamplew. 100 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,000 (Sheila) Actually, I've bumped into Karen a time or two, 101 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,960 and I've spoken to her, and we just said hello, 102 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:06,960 and she just seemed an ordinary person like myself. 103 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,640 (Poppy) Karen was an informal carer for Elizabeth, 104 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,960 so although Elizabeth had paid carers coming in, 105 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,320 Karen was helping her with particular things 106 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,960 that she may have needed support with. 107 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,960 (Vicky) By Karen regularly checking in on Elizabeth 108 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,960 and being present for her, it seems that Elizabeth 109 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,000 would have felt a sense of trust and safety around Karen. 110 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,960 Here was somebody who was looking after her, 111 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,960 who wanted to ensure her well-being. 112 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,320 (Narrator) Karen Vamplew was a 41-year-old 113 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:43,480 mother of four who was known to have financial difficulties. 114 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:48,960 Karen Vamplew was married to Elizabeth Vamplew's son. 115 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:50,800 Karen had trouble making ends meet. 116 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,960 There's no question about that. 117 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,960 (Vicky) Chronic financial stress can be 118 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:57,960 very debilitating for an individual. 119 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,960 So the level of pressure that she would have been 120 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:07,960 under to pay off her debts, to support her family 121 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:09,960 would have been immense. 122 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:17,960 (Narrator) At 1:25 AM on December 15, 2021, 123 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,960 Karen Vamplew called emergency services 124 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,960 to report a fire at Elizabeth's home. 125 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:25,960 (siren wailing) 126 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:31,960 The version of events given by Karen was that she had woken up 127 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:33,960 in the early hours of the morning, 128 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:38,800 had become nervous around her mother-in-law, 129 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,960 and wanted to check on her. 130 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,320 She drove to the property, said that when she got there, 131 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,960 she had realised she'd forgotten her keys 132 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,960 and couldn't remember the number for the key safe. 133 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:51,960 She said she'd gone there to look because she 134 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,320 had not had a call from Elizabeth. 135 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,960 (Emma) So she tried to raise her mother-in-law 136 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,960 by knocking on the door and the windows, 137 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,960 and could not get any attention. 138 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:03,960 But she also doesn't describe seeing, hearing, 139 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,960 or smelling anything else at that time. 140 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:08,000 My understanding is that she was initially 141 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,960 present for a significant period of time, 142 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,960 when she couldn't find her keys and couldn't access the key lock, 143 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:14,960 according to her. 144 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,960 She then says that she goes back home to retrieve her key, 145 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,960 but that she'd only left the area for around 10 minutes, 146 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:23,960 and then returned. 147 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:25,640 And when she returns, 148 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,480 she opens the front door to Elizabeth's bungalow 149 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,960 and immediately sees smoke. 150 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:32,960 She said she'd found the fire light. 151 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:37,960 She said that she'd gone in and pressed an alarm button. 152 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,960 (Emma) Then Karen immediately contacts the fire service. 153 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:42,960 (tense music) 154 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:44,960 (siren wailing) 155 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,960 (Narrator) Fire services took just five minutes to respond, 156 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:53,960 arriving at Elizabeth's home at 1:30 AM. 157 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,960 When the fire service arrive, Karen has then explained 158 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,960 to the fire crews and the fire investigator that 159 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:03,960 her mother-in-law was a heavy smoker 160 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,800 and had a habit of smoking in bed. 161 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,960 (Narrator) When firemen entered the blazing property, 162 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:14,960 they encountered intense heat and smoke two feet from the floor. 163 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:19,640 They found Elizabeth crouched at the foot of her bed. 164 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,960 Elizabeth had to be rescued by two very brave 165 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,960 firemen who got her out alive, despite the fact 166 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,960 she was grievously injured. 167 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,960 She was saying something about cigarettes 168 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,960 to the nurse at the hospital. 169 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,640 (Narrator) Elizabeth was suffering from burns to 80% of her body 170 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,160 and from the effects of smoke inhalation. 171 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,960 Elizabeth was recovered outside by the firefighters 172 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,960 and actually was later taken to hospital, and died there. 173 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:56,800 (Sheila) All over the television, Facebook, social media, 174 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,960 and in the "Newark Advertiser." 175 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:00,960 And it was in the "Newark Advertiser" that 176 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,960 I read all about it properly. 177 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:08,960 I feel very, very sad that the lady had to die. 178 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,960 (unsettling music) 179 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,800 (Narrator) On December 15, 2021, 180 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,960 77-year-old Elizabeth Vamplew died 181 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,160 after being rescued from her burning home. 182 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,960 And police immediately launched an investigation. 183 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,960 (Emma) When I was first told that there had been a fatality, 184 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,320 I was told that she was an elderly lady who lived 185 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,160 in an address on her own, 186 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,960 that she had carers come to help her 187 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,960 on a daily basis in the morning and in the evening, 188 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:47,960 and that she was largely bedbound and needed help to move around. 189 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:52,960 I was also told that she had a son and a daughter-in-law who were 190 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,960 part of her family group, and that her daughter-in-law was 191 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,960 part of her care group at times, as well. 192 00:09:59,960 --> 00:10:03,320 (unsettling music) 193 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,960 (Narrator) In the initial stages of the investigation, 194 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,960 police had little evidence to suggest the fire was 195 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,000 not caused by Elizabeth dropping a cigarette in her bedroom. 196 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,960 The information that Karen Vamplew gave 197 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,960 to the fire investigation team at that initial stage 198 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,960 was that Elizabeth was a very heavy smoker 199 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:24,960 and tended to smoke in bed. 200 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,960 However, information from the carers was 201 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,800 that she did not smoke in her bed. 202 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,960 She smoked once in the morning and once in the evening. 203 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:38,960 Elizabeth was quite canny in some ways, 204 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:43,480 because she pretended she didn't smoke, but did, 205 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,960 and hid the cigarette ends in the kitchen 206 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:48,960 or smoked outside the door. 207 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,960 But she was also very careful about smoking 208 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,960 because whenever she finished her cigarette, 209 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:58,000 she would put it out under a tap and hide it away to get rid of it. 210 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,640 (Emma) The information about smoking in her bed 211 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,960 was only ever received from Karen, so that was the route 212 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,480 that the initial investigation team followed, 213 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,320 that she was a heavy smoker. 214 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,960 Their conclusion was that the fire was most likely the cause 215 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,960 of a dropped lit cigarette in the bed. 216 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:16,960 (tense music) 217 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:18,960 (Narrator) As part of the initial investigation, 218 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,960 both Elizabeth's son and daughter-in-law Karen 219 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,960 were questioned by police. 220 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:29,960 He was very angry that that had happened to him. 221 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,960 Quite clearly, being at home on the night of his mother's death, 222 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:34,960 there was nothing to do with him. 223 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,960 (Narrator) Police were particularly interested in questioning 224 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,960 Karen about her movements on the night Elizabeth died. 225 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:43,960 She said she'd gone there to look 226 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:45,960 because she had not had a call from Elizabeth. 227 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,960 Her account was she found the fire 228 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:50,960 and had gone round by chance that night. 229 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:52,960 That was the basic story. 230 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:57,960 There was CCTV evidence of her leaving her home. 231 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,960 There was evidence of her car arriving and being parked 232 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,640 quite near to Elizabeth's home. 233 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:09,960 There was CCTV evidence of her running away from the first visit 234 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:14,000 back to her car... not walking, running. 235 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,160 There was CCTV evidence of her getting home 236 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,960 carrying what looked like a towel. 237 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,480 There was more CCTV evidence of her coming out of her house, 238 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:27,320 again, about two minutes later, having changed, 239 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,960 and going back, purporting then to find the house on fire. 240 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,960 (Narrator) Police also discovered Karen contacted 241 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,960 the home insurance company the very day 242 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,960 that Elizabeth had died in the fire. 243 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,160 Karen contacted the insurers on the same day 244 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:48,960 her mother-in-law dies, and it really just shows 245 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,480 how insensitive she was to the situation. 246 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,960 But equally, it raised suspicions. 247 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,960 (tense music) 248 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,000 (Narrator) In early 2022, police decided 249 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,960 to take a more detailed look into Karen Vamplew's background. 250 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:07,960 (Emma) I was given very little detail 251 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:09,960 about the background of the case. 252 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,960 It helps me to remain unbiased. 253 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,960 Since my initial examination of the information, 254 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,960 my understanding is that there was some fraud aspect 255 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:24,960 to it involving financial gain of Karen 256 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,960 taking money from Elizabeth. 257 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,960 Karen was hard up, no question. 258 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:36,960 Karen Vamplew's main interest in life, it seemed to me, 259 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,480 was actually money for Karen. 260 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:40,960 (tense music) 261 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,960 Karen needed Elizabeth's money to make ends meet, 262 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,960 to maintain her lifestyle with her husband and kids. 263 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,960 (Narrator) Despite having no previous criminal record, 264 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:53,960 police discovered that Karen had been accused 265 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,960 of financial misdealings in the past. 266 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,160 (Peter Joyce) She'd had a previous relationship, which had ended, 267 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,960 when it was suggested that she'd taken money. 268 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:05,960 And she then dumped that particular friend 269 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,960 or male friend when that came out. 270 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,960 She wasn't charged with anything about that, 271 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,640 but she was investigated about it. 272 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,160 (Narrator) Police also discovered 273 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,960 that in the weeks leading up to her death, 274 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:20,960 Karen made a number of cash withdrawals 275 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:22,960 from Elizabeth's account. 276 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:24,960 I looked at all the banking evidence. 277 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,960 I looked at the evidence of Elizabeth's expenses, 278 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:30,960 which we saw down the years. 279 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:32,960 Some of the material that she'd given to Karen 280 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,800 or money she'd given to Karen were legitimate, but very few. 281 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,960 (tense music) 282 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:45,320 My name is Fiona Hotston Moore, and I'm a forensic accountant 283 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,960 and expert witness. 284 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,960 Typically, when we're looking at someone like Elizabeth 285 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:51,960 and they're a bit older 286 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,960 and perhaps spending a lot of time at home, 287 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,960 we expect to see fairly modest expenditure. 288 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:02,960 We would see small amounts for looking after themselves, 289 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,960 maybe the odd gift to the family members, 290 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:07,960 and then regular payments to their carers. 291 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,800 So it's a very consistent pattern. 292 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:13,960 (Poppy) When Karen was interviewed by police 293 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:15,960 several times, at a certain point, 294 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,160 it was disclosed that some of the bills 295 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:22,480 for Karen and her husband were actually in Elizabeth's name. 296 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,960 And the reason that was given for this was that, 297 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:26,960 ultimately, the company was potentially 298 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,960 going to cut Karen and her partner off due to the debts, 299 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,160 potentially, that had accrued already. 300 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,000 And so they had put this in Elizabeth's name. 301 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,480 Karen did mention that Elizabeth was aware of this. 302 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,960 If I was looking at the records and I noticed that someone was 303 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,160 paying someone else's bills, 304 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,800 then that could potentially be a red flag. 305 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:49,960 Why would they be paying them? 306 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:51,960 It could be out of the kindness of their heart, 307 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,960 but it could suggest that actually they weren't aware they were 308 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:55,960 paying someone else's bills, 309 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,160 or there was a level of coercion going on. 310 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,960 (Narrator) When police examined Elizabeth's bank statements, 311 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,800 the number of unusual cash withdrawals led 312 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,960 investigators to suspect that Elizabeth had 313 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,960 been the victim of economic abuse. 314 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,320 I think older people, the most common form of abuse 315 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:16,960 is economic abuse. 316 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,960 It's often for some form of financial gain. 317 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:21,960 So it's not uncommon for us to see economic abuse 318 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,960 mixed with psychological abuse or coercive control. 319 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,960 (soft music) 320 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,160 (Peter) Karen was one of Elizabeth's carers. 321 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:36,960 Karen played on that to have access to Elizabeth's finances. 322 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,960 Often the power dynamic when there are care and support needs 323 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:46,960 for the victims can be worrying when that person who's delivering 324 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,960 that care and support is ultimately somebody 325 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:51,960 who has their own gain in mind. 326 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,960 And somebody who needs that level of care and support 327 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,960 is going to be very dependent on that person 328 00:16:57,960 --> 00:16:59,960 to provide that for them. 329 00:16:59,960 --> 00:17:02,960 And unfortunately, that puts them in the perfect position 330 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:04,960 to exploit that power. 331 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:06,960 Karen was in a trusted position. 332 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,160 She was supporting Elizabeth, 333 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,960 and it is possible that because she was 334 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,480 helping her in her day-to-day activities, 335 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,960 that she felt entitled to something from Elizabeth 336 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,960 and entitled to that money. 337 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,000 (Poppy) Karen admitted in a police interview 338 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,480 that she felt that Elizabeth was quite well off, 339 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,960 money wise, in her opinion. 340 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,960 And ultimately, Elizabeth was in a position 341 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,960 where she owned the bungalow that she lived in. 342 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,960 She was able to pay independently for carers, 343 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:40,960 for a cleaner, for a gardener. 344 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,960 And to Karen, who was 345 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:47,160 in significant financial dire straits, ultimately, 346 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,960 this would have potentially been an area of real resentment. 347 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,960 (unsettling music) 348 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,960 (Narrator) Police discovered around April 2021, 349 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:03,320 Elizabeth had approximately £27,000 in her bank account. 350 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,960 But the balance began to dwindle soon after Karen 351 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,960 became Elizabeth's nurse. 352 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,480 It's relatively easy with online banking 353 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:17,960 for someone to help or coerce someone into transferring 354 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,960 money out of their investments into another bank account. 355 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,960 And it's potentially difficult to trace that 356 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,960 happening until it's happened. 357 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,960 (Peter) It shows a gradual denuding of the account 358 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,960 of Elizabeth's money and going down, and down, and down. 359 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:37,960 And you could see transactions happening 360 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,960 which clearly for Karen's benefit. 361 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:42,960 Karen was doing much of her shopping and things 362 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:44,960 on Elizabeth's account. 363 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:46,960 She had access to the card. 364 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:48,960 We could see where the money had been spent, 365 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,960 and then you could see how the account had been, 366 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:56,960 basically, reduced over the months 367 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,960 from the moment Karen became a carer with the card. 368 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:02,960 (tense music) 369 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:04,960 (Vicky) It is possible that Karen started 370 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,960 to rationalise in her own mind 371 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,960 that she was entitled to some of this money. 372 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:10,960 She was caring for Elizabeth. 373 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:12,960 She was checking in on her. 374 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,640 She was doing her day-to-day errands. 375 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,320 So Karen may have felt a sense 376 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,960 of entitlement to those funds. 377 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,960 (tense music) 378 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,960 (Poppy) Hourglass did a piece of research a few years ago, 379 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,960 and one in four people that were spoken to 380 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:33,960 did not think that taking money 381 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:35,960 from an older relative's bank account 382 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:40,640 or precious items from their home counted as abuse. 383 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:45,960 And this is, unfortunately, a societal issue as a whole. 384 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,960 This notion of entitlement that if you provide care 385 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,960 and support for somebody, you are entitled to money, 386 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,960 you're entitled to belongings it's just not true. 387 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,960 You provide care and support for somebody in your family 388 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,960 because you want to provide care and support for them. 389 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:03,960 That doesn't come with strings attached, 390 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,000 or it shouldn't come with strings attached. 391 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,160 But ultimately, people do feel entitled 392 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,480 to some form of gain from that. 393 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,960 And that's where these situations in domestic abuse 394 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,960 can really escalate and the risk can really escalate. 395 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:18,960 (tense music) 396 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,960 (Fiona) In cases such as Elizabeth's, 397 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,960 we would also look at their wider financial investment. 398 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:25,960 So we'd be looking at any ISAs 399 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,960 and savings and so on that they've got, 400 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,960 and seeing whether those ISAs and savings were still there. 401 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:33,960 Or was there evidence that actually those had 402 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,960 been drawn from as well? 403 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:37,960 (Narrator) Police also discovered that 404 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,960 in the days leading up to her death, 405 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,960 £10,000 was withdrawn 406 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,640 from Elizabeth's individual savings account, known as an ISA. 407 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:48,960 (tense music) 408 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,960 (Poppy) This essentially goes 409 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,960 to show the access that Karen does have, 410 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,960 not only to Elizabeth's account. 411 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,960 But we have to think about 412 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:01,960 how she may have coerced that from Elizabeth 413 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,960 and what the conversations may have been to lead to that, 414 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,960 whether it's emotional manipulation, 415 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,480 whether it's coercive control and the level of threat there. 416 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,960 There are lots and lots of ways that people can use 417 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,960 to essentially manipulate and exploit older people 418 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,960 for financial gain. 419 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:20,800 (unsettling music) 420 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,960 (Vicky) Karen was in a position of trust. 421 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,320 Elizabeth had trusted her with access to her accounts. 422 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,960 And over time, Karen took advantage of that trust 423 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:35,320 and drained Elizabeth's account of her savings. 424 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:40,960 This tells me that Karen had really started to see Elizabeth 425 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,960 as a means to an end. 426 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,960 Elizabeth was a financial source for her. 427 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:52,960 It seems that Karen had stopped seeing Elizabeth as a human being, 428 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,960 and she was reduced to an object that could 429 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,640 satisfy her own needs and desires. 430 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,960 (tense music) 431 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:09,960 (Narrator) During their investigation 432 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,960 into Elizabeth Vamplew's death, police discovered that 433 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,960 the day before Elizabeth died in the house fire, 434 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:22,000 Karen Vamplew accompanied her mother-in-law to the bank. 435 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:26,480 (Peter) The bank was saying, before we authorise funds, 436 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,960 any more payments on the card, 437 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,960 we want to see the older Mrs Vamplew, 438 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,960 in other words, Elizabeth, to see whether or not 439 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,960 she was being taken advantage of by the user of the card. 440 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,960 Elizabeth was bedbound, 441 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,960 and Karen did something with regard to the phone 442 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,960 that stopped the bank getting in touch directly with Elizabeth, 443 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,960 like turning off the answering machine, something like that. 444 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,960 But she prevented the bank getting directly to Elizabeth 445 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,960 while she, Karen, was milking the account. 446 00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:02,960 (Narrator) When the bank were unable to speak with Elizabeth 447 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,960 on the phone, the bank limited Elizabeth's spending 448 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,960 to just £5 per transaction. 449 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,960 And that's when the bank put a stop on the card. 450 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,960 And effectively, that's when the goose stopped 451 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,960 laying the golden egg. 452 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,960 It's also the time, I think, when Elizabeth first 453 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,960 became really aware as to just how extensive 454 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,480 Karen's raiding of her account had been. 455 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,960 (Poppy) On the 14th of December, 2021, 456 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,960 Karen accompanied Elizabeth to the bank. 457 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,960 And this is something that we may see in situations where 458 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,960 that perpetrator will attend appointments, 459 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,960 whether at a bank, a GP surgery, 460 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,960 with social care, with that victim, 461 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,960 because ultimately, what this does is, 462 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,960 if that victim is concerned that something's going on 463 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,960 or something untoward may be happening, 464 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,320 particularly with their finances, because Karen went with Elizabeth, 465 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,960 it leaves very little room for any disclosures 466 00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:02,960 to be made to bank staff, or to any other professionals 467 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,640 that we see in these situations, as well. 468 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:06,960 (tense music) 469 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,960 (Peter) And it's almost certain 470 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,960 that that was the first time that Elizabeth really understood 471 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,320 just how Karen had been milking Elizabeth's account, 472 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,960 because there was virtually nothing left in it. 473 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,960 It was very, very depleted by her daughter-in-law. 474 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,960 For the first time, Elizabeth knew just what 475 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,960 had been happening to her money. 476 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,960 (tense music) 477 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:33,960 (Narrator) After examining bank records, 478 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,960 police discovered that in just eight months, 479 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,960 Elizabeth's account balance dropped 480 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:43,800 from £27,000 to £105. 481 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,960 It's very likely that during that trip to the bank, 482 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:51,640 Elizabeth realised how much money had been taken out of her account, 483 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,000 the vast differences with what should be in there, 484 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,320 to her knowledge, and what was actually in the account. 485 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:58,960 And it may be at that point, 486 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,000 she has become aware that she has been exploited 487 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,960 by her daughter-in-law, Karen. 488 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,960 And ultimately, in that moment, you have to consider 489 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,960 the horror, the betrayal, the concerns about money worries. 490 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,960 Because not only has this been done 491 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,160 by somebody in a position of trust and somebody within the family, 492 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,320 so that betrayal is going to be very much overwhelming. 493 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,960 (Narrator) The trip to the bank was less than 24 hours before the fire 494 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,960 that would take Elizabeth's life. 495 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,960 There was not really much time for Elizabeth to react, 496 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,960 and if she was made aware during that trip to the bank, 497 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,800 the financial economic abuse that was happening 498 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,960 from her daughter-in-law, it is quite suspicious 499 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,960 that the incident happened the following day. 500 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,960 And similarly, something that we see as a charity, 501 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,640 when there are grandchildren in a situation, 502 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,960 an older person may not choose to report to the police, 503 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,960 because ultimately, they do not want to criminalise the parents 504 00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:01,800 of their grandchildren. 505 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,000 (Peter) The day after the visit to the bank, 506 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,160 two things happened, I think. 507 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,160 Elizabeth found out what had been happening, 508 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,800 and the day after, the money had ceased for Karen. 509 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,960 Elizabeth had ceased to be of use to Karen. 510 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,160 She was only a burden now in terms of having to care for her, 511 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,960 and so she killed her. 512 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,960 (dramatic music) 513 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,960 (flames crackling) 514 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,960 (Narrator) With police now believing that Elizabeth was 515 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,960 the victim of economic abuse before she died, 516 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,960 fire expert Emma Wilson was brought in to determine exactly where 517 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,960 and how the fire was started. 518 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,960 The damage at the bungalow was relatively limited. 519 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:52,960 It was primarily restricted to the bedroom that Elizabeth used. 520 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,960 There was some damage that had come out 521 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,960 into the hallway of the bungalow, 522 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,000 and some smoke damage had spread to some of the rooms 523 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,160 where doors had been open. 524 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,960 However, information from the carers was that 525 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,960 she did not smoke in her bed. 526 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,960 (Peter) Elizabeth didn't take cigarettes into her bedroom. 527 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,800 She normally smoked at the kitchen door 528 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,960 so the smell would not invade the house. 529 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,960 She didn't want the smell in the house, 530 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,320 which was another feature why you wouldn't 531 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,000 have her smoking in her bedroom. 532 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,960 And she always took great care to get rid 533 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,160 of the evidence of having smoked. 534 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,960 (Narrator) Emma was also sceptical of Karen Vamplew's account 535 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,480 that she hadn't noticed the fire when she first arrived 536 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,960 at her mother in law's home. 537 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,960 So Karen's story didn't make sense, 538 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:42,960 because if she had been outside that front door of the bungalow 539 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,960 10 minutes prior to her entering it 540 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,960 and alerting the fire service to a large flaming fire, 541 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,960 I would have expected her to have heard the smoke detector, 542 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,800 smelled smoke or seen smoke as she looked through the letter slot, 543 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,960 and, therefore, to have alerted the fire service at that point 544 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,800 of a fire within the property. 545 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,960 As a fire scientist, my issue with that is, 546 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,960 there is a difference in the way that flaming fires 547 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,960 and smouldering fires burn. 548 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,960 Smouldering fires develop with large amounts 549 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,960 of smoke, but no flames. 550 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,960 They can take a minimum of 10 minutes on the right materials, 551 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,960 but more likely 20, 30 minutes, or several hours 552 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,960 to develop into a flaming fire. 553 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,960 Whereas a flaming fire, or a fire started by a lighter or a match, 554 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,960 that continues as a flaming fire for its entire duration 555 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,960 and only takes minutes to really take hold. 556 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,960 So there is a big difference in the timing factors 557 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,960 of those different types of fires. 558 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,960 (Narrator) Emma Wilson and the forensic team examined 559 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,000 photographic evidence from the fire 560 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,160 to determine if she believed the fire had been started 561 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,640 by Elizabeth smoking in bed. 562 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,000 The only evidence of smoking materials that I saw in the images 563 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,960 was in the kitchen. 564 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,960 (Peter) They went into great detail as to where the fire had started. 565 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,480 I mean, they looked in the kitchen for things 566 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,960 like cigarettes and the ashtray. 567 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,160 I did ask the initial investigation team 568 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,960 if they found anything amongst the debris. 569 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,960 The reason I asked that is because when something like a lighter 570 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,960 is burnt in a fire, it doesn't look like a lighter anymore. 571 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,160 All you have are the metallic parts. 572 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,960 So you have the lighter shroud, you have the flint wheel, 573 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,960 but you don't have the plastic bodies. 574 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,480 I asked the initial investigation team 575 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,320 if they'd found anything like that, 576 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,960 and they said they had not. 577 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,160 (Narrator) The forensic team decided to carry out 578 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,960 a series of tests to replicate the start of the fire 579 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,960 using samples of Elizabeth's bedding. 580 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,960 (Emma) As part of their investigation, 581 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,960 they did carry out some laboratory-based burning tests. 582 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,960 These were small-scale tests based on fragments of the bedding 583 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,960 and the mattress recovered from the scene. 584 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,960 The tests that were done, however, were inconclusive. 585 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,960 This is likely because there had been a fire. 586 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,960 Firefighters had extinguished the fire with quite a lot of water, 587 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,960 so the materials that they used were 588 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,960 no longer in their primary state. 589 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,960 So they were wet, and they'd probably 590 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,960 suffered from being packaged in plastic packaging 591 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,960 for a while afterwards, as well. 592 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,960 (tense music) 593 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,960 The conclusion that they reached was that with those materials, 594 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,480 it did not cause a fire, 595 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,000 but given that they had been altered 596 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,640 by the addition of firefighting water, 597 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,960 that they couldn't be sure that under other conditions, 598 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,960 such as the materials being dry, 599 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,800 that it could not have caused a fire. 600 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,160 (unsettling music) 601 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,960 (Narrator) Emma Wilson decided to carry out 602 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,960 more elaborate tests to determine the cause of the fire. 603 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,960 I made two recommendations. 604 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:58,960 One recommendation was to carry out a new series of burning tests, 605 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:03,960 to use dry materials that were the same or as similar 606 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,960 as possible to those that Elizabeth had in her property. 607 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,960 And that meant getting the same type of mattress, 608 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,640 getting bedding of the same type, and also washing it, 609 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,960 and making sure that it had some wear to it 610 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,480 so that it wasn't brand new, 611 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,320 and then setting up a burning test so that we could see 612 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,960 whether or not, on these dry materials that were 613 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,960 as close as possible to the ones Elizabeth had, 614 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,000 whether or not we could start a fire using a cigarette. 615 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,480 (tense music) 616 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:32,960 They did all sorts of tests. 617 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,960 They did do tests with the fire expert. 618 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,000 They did it in a shipping container with identical mattress, 619 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,960 identical things. 620 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,320 They needed to prove that 621 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,160 Elizabeth hadn't set fire to the bed herself. 622 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,960 (tense music) 623 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,160 (Emma) We set up a mattress with the bedding. 624 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,480 We carry out several tests using cigarettes, 625 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,960 all of the same brand that Elizabeth smoked. 626 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,960 We would light them and we would put them in different positions 627 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,960 within the bedding. 628 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,960 That included partial covering with the duvet. 629 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,960 That included putting it on the pillow 630 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,160 and on the mattress with the sheet on it itself. 631 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,160 So we did several tests, and none of them 632 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,480 initiated even a smouldering fire. 633 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,960 The final test that we carried out involved 634 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,000 applying a flame to the corner of the bed, 635 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,480 and that initiated a fire immediately. 636 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,960 (tense music) 637 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,800 The fire that we lit caused fire damage in a very similar pattern 638 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,960 to what could be seen in Elizabeth's bedroom. 639 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,960 (tense music) 640 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,800 It was my opinion in my review process 641 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,000 that this was not an accidental death at that stage. 642 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,960 So it means that somebody set the fire, 643 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,960 rather than it being a dropped lit cigarette. 644 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,640 (tense music) 645 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,960 I think it was at this point that the investigation team were 646 00:32:54,960 --> 00:33:00,320 confident that they could say that this fire was caused by a person 647 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,960 applying a flame to the bedding. 648 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,960 (tense music) 649 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,480 They completely disproved any idea that a cigarette... 650 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,800 a lit cigarette could have caused the fire to Elizabeth's bed. 651 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,960 And they proved that the only way the fire could have been started 652 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:20,480 was by a live flame ignition. 653 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,640 (tense music) 654 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,800 (Narrator) On September 27, 2023, 655 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,800 Karen Vamplew is re-arrested and charged with the murder 656 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,960 of her mother-in-law, Elizabeth. 657 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,960 Having spoken to two CPS lawyers, I think, 658 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,960 it was quite apparent, having spoken to them, 659 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,960 that they'd come to the conclusion she should be prosecuted. 660 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,960 I'm bound to say my reaction was exactly the same. 661 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:49,960 She must be. 662 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,960 And the fact that Elizabeth 663 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,960 was bed bound at the top of the bed 664 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,960 and the fire started at the foot of the bed 665 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,960 clearly meant that someone else had lit it. 666 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,960 The case was with a lighter. 667 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,960 (tense music) 668 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,960 The report proved that it was caused by naked flame. 669 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,960 Now, that would not have been, and could not have been 670 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,000 at the foot of the bed done by Elizabeth. 671 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,960 So there's one obvious person. 672 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,960 Karen. 673 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,960 (tense music) 674 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,960 (suspenseful music) 675 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,960 (Narrator) In April 2024, Karen Vamplew stood trial 676 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:36,960 at Leicester Crown Court 677 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,960 for the murder of her mother-in-law, Elizabeth Vamplew. 678 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,000 (Peter) It was emotion. 679 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,960 The emotion in the dock was the defendant looking at photographs 680 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:46,960 of her children throughout. 681 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,960 The emotion in the public gallery was her husband. 682 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,960 (Vicky) Karen would have known that 683 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,960 by killing Elizabeth, that was going to bring 684 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,960 a tremendous amount of grief and loss 685 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,960 to her husband and the family. 686 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:06,960 Yet, it seems that she justified her actions by convincing herself 687 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,960 that the ends justified the means, 688 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,960 that her husband was going to inherit the money, 689 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,960 that Elizabeth was old and frail, 690 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,960 and that removing that pain for her, 691 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,960 it is possible that she justified all of those things. 692 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,640 (Narrator) Despite pleading not guilty, 693 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,640 Karen Vamplew did not give evidence in court. 694 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,960 (Peter) But she didn't come out at the dock. 695 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,960 She didn't give evidence. 696 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,960 She didn't risk giving evidence and risk being cross-examined 697 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,960 about the overwhelming case that, in the end, we had against her 698 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:48,320 because there was no satisfactory answer she could give. 699 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,320 She couldn't possibly have answered 700 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,960 the questions I was going to have for her, 701 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,480 so she didn't come out. 702 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,960 (tense music) 703 00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,960 (Vicky) Despite the evidence against her, 704 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:03,800 Karen protested her innocence. 705 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,640 And that can be for a number of reasons. 706 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,960 It's a method of self-protection and self-survival. 707 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,960 Again, Karen may also have had the dawning of realisation 708 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,960 that she's killed a family member, 709 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,960 she's killed a mother-in-law, and the significant impact 710 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,960 that that's going to have on her family. 711 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,960 (tense music) 712 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,960 (Narrator) After a 21-month investigation, 713 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,960 the prosecution argued money was Karen's motive 714 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,960 for killing Elizabeth. 715 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,960 (dramatic music) 716 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,960 (Peter) We could prove that Karen had 717 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,480 been taking money from Elizabeth. 718 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,960 What I was really interested in proving was that she killed her. 719 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,960 If you're prosecuting a case, you don't actually need a motive 720 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,960 so long as you can prove the killing. 721 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,960 I was proving the killing because that's what she was charged with. 722 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,960 She wasn't charged with fraud. 723 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,480 That was the motive for the killing. 724 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,960 (dramatic music) 725 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,960 (Narrator) During the trial, Elizabeth's financial records were 726 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,960 shown to the jury to illustrate the depth 727 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,960 of the financial abuse she suffered in the weeks before her death. 728 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,960 (Fiona Hotston Moore) In cases like Elizabeth's case, 729 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:18,960 we would be obtaining the banking records of the victim 730 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,480 over a number of years, and we would be analysing them 731 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,320 to see what was their typical areas that they spent money on, 732 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,960 to try and get a feel for how much they typically spent in a year, 733 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,960 and in which areas they spent it. 734 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,960 And then we would be looking for changes 735 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,960 in those trends of expenditure. 736 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,960 So are there now larger amounts, perhaps, 737 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,960 being withdrawn from the bank or cash transactions? 738 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,800 And who is making those withdrawals, 739 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:46,960 if we can actually tell? 740 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,960 And what might be the reason for those? 741 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,960 So those would be the telltale red flags. 742 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,800 (tense music) 743 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,960 (Narrator) During the trial, the prosecution also 744 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,960 highlighted the number of inconsistencies 745 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:02,960 in Karen's version of what happened the night Elizabeth died. 746 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,800 She told friends different things. 747 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,960 She told her husband different things. 748 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,960 She told family different things. 749 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,960 She had been lying to all these people about what had happened, 750 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,960 the order of events, who'd gone where, 751 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,960 when she'd found the fire, and so on. 752 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,960 She'd just been lying to her friends and family throughout. 753 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,960 And they basically felt betrayed. 754 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,960 (tense music) 755 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,480 Karen had spun a web of lies. 756 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,960 Her stories were inconsistent, her accounts were discrepant, 757 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,960 and investigators would have picked up on that 758 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,960 and used that to their advantage. 759 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,960 (Narrator) The prosecution argued that once she had drained 760 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,960 Elizabeth's account of all her funds, 761 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:55,960 Karen set fire to Elizabeth's home because she believed her husband 762 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,960 would inherit half of her mother-in-law's estate, 763 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,960 thought to be worth around £150,000. 764 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,320 I think she probably hoped that her husband would get 765 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,960 a part of his mother's will, and she, Karen, 766 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,960 would benefit from it, because she would have left 767 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,960 a reasonable estate behind, as well. 768 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,960 It would have been a sizable sum of money for Karen's husband 769 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,960 and Karen's sister-in-law, which no doubt Karen would 770 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,960 have hoped to have benefited from. 771 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,960 (sombre music) 772 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,960 (Vicky) Karen had rationalised in her mind 773 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,960 that she needed the money, and that someday, 774 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,960 her husband was going to inherit that money. 775 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,960 She needed the money there and then, 776 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,960 so she... there is evidence of her using identity fraud 777 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,960 and taking money from Elizabeth's account 778 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,960 to fund her own lifestyle. 779 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:53,480 Her actions became desensitised, and she started to morally justify 780 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,960 in her own mind why taking money from Elizabeth 781 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,960 at this stage in her life was appropriate and valid. 782 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,960 So she justified it. 783 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,960 She'd rationalised it in her own mind, 784 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:11,960 and therefore very quickly had accepted 785 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:16,960 a conclusion that ending Elizabeth's life 786 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,960 was one of the options. 787 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,960 I think the real motive was, in fact, 788 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,960 getting rid of the burden of having to care for someone 789 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,960 when you really didn't want to. 790 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,000 (Narrator) A key piece of evidence for the prosecution was 791 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,960 the testimony of fire expert Emma Wilson. 792 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,160 As an expert witness arriving at court, 793 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,960 knowing that your testimony is 794 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,960 going to be a large part of the case, 795 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,960 it's going to be a big part of the jury's considerations, 796 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,960 and it's going to help them make their decision 797 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,960 on innocence and guilt. 798 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,960 For me, knowing that that's 799 00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:00,960 the reason I'm appearing in court, there's a nervousness to it. 800 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,960 (tense music) 801 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,960 (Narrator) Emma's testimony was vital to prove 802 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,960 that the fire could not have been started 803 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,960 by Elizabeth smoking in bed. 804 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,960 (Peter) Elizabeth never, on the evidence, smoked in her room. 805 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,960 Secondly, she always smoked in the kitchen or by the door... 806 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,960 the open door. 807 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,960 She didn't like people to smell the fact she'd been smoking. 808 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,960 She didn't like people to see that she'd been smoking, 809 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,160 which was why she'd put the cigarette out under the tap, 810 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,960 rather than leaving a sort of smelly ember. 811 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,960 Basically, she hid the fact that she'd been smoking 812 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,960 from the carers coming from her sister. 813 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,960 They all knew she smoked, but she was... pretends that she didn't. 814 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,960 But she didn't take cigarettes into her bedroom. 815 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,960 (tense music) 816 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,960 (Emma) Considering the physical evidence that we have, 817 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,160 it's my view that it's more likely 818 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,960 that Karen entered Elizabeth's bungalow, 819 00:41:54,960 --> 00:42:00,960 went to her bedroom, ignited a fire on the bed 820 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,960 whilst Elizabeth was in it, and then left the property, 821 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,320 and closed the door after her. 822 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,480 She then went home, got changed, 823 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,960 and it is likely that she had some sort of injury 824 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,960 or wound or burn on her arm, 825 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,960 and that's why she had a towel covering it when she returned, 826 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,960 that when she returned, she did enter a property that 827 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,960 was filled with smoke and had a fairly sizable fire within it, 828 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,000 and pressed the careline. 829 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,960 (unsettling music) 830 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,960 It is likely that Elizabeth became aware of the fire 831 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,160 because she wasn't found in her bed. 832 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,160 She was found by the firefighters at the base 833 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,160 of the bed on the floor, 834 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:43,960 so she had made some attempt to escape. 835 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,960 (melancholy music) 836 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,000 (Narrator) The prosecution argued that Karen's movement on the night 837 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,640 of the fire clearly showed this was a crime 838 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,320 of planning and premeditation. 839 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:04,960 She went around to Elizabeth's house when Elizabeth was in bed, 840 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,960 having been tucked up for the night by the carers 841 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,960 at about 6:00. 842 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,480 And she went round and set fire to the bed 843 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:13,960 whilst Elizabeth was in it. 844 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:18,960 Eventually, when she went back for the second time, 845 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,960 pretending to find the fire that she'd lit, 846 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,960 poor Elizabeth had managed, 847 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,960 however disabled, to get out of bed, 848 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,960 and was lying on the floor at the foot of the bed. 849 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,320 And that's where she was rescued by the firemen. 850 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,960 (tense music) 851 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,960 The offence shows a level of planning and premeditation, 852 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,960 although there's clearly evidence of a lack 853 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,960 of sophistication within that. 854 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,000 Karen had access to the home 855 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,640 and started the fire in the home. 856 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,960 So for Karen, she was intent upon doing this. 857 00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:56,960 She'd planned it. 858 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,960 It was now or never. 859 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,960 She had to take the opportunity, and that's what she did, 860 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,960 starting the fire, burning the house down 861 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,960 with Elizabeth in it. 862 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,960 (Narrator) On May 17, 2024, 863 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,480 the jury delivered their verdict. 864 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,480 She was convicted of murder unanimously by the jury. 865 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,960 No question of a majority verdict. 866 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,960 (melancholy music) 867 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,960 Hearing the verdict, it is almost like a sense of completion, 868 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:32,000 because to me and the evidence that I had, 869 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,960 that is what I would have expected the jury to get from that. 870 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,960 (Peter) She had to be given life in prison, 871 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,960 because that's the only sentence for murder. 872 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,960 And in this case, it was 32 years. 873 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:45,960 (melancholy music) 874 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,960 (Narrator) Despite the successful conviction, 875 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,960 the verdict provided mixed emotions for Elizabeth's family. 876 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,960 (Peter) I went to see the family and friends. 877 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,960 It was then that it became... 878 00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,960 I became aware just how cross the husband was. 879 00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:04,960 Her husband was very angry, not at the verdict. 880 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,960 He was very angry that the initial police investigation had 881 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,480 wrongly arrested him, because he was nothing to do 882 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:13,960 with the killing of his mother. 883 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,960 He was livid that he had been arrested 884 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,960 in the first investigation, and understandably. 885 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,960 (melancholy music) 886 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,000 (Vicky) There are no winners in this. 887 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:29,960 The tragedy of losing a mother in the way that she was lost, 888 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,800 a grandmother in the way that she was lost, but equally, 889 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,960 a wife and a mother who would have been detained 890 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,960 and is detained for a very long time, 891 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:45,960 the psychological shadow and effects of that would... 892 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,960 would be immense. 893 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,960 (melancholy music) 894 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,800 (Poppy) It's very hard to imagine 895 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,960 how Elizabeth's family would have been affected by this situation. 896 00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:00,960 I think it's very difficult to think about them having to pick up 897 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,960 the pieces of not only losing someone that was very dear to them 898 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,960 and a huge part of their family. 899 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,000 But also, who the perpetrator was and what the motivations were 900 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,960 is going to be really, really hard to come 901 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:16,960 to terms with as a family member. 902 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,640 It is almost a double betrayal. 903 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,640 You've lost somebody, and the person that has taken 904 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,960 them from you is also within your family. 905 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,960 (melancholy music) 906 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,960 (tense music) 907 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,960 Subtitles by accessibility@itv.com 74694

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