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SIREN WAILS
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A car crashes
in the middle of the night.
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A woman is run down.
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SOBBING
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It's the first death of its kind
in the world...
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..a pedestrian killed by
a driverless car.
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Although the vehicle
was driving itself,
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using artificial intelligence,
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there was a human operator
behind the wheel.
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For the first time ever,
the decision had to be made -
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who was to blame for this crash?
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Was it the human or the AI?
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Artificial intelligence -
a machine beyond the mind of man.
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For decades, scientists have dreamed
of creating incredible machines
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that could talk like us,
learn like us, think like us.
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But what we didn't imagine
is the impact they would have on us.
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In this series,
I'm exploring what happens
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when AI collides with human lives,
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unearthing stories far stranger than
we could ever have imagined.
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I'm Professor Hannah Fry.
I'm a mathematician,
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and I've spent my career
examining the ways
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technology can transform our future.
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Here in Phoenix,
a multi-billion-dollar industry
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has the potential
to save millions of lives.
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That is weird.
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SHE CHUCKLES
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We're on the cusp of
a self-driving revolution,
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and driverless taxis
are now a reality
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in several countries
around the world.
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All right, request it.
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You hail them on an app.
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Ooh! Love my initials on top.
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This is my first time
in one of these.
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Worked with Google for years.
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Never been in a driverless car.
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Imagine.
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Here it is!
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Where's it's going to stop?
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Where's it going to stop?
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There?
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Ooh!
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Oh, that was quite well done.
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Here, look - HF on the top.
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No-one in the car.
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Start the ride.
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Go!
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SHE GASPS AND LAUGHS
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It's quite nerve-racking!
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AUTOMATED VOICE: We'll do
all the driving,
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so please don't touch the steering
wheel or pedals during your ride.
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It's green, but it slowed down.
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Oh, it's turning right.
That's why.
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I sort of don't trust it.
I don't trust it.
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Ooh, we're changing lanes.
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SHE LAUGHS
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It's not timid, is it?
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The technology needed for a car
to drive itself
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is nothing short of miraculous.
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The car uses a combination
of sensors
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to understand what's going on
around it.
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First, cameras -
great at identifying road signs,
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traffic lights, pedestrians
and other cars,
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but they struggle in bad weather.
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So, many driverless cars
also have radar,
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often built into the front bumper,
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which sends out radio waves
that bounce off objects
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and measure what comes back.
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It works well over long distances,
but not so well up close.
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That's why some driverless cars
also use lidar,
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the spinning cylinders you sometimes
see on the roof and side of the car.
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It's like radar,
but with lasers,
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and is able to build up a detailed
3D picture of nearby objects.
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Precise but easily confused
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by reflective surfaces
like windows and shiny buildings.
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This is sort of inside
the computer's brain, as it were.
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So you're seeing a view of
what it thinks is around you.
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The AI takes these
three imperfect systems,
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pieces together what's actually
out there,
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tries to predict
what will happen next
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and decides how the car should
steer, brake and accelerate.
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When I was writing about
these things ten years ago,
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they were a research project.
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They were understanding
the environment,
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advancing the engineering,
kind of tweaking the software.
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It was only very, very recently
that they've become
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commercially available,
that just anybody could hail one.
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And soon they're even coming
to the UK,
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starting with the busy streets
of London.
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It is good at sticking to
the speed limit, I'll tell you that.
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I think there is actually
quite a lot to look forward to
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from this future
with driverless cars.
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Humans make terrible drivers.
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And these things, they're not...
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They're not falling asleep
at the wheel.
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They're not drink-driving.
They're not getting road rage.
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Like, fine. Maybe they're not
going to be perfect,
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but there is a lot of scope
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for roads to be much safer than
they currently are.
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And I think that is a goal
that is worth pursuing.
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But the story of how we got
to this point
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is marked by tragedy and loss.
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There was a pedestrian
walking a bicycle.
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Once the pedestrian got into
the lane of traffic,
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the vehicle struck the pedestrian.
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It was a self-driving vehicle.
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It was in the autonomous mode
at the time.
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In Arizona, in 2018,
for the first time,
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someone was struck
and fatally injured
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by a driverless car.
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NEWSREEL: Rafaela Vasquez
was the human backup driver
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in the self-driving Uber vehicle
that hit and killed Elaine Herzberg.
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After years of
avoiding the limelight,
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the woman at the centre
of the story,
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Rafaela Vasquez,
had agreed to meet me.
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Hey! Hi, how are you?
Good. How are you doing?
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Do you want to come in?
Yeah, thank you.
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You haven't spoken on camera
about this before, have you? No.
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How are you feeling about it?
I don't know.
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I have a whole plethora of emotions
going through me,
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but my biggest issue
going through this
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was not being able to rebut anything
or even defend myself.
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It's like getting a chance
to speak for yourself?
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Yeah, cos I've been dealing with it
now for, what, seven years?
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So this is you? Mm-hm. Yes.
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And that's to get you
in and out of the buildings.
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Rafaela got a job at Uber in 2017,
not long after the company
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had decided to develop
their own self-driving cars.
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I like a lot of technology stuff.
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Self-driving vehicles
were starting to emerge.
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I knew that Phoenix was becoming
a hotbed for it,
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so I would see autonomous vehicles
roaming around.
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I'm interested in that,
so I went and applied.
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I passed everything instantly.
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So, I was excited. Mmm.
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Her job was to ride
in the autonomous cars
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as Uber began testing
their new technology
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on Arizona's public roads.
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There was a lot of
engineers, coders,
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but everybody was super nice.
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And you have this chance to see
the new technology from the inside.
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Not just see it, I'm testing it
before it even comes out. Yeah.
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I loved my job.
I absolutely loved my job.
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When you were in the cars
in those early days,
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how good did you think they were
at driving?
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They were better than what I thought
they were going to be.
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And it also depends. Like,
Uber vehicles for the longest time
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had problems with overreacting
with things on the side of the road.
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And some builds are great,
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but then they do another update
to try to fix something else
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and it makes something else
go haywire.
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And then you just don't know.
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So much has happened to you
since that, right?
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Yeah.
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During its first year of testing
in Phoenix,
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Uber assigned two operators
to every self-driving car.
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All right, and we're engaging.
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One rode in the passenger seat
to track the car's performance.
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On the laptop, I can monitor
a lot of the prediction software.
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So I can see, like,
where the car is going.
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Any unexpected behaviour
had to be logged on a computer.
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The second operator
sat behind the wheel
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and kept their eyes on the road.
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They were expected to take control
if the AI in the car malfunctioned.
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But a year into testing,
Uber changed the set-up.
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Now one operator
had to watch the road
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AND monitor the car's actions.
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OK. Come on, then.
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This decision to switch
to a single human in the car
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came just a few months before
Rafaela's crash.
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Even riding in the car,
I still get nervous. Oh, really?
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Yeah. That's why I'm hesitating,
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because I'm just trying to not have
a panic attack. I understand.
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OK.
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Oh, sorry.
No, don't apologise, please.
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There is no pressure. Like...
No, I want to do this.
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Are you sure? Yeah.
OK, here we go.
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I don't want my driving
to unnerve you.
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No, I'm just worried
you're going to get pulled over
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cos you're not driving like
a typical person.
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I'm driving like a granny?
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Well, you're driving like
an autonomous vehicle, actually.
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Oh, really?
Right at the speed limit.
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THEY LAUGH
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Each operator was allocated a route
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which the car would drive
again and again.
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It could be monotonous work.
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Like, the most boring one I hated
was this one
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through this little neighbourhood.
You come out, you go here.
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Then this is all like 20 miles
an hour down here, down here,
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and then, boom, back.
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And that's all it is.
Round and round...
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For eight hours. ..with the car
driving itself. Mm-hm.
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Humans are not good at paying
attention when things get boring.
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And with only one operator
monitoring a repetitive route,
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there was a danger of
getting distracted.
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But when it wasn't quiet
on the streets,
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there could be a lot
for one person to do.
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God, there's lots of students out,
isn't there?
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Yes, and this is what we're testing.
Yeah.
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And you can't predict
what somebody's going to do.
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So I would always take it out of
autonomous mode during these areas.
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Right.
That's why two people was important.
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But then all of the sudden,
they changed it.
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But there are several screens
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that you're continually
having to look at.
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Yes. We were supposed
to push buttons and enter codes
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any time something happened.
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So, you're trying to put something
into the iPad
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while you're supposed to be
monitoring the road.
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Yeah.
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On the night of March 18th 2018,
Rafaela was on her usual test route.
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The car was in autonomous mode
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and had been running for 19 minutes
without incident.
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At 9.58pm,
it turned right onto Mill Avenue.
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At the same time, a pedestrian began
walking across Mill Avenue,
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pushing a bicycle by her side.
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Rafaela was looking down
as the vehicle approached the woman.
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The car should have detected her,
but it didn't.
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By the time Rafaela looked up
and slammed on the brakes,
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it was too late.
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The vehicle struck the woman
at 39mph.
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The pedestrian killed
was Elaine Herzberg.
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She was often seen on her bike
in the area.
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She never gave up.
She always helped people.
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She was funny, funny, funny, funny.
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If you were her friend,
you felt true love from her.
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She didn't deserve
what happened to her.
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So this is the park...
That's the park. Right.
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I did... That venue, that theatre,
everybody crossed there,
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including the homeless people,
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cos the homeless people
would come here to the park.
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That's where she was going.
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This was the first time Rafaela had
returned to the site of the crash.
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Do you see that sign on that post,
that light? Yeah, yeah.
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She was over there. Oh, gosh.
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And she's just screaming
the whole time. Yeah.
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RAFAELA EXHALES
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I...
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The screaming, it...
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It was just terrible to hear it.
And then...
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But then what was worse
was when it stopped.
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And then the ambulance showed up and
then they said she'd passed away,
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and then I lost it.
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Somebody died.
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Following the collision, the police
launched a criminal investigation
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into the artificial intelligence car
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and its human operator.
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Building a system that can
drive a car involves much more
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than turning a wheel
and pressing pedals.
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You also need to teach it to do
things that humans do instinctively,
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like spotting pedestrians
and recognising road signs.
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We do that without even thinking,
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but training a machine to do it
has proved incredibly difficult.
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So back in the early days of AI,
the only real form of intelligence
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that we knew about
was human intelligence.
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And so people looked to
the human brain for some inspiration
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about how to build
an electronic brain.
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And the thing about the human brain
is that it is made up
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by these billions and billions
of neurones
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that are connected together.
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And as you think,
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you are essentially sending
these little electrical impulses,
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these little bursts
that can be big or small,
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through this network in your brain.
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In the 1950s, people started
trying to construct
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a much simpler computer version
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where a network of
artificial neurones
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would pass signals
between each other.
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This concept became what we now call
a neural network.
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But rather than all of your neurones
being kind of intermeshed together,
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they appear in layers,
like a sort of hierarchy.
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Decades later, people realised
you could use these neural networks
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to recognise images -
like a stop sign.
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Here's a simplified version
of how it works.
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Each neurone in the hierarchy
has its own job.
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At the bottom, they're just looking
at a single pixel each.
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And as you go further up
the network,
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things get more sophisticated.
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Maybe there'll be a neurone up there
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that is checking to see
if there's some red.
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Maybe there's another one up there
that's checking to see
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if there's an octagonal shape
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that stands out from the background
behind it.
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And all of this information,
all of these signals get sent up,
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so you eventually get right to
the very top,
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to the big boss,
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who makes a decision based on
all of the information
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that has flowed through the network,
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to finally decide whether it thinks
it's a stop sign, yes or no.
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The extraordinary thing
about these networks
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is that if you only show it
one picture,
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it'll just be guessing
whether it's a stop sign or not.
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But show it thousands
and tell it when it's right or wrong
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and the AI learns to recognise
the sign itself,
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adjusting its network
every time it makes a mistake.
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In the neural networks
you'll find in a car,
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they'll be classifying
not just stop signs,
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but pedestrians, vehicles,
lampposts, road markings.
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They are gigantic
and gigantically complex,
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but the principle is still the same.
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This is a machine built
through trial and error.
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But if errors happen
in the real world, on our roads,
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the consequences can be fatal.
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THUD, TYRES SKID
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In April 2019, a Tesla Model S
failed to stop at a stop sign
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and ploughed through a T junction.
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MAN: I'm here. The 911's here.
How are you, sir?
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OFFICER: OK.
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The driver of the Tesla,
42-year-old George McGee,
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had been on his phone
when it fell out of his hand.
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He bent down to pick it up,
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leaving Tesla's Autopilot
to drive the car.
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Check his back. Check his back.
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But something went wrong.
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The Tesla hit 26-year-old
Dillon Angulo's truck at 62mph.
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Remarkably, Dillon survived
the accident.
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But he wasn't alone that night.
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This picture was actually the day
of the crash.
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And...
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..we were going fishing,
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and we stopped to get bait
at the bait store and...
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At the time of the accident, Dillon
had been with his new girlfriend,
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22-year-old Naibel Benavides.
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Can I see her?
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Oh...
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The impact from the Tesla
killed Naibel instantly.
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She's so gorgeous.
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Naibel always had this peace
and happiness to her.
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And just being around her
would just...
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It would rub off on you, you know?
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I was going to meet her mom
the next day.
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You know,
we were going to catch the fish,
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and then I was going to cook lunch
for her mom the next day.
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And... Was that the first time
you were going to meet her mum?
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Yeah, that was going to be
the first time. Mmm.
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And unfortunately, you know,
the first time that...
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..I have to meet her mom
were under these circumstances.
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Oh, my gosh.
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I'm so sorry this happened to you.
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Right away, they started doing
an investigation into the accident.
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And I finally get my hands
on the police body cam video...
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..and in that police body cam video,
the driver, yeah, he's like,
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"I was driving. I was on the phone.
I had the car on Autopilot Cruise."
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I started to do research and I had
no idea this existed, you know?
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This thing called Autopilot,
where the cars can drive themselves,
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you know? And...
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And right then and there,
I was like...
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.."This guy was relying on this car
to drive itself.
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"This is why this happened to us."
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Autopilot is Tesla's advanced
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driver assist function,
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highlighted in their slick
promotional videos
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that sell a vision of
technological sophistication,
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safety and convenience,
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showing that it can steer, brake
and change lanes on real roads
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in the real world.
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Tesla Car next year will probably be
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90% capable of Autopilot,
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like so 90% of your miles
could be on auto.
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Other car companies will follow.
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Elon Musk has even tweeted
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that his cars can completely
drive themselves,
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but they can't.
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The driver's manual
says a human still has to be
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in full control of the car.
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This thing is psychotic.
Oh, my God! Yeah, it's turning.
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I'm not involved in this.
Watch the road.
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What do you think Autopilot...?!
Whoa, Jesus, that was scary.
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Wait, there's a double yellow line.
Am I on the right side of the road?
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No, you are not! Get the fuck over!
Are you serious? Yes!
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Look! Don't fucking trust
this thing.
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And there's serious safety concerns
over the Autopilot feature.
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REPORTER: This Tesla crashed into
a highway divider in California,
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killing the driver.
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Another slammed into
a parked fire truck in Utah.
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Both had the Autopilot feature on.
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This is the bend right before
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the intersection where
the accident happened.
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And at night, from right here,
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you could already see the red light
blinking from right here.
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Oh, yeah. I see it.
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This is where her body
ended up laying.
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You know, we'd pulled over
to look at the stars.
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It's crazy how far her body flew,
you know?
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That's how fast the car was going
straight through this intersection.
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Six months after
the fatal collision,
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the man behind the wheel of
the Tesla, George McGee,
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was charged with careless driving,
which he didn't contest.
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But Dillon wanted Tesla
to also be held accountable.
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These car manufacturers,
they need to do a better job
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with designing these cars.
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We want justice. Naibel's family
and I, we want... We want justice.
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These cars were allowed on the road
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before they were ready
to be on the road.
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They were not safe.
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And they were advertised as these
cars that can drive themselves.
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Tesla offered Dillon and
Naibel's family an undisclosed sum
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to draw a line under the case.
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But they refused
and a court date was set.
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Tesla would now face a jury trial
over its Autopilot system.
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NEWSREADER: First At Five,
the video showing the moments
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before an Uber
self-driving car crashes.
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Backup driver Rafaela Vasquez looks
down for approximately four seconds.
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Back in 2018, the fallout
from Rafaela's crash
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had left the whole self-driving
industry hanging in the balance.
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If there's no human driver,
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who bears the responsibility
when a car makes a misstep?
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Is there enough safety built in
before we deploy these vehicles?
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Is there any suggestion
at the moment
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that Uber has done something wrong?
We don't know.
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Under intense media
and political scrutiny,
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Tempe's police investigation
left no stone unturned.
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So the police have sent over
all of their digital evidence.
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Erm...
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And I have not yet watched this.
Let's have a look.
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The actual car in the police
compound being analysed.
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Oh, my gosh, look at that.
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And then there's also one
that says "Seize phones."
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They're knocking on someone's door.
It's the police department.
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They've obviously blurred
everyone's faces.
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Hey. Hey, Rafaela.
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We're coming up to do follow up
regarding the accident,
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because we have a seizure warrant
for your cellphone.
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They've got a warrant for her phone.
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Which one... Which number
did you want? OK, Rafaela.
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How many phones do you have?
What? How many phones do you have?
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I have my work phone
and then my personal phone.
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But my work phone is the one I had
at work.
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So the warrant's
saying we need both phones.
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Well, we need all the phones.
How many?
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All of your phones.
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Why are they taking her phones?
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Thank you, Rafaela.
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Hi! Hi, good morning.
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Kasey Marsland was
the lead detective on the case.
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He agreed to show me the footage
he'd obtained from Uber.
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So this is the footage
with all three of the camera views.
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When I first hit play,
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we can see the driver
looking down multiple times. Mmm.
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And there didn't seem to be
a logical explanation
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as to why she was looking down.
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So we're coming up to the crash now,
are we? Yes.
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And there.
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Can you go back a few frames
in this? Of course.
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I just want to see what's happening
immediately before. Sure.
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So looking down, looking down,
looking down,
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looking down, looking down,
looking down,
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looking up... Oh. Oh, wow. Yes.
HANNAH GASPS
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What does she say
she was looking at?
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Initially, there was a statement
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that it had to do with the iPad
in the centre of the vehicle.
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And does that broadly stack up?
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Were Uber requiring people to look
at screens while they were driving?
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So the... Yes, that was... One
of the purposes of her job,
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was to monitor the vehicle.
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And if there was anything abnormal,
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she would need to interact
with that screen.
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I mean, they're conflicting
instructions, right,
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that, like... Yes. ..they're
supposed to be looking at screens
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but simultaneously monitoring
the road.
461
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,360
Yeah, it definitely presents
a bit of a challenge.
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Yeah. However, when we of course
looked at what the screen
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was actually showing at the time,
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it didn't show
that there was any sort of alerts
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or any sort of interaction
with the screen.
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We looked into the phone.
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We saw the apps that were installed
on her personal phone.
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We noticed Hulu was an active app
on her phone,
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and when we wrote
a search warrant to the company,
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they responded with a printout
of the activity on the account.
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And that's what gave us probably
the most important information
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at the time.
And what did it say?
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So this was the information
that was provided from Hulu.
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And it shows that the show The Voice
was being streamed
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to her personal phone.
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So what was your take
on seeing all of this?
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Essentially, this goes to
the beginning of her shift.
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She started her shift by driving
the vehicle out of the garage,
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and it was at that time, before
she even got onto the roadway,
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that she had set up
and started streaming the Hulu.
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And so I think that the conscious
decision to provide yourself
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with a likely distraction
before even getting onto the roadway
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is an absolutely reckless decision
to be made.
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So I found... I found a couple
of clips around the time.
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And lots of them
are not on your side.
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Some of them were terrible,
especially at first.
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Take a look at this.
This is Hulu records.
488
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,400
It turns out she was streaming
that singing competition The Voice
489
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,280
at the time when she should have
been watching the road.
490
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,000
Rafaela Vasquez was riding
in autonomous mode at the time,
491
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,760
but she was distracted
and looking down for more than 30%
492
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,520
of the nearly 22 minutes
before the crash.
493
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,480
Right there - they're right.
494
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,480
I wasn't distracted,
I was doing my job.
495
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,600
I had other things to do
other than operate the vehicle,
496
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:01,880
cos we went to one person.
497
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,800
So I had duties assigned.
498
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,640
Like, in the video, you see me
look away. I am looking away.
499
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,280
But if you time them,
and even the police did,
500
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,000
I never looked away
for more than five seconds.
501
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,280
Why? Cos that's how we were trained.
502
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,720
We were trained to look, boom,
503
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,280
iPad five seconds,
then look back, boom.
504
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,440
Over here, five seconds,
look back, boom.
505
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:23,200
Our cellphones, we have to
Bluetooth them in to the vehicle.
506
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,040
I wasn't watching TV,
I was listening to it.
507
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,760
But the police said I was watching -
508
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,520
that means that's
a definitive statement.
509
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,040
You just told the public
510
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,600
that you have evidence
that I was watching something.
511
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,320
That's bullshit, because you don't.
512
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,080
You have evidence that I was
Bluetooth streaming something,
513
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,760
but, hello, streaming, Bluetooth -
you can listen to stuff.
514
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,880
People do it all the time
with music.
515
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,760
Everyone automatically assumed -
because the police said it -
516
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:54,520
that I was watching Hulu, and
because of that, I was negligent,
517
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,600
therefore, I was unable
to prevent the accident,
518
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,840
therefore the charge.
519
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,440
The investigation lasted
for two and a half years
520
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,200
before Rafaela was finally charged.
521
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,400
Where were you
when the indictment came through?
522
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,800
I was at home.
My attorneys informed me.
523
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,600
They just told me that
I was going to be indicted
524
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:12,680
for negligent homicide.
525
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,520
I said, "What?"
And they said, "Negligent homicide."
526
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,600
Negligent homicide?!
I said, "Homicide?"
527
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,400
I said, "So, murder?"
528
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,160
That's just me,
how I interpret that. So I now...
529
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,280
I'm like, "Are you k..."
I didn't know what to say or do.
530
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:29,640
Now I'm in shock.
531
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,760
If found guilty, Rafaela faced up
to eight years in prison.
532
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,160
With conflicting accounts
from both sides,
533
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,720
I decided to track down
the official accident report.
534
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,800
The report concluded that the crash
was probably caused
535
00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:00,400
by Rafaela's failure to monitor
the driving environment,
536
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,240
but it was also critical of Uber,
537
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,000
uncovering troubling flaws
in the design of its AI programming.
538
00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:12,600
This table
is particularly interesting,
539
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,320
cos this is like seeing
inside the brain
540
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,320
of what the driverless car
was thinking at the time.
541
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,560
The car actually notices that
there's something there
542
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,320
5.6 seconds before the collision,
543
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:30,160
which is plenty of time
to start braking or turning.
544
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,520
And initially it's radar
545
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,920
that detects there's something
in the distance.
546
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,120
It predicts it's a vehicle, though.
547
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,360
And then 0.4 seconds later,
548
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,000
the lidar kicks in and picks up
that there's something there.
549
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:45,960
The lidar doesn't know
what it is, though.
550
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,560
It just classifies it as "other",
something unknown.
551
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,000
Now the lidar
keeps changing its mind.
552
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,720
So a full second later,
553
00:34:55,720 --> 00:34:57,800
changes its mind,
decides it's a vehicle,
554
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,960
then 0.3 of a second later,
changes its mind again,
555
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,360
and then it keeps switching -
556
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,960
vehicle, other, vehicle, other.
557
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:12,280
The computer within this driverless
car is not connecting the dots.
558
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:17,840
It's not seeing this as one object
whose classification keeps changing,
559
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,200
whose path is slowly moving
over time.
560
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,040
Instead, it is seeing this as
brand-new objects every single time.
561
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,200
In fact, it's only 1.2 seconds
before impact
562
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,000
that it finally decides to settle
that it's a bicycle.
563
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,920
Obviously way too late
to actually do anything about it.
564
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,480
Terrifying.
565
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,760
You design a system that fails
to track the path of an object
566
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,280
until it's decided what it is?
567
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,800
If you've got something that
you're going to collide with,
568
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,040
I don't care what it is! I care
about that it's going to collide.
569
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:06,640
That's insane.
570
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,680
"Although the system sensed
the pedestrian nearly six seconds
571
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:15,120
"before the impact, the system
never classified her as a pedestrian
572
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:19,000
"or predicted correctly her goal.
573
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,400
"The system design did not include
574
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,720
"a consideration
for jaywalking pedestrians."
575
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:30,120
It wasn't designed
to recognise people
576
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,040
unless they were on a crosswalk.
577
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,200
I think this is
pretty damning, actually.
578
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,240
What was this thing doing
on the roads?
579
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,800
The report made me want to know more
about what was happening
580
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:59,880
inside Uber around the time
of Rafaela's crash in 2018.
581
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,200
After some digging,
I found Robbie Miller...
582
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,120
Robbie, hi!
583
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,440
..an operations manager
who'd been at Uber
584
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,040
at the same time as Rafaela.
585
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,000
He had quit on safety grounds
586
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,920
just a few days before
the fatal collision.
587
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,080
I'd been working
in the self-driving space
588
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,560
for four or five years
at this point.
589
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,120
I was running the self-driving
truck fleet for Uber.
590
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,440
Eventually, there was a move
to combine the operations
591
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:34,680
of the testing for self-driving cars
and self-driving trucks.
592
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:37,880
How did you feel about that?
593
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,040
I was not at all comfortable
with it.
594
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,960
The self-driving cars
were having significant issues.
595
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:48,320
There's a lot of really scary
incidences that are occurring -
596
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,720
near misses, near collisions.
597
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:53,200
We would have, you know,
an incident
598
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:58,560
where the car was driving on
the sidewalk...in broad daylight.
599
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,880
And you realise, like, this...
600
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,800
They are headed on a path
601
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,440
where someone is going to get
seriously injured or worse.
602
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,280
And so I...
603
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,000
I gave notice.
604
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:16,440
There's this overarching fear,
I would say, at Uber,
605
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:21,320
that Waymo is about to release
their self-driving cars.
606
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,040
And it's...
607
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:27,480
I think it's very scary for Uber's
leadership to not have a response.
608
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,680
So it's turned into a race?
It is absolutely a race.
609
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,600
Waymo, owned by Google's
parent company Alphabet,
610
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,440
was Uber's arch-rival.
611
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,840
Just five months after Waymo
launched its first public trial,
612
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,160
Uber moved from two operators
in the car to one.
613
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,720
You need to show to your investors,
"Hey, we're making this progress."
614
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:55,680
An easy way to do that
is just take someone out of the car.
615
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,720
And this is something I mentioned -
616
00:38:57,720 --> 00:38:59,200
"You need that second person
in the vehicle.
617
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,960
"You're not ready to take
that person out of the vehicle."
618
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,920
Just a few days after I left,
the crash occurred.
619
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,200
And... Where did you first hear
about it?
620
00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:13,280
I was driving
621
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:19,720
and I received a phone call from
one of my former co-workers at Uber.
622
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,920
And I sat in the parking lot
and cried for 15 minutes.
623
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,600
Wow.
624
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,600
I am very passionate about
the technology.
625
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:42,800
I believe in the technology.
I want the technology to succeed.
626
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,320
But there's...
627
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,040
There's a way to do it.
628
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,040
A few years after
Rafaela's fatal crash,
629
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,000
Uber sold off
its self-drive division,
630
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,240
leaving the path clear for Waymo.
631
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,440
Here you go! Waymo's just crashed.
632
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,080
AI technology - not working!
633
00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:15,960
Why is this happening to me
on a Monday? I'm in a Waymo car...
634
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,800
AUTOMATED VOICE: Connected to
Rider Support.
635
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,240
..and... This call may be recorded
for quality assurance.
636
00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:22,320
..this car is just going in circles.
637
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,960
Hi there, Mike. This is Gab.
I'm calling from Waymo support...
638
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,800
Yeah, I got a flight to catch.
639
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,320
Why is this thing going in a circle?
I'm getting dizzy.
640
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:35,040
Waymo are now the dominant force
in driverless taxis in the US,
641
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,080
with 2,500 of them on the road.
642
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,560
Experts have praised
their safety record.
643
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,800
But some see these cars as symbols
of the powerful tech elite
644
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,560
and their disconnection from
the lives of ordinary people.
645
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,000
Hey! Hello.
646
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,680
And there's one group
who've decided to take action.
647
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,400
Nice to meet you. It's nice
to meet you. How are you all doing?
648
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:06,480
Doing well. Doing well.
649
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,640
They call themselves
the Safe Street Rebels
650
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,960
and carry out
their operations incognito.
651
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:18,200
What is it about the autonomous
driving that you dislike, though?
652
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,480
They are heavily
promoting themselves
653
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,520
as the future of public transit,
654
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,160
and we just fundamentally
don't think
655
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:26,600
they're the future of
public transit.
656
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,680
They're just a taxi
where you don't talk to someone.
657
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,080
And when that car is not parked,
it's still driving around, waiting.
658
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,000
50% of the miles they drive,
there's nobody in the vehicle.
659
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,520
In addition, they cannot be ticketed
660
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,080
for any kind of moving violation
in the city.
661
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,120
We have videos of them driving 40mph
662
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,240
on the wrong side of the road,
and nobody can do anything about it.
663
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:47,480
They're completely immune.
664
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,520
What, they're above
the kind of rules that would stand
665
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,200
for an Uber driver or a Lyft driver?
666
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,440
Yes, and if they can't do something
about it, we can.
667
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,360
To express their frustration,
668
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,160
the group go around San Francisco
disabling Waymos.
669
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,600
Let me understand
the strategy, then.
670
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,480
So how easy are they to override?
671
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,560
LAUGHS: Pretty easy!
Definitely pretty easy.
672
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,880
We're not allowed to show you
how they disable these cars,
673
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,680
although it's not exactly high-tech.
674
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,920
So you're not putting them
out of action permanently? No, no.
675
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,720
And we're not causing any damage
to them either.
676
00:42:21,720 --> 00:42:22,760
It's like... It's painter's tape,
677
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,960
so it doesn't leave any residue
when you remove it.
678
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,480
There's one...
There's one coming. Right.
679
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,320
There's one, there's one...
Yeah. Check this one.
680
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:31,360
Someone go in front.
681
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,560
MAN: Fuck it up!
Fuck it up!
682
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,120
CHEERING
683
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:41,200
Did you hear that?
684
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,480
There was people on the sidewalk
who were, like, cheering them on.
685
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,720
The disabled car was now blocking
the road.
686
00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:51,240
CHIME
AUTOMATED VOICE: Please step back.
687
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,840
So the one behind hasn't been taped
but is stuck.
688
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,880
There's another one coming.
Oh, my gosh!
689
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:03,280
Three of them...
690
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,440
..and they're just stuck.
691
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,200
And now there's another car
behind, flashing.
692
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,800
But it has a human driver,
so they can go around the problem.
693
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,800
Is it actually illegal,
what you're doing?
694
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:18,880
We don't think it's illegal.
695
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,320
We can't find any law
that it breaks.
696
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,640
It's not vandalism, so... It's hard
to point any law we're breaking.
697
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,400
Are there not other ways that you
could do this? I mean, can you...
698
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,440
I don't know, is there, like,
not a more sort of democratic way?
699
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:32,760
It would be nice if we could vote,
700
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,320
if we had the opportunity
to vote on them,
701
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,960
but we have not been presented
with that opportunity yet.
702
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,000
Is this... Does it feel a bit like
this is something
703
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,240
that has happened to you
rather than with you?
704
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:42,760
I mean, absolutely.
705
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,040
Hey, yo, there's one coming
the other side.
706
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,840
Other side, other side, other side.
Other side! It's coming. Yeah.
707
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,320
Yeah. You want to get in front?
708
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,600
They are surprisingly easy to bully,
aren't they?
709
00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:03,960
The other thing that
I think was really surprising
710
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:08,200
was just how many of them
were going past, right?
711
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,560
And maybe it's the time of day,
but, I mean...
712
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,040
..hardly any of them
have people inside.
713
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,160
Yeah, it's empty.
714
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,000
They did say something
that I hadn't considered before,
715
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,400
which is about how they are
continually circling
716
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,480
when they don't have
people inside them.
717
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,440
And that I hadn't considered,
because of course,
718
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,200
there's a congestion aspect...
719
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:37,760
..but there's an
environmental aspect, too.
720
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,480
I mean, they've gotta be powered.
721
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,360
Hmm. Interesting.
722
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:45,680
Interesting.
723
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:10,880
It happened fast.
724
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,200
The hearing for
Rafaela Vasquez was scheduled
725
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:14,680
as a settlement conference,
726
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,400
but it quickly led to a plea deal.
727
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,840
In July 2023, after five years
of legal wrangling,
728
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,840
Rafaela accepted a plea deal
to avoid going to jail.
729
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,640
The agreement indicates
that you wish to plead guilty to
730
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,120
the crime of endangerment.
731
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,640
The offence is non-dangerous,
non-repetitive.
732
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,760
Is that the crime that you wish
to plead guilty to? Yes.
733
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,680
She pled guilty to
a reduced charge - endangerment -
734
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,720
with the guarantee it would be
lowered to the least-serious
735
00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:46,080
category of offence, following
three years of probation.
736
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,160
Ah! Hey, how are you?
Look who it is. Hi.
737
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,760
I wanted to meet Rafaela's lawyers,
Al Morrison....
738
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,720
How are you?
..and Marci Kratter.
739
00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:59,120
So good to see you.
740
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,000
Why did you take this case on?
741
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,800
Our job is to fight for
the little guy - no offence -
742
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,680
but she was the little guy.
743
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,080
And the more we got into this case,
744
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,600
the more we realised just
how one-sided it was.
745
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,520
Where do you think this came from,
then? I mean, is this...
746
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,640
Is this the police,
or is this from Uber?
747
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,560
Uber. Really?
748
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,280
They did whatever they could
to make it not their fault.
749
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,240
And it's David and Goliath. Yeah.
750
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:29,200
We have this single person
751
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:34,720
up against a multimillion-dollar
company with unlimited resources.
752
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:37,720
The problem was that there
were so many aspects of the way
753
00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:39,360
these cars were programmed
754
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,760
that didn't account for
real-world situations.
755
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,600
The most obvious one is,
the thing wasn't programmed
756
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,440
to deal with jaywalkers.
757
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,400
To save yourself in a campus,
college campus,
758
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,920
to not programme vehicles
to deal with jaywalking
759
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,760
I think is the height of negligence.
760
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,400
I was scared to go to trial.
761
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,840
If I lose, it's prison time,
no ifs, ands or buts.
762
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,080
And the media already
destroyed me out there.
763
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,520
That's always in the back
of our minds as lawyers,
764
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,960
and certainly our clients' minds,
that it's the exposure.
765
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,240
"What's going to happen to me
if I go to trial and lose?"
766
00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:16,640
But Marci and I felt like
we had a great case,
767
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,680
but we also understood
the risk was all hers.
768
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,480
Me not going to trial has
no reflection on them.
769
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,680
These two saved my life.
770
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,600
They absolutely saved my life.
771
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,760
No criminal charges were
ever brought against Uber.
772
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,920
Rafaela got dealt
a really rough hand,
773
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,720
and this didn't play out fairly.
774
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,680
Maybe she was watching her phone.
775
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,160
Maybe she wasn't. Like, I...
776
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,880
Honestly, I don't know,
but I also...
777
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,040
I don't think that
that's the point of this.
778
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:09,560
The scandal here is that you have
got this massive corporate,
779
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:15,240
multibillion-dollar project
which is not prioritising
780
00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:18,920
the safety of the people who are
in the cars, or, like,
781
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,400
the members of the public
who haven't even agreed
782
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,840
to participate in the experiment.
783
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:29,440
It is not enough to say that all of
the responsibility lies with
784
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,120
the person who was in the car.
785
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,360
That's not enough.
That's not enough for me.
786
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:51,440
Back in Miami, Dillon and Naibel's
family were taking Tesla to court
787
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,080
over the fatal crash
that had killed Naibel.
788
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:59,400
Nice to meet you. I'm Hannah. Adam.
Great to see you. Great to meet you.
789
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,600
What's up, buddy?
790
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,600
SHE CHUCKLES
791
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,280
Dillon's lawyer, Adam Boumel,
792
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,040
brought me up to speed on the case.
793
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,440
This is a sort of situation
where there's no precedent at all.
794
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,840
Does that make it quite difficult
to build a legal case when you're,
795
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,680
I don't know, forging a new path?
Extremely. Yeah?
796
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,680
I mean, we had to do it
from the start.
797
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,960
This is creating the law.
798
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,320
Obviously, from day one,
Tesla's position was,
799
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,560
this is 100% driver's fault.
800
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,680
The thing is that it's difficult
to untangle the responsibility
801
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,640
in this case, because you're not
saying that the driver had
802
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,120
no responsibility at all.
No, of course not.
803
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:41,800
We 100% acknowledge that
the driver had responsibility.
804
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,000
And our position from day one
has been that this is a case
805
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,760
of shared responsibility.
806
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,480
Yes, the driver was at fault.
807
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:52,120
He was distracted, he was
disengaged from the driving task.
808
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:53,960
But then you have to ask yourself,
809
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,200
why was he disengaged from
the driving task?
810
00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:00,760
And you realise that Tesla
fostered this belief in him,
811
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:05,080
this trust of the system
that was unwarranted.
812
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:10,040
He thought that the car would stop
or swerve or do something
813
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,600
before ploughing into
a parked vehicle.
814
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,600
Do you have the data from
inside the car?
815
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,480
Do you know what the car was seeing?
816
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,240
So, we were able to finally get
the data from inside the car,
817
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:24,920
showing what the Autopilot computer
was detecting and processing.
818
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,520
The computer understood that
the car was speeding
819
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,000
towards the end of the road.
820
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,880
It appreciated the stop sign.
821
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,920
It appreciated
the blinking red light.
822
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,960
It appreciated Dillon's parked SUV.
823
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,800
So, it identified a lot of things,
and it did nothing.
824
00:50:55,720 --> 00:51:00,080
The car knew what was going on
in front of it,
825
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,800
and didn't do nothing to warn
the driver to stop the car.
826
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,760
So, this isn't a case
of misinformation
827
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,440
inside the car's system.
828
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,400
The car has all of the information
it needed in order
829
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,120
to avoid the collision.
830
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:18,600
But it was programmed not to behave
in the way that the driver thought
831
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,480
it was programmed to behave.
832
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,440
Did the car behave as people
expected and believed it should,
833
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:29,600
based off of Tesla's marketing
and Elon Musk's statements,
834
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,800
in kind of hyping up
the capabilities of this car?
835
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:38,000
When you take that backdrop
and you put it against this case,
836
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:42,920
the car did nothing that anybody
thought it would or should.
837
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,840
So, this has almost become
a case of, like,
838
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:50,000
misadvertising or, like,
misrepresentation, then?
839
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,480
They make the consumers and
drivers believe that
840
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,200
the car is more capable,
841
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,000
creating false expectations
in their drivers.
842
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,240
In the Uber crash,
the blame had been laid
843
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:04,440
firmly on Rafaela's shoulders.
844
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:11,120
With Tesla, would this now be
the first time the car itself
845
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,080
would be considered at fault?
846
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:38,560
Tonight, a Florida jury forcing
Tesla to pay $243 million
847
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,520
to victims in a deadly 2019 crash,
848
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:45,080
the jury finding flaws
in Tesla's self-driving software
849
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:46,800
were partly to blame.
850
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,160
We can be proud that we stood up,
851
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:53,720
and that we did everything in
our power to help shine light
852
00:52:53,720 --> 00:52:55,120
on what's going on.
853
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,960
Against all odds,
Dillon emerged victorious in court,
854
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,160
forcing Tesla to take
some responsibility -
855
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:05,960
for the first time ever -
856
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,560
for a crash involving
its Autopilot system.
857
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,880
It was a shocking landmark verdict
858
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,440
that could well reshape
the future of self-driving cars.
859
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,920
When they gave the verdict,
how was it?
860
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,160
It was very emotional, you know?
861
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,720
I mean, like, me and my dad,
we started hugging each other and,
862
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:34,400
you know, praying...
that we would get justice.
863
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,720
You know, from the beginning,
we knew this was
864
00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:38,080
a joint liability case,
865
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:42,640
and the jury decided to hold
Tesla accountable.
866
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,480
And I'm grateful for that.
867
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:48,640
And I'm grateful that people
heard all the evidence,
868
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,680
and saw that Tesla made a mistake.
869
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,280
I really get the impression
that this has never been
870
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:55,800
about money for you.
871
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,840
It was more important for us
to shine light,
872
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:04,040
and to show the world that
this technology is not safe.
873
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:10,280
People will come to me and,
you know, tell me congratulations.
874
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:14,400
But I don't feel like
it's something to celebrate.
875
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,600
Like... You're not walking away
from this a winner.
876
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:23,520
I would say it's more just...
justice was served. Yeah.
877
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,560
Tesla plan to appeal the ruling.
878
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,480
Meanwhile, in the UK,
879
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,080
British firm Wayve will launch
their self-driving cars
880
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:51,880
in London later this year.
881
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,200
This feels like so much more
high stakes than it did
882
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:58,600
when I was in Phoenix.
883
00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:02,240
I mean, this is slightly
wild for me, right?
884
00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:04,680
Like, I've lived in London
for 20 years,
885
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,880
and we're driving in a driverless
car down Camden High Street.
886
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,000
THEY LAUGH
887
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,000
Like, this is...
888
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,720
This is honestly something I thought
was much further in the future.
889
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:14,200
It never gets old.
890
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:18,760
Wayve CEO Alex Kendall points out
that the AI in driverless cars
891
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,280
has come on leaps and bounds
in the past few years.
892
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,800
And this is interesting.
This person's body language was
893
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,200
sort of turning backwards
and forwards away from the crossing.
894
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:28,680
So, that was noticeable, actually.
895
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,280
The car sort of changed
its mind a couple of times.
896
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,320
It saw the person turn their
body back and forth.
897
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,560
The AI has got quite good
at learning that kind of intent.
898
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,880
So, it's like super,
super fancy cruise control.
899
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,200
It's a completely different
experience from cruise control.
900
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,240
Have I just undercut
your product there?
901
00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:49,240
You're comparing a floppy disk
with a quantum computer.
902
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,840
Think of AI as
the next evolution of tooling.
903
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,960
When you think about the wheel,
the calculator, the computer -
904
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:00,720
different tools that, as humanity,
905
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:03,560
we've invented to push
forward society... Mm-hm.
906
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:07,000
..I think intelligent machines
will be that next evolution of this.
907
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,760
Whether you like it or not,
driverless cars are coming.
908
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,200
I mean, they're here already.
909
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,800
And I still think there's lots
of good to come from that.
910
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:26,640
But to get to this point, we had
to go through that difficult phase.
911
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:31,640
We had to go through the learning -
which, I mean, by definition,
912
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,640
learning involves making mistakes.
913
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,880
It's just that these mistakes,
you know, these deaths,
914
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,400
these lives that were ruined,
915
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,160
I don't think that
they were inevitable.
916
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:46,640
I don't think that they were
an acceptable price to pay
917
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,120
for a new technology.
918
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,520
I think different choices
could have been made.
919
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:55,080
I think there were different ways
to balance the roll-out of
920
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,440
the new product with
the safety of the public.
921
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:02,480
And I just hope now that
these are lessons from the past,
922
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,400
you know, I hope that the steepest
part of this learning curve
923
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,080
is now behind us.
924
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,440
SIRENS WAIL
925
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,280
The chief executive of one
of the United States's largest
926
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,920
health insurance companies has been
shot and killed in New York.
927
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:05,680
The alleged killer has been
identified as Luigi Mangione.
928
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:09,840
The suspect had something to say
about the insurance industry.
929
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,440
The insurance companies are relying
on algorithms to make decisions
930
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,200
to deny patient care.
931
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:16,960
Stop denials with AI!
932
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,600
ALL: How many people have to die?
933
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,440
The anger and the upset is real.
934
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,400
ALL: Health care is a human right!
935
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:32,040
To discover more about AI and how it
can shape our future, go to...
936
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,120
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