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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:13,590 --> 00:00:16,157 On September 8th, 1966, 2 00:00:16,226 --> 00:00:19,527 America tunes in to catch a glimpse of the future 3 00:00:19,596 --> 00:00:22,764 and launches a global phenomenon. 4 00:00:22,866 --> 00:00:25,600 A television series like no other 5 00:00:25,702 --> 00:00:27,168 that unites us in its vision 6 00:00:27,237 --> 00:00:28,770 of a better world to come. 7 00:00:28,872 --> 00:00:32,207 Here's a group of people who are solving problems together, 8 00:00:32,309 --> 00:00:33,949 and they're all different, diverse people. 9 00:00:34,044 --> 00:00:37,579 This is the secret history of "Star Trek." 10 00:00:37,681 --> 00:00:39,714 It's epic 50-year mission. 11 00:00:39,783 --> 00:00:41,561 That was what was so brilliant about "Star Trek" 12 00:00:41,585 --> 00:00:44,652 was that it was human nature and human instinct 13 00:00:44,755 --> 00:00:47,188 and the drive to want to know more 14 00:00:47,257 --> 00:00:48,990 combined with adventure. 15 00:00:49,059 --> 00:00:51,659 The mastermind of the "Star Trek" universe. 16 00:00:51,762 --> 00:00:54,229 And Gene says, "Do you want to be on Star Trek?" 17 00:00:54,331 --> 00:00:57,866 I said, "Yes. Yes!" 18 00:00:57,968 --> 00:01:00,068 The cast and crew reveal the stories 19 00:01:00,170 --> 00:01:01,369 you've never heard. 20 00:01:01,438 --> 00:01:02,782 Roddenberry looked at the beard and goes, 21 00:01:02,806 --> 00:01:05,173 "I love the beard. It's nautical." 22 00:01:05,275 --> 00:01:08,710 Plus Leonard Nimoy's final full interview. 23 00:01:08,812 --> 00:01:10,845 If I were given the choice of any character 24 00:01:10,947 --> 00:01:14,616 ever portrayed on television, I would choose Spock. 25 00:01:14,718 --> 00:01:16,017 Happy anniversary, "Star Trek." 26 00:01:16,086 --> 00:01:18,219 Happy 50th. Wow, way to go. 27 00:01:18,321 --> 00:01:20,622 Before anybody else were touching on subjects, 28 00:01:20,724 --> 00:01:23,425 racism, segregation, discrimination, 29 00:01:23,527 --> 00:01:25,326 before any other TV shows did. 30 00:01:25,429 --> 00:01:28,229 Voyager" is probably my first acting job. 31 00:01:28,331 --> 00:01:29,764 There's an optimism to it 32 00:01:29,866 --> 00:01:32,133 that I think we've never needed more than now. 33 00:01:32,235 --> 00:01:33,980 Seven of Nine's one of my favorite "Star Trek" characters 34 00:01:34,004 --> 00:01:35,503 because she was so hot. 35 00:01:35,605 --> 00:01:38,273 Featuring an intimate conversation with cast members, 36 00:01:38,375 --> 00:01:40,975 comedians, scientists, and academics 37 00:01:41,078 --> 00:01:43,144 covering all things "Star Trek." 38 00:01:43,246 --> 00:01:45,313 That was one of my big fears in accepting the role. 39 00:01:45,382 --> 00:01:48,550 Happy 50th anniversary, "Star Trek." 40 00:01:48,652 --> 00:01:50,285 You know how old that makes me? 41 00:01:50,473 --> 00:01:56,069 - Synced and corrected by VitoSilans - -- www.Addic7ed.com -- 42 00:01:57,260 --> 00:01:59,994 We're here on the 50th anniversary of "Star Trek" 43 00:02:00,097 --> 00:02:02,130 at the Griffith Observatory 44 00:02:02,199 --> 00:02:04,432 outside the Leonard Nimoy theater 45 00:02:04,534 --> 00:02:08,303 to discuss "Star Trek" with a lot of great people 46 00:02:08,371 --> 00:02:10,338 and a lot of fine minds and Kevin Pollak. 47 00:02:12,742 --> 00:02:14,676 Let's just jump right into it. 48 00:02:14,744 --> 00:02:17,745 Let's talk about the general impact of "Star Trek." 49 00:02:17,848 --> 00:02:20,915 The great sense of discovery and curiosity 50 00:02:21,017 --> 00:02:23,818 on this five-year mission to seek out new worlds. 51 00:02:23,920 --> 00:02:25,320 You know, those... those... 52 00:02:25,388 --> 00:02:27,922 That phraseology was kind of impactful. 53 00:02:28,024 --> 00:02:30,225 "The Measure of Man" where Data's on trial, 54 00:02:30,293 --> 00:02:32,961 that's the episode that led me to create my class. 55 00:02:33,029 --> 00:02:34,273 - Oh, wow. - Because it has references 56 00:02:34,297 --> 00:02:35,997 to slavery in it, and I thought about, 57 00:02:36,099 --> 00:02:37,432 "Gee, this is very interesting." 58 00:02:37,501 --> 00:02:39,734 You know, there's a whole pro-slavery argument. 59 00:02:39,836 --> 00:02:42,437 It's really the Dred Scott decision worked out there. 60 00:02:42,539 --> 00:02:44,005 - Yeah. - Is Data property or not? 61 00:02:44,107 --> 00:02:45,607 I saw a couple episodes 62 00:02:45,675 --> 00:02:47,235 of the original series when I was a kid 63 00:02:47,277 --> 00:02:49,911 because you can't not have seen some things. 64 00:02:50,013 --> 00:02:51,513 I saw the Tribble episode, I think, 65 00:02:51,581 --> 00:02:54,716 and I saw the planet of kids, "grups." 66 00:02:54,818 --> 00:02:55,928 And they were saying, "Grups, grups," that one. 67 00:02:55,952 --> 00:02:57,218 - Whatever. - Yeah. 68 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,298 But I was never a sci-fi fan, so I wasn't into it. 69 00:02:59,322 --> 00:03:01,356 And I never watched any of the other incarnations 70 00:03:01,458 --> 00:03:02,457 until I was on the show. 71 00:03:02,559 --> 00:03:04,959 I saw "Star Trek" as this, you know, 72 00:03:05,061 --> 00:03:07,295 amazing way of bringing humanity together, right? 73 00:03:07,397 --> 00:03:08,863 You had the height of the Cold War. 74 00:03:08,965 --> 00:03:11,099 You had Russian and American people working together. 75 00:03:11,201 --> 00:03:13,968 You had black people and white people working together. 76 00:03:14,037 --> 00:03:16,137 That's an incredible thing to see as a kid 77 00:03:16,239 --> 00:03:19,174 when, you know, you're from two worlds 78 00:03:19,242 --> 00:03:21,209 that really also don't get along. 79 00:03:21,311 --> 00:03:22,655 I first started on the original series, 80 00:03:22,679 --> 00:03:24,390 my mother was a big fan, and those were reruns 81 00:03:24,414 --> 00:03:25,658 that were happening at the time. 82 00:03:25,682 --> 00:03:27,982 It was right before "Next Generation" started 83 00:03:28,051 --> 00:03:30,051 and it was... I just always was fascinated 84 00:03:30,153 --> 00:03:32,287 by Dr. McCoy's grumpiness. 85 00:03:32,389 --> 00:03:34,556 That relationship with Spock I thought was amazing. 86 00:03:34,658 --> 00:03:36,491 He just was, like, "I can't stand you, 87 00:03:36,593 --> 00:03:37,859 - but I love you." - Yeah. 88 00:03:37,961 --> 00:03:39,794 And I was like, "Oh, that's my family." 89 00:03:41,164 --> 00:03:43,498 I understand everything from "Star Trek." 90 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:44,899 - Yes. - You know, it's funny 91 00:03:44,968 --> 00:03:47,569 because I wasn't allowed to watch TV 92 00:03:47,671 --> 00:03:49,170 when "Star Trek" was on the air. 93 00:03:49,239 --> 00:03:50,772 My parents wouldn't let me watch it. 94 00:03:50,874 --> 00:03:53,374 So I snuck downstairs and I turned on the TV. 95 00:03:53,443 --> 00:03:57,212 And, uh, that was my first... The first time I saw the show. 96 00:03:57,314 --> 00:03:59,280 I think it was, um, "This Side of Paradise" 97 00:03:59,349 --> 00:04:00,548 - was the episode. - Oh. 98 00:04:00,617 --> 00:04:03,952 And you could tell that whoever was doing the show 99 00:04:04,054 --> 00:04:05,587 was a science fiction fan. 100 00:04:10,894 --> 00:04:13,962 "Star Trek" begins as the brainchild of one man, 101 00:04:14,064 --> 00:04:17,131 Gene Roddenberry, a former World War II pilot 102 00:04:17,234 --> 00:04:19,400 and policeman turned screenwriter. 103 00:04:19,502 --> 00:04:22,937 His first television series premieres in 1963, 104 00:04:23,006 --> 00:04:25,673 and features a few faces that will soon become familiar 105 00:04:25,775 --> 00:04:28,142 to "Trek" fans. 106 00:04:28,245 --> 00:04:30,812 He was a big man, enthusiastic. 107 00:04:30,914 --> 00:04:34,449 He really, really loved producing a show, 108 00:04:34,551 --> 00:04:36,017 which he had never done before. 109 00:04:36,086 --> 00:04:37,318 He created "The Lieutenant." 110 00:04:39,422 --> 00:04:43,191 It was "The Lieutenant." It was his first big TV show. 111 00:04:43,293 --> 00:04:45,627 And he cast me. 112 00:04:45,729 --> 00:04:49,664 I had acted in an episode of a series called "The Lieutenant" 113 00:04:49,733 --> 00:04:51,566 that was produced by Gene Roddenberry. 114 00:04:51,635 --> 00:04:53,579 My agent called me and said, "He's interested in you 115 00:04:53,603 --> 00:04:57,472 for a science fiction pilot that he's gonna produce. 116 00:04:57,574 --> 00:05:00,041 "The Lieutenant" runs for just one season, 117 00:05:00,110 --> 00:05:03,311 but Roddenberry's already working on a bigger idea. 118 00:05:03,380 --> 00:05:07,515 In 1964, he begins pitching a series about a starship 119 00:05:07,617 --> 00:05:09,250 with a multi-ethnic crew. 120 00:05:09,352 --> 00:05:12,654 I had worked for him directly when his secretary was ill. 121 00:05:12,756 --> 00:05:16,024 And he knew that I had sold some things 122 00:05:16,126 --> 00:05:19,127 that I wanted to be a writer, a full-time writer. 123 00:05:19,195 --> 00:05:21,596 And he called me into his office and said, 124 00:05:21,665 --> 00:05:23,665 "What do you think of this?" And he showed me 125 00:05:23,767 --> 00:05:28,136 about a 10-12 page piece that was called "Star Trek." 126 00:05:28,204 --> 00:05:32,173 - Well, he had done... - "The Lieutenant." 127 00:05:32,275 --> 00:05:35,076 I went in to do a pitch on a story. 128 00:05:35,178 --> 00:05:38,546 Somehow or another, he asked if I was interested 129 00:05:38,615 --> 00:05:40,715 in doing "Star Trek." 130 00:05:40,817 --> 00:05:43,418 I said, "Yeah, I would be interested in that." 131 00:05:43,486 --> 00:05:44,730 And I went home, and I read it, 132 00:05:44,754 --> 00:05:45,898 and I came back the next day, and I said, 133 00:05:45,922 --> 00:05:46,921 "Who plays Mr. Spock." 134 00:05:47,023 --> 00:05:49,624 The script was very good, very good. 135 00:05:49,726 --> 00:05:51,793 I didn't quite understand how it was gonna work 136 00:05:51,861 --> 00:05:54,462 as a television show because it was so unique. 137 00:05:54,564 --> 00:05:56,764 It was really quite special. 138 00:05:56,866 --> 00:05:58,800 But it was a very intelligent script. 139 00:05:58,868 --> 00:06:01,703 It had layers of ideas in it 140 00:06:01,771 --> 00:06:04,205 that you didn't often get in television. 141 00:06:04,307 --> 00:06:05,773 Roddenberry was very inspired 142 00:06:05,875 --> 00:06:08,443 by Jonathan Swift's "Gulliver's Travels." 143 00:06:08,511 --> 00:06:10,978 And wanted to tell stories 144 00:06:11,047 --> 00:06:12,980 that you couldn't normally tell on television 145 00:06:13,049 --> 00:06:14,529 through the prism of science fiction. 146 00:06:14,584 --> 00:06:17,452 He was such a complex and interesting man. 147 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,588 Very bright, very bright. 148 00:06:20,690 --> 00:06:22,890 Hard-working. 149 00:06:22,959 --> 00:06:24,425 Tough job, tough job. 150 00:06:24,527 --> 00:06:26,260 Particularly getting "Star Trek" right 151 00:06:26,329 --> 00:06:27,695 the first couple of seasons. 152 00:06:27,797 --> 00:06:30,631 To get it... to get it what he wanted it to be. 153 00:06:30,700 --> 00:06:32,812 They didn't think there was a big enough audience out there. 154 00:06:32,836 --> 00:06:34,969 They thought it was gonna be sci-fi kooks and kids. 155 00:06:35,071 --> 00:06:36,849 And they didn't think they could make enough money 156 00:06:36,873 --> 00:06:40,408 from their sponsors to put these on in prime-time. 157 00:06:40,510 --> 00:06:42,288 Well, they had put on "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" 158 00:06:42,312 --> 00:06:45,780 in fall of '64, winning its timeslot for ABC. 159 00:06:45,882 --> 00:06:48,683 Fall of '65, he puts on "Lost In Space" on CBS. 160 00:06:48,785 --> 00:06:51,252 It's winning its timeslot for CBS. 161 00:06:51,354 --> 00:06:53,321 That was when they made the decision to put it on 162 00:06:53,423 --> 00:06:55,923 for the fall of '66. NBC wants one. 163 00:06:55,992 --> 00:06:58,192 They felt they were missing the boat. 164 00:06:58,261 --> 00:06:59,661 President John F. Kennedy 165 00:06:59,696 --> 00:07:01,129 issues a challenge, 166 00:07:01,231 --> 00:07:04,432 to put a man on the moon before the end of the decade. 167 00:07:04,534 --> 00:07:08,669 The space race heats up as America looks to the stars. 168 00:07:08,772 --> 00:07:12,607 And one unlikely supporter sees an opportunity. 169 00:07:12,709 --> 00:07:15,576 Well, "Star Trek" may be the first TV show 170 00:07:15,678 --> 00:07:17,245 I can really remember. 171 00:07:17,347 --> 00:07:20,047 Impossible." 172 00:07:20,150 --> 00:07:23,151 In fact, the both... the two great Desilu productions. 173 00:07:23,253 --> 00:07:26,354 The other player in "Star Trek" 174 00:07:26,456 --> 00:07:28,189 and get it on the air was Lucille Ball 175 00:07:28,258 --> 00:07:30,291 with Desilu Studios. 176 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,995 It was Lucille Ball who said, "Let's make this." 177 00:07:34,097 --> 00:07:37,331 That studio was built on reruns. 178 00:07:37,434 --> 00:07:39,967 And when "I Love Lucy" was in production, 179 00:07:40,069 --> 00:07:41,702 they wanted to film it here in LA. 180 00:07:41,805 --> 00:07:43,885 So they said, "We'll pay the difference and film this 181 00:07:43,973 --> 00:07:45,540 if we can have the rerun rights." 182 00:07:45,642 --> 00:07:47,842 And the answer from Harry Ackerman at CBS was, 183 00:07:47,911 --> 00:07:49,010 "What's a rerun?" 184 00:07:49,112 --> 00:07:51,145 Nobody had ever rerun anything on TV. 185 00:07:51,247 --> 00:07:53,247 They shot it live, it was gone. 186 00:07:53,349 --> 00:07:55,416 And "Star Trek" was brought in. 187 00:07:55,518 --> 00:07:59,387 And Lucy said, "I think that could rerun for ten years. 188 00:07:59,456 --> 00:08:01,189 Well, here we are 50 years later. 189 00:08:01,291 --> 00:08:03,124 "I Love Lucy" is still on five days a week 190 00:08:03,193 --> 00:08:04,625 in every city around the country. 191 00:08:04,727 --> 00:08:06,327 And probably the second most rerun show 192 00:08:06,429 --> 00:08:08,073 in the history of television is "Star Trek." 193 00:08:08,097 --> 00:08:11,766 Let's give her credit, Lucy loved "Star Trek." 194 00:08:11,835 --> 00:08:13,712 And we wouldn't have had "Star Trek" without Lucy, 195 00:08:13,736 --> 00:08:14,902 so we love Lucy. 196 00:08:15,004 --> 00:08:18,606 You know, my father passed away when I was 17. 197 00:08:18,708 --> 00:08:21,042 He's got such a legacy and he's touched so many people 198 00:08:21,110 --> 00:08:24,445 that I've learned a great deal about him after his passing. 199 00:08:24,547 --> 00:08:26,981 You know, he was a bomber pilot in World War II. 200 00:08:27,083 --> 00:08:32,053 He flew something like, uh, is it 79 or 89 missions. 201 00:08:32,121 --> 00:08:34,188 My father had seen the best of humanity 202 00:08:34,290 --> 00:08:35,857 and he'd seen the worst of humanity. 203 00:08:35,925 --> 00:08:38,226 But I think that really helped shape his view 204 00:08:38,294 --> 00:08:40,394 of "Star Trek" and that better future. 205 00:08:45,568 --> 00:08:49,303 The pilot episode of "Star Trek" is filmed in 1965, 206 00:08:49,405 --> 00:08:51,305 introducing the world to what would become 207 00:08:51,407 --> 00:08:54,275 one of the most iconic characters of all time, 208 00:08:54,377 --> 00:08:56,511 Mr. Spock. 209 00:08:56,579 --> 00:08:58,746 And he shoved a picture of Leonard Nimoy 210 00:08:58,848 --> 00:08:59,947 across the desk at me. 211 00:09:00,049 --> 00:09:03,851 At that point, he was a Martian first officer. 212 00:09:03,953 --> 00:09:05,887 He said a character with pointed ears, 213 00:09:05,955 --> 00:09:08,356 and that set me back a bit. 214 00:09:08,458 --> 00:09:10,224 I had to think about that one. 215 00:09:10,326 --> 00:09:15,796 Leonard was an actor. He was a real actor. 216 00:09:15,865 --> 00:09:17,409 And he walked me through the various departments. 217 00:09:17,433 --> 00:09:19,267 He showed me where they were making the props. 218 00:09:19,335 --> 00:09:21,669 He showed me where the sets were being designed, 219 00:09:21,771 --> 00:09:23,871 the design for the Enterprise, the ship. 220 00:09:23,973 --> 00:09:27,275 And I realized that he was selling me on this job. 221 00:09:27,377 --> 00:09:30,011 And that's the way it would happen. 222 00:09:30,113 --> 00:09:33,014 The network orders a new "Star Trek" pilot. 223 00:09:33,116 --> 00:09:34,649 Spock stays on board, 224 00:09:34,751 --> 00:09:37,084 but the Enterprise gets an entirely new crew, 225 00:09:37,153 --> 00:09:39,987 including a brash, young captain, 226 00:09:40,056 --> 00:09:41,355 James T. Kirk. 227 00:09:41,424 --> 00:09:45,493 William Shatner had Kirk down 228 00:09:45,595 --> 00:09:47,595 from act one, scene one, 229 00:09:47,697 --> 00:09:49,308 and he played that through right till the end 230 00:09:49,332 --> 00:09:51,566 Generations" in 1994. 231 00:09:51,668 --> 00:09:53,734 You know, Shatner, who's totally nailing the part, 232 00:09:53,803 --> 00:09:57,038 but DeForest Kelley, the person that Gene wanted 233 00:09:57,140 --> 00:09:59,507 from the beginning for Dr. McCoy. 234 00:09:59,609 --> 00:10:02,209 Scotty felt like he was a little more fully formed 235 00:10:02,312 --> 00:10:03,778 as a character. 236 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,314 There was an empathy with Jimmy Doohan's performance. 237 00:10:06,416 --> 00:10:08,494 We just liked Scotty. You wanted to hang out with Scotty. 238 00:10:08,518 --> 00:10:11,485 You wanted to go have a drink in the bar with Scotty, you know? 239 00:10:11,588 --> 00:10:13,132 It's a very hallowed and beloved thing 240 00:10:13,156 --> 00:10:14,855 that you don't want to mess up. 241 00:10:14,958 --> 00:10:16,457 I feel honored to play Scotty. 242 00:10:16,526 --> 00:10:18,304 I will always defer to the greatest Scotty ever, 243 00:10:18,328 --> 00:10:19,694 which was James Doohan, 244 00:10:19,796 --> 00:10:22,630 but if I can do half as good as he did, then I'll be happy. 245 00:10:22,732 --> 00:10:26,300 George Takei, who plays Mr. Sulu, sat at the helm. 246 00:10:26,369 --> 00:10:29,503 An Asian man on a show like this, 247 00:10:29,606 --> 00:10:31,238 you seldom saw anything like that. 248 00:10:31,341 --> 00:10:33,341 And here he was, a man with responsibilities. 249 00:10:33,443 --> 00:10:34,575 He was the helmsman. 250 00:10:34,644 --> 00:10:37,244 Everyone, Nichelle, just beautiful and smart 251 00:10:37,347 --> 00:10:40,314 and an incredible role model as Uhura. 252 00:10:40,416 --> 00:10:45,252 I think the first memory of "Star Trek" really was going, 253 00:10:45,355 --> 00:10:47,088 "Oh, look..." 254 00:10:47,190 --> 00:10:48,823 "There's a black lady in the future." 255 00:10:48,925 --> 00:10:51,125 And this was the first time I knew 256 00:10:51,194 --> 00:10:53,461 we would be in the future. 257 00:10:53,563 --> 00:10:55,363 Later on, Walter Koenig as Chekov. 258 00:10:55,465 --> 00:10:58,332 If the circumstances hadn't fallen the way they did, 259 00:10:58,434 --> 00:10:59,945 if things hadn't happened the way they did, 260 00:10:59,969 --> 00:11:02,570 then I probably never been in for the role 261 00:11:02,639 --> 00:11:04,772 of Chekov on "Star Trek." 262 00:11:04,841 --> 00:11:07,775 I read one line. He says, "You got the part." 263 00:11:07,844 --> 00:11:09,377 And that was the part of a Russian. 264 00:11:09,479 --> 00:11:10,811 Who had a Russian on the show? 265 00:11:10,913 --> 00:11:14,115 We were still just reaching out trying to make contact 266 00:11:14,217 --> 00:11:15,950 with Russia in a friendly sense. 267 00:11:16,019 --> 00:11:17,685 To bring these people together 268 00:11:17,754 --> 00:11:20,454 created the magic that is "Star Trek." 269 00:11:20,556 --> 00:11:23,724 From day one, we got along... 270 00:11:23,826 --> 00:11:25,559 Just like that. 271 00:11:25,662 --> 00:11:27,172 With the cast and crew assembled, 272 00:11:27,196 --> 00:11:30,398 the Enterprise is nearly ready to begin its mission. 273 00:11:30,466 --> 00:11:33,668 But Roddenberry knows something is missing. 274 00:11:33,770 --> 00:11:37,805 G.R. said, "I gotta do an opening for the show." 275 00:11:37,907 --> 00:11:40,875 So he said, "You take a shot at it, 276 00:11:40,943 --> 00:11:43,344 I'll take a shot at it, we'll see what happens." 277 00:11:43,446 --> 00:11:45,006 It was, "Space... the final frontier," 278 00:11:45,048 --> 00:11:48,015 was yours, wasn't it? - Yeah. 279 00:11:48,117 --> 00:11:49,650 "The final frontier." 280 00:11:49,752 --> 00:11:50,985 "Space... 281 00:11:51,087 --> 00:11:52,887 "the final frontier. 282 00:11:56,592 --> 00:12:00,261 So it was some Roddenberry, it was some Black. 283 00:12:00,363 --> 00:12:04,098 We came out with... 284 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,501 "Boldly go where no man has gone before." 285 00:12:07,603 --> 00:12:11,038 To boldly go where no man has gone before. 286 00:12:18,514 --> 00:12:20,081 NBC premieres "Star Trek" 287 00:12:20,149 --> 00:12:23,451 on a Thursday night in the fall of 1966. 288 00:12:23,519 --> 00:12:25,664 Well, the first episode of "Star Trek," "The Man Trap," 289 00:12:25,688 --> 00:12:28,222 had 47% audience share. 290 00:12:28,324 --> 00:12:30,991 Lucy wrote a memo to Gene Roddenberry saying, 291 00:12:31,060 --> 00:12:33,427 "Congratulations, boys, you're a hit." 292 00:12:33,529 --> 00:12:35,062 Back in the late '60s, 293 00:12:35,164 --> 00:12:38,265 what "Star Trek" was doing on television was cutting edge. 294 00:12:38,334 --> 00:12:39,700 It was ahead of its time. 295 00:12:39,802 --> 00:12:42,336 This was the first time we saw a miniskirt on television. 296 00:12:42,438 --> 00:12:44,872 "Star Trek" premiered in September of '66, 297 00:12:44,974 --> 00:12:47,641 the mini made its debut in London 298 00:12:47,710 --> 00:12:50,945 in the summer of '66 and had not made it to America. 299 00:12:51,047 --> 00:12:52,913 He was way ahead of his time. 300 00:12:52,982 --> 00:12:55,716 It was also a science fiction series 301 00:12:55,785 --> 00:12:59,553 that took the subject matter very seriously. 302 00:12:59,622 --> 00:13:02,123 "Star Trek" is unlike anything on television 303 00:13:02,225 --> 00:13:04,592 at the time, but what makes it unique 304 00:13:04,694 --> 00:13:06,861 also threatens to destroy it. 305 00:13:08,598 --> 00:13:11,298 Coming up, the end of "Star Trek" 306 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:12,848 is just the beginning. 307 00:13:13,863 --> 00:13:15,974 "Star Trek" premieres in 1966, 308 00:13:16,042 --> 00:13:19,210 and instantly becomes one of the most ground-breaking series 309 00:13:19,312 --> 00:13:21,312 in the history of television. 310 00:13:21,415 --> 00:13:22,914 Gene Roddenberry's vision 311 00:13:23,016 --> 00:13:25,750 is a sign of changing times in America. 312 00:13:25,852 --> 00:13:29,754 A story about a hopeful future made in a difficult time. 313 00:13:29,856 --> 00:13:31,723 The times were tough. 314 00:13:31,825 --> 00:13:34,793 The war in Vietnam, the racial issues that were happening, 315 00:13:34,895 --> 00:13:38,830 riots in the streets, riots at political conventions. 316 00:13:38,932 --> 00:13:41,366 People were angry and upset and nervous and concerned. 317 00:13:41,468 --> 00:13:43,034 And it was this thing that said, "Hey, 318 00:13:43,136 --> 00:13:44,947 "in the future we have a way of dealing with these issues. 319 00:13:44,971 --> 00:13:46,471 "It's gonna be okay. 320 00:13:46,573 --> 00:13:49,207 "Here's a group of people who are solving problems together. 321 00:13:49,309 --> 00:13:51,543 And they're all different, diverse people." 322 00:13:51,645 --> 00:13:53,423 "Star Trek" tackles the most pressing 323 00:13:53,447 --> 00:13:55,880 social issues of its day. 324 00:13:55,982 --> 00:13:59,083 We had the one where Uhura and Kirk kissed. 325 00:13:59,186 --> 00:14:01,564 That, I think, was more of... I mean, I think that was great. 326 00:14:01,588 --> 00:14:04,122 And the people in the South, there were probably 327 00:14:04,224 --> 00:14:06,391 a lot of people jumping out of windows at that. 328 00:14:06,493 --> 00:14:08,193 The director was nervous. 329 00:14:08,295 --> 00:14:11,029 The front office at Paramount was nervous, 330 00:14:11,131 --> 00:14:14,032 which was just dumb, you know, then don't do it, 331 00:14:14,134 --> 00:14:15,366 which is what I said. 332 00:14:15,469 --> 00:14:17,469 And they went, "You don't want to do it?" 333 00:14:17,571 --> 00:14:20,338 I said, "I want to do it. It's written in the script. 334 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,040 It's a great scene." 335 00:14:22,142 --> 00:14:26,311 This is the first interracial kiss on television. 336 00:14:35,922 --> 00:14:40,658 They were writing some pretty major stuff in those days. 337 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,795 I mean, very eloquent writers. Very knowledgeable. 338 00:14:43,897 --> 00:14:47,198 They did "Mark of Gideon," which got a lot of flack, 339 00:14:47,300 --> 00:14:50,869 about birth control, overpopulation. 340 00:14:50,971 --> 00:14:52,515 'Cause nobody had talked about that on TV 341 00:14:52,539 --> 00:14:53,938 up until that point. 342 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:58,743 NBC was disappointed with "Star Trek" from the get-go, 343 00:14:58,845 --> 00:15:01,246 but the rating were not bad 344 00:15:01,348 --> 00:15:04,215 and the fan mail was huge. 345 00:15:04,317 --> 00:15:06,150 "Star Trek" is doing things 346 00:15:06,253 --> 00:15:08,520 that a lot of the affiliates were uncomfortable with, 347 00:15:08,622 --> 00:15:11,356 so they kept moving it from one bad slot to another 348 00:15:11,458 --> 00:15:13,491 until they finally put it in the death slot 349 00:15:13,593 --> 00:15:15,693 to get rid of this show. 350 00:15:15,795 --> 00:15:17,729 That is what killed "Star Trek." 351 00:15:17,831 --> 00:15:19,431 The original series is canceled 352 00:15:19,533 --> 00:15:22,433 after 3 seasons and 79 episodes. 353 00:15:22,536 --> 00:15:24,002 But it's gained a cult following 354 00:15:24,104 --> 00:15:26,337 that's become undeniable. 355 00:15:26,439 --> 00:15:29,207 Within four years, "Trek" is back on the air. 356 00:15:29,309 --> 00:15:33,111 This time reaching a new generation of young fans. 357 00:15:38,118 --> 00:15:39,495 My first contact with "Star Trek" 358 00:15:39,519 --> 00:15:42,587 was probably watching the animated series 359 00:15:42,689 --> 00:15:46,190 on Saturday morning TV in the early '70s. 360 00:15:46,293 --> 00:15:49,527 And, you know, I was really struck by the, you know, 361 00:15:49,629 --> 00:15:51,796 the bright colors of the uniforms. 362 00:15:51,898 --> 00:15:54,232 The fans were very wary. 363 00:15:54,334 --> 00:15:56,601 In fact, some of the cast was wary too. 364 00:15:56,703 --> 00:15:58,814 They felt, "Hey, 'Star Trek' is starting to get momentum. 365 00:15:58,838 --> 00:16:00,449 "We think there could be more life in this. 366 00:16:00,473 --> 00:16:02,307 But if we do a cartoon, it's gonna kill it." 367 00:16:02,409 --> 00:16:04,842 And Gene Roddenberry was very cagey and very smart. 368 00:16:04,945 --> 00:16:06,878 He says, "No, this will fan the flames. 369 00:16:06,980 --> 00:16:09,213 This will keep it alive rather than let it disappear." 370 00:16:09,316 --> 00:16:10,715 And he was right. 371 00:16:10,817 --> 00:16:13,251 It sounds funny for saying this, 372 00:16:13,353 --> 00:16:16,287 but it has never been canceled. 373 00:16:16,389 --> 00:16:22,627 You know, um, we were just off longer than we wanted to be. 374 00:16:29,769 --> 00:16:31,703 So then we have the '70s, right, '70s hit. 375 00:16:31,805 --> 00:16:34,205 Everyone went to see that "Star Wars" situation. 376 00:16:34,307 --> 00:16:36,174 I think we can make some money. 377 00:16:36,276 --> 00:16:38,443 So you had a TV script that was being padded out 378 00:16:38,545 --> 00:16:39,811 into a motion picture. 379 00:16:39,913 --> 00:16:41,613 They took themselves a little too seriously 380 00:16:41,715 --> 00:16:43,759 and they were trying to be a little more like, "2001." 381 00:16:43,783 --> 00:16:45,516 Then they brought in Robert Wise 382 00:16:45,619 --> 00:16:49,253 because he was known as a big-time movie director. 383 00:16:49,356 --> 00:16:50,922 There never really been a movie 384 00:16:51,024 --> 00:16:52,724 years after a show was canceled. 385 00:16:55,495 --> 00:16:56,894 "Star Trek" would be the beginning 386 00:16:56,997 --> 00:16:59,731 of that phenomena, which... now, you know, 387 00:16:59,833 --> 00:17:01,265 well, unceasing phenomena. 388 00:17:01,368 --> 00:17:04,402 When we came back to do the first really big one 389 00:17:04,504 --> 00:17:08,706 that we did after being away so long, 390 00:17:08,808 --> 00:17:11,909 it was amazing. 391 00:17:12,012 --> 00:17:13,612 The Motion Picture" 392 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,848 hits theaters in December of 1979. 393 00:17:16,950 --> 00:17:19,484 But the cast has its doubts. 394 00:17:19,586 --> 00:17:22,387 So Robert Wise was a very good filmmaker. 395 00:17:22,489 --> 00:17:25,423 He was a multiple Academy Award-winning director, 396 00:17:25,525 --> 00:17:27,525 but he did not know "Star Trek." 397 00:17:27,627 --> 00:17:30,828 We sat down to watch that first movie 398 00:17:30,930 --> 00:17:32,697 and the beginning was great. 399 00:17:32,799 --> 00:17:35,667 Dat-dat-dat-dat-dat-dat-dat. Bum-bum-bum-bum. 400 00:17:35,769 --> 00:17:38,636 And then it suddenly became a talking heads movie. 401 00:17:38,738 --> 00:17:40,578 Where was the friction? Where was the conflict? 402 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,106 Where was the passion? 403 00:17:42,208 --> 00:17:43,653 It had very little to do with "Star Trek." 404 00:17:43,677 --> 00:17:45,243 You had the spaceship, the Enterprise. 405 00:17:45,345 --> 00:17:47,178 You had the crew. 406 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:48,880 But the story had very little to do 407 00:17:48,982 --> 00:17:50,782 with anything "Star Trek-y." 408 00:17:50,884 --> 00:17:53,785 The characters were not in shape, in place, 409 00:17:53,887 --> 00:17:55,431 playing off of each other and with each other 410 00:17:55,455 --> 00:17:57,288 the way we did best. 411 00:17:57,390 --> 00:17:59,290 Why are they wearing pajamas? 412 00:17:59,392 --> 00:18:04,262 Why, you know, does it look like they're in a Holiday Inn? 413 00:18:04,364 --> 00:18:06,464 So a lot of what "The Wrath of Khan" 414 00:18:06,566 --> 00:18:09,400 proved to be about aesthetically 415 00:18:09,502 --> 00:18:12,603 and maybe even intellectually as well 416 00:18:12,706 --> 00:18:15,473 was a reaction to what I saw. 417 00:18:15,575 --> 00:18:18,443 And for a movie that was so poorly received, 418 00:18:18,545 --> 00:18:20,044 we had done extremely well. 419 00:18:20,146 --> 00:18:23,214 To my great surprise, they said, "Star Trek II." 420 00:18:23,316 --> 00:18:26,384 "The Wrath of Khan" becomes an instant classic. 421 00:18:26,486 --> 00:18:29,387 It's villain is a genetically engineered superhuman, 422 00:18:29,489 --> 00:18:31,355 who first appeared in the original series 423 00:18:31,458 --> 00:18:34,392 bent on revenge against Captain Kirk. 424 00:18:34,494 --> 00:18:36,027 "Wrath of Khan" is a classic. 425 00:18:36,129 --> 00:18:39,697 I mean, "Wrath of Khan" just works on every level. 426 00:18:39,799 --> 00:18:42,800 You know, it just does. It's pop entertainment. 427 00:18:42,902 --> 00:18:47,605 It's a fan's dream. It's fun. It's funny. 428 00:18:47,707 --> 00:18:49,474 The visual effects are state of the art 429 00:18:49,576 --> 00:18:51,375 and really hold up even to this day. 430 00:18:51,478 --> 00:18:53,144 Those space battles are fantastic. 431 00:18:53,246 --> 00:18:56,814 Montalban was a charismatic actor. 432 00:18:56,916 --> 00:18:59,317 He really gave us this wonderful performance. 433 00:18:59,419 --> 00:19:01,586 It was theatrical, imaginative, creative 434 00:19:01,688 --> 00:19:04,455 performance as Khan in "Star Trek II." 435 00:19:04,557 --> 00:19:07,125 And he looked great. 436 00:19:07,227 --> 00:19:09,827 And that was his chest that people thought 437 00:19:09,929 --> 00:19:12,096 had been built up with makeup or something. 438 00:19:12,198 --> 00:19:13,865 That was him, you know? 439 00:19:13,967 --> 00:19:17,201 It was really Ricardo Montalban. 440 00:19:17,303 --> 00:19:20,071 That's his chest. It's his chest. 441 00:19:20,173 --> 00:19:23,574 Gives you an idea of "Star Trek-ian" scholarship 442 00:19:23,676 --> 00:19:28,212 that that's the most, you know, frequently asked question. 443 00:19:28,314 --> 00:19:29,447 Behind the scenes, 444 00:19:29,549 --> 00:19:31,749 the cast didn't always get along. 445 00:19:31,851 --> 00:19:35,153 I had immediately had a good rapport with Nick Meyer, 446 00:19:35,255 --> 00:19:37,388 but as we went through several rehearsals 447 00:19:37,490 --> 00:19:39,090 working with the camera, 448 00:19:39,192 --> 00:19:41,359 Shatner would come over to me 449 00:19:41,461 --> 00:19:43,127 and start trying to redirect me. 450 00:19:43,229 --> 00:19:46,264 - Is the word given, Admiral? - The word is given. 451 00:19:46,366 --> 00:19:48,699 So I finally said, "Can I stop for a second?" 452 00:19:48,802 --> 00:19:50,468 Nick said to me, "What's the matter, Ike?" 453 00:19:50,570 --> 00:19:52,270 I said, "Well, I'm getting direction 454 00:19:52,372 --> 00:19:53,771 "from other people on the set, 455 00:19:53,873 --> 00:19:55,433 "and it's making me very uncomfortable. 456 00:19:55,508 --> 00:19:57,742 "I just want to make sure I'm doing my job correctly, 457 00:19:57,844 --> 00:19:59,410 So I'm listening to you." 458 00:19:59,512 --> 00:20:01,012 And he said, "That's right. 459 00:20:01,114 --> 00:20:03,181 You're listening to me. We good?" 460 00:20:03,283 --> 00:20:05,550 I said, "We're good. Thank you very much." 461 00:20:05,652 --> 00:20:08,352 And I just stood back. 462 00:20:08,454 --> 00:20:11,355 No one else ever said anything to me again after that. 463 00:20:12,859 --> 00:20:15,860 Khan uses mind control to achieve his ends, 464 00:20:15,962 --> 00:20:18,396 delivered in a gruesome way. 465 00:20:18,498 --> 00:20:23,301 They're young. Enter through the ears. 466 00:20:23,403 --> 00:20:26,938 And wrap themselves around the cerebral cortex. 467 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:28,372 Yeah, well, that was fun. 468 00:20:28,474 --> 00:20:30,608 You know, being on the other end of that. 469 00:20:30,710 --> 00:20:33,277 What it was, it was a stunt bug. 470 00:20:33,379 --> 00:20:35,012 No, it wasn't a stunt bug. 471 00:20:35,114 --> 00:20:38,182 It was... it was a little thing that had 472 00:20:38,284 --> 00:20:40,418 a little rubbery plastic thing, 473 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:44,889 and they had a fine filament thread attached to it. 474 00:20:44,991 --> 00:20:46,858 It was very hard to see. 475 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:48,860 When it was going up my face, 476 00:20:48,962 --> 00:20:51,462 there was actually a guy standing above me, 477 00:20:51,564 --> 00:20:54,131 and they had drilled a hole in my helmet, 478 00:20:54,234 --> 00:20:57,802 and he was pulling it up my face on that filament. 479 00:20:57,904 --> 00:21:01,606 And when they got to my ear, 480 00:21:01,708 --> 00:21:05,142 and them I made all those screams, 481 00:21:05,245 --> 00:21:07,945 really unbecoming an officer, 482 00:21:08,047 --> 00:21:10,348 but they... that's what they wanted. 483 00:21:17,390 --> 00:21:19,201 But there is one scene that has become 484 00:21:19,225 --> 00:21:22,059 the defining moment in "The Wrath of Khan." 485 00:21:22,161 --> 00:21:25,563 I read that script and I saw the conflict, 486 00:21:25,665 --> 00:21:27,231 and I saw the passion in it, 487 00:21:27,333 --> 00:21:31,335 and when I saw the scene where Spock tries to save the ship 488 00:21:31,437 --> 00:21:32,870 and dies in the process, I said, 489 00:21:32,972 --> 00:21:35,439 "This is a good, good film." 490 00:21:35,541 --> 00:21:36,986 I really believed that this was going to be 491 00:21:37,010 --> 00:21:38,509 the final "Star Trek" movie. 492 00:21:38,611 --> 00:21:42,079 So I thought if "Star Trek" is coming to an end, 493 00:21:42,181 --> 00:21:44,916 maybe it's fitting that Spock should die 494 00:21:45,018 --> 00:21:46,550 saving the ship and the crew, 495 00:21:46,653 --> 00:21:48,619 and be a hero and go out in a blaze of glory. 496 00:21:48,721 --> 00:21:51,789 During the making of the movie, I began to be concerned 497 00:21:51,891 --> 00:21:53,357 that maybe I'd made a mistake. 498 00:21:53,459 --> 00:21:57,428 And on the day we went to shoot Spock's death scene, 499 00:21:57,530 --> 00:21:59,463 Harve came to me on the set. 500 00:21:59,565 --> 00:22:00,876 He came to me on the set and he said, 501 00:22:00,900 --> 00:22:04,201 "What can you give us that might be a thread 502 00:22:04,304 --> 00:22:07,438 for the future for Spock or 'Star Trek'?" 503 00:22:07,540 --> 00:22:08,973 And it took me a moment. I said, 504 00:22:09,075 --> 00:22:11,142 "I can do a mind-meld on DeForest Kelley 505 00:22:11,244 --> 00:22:12,710 "who's laying there unconscious, 506 00:22:12,812 --> 00:22:16,347 and I can say something ambiguous like, 'Remember.'" 507 00:22:16,449 --> 00:22:18,115 And that's how that moment came about. 508 00:22:18,217 --> 00:22:20,284 Remember. 509 00:22:20,386 --> 00:22:22,586 And then you have "Star Trek's" finest hour 510 00:22:22,689 --> 00:22:24,355 between Kirk and Spock. 511 00:22:24,457 --> 00:22:27,925 That death scene through the radiation chamber... 512 00:22:28,027 --> 00:22:29,493 Cried like a baby. 513 00:22:29,595 --> 00:22:32,496 I was always very touched by what happened 514 00:22:32,598 --> 00:22:34,432 in that... in that sequence. Ahem. 515 00:22:34,534 --> 00:22:38,002 I thought it was beautifully written, the death scene. 516 00:22:38,104 --> 00:22:39,870 And it really worked in the film. 517 00:22:39,973 --> 00:22:42,406 I have people still today who write me and say, 518 00:22:42,508 --> 00:22:43,948 "Every time I still see that picture 519 00:22:43,977 --> 00:22:46,110 "for the fifth, tenth time, I still cry when Spock... 520 00:22:46,212 --> 00:22:48,646 At that death scene," you know? 521 00:22:48,748 --> 00:22:50,548 I have been... 522 00:22:50,650 --> 00:22:53,351 and always shall be... 523 00:22:53,453 --> 00:22:55,453 your friend. 524 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,828 Live long... 525 00:23:03,930 --> 00:23:05,930 and prosper. 526 00:23:15,375 --> 00:23:18,109 Two short years after the success of "Khan," 527 00:23:18,211 --> 00:23:20,478 "Trek" returns to the big screen, 528 00:23:20,580 --> 00:23:23,514 and the franchise is truly reborn. 529 00:23:23,616 --> 00:23:26,650 "Star Trek III" was the first movie that Nimoy directed, 530 00:23:26,753 --> 00:23:29,754 and it was also his way to come back to "Star Trek" 531 00:23:29,856 --> 00:23:31,188 to bring Spock back. 532 00:23:31,290 --> 00:23:35,292 Nicholas Meyer, a very talented guy, was directing. 533 00:23:35,395 --> 00:23:38,095 I thought, "I-I can do what he does. 534 00:23:38,197 --> 00:23:39,964 I know what he's doing and I can do that." 535 00:23:40,066 --> 00:23:41,532 So I went in the next morning, 536 00:23:41,634 --> 00:23:43,434 and I put it to them very simply. 537 00:23:43,536 --> 00:23:45,403 I said, "Michael, you have two problems. 538 00:23:45,505 --> 00:23:47,972 "You want me to play Spock in 'Star Trek III, ' 539 00:23:48,074 --> 00:23:49,373 "and you need a director. 540 00:23:49,475 --> 00:23:52,009 I solved both of your problems with one stroke." 541 00:23:52,111 --> 00:23:53,210 And that's the way it went, 542 00:23:53,312 --> 00:23:55,379 and he said, "Okay, let's make a deal." 543 00:23:55,481 --> 00:23:57,515 And we immediately made a deal and went to work. 544 00:23:57,617 --> 00:24:01,519 You Klingon bastard. 545 00:24:01,621 --> 00:24:05,156 There are two more prisoners, Admiral. 546 00:24:05,258 --> 00:24:06,891 Do you want them killed too? 547 00:24:06,993 --> 00:24:11,328 It's just such a delicious badass son of a bitch, you know? 548 00:24:11,431 --> 00:24:15,433 He's just... he's just a bad guy with no remorse. 549 00:24:17,804 --> 00:24:20,071 I killed Kirk's son 550 00:24:20,173 --> 00:24:22,440 and I blew up the original Enterprise. 551 00:24:22,542 --> 00:24:25,376 Just freaking wiped it out. 552 00:24:27,413 --> 00:24:30,614 And I could do it again. 553 00:24:35,254 --> 00:24:39,523 I was asked to do "III," I didn't know how to do it. 554 00:24:39,625 --> 00:24:43,260 So I said I wasn't interested in doing it. 555 00:24:43,362 --> 00:24:46,063 I was not part of "IV" either. 556 00:24:46,165 --> 00:24:48,032 They had had a script written 557 00:24:48,134 --> 00:24:51,001 tailor-made to star Eddie Murphy, 558 00:24:51,104 --> 00:24:54,405 who was Paramount's other big star at the time. 559 00:24:54,507 --> 00:24:56,173 And Paramount didn't like the idea 560 00:24:56,275 --> 00:25:00,644 of putting all their golden eggs in one basket, 561 00:25:00,746 --> 00:25:03,781 Eddie Murphy and the Star Trek people. 562 00:25:03,883 --> 00:25:05,749 So I went to see Harve and Leonard, 563 00:25:05,852 --> 00:25:08,586 and they told me the story about the whales. 564 00:25:08,688 --> 00:25:11,655 And Harve said, "I'll write the outer space parts 565 00:25:11,757 --> 00:25:14,925 if you do the on Earth parts, you know, the bookend. 566 00:25:15,027 --> 00:25:17,862 And I said, "Okay." 567 00:25:17,964 --> 00:25:20,397 "Star Trek V" is hurt by it's budget 568 00:25:20,500 --> 00:25:22,867 more than anything else. It's not a badly directed film. 569 00:25:22,969 --> 00:25:25,936 In fact, Bill did a nice job directing for the most part, 570 00:25:26,038 --> 00:25:30,574 but they just didn't have enough money to recognize the vision, 571 00:25:30,676 --> 00:25:32,187 so it looks very cheap, and as a result, 572 00:25:32,211 --> 00:25:33,511 it feels like a bad movie. 573 00:25:33,613 --> 00:25:35,630 We watched the movie, we were like, 574 00:25:35,632 --> 00:25:36,458 "Yeah, that was great." 575 00:25:36,482 --> 00:25:37,848 And I remember my brother, 576 00:25:37,950 --> 00:25:39,394 he was the one who had not been drinking. 577 00:25:39,418 --> 00:25:40,985 He was looking at, like, 578 00:25:41,087 --> 00:25:42,820 "I don't think it really was great." 579 00:25:42,922 --> 00:25:44,933 We were like, "No, it was great. Let's watch it again." 580 00:25:44,957 --> 00:25:46,457 And we did, so we watched it again. 581 00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:49,260 That's probably the last time I saw "Star Trek V." 582 00:25:49,362 --> 00:25:53,597 Then "Star Trek V" came out and didn't perform well. 583 00:25:53,699 --> 00:25:57,401 And then Leonard came, and he had this genesis, 584 00:25:57,503 --> 00:26:00,037 you should pardon the pun, of an idea for "VI," 585 00:26:00,139 --> 00:26:03,707 which was all about the wall coming down in outer space. 586 00:26:03,809 --> 00:26:05,849 It was about the Klingons have been their substitute 587 00:26:05,878 --> 00:26:07,811 for the Russians. I went, "They were?" 588 00:26:07,914 --> 00:26:09,813 And we wrote it. 589 00:26:09,916 --> 00:26:12,883 His idea was that, you know, time's change. 590 00:26:12,985 --> 00:26:15,719 You know, you can't be, you know, mad at a group 591 00:26:15,821 --> 00:26:19,056 for 100 years and you don't know anything about them. 592 00:26:19,158 --> 00:26:20,758 Michael Dorn was my idea. 593 00:26:20,860 --> 00:26:23,594 He could play his own grandfather. 594 00:26:23,696 --> 00:26:25,863 I thought that would be funny. 595 00:26:25,965 --> 00:26:28,666 Coming up, the Enterprise returns to TV 596 00:26:28,768 --> 00:26:31,101 with a new mission and a new crew. 597 00:26:31,204 --> 00:26:34,138 When I heard that they were doing a next generation, 598 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,819 I went, "Oh, afraid I got to do this," you know? 599 00:26:40,941 --> 00:26:44,876 So "Star Trek IV" does gangbusters at the box office. 600 00:26:44,978 --> 00:26:47,012 They're like, "Hang on, this is a hot property." 601 00:26:47,114 --> 00:26:49,247 Gene's like, "Guess what, fellas? 602 00:26:49,349 --> 00:26:50,816 I want to do I on TV again." 603 00:26:50,918 --> 00:26:53,151 - And then Paramount's like... - "Yes, please." 604 00:26:53,253 --> 00:26:54,419 - "I might as well." - Yeah. 605 00:26:54,521 --> 00:26:55,732 "Well, it's sitting here doing nothing." 606 00:26:55,756 --> 00:26:56,933 - "How soon will you start?" - So then we have 607 00:26:56,957 --> 00:26:58,637 The Next Generation" comes out. 608 00:27:03,263 --> 00:27:04,663 In 1987, 609 00:27:04,765 --> 00:27:07,566 21 years after the original series hits the air, 610 00:27:07,668 --> 00:27:10,202 "Star Trek" returns to television with the premiere 611 00:27:10,304 --> 00:27:12,437 of "The Next Generation." 612 00:27:12,539 --> 00:27:15,106 Gene Roddenberry called me and he was talking about 613 00:27:15,209 --> 00:27:16,329 a new version of "Star Trek" 614 00:27:16,376 --> 00:27:19,077 bouncing off the movies, of course. 615 00:27:19,179 --> 00:27:23,415 He came up with the basics for the older captain, 616 00:27:23,517 --> 00:27:26,751 for the characters that we see in "Star Trek: Next Gen." 617 00:27:26,854 --> 00:27:29,688 Diehard fans are skeptical of the reboot. 618 00:27:29,790 --> 00:27:32,624 We got a bald, English captain with a French name 619 00:27:32,726 --> 00:27:35,694 and you got a Klingon on the bridge? 620 00:27:35,796 --> 00:27:38,697 Really? You got a blind guy driving the ship? 621 00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:40,799 Gene was there during the first couple of years 622 00:27:40,901 --> 00:27:45,537 and all the spinoffs carried on the tradition of "Star Trek." 623 00:27:45,639 --> 00:27:48,673 When that cast was first assembled and the show 624 00:27:48,775 --> 00:27:50,186 first went into production, "The Next Generation," 625 00:27:50,210 --> 00:27:51,570 I invited them here to this house, 626 00:27:51,612 --> 00:27:53,211 the whole bunch of them, all of them. 627 00:27:53,313 --> 00:27:55,193 "Come to my house. Let's get to know each other. 628 00:27:55,249 --> 00:27:58,350 And good luck, and bon voyage. I think... I hope it works." 629 00:27:58,452 --> 00:28:01,419 When I first auditioned for "Next Gen," 630 00:28:01,521 --> 00:28:03,255 I was one of the few people in the world 631 00:28:03,357 --> 00:28:06,725 who was not quite aware of the phenomenon 632 00:28:06,827 --> 00:28:09,427 that we were about to get involved with. 633 00:28:09,529 --> 00:28:12,464 When I heard that they were doing a next generation, 634 00:28:12,566 --> 00:28:15,333 I went, "Oh, afraid I gotta do this," you know? 635 00:28:15,435 --> 00:28:17,555 I got a call from my agent who said, "You know what? 636 00:28:17,604 --> 00:28:19,082 They're casting 'Star Trek.' Oh, my God." 637 00:28:19,106 --> 00:28:20,506 And she was a huge "Star Trek" fan. 638 00:28:20,574 --> 00:28:24,142 I had no clue it was going to be a big show. 639 00:28:24,244 --> 00:28:27,545 So LeVar Burton and I go to eat. 640 00:28:27,648 --> 00:28:29,114 I say, "What are you doing?" 641 00:28:29,216 --> 00:28:33,852 He said, "Oh, you'll love this. I'm doing 'Star Trek.'" 642 00:28:33,954 --> 00:28:36,655 I said, "Well, I want to be on that." 643 00:28:36,757 --> 00:28:38,401 And he was like, "What?" I was like, "No, no. 644 00:28:38,425 --> 00:28:40,458 You gotta tell them I want to be on the show." 645 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,962 And I made an appointment to go see Gene. 646 00:28:44,064 --> 00:28:47,565 And Gene says, "You want to be on 'Star Trek'?" 647 00:28:47,668 --> 00:28:50,936 I said, "Yes. Yes." 648 00:28:51,038 --> 00:28:55,206 And he asked me would I please write the pilot script, 649 00:28:55,309 --> 00:28:58,343 "Encounter At Farpoint." And I said, "Fine," did that. 650 00:28:58,445 --> 00:29:00,879 The question had been whether Gene Roddenberry would do, 651 00:29:00,981 --> 00:29:03,882 you know, like a retrospective back to the original "Star Trek" 652 00:29:03,984 --> 00:29:08,586 to lead into this or would he add to my pilot script. 653 00:29:08,689 --> 00:29:10,689 He added all the stuff that had to do with Q. 654 00:29:10,791 --> 00:29:13,925 Three days into shooting, uh, you know, 655 00:29:14,027 --> 00:29:16,795 somebody came up behind me and put his hand on my shoulder 656 00:29:16,897 --> 00:29:20,832 and said, "You have no idea what you've gotten yourself into." 657 00:29:20,934 --> 00:29:23,501 And it was... it was Roddenberry. 658 00:29:23,603 --> 00:29:26,671 And I didn't have any idea. I mean, you know. 659 00:29:26,773 --> 00:29:28,406 Riker's relationship with Picard, 660 00:29:28,508 --> 00:29:31,376 which was filled with respect. 661 00:29:31,478 --> 00:29:33,578 With Data, the curiosity that Data had 662 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,447 about being a human being. 663 00:29:35,549 --> 00:29:40,418 And I worked with Worf and Geordi, 664 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:41,965 the three of us were sort of, you know, 665 00:29:41,989 --> 00:29:44,656 we made the... we kept the together on the ship. 666 00:29:44,758 --> 00:29:49,160 And it was... it all got more natural. 667 00:29:49,262 --> 00:29:50,729 And as it got more natural, 668 00:29:50,831 --> 00:29:53,198 I think it got more appealing to the audience. 669 00:29:53,300 --> 00:29:54,700 I decided to write a spec script, 670 00:29:54,801 --> 00:29:57,335 so I wrote a script called "The Bonding." 671 00:29:57,437 --> 00:30:00,405 Michael Piller came aboard to be the new head writer, 672 00:30:00,507 --> 00:30:02,207 and he found my script. 673 00:30:02,309 --> 00:30:04,209 And I get this call one day 674 00:30:04,311 --> 00:30:06,745 that he wants to buy it and produce it, 675 00:30:06,847 --> 00:30:08,646 which literally changed my life. 676 00:30:08,749 --> 00:30:12,250 We used to do 26 episodes a year, and it was great. 677 00:30:12,352 --> 00:30:13,685 So we'd work for ten months, 678 00:30:13,787 --> 00:30:15,854 and then the first Monday after the 4th of July, 679 00:30:15,956 --> 00:30:17,155 we'd come back to work. 680 00:30:17,257 --> 00:30:21,359 And that lasted for seven years and could have lasted, 681 00:30:21,461 --> 00:30:23,695 in all fairness, for ten years probably. 682 00:30:23,797 --> 00:30:27,499 The humans of the 24th century on "Next Generation" 683 00:30:27,601 --> 00:30:30,335 didn't have the kinds of problems and squabbles 684 00:30:30,437 --> 00:30:34,472 and petty jealousies that we have today. 685 00:30:34,574 --> 00:30:36,674 Chief O'Brien talks to me. 686 00:30:36,777 --> 00:30:39,344 Keiko talks to you. 687 00:30:39,446 --> 00:30:40,912 Why do they not talk to each other? 688 00:30:41,014 --> 00:30:44,349 That's a good question, Data. 689 00:30:44,451 --> 00:30:46,818 I wish I had a good answer for you. 690 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,820 Perhaps when they're ready, they will. 691 00:30:48,922 --> 00:30:53,758 Hmm. Many aspects of this situation are puzzling to me. 692 00:30:53,860 --> 00:30:58,563 Roddenberry somehow magically made us... made me 693 00:30:58,665 --> 00:31:03,468 believe in his vision of the 24th century, right? 694 00:31:03,570 --> 00:31:06,738 He said to me, "In the 24th century, 695 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,708 there will be no hunger, and there will be no greed. 696 00:31:10,811 --> 00:31:14,846 And all of the children will know how to read. 697 00:31:14,948 --> 00:31:16,014 Gene Roddenberry. 698 00:31:16,116 --> 00:31:18,883 He was given the right to do "Star Trek" 699 00:31:18,985 --> 00:31:20,318 the way he wanted to do it. 700 00:31:20,420 --> 00:31:23,088 Unfortunately his health was failing by the time 701 00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:25,924 they even got "Star Trek: The Next Generation" on. 702 00:31:26,026 --> 00:31:27,992 So he didn't really get the chance to do 703 00:31:28,095 --> 00:31:30,161 all of the things he wanted to do. 704 00:31:30,263 --> 00:31:33,198 When Gene Roddenberry dies in 1991, 705 00:31:33,300 --> 00:31:36,534 "The Next Generation" is more popular than ever. 706 00:31:36,636 --> 00:31:40,371 Carrying on his legacy, week after week, 707 00:31:40,474 --> 00:31:42,807 for the next three years. 708 00:31:42,909 --> 00:31:45,043 There were those of us, myself included, 709 00:31:45,145 --> 00:31:47,245 who thought it could go on for ten years. 710 00:31:47,347 --> 00:31:48,947 That we weren't done yet. 711 00:31:49,049 --> 00:31:52,684 Knowing that there was another series waiting in the wings 712 00:31:52,786 --> 00:31:55,053 where we could continue to tell stories 713 00:31:55,155 --> 00:31:57,689 that we hadn't told yet made that okay. 714 00:31:57,791 --> 00:32:01,159 And it seemed smart to take "Next Gen" off 715 00:32:01,261 --> 00:32:02,827 at the peak of its popularity. 716 00:32:02,929 --> 00:32:04,796 'Cause it was a very popular show. 717 00:32:04,898 --> 00:32:07,265 There is a part of me that wished, 718 00:32:07,367 --> 00:32:10,535 that wishes "Next Gen" had continued. 719 00:32:15,675 --> 00:32:19,310 I was asked to direct the first "Next Generation" movie. 720 00:32:19,412 --> 00:32:20,778 I just... I wasn't attracted to it. 721 00:32:20,881 --> 00:32:22,680 I read it, 722 00:32:22,782 --> 00:32:24,349 and it didn't feel like something 723 00:32:24,451 --> 00:32:26,584 that I was gonna have a good time doing. 724 00:32:26,686 --> 00:32:29,554 Ron Moore and I were asked to write 725 00:32:29,656 --> 00:32:31,923 the first "Next Generation" movie. 726 00:32:32,025 --> 00:32:34,159 We were very excited. 727 00:32:34,261 --> 00:32:36,494 It was the first movie either of us had written. 728 00:32:36,596 --> 00:32:39,631 We loved these characters. We knew these characters. 729 00:32:39,733 --> 00:32:42,800 And we set about conceiving the first "Next Gen" movie. 730 00:32:42,903 --> 00:32:44,569 Kind of hand-off from the original series, 731 00:32:44,671 --> 00:32:45,770 Kirk to Picard. 732 00:32:45,872 --> 00:32:47,572 There was sort of a list of things 733 00:32:47,674 --> 00:32:49,374 that the movie had to have, 734 00:32:49,476 --> 00:32:50,653 so when Bran and I stepped in, 735 00:32:50,677 --> 00:32:52,577 here's the list of things it has to be. 736 00:32:52,679 --> 00:32:54,812 "It's gonna be the next first "Next Gen" movie. 737 00:32:54,915 --> 00:32:56,481 "It can have the original cast in it. 738 00:32:56,583 --> 00:32:58,616 "We want a transition film, but the original cast 739 00:32:58,718 --> 00:33:00,163 "can only be in the first ten minutes 740 00:33:00,187 --> 00:33:02,086 "or 15 minutes of the movie tops. 741 00:33:02,189 --> 00:33:03,488 "It has to be a Picard story. 742 00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:05,623 "There has to be a Data humorous runner in it. 743 00:33:05,725 --> 00:33:08,860 "We want to have a big villain, sort of like Khan. 744 00:33:08,962 --> 00:33:10,962 "We also want to have the Klingons in it. 745 00:33:11,064 --> 00:33:13,665 And it should probably have some time travel involved." 746 00:33:13,767 --> 00:33:16,401 And you're just going, "Okay. 747 00:33:16,503 --> 00:33:19,070 By the time "Generations," the first movie, is coming out, 748 00:33:19,172 --> 00:33:21,739 you have Kirk and Picard on the cover of "Time" magazine. 749 00:33:21,841 --> 00:33:24,642 That's the apex, it's the zenith of the show. 750 00:33:24,744 --> 00:33:26,578 "Generations" was still in the theaters 751 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,813 when the said, "Hey, let's do another one. 752 00:33:28,915 --> 00:33:29,926 And we want you guys to do the second one." 753 00:33:29,950 --> 00:33:31,249 And we said, "Okay." 754 00:33:31,351 --> 00:33:34,385 "First Contact" was the film that they should have made 755 00:33:34,487 --> 00:33:36,221 every time after that. 756 00:33:36,323 --> 00:33:38,022 Then the second movie, "First Contact," 757 00:33:38,124 --> 00:33:39,991 is, you know, a roller coaster ride 758 00:33:40,093 --> 00:33:43,027 and wonderful and really sort of redeems that franchise. 759 00:33:43,129 --> 00:33:46,264 That movie was a huge success. It made a lot of money. 760 00:33:46,366 --> 00:33:47,665 And everybody liked it. 761 00:33:47,767 --> 00:33:49,934 And Alfre Woodard was great in it. 762 00:33:50,036 --> 00:33:51,302 And Cromwell was great in it. 763 00:33:51,404 --> 00:33:56,674 I'm not a drinker, so I got a fifth of Jamesons. 764 00:33:56,776 --> 00:34:00,945 And I took one before when we rehearsed. 765 00:34:01,047 --> 00:34:04,849 And then between every shot, I would go back up to my tr... 766 00:34:06,653 --> 00:34:11,356 So by the time I did the thing we're at the bar, 767 00:34:11,458 --> 00:34:16,894 when I take the drink... 768 00:34:16,997 --> 00:34:19,797 Ahh! 769 00:34:19,899 --> 00:34:22,300 Oh! 770 00:34:24,104 --> 00:34:25,903 First Contact" 771 00:34:26,006 --> 00:34:29,374 debuts in 1996 with Commander Riker himself, 772 00:34:29,476 --> 00:34:32,210 Jonathan Frakes in the director's chair. 773 00:34:32,312 --> 00:34:33,723 It was great to work with Jonathan, you know? 774 00:34:33,747 --> 00:34:35,791 We'd worked with him before as a director on the show, 775 00:34:35,815 --> 00:34:38,483 so we knew his working methods, he knew us, you know. 776 00:34:38,585 --> 00:34:40,251 There was a great shorthand, obviously, 777 00:34:40,353 --> 00:34:42,220 between him and the entire cast and the crew. 778 00:34:42,322 --> 00:34:45,857 This was our first movie that was just "Next Gen." 779 00:34:45,959 --> 00:34:48,926 So that... that was a life-changer, you know. 780 00:34:49,029 --> 00:34:50,895 I think "Star Trek's" a TV show. 781 00:34:50,997 --> 00:34:54,165 The movies are fun, but, you know, 782 00:34:54,267 --> 00:34:55,700 it's... it's a TV show. 783 00:34:55,802 --> 00:34:59,070 It needs to tell the stories each week. 784 00:34:59,172 --> 00:35:02,140 "First Contact" is fanta... it's like... 785 00:35:02,242 --> 00:35:04,642 It's the best of the "Next Generation" movies. 786 00:35:04,744 --> 00:35:06,411 I'm sorry, everyone, that's how I feel. 787 00:35:06,513 --> 00:35:08,613 - Probably. - I see some grunting happening 788 00:35:08,715 --> 00:35:10,548 over on the corners here. 789 00:35:10,650 --> 00:35:12,884 Bobak, you grunted particularly hard. 790 00:35:12,986 --> 00:35:14,786 I'm just a big "Insurrection" fan because... 791 00:35:14,821 --> 00:35:16,020 What? What? 792 00:35:16,122 --> 00:35:17,602 It's the most like a "TNG" episode. 793 00:35:17,691 --> 00:35:20,224 The movies really, like, diverge from my thought 794 00:35:20,327 --> 00:35:21,492 what made the show great. 795 00:35:21,594 --> 00:35:24,962 And I like that it was a little bit more of that 796 00:35:25,065 --> 00:35:27,899 "TNG" -style episode than I felt the rest of the movies were. 797 00:35:28,001 --> 00:35:29,801 So we go from "Insurrection." 798 00:35:29,903 --> 00:35:32,570 "Voyager's" still running at this point. 799 00:35:32,672 --> 00:35:36,107 And then we end up with, I hate to say it, 800 00:35:36,209 --> 00:35:37,942 Nemesis," so Janeway... 801 00:35:38,044 --> 00:35:39,522 They asked me to be in that. Did you know that? 802 00:35:39,546 --> 00:35:41,146 Really? What were you gonna do in that? 803 00:35:41,181 --> 00:35:42,621 Were you gonna be on the Enterprise? 804 00:35:42,649 --> 00:35:43,793 - Evidently. - Why would you say no? 805 00:35:43,817 --> 00:35:45,049 What is wrong with you? 806 00:35:45,151 --> 00:35:46,595 'Cause I had just gotten off of "Voyager." 807 00:35:46,619 --> 00:35:48,397 - Oh, my God, Jeri. - My biggest fear is in signing 808 00:35:48,421 --> 00:35:51,255 on to "Star Trek" to begin with, not having been a fan, 809 00:35:51,358 --> 00:35:52,835 and not really knowing much about it other than that 810 00:35:52,859 --> 00:35:54,459 - the actors get pigeonholed. - Yeah. 811 00:35:54,561 --> 00:35:55,805 And it was sort of known for that. 812 00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:58,296 - Yeah. - That was one of my big fears 813 00:35:58,398 --> 00:36:01,566 in accepting the role is ever breaking out of that character. 814 00:36:01,668 --> 00:36:03,501 - I don't know if that's even... - No, please. 815 00:36:03,603 --> 00:36:05,214 - Known by anybody, but apparently they were 816 00:36:05,238 --> 00:36:06,270 replacing a character. 817 00:36:06,373 --> 00:36:08,306 They were gonna yank and character out 818 00:36:08,408 --> 00:36:10,174 and stick Seven of Nine in there. 819 00:36:10,276 --> 00:36:11,687 It's a popular character, get her in the movie. 820 00:36:11,711 --> 00:36:13,723 And that's what it felt like. And it didn't feel like 821 00:36:13,747 --> 00:36:14,890 it would be anything other than that story-wise. 822 00:36:14,914 --> 00:36:16,814 Yeah. 823 00:36:16,916 --> 00:36:20,620 Coming up, "Star Trek" takes a dark turn. 824 00:36:24,097 --> 00:36:26,297 "Deep Space Nine" is the most meaningful to me. 825 00:36:26,399 --> 00:36:29,033 - Mm-hmm. - Because it gets into 826 00:36:29,135 --> 00:36:30,267 the darker side. 827 00:36:30,370 --> 00:36:32,081 I mean, it's after Gene Roddenberry's death. 828 00:36:32,105 --> 00:36:35,139 They're kinda free to kind of get away from this, you know, 829 00:36:35,241 --> 00:36:37,308 - everything ends happily. - Yeah. 830 00:36:37,410 --> 00:36:39,722 You know, you look at war in a variety of different ways. 831 00:36:39,746 --> 00:36:42,013 I mean, there's a great episode on PTSD, 832 00:36:42,115 --> 00:36:44,949 where Nog has to deal with the loss of his leg. 833 00:36:45,051 --> 00:36:46,362 - Nobody does that kind of stuff. - Right. 834 00:36:46,386 --> 00:36:47,786 On science fiction in particular. 835 00:36:47,820 --> 00:36:51,088 And so I think that show in terms of its depth, 836 00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:53,324 in terms of the issues it would address, 837 00:36:53,426 --> 00:36:55,092 I thought made it the best. 838 00:36:55,194 --> 00:36:57,272 And, you know, arguably there are some of the best episodes 839 00:36:57,296 --> 00:36:59,797 of all 700-plus hours. 840 00:37:04,537 --> 00:37:06,181 "The Next Generation" had become such a success 841 00:37:06,205 --> 00:37:07,838 in first-run syndication for the studio 842 00:37:07,940 --> 00:37:10,441 that they wanted more, so you had "Deep Space Nine," 843 00:37:10,543 --> 00:37:13,611 which was about a space station 844 00:37:13,713 --> 00:37:15,079 and it was a little darker. 845 00:37:15,181 --> 00:37:16,847 "Next Gen" was my undergraduate studies 846 00:37:16,949 --> 00:37:18,649 in TV writing and production, 847 00:37:18,751 --> 00:37:20,129 and "Deep Space Nine" was graduate. 848 00:37:20,153 --> 00:37:23,888 "DS9" had such a different feel 849 00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:25,289 while still being "Star Trek." 850 00:37:25,391 --> 00:37:26,891 It took things even deeper. 851 00:37:26,993 --> 00:37:29,360 We were attracted to doing darker stories. 852 00:37:29,462 --> 00:37:31,195 We were attracted to doing stories 853 00:37:31,297 --> 00:37:32,737 that had much more conflict in them, 854 00:37:32,765 --> 00:37:34,432 that were more morally ambiguous, 855 00:37:34,534 --> 00:37:37,234 that were tackling difficult subject matter 856 00:37:37,336 --> 00:37:38,569 with our characters. 857 00:37:38,671 --> 00:37:41,439 And we all felt that we were pushing "Trek," 858 00:37:41,541 --> 00:37:43,301 but none of us felt like we were breaking it. 859 00:37:43,342 --> 00:37:47,678 That was the first time that you see 860 00:37:47,780 --> 00:37:54,685 what television is now, which is dark and foreboding. 861 00:37:54,787 --> 00:37:57,588 And I really wanted to do the show. 862 00:37:57,690 --> 00:37:59,724 Really wanted to do the show. 863 00:37:59,826 --> 00:38:01,425 I-I was like... 864 00:38:01,527 --> 00:38:04,995 I just... not only as an actor who would get a steady paycheck, 865 00:38:05,098 --> 00:38:07,598 but more importantly, as a fan of the show 866 00:38:07,700 --> 00:38:11,035 I wanted to be part of the ethos that was "Star Trek." 867 00:38:11,137 --> 00:38:14,071 It's really nice to see that people could stick with the show 868 00:38:14,173 --> 00:38:17,775 when it became darker and more demanding of its audience. 869 00:38:17,877 --> 00:38:23,514 But no victory can make this moment any easier for me. 870 00:38:23,616 --> 00:38:30,621 And I promise I will not rest until I stand with you again. 871 00:38:30,723 --> 00:38:32,623 Somebody had the brilliant idea 872 00:38:32,725 --> 00:38:36,927 of bringing Worf onto our show. 873 00:38:37,029 --> 00:38:40,364 Unfortunately, I will be away from the station at that time. 874 00:38:40,466 --> 00:38:42,199 What they hoped would happen did happen. 875 00:38:42,301 --> 00:38:45,436 Thousands, if not millions, of people 876 00:38:45,538 --> 00:38:48,472 watched because Worf was on the show. 877 00:38:48,574 --> 00:38:51,976 And so our fan base got resurrected 878 00:38:52,078 --> 00:38:53,410 because of Michael Dorn. 879 00:38:53,513 --> 00:38:55,980 And I had my concerns about that 880 00:38:56,082 --> 00:38:58,482 'cause I didn't want Worf to be standing around, 881 00:38:58,584 --> 00:39:00,818 just to be a, you know, some guy that just... 882 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,086 They throw in there. 883 00:39:02,188 --> 00:39:04,388 I really want him to open up as a character. 884 00:39:04,490 --> 00:39:08,025 Worf was, like, really the only choice from that cast 885 00:39:08,127 --> 00:39:09,967 that made any sense and that would actually add 886 00:39:10,029 --> 00:39:11,295 something to the puzzle. 887 00:39:11,397 --> 00:39:14,098 Here's the war-like character coming into a situation 888 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:15,666 that's a war-torn environment. 889 00:39:15,768 --> 00:39:18,135 So that made a certain amount of sense. 890 00:39:18,237 --> 00:39:21,405 What is that smell? 891 00:39:21,507 --> 00:39:26,577 Is there a pile of rotting forshak in here. 892 00:39:26,679 --> 00:39:28,979 I loved my time on "Next Generation," 893 00:39:29,081 --> 00:39:32,416 but the work I did on "Deep Space" was much better. 894 00:39:32,518 --> 00:39:35,186 Over my tenure on "Deep Space," 895 00:39:35,288 --> 00:39:36,520 that was the mantra was, 896 00:39:36,622 --> 00:39:38,823 "How far can we push this franchise? 897 00:39:38,925 --> 00:39:40,424 Or what are the places we can go 898 00:39:40,526 --> 00:39:41,937 that none of the other shows can go? 899 00:39:41,961 --> 00:39:43,527 What can't they do in 'Star Trek, ' 900 00:39:43,629 --> 00:39:45,095 and is there a way we can do it?" 901 00:39:45,198 --> 00:39:47,598 Every "Star Trek" show broke grounds in some way, you know? 902 00:39:47,633 --> 00:39:50,901 "Deep Space Nine," Sisko, he was a black captain. 903 00:39:51,003 --> 00:39:53,604 And then you have Janeway in "Voyager," a woman. 904 00:39:53,706 --> 00:39:56,240 I mean, they were always thinking ahead. 905 00:40:01,214 --> 00:40:03,781 When "Voyager" launches in 1995, 906 00:40:03,883 --> 00:40:05,749 "Star Trek" has been pushing the envelope 907 00:40:05,852 --> 00:40:07,651 for nearly 30 years. 908 00:40:07,753 --> 00:40:10,554 The new series pushes further. 909 00:40:10,656 --> 00:40:12,923 A lot of women of a certain age 910 00:40:13,025 --> 00:40:15,893 who that show meant a lot to because of Kate. 911 00:40:15,995 --> 00:40:17,494 You know, they look at it, you know, 912 00:40:17,597 --> 00:40:19,296 the same way that guys of my generation 913 00:40:19,398 --> 00:40:20,998 look at Kirk as a role model, 914 00:40:21,100 --> 00:40:23,234 they look at Kate's Janeway and say, 915 00:40:23,336 --> 00:40:25,836 "You know, she proved that, you know, 916 00:40:25,938 --> 00:40:29,273 "I could be thoughtful and smart and commanding, 917 00:40:29,375 --> 00:40:31,909 and not necessarily use my sexuality to get what I want." 918 00:40:32,011 --> 00:40:35,346 Then you leave me no choice. 919 00:40:35,448 --> 00:40:38,115 You are hereby relieved of duty until further notice. 920 00:40:38,217 --> 00:40:40,150 As a writer, writing Captain Janeway, 921 00:40:40,253 --> 00:40:41,986 I didn't think of her as a woman. 922 00:40:42,088 --> 00:40:43,454 I thought of her as the captain. 923 00:40:43,556 --> 00:40:46,724 And I think it's great that she ended up being a role model 924 00:40:46,826 --> 00:40:49,260 to a lot of people, men or women. 925 00:40:49,362 --> 00:40:51,528 I was very happy and proud 926 00:40:51,631 --> 00:40:55,466 of what the producers had done with this cast in "Voyager." 927 00:40:55,568 --> 00:40:57,768 First of all, starting off with a female captain 928 00:40:57,870 --> 00:40:59,270 'cause we had not seen that before. 929 00:40:59,338 --> 00:41:02,339 My friend, Rene, got cast in "Deep Space." 930 00:41:02,441 --> 00:41:05,743 And he told me how cool it was, and I envied him. 931 00:41:05,845 --> 00:41:07,685 I said, "What a great show to be on," you know. 932 00:41:07,713 --> 00:41:09,313 And then a couple of years later, 933 00:41:09,415 --> 00:41:11,015 boom, I was in "Voyager." 934 00:41:11,117 --> 00:41:12,917 And I-I had no idea 935 00:41:13,019 --> 00:41:15,019 what the character was makeup-wise, you know? 936 00:41:15,121 --> 00:41:17,922 But I flew out and I-I went into the room, 937 00:41:18,024 --> 00:41:20,057 and there was UPN, and there was Paramount, 938 00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:23,494 and there were the creators of "Star Trek." 939 00:41:23,596 --> 00:41:25,763 And, um, I read 940 00:41:25,865 --> 00:41:28,010 and I guess I was exactly what what they were looking for. 941 00:41:28,034 --> 00:41:30,801 Voyager" is probably my first acting job. 942 00:41:30,903 --> 00:41:32,836 And I was so excited, and I was so nervous. 943 00:41:32,939 --> 00:41:36,874 It was a two-part special and I was playing a scientist. 944 00:41:36,976 --> 00:41:38,309 What do you do here? 945 00:41:38,411 --> 00:41:41,211 - We watch the skies. - For what? 946 00:41:41,314 --> 00:41:43,847 Signs of extraterrestrial life. 947 00:41:43,950 --> 00:41:45,582 Nice meeting you. 948 00:41:45,685 --> 00:41:48,085 I remembered going to my acting coach, 949 00:41:48,187 --> 00:41:50,688 and he read through the script. 950 00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:53,090 And I was looking to him for guidance. 951 00:41:53,192 --> 00:41:55,793 And he just went, uh, 952 00:41:55,895 --> 00:41:58,462 "You know, sometimes when you're running from lasers, 953 00:41:58,564 --> 00:42:02,733 you just... you just gotta pretend you're running from lasers." 954 00:42:02,835 --> 00:42:06,303 Get down! 955 00:42:06,405 --> 00:42:08,105 I was like, "Oh.' Ahem. 956 00:42:08,207 --> 00:42:09,573 It gave me so much freedom. 957 00:42:09,675 --> 00:42:12,209 I was like, "Oh, yeah, I just... I pretend," you know? 958 00:42:12,311 --> 00:42:16,580 You don't really draw from your childhood or something. 959 00:42:16,682 --> 00:42:18,949 You just pretend you're running from lasers. 960 00:42:21,153 --> 00:42:22,853 What the hell? 961 00:42:22,955 --> 00:42:25,022 What I wanted to do was bring the Borg in. 962 00:42:25,124 --> 00:42:26,924 It was my feeling that the Borg 963 00:42:27,026 --> 00:42:29,526 could always be "Voyager's" Klingons. 964 00:42:29,628 --> 00:42:30,872 They needed a recurring villain. 965 00:42:30,896 --> 00:42:32,663 And for better or worse, 966 00:42:32,765 --> 00:42:34,331 that's what we ended up doing. 967 00:42:34,433 --> 00:42:36,600 And it's one of the things that defined "Voyager" 968 00:42:36,702 --> 00:42:39,303 was the introduction of the Seven of Nine character. 969 00:42:39,405 --> 00:42:44,041 You had a very sexy woman in a very sexy outfit. 970 00:42:44,143 --> 00:42:45,387 You know, it was supposed to lure in 971 00:42:45,411 --> 00:42:46,710 a certain male demographic. 972 00:42:46,812 --> 00:42:49,713 But, in reality, she was the Spock character. 973 00:42:49,815 --> 00:42:51,749 She was the Data character. 974 00:42:51,851 --> 00:42:52,950 Report. 975 00:42:53,052 --> 00:42:55,386 I've applied 10,053 algorithms 976 00:42:55,488 --> 00:42:58,622 to the energy signatures produced by chaotic space. 977 00:42:58,724 --> 00:43:01,892 The Roddenberry influence was always respected. 978 00:43:01,994 --> 00:43:04,161 We didn't want to do something 979 00:43:04,263 --> 00:43:08,098 totally, outrageously anti-Roddenberry. 980 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,312 It's almost like you have to keep pinching yourself. 981 00:43:10,336 --> 00:43:13,037 You show up on these sets and you have to remind yourself, 982 00:43:13,139 --> 00:43:15,773 "I'm in the middle of something that when we do it right, 983 00:43:15,875 --> 00:43:17,875 is really important, can really affect people." 984 00:43:17,977 --> 00:43:20,044 Now it's hard to do that on every single episode. 985 00:43:20,146 --> 00:43:22,279 I don't know who has ever succeeded in that, 986 00:43:22,381 --> 00:43:25,049 but I think that we all could feel as a cast 987 00:43:25,151 --> 00:43:28,285 when we were telling a good story and doing it well. 988 00:43:33,826 --> 00:43:35,370 There was a lot of discussion what "Enterprise" 989 00:43:35,394 --> 00:43:37,861 would look like and feel like. 990 00:43:37,963 --> 00:43:39,296 Enterprise" 991 00:43:39,398 --> 00:43:41,598 is a prequel to the entire franchise. 992 00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:43,333 Set in the 22nd century, 993 00:43:43,436 --> 00:43:46,804 as Starfleet's first explorers venture into space. 994 00:43:46,906 --> 00:43:48,839 You know, we were trying to, I think, 995 00:43:48,941 --> 00:43:50,819 deconstruct "Star Trek" and figure out, you know, 996 00:43:50,843 --> 00:43:52,042 how it all came together. 997 00:43:52,144 --> 00:43:53,811 You know, we'd certainly seen the future 998 00:43:53,913 --> 00:43:56,280 of where it was all going. 999 00:43:56,382 --> 00:43:59,283 And it was a real challenge to kind of back that up 1000 00:43:59,385 --> 00:44:02,386 and imagine, you know, what was this... 1001 00:44:02,488 --> 00:44:05,589 What was this like 150 years before Captain Kirk. 1002 00:44:05,691 --> 00:44:07,791 I called my mother and said, 1003 00:44:07,893 --> 00:44:10,060 "Ma, I'm not gonna have to stress about work. 1004 00:44:10,162 --> 00:44:11,228 I got a job." 1005 00:44:11,330 --> 00:44:14,698 I had to audition with a slight alien accent 1006 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,634 for the character of Dr. Phlox, which puzzled me. 1007 00:44:17,736 --> 00:44:19,403 I didn't really know what to do, so I... 1008 00:44:19,505 --> 00:44:21,265 I sort of tried out a variety of funny voices 1009 00:44:21,307 --> 00:44:22,973 with my wife before I settled on the voice 1010 00:44:23,075 --> 00:44:24,808 I eventually arrived at. 1011 00:44:24,910 --> 00:44:26,477 Sounds sort of vaguely East Indian. 1012 00:44:26,579 --> 00:44:30,380 I don't believe you'll be needing my services. 1013 00:44:30,483 --> 00:44:32,127 You know, I thought that we were gonna make it 1014 00:44:32,151 --> 00:44:33,650 and that we were gonna do seven years 1015 00:44:33,752 --> 00:44:35,219 like all the rest of these shows. 1016 00:44:35,321 --> 00:44:38,388 I was just trying to tell good stories 1017 00:44:38,491 --> 00:44:42,526 and do Gene's vision proud. 1018 00:44:42,628 --> 00:44:45,462 Tell the best "Star Trek" stories that I could, you know? 1019 00:44:45,564 --> 00:44:47,831 And now that I'm no longer involved with the show, 1020 00:44:47,933 --> 00:44:52,402 I'm the fan eagerly awaiting the next television show. 1021 00:44:52,505 --> 00:44:55,439 Coming up, "Trek" is on the cutting edge. 1022 00:44:55,541 --> 00:44:57,641 I had just been offered 1023 00:44:57,743 --> 00:45:00,644 a major role in a Broadway musical. 1024 00:45:00,746 --> 00:45:02,779 And later, a look at "Star Trek's" 1025 00:45:02,882 --> 00:45:04,381 most beloved villain. 1026 00:45:04,483 --> 00:45:09,424 I ended up doing six episodes of "Next Generation." 1027 00:45:10,782 --> 00:45:14,708 So in the 60', I mean, it a period of racial discord. 1028 00:45:14,810 --> 00:45:17,510 We got the Vietnam War, youth rebellions, 1029 00:45:17,613 --> 00:45:19,946 emerging feminism, and, you know, TV... 1030 00:45:20,048 --> 00:45:22,482 - Dirty hippies. - Dirty hi... exactly. 1031 00:45:22,584 --> 00:45:24,384 There's no series or television show 1032 00:45:24,486 --> 00:45:25,660 really addressing these things. 1033 00:45:25,661 --> 00:45:27,505 You know, Roddenberry's able to do is kind of explore 1034 00:45:27,528 --> 00:45:31,163 these things, but again, in a way which is... 1035 00:45:31,265 --> 00:45:33,031 Not only avoids the censors, 1036 00:45:33,133 --> 00:45:34,600 which he had a lot of problems with, 1037 00:45:34,702 --> 00:45:37,302 but also allows the audience 1038 00:45:37,404 --> 00:45:39,872 to kind of look at it from a different perspective. 1039 00:45:39,974 --> 00:45:42,307 And if they were looking at race in America 1040 00:45:42,409 --> 00:45:44,610 on a documentary, that's just not gonna have 1041 00:45:44,712 --> 00:45:46,111 the kind of impact, whereas in 1042 00:45:46,213 --> 00:45:47,624 "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield," 1043 00:45:47,648 --> 00:45:49,314 we have the black and white faces. 1044 00:45:49,416 --> 00:45:51,228 You know, and you can imagine what the American public 1045 00:45:51,252 --> 00:45:53,118 was looking at this going, "You know, 1046 00:45:53,220 --> 00:45:54,664 yeah, this is right. This is kinda strange." 1047 00:45:54,688 --> 00:45:57,167 And again, this is an episode that was done right after Mart... 1048 00:45:57,191 --> 00:45:58,168 It was produced right after 1049 00:45:58,192 --> 00:45:59,503 Martin Luther King's assassination. 1050 00:45:59,527 --> 00:46:01,407 That's the beauty of sci-fi. You can sort of 1051 00:46:01,495 --> 00:46:04,229 have these allegories without 1052 00:46:04,331 --> 00:46:06,098 people knowing they're being taught a lesson. 1053 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:07,399 - Yeah. - Big two on the nose. 1054 00:46:07,501 --> 00:46:08,612 Yeah, they just think they're watching 1055 00:46:08,636 --> 00:46:11,303 a fun space adventure with a Canadian. 1056 00:46:15,042 --> 00:46:18,443 "Star Trek" very much at a time when, you know, 1057 00:46:18,546 --> 00:46:21,280 race, in particular, in the '60s was such a big thing. 1058 00:46:21,382 --> 00:46:23,293 It broke down those barriers in terms of talking... 1059 00:46:23,317 --> 00:46:27,119 Talking about color, multi-culturalism, other people. 1060 00:46:27,221 --> 00:46:31,657 And instead of making walls, and instead of trying to 1061 00:46:31,759 --> 00:46:33,358 villainize others, 1062 00:46:33,460 --> 00:46:35,127 it was all about embracing the other. 1063 00:46:35,229 --> 00:46:39,498 Because, you know, when you look at the "Star Trek" world, 1064 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,201 you know, Gene really wanted to create a world 1065 00:46:43,304 --> 00:46:46,271 where everybody could be, you know? 1066 00:46:46,373 --> 00:46:48,707 And if we were having some kind of trouble, 1067 00:46:48,809 --> 00:46:50,008 we could talk it out. 1068 00:46:50,110 --> 00:46:53,478 We had one of the most wonderful icons 1069 00:46:53,581 --> 00:46:56,748 in Nichelle Nichols, who was not only African American, 1070 00:46:56,850 --> 00:46:58,884 she was a woman. 1071 00:46:58,986 --> 00:47:01,486 And, you know, she was there on the bridge all the time. 1072 00:47:01,589 --> 00:47:02,955 She was important. 1073 00:47:03,057 --> 00:47:04,734 Sometimes she would just say, "Channels open, sir," 1074 00:47:04,758 --> 00:47:07,192 but the thing was that she was there. 1075 00:47:07,294 --> 00:47:11,396 She speaks perfect English. 1076 00:47:11,498 --> 00:47:14,866 She's the communications officer 1077 00:47:14,969 --> 00:47:17,169 and she takes that very seriously. 1078 00:47:17,271 --> 00:47:20,606 She is not only gorgeous, 1079 00:47:20,708 --> 00:47:23,642 but she is the communications officer. 1080 00:47:23,744 --> 00:47:25,410 She's the one you have to talk to 1081 00:47:25,512 --> 00:47:27,779 if you want to talk to anybody out in space. 1082 00:47:27,881 --> 00:47:30,048 And she's fly, okay? 1083 00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:33,552 And they all want to bone her, and you know it. 1084 00:47:33,654 --> 00:47:35,854 And there were some stations in the South that said, 1085 00:47:35,956 --> 00:47:37,389 "Oh, you're having," what was then, 1086 00:47:37,491 --> 00:47:40,192 "a black woman on the bridge. 1087 00:47:40,294 --> 00:47:41,593 We're not gonna show your show." 1088 00:47:41,695 --> 00:47:43,962 And Roddenberry said, " you," you know. 1089 00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:47,399 And, you know, "Too bad. You lose." 1090 00:47:47,501 --> 00:47:50,235 A woman of color in the late '60s 1091 00:47:50,337 --> 00:47:52,838 while the civil rights riots were going on. 1092 00:47:52,940 --> 00:47:55,907 Her presence there was a big deal. 1093 00:47:56,010 --> 00:47:58,710 I had just been offered 1094 00:47:58,812 --> 00:48:01,880 a major role in a Broadway musical. 1095 00:48:01,982 --> 00:48:06,218 And I met Dr. Martin Luther King. 1096 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,589 And I was so excited to tell him. 1097 00:48:10,691 --> 00:48:12,691 And he said, "You can't do that." 1098 00:48:12,793 --> 00:48:15,661 He said, "Don't you understand what you're doing? 1099 00:48:15,763 --> 00:48:19,164 "This is television and there's nobody like you on TV. 1100 00:48:19,266 --> 00:48:23,468 You can't... you can't abdicate." 1101 00:48:23,570 --> 00:48:24,736 And I couldn't. 1102 00:48:24,838 --> 00:48:26,505 The main thing that has struck me 1103 00:48:26,607 --> 00:48:32,177 about Gene's series at the time was how he mirrored 1104 00:48:32,279 --> 00:48:34,346 the things that were going on in our society 1105 00:48:34,448 --> 00:48:37,215 by using the aliens and the humans 1106 00:48:37,317 --> 00:48:38,817 to carry out those storylines. 1107 00:48:38,919 --> 00:48:40,519 He was very clever in doing that. 1108 00:48:40,621 --> 00:48:41,720 I liked the idea. 1109 00:48:41,822 --> 00:48:44,856 I'm not sure it was always executed 1110 00:48:44,958 --> 00:48:46,591 as well as it might have. 1111 00:48:46,694 --> 00:48:48,026 I think we used the bludgeon 1112 00:48:48,128 --> 00:48:50,796 when we did the story of the half black and half white. 1113 00:48:50,898 --> 00:48:53,165 You know, but we did it you know? 1114 00:48:53,267 --> 00:48:55,934 And good for us for taking on the issue. 1115 00:48:56,036 --> 00:48:58,036 I am black on the right side. 1116 00:49:02,576 --> 00:49:05,610 I fail to see the significant difference. 1117 00:49:05,713 --> 00:49:07,245 Lokai is white on the right... 1118 00:49:07,347 --> 00:49:10,515 All of his people are white on the right side. 1119 00:49:10,617 --> 00:49:13,618 Frank Gorshin was a wonderful performer, 1120 00:49:13,721 --> 00:49:16,588 and he and Lou Antonio were the two actors 1121 00:49:16,690 --> 00:49:18,824 who played these opposing roles. 1122 00:49:18,926 --> 00:49:21,359 People who were actually mirror images of each other 1123 00:49:21,462 --> 00:49:24,463 should hate each other they way they did. 1124 00:49:24,565 --> 00:49:26,965 And there was that great moment where Kirk says, 1125 00:49:27,067 --> 00:49:29,167 "Why do you people hate each other so much? 1126 00:49:29,269 --> 00:49:31,503 You're... you're the same." 1127 00:49:31,605 --> 00:49:32,938 "Don't you get it? 1128 00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,574 He's black on the right side, I'm black on the left." 1129 00:49:35,676 --> 00:49:38,977 You know, "Oh." 1130 00:49:39,079 --> 00:49:40,779 Science fiction is at its best 1131 00:49:40,881 --> 00:49:42,481 when it challenges you. 1132 00:49:42,583 --> 00:49:45,684 It presents a message while disguising itself 1133 00:49:45,786 --> 00:49:47,152 as entertainment. 1134 00:49:47,254 --> 00:49:49,421 In an episode called "Symbiosis," 1135 00:49:49,523 --> 00:49:52,591 there's a planet where they're all addicted. 1136 00:49:52,693 --> 00:49:55,527 And there's another species 1137 00:49:55,629 --> 00:49:57,596 that always supplies them with their drug. 1138 00:49:57,698 --> 00:49:59,598 And we know that... that this is 1139 00:49:59,700 --> 00:50:02,534 this horrible enabling situation. 1140 00:50:02,636 --> 00:50:06,037 And we could easily cure the addicts. 1141 00:50:06,140 --> 00:50:10,475 - Please, help us. - I'm not sure that I can. 1142 00:50:12,813 --> 00:50:14,212 But do we get involved 1143 00:50:14,314 --> 00:50:15,714 or do we let them figure it out? 1144 00:50:15,816 --> 00:50:18,817 The moment that I felt was so haunting to me 1145 00:50:18,919 --> 00:50:21,520 was the one where B'Elanna is pregnant 1146 00:50:21,622 --> 00:50:24,623 and can see that her child will have Klingon DNA 1147 00:50:24,725 --> 00:50:27,926 and be born with the forehead and she has developed a way 1148 00:50:28,028 --> 00:50:29,861 to possibly alter that so her daughter 1149 00:50:29,963 --> 00:50:32,330 doesn't have to go through what she went through. 1150 00:50:32,432 --> 00:50:35,333 And I wept when I read the episode. 1151 00:50:35,435 --> 00:50:37,002 But then to be responsible for a child 1152 00:50:37,104 --> 00:50:40,605 and to have the technology to change the future of this child. 1153 00:50:40,707 --> 00:50:43,074 And it was, um... 1154 00:50:43,177 --> 00:50:44,943 It was a difficult and wonderful episode. 1155 00:50:45,045 --> 00:50:46,611 When you look at Data, you know, 1156 00:50:46,713 --> 00:50:49,714 at one point he is on trial, you know. 1157 00:50:49,817 --> 00:50:54,419 And it's, like, is he on trial because he's different? 1158 00:50:54,521 --> 00:50:58,490 Is he on trial because he should be not be thinking 1159 00:50:58,592 --> 00:51:00,625 the way that he's thinking because he's, after all, 1160 00:51:00,727 --> 00:51:02,694 a machine and should not be moving... 1161 00:51:02,796 --> 00:51:06,565 I mean, they're all the questions that we deal with. 1162 00:51:06,667 --> 00:51:09,868 And whether it's race because it's skin color, 1163 00:51:09,970 --> 00:51:12,704 or race because you're an android, 1164 00:51:12,806 --> 00:51:15,841 or, you know, race because you're only this big and fuzzy. 1165 00:51:15,943 --> 00:51:17,309 You're a Tribble, you know? 1166 00:51:17,411 --> 00:51:20,512 It's all of these stories go into saying, 1167 00:51:20,614 --> 00:51:24,015 "Hey, we actually all have to try to do this together." 1168 00:51:25,953 --> 00:51:27,752 The cultural makeup of the bridge, 1169 00:51:27,855 --> 00:51:29,554 that was science fiction... - Absolutely. 1170 00:51:29,656 --> 00:51:31,289 In the mid '60s. 1171 00:51:31,391 --> 00:51:33,592 People who watch it today have no idea 1172 00:51:33,694 --> 00:51:36,127 how startling that was. 1173 00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:38,496 You had this multi-cultural crew, 1174 00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:39,698 not just multi-cultural, 1175 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,868 but it was male and female as well. 1176 00:51:42,970 --> 00:51:45,804 I mean, I know that when Roddenberry did the first pilot 1177 00:51:45,906 --> 00:51:47,606 and Majel Barrett was Number One, 1178 00:51:47,708 --> 00:51:49,541 the studio was like... - Yeah. 1179 00:51:49,643 --> 00:51:51,763 Who's gonna believe a woman in charge of a starship? 1180 00:51:51,845 --> 00:51:52,878 Coming up, 1181 00:51:52,980 --> 00:51:54,779 "Star Trek" invents the cell phone. 1182 00:51:54,882 --> 00:51:56,748 The tech that predicts our future. 1183 00:51:59,099 --> 00:52:00,877 The thing that's really amazing about "Star Trek" 1184 00:52:00,901 --> 00:52:02,478 is that it definitely has inspired people 1185 00:52:02,502 --> 00:52:04,803 to sort of, you know, proceed down that path, right? 1186 00:52:04,905 --> 00:52:06,438 - Yeah. - A lot of technologists, 1187 00:52:06,540 --> 00:52:09,040 of course talk about the StarTAC Motorola phone, right? 1188 00:52:09,142 --> 00:52:10,787 The flip phone coming from the communicator. 1189 00:52:10,811 --> 00:52:13,712 But it gives people a vision to sort of think about, 1190 00:52:13,814 --> 00:52:15,246 "Well, why isn't that possible? 1191 00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:16,693 Well, the PADD is an obvious thing, 1192 00:52:16,717 --> 00:52:18,861 which the iPad, I think, was designed after specifically. 1193 00:52:18,885 --> 00:52:20,352 - Didn't they say... - Yes. 1194 00:52:20,454 --> 00:52:21,598 - He took the design from iPad... - Yes. 1195 00:52:21,622 --> 00:52:24,222 Well, they wanted to call it a PADD, 1196 00:52:24,291 --> 00:52:25,757 Personal Access Display Device, 1197 00:52:25,826 --> 00:52:27,003 which is what we called it on the show, 1198 00:52:27,027 --> 00:52:28,693 but Paramount wouldn't allow it. 1199 00:52:28,795 --> 00:52:30,462 And what's really neat, I mean, 1200 00:52:30,564 --> 00:52:32,175 the computer interaction is things like we get 1201 00:52:32,199 --> 00:52:34,566 - with Siri and Alexa. - Well, yes, exactly. 1202 00:52:34,635 --> 00:52:36,368 I mean, you literally talk to a computer, 1203 00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:38,169 and it, you know, responds to your queries. 1204 00:52:38,271 --> 00:52:39,938 Wow, you don't even think about that. 1205 00:52:40,007 --> 00:52:40,984 - Yeah. - I mean, I think this is 1206 00:52:41,008 --> 00:52:43,808 a really... kind of a neat dynamic 1207 00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:46,444 of science sort of influencing science fiction 1208 00:52:46,546 --> 00:52:50,081 and in return, getting some sort of inspiration back. 1209 00:52:50,183 --> 00:52:51,995 The only thing they got really, really wrong for me 1210 00:52:52,019 --> 00:52:53,551 is the fact that they plugged Data in. 1211 00:52:53,654 --> 00:52:55,020 I feel like he'd have Bluetooth. 1212 00:52:57,557 --> 00:52:59,002 They got to put him in his charger every night. 1213 00:53:00,027 --> 00:53:01,371 When I see someone in a restaurant 1214 00:53:01,395 --> 00:53:03,962 and they have the Bluetooth in their ear 1215 00:53:04,031 --> 00:53:05,930 while dining with someone else, 1216 00:53:06,033 --> 00:53:09,000 I usually shout out, "Let it go, Uhura." 1217 00:53:11,038 --> 00:53:11,970 And you know what? 1218 00:53:12,039 --> 00:53:13,282 They know what I'm talking about. 1219 00:53:13,306 --> 00:53:15,140 - Oh, there you go. - And they feel horrible. 1220 00:53:19,946 --> 00:53:22,714 Gene was clearly a visionary. 1221 00:53:22,816 --> 00:53:24,349 He went and studied, though, 1222 00:53:24,451 --> 00:53:26,551 the technologies that would be involved 1223 00:53:26,653 --> 00:53:29,320 in order to make his show credible. 1224 00:53:29,423 --> 00:53:31,856 Believability was a huge thing for my father. 1225 00:53:31,958 --> 00:53:35,493 If you go back and read some of the original writers' guides 1226 00:53:35,595 --> 00:53:37,295 and bibles for the original series, 1227 00:53:37,397 --> 00:53:40,932 He says in there, you know, "Believability is essential." 1228 00:53:41,034 --> 00:53:42,701 He brought Harvey Lynn, his cousin 1229 00:53:42,769 --> 00:53:45,303 who worked with the RAND company, to advise. 1230 00:53:45,405 --> 00:53:47,672 And that's where a lot of the technology came from. 1231 00:53:47,774 --> 00:53:50,108 I think because I loved the space program, 1232 00:53:50,210 --> 00:53:52,911 "Star Trek" to me at that point felt real. 1233 00:53:53,013 --> 00:53:54,813 It felt like they all took it kinda seriously. 1234 00:53:54,848 --> 00:53:56,448 There was a real ship like that. 1235 00:53:56,516 --> 00:53:58,828 I do remember when I was a kid I thought that was a real ship. 1236 00:53:58,852 --> 00:54:00,452 I thought, you know, "There's a big ship 1237 00:54:00,487 --> 00:54:02,407 that flies around in space. I see it every week." 1238 00:54:02,489 --> 00:54:04,989 The technology absolutely captured my imagination. 1239 00:54:05,058 --> 00:54:08,927 I mean, especially the idea of being able to 1240 00:54:09,029 --> 00:54:11,029 live in this giant spaceship. 1241 00:54:11,131 --> 00:54:13,798 He wanted to do adult stories, adult science fiction, 1242 00:54:13,867 --> 00:54:17,068 so he knew that in order to make that kind of a show work, 1243 00:54:17,170 --> 00:54:20,171 he had a very credible design for his starship. 1244 00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:22,207 But there's a reason the Enterprise hangs 1245 00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:25,009 in the Smithsonian Institute. 1246 00:54:25,078 --> 00:54:27,445 It is such... not just an iconic ship, 1247 00:54:27,514 --> 00:54:28,980 but such a beautiful ship. 1248 00:54:29,082 --> 00:54:31,249 It's a magnificent aesthetic achievement. 1249 00:54:31,351 --> 00:54:34,252 Roddenberry said, "We want our audience to believe 1250 00:54:34,354 --> 00:54:36,654 that for the hour they're watching 'Star Trek, ' 1251 00:54:36,723 --> 00:54:40,091 they're really on a spaceship out exploring the galaxy. 1252 00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:41,860 So we have to design the bridge. 1253 00:54:41,962 --> 00:54:44,062 We have to think about navigation. 1254 00:54:44,131 --> 00:54:46,164 We have to think about what powers the ship." 1255 00:54:46,266 --> 00:54:47,506 And then he thought, "You know, 1256 00:54:47,601 --> 00:54:50,168 why don't we set up a system 1257 00:54:50,270 --> 00:54:51,703 in the sick bay called the biobed? 1258 00:54:51,805 --> 00:54:53,972 A crewman comes in, lays down on the biobed, 1259 00:54:54,074 --> 00:54:55,807 and on a computer screen above the bed, 1260 00:54:55,909 --> 00:54:58,777 it instantly displays all of their vital signs." 1261 00:54:58,879 --> 00:55:00,359 The creators of "Star Trek" 1262 00:55:00,447 --> 00:55:02,647 designed and engineered gadgets for the crew 1263 00:55:02,716 --> 00:55:04,516 that are decades ahead of their time. 1264 00:55:04,618 --> 00:55:07,852 And inspire the devices that are second nature to us today. 1265 00:55:07,954 --> 00:55:11,122 But also the smaller things like the tricorder 1266 00:55:11,191 --> 00:55:13,892 or the communicator, which, I mean, 1267 00:55:13,994 --> 00:55:16,194 you know I have one in my pocket right now 1268 00:55:16,263 --> 00:55:17,962 that's not dissimilar. 1269 00:55:18,064 --> 00:55:20,031 Leonard Nimoy, years ago, 1270 00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:24,402 he told me the flip phone was purposely designed 1271 00:55:24,471 --> 00:55:26,204 to look like a communicator. 1272 00:55:26,273 --> 00:55:28,206 That the inventor of the flip phone 1273 00:55:28,275 --> 00:55:31,409 wanted it to be a pastiche of "Star Trek." 1274 00:55:31,511 --> 00:55:34,445 A guy named Martin Cooper in the 1970s 1275 00:55:34,548 --> 00:55:38,249 was tasked by Motorola and Bell Labs 1276 00:55:38,351 --> 00:55:41,419 to create a, you know, one of the first cell phones. 1277 00:55:41,521 --> 00:55:43,822 A portable telephone that, you know, 1278 00:55:43,924 --> 00:55:45,623 you could carry and walk around with, 1279 00:55:45,725 --> 00:55:47,759 and it would ultimately be small enough 1280 00:55:47,828 --> 00:55:49,194 to fit in a pocket. 1281 00:55:49,296 --> 00:55:53,498 And Cooper explicitly said, "When I was designing 1282 00:55:53,567 --> 00:55:57,001 that first handheld phone, I thought, 1283 00:55:57,103 --> 00:55:58,514 You know, this thing is kinda big. 1284 00:55:58,538 --> 00:56:01,506 It's a little bulky, but if I fold it in half, 1285 00:56:01,575 --> 00:56:04,209 that'll save... that'll save space. 1286 00:56:04,311 --> 00:56:06,031 It'll make it smaller and easier to carry. 1287 00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:07,679 Plus, it'll be really cool to flip open 1288 00:56:07,747 --> 00:56:09,614 Like the communicators on "Star Trek."'" 1289 00:56:09,716 --> 00:56:12,951 You have these PADDs that are now iPads and everything. 1290 00:56:13,019 --> 00:56:16,888 Well, we didn't have iPads then, so it was... it was like 1291 00:56:16,990 --> 00:56:19,057 we were doing it, we'd be making things up. 1292 00:56:19,125 --> 00:56:20,736 But if you set it down too hard, you gotta do... 1293 00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:21,826 It would make a clunk. 1294 00:56:21,928 --> 00:56:22,905 You'd have to take the whole shot over. 1295 00:56:22,929 --> 00:56:25,563 The PADDs that they used, 1296 00:56:25,665 --> 00:56:27,966 which had nothing on them, 1297 00:56:28,034 --> 00:56:32,370 we'd use them in the stories to somehow advance the plot, 1298 00:56:32,472 --> 00:56:34,939 or they're looking at a report. 1299 00:56:35,041 --> 00:56:38,443 Never in a million years did any of us think 1300 00:56:38,545 --> 00:56:40,678 this would be a thing. 1301 00:56:40,747 --> 00:56:42,647 It was total science fiction to us. 1302 00:56:42,749 --> 00:56:45,049 It was 20 years after 1303 00:56:45,151 --> 00:56:47,151 The Next Generation" premiered 1304 00:56:47,220 --> 00:56:49,787 that Apple introduced the iPad. 1305 00:56:49,856 --> 00:56:55,059 And that's, you know, that's a dead ringer, really, 1306 00:56:55,128 --> 00:56:56,772 for the PADDs that we had on "Star Trek: The Next Generation" 1307 00:56:56,796 --> 00:56:58,463 20 years earlier. 1308 00:56:58,565 --> 00:57:00,665 People forget this. They look at it now, they say, 1309 00:57:00,767 --> 00:57:02,647 "Oh, 'Star Trek's' so dated. It's so primitive." 1310 00:57:02,702 --> 00:57:03,768 They have no idea. 1311 00:57:03,870 --> 00:57:05,870 Supermarkets didn't have sliding doors yet. 1312 00:57:05,972 --> 00:57:07,906 That's how prescient "Star Trek" was. 1313 00:57:07,974 --> 00:57:10,441 It was Roddenberry's idea for the holodeck, 1314 00:57:10,510 --> 00:57:13,077 which I always thought was revolutionary, you know? 1315 00:57:13,146 --> 00:57:14,812 Virtual reality was being explored 1316 00:57:14,881 --> 00:57:17,248 in science fiction novels, 1317 00:57:17,350 --> 00:57:20,051 but he was really the first to kind of put 1318 00:57:20,153 --> 00:57:23,488 true, thorough virtual reality, 1319 00:57:23,590 --> 00:57:25,056 certainly onto a television show. 1320 00:57:25,158 --> 00:57:27,458 The holodeck, which was a wonderful invention 1321 00:57:27,527 --> 00:57:31,429 taken to imaginative creative extremes in "Next Generation," 1322 00:57:31,531 --> 00:57:33,491 has its origins in the "Star Trek" animated series 1323 00:57:33,533 --> 00:57:34,653 that most people don't know. 1324 00:57:34,701 --> 00:57:36,501 The holodeck was in an episode 1325 00:57:36,603 --> 00:57:38,403 of the "Star Trek" cartoon, "Practical Joker." 1326 00:57:38,438 --> 00:57:39,782 That was the first time we saw that. 1327 00:57:39,806 --> 00:57:41,951 If you look at "Star Trek," the original "Star Trek," 1328 00:57:41,975 --> 00:57:45,276 you will see Spock holding little cards 1329 00:57:45,345 --> 00:57:47,812 and data cards that he would slip 1330 00:57:47,914 --> 00:57:49,614 into a slot on the computer. 1331 00:57:49,716 --> 00:57:52,317 They look exactly like the 3 1/2" floppy disks 1332 00:57:52,419 --> 00:57:54,352 that were created 20 years later. 1333 00:57:54,454 --> 00:57:56,454 It's remarkable to think, you know, 1334 00:57:56,523 --> 00:57:57,789 Siri's getting pretty close 1335 00:57:57,891 --> 00:57:59,424 to the computer on the Enterprise. 1336 00:57:59,509 --> 00:58:02,827 "Star Trek," I think, on the technology side, 1337 00:58:02,896 --> 00:58:05,713 partly it's the extraordinary vision of Gene and the people 1338 00:58:05,815 --> 00:58:08,249 that he worked with in creating that original show 1339 00:58:08,351 --> 00:58:12,153 and thinking about how things can be better in the future, 1340 00:58:12,255 --> 00:58:14,389 and then people growing up watching "Star Trek" 1341 00:58:14,491 --> 00:58:16,024 making those things happen 1342 00:58:16,126 --> 00:58:17,992 because they were inspired by "Star Trek." 1343 00:58:18,094 --> 00:58:21,129 So it's a really fascinating kind of feedback loop 1344 00:58:21,231 --> 00:58:23,831 between art and science. 1345 00:58:23,900 --> 00:58:26,301 I can't think of another show that had nearly the impact 1346 00:58:26,403 --> 00:58:30,271 for people who really, you know, work in the aerospace industry 1347 00:58:30,373 --> 00:58:31,839 that "Star Trek" did, right. 1348 00:58:31,908 --> 00:58:34,053 Or even for a lot of cases, physics and things like that. 1349 00:58:34,077 --> 00:58:37,512 Because it did take a realistic approach to science 1350 00:58:37,614 --> 00:58:39,747 and using science to solve problems. 1351 00:58:39,816 --> 00:58:42,784 But you try to solve them with a rational approach. 1352 00:58:42,886 --> 00:58:45,820 Coming up, the Enterprise lifts off. 1353 00:58:47,504 --> 00:58:49,450 "Star Trek" begins as a prime-time 1354 00:58:49,474 --> 00:58:50,807 television series, 1355 00:58:50,909 --> 00:58:52,442 but over the next half century, 1356 00:58:52,544 --> 00:58:54,878 it reaches far beyond the airwaves 1357 00:58:54,980 --> 00:58:57,180 to help shape our world. 1358 00:58:57,282 --> 00:58:59,782 "Star Trek" inspired people. 1359 00:58:59,851 --> 00:59:03,520 "Star Trek," like, people became scientists. 1360 00:59:03,622 --> 00:59:05,088 They became physicists. 1361 00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:07,757 They became doctors and astronauts 1362 00:59:07,859 --> 00:59:09,692 because of "Star Trek." 1363 00:59:09,761 --> 00:59:12,495 When you see someone who says, "You were such a role model. 1364 00:59:12,564 --> 00:59:14,404 You know, I went to med school because of you." 1365 00:59:14,466 --> 00:59:16,282 Or, "I got into nursing because of you." 1366 00:59:16,384 --> 00:59:18,918 It made it richer for me. It made it a richer experience. 1367 00:59:19,020 --> 00:59:20,915 One of the reasons I wanted to become an engineer 1368 00:59:20,939 --> 00:59:22,705 was because of "Star Trek." 1369 00:59:22,807 --> 00:59:26,509 Because there was something different about it 1370 00:59:26,578 --> 00:59:31,064 in that the world felt more thought through and real 1371 00:59:31,166 --> 00:59:33,633 than other things that you had seen. 1372 00:59:33,735 --> 00:59:37,103 I mean, there's a picture of NASA and Mission Control 1373 00:59:37,205 --> 00:59:39,272 and people were wearing Spock ears. 1374 00:59:39,374 --> 00:59:43,276 People who went to college to study physics 1375 00:59:43,378 --> 00:59:45,945 or engineering or medicine because they grew up 1376 00:59:46,014 --> 00:59:47,680 and were inspired by "Star Trek." 1377 00:59:47,749 --> 00:59:50,483 And wanted to be the next Scotty or the next Dr. McCoy. 1378 00:59:50,585 --> 00:59:52,018 Jimmy Doohan, who played Scotty, 1379 00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,420 and DeForest Kelley, who played McCoy, 1380 00:59:54,489 --> 00:59:58,491 were always relating stories 1381 00:59:58,593 --> 01:00:00,059 of people who had written to them 1382 01:00:00,128 --> 01:00:02,128 and would become engineers and doctors 1383 01:00:02,230 --> 01:00:04,063 because of "Star Trek." 1384 01:00:04,132 --> 01:00:06,299 I think that was great. 1385 01:00:06,401 --> 01:00:09,602 But how does that apply to me? And it didn't. 1386 01:00:09,671 --> 01:00:11,638 And for the longest time, it didn't. 1387 01:00:11,740 --> 01:00:15,141 Until I met a young lady, who after "Star Trek" 1388 01:00:15,210 --> 01:00:18,578 had gone to school to learn Russian 1389 01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,748 and went to work for the State Department. 1390 01:00:21,850 --> 01:00:26,419 Her mission was so important 1391 01:00:26,488 --> 01:00:28,388 that she couldn't tell me what it was about. 1392 01:00:28,490 --> 01:00:30,490 But it had to do with the Russians, 1393 01:00:30,592 --> 01:00:33,726 so I actually helped inspire a spy. 1394 01:00:34,963 --> 01:00:37,130 I was so fascinated by "Star Trek" 1395 01:00:37,232 --> 01:00:40,600 that maybe the first filmmaking book I can remember reading was 1396 01:00:40,702 --> 01:00:43,102 "The Making of Star Trek" by Stephen Whitfield. 1397 01:00:43,204 --> 01:00:44,971 And I remember being so fascinated 1398 01:00:45,073 --> 01:00:48,374 by looking at the behind-the-scenes pictures, 1399 01:00:48,476 --> 01:00:51,210 the layout of how the sets were put together 1400 01:00:51,313 --> 01:00:53,846 at Desilu and Paramount Studios. 1401 01:00:53,949 --> 01:00:56,082 The idea of using a colored light 1402 01:00:56,151 --> 01:00:58,051 to create different planets. 1403 01:00:58,153 --> 01:01:01,454 Just all the imagination that went into it, 1404 01:01:01,523 --> 01:01:03,289 it just really excited me, 1405 01:01:03,391 --> 01:01:06,859 and it really became a doorway into the idea of filmmaking 1406 01:01:06,962 --> 01:01:10,296 and into television, which obviously, you know, 1407 01:01:10,398 --> 01:01:11,664 I've spent my whole life on. 1408 01:01:11,766 --> 01:01:14,334 Probably one of the most influential books in my life 1409 01:01:14,436 --> 01:01:16,235 was discovering "The Making of Star Trek" 1410 01:01:16,338 --> 01:01:18,805 by Stephen Whitfield, which I found at a school book fair 1411 01:01:18,907 --> 01:01:20,373 in the sixth grade. 1412 01:01:20,442 --> 01:01:23,843 And I read that thing cover to cover over and over again 1413 01:01:23,945 --> 01:01:26,646 'cause that really was about the making of a television series, 1414 01:01:26,715 --> 01:01:30,049 about selling a pilot, you know, show bibles 1415 01:01:30,151 --> 01:01:32,518 and production questions and issues 1416 01:01:32,620 --> 01:01:33,698 and fighting with networks. 1417 01:01:33,722 --> 01:01:36,222 And I was completely enthralled with it. 1418 01:01:36,324 --> 01:01:40,193 And it sort of... it imprinted itself in me in a profound way. 1419 01:01:40,261 --> 01:01:42,261 You know, I didn't really think about 1420 01:01:42,364 --> 01:01:44,564 becoming a television writer at that age, 1421 01:01:44,632 --> 01:01:45,843 and wouldn't for many, many years. 1422 01:01:45,867 --> 01:01:47,567 'Cause that wasn't a real job. 1423 01:01:47,635 --> 01:01:50,403 But reading that book gave me a hunger to do that. 1424 01:01:50,505 --> 01:01:53,139 I wanted, on some basic level, to do that, too, 1425 01:01:53,241 --> 01:01:55,641 to make a television series and to do those things 1426 01:01:55,744 --> 01:01:57,010 like Gene had done. 1427 01:01:57,078 --> 01:02:00,580 We were invited to the rollout of the Enterprise shuttle. 1428 01:02:00,648 --> 01:02:04,083 I didn't have an understanding of how significant it was 1429 01:02:04,185 --> 01:02:05,952 until we got there. 1430 01:02:06,054 --> 01:02:07,854 And there were several hundred people there. 1431 01:02:07,922 --> 01:02:10,189 And they had the Air Force Band. 1432 01:02:10,291 --> 01:02:15,061 The conductor raised the baton and waved his hand 1433 01:02:15,163 --> 01:02:18,131 and the band started playing up. 1434 01:02:18,199 --> 01:02:21,467 The Enterprise rolled out from behind the building, 1435 01:02:21,569 --> 01:02:23,870 and it was amazing to see. 1436 01:02:23,972 --> 01:02:26,472 As it came out, the band started playing 1437 01:02:26,574 --> 01:02:28,641 the theme music from "Star Trek." 1438 01:02:28,743 --> 01:02:34,847 And we jumped up as one, and were cheering and screaming. 1439 01:02:34,916 --> 01:02:37,717 It was just the most remarkable moment. 1440 01:02:37,819 --> 01:02:40,486 And, you know, across the nose of the shuttle 1441 01:02:40,555 --> 01:02:42,822 was the word "Enterprise." 1442 01:02:42,924 --> 01:02:46,893 For the first time, I realized that there was a significance 1443 01:02:46,995 --> 01:02:50,963 beyond the fact that we were a television show 1444 01:02:51,032 --> 01:02:52,598 that went on once a week. 1445 01:02:52,667 --> 01:02:56,369 That we really had an influence in the culture. 1446 01:02:56,471 --> 01:02:57,804 And I guess it was the first time 1447 01:02:57,906 --> 01:03:01,207 that I really felt that I could take a bow. 1448 01:03:01,309 --> 01:03:05,111 Up until then, my sense was, "I'm a supporting character 1449 01:03:05,213 --> 01:03:07,346 "with very little to do. 1450 01:03:07,449 --> 01:03:11,284 I'm riding the coattails of this television project, 1451 01:03:11,386 --> 01:03:13,553 and I haven't really contributed very much. 1452 01:03:13,655 --> 01:03:16,856 Well, that was all true, but I realized then 1453 01:03:16,958 --> 01:03:20,793 that I was part of a group that, as a group, 1454 01:03:20,862 --> 01:03:22,261 we had an influence. 1455 01:03:22,330 --> 01:03:25,431 That we had an influence in society 1456 01:03:25,500 --> 01:03:27,278 Because of "Star Trek," I am all the things I just said. 1457 01:03:27,302 --> 01:03:30,470 Engineer, physicist, doctor, psychiatrist. 1458 01:03:30,572 --> 01:03:33,039 I've joined the military. I became a policeman. 1459 01:03:33,141 --> 01:03:36,909 But the most potent, I think, 1460 01:03:37,011 --> 01:03:38,778 are the stories where someone comes up 1461 01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:42,482 and looks you in the eye and says, 1462 01:03:42,584 --> 01:03:46,052 "Star Trek was the only time in my house 1463 01:03:46,154 --> 01:03:48,121 where there was peace. 1464 01:03:48,223 --> 01:03:51,324 Where my dad or my mother or the abuse or the alcohol," 1465 01:03:51,426 --> 01:03:53,993 or whatever it was, "the only time where we sat together 1466 01:03:54,062 --> 01:03:58,431 and it was peaceful and trouble-free." 1467 01:03:58,533 --> 01:04:00,700 And... and it's heartbreaking. 1468 01:04:00,802 --> 01:04:01,901 And it's true. 1469 01:04:01,970 --> 01:04:03,650 You can see it in their eyes how true it is 1470 01:04:03,705 --> 01:04:04,904 and how important it is. 1471 01:04:04,973 --> 01:04:10,143 There are people who have gone to nine foster homes, 1472 01:04:10,245 --> 01:04:15,081 and the only steady thing in all of those foster homes 1473 01:04:15,150 --> 01:04:17,250 was that the family watched "Star Trek." 1474 01:04:17,352 --> 01:04:20,286 "Star Trek" over the years has inspired people. 1475 01:04:20,355 --> 01:04:25,658 And whether it's inspired them to follow their dreams 1476 01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:27,660 or believe in themselves, 1477 01:04:27,762 --> 01:04:30,696 I mean, that's the... one of the key messages 1478 01:04:30,798 --> 01:04:34,967 in "Star Trek" is, "You're a great person. 1479 01:04:35,069 --> 01:04:37,270 You have valid thoughts, valid ideas. 1480 01:04:37,372 --> 01:04:40,540 Never think of yourself as less than anyone else. 1481 01:04:40,642 --> 01:04:45,178 Now go out there and follow your dreams." 1482 01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:46,812 We were talking earlier, Doug, 1483 01:04:46,915 --> 01:04:50,516 before we started shooting here and I just found out, 1484 01:04:50,618 --> 01:04:53,953 somehow, just found out about a book right here. 1485 01:04:54,055 --> 01:04:55,575 How could you have missed this book? 1486 01:04:55,623 --> 01:05:00,393 Here it is, "The Making of Star Trek." 1487 01:05:00,461 --> 01:05:01,928 That's the book. 1488 01:05:01,996 --> 01:05:03,696 - The book. - The book. 1489 01:05:03,798 --> 01:05:06,065 That book changed my life completely. 1490 01:05:06,167 --> 01:05:07,311 That book came out, I guess, like, 1491 01:05:07,335 --> 01:05:08,612 the second season of "Star Trek." 1492 01:05:08,636 --> 01:05:10,503 - Uh-huh. - I was crazy about the show. 1493 01:05:10,605 --> 01:05:13,105 That book was, I mean for me, 1494 01:05:13,208 --> 01:05:15,474 it was like Popeye downing a can of spinach. 1495 01:05:15,543 --> 01:05:16,587 - Can I see it? - I mean, look at this. 1496 01:05:16,611 --> 01:05:17,888 This is the diagram of the bridge. 1497 01:05:17,912 --> 01:05:21,180 Honestly, I mean, it totally gave me a direction. 1498 01:05:21,282 --> 01:05:23,749 I knew what I wanted to do after I read that book. 1499 01:05:23,818 --> 01:05:26,953 And I could say that "Star Trek" and that book 1500 01:05:27,021 --> 01:05:29,266 made me who I am today, and that kinda sounds a little sad. 1501 01:05:29,290 --> 01:05:31,724 But, you know, it led me to a couple of Emmys. 1502 01:05:31,826 --> 01:05:33,793 Led me to an Academy Award, you know. 1503 01:05:33,895 --> 01:05:36,028 And that's all because of "Star Trek." 1504 01:05:36,097 --> 01:05:38,798 Coming up, the battle of the episodes. 1505 01:05:38,900 --> 01:05:40,499 The cast reveal their favorites. 1506 01:05:40,568 --> 01:05:43,464 This episode is brilliant. 1507 01:05:44,865 --> 01:05:46,941 My favorite episodes were always the ones... 1508 01:05:46,965 --> 01:05:48,276 Personally, 'cause, you know, I was doing 'em. 1509 01:05:48,300 --> 01:05:50,167 - Mm-hmm. - Were the ones where Seven 1510 01:05:50,269 --> 01:05:51,629 was really exploring her humanity. 1511 01:05:51,670 --> 01:05:53,770 So I think it was "Someone To Watch Over Me" 1512 01:05:53,872 --> 01:05:55,350 where the doctor's teaching Seven how to date. 1513 01:05:55,374 --> 01:05:57,474 - Oh, that's a great one. - And I just... 1514 01:05:57,576 --> 01:06:00,010 I thought that was so lovely and so touching, 1515 01:06:00,112 --> 01:06:01,611 and it just broke my heart at the end 1516 01:06:01,713 --> 01:06:03,124 when he's kinda falling in love with Seven 1517 01:06:03,148 --> 01:06:04,893 and she's like, "Yeah, there's nobody here for me." 1518 01:06:04,917 --> 01:06:06,349 I hated that moment. 1519 01:06:06,451 --> 01:06:08,851 That's where you break the exoskeleton if I'm not mistaken. 1520 01:06:08,887 --> 01:06:10,420 - Yes! - The lobster. 1521 01:06:10,522 --> 01:06:11,833 The creature has an exoskeleton, yes. 1522 01:06:12,991 --> 01:06:14,991 So that was one of my favorites, definitely. 1523 01:06:19,998 --> 01:06:23,667 Well, a truly great "Star Trek" episode, 1524 01:06:23,769 --> 01:06:28,071 in my opinion, has a list of ingredients. 1525 01:06:28,173 --> 01:06:30,106 It's an equation. 1526 01:06:30,209 --> 01:06:33,109 And that equation includes: 1527 01:06:33,212 --> 01:06:36,046 a great high concept 1528 01:06:36,148 --> 01:06:39,316 that provides cool character dynamics 1529 01:06:39,418 --> 01:06:42,519 and conflict, but also is a parable. 1530 01:06:42,621 --> 01:06:43,954 It has some deeper theme. 1531 01:06:44,056 --> 01:06:45,455 "Devil in the Dark" 1532 01:06:45,557 --> 01:06:46,890 I thought was a wonderful episode 1533 01:06:46,992 --> 01:06:50,694 about... about fear of the unknown. 1534 01:06:50,796 --> 01:06:52,229 How we fear... and even hate 1535 01:06:52,331 --> 01:06:54,664 something that we don't know anything about. 1536 01:06:54,766 --> 01:06:56,499 Learn who your enemy is and maybe then... 1537 01:06:56,602 --> 01:06:59,603 Maybe then it's no longer your enemy. 1538 01:07:00,772 --> 01:07:02,405 Interesting episode. 1539 01:07:02,507 --> 01:07:04,741 You know, I remember the "Devil in the Dark" episode 1540 01:07:04,843 --> 01:07:06,576 with the Horta. That really left 1541 01:07:06,678 --> 01:07:07,956 a big impression on me as a kid, 1542 01:07:07,980 --> 01:07:09,813 that he didn't kill the monster 1543 01:07:09,915 --> 01:07:11,226 and that the monster was a mother 1544 01:07:11,250 --> 01:07:12,582 and had all these eggs. 1545 01:07:12,684 --> 01:07:13,917 They're eggs, aren't they? 1546 01:07:14,019 --> 01:07:15,785 Yes, Captain. Eggs. 1547 01:07:15,887 --> 01:07:17,454 And about to hatch. 1548 01:07:17,556 --> 01:07:19,055 "A City on the Edge of Forever" 1549 01:07:19,157 --> 01:07:21,191 which is, of course, the episode of "Star Trek" 1550 01:07:21,293 --> 01:07:23,693 that is the one that everybody knows is a great one. 1551 01:07:23,795 --> 01:07:26,162 It's a little bit... it's an eccentric episode. 1552 01:07:26,265 --> 01:07:29,933 I love also the two-parter. 1553 01:07:30,035 --> 01:07:32,769 The repurposing of the original pilot 1554 01:07:32,871 --> 01:07:34,104 into "The Ca..." 1555 01:07:34,206 --> 01:07:36,072 What is it, "The Cage: Part one and two"? 1556 01:07:36,174 --> 01:07:40,210 And that's brilliant... we refer to these shows all the time 1557 01:07:40,312 --> 01:07:41,823 on "Breaking Bad" in the writer's room. 1558 01:07:41,847 --> 01:07:43,747 We prefer to, you know, Tranya. 1559 01:07:43,849 --> 01:07:46,983 We refer to Captain Pike with his... with the light. 1560 01:07:47,085 --> 01:07:49,552 I mean, which, you know, couldn't even think of 1561 01:07:49,655 --> 01:07:51,955 as being a little bit like a Hector Salamanca 1562 01:07:52,057 --> 01:07:54,124 when he's in the wheelchair and he's got the bell. 1563 01:07:54,226 --> 01:07:55,992 I really loved "Yesterday's Enterprise." 1564 01:07:56,094 --> 01:07:57,560 It was a spec script that I had 1565 01:07:57,663 --> 01:08:00,096 that had gone through a couple of drafts already. 1566 01:08:00,198 --> 01:08:01,998 Then I took a pass at it 1567 01:08:02,100 --> 01:08:04,868 and reconceiving the story and kinda making it 1568 01:08:04,970 --> 01:08:06,870 a much more darker universe on the other side 1569 01:08:06,972 --> 01:08:09,272 and emphasizing the war aspect of it. 1570 01:08:09,374 --> 01:08:10,840 And the tragedy of it. 1571 01:08:10,942 --> 01:08:14,311 My favorite is my favorite because it's just brilliant. 1572 01:08:14,413 --> 01:08:17,147 Brilliant writing. Brilliant directing. 1573 01:08:17,249 --> 01:08:18,715 Brilliant acting. 1574 01:08:18,817 --> 01:08:21,151 And it's called "Far Beyond the Stars." 1575 01:08:21,253 --> 01:08:24,087 It's where all the series regulars 1576 01:08:24,189 --> 01:08:26,089 appear as humans, 1577 01:08:26,191 --> 01:08:29,893 and the episode has to deal with racism. 1578 01:08:29,995 --> 01:08:31,895 It's not just good "Star Trek." 1579 01:08:31,997 --> 01:08:34,164 It's not just good science fiction. 1580 01:08:34,266 --> 01:08:35,598 It's great literature. 1581 01:08:42,908 --> 01:08:45,241 Well, you know, I think I'm the last 1582 01:08:45,344 --> 01:08:47,077 character Gene created. 1583 01:08:47,179 --> 01:08:50,814 I think I'm the last one that he actually created 1584 01:08:50,916 --> 01:08:53,083 based on Texas Guinan. 1585 01:08:53,185 --> 01:08:55,985 Guinan her name was. After Texas Guinan 1586 01:08:56,088 --> 01:08:57,887 who was a famous card player and gambler, 1587 01:08:57,989 --> 01:09:00,623 or whatever she was. 1588 01:09:00,726 --> 01:09:04,728 And Whoopi showed up in the show and brought in 1589 01:09:04,830 --> 01:09:08,598 this... this aura. 1590 01:09:08,700 --> 01:09:11,501 And the wild... remember the shovelhead hats 1591 01:09:11,603 --> 01:09:14,037 she used to wear? That beautiful face 1592 01:09:14,139 --> 01:09:16,272 with those big eyes and that gorgeous skin 1593 01:09:16,375 --> 01:09:19,342 and the voice. And she played it so straight. 1594 01:09:19,444 --> 01:09:21,556 Guinan was great, again, 'cause Whoopi's playing it. 1595 01:09:21,580 --> 01:09:23,513 Guinan was a strange, mysterioso character 1596 01:09:23,615 --> 01:09:24,892 that no... none of us really understood 1597 01:09:24,916 --> 01:09:26,149 what the hell she was. 1598 01:09:26,251 --> 01:09:29,018 When we started really getting into "Next Gen" 1599 01:09:29,121 --> 01:09:31,054 in the later years, what we said was, 1600 01:09:31,156 --> 01:09:33,123 "It's really about her relationship with Picard. 1601 01:09:33,225 --> 01:09:35,091 Yes, she's the bartender and, yes, she listens 1602 01:09:35,193 --> 01:09:37,794 to all their problems and gives insight to people 1603 01:09:37,896 --> 01:09:41,064 for various issues, but she has some back-story 1604 01:09:41,166 --> 01:09:43,566 with Picard, and it's a personal relationship with him 1605 01:09:43,668 --> 01:09:45,079 that drives that character forward. 1606 01:09:45,103 --> 01:09:46,748 And it's the only reason she's on the ship. 1607 01:09:46,772 --> 01:09:49,572 It's the only reason that she really matters on the show." 1608 01:09:49,674 --> 01:09:52,575 In my mind, always believed that 1609 01:09:52,677 --> 01:09:55,412 Guinan was the great-great great-great-great- 1610 01:09:55,514 --> 01:09:57,325 great-great-great-great- great-great-great-great-great- 1611 01:09:57,349 --> 01:09:59,883 great-great-great-great-great... couple more greats 1612 01:09:59,985 --> 01:10:02,485 grandmother of Picard. 1613 01:10:02,587 --> 01:10:05,955 And the reason she's on the ship is just to see how he's doing. 1614 01:10:06,057 --> 01:10:08,124 'Cause, you know, she can go anywhere at any time, 1615 01:10:08,226 --> 01:10:10,794 and she just irritates the hell outta Q. 1616 01:10:10,896 --> 01:10:13,563 Which made me very happy. John is wonderful. 1617 01:10:13,665 --> 01:10:16,466 You know him? 1618 01:10:16,568 --> 01:10:17,967 We have had some dealings. 1619 01:10:18,069 --> 01:10:21,037 Those dealings were two centuries ago. 1620 01:10:21,139 --> 01:10:23,773 This creature is not what she appears to be. 1621 01:10:23,875 --> 01:10:25,942 She's an imp, and where she goes 1622 01:10:26,044 --> 01:10:27,911 trouble always follows. 1623 01:10:28,013 --> 01:10:29,946 You're speaking of yourself, Q, not Guinan. 1624 01:10:30,048 --> 01:10:32,515 Guinan? Is that your name now? 1625 01:10:32,617 --> 01:10:34,784 Guinan is not the issue here. You are. 1626 01:10:34,886 --> 01:10:40,089 I ended up doing six episodes of "Next Generation." 1627 01:10:40,192 --> 01:10:41,903 Anytime there was an episode with Q in it, 1628 01:10:41,927 --> 01:10:45,662 I loved because whenever he was in an episode, 1629 01:10:45,764 --> 01:10:47,697 he was, you know, he was Agent Mayhem. 1630 01:10:47,799 --> 01:10:51,134 He was... it was going to be something really intense, 1631 01:10:51,236 --> 01:10:53,169 and he was seemingly unstoppable. 1632 01:10:53,271 --> 01:10:55,405 And so it was always really fascinating to watch. 1633 01:10:55,507 --> 01:10:57,407 Jonathan Frakes used to say to me, 1634 01:10:57,509 --> 01:10:59,476 "You're the litmus test. 1635 01:10:59,578 --> 01:11:01,177 You come back once a year." 1636 01:11:01,279 --> 01:11:04,747 I always looked forward to come back, but I never asked. 1637 01:11:04,850 --> 01:11:06,661 It's a little bit like asking whether you're gonna 1638 01:11:06,685 --> 01:11:08,718 be invited to somebody's dinner party. 1639 01:11:08,820 --> 01:11:12,021 The character of Q... that omnipotent, 1640 01:11:12,123 --> 01:11:14,023 Machiavellian, 1641 01:11:14,125 --> 01:11:15,725 cunning, bitter, 1642 01:11:15,827 --> 01:11:18,027 nasty, mean-spirited, 1643 01:11:18,129 --> 01:11:20,230 controlling character... 1644 01:11:20,332 --> 01:11:22,932 I can't even fathom anybody else 1645 01:11:23,034 --> 01:11:25,168 doing as much with it. 1646 01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:27,637 Painting that canvas as completely 1647 01:11:27,739 --> 01:11:32,008 as de Lancie did and does with all his characters. 1648 01:11:32,110 --> 01:11:34,410 Have you any idea how far we'll advance? 1649 01:11:34,513 --> 01:11:37,380 Perhaps in a future that you cannot yet conceive, 1650 01:11:37,482 --> 01:11:39,382 even beyond us. 1651 01:11:39,484 --> 01:11:41,718 The character on the page is just not as entertaining. 1652 01:11:41,820 --> 01:11:43,052 You give it to John de Lancie, 1653 01:11:43,154 --> 01:11:44,921 and it becomes this other thing, right? 1654 01:11:45,023 --> 01:11:46,823 And everyone enjoyed writing for him. 1655 01:11:46,925 --> 01:11:49,092 It really... people would just write 1656 01:11:49,194 --> 01:11:51,594 scene after scene after scene for Q in any of those shows, 1657 01:11:51,696 --> 01:11:55,064 and many of them were too silly or too over-the-top, 1658 01:11:55,166 --> 01:11:57,033 but you just really enjoyed it. 1659 01:11:57,135 --> 01:11:58,379 You really couldn't wait to dig your... 1660 01:11:58,403 --> 01:12:00,169 Dig into a Q episode. 1661 01:12:00,272 --> 01:12:02,171 Internally, what we said all the time was, 1662 01:12:02,274 --> 01:12:03,506 "Q is in love with Picard." 1663 01:12:03,608 --> 01:12:05,353 That was the fundamental of the relationship. 1664 01:12:05,377 --> 01:12:06,737 He's in love with him. He just is. 1665 01:12:06,811 --> 01:12:08,111 He loves Picard. 1666 01:12:08,213 --> 01:12:10,914 It's a particular relationship with this one human 1667 01:12:11,016 --> 01:12:12,916 and this omnipotent being that's bizarre, 1668 01:12:13,018 --> 01:12:15,451 but that's really what's at the heart of it. 1669 01:12:15,554 --> 01:12:18,121 Coming up, Kirk versus Picard. 1670 01:12:18,223 --> 01:12:20,976 Who will win the battle of the captains? 1671 01:12:23,196 --> 01:12:25,229 "Star Trek" is so character-oriented, 1672 01:12:25,331 --> 01:12:27,398 and there were so many great characters. 1673 01:12:27,500 --> 01:12:28,944 So many people got a chance to shine. 1674 01:12:28,968 --> 01:12:30,479 But I think that my favorite character 1675 01:12:30,503 --> 01:12:32,904 - is "Mcskirk." - "Mcskirk"? 1676 01:12:33,006 --> 01:12:33,938 "Mcskirk." 1677 01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:35,351 Which is McCoy, Scotty, and Kirk. 1678 01:12:35,375 --> 01:12:36,852 - Oh... - 'Cause they're really one guy. 1679 01:12:36,876 --> 01:12:38,776 I was like, "What did I miss?" 1680 01:12:38,878 --> 01:12:40,189 - Mcskirk? - I didn't see that episode. 1681 01:12:40,213 --> 01:12:41,846 It's a transporter malfunction. 1682 01:12:41,948 --> 01:12:43,548 You take that... those three... 1683 01:12:43,650 --> 01:12:45,449 Those three, it's like one guy 1684 01:12:45,552 --> 01:12:46,851 split up three ways. 1685 01:12:46,953 --> 01:12:48,330 You know, ordinarily, if you have one person, 1686 01:12:48,354 --> 01:12:49,832 if you want to know what's going on in their head, 1687 01:12:49,856 --> 01:12:52,023 you gotta have a voice-over or something. 1688 01:12:52,125 --> 01:12:54,592 But with those three guys, split up that way, 1689 01:12:54,694 --> 01:12:56,194 they could have a conversation... 1690 01:12:56,296 --> 01:12:57,573 - Yeah. - And it's really like one guy. 1691 01:12:57,597 --> 01:12:59,463 I gotta go with Kirk. 1692 01:12:59,566 --> 01:13:01,277 - You gotta go with Kirk. - I mean, the original series. 1693 01:13:01,301 --> 01:13:03,034 You just... the way he just kinda, you know, 1694 01:13:03,136 --> 01:13:04,502 - sauntered around. - Yes. 1695 01:13:04,604 --> 01:13:05,603 You gotta love him. 1696 01:13:10,143 --> 01:13:12,543 The Shat was the guy I grew up on. 1697 01:13:12,645 --> 01:13:14,846 I admire Picard. 1698 01:13:14,948 --> 01:13:17,181 I love them all equally, but... 1699 01:13:17,283 --> 01:13:19,884 uh... I think there is no substitute 1700 01:13:19,986 --> 01:13:21,853 for Bill Shatner. 1701 01:13:21,955 --> 01:13:25,423 Shatner's putting on such a great persona 1702 01:13:25,525 --> 01:13:27,892 of a trustworthy captain 1703 01:13:27,994 --> 01:13:30,094 with just enough sense of humor. 1704 01:13:30,196 --> 01:13:32,730 You know? And calm under pressure. 1705 01:13:32,832 --> 01:13:34,498 And good with the ladies. 1706 01:13:34,601 --> 01:13:36,167 Shatner had it all. 1707 01:13:36,269 --> 01:13:38,803 The way he presented that character was just so awesome 1708 01:13:38,905 --> 01:13:41,105 and believable and theatrical at the same time. 1709 01:13:41,207 --> 01:13:43,074 He's not a subtle guy. 1710 01:13:43,176 --> 01:13:45,376 But I just thought it was great. 1711 01:13:45,478 --> 01:13:47,111 He fought... I think it was, like, 1712 01:13:47,213 --> 01:13:49,847 a Gorgan or whatever. It's where he had... 1713 01:13:49,949 --> 01:13:52,216 Captain Kirk is stranded in the desert 1714 01:13:52,318 --> 01:13:53,918 and he's got, like, this lizard creature 1715 01:13:54,020 --> 01:13:55,586 he's gotta fight and he's gotta learn 1716 01:13:55,688 --> 01:13:57,321 how to make, like, gunpowder 1717 01:13:57,423 --> 01:13:59,290 and projectiles and stuff like that. 1718 01:13:59,392 --> 01:14:01,826 Certainly the iconic, classic scene 1719 01:14:01,928 --> 01:14:04,328 in which Spock... or Kirk 1720 01:14:04,430 --> 01:14:06,297 confronts "God" and says, 1721 01:14:06,399 --> 01:14:08,599 "What does God need with a starship?" 1722 01:14:08,701 --> 01:14:10,179 What other character in the history of cinema 1723 01:14:10,203 --> 01:14:12,503 would come up to God? Not even Charlton Heston 1724 01:14:12,605 --> 01:14:15,406 would say to God, "What do you need with a starship?" 1725 01:14:15,508 --> 01:14:16,774 Absolutely, without question, 1726 01:14:16,876 --> 01:14:19,911 my favorite captain is James T. Kirk. 1727 01:14:20,013 --> 01:14:22,847 I mean, he just... Kirk did the right thing. 1728 01:14:22,949 --> 01:14:25,149 He said the right thing. People looked up to him. 1729 01:14:25,251 --> 01:14:28,319 He was a man of action. He was a man of romance. 1730 01:14:28,421 --> 01:14:32,256 And, like, I mean, as performed by William Shatner? 1731 01:14:32,358 --> 01:14:34,191 I mean, there was a reason why as a little kid 1732 01:14:34,294 --> 01:14:36,027 I wanted to be Captain Kirk. 1733 01:14:36,129 --> 01:14:40,064 There's a reason why as an almost 50-year-old grown-up 1734 01:14:40,166 --> 01:14:41,966 that I still watch the original series 1735 01:14:42,068 --> 01:14:44,201 and I still wanna be James T. Kirk. 1736 01:14:44,304 --> 01:14:45,670 He is the best captain. 1737 01:14:48,308 --> 01:14:49,540 The way he would stare down 1738 01:14:49,642 --> 01:14:52,643 100-foot tall Apollo, and with great... 1739 01:14:52,745 --> 01:14:54,946 sort of indignation. 1740 01:14:55,048 --> 01:14:57,515 "What gives you the right..." you know, 1741 01:14:57,617 --> 01:15:01,585 to a 100-foot tall god... 1742 01:15:01,688 --> 01:15:03,921 He shouted, "What gives you the right?" 1743 01:15:04,023 --> 01:15:06,090 When Apollo just could have... 1744 01:15:06,192 --> 01:15:07,992 Done that. 1745 01:15:08,094 --> 01:15:11,295 Yeah, the sort of leadership and the fearlessness 1746 01:15:11,397 --> 01:15:14,932 and also... my first understanding 1747 01:15:15,034 --> 01:15:15,967 of what a... 1748 01:15:16,069 --> 01:15:17,468 - you lead by example. - Yeah. 1749 01:15:17,570 --> 01:15:18,970 The captain's setting, 1750 01:15:19,072 --> 01:15:20,705 the fish stinks from the head down, 1751 01:15:20,807 --> 01:15:23,274 all of those leadership qualities 1752 01:15:23,376 --> 01:15:27,578 that hadn't been shown to me by a family member 1753 01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:29,146 or by anyone at school, a teacher. 1754 01:15:29,248 --> 01:15:34,185 Really, it oddly was that leadership necessary 1755 01:15:34,287 --> 01:15:37,254 as put forth by Captain James Tiberius Kirk. 1756 01:15:37,357 --> 01:15:39,690 I mean, I love Captain Kirk. However... 1757 01:15:39,792 --> 01:15:41,959 I have... you know, I have to say 1758 01:15:42,061 --> 01:15:44,195 that I think my favorite captain is Picard... 1759 01:15:44,297 --> 01:15:45,963 - Uh-huh. - Because the thing is 1760 01:15:46,065 --> 01:15:48,165 Kirk is really only 1/3rd of a guy. 1761 01:15:48,267 --> 01:15:49,867 - Oh... - He's only 1/3rd of a guy! 1762 01:15:49,969 --> 01:15:51,769 - Interesting. - Picard is a nice, 1763 01:15:51,871 --> 01:15:53,170 well-rounded guy. 1764 01:15:53,272 --> 01:15:55,439 And he doesn't have to punch anybody in the face 1765 01:15:55,541 --> 01:15:57,208 to get his point across, right? 1766 01:15:57,310 --> 01:15:58,554 - But if he has to, he can. - Well, he can, 1767 01:15:58,578 --> 01:16:00,544 but he usually has Riker do it or Worf. 1768 01:16:00,646 --> 01:16:02,780 Yeah, he, uh... 1769 01:16:02,882 --> 01:16:04,749 You know, for me, in a lot of ways, 1770 01:16:04,851 --> 01:16:07,351 "Next Generation" was a... 1771 01:16:07,453 --> 01:16:09,420 - "Star Trek" kind of grown up. - Yeah. 1772 01:16:09,522 --> 01:16:11,122 You know? And that started with Picard. 1773 01:16:11,224 --> 01:16:13,290 Yeah. My answer's actually Picard too. 1774 01:16:13,393 --> 01:16:15,259 Just because I find him to be... 1775 01:16:15,361 --> 01:16:17,628 I don't think he's the most realistic of a captain. 1776 01:16:17,730 --> 01:16:19,697 I think that Picard has so few flaws, 1777 01:16:19,799 --> 01:16:21,599 and he only really finally becomes human 1778 01:16:21,701 --> 01:16:23,901 after he's a Borg and then turned into a human. 1779 01:16:24,003 --> 01:16:25,280 You know, he really just starts like... 1780 01:16:25,304 --> 01:16:27,338 They give him a love story once in a while... 1781 01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:28,806 But it just... I don't know. 1782 01:16:28,908 --> 01:16:31,509 I just love... I found Picard to be virtuous 1783 01:16:31,611 --> 01:16:34,245 and I found Picard to be like, oh... 1784 01:16:34,347 --> 01:16:38,249 if humans could one day turn into that guy, 1785 01:16:38,351 --> 01:16:40,551 maybe "Star Trek's" plausible. 1786 01:16:40,653 --> 01:16:42,086 But it's not gonna happen. 1787 01:16:42,188 --> 01:16:43,588 Yeah, he's a great representation 1788 01:16:43,656 --> 01:16:45,200 0 of kind of Rodenberry's vision. - Yeah, a vision of what 1789 01:16:45,224 --> 01:16:46,468 - humanity can be. - A captain needs to be. 1790 01:16:46,492 --> 01:16:48,125 - What a captain is. - Exactly. 1791 01:16:48,227 --> 01:16:49,627 Yeah. Just putting every... 1792 01:16:49,729 --> 01:16:51,495 He just... I don't know. I just always... 1793 01:16:51,597 --> 01:16:53,317 And that accent. I mean, you can't really... 1794 01:16:53,366 --> 01:16:54,910 - Well, the accent, yeah. - Top that voice. 1795 01:16:54,934 --> 01:16:58,269 Coming up, the 50-year legacy of "Star Trek" 1796 01:16:58,371 --> 01:16:59,637 and beyond. 1797 01:17:01,957 --> 01:17:03,891 The show is about what it is to be human, 1798 01:17:03,993 --> 01:17:05,826 and that never goes out of style. 1799 01:17:05,928 --> 01:17:07,608 And it's the type of stories that they tell 1800 01:17:07,663 --> 01:17:09,897 that you don't generally get in other television shows. 1801 01:17:09,999 --> 01:17:11,865 - Yeah. - The introspective... 1802 01:17:11,967 --> 01:17:14,201 And the basis of it is who are we... 1803 01:17:14,303 --> 01:17:15,769 who are we as human beings? 1804 01:17:15,871 --> 01:17:17,571 I think it's because 1805 01:17:17,673 --> 01:17:19,673 it's an optimistic view of the future. 1806 01:17:19,775 --> 01:17:21,375 - Hope. - Yeah. It's hope. 1807 01:17:21,477 --> 01:17:22,910 - Yeah. - I think that's exactly 1808 01:17:23,012 --> 01:17:24,652 what it is... it's an optimistic portrayal 1809 01:17:24,714 --> 01:17:26,680 of what we could hopefully achieve 1810 01:17:26,782 --> 01:17:29,383 and what our society could be like 1811 01:17:29,485 --> 01:17:31,151 and that we finally accept each other 1812 01:17:31,253 --> 01:17:33,921 and we finally learn to look past differences 1813 01:17:34,023 --> 01:17:35,489 and things like that. 1814 01:17:35,591 --> 01:17:37,691 And I think that we so desperately hope 1815 01:17:37,793 --> 01:17:39,793 that we can achieve that. 1816 01:17:39,895 --> 01:17:42,463 And it evolves, you know, from series to series, 1817 01:17:42,565 --> 01:17:43,931 over the 50 years. 1818 01:17:44,033 --> 01:17:46,033 It may have some core values and ideas 1819 01:17:46,135 --> 01:17:47,835 and the optimism and the hope, 1820 01:17:47,937 --> 01:17:49,970 but it evolves with the times, too. 1821 01:17:50,072 --> 01:17:53,907 So it, you know, it... hopefully the next reiteration 1822 01:17:54,009 --> 01:17:57,177 will fit our times today much like, you know, 1823 01:17:57,279 --> 01:17:59,213 "The Next Gen" did in the late '80s, early '90s 1824 01:17:59,315 --> 01:18:01,348 or "Deep Space Nine" and "Voyager" in the '90s, 1825 01:18:01,450 --> 01:18:03,717 and, of course, the original series back in the '60s. 1826 01:18:03,819 --> 01:18:05,219 But it's been able to evolve. 1827 01:18:05,321 --> 01:18:06,961 It hasn't been a static kind of franchise. 1828 01:18:07,022 --> 01:18:08,662 That is what's great about it, for sure. 1829 01:18:10,793 --> 01:18:12,826 There's that Martin Luther King line... 1830 01:18:12,928 --> 01:18:15,963 "The arc of history bends toward justice." 1831 01:18:16,065 --> 01:18:17,598 I think for fans of this show, 1832 01:18:17,700 --> 01:18:19,733 the arc of history bends towards "Star Trek," 1833 01:18:19,835 --> 01:18:22,169 that we have this hope, this belief, 1834 01:18:22,271 --> 01:18:25,205 that... things are getting better. 1835 01:18:25,307 --> 01:18:27,641 And that, yeah, we're probably not gonna, you know, 1836 01:18:27,743 --> 01:18:29,777 run into guys with pointed ears out there. 1837 01:18:29,879 --> 01:18:32,780 But we will find a way 1838 01:18:32,882 --> 01:18:35,249 to fix our problems 1839 01:18:35,351 --> 01:18:37,885 and move out into the universe 1840 01:18:37,987 --> 01:18:40,087 and believe in, you know, the... 1841 01:18:40,189 --> 01:18:42,556 you know, the better angels of our nature 1842 01:18:42,658 --> 01:18:45,459 and... and make the world a better place. 1843 01:18:45,561 --> 01:18:48,829 One thing about "Star Trek" that I've said before 1844 01:18:48,931 --> 01:18:50,564 and I really believe it 1845 01:18:50,666 --> 01:18:55,135 is it was the Beatles of 1960s TV. 1846 01:18:55,237 --> 01:18:57,237 And if you had to describe the Beatles, 1847 01:18:57,339 --> 01:18:58,806 you would say it's magic. 1848 01:18:58,908 --> 01:19:00,941 And take any one of them out of that band, 1849 01:19:01,043 --> 01:19:02,810 and it's not the Beatles. 1850 01:19:02,912 --> 01:19:05,078 Well, "Star Trek's" the same way 1851 01:19:05,181 --> 01:19:06,447 from the same period. 1852 01:19:06,549 --> 01:19:08,715 I mean, take William Shatner out. 1853 01:19:08,818 --> 01:19:10,217 Take Leonard Nimoy out. 1854 01:19:10,319 --> 01:19:12,619 Take Rodenberry or Coon or Fontana out 1855 01:19:12,721 --> 01:19:15,289 or Deforest Kelley, and you don't have it. 1856 01:19:15,391 --> 01:19:16,924 It's still gonna be good, 1857 01:19:17,026 --> 01:19:19,293 but it's not gonna be what it is, 1858 01:19:19,395 --> 01:19:22,463 and we wouldn't have what we have now 15 years later. 1859 01:19:22,565 --> 01:19:24,932 I think there's a lot of reasons why it endures so long. 1860 01:19:25,034 --> 01:19:27,835 You know, I think, um... 1861 01:19:27,937 --> 01:19:29,369 I think the biggest thing to me, 1862 01:19:29,472 --> 01:19:31,505 in terms of its longevity and success, 1863 01:19:31,607 --> 01:19:35,876 is that it is unique in that its portrayal of the future, 1864 01:19:35,978 --> 01:19:38,412 the optimistic portrayal of the future, 1865 01:19:38,514 --> 01:19:40,814 does kind of stand alone in pop culture. 1866 01:19:40,916 --> 01:19:42,749 The vast majority of science fiction pieces 1867 01:19:42,852 --> 01:19:44,452 that take place in the future, you know, 1868 01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:47,387 show us a dystopian future, a terrible future. 1869 01:19:47,490 --> 01:19:50,257 Here's the only real science fiction construct 1870 01:19:50,359 --> 01:19:52,226 that I wanna go live in, you know, 1871 01:19:52,328 --> 01:19:53,660 that I want to be part of. 1872 01:19:53,762 --> 01:19:56,897 I want to join that crew. I want to live that life. 1873 01:19:56,999 --> 01:19:59,500 I want to have those adventures with those people. 1874 01:19:59,602 --> 01:20:03,237 "Star Trek" has something to say about who we are as people, 1875 01:20:03,339 --> 01:20:05,405 who we aspire to be, 1876 01:20:05,508 --> 01:20:09,009 and it says that we will endure. 1877 01:20:09,111 --> 01:20:11,044 We will overcome all obstacles. 1878 01:20:11,146 --> 01:20:13,080 I think "Star Trek" will be around 1879 01:20:13,182 --> 01:20:15,082 for a long, long time 1880 01:20:15,184 --> 01:20:17,818 because it's a unique piece of science fiction 1881 01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,654 in that it's optimistic. 1882 01:20:20,756 --> 01:20:21,922 "Star Trek" is optimistic. 1883 01:20:22,024 --> 01:20:23,924 It holds out the hope 1884 01:20:24,026 --> 01:20:27,427 not that humans are gonna be somehow perfect in the future 1885 01:20:27,530 --> 01:20:28,929 but things can get better. 1886 01:20:29,031 --> 01:20:30,631 I think "Star Trek" succeeded 1887 01:20:30,733 --> 01:20:33,600 because a number of elements fell into place. 1888 01:20:33,702 --> 01:20:36,703 They had a great overall story. 1889 01:20:36,805 --> 01:20:41,308 They're modern-day pioneers where no man has gone before. 1890 01:20:41,410 --> 01:20:43,277 So it could be the Wild West. 1891 01:20:43,379 --> 01:20:46,880 It's the Wild West in space, really, led by a great captain 1892 01:20:46,982 --> 01:20:48,749 and an incredible team. 1893 01:20:48,851 --> 01:20:51,618 And I think it's gone on for 50 years so far 1894 01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:55,722 because it is a show about human interest 1895 01:20:55,824 --> 01:20:59,192 and adventure and how far we will go 1896 01:20:59,295 --> 01:21:02,930 to try to learn more and to expand our own worlds 1897 01:21:03,032 --> 01:21:04,298 and our own minds. 1898 01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:06,233 And I think that's something that resonates 1899 01:21:06,335 --> 01:21:07,768 with people 50 years ago, 1900 01:21:07,870 --> 01:21:10,437 and it'll resonate with people 50 years from now. 1901 01:21:10,539 --> 01:21:14,808 And now, of course, J.J. has taken it to a whole other place. 1902 01:21:14,910 --> 01:21:16,877 Why "Star Trek" is still relevant 1903 01:21:16,979 --> 01:21:20,147 is because of the paradigm that Gene Rodenberry came up with, 1904 01:21:20,249 --> 01:21:22,749 the idea of unity, of humanity... 1905 01:21:22,851 --> 01:21:26,086 And other species, actually... working together. 1906 01:21:26,188 --> 01:21:27,821 There's an optimism to it 1907 01:21:27,923 --> 01:21:30,223 that I think we've never needed more than now. 1908 01:21:30,326 --> 01:21:32,659 Well, it starts with the characters, you know. 1909 01:21:32,761 --> 01:21:34,161 I love the ensemble. 1910 01:21:34,263 --> 01:21:35,629 I love the idea that, you know, 1911 01:21:35,731 --> 01:21:37,091 this group of people came together 1912 01:21:37,132 --> 01:21:39,900 and through the shared journey, they become a family. 1913 01:21:40,002 --> 01:21:42,169 The sense of family that goes beyond blood. 1914 01:21:42,271 --> 01:21:45,105 And I also love every night there's a sense of discovery 1915 01:21:45,207 --> 01:21:46,707 and exploration, you know, 1916 01:21:46,809 --> 01:21:49,176 and that, to me, is the DNA of "Star Trek." 1917 01:21:49,278 --> 01:21:51,511 You know, I think "Star Trek's" enduring appeal 1918 01:21:51,614 --> 01:21:54,581 is really because it presents a vision of humanity 1919 01:21:54,683 --> 01:21:57,551 that is united and, particularly in this day and age, 1920 01:21:57,653 --> 01:22:00,153 it's wonderful to have kind of a beacon of morality 1921 01:22:00,255 --> 01:22:03,624 to see that, you know, maybe the dystopian future 1922 01:22:03,726 --> 01:22:06,326 that you see in a lot of movies like the "Mad Max" movies 1923 01:22:06,428 --> 01:22:09,062 and the "Blade Runner" movies is not gonna be our future. 1924 01:22:09,164 --> 01:22:10,631 Collectivism versus separatism, 1925 01:22:10,733 --> 01:22:13,066 which is a big thing in today's society, you know. 1926 01:22:13,168 --> 01:22:15,202 About how we're better together. 1927 01:22:15,304 --> 01:22:17,344 And that was something that we felt obligated to do. 1928 01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:18,672 This is "Star Trek." 1929 01:22:18,774 --> 01:22:20,652 "Star Trek" has always spoken about who we are now. 1930 01:22:20,676 --> 01:22:23,343 And now it's, I guess, coming back on another network. 1931 01:22:23,445 --> 01:22:26,013 You know I'ma try to get on there, you know, just to see. 1932 01:22:26,115 --> 01:22:30,183 Because I try... You know, Guinan is everywhere all the time. 1933 01:22:30,285 --> 01:22:33,186 A majority of the "Star Trek" fans that I've met 1934 01:22:33,288 --> 01:22:34,821 are proactive 1935 01:22:34,923 --> 01:22:38,325 in making that vision of a better future a reality. 1936 01:22:38,427 --> 01:22:41,595 The "Star Trek" fans are the most unique people 1937 01:22:41,697 --> 01:22:43,196 you've ever met. 1938 01:22:43,298 --> 01:22:45,766 They know your character. 1939 01:22:45,868 --> 01:22:49,636 They know every episode and what it meant 1940 01:22:49,738 --> 01:22:51,605 and how it affected them. 1941 01:22:51,707 --> 01:22:53,507 If I were given the choice 1942 01:22:53,609 --> 01:22:57,077 of any character ever portrayed on television... 1943 01:22:57,179 --> 01:22:58,556 That I could play any character I wanted... 1944 01:22:58,580 --> 01:23:00,080 I would choose Spock. 1945 01:23:00,182 --> 01:23:02,349 Well, people identified with us. 1946 01:23:02,451 --> 01:23:05,585 They identified with "Star Trek," 1947 01:23:05,688 --> 01:23:08,555 they identified with the characters. 1948 01:23:08,657 --> 01:23:11,058 They were dressing in their own uniforms 1949 01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:12,626 and their own costumes. 1950 01:23:12,728 --> 01:23:15,495 It resonated with that group of people 1951 01:23:15,597 --> 01:23:17,464 that were kids, you know, 1952 01:23:17,566 --> 01:23:19,800 and now they're young adults. 1953 01:23:19,902 --> 01:23:21,868 "Star Trek" created an umbrella 1954 01:23:21,970 --> 01:23:24,538 for everybody else. 1955 01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:27,941 And then once we got in under the shade, 1956 01:23:28,043 --> 01:23:30,811 we then said, "Oh, come. Come and join us." 1957 01:23:30,913 --> 01:23:33,714 That's what "Star Trek" did. 1958 01:23:33,816 --> 01:23:36,883 And that tent will continue to grow. 1959 01:23:36,985 --> 01:23:38,685 And it's now 30 years later for our show, 1960 01:23:38,787 --> 01:23:40,087 when I'm talking to you, 1961 01:23:40,189 --> 01:23:43,757 50 years for the original show, and, I mean, 1962 01:23:43,859 --> 01:23:46,646 it goes in waves, but people are still 1963 01:23:46,703 --> 01:23:49,176 attached to, committed to, 1964 01:23:49,288 --> 01:23:52,216 affected by, interested in 1965 01:23:52,346 --> 01:23:54,538 this thing that Gene invented, 1966 01:23:54,655 --> 01:23:56,887 and I was blessed enough to be part of. 155908

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