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[man] The term "pre-crime"
comes from this movie,
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Minority Report, in which
a prediction is being made
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about something an individual
has not yet done
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but is going to do, and a
preemptive arrest is made
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of someone before they've
performed the act.
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[man 2] If you would have
asked me 37 years ago
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if we would have gunshot
detection or video cameras
in neighborhoods
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or be able to predict
where crimes occur,
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I would have said you're crazy.
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[man 3] It's not aiming
to a certain future,
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the future is already in
the present right now.
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It's the securitization
of our society.
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[man 4] I have no idea what
the next five or ten years
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is going to mean to
law enforcement in terms
of technology advancement.
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Just looking at where
we've come so far,
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it's gonna be mind-boggling.
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[man 5] Can we predict
an actual crime event
before it occurs?
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[waves crashing]
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[man] When I heard of this
story for the first time,
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I thought,
"Now it's finally happening."
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Hollywood has eventually
merged with real life.
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Software that predicts where
and when
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the next crime occurs,
police that arrive
at the crime scene
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before the perpetrator,
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computers that generate lists
with tomorrow's murders.
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Pre-crime, they call it.
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A friend writes to me,
"There's something foreign
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"looming on the horizon,
and we can only guess
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that it will shape
us entirely one day."
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[distant police sirens]
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[man 2] Our strategic subject,
list, or it's called the SSL,
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is a system that we
worked with a professor
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from the Illinois
Institute of Technology,
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an academic partner
here in Chicago,
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to be able to assess
and analyze those people
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that are at the greatest risk
of being a party to violence.
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The system is able to
prioritize and tell us
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those individuals that we
really have to focus on,
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to work with to try to
prevent that violence.
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When you have so many
different data sets,
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or you have
so many cameras to watch,
which ones do we watch?
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Social media, right?
So many different social media
communications out there.
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How do you know what
to concentrate on?
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That's what our
predictive aspect towards
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that strategic subject list,
that's what it does.
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[man] They experimented with
it a little bit in 2012.
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2013 is really when it took off.
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They came-- the police
department came up with,
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um, more than 400 names
of people who fit that bill.
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Individuals who were most
likely to be prone to violence,
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either as a victim
or a perpetrator.
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Each of the 22 police
districts came up with 20 names.
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And they were chosen,
I don't know the science of it,
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but it was all through
mathematical algorithms,
basically.
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And it didn't have
anything to do so much with
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them being hardened
criminals as much as it had
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to do with,
"Who are they arrested with?"
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[mutters indistinctly]
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[doorbell rings]
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[dog barking]
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-Mr. Robert McDaniel?
-Yes.
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Hi, I'm Commander West
and I am with
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the 15th District
Chicago Police Department.
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-May we come in?
-Yes.
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[Gorner]
Like, take
Robert McDaniel, for example.
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He was not a hardened criminal.
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He had been arrested
for many minor offenses,
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like gambling, shooting dice,
or smoking marijuana.
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Minor offenses, but the people
who he was arrested with
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during those crimes,
some of them,
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or least one of them,
was a victim of violence.
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So, the logic was
is that, well, Robert belongs
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on the list because he has
a relationship with somebody
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who's been
a victim of violence,
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because he's been arrested
with that person before.
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[man] I was unemployed,
a school dropout.
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It was either go get work
or sell drugs in the street,
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and selling drugs
wasn't for me.
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I tried to put myself...
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I tried to get my GED.
That didn't work.
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And in the midst of me
trying to get my GED,
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I started getting followed home,
started having police officers
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walk up on me, ride up on me,
saying my name, government name,
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where I had been and...
just things like that.
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Then... I had Miss Officer West
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and a social worker--
I can't remember his name,
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but they had stopped at my home,
they stopped at my house
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and subpoenaed me,
told me that I was put through
some type of test,
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they're saying I was supposed to
be eligible to shoot somebody
or get myself shot.
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That I was put on the Heat List
of 400 people in Chicago.
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Mr. McDaniel, as part of our
violent reduction strategy,
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our software has generated a
list of potential criminals,
actors, and victims.
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We are here today to
inform you of the fact that
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our computers have placed
you on the Heat List
of the police department.
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Now, should you decide
to continue to engage
in criminal activity,
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you should know we're gonna
charge you
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and we will prosecute you to
the fullest extent of the law.
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[McDaniel] I guess we was
associated or had friends
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that's supposed to be
in the streets,
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or however the scenario go.
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But we was put through a test,
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and we supposed to came
out the most...
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The, like, top 400 dangerous
people in Chicago.
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Now, yet again,
like I asked you,
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how can I be dangerous for
smoking weed or shooting dice?
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Who does this hurt?
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[Caluris] The timeline shows all
the criminal activity
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that that person's
associated with.
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If you see on the bottom,
those are all interactions
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that he's had with the police.
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Either as an arrest,
as a contact,
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as a victim,
anything with it.
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So, you know,
who he hangs with,
you know where he's been,
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everything to do with
him that we've documented
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through police interaction.
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Scroll down, please,
whoever's got that.
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This shows-- this is what
they'll compile
and put together
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and get back out into the field
within 15 minutes.
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So, if this person is
the victim of a shooting
or a violent crime,
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they'll pull up there,
it's got their
criminal history...
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That's associates...
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So everything you saw before
was all the criminal history
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involved with that individual,
so there's probably
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maybe about 25, 30 arrests
that you saw on that subject.
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The associates,
people that they're documented
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as having an affiliation with,
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that's, again,
a pretty comprehensive list.
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Certainly, we can actually
do even like a link analysis
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to be able to show how
that network interacts.
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The idea that you
could essentially connect
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all of the data streams
that government collects
in different ways,
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everything from your arrest
records,
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to your contacts,
to your foreclosures,
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to your mental health records,
to your social benefits,
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and put 'em in a particular
computer database,
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and then be able
to do link analysis where
you connect a phone number
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from all the different sources
and go out several links
and be able to see the world,
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is something you would
never imagine that
is technologically possible now.
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[man] Let's summarize:
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Firstly, they are quite
serious about fighting
crime with algorithms.
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Secondly, Robert McDaniel
is on the wrong side
of the algorithm.
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Thirdly,
apart from its developers,
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nobody knows how the algorithm
behind the Heat List works.
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Fourthly, in 2016,
statistically,
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2.0876 people are killed
every day in Chicago.
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How does an algorithm that
promises safety actually work?
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[distant police sirens]
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[man] We've been
using predictive policing
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in Kent now for three years.
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And we use
a system called PredPol.
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This is a system
that is predominantly
a patrol strategy for us.
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So it tells our officers where
the high-risk areas are today,
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and they go to those areas
and carry out their duties
as they normally would.
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We find the system is
very adaptable,
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very easy
for our officers to use.
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What we would describe as an
operationally ready system.
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We've helped
to develop PredPol,
which is an American system,
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and we've played
a large role in what
PredPol looks like today.
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In terms of the future,
we're looking at how we can
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protect against
less tangible areas
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around organized crime
and modern slavery,
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sexual crime,
and protecting our borders.
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And that's the next
big challenge for us,
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and we're working with
PredPol around data fusion,
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and also with the home office,
the government in the UK,
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to produce more and better
predictive policing models.
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[waves crashing]
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[man] That's quite a
remarkable list.
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Organized crime,
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human trafficking,
sexual offenses,
border security.
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An algorithm that targets
criminals just as migrants.
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Question:
what else does it target?
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Question: who gets
what kind of security?
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Question: who is protected
by the algorithm
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and who isn't?
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[Johnson] What's embedded within
the algorithm, within PredPol,
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is something called
routine activity theory,
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which is-- as you know, we to
tend to do the same things
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day in, day out,
in the same way.
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You know,
I go to the same supermarket,
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I tend to drive the same
direction to that supermarket,
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even though I don't have to.
I tend to go to the same bar.
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Um... criminals are the same,
you know,
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they're creatures of habit,
and they don't like to
take risks.
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A lot of the theory
and research within PredPol
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is based on some pretty heavy
criminological research,
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most of it done in Europe
that says, you know what?
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There's a lot around
repeat behavior,
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repeat behavior of victims
as well as criminals.
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What we did initially with
the system is give it,
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it was put through five years
worth of crime data
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and three year's worth of
antisocial behavior data.
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So if you think about how long
we've had it in place now,
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that means we've got eight
years of crime data in it
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and about six years of
antisocial behavior data.
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We send data over
on a daily basis
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and the data is analyzed,
and then that is sent back to us
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in the form of Google Maps
with red boxes on it.
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Those boxes represent
the high-risk areas
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that we then say to our
officers,
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"Get in the box
and police what you see."
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[Gorner] They have like
a ranking system...
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which shows how many times
more likely are they
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than the general population
to be prone to violence.
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So, Robert
had a rating of 215,
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which meant he's 215 times
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more likely to be
prone to violence.
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But Robert wasn't... I mean,
that paled in comparison
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to a number of other
people on the list.
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There were a lot of people
on that list
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who were than 500 times
more likely
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to be party to violence.
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And, again, that's not because
of their criminal history.
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That's because of the people
they've been arrested with.
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[man on P.A.] Doors closing.
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[Ferguson] You know, so, this
is what's really frightening,
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is that there are companies
now scoring every citizen.
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And our political elections
right now,
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the Republicans and Democrats
are really doing
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this nanotargeting where
they really are scoring
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families to the address, right?
So that information's out there.
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It's not really out there
whether they're a felon or not,
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but it is out there.
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And so what
the police here are doing,
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is they're literally just
purchasing the information
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that other people already have.
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Now that scored society,
of course, is frightening.
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Of course
it's not just a privacy sense
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that you are giving out
this information.
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It's about a government
owning this information, right?
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This is a different situation.
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In America, we are pretty
willing to let big companies
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like Google and Apple
know pretty much everything
about ourselves,
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but we're more reluctant
to have government,
and that's a good line to draw.
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What's happening here is this
sort of data convergence,
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where you're really
seeing private companies
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collecting this information,
and then essentially selling it
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or offering it through
different services
to law enforcement.
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And people do know
that information.
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Even if the police
don't have it,
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the private companies
do have it,
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and that's part of
where we are now
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as technology is collecting
as much information
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about us as it can.
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[man]
Facebook like, click, saved.
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We deliver the data which
generates information about us
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that circulate on the internet
until the next update
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creates yet another
data set, and so on.
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Data mining endlessly.
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Somewhere fairly
lost at the bottom
of the digital food chain,
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there are people
like Robert McDaniel.
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Privacy? What privacy?
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[man]
Whenever someone fills out
an application for a loan,
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they're going to be providing
certain information.
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The Beware Software,
they access databases
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from financial institutions,
the courts,
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any type of loaning
institutions.
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Beware has the ability
to access all of those
databases, simultaneously.
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So when a call comes in
to our dispatch center
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and it is categorized
as a life-threatening call
or a in-progress crime,
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then-- and there's an address
attached-- the Beware Software
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automatically searches
all of these databases
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and then provides the operator
in the real-time crime center,
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information specific
to that address.
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People that have lived there,
do live there,
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their cell phone numbers,
prior addresses, associates.
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The other piece
that Beware allows for
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is to research social media
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and to gather any type
of information
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that might be in there
in terms of threats.
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The theory behind Beware
makes a lot of sense.
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If I was that police
officer on the street
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and I was entering a house
and I didn't know
who lived there,
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I'd want all the information
I could.
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But the problem is,
if it's sourced through these
data brokers,
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there just isn't really
much accuracy.
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So, you might be
arriving at a house,
and the address alerts
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says "a dangerous place,"
that maybe somebody
lives there.
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Maybe that dangerous
person moved.
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The problem is accuracy.
I mean, have you ever gotten
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the wrong catalog in the mail
and, like, "Why did someone
send me a particular catalog?
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I don't have children,
why do I have it?"
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That's the inaccuracy
that comes along with these
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data brokers, right?
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They don't need to be perfect,
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because what they're
really doing is trying to
sell products to people.
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Well, if the algorithms
used in the private sector
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have allowed them to become
more successful
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in targeting their audience
to sell product,
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then we should take advantage
of that same algorithm
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that allows us to become
more successful
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in law enforcement
and preventing crime.
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[people chattering]
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[man] In the case of
the Beware Software,
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I think the bad far outweighs
any potential good.
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And I can see how
in a perfect world,
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and if the software
were perfect,
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it could help make
police officers safer.
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The problem is,
nothing is perfect.
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For instance, one of the
things that the software
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company says that it looks at
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are postings on social media,
such as Facebook and Twitter.
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There was one woman in
another city who was flagged
in the software
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for making comments on Twitter
about rage.
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Rage has a very specific
meaning in terms of anger,
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violence, but the rage
she was talking about
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was a card game called
"Rage" that had nothing to do
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with violence, or aggression,
or anything like that.
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Yet she was flagged
as being a possible problem
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because she had sent
these messages about rage.
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And what if someone is
making comments about that
they don't trust the police?
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Is that gonna flag them as
being a potential problem?
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So there are too many
opportunities for the computer
to get it wrong.
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And if they get it wrong
coupled with a police department
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that already is much more likely
than other police departments
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to shoot citizens,
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that's a recipe,
potentially, for disaster.
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[waves crashing]
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[man]
Taking up one question again.
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Why are we forcing these
technologies upon ourselves?
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The Silicon Valleys
of this world are making
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a lot of money with them, okay.
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We, the users, enjoy the
comfort in Google land, fine.
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And that's it?
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What if the internet,
fed by the permanent feedback
of its users,
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already had
its virtual awakening?
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What if it developed its
own needs and interests?
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If it was always leading us
to more convenient technologies
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because we pay for it
with private data?
330
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What if freedom
was just an illusion?
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[man] If we build a game,
a city game,
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in which technology's in
everything and you're a hacker,
333
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,120
then you'll have a lot of
control and a lot of power.
334
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,760
So that was an
interesting idea for us.
335
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,240
So I started doing research.
336
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,440
And we started looking
at what existed already.
337
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And we started seeing that
a lot of that technology
was already out there.
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That it was technically
almost feasible to do that.
339
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,920
So instead of us trying
to invent science-fiction,
340
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we started grounding
our creation to reality.
341
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,840
You know,
we've all heard of big data,
342
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the notion that
all those cameras,
343
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,000
but also all those devices--
our phones,
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computers we use,
the chips in our cars--
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they're gathering
our informations.
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Those informations are stored.
We don't even know where.
347
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,360
Oftentimes we accept
that they get accumulated.
348
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,560
And big data,
it's a neutral technology.
349
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It can be used for good,
it can be used for bad.
350
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We like calling it
the digital shadow of people.
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You knew
what was their earnings...
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you know, some important
facts of their lives.
353
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And as you go around
the game simulation,
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you could open what
we called a profiler,
355
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,440
which would tap in
all those devices,
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do facial recognition
and all that,
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and give you information
on the citizens
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of our virtual Chicago.
359
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This is not a dystopian game.
360
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,560
It happens in a little
different version of our world.
361
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It's very much grounded
in reality,
362
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,960
but we turn the dial to 11
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00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,920
and we say,
"What if this happened?"
364
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,600
And so it's not
the dystopian reality,
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00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,320
it's before
the dystopian reality,
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when things
can be done about it.
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00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,760
[man] "Metropolitan Police,
territorial police,
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00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,040
"are working together
for a safer London.
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00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,960
"To who it may concern,
the Metropolitan Police service
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00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,480
"and all of its partners
are committed
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00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,360
"to reducing knife
and gang crime.
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00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,280
"Information indicates
that you have,
or are associated with,
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"a gang that is linked to crime.
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00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,840
If you are involved in crime
and do not stop..."
375
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,080
"If you are involved in crime
and do not stop,
376
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,320
"you may be targeted by the
police and partner agencies.
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00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,680
"Under a piece of legalization
called Joint Enterprise,
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00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:54,760
"you may be convicted of a crime
and sent to prison
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00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,120
"for just being present when
a serious crime is committed
380
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,160
"or being with those persons
who commit a crime
381
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,880
"and you don't try to stop it.
382
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,240
"You will need to
change your lifestyle.
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00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,760
We can help you to do this."
384
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,280
[chuckles]
385
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,640
"You can speak in confidence
to a police officer
386
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:17,040
"and/or contact any of
the organizations listed
at the end of this letter.
387
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,400
"I would encourage you
to speak to them,
388
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,480
"as they can help you
break any gang links.
389
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,840
Yours sincerely,
borough commander."
390
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,640
That's some bullshit.
391
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,680
Reading that letter
just took me back
392
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:36,600
to when I first received it.
393
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:41,120
And it's funny, 'cause
everybody that's in my circle,
394
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,520
yeah, we all received that
at the same time.
395
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,200
You can't ever,
ever let somebody tell you
396
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:52,640
that you can't chill
around somebody,
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00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,040
you can't go
to a certain area,
you can't do certain things.
398
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,680
Especially when these people
are trying to bring us down.
399
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:00,840
They put things like this
into place just so that
400
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,280
we can act up and--
do you know what I'm saying?
401
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,760
Because what they
don't realize, yeah--
402
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,400
actually, no,
they do realize it.
403
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:09,800
The police do realize it.
404
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,560
They realize that
we haven't got a voice.
405
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,200
Do you know what
I'm saying?
406
00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:15,720
It's like when you was
in school once upon a time
407
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,520
and you put your hand up
to ask the teacher something
408
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,200
or to answer a question,
and the teacher don't
point at you.
409
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:25,360
And you get frustrated,
do you know what I'm saying?
You get frustrated.
410
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,040
The teacher don't notice you
until you get mad.
411
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,160
That's the only time
that they notice you.
412
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,520
So that's how
the mentality of us...
413
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,360
The only way that we
can get our point across
414
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,560
is by putting fear into people
because that's the only time
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00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,120
that they're willing to
listen to us.
416
00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:59,520
[man] The doctrine
of Joint Enterprise
417
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,880
was actually brought in
over 200 years ago
418
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,720
to stop people
encouraging duels.
419
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,000
So, if two people were dueling,
whether it's by
pistols or swords,
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00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,200
their seconds, who are there
to support them,
421
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:14,960
they can be done
for joint enterprise
422
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,440
if someone's killed.
423
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,360
So that doctrine
is not actually law.
424
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,440
It is doctrine
adopted by the courts.
425
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,200
But it has an operational
and tactical implication
426
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:29,200
in terms of the Matrix.
427
00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:31,720
Um, the Matrix wasn't around
when I was in the Met.
428
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,400
I retired three years ago.
429
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,920
But the Matrix is primarily
an enforcement tool
430
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,400
to be more proactive,
431
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,600
to target those who are
committing the crimes.
432
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,360
Unfortunately, when you
cast the net very wide,
433
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,440
you are bringing in people
who are not necessarily
involved in gangs.
434
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,280
[man] For whatever reason they
called their database "Matrix."
435
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,600
The name, however,
seems like a bow
to a technological system.
436
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,040
The London Matrix works like
the Heat List in Chicago.
437
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,920
Identify individuals,
connect them,
438
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,600
detect patterns
and social networks,
439
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:28,000
calculate the statistical
possibilities.
440
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:32,760
Score people, issue warnings,
keep an eye out.
441
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:39,400
Question: is there an algorithm
targeting corporate crime?
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00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,240
[man] They sit there,
they just wait,
they just watch.
443
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,000
They have unmarked
cars on the block.
444
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,080
And they post up on the sides
somewhere they can't be seen,
445
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,320
or they will have officers
on foot in plain clothes
446
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,520
to watch what we're doing,
like walk around the area,
447
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:07,720
see what's going on and that.
448
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,360
They know who you chill around,
they know who you're around,
449
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,080
they know what you do
'cause they're watching,
450
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,280
do you know what I'm saying?
451
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,480
You can't really escape it.
452
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:28,000
I'm doing an anti-gang
project in a local
area here in East London.
453
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:32,880
I have clients who are saying,
"I have never been
involved in a gang."
454
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:37,760
But the real issue is the
subjectivity to get people
455
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,640
on the criminal intelligence
system, the criminal system.
456
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,360
And then how that then goes
into the Matrix,
457
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,040
to then associate people
in certain gangs,
which are questionable.
458
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:52,360
So that the thing is who's
checking the data entry?
459
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,160
Who's checking those officers
who commit those data entries?
460
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:00,960
[man] I don't see myself
as a gang member.
461
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,840
I'm not a gang member.
462
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,920
I'm not a gang member,
do you know what I'm saying?
463
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,520
I'm just a part
of a circle that...
464
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,560
I'm just a part of a tight
circle which always
465
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,720
gets shined a dark light on,
do you know what I mean?
466
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,640
And always will by them.
467
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,520
[man] If you tell them,
"I'm not in a gang,"
468
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,280
they'll ask you,
"What community are you from?"
469
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:32,880
"Oh, I'm from the [inaudible]."
470
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:34,680
"Okay, those are
Body Snatchers over there.
471
00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:37,080
Those are Four Corner Hustlers.
You a Four."
472
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,600
How can you tell me what
I am because of my address,
because of where I stay?
473
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,240
That's probably where
I can only afford to live.
That makes no sense.
474
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,920
I just honestly believe
they got a job to do,
and they want to do it.
475
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,200
If they gotta breed crime,
if they gotta make criminals,
476
00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:52,400
if they gotta sit here and
convince you that you're
a criminal
477
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,120
and provoke you to do it,
they'll do it.
478
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:59,880
Actually, I had a friend
killed a couple months--
couple weeks prior to that.
479
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:04,600
Only part I can say is,
they labeled it a gang murder.
480
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,560
Now, I guess that's how
I got affiliated,
481
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,960
'cause me and a person that was
murdered was so close.
482
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,720
But other than that,
I actually don't know.
483
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,960
But like I said,
I ain't did nothing
that the next kid did.
484
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,280
[woman] They haven't told us
what the algorithm is
485
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,440
that they're using
to identify people.
486
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,080
They haven't told us
what that data is.
487
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,480
And there's no way
to get off the list,
488
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,560
that we're aware of,
once you're on it.
489
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,720
So, that's scary
to a lot of people.
490
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,880
It's frightening to not know
how the list is created,
491
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,360
or to be able to get off
of it on the back end.
492
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,120
And they can say that,
you know, we're using math,
493
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,200
we're using science
as a way to do it.
494
00:48:57,240 --> 00:48:59,440
Math and science
aren't always right.
495
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,200
There's been reporting
on these algorithms
496
00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:07,760
that are used in
sentencing after trials,
497
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:12,360
where people are given
a number to predict
whether or not
498
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,440
they're gonna be more likely
to engage in crime
in the future.
499
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,560
And that
impacts their sentences.
500
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:22,000
There's been recent reporting
showing that those algorithms
501
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,520
aren't accurate, and that they
have a disparate impact
on the basis of race.
502
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,920
So, that's a danger
of these algorithms
503
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,560
and one of the reasons that we
want the police department
504
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,160
to be open about the factors
that they're using,
505
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,240
and the algorithms
that they're using in this case,
506
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,000
because it should be
put to the test.
507
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,960
[man] So, a police department
first uploads their data.
508
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,360
This is actually open data
from Philadelphia.
509
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,440
It's about 800,000 records.
510
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,560
And a very important point
in this software
511
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,440
is telling the system how
important each type of crime
is to prevent.
512
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,120
So, the harm created from
a homicide is equivalent
513
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:34,640
to $8.6 million in comparison
to, let's say, the robbery,
514
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,320
where it's like $67,000.
515
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,960
So, the system needs
to know that so it can know
516
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,280
how to balance the use
of resources, right?
517
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:47,000
Is it more important to prevent
a very frequent low-level crime,
518
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,600
or a very infrequent
high-level crime?
519
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,040
And how to balance those things.
520
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,280
And this is what
basically defines that.
521
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,080
So, that's all in the
administrative interface,
522
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,240
and then the officer
just logs in
523
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,680
and then sees this map of,
in this case,
524
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:06,640
the entire city, and officers
in Philadelphia are assigned
525
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:10,760
to particular patrol
service areas. which are
the black boundaries here.
526
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:15,240
So, they look at the map
and zoom in on the beat
that they're in,
527
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:20,040
and they see the boxes,
and then the color of the box
represents what is the focus.
528
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:25,560
And the tactics is
the recommendation from
the algorithm, the model?
529
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,400
From the software, yes.
530
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,720
Which means that
in some years,
531
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:34,520
the machine learning tools
will learn which kind of tactics
532
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,000
work with which
kind of situation.
533
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:38,480
[man] Exactly, yes, yes.
534
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,960
All data is biased,
but police department data,
535
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,960
incident data, has the
potential to be biased
in a number of different ways.
536
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,880
And we cannot
eliminate that bias,
537
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:02,360
but we can potentially
offset it to some extent
538
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,320
by incorporating other data.
539
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,200
We have a number of different
components to the software.
540
00:52:07,240 --> 00:52:09,640
One is a planning component
541
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,120
that someone can use
at the police station.
542
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:16,960
The second component of the
software is a mobile version
of the software
543
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,960
that can be in a car
or other vehicle,
and the police officer
544
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,280
is able to see
as the car moves around,
545
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:29,000
are they inside one of these
priority mission patrol areas.
546
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,720
It's actually using
the GPS from the tablet
547
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,680
to track our location,
and as we enter boxes
548
00:52:39,720 --> 00:52:42,520
it's going to update the display
with information about them.
549
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,840
So we actually are just driving
through a box right now,
which is about robberies.
550
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,760
And if this was
our final destination,
we would start patrolling
551
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,920
for about ten to 15 minutes
in this area.
552
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,360
It's still relatively
unlikely for any crime
553
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,560
to happen in that
location at that time.
554
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,240
It's just that this is
the highest-risk location
555
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,040
amongst all the choices
that we have available,
556
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,960
and so it's the best place
for the officer
to spend that free time.
557
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,480
While we are positioning an
officer in a particular place,
558
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,480
which means that they're
going to be paying attention
559
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:20,800
to that place, that should
not give them the authority
560
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,160
to assume that anyone
in that place is a criminal
561
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,680
unless they see something that's
actually criminal in nature.
562
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,080
We have generally
been very cautious about
563
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:44,680
incorporating any kind
of person-centric data
into our models.
564
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:47,960
We believe there's a number
of substantial problems
with this,
565
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,520
whether it's privacy concern
566
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,080
or just the accuracy
of the actual modeling.
567
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,320
We're not using surveillance
data in HunchLab,
568
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,200
but I think it's a key question
that our societies
need to be asking,
569
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:10,880
and under what circumstances
is it reasonable
570
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:12,840
to take advantage of
that kind of data?
571
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:34,960
[man] Big data, we the users,
and our privacy.
572
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,240
Well, who could have
imagined years ago
573
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:42,480
that Google can
algorithmically calculate
what I will do tomorrow?
574
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:49,840
Simultaneously,
we activate things
that were silent until now.
575
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,880
Everything that once was
quiet starts communicating
576
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,360
with the world and sending
our data to the internet.
577
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:01,080
My toothbrush, my TV set,
the chip under my skin,
578
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:05,480
my fitness tracker,
the toys of our children.
579
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,960
[man] I was not aware of these
kind of "technologies,"
580
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,800
quote unquote, being
implemented by the police,
et cetera.
581
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,560
It's not particularly
surprising, because the
technological developments
582
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,600
in terms of policing,
be it domestic or globally,
583
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,840
is developing all the time.
584
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:53,800
And it's something that
we're all privy to,
585
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,400
we can all see it
on our TV screens,
586
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,000
especially when it
comes to foreign policy
587
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,960
and conflicts that the
West are conducting abroad.
588
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,640
How do I feel about it?
589
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,840
I'm really concerned,
because I work with
590
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,600
a lot of young people
and young adults and children
591
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:10,520
who are, or have been,
or will be, unfortunately,
592
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,520
in the short term,
most likely be involved
in the criminal justice system,
593
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,440
because they come from
troubled backgrounds,
594
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,640
or they're working class
and they're black people.
595
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,400
So, if you can use some kind
of predictive technology
596
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,160
and software to predict,
597
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,680
according to what these
people do in the future,
598
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,720
it's not gonna predict
anything particularly
positive for them.
599
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,040
But if you want to make money,
software to have algorithms
600
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,520
to give to the police, it's...
601
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,760
it's indicative of how
our society
602
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,520
is progressing away from
human solidarity
603
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:46,040
and a human approach,
to just squeezing people
604
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,360
as hard as you can
in any and every which way.
605
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:16,920
[man 1]
That's one camera over there.
606
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:18,480
[man 2] Yeah.
607
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,320
[man 1] Then there's
one camera over there.
608
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,880
There's one camera over there.
609
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,200
-You see her?
-Yeah.
610
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,160
And then there's another
camera just back there,
you see?
611
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:30,880
-Yeah.
-Over there.
612
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,240
And so three murders in
the last year in the park.
613
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,360
So, what the fuck
are these cameras doing?
614
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,720
Yeah, if they're not
being used to solve murders,
615
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,280
then obviously they've got
some kind of different purpose.
616
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,440
Why are they here?
617
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,760
They hit a tick box,
they say to people,
"Oh, we're doing something."
618
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:46,920
Yeah. And if you look
at these cameras,
619
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,520
they're not the kind of
ordinary CCTV cameras.
620
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,600
-They're sophisticated.
-Definitely.
621
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,920
[man 2] There's some kind of box
attached to it.
622
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,440
When you think about,
three murders happening here
623
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,600
right as kids play...
it's crazy, man.
624
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,600
This is where my son has played
the last 11 years of his life.
625
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:06,920
And that's why more incidents
happen here than in do in,
like, gated parks.
626
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,000
that you can't get in.
627
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:13,080
If you think about
how small this park is
and how many cameras there are,
628
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,120
they've got full coverage of it.
629
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,440
And so, you know, where these
gang murders are happening,
630
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,400
it's weird that they're
not able to prevent them
631
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,560
with all the intelligence
they have.
632
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,760
Stingray, triangulation,
all this kind of stuff,
633
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,400
I'm not surprised
that it's on this scale,
634
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,440
and I think there's actually,
we probably don't know
635
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:35,520
most of the kind of surveillance
abilities they have.
636
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,400
I think it's interesting
that maybe some of the way
637
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,240
that they experiment on gangs
and the black communities
638
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:45,000
is also sort of being
used in political protests
639
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:49,080
and political organization
as a way of sort of pioneering
it and developing it.
640
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,560
I mean, of course,
it's just reflective of the way
641
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,560
in which police mainly
target black males
642
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,720
when it comes to crime and
how they're disproportionately
643
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,080
stopped and searched,
how they're hard-stopped.
644
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,240
[man] I could tell you
about a time where I was
645
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,760
in my auntie's square,
just walking.
646
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,080
I was literally just
going to see my auntie.
647
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,560
I was walking,
and then I heard them.
648
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:32,160
You know the slider doors
on the van?
649
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,080
I heard the slider door open.
650
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,520
I wasn't really paying
attention to what
was behind me,
651
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:38,640
but I heard that open
and I heard footsteps.
652
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,800
As soon as I turned around,
boom, I'm being tackled
to the floor
653
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:46,040
and getting my face kicked
in by four different officers,
654
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:49,680
one female, three males,
do you know what I'm saying?
655
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,320
Obviously, they rushed me,
they jumped me.
656
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:55,480
I couldn't... I'm so excited,
657
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:59,720
So I couldn't even see faces.
I just started swinging.
658
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,800
I punched a couple of them.
659
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,680
At the station,
they said if I admit
to hitting a police officer
660
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:07,120
they're gonna drop
every other charge.
661
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:08,600
And the other charges was,
662
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:10,160
I matched the description
of a robber.
663
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,000
Young... [indistinct]
664
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,120
hooded, blah, blah.
665
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,920
This is Tottenham, breh.
This is Tottenham.
666
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:19,760
What else are you gonna see
667
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,560
besides young [indistinct]
in hoods?
668
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,920
Hoods make us feel comfortable.
This is how we dress.
669
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:26,960
This is just the culture,
do you know what I'm saying?
670
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,880
There's a million
other people... why me?
671
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:39,080
And I resisted arrest.
I resisted arrest,
672
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,040
so they say they're gonna
drop all the other charges
673
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,520
if I admit to
hitting a police officer.
674
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,760
This is what they do.
They're all about setups, man.
675
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:51,000
They were on the
block watching me,
do you know what I'm saying?
676
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,120
They saw me walking down,
they did what they did.
677
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:56,840
And you know what? Police are
the biggest gang in the world,
678
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,320
so they got a cheek.
679
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:13,400
[Logan] We, in London, and
the other parts of this
country, are a police service.
680
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,480
So, you've got to
know what that means.
681
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:20,040
That means accountability
and transparency
682
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:23,400
in all of your
processes and practices.
683
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,240
Now I challenged that
when I was in the Met,
684
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,960
when I was chair of the
Black Police Association.
685
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:33,200
I also gave evidence
to various inquiries
686
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,080
that said the police service
was institutionally racist
687
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:39,120
because of the way in which
they conduct themselves.
688
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:43,120
Now the Matrix, for me,
is another form
of institutional racism.
689
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:48,440
It is racial profiling.
It is unaccountable.
690
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:52,640
And, as far as I'm concerned,
there has to be a way in which
you can get off this system,
691
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:56,640
whether it's the Matrix,
the DNA database, you know.
692
01:02:56,680 --> 01:03:02,000
You've got to have a process
where people believe
693
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:05,720
that the police service
can be held to account.
694
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:22,840
[man] Matrix, strategic
subject list, no-fly list,
695
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,480
selectee list,
terrorist watch list.
696
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,960
Once on the list,
always on the list,
697
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:32,160
because the computer says so.
698
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:36,600
Because, due to the algorithm,
nobody is directly responsible.
699
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:42,280
Because there is no
regulated procedure against
the errors of the machine.
700
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:46,600
Because, let's be honest,
nobody cares about
701
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,760
what consequences the decisions
of a program have
702
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:53,000
for the life of
Robert McDaniel, or Smurf.
703
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:39,680
[Guay] Our main character
actually gets unjustly profiled
704
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,200
by the crime prediction system
in the game,
705
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,480
and very early on the player
wants to wipe that prediction
706
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,120
on his person,
because it's unjust.
707
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:49,560
He doesn't feel it's justified.
708
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:51,280
It thinks it's arbitrary
709
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,280
that some code decided
that he's a criminal
710
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:54,720
because
of this and that reason.
711
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:56,280
So we're kind of
twisting the perspective
712
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:57,880
from the being the vigilante,
713
01:04:57,920 --> 01:04:59,920
now you're potentially
the unjustly profiled
714
01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:01,440
by the algorithm.
715
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:08,960
[sirens]
716
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:12,280
Codes don't have a conscience,
and people who write code,
717
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,960
they don't always
know exactly what's
gonna happen afterwards.
718
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:20,040
There's a part of it
that is beyond the moment
where it's being engineered.
719
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:23,320
And so, since code
doesn't have a conscience,
720
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:26,280
and the programmer
doesn't always realize
all the repercussions
721
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,520
of what he's programming,
and he doesn't know
722
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:31,240
the extent of the data
it's gonna be treating
in the decades afterwards,
723
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:35,240
there is a point where,
who's responsible, really,
for the code's decision?
724
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,000
[Ferguson]
If the Roberts of the world
are walking down the street
725
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:49,760
and police know who's on the
Heat List,
726
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:52,400
they might get stopped easier,
might get searched more often,
727
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:55,600
they might really feel like
they were living in a true
police state.
728
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:57,400
And from the police perspective,
they're like,
729
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,200
"No, we're just targeting
the worst of the worst.
730
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:00,560
This person happens
to be on it."
731
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:02,120
The negative way of
looking at that
732
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:05,080
is probably closer to
the perspective of the young man
733
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,880
whose door is knocked on
by a detective who is there
734
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:11,520
to essentially inform him
that there is
a new surveillance
735
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:14,840
with his name,
and in fact they'll
give him a letter,
736
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:18,160
a custom notification letter
with his name on it,
with his prior record,
737
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:20,800
and with the future consequences
should he mess up.
738
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:25,280
A very directed,
very personal message of,
739
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:27,400
"We are watching you,
we are surveilling you,
740
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,040
"we are giving you a chance
to avoid violence
741
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,320
"or to be caught up
and be arrested.
742
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:34,120
And you need to choose wisely."
743
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,360
[McDaniel] If I was to commit a
crime or a murder right now,
744
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:47,280
they'd parade themselves.
745
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:50,080
Medals, honors.
"Oh, we was right,
look, our test."
746
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:51,840
Like, that's what I think
they're looking for.
747
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:55,120
They got a grant,
they made up a theory,
748
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,360
they started a program,
and now they want results.
749
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:00,720
For whoever gave their
money to fund this,
750
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:04,000
they have to give results,
'cause if you don't give
results, he'll end it.
751
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:08,760
It's wrong.
It's wrong to be profiled.
752
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,080
It is wrong to be saying that
you something that you're not.
753
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:13,440
It's wrong for somebody
to tell you you're a killer.
754
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:16,120
Like... I don't know.
755
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:22,560
[Gorner] The police say,
"Hey, it's just another tool
on our belts,
756
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:26,040
"it's something innovative,
it's something that we figure
757
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:29,080
can revolutionize
law enforcement."
758
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:30,440
But the flip side to that
759
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,320
is just from when I was
doing the story in 2013,
760
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:37,280
is that a lot of the names
on that list are
young African-Americans.
761
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:38,960
So in the African-American
community,
762
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,200
there were some rumblings that,
763
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:44,320
"Oh, well, this list
is just another example
of racial profiling."
764
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,400
[Hill] We don't have
the personal capacity
765
01:09:14,440 --> 01:09:16,200
to keep in touch
with millions of people,
766
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:17,480
thousands of people.
767
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:18,720
Social media does.
768
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:20,160
And it's a double-edged sword
769
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:22,240
of, how do we try
to navigate that?
770
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:26,160
And I think the state and the
police are fully aware of this.
771
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:29,480
I think, ultimately,
they're gonna be
one step ahead.
772
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:32,520
They're gonna know exactly
how to batten down,
773
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,560
or how to limit,
for example,
774
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:37,680
thousands of people
attending a demonstration.
775
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,280
"Oh, let's just
cut off all their invites.
776
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:43,320
"Let's just not let it be
imprinted on social media.
777
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:47,040
"Let's affect the algorithm
to who is sending
what messages,
778
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:48,800
who is posting what," right?
There's no...
779
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:50,800
For us, we use it
with the intention of,
780
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,600
"We don't care."
They're gonna know anyway,
781
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:55,560
so we organize openly.
782
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,200
But, practically, I think
it's a really worrying thing,
783
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:00,880
because we have no way to
monitor what they're doing,
784
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,840
and we have no idea
of the scope in which
785
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:07,040
the powers they have,
and the technology they have
786
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:09,280
in terms of mass surveillance
and databases.
787
01:10:25,480 --> 01:10:30,160
[man] What we started with
was a man found in an alleyway
shot, no witnesses.
788
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:33,640
So that's all the information
we had to start with.
789
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,520
What we were able to do
is find the crime,
790
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,520
go back in time,
see what happened.
791
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:44,240
These three cars right here,
are all involved in this murder.
792
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,360
We do what's known as
"wide area surveillance."
793
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:01,960
So we watch major cities
at a time.
794
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:05,800
We take a very high-resolution
image of a whole city
795
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:10,080
every second, process it to
make it look like Google Earth,
796
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:13,120
and it allows us to go
back in time and see
797
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:16,480
what happened within a city
up to about real time.
798
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:22,880
Well, because we capture
a major part of the city
799
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,200
at enough resolution,
we can look at a location
800
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:27,440
where a crime occurred,
801
01:11:27,480 --> 01:11:29,720
that we didn't know it
was going to occur,
802
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:33,080
see what happened and follow
the vehicles and the people
803
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:34,520
to and from the crime scene.
804
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,240
It is a very powerful tool.
805
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:41,160
This may sound like
science-fiction,
806
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:42,760
but it's pretty
straightforward.
807
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:48,160
So, what we're gonna do is,
I'll just show you here,
808
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:52,760
this is a city, we're flying
at about 13... 12,000 feet.
809
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:56,400
And we're able to zoom in
anywhere within that area.
810
01:11:56,440 --> 01:12:00,680
And what we'll do is
we'll see when a female
police officer leaves her house.
811
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,920
She is right here.
812
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:08,440
This car here is a lookout car
watching her.
813
01:12:08,480 --> 01:12:12,280
And then there's three other
vehicles right up here.
814
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:16,480
So, here she actually
leaves her house right here.
815
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:19,760
And immediately following,
the blue car takes off
816
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:21,760
and tries to catch up to her.
817
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:25,840
She slows down and then rounds
the corner, and then guns it.
818
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:29,960
She gets around this
corner before the blue car
gets around that corner.
819
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:34,880
And then she gets around
this corner, and the blue car
actually gets lost.
820
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:39,240
Unfortunately, these other
three vehicles up here saw her,
821
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:42,760
and they're actually able
to catch up to her.
822
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,600
So, here she is, she's slowed
down by another vehicle.
823
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:48,480
And she gets caught behind this.
824
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:51,760
You get a vehicle that just
backs out in front of her here.
825
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:55,040
We couldn't tell if he was
directly involved or not.
826
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:59,960
But, unfortunately, that gave
these other guys time
to catch up to her.
827
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,440
And they catch up
to her right here.
828
01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:06,760
And she is shot six times
in the head and shoulders.
829
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:10,160
And she's actually gonna
run right into that
parked car there.
830
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:14,560
And that is where she is found
by the police in a few minutes.
831
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:20,480
And then what we do
is we follow those vehicles
as they flee the scene.
832
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:25,200
And here you can see they're
passing people on the right
and on the left.
833
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:30,720
Now we're actually able to
follow two of those vehicles
to final end points.
834
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,320
So within a few minutes
after the murder,
835
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:36,000
we actually have
two locations identified.
836
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:37,800
Then what we do,
is we come in
837
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:40,200
and we'll actually go
into Google Earth
838
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:42,680
to actually
identify the houses,
839
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:44,440
and feed that information
into law enforcement.
840
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:49,680
And we'll actually get
the front door picture
841
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:51,880
of the house that he went into.
842
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:54,840
We'll take that image
and send it forward
to the police officers,
843
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:56,760
so they know which door
to knock on.
844
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:08,360
[man] At some point I have
stopped thinking about
845
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:11,920
who might know and who might
store what about me,
846
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:14,400
why, and since when.
847
01:14:14,440 --> 01:14:18,080
Probably because it doesn't
make a difference anyway.
848
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:21,640
It's like with Hollywood,
computer games, and television.
849
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:25,600
Everything is inextricably
interwoven with reality.
850
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:29,720
Reality being just the
medium of the basic code.
851
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:35,000
Zero, one, like, don't like,
buy, don't buy,
852
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:37,840
guilty, not guilty.
853
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:42,440
Just to remind you,
code has no conscience.
854
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:04,760
You know what was fun?
855
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:10,680
Like I told you,
I lost a best friend.
856
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,400
When I say a best friend,
a brother.
857
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,480
I watched them sweep
his murder under the rug
858
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:20,320
like it didn't mean shit.
859
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:25,800
But it got put through
a $2 million...
860
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,240
test that said I was a killer.
861
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:30,160
[cell phone rings]
862
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:33,480
[groans]
863
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:37,200
My friend was 18
when he got killed.
864
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:42,720
He got a son right now
that I still look after.
865
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:46,160
That little boy actually
think I'm his dad.
866
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,000
And I don't know.
867
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:51,560
It's wrong.
It's just...
868
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:54,080
it's too much.
869
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:37,840
[man] If policing is going
to use software to predict
870
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:39,840
what these people
do in the future,
871
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:43,400
it's assuming that certain
people with a certain history
872
01:17:43,440 --> 01:17:45,080
are going to do certain things.
873
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,520
And that's just not
necessarily the case,
874
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:50,120
because humans can change
according to what support
875
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:53,920
and what personal decisions
they make
according to that support.
876
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:58,160
But, again, it's a metaphor
for that, but it's also...
it's what policing is.
877
01:17:58,200 --> 01:17:59,600
Policing is not preventative.
878
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:03,080
It's not just
in any kind of way.
879
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:07,600
And so it's just there
as a punishing mechanism.
880
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:10,840
As a criminalizing mechanism,
and as a punishing mechanism.
881
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:16,440
[Smurf]
You know what's funny, yeah?
882
01:18:16,480 --> 01:18:18,160
There's a funny thing, man...
883
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:22,760
A little story that's quite
disgusting, actually.
884
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:25,080
Because you see how they're
restricting so many things
885
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:28,640
that we're able to do
and not able to do.
886
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:32,120
Music is one of them.
Music is one of them.
887
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:35,760
'Cause I've got a cousin
who knows people
888
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:41,080
who did a crime
where someone got murdered,
889
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,960
and he made a music video.
890
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,360
And in his lyrics,
891
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:48,600
he was mentioning stuff
about the crime.
892
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:50,800
Even though he didn't
commit the crime,
893
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:54,840
he mentioned something about it.
And do you know what?
894
01:18:54,880 --> 01:19:00,440
He got sent to prison
for six years just for
the lyrics in the video.
895
01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:02,960
And he got banned from rapping.
Do you know what I'm saying?
896
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,960
Because, obviously, music is our
way of expressing ourselves.
897
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:10,920
That's the only way that we know
how to express ourselves
and communicate, really.
898
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:14,360
Do you know what I'm saying?
Just to express yourself.
899
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:18,200
And that's... that's...
I think that's disgusting.
900
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:20,160
They're leaving us
with no other option.
901
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:35,880
I've been told they started off
a couple months ago with
400, but now skip to 1,500.
902
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:38,200
That's a big number.
903
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:40,480
You just made 1,100 more
criminals right there.
904
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:42,440
So, now, who is that good for?
905
01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:44,880
Is it good for the streets
or is it good for the police?
906
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:47,800
You got more criminals
to lock up.
You got more cases to solve.
907
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:50,480
You got-- see what I'm saying?
You got more product.
908
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:52,480
[sirens]
[radio chatter]
909
01:19:56,440 --> 01:20:01,160
You want to build a system,
build a system that helps me
get up out of this.
910
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:04,000
Help me go to school, help me
go off and start a business.
911
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:06,320
That's what I say, like,
even with this pre-crime stuff,
912
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:09,120
I try to just stay focused,
work, stay out of harm's way,
913
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:12,240
stay away from anything
that's negative.
914
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:16,720
And just try to prosper,
try to be better
than I was yesterday.
915
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:18,840
I could have let it
turn me into thug.
916
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:21,240
I could have said things,
just went off
917
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:22,840
and let people's images
change me.
918
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:26,240
But to me, personally,
that's not me.
919
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:28,000
I'm not gonna let you
change me because you got
920
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:30,920
a theory about me, or that's
just your personal view.
921
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:33,640
At the end of the day,
I can always prove you wrong.
922
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:44,960
[Caluris] We're on our third
version right now.
923
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:47,760
The system, we've been in place
now for about three years,
924
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:50,880
so we've done
regression studies to look at
925
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:52,560
the different variables
we put in
926
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:55,720
and be able to test it out
over past data sets
927
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:59,000
to make sure that those factors
that we're weighing
are effective.
928
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:01,200
However, I don't think
we're ever gonna reach
929
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:04,360
a final conclusion with
the program or the initiative,
930
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:08,000
'cause we're continually
looking to re-evaluate it
931
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:10,120
and be able to add
in additional data
932
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:12,360
and additional variables
that could play
933
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:14,760
an additional significant role
towards positive outcomes.
934
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:17,000
[distant police sirens]
935
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:23,760
[Gorner] That's just an example
of the efforts that our city
936
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:26,840
is trying to make
to fight the violence,
937
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:29,040
just trying to come
up with creative ideas
938
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:33,680
in fighting it,
and are there potential
civil rights violations there?
939
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:35,240
Well, there's always
that concern.
940
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:38,880
Um, especially, like I said
with this history,
941
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:44,360
with the deeply rooted
distrust between the police
and minority communities.
942
01:21:55,480 --> 01:21:59,320
See, my story might
not mean shit to nobody,
because it wasn't you.
943
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,800
But what about when
they got your son,
944
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:05,200
when they got your daughter,
your child... when it's you?
945
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:08,400
Now it's a problem.
946
01:22:08,440 --> 01:22:11,800
Now everybody want to make
it seem like okay, let's kill.
947
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:15,160
It don't affect nobody until
it come knocking on your door.
948
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:42,520
[Ferguson] So right now I think
people are willingly
giving up this information.
949
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:44,760
Not just what you're
giving up on the internet,
950
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:47,760
but as we move into a world
of the internet of things.
951
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:50,120
Your smart house will
reveal when you've left
for the day,
952
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:53,440
when you take your shower,
what temperature your bath is.
953
01:22:53,480 --> 01:22:55,400
And your television
can listen to you,
954
01:22:55,440 --> 01:22:57,680
your car will be able to monitor
where you're going
955
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:00,320
if you have like
an OnStar system
that tells you where to go.
956
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:02,560
Your cell phone knows all those
things and what you're doing
957
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:04,400
and the conversations
going on.
958
01:23:04,440 --> 01:23:07,560
Like, we're just giving up
this data to private companies
959
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:10,040
in a way where we're not
really thinking about
the consequences.
960
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:13,480
We're not thinking about
what these data trails mean.
961
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:17,360
And for law enforcement,
you could see just how valuable
that information would be.
962
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:20,040
Why do you have to drink
cold coffee in a hot car
963
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,520
surveilling some guy,
when you could just
use the internet of things
964
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:24,360
to track them
all the way through, right?
965
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:28,240
This is the new world.
And right now,
the policy makers
966
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:31,000
and even the lawyers,
haven't really thought
through the consequences.
967
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:33,240
They haven't figured out
how does the Fourth Amendment
adapt?
968
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:34,920
How do privacy laws adapt?
969
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:38,960
How do laws that we have
about telephone technology
970
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:42,120
apply in a world
where suddenly your watch
971
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:44,240
is talking to the world
and giving them your heartbeat,
972
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:45,760
and the rest of it, right?
973
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:47,600
We just haven't
figured that out yet.
974
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:50,440
And it's important, I think,
to ask these questions now.
975
01:23:50,480 --> 01:23:53,240
I think we're at the
very beginning of a very
big conversation
976
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:55,600
about what we should do
with this new data.
977
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:02,400
[man] Robert still has
a score of 215.
978
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:06,400
Smurf has left Tottenham.
979
01:25:06,440 --> 01:25:10,320
The internet is
ever-learning and evolving.
980
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:14,680
Observes, surveys,
collects, saves.
981
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:19,040
"Above the city,"
as a friend wrote to me,
982
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:21,600
"the sky is the color
of a television
983
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:23,520
tuned to a dead channel."
984
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:29,240
Time to say farewell
and go back home.
985
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:33,400
Back to my smartphone,
my IP address, my emails,
986
01:25:33,440 --> 01:25:37,640
my bookmarks, my Twitter
account, my Facebook timeline.
987
01:25:39,480 --> 01:25:41,560
Welcome to the Matrix.
988
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:46,240
[rock music]
86000
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