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Candace Owens, welcome
to the show.

I'm so excited to do this.

[exhales]

You and me both.

You've done everybody but me.

Well, that doesn't
sound good.

Right? I've been-- I'm just like
being completely left out.

[laughs] Well, dude, I've been
nervous to meet you.

Really?

Fuck yeah, I'm nervous
to meet you.

I feel like I'm--

I don't want to get on
your bad side.

Me?

[laughs]

Me?

Little old me?

Sounds like there's some rumors
out there about me.

I gotta clear up.

I'm so nice.

I'm so friendly, you know?

Well, being our mutual
friend, Dana,

had a lot of conversations.

I was like, "Ah, I
don't know.

I don't know.

I don't want to wind up
on her bad side."

She always spoke fairly
highly of you, so--

It's interesting to think
about that,

like what people think about
you before they meet you,

because obviously,
as you know,

there's always gonna be like
the caricature,

you know what I mean?

So we obviously have to rely
on, I don't know, articles,

what you hear, what's
happening.

And I guess there's always that
moment where you're like,

"I wonder if it meets what I
think I know about her."

It didn't.

It didn't.

Way better.

[laughs]

Obviously.

So, yeah, it was--

Man, I'm glad we had dinner
that night.

Yeah, it was such a
great dinner.

I mean, your wife's amazing
and your story's amazing.

And I was always keen
to do your show.

I was like, "Wow, he's
right here."

We're living in the
same town.

We were almost neighbors.

And you just do great stuff.

Man, I really wish that would
have happened.

Yeah.

The neighbor thing.

I know, almost.

Who knows?

Maybe in the future.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, we got a lot to
cover today.

We do.

Dude.

A lot going on, man.

No kidding.

But let me start you off with
an introduction,

not that you need one, right?

Candace Owens, you're a
political commentator,

author, and independent
journalist

known for challenging mainstream
narratives

and tackling controversial
issues.

Over the past decade,
you've become

one of the most influential
voices in all of media,

building a massive audience
through your commentary

and investigative reporting.

Today, through your independent
platform,

you continue to cover politics,
culture, and current events

while questioning official
narratives

and sparking national debate.

And most importantly, you're
a Catholic.

Most importantly, I am a Catholic,
a mother, a wife.

That's right.

And so before we get into
your life story

and all the other stuff
that we're

going to talk about, a
couple of things

to get through of a Patreon
account.

Do you have a Patreon?

I was on Patreon, and I don't
think I am anymore.

I know all about Patreon.

Right on.

Yeah.

Well, we're on there, and
they're the reason I

get to sit down with
you today.

So they get the opportunity
to

ask every single cast
a question.

So this is from Kim Turner.

Candace, you faced intense public
criticism, particularly

accusations of disloyalty to
the black community

and the Christian community for
holding independent views.

How do you maintain your composure
and stay grounded

in who you are when those
attacks get personal?

You know, I don't know, but I
pay too much attention

to the criticism that's
lobbed at me anymore,

only because it's constant.

And if I spent every day

worried about what other
people were

thinking about me or allowing
them to define who I am,

I wouldn't get out of bed.

And I've got four toddlers
at home,

so I just shut that entire
part of my life off.

And people are very surprised
by that,

but it truly doesn't
impact me.

I know who I am, so I don't
have to go to the internet

to learn about who I am.

You legit, it doesn't bother
you at all.

No, it genuinely doesn't
bother me at all.

I'm definitely, I think,
battle hardened.

I think over time, maybe when
I was just getting started,

I felt, I don't know, maybe a
twinge of that's not fair,

that's not true.

But when you have substance in
your life, real substance,

and you're not swimming in
your own insecurities,

meaning when I first got started,
I wasn't married.

I didn't have my family, I didn't
have kids relying on me.

So life is just so much more like,
substance now, so real.

Wow.

Man, I mean, I'm a lot
better at it

than when I first started with,
man, the shit bothers me.

Really?

Yeah.

And then I see like, the Time
Magazine cover thing

that Trump posted about you.

Oh, gosh.

Tweeting about you.

Yeah, that was a moment.

All of your enemies.

Right.

You have a lot of enemies.

I can't even believe that I forgot
about the Trump thing,

the Trump tweet.

You forgot about it?

Yeah, until you just
mentioned it,

it's not even something that
I even think about.

It was so strange.

It was so strange.

I was in Italy getting confirmed
by a cardinal,

and that I was so excited
about it.

And it was just, it's weird
because it's the President

of the United States.

And it's something that maybe
you would expect to see

if you're in high school and
people are trying to like,

find ways to hurt you.

But, you know, when the President
of the United States

you're fat, you're ugly.

You know, that just
feels weird.

It was just very strange.

Well, it is weird.

It's weird.

Adjectively, I thought it
was very strange.

And I don't have--

Did he forget you started
a war?

Yeah, I know.

Isn't that a little more
important than fucking

generating AI Time Magazine cover
photos about podcasters?

And beyond that, just kind of
basically saying you're ugly

is just there's something so
elementary about it.

I'm just not in high school.

That's not something that I wake
up every day and wonder,

does the President of the

United States think I'm
hot or not?

There's something about it
like that's just like,

okay, he's got a type
and he said,

"Brigitte Macron's hotter
than me.

He's allowed.

It's a free country."

You know?

Yeah.

It was-- that was definitely
a moment where I was going.

This is-- these are some strange
enemies to have.

Did you find humor in it?

Genuinely, at the time,
I was--

there was just so much
going on.

I was in Italy and my phone
started blowing up

and I was so excited
about the

eve of my confirmation that--

and I had just had this wonderful
dinner with my priest

and I had a meeting with the

Cardinal about the
confirmation

that I just turned my phone

off because I didn't
want to even

let in whatever energy
that was as,

"Nope, you're not ruining
my day."

And I was like--

I felt like I was like on the

eve of my wedding
or something

and there was--

there was too much spiritual

goodness that was surrounding
me,

I guess, is the best
way to put it.

We had planned that
trip for a

very long time for
me to go to

Italy and get confirmed and I

just wasn't going to
allow that

to be a memory.

And so I just was like, "I'll

deal with that when
I get back."

And so it's a strange thing to
be in a place where you're

putting the President of the
United States on hold.

Everyone, someone, the guest
was waiting for a response

and I was like--

I don't have time for
this shit.

That was it.

It was, "I don't have
time for this.

I'm really excited."

And this is my wedding day, so
to speak, and that was that.

And then we had a fantastic

time in Italy and then
when I got

home and the podcast was back

on, I was like, "Okay,
now where

is the child?

Time to address the child.

Shame on you.

This is not a good look
for you."

And I don't have that.

I don't wake up every day wondering
if the President

thinks I'm pretty.

That's just not a part
of my life.

Well, as many enemies as you have,
they give you a lot of

attention.

They do.

I think it helps you a lot more
than it hurts you, which is

pretty cool.

I definitely don't think that
a moment like that empowers

Trump.

That's what I would say.

I think it diminishes
him in a way.

You know, you shouldn't relinquish
your power like that

as the President, you know, to
dig up a photo of me when I

was sick and I shared that
photo, by the way.

Are you serious?

Yeah, that photo is real.

I shared it early on in politics
to talk about--

I went through a really
tough time when--

what was it?

2015.

I got sick from mold illness

and I never thought
I was going

to be the same person.

It was a leak, an HVAC leak that
happened in my building

and it destroyed my insides.

I mean, it started what's known
as Candidiosis growth in

my body.

I had-- I mean, overnight, I
felt like my whole life was

taken from me.

I couldn't think.

And if you don't know what toxic
mold illness is, it's

almost impossible
to describe.

But I had head to toe
overnight eczema.

I had never had eczema.

Athletes foot, my eyes were red
and just kept pussing and I

didn't know what it was.

I didn't know what was happening,
why it was happening.

My hair fell out and in the scheme
of everything that was

going on, I-- the worst part of
it, forgetting the physical

and not recognizing yourself

in the mirror because
I mean, I

could share worse photos
and he shared--

I was like, if you want them
all, this is actually--

I looked pretty good relative

to what was going on
head to toe.

But the worst part
was my brain.

The only way to describe it
is you can't think.

You can't-- it's almost like
being in a permanent--

if you ever had like brain

fog, imagine like the
most intense

brain fog you could ever have

and it just physically
exhausted

me.

So I was just in bed all
day, every day.

And the only way to beat back
that sort of mold illness, I

mean, they can give you temporary
pills, whatever, it's

through diet, like the most regimented
diet because sugar

is what feeds it.

And so I-- it took me
a year to--

and I never thought
I was going

to be able to be myself
again.

And that was the hardest part
is not being able to think.

And I have relied--

I didn't realize how much I

had relied on my ability
to reply

and I loved writing.

And so it was--

I just was--

I remember just getting on my hands
and knees and praying--

bargaining really actually with
God, which isn't something

that you should do.

But I was like, I don't even care
about the physical stuff.

I don't care if my hair
never goes back.

I don't care if I have these
patches all over my face

forever, if they never
clear up.

I don't care if I have athletes
foot once a week.

Like, please just let
me think.

Like, please just clear the
cloud in my brain.

And I think about it because
it was right before I

became a public figure.

And I just now have the
perspective

that I was truly humbled.

Like truly humbled before
and never

was going to look the same.

And I never even realized
how much easier--

how much I had relied on being
generally good looking

to kind of get through life.

I didn't want to see anybody.

And I only saw my cousin, my cousin
who still works with me

today, and would not go
out of the house

because I was sleeping mostly
the whole time in any way.

And it was a long process,
a very strict diet.

Obviously, I got so skinny
because you kind of

have to starve it.

Yeah, you kind of have
to starve it.

So anything that has sugar,
even fruit, feeds it.

But in the retrospect, I learned
how to cook everything

from scratch.

I learned how to eat the
best ingredients.

I learned about ingredients.

And I became really passionate
about that.

I mean, that's why I
garden today.

So yeah, I was humbled.

I was humbled right before I
got into the public sphere.

And so I actually look back
on it quite fondly.

And I think it kept me away from
a lot of the vanity that

comes with politics
and publicity.

Because I know it can just like
that be taken away from me.

Man, wow.

So it took you at your
lowest point

and exploited it all over
the internet.

Yeah, and then I shared
it with everybody.

I was like, I've got
worse pictures.

I mean, I was sick.

I don't know.

I guess you can go around and
find people when they have

cancer and lose their hair and
put them on a Time magazine.

I was very sick.

But I'm really proud of it.

It's such a weird thing.

But I shared it myself.

And so I think what happened

was a lot of times with
his team,

they just look for things
on the internet

and they're trying to be
fast and respond.

And they didn't know where the
source of that photo was.

And it was me.

I shared it back when I first
entered into politics

and talked about a tough
time in my life.

And yeah, I'm still just
very proud of it.

And grateful, thank God I
got everything back,

not just my brain.

My hair came back.

My skin cleared.

And yeah, I'm very grateful.

And well, I want to do a
life story on it.

Actually, one more thing.

Everybody gets a gift.

What am I getting?

I feel like everybody
gives a gift,

but I don't have a life
that's cool enough

to match all of these gifts.

I actually love gummy bears.

Are these actually elite?

Yeah.

They are elite gummy bears.

Oh yeah.

Because you can't like put vigilance
elite gummy bears

on here if they're not elite.

They're elite.

Okay.

Rip them open.

I'm gonna have one.

I'll be the judge of that.

All right.

All right, here we go.

I love gummy bears.

Good.

Yeah.

I'm gonna, they smell
really good.

I will say that.

They actually smell
really good.

I love gummy bears.

Of course, not with bread.

What do you think?

I'm not just saying this
because I'm under shot.

They are really good.

Why are they good?

Well, because they're
made in the USA.

That's it.

I'll finish again.

Merk a baby.

That's right.

250 years of elite
gummy bears.

(laughing)

Yeah, yeah.

But all right, Candace.

I want to do a life
story on you

and then towards the end,

we'll get into all the stuff
you've been digging into

for about the past
year or two.

So where'd you grow up?

So I was born in New York
in White Plains.

That's actually where my
mother grew up mostly

and she went to high
school there.

So a lot of my family's
in that area,

Rye White Plains area.

And then I went to school and
had my formative years

in Stamford, Connecticut,

which is just kind of outside
of the city.

It's kind of like if you have
a job in the city

and want to live in
the suburbs,

you move to Greenwich,
Stamford, New Canaan,

Fairfield County area.

Okay.

How many siblings
do you have?

Three.

I have a brother and I
have two sisters.

What's your parents do?

Well, my dad was a plumber
growing up

and my mother worked at a
chiropractic facility,

sort of as the manager

and did a lot of the billing
for them.

Okay.

You guys tight?

Yes.

Tight family?

Yes.

My parents are divorced,

so I mean, I guess you'd have
to ask independently

everybody's relationships.

But my sisters and
my siblings,

we are very close.

You have to have people,

especially in your life
that I live,

who really deeply know you.

And so in the morning time,

every morning I would get up,

when I work out, call
my sisters,

and talk about everything.

My sister, my little sister
right now,

she's saving up some extra
money for her wedding.

And so she's actually helping
me right now,

sort through the tips box.

So we weren't close growing
up though.

I mean, me and my sisters,

each of us, we're a year
and a half apart.

So we just bludgeoned
each other,

over everything, pretty much.

Where you fall in the lineup?

In the middle, can't
you tell?

(laughing)

Can't you tell?

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it's a thing.

It's a real thing.

Shout out to everyone who's
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(logo thuds) What were you
into as a kid?

What'd you like to do?

I was always really into dance,
coordinating dances.

I was very sporty.

I think I took off through
my mom in that way.

My mother played basketball
and cheer led

when she was in high school.

She didn't finish
high school.

My mother's a high school
dropout.

But she got pregnant.

But when she was in high school,
she was very athletic.

And so I kind of took after
my mom in that way.

So I did cheer lead in
high school.

I did track and field.

And we moved into my
grandfather's house

when I was eight years old.

I was just like a granddaddy's
girl.

I was obsessed with
my grandfather

and he just was always doing
stuff in the backyard.

One of those old school guys,

I think of my grandfather as

having car grease on
his hands.

That's what makes it like
my granddad,

car oil on his hands.

His hands were always
blackened

and he always had a cloth
that was wiping them

and somehow always had cash
in his pocket

and would give me and my
sister's cash.

And I was always just kind of
fluffing around in the yard

with my grandpa in the woods
doing stuff.

So my sisters and I were
cutting worms,

climbing trees.

I was definitely, I would
say a tomboy.

I just liked to be outside,

which I think is very new
to this generation

and everything's behind the screen,
but we were active.

We were very active, jump
roping, bike riding.

Granddad taught me how
to ride a bike.

Remember the day it happened.

Yeah, I loved it being
outside.

Why did you move in with your
grandparents at age eight?

Because we were poor.

(laughs) So my-

Did your parents move
in with you?

Yes, and it was, the house was
too small for all of us

to fit into it, but we
made it work.

My grandfather came to the

apartment that we were
living in,

which was in this really sort
of dilapidated building

and it had roaches.

I was not, you're not aware
of those things so much

when you're a kid.

And so we just knew
that every,

maybe it was once a month, I
couldn't even tell you,

maybe it was less or more,

but we'd have to sort of take
all the pots and pans

out of the cabinets because

the extremity would
have to come

in spray because there
was roaches.

And that's not, my mother kept
a very clean apartment

actually, but it doesn't
matter in those sorts

of environments you live like
your neighbors live.

And so my grandfather just
came and said,

I don't want my grandbabies
growing up like this

because he worked really
hard in his life,

starting at a sharecropping farm
and ending where he did.

When my grandfather died,
he went back

and actually purchased the sharecropping
farm in the South.

That's where he retired, but
he was living up north

at that time in Connecticut and
they had a middle-class

house and he just said, I don't
want my grandbabies

to grow up like this.

So we moved into their house
and my sister and I

lived in the attic, kind of he
put carpet down in the attic

and turned it into a room, which
I thought was so cool

because I used to love the
show, Hey Arnold,

and Hey Arnold had like
an attic too.

It's a very, very good show.

And my mother and father were
in the basement.

So we just had to just kind
of all fit in the house.

And it was the best thing I think
that could have happened

for my life.

It's the single greatest
thing

that probably changed my life

is living with my grandparents
and sort of being

under my grandfather's patriarchy,
if you will.

Is he still alive?

No, my granddad passed a
couple of years ago.

It's really hard.

Is he seeing the rise
of Candace?

Yeah, granddad.

There was one of these really
viral moments

where I went to go testify
at Congress

and my granddad was
behind me.

It's a great clip.

When Ted Lew says something,
I don't know what he,

I think he played a clip of
me and tried to apply

what I supported Adolf Hitler
or something.

And you see my granddad in
the back, he's like,

no, she did not say that.

Like, no, she did not
say that.

And I was like, granddad
was gonna get up

and give Ted Lew a beat down.

Nobody talks to his grandbaby

like that, Ted Lew,
calm down.

(both laughing)

And such a, I'm so happy that
that was captured

actually on camera because
shortly after that,

his mind started to
go and his

memory started to go, I mean.

And so it's just one of those
last memories

that I have of my granddad.

He was always behind me, whether
it was teaching me

how to ride a bike and letting
go or like behind me

at, you know, in Congress.

I just, like my grandparents were
just absolutely amazing.

Wow.

What would you say to all my
viewer here today?

I got to say everything I needed
to say to my granddad.

That's good, good for you.

Yeah, because my grandmother
died unexpectedly.

And so I made a very conscious
decision to slow down

and make sure that I got to say
everything to my granddad.

He knows how much
I loved him.

Good for you. Yeah.

So you're with your
grandparents

all the way through
high school?

Until 10th grade.

And then we kind of moved
into a condo,

but I mean, all of my
formative years

are with my grandparents
always being around

and yeah, it was a,

we wake up in the morning,
granddad made breakfast,

you know, my grandmother
would make dinner

and it was, my grandfather
just had a lot of rules

for us to follow because he
grew up in the South

and it was just like very
structured.

And my work ethic comes from

my grandfather without
question.

Right on.

He had a job since he was
five years old,

like laying out tobacco to dry
on a sharecropping farm.

So he just got after the
day every day.

Wow, wow.

How old were you when your
parents got divorced?

23. Oh, 23.

Yeah, they got, I mean,
my mom and my dad

were just one of those
couples that--

23? Yeah, 23.

How long were they married?

Oh gosh, I mean, they got
married in 93.

So they got married after
I was born.

And then they just were like,

there was just a lot of
fighting, you know,

it wasn't one of those good
relationships.

And then when we were all
out of the house,

they called and said that they
were getting a divorce.

And at that point I remember
saying to my dad,

no, no, no, no, now you guys
should stay together.

Now it should be until death
do you part.

Now that we're out
of the house,

you're gonna suffer here.

Remember exactly where
I was walking,

exactly which street I
was walking on

in New York state where
I got the call.

And yeah, it was an
interesting thing

because I got to see
in my house

two totally different examples
of how to live.

My grandparents were very
conservative

and my grandfather met my grandmother
when he was 17

and they stayed married until
her dying day.

And then I had the opposite
example

where the generation beneath
my grandparents,

despite how they had
raised them,

they were just so different.

Like all of my dad's siblings
had been divorced

and it was a new culture.

When my granddad got sick or
started getting sick,

I was helping him fix up his house
and we talked about it.

And I was like, how do people
who are raised

and so conservatively
kind of have,

I guess, more liberal viewpoints
on marriage.

And my granddad said something
and he was right.

It's just the way he delivered
it, which is so funny,

but he just said, it was
those darn hippies.

He just says the hippies
ruined everything.

And there's, it's a
valid point.

I've done some research and I'm
like, granddad was right.

They kind of brought in
this sort of sex,

love, rock and roll, love
who you love.

Everything became so much
more temporal, I guess.

And I am just so my

grandfather's child, like
my viewpoints.

I'm going back where everybody
wants to be progressive.

I'm like, I want to
be regressive.

I want some of that stuff
that granddad had.

What did you want to
be as a child?

What did you want to become,
architecturally?

I was the first thing I wanted
to be an archeologist.

An archeologist?

Yes, I was really into, like,

as soon as I learned
about Egypt,

I had this weird fascination
with Egypt.

And just, I don't know, just,
I remember in third grade,

wanting to be like, oh,
when I grew up,

I want to be an archeologist.

That was my first thing I can
remember wanting to be.

And then you'll probably
say appropriately,

I then was convinced I was
going to be a lawyer.

I wanted to be a lawyer.

(laughing)

I would have made a really
good lawyer.

You still would.

It's never too late.

It'd probably come in
handy for you.

It would.

I actually kind of feel like
I am a lawyer in many ways.

I get sued so much.

And I really enjoy talking
to my lawyer.

He's just become such
a friend.

And understanding it, I love
to read the documents.

I mean, other people
getting sued,

I made a whole series in the
Blake Lively series.

I do have a love for
legal work,

but I don't have to be
sued to love it.

I have to get that straight
in my mind.

You don't have to be sued
to appreciate law.

How many times do you think
you've been sued?

Too many.

In the last few years, it's
been a lot, man.

It's been like, I feel like
The Daily Wire

was like three episodes
that happened,

which felt like a lot.

And then I have obviously
the Brigitte one,

which was a lot.

And then I got pulled into
the Blake Lively one,

which isn't really like
being involved.

They pulled me into some
Kanye one,

not being the person who
was sued, but yeah.

So I just kind of got familiar
with the people

that were serving the
paperwork.

They're great guys, by the
way, the servers.

They're fantastic.

They show up in like motorcycles,
like, we love you.

Like, you know, and we're gonna
charge the other guys more.

They're amazing.

They're absolutely amazing.

And then this Brian
Harpool one,

which I'm being sued because
of your show.

This is my show.

Yeah, you know, I should
sue you.

Brian Harpool's lawyer.

I'm gonna drag you into
my lawsuit.

We have a running, every time
the FedEx truck drives

around here, we're like, oh,
fuck, here it comes.

I don't even open them
anymore.

I just send them to Tim.

So funny.

Yeah, you know, yeah.

Well, when Brian Harpool
sued me,

his lawyer wrote this
amazing story,

which was just made entirely
no sense,

where he said that
the reason,

basically they were trying
to make the argument

he's not a public figure,
which is very important.

You have to establish
in defamation,

are you a public figure or
are you a private person?

And obviously he made himself
a public figure

by going on this podcast and
interjecting himself

into this Charlie narrative.

So they were trying to argue that
he's not a public figure.

And he basically said he was
forced to become

a public figure because
of me.

Is that like, I'm the reason
he went on the,

he had to go on the Sean Ryan
show to clear his name.

And I never covered him
on my show once.

Never spoke his name on my

show before he went
on your show.

Because it was-

So hold on, he's claiming
he came here

because to counter your
narrative,

but you weren't talking
about him.

Never said one word about him
or the security apparatus

because I knew them.

And my mind just wasn't
there at all

until he did your interview.

And it was so disastrous
in my view.

And I think also the view of all
the people who watched it,

according to the comments,

there was just something
off about it.

And I went, whoa, he's answering
questions weird.

The stuff that he's saying doesn't
really make sense.

But that's the argument
they're trying to make

because they're trying to get
the court to see him

as a private figure who only
had to come out

and do the Sean Ryan show.

One of the biggest podcasts
in the world

defend himself against me.

And I'm like, well, that's gonna
be a tricky argument

considering I never spoke about
you ever on my show

until you did the Sean
Ryan show.

So wait a minute, what
is, what exactly?

He's, what?

It's crazy.

What is he suing you for?

Defamation, which is
difficult for me

to comprehend because it's so
in the category of opinion.

Like the first three pages
of a lawsuit,

he's just kind of calling
me an anti-Semite.

And I don't know what
that has to do

with the lawsuit at all.

He's not Jewish, last
I checked.

Neither was Charlie Kirk.

But he then moves on by saying
that I defamed him

because I said that the security
team was incompetent.

And so he's blaming me for
a loss of revenue

to his business because I
said he's incompetent.

Now, I would generally say,
if you have a business

and your job is to provide
security

and your client dies
on the job,

that might be the reason you're
not getting many clients.

I'm not saying I'm a genius,

but I don't think people
will be lining up

to hire the same security
people

that guarded Charlie Kirk
on September 10th.

But he thinks it's actually
because of me

calling him among many
other things,

calling him incompetent,

asking questions about why
they didn't have people

on the rooftop that day,

saying that the support
they supplied

to Charlie's neck was
inadequate.

I mean, just things that you
can see with your own eyes

as they're handing him
to the car,

how's they're holding
him to the car,

him saying on your show that
they didn't provide CPR

because he had to stop
the bleeding.

I have questions about that.

If your heart stops, what's
it matter

if you stop the bleeding?

So I'm going to stand
by my assessment

that he was incompetent.

And then the second chunk
of his lawsuit

is his saying that, I guess,

defamation per se might
be his argument

because I asked about whether
he was at Fort Huachuca

because somebody believes
they saw him

at Fort Huachuca on the 9th,

but he admits in a lawsuit that
I texted him four times,

asking him just to say
yes or no.

So I could just, you know,
very quickly say,

oh, I've reached out to him,
he said it wasn't him.

But his reason for why he
didn't answer me,

despite me trying to just
get an answer

and why he decided to just
instead sue me,

was because, what was his
bizarre legal reason

for why he just didn't answer
any of my questions?

I think he said because, oh,
he didn't want me

to get famous off of him.

I promise you this is
his argument,

is that the reason he
didn't answer--

He didn't want you to get
famous off of him.

That I was just going to
use it for clicks.

So if he had answered
me and said, no,

I wasn't at Fort Huachuca,

then I would have used
it for clicks

and he didn't want me to
use him for clicks.

So that is the thrust
of the lawsuit.

So what does he want?

Does he sue on you for money?

I think, yeah, he wants money

and to be determined
by a jury

because his business has
been affected.

So this shit's actually
going to court.

Oh yeah, which I'm really
okay with

because a lot of the
questions

that we're just trying
to get answered,

we can now force him
to answer them

and bring other people in too
to sit down for deposition.

Do you have a court date?

Not yet, because we
still have to,

I think our, actually don't
quote me on that.

I have to check in with
my lawyers.

We might have like, I think we
have something coming up

or we have to file
our response

like the next coming weeks
or something.

Where will it happen?

Here.

Here in Nashville?

Yeah, yeah, he's got
to sue me here.

This is where I defamed
him apparently.

So I didn't know, did
he tell you?

He was like really felt like
he had to do the show

because of me, it's
very strange.

I didn't get that.

Yeah, it would have
been weird

if I never talked about him.

Hey, can I come on because of Candace
not talking about me?

It's weird, it's totally
wacky.

It feels like a PR move to me
to be honest with you.

You think it'll go
the distance

or you think they'll
just drop suit?

I think they filed it in such
a sloppy manner

that they're hoping the
court drops it.

And then they can say,
well, we tried,

we were telling the truth.

And there was a lot of that
in the court system

where people file for
PR reasons.

I mean, Brigitte is a perfect
example of that

where you're doing something
that you kind of know

you can't win in court, but
it allows you to then say,

well, we really tried.

And obviously we must have
been telling the truth

or we wouldn't have sued.

And that's not the case.

I have not changed my mind
about Brian Harpole

and I was very thorough in
trying to just give him,

give me a response.

Like I would have happily taken
a response from him

and he still hasn't
offered one.

He just sued me.

Yes.

Do they have any other
clients?

I don't know.

He hasn't, since it was just
the initial filing,

we haven't gotten into the details
of who's not booking him

or if someone dropped him,

but that would just to me
seem like common sense,

especially when you say,

I mean, if you watched his
interview with you,

you wouldn't book him.

It's just the presentation.

I mean, I'm just curious
about it.

Yeah.

What did the defamation do?

Is he still working for TPSU?

He's not, my understanding is
he's not still working

for Turning Point USA.

And I did hear through
the grapevine

that they sent him a cease
and desist

after all of the flack
that he got

for his various appearances,

things that he was saying

that was just making
things worse

because he doesn't sound
honest when he speaks.

He's not clear and he's
also dishonest.

I mean, he said, even when I
was watching your show

and that was one of the
reasons we covered it

was because we instantly
learned,

he presented those messages

when you asked him about
the rooftop,

he shows these messages
and then he says,

what am I supposed to
do with that?

The implication being that
this is a conversation

he was having, but it wasn't.

He was showing you Dan Flood's
text messages.

So that was strange
and dishonest.

And yeah, they were also,

the discussion wasn't even
about low C center.

The discussion was about the
walkway above Charlie.

So it seemed like even when
he was on the show,

he was focused on PR,

but he just wasn't very
convincing.

And that's literally
in the lawsuit

that I described him as not
very convincing.

And that's defamatory.

That's defamatory.

And I stand by it.

He wasn't very convincing.

Yeah, I probably should have
pressed him more.

I just, I fucking felt
bad though.

I mean, it was still really fresh
and the guys tear it.

I just, I've been around
a lot of loss.

You don't have my previous
career.

And so I didn't want to, I
wanted to be respectful.

You know what I mean?

But.

Yeah, I think you did the
right thing actually,

because even though the viewers
might feel frustration,

the reality is that if you had
put him under the light,

so to speak, he would
have clammed up.

And we benefited a lot from
him just speaking.

I'm still benefiting from
him just speaking

other parts of that conversation
that are being pulled

and discussed, certainly for
my lawsuit's sake.

It's beneficial that he kept describing
things in detail.

So I think it was good to
sort of let him talk.

What are some of the other
gems that you pulled out

of my interview with
Brian Harp?

(laughs)

I mean, there's, I think
at some point,

I think it was your
interview,

it might've been someone
else's,

where he said that he, when
he got to the hospital

and he's like directing the
staff or whatever,

and he like said that he cut
off Charlie's shirt.

I mean, that's just,
that's fantasy.

That's full fantasy.

That's not how that happens.

Everybody knows that when
you get to the ER

and somebody is on
a stretcher,

some random guy who's bringing
the person in

doesn't start calling the
shots in the hospital.

So there's a lot of questions
about

what took place at
the hospital,

move to have the cameras as
one of the first acts

to get the cameras down inside
of the hospital.

It's very strange.

The varying stories that
they've all told

about what took place, why

they were all then wearing
scrubs.

Frank Turek saying that he was
on the phone the whole time

with and didn't realize
with his--

Who's Frank Turek?

Frank Turek was another
one of the people

that was in the car.

And he, his former military,
he was there

and jumped in the car
with them.

By the way, that's
even weird.

And I don't know why he jumped
in the car with him,

to be honest with you.

And he was at the hospital and
he tells conflicting stories

and says that they did
perform CPR.

It's all just very strange.

It just seems like something,

why are all of your stories
running into each other?

How are those running
into each other?

What did they say?

Some people are saying they
did give them CPR.

Some are saying they didn't.

Brian said they did not
perform CPR

because they were focused on
stopping the bleeding.

Frank said that they did
perform CPR.

Brian said that Frank was just
in the backseat praying.

Frank said that he
got involved,

which is the reason why he
had all the blood on him

or whatever.

So the discrepancy between the
people that are in the car

doesn't really make sense.

I mean, I don't know,
do you give CPR

if somebody's been shot in
the fucking neck?

Well, if you don't keep
someone's heart going,

it doesn't matter, right?

Nothing else matters if your
heart stops pumping.

So yeah, you would give CPR,
I would imagine.

You keep CPR going
at all times.

I'm certainly not a medical
professional,

but I do know if your heart
stops, you're dead.

So you gotta keep the
heart going.

And them not having the
ambulance on standby.

I'm not standing up for them.

I don't know if you
would do CPR.

What would be the point of,

if your heart's not going,
your heart's not going.

And I'm not even saying,
and by the way,

I'm not even saying that
what was right

or what was wrong to do.

You're saying that stories
are inconsistent.

I'm saying that stories are
not consistent.

And that's what has been
so troublesome

for people that are investigating
this.

It's why do you guys all have
different stories?

Why are there so many lies that
have since been unpacked?

And initially they said a
lot in the beginning

and they've since pivoted on
their stories quite a bit.

Why do you think that they
repaved that thing?

How many days afterwards?

Because by Sunday, they had

the person coming out
of Sunday.

So Charlie got shot at 12,
23 on a Wednesday

and they had early morning on
Sunday, pavers come in.

And even before then, they
had the soil removed

by a separate group
of people.

They had the soil removed?

The soil removed first, 10 inches
of soil removed first.

Do they do that at any other
murder scene anywhere?

Absolutely not.

The soil removed?

Why the fuck would they have
the soil removed?

Well, their excuse is we were
putting down pavers.

So it is normal to remove
soil to put down pavers.

But why were you putting
down pavers?

Why were you paving over
the crime scene?

And in that scenario, I think
you normally do

from somebody that is in that
space said that

about eight inches you
would remove

so that you can install
the pavers.

They removed 10 inches
of soil

and they had two separate
people do it.

So they had people working
for the government

that removed the 10 inches
of soil.

And then the next day, the
pavers came in

and put in the pavers.

That's not normal.

You have the same group of
people that do both.

So they wanted, they had the
dirt removed first.

And so we'd have to imagine
that that happened

Saturday at the latest,
right?

And, cause then by Sunday
morning,

the guy who had to put together
a ragtag team

to do the paving, he did an interview
and spoke about it

and said he was told that
the instructions

were coming down from the
governor of Utah

and the cash Mattels office.

Probably a good guy to
put on the stand.

What do you think would have
been in the soil?

I'm, you know, I've taken a long
time to get to a place

where I wanted to put
forth a theory

on what happened that day.

I think there is a lot
of evidence

that they would have found
explosives,

which if I guess the way PETN
is said is like,

what do you guys say?

Petton. Petton.

I'm trying to learn all
the inside terms

and sound like I know what
I'm talking about

on all the military
guys stuff.

But if Petton was the explosive
that was used,

and I think there was
a strong theory

that should be explored,

that a shape charge was
used to kill him

and that what killed
him was on him.

If you look into Petton, it
is pretty resistant.

It stays on soil.

There you can read tons of
articles about it.

It's you just have to
remove the soil.

So you think that they--

I think there was explosives.

I think that explains as I
was unpacking on my show,

a lot of the holes in the story
that didn't make sense.

If you run the theory that
he was killed

with a PE Petton shape
charge,

then they all suddenly start
to make sense

why they wouldn't bring
the bomb dogs over

to where Charlie died.

See, we almost,

I can't remember what this
guy name, his name is,

but my editor, you were just
chatting with him.

He brought it to my
attention.

He was chatting with this guy
right after it happened.

So I guess almost a year ago.

And once I just never
know what,

so many fucking people are trying
to get clicks and shit.

You know what I mean?

That I'm like, I don't
think it adds up.

And you would describe how
it was gonna work

or how it was supposedly
worked.

And yeah, it was shape
charged

inside the microphone, right?

Yeah.

And they had all these videos

that show the blast and
everything,

but I don't know what's
AI and what isn't.

I don't fucking believe
anything.

And unless it's literally right
in front of my face,

then I still don't believe
most of it.

But to have a,

the thing that really got me
was to have a microphone

on a loose shirt when he's
up at a chair,

like moving around.

It just-

Mic on the inside,
by the way.

Mic on the inside?

Yeah, the mic is on the
microphone,

which is totally senseless.

Wait, was it taped
to his chest?

What you see on the outside
is the magnet

that's holding the mic that's
on the inside,

which like any person who
mics you knows,

you don't put the mic
on the inside

because you get the sound

and they were putting it
on the inside.

Like you might do that if
it's a super windy day

or cold day to avoid
the wind.

Interesting, I thought it was
that fucking new DJI mic

that everybody's using.

No, it's a Rode Mic,
a Rode Mic Pro.

So that's just the metal,

that's just the magnetic clasp
that's on the outside.

They put it on the inside.

Which they started doing,

it was a new thing.

It was just a new thing that
they were doing.

And so-

How long have you been
tracking this?

How long had I been tracking-

Microphone thing.

I actually, so I always try
to approach things

with just what do I observe
of my own eyes?

And when I brought myself to
being able to watch

the footage of Charlie dying,

the first thing I thought was
that he was shot from below.

Because I watched his
shirt go out

and I watched the friction
of his body

and I saw that his necklace
broke before he was hit.

I thought that was
so strange.

I was like, somebody
explain to me

why if someone shot
him from above

his necklace would
break first

and whip this way,

because necklace whips
this way

and then he gets hit.

And then he, and I was like,

so I just in my head,

and I was assuming that
it was a gun,

I think someone was
under him.

That's the only thing
I would explain

his shirt doing whatever.

And then I saw John Bray, who
you're referring to.

He was online and he was talking
about this explosive.

And I saw that and I
was in my head

with my limited knowledge on
what he was speaking about.

I went, oh, well, it's not
gonna be explosive.

Because then if it
was a bomb,

Charlie would have been
burned and charred

and I knew that his body was
not burned and charred.

And so I, but I kept
following him.

And what happened was we got
exclusively the car photos.

The car that transported Charlie
to the hospital,

what that car looked like,

which they tried very quickly
to get rid of that car.

They towed it, had it sent
for like to be cleaned

and resold, which is also
an absolute nonsense

that car would have been
put into evidence.

But when I saw the car picks,

first thing I said was, oh,
that's so weird.

Well, why is there black
glass on the floor?

Right away, just like
a ton of black,

what looked to my eye as glass
shards on the floor.

And John Bray messaged me and
he said, on X, he said,

I just watched your episode,

that's exactly what I was looking
for to support my theory.

And then I said, what
do you mean?

He said, I've been saying that
his road mic was rigged,

but in order for my theory
to be true,

the road mic would have
had to explode

into a million pieces and that
would have been on Charlie

and they would have had to get
that off of him in the car.

And so I went, well, I have
the car photos

and there's very clearly.

Now to play devil's advocate,
as I always try to do,

it could have been somebody
sunglasses they stepped on

that broke into a million.

It looks, it's a lot
of glass.

It's in the seat that
Charlie was on.

It's behind, it's, I mean,
hard plastic, 80, 80,

I think it's called
ABS plastic.

And if you watch videos, people
just smashing a road mic,

that's exactly what
it looks like

is littered all over
the floor.

So now we have to say, why did
his necklace break first,

then his road mic break
second?

And we're looking at, now we're
looking at a trajectory,

right, before he gets hit.

And you do see it
move across,

like if you watch the
video again,

without trying to be
an expert,

if you just sometimes look
at a video and say,

what do you see?

Slow it down, what do you
observe happening?

And that is what you observe.

You observe something moving
across his chest

and then suddenly you see
a wound here.

And that was my starting
point.

And so I never bought the
idea that he was on,

somebody shot him from
a lozy rooftop.

That made no sense to me,

that nobody saw him, shoot him,
is even crazier to me.

This is a college campus in
the middle of the day.

Somebody would have seen
him take a shot.

And so then what added
to me thinking

this is now very plausible
was the 30-06 super neck,

super man neck, you know?

Now you're asking us
to be idiots.

Now the demand is for
us to be idiots

and they did it in such an
emotionally manipulative,

despicable way, which has now become
the turning point way,

which is the just say God,
the Lord, the miracle,

and if you don't believe
in it,

then you don't believe in God

and you're not honoring God

if you don't believe in the
miracle of this.

This was the biggest lie
that Erika told me

and completely transformed
my opinion of her.

I think, you know, I sat down
with her for four hours.

I was reticent to explore any
conspiracies about her.

I was slow to do it because
first and foremost,

she's the mother of Charlie's
kids.

That's first and foremost.

Secondly, it required me to
have to go through

a second stage of grief that
I was not ready to do.

I had a very hard time with
Charlie's death, still do,

but to be the person that Charlie
was speaking to so much

about how much he wanted
love to,

when I had to take time off
and just go to Wyoming

and try to get my head
right after it,

I read through all of our
messages, you know?

And so I relived it all and,

because you just, you know, I
was in a phase of denial.

I was really at that phase
where I was hoping

and I went through bargaining,
I went through anger,

I went through a very aggressive
stage of denial,

and I think my husband
was realizing

that I needed to get away
at that point

because I was trying
to say like,

no, maybe he's really alive.

Like, you know, maybe they put
him in witness protection.

Like, that's that bargaining.

And then also the denial
that's just in my face.

And when I got out there, I
was reading the messages,

and before she came
into his life,

and Charlie just really, really,
really wanted love, right?

That was like it.

And he was almost
like poetic,

but he was writing about how
love could kind of

make men move mountains.

And so for me to have
to mourn him

and then have to consider
that the thing

that he wanted most, like
he didn't get,

it just gutted me.

It gutted me.

And so, but I couldn't
deny it anymore.

I couldn't deny it and it was
beyond intuition.

It was beyond her
being weird.

It was beyond her being
at the office.

And then I got the
Zoom calls.

My assumption was that she
was grieving like I was.

And my assumption, I didn't
know she was in the office

the next week.

As soon as she got back,

she just went straight
to the office.

She was in the office
the next week.

As soon as she gave that
speech at the podium

that you saw where she
addressed the nation,

not the I forgive him speech,

but like the first one that

was like 48 hours after
he died,

she was in the office
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Dude, I'll be honest.

When I saw the funeral

Is that where we're
calling it?

Of her like posting Instagram
stories

or whatever it was of her like
rubbing his dead body.

I was like, what the fuck
is this dude?

What is that?

Yep.

And then--

You're using your
dead husband

as a fucking social
media post?

And beyond that, and again,
me ignoring it,

ignoring all of it.

And then it was just actually

on the day that your husband
gets shot,

you didn't have a single one

of your family members
go with you.

That one family member or friend
went with Erica to Utah.

Wow.

She went with the person that's
holding her in the photo

when his body's coming off
the Air Force.

Could you imagine not having
your mom, your brother,

your sister, your cousin, your
best friend, I don't know,

like your A1 since day one
from high school with you

when that goes down.

No, she was every, in every single
one of those videos,

she's with the head fundraiser
of Turning Point USA.

The person holding her,
hugging her, crying,

that's Stacey Sheridan.

She's the chief fundraiser.

Stacey Sheridan is the
one recording her

while she's in the casket.

No one can make that
make sense.

You cannot tell me a
thousand times

that you would not have
a family member,

a cousin, a brother, a somebody
other than just,

oh, Turning Point people.

And mind you, the vice president
is offering to fly over

whoever you want.

So this isn't like, oh, we
couldn't get to Utah.

Like your family will crawl
over glass to get to you.

You go through something
like that.

And she didn't have anybody,
not her aunts, not nobody.

Just Stacey Sheridan
recording

all of those private moments.

And again, those were
the things,

I mean, I think I just assumed
that her family was there.

I assumed, because Charlie's
family was there.

His sister was there, his
mother was there,

his brother was there.

I mean, his mother and father
were there.

She just had mama Stacey,
as I call it,

which is the woman who's all
about raising money.

And when did you guys
get so close?

You don't need anybody else for
emotional support here.

And so you're correct.

That was intentionally
recorded for us

to raise money at the
end of the day.

But the lie that she told
that I couldn't get over

was when she lied about
the 30-yacht-6.

And she-- What did she
lie about that?

What did she say?

So what we thought happens,

and this is, I think I single-handedly
ruined the plan,

so to speak, but what
happened was,

my eyes when I was watching
the event,

as someone who had gone on
tour with Charlie

every single year, since
2018, 2017.

So, 17, 18, 19, 2020,
up until 2024,

which is the first time
they started doing

this double mic thing
on him, right?

The fall of 2024, as I'm going,
why is Terrell there?

It's the first thing
I drew my eye,

it was like, why is the head
of audio visual here?

He doesn't come on campus
events.

This is new.

And then I see that he's
taking the camera down,

and I'm like, that's weird,

and the internet's going
crazy about this.

I'm like, well, Terrell's
been there for 12 years,

long, maybe longer.

I know, I'm just gonna call him
and ask him, what's up?

Like, maybe there's a reason,

and I assumed he was gonna
say something like,

you know, the police
asked me to,

I don't know, you don't wanna
see the footage.

Instead, he was the first person
that made me realize

something was very wrong,

because he was very nervous
on the phone.

I asked him if I could see
the back footage,

just to like, clarify
with people,

like, looking out for
you, Terrell,

I can tell them what's
going on,

and his energy was just
completely wrong.

He came up with a million
excuses

why I couldn't see the
back footage.

He told me he didn't know
how to send a file.

I'm like, Terrell, you run an
audio visual company,

you know how to send a file.

Then he told me, oh yeah, I do
know how to send a file,

but I really didn't,

I'm afraid Google's gonna
hack me if I send it.

And I said, Google's
gonna hack you

if you send me the file of
the back footage.

And I didn't accept that,
obviously.

And then he said, well, I grabbed
the camera for Erica,

so that she wouldn't have to
relive her husband

dying over and over again.

And I said, his death was
live streamed.

Everyone saw Charlie die.

The back footage is not,

it wouldn't be anything,

so I knew something was wrong
with the back footage.

And I kept pressing him
for two days,

and finally he said, well,
I'll FaceTime you

and show you it.

And I hit record on the face.

I just didn't know, just
my instincts.

And someone on my team
was like,

you should record this.

And I recorded it.

And the first thing I thought
that was so strange

was there was no blood.

The bullet didn't go through,
there was no blood.

Charlie's shirt was
crisp, white,

from the moment he went down.

And I went, that's odd.

So I, at that moment,
recorded

it, had it, hung up with him,

told my audience what I saw.

And there was apparently
mass panic,

which I now know how the
full story went.

This was the day of Charlie's
actual funeral,

not the WWE Memorial events,
but the actual funeral,

which was the night before.

And they panicked that I had
seen the footage.

And somebody at the FBI
called Turning Point

and asked explicitly to
Justin Strife

whether or not I had
recorded it.

At that point, Justin Strife,
who is the COO

of Turning Point USA,
messaged my husband,

called my husband, and
wanted to know

whether or not I had
recorded it.

And my husband has no idea
what he's talking about.

He's like, he runs
the business,

he's like, I don't know what
you're talking about.

He then comes out to me
and he's like,

Justin Strife keeps asking if
he recorded this footage,

what was he talking about?

And instantly in my
mind I said,

that's a really weird question,
why does it matter?

Why does it matter if I
recorded the footage?

And I said, don't answer him,
I'll deal with it.

And then what happened, this
is all happening

on the day of Charlie's
actual funeral.

No one should be caring about
back footage, anything.

Why is the FBI calling?

What then happened was
Erica peeled off

from Charlie's actual
funeral, his wife,

and she called the surgeon with
Andrew Colvet on the phone,

a three-way call.

And the story that Andrew
would then write,

because then he tweeted on the
day of Charlie's funeral

and said, people want to know
why there was no blood.

And then the surgeon says
that it was a miracle.

And you remember this
ridiculous tweet,

Charlie ate really healthy
and normally

it would have taken
down a moose,

but he really was the
man of steel.

And this is like a modern day
Christian miracle.

I mean, total slop for
the masses.

And everyone then went,
what the F?

It didn't go through, like
you're confirming

this didn't go through, something's
wrong here, right?

When I asked Erica about this
and I didn't know

about this thing that happened
at the funeral,

I asked her, why did Andrew
send this tweet?

And she said to me,
he went rogue.

I didn't know he sent
the tweet.

(laughs)

I said, Andrew went rogue and she
said, called the surgeon.

I said, the surgeon spoke to

Andrew without your
permission.

And she said, yeah.

I said, so the surgeon to the highest
profile assassination

since JFK violated HIPAA,
went rogue,

spoke to some random PR guy
he doesn't know

who also went rogue.

And then at the conclusion
of his conversation,

Andrew tweeted something
without your permission

and went rogue again.

And she said, yeah.

And then I got the information
that she completely lied.

How'd you figure that out?

A source.

That she was the one who initiated
the phone call

and Andrew was on it and that
the surgeon never said that,

what was put on online.

In fact, that's largely embarrassing
to a surgeon

because you're saying he
violated HIPAA, right?

And he's an idiot, like
he's an idiot.

Like it's a modern
day miracle.

Not only that, but it's not
the surgeon's job.

So what happened was she said
to the surgeon allegedly,

how can we explain to people
that the 30-odd six

didn't go through.

And the surgeon doesn't
know anything

about whether the surgeon
had six.

He is a hunter, he hunts.

And he said, I don't know.

Like, you know, maybe it was
a frangible bullet

or something, I have no idea.

And he's going off of them saying
it was a 30-odd six.

And at that point, Erica
offered an explanation

and she said, well, my baby,
he ate so healthy

and I'm sure it's like he had
a man of steel neck

because he ate so healthy.

So wasn't there a picture
of Robinson

standing at a Dairy Queen right
in front of a poster

that said man of steel?

Which actually was
in theaters.

And so that was like weird,

but Erica is that that quotation
and that explanation

came from Erica as she was
trying to pull an excuse

out of the surgeon, which
somehow got elevated

to the number one priority
on the day

of her husband's actual
funeral.

They were stressed out that
the public had learned

that the bullet didn't
go through.

Why would you be stressed
out about that?

I wouldn't be mourning
my wife

or my significant other.

You know, I wouldn't be.

Trying to work out.

So what do you think
is going on?

I mean, who is Tyler
Robinson?

What the fuck was he
doing there?

Who do you think is
behind this?

Do you think Tyler Robinson
was there?

You don't think he was there?

I think he's a total patsy.

I think they get lookalikes

and they got everybody wearing
the same outfit.

I think he played a role.

And I believe that what he did
was he picked up clothes

and he dumped them behind
the Dairy Queen.

I think he had a role,

but I do not believe that
Tyler Robinson

is the person who was walking
in that staircase.

I do not believe the person
walking in the staircase

was even the person that
we saw running

off of the roof.

I don't even know what
day that person

was running off the roof

because there's only
one eyewitness

to him having been
on the roof

and the person who says that
he saw him crouching low,

the person that shared the video
of the guy on the roof

and was like, "Look up here.

"Somebody just got up there.

"I spoke to that individual."

And he never saw a
shot fired.

Never saw that he saw
a shot fired.

Knows about weapons and finds
it really unusual

that the prosecution hasn't
reached out to him.

So I don't know what
happened.

I just know what didn't
happen.

And I feel confident stating
that Tyler Robinson

did not kill murder
Charlie Kirk,

whether or not he was an
accessory to the crime.

Do I believe he was that Dairy
Queen dropping off clothes?

Yeah.

How did he get mixed
up in that?

I don't know.

Maybe he was blackmailed.

Maybe he got involved in some
weird stuff online.

That's the easiest way for the
feds to blackmail someone.

I think his roommate is a federal
asset, Lance Twiggs.

The person-- Why do you
think that?

Because the police didn't
even question him,

which is bonkers.

Yeah, Lance Twiggs.

I spoke to Lance Twiggs,
his family,

and they think he's involved.

And they don't understand
why the police

just sat him down for a few
hours and let him go.

And they said he's involved
in a lot of bad stuff.

He lived with them for
a little bit,

that he's into weird categories
of pornography as well.

And so they were shocked

that the police just had
never had any interest

in Lance Twiggs.

And he is crucial
to the story

that they're trying to tell
as the roommate.

If you're dating, if they're
in a gay relationship

and you're dating him, you would
have access to his guns.

You would have access to,

you could easily set up somebody
that you're dating.

And that's what my
gut tells me

is Lance Twiggs was a federal
asset, is a federal asset.

Shit.

Who was the guy, wasn't there
a guy that said he did it?

That was also at 9-11
or something?

Oh, I call him decoy boy number
one, George Zinn.

What the fuck is that?

So George Zinn instantly gets
up, says he did it.

His pants fall and people
are recording him

and it creates, I guess, just
a bit of a distraction.

What I have on authority
from the hospital

that he went to after,

he went to the hospital
to get treated

for some mild injuries,

is that he told the nurses that
he was paid to do it,

but he didn't know where the
money was coming from.

And this guy was also in New
York when 9-11 happened?

I don't know if he was
in New York,

but he has some story
about 9-11.

Some weird connection.

Some very weird connection,
yeah.

I don't know exactly what it
is, I can't remember a bit.

No, you're correct.

But that's what he told the
nurses that day,

that he was paid to do that.

But he didn't know who exactly
was paying him

just that he was gonna
be paid for that.

Do you think he was killed

because he was going against
Israel towards that time?

1,000%.

Why him? 1,000%.

Lots.

You go against Israel,
why not you?

Why are you still here?

I think if Andrew Colvet
is to be believed,

he told me it was supposed
to be me,

which was an interesting
thing to say.

Andrew Colvet said
to me a few

days after the assassination,

and at the moment I just took it
as poorly expressed grief,

because I didn't find Andrew
to be suspicious

because I just didn't, my
mind wasn't there,

but he said to me on
the phone,

it was supposed to be
you, verbatim.

Are you serious?

But I thought that was just,
he was crying,

I was crying, I thought he
just said something.

He legitimately said it was
supposed to be you.

It was supposed to be you.

So I have questions about
that now.

Given everything that happened
in the lead up to that,

I think Charlie, I think
Charlie knew something.

I think the biggest question

that has not been answered
in all of this

is what happened at
the Hamptons,

when Bibi Netanyahu called.

I don't know about this.

So it was a couple of weeks
before Charlie died,

well, August 5th and 6th,

he did a summit at Bill
Ackman's house,

or Bill Ackman was kind
of hosting

pro-Israel people.

And Charlie was pressed on
his changing views.

And he was pressed by
Seth Dillon.

Voices were raised.

And he wanted to know
why he's not,

why you can't criticize
Bibi Netanyahu

and that'd be called
anti-Semitic.

There was a smaller dinner
that took place

and Bill Ackman, Erica
was present.

And Bibi Netanyahu called.

Now, what I was told directly
from Andrew Colbett,

which Erica didn't know
that my source

was Andrew Colbett on this,

she was surprised in person
when I told her this,

was that Bibi offered to take
Turning Point USA

to the next level.

And Charlie said no.

In exchange for what?

Also, how does an
organization

that's pulling in 150
million a year,

what is the next level?

It's a lot of money, 100
million a year.

In exchange for what?

Do you think he, in exchange
for him,

pledging to preach free markets
and capitalism?

So at the moment that you
refuse an offer

from an that deranged, that
psychopathic,

that bloodthirsty, you--

That much power.

You know something.

He obviously has an enormous
amount of influence

over the current
administration.

Correct.

I mean, enormous amount
of influence.

It's pretty fucking obvious, I
think everybody's seeing it.

In exchange for what?

I'll take your company to
the next level.

Cool, in exchange for what?

I think it's a trillion
dollar question.

And Erica, when I asked
her about that,

and she admitted the Bibi
Netanyahu call happened,

that she was there
and she said,

"Oh, he was just calling because
Charlie had written him

a letter in May."

And it's just so stupid.

So stupid.

Oh, he's not busy, he just
was calling to say,

"Hey, toodles, like, just
wanted to know

how you're doing, I saw your
letter, thanks for it."

And he was just, I said,
"That's it."

Okay, so I'm supposed to believe
Andrew lied about that.

That he offered to take it
to the next level,

and she was coming to say,
"No, that didn't happen."

He just wanted to just check
in with Charlie.

That's not true, she's lying.

And I know she's lying
because then somebody

in Andrew Colbat's family
orbit reached out to me

and said that that definitively
happened

because Andrew said that when
Charlie said no,

he lost millions.

Andrew Colbat lost millions
when Charlie said no.

Now you wonder, how does a
PR guy lose millions?

He's a spokesperson for
Turning Point USA,

and then I had to remind myself
that he owns a piece

of the Charlie Kirk
show, right?

So I don't know if it
was going to be

via the Charlie Kirk show,
which was at that moment

with Salem.

Salem has recently filed, you
know, under FARA,

they're working with that
Faith by Works

and the whole thing in Salem
is a part of that filing.

So they are effectively
foreign agents.

I don't know how that money
was going to come in.

That's another question, that

if we had any real
journalists,

they would be exploring that.

But yeah, Bibi Netanyahu
calling,

and Charlie not just
refusing it,

but he had anger towards
Bibi, he did.

And how do you know?

Because Bibi Netanyahu that
month did a ton of shows,

very strange by the way,

that a prime minister
of Israel

suddenly hitting the
orbit doing PR.

He did a ton of shows.

I mean, Patrick Bet David's show,
Brandon Tatum's show,

and he hadn't before that done
any sort of podcasting

since he was like hawking
his book, you know,

like years ago.

He didn't do Charlie
Kirk's show

because Charlie didn't want
to have him on.

Again, something told to me as
a fact by Andrew Colbat.

Charlie refused to have Bibi
Netanyahu on a show.

So if you want to know how
Charlie was feeling

about Israel and Bibi Netanyahu,
there's your answer.

How people couldn't see the
Israel threat in this

doesn't make any sense to me.

I can't believe he said it
was supposed to be you.

He did.

Does that scare you?

I mean.

You seem fearless.

We're all here for a blip.

And I think it's not about
not having any fears.

It's about what scares
me more, right?

What scares me more is

considering the world that
our children will inherit

if we stay quiet.

Because we feel it right now.

We feel the squeeze.

We feel the evil.

We feel the cloud,
it's there.

And you have a bunch
of people who,

whether it's for money
or for fear,

are allowing it to happen.

And there are so many
historical lessons

about what can happen
to a country

when good men do nothing.

And so what scares me is
thinking about

what's going to be like
in America

when my children are my age.

Because I was too scared
to say something

when Charlie Kirk was publicly
assassinated

and the most powerful people
in the country

colluded to lie about it.

If Charlie Kirk was not safe

in the United States
of America,

nobody is.

Nobody is.

Do you feel this is your
responsibility?

To figure out what happened

and to keep the investigation
going?

(sighs)

I don't know if it's like my,

I don't know if responsibility
would be the word

that I would use.

I just,

I just know that it's a part
of my journey.

I know that it's not
a coincidence

that Charlie kept telling me
he was gonna die young.

That he had really, really deep
visions about his death

in 2018, very specific visions
about the fact

that he was gonna die young

and that he knew that I would
be the one to fight.

There are things that we
don't understand.

We're not meant to understand
them, right?

But there is something
that is moving me

that feels bigger than me.

I know it matters.

And when I read back those
conversations,

and think about how
I was like,

"You need to get some sleep.

"You're probably just tired."

"No, you're not that
high young."

You know, my death is gonna be
tied to Turning Point USA.

From the moment I signed on
the dotted line, he said,

he said he has the dream, he
had the dreams repeatedly.

What were their dreams?

That he was gonna die young,

that he was gonna die in
a very tragic way.

And that his death would
be tied to

like saving the world,

waking up the world about
something.

And at the time, I just,
I didn't,

I mean, what do you say
with that, right?

It'd be weird if I was like, "Okay,
sure, give me a plan.

"What would you like me to do
when you die young?"

Like, what was I gonna say?

When I read it back,
it's haunting.

It haunts me.

And it haunts me because
now in the way

that he was dreaming in 2018,

I have had the most vivid
dream since he's died.

And I don't discount them.

I know there is just something
spiritually pulling me

and guiding me in ways I don't
really understand.

And so I just give into that.

It's like he went out and something
awakened in me.

I mean, when you're talking
about evil prevails

when good men do nothing,

do you think that, I think about
this all the time too.

It's one of my favorite
quotes.

I feel it's, part of me feels
like it's a responsibility

to do what I do just like
you do, I think.

And, but how much impact do you
think you can really make?

You know, I try not to stop
and measure my impact.

I know that every day
when I wake up

and when I decide what
I wanna cover,

I am doing it out of a unique
passion, a care.

And something is motivating
me that's real.

And I think people respond
to that.

And it's made a difference.

Charlie is trending
every day.

He's trending every day.

And that's not what
they wanted.

They wanted everyone to stop
talking about him.

The moment Erica and Trump hugged
on stage at the memorial.

And she said, I forgive him.

That was supposed to
be the end.

That was so weird too.

It was weird.

Everything was weird.

Everything has been strange.

Most of all, his wife.

And watching this almost
subhuman answer

that they are trying to
provide, which is,

well, we have money.

We have power.

So just get in line.

Like that's gonna be the cure
here for all the skepticism

is just to apply more money,
more influencers.

More attacks on the people
who are looking into it.

I mean, turning point USA
attacking Joe Kent.

It's just for trying
to investigate

whether there could have been
any foreign ties.

Think about how bizarre
that is.

Well, I know.

And what's more bizarre is that
they don't recognize it

as bizarre when they do it.

What's wrong with these
people?

The social IQ there is something
that disturbs me.

Their inability to understand
that what they're doing

is going to register
to the public

as remarkably suspicious.

Case in point, did no
one tell you

that you shouldn't be on a Zoom
call laughing about emoji

six days after your husband
got killed?

Does someone have to
tell you that?

What has been rinsed
out of you

that you don't recognize that
there's something

deeply wrong with that?

To get onto a Zoom call 11

days after he's been
assassinated

and say we're moving on with
turning point 2.0.

My husband is dead, not to be
morbid, but he's dead.

That's acceptance.

Do you think that she had
something to do with it?

She was complicit or, I mean,

we were talking about
this earlier.

I came here from Boca
Raton for it.

It's the shallowest fucking
place on the planet.

You see, 19-year-old girls
with 76-year-old men

every single day playing
tonsil hockey and more.

You know, that's just what
that place is.

Do you think that maybe she,
when they met,

she just saw a paycheck and
she's a narcissist

and had no feelings, no love,
no nothing for him.

Just wanted to marry
into a guy

who's making $150 million
a year.

Even if everything you just
said was true,

she was motivated by money
to marry him,

shouldn't actually love him.

Let's even add that she hated
him secretly, right?

When someone dies like that,

you still have a human
reaction.

So who would you say is his arch
nemesis, Nick Fuentes?

Okay.

He delivered a more impassioned
response

to what happened to Charlie
than Charlie's wife did.

Even your worst enemy.

That's what I'm saying, forget,
remove all that.

Even if it's your worst
enemy in life,

when someone dies like that,
it stirs you.

Because you're like, okay,

I didn't really like
this guy.

But like, man, anyone
die like that.

That's not how I wanted to,
you know, debate him.

I was having fun hating him,
whatever it is.

That we couldn't get that
from his wife.

And when I go back, because
I think I did suffer,

my sister said to me, you
know, right away,

she came down and I
couldn't eat.

And she said to me, can't
you recognize that?

To watch somebody that you
know die like that,

it's like a brain trauma.

Like my brain was
like trying,

and I'm sure you understand
this,

because military guys
deal with death,

I think a lot more
than we do.

Like traumatic death
like this.

But it's like a brain trauma.

It's the only way you
can describe it.

And so I was not even paying
attention to certain things

that I now see with very
clear eyes,

like her speech, like you
said, that the memorial.

Erica actually doesn't really
tell you anything

about Charlie in that speech.

It's a speech that's laying
in the groundwork

for turning point 2.0.

She tells you, every time she
speaks about Charlie,

she actually tells you about
how great she is,

how much he loved her, how
he wrote her notes,

how he wanted her to take
over turning point USA.

And she didn't write
the speech.

I learned that because they
fired a bunch of people.

She didn't write the speech.

Erica doesn't write her
own speeches.

The idea of not writing
the eulogy,

and that's why we don't learn
anything about him,

that we couldn't find
on Wikipedia,

there was no--

Substance. There's
no substance.

Who was Charlie outside of
turning point USA?

You can't find out in
that speech.

All Charlie wanted was turning
point USA 2.0.

Turning point, turning point.

He cared about the students.

He cared about looking after
men like Tyler Robinson.

I forgive him.

This is what turning point's
all about,

turning point, turning point.

How many times they say
turning point?

I mean, even at her
podium speech,

and I felt weird about
it the first time

when she, the 48 hours after
where she said,

you wanna help, here's
what you can do.

Go to turningpointusa.com.

I don't know where
an ad read.

The first time she addresses
the nation,

go to turningpointusa.com.

Holy shit. Holy shit.

I can't even stomach the idea

of being able to say something
like that,

but her whole idea was that
this is what he wanted.

He wanted your money to go
to turning point USA.

And then you can contrast
it with

Vanessa's speech, Vanessa
Bryant's speech.

And you see what a grieving
widow looks like.

And you listen to the
story she told.

I rewatched her speech,

and I couldn't get
through it,

because I loved Kobe Bryant,

and I loved Kobe on
the court.

He was amazing at
what he did.

But how weird if she had
given a speech

of he dribbled every
single day,

and what he loved was
the Lakers.

And if you wanna support
the Lakers

and support my, she said,

we didn't even know Kobe.

The time you get through
her speech,

you realize you didn't
know Kobe.

I loved Kobe, who he was
in the court.

This is her husband, and
she knew Kobe.

And she shared that with us

in her eulogy of Vanessa
Bryant.

Like who he was as a father,

who he was at home.

And you realize there's no humanity
in Erica's speech.

She doesn't want you to
think of Charlie

as anything other than a vehicle
for turning point USA.

And he was so much more
than that.

He was so much more
than that.

And I think that's why
in retrospect,

people watched my show,

and people like Teal
Loren said,

why do I feel like
she tweeted?

Why do I feel like
Candace Owens

is the only one that actually
cared about him?

I didn't even realize that
when I was just saying,

sharing all of those little

moments that I had
with Charlie,

that that was unique.

And that nobody was getting
that from anybody

who worked with him.

They were just trying
to encourage you

to donate turning point USA.

This is what he would have
wanted you to do.

Holy shit.

He wasn't like, yes, yes.

He loved building and he
loved politics

and all those things.

But the actual Charlie was,
he was just so funny.

Like, I mean, it's like the fact
that they didn't tell you

who Charlie was and how he
was really good at voices

and like he could mimic
anybody's voice.

And he was just, he just had
the best sense of humor.

He really did.

And everything was just
left on the table.

They didn't care.

It was all about building what
Erica was gonna step into.

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Tell me if I'm doing
this, Rok,

because I don't watch any
of this shit.

Little flick like
that, right?

Seems pretty cool.

It is pretty cool.

Gotta silence it.

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In another lifetime, I did
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Proprietary magazines, supposedly
the best engineering

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When that breaks, you're

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and now we're bringing
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It does look pretty

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cool.

I gotta admit that.

All right, Candace, let's
get back to you.

So 2007, looks like you got threats
in your senior year.

Yeah.

What was that about?

I wrote about it in
my first book.

It was one of these moments
that I think

made me understand the media

and how the media functions sort
of their ability to lie

or sort of to create
a narrative.

And in retrospect,
what happened

could have just been
understood

in like a very high
school way.

I had a best friend who was,

he was a guy friend of mine.

And I think he's gay,
by the way.

I think he ended up being
gay in life,

but he and I hung out
all the time

until I got my first
boyfriend.

And that was it.

I was totally the typical
standard,

ditch all your friends,

spend nonstop time with
your boyfriend.

And he was really angry and
bitter about that.

Not because he liked
me or anything,

but just, it was just, I
guess, a disruption.

And so one night, I guess, he
rounds up a couple of guys

who I had never met
in my life,

which is why it was scary
when it happened,

because I was thinking,

I don't know who would leave
me these messages.

And he left, they left
the boys.

And I mean, the youngest was
like 12 years old,

I think having his
first beer.

And they left like horrifically
racist messages.

Like, there's no question.

We're gonna put a bullet in
the back of your head,

like Rosa Parks.

I mean, it was a lot.

And when it happened, I was
like, what on earth?

Like who's calling me?

I didn't think it was him.

Because the voices
warrant his,

he had different people
in the car.

But one of the people ended
up being the mayor

and then eventual governor
of Connecticut's son,

which turned it into a
political thing.

And suddenly now, everyone
wanted to cover this.

I hadn't even reported
it myself.

I actually was just talking
about it

in a philosophy class
in high school.

And my teacher at the time,

who's now the principal
of the school,

the high school, he's great,
loved him.

He was like, this is absolutely
unacceptable.

You're going in right now,
I'm reporting this.

And so he went right into the
principal's office

and reported it.

And then it felt like
everything was taken

out of, completely out
of my control.

And it was like front page
fodder because it was,

look what the mayor's son
was involved in.

I had never met the kid
in my entire life.

And the racism theme and the
NAACP is showing up

on the steps of my
high school.

They had never spoken to me,

but the NAACP has got
an NAACP.

So that kind of shaped my ideas
about them as well.

Because no one cared about how
we felt at that point.

No one cared about
really what

probably should have happened

is he probably should have
been forced to apologize.

And they probably, rather than
smearing him as a racist,

I mean, was he a racist?

No, we were best friends.

That's kind of the point.

Did he do something and say
something racist?

Yes.

You will be surprised how,

when you're trying to
hurt someone,

how easily available it is
to use a racist term,

even when you're mad.

I mean, there's comedic
skits about that.

Everyone turns into a racist

as soon as someone cuts
them off in a car.

The Spanish guy, the Spanish
guy just cut me off.

You know what I mean?

Suddenly we're all racist
when we're angry.

There's some truth to it.

You know, you catch yourself,
you're sexist too,

woman driver, like female,

oh, he's a Chinese man
behind the wheel.

And so it was the micro of
that pretty much.

And more traumatizing than
the messages

was then having my life completely
ripped from me

and becoming like this micro
celebrity victim, right?

And nobody cared.

And everyone's life got ruined
in a different way.

The kids I know ended up getting
into a lot of trouble.

I think the kid that was
my best friend,

he, I ended up leaving
school for a bit

homeschooling just because
I wanted,

while the FBI was investigating
the authenticity

of the message as if it was,

I'm sure that was being
pressed by the--

Oh, the FBI got involved?

Yeah, they did.

And I think it was just
because of the element

of the politician who was
trying to pretend

his son didn't do it as if what
I called myself casually

and left these messages.

I don't know why all of that
was even necessary.

They should have just
confessed,

but I think they tried to
get away with it

in like a weird, stupid way.

And the kids ended up
getting arrested

and it was definitely not,

it just wasn't dealt with
in the right way.

And it became this really
big thing

that ruined a lot of lives.

And I think for a kid to be
branded as a racist

for doing something one night
is really heavy.

It's really heavy.

Especially when it's just fundamentally
not true, right?

Like I said, he wouldn't have
been my best friend

if he was a racist.

And he, I will maintain that
he was not a racist.

He did something really
stupid

that a lot of really racist
stuff when he was drunk.

People make mistakes.

It's hard, especially now in
today's environment

to allow kids to make
mistakes.

Everything is so recorded.

I mean, you see what they do
if they find one tweet

that someone sent that
said the N word

when they were 11 years old.

And I remember sitting
with my cousin,

my younger cousin one time
and he plays,

what's the game?

Not Grand Theft Auto, but
it's one that's like it

where there's like a lot
of guys love it.

It's Call of Duty,
Call of Duty.

And he literally was
12 years old.

And he's in the chat.

Have you ever seen this
Call of Duty chat?

I'm sure you have maybe.

And it's unbelievable.

It's just like this whole,

and he's in there saying
whatever

and saying, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah,
ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah,

and throwing a bomb.

And he's like a 12
year old kid.

And I'm just sitting here
going, okay,

this is just 12 year olds just
trying everything out,

saying what they can.

And I'm like, you're gonna
push boundaries.

I mean, it's a part of
coming of ages,

like you push boundaries.

And Louis CK did a really
good skit

talking about what the phones
are taking away from people.

And it's this natural stage

where people wanna try
out being mean.

And if you say something
to someone's face

and you see how they react,

and then you realize you don't
really feel good being mean,

doesn't actually feel
good to be mean,

it allows you to kind of edit
yourself as a human being.

And things are really easy

when you add technology
as a layer.

It's easy to tweet something
stupid.

It's easy to say something vicious
in the comment section.

And we're now dealing with
a generation of kids

who are growing up terminally
online.

Whereas when I was growing up,
my dad had a beeper, right?

And so I don't have to think
about the record

where I'm sure I experimented
with being mean

in middle school.

And social media has added
another dynamic to it.

So I kind of reflected
on that

and again, don't regret any
of the lessons from it.

But I really do think that it's
just seeing the obsession

to politicize and the NAACP
and the Democratic mayor

looking to try to cover
this up,

it kind of gave me an early
introduction

to what politics is, which is
not really about solutions.

You saw it right through all
that shit at 17 years old.

Wow.

Well, I lived it and it
didn't help me.

And so also even just the
politics of victimhood,

this is a victim.

Like who wants to
be a victim?

A lot of people.

Yeah.

Well, because money is made

and that is kind of the
NAACP's grift in that

is find me a black victim
and I'll show up

and be in front of the
cameras screaming

about how racism still
exists.

And by the way, people are always
gonna say racist words

and sexist words.

And I am just not a big
believer in that.

I'm not a believer at
all in the idea

that this is stopping
me from getting

from point A to point B.

It's not really my business.

If somebody doesn't like
black people,

personally, I think everyone's
just gotten too nosy.

You're allowed to, when
people ask me why,

I don't find the inflammatory language
to be such a threat.

And it's just dumb.

I find a lot of it to
be really dumb.

And if you're somebody who
thinks I don't want

to ever date a black girl
or a Spanish girl

or a white girl, have at it.

A man that doesn't really
impact my life.

And so a lot of the hyper
focus on that

is because it keeps people
constantly divided

and mourning and forming an
opinion about stuff

that doesn't actually empower
any of us.

And the people that are intentionally
constantly

stoking the flames
of that are

people at the top, of course.

Does the NAACP actually
do anything

for the black community? No.

Nothing.

They just find another victim
and raise money.

Of course, if your entire
bottom line

racism existing, you don't
ever want to go out.

Duh, common sense.

It's sort of like, you even
saw this with GLAAD.

You give another example.

Their whole grift was
all about,

gay marriage, gay marriage,
gay marriage.

And then they got gay
marriage.

And they were like, oh.

(both laughing)

Got any more letters in
that LGB bag?

And they're like, actually,
here's a T, a Q, an R.

Let us invent some.
Yeah, exactly.

So these people are not actually
looking to solve problems.

They're looking to constantly
have a problem

that needs to be solved so

that they can fundraise
off of it.

They create problems.

(laughs) I mean, I feel
like racial,

derogatory racial terms.

I mean, I just,

it seems like they've completely
lost the weight.

Yeah. Because they've
overused it.

Everything in every--
Possible regard.

Yeah.

And you just also need to,

we just need people
to be tougher.

You'll be fine if somebody
calls you the N-word.

You'll be fine if somebody
calls you a racial slur.

We just need to kind of build
tougher people

than to think that they're
all coming apart

because they've been called
the name.

I want my kids to be tougher
than that.

Why do you think they,

do you think it's for
the money,

the donations, whatever
it is,

like the NAACP, or do you think
it's bigger than that?

Do you think, I mean--

It can get bigger than that.

The divide and conquer.

Absolutely, BLM was
that example.

I mean, when they get going,

they can cause people
to be at

each other's throats warring.

They will cause a civil war

before they get people looking
at the corruption

of what they're doing.

And that's been tailored
all this time.

Who do you think they is?

They's a lot of different
people.

Well, it depends on what
we're talking about.

There's totally different
categories

of topics that I cover
on the show.

I think the biggest issue that
we have right now in America

without question is Israel.

Israel.

And the satanic people who support
what they're doing.

The blood thirst, the control,
they behave like a mafia.

And I'm talking specifically
about Zionists.

And sometimes people
will say,

"Well, when you say Zionists,
you mean Jews."

I want to be very clear,

the Judeo-Christians can be
some of the most toxic,

gang-like people who are part
of the same apparatus.

So you actually can't
isolate it.

But I have found, which has
been the experience,

I think of a lot of people, especially
over the last year,

this is a gang, this
is a mafia.

This is not normal.

What they did, the pressure
they put Charlie under,

what they did to me,

what they're currently doing
to Megyn Kelly.

I mean, Megyn Kelly,
I think is

probably the greatest
example.

What did Megyn Kelly do?

Megyn Kelly was like,
"I'm a Zionist."

And they were like, "We
don't care.

You say something about Tucker
Carlson right now,

or we will destroy you."

And you. That's a mafia.

And you. Yeah.

And me.

That's a mafia.

That is, you are with us or
you are against us.

And I faced that obviously in
my own life and saw that.

And I called it out for
what it is.

And we, it's by the way, we're
late to the party.

Michael Jackson was trying
to say what it was.

Kanye West was trying to
say what it was.

We lived through this mafia.

And finally, we have people
understanding.

What did Michael Jackson say?

Michael Jackson had a list of
the six Jewish people

who he said were messing
with his life.

Rabbi Shmueli was
on the list.

I can't think of the other
people that were on it.

And that they called him
anti-Semite.

They called him an
anti-Semite

because he was talking about
control in Hollywood

and people that he was
fighting for control.

Who's Rabbi Shmueli?

Oh, God, he's just a crazy,
crazy deranged human.

Am I supposed to know him?

Well, he had a lot to do with
the Michael Jackson stuff

because he called himself
Michael Jackson's rabbi.

And really kind of is
just a person

that is constantly threatening
people out in the open

and is somehow allowed
to do it

because of what his father did
for the State of Israel.

And often you will find that
thread of the people

who are the most deranged and
the most psychopathic

and it somehow seemed to be allowed
to function in society.

You just have to figure out
who their parents were,

who their uncles were,

and they've done something
for the State of Israel.

So they're like in the Zionist
mafia, as I'd describe it.

It is a mafia.

There's no question
in my life.

It's in my mind that
it is a gang.

What was Kanye saying?

Well, Kanye, he notoriously
tweeted

that he was gonna go Def Con
3 on some Jewish people

that had been toying
with his life.

And nobody cared when he dropped
the actual text messages

from his trainer, Harley
Pasternik,

saying that he would put him
back in the hospital

and he'd never be able to
see his kids again.

He dropped the messages.

We talk about a gangster
threat.

Like here's how it's
gonna go.

Harley Pasternik is
a trainer.

And Kanye was basically,

before I was awake to this
possibility,

I was very much around him when
this was all going down,

he tweeted this and when Adidas
pulled his contract,

he was at my house and all the
stuff that was going on.

And he was basically,

I just thought he was,

I had no idea what he was
talking about.

I was like very green to this
concept of someone saying

that their life was
a Truman Show.

And he was like, basically like,
are you a real person?

Like even to me, are you
a real person?

Like, and I'm like,
are you good?

Like, what do you mean?

Like, you think I'm a character
in a show that's,

are you real?

He was going through this.

And at its core is,

he felt like someone was
directing his life

and that the people had been
controlling him

and were, he was gonna stand
up to these people.

But Harley Pasternik was
his trainer.

I've covered this on my show.

He's got a very checkered
past.

A lot of his clients have died
in suspicious circumstances.

And he also was like former
Canadian CIA,

like psychology or something.

And then like decided to
go be a gym trainer

in LA or Hollywood.

And these are handlers.

Handlers are real.

This is a part of the onion
of the Zionist mafia,

in my view, is the handlers
who are supposed to see

if they can bring you back to
the side of reason.

Can't you see the error
of your ways?

And even when you're
completely right,

their job is to gaslight you

into thinking that
you're wrong.

And I've had my experience,

I believe that I had handlers
and didn't recognize it.

But Kanye, when he kind of
really woke up to that,

Harley Pasternik, he shared
the message

that Harley Pasternik, his
trainer, gym trainer,

wrote to him and he said,

here's how it's gonna go.

Maybe he said, you're
gonna say sorry

or something, something.

And then the message reads,

or I'll take you back
to Cedar Sinai

because Harley Pasternik
is the one

that got Kanye put on
a Site 5150 hole

when they drugged him.

And he said, and we'll
take you back to,

I think he described it
as la-la land.

And he said, and play dates
with your kids

will never be the same.

We'll drug you out of
your minds.

Holy shit. It's in writing.

And then we just let it go.

And said Kanye was crazy.

I said, no, Harley Pasternik's
crazy.

Who the hell is this man?

It's not how a gym trainer
talks.

Who is this guy?

Holy shit.

And so when stars, Hollywood
stars

have been screaming and
trying to tell you

that something is wrong and
that they suddenly

wake up to the fact that
they're in a prison,

the first thing that happens
is another layer

of the onion comes out and
calls them crazy.

That's how that works.

They say this person's having
an emotional breakdown.

They diagnose the people.

And the reason for that is
because it was a,

that strategy of modern
psychology

was developed by Sigmund
Freud,

who was a Satanist,
full stop.

He was into Jewish mysticism.

He was into the occult, a
Sebastian Frankism.

And he began gaslighting kids who
actually were being raped

by their parents in Vienna.

That is the true story
of Sigmund Freud.

There's a book on it by the man
who controlled his archives

called The Assault on Truth.

This is a book written
by a Jewish man.

There's no antisemitism
in this book.

And he worked under Anna Freud
and was due to become

the next director of a Sigmund
Freud archives.

So he was a fan of
psychology.

He believed in Sigmund
Freud's theory,

which was that kids are attracted
to their parents, wacky.

And then he learned to
speak German

so that he could read Sigmund
Freud's notes

and his letters that the
public has never seen.

And he realized that Sigmund
Freud was a complete fraud.

And he rang the alarm on it
and said he knew,

he literally saw and knew
that these kids

were being abused, that these
kids were being raped.

In some cases in Vienna, they
were being raped

and murdered in such satanic,
vicious,

occult ceremonies that
they died.

And he would then go
to the morgue.

He observed their injuries.

He knew it was real.

And he lied because he was

protecting his pedophile
friends.

And so they developed,

Sigmund Freud's contribution
to society is gaslighting.

He created gaslighting.

So you can draw a direct line
from Sigmund Freud

to Hollywood, to modern
propaganda.

His nephew is Edward Bernays,
the World War II propaganda,

all of that, that's Edward
Bernays,

to PR, PR that we have today,

that the Freud family
is still

the biggest PR family
in the world.

They do PR for the royal family,
I mean, Matthew Freud.

And this is where we're at,

is gaslighting is another
onion piece of a layer.

So when you realize someone's
wronged you

and you say, this is wrong,

they then send people to try
to make you think

that you're the crazy person.

And I dealt with that firsthand,
firsthand.

Saw how the mafia moves,

trying to convince me that I
had done something wrong.

When I tweeted, genocide
is always wrong.

The messages were insane
that I received.

I had to read my tweet like a
thousand times and go,

did I say something in here?

Like genocide is always
wrong.

You said genocide is wrong
and then--

Genocide is always wrong.

Holy shit.

Who do you think your
handlers were?

How close to you were they?

They were all, I mean, it
was very apparent,

but it was all around me.

It was, I think probably the
most skilled handler

and was Marissa.

I didn't realize until
that moment

that she messaged
me and said,

I wanna help you, you don't
wanna go down this route.

If you go down this route,
I can't protect you.

And I stood up for myself and
the messages and I said,

Marissa, go down what route?

Like, what am I doing here
that's wrong?

I'm a grown adult woman.

I know what I'm saying.

I believe genocide is
always wrong.

I mean, this would all be
a text message,

so I still have it.

Who's Marissa?

Marissa is the CEO of Prager
University, PragerU.

And then of course, the
Daily Wire,

who were trying to
convince me

that I owed Ben an apology

for saying genocide is
always wrong.

I mean, watching that psychological
element

of them trying to convince me

that I had done something
wrong was insane.

And Dave Rubin was
messaging me.

It was just full on everyone
trying to explain to me,

like, let me help you.

It's always the approach of
like, I'm your friend

and I'm trying to help you realize
the error of your ways.

And it's just full blown
gaslighting.

And I stood firm on it and
was like, no, I'm,

I know what I wrote.

And I meant every word of it.

Genocide is always wrong.

Still stand by that.

Yeah, you gotta be careful.

How do you hire?

Well-- That's like the most,

I get so fucking paranoid
when I have to hire.

I hate, I mean, everybody
hates hiring.

I really fucking hate hiring.

Yeah.

Because I don't trust
anybody.

Yeah, I trust my gut.

How do you find your people?

Well, I've benefited
from the fact

that I've had the same
people on my team

for over five years now.

So when I got fired from
a Daily Wire,

my team came with me
and I said,

"Hey, I'm gonna hire you."
And my team came with me,

which was a tremendous mode
of confidence at the time

because we didn't know, we
didn't have anything.

We were just sort of like,

"Look, we can't give you
any benefits.

We don't know if this is
gonna work, obviously."

And the Daily Wire at that
time was paying

a lot of money, they
had benefits,

they had security.

And my editor came over, my
producer came over,

technical director.

And so it was a tremendous
mode of confidence

that they came over with me.

So I know that they
believe in me

and they believe in what
I'm doing.

So I'm lucky that we don't
have a high turnover rate

and I haven't had to
be trusting.

And I'm just very grateful,
I think,

for to have that.

And we're tight, we have a
good time, we have fun.

I believe in SEAL Team Six.

I like to keep the team small
and effective.

I don't care about
appearances

and having 90 people
working for me

and I can dress myself,
why all this is.

So it's a small team.

And when we do have to hire,
I go with my gut.

We recently hired a new director
and he's been fantastic.

And the reason why he was
great is he just totally

sits outside of the entire
wheelhouse of politics.

So he was just a burst
of fresh air

and loves to research.

It's just a great positive
attitude

and you have to wanna be
around the people too.

You spend a lot of time,

you're fighting a lot of
battles with them.

And so you wanna keep
them motivated

and have a good time and
be able to laugh

and enjoy each other, have
the same values in life.

I think everybody on my team

is in a really good
place in life,

fulfilled by their relationships,
by their marriages.

So it just, it feels good.

Good for you. Yeah, we're
in a good spot.

Good for you.

All right, let's go back
a couple of years.

Where'd you go to college,
Dr. Harris?

Went to the University
of Rhode Island.

That incident in high
school happened

when it was in my
senior year.

So it kind of threw my entire
senior year into chaos

and I'm lucky I even applied
to college.

I almost didn't even apply
because it was so crazy.

And the URI was like
close enough.

I just applied to URI, got
in, went there.

What'd you wanna study?

English and journalism.

I have a double major in
English and journalism.

So I think it's quite
fitting.

Yeah.

Where do we go from there?

Where do I, where did
I go from there?

So actually the story is I
finished my degree later

because Sallie Mae had
a huge collapse

and didn't give me my loan for
my senior year of college.

I have senior year issues,
I've realized.

So you've got some senior
year issues.

And so I had to figure
it out.

Sallie Mae basically
was like,

you have one year before we start
knocking on your door

and demanding your first
born child.

They had 100K in student
loan debt.

They weren't gonna pay for
it last year, crazy.

I could wax poetic about the
industry of student loans.

It's so predatory.

Finding poor people and getting
them to pledge,

it's just good to be in debt for
the rest of their lives.

But I then moved to
New York City.

I had no plan.

I picked up a job nannying.

And it was like while
I was nannying,

if I could just start
applying for jobs,

because these loans were
starting to haunt me,

I needed to make some money
and get out of debt.

And so I was like, if I get my
foot in the door anywhere,

I can sell myself.

I can learn anything.

I'm a really hard worker.

And my second interview at a
private equity firm,

I saw that they pay their
assistance really well,

these private equity guys.

And so my second interview at
a private equity firm,

I got hired to be a second
assistant

and hired on the spot, which
was fantastic.

And then I stayed with that
company for four years.

And when I left, I was like
the vice president

of the administration.

Wow.

They were fantastic to me.

I was treated really well.

And I got to travel the world

because it was one
of those jobs

where I had to do everything,
everything.

I mean, his wife--

Did you just say you went
from second assistant

to VP of the entire company
in four years?

VP of the administration, it
was a small company.

So I don't wanna make it,

it wasn't like there was like
a thousand employees.

It was like a almost like a
family style trade desk,

a true private equity
structure.

I mean, maybe 18 employees,
which was nice.

It's actually is part of the
reason why I liked the idea

of a small team, because
I saw it work.

And they were killers.

We worked really hard.

And I got to meet a lot of
really cool people.

They invested also in movies

and there was a lot of
traveling involved.

So I got to see the world on
somebody else's dime,

which was great too.

Because he also, when he had
crises happening

in his personal life, he
really trusted me

to just learn anything and
figure it out.

Whether it was building a
house in Montauk,

whether it was, I mean,
I ended up

with Snoop Dogg in Croatia,
you know what I mean?

Like there were so many
crazy adventures

and no two days were
the same.

So I had a fantastic time
while I was there.

And I was there to pay off
my student loans.

And so every time bonus
season came around,

I would just ask him to
pay another chunk.

Hey, can you pay another chunk,
pay another chunk?

And he did.

I was working for the
principal there.

And so they also even
put me through,

I went down to learn Spanish.

I moved to Costa Rica before,
was it a eight week program?

And you live with a family that
doesn't speak any English

because he had a wife that
was Spanish speaking.

And so she hired a lot
of Spanish staff.

And I was like, well, I gotta
learn the language.

I can't manage the staff if I
don't know the language.

And so because they traveled,
you know,

everyone goes to Montauk or the
Hamptons for the summer.

I was like, I just, I
found a program.

Can you pay for me to
go down there?

I'll learn Spanish.

And so I did that.

You learn, so you speak
Spanish.

Yeah, well, I'm now really,
really rusty, but I did.

I was fluent in Spanish and I

can understand Spanish
though.

And so, yeah, I mean, I
really lived a lot

in those four and a half
years that I was there.

Saw a lot of the world and just,
I always wanted to grow.

I always wanted, I like
learning.

I like learning.

I like focusing anything that
I put my mind to.

I feel like I can learn.

And that was kind of my introduction
to, I mean,

there's no place, if you can
make it in New York,

you can make it anywhere,
that's the expression.

And I live by that.

I really do believe that,

because it's such a
tough city.

What were you doing at Vogue?

So that's when I was interning
initially.

I was interning and I did the
whole magazine circuit.

So I did Seventeen magazine,
I did Glamour magazine,

and I did Vogue, which
was the big one

that everyone wants
to get into.

And it was, of course, as somebody
who loved to write,

I majored in English
and journalism.

That was my glamorous idea,

was that I was gonna go move
to New York City

and I don't know, be Carrie Bradshaw
from Sex and the City.

I don't know what
my idea was.

It was in retrospect, a
little bit cartoonish.

And then when I got there, I
just culturally was like,

yeah, I don't even wanna
do this.

This is not where I
wanna work.

The girls were so vicious,
so hungry.

But I learned a lot.

They would have fond
memories of me.

I brushed my butt off and
that was why I graduated

up to the magazines and was the
head of the intern closet,

so to speak, at Vogue and
made great friends.

So I've been a lot of
places, really,

when I think about it.

I see that.

New York was tough,
it was fun,

it was a lot of lessons
learned.

And they even, the private equity
firm even let me take,

because I wanted to learn a

little bit about private
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I became a notary, because
anytime they were like,

we need this, I was like, how
many times am I gonna get

notary in here, why don't I
just become a notary?

That's the kind of
person I am.

Like, so I just took the test
and became a notary

and then did this NYU accounting
course as well,

because I wanted to understand
a little bit more

about the finance side of
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because I was interested
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They were really all so different
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You were a liberal grown-up.

Yeah, I mean, liberal in
the youth sense,

I think it's weird when
my husband says

he was always conservative.

I'm like, what's wrong
with you?

He's the rare person who was
always conservative,

and I was liberal in the way that
you don't know anything,

and it just kind of sounds
better even.

Are you a liberal or
conservative?

I'm a liberal, I'm a liberal,
what do you mean?

And I think any time--

What do you mean?

Yeah, what do you mean?

Before you have bills,

life is so, it's so easy
to be idealistic

when you don't have
to pay bills

and you don't really comprehend
the issues,

then you lean into the
emotional issues

and live and let live.

You love these stupid bumper sticker
expressions you see.

It all's so nice, it fits
your AIM profile.

Let me find a quotation to put
on my going away message

on AIM, like the youth, you're
liberal when you're young.

There's that expression,

who says the expression that
if you're not a liberal

when you're young, you don't
have a heart.

If you're not a conservative
when you die,

you don't have a brain.

(laughing)

Then you suddenly you're
paying taxes

and you're like, hey, where's
this money going?

Why am I working so hard?

And then your philosophy changes
a bit as you get older,

but I never was politically
inclined,

so I never voted Democrat.

I was just, I would have very
much described myself

as a liberal and if you had
asked me any topic,

I would have been, I
would have been

across the Democratic
party line

if I was actually voting,
but I wasn't.

What switched you?

You know, I had this curious
set of circumstances

that brought me to like something
that was known

as the gamer gate conspiracy.

What is that?

Honestly, I still couldn't
tell you,

to be honest with you, because
I'm not a gamer,

as I just said, but I was
like Alice in Wonderland

and was trying to, I put
up a Kickstarter

to put together a company.

I had this idea after I paid down
all of my student loans

and I had a little savings account
that I wanted to start

and it was maybe all heart,
no brain,

a company that would
get kids into,

to be able to like get in
trouble on the internet

without having these consequences
like being arrested.

And so my bright idea was
that I was gonna create

this company called
Social Autopsy

and if they got in trouble
online,

they wouldn't like get into
legal trouble

and rather than that, it would
sort of help them,

like I don't maybe get suspended
or something.

Like it was like my way of trying
to right the wrongs,

maybe misguided from what
happened in high school,

totally misguided and I
was very green.

And I put it up on
Kickstarter

and I got this weird call from
this girl called Zoe Quinn.

Gamers who are watching this will
know exactly who this is,

they'll be like, yes,
the gamer,

that's how I knew you
or whatever.

And it was really weird because
she was telling me

she was a victim and that I couldn't
make this company.

She misunderstood what we were
even thinking about doing.

She thought we were gonna
build a technology

like a Silicon Valley
technology

to unmask trolls on
the internet,

which was not at all what
we were doing.

We had no capability
to do this.

We had a splash page, that's
why we were on Kickstarter.

I had no connections to be
able to do that.

But her call, she was saying
she was a victim,

but it was very obvious she
was threatening me.

And I didn't know anything about
this girl or "Gamergate."

And long story short, after I
hang out the phone call

with her, I start getting hit

with a bunch of threats
online.

It was very obvious to
me that this girl

was directing threats, just
my gut instinct

that something was wrong
with this girl.

And I landed myself into the
middle of a huge,

gamergate-like war

that was being covered extensively
by Breitbart.

I'm really just always in the

wrong place at the
wrong time.

And so suddenly the next
thing I know,

Washington Post is
calling me.

I'm not known at this time.

They're calling me and
they're asking,

and I'm thinking these
are my friends.

Like I went to school,
Washington Post,

that is the top of the
line journalism.

I learned this in school.

Like what, I'm so flattered
to be able

to give this interview.

And I spoke to this girl, Caitlin
Dewey was her name.

I'll never forget that.

And she was so nice on the
phone and I said to her,

"Yeah," and I explained to
her what happened.

I'm like, "I really don't
think that girl's

"Obi Quinn is telling the
truth because, you know,

"she was a victim and said
that she was harassed on

"by gamers and so she kind of
built a whole 501(c)(3)

"platform based off of that."

And I guess the gamergate
conspiracy was that

she was actually leading
an army of trolls.

And that was just my experience
with her in four seconds.

You know, I had no idea like
what was going on

or what the back show
was just like,

"That girl is led trolls
against me

"and that girl wasn't
a victim."

And boy, was that a
big statement.

Anyway, the Washington Post,
after they interviewed me,

Caitlin Dewey, also New York
Magazine, I believe it was,

or the New Yorker, Jesse
Signal, or Single,

was his name, Signal, they
lied and like smeared me.

After I thought these guys
were my friends

and like I told them
the truth

and they were like protecting
this girl, Zoe Quinn,

it was so weird.

And this was the entire thrust
of the gamergate conspiracy

was that this girl was being
artificially protected,

that she was actually leading
an army of trolls

and pretending that we needed
to do something about men

and gamers on the internet.

This is kind of like
the preamble

to the Hillary Clinton
campaign,

which became very much like
we kind of got into this

anti-mash-glinity, men
are toxic.

It was kind of the preamble
to that.

And I think she had
a real fear

that if I had created
this technology,

which could unmask trolls,

that it was gonna expose that
she, everything,

the gamer conspiracy theorists
were saying was true.

That was my read on
the situation.

And so she was being protected
and I never really,

I mean, I'm just not a gamer,
I just didn't know,

the only people that actually
gave me a fair shake

in the media who I spoke
to was Breitbart,

which was crazy because I
thought they were like

the white supremacist,
my Connecticut,

Democratic surroundings, blue
liberal-ish mind.

I was really reticent to
speak to them.

And then they wrote the truth
about what I had said.

So I was kind of like, what
the heck is going on?

Why is up, down and down up?

And at this time, at the same
time, Trump was running.

And so I was kind of questioning
my allegiance

to leftist media,
so to speak,

because of how I was treated.

And I didn't really
comprehend

when I just told them the truth
about this random chick.

And Trump, they were saying
was like a racist,

white supremacist, all
of this stuff.

And I was willing to at least
listen to the other side

because I now did not trust
the Washington Post.

So I decided to just listen
to like a Trump speech

without having it filtered
for me by CNN or MSNBC.

And I heard his like pitch
to black America

and he was in Dimmondale,
Michigan at the time.

And he said, black America,

and he sort of listed
all of the ways

in which black Americans
are struggling,

like the statistics, just
the raw statistics.

And he said, why don't you
just take a chance on me?

What do you have to lose?

Just do something different.

You vote Democrat every
four years.

And I was like, fair elevator
pitch, I like it, whatever.

Still not gonna get my vote,
but like, whatever.

And then I pivoted to my trusted
sources over at CNN

and like Don Lemon was
like crying over.

And it was like, he looked
black America in the face

and he said, you are poor,
you are pathetic,

you can't do this.

And I was like, that didn't
happen at all.

That's not what he said.

He gave a kind of reasonable
pitch.

You've been doing the
same thing,

why don't you try something
different?

And so that began
a huge, man,

could I have had this
thing wrong?

Like are Republicans not all
racist and backwards?

Like, is there something
I'm missing here?

And me just sort of being the
naturally curious person

that I am who wants
to learn more,

I kind of privately began
that pursuit

and it led me to Thomas Sowell
and his work and his books

and it changed my life.

I really love Thomas Sowell.

I feel like he's like
my private tutor

who I've never met.

(laughs)

Right on.

Do you still consider yourself
to be a conservative?

I'm always gonna be a
conservative.

I actually realized I always
was a conservative.

I was raised with my
grandfather.

He was conservative.

A Republican, different.

I guess there is a difference
now, huh?

And I guess there always
has been

because like I was liberal,
but I wasn't a Democrat.

I didn't vote Democrat or I
thought I was liberal,

but actually I was raised
conservatively

and my values were always
conservative

and I am a conservative.

I think it works.

I think family works and
that's the most,

what are we conserving at
the end of the day

is the question and to me it's
traditional families.

I think that's our best guard
against the government.

I think so too.

Honestly, I think that's
almost the only,

might be the only thing that
we can really,

I don't know.

You had said something
earlier about,

we were talking about
do you feel like

it's your responsibility
to do what you do

and then you'd said you
really trust your gut

when you're hiring people.

I don't know, man.

I trust my gut, but maybe I
don't fucking trust my gut

because the lead up to this

last election was just
all lies.

Something happened to
Trump, right?

But something happened
to all of them.

Yeah, well.

Every single one of them.

Who, who else?

Joe Kent.

I wasn't, I mean, what did you
expect from Marco Rubio?

Absolutely nothing, exactly
what we see.

Exactly.

I, the person that I think I
placed stock in was Trump

and we got played.

I mean, there's no other
way to say it.

We got, it's kind of shocking

the ways that he lied.

And so you have to
then go, why?

This is nothing like
Trump 1.0.

Trump 2.0 is totally
different.

And the obvious answer
is I think that

Trump desperately, by any
means necessary,

wanted to win again.

Felt the election like many
people do feel

was a storm for him in 2020.

COVID changing the
way we vote.

I totally agree with that,
by the way.

And his entire life's mission
then transformed into

I will do anything
to win again,

including making a deal
with the devil

and selling my soul.

That's what you think
happened.

And he took 300 million from
Miriam Adelson,

something that he once mocked
Marco Rubio from doing.

He tweeted once about Sheldon
Adelson owning Marco Rubio.

And you don't take
300 million

from people who run
the Vegas.

A very generous woman.

You don't take 300 million
from people who run Vegas

and tell them no about
anything.

That's how it works.

You could talk about that
in the micro level.

You know this stuff growing
up, basic survival skills,

like when people, you don't
borrow money from people

unless you know who they are.

And that can apply to gangs.

It's time to pay up.

And so Trump is not
his own man.

Plain and simple.

Trump is not running this
administration.

It wasn't a gift.

It wasn't, hey, I really love
what you're doing.

Here's $300 million.

It came with contingencies,
demands,

one of it being that they wanted
to annex the West Bank,

which was something that was
told to me by Charlie

and Andrew Colvette who were
present for that meeting

between Miriam Adelson
and Donald Trump

that she said that, I'll
cut you this check.

But when we want to annex
the West Bank,

that's what they wanted
in exchange.

So now I think he probably has
a little bit of regret

taking the money.

You think so?

I think so.

I don't think he likes not
being his own man.

I think that's what a lot of
the lashing out is about.

I think Trump at his core
wants to be liked.

And I think he knows he's
not liked right now.

You think he'll ever
be liked again?

No.

Me neither.

How much wealth has
he amassed

since he took this
presidency?

The better question is how
much more do they need?

How much more does the Trump
family need?

I mean, Ivanka swimming
to Albania.

How much more money do
you guys need?

When is enough enough?

Never.

Yeah, and that's why
you feel like

they fully have given
themselves in

because none of them were
like that before.

You don't think so?

No, I think I spent a lot of
time with Don Jr.,

Don Trump Jr., and he was
a real person.

And he was certainly a very
close friend of Charlie's.

He shocked me the most after
the assassination

because I knew Don.

And I challenged right away,
I challenged him.

I said, "If Don Jr.,
who hunts,

that's the guy, he knows
the wilderness.

If Don Jr. comes out
and says,

he believes that Charlie's next
after the 36th bullet,

I'll back off."

I don't think Don Jr.
has even spoken

about Charlie's assassination
since.

I think a lot of people are
gonna go to hell

for an eternity.

I know a lot of people are
gonna go to hell

for an eternity, but
the level of,

talk about the mourning
process of realizing

that Charlie gave so much
of his life

to put those people
into power,

contending with that level
of betrayal,

transformed me.

Yeah.

So to answer your question,

no, I don't consider myself
to be Republican.

Yes, I do consider myself to
be a conservative.

Yeah, I'm the same.

I don't even know what the
fuck this means.

I don't even know if I'll
ever vote again.

That's how I feel.
Probably not.

I just, going through this
and uncovering everything

that we've uncovered,
nothing's changed.

I don't know about you,
but for me,

it's a fuck ton of stress.

Being associated with
these people,

now they have my number,
they can reach me.

I fucking hate that shit.

And then what was it all for?

This shit that we see?

Do you think this needed
to happen?

What needed to happen?

This veil to be lifted.

Yeah, I have to believe that.

I have to believe it.

I am at my core an eternal
optimist

and I don't wanna give
in to despair.

And I have to believe that
Charlie was right,

that his death was going
to happen,

because it would be tied to
a global awakening.

And I've seen that, I've seen
the seeds of that.

I've seen the sprouts
of that.

I see the incredible audience

that I have amassed around
the world.

I mean, going to Russia
recently

and realizing how big the "Becoming
Brigitte" series was,

I had no idea.

There is true evil
being exposed

and it was easy for evil to
control the world

when we were dumb and stupid

and thought it was impossible,
right?

Some of these conspiracies.

I mean, the fact that we are
having real discussions

about Freemasonry, about
the occult,

about true demons, about what
demonic possession is

that you can sit here across
from Father Ripperger.

And I read the comments

and that was a transformative
episode, by the way.

But to see all the comments
of like,

"I need to go to church now,"

this episode made me want to
go to church, not--

This guy's crazy, what's
he on?

"The Exorcist" is just a movie,
just a Hollywood movie.

That's uplifting.

I think that's uplifting.

And it had to happen there.

I think we as a society needed
shock treatment.

And Charlie's death was shocking
in so many ways.

Not just the death, the administration's
reaction to it,

his wife, there were so
many shock points.

It shocked the senses
in so many ways.

It made us consider things that
were so beyond the realm

of what we, I think, could have
ever thought feasible.

I think his assassination had
to be live streamed.

And people who are evil--
What do you mean,

but why do you say that?

Some ritualistic thing or--

Yeah, so for two people who orchestrated
assassination,

it was ritualistic.

I think that they wanted to
be publicized in that way

because they thought they
were then gonna harness

our emotion from having seen
it to their benefit.

And what it did was, it certainly
did harness emotion,

but it was not to their
benefit.

The emotional reaction
that happened,

if they could have controlled

it and built a conduit
for it,

would have been amazing if

they could have just
channeled it

as they wanted to, literally
channeling energy,

a form of witchcraft, right?

And they wanted to channel
that energy toward Erica,

who I, am I honest to
God perspective,

I believe she is a tried and
true psychopath, truly.

And I'm not saying that
to be theatrical.

I'm not trying to be
hyperbolic.

I mean, like clinical
psychopath.

And I think that is what
has shocked them,

is that they couldn't do it.

And so Charlie's death contributed
to an awakening,

and I have to keep that perspective
that, you know.

Keep going.

Yeah.

They didn't even look into his
own assassination attempt.

Trump, Butler.

There's a reason for that.
They fucking blocked

the investigation.

Yeah.

What do you think that was?

I covered that recently
on my show,

and there is a, it should
be reopened,

and I think it was a successful
assassination

of Corey Comparatory.

Was that the firefighter?

I met his daughter.

Did you?

The inauguration that I never
should have fucking went to.

Yeah, well, they don't
believe the story.

They are not satisfied, his
family is not satisfied

with the investigation.

And there was a strange set
of circumstances

there were potentially...

I might say some of my
best friends

were still in commenters
room,

that basically worked, he was
a supervisor at a company

that dealt with Petton
explosives

because they perforated
the wells

for oil and gas companies,

which requires the Petton
explosive.

He died in a mysterious set
of circumstances

in his backyard where he was
burning stuff in a barrel

and something exploded and
ironically hit his neck

and he died instantly.

And his friends didn't
believe

the circumstances surrounding
his death.

I had heard rumors of an illegal
explosives ring,

sort of people getting
Petton illegally.

And Corey was this guy's friend
since high school.

There's a lot of questions
about,

you know, shortly after
Corey died,

Israel did their beeper Petton
explosive attack

within like two months, it
was very quickly.

That's weird.

All of the stuff could be
considered conspiracy,

but I think what adds weight
to conspiracies

are a lack of answers.

When there's a lack
of answers,

conspiracies become weighted.

And you can't tell me that
it's normal for a man

to survive an assassination
attempt

and shut down the
investigation

into his own assassination
attempt.

That doesn't make sense.

Trump can't make that
make sense.

You think he knows? Mm-hmm.

That's why he's blocking
the investigation.

Is it him blocking it or
is it the FBI?

Well, if Tucker is to
be believed,

you can decide whether you
believe Tucker

or whether you believe
Dan Bongino,

but I'm gonna go with
Tucker Carlson.

(laughing)

Yeah, I'll go with Tucker
on that.

I'm gonna go with Tucker

and Dan's reaction to what Tucker
said was very strange.

He was like, "I was gonna
beat up Tucker Carlson

or something."

I was like, "Tucker Carlson's
not gonna fight you.

What is wrong with you?"

But he came undone when
Tucker revealed

the conversation they had.

And Tucker seemed to be
telling the truth

that Dan said that Trump
blocked it personally.

And that's reflected even in
what Don Trump Jr. said.

He said, "My dad is satisfied
with the investigation.

I'm not, and I'm gonna
leave it there."

So clearly the directive had
gone out from Trump

that no more talk about
Butler.

So make that make sense.

You survived an assassination
attempt.

You're now number one in
charge of the country.

Why would you not just--

I have no idea why you
wouldn't wanna know

who's trying to fucking
kill you.

It just makes--

This is like turning me.

It doesn't make sense to me.

Yeah, they don't wanna
hear me.

I don't know why it
makes sense

to so many other fucking
people,

but it doesn't make
sense to me.

I would wanna know who's
trying to kill me.

Yeah.

So there's something we're
missing about Butler.

And it's the exact same stage

so to speak, the exact
same play

as a Charlie Kirk
assassination

where everyone who should
be the most curious

about investigating is very
much not curious

about investigating, angry at people
that are investigating

and attacking people who
wanna get answers.

The public's gonna
notice that.

The public's gonna notice that
something's not right.

Like, and they're gonna begin
to suspect the people

who purport to be
the victims.

Why do you think nobody in
this administration

is speaking up?

Do you think they're all
under the same control?

Are they all under Trump's
control?

We know that Charlie represented
almost a solitary voice

maybe outside of JD Vance's
in terms of trying

to communicate to Trump that
getting involved

with Iran was a bad idea.

That administration is not
working for Donald Trump.

They're working for Israel.

Obviously, Trump is
powerless.

Everyone can see that.

It's just, it's just, I mean,

I had Kash Patel sitting
right across from me

at the other studio and we
just went on and on

about the Epstein shit,
on and on and on

and then nothing.

I mean, where's Kash
Patel from?

He's from Vegas.

If Kash Patel has ever had
any power in his life,

his power came from that entire
city was built by Israel.

Miriam Adelson has served
the IDF.

Sheldon Adelson said his
biggest regret

was not having served
the IDF.

They've never been, I mean,
Trump said it on stage.

She's more loyal to Israel than
she is to our country.

I mean, it's not a secret.

Vegas is a dangerous place.

People say what happens in
Vegas stays in Vegas,

stays in Vegas and gets sent
over to Tel Aviv.

It's just a city of blackmail,
to be honest with you.

And they're all kind
of tied there.

They're all kind of tied in
my view to Vegas.

I mean, Andrew Colvet,
he's from Reno.

His dad did legal work
on the casinos

and it's like this thing,
his brother served.

It was from the Reno unit
that went over

and were guarding the poppy
seeds in Afghanistan.

That was his brother, was like
Colonel Lieutenant on that.

That was just poppy
trafficking.

After that, we had the
opioid crisis.

And what do we think these
wars are about?

What did we win in
Afghanistan?

Poppy seeds.

It'll be a good crisis.

What do you think is gonna
happen in the midterms?

Actually, let me back up.

Now you see Trump speaking
out against Israel.

You see Vance, I don't
buy it either.

You see Trump and Vance.

Now all of a sudden
it's like,

where the fuck did this
come from?

It all seems very performative
to me

and I'm not sure why they're
moving to,

I guess this new act,
so to speak.

Because they're destroyed.

Yeah, maybe because
midterms are--

They're completely destroyed.

Maybe because midterms are
around the corner.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

I mean, they're fucking
destroyed.

So they're gonna pretend he's
like Mr. Tough Guy again

and standing up to BB, it's
all very performative.

Do you think people are gonna
buy this shit?

No.

Do you think Israel's
in on the act?

Yes. Me too.

I think you should take the
Mossad at their word

when they say we are the
directors, the actors,

we can infiltrate any
organization,

any company, or the script
writers, I believe that.

That's a 60 Minutes
interview, right?

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

After referring to how they
were able to infiltrate

and get the PETN explosive
into the beepers

and how they created all
these fake companies

with fake employees.

I think about when I hear
those words,

Charlie and his life and how
I think it became

an Israeli Truman Show, but
similar for Trump.

Everyone around him is just
working for a higher boss

and it's the Rothschilds
and it's Israel.

So all of that is
performative.

I mean, I couldn't be motivated
to vote for midterms.

Yeah, me neither.

Especially after what we saw
happen with Thomas Massey,

where they're just so in our
face about it now

whether we don't like you,

if you have a point against
Israel, we'll spend.

That's the only thing I can't
really put together

in my head is we see
this act.

We see all of a sudden everybody's
a tough guy

against Israel, like,
oh, right, okay.

Right around the corner
from midterms.

But I also don't really believe
in the election system

because of all kinds of
shit we've seen.

Spencer Pratt's race, probably
the most recent one,

Massey's race.

So if the elections
are phony,

then why do they give a shit
about the act?

Because the illusion matters.

Why does it matter?

Because they need, think
about if truly tomorrow

they came out and said, your
vote doesn't mean anything.

We've been running the

election since the beginning
of time.

We kill people in broad
daylight.

Yeah, we did JFK.

We did Charlie in.

And we're gonna keep doing whatever
the hell we want.

So, F you.

You think something would
actually happen?

Yeah.

Because it's actually something
Charlie said to me

when we were traveling once.

He said one of his little
pop quizzes,

what is one thing that every
civilization

that has ever had slavery

since the beginning of
human history,

what is one thing that
every single one

of those civilizations
has in common?

I don't know.

I didn't know either.

And he said, there were always
more slaves than masters.

And that always stuck
with me.

The few are able to get all
of us to behave.

So what they fear is a
real revolution.

That's why they always
stoked the flames

of internal unrest.

Because if all of us were
in lockstep

and we were like, let's go
kill these pedophiles.

Let's go take care
of business.

That's the biggest threat
to the system.

A revolution that they
don't control.

So instead they create revolutions
over stupidity.

Trans bathroom rights.

Keep them focused and arguing
about stuff

that doesn't matter at all.

BLM, racial strife.

Why isn't there a George
Floyd square?

This is fodder for idiots.

While they buy islands,
they take up land,

they destroy heritage, they
rewrite history.

20 years from now they'll
say, you already heard,

I think Jerry Seinfeld say
Palestine doesn't exist.

He's a man of the future.

They'll rewrite history.

They'll say they were
the victims.

It all started on
October 7th.

And they'll wipe away entire
identities.

I mean, good for the people
in Albania,

who are standing up to the Israeli
settlers right now.

Don't know what their plan is
there, something's going on.

And that's their biggest
threat.

So they have to get
you to believe

in the illusion of elections,

because you have to think
you can change it

and that your voice matters.

Who do you think is gonna be
the next president?

I mean, Pauli Barker right now
puts Vance at the top.

And then two points below is Rubio
and Gavin Newsom tied.

Rubio, what?

Absolutely not.

I mean, maybe with APAC money,
I think it happened.

The Ostrom's Golden Boy.

Yeah, maybe with APAC money,
anything can happen.

I'm not into political
prognostications.

I wouldn't put any of
those people.

If we had a fair system,

I wouldn't put any of those
people in the bucket

for who would be the
next president.

I mean, if we're talking about
on the Democratic side,

yeah, I think they're gonna
run Gavin Newsom.

That's probably accurate.

But on the Republican side,

there is an apathy that's
setting in.

And I don't see how Vance gets
around everything Trump did.

I don't see how Vance gets around
what happened in Iran.

I don't see how Vance is able
to talk his way out of that.

Oh, welcome to tell you how.

All these Catholics
are really

leaning into being
Catholic now

because it's the fastest
growing

Christian denomination
in the world.

So they're leaning into that.

I don't think that's gonna
be enough.

You don't think so?

They're leaning into
it pretty hard.

Have you seen it?

I think he missed an
opportunity

to stand up to Trump on some
of those points

and his unnecessary tweet
against the Pope.

I don't think that, Catholics
are tough.

I know, I'm just saying.

One group that have not been
socially engineered.

I'm watching.

Yeah.

And they're trying,

they're really trying
to tap into it.

I don't think it's
gonna work.

I think people are so much
more awake too.

And especially the, and I'm
gonna call this,

and I don't mean to attack
Vance on this,

but just more broadly
speaking,

the faith grift post-Charlie,

people have their
antennas up.

Because that's been the entire
turning point thing.

And it's felt, it has not

registered, it's felt
inauthentic.

And sure that was like a part
of the evangelical world,

but there have been a
lot of, I think,

missed opportunities for
Vance to not write

about being a Catholic or
say he's a Catholic,

but to stand up to the stuff
that's happening

in the administration that's
just downright ungodly.

You know, you bomb a school with
150 school girls in it,

and then they lie about it.

And then it's sort of
like whatever,

I don't know, maybe you
wanted us to do it.

It's, I think it's gonna be hard
for him to get around it.

So I, but anything can
happen in a world

where elections are
fake and gay.

Anything can happen.

Marco Rubio could be the next

president of the United
States.

Someone they can control.

I hope Massey runs.

I hope Joe Kent runs.

He's great.

I really like Joe Kent.

Yeah, he is fantastic.

I'd like to see him
run as well.

And I think he, the way
that he resigned

and wrote about his conscience
and also the nastiness

that Trump threw at him about
his wife, I couldn't,

I mean, I was just absolutely
shocked.

Nothing makes my skin
crawl more

than a fucking piece of shit

that never served the
fucking country.

Talking shit about a guy who
served the country,

whose wife was fucking assassinated
by Al Qaeda

with one of my really good fucking
friends, Scottie Wertz.

I'm glad he did it.

I'm glad he did it.

Because I think servicemen and
women needed to see that.

Because that is the perspective
that Israel holds

of the men that serve.

I believe that.

I believe that it is, you
are toy soldiers.

We're slaves.

Yeah, we're slaves.

We're slaves.

Yeah.

We're all slaves.

I've had a real awakening
about that.

We have to be tax mules sending
our money to Israel.

And our sons and daughters
to die for them.

And people should not serve.

I've been strong on that.

It's like, our country's
occupied.

You are not signing
up to serve

for the United States
military.

Your streets are not gonna
become more paved.

Your streets are not gonna
become safer.

Your schools are not gonna
become better.

There's will.

So if that is a draw for you,

then sign up and serve the
United States of Israel.

But this is where we can
make a difference.

We need bodies in Iran. I just
had a really good friend

get deployed, a Green Beret.

I won't even say what
group he's at.

And he jokingly, but you can
see it in his fucking eyes.

Says, "I'm getting deployed
early.

I gotta go fight for Israel."

And you could just,
he wants out.

He's talking about a fuck.

Leave.

That's simple.

There's a legal means to
leave the military.

And I encourage on my show, every
man and woman to do it.

Because at the end
of the day,

the best laid plans don't
work without bodies.

And I think they learned that
lesson in Iran.

They couldn't get people
to get behind it.

That's why they need the
propaganda machine.

They needed people to be behind
it and they weren't.

And that terrifies
them truly.

The idea of Americans not signing
up for the military,

that's an existential threat.

I could see it in Pete
Hegseth's eyes.

As he's like, "We're gonna
raise the age.

People will join the
military.

I bet you are.

What does that tell me?

Numbers are low.

People are waking up.

So if you wanna go be big, bad
and take over Palestine

and do it with your sons
and daughters.

I mean, for a Green Beret to
not want to go to war,

one of the fucking highest
trained units

in the fucking United States,
like legit war fighters,

doesn't wanna go to war.

Cause he knows it's
not for us.

And he's not the only one.

It's all of them.

It's fucking all of them.

And when you get back, you
could be so lucky

as to have given your
entire body

to have lifelong ailments,

to not be able to get appointments
at the VA.

And if you're really lucky,
I mean really lucky,

the president can tweet
mocking the fact

that your wife died and
you got remarried

serving the country.

Yep.

Who doesn't wanna sign up?

Sign up today.

Well, I mean, now there's all
this talk about the draft.

Why?

Because it's not there,
but guess what?

You better off spending
a year in jail

than going to fight
for Israel.

So it's like, how far are
they going to take it?

So they're gonna be
like Ukraine,

dragging people off the
street, like thugs.

Probably.

That's the threat that
they need.

You can't, okay, you guys
want it, Zaines,

you're so big and bad
and powerful,

send your sons and daughters.

Your sons and daughters
first.

I will not let my boys
won't serve.

Not in this environment.

It's an honor to serve
the country

that we live in right now,

the occupied country that we
live in right now.

Yeah, that's how I feel.

Call me if we're getting
invaded.

I'm done going overseas.

Best thing to do is to defend
your neighborhoods,

defend your families, build
smaller communities.

That's what I encourage
people to do.

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All right, Candace, we're
back from the break,

and let's get back to you.

Degree 180.

Yeah, just a blog that I had
when I was young.

I just loved to write, I
was always writing.

I mean, my early summer is writing
was in third grade.

I was writing poems.

As soon as I could learn
to write,

it felt like such an
escape for me.

I used to write songs
and poetry,

and I just still love
writing.

I'm one of the rare people
that actually wrote

both of her books.

People usually get a
ghostwriter,

and it's probably my favorite
pastime.

It's something that I genuinely
enjoy doing for me,

and so with Degree 180,

I got a bunch of girls together
to just put together a blog

and let everybody write about

whatever they wanted
to write about,

which is funny, because now
they take articles

that I didn't write, because
it was my blog,

but it clearly was written
by another person.

We'd be like, she operated
a blog

where someone said that Trump
had tiny hands,

and I'm like, yeah, and
someone else

did a whole article bashing
Hillary.

Writing is expression.

I let everybody write whatever
they wanted to write,

and so, yeah, it was a fun
passion project of mine.

Where do we go from there?

From there, I then started
making videos on YouTube.

It was all pretty
back-to-back,

and I launched my YouTube
channel in the fall of,

in August of 2017, right?

I think is when I launched
my YouTube channel

as Red Pill Black, and
just started,

when BLM stuff was
heating up,

I sort of was making funny
videos on YouTube,

and they did pretty well.

You would get 100,000
views here,

which is great for a new
content creator.

Yeah, no kidding.

And I did this little
funny skit,

Mom, Dad, I'm a conservative,
which I wrote.

My cousin, who I was telling
you was the person

that was with me the most
when I was really sick.

I was just kind of coming
out of that.

She recorded it, I wrote it,

and we just shot it, and
it did pretty well.

And then I think it was like
the third video I did.

There's an account online,

I don't know if you're familiar
with Anomaly.

He lifted the video, and it
was me discussing

Black Lives Matter, I
think it was,

and he put it onto Facebook,

and it got 26 million views.

26 million views. 26
million views.

It went absolutely viral.

And that's your third video.

Yeah, I don't know if it was
about BLM, actually.

It was my third video,
and it was about,

I can't remember what
the topic was,

it was just so crazy to me,

but it just went completely
viral,

and then I got the call
from Fox News,

it was Jesse Waters'
team that said,

"Come on, Waters World," and the
rest really was history.

I got an invite to go, it all
happened so quickly,

it was unbelievable.

After doing Fox News, I
then got an invite

to go down to David Horowitz's
Freedom Center,

and that's where I
met Charlie,

and people told me he
had to hire me

after I gave my little
presentation,

I was just on a panel talking
about my experience.

And yeah, it went.

So you started your own
YouTube channel,

did three videos, then
you get connected

with Charlie Kirk?

That is the truth, I mean,
in that order,

it must be my third or fourth
video, it was super quick,

and I can't remember, I can't
remember the topic,

maybe it was feminism, it
was just some topic

that I was riffing on, it just
went absolutely viral,

got 26 million views.

Is that video still up?

Yeah, it's still the same
YouTube channel,

you can go back and watch
the early days skits

with very poor quality
camera,

just doing it from my
granddad's house,

and it was just, yeah, literally
me and my cousin,

and I was like, can you
hold the camera,

I'm just gonna film
something,

and then I edited it myself,

and put it up as Red Po Black
was the moniker I was using,

and it was fun, it
was very fun,

and then I just sort of
started doing videos

talking about various topics,

and then Charlie hired me
to do the same thing

for Turning Point USA,

and then to be the communications
director,

because I think he thought she's
good at communicating,

and she's able to get all these
people to watch her videos,

and we just then had an
absolute blast,

I mean, we were traveling
everywhere,

the entire country, other
countries doing,

just building, building,
building, building.

What channel is this on?

Which channel?

Is the channel called
Red Pill Black?

Yeah, you know, you can just
name your YouTube channel

whenever you want, the
Sean Ryan Show.

I just named mine Red
Pill Black,

because I was thinking like,

oh, here's a Red Pill for
Black America,

was kind of my thought
process there,

and then I think it was
Charlie who told me

you don't wanna have people
meeting you and going,

oh, you're Red Pill Black,
you know,

you wanna use your name,
and I was like,

oh, okay, so I just switched
the channel name

over to Candace Owens, and
yeah, I still have--

Is that your channel, or is
that Daily Wire's channel?

No, I had to pause
my channel.

I really kind of paused it
when I started working

for Turning Point USA,

because then I was making
videos for them,

and so you'll see that gap,

I kind of only made a few
videos really,

and then completely stopped

and was doing work for
Turning Point USA,

and still making videos, but making
the content for them,

so it was TPUSA videos
really.

About various topics, which were
still doing very well,

and then had kind of the
fire power of,

I don't have to edit
my own videos,

and things of that nature,

and then when I took the job,

then I was at PragerU,
so I might--

Hold on, hold on, so
how, I mean,

I know you and Charlie were
obviously very close,

how fast did that relationship
develop?

Right away, because it was such
a small organization,

this is before they had the
offices in Arizona, right?

So, Turning Point was small.

If I remember correctly,

and people could obviously
go back,

it's a public company,

but they were under 10 million
a year, I think,

when, I want to say they
had cleared

six million a year, maybe,

and it was fun.

When it's a small company,

and it feels like a startup,
it's really fun.

Gotta work harder,
sleep less,

but that's when the best
memories are made,

and Charlie was wired to
work like that,

and I just turned my
grandfather,

and wired to work like that,

and so we just lived out
of a suitcase,

doing every possible event,

every, Charlie had this thing

where you do every single
Fox News show,

so we were up at the
crack of dawn

to do Fox and Friends first,

which is in the four o'clock
AM hour,

wherever we were,

because they have their
little studios

you can run to and do a hit,

to staying up until you
finally got the call

to do one of the big ones,

which for us at the time,

it was you get the call to
do Laura Ingraham,

or Tucker Carlson,
we were like,

or Sean...

Not Sean Ryan.

I almost said Sean Ryan,

you see how naturally
I was like,

Sean, that's not Sean Ryan,

I can't believe I'm liking
his name now,

that's ridiculous.

Sean on Fox News.

Hannity.

Hannity, gosh, I was like,

why can I not think
of his name?

It's because of you,

because you're in
front of me,

or Sean Hannity,

that was what you were
building up toward,

and so Charlie was
always like,

you wanna do every show

because the producers for
the other show

are watching this show,

and if you're good
on this show,

he had this whole map of how
it was gonna work,

and so he was like,

you never say no to any show,

and so we did every
Fox News show,

every hit, yes, yes, yes,
yes, yes, yes, yes,

we'll do it,

while trekking throughout
the United States,

living out of a suitcase,

the cheapest hotel rooms
imaginable,

like literally the walls
were so thin,

a lot of them were airport
hotels,

like I could just hear Charlie
turning on the shower,

I could hear Charlie snoring,

I could just, there's
just a thin,

you know, it was like a
sheet of paper,

between our rooms,

and it was fun,

I mean, there are so many
just little things

like that I reflect on now

that are just so funny,

like if you get somewhere,

and then suddenly your suitcase
didn't come through,

and you're going,

I said we have to get up at
the crack of dawn

to find the earliest Walmart,

buy a blazer,

so that we can do the Fox
News hit at 6am,

and it was madness,

a lot of coffee,

a lot of Chipotle,

so much Chipotle,

we ate so much Chipotle,

I can't believe I don't have
stock in that company,

and we kept being like,

they have got to hire us,

so did they have to like,

do an ad agreement with
us or something,

because we're eating this
much of it,

drinking a ton of Starbucks,

and yeah, I mean,

just really traveling
with someone

is the fastest way to get
to know someone,

I can tell you that for free,

you really get to see
the person,

you know what I mean,

there's no glam in traveling
like that,

and who they are in the
morning time,

you know, nighttime,

how they pack their suitcase,

sometimes you get to a room,

and his room's ready,

and my room's not,

and so, oh, but I'm excited
to take a nap,

and so he's like,

I'm gonna go for a run,

you can go for a nap
in my room,

that we're exchanging,

and so, yeah,

you get to see people
at their worst,

and at the same time,

I think one of the
things that

made me and Charlie so close,

because I think about why
we sort of had

this unbreakable bond,

despite everything,

and if you think about
your life,

who are the people that you actually
feel the closest to,

it's people that you grow
up with, right?

Like there's something about
those early relationships,

and I think about the people

that I went to high
school with,

like either something,

they're so, it's so unique
and so special,

because it's a coming of age,

and it was the same
with Charlie,

we had a certain type
of coming of age

together in politics,

neither of us was very well
known, right?

We were very idealistic about
what politics was,

we thought we could
change things.

How old were you when you
started turning--

I was a lot older than
Charlie was,

26.

26?

Yeah, and I wanna say
Charlie was

20, don't quote me on this,

I feel like I was 26 when I
started making my videos,

but I might not have been,

and then Charlie would have
been like 21,

I have to figure that out,

but that sounds about
right to me.

Are they still kinda growing
up together at that age?

Yeah, but it's so different
though,

when it's growing up,

then there's like that growing
up that happens.

I mean you also knew each other
before it all happened.

That's what I mean, we
weren't well known.

Neither of us was well known.

Like when I started working
for Turning Point USA,

I didn't have even 10,000
followers on,

I think I had, maybe I had got
like 30,000 followers on X,

that were following
my videos,

so I wasn't well known, Charlie
wasn't well known,

and we were trying to
build something,

and we thought we could
really change things,

so there's an innocence
there too,

where you're like, wow, wow,

we're in the excitement of,

looking back on the messages,

like Don Trump Jr. just
retweeted me,

you know what I mean?

He knows I exist, and this
person just retweeted me,

and so and so, Laura Ingram
just asked me

to do our show for the
first time,

and there's an innocence
even looking back

and reflecting in Charlie's life
by this time next year,

you're gonna have 100,000
followers, right?

And so there was a coming
of age,

I think is what made
us so close,

and then also realizing,
whoa,

politics is really nasty
business,

and then people that, because we
were so naturally trusting

and we thought that this
could be a fair game,

like we're gonna work hard,

and Charlie used to
always say,

we can always, what is the
one thing we can control?

We can always outwork
our opponents,

that's the one thing
in our control,

and we did, we outworked
them,

and that's how we climbed,

and the moment of then Kanye
tweeting me,

like never forget that
morning,

I was just in tears,
calling Charlie

and just being like, we
made this happen,

and everything really sort of
exploded after that,

but that's what it
is, I think,

is it's a coming of age and
you can't rip that away,

you can't rip that away to see
people in that environment

and watch them come up and
watch them navigate

so many snakes and to earn
where they are,

Charlie earned that and I fought
and I earned that,

and then to watch people
cut his life short,

and then to watch people
who didn't earn it,

say it's mine now, it doesn't
work for me.

What was the goal back then,
what were you guys doing?

Well, my goal was to change
black America,

and I'm laughing because it just
seems like my worldview

was small in realizing what
the problem was,

it's like, I'm gonna get black
America to realize

that the Democrats are lying

to them about black
lives matter

and keeping us focused
on race issues

because we're not ever
gonna get ahead,

but it's so much bigger than
black America,

it's all of America, and all

of us focused on various
issues,

and so that was like
my micro issue,

I cared deeply about wanting
to wake up black America,

and also I was pretty
passionate

about the feminism thing too,

and Charlie truly wanted
to rebuild the RNC,

and make it palatable
for the youth,

and build an organization
based on free markets

and capitalism, and showing
the youth that like,

actually it's kind of cool
to have a brain

when you're young too, and to
make conservatism hip,

I guess, amongst a very liberal
organ of college campuses,

and he did that, he did that.

That's what it was back then,
it was going to campuses.

Yeah, it was all about
building,

disrupting college campuses,

which had become sort of these
centers for indoctrination,

and we just felt like we
could change that,

we could change the world,

and maybe one day Charlie was
gonna be president,

I know his biggest goal
at that time

was he used to listen to
Rush Limbaugh,

like Rush Limbaugh was
his Roman Empire,

like really he loved
Rush Limbaugh,

and so the way that I felt
when Kanye tweeted me,

because I was always
more cultural,

and I knew what Kanye meant to
culture for people like me

who grew up and didn't know
if he'd sort of ever,

I don't know, get out of the
thing, so to speak,

for him, he felt that way
about Rush Limbaugh,

and so when Rush Limbaugh sat
on his radio show,

like mentioned, there's this
young guy, Charlie Kirk,

I mean, Charlie was
like, made,

like that was his moment,
was just,

he listened to Rush Limbaugh
every day

on the drive to school when
he was young,

so that's who sort of shaped
his ideas,

so I should say actually two
people who I know

who were conservative when
they were young,

Charlie too, apparently,
some things,

like my husband, like what do
you mean you weren't liberal

when you were young, it sounds
so much more fun,

but Charlie was, these are

like these boy genius
or whatever,

and so he was really shaped
by Rush Limbaugh,

and yeah, by the end
of his life,

he would be, he would know
Rush Limbaugh,

like on, just pick up the
phone and call him,

and he wanted to one day
have a radio show,

he was like, who has every
day, day in doubt,

just three hours of radio,
and the grind of that,

and he wanted to one day have
his own show, Charlie,

and be like Rush Limbaugh, and
so when he finally did it,

when he did the Charlie
Kirk show,

and it was doing so well, I knew
that he would crush it,

because I was like, this is,

he was so passionate about
building this,

and it's also why it positively
disgusts me

to see what the show
has become,

because it is the opposite of what
Charlie wanted it to be,

it's the opposite of what
inspired him,

it's the opposite of what
Rush Limbaugh was,

but that's why it's not
doing well,

because nothing that's not
real will survive.

My editor in there wanted
me to ask you

about the Maroon shirts.

The Maroon shirts.

The Maroon shirts.

Yeah. Nothing about this.

No, I was the person who brought
it to attention,

they laughed at me, and I know
nothing about the military,

but I just, when I looked at
the footage of Charlie,

and what happened on
September 10th,

it struck me as highly
unusual

that there were so many men
wearing Maroon shirts,

like it's not exactly a color
that men wear all the time,

and there were a lot of men,
all of whom were alone,

I might add, who were,

went to just hear Charlie
Kirk speak alone,

and they were wearing
Maroon shirts,

and I just said to myself,

"This feels like organization
to me."

They're wearing Maroon shirts
to identify each other,

and lo and behold, I then
learned that,

from military men, that when
they do operations,

it's a way for, they'll have
a color of the day,

which is a way for them to
identify each other,

if they're doing something,

whether it's covert operations
or whatever,

and I believe that those boys

that were wearing Maroon
shirts

were all a part of the same,

I don't know if it's gonna be
like an overseas battalion,

whatever it is, that
they're--

An identifier.

And I even saw, I have a
tape of one person

after the shot goes off,
bending down low,

and handing another guy
a Maroon shirt,

which is even crazier, which
I haven't even,

I don't even think I spoke
about it on my show,

they just hand him a
Maroon shirt,

caught on just the very
bottom of the camera,

and I'm like, "Passed around
a Maroon shirt

"after a shot goes off.

"That feels kind of weird."

So there was an element
which makes sense

that you would color
coordinate,

so you know where to look.

Men just don't wear Maroon
that often,

is what I would say.

Wow.

Why did you wind up, I mean,

it sounds like you really
liked Oregon there.

Why did you leave?

Turning Point changed.

After the, I mean, it was a
couple of factors at play,

but Turning Point, like
I said to you,

I always love a startup vibe.

It's fun, there's more
freedom.

And after the Kanye tweet,

and I'm saying this
reflectively,

hindsight's 20-20, everything
changed.

Like, Turning Point was
suddenly on the map,

Kanye put it on the map,

whether people wanna recognize
that or not.

Suddenly, everyone's going, "Who
is this Candace Owens?

"I love the way Candace
Owens thinks

"what Candace Owens was working
for Turning Point USA."

And suddenly, money started
coming in,

they started telling,
you know,

Charlie needed the PR person,

he needed this person, he
needed to get this woman

to say she shared it in
in donations.

I mean, just like the whole
thing became

much more corporatized.

And I had warned Charlie
about,

I didn't like some of
the characters

that were being brought
around him.

And I didn't love the 501(c)(3)
world in general.

It's my, it goes against my
natural character.

Charlie was such a great
diplomat.

And he would take the abuses
from the donors.

The bigger the check,
the more control

is what I recognized
very quickly.

And that's not a game
that I think

I'm naturally made to play.

And so a point arrived where,

and in retrospect, it's
interesting,

somebody had pulled an
old tape of me

and presented it out
of context

of me and Charlie in London,

where we were asked a question
about nationalism.

They stripped the question

and they made it look like
I was on stage

preaching about Hitler,
like, and saying,

if Hitler just wanted to
be in Germany,

that'd be great.

But what I was saying was,

I don't, they said,

doesn't nationalism feel
like a dirty word?

Like, how can you say you're
a nationalist?

And I was like, Hitler wasn't
a nationalist.

You know, Hitler was like,

hey, I'm just wanna be in Germany
and make America great.

Like, that wouldn't be
problematic.

He was a globalist, he had
global aspirations.

Long story short, they
made this video

go viral out of nowhere.

And I always now go
back to that

and I wonder who did that.

And suddenly, like a Jewish group
issued a thing saying

that I was like anti-Semitic.

It was so crazy.

And donors were calling
him, telling him

that like he needed to pull
back away from me.

It's so funny to think that

this was another Zionist
scandal.

And at the same, and I was so
shocked at this time

because I had, I mean, I just
grew up in a very Jewish,

I had never been accused of
being an anti-Semite.

And I- You were, this was-

Yeah, this was- Way before-

Oh my gosh, before, I mean,

like, and I was like
genuinely hurt.

And that's how it feels
the first time

you're called something
that you're not,

before you realize it's a
political game, right?

When someone's first like,
you're a racist

or like you're an anti-Semite,
it is so shocking.

Like I had Jewish best
friends growing up.

I was just going like, how
would they ever say this?

Why would BuzzFeed make this
video go viral?

Why is there suddenly
this group?

And I can't remember, it was
the Simon Wiesenthal Center

who issued a strong
condemnation

and they have a lot of power
about my words.

And I'm like, why are they
all intentionally

not showing the full remarks
of what I was answering to?

I didn't even say Jewish,
nothing.

It just was about, the
question was,

was Hitler a nationalist?

Can we be nationalistic
without being accused

of being Adolf Hitler?

There were journalists
in the room,

there was no issue with it.

And somebody very clearly
went back

and tried to find what they
could scandalize.

And I now have the
perspective

that this was an intentional
scandal

that was made whole cloth
out of thin air.

And to put pressure
behind Charlie

and to sort of pull us apart
in a weird way.

And so anyway, so I'm like,

I was genuinely like apologizing,
like going,

this is what I meant, here's
the full context,

here's the full video.

And at the same time, who
arrived into my life

and made me an offer and was
like, we can help you,

you know, fix this was Prager
University,

a Jewish organization.

And that arrived as like,
and they offered me

much more money than I
was working at,

making at Turning Point USA.

And so it seemed like
a perfect,

I had just gotten engaged
as well.

And so like, you know, my ability
to kind of travel

the country and do
those things.

So it seemed like a
perfect storm

to kind of take the
next step.

And sure enough, I went to
LA to meet with them.

And this is now one of the
stranger things

that's ever happened.

And I didn't think of
it at the time,

I was totally just baffled
by the scandal.

Marisa, the CEO of PragerU
took me

to the Simon Wiesenthal
Center.

Right, she said she
could help

make this go away
or whatever.

And she took me to the Simon
Wiesenthal Center.

And there was this guy,
I'm gonna say,

he was like a chief rabbi, I
don't know, he was dressed.

He was very much the guy, you
know what I mean?

They didn't speak a word
of English,

they spoke fluently
in Hebrew.

I just sat in the room
as they spoke.

And they went back and forth
speaking in Hebrew.

And then Marisa and I left,

and she said everything
was gonna be fine.

And the scandal went away.

What?

It sounds so crazy that I did
not even appreciate

that it was crazy
at the time,

because I just was like,
thank you, friend,

because I can't believe
anybody

would ever think I was
anti-Semitic.

Because that's, and so I
was so grateful.

And I thought she was like
using her contacts

and being, because the Simon
Wiesenthal Center

had issued this whatever,

and that she was coming
in to like,

basically tell them
it's not true.

I don't know what they were,

I didn't know what they were
saying, went away.

Now I'm like, was it like,
I'll handle this,

we've pulled them apart,
it's all good.

She's gonna come work
for me now.

Why do you think you
were targeted?

Why do you think you were
targeted to begin with?

I think there is, and
I'm fully in,

just reflecting on the way
things went down.

Erica came into Charlie's
life,

a bunch of people were
suddenly being put

in a turning point USA.

Girlfriend, the Stacey
Sheridan,

she's gonna raise more money

and take things to the
next level.

Andrew Colvet, you need
like real PR now.

I mean, just like all of
these characters,

like a Hollywood cast was
suddenly assembled.

And I think there was
a real panic

about the power of any
organization.

You hit a level and they
start paying attention.

And I think the Kanye tweet
put us on the map.

They started paying
attention.

This could be a very powerful
political organization.

We need to make sure that
it's within our control.

Gotcha.

And I was always--

And they presented you, PragerU
to control you.

That is my perspective
in retrospect.

And I did not have that perspective
while I was there.

And I also wanna make
it very clear,

I had a very good working
relationship there.

It was not, A, I will say
they were always honest

about who they were.

Like there's Iainess, Marissa's
former Mossad,

you know?

So they were never trying to
pretend that they had,

like they were open to a different
perspective on Israel

or anything like that,
or like anything.

They were upfront about
who they were

and what their priorities
were.

And Marissa was very kind.

Like if she was a handler,
she was damn good.

That's why she probably
was in the Mossad.

Like, you know what I mean?

Like the best kind of handlers
is one that's,

you think is your friend.

And she was there for
me through

a really tough personal time
in my life as well.

And so it was, that was a hard
relationship for me to mourn

in many ways because
I'm naturally,

you know, not looking, I
don't open up to people

about tough things that
I go through.

And she was there for me for
a really tough time.

We had a perfect working
relationship.

So I don't want people
to think that

because of where I'm at right
now, you go backwards

and you're like, oh, well
things were not, no.

It was like, they were
fantastic.

They ran very professionally.

I had a great relationship
with their,

even their COO, Lane,
Thrasher.

They were all just great.

I mean, I don't know
what to say.

I had a perfect, she never wanted
to talk about contracts.

She was like, if you don't
want to be here,

then you should go.

Like, it's not gonna work for
me to hold you here

like you're a prisoner.

I love to prager you.

It was great.

Did that for a couple
of years.

Then again, kind of like a
new season of life.

Had my first kid.

Now-- Hold on, hold on.

Let's go back.

How'd you meet your husband?

With Charlie.

This is a crazy story, but
the same exact week

that Charlie was having these
dreams about dying,

or where he was really deeply
talking to me about it.

I mean, he had the dreams over
and over again, he said,

from a time he signed with
Turning Point,

but he was like, it was a lot of
things happened that week.

One, by the end of the week,
Kanye tweeted me.

Okay.

Two, I had this over, and the
same way he was like,

I'm gonna die.

I was just like, we should go to,
we need to get to London.

We need to go to the UK.

No reason.

We had no reason, no rhyme or
reason to go to the UK.

And I just started hammering
him in April.

Being like, we need to
go to the UK,

we need to go to the UK, we
need to go to the UK.

June comes around, I'm sorry,
I'm hammering him,

we need to go to the UK.

He's like, for what?

And I'm just like, just make
up something to be there.

I just feel like pulled
to go to the UK.

I have the messages, it's so
crazy to read back.

And so eventually I am feeling
so pulled to go to the UK

that I say to him, give me
your credit card,

I'm just gonna book
the flights

because then you'll be forced
to just make a reason

for us to go to the UK.

And I did it.

And I had never done that,
never booked flights,

never taken his card.

And I was like, now we're
going to the UK,

so find something for
us to do.

And he was like, well, I've
been wanting to build out

Turning Point UK and kind
of build out

this international thing.

And so we were hosted by, who
are now dear friends to us,

John Mappin and Irina Mappin.

Charlie had been emailing
with them.

And they said, we'd love
to host you

because we need Turning
Point in the UK.

And I spoke.

This is also the same event that
they would eventually pull

the out of context comments
from.

So this is December.

And then they would pull
these comments

in March of the following
year.

And he got together
a great group

and I presented on stage

and my husband was in
the audience.

And I just sort of
looked at him

and so I was really cute.

(laughing)

So I was really cute.

And at the end he came up
to me and he said,

hi, I'm George Farmer.

And I was like, George Farmer
is pretty cute.

And that was it.

(laughing)

Never going to probably
see him again.

Next day I had a podcast,
Russell Burch,

Russell Brand, go out to
the countryside,

book the con, you know, as
much media as possible.

And then Russell Brand
like went over.

It was like three hours.

And my assistant somehow had a
miscommunication with PJW.

There was gonna be this Turning
Point UK launch dinner

where a bunch of political
players

were gonna be brought
to the room.

And PJW was supposed to be
unbeknownst to me.

I don't know if you know
who he is.

He's a YouTuber in the UK.

And I didn't, long
story short,

I didn't know this dinner
was happening.

Like it was not in me and
Charlie's calendar.

We had no idea it was
happening.

I was gonna go do Russell
Brand.

Charlie did some press down
there back in London.

I'm in the countryside.

And then we met back up to do
another media event.

I suddenly realized, I am
told by my assistant

that I'm running three hours
late to a dinner

that I didn't even know
it was happening.

So me and Charlie jump into
a taxi, book it,

and are like, Mike, like
who could,

important political players,

a nice small intimate dinner
of like maybe 18,

maybe even smaller, maybe
like 15 people.

And I walk into this dinner

and George Farmer is hosting
the dinner

because he wanted to get
behind Turning Point UK

because him and his father
were very involved

with Brexit at the time.

And his father was at one
time the treasurer

for the Tory party.

So they were involved
in politics.

And he just thought Turning
Point UK was a great idea.

And he was helping his
friend, PJW,

put together a little dinner
for Charlie in Canada.

And so we arrived three hours
late to this dinner

and George Farmer is there.

And I see him.

And at this point, because
his friends were like,

mate, are they even coming?

He's just plying everyone at
the table with alcohol

because like he's humiliated
that nobody's,

he doesn't know what's
happening

because he's not talking
to me.

He had no idea it was
happening.

So Charlie and I get there.

We don't, like, this is so
out of our character.

We would never show up
somewhere late.

I don't know where the
ball got dropped.

I blame PJW and so
does George.

And we immediately just went
around the table

and I just said, sorry to
every single person.

You know, obviously I had
to thank you.

Thank you for being here.

We sit down.

I sit down next to my husband,
future husband.

I tell you, I just looked
at his face

and I knew he was my, it was
the craziest thing.

I just knew he was
my husband.

And he didn't speak
to me barely

because he was thinking
the same thing.

Like he knew that I
was his wife

and had already texted
his friend

after hearing me speak
the night before.

And he wrote in writing, I'm going
to marry Candace Owens.

And his friend who was the

best man in our wedding
was like,

mate, you're an idiot.

Like, he read this at the
night before our dinner,

read the messages.

And it was the exact same thing
was happening for me.

And I'm saying to my
assistant,

George Farmer's my husband.

And we didn't say anything.

He was then too nervous.

So I spoke to his best
friend, Nick,

who was the best man
in our wedding.

He chatted with him the
whole time.

And I'm just sitting
here like, man,

I really want to talk to
this George Farmer.

He's just so cute.

And he said a couple
of words.

And then at the end, sent me
a message on WhatsApp

and said, thank you so much for
coming to church tonight.

And I was like, you should

come to the Student
Action Summit,

which is going to be next
week in Palm Beach.

Had no idea if he had
a girlfriend.

Was really hoping he didn't
because he was my husband.

So it'd be weird if he had
a girlfriend, right?

(both laughing)

It would be so weird if I
found out my husband

had a girlfriend.

And he flew over with a
girlfriend of his.

And the whole time I'm just
trying to figure out,

like we're doing sass, all
this is going on.

And we just kind of like put
them in our group.

And I'm just trying
to figure out

if those two are dating.

If my husband has a
girlfriend.

And there was this donor to
Turning Point USA.

I used to stay at her house
when we had an event

in Palm Beach and
she's older.

She was like 75 and she's
at the age where

they don't care what
they say.

And she's like, you two would
be so cute together.

And I'm sitting here like.

(both laughing) So I
did this thing.

I'm telling you, I've
never done this.

This is so funny.

And we had the event at, it
was at Mar-a-Lago.

I remember the dress
I was wearing.

And then he shows up wearing
like a cummer,

like I mean, English men in
their suits, right?

So he shows up in like
James Bond.

And I'm like, okay, everybody
stop.

That's my husband.

Like obviously.

Like in my head, I'm just
like, this is crazy.

Like if you, my husband in
a suit is just like,

okay, it just shuts everything,
shuts everything down.

And I'm just sitting here
and afterward,

and we had a conversation
and we just,

the conversation just
completely flowed.

We were actually talking
about Vladimir Putin,

which is really funny.

And we were talking
about planes

and overcharging for
suitcases.

And I'm still, now I'm
thinking like, okay,

I don't think he's dating
this girl.

Cause she was there and we
were kind of like,

you know, talking.

And so I went back to the
donor's house

and I was like, I am going
to message him

and see if he wants to
like meet up for,

what do you call it when you
have like a late night?

There's like a fancy
expression for it.

Like, you know, to have a
cocktail late night.

What do they say?

I don't know what people
call it.

There's a nice fancy way to
say it, whatever.

But I'm like, I'm gonna
text him.

Okay, here's how I'm gonna
figure it out.

I'm gonna text him and see if
he wants to meet up

in like the lobby of
the hotel.

And I'm gonna shoot my shot.

And if he answers, then
like, okay,

there was definitely
something there.

And if he doesn't answer,
then there was nothing.

Okay.

And he said, like, I saw
a text to him.

I just texted, I texted
my husband,

who I thought was my husband
in my head.

And I'm like, hey, like, do
you wanna go grab a,

there's a word for
it, whatever,

in the lobby or whatever
of the hotel.

No response.

No response.

Going backward and going
over this together,

he was like, I was just
knocked out sleeping.

Well, of course you're

thinking a thousand different
things.

And I'm like, oh my gosh, like,
no, he's dating that girl.

He's totally dating
that girl.

I'm an idiot.

And yeah, and so yeah,
I was like, okay,

he's gonna, and then
the next day

we went to the donor's
house again.

And she was just like, you guys
make such a cute couple.

And I was like getting
all these signs.

And then after he left,
he called me

and we talked on the phone
for like three hours.

And I was like, okay,
like, okay.

He didn't have a girlfriend,
the whole thing.

And then he told me, I
just fell asleep.

And I'm so sorry, I missed
the text message.

I was like, if you knew the
thought and the emotion

and everything that went

behind this, like, I
never do this.

I don't even, at the time, I didn't
even drink, by the way.

Like, I was just making up
an excuse to see him.

And it was just, he had,
he just passed out.

And I was like, he's probably
with that girl,

like all the girly emotions.

And none of that was
happening.

And so yeah, he, we then like spoke
every day on the phone.

Obviously he was back
in the UK.

And then he proposed to
me on a plane.

We hadn't even had our
first kiss.

So I'm one of the great--

Hadn't even had your
first kiss?

No.

How could we?

He was in the UK.

So I, he proposed to me.

People thought we were
totally insane.

His friends thought
he was insane.

Everyone thought I
was insane.

My sisters were like,
this is the most

Candace thing I've ever
heard, ever.

So wait, how much time from
you met him to--

Engagement?

Engagement. 18 days.

18 days?

Wow.

How long have you guys
been married now?

Seven years.

Seven years.

Seven years, baby number
five on the way.

Congratulations.

Thank you.

Yeah, so it was, I can't even
explain the poll

that pulled me to the UK.

And when I saw him, I don't
know if I dreamed it.

I mean, some things are just
so metaphysical.

We don't understand the world
and the way it works.

But I know, I knew it was my
husband and I was right.

So everyone was wrong.

I was like, no, that's
obviously my husband.

Like I have no like, and the
way that I describe

how I felt, and I will be such
a hypocrite by the way,

in the future when my
daughter pulls this,

she'll be about to marry.

I feel like my daughter someday
is gonna watch this episode

and she's like, you and
dad fell in love.

When you're watching
and you're 20,

however old you are, Louise,

you're not allowed to meet
any guy like this.

You're not allowed to get
married after 18 days.

This only applies for me.

I'm gonna be a total
hypocrite.

The only way that I can describe
the way I felt

is it felt like a sigh
of relief.

Like, there he is.

Like, everything's gonna
be okay now.

He's there.

What's the secret to a
successful marriage?

Gosh, the secret to a
successful marriage.

I feel in some ways I have been
just so blessed by God

to just have a really
easy marriage.

Cause I hear, you know,

everyone wants to know what
the secret is.

And I think it's, the secret
is loving the person

you married, like genuinely
enjoying them,

like genuinely being
fascinated by them.

Like wanting to aspire
to them,

wanting to know them every
layer of them

and wanting to learn
from them.

Having just like a deep
reverence

for the person that you're
marrying,

like aside from just being giddy
and in love with them.

And I'm totally obsessed
with my husband.

I just genuinely am.

And that's the best feeling
in the world.

I feel like I cheated in life
somehow like that.

I just got to marry the
person of my dreams

who wears a suit like
James Bond.

Like I'm just like, he's just
perfect in every way.

And the best thing is just
to see who he became

after we had kids, like men,
you unlock something.

And I'm sure it comes
from, I'm a dad.

You know what I mean?

Wow, I gotta figure this
thing out.

And we have a lot of boys.

So I think there's even more
pressure applied

of I now need to be the model
of the father.

I'm a father.

What kind of a father
do I wanna be?

Because that's gonna
impact my boys.

And he loves his dad.

And I think he felt the pressure
of wanting to be

who his dad was to him.

And this pressure just created
a diamond, you know?

So he has just, I'm just
amazed at him.

Like he's just, my husband's
good at everything too.

It's one of those people who
has a brain for everything.

I know what I'm good at.

I'm good at communication.

I'm good at writing.

I understand marketing.

But he can just learn any
subject in a day

and then suddenly fully
comprehend it.

I mean, you could talk to my
husband about any subject.

It's unbelievable.

So I, I don't know, I
just adore him.

I think that's kind of the secret
is adoring the person.

It's been really easy for us,
which sounds crazy

because on the external, it's
like a constant hurricane,

a constant tornado.

But to see, especially
during the year

of the Daily Wire stuff, how
he just built it.

It's like understood the
whole, never podcasted,

understood it, did the ads, redid
the contracts, you know?

All right, gotta figure this
out, whatever.

And just, I could have never
survived that year

without my husband.

Wow. Yeah.

He's a genius.

He really is. And baby
number five's

on the way.

Five, just been in a constant
state of pregnancy.

Like an elephant.

Elephants are pregnant
for two years.

I feel like I've just been
pregnant for a long time,

but I'm blessed with very
easy pregnancies.

And we didn't realize
how much,

we were gonna love being
parents too.

Like that was something
that surprised us.

You hear so much about
marriage.

Be careful when you
get married.

And I feel like there's so
much nonsense out there.

Like you're walking a plank
or something.

And I feel like my life began
when I got married

and when I had kids
and we just,

our kids are just the best.

Or my kids are awesome.

Like, I mean, they're so
funny and they're kind

and they're so smart.

And I know I sound like
I'm biased,

but I really do have
the best kids.

Someone has to have
them, right?

Someone has to have the
best and it's me.

(laughing)

And we just love it.

We love being parents.

The happiness that
comes from it

and the security that
comes from it.

Like they're getting security
from you,

but you're getting real
security from them

and realizing suddenly
what matters.

It changes everything.

And I laugh at that younger
Candace who's like,

whoa, this person retweeted
me.

That's the goal.

Whoa, I'm gonna do this
show tonight.

And now it's how fast
can I get home?

So and so did this today,
like texting each other,

like the stories of like
little conversations

that watching children contend
with the world

and try to reason and the
oversimplification,

the beauty of the oversimplification
of a child's mind.

It's so special.

It really is.

And now I get to work
from home

because thank you,
Daily Wire.

The blessing of that.

One thing I wasn't expecting
to hear today

is a thank you to the Daily
Wire from Candace Owens.

I owe them so much.

I owe them so much for
ripping the carpet

from under my feet in the most
glorious way possible.

I mean, God is always
looking out.

I look back on that and you
just don't doubt

what God's doing.

Things that you're like,
why, why, why?

Well, you're not meant to
know right now, Candace.

And then God just showing me

that he just was throwing
me a lifeboat.

Now's a good time to get
out of there.

So I have no regrets.

Good for you.

Good for you.

You brought up, I think
it's Brexit.

What is Brexit?

Well, Brexit is what I was building
alongside Charlie

when I was really focused
on wanting

to motivate black people to wake
up the Democrat party.

And so that kind of happened
in Kanye season.

And then when I realized
I did

not want to do not-for-profit

and I loved podcasting, which
I got to do with PragerU,

I sold Brexit back to Turning
Point USA

because I also just couldn't
do that all.

Like I was having, after

getting married and being
pregnant,

I was like, I don't want to
do not-for-profit

and do a podcast and do
all of this stuff.

So it allowed me to focus
on podcasting,

which I just found
a knack for.

I really love conversing with
people and communicating.

And I've got my dream job,
so to speak right now

because I get to do
it for myself.

And you did that with
Brandon Tatum?

Is that the former police
officer?

Are you guys still tight?

You know, Brandon, I
always say is,

he's like a brother to me.

And I think it's that same
coming of age thing.

He was there.

Brandon, me, Charlie, doing
stuff together,

building something.

We obviously have very strong
disagreements

on Zionism and Israel and how
Charlie Kirk died.

And I need to be able to sit
down face to face with him,

which has been hard just because
we're on opposite sides

of the cut.

And we've spoken on the
phone a few times,

but like then he's got, I was
having a dinner and like,

you know, I have a very, very
strict policy about

when you have a real relationship
with somebody,

doing stuff for the public.

And there's a lot that I need
to talk to Brandon about.

You know, I need to try to
understand where he's at.

And I'm sure he feels
the same way.

Well, it's good to hear.

Yeah.

It's good to hear that somebody
can disagree with you

and still be friends.

Well, it was just a real
relationship, you know?

And like, you know, my family
loves Brandon.

Like, so it's,

you, I think you're less
of a person

when you allow politics to decide
who you're friends with.

And I have felt that test
real close to the fire

with the Kanye stuff, what
Daily Wire put me through

behind the scenes, wanting
me to like,

make a public statement
about him.

And I didn't do it.

And they took millions
away from me.

You know, they literally had
money on the table.

What do you mean?

It's actually one of the
funniest things

because the former CEO has

just been on like a
podcast tour,

just making up, like it's almost
fantasy stories about me,

but I guess no one wants to book
him unless he does it.

Jeremy Boring?

Yeah, it's been the most
pathetic thing.

I don't even reply anymore

because everyone in the comments
is just like you are.

I'll tell you, like some of my
favorite recent past times

are hearing the stories
of Jeremy Boring

and Daily Wire with a
baseball bat,

getting hair and makeup done.

That's all true.

Yeah.

Because he wasn't even
on camera, right?

No.

And he would get his hair and
makeup out every day.

Yeah, that is all 1000% true.

Any stories you hear
about him,

as loony as it sounds, it's
all very real.

He was a total nutcase.

It's like I was telling
you at breakfast

when I hear the story,

I don't wanna mention
anybody's names

because I don't wanna throw
anybody out of the bus,

but it sounds like the 90s movie,
"The Office Space."

It's like a sitcom.

Like identical.

It is a sitcom.

It's weird.

Like you look back on it and
you're just sort of,

and everyone will tell you.

I mean, they're just, this
is what he did.

He'd come in and have people
wash his hair plugs

and do his makeup and style
him to be the CEO,

just to go into his office
and be the CEO.

Everywhere I go, people are talking
about Jeremy Boring

and Ben Shapiro because suddenly,
right around Nashville,

there's all these unemployed

daily wire people running
around.

And they're fucking pissed.

Yeah, because it didn't
have to.

And they're talking a lot.

Yeah.

It's like.

Because it didn't have to be
like that, I think also.

And it's, he just ran
it like a cult.

It was very strange.

I mean, he's just not a real
person, I guess,

is the best way.

He's a character.

It's like a cartoon
character.

But one of the funniest re-imaginations
is like,

because no one wants
to book him,

he has nothing to talk about.

He has no talent.

He sort of does this thing
where he's just been like

on a year tour of my worst

regret is like hiring
Candace Owens.

And yeah, it's all he
can talk about.

I can't believe the shit they
pulled with Brett Cooper.

Oh yeah.

Like what was, how old was Brett
when she left there?

Like fucking.

21, 22?

Yeah.

Yeah.

You treat a 21 year old
woman, girl like that.

What the fuck is your
problem, man?

She wanted to leave.

How do you leave a cult?

We gotta destroy you
on the way out.

I mean, they would just fucking
torment her every day.

Every fucking day.

I hope, I'm assuming she
opened up to you

about what went on legally.

I mean.

Somebody did.

Jeremy did that personally.

I mean, he's vicious.

He's like, he's, you know,
closeted gay man.

And he is extraordinarily
vicious.

So to see him try to sort of
reintroduce himself.

When I hear the story about,

I don't know if it was the
day after you left

or when you got fired
or whatever.

And they had everybody come
out and they're like,

nobody fucking cheer.

And then they come out and
everybody cheers like,

shut up, stop cheer.

Yeah, no clapping.

I've heard this for
three now.

Everyone was like, it was
totally nutty.

But if you know Jeremy,
that's Jeremy.

He always has to build
a stage

and give a performance of everything,
including a firing.

Like it's like, it's totally,
it is a sitcom.

I think they ran around and
took everybody's phones

and shit too, maybe.

They made them keep their
phones at their desks.

And it was described to me

like an episode of Arrested
Development.

He like had the stylist
coming out

and like matching his shirt
to the lights.

It's totally wacky, but all
the stories are real.

This is how he ran
the company.

It was just right into the
ground, by the way.

I should add, but it's funny
to reflect on

because he's just, he's
so irrelevant now.

It doesn't even matter.

So we just kind of all
share stories

about this wacky person who
pretended to be a CEO

for a while, just desperately
wants to be famous.

And he'll, he doesn't
have it.

You know, you just don't have
it buddy, you know.

I love watching people that
treat people like that

just get fucking destroyed.

Destroyed.

Yeah, because you need
friends.

He'll never do anything
big ever again.

And he knows that.

Which is why his new show
on the road is.

Oh, he has a new show called
On the Road.

No, but basically he just books
media to talk about me.

It's bonkers.

And how I'm the worst decision
he ever made.

And obviously the public sees
that for what it is.

It's just pathetic.

And, but he reimagined
me too.

So he pretends he had, because
why are they gonna book him?

Like they, nobody wants
to book him.

And so he says, well,
you know,

Candace once told me a
secret, like a secret

that she would do anything
for money.

That's how he tried to launch
his podcast.

Saying that I told him I would
do anything for money.

And it's the literal
exact opposite

of what happened at the
Daily Wire.

It's like the exact opposite
experience you had for me.

When Kanye tweeted Def Con
3 or whatever,

I had nothing to do with it.

I wasn't there when
he tweeted it.

I wasn't with him.

But because I was friends
with him,

this was like the cancellation
of Kanye.

They were putting pressure
on me

to make a statement
about him.

And I didn't do it.

And I didn't want to do it.

And it led to a moment where
I was brought

into a conference room and
my husband was there.

And both of the co-CEOs, it was
Jeremy and Caleb Robinson,

who's a bit, he's more serious
of a person than Jeremy.

We're yelling in a conference
room,

like, why won't you just say
this and make it easy?

Don't you understand like the
pressure that it puts on Ben

and like his network of people
who feel threatened

to do this or whatever.

And I refused to do it.

I said, you know, I think you
guys reflect on this.

Most people see me as like
a formidable enemy,

but I'm a more formidable
friend.

I'm not going to step on his
head while he's drowning.

And so Jeremy basically
said, okay,

well, here's what we're
going to do.

We need to build trust
with you.

So I had signed a, I want to

say it was a seven year
contract.

I could go back and get the
exact specs of it.

And we were like two years
into the contract

or something like that.

And they shaved off like five
years of my contract.

I lost millions of guaranteed
dollars.

And they basically were like,

or you could just say a
statement about Kanye.

Didn't do it, took the
money back.

And so it was the exact opposite
experience you had with me

that I would not say things
for money.

And I have the whole, what's
so wacky is like,

I have the whole email chain.

It's like, this all happened
with lawyers.

They changed the contract,
the negotiations,

all of this stuff.

And I was penalized for
what Kanye said.

What Kanye tweeted cost me
millions of dollars.

And zero regrets.

That's not the person I am.

I won't say things for money.

I cannot be made to dance
for money.

And I think that frustrated
them,

that deeply frustrated them.

I have to believe what
I'm saying.

And so even if I get
things wrong,

and of course I get things wrong
because I'm a human,

I am never intentionally
lying

or telling people something

because somebody is funding
me to say it.

I genuinely was wrong about my
prior positions on Israel.

Or I was genuinely just
not educated.

And I was okay with it.

I genuinely had no idea what
was going on in Palestine.

The moment I became educated
about what was happening

when it became a hot
button issue.

And I was like, let me focus

and see what this is
actually about.

I picked the right side and I

spoke out and I said
something.

And again, ended up costing
me a job.

So like, I was making good
money at the Daily Wire.

I had no job that I was
jumping onto.

So to go around and say that

Candace will say anything
for money,

you literally fired me

because I wouldn't say
anything for money.

So it's really weird to sort
of see him try

to like rewrite who I am, but
it's also an effectual.

So he's just a cartoon
character.

Jeez.

What was it that eventually
did get you,

did you get fired or
did you quit?

I got fired.

The stage was built,
remember?

And it was a production.

They put together a video.

A video.

They put a fucking video to
get access to it.

Well, eventually Jeremy
posted it.

Cause I think he thought
people were gonna go,

wow, you're amazing.

It's out, it's on the
internet?

Yeah, you can watch it of
how he presented.

So all these fucking stories
that I've heard

about the day you got fired
in the presentation,

I can actually go watch it.

Yeah, I think Steven Crowder
released it or something.

I think it got released
somehow.

You know we're putting that
in your preview.

You have to.

I mean, it was totally, they played
like one of the reasons

they listed for my firing.

Cause it was basically a
thousand different ways

that you've been
anti-Semitic.

They, meaning the PR person
at Daily Wire,

told me to go on this show
that had a DJ

that just makes sound
effects.

And when me and the person were
speaking about Ben Shapiro,

a sound of a cash register
went off.

And they thought that
that was

like pre-planned
anti-Semitism.

The Kaching sound effect.

Oh wow.

One of the reasons
I got fired.

Are you serious?

A random show playing a Kaching
cash register sound.

I mean, the whole show,
but actually,

I think actually I was told
that it was a money

that came in actually.

Cause they have a live.

It's the Shopify sound.

Yeah, like it was like a live thing
where it's a live show.

So there's so many sounds,
they have a DJ.

I mean, I couldn't have told
you that this happened.

And the whole time there's a
cash register sound going,

but also the sound went off when
we were talking about Ben.

And so that was listed as a
reason for my firing.

How did they do it?

Did they come, did they?

It was just an email.

I was about to hit the stage
at Turning Point USA

cause I was on tour as I
always am with them.

And so I was juggling both
and I just got an email

and they listed, I think
it was like,

I want to say it was 30 pages

or it could have been
30 reasons.

And I actually laughed when
I was reading it

cause it was so crazy.

Like it was like so
far beyond

how they could interpret
it as a sound.

That only a person who
was in a sitcom

could have come up with this.

I was shocked they put
it in writing.

That was my, cause first
I was like,

whoa, what am I doing
five for?

And then as they started listing
the reasons that things,

like the first three pages
were Nick Fuentes.

It was just Nick Fuentes.

I've never spoken to
Nick Fuentes.

I spoke to him literally one
time prior to that.

You didn't even get
along, do you?

No, but they had a whole
conspiracy

that I was secretly working
with Nick Fuentes

and Tucker Carlson to bring
down the Daily Wire.

And they brought me into
the office

and questioned me about that
close to the end.

And I was like, I don't know

what you guys are talking
about.

Like there was a mental
unwellness

that was happening at
that company.

Was Tucker even independent
at that time?

He had just gone independent.

So I think this is what,

like they have a very severe
obsession with Tucker.

That was apparent to me when
I was the company.

Like, I mean, I don't
know what it is.

There's something
about Tucker

that Jeremy and Ben are very
obsessed with.

And I don't know if it's
because he's just cool.

There's an envy.

And they had convinced
themselves

that I was somehow working
behind the scenes

to bring down the Daily Wire
to go work for Tucker.

And that's because that's what
they did to Breitbart.

So they were accusing me

of what they had done to a
company prior, right?

They had quietly been
building Daily Wire.

They then created a scandal,

a fake scandal with Michelle
Fields.

And then they took
all of the,

all of Breitbart's subscribers
with them.

What was the fake scandal?

The Michelle Fields, like
Corey Lewandowski hit me

and I was bruised.

That whole scandal,
as I was told,

was thought up by Ben Shapiro
and his best friend

who was Michelle Fields' husband,
Jamie Weinstein,

to help them launch
Daily Wire.

So this is-- What a
fucking turd.

This is the story
of Big Beth.

Yeah, this is the story
of Beth.

You go around killing people

and then you're paranoid that someone's
trying to kill you.

I was eight months pregnant.

I'm a very loyal person,

even if you don't deserve
my loyalty.

If I'm working for
your company,

I'm working for your company.

I'm not trying to snipe you.

I'm not doing, it's just,
it's not my personality.

I'll just quit.

You know what I mean?

And they brought me
into an office

and questioned me about this
Tucker Carlson conspiracy.

And they asked me if I, they,
he told me explicitly

that they thought that I was
working with Nick Fuentes.

And I just was so confused.

I thought someone's gone--

How much time did you have
at the Daily Wire?

Left or--

How much, no, just
all together?

Was I there for three years,
I think, I think.

How long did this happen after
the Kanye incident

where they wanted you to--

It was the following, it was kind
of exactly a year later.

And so, but it was right after
October 7th is when

they got super wacky.

And I think they were wanting
me to kind of like

pledge allegiance to Israel
publicly.

And I just wasn't gonna
do that.

And so it became an issue.

They had financial pressure
because Jeremy was

doing Pendragon, which cost
them over $60 million.

The reports will not have been
completely inaccurate

of how much that passion
project of Jeremy's

harmed the company.

And he was just, there's only
way to describe him

is maniacal, anybody who
works at Daily Wire

will tell you that.

He was just utterly maniacal
and he's obsessive.

And so, yeah, they built
the state.

By the way, when I sat
down with them,

like a week prior to
them firing me,

and we had hashed things out
when they had said to me,

well, we thought you were
secretly plotting.

And I was like, this is
mental and wellness.

And I said, look, if post
October 7th,

things have changed, like I
obviously understand

this is Ben's a partner
of the company,

and you guys want
to separate,

let me and Ben talk to each
other like human beings.

I'm happy to do that.

I'm happy to do like, you
don't spend three years

to company and want things
to end badly.

So I presented Jeremy
with that option

of me just leaving
peacefully.

I was, we can figure out
how to unwind,

issue a nice statement, but Jeremy
has a flair for drama.

He has to build a stage,
he has to do it.

He has to make it over
the top.

And so they hatched this
remarkable plan

to Christ as king, is
antisemitic.

Did they really say that?

I mean, don't get offended,

but I always thought you kind
of manufactured that.

Oh no.

Andrew Clavin did a full
episode entitled

like Christ is King after we

announced that I was
separated.

And he just like completely
disparaged me for an hour,

Andrew Clavin.

And I was so shocked because
we had signed

a non-disparagement and their
lawyers came back

and were essentially like
jokes on you,

tricky contract clause.

We said that none of
the talent,

none of the employees would
disparage you,

but Andrew Clavin isn't
actually an employee,

he's a contractor.

So they had plotted to sign
this agreement,

we go all separate ways,

but then they were gonna
allow Andrew Clavin

to publicly say something
and then said,

I couldn't say anything back.

And, but it backfired because
they did this during Lent.

And people watched the episode
and went, what?

(laughing)

And so then, so this gets
even better.

So then it backfires, my hands
just tied behind my back,

I can't say anything,

but they still, because they
lost tens of thousands

of subscribers to Andrew
Clavin doing an episode

calling me anti-Semitic over
Christ is King,

they then sued me for them
attacking me.

So Jeremy, which is
really funny

because a couple of days ago,

he went on to Patrick
Bat-David and said,

we had the most subscribers
ever after Candace left.

You literally sued me and
I have the documents

of your sworn affidavit
saying the opposite.

The way he lies, he's
just maniacal,

you can't even make it up.

But he sued me and said
that they lost

tens of thousands of dollars,

I mean, tens of thousands
of subscribers,

literally that's what I said,

tens of thousands of

subscribers over the Christ
is King thing,

which caused their company
financial harm.

They sued me for their attack
on me backfiring.

Try to work that out.
Wow, wow.

And their evidence of why it
was actually my fault

was because I couldn't say anything
about Andrew Clavin,

but Jeremy then stalked my
likes on Twitter.

And people that were defending
me, I was liking the tweets.

He brought that into
court and said,

the likes are disparaging.

Does this shit hold up?

They ended up eventually,

let me tell you the blessing
of the way God works.

So we were being sued,

they wanted millions of
dollars for my likes,

literally my likes
on Twitter.

And so basically they were
gonna get every bit

that we agreed to walk away.

And I wanted them to pay me
out what was due.

And they were figured they'd
just claw it in court

because Jeremy's a homosexual
psychopath

and he will like focus
on that.

And they were like trying
to tell the judge

that likes amount to
disparagement.

And a blessing occurs.

You cannot make this up

because they are like cartoon
characters.

My lawyer gets a call

and I wanna say it was Labor
Day weekend.

It might've been what would
be before Labor Day.

I feel like it was sometime
in August,

but I feel like it was Labor
Day weekend.

And my lawyer on the case
was like in a bar.

He had had a couple of beers

and he said he comes out and
like Daily Wire's lawyer

calls him and he's like freaking
out on the phone.

And he's like, she pulled
her contract.

She pulled her contract and
you knew blah, blah.

And my lawyer is like, dude,
what are you talking about?

Like, you mean she pulled
her contract?

You guys fired her.

And he's like, you're gonna
pretend you don't know.

And my lawyer Rob was like,
what happened?

Like what did Candace do?

Like what happened?

And he's like, we're talking
about Brett.

So these geniuses thought that
I had something to do

with Brett pulling
her contract.

And they were the ones
who told me

Brett pulled her contract.

Oh, it was brilliant.

The whole thing was
just amazing.

So I had no idea that Brett
had done this obviously

because I had nothing
to do with it.

And she pulled her contract.

And then they, because they

were so in their conspiracy
mind,

thought I had something
to do with it.

Their lawyer then informed me

that Brett pulled her
contract.

And so that's how I found out

that Brett was leaving
the Daily Wire

from their own lawyer.

How long after you left
to Brett leave?

Brett, but she ended up,

it ended up saving me in this
court thing the first time.

They ended up suing me again
and then Brett again.

It was nonstop lawsuits
all the time.

But because Brett, it was such
a shock to everyone,

myself included, they then

suddenly had like a
two front war.

You know what I mean?

Like they're fighting
me in court.

And then suddenly like Jeremy
was gonna put Brett

in a torture chamber.

And they, I guess, decided
to just,

for the first lawsuit, we
decided to agree

and walk away, but then they
found another reason

to sue me again.

And that was because
I saw Red

when I saw them doing what
they did to me to Brett.

They were gonna, they tried
the same thing.

They were gonna go with
anti-Semitism.

Brett Cooper, I mean, this

girl does like pop culture
videos.

And, but it's tried and true.

So they started stalking her
likes and exact same thing,

getting their friends to
write articles,

like what's happening
to Brett Cooper?

She likes this tweet.

And I defended her.

And when he did the thing
with her best,

I did the thing with
her best friend

as a way to torture her.

That, cause that's what
that was.

That's how he is.

He's unwell.

But because it's like, you
don't leave my cult

and you're a piece of
property to me.

I'm going to make you suffer.

And he went to her wedding.

He went to Brett's wedding.

Knew Reagan was her
best friend.

Knew that Reagan was her
maid of honor

and thought through.

And here's what the most
f-ed up part.

And I apologize in advance
for me having absolutely

zero permission from Brett,

but we're already
on the show.

So I can't say anything.

I can't go backward.

Sometimes I feel like
I'm not on air.

And I kind of forget that all
this is going to be,

you know, that's kind of the
problem with podcasts

is sometimes you're just, I'm
just talking to you.

Sometimes you get a
little loose.

I'm just talking to you in
your living room now.

Yeah.

And this will be obviously
very viral,

but the most f-ed up
part of it,

and I actually think both of
the girls were victimized

by it, I want to be clear.

Like I don't like what
Reagan did,

but these were two young girls,
like, you know, young,

and they were best friends.

And there was just some maniacal
homosexual man doing this

because he wanted Brett to suffer
for just leaving a job.

Like, hey, I'm 22.

No matter what my reason is,

I should be able to
leave a job.

He offered Reagan more money
than he ever paid Brett.

Great business decision.

Worked out really well
for him.

An offer you can't refuse
sort of a thing,

which would have been
life changing.

So who knows what her life
pressures were,

or she, and this is me
being gracious,

because I'm not a
fan of that.

I don't like going girls.

I wouldn't have done it, I'll
tell you that for free,

but I'm built a little
different.

But you can see how that
kind of money

in front of someone who's just
like an associate producer,

and suddenly someone's like,

not only will I make you a
star, I'll do this,

and he did that for sport.

Because he wanted her to, and
it hurt her, by the way.

He was successful.

That was a relationship that
meant a lot to her.

And that's not something, this
is something you hear

like a deranged husband doing
to a wife after a divorce.

You know what I mean?

Like how will I make
her suffer,

and like using the kids
as a chip

in the middle of the divorce?

This isn't something you
hear about a CEO,

and a 22 year old girl who
wants to leave

because she wants to
have kids,

and he doesn't think it's
a good idea,

for you to have kids.

And so I stood up for her,

and then I got sued for standing
up for her publicly.

Zero regrets.

I actually, as we were approaching
the court date,

I told my lawyers, I'm not
gonna lie to the judge.

If they wanna know, did
I do an episode

defending Brett Cooper?

And I think he wanted some, every
time they had dinged me,

they wanted 300K for
every offense,

and I think for that episode,

they wanted a million dollars
for me defending Brett.

Or 300K for that episode.

I said I was just gonna
pay it,

and I said I would have hung
it up on the wall

and showed my kids, stand
up for something.

Money's just money.
Good for you.

And I would have said
to the judge,

yep, I consciously made, that
was the one time

where they were coming
after me

for something that could have
violated disparagement

because I was sickened by
what he did to her.

Good for you.

Yeah.

That's a real friend.

Money's on everything in life,
you know what I mean?

Yep.

She was so young, it's just
like, give it to me,

you know what I mean?

I felt so like, and I wasn't
actually close to Brett

at The Daily Wire, we
got close after

because of dealing with
lawsuits,

and he sued her over wearing
a blue shirt.

I mean, he's a total,

like someone said it so
perfectly online.

Why would the Israeli Wire
sue somebody

for wearing a blue, I mean,
the Daily Wire

sue somebody for wearing
a blue shirt?

There, well, it was
all about,

it's all about the suffering
of the lawsuit, right?

It's not about whether or
not they can win.

It's about knowing that she
doesn't have this money.

You're gonna sue her 100K, 300K
for wearing a blue shirt.

And so what happens, this really
gets you into the mind

of how Jeremy Boring works.

On her last day, they did
a joint announcement

that was really weird and
everyone could tell

that something more
was happening,

but they had agreed, whatever
the language is.

And so Jeremy did a like,
"Brett's been great."

And then it kind of cut to,

I remember watching and
being like,

"This is weird and obviously
your audience

can sniff it out in
four seconds.

They are growing with you, they
know you, they're here.

It's called the Brett
Cooper Show."

And they could sense that
something was coming

or whatever it was, but
on that day,

she wore a blue shirt,
is all I know.

Is that she wore a blue shirt
during that announcement.

And it turned out that
previously,

someone in the comments,

because I told you he
stalks comments,

that's his thing, he's a true
stalker in the comments,

had said, "Brett, if you're

under an NDA, wear a
blue shirt."

So he extrapolated from that,

that she must have intentionally
worn a blue shirt,

which is completely wacky
and untracked.

You're wearing a blue shirt,

if you're not wearing a blue
shirt three times a week,

like we're not talking about
a maroon shirt.

Like this is a white,
black, blue,

I feel like everyone wears
three times a week.

So then he found a
reason too,

because he never wants you
to leave, right?

So then you sue and then you're
behind the scenes

and you're fighting them,

because it's a way to hold
on to a relationship.

And so it's a legal form
of stalking.

And so I'm actually quite
passionate about it.

I hope that one day with
my platform,

I can get laws changed,

because it allows psychopathic
men to stalk women legally.

Because they go, "Well,
I have a contract

and I can interpret anything
as disparagement,

even a shirt, a like
on Twitter.

So I can now keep
you in court

and keep you tied to
me for years."

And that's what he did to me.

It never stopped.

As soon as it stopped,

he's now doing tours,
still talk.

So it's been a nonstop
stalk from him

and he did the same thing
to Brett.

So it's like, you can never
leave sort of a thing.

Holy shit.

But that's what there are laws
that need to be changed

about arbitration court.

Cause that's what arbitration
gives them

the comfort of doing.

He would have never brought that
lawsuit in a public court

because that would have
humiliated him.

And people would have read
and realized

that something's deranged
about him.

They realized that now,

just on the basis of the
amount of interviews

he's given about me,

that people are now going,

this is starting to feel
obsessive with Jeremy,

give him a stage and he'll
reveal himself.

So I don't mind him doing all
those interviews,

but to have to suffer that
in arbitration court

and to not be able to speak,

that is, laws have to change.

It's legal abuse. Who's
interviewing him?

I mean, what's the interest?

Me.

(laughs)

You're interviewing a failed
businessman.

I know.

Like the Israeli wire
is like,

Yeah.

And it's because of him.

They're buying views.

They're buying fucking views.

And it's because of him,

that investment in his childhood
dream, Pendragon.

He's not right in the head.

So with someone like that,

he just thinks he's gonna
build something.

I mean, it doesn't sound
like any of them

are right in the head

and they sure as fuck don't
learn any lessons.

I mean, they're trying
to get you

to speak out against Kanye

and then fast forward what,
a couple of years.

And now they're trying to
get Megyn Kelly

to speak out against you and
I think Tucker, right?

She's the internet mom
or something.

And it's so crazy because
it wasn't like

Megyn was platforming me.

That's what was so strange.

Their attacks against her was
especially psychotic

because they were just going,

hey, it's Tuesday,

we're gonna need you to make
a statement about

Can of Sones.

And she's like, wait, why do
I have to make a statement

about Can of Sones?

I don't know Can of Sones.

I don't like, I haven't
had her.

I think she literally had
me on her radio show

one time years ago when I was
at the Daily Wire

promoting The Greatest
Lie Ever Sold.

And then we met at the
Megyn Kelly show

and they just, they're
tribal.

So it's like, well, because
we said so.

Because we said so,

you need to say something
about Can of Sones.

And she's like, I'm not
gonna do that.

Cause that diminishes
me as a person.

That makes Megyn look weak.

That means she's not in the driver's
sheet of her own life.

And then they start applying
the pressure.

The mafia starts to come in

and they'll start putting
bots in your comments,

having people stalk you,

talking about you every
single day,

trying to ruin your
reputation,

having people email.

They even have like
email bots

where they can have 3000
fake emails,

go out and try to stop wherever
you're speaking.

Like, don't toast
this person,

she's Adolf Hitler and just creating
trouble in your life.

And you can see their new
fixation is Megyn Kelly.

3000 bots.

Yeah, at events that
I speak at,

I have to pre-tell people
that if you announce me

as a speaker, you're gonna
start getting

a bunch of emails and you're
gonna think

they're from real people
and they're not.

They're just bots.

And now that we can read
the faradox,

they're honest about the fact
that they control

these like Israeli bots in
the comment sections

on Instagram and on Facebook
to make people.

So the Israeli wire also has
an Israeli bot farm.

Well, I don't know if they
are orchestrating it,

but I know that they have their
accounts that they pay

and Seth Dillon helps
out with that,

with people that they pay or

just like stalk all
day online.

And it's all about creating
an illusion of pressure.

It's not real, obviously.

The majority of Americans don't
support what Israel's doing

and don't support Israel.

So they have to create
fake people.

And you can read the faradox
of the clockwork LLC

and it's totally insane.

They're just, they have, admitting
what they're doing.

Yeah, it really is something
to behold,

but that's what they're putting
Megyn Kelly through.

And she's proven to
be very tough.

And they're also angry at her
because she told the truth,

which surprised me
by the way,

and I have such a deep respect
for her over it.

She was one of the few people
who stood up

and told the truth about what
Charlie was going through

in the end, as all of his friends
lied about the pressure,

including his wife, about the
pressure he was under

by Israel, they lied.

And Megyn was one of the last
people to speak with him

on her show and he opened
up to her

and told her everything he
was going through

and she just told the truth,
that's it.

That was her crime.

Man, what a major miscalculation
of your own strength.

Wow, wow.

They just never fucking
learn over there.

I mean, they're gonna tank
that entire,

I mean, I don't think there's
any coming back from this,

but I mean, they're getting like
1.2,000 views a video.

It's fucking crazy.

Yeah.

I think it's a, I mean, are
you allowed to have any

like criticism of Israel
over there?

No, clearly not.

I said genocide is
always wrong.

And I was getting text messages
of people trying

to convince me that I had done
something truly crazy.

And I wasn't even talking
about Israel.

I was talking about
Brian Mass.

He wore an IDF uniform into
Congress and said,

I'm trying to remember, but
he basically said,

there's no such thing as an
innocent Palestinian.

And it was completely
genocidal.

And I saw a tweet from Yashar
Ali about it.

And I was in Madrid at the
time at a wedding

and I tweeted genocide, no
matter who it, you know,

genocide, no matter who it comes
from is always wrong.

And they wanted me
to apologize.

Apologize?

Apologize to who?

To understand how that
hurt Israel.

Cause people assumed that I
was referring to Israel.

And I was like, okay, let's
say I wasn't referring

to Israel, like genocide
is always wrong.

Actually applies all
the time,

but I was referring
specifically

to Brian Mass and they
tried to tell me

that it didn't matter that
Ben's friends thought

I was talking about Israel.

So basically if somebody
else has an idea,

I'm responsible for it.

Even when I believe exactly
what I tweeted,

genocide is always wrong.

I said what I meant.

I didn't know I had to say
in small print,

this tweet is obviously
referencing Brian Mass

who is trending right now for
wearing an IDF uniform.

Like the tweet is a
standalone tweet.

Genocide is always wrong.

Jeez.

I think it's just, they were
a little insecure

cause they were planning
a genocide.

Now we can see why that tweet
really aren't in your skin.

I mean, it looks like they're
planning another one.

Yeah.

You've seen this tweet
that came out,

I texted it to you on the way
here from breakfast.

This is the Israeli minister
of national security.

Have you read this shit?

Let me read it to you.

For every terror of an
Israeli mother,

a thousand Lebanese mothers
must weep.

All of Lebanon must burn.

With all due respect to
the Americans,

Israel must make it clear
to the entire world

that the blood of our sons
and the security

of our citizens are
not forfeit.

All of Lebanon must burn.

Our supreme duty is to protect
the citizens of Israel

and the soldiers of the IDF.

And this commitment takes
precedence

over every other
consideration.

I told the prime minister, even
in our private meetings,

for every terror of an
Israeli mother,

a thousand Lebanese
must weep.

Enough with the ping pong.

In the Middle East,
you don't win

with measured responses
and restraint.

You need to go berserk to obliterate,
to crush the terror.

Yeah.

Sounds like another genocide's
on the way.

Yeah, he's a total psychopath,
but they all are.

That's the point.

The government is being run
by psychopaths.

And I think people need
to realize

that what they are doing is
the Palestinians,

the Lebanese people, they
will do to us.

They will do to us.

They will torture your kids.

They don't care.

I mean, this is in the pocket
of the goyim.

All of that was a conspiracy until
we suddenly had access

to Jeffrey Epstein's email.

What does goy mean?

Cattle.

Nation cattle?

Just cattle, you know.

Yeah, so they are okay with you
so long as you realize--

Because they say it
means nation.

It does not mean nation.

They'll ask rock.

It means nation, really?

No, it means cattle.

And so they are--

A goy.

Yeah.

I've never heard anybody call
a fucking nation a goy.

Have you?

No, no, that's completely
made up.

And that is not even
something.

I'm surprised that's a
new updated thing

they're trying to lie about,
but they try

to make a history even from
five weeks ago.

I saw somebody, they tried
to correct.

I think I tweeted something
about it.

I asked Ro Khanna when
he was here.

I said, what's a goy, Ro?

And he didn't know.

Yeah, it's cattle.

So we told him.

And then that clip
went crazy.

Yeah, this is--

And everybody's telling me
that it means nation.

Oh, yeah.

Nation.

He's a good goy.

Yeah.

There will be a lot
of boy there.

There will be a lot of
nation there.

And we read the context
of his emails,

but also that's kind
of weird.

All of their literature,
it's not difficult

to find out what goy means.

It's cattle.

And their perspective
is to the extent

that they can get us to work
for them, we're fine.

And if we won't work
for them,

then we have to be
obliterated.

They like to do the
grok thing.

We're like, grok, what
does goy mean?

And it'll say, I don't know
what it says.

But then I'll just go
over to Claude.

And I'll ask Claude, what
does goy mean?

Yeah. And it's a derogatory
comment towards anybody

that's not Jewish.

Yes.

It's racist.

It's a fundamentally racist--

Racist against Christians.

It is.

And there's a real, I
mean, they're

raised to believe that their
life matters more.

So Ben Gavir, you have to

appreciate that he's
being honest.

Well, I mean, you can see it
all over his fucking face.

Yeah, he's being honest.

He thinks he's more important
than everybody.

That's their perspective.

Like that's what October
7th proved.

They have a right to commit
a genocide now,

even though they plotted
it October 7th.

And Bibi Netanyahu allowed
it to happen.

And all the evidence
shows that.

The whole point is that
they-- and they've

been doing this forever, these
false flag attacks.

This is the whole history of Israel,
is false flag attacks.

I mean, look at the
USS Liberty.

And they still deny
what they did,

deny in the face of overwhelming
evidence.

They believe it is their
birthright

to mass murder, steal,
kill, and rape,

take from people, destroy
heritage,

and then reintroduce themselves
in other societies

with all of this wealth
that they stole.

And say that it's because
they worked hard.

Yeah, they worked hard murdering
people and stealing

and running the Gulag
system and--

What's the Gulag system?

Russia, you know, the Bolshevik
Revolution, the Romanovs,

the diamonds that they stole
from the Romanov family

after they murdered them
in satanic ritual.

Those diamonds ended up in
New York, by the way.

Like, you know what you should
do in your spare time?

Look into Armand Hammer, you know,
Army Hammer, the actor.

Look into his family's
history.

Look into Julius Hammer.

Look into Armand Hammer, what
their family did

when they came over from the Pale
of Settlement in Russia.

Lenin's, quote unquote,
"favorite Jew,"

even though Lenin himself
was Jewish.

He took diamonds, established
the diamond district.

Well, who were they getting the
diamonds from in Russia?

I mean, they were mass
murdering Christians.

So this is-- Where do you
think is gonna happen?

They just destroyed all
of Palestine.

Do you think there was
no welfare?

No jewelry, no diamonds?

And you see, when you see the
Israeli settlers go in

and pillage, I mean, have you
seen these videos?

They just take their land.

That's how it's always been.

They just run in and they
take your land.

It's theirs, no.

Thugs, they're being trained
to do that.

Like cockroaches, like watching
cockroaches descend, truly.

And that's the only way you
can describe it

when you see the videos,
it's disgusting.

It's the most, and they
beat these people

and they take their land
and that's it.

It's all there is now.

Well, there's gonna be a big,

is there gonna be a big Trump
hotel there now?

Well, that was, Trump
himself tweeted.

The Trump resort, whatever
it was,

of like, this is what
Gaza could be.

It was the most despicable
thing I've ever seen.

You wonder who tweeted it

because Trump doesn't know
how to use AI.

He's not authoring his
own tweets.

It was absolutely tasteless,
but--

Did you see, what was
that thing

that he posted about him
being Jesus?

Who was, what was that?

Oh, he didn't know that--

Oh yeah, he didn't
fucking know.

He didn't know there was
fucking demons

in this guy either, right?

What do you, what was that?

Just more of the really gross
stuff that is--

Are they just mocking
Christians or what,

like, what is this?

Well, they hate Christians.

They're taught to hate
Christians.

They spit on our children.

You think Trump hates
Christians?

They train their children
to spit.

I don't think he loves us.

That's, he's the one
that posted it.

Yeah, I mean, Trump's never pretended
to be a Christian.

I think he's been pretty
open about the fact

that he certainly favors
Israel.

(laughs)

He's got a 99% approval
rating over it.

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

He will--

I think he's also said
several times

he doesn't think he's
going to heaven.

Yeah, I think he's kind
of made his bed.

I don't think he's going
to heaven either.

If it means anything, I don't
get to decide,

but I don't just object to be
looking at everything.

I just wouldn't, I wouldn't bet
on him in heaven either.

You want people to change,
you hope they change,

but it's kind of hard when
you just see

what's going on there
to imagine

that that's a ticket to
heaven, you know?

But he's allowing to happen.

It's like he's obsessed with
the earthly riches

and he's got such short
time to live,

you'd think that toward the,

you'd hope that toward the
end of your life,

you would want to right wrongs
and be a good person

because you know you're going
to meet your maker soon.

So that's one of the more
stunning things is like,

Trump's going to die
soon just

because he's going
to die soon.

He's in his 80s, that's
how it works.

Joe Biden's going
to die soon,

they're all going
to die soon.

So it's usually a good time
to not beget evil.

Try to get right with God,
I don't know.

Final stretch.

Try to sprint, you try to
sprint, last stretch.

And it's interesting to see Trump
sort of do the opposite.

And I just go, okay, that's
interesting.

Man.

I don't even wish any ill
toward Trump.

I don't have any anger.

I just, it's worse,
it's pity.

You don't have any anger?

I pity him.

I pity a man who has
relinquished

what was a real power.

People loved him, believed
in him,

thought that he could
change things.

I pity for earthly riches to
give that up, I don't know.

And that will be his legacy.

I always pity weak men.

I always pity weak men.

Because I just think

there is something so natural

in the way that God designed
it for men to lead,

for men to be strong, for men
to be forthright.

And so when you see men
that are weak,

it does draw from me frustration,
but also pity.

That's not what God designed
you to be.

I almost wish I had pity for
him, but I just don't.

Yeah.

He said, "How do you not,
he's a slave."

He said, "All this stuff
needs a slave."

Because he's a voluntary
slave.

He made the fucking decision.

He made the decision.

He was forced into it.

He's a greedy piece of shit.

He just wanted to be
president.

And he was short-sighted.

I think he's living in a
prison every day.

I fucking hope he is.

Yeah.

He's not loved, and that
matters to him.

And I don't know.

I just...

I don't think I'm angry
with him, no.

I think I'm just equal
parts disgusted.

I think it's pitiful.

That's what, I mean, when
you're going back

to the question you first
asked me,

what's it like having
the partner?

And I'm like, I even forgot.

That's how powerless
he's become.

It's not even something
I hold on to

a couple of weeks later.

Just poor Trump, you know?

Poor Trump.

Poor Trump.

Oh, man.

Have you heard about this
Peter Thiel shit?

What?

The secret society?

I got a hot question for you.

So we had Claude scrape
the internet

for the most viral question,
and here it is.

This week, a hacktivist leaked
the membership of Dialogue,

a secret invitation only

society Peter Thiel founded
in 2006

with a roster that reportedly

includes a sitting Treasury
secretary,

senators, and military and
intelligence officials.

So here's the question.

Have you looked into this at
all, and what's your take?

What's the group called?

Do they find out the name?

Dialogue.

Oh, it's called Dialogue?

I mean, my general instinct
on Peter Thiel is no.

His name is an anagram
for the reptile.

I just it's a no.

He appears in the Epstein
files

so much after lying
to Joe Rogan

and saying like, oh, I just something
with some math stuff.

It was weird.

The emails are weird.

It seems like they're like

meeting up for dalliances
and all

across New York City.

It's just weird.

It's very strange.

The emails and I just it's a

hard no, but also I
think I had my

opinion colored because Dave

Rubin told me about
how we partied

with him on his island.

He also has an island
by the way.

Who does Peter Thiel?

And Dave Rubin told me the

story that still lives
inside of me

and he'll deny it but Peter

Thiel will hear this
and know I'm

telling the truth because I

couldn't have known
it otherwise.

But him and his husband went to
Peter Thiel's Island, which

is in like off the coast
of Hawaii.

He just kind of bought
an island.

This is what you do at a

certain level and he has
his house on

it and he I guess got
to an age

where he realized
that like he

had somewhere to dump
as well.

So he decided to have
a kid, you

know, got a surrogate,
whatever

and he said it was
the weirdest

thing because once
his son was

born, they all were there on the
island and Peter Thiel is

building a house next
door for

the nannies to raise
the child.

And he said when they brought

the child around the
table at his

house, they basically the servants
were like presenting the

child and Peter was sort of like
looking at the child like,

yes, there he is or whatever

and it was like very
strange and

detached and that, you know, they
partied with Peter Thiel.

And I'll leave it at that.

But I had my opinions
about who

Peter Thiel is was
shaped about

by Dave Rubin.

It's not a guy that I want an

authority to make any
decisions

whatsoever.

That's a dark, dark,
dark future.

They just released a shit ton

of names that are in
this thing.

You seen this shit?

I think they did it while we
were sitting in here.

I just saw it on the
last break.

We'll put up.

We'll put the names up on screen
right now so everybody can

read them.

Here's a follow-up question

across everything you've
dug into

true crime, cults, criminal
networks.

What's the single most disturbing
thing you found that you

actually believe is real?

You come across some
dark shit, so.

Yeah, I mean the understanding
of the pedophilia that's all

real.

It's all real.

It's a cult worship and it

goes back to like they
believe in

sex magic and sex magic.

You could get into like Alistair
Crowley all that's real.

I mean he wrote books
about it.

It's not like they were
trying to hide it.

But these are the elites like
these were not these aren't

people that are at
the bottom.

It's why I find it hilarious and
people believe in the moon

landings.

I'm like, do you know the history
of the jet propulsion

labs and that it was created by
Alistair Crowley's acolyte?

A protege so to speak.

The they these people wrote
extensively about the sex

parties.

They were having that they thought
they could they were

summoning demons.

They were summoning demons.

I thought they could they were
summoning demons and they

harm children.

That is that is the world we
live in and I think that is

very disturbing to have to

contend with that and
the craziest

part is the people that
protect them.

Oh for money.

That's that's hard to know that
people I come up with in

politics will look the other
way for the right price.

Think about that.

Everyone who would have seen
was doing and then he was

protected and they knew they
went to prison.

Think about this shit
all the time.

It's so fascinating would be the
right word, but it's it's

interesting to see.

How old is people think that

they have amassed so
much power

but they really have
zero power.

The only fucking thing that they
can really do is introduce

a bill.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I mean when you when it
they can't even fucking say

what's on their mind.

Yeah, they're powerless.

They're fucking they're they're
they're they're controlled.

Mm-hmm.

I think that I mean I think

that's a way to a means
to control

people is to get them
into politics.

Yeah.

They control Congress.

There's no question about it.

They really think that they
have fucking power.

Well in many ways they find

people who are pedophiles
already

and then they empower them

give them churches give
them, you

know, I was like shocked

looking at the history
of the Calvary

Chapel Church when I was looking
into like Rob McCoy.

It's unbelievable how
many people like

are reformed whatever
and then

are not end up being reformed

at all.

It's it's a system.

It's for sure system and

that's not imagined and
you need to

wake up and realize that our world
is in fact being run by

pedophiles.

That's a fact.

And if the Epstein thing didn't
wake you up to the fact but

it's left and right, you're
still asleep.

If you think that
our troubles

in this country are
white versus

black, you're still asleep.

If you think it's gay versus straight,
you're still asleep.

If you think it's like, you

know, feminism versus
chauvinism,

you're still asleep.

We've got way bigger problems

and these are ancient
problems

that we have people that

worship and summon demons
and believe

in the occult and do it
in your face.

I believe Charlie's assassination
was an occult ritual.

Everything about it.

Yeah, everything about it.

And I believe the people
around

him are into dark demonic
stuff.

I mean when you told me at dinner
that he was assassinated

in the middle of a pentagram.

I was like, holy shit.

When someone sent me an old Freemason
Bible and it showed

how they believe that
you have

to be in a pentagram
to sacrifice

someone literally shows you

like there's a map
inside of the

Freemason Bible and I looked
at it and I said,

Charlie was sitting in
a pentagram.

Sorry, where did the Freemasons
come from?

Well, you know the history
of that.

Yeah, actually just read a

book for our book in
our book club

called The Secret History of
America by Nicholas Hager.

Really, really important read
an academic read but a very

challenge and one an important
one to get into the history

of Freemasonry and you I guess
Freemasonry in many ways,

obviously the traces it's
traces back.

It's biblical.

So you have to think about
different iterations.

So it's like Solomon's
Temple.

The masons of the temple is kind
of what they're hinting to

hinting at but in terms of like
the modern introduction to

Western society, it begins

with Francis Bacon and
Paris where

Paris seems to be the home of a
lot of the things that have

happened in these in these
secret societies.

It's like they go to Paris to
be initiated the same thing

for Sigmund Freud.

He said he studied
under Charco.

And he was similarly
initiated.

I don't think it's a coincidence
that Paris's code is 33.

You have to dial up to Paris.

It's 33.

It's one of the French
Revolution.

There's a lot that has happened
in Paris as a lot of evil

is taking place.

But the Freemason Society, I
mean this gets into the

infiltration of the Knights

Templar intentional
infiltration

by Adam Weissopt who was

funding the infiltration
of various

Freemason groups and bringing
them all together under the

Illuminati.

Our founding fathers were Freemasons
and the Nicholas

Hager book carefully
walks you

through even the symbolism on

the back of a one
dollar bill.

And to be clear, when they joined
the Illuminati, it was

after the Revolutionary War.

But they were always it was

always on in mind and
Adam Weissopt

wasn't open Satanist with using
Christianity as a shell to

further their satanic causes.

So you have to really go

backward to understand
the theology,

the infiltration, how the

Scottish Rite, which
is the Scottish

Rite of Freemasons, which had

everything to do with
establishing

America was really dating back
from France and the Catholic

Church having Jack
Demolay hung.

I think he was hung.

He was killed and
these groups

then went into Scotland
and you

can just that book just helps you
trace how these Freemason

groups arrived into America

and for them it was
seen as a new

Atlantis.

Okay, we keep getting caught

doing all this crazy
stuff across

the European continent.

It's always been a war against
the Catholic Church.

They're all explicit in their

hatred of the Catholic
Church,

which is very compelling
to me.

It's why do you think they're against
the Catholic so much?

Because the Catholics were calling
them what they were

Satanists.

I mean this the rewrite
of history.

Isabella of Spain.

She should be sainted.

They're constantly everything

you've learned about
Catholicism

and the history of Catholicism
is just crap in school.

And there's a reason for that

because America was
designed to

be anti-Catholic to be anti-Orthodox
and the reason is

because Catholics hold
the history.

They know what they were doing
on that continent.

America was supposed to be kept
fat, happy and young.

I truly believe that and now

America well, we were
fat, happy

and young for 250 years and now
we're arriving into our

adolescent phase and people

are starting to look
in the right

places.

It's why I encourage people
to go to Russia.

Russia holds the key to a lot
of secrets of these maniacal

psychopaths who have arrived

in America who say
well my great

father so and so went to Russia
got you clocks know exactly

who your great grandfather
must

have been in your blood
thirst.

The Bible says you will know
them by their fruits.

You do.

You do.

Do you have to imagine who Mark
Levin's ancestors were who

were in Russia?

No, I got a guess.

I'm going to guess they were

killing the shit out
of Bolsheviks

if I just had to guess.

I mean they were killing the

shit out of Christians
if I had

to guess.

I mean they must have
been running.

They must have built the
Gulag system.

There's a bloodlust that exists
in an anger that is just so

perceptible that that's
why you

say you will know them
by their

fruits.

It's the way they speak
about people.

There's a happiness in their

eyes when they're talking
about

like murder.

It's weird.

Sometimes when I watch clips
that will go viral of Ben

Shapiro or Mark Levin,
there's

something in their
like demeanor

and their eyes that is
it's so dark.

I mean, it's so dark where
you really go.

I think you are happy.

It makes you happy when kids
are being killed in Gaza.

Like there's something it's
very disturbing.

They're not having the same reaction
as we are having and

you see it in their tweets.

It's a it's they're hungry for
more death and destruction.

Oh, no, I've seen it.

I've seen it in person.

It's dark.

I've seen it here in
this room.

It's dark.

That can only come from worshipping
the fuck out of

and foaming at the mouth.

Yeah, that can only come from
the Prince of Darkness.

Because when spirits are light
and happy and you have a

reaction to seeing a dead kid
doesn't matter what the race

of the kid is doesn't matter what
the race of the kid is.

You don't get up on the
airways and go.

Oh, well, that's what
happens.

You're gonna get some
more of that.

Like what Ben Gavir
is saying.

There's something very wrong
with these people.

And so you don't have to imagine
who they are the children

of. And that's why you don't have
to get into the weeds on

it either. It's like, you know,
God gave you intuition, you

know, he gave you intuition
to know.

When somebody is spiritually disturbed
and that's putting

it mildly. Something about
post October 7th.

You can see the flicker of demonology
in their eyes now.

And the satisfaction they get
from knowing that they're

hurting other people.

I mean, we just read
that tweet.

Yeah. Honest.

There's a thousand more
just like it.

Honest.

From other people in powerful
positions over there.

Mm-hmm. There's just there's been
so many things that just

I mean, to me that prove how
bad the influence is like

sending that fucking pedophile
back to Israel.

You know, but you saw
that right?

He was on the cyber team or they're
one of the top guys

in their cyber security fucking
wing of the idea.

I don't know.

Whatever. Came here,
Loryn, what?

12 year olds or something
then

on the Internet to fuck them.

We didn't do anything to him.

We just packaged him up and
sent him back to Israel.

Where he can do that
freely by

the way, because they've been

harboring and protecting
pedophiles for a while.

We're just cattle to
him, right?

Because it gets into that Frankest
faith that actually

dominates the Frankest beginnings,
the Frankest origins of

Israel. That's that's
not Judaism.

The Star of David is not
the Star of David.

It's Solomon's keys.

Look up at Alistair Crowley's
book.

He's got the Star of David
all over it.

It's about summoning demons.

It's Baal worship.

And they don't want you to

peer to know the history
of that.

That's the reality.

So Star of David.

But people are waking up to

that and I think that's
why they

have a certain.

It's almost like they're under
pressure right now.

Like their lust for destruction
has never been louder.

They're not even they're like
shape-shifting.

I think it's the best
way to put it.

I feel like we're watching
people

who used to play human
shape-shift

into demons in real life.

What do you think about
all this UFO UAP?

Alien shit that's coming out all
of a sudden distraction.

Do you think it's a
distraction?

Yeah, or do you think it's a

narrative and they're
going to try

to pull a false flag
alien invasion?

I think the government has had
technology and has hidden

technology for a long time and
I think whenever they start

threatening to do disclosures

in a time where people
are waking

up about the ultimate

disclosure, which is who
rules over us.

It's a distraction.

Yeah, you've had a
lot of time

to give us this and now there

seems to be a real awakening
happening.

People talking about demons,

people talking about
the occult.

People talking about ball

worshippers and child
sacrifice and that's

a real threat.

That's personally what I think
all this UAP shit is.

I think it's all demonic
entities.

There are demonic entities
around us.

I also think it's interesting

how it is resurfaced
right in the

midst of the Epstein
shit, right

in the midst of Pam
Bondi saying

the Dow's at 50,000.

How many people do you have
coming after you?

How many death threats do you
get all day every day?

Do you take them seriously?

Yeah.

Yeah, we have a person in jail
for trying to kill me.

Yeah, I take them seriously

because I said I tried
to kill you

for talking about Jewish
history

talking about that Rabbi
Schneerson

tomb that Trump prayed over

and they all go into
Brooklyn and

pray over that guy.

You should look into
that guy.

What?

What tomb?

Yeah, you start talking about

the Habad Lubavitch
and they lose

their minds, the history of the
Habad Lubavitch, but if you

open up looking into Sigmund

Freud, if everyone listening
could

just read the assault
on truth

and the second book after you

read that is Sigmund
Freud and

the Jewish mystical
tradition.

You'll figure it out.

All right.

You'll figure it out.

I got you another present.

Hmm.

I got you another present.

What is it?

Here, let me grab it.

Actually love presents.

Me too.

Yeah.

Honestly, the gummies were
really good.

I've been such as so many

people coming after you,
you know, so

you familiar with six hour?

Yes, I am actually.

Good.

Yes.

So I got a buddy over there.

His name's Jason.

Okay, and Jason is the VP of
marketing over there.

He got really excited knowing
that you're coming on.

So I told him I thought a lot

of people are coming
after you.

So he wanted me to present
you with this.

That is so nice.

Jason.

Yes, that is so sweet.

I'll tell you they're
awesome too.

Six hour.

Like really good company
and yeah, the best.

We're just talking about
pedophiles earlier.

We did this big episode on

Roblox with this kid named
schlep and

he he unveiled what was going
on on Roblox.

We scream recorded the whole

thing and they were
using so the

developers were putting
six hours.

They have one game.

They've recreated the Sandy
Hook shooting.

They've recreated pretty much

all the mass shootings
and you

go and you go in there
and they

actually even have
the victims

that were killed in
the schools.

Over the characters heads and

you go in there as
the shooter

and kill these fucking kids.

No, and one of the weapons
they have is a SIG sour.

So we got it to SIG and SIG demanded
Roblox take all their

weapons out of the game.

Wow.

They're awesome.

So disturbing.

So disturbing that that
was even a thing.

I mean, they want your kids
one way or the other.

They want their minds and
it's we have to fight.

We have to be the generation

that fights back like
and we're

only going to fight back by

recognizing that it's
real conspiracy.

It's real.

So anyways, here you go.

This is the wow 365.

Thank you Jason over at SIG

sour with the new Romeo
X optic.

That's a SIG sour can

suppressor there so won't
be too loud.

Take 17 rounds plus one
in the pipe.

You pedophiles.

What's that?

Take out a few pedophiles
quietly quietly.

That'll do it.

Yeah, that's amazing.

Thank you so much.

You're welcome.

It's absolutely amazing.

You're welcome.

Maybe we can break that in on

the range before you
head out.

Yeah, there we go.

Right.

Yeah.

Oh, that's so kind as I mean
people are so kind.

No, I know.

Well, I mean people are
just amazing.

They've just been in
so many ways.

I mean, that's what that's
what keeps you going.

You have to reminded that
we're the majority.

Don't forget what Charlie
said, right?

There's always more slaves.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And so get into the go ahead.

I just I know I feel
the energy

of that then I feel like
it though.

They feel threatened.

How'd you get into the Catholicism
my husband?

He converted Catholicism.

He read they say read
theology.

We would say majored
in theology

in college and he went
in which

was a very big deal.

Obviously in England
decided to

convert to Catholicism
in his last

year of school after studying
theology.

And once we had our
kid, he was

really being pulled
back into the

church and spending a lot of time
there and really getting

involved and it was
sort of just

this another layer
of my husband

that I wanted to know.

I just I didn't get it.

I did not get it all.

And so as I am I decided
I wanted

to understand it and
it was sort

of this perfect storm
of where I

was at politically
reading about

Sigmund Freud and his deep hatred
for the Catholic Church.

I mean deep hatred for the

Catholic Church and basically
creating

modern psychology as a way to

counter the Catholic
Church to

replace the priests with

therapists, you know,
to disrupt that

system and I was going
wow every

time I read a book
it somehow is

telling me that the
Freemasons

were very anti-Catholic
and I'm not

looking for it.

Even that book I just
mentioned

to you tells you about
how they

were ever intentional about

making sure that the
New Atlantis

would not be Catholic.

So once I was awake to the

Freemasonic hatred and
the pedophile

protecting hatred toward the

Catholic Church and how
they plan to

infiltrate and break
her apart

from the inside and break
apart the

Catholic Empire that way.

I saw this sort of
big piece of

history really that I
was compelled

toward and there has
to be for

something to try to destroy
it that

bad for Satan to hate
it that bad.

It's because it represents
truth.

And so I am very compelled
toward

learning the Orthodox
tradition,

the Catholic tradition.

I am my mind is there.

I mean Russia was just
recently

went to Russia and I'm
just floored at

how much is there.

I mean I need to spend
time in

Russia to be able to
hold artifacts

that old.

I was I did an interview
with a guy.

His name is Nikita.

He's an incredible very
accomplished director.

Anyway, he I asked
him something

he had something in his
office and I

was like, oh how old is this?

And he sort of laughed.

He said older than America.

There's something about
that, you

know, I and I felt so
like a spiritual

thirst for more of Russia
like the

secrets like they've
just been sort

of waiting and they've
kept the

books and before they
were translated

and taken and I yeah,
I just I

really want to spend
more time in

Moscow.

You like it there loved it.

What misconceptions do we
have about Russia?

All of them all of them and

there's a search notice
a pattern that is

the Zionists really
hate Russia

although they'll tell
you that that's

where their family came
from right.

The pogroms that they and my

family left actually the
pogroms that

never happened you, you know,

assassinated a czar bizarre
and Alexander

second and it was a
Jewish plot.

I mean, there's no question
about

that and I mean, it's just
a remarkable

thing.

It's like no matter
what they do

that the victims it's
kind of this

thing and they did
end up a lot

of them coming to America
and then

obviously the satanic Romanov

ritual and a lot of
them came into

America.

But Russia if you have
an American

mindset about it, you
would think

it's dilapidated that
there's no

freedom highly impoverished
that

the people hate Vladimir
Putin.

I don't know.

That would be my general
sense

of what everybody thinks
and also

that they hate Americans
right that

I think everyone believes
couldn't

be more opposite could
not be I

mean, they absolutely
love Americans

absolutely love Americans.

They don't even understand
why

Americans think what they
think about

they are so confused by the

American the Western
perception if you

will about Russia unbelievably
safe.

I think I also thought
it would

maybe be back in my head
thought it

would be unsafe.

It was unbelievably
safe clean.

It really makes you
angry about

the fact that our men
are sacrificing

their lives and their
bodies in

the Middle East and they
come back to

the way our country
looks even

our capital city which
should be the

shiny example at least make
the city nice in DC.

You've got drug addicts
walking

around gay pride flags
people walking

around half naked tweaking
on the streets of DC.

Yeah, you're not Moscow.

It's an immaculate
city and the

history as someone who
loves history to

have gone to the monasteries
to see the old churches.

It stirs your soul beauty
stirs your soul.

And there's a reason
why whenever

commies who I believe
came to America

and that's what we're
dealing with

right now and they're
the ones that

are in power commies
in Zionism

are our brother and sister,
but they

seek to destroy history.

They seek to make it
so that people

don't aspire to beauty
because when

you don't see beauty, it's
reflected in your soul.

I mean in Catholicism
that is a

belief that you need
beauty, right?

It's beauty truth truth
and goodness.

These are the pillars
and when you

don't see beauty when
you don't have

truth and when you don't have

goodness a society
falls apart.

When you don't aim
toward those

transcendent transcendentals
in life.

When you walk around
and you see

these churches and the
relics and the

Intention it just the
beauty of

walking into a church
that has stood

there for that long.

It's there something
inside of you.

I felt inspired.

There's only way I could
describe it.

I wanted to know more.

I wanted to be smarter.

I wanted to work harder
and in America.

They want everyone to
sort of live

in nothingness like really
close to

your neighbor built in
flimsy homes.

Nothing is structured
anymore.

And there's a reason for that

because they don't want
you to think about

history. They don't want you
to think about permanence.

They want you to think
that you're

here and then you're
gone that you

have. Don't think about
ancestry.

Don't think about ancestry.

Don't think about living in

your dad's home when
you get older.

That's what we're drifting
toward.

We're drifting toward that

emptiness of the Bolshevik
Revolution when

they made them close
the churches

and they made the state
religion

atheism. America has
been under a

Bolshevik spell I think
for a long

time.

Yeah.

It does seem like there's an
awakening happening.

Well, how do you like being
independent?

I'm just the happiest person.

I could never go back
to working

for someone other than
my husband.

You are crushing that.

Thank you.

Congratulations.

Thank you and you know,
I owe it to

my team for believing
in me and even

when I'm sure they don't
believe in

me, you know, I'm sure
they've got

to have some questions.

The one thing we will
never agree

on in the control room
is the moon

landing. I got these guys who
need it to be true.

His name is Skylar.

Yeah, and one day I
will bring him

over to the dark side,
which is the

I'm like the moon length
didn't happen Skye.

Moon length didn't happen
Skye, but

he's like, no, no, I
think they did.

They did happen.

But we have a great
time and I it

is it really is a blessing
to be able

to work from home
and to be in

control of your own life
and to say what

you actually think without

consequence the threat
of you know, the

sort of Domicles above
your head

and having someone am
I going to be

in trouble and get
brought into

the CEO's office because
Ben didn't

like that. Like that's
I'm so glad

it's all removed from
my life and

that I landed on my feet in
large part in every part.

Thanks to my husband
and faith in

God really trusting
that I could

follow truth and say
something

that was good and right
and that he

would have my back
and he did.

Well, I'm really happy
for you.

Thank you.

And it's inspired a
lot of people.

So congratulations.

Thank you.

And I do also just
want to say I

would not be here without
the fans.

They I mean, they will
never know

the what that year was
like for me to

have people which they're
trying to

do to Megan, but it
was magnified.

I think because it
was kind of

early to the cancellation
party.

Just try to take everything
from your family.

I mean, they don't they don't
want you to just be fired.

They want you destroyed.

Yeah, like it's it's
it's so evil.

And if it wasn't for
my fans, the

people who signed up
who sent the

emails keep going were
with you.

You know, please don't
sell us out.

That's the other things.

They're so used to that.

They're so used to someone
just taking the money.

I wouldn't be here
without them.

The people who prayed
around the

world who pray every single
day around

the world for my safety
who write.

Write us and tell us
that they're

keeping us in their prayers,
which is

the most important part.

My family could not have gotten
through it without them.

And so I just feel
like I also

just need to say thank
you, especially

with the Charlie
assassination

because it was that
was definitely

the toughest few months of my

entire career was dealing
with that.

I mean, it still is
tough, but

I've now accepted that
he's not coming

back and I've accepted that
he was betrayed.

So it's easier now that I'm

contending with reality,
but those months

that followed I always
say to my team.

I make the joke.

I'm like, if I can
get through

the last two years and
I didn't end

up like shaving my
head and you

know, and going into a
loony bin, like

I'm telling you, like
I think I'm

the most emotionally
stable person

that I know because
I don't know

who else could have made
out of that

without losing their mind.

Yeah, you know, it was it was

it's been a tough tough
go, but my

husband was reminding
me we were

we were out for a run
the other day

because sometimes you get
the perspective.

I was saying to him
when we had

someone remember on our
team suffered

a seizure in Russia
and Russia

has been amazing and
taking care of

him who served this
country for 12

years and couldn't get
a freaking

appointment at the
VA and knew

something was wrong
and they told

him it was in his head and

here's some Xanax and
turns out it was

in his head, but it was a
massive brain clot.

Yeah, anyway, my husband
and I was

saying to him those
moments where

he thought he was
going to die

and you just I was sitting
here just

going really God, you know,
do we need to have a chat?

What's up?

Are we fighting?

What's going on and you get

those moments and George
just has the

best perspective and he just

reminded me about the
lessons of Job

and the biblical lessons
of Job

and having everything
taken away

from you and remembering
God's

perspective on that
like you don't

know what I contend
with and not

seeing why things are
happening not

being able to understand the

bigger picture and it's
so important

to always have that
perspective is

we are just as I always
say little

blips in an equation that we

don't understand and
at random times

in the equation God
puts a plus in

your life and then puts
a minus 5,

you know, he's like here's
plus one.

Here's minus 5.

Here's division.

Here's multiplication
and you're

going what on earth is
going on and

not meant to see the
sum of it but

occasionally I think
we're allowed

a glimpse into recognizing
in the

retrospect that when
he was doing

all those minuses, it
actually was

a plus, you know, you
get to look

back and go man, you really

wanted me out of the
Daily Wire like

yesterday and you did
it in the

most in the craziest
way but man,

were you looking out?

You know, and so it's,
you know,

thank God even for the
hardships.

Good for you.

Good for you.

All right.

Last question.

If you had three guests to

recommend for this show,
who would they be?

Phil Turney.

USS Liberty.

Okay.

Changed my life.

There's just something
about a

person who's held on to
something like

that their whole life
and felt

that they could never
move on because

of their brothers being
ruthlessly murdered.

That just you really see it.

How evil our government what

they're capable of, you
know, I would

definitely say Phil Turney.

I can I give you one
that I've

never had on my show,
but I feel like

you'll beat me to it.

Yeah, every year I try to
get Vladimir Putin.

I feel like it'll beat
me to it.

I feel like you got to just
like do something.

You got to get like
Kim Jong-un

like out of nowhere,
you know, love

together, right?

I feel like that's where
we're at.

Like we now need to know.

Like, let's say I'm
like, okay,

let me go find all the
people that

you're saying if if Jeffrey

Epstein is good and
Putin is evil.

I got to go figure out like
what's going on.

Really?

That would be fascinating
like

when Tucker went over and did

Putin, I was like seized
by it.

Yeah.

Give me like give me a Phil

Turney Kim Jong-un and
or Putin and

I'd like to see your wife.

She's been on her.

Has she?

Twice.

Okay.

I always got you got to do another
family member of yours.

I don't like putting my
family on display.

I know but it's you learn the

most about people when
you when

they speak to their family members
and that's why I love to

watch them those podcasts.

I'm like, oh,

suddenly the about Kanye.

They'd be great.

You think you would do it?

I do.

It's great.

Right on.

I do for Kanye.

I just want to go to see one
of his concerts.

So they look incredible.

But Kanye's expression
is music.

You got the when he
does the show.

That's his that's his medium,
you know.

You want to end this
with a prayer?

Absolutely.

All right, you lead it.

Oh, no, you have to lead
the prayer.

You lead it.

It's your episode.

Okay, I'll lead the prayer.

I never lead the prayer
in my house.

My granddad was always like if
there's a guy there they

always lead the prayer.

Okay, so this is I'll just do
just like how I kind of pray

and like I feel like I have to
incorporate you into it.

So I like whatever so they were
the father the son and the

Holy Spirit dear Lord.

We thank you for this
conversation.

We hope that people who are hearing
this conversation are

impacted.

There are a lot of
people that

are suffering in the
world and

it's difficult for us to contend
with why that is and why

that suffering is allowed
to happen.

But we always at first come
to you with gratitude and

recognizing that there was a

lot of goodness that
is working

at the same time that there

are so many people who
are waking

up and understanding what is

happening in this world
on your

time and in a timeline
that makes sense.

We pray for the children that
are suffering all across the

world. The people who are
in war-torn areas.

We pray that you protect them
and that you cover them the

people that are growing up without
parents without water

without food and that you
are with them.

We pray for the information

that you want us to
have we come

to you in gratitude for the platform
that you have given me

the platform that you have given
Sean Ryan a platform that

I don't think either of us would
have ever thought or think

that we deserve and we continue
to ask that you use these

platforms to do your will because
these are your platforms.

And these things can be taken
away from us in any moment.

We thank you for the health
of our family.

We thank you for the energy
to keep going.

We thank you for the people that
you have put in our lives

even the bad ones.

We pray especially for our enemies
and the people that seek

to do harm on us because only
you can move them and change

those people in the world
in your name.

We pray to Jesus in
Jesus Christ.

Amen.

The Jesus Christ.

Amen.

Beautiful.

Thank you Candace.

It was an honor.

Thank you so much.

It was an honor to be here.

I'm so I feel like I was last
and I was like man, maybe he

just doesn't like me.

I was allowed to do his show like
I was like I thought your

show was so cool.

Thank you like to
be on there.

Well, you made it.

I made it.

It was a fascinating
interview.

I've really enjoyed this.

There will be a lot of tears
on the Internet.

I guarantee you awesome.

All right.

I wish you the best of luck.

Thank you so much.

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